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From USA Today:

Steve Clevenger: How a catcher tweeted his way out of a major league career
Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY Sports 9:37 p.m. EDT September 23, 2016

The Seattle catcher is being criticized for a controversial tweet he made about the protesters in Charlotte. USA TODAY

The Seattle Mariners, absolutely livid over catcher Steve Clevenger’s racist and hurtful remarks spewed on Twitter, officially suspended him without pay Friday for the remainder of the season.

Unofficially, he will never again wear the Mariners’ uniform.

The only question now is whether he will ever play again in Major League Baseball. Would any team offer him a contract this winter and dare bring him to their spring-training camp?

Clevenger may indeed play again, but it’s not going to be in this country.

This isn’t a star player who committed an act of domestic violence. This isn’t a player who was busted for performance-enhancing drugs. This is a 30-year-old backup catcher, with a career .227 batting average, hanging on for dear life to his fading baseball career.

It’s over….

He actually sent out eight tweets on his private Twitter account – which has always required his permission for others to access – but only the two most offensive, blatantly racist ones, were picked up and widely disseminated.

“Black people beating whites when a thug got shot holding a gun by a black officer haha (expletive) cracks me up! Keep kneeling for the anthem!

“BLM (Black Lives Matter) is pathetic again! Obama you are pathetic once again! Everyone should be locked behind bars like animals!”

And now his employers want nothing to do with him again.

When the season ends, and it’s time for teams to offer contracts in November, he simply will be non-tendered, like hundreds of other players. …

Sure, we have freedom of speech in this country.

We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.

Meanwhile, Isaiah Crowell of the Cleveland Browns posted a rather disturbing image on Instagram just before all those cops were murdered in Dallas. From CBS in New York last June:

NFL Player Posts Instagram Photo Showing Police Officer’s Throat Getting Slit
July 11, 2016 6:30 PM

CLEVELAND (CBSNewYork) — An NFL player is apologizing for posting a graphic image on Instagram showing a man dressed in all black slitting the throat of a police officer.

Cleveland Browns running back Isaiah Crowell, 23, deleted the image he posted on Instagram showing blood gushing out of the officer’s neck. The image conjures up videos posted by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria showing the terrorist known as “Jihadi John” beheading American and British victims.

“Mood: They give polices all types of weapons and they continuously choose to kill us…(hashtag)Weak,” the caption read.

Screenshot 2016-09-24 23.59.35

Crowell apologized and donated one week’s salary to a Dallas cop charity. He was not suspended by his team or the league. He has started both Browns games so far this season, and had an 85 yard run last Sunday.

Why the difference in treatment?

Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is, although being good enough to start for Cleveland, which went 3-13 in 2015 and is 0-2 this year, isn’t the toughest hurdle to surmount in the NFL.

But, mostly, Clevenger is white.

Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:

Screenshot 2016-09-25 00.15.53

On the other hand, the Seattle Mariners will still sell you a replica Steve Clevenger jersey for $129.99:

Screenshot 2016-09-25 01.53.07

 
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  1. That throat-slitter looks like a terrorist and is wearing an Egyptian symbol, but he’s also wearing an American flag, which is confusing. Do black people wear ankhs? Is that a We Wuz Kangz thing?

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    no its an all against whitey thang
    , @Almost Missouri
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    E.g.,

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  2. I don’t see anything wrong with either of those tweets. I guess he does play for Seattle though, isn’t that SWPL ground zero?

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  3. As namby-pamby a post as I’ve ever read.

    We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.

    On the other hand, their message is viciously clear and straightforward, wouldn’t you say? — just fyi: “the Clevengers of the world” includes you, Mr Sailer.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The italicized quote makes clear how perfidious liberals are when it comes to "anti-discrimination laws".

    Its all about "who,whom"...
    , @bomag
    We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the world.

    Fixed it for the Progressives.
  4. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    He actually sent out eight tweets on his private Twitter account – which has always required his permission for others to access – but only the two most offensive, blatantly racist ones, were picked up and widely disseminated.

    That’s why Scott Adams officially supports Hillary. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145456082991/my-endorsement-for-president-of-the-united-states

    It is going to come out soon enough that the family lied to pump up their multi million settlement with the city.

    The wife knows he had a gun. They have the gun and a blunt with DNA. And it is seeming obvious that the problem is that the guy was strapped and also brain damaged. How the hell is a cop supposed to wonder if a suspect with a gun is not cooperating because he is brain damaged?

    If the cops knew he was brain damaged, then sure. Everything is obvious.

    Not to mention that he was a multiple time convicted felon and possession of the gun was a serious felony.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/22/report-charlottes-keith-scott-had-history-of-violence-including-arrest-for-shooting-at-police/

    I will say that the cops need to wise up and get their version out there first. When a family gets the public incited to riot, the facts no longer matter very much.

    I’m fine with the woman cop in Oklahoma getting charged with Man 1. And the two men with her were pussies, not just taking the guy down.

    Anyway, both situations, the cops were dealing with people that were unable to comply because they were mentally incapable ….. not race. And the notion that these were just ordinary people — one guy reading a book, the other with a little car trouble? Come on.

    The moral of these things is that the cops need to forget everything but social media, use their personal injury defense lawyers to bash the guys credibility as quickly as possible — either officially or leak it. We are in a new world.

    Of course, the chief needs to talk about the tragedy and pain, etc. But someone else can get the damaging shit out there early.

    The thing is, cops are killing 1000/year. 1/3 black or one a day. So every month or so they will have a bad shooting. Even without a racist bone in their body. It’s going to be $1 billion per year in ghetto lottery payouts. I suppose, so what … except that the families will start having their lawsuit prep done before the body is cold.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Not to mention that he was a multiple time convicted felon and possession of the gun was a serious felony."

    How come pro-gun control Liberals are not pointing out the fact that convicted felon Keith Scott should have never been able to purchase a gun in the first place?
  5. Racism against whites is perfectly acceptable in America. Unfortunately, Steve Clevenger’s life being ruined is yet another example. He’s didn’t call blacks “animals,” just the violent protesters.

    The article suggests he might be able to play overseas (Japan?). I sure hope so. I hope he’s saved enough to be comfortable, but he’ll absolutely have to get a job at some point. Who will hire him? What a nightmare for his family!

    The idea that we have free speech in America is a joke. The ruling class simply outsources punishment to the private sector.

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    • Replies: @conatus
    "The idea that we have free speech in America is a joke. The ruling class simply outsources punishment to the private sector."
    Great comment!
    Yeah in 1820 we were all unconcerned with the tyranny of being employed; 80% of us worked our 100 acres alone, where we looked away from the smoke from another person's chimney. We were unconcerned with how our words would be interpreted by the shibboleths of the day.
    We grew food and said what we wanted.
    Now 95% of us work for someone else and a lot of those organizations have HR departments full of self righteous employees who are on the prowl for offenders of Zeitgeist shibboleths in order to justify their HR jobs.
    , @EdwardM
    He's made around $2M in his career, so probably not quite set for life. I hope he lands somewhere. Many backup catchers find work as bullpen catchers and eventually coaches or managers. So, even if his playing career is winding down, he had a post-playing baseball career that this media hysteria has probably wrecked.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clevest01.shtml
  6. “racist and hurtful remarks spewed”… He must have known that ‘spewing’ remarks on Twitter was a bad move. If he’d ‘said’ them instead he’d be fine I reckon.

    I simply don’t know why the critics of BLM insist on spewing instead of saying, and writing screeds instead of articles.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Also, hateful rightwingers have to be fired for always "ranting," like Jason Richwine's Harvard Ph.D. dissertation.
  7. @eah
    As namby-pamby a post as I've ever read.

    We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.

    On the other hand, their message is viciously clear and straightforward, wouldn't you say? -- just fyi: "the Clevengers of the world" includes you, Mr Sailer.

    The italicized quote makes clear how perfidious liberals are when it comes to “anti-discrimination laws”.

    Its all about “who,whom”…

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  8. I’d buy his jersey.

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    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "I’d buy his jersey." Problem is that Steve Clevenger won't get much of any profit from jersey sales due to royalties and revenue sharing. I don't know what the MLB cba says, though. I'm not sure if it is the same with Kaepernick, but I don't think the $1 million he pledged "from jersey sales" will actually come from jersey sales. That isn't his call.
    , @Anonym
    And give up to 100% to the Mariners?
    , @Truth
    Well now, if you're over 25, and you make it a habit of paying $129 for the privilege of walking around with another dude's name on your back, you've already lost the battle, there, Cuckles...
  9. What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.

    “Land of the free and the home of the brave.” Haha, what a joke. These days our entire country is a joke.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    This sort of behavior by the media is why Trump will get elected. Via reddit.

    https://youtu.be/GdDcw9VMMic
    , @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.
     
    First of all, let me address the rather commonly made mistake that if a person's employer terminates him because he didn't like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person's First Amendment rights. It doesn't. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    But more importantly, the whole notion of "freedom of speech" is nonsensical and never has existed in fact. There are only 5 possibilities regarding who may say what at any given time.

    1. The powerful may say what they like. They are the strong.

    2. Also the cronies who suck up to the powerful may speak as the powerful wish them to. They are the sycophants, the "true believers," and the philistines.

    3. The strident and the inspired may too speak their minds, but they do so at their own risk. They are the unruly, the brash, the lunatics, and (occasionally) the heroes and prophets.

    4. The powerless must toe the official line and keep their opinions to themselves, if they dare to have any. They are "the common people" who have too much to lose to be brash but not enough strength to be a force in their own interest.

    5. The dreamers may believe in the mythical power of some ideal or document (e.g. the US Constitution) to force the powerful to cuck so that the powerless may exercise their "freedom of speech." They are the philosophical charlatans and bloody revolutionaries, Voltaire being one notable example.

    We are all involved in this pageant willy nilly---there is no other alternative. I don't think it requires any uncommon brilliance of synthesis to apply this filter to our current circumstances and come up with the following analysis. The criminal Obama regime (1) finds it expedient to tolerate the "speech" of the BLMers (2), while ordinary Americans (4) suffer the consequences. Donald Trump and the Alt-Right (3) are fighting back in the interests of (4), while idiots like Beck, Cruz, and Limbaugh (5) lose themselves in mystical meanderings about the Constitution and the universal brotherhood of man to be affected by free markets and "respect."

    Stated another way, the repeated calls by Barack Obama for ordinary (i.e. White) Americans to "listen" to Black Lives Matter is really just his way of saying that He Won, that we are now the weak, and that BLM has been sent to torture us for his pleasure and confirm us in our humiliation. The loathsome cadre of cuckservatives who actually make a show of such "listening" have utterly failed to protect us when we turned to them for help. The Alt-Right consists of the people who at least recognize this and are trying to do something about it. Donald Trump is our candidate.
  10. @Michael Rolls
    "racist and hurtful remarks spewed"... He must have known that 'spewing' remarks on Twitter was a bad move. If he'd 'said' them instead he'd be fine I reckon.

    I simply don't know why the critics of BLM insist on spewing instead of saying, and writing screeds instead of articles.

    Also, hateful rightwingers have to be fired for always “ranting,” like Jason Richwine’s Harvard Ph.D. dissertation.

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  11. We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.

    Doubtless this comes from someone who, in another context on another day, will wax lyrical about the horrific evils of McCarthyism and blacklisting.

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  12. but only the two most offensive, blatantly racist ones, were picked up and widely disseminated.

    “Black people beating whites when a thug got shot holding a gun by a black officer haha (expletive) cracks me up! Keep kneeling for the anthem!

    “BLM (Black Lives Matter) is pathetic again! Obama you are pathetic once again! Everyone should be locked behind bars like animals!”

    Why didn’t the reporter quote those two offensive, blatantly racist tweets?

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  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can't even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.

    "Land of the free and the home of the brave." Haha, what a joke. These days our entire country is a joke.

    This sort of behavior by the media is why Trump will get elected. Via reddit.

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    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    This level of monkey-brain emotionalism is why I only skim iSteve comments these days.
  14. And Sailer thinks we’re gonna get out of this by being really nice to the people who want us gone.

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    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    And Sailer thinks we’re gonna get out of this by being really nice to the people who want us gone.
     
    What do you recommend? Is it time to raise the black flag? That's a hard sell.

    I would guess Steve thinks reality and the repeated description thereof may carry the day. But if you have a better idea I'd love to read it.
  15. I’m glad this story is blowing up. It’s truly outrageous and it happened while Colin “Pig Cop Socks” Kaepernick continues with his America-hating circus. Trump’s gaining votes from this.

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  16. When you lose your career it’s always nice to have fat, cuck-faced sports writers like Bob Nightingale stand over you and gloat. If only Clevenger could corner him in the locker room.

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    • Replies: @Marty T
    He can't, but someone else could.

    Nightengale has been the chief proponent of blackballing Clevenger for telling the truth about Charlotte. He does it because there are no repercussions. Just like Cleveland didn't release Crowell because the Browns didn't fear repercussions. Are there cops or their family members going to Browns games still? If so, we have our problem.

    Until money is lost or bodies are blooded, the bullying will continue.
  17. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Racism against whites is perfectly acceptable in America. Unfortunately, Steve Clevenger's life being ruined is yet another example. He's didn't call blacks "animals," just the violent protesters.

    The article suggests he might be able to play overseas (Japan?). I sure hope so. I hope he's saved enough to be comfortable, but he'll absolutely have to get a job at some point. Who will hire him? What a nightmare for his family!

    The idea that we have free speech in America is a joke. The ruling class simply outsources punishment to the private sector.

    “The idea that we have free speech in America is a joke. The ruling class simply outsources punishment to the private sector.”
    Great comment!
    Yeah in 1820 we were all unconcerned with the tyranny of being employed; 80% of us worked our 100 acres alone, where we looked away from the smoke from another person’s chimney. We were unconcerned with how our words would be interpreted by the shibboleths of the day.
    We grew food and said what we wanted.
    Now 95% of us work for someone else and a lot of those organizations have HR departments full of self righteous employees who are on the prowl for offenders of Zeitgeist shibboleths in order to justify their HR jobs.

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  18. Steve Clevenger · Salary
    $516,500 USD (2016)

    Some nice money this guy tweeted (screwed) himself out of. Probably his peak earning year. It’s all downhill after this.
    He has only been in the majors and getting that major league salary since 2011, really 2012.

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    • Replies: @Ttjy
    He made 500,000 per year during his career. It looks like he made 2.5 million total according to fangraphs. I don't know if he had bonuses.
  19. In fairness to Clevenger, backup catchers are very valuable members of any baseball team and are not paid for their hitting, but for their other not inconsiderable skills. A backup catcher who can hit .227 and play his position well is a valuable commodity to any team that judges these matters solely from the standpoint of baseball. Mariner fans should know from this that their team has other priorities than winning.

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  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'd buy his jersey.

    “I’d buy his jersey.” Problem is that Steve Clevenger won’t get much of any profit from jersey sales due to royalties and revenue sharing. I don’t know what the MLB cba says, though. I’m not sure if it is the same with Kaepernick, but I don’t think the $1 million he pledged “from jersey sales” will actually come from jersey sales. That isn’t his call.

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  21. I don’t follow sports, and I know of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell only from their non-sports activity. Does “Steve Clevenger” rhyme with “Masked Avenger”? Maybe he has a vibrant future career in Mexican pro wrestling.

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    • Replies: @The Millennial Falcon
    Or maybe he joins Crowell in Cleveland as a masked vigilante hunting down evil cops. Clevenger = Cleveland Avenger.
  22. @guest
    That throat-slitter looks like a terrorist and is wearing an Egyptian symbol, but he's also wearing an American flag, which is confusing. Do black people wear ankhs? Is that a We Wuz Kangz thing?

    no its an all against whitey thang

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  23. I think he would have gotten away with tweeting if he had left off the “like animals”.

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    • Replies: @larry lurker
    I was about to post this comment close to verbatim before Ctrl+F-ing to see if anyone had made the same point. Great minds!

    Yeah, "like animals" made me wince a bit. Not a great idea to call for black people to be caged like animals- even if you're only talking about some of them!

    (Steve's point about the insane double standard still stands, of course.)
    , @Marty T
    Maybe, maybe not. But the "animals" part was, if anything, charitable. They should have all been shot, not locked up.
  24. Where is the conservative press in the country? They should be interviewing the guy.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The members of the conservative press are all out on vacation because September is Jackalope hunting season.
    In other words the conservative press does not exist. There are bloggers and magazines that are conservative, but what you see on the 6 o'clock news, or in newspapers is produced by left wingers. And that extends from your local throwaway weekly all the way to the top of the big city dailies and network news. Journalism schools are staffed by cultural Marxists who teach that the truth is whatever improves society, and the duty of the journalist is to push society in the correct direction by any means. Journalists who don't conform to that simply don't end up holding the microphones and firing questions at interviewees.
  25. Lesson of the day: Never point out the hypocrisy of the narrative if you are white. This is actually jaw dropping that someone got sacked for writing this. Free speech doesn’t exit if it means financial and career ruin for criticizing the narrative.

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  26. @Anonym
    This sort of behavior by the media is why Trump will get elected. Via reddit.

    https://youtu.be/GdDcw9VMMic

    This level of monkey-brain emotionalism is why I only skim iSteve comments these days.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Are you talking about the video or my comment?

    Of the former, maybe you have a point, though the video was powerful and I wanted to share it.

    If the latter, the two worst tweets are pedestrian. Clevenger expressed a valid political opinion. The media has really oversold the whole white shame thing, this is yet another example. People do not respond well to overselling. They do not respond to people who are not ok with them making up their own mind. The media have been doing both this last year and the desperation factor has kept ramping up. I don't think people will buy it. That's the long story.

    I've been commenting here longer than you have btw, and reading goes way back. I do back Trump and definitely get pissed at times, suffering from confirmation bias, and maybe I am exceptionally good at arguing for a position I've already decided on. OTOH my reasoning is not terrible. Only 1/3 of people now trust the media, it's stuff like this where everyone is expected to treat Kaepernick's kneeling like the second coming of MLK that has brought it to that low.
  27. I hate to say this, because I don’t want to seem like I’m blaming the victim, but I wish more white people would realize how stupid it is to say anything controversial on social media. It’s risky enough to anonymously post comments on friendly sites like this. We’re living in “occupied territory,” so to speak, and it’s time that we acknowledged the situation for what it is and behaved accordingly. Anyone who’s unwise enough leave his car unlocked with a hundred dollar bill lying on the seat is rightfully called a fool, so what do we call Steve Clevenger?

    And it’s not just what people say; it’s how they say it. I doubt Clevenger would have worded his opinions in such an inelegant manner if he were sitting in a restaurant within earshot of twenty five strangers, so it’s bizarre that he would express himself thusly on Twitter, in front of everybody. There is no such thing as a private group or tweet.

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    • Replies: @Skeptic
    Someone has to 'fall' for others to realize they're being attacked. Consider him an involuntary hero
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Good advice. Somebody in Steve Clevenger's circle is a traitor. But treachery is a feature in the realm of dishonesty. And make no mistake, our opponents consider dishonesty in service of their "greater good" a virtue.
  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can't even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.

    "Land of the free and the home of the brave." Haha, what a joke. These days our entire country is a joke.

    “What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.”

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today’s society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer…

    “Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is…”

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It’s about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That’s what conservatives harp about all the time–”freedom of association”.

    “Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:”

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    The Browns aren't keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue. The NFL wants to promote Black Lives Matter and other liberal causes. If a white NFL player did something similar he would be suspended.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    "It’s about performance, not race."

    You can't really believe that can you? Are you that f'n dense?
    , @slumber_j
    He faked a screenshot? Wow: Steve Sailer is even more industrious than I already thought!
    , @anon
    The screenshot you offered is fake.

    The screenshot he offered came directly from the article he linked to.
    , @anon
    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior.

    I actually see the screenshot you meant now, but you seem to have missed the point. Steve said the press wasn't talking about Crowell in regard to Clevenger. If you type it in your way, you'll find stories from this summer about Crowell, snd stories from now about Clevenger. You won't find anything in any professional media outlet comparing and contrasting the two.

    There are a couple of blog posts, such as from "Turtle Boy Sports", but they were put up recently, so even they might not have been there when he did the search.
    , @JerryC

    Strikingly, you wrong.
     
    Condesenscion, in ebonics. Quite a rhetorical breakthrough! Bravo.
  29. @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    The Browns aren’t keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue. The NFL wants to promote Black Lives Matter and other liberal causes. If a white NFL player did something similar he would be suspended.

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    • Replies: @Marty T
    The NFL showed its political hand by opposing a mild religious freedom bill in Georgia. It is an organization opposed to conservatives and conservatives should treat it as such.
    , @Corvinus
    "The Browns aren’t keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue."

    According to the Coalition 0f the Right Fringe groups. As I clearly stated, Crowell should have been suspended. He and his running mate, Duke Johnson, are being relied on to help ease in their rookie QB.
  30. “Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.”

    I typed in both their names in google under the news section, and I could not find any stories where a news outlet specifically pointed out that Crowell got stay on even though he posted something much more reprehensible and inflammatory than did Clevenger. It is striking how you interpreted Steve’s sentence the way you did.

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    Ok Perspective you were lying about looking it up. I found that link in less than 20 seconds.
    So what excuse do you have now?
  31. I don’t see anything racist or wrong with those tweets. Only way this antiwhite stuff stops is if whites start sticking together. Teammates need to speak up. Fans need to speak up and boycott. Stop reading or watching liberal sports writers and broadcasters.

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    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Pass on sports like football and baseball, watch hockey. The World Cup of Hockey is in Toronto right now and is a great alternative to the Jays-Yankees series. And Don Cherry can ridicule foreigners openly on TV and still keep his broadcasting gig.
  32. @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    “It’s about performance, not race.”

    You can’t really believe that can you? Are you that f’n dense?

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  33. Two sports figures post offensive tweets; one is essentially fired, the other not. Maybe if we could figure out the one characteristic that distinguishes case one from case two, we might be able to help future sports figures avoid the fate of figure one.

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    • Replies: @anon
    It is possible that the NFL players' union has negotiated different rules for discipline over outside behavior than MLB's. It would make sense, considering how outright criminal so many NFL players are.

    That would be an interesting thing to know, because at least that would be an explanation, but we'll never find out, because the people who are in a position to say aren't going to be comparing and contrasting these two cases.
  34. @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    He faked a screenshot? Wow: Steve Sailer is even more industrious than I already thought!

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  35. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    The screenshot you offered is fake.

    The screenshot he offered came directly from the article he linked to.

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  36. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Not like it does much good, but most of the comments on the USA Today article seem to be in agreement with the general iSteve take.

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  37. The reason for the difference in the treatment of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell is instantly apparent when one understands that the present secular religion in the United States is Negro worship. A new temple to Negroes and their suffering just opened in Washington DC. Any criticism of Negroes, unless it is somehow linked to white racism, constitutes blasphemy of the tribal gods and a violation of the tribal taboos. It doesn’t matter whether the blasphemy is a short Tweet or a well-documented article with lots of cross references (just ask John Derbyshire). The civil authority will take no action (yet); there will be no fine or imprisonment, but the blasphemer must be expelled from the society of believers–he must lose his job and face social ostracism.

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    • Replies: @YT Wurlitzer
    The current racial loyalty tests are right up there with witch hunts and the Red Scare. The court of public opinion is in session daily, constantly looking for more violators to make examples of.

    I think Clevenger was reacting to the same images I saw, particularly one of a white man who was on all fours. It was a very provocative image, which seems to have disappeared. Nonetheless, whites have triggers, too, and I think Clevenger's had been pulled when he made his unwise, but fair, statements. Obama is pathetic? The rioters were acting like animals? Whether you agree or not, those comments don't merit ostracism.

    Nightengale's account is sympathetic until he ends with, "We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place." But this is coercion, not freedom.

    I agree with workplace freedom; I don't think bakers should be required to bake for gays if they don't want to. (Find another bakery.) And I thought Kaepernick's employer should be free to tell him to protest on his own time. The racial difference in treatment of Clevenger is precisely because this isn't freedom. It's a mob mentality that is as old as witch hunts but now fueled by the connectivity of the internet.

    I called the looters, looters, but apparently that's racist, too. They are protesters no matter how much like animals they behave. The two white looters/animals arrested in Charlotte can be called anything you like, and I'd guess "white trash" the most popular. But blacks can no longer be characterized in any negative terms on pain of racism.
    , @Jefferson
    "The reason for the difference in the treatment of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell is instantly apparent when one understands that the present secular religion in the United States is Negro worship."

    Asians for example are definitely jealous that they don't get the same high level of worship from White Liberals that Negroes receive. That is why Sarah Silverman for example will make politically incorrect jokes about Asians, but she would never do the same to Blacks. Saturday Night Live will do Yellow Face but never Black Face.

    "new temple to Negroes and their suffering just opened in Washington DC.

    It's only a matter of time before the Left builds a museum in Washington DC that is dedicated to all of the of the "positive contributions" that Muslims supposedly gave to America. Realistically it starts with Muhammad Ali and ends with Muhammad Ali. But knowing them they will also include Steve Jobs because the Left owns the megaphone, so they will turn him into a Muslim just like they turned Alexander Hamilton into a Person Of Color from The Caribbean. Notice that the Left no longer refers to Alexander Hamilton as some dead White guy like they do with other White historical figures.
  38. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior.

    I actually see the screenshot you meant now, but you seem to have missed the point. Steve said the press wasn’t talking about Crowell in regard to Clevenger. If you type it in your way, you’ll find stories from this summer about Crowell, snd stories from now about Clevenger. You won’t find anything in any professional media outlet comparing and contrasting the two.

    There are a couple of blog posts, such as from “Turtle Boy Sports”, but they were put up recently, so even they might not have been there when he did the search.

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    Of course I didn't "fake a screenshot" as Corvinus claims.

    All the information for the Google Search I made is available on screen:

    - News -- i.e., not the entire Web, just what Google considers the News.

    -Latest Week

    - Both names within quotes.

    Right now, that search brings up 2 items: the VDARE version of my post and a CNET post from a few hours ago.
  39. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @The Alarmist
    Two sports figures post offensive tweets; one is essentially fired, the other not. Maybe if we could figure out the one characteristic that distinguishes case one from case two, we might be able to help future sports figures avoid the fate of figure one.

    It is possible that the NFL players’ union has negotiated different rules for discipline over outside behavior than MLB’s. It would make sense, considering how outright criminal so many NFL players are.

    That would be an interesting thing to know, because at least that would be an explanation, but we’ll never find out, because the people who are in a position to say aren’t going to be comparing and contrasting these two cases.

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  40. Paul Kersey at SBDL calls America an Open Air Prison for Whites. A true statement.

    But Clevenger’s firing is indicative of how MLB like the NFL does not care one whit about the White fans. Both leagues have as customers sponsors, and various cities that give them lucrative stadium deals. Not fan attendance. IF not a single fan attended either league, neither league would care much. Non attendance or viewership would not affect the major portion of their profitability. At least not for some time. Of course the people running both leagues are monumentally stupid.

    And more importantly, both leagues are run by people who buy into wholesale the SJW stuff. Goldman Sachs might pay off Clinton and Co. to keep doing business the shady way, but the dominance of the Managerial Elite (who in turn are deeply and completely feminized) means that pretty much every other institution is run by people STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE.

    The weakness of a female-led society is that witch-finding in the service of moral purity and status whoring (like a basket of Mean Girls) makes them too stupid to understand their whole belief system is BS. They actually believe. And they believe in good part because they get higher status by excluding people like Clevenger among the Mean Girls.

    Goldman is run by people who understand that if they don’t structure deals to avoid bank risk, they could still go under (say by guaranteeing a dictator’s loans instead of passing off the obligation to a sucker). This tends to make them cynical users but at least they have a clue to reality which if their interests ever align with yours makes them at least not dead weight.

    The MLB, and NFL leadership really believe. Like the deeply feminist women all around them.

    Compare/contrast Ike’s 1930s to 1941 US Army, and its treatment of Patton when it really needed him; to Clevenger.

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  41. Pardon the language, but fuck ‘em. To hell with the San Francisco 49ers, the Cleveland Browns, the Seattle Mariners, the NFL, the NCAA, ESPN, and all the rest.

    If you’re still watching their games, buying their tickets, purchasing their memorabilia, and subscribing to their channels, then you are part of the problem.

    Forget about getting back at them by voting for Trump. Do that, too, but most of all make sure you hit them in the wallet, because that’s where it hurts.

    You’re going to wake up one morning and wonder where your freedom of speech went (if you haven’t already). The answer, quite simply, is that you didn’t even sell it, which would have at least made limited sense in that you got money in exchange for it.

    No you lost your freedom of speech and PAID for the privilege of losing it.

    To hell with these assholes.

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    I just wish I watched sports in the first place so I could boycott them now.
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    @Wilkey
    Pardon the language, but fuck 'em. To hell with the San Francisco 49ers, the Cleveland Browns, the Seattle Mariners, the NFL, the NCAA, ESPN, and all the rest.

    If you're still watching their games, buying their tickets, purchasing their memorabilia, and subscribing to their channels, then you are part of the problem.

    Forget about getting back at them by voting for Trump. Do that, too, but most of all make sure you hit them in the wallet, because that's where it hurts.

    You're going to wake up one morning and wonder where your freedom of speech went (if you haven't already). The answer, quite simply, is that you didn't even sell it, which would have at least made limited sense in that you got money in exchange for it.

    No you lost your freedom of speech and PAID for the privilege of losing it.

    To hell with these assholes.

    I just wish I watched sports in the first place so I could boycott them now.

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  43. Steve, this was dealt with in Animal Farm a long time ago.

    Some are more equal than others.

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  44. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    I don't follow sports, and I know of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell only from their non-sports activity. Does "Steve Clevenger" rhyme with "Masked Avenger"? Maybe he has a vibrant future career in Mexican pro wrestling.

    Or maybe he joins Crowell in Cleveland as a masked vigilante hunting down evil cops. Clevenger = Cleveland Avenger.

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  45. Hopefully this starts to wake up the suburban dads who are full subscribers to “man cave masculinity” who seek refuge in professional and college sports and are the financial backbone of it. So many of these people try to ignore all the anti-white sentiment in society because all they care about is MUH TEAM and now it’s right in front of them, they can’t escape it. It’s crept into every facet of society unless you’re living off the grid. Deep down it has to be unsettling that their favorite sportsball team refuses to stand for the national anthem.

    Here’s hoping ratings and merchandise sales start slumping and anti-white athletes can no longer be guaranteed to be multimillionaires.

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  46. @Corvinus
    "What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined."

    Freedom of speech in our country has ALWAYS had consequences, whether it be positive or negative. It just happens to be that in today's society the stakes are higher when speaking out.

    Now, Mr. Sailer...

    "Crowell is somewhat better at his job than Clevenger is..."

    Exactly why Crowell, in part, is not suspended by the Browns. It's about performance, not race.
    But, yes, the Browns and Roger Goodell dropped the ball on this one in NOT suspending Crowell.

    However, I thought privately owned businesses have the liberty to make their own decisions regarding who they suspend for conduct they deemed detrimental to the team. That's what conservatives harp about all the time--"freedom of association".

    "Strikingly, nobody in the press seems to remember the Isaiah Crowell example in regard to the current Steve Clevenger brouhaha:"

    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake.

    Strikingly, you wrong.

    Condesenscion, in ebonics. Quite a rhetorical breakthrough! Bravo.

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    Can someone start a gofundme for this honest man and his family?

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    I happened to be watching that game yesterday and the TV crew helpfully gave us a rundown of the protest at halftime, since pregame festivities typically are not televised.

    I found the whole spectacle to be very unnerving. You had a huge American flag unfurled on the field and a bunch of whites standing up hand over heart next to a big section of black students (with a few white SJWs mixed in) giving the black power salute. Truly two separate nations. One wonders how long the fiction that we're one nation can be maintained, and what happens after that. Very sobering.
    , @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I caught the last several possessions of the UNC/Pitt game yesterday. I thought the announcers and the refs were siding with UNC. Reading about that anthem thing, it all makes sense.

    Ironically I've been on a boycot of NCAA sport bc of how they punished the state NC for their legislation regarding trannies. And of course the NFL, too.
  49. @Steve Richter
    Where is the conservative press in the country? They should be interviewing the guy.

    The members of the conservative press are all out on vacation because September is Jackalope hunting season.
    In other words the conservative press does not exist. There are bloggers and magazines that are conservative, but what you see on the 6 o’clock news, or in newspapers is produced by left wingers. And that extends from your local throwaway weekly all the way to the top of the big city dailies and network news. Journalism schools are staffed by cultural Marxists who teach that the truth is whatever improves society, and the duty of the journalist is to push society in the correct direction by any means. Journalists who don’t conform to that simply don’t end up holding the microphones and firing questions at interviewees.

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  50. @Desiderius
    http://abc11.com/sports/students-protest-national-anthem-at-unc-football-game/1525352/

    Heil Soros!

    I happened to be watching that game yesterday and the TV crew helpfully gave us a rundown of the protest at halftime, since pregame festivities typically are not televised.

    I found the whole spectacle to be very unnerving. You had a huge American flag unfurled on the field and a bunch of whites standing up hand over heart next to a big section of black students (with a few white SJWs mixed in) giving the black power salute. Truly two separate nations. One wonders how long the fiction that we’re one nation can be maintained, and what happens after that. Very sobering.

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  51. @JohnnyWalker123
    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can't even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.

    "Land of the free and the home of the brave." Haha, what a joke. These days our entire country is a joke.

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.

    First of all, let me address the rather commonly made mistake that if a person’s employer terminates him because he didn’t like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person’s First Amendment rights. It doesn’t. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    But more importantly, the whole notion of “freedom of speech” is nonsensical and never has existed in fact. There are only 5 possibilities regarding who may say what at any given time.

    1. The powerful may say what they like. They are the strong.

    2. Also the cronies who suck up to the powerful may speak as the powerful wish them to. They are the sycophants, the “true believers,” and the philistines.

    3. The strident and the inspired may too speak their minds, but they do so at their own risk. They are the unruly, the brash, the lunatics, and (occasionally) the heroes and prophets.

    4. The powerless must toe the official line and keep their opinions to themselves, if they dare to have any. They are “the common people” who have too much to lose to be brash but not enough strength to be a force in their own interest.

    5. The dreamers may believe in the mythical power of some ideal or document (e.g. the US Constitution) to force the powerful to cuck so that the powerless may exercise their “freedom of speech.” They are the philosophical charlatans and bloody revolutionaries, Voltaire being one notable example.

    We are all involved in this pageant willy nilly—there is no other alternative. I don’t think it requires any uncommon brilliance of synthesis to apply this filter to our current circumstances and come up with the following analysis. The criminal Obama regime (1) finds it expedient to tolerate the “speech” of the BLMers (2), while ordinary Americans (4) suffer the consequences. Donald Trump and the Alt-Right (3) are fighting back in the interests of (4), while idiots like Beck, Cruz, and Limbaugh (5) lose themselves in mystical meanderings about the Constitution and the universal brotherhood of man to be affected by free markets and “respect.”

    Stated another way, the repeated calls by Barack Obama for ordinary (i.e. White) Americans to “listen” to Black Lives Matter is really just his way of saying that He Won, that we are now the weak, and that BLM has been sent to torture us for his pleasure and confirm us in our humiliation. The loathsome cadre of cuckservatives who actually make a show of such “listening” have utterly failed to protect us when we turned to them for help. The Alt-Right consists of the people who at least recognize this and are trying to do something about it. Donald Trump is our candidate.

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    • Replies: @Hacienda
    I agree 100% with all you said except point 5 and the last line. There is freedom of speech. But freedom of speech is variant with location, possibility, technologies of expression, means of control, and possibilities of freedom of thought. Freedom of thought is created and limited at a very early age and is actually not under governmental or human control. It's under the control of culture. The thing Nietzsche rightly identified as the only thing that matters- to a country or ethnic group. You know, a relatable entity.

    That the mega-races are beyond culture, that blacks emote/think differently from Eurasians and Eurasians emote/think differently from each other should be an easy observation, but the absurd universalism of idiots (which includes some of the best scientists) and the conditioned faith that the West holds a monopoly on free expression creates the current political situation. It's idiots vs idiots all the way down, all the way up. This can't last.
    , @bomag

    ...the rather commonly made mistake that if a person’s employer terminates him because he didn’t like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person’s First Amendment rights. It doesn’t. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.
     
    Under the pretense of preserving basic rights, Congress has passed a multitude of civil rights and anti-discrimination laws that regulate these situations. If you fired someone for speaking in favor of Gay marriage, the courts would (figuratively) hang you for various civil rights and unfair discrimination claims. If you appealed to SCOTUS, John Roberts would tell you that the commerce clause lets Congress regulate all business, and thus all the human activity that the SJWs want to cram down your throat.
    , @Bill
    That's fantastic stuff.

    I'd caveat 4 a bit. Like the song says, "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." So, the totally powerless are also totally free. What will the state threaten the guy living under the bridge with? What will the state threaten the already habitually imprisoned with? What will it threaten hopeless meth-heads with? What will it threaten Wendy's employees with?

    This puts an important limitation on the state's actions. It can't immiserate the people in 4 too much---it must preserve a gradient between what they have now and what they will have if they fail to conform.
  52. @Cryptogenic
    This level of monkey-brain emotionalism is why I only skim iSteve comments these days.

    Are you talking about the video or my comment?

    Of the former, maybe you have a point, though the video was powerful and I wanted to share it.

    If the latter, the two worst tweets are pedestrian. Clevenger expressed a valid political opinion. The media has really oversold the whole white shame thing, this is yet another example. People do not respond well to overselling. They do not respond to people who are not ok with them making up their own mind. The media have been doing both this last year and the desperation factor has kept ramping up. I don’t think people will buy it. That’s the long story.

    I’ve been commenting here longer than you have btw, and reading goes way back. I do back Trump and definitely get pissed at times, suffering from confirmation bias, and maybe I am exceptionally good at arguing for a position I’ve already decided on. OTOH my reasoning is not terrible. Only 1/3 of people now trust the media, it’s stuff like this where everyone is expected to treat Kaepernick’s kneeling like the second coming of MLK that has brought it to that low.

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  53. @sean c
    I don't see anything racist or wrong with those tweets. Only way this antiwhite stuff stops is if whites start sticking together. Teammates need to speak up. Fans need to speak up and boycott. Stop reading or watching liberal sports writers and broadcasters.

    Pass on sports like football and baseball, watch hockey. The World Cup of Hockey is in Toronto right now and is a great alternative to the Jays-Yankees series. And Don Cherry can ridicule foreigners openly on TV and still keep his broadcasting gig.

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    Thanks for the link -- I do read Wolf, but not as often as before -- per the results, I'm one of those who seldom (if ever?) comments on financial sites -- in part because I really don't know what to say anymore: imo the markets have been thoroughly corrupted by the Fed, and are no longer actionable.
  55. The Marlins’ star pitcher, Jose Fernandez – a Cuban emigre (or exile, if you prefer) – suffered a major career setback when he died in a boating accident in the wee hours of this morning. The Coast Guard found his wrecked boat turned upside-down on a jetty near the entrance to the Miami harbor, with two bodies underneath and another body floating in the water. It seems that they (Fernandez and two of his buddies) hit the rocks at full speed, in total darkness.

    The iSteve-ish angle is that the team recently sponsored his grandmother’s immigration to the United States. She’s been his unofficial cheerleader – they even made her a jersey with “Abuela” on the back.

    The creepy Final Destination-ish irony is that, years ago, when Fernandez and his mother were on the boat from Cuba to Miami, she fell overboard. He jumped into the water and pulled her to safety. One wonders whether, in her overwhelming grief and sorrow, she ponders the possibility that he gave his life for hers.

    But, yeah, they were reckless and careless. They were experienced boaters who knew the area well, so they should have known when to slow down.

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    "They were experienced boaters who knew the area well, so they should have known when to slow down."

    I live in Miami (well...Coral Gables), spend a lot of time on the water here and have been in and out Government Cut many times.

    The jetty they hit is 5-6' high, extends maybe 1/4 mile from the beach, is made of huge boulders, and has been there for decades. The one they hit creates the northern boundary of the main shipping channel where it runs between Miami Beach and Fisher Island.

    There is an identical jetty on the south edge of the channel. The channel runs approximately southeast/northwest until offshore, when it bends to the east. Because the channel is the one that cruise ships, freighters, USCG cutters, etc use it is extremely well marked and well lit, however the jetty itself is not.

    I do not understand how someone even marginally familiar with the waters down here could run into that jetty. Everybody in S. Florida knows its there. The weather was not good that night so that may have contributed. Running south as they were, the channel marker lights would blend in easily with the lights of Key Biscayne (almost directly in their path a few miles ahead) or other ground lights of Coconut Grove, Coral Gables, and other towns extending south towards the Keys. Still...even if its pitch black and raining, everybody knows you have to get well offshore as you approach the south end of Miami Beach because...there's a big jetty there. It would similar to somebody that takes a bridge across a river regularly just deciding one day to take the direct route and driving into the river.

    Fernandez was an amazing talent and while he acted like a clown when younger, had grown up nicely and was by all accounts a hell of a guy and well-respected by opposing players. I'm a Nationals fan, his last appearance was a dominant effort vs. the Nats and I'm happy to say I watched it.
  56. I love how employers are forbidden from discriminating against their employees for a long list of things, but certain speech isn’t on it. Maybe the baseball player should have sandwiched his tweet between two other tweets discussing his ongoing conversion to Islam and gender reassignment therapy.

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  57. @Desiderius
    http://abc11.com/sports/students-protest-national-anthem-at-unc-football-game/1525352/

    Heil Soros!

    I caught the last several possessions of the UNC/Pitt game yesterday. I thought the announcers and the refs were siding with UNC. Reading about that anthem thing, it all makes sense.

    Ironically I’ve been on a boycot of NCAA sport bc of how they punished the state NC for their legislation regarding trannies. And of course the NFL, too.

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    While its disgusting that the NCAA boycotted North Carolina, it's going to be almost impossible for conservatives to completely stop watching college sports. This is one instance where we need proactivity from our elected leaders - conservatives need to support investigations of the NCAA's tax exempt status if they don't quit with the leftist BS.
  58. @Diversity Heretic
    The reason for the difference in the treatment of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell is instantly apparent when one understands that the present secular religion in the United States is Negro worship. A new temple to Negroes and their suffering just opened in Washington DC. Any criticism of Negroes, unless it is somehow linked to white racism, constitutes blasphemy of the tribal gods and a violation of the tribal taboos. It doesn't matter whether the blasphemy is a short Tweet or a well-documented article with lots of cross references (just ask John Derbyshire). The civil authority will take no action (yet); there will be no fine or imprisonment, but the blasphemer must be expelled from the society of believers--he must lose his job and face social ostracism.

    The current racial loyalty tests are right up there with witch hunts and the Red Scare. The court of public opinion is in session daily, constantly looking for more violators to make examples of.

    I think Clevenger was reacting to the same images I saw, particularly one of a white man who was on all fours. It was a very provocative image, which seems to have disappeared. Nonetheless, whites have triggers, too, and I think Clevenger’s had been pulled when he made his unwise, but fair, statements. Obama is pathetic? The rioters were acting like animals? Whether you agree or not, those comments don’t merit ostracism.

    Nightengale’s account is sympathetic until he ends with, “We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.” But this is coercion, not freedom.

    I agree with workplace freedom; I don’t think bakers should be required to bake for gays if they don’t want to. (Find another bakery.) And I thought Kaepernick’s employer should be free to tell him to protest on his own time. The racial difference in treatment of Clevenger is precisely because this isn’t freedom. It’s a mob mentality that is as old as witch hunts but now fueled by the connectivity of the internet.

    I called the looters, looters, but apparently that’s racist, too. They are protesters no matter how much like animals they behave. The two white looters/animals arrested in Charlotte can be called anything you like, and I’d guess “white trash” the most popular. But blacks can no longer be characterized in any negative terms on pain of racism.

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  59. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Racism against whites is perfectly acceptable in America. Unfortunately, Steve Clevenger's life being ruined is yet another example. He's didn't call blacks "animals," just the violent protesters.

    The article suggests he might be able to play overseas (Japan?). I sure hope so. I hope he's saved enough to be comfortable, but he'll absolutely have to get a job at some point. Who will hire him? What a nightmare for his family!

    The idea that we have free speech in America is a joke. The ruling class simply outsources punishment to the private sector.

    He’s made around $2M in his career, so probably not quite set for life. I hope he lands somewhere. Many backup catchers find work as bullpen catchers and eventually coaches or managers. So, even if his playing career is winding down, he had a post-playing baseball career that this media hysteria has probably wrecked.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clevest01.shtml

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    Isn't college baseball really conservative? Gotta think some red state team would offer him a coaching spot. Of course if Nightengale finds out, he'll throw a fit...which is why until there are consequences for anti-whites like Clevenger, the bullying will continue.
  60. @Clyde

    Steve Clevenger · Salary
    $516,500 USD (2016)
     
    Some nice money this guy tweeted (screwed) himself out of. Probably his peak earning year. It's all downhill after this.
    He has only been in the majors and getting that major league salary since 2011, really 2012.

    He made 500,000 per year during his career. It looks like he made 2.5 million total according to fangraphs. I don’t know if he had bonuses.

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  61. The idea of a “principle” is too abstract for many black people, which is why blacks – as a population - are problematic in a free and open society. Many blacks don’t understand that a principle works for you at times, and against you (on the behalf of others) at other times. For blacks, everything and anything that benefits them (in the short term) is good for society as a whole. Actually, for many of them, there is no “society as a whole,” there’s only themselves.

    Politicians and media pander to this endemic ignorance, because ignorance fueled by irrational emotion is a powerful force to have on your side. This partisanship as a principle (or actually, in lieu of a principle) is spelled out in Marcuse’s “Repressive Tolerance.”

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    Well, you said that better than I could.

    Augustine, adapting Platonism to the New Testament, placed Human Law above Natural Law, because, he believed, that humans shared in the Divine Nous or Mind which was prior to and the cause of the realm of phenomenon.

    Aquinas, on the other hand, as a follower of the more biologically-based philosophy of Aristotle, placed Natural Law above Human Law (which is the reason, to this day, that the Catholic Church doesn't condone birth control).

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent. And it appears that in the long run, a person or society cannot violate Natural Law without Nemesis intervening and restoring balance. If this is true, then theorists like Marcuse and his opportunistic disciples today are not just wrong in the short-term political sense, but in the Ontological sense--in other words, really, Really Wrong, as in defiance of the transcendent Order of things. A society built on these principles cannot help but fail.
  62. I’m not a sports fan so I can’t really do anything, but any sports fans who do nothing in reaction to this deserve to be culturally enriched with the sort of breaking and entering that guarantees white flight. I used to think sports fans were mentally deficient conformists who were happy with the first thing mainstream pre-packaged culture presented. I met some and found some respect for them. But this is giving hundreds of dollars to people who want you to die violently. This is pretty much sending in a check to ISIS — not because of profound belief reaching a conclusion after an evening of ijtihad, but brainlessly, out of habit. If you support the NFL in any way, you must not have any respect for yourself; you must be okay with sharing your wife.

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  63. @Danindc
    When you lose your career it's always nice to have fat, cuck-faced sports writers like Bob Nightingale stand over you and gloat. If only Clevenger could corner him in the locker room.

    He can’t, but someone else could.

    Nightengale has been the chief proponent of blackballing Clevenger for telling the truth about Charlotte. He does it because there are no repercussions. Just like Cleveland didn’t release Crowell because the Browns didn’t fear repercussions. Are there cops or their family members going to Browns games still? If so, we have our problem.

    Until money is lost or bodies are blooded, the bullying will continue.

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  64. @Steve Richter
    I think he would have gotten away with tweeting if he had left off the "like animals".

    I was about to post this comment close to verbatim before Ctrl+F-ing to see if anyone had made the same point. Great minds!

    Yeah, “like animals” made me wince a bit. Not a great idea to call for black people to be caged like animals- even if you’re only talking about some of them!

    (Steve’s point about the insane double standard still stands, of course.)

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  65. @Steve Richter
    I think he would have gotten away with tweeting if he had left off the "like animals".

    Maybe, maybe not. But the “animals” part was, if anything, charitable. They should have all been shot, not locked up.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    We absolutely need to stop handling this like a fourteen year old on his first date. They are over-reacting babies who argue in bad faith and whose all-important feelings are just a negotiation tactic anyway. Try to satiate their feelings and you're a cat chasing a laser.
    Forget about their feelings. Value facts. Speak the truth though the heavens fall.
    If they have a problem with facts, that's different from two parties claiming various unverifiable and unquantifiable feelings. A person who has a problem with facts is wrong.
  66. @Barnard
    The Browns aren't keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue. The NFL wants to promote Black Lives Matter and other liberal causes. If a white NFL player did something similar he would be suspended.

    The NFL showed its political hand by opposing a mild religious freedom bill in Georgia. It is an organization opposed to conservatives and conservatives should treat it as such.

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  67. @Ivy
    O/T but germane to Unz Review and iSteve world.

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/09/24/percent-readers-who-post-comments-and-read-comments-on-financial-business-news/

    Thanks for the link — I do read Wolf, but not as often as before — per the results, I’m one of those who seldom (if ever?) comments on financial sites — in part because I really don’t know what to say anymore: imo the markets have been thoroughly corrupted by the Fed, and are no longer actionable.

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  68. @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I caught the last several possessions of the UNC/Pitt game yesterday. I thought the announcers and the refs were siding with UNC. Reading about that anthem thing, it all makes sense.

    Ironically I've been on a boycot of NCAA sport bc of how they punished the state NC for their legislation regarding trannies. And of course the NFL, too.

    While its disgusting that the NCAA boycotted North Carolina, it’s going to be almost impossible for conservatives to completely stop watching college sports. This is one instance where we need proactivity from our elected leaders – conservatives need to support investigations of the NCAA’s tax exempt status if they don’t quit with the leftist BS.

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  69. @EdwardM
    He's made around $2M in his career, so probably not quite set for life. I hope he lands somewhere. Many backup catchers find work as bullpen catchers and eventually coaches or managers. So, even if his playing career is winding down, he had a post-playing baseball career that this media hysteria has probably wrecked.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clevest01.shtml

    Isn’t college baseball really conservative? Gotta think some red state team would offer him a coaching spot. Of course if Nightengale finds out, he’ll throw a fit…which is why until there are consequences for anti-whites like Clevenger, the bullying will continue.

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  70. @Intelligent Dasein

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.
     
    First of all, let me address the rather commonly made mistake that if a person's employer terminates him because he didn't like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person's First Amendment rights. It doesn't. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    But more importantly, the whole notion of "freedom of speech" is nonsensical and never has existed in fact. There are only 5 possibilities regarding who may say what at any given time.

    1. The powerful may say what they like. They are the strong.

    2. Also the cronies who suck up to the powerful may speak as the powerful wish them to. They are the sycophants, the "true believers," and the philistines.

    3. The strident and the inspired may too speak their minds, but they do so at their own risk. They are the unruly, the brash, the lunatics, and (occasionally) the heroes and prophets.

    4. The powerless must toe the official line and keep their opinions to themselves, if they dare to have any. They are "the common people" who have too much to lose to be brash but not enough strength to be a force in their own interest.

    5. The dreamers may believe in the mythical power of some ideal or document (e.g. the US Constitution) to force the powerful to cuck so that the powerless may exercise their "freedom of speech." They are the philosophical charlatans and bloody revolutionaries, Voltaire being one notable example.

    We are all involved in this pageant willy nilly---there is no other alternative. I don't think it requires any uncommon brilliance of synthesis to apply this filter to our current circumstances and come up with the following analysis. The criminal Obama regime (1) finds it expedient to tolerate the "speech" of the BLMers (2), while ordinary Americans (4) suffer the consequences. Donald Trump and the Alt-Right (3) are fighting back in the interests of (4), while idiots like Beck, Cruz, and Limbaugh (5) lose themselves in mystical meanderings about the Constitution and the universal brotherhood of man to be affected by free markets and "respect."

    Stated another way, the repeated calls by Barack Obama for ordinary (i.e. White) Americans to "listen" to Black Lives Matter is really just his way of saying that He Won, that we are now the weak, and that BLM has been sent to torture us for his pleasure and confirm us in our humiliation. The loathsome cadre of cuckservatives who actually make a show of such "listening" have utterly failed to protect us when we turned to them for help. The Alt-Right consists of the people who at least recognize this and are trying to do something about it. Donald Trump is our candidate.

    I agree 100% with all you said except point 5 and the last line. There is freedom of speech. But freedom of speech is variant with location, possibility, technologies of expression, means of control, and possibilities of freedom of thought. Freedom of thought is created and limited at a very early age and is actually not under governmental or human control. It’s under the control of culture. The thing Nietzsche rightly identified as the only thing that matters- to a country or ethnic group. You know, a relatable entity.

    That the mega-races are beyond culture, that blacks emote/think differently from Eurasians and Eurasians emote/think differently from each other should be an easy observation, but the absurd universalism of idiots (which includes some of the best scientists) and the conditioned faith that the West holds a monopoly on free expression creates the current political situation. It’s idiots vs idiots all the way down, all the way up. This can’t last.

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  71. @anon
    Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior.

    I actually see the screenshot you meant now, but you seem to have missed the point. Steve said the press wasn't talking about Crowell in regard to Clevenger. If you type it in your way, you'll find stories from this summer about Crowell, snd stories from now about Clevenger. You won't find anything in any professional media outlet comparing and contrasting the two.

    There are a couple of blog posts, such as from "Turtle Boy Sports", but they were put up recently, so even they might not have been there when he did the search.

    Of course I didn’t “fake a screenshot” as Corvinus claims.

    All the information for the Google Search I made is available on screen:

    - News — i.e., not the entire Web, just what Google considers the News.

    -Latest Week

    - Both names within quotes.

    Right now, that search brings up 2 items: the VDARE version of my post and a CNET post from a few hours ago.

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    Anyone who has read a Corvinus post before knows you didn't fake the screenshot. I would love to see stats on the ignored commenters. Corvinus would be up there.
    , @Corvinus
    There are not 2 items. There are 1,660 results when one types in both names within quotes. I have no idea what version of Google you are using.

    https://www.google.com/#q=%22isaiah+crowell%22+%22steve+clevenger%22

  72. @Steve Sailer
    Of course I didn't "fake a screenshot" as Corvinus claims.

    All the information for the Google Search I made is available on screen:

    - News -- i.e., not the entire Web, just what Google considers the News.

    -Latest Week

    - Both names within quotes.

    Right now, that search brings up 2 items: the VDARE version of my post and a CNET post from a few hours ago.

    Anyone who has read a Corvinus post before knows you didn’t fake the screenshot. I would love to see stats on the ignored commenters. Corvinus would be up there.

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  73. @Stealth
    I hate to say this, because I don't want to seem like I'm blaming the victim, but I wish more white people would realize how stupid it is to say anything controversial on social media. It's risky enough to anonymously post comments on friendly sites like this. We're living in "occupied territory," so to speak, and it's time that we acknowledged the situation for what it is and behaved accordingly. Anyone who's unwise enough leave his car unlocked with a hundred dollar bill lying on the seat is rightfully called a fool, so what do we call Steve Clevenger?

    And it's not just what people say; it's how they say it. I doubt Clevenger would have worded his opinions in such an inelegant manner if he were sitting in a restaurant within earshot of twenty five strangers, so it's bizarre that he would express himself thusly on Twitter, in front of everybody. There is no such thing as a private group or tweet.

    Someone has to ‘fall’ for others to realize they’re being attacked. Consider him an involuntary hero

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  74. @Marty T
    Maybe, maybe not. But the "animals" part was, if anything, charitable. They should have all been shot, not locked up.

    We absolutely need to stop handling this like a fourteen year old on his first date. They are over-reacting babies who argue in bad faith and whose all-important feelings are just a negotiation tactic anyway. Try to satiate their feelings and you’re a cat chasing a laser.
    Forget about their feelings. Value facts. Speak the truth though the heavens fall.
    If they have a problem with facts, that’s different from two parties claiming various unverifiable and unquantifiable feelings. A person who has a problem with facts is wrong.

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    @J1234
    The idea of a "principle" is too abstract for many black people, which is why blacks - as a population - are problematic in a free and open society. Many blacks don't understand that a principle works for you at times, and against you (on the behalf of others) at other times. For blacks, everything and anything that benefits them (in the short term) is good for society as a whole. Actually, for many of them, there is no "society as a whole," there's only themselves.

    Politicians and media pander to this endemic ignorance, because ignorance fueled by irrational emotion is a powerful force to have on your side. This partisanship as a principle (or actually, in lieu of a principle) is spelled out in Marcuse's "Repressive Tolerance."

    Well, you said that better than I could.

    Augustine, adapting Platonism to the New Testament, placed Human Law above Natural Law, because, he believed, that humans shared in the Divine Nous or Mind which was prior to and the cause of the realm of phenomenon.

    Aquinas, on the other hand, as a follower of the more biologically-based philosophy of Aristotle, placed Natural Law above Human Law (which is the reason, to this day, that the Catholic Church doesn’t condone birth control).

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent. And it appears that in the long run, a person or society cannot violate Natural Law without Nemesis intervening and restoring balance. If this is true, then theorists like Marcuse and his opportunistic disciples today are not just wrong in the short-term political sense, but in the Ontological sense–in other words, really, Really Wrong, as in defiance of the transcendent Order of things. A society built on these principles cannot help but fail.

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    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    I dunno what you just said but it sounds really deep.

    Just one request. Could you give yourself a real name because I can't go around saying to people that I follow the teachings of Anonymous. It would be good if it was a deep name, like Harambe.

    , @Desiderius

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent.
     
    If that's the case, then Natural Law must have Buford T. Justice as a sheriff, and I don't see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon.
  76. @Anon
    He actually sent out eight tweets on his private Twitter account – which has always required his permission for others to access – but only the two most offensive, blatantly racist ones, were picked up and widely disseminated.

    That's why Scott Adams officially supports Hillary. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145456082991/my-endorsement-for-president-of-the-united-states

    It is going to come out soon enough that the family lied to pump up their multi million settlement with the city.

    The wife knows he had a gun. They have the gun and a blunt with DNA. And it is seeming obvious that the problem is that the guy was strapped and also brain damaged. How the hell is a cop supposed to wonder if a suspect with a gun is not cooperating because he is brain damaged?

    If the cops knew he was brain damaged, then sure. Everything is obvious.

    Not to mention that he was a multiple time convicted felon and possession of the gun was a serious felony.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/22/report-charlottes-keith-scott-had-history-of-violence-including-arrest-for-shooting-at-police/

    I will say that the cops need to wise up and get their version out there first. When a family gets the public incited to riot, the facts no longer matter very much.

    I'm fine with the woman cop in Oklahoma getting charged with Man 1. And the two men with her were pussies, not just taking the guy down.

    Anyway, both situations, the cops were dealing with people that were unable to comply because they were mentally incapable ..... not race. And the notion that these were just ordinary people -- one guy reading a book, the other with a little car trouble? Come on.

    The moral of these things is that the cops need to forget everything but social media, use their personal injury defense lawyers to bash the guys credibility as quickly as possible -- either officially or leak it. We are in a new world.

    Of course, the chief needs to talk about the tragedy and pain, etc. But someone else can get the damaging shit out there early.

    The thing is, cops are killing 1000/year. 1/3 black or one a day. So every month or so they will have a bad shooting. Even without a racist bone in their body. It's going to be $1 billion per year in ghetto lottery payouts. I suppose, so what ... except that the families will start having their lawsuit prep done before the body is cold.

    “Not to mention that he was a multiple time convicted felon and possession of the gun was a serious felony.”

    How come pro-gun control Liberals are not pointing out the fact that convicted felon Keith Scott should have never been able to purchase a gun in the first place?

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    You expect the gun-control crowd to be consistent?

    How about their lack of concern that Sylville Smith of the Milwaukee Riots had an evil extended magazine in the stolen handgun he had in his possession?

    http://www.townhallradiodc.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/08/15/milwaukee-riots-bodycam-footage-shows-shooting-victim-had-a-gun-n2205572

    That's worse than a fully semi-automatic machine gun nuclear bomb or something.
  77. I’ve always found great crowd sourced noticing on anonymous sites like 4chan, e.g., the #YesAllMen campaign image macro about taking handfuls of M&M’s with some in the bowl being poisoned juxtaposed against Donald Trump Jr’s Skittle refugees image. These noticings of double standards can be made into great memes for weaponization on social media since the image’s juxtaposition can suffice as an argument by themselves. Steve is doing powerful work with these posts as well.

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  78. @Jefferson
    "Not to mention that he was a multiple time convicted felon and possession of the gun was a serious felony."

    How come pro-gun control Liberals are not pointing out the fact that convicted felon Keith Scott should have never been able to purchase a gun in the first place?

    You expect the gun-control crowd to be consistent?

    How about their lack of concern that Sylville Smith of the Milwaukee Riots had an evil extended magazine in the stolen handgun he had in his possession?

    http://www.townhallradiodc.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/08/15/milwaukee-riots-bodycam-footage-shows-shooting-victim-had-a-gun-n2205572

    That’s worse than a fully semi-automatic machine gun nuclear bomb or something.

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  79. @Anonymous
    Well, you said that better than I could.

    Augustine, adapting Platonism to the New Testament, placed Human Law above Natural Law, because, he believed, that humans shared in the Divine Nous or Mind which was prior to and the cause of the realm of phenomenon.

    Aquinas, on the other hand, as a follower of the more biologically-based philosophy of Aristotle, placed Natural Law above Human Law (which is the reason, to this day, that the Catholic Church doesn't condone birth control).

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent. And it appears that in the long run, a person or society cannot violate Natural Law without Nemesis intervening and restoring balance. If this is true, then theorists like Marcuse and his opportunistic disciples today are not just wrong in the short-term political sense, but in the Ontological sense--in other words, really, Really Wrong, as in defiance of the transcendent Order of things. A society built on these principles cannot help but fail.

    I dunno what you just said but it sounds really deep.

    Just one request. Could you give yourself a real name because I can’t go around saying to people that I follow the teachings of Anonymous. It would be good if it was a deep name, like Harambe.

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  80. The real answer is to reject sportsball entirely. It’s just another jew-owned, anti-white racket. We not only need our own media, but now we need our own sports leagues for those who feel like wasting time on such things.

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  81. @AndrewR
    And Sailer thinks we're gonna get out of this by being really nice to the people who want us gone.

    And Sailer thinks we’re gonna get out of this by being really nice to the people who want us gone.

    What do you recommend? Is it time to raise the black flag? That’s a hard sell.

    I would guess Steve thinks reality and the repeated description thereof may carry the day. But if you have a better idea I’d love to read it.

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    It's too early to take up arms but rest assured there will be no avoiding that day. To pretend it's not inevitable is delusion.
  82. @Diversity Heretic
    The reason for the difference in the treatment of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell is instantly apparent when one understands that the present secular religion in the United States is Negro worship. A new temple to Negroes and their suffering just opened in Washington DC. Any criticism of Negroes, unless it is somehow linked to white racism, constitutes blasphemy of the tribal gods and a violation of the tribal taboos. It doesn't matter whether the blasphemy is a short Tweet or a well-documented article with lots of cross references (just ask John Derbyshire). The civil authority will take no action (yet); there will be no fine or imprisonment, but the blasphemer must be expelled from the society of believers--he must lose his job and face social ostracism.

    “The reason for the difference in the treatment of Steve Clevenger and Isaiah Crowell is instantly apparent when one understands that the present secular religion in the United States is Negro worship.”

    Asians for example are definitely jealous that they don’t get the same high level of worship from White Liberals that Negroes receive. That is why Sarah Silverman for example will make politically incorrect jokes about Asians, but she would never do the same to Blacks. Saturday Night Live will do Yellow Face but never Black Face.

    “new temple to Negroes and their suffering just opened in Washington DC.

    It’s only a matter of time before the Left builds a museum in Washington DC that is dedicated to all of the of the “positive contributions” that Muslims supposedly gave to America. Realistically it starts with Muhammad Ali and ends with Muhammad Ali. But knowing them they will also include Steve Jobs because the Left owns the megaphone, so they will turn him into a Muslim just like they turned Alexander Hamilton into a Person Of Color from The Caribbean. Notice that the Left no longer refers to Alexander Hamilton as some dead White guy like they do with other White historical figures.

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  83. @Stealth
    I hate to say this, because I don't want to seem like I'm blaming the victim, but I wish more white people would realize how stupid it is to say anything controversial on social media. It's risky enough to anonymously post comments on friendly sites like this. We're living in "occupied territory," so to speak, and it's time that we acknowledged the situation for what it is and behaved accordingly. Anyone who's unwise enough leave his car unlocked with a hundred dollar bill lying on the seat is rightfully called a fool, so what do we call Steve Clevenger?

    And it's not just what people say; it's how they say it. I doubt Clevenger would have worded his opinions in such an inelegant manner if he were sitting in a restaurant within earshot of twenty five strangers, so it's bizarre that he would express himself thusly on Twitter, in front of everybody. There is no such thing as a private group or tweet.

    Good advice. Somebody in Steve Clevenger’s circle is a traitor. But treachery is a feature in the realm of dishonesty. And make no mistake, our opponents consider dishonesty in service of their “greater good” a virtue.

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  84. @Anonymous
    Well, you said that better than I could.

    Augustine, adapting Platonism to the New Testament, placed Human Law above Natural Law, because, he believed, that humans shared in the Divine Nous or Mind which was prior to and the cause of the realm of phenomenon.

    Aquinas, on the other hand, as a follower of the more biologically-based philosophy of Aristotle, placed Natural Law above Human Law (which is the reason, to this day, that the Catholic Church doesn't condone birth control).

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent. And it appears that in the long run, a person or society cannot violate Natural Law without Nemesis intervening and restoring balance. If this is true, then theorists like Marcuse and his opportunistic disciples today are not just wrong in the short-term political sense, but in the Ontological sense--in other words, really, Really Wrong, as in defiance of the transcendent Order of things. A society built on these principles cannot help but fail.

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent.

    If that’s the case, then Natural Law must have Buford T. Justice as a sheriff, and I don’t see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon.

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    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    The much misunderstood term "Natural Law" means simply the law that pertains to things according to their essences. Thus, the precepts enjoined by Natural Law are ironclad but extremely general. While any right action will of course be found to be in conformity with Natural Law, it usually takes additional information to determine the ethical probity of a particular action.

    Man differs from man in intelligence only by degree, while their natures remain the same. Therefore it is not deducible from Natural Law that the most intelligent man must rule over the others. For one thing, ruling other men is not the highest act the intellect can perform and does not require the full use of man's intellectual faculties. For another thing, there are virtues other than "intelligence" required for effective ruling, such as prudence. Thirdly, an established ruler cannot be lawfully deposed simply for being less intelligent, if he has committed no other malfeasance. Finally, an established ruler can simply take the counsel of the more intelligent and their virtue would be added to his own

    The intelligence of men and angels differs not only in degree but also in kind. In the order of nature, angels rule over men because their natures are superior. In the order of grace, the Blessed Virgin Mary (who is, of course, human) rules over both men and angels by virtue of being the Mother of God.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I don’t see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon
     
    Well, only because Trump will win. But if Hillary (spoken of in the Apocalypse, cf. Chapter 17) were to win. The eschaton would be immanentized before your eyes.

    The Natural Law is an observation. It is prescriptive for the perspicacious. Which leaves out liberals. And it is utter nonsense for powers that be. And from the perspective of the powers that be, the new Soviet man will be your destination. And you will like it - or else off to the Gulag!
  85. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'd buy his jersey.

    Well now, if you’re over 25, and you make it a habit of paying $129 for the privilege of walking around with another dude’s name on your back, you’ve already lost the battle, there, Cuckles…

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    Yes, but if you are a shill for the monied interests your sinecure is secure, right "Truth"? Pay for play "Truth"? Or did you sell your soul for mere ideology?

    I am more than a little glad that I'm not you. But I'll be even happier at judgement day, when you are consigned to the Lake. But hey, your perfidious posts may have drawn in more than a few of the unwitting masses to participate side-by-side with you in eternal damnation.

    After all, none can gainsay your service to your master.
    , @Brutusale
    I have one. I bought it 25 years ago for $45. It's a home jersey for a real team, unlike the Mariners, so there's no name on the back, just the number. It's a replica of the jersey worn by a player long dead, and he was of such a skill level that nobody will ever again wear this number on this team. This guy also served in two of his country's wars, and he was a personality of a type that he'd have gone on record as saying pretty much the same things Clevenger said, but the past really is another country.

    I own his jersey for his talent and his go-to-Hell attitude.
  86. @Perspective
    "Strikingly, you wrong. I just typed in their names, with and without quotes, and a number of stories came up regarding their behavior. The screenshot you offered is fake."

    I typed in both their names in google under the news section, and I could not find any stories where a news outlet specifically pointed out that Crowell got stay on even though he posted something much more reprehensible and inflammatory than did Clevenger. It is striking how you interpreted Steve's sentence the way you did.

    Ok Perspective you were lying about looking it up. I found that link in less than 20 seconds.
    So what excuse do you have now?

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  87. @Desiderius

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent.
     
    If that's the case, then Natural Law must have Buford T. Justice as a sheriff, and I don't see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon.

    The much misunderstood term “Natural Law” means simply the law that pertains to things according to their essences. Thus, the precepts enjoined by Natural Law are ironclad but extremely general. While any right action will of course be found to be in conformity with Natural Law, it usually takes additional information to determine the ethical probity of a particular action.

    Man differs from man in intelligence only by degree, while their natures remain the same. Therefore it is not deducible from Natural Law that the most intelligent man must rule over the others. For one thing, ruling other men is not the highest act the intellect can perform and does not require the full use of man’s intellectual faculties. For another thing, there are virtues other than “intelligence” required for effective ruling, such as prudence. Thirdly, an established ruler cannot be lawfully deposed simply for being less intelligent, if he has committed no other malfeasance. Finally, an established ruler can simply take the counsel of the more intelligent and their virtue would be added to his own

    The intelligence of men and angels differs not only in degree but also in kind. In the order of nature, angels rule over men because their natures are superior. In the order of grace, the Blessed Virgin Mary (who is, of course, human) rules over both men and angels by virtue of being the Mother of God.

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  88. @Desiderius

    It would seem to be a violation of Natural Law for the less intelligent to rule over the more intelligent.
     
    If that's the case, then Natural Law must have Buford T. Justice as a sheriff, and I don't see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon.

    I don’t see that eschaton being immanentized anytime soon

    Well, only because Trump will win. But if Hillary (spoken of in the Apocalypse, cf. Chapter 17) were to win. The eschaton would be immanentized before your eyes.

    The Natural Law is an observation. It is prescriptive for the perspicacious. Which leaves out liberals. And it is utter nonsense for powers that be. And from the perspective of the powers that be, the new Soviet man will be your destination. And you will like it – or else off to the Gulag!

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  89. @Truth
    Well now, if you're over 25, and you make it a habit of paying $129 for the privilege of walking around with another dude's name on your back, you've already lost the battle, there, Cuckles...

    Yes, but if you are a shill for the monied interests your sinecure is secure, right “Truth”? Pay for play “Truth”? Or did you sell your soul for mere ideology?

    I am more than a little glad that I’m not you. But I’ll be even happier at judgement day, when you are consigned to the Lake. But hey, your perfidious posts may have drawn in more than a few of the unwitting masses to participate side-by-side with you in eternal damnation.

    After all, none can gainsay your service to your master.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Pointing out that some dumbshit is "demonstrating" by buying a $129 polyester shirt, resigns me to hell?
  90. @eah
    As namby-pamby a post as I've ever read.

    We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the work place.

    On the other hand, their message is viciously clear and straightforward, wouldn't you say? -- just fyi: "the Clevengers of the world" includes you, Mr Sailer.

    We also have freedom to keep the Clevengers of the world out of the world.

    Fixed it for the Progressives.

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  91. @Barnard
    The Browns aren't keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue. The NFL wants to promote Black Lives Matter and other liberal causes. If a white NFL player did something similar he would be suspended.

    “The Browns aren’t keeping Crowell because he is better at his job and worth keeping. This is a race issue.”

    According to the Coalition 0f the Right Fringe groups. As I clearly stated, Crowell should have been suspended. He and his running mate, Duke Johnson, are being relied on to help ease in their rookie QB.

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  92. @Steve Sailer
    Of course I didn't "fake a screenshot" as Corvinus claims.

    All the information for the Google Search I made is available on screen:

    - News -- i.e., not the entire Web, just what Google considers the News.

    -Latest Week

    - Both names within quotes.

    Right now, that search brings up 2 items: the VDARE version of my post and a CNET post from a few hours ago.

    There are not 2 items. There are 1,660 results when one types in both names within quotes. I have no idea what version of Google you are using.

    https://www.google.com/#q=%22isaiah+crowell%22+%22steve+clevenger%22

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Set Google to News and the time to Past Week and you get two articles today.

    If you don't limit the time, then you get a bunch of hybrid pages with articles from last June about Isaiah Crowell plus current headlines about Steve Clevenger. But those are just auto-generated.

  93. @Corvinus
    There are not 2 items. There are 1,660 results when one types in both names within quotes. I have no idea what version of Google you are using.

    https://www.google.com/#q=%22isaiah+crowell%22+%22steve+clevenger%22

    Set Google to News and the time to Past Week and you get two articles today.

    If you don’t limit the time, then you get a bunch of hybrid pages with articles from last June about Isaiah Crowell plus current headlines about Steve Clevenger. But those are just auto-generated.

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  94. You know, it is getting very tiring to always, I mean ALWAYS have to read that “so and so said, did, or breathed a RACIST act/word/thought/deed/etc” and in about 99.9% of the cases, the alleged perp is white. Apparently this is what George Orwell meant when he said that the future would be a boot forever stomping on someone’s face, like for forever, just cause…? Because the wrong person/ethnicity/or race said or did something unapproved by the powers that be.

    But admittedly, it is getting very tiring. And to think that it isn’t slowing down anytime soon, but only is increasing is also beyond comprehension sometimes.

    I mean, on a larger level, can anyone, and I mean anyone, imagine for one second that if during tomorrow’s debate, candidate Clinton were to say to the original GOP neocon’s favorite anointed choice these types of words: “You know, Governor Bush, I don’t appreciate your standing up for Christians in FL. While some of them are decent people, many of them are deplorable because they stand for intolerance, vs. the LGBT agenda, and not to mention that there’s a lot of racism in its most recent past, such as being on the wrong side of civil rights for blacks, etc. Why, they’re not even on the same side as open borders and some of them would like to build a border fence. Would you agree with me right now tonight, that you will denounce these deplorable Christians/conservatives known as white people?”

    What exactly would Jeb! do? Would he look candidate Clinton in the eye and say “Secretary Clinton, I don’t think so, and I’m offended that you would smear such decent people of faith here tonight. I’m proud to have their support, and my administration will do everything it can to make sure these people get a fair hearing at the table of America.”

    Or would Mr “low energy” Jeb! revert to form and reply thus: “Secretary Clinton, I’ll go one better by stating here and now, that I do not want their votes in November. I’d rather be on the side of progress, tolerance for all minorities, and those willing to come to America to make their dreams come true, even if they have to inadvertently sidestep a few technical rules and cumbersome red tape. In the words of my darling Columba, “Si, si puede!” And I can’t think of stronger words to say, except of course that my administration will be the best friend that immigrants and Latinos in particular ever had.”

    Yes, sir, tonight’s debate could be one for the ages. At least this time, the GOP has some energy going for it and perhaps can avoid being crushed by the boot that Orwell was talking about.

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  95. @Intelligent Dasein

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.
     
    First of all, let me address the rather commonly made mistake that if a person's employer terminates him because he didn't like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person's First Amendment rights. It doesn't. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    But more importantly, the whole notion of "freedom of speech" is nonsensical and never has existed in fact. There are only 5 possibilities regarding who may say what at any given time.

    1. The powerful may say what they like. They are the strong.

    2. Also the cronies who suck up to the powerful may speak as the powerful wish them to. They are the sycophants, the "true believers," and the philistines.

    3. The strident and the inspired may too speak their minds, but they do so at their own risk. They are the unruly, the brash, the lunatics, and (occasionally) the heroes and prophets.

    4. The powerless must toe the official line and keep their opinions to themselves, if they dare to have any. They are "the common people" who have too much to lose to be brash but not enough strength to be a force in their own interest.

    5. The dreamers may believe in the mythical power of some ideal or document (e.g. the US Constitution) to force the powerful to cuck so that the powerless may exercise their "freedom of speech." They are the philosophical charlatans and bloody revolutionaries, Voltaire being one notable example.

    We are all involved in this pageant willy nilly---there is no other alternative. I don't think it requires any uncommon brilliance of synthesis to apply this filter to our current circumstances and come up with the following analysis. The criminal Obama regime (1) finds it expedient to tolerate the "speech" of the BLMers (2), while ordinary Americans (4) suffer the consequences. Donald Trump and the Alt-Right (3) are fighting back in the interests of (4), while idiots like Beck, Cruz, and Limbaugh (5) lose themselves in mystical meanderings about the Constitution and the universal brotherhood of man to be affected by free markets and "respect."

    Stated another way, the repeated calls by Barack Obama for ordinary (i.e. White) Americans to "listen" to Black Lives Matter is really just his way of saying that He Won, that we are now the weak, and that BLM has been sent to torture us for his pleasure and confirm us in our humiliation. The loathsome cadre of cuckservatives who actually make a show of such "listening" have utterly failed to protect us when we turned to them for help. The Alt-Right consists of the people who at least recognize this and are trying to do something about it. Donald Trump is our candidate.

    …the rather commonly made mistake that if a person’s employer terminates him because he didn’t like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person’s First Amendment rights. It doesn’t. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    Under the pretense of preserving basic rights, Congress has passed a multitude of civil rights and anti-discrimination laws that regulate these situations. If you fired someone for speaking in favor of Gay marriage, the courts would (figuratively) hang you for various civil rights and unfair discrimination claims. If you appealed to SCOTUS, John Roberts would tell you that the commerce clause lets Congress regulate all business, and thus all the human activity that the SJWs want to cram down your throat.

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  96. “Why the difference in treatment?”

    Leftist literature is perhaps the most extensive and verbose in the history of the world, but it can be boiled down to 5 words: “The underdog is always right”. The corollary is that the topdog is always wrong.

    Because Clevenger is white, and is excoriating the underdog, he must be defenestrated, while Crowell has underdog status and is immune, except if he is set against an even lower underdog. For example if he’d posted an image of a woman or muslim being decapitated, he’d be out on the street instantly.

    “Underdogism” helped in the centuries past when the underdogs could reciprocate the power given to them, such as peasants in the time of monarchies. This, in my view, is why England, where the first “underdogist” movements like Magna Carta (1215), Overthrow of the King (1651), Habeas Corpus (1679) occur, is also where the industrial revolution started, because these developments created an educated and empowered population.

    Sometime in the 20th century however, the pool of worthwhile underdogs has dried up, and “underdogism” has latched on to ever more dubious underdogs.

    See http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-rise-and-decline-of-west-why-and.html

    For an alternative principle using which to organize society:

    http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2016/04/tark-marg-pole-star-of-moral-behavior.html

    http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2016/09/ground-rules-of-game-of-life-tark-marg.html

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Leftist literature is perhaps the most extensive and verbose in the history of the world, but it can be boiled down to 5 words: “The underdog is always right”. The corollary is that the topdog is always wrong.
     
    That's part of it, but more of the literature is directed at (mis)identifying the underdogs and top dogs.
  97. @Truth
    Well now, if you're over 25, and you make it a habit of paying $129 for the privilege of walking around with another dude's name on your back, you've already lost the battle, there, Cuckles...

    I have one. I bought it 25 years ago for $45. It’s a home jersey for a real team, unlike the Mariners, so there’s no name on the back, just the number. It’s a replica of the jersey worn by a player long dead, and he was of such a skill level that nobody will ever again wear this number on this team. This guy also served in two of his country’s wars, and he was a personality of a type that he’d have gone on record as saying pretty much the same things Clevenger said, but the past really is another country.

    I own his jersey for his talent and his go-to-Hell attitude.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    ...Then start a foundation to erect a statue. Honestly Chief a guy your age shouldn't be wearing a jersey unless he's in a softball league.
    , @Lovernios X
    That number is "9". Correct?
  98. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Yes, but if you are a shill for the monied interests your sinecure is secure, right "Truth"? Pay for play "Truth"? Or did you sell your soul for mere ideology?

    I am more than a little glad that I'm not you. But I'll be even happier at judgement day, when you are consigned to the Lake. But hey, your perfidious posts may have drawn in more than a few of the unwitting masses to participate side-by-side with you in eternal damnation.

    After all, none can gainsay your service to your master.

    Pointing out that some dumbshit is “demonstrating” by buying a $129 polyester shirt, resigns me to hell?

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I admire your attempted deflection, but your record is well established here. So let me reiterate,

    After all, none can gainsay your service to your master.

    See you on judgement day.
  99. @Brutusale
    I have one. I bought it 25 years ago for $45. It's a home jersey for a real team, unlike the Mariners, so there's no name on the back, just the number. It's a replica of the jersey worn by a player long dead, and he was of such a skill level that nobody will ever again wear this number on this team. This guy also served in two of his country's wars, and he was a personality of a type that he'd have gone on record as saying pretty much the same things Clevenger said, but the past really is another country.

    I own his jersey for his talent and his go-to-Hell attitude.

    …Then start a foundation to erect a statue. Honestly Chief a guy your age shouldn’t be wearing a jersey unless he’s in a softball league.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Taken care of long ago, cockroach...

    http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20040416&content_id=718444&vkey=pr_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

    The statue was not to commemorate one of the greatest careers in MLB history, but to honor Williams' efforts in ameliorating childhood cancer, something he did out of the public eye until the institution the charity funded forced him out of the shadows because they wanted to have his works recognized. The Jimmy Fund exists to this day, and is a worthy cause.

    To paraphrase Whiskey, I LOVE LOVE LOVE your inherent douchiness.
  100. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    And Sailer thinks we’re gonna get out of this by being really nice to the people who want us gone.
     
    What do you recommend? Is it time to raise the black flag? That's a hard sell.

    I would guess Steve thinks reality and the repeated description thereof may carry the day. But if you have a better idea I'd love to read it.

    It’s too early to take up arms but rest assured there will be no avoiding that day. To pretend it’s not inevitable is delusion.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I am afraid. I am very afraid.

    Let us hope your foresight has misled you. We have seen that day once. I have no desire to see it again.
  101. @Intelligent Dasein

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? We can’t even speak our minds privately without the possibility of being publicly humiliated and financially ruined.
     
    First of all, let me address the rather commonly made mistake that if a person's employer terminates him because he didn't like something he said, or if the public decides to boycott and shame a person for the same reason, then this represents an illegal violation of that person's First Amendment rights. It doesn't. Even on the incorrect theory that there is such a thing as freedom of speech, the First Amendment only prohibits the government from prosecuting speech. That is the only protection offered by the law. Any personal consequences that accrue to you from other people disliking your speech, the law takes no notice of.

    But more importantly, the whole notion of "freedom of speech" is nonsensical and never has existed in fact. There are only 5 possibilities regarding who may say what at any given time.

    1. The powerful may say what they like. They are the strong.

    2. Also the cronies who suck up to the powerful may speak as the powerful wish them to. They are the sycophants, the "true believers," and the philistines.

    3. The strident and the inspired may too speak their minds, but they do so at their own risk. They are the unruly, the brash, the lunatics, and (occasionally) the heroes and prophets.

    4. The powerless must toe the official line and keep their opinions to themselves, if they dare to have any. They are "the common people" who have too much to lose to be brash but not enough strength to be a force in their own interest.

    5. The dreamers may believe in the mythical power of some ideal or document (e.g. the US Constitution) to force the powerful to cuck so that the powerless may exercise their "freedom of speech." They are the philosophical charlatans and bloody revolutionaries, Voltaire being one notable example.

    We are all involved in this pageant willy nilly---there is no other alternative. I don't think it requires any uncommon brilliance of synthesis to apply this filter to our current circumstances and come up with the following analysis. The criminal Obama regime (1) finds it expedient to tolerate the "speech" of the BLMers (2), while ordinary Americans (4) suffer the consequences. Donald Trump and the Alt-Right (3) are fighting back in the interests of (4), while idiots like Beck, Cruz, and Limbaugh (5) lose themselves in mystical meanderings about the Constitution and the universal brotherhood of man to be affected by free markets and "respect."

    Stated another way, the repeated calls by Barack Obama for ordinary (i.e. White) Americans to "listen" to Black Lives Matter is really just his way of saying that He Won, that we are now the weak, and that BLM has been sent to torture us for his pleasure and confirm us in our humiliation. The loathsome cadre of cuckservatives who actually make a show of such "listening" have utterly failed to protect us when we turned to them for help. The Alt-Right consists of the people who at least recognize this and are trying to do something about it. Donald Trump is our candidate.

    That’s fantastic stuff.

    I’d caveat 4 a bit. Like the song says, “freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.” So, the totally powerless are also totally free. What will the state threaten the guy living under the bridge with? What will the state threaten the already habitually imprisoned with? What will it threaten hopeless meth-heads with? What will it threaten Wendy’s employees with?

    This puts an important limitation on the state’s actions. It can’t immiserate the people in 4 too much—it must preserve a gradient between what they have now and what they will have if they fail to conform.

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  102. @Brutusale
    I have one. I bought it 25 years ago for $45. It's a home jersey for a real team, unlike the Mariners, so there's no name on the back, just the number. It's a replica of the jersey worn by a player long dead, and he was of such a skill level that nobody will ever again wear this number on this team. This guy also served in two of his country's wars, and he was a personality of a type that he'd have gone on record as saying pretty much the same things Clevenger said, but the past really is another country.

    I own his jersey for his talent and his go-to-Hell attitude.

    That number is “9″. Correct?

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  103. @Tark Marg

    "Why the difference in treatment?"
     
    Leftist literature is perhaps the most extensive and verbose in the history of the world, but it can be boiled down to 5 words: "The underdog is always right". The corollary is that the topdog is always wrong.

    Because Clevenger is white, and is excoriating the underdog, he must be defenestrated, while Crowell has underdog status and is immune, except if he is set against an even lower underdog. For example if he'd posted an image of a woman or muslim being decapitated, he'd be out on the street instantly.

    "Underdogism" helped in the centuries past when the underdogs could reciprocate the power given to them, such as peasants in the time of monarchies. This, in my view, is why England, where the first "underdogist" movements like Magna Carta (1215), Overthrow of the King (1651), Habeas Corpus (1679) occur, is also where the industrial revolution started, because these developments created an educated and empowered population.

    Sometime in the 20th century however, the pool of worthwhile underdogs has dried up, and "underdogism" has latched on to ever more dubious underdogs.

    See http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-rise-and-decline-of-west-why-and.html

    For an alternative principle using which to organize society:

    http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2016/04/tark-marg-pole-star-of-moral-behavior.html

    http://tarkmarg.blogspot.com/2016/09/ground-rules-of-game-of-life-tark-marg.html

    Leftist literature is perhaps the most extensive and verbose in the history of the world, but it can be boiled down to 5 words: “The underdog is always right”. The corollary is that the topdog is always wrong.

    That’s part of it, but more of the literature is directed at (mis)identifying the underdogs and top dogs.

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  104. @Stan Adams
    The Marlins' star pitcher, Jose Fernandez - a Cuban emigre (or exile, if you prefer) - suffered a major career setback when he died in a boating accident in the wee hours of this morning. The Coast Guard found his wrecked boat turned upside-down on a jetty near the entrance to the Miami harbor, with two bodies underneath and another body floating in the water. It seems that they (Fernandez and two of his buddies) hit the rocks at full speed, in total darkness.

    The iSteve-ish angle is that the team recently sponsored his grandmother's immigration to the United States. She's been his unofficial cheerleader - they even made her a jersey with "Abuela" on the back.

    The creepy Final Destination-ish irony is that, years ago, when Fernandez and his mother were on the boat from Cuba to Miami, she fell overboard. He jumped into the water and pulled her to safety. One wonders whether, in her overwhelming grief and sorrow, she ponders the possibility that he gave his life for hers.

    But, yeah, they were reckless and careless. They were experienced boaters who knew the area well, so they should have known when to slow down.

    “They were experienced boaters who knew the area well, so they should have known when to slow down.”

    I live in Miami (well…Coral Gables), spend a lot of time on the water here and have been in and out Government Cut many times.

    The jetty they hit is 5-6′ high, extends maybe 1/4 mile from the beach, is made of huge boulders, and has been there for decades. The one they hit creates the northern boundary of the main shipping channel where it runs between Miami Beach and Fisher Island.

    There is an identical jetty on the south edge of the channel. The channel runs approximately southeast/northwest until offshore, when it bends to the east. Because the channel is the one that cruise ships, freighters, USCG cutters, etc use it is extremely well marked and well lit, however the jetty itself is not.

    I do not understand how someone even marginally familiar with the waters down here could run into that jetty. Everybody in S. Florida knows its there. The weather was not good that night so that may have contributed. Running south as they were, the channel marker lights would blend in easily with the lights of Key Biscayne (almost directly in their path a few miles ahead) or other ground lights of Coconut Grove, Coral Gables, and other towns extending south towards the Keys. Still…even if its pitch black and raining, everybody knows you have to get well offshore as you approach the south end of Miami Beach because…there’s a big jetty there. It would similar to somebody that takes a bridge across a river regularly just deciding one day to take the direct route and driving into the river.

    Fernandez was an amazing talent and while he acted like a clown when younger, had grown up nicely and was by all accounts a hell of a guy and well-respected by opposing players. I’m a Nationals fan, his last appearance was a dominant effort vs. the Nats and I’m happy to say I watched it.

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  105. @Truth
    ...Then start a foundation to erect a statue. Honestly Chief a guy your age shouldn't be wearing a jersey unless he's in a softball league.

    Taken care of long ago, cockroach…

    http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20040416&content_id=718444&vkey=pr_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

    The statue was not to commemorate one of the greatest careers in MLB history, but to honor Williams’ efforts in ameliorating childhood cancer, something he did out of the public eye until the institution the charity funded forced him out of the shadows because they wanted to have his works recognized. The Jimmy Fund exists to this day, and is a worthy cause.

    To paraphrase Whiskey, I LOVE LOVE LOVE your inherent douchiness.

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  106. @Truth
    Pointing out that some dumbshit is "demonstrating" by buying a $129 polyester shirt, resigns me to hell?

    I admire your attempted deflection, but your record is well established here. So let me reiterate,

    After all, none can gainsay your service to your master.

    See you on judgement day.

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  107. @AndrewR
    It's too early to take up arms but rest assured there will be no avoiding that day. To pretend it's not inevitable is delusion.

    I am afraid. I am very afraid.

    Let us hope your foresight has misled you. We have seen that day once. I have no desire to see it again.

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