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To Bret Stephens’ assertion in the NYT that

Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

Commenter Bitfu responds:

Stephens offers a whole new spin on the Warren/Obama ‘You didn’t build that’ spiel.

Not only didn’t the people already in America fail to build that, but it wasn’t even built until those who weren’t even here came and retroactively built it. Got it?

If my construction of this line of reasoning is insane, don’t blame me: I didn’t build that.

 
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  1. Thomas says:

    Bret Stephens’ mass deportation, Bill Kristol’s “lazy white, working class” that should be replaced, David Brooks’ and Jennifer Rubin’s “dying white America”…

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "no sense of irony or self-awareness?"

    Nope ...

    , @Desiderius
    If that was your self, would you want to be aware of it?
    , @flyover hick

    Bret Stephens’ mass deportation, Bill Kristol’s “lazy white, working class” that should be replaced, David Brooks’ and Jennifer Rubin’s “dying white America”…

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

     

    Stephens’ vile attitude towards the US is somewhat similar to his co-religionist Norman Podhoretz’s attitude towards the US.

    Years ago, Gore Vidal wrote a play that was set in the Civil War. His father’s family had served in the Union Army, his mother’s family in the Confederate Army.

    A war that Vidal called “the great single tragic event that continues to give resonance to our Republic. “ Podhoretz told him “Well, to me the Civil War is as remote and as irrelevant as the War of the Roses.”

    In other words, the history of this country before Podhoretz’s ancestors scurried off the boat was irrelevant to him.
    , @Maj. Kong
    You use the whip to make the horse go faster. Not their fault that the horse is addled by opiates. The working class needs to work harder so our hedge fund managers can get their just rewards.

    /sarc
    , @Anonymous
    Pencil in another one:

    Daniel W. Drezner‏ @dandrezner
    I don't always agree with @BretStephensNYT, but when I do, I really really do.
     


    Professor at @FletcherSchool. Writer of Spoiler Alerts for @washingtonpost. Author of The Ideas Industry. Shaker of hands with Mel Brooks.
     
    , @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.
    , @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/876132033197637632
    , @Who Rescued Whom
    Don't forget Kevin Williamson. He may lack (((echoes))) but he feels the same way. (Traitors are always worse than enemies.)

    Yes, this is what having ethnic privilege actually looks like. White Americans had it for a long time. They have not had it for a lifetime.
    , @IHTG
    Wasn't one of the first people to publish an article like this National Review's Kevin D. Williamson?
    , @Dr. X

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?
     
    If you're one of the Chosen People of God, and God enables your Tribe to kill its enemies and establish a tribal Promised Land, and your religious holidays celebrate killing Persian women and children and Egyptian infants, it's pretty much a given that you're going to be looking down your nose at everyone else.
    , @Berty
    I think the neocons are seething with rage at the moment. Both because they know they'll never achieve the height of power they did during the Bush years and also because Trump has driven a permanent wedge between them and the GOP grassroots voter base. So they can't help but project their true feelings about them.
    , @oh its just me too
    I was going to ask the same thing. Do they at least realize we see their views as grossly hypocritical?
    My guess is they reflexively label any such accusation 'anti-semitic'
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  2. @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    “no sense of irony or self-awareness?”

    Nope …

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Also, as you pointed out the other day, no sense of Noblesse Oblige. They and their ilk, just a massive vampire squid sucking up endless entitlement while exuding grievance.
    , @Marat
    It seems Mr. Kristol is having a particularly difficult time assimilating to American culture - perhaps even more than his father.
    , @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.
  3. @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    If that was your self, would you want to be aware of it?

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  4. BobInVA says:


    Also Kevin Williamson’s “working class towns deserve to die”. And this hard to ignore since it’s the NYT.

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  5. Schrodinger’s proposition nation. It comes into being when immigrants arrive at it.

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    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anonym
    Kind of like Field of Dreams played in reverse. If they come it will be built.

    https://youtu.be/o3c_pJ_CLJQ

    Played forwards it is the story of white civilisation.
    , @nebulafox
    I really wish I thought of that one.
    , @fitzGetty
    ... and calculate the figures for the Mars shot ...
  6. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I like Brett Stevens. In Chicago, we should really replace Blacks with Mexicans. It is a brilliant idea. Maybe they aren’t sending their best. But really. The best is enemy of the good.

    Daley was supposed to be such a great Mayor and all. Wonder why he didn’t think of it.

    Such a good idea, that they will never let it happen. Like the car companies that refuse to use 100 mpg carburetors.

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  7. Jimi says:

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    I too am a child of immigrants. But I understand that my parents were allowed to immigrate to this country by the grace and generosity of the American people.

    It is my duty to reciprocate by being a good US citizen, a productive member of this society, and by putting the interests of my fellow American citizens above religious, tribal, and ethnic interests.

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  8. inertial says:

    This view of America is fairly common among the people who live outside of the American continent. It’s quite an old-fashioned view, and it’s really not so much about immigration but about America’s place in the scheme of things.

    It goes like this: we, the Old World people, discovered America, cleared it of Indians, tamed the wilderness, built the cities. Therefore, America now belongs to us – the Old World people. The current inhabitants of America are considered merely a random subset of “us”.

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  9. Daniel H says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "no sense of irony or self-awareness?"

    Nope ...

    Also, as you pointed out the other day, no sense of Noblesse Oblige. They and their ilk, just a massive vampire squid sucking up endless entitlement while exuding grievance.

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  10. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    Someone should take a representative stack of mass media and upper-middlebrow sources from the last few decades and check to see if there’s been a sharp decline in the way people like Brett Stevens have been speaking to and about the rest of us. I’m certain their has been and I think there’s more than one reason for the decline.

    Of course there’s the sharp decline in civility generally — look at what cretins George Bush Jr. and Jeb are compared to their father, mother or grandfather — but there’s also the nearly universal haughtiness and triumphalism journalists got as they realized just how much they could get away with. Saying whatever misanthropic or ethnically chauvinist thing that comes into one’s head must be quite an addictive thrill; kind of like dropping things on people passing below your apartment building. Before the web, Twitter and Trump, they could get up to whatever they wanted to, as long as they steered clear of targets who could afford to litigate for years or were in some other way higher up the food chain than them.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Of course there’s the sharp decline in civility generally — look at what cretins George Bush Jr. and Jeb are compared to their father, mother or grandfather —

    Neither George W. Bush nor Jeb Bush are notably 'cretinous' or uncivil. Their father had many talents and virtues. He was also a highly competitive man for whom issues were instrumental; his 26 years in public life were, in some sense, pointless. He was also a wretched public speaker most of the time (though not all of the time). Their mother is an elegant, amusing, and, all things considered, industrious woman. I'm not sure why you'd compare them to their mother. Neither George W. or Jeb would be expected to have the virtues of a society wife.

    And how does their grandfather enter into this at all? He was a political hobbyist with a set of attitudes which were likely modal among non-ethnic patricians ca. 1948. (He also had an atrocious temper in domestic circumstances, to the point that his daughter-in-law was afraid of him).
  11. Ed says:

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people.

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    • LOL: MW, 27 year old
    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The neocons are doing everything they can to stir up resentments against their tribe, it is not an accident. If they get a violent reaction, there will be a blank check for hate speech laws (among others).
    , @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.
    , @William F. Cuckley
    You're crediting the American lack of pattern recognition?
    , @virgil caine
    No it's not.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people
     
    We realize Jews aren't worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens's name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

    , @Anonymous
    It's incredible when you realize what the stakes are.

    They aren't making you lose a game of checkers. They're trying to make you and posterity lose, knowingly making the country inhospitable for your people, telling you they're doing it, laughing at you as they do it, and getting big bucks and accolades for it, with an escape hatch on the other side of the planet if things get rough -- that you paid for in money and blood!

    , @Towel Ban
    >It's truly amazing that those zebras didn't run away from that lion
    >It's a credit to those zebras
    , @Anonymous
    Before the Protestant churches were infested with Darbyism and the Catholics hit with Vatican II, American Christians viewed Jewish power and pathologies much more realistically.
    , @No
    No it means the average IQ for white America isn't high enough.

    That is not something to be proud of.
    , @Father O'Hara
    By "credit" of course you mean "eternal shame."
    , @Amasius

    It’s to the credit of the American people.
     
    Uh... why? It's to our credit that we let a bunch of slick-talking, bullying monsters come into our country and poison us to death and never did anything to stop it out of some misguided sense of honor? It's goddamn embarrassing if you ask me. Do you suppose the Hispano-Judeo-Eurasian historians of 2117 AD in the USA (or Pan-American Union, whatever) will paint us in a positive light for our bovine acquiescence? Is that when we'll get our reward at last, a moral victory?
    , @gdpbull
    Its not amazing at all. Its the holocaust factor. Its too easy for Jews to apply the Nazi label on anyone who points out common stereotypical Jewish behavior.

    Noticing obvious common stereotypical behavior of any group of people is different than pre-judging all persons of a group based on a dominant behavior, which is the very definition of being prejudice.
    , @Bill Jones
    "It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people."

    But not in their best interests.
    , @FX Enderby
    To their credit? Nah, to their eternal shame. The lack of prophylaxis has sickened and may soon kill the disappearing "American people." Stupid ignorance of treachery, greed and parasitism is not something to be proud of, no matter what the parasite tells you.
  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Before the recent waves of PoC immigration reified the America Idea, it existed only half-conceived, an incorporeal mass of fluffy white clouds, i.e. it was built out of cotton by Kangz, as any Kangz historian will tell you.

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  13. Whiskey says: • Website

    Its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. If no Jews had existed since (thought experiment: the Romans had killed them all every one after the Jewish Revolt) there would be another version of Stephens saying the same thing. I’ve seen Michael Moore say the same thing, as has Shaun King aka Talcum X and Barack Obama and pretty much every Latino Pol in California and the Kennedy Family and Hillary and of course, that famously Jewish Bill Clinton.

    HBD Denialism is not just for the Left. The Alt-Right has a hefty dose of HBD Denialism as well. Denying that subgroups of Whites just HATE HATE HATE each other and in particular idealistic, utopian, “burn it to the ground” and restart anew NortheWestern European Whites.

    Invite the world and Invade the World? That’s as old as the Children’s Crusade. Anti-White feeling as a religious view? As old as the Cathars and arguably as old as the old Gnostic Heresies of the Second and Third Centuries.

    To the extent that Jews are disproportionately Urban, Upper Class, living in NYC, the Bay Area and Chicago, this reflects the wider Elite White view of the Deplorables coupled with feminism enthusiasm for Muslim Rent Boys. [And also gays, I'd bet there is a non-trivial chance of Brett Stephen's view being motivated by some immigrant lover].

    After all, more Muslims in America means Jews have to leave. And its not as though Tel Aviv beats say, Palm Beach or NYC. You don’t see Sarah Silverman, Jerry Seinfeld, Howard Stern, and Adam Sandler decamping for Israel and leaving the US behind. Jews have had to leave France, a very nice place to live, because Muslims will not allow them to stay. Same with Britain.

    However there is something deeply wrong with White people. We have a deep seated genetic flaw — utopian idealism, a denial of reality in favor of some future nirvana, status signaling altruism, a desire to be Mini-Jesuses and “uplift” Third World peoples. And that genetic flaw can be seen in elite Upper Class women like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts adopting African babies to St. Francis beaming in approval when Muslims in North Africa tortured and beheaded his acolytes he sent to convert them. “Now I have disciples” he exclaimed.

    Duh. A media urbanite catering to women and gays prefers immigrants over natives. The same thing can be said of Macron, Trudeau, the Pope, and Wolfgang Schauble. All famously, not Jews.

    This is important because the fall of the West is not “the Jewwwwssssss!” but the radical disconnect and indeed radically different interests of White men and women and the genetic flaws in Whites: utopian idealism and radical status signaling in a mate market gone awry with the condom and pill and rising female income and independence. Women do well under conquerors, most women in France had a blast with the German soldiers and Nazi occupiers. Men in forced labor camps, not so much.

    Most White women probably agree with Stephens, not because they are Jewish but because they have a hatred of the deplorables. Who do you think voted Macron, Trudeau, and Obama after all? After all, if a White man is worthy he will be successful even if you handicap him. Right? Loyalty and foresight mean nothing next to tingles.

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    As usual, you make some very good points about Nice White Ladies and whites in general that are completely undermined by your unwillingness to acknowledge the elephant sitting in the middle of the room.

    Jews (or, if it makes you feel better, elite Jews) have been a key driver in the dismantling of the West. Would it have happened without them? Possibly, maybe even likely. But to discount their contribution and motivation makes you look delusional, which is unfortunate because you do make many very important observations.

    At the end of day, whites must take the blame for what is happening to us. Jews may be pushing the ball down the hill to speed things up, but we're letting them do it. In essence, you can't con and honest man, no matter how good a con man you are.

    Related to that, I agree with you: There's something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    At first, this was a huge advantage to whites. It helped with IQ. It helped promote science. But, most importantly, it allowed NW Europeans to form large enterprises composed of non-related people that worked together, such as militaries and corporations. These large, highly organized enterprises could smash smaller, less organized tribal enterprises, especially as our scientific abilities increased. NW Europeans conquered the world with this model.

    However, cleansing our systems of family clans also made us view our governments and our leaders, even media leaders, as our substitute clan leaders. Pick up a gun and go to war against Germans in 1914 or 1917 (US) because . . . well . . . because of democracy, yeah, that's it, democracy! Yes, sir. I'll go get my arm blown off for no good reason. We developed an insane trust in our governments, even if those in our government could care less about us. We have given our governments the trust that we should be giving our tribal leaders.

    In addition, we also changed the world. We brought communication to the world. We brought easy transportation to the world. Now, the world could see what our lives looked like and could easily travel to our countries. And they are coming, just as you would expect. Except we have no natural defense against them because we've lost our ability to think as a tribe.

    The Japanese have a simple (and perfect) answer to any question about immigration: They are not our people. Not even a Jew can counter that simple statement, just as even the most clever lawyer can't counter my saying that I won't allow a refugee to live in my house because he's not my blood child.

    Whites just can't think that way. And we very well may disappear because of it.

    Frankly, I've lost hope that whites as currently constituted can survive as a people. Our only hope is that those of us that still retain a tribal nature will eventually come together and carve out a place for ourselves. Will that happen? Probably not. Even if it did, my guess is that at best 25% of whites fit the bill.

    There will be a massive culling of the herd for whites to get us back to where we were a thousand years ago.
    , @kaganovitch
    "I'd bet there is a non-trivial chance of Brett Stephen's view being motivated by some immigrant lover"

    Nah, he's got a wife and 3 kids.
  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Bret Stephens sounds like one of those modern Jews (they aren’t alone) that seem to be longing for the Neo-British World Empire. The Sun Never Sets on the Propositional Empire! Come the New Propositional Man!

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Bret Stephens sounds like one of those modern Jews (they aren’t alone) that seem to be longing for the Neo-British World Empire.

    I think Jonah Goldberg wrote a column about 18 years ago advancing the proposition that the West should place tropical Africa under trusteeship. That aside, the notion that anyone is advocating a 'neo-British world empire' is tommyrot.
  15. @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Bret Stephens’ mass deportation, Bill Kristol’s “lazy white, working class” that should be replaced, David Brooks’ and Jennifer Rubin’s “dying white America”…

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Stephens’ vile attitude towards the US is somewhat similar to his co-religionist Norman Podhoretz’s attitude towards the US.

    Years ago, Gore Vidal wrote a play that was set in the Civil War. His father’s family had served in the Union Army, his mother’s family in the Confederate Army.

    A war that Vidal called “the great single tragic event that continues to give resonance to our Republic. “ Podhoretz told him “Well, to me the Civil War is as remote and as irrelevant as the War of the Roses.”

    In other words, the history of this country before Podhoretz’s ancestors scurried off the boat was irrelevant to him.

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  16. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Somewhat related to this thread and the previous Bret Stephens thread is this brilliant tweet someone forwarded to me:

    Reminder – There’s no “end point” for “diversity”, there’s no point where our leaders say “we’re diverse now”, it keeps going til we’re gone

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  17. Anonym says:
    @27 year old
    Schrodinger's proposition nation. It comes into being when immigrants arrive at it.

    Kind of like Field of Dreams played in reverse. If they come it will be built.

    Played forwards it is the story of white civilisation.

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  18. Maj. Kong says:
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    You use the whip to make the horse go faster. Not their fault that the horse is addled by opiates. The working class needs to work harder so our hedge fund managers can get their just rewards.

    /sarc

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    • Replies: @Enterthedragoon
    Don't dwell too long on the pharma company responsible for the opiate crisis...
  19. Maj. Kong says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    The neocons are doing everything they can to stir up resentments against their tribe, it is not an accident. If they get a violent reaction, there will be a blank check for hate speech laws (among others).

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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Pencil in another one:

    Daniel W. Drezner‏ @dandrezner
    I don’t always agree with @BretStephensNYT, but when I do, I really really do.

    Professor at @FletcherSchool. Writer of Spoiler Alerts for @washingtonpost. Author of The Ideas Industry. Shaker of hands with Mel Brooks.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Drezner's still got Stockholm Syndrome from being denied tenure at Chicago.
  21. JohnnyD says:

    I really hope that Bret Stephens was trolling everyone, or having a competition with Jennifer Rubin to see who can write the worst column.

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  22. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    You can learn a lot about people by letting them assume to instruct you for your betterment.

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  23. Stevens’ line of ignorant bullshit has its echoes down under.

    I have heard over the course of my adult life the line that “Australia was built by immigrants”, where “immigrants” is meant to refer to the post-1945 wave of southern Europeans, and afterwards immigrants from non-European sources.

    It’s no good pointing out that by 1945 the country was already a fully-built, prosperous and free outpost of the West in the South Pacific that had just given valuable assistance to the US in its fight against the Japanese and the Brits in their fight against the Germans.

    Or that they would not have a place to which they could migrate if the British settler society had not spent generations of toil in taming the wilderness and its pathetically primitive original inhabitants.

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  24. MC says:
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    David Brooks wrote a book called “The Road to Character” while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

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    • LOL: Trelane, Clyde, bomag
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    MC, Oh the irony....you didn't write that.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    He "research shikssistant".
    , @Reg Cæsar
    "God, make me holy. But not yet…"

    H/T Augustine of Hippo.
    , @Lord Jeff Sessions
    some of the comments on the WaPo article are pretty funny:

    jadegold2000
    5/3/2017 8:08 AM EDT
    Apparently, "The Road to Character" lies somewhere near the intersection of "Bored with Wife/Kids" and "Hey, Look at that Young Hottie who works for me."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/04/30/new-york-times-columnist-david-brooks-weds-his-former-researcher-anne-snyder/#comments
     

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Brooks felt The Road to Character should be written from a detached, objective perspective, perhaps studying it from the Road To Getting What I Want, which looks down on it.
    , @Mr. Anon

    David Brooks wrote a book called “The Road to Character” while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.
     
    The Road to Character is paved with infidelity.
    , @FX Enderby
    Hey, it's a long road... with plenty of detours and distractions!
  25. snorlax says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it’s admittedly been a month or two since I’ve been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that’s probably because Trump’s sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who’ve ever existed, which is remarkable, and it’s very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I’ll admit that Stephens’ piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it’s clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my “9″ and “0″ keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory “like” and “share.” So it’s hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I’m thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn’t describe me outside them and my immediate family; can’t risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

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    • Replies: @Trelane
    I found your post to be difficult to read.

    A life insurance policy is difficult reading. Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham is easy reading.

    Your comment is closer to a life insurance policy.
    , @William F. Cuckley
    You should work on wearing out your "1", "4", and "8" keys.
    , @Who Rescued Whom
    "(In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so)."

    Until they don't need you anymore. Then you can expect the Stephens treatment.

    SHR. HTAJ!
    , @Chrisnonymous
    His comments are so extreme that I find it hard to believe that most Goodwhites, Jew or Gentile, would agree. On the other hand, I doubt they would strongly condemn him either. I suspect he represents just the leading edge of traitorous anti-Americanism--a place where most Goodwhites haven't gone yet despite their objectively anti-nativist opinions.
    , @nebulafox
    Fully agreed. Eastern seaboard, upper-middle class left-wing Jews tend to simply be akin to the rest of their upper-middle class Goodthinking neighbors, not the other way around. It's nothing special. There's something unbearably crude and proletarian about anti-Semitism as an ideology, really. Why would you attack a group that has, whatever their flaws, disproportionately contributed to Western society and culture, especially in the hard sciences where most Americans can't be bothered to go into? (To clarify, I mean the real stuff, not what the Washington Post and New York Times would term as "anti-Semitism".)

    I could add that for all Israel is lambasted in this forum, Netanyahu and Company typically don't take their ideological cues from the New York Times editorial board, unlike a lot of their American co-religionists. They aren't necessarily an enemy of the alt-right, or don't have to be. They'd probably be quite happy to make their peace with an authentically nationalist, realist, non-interventionist government in Washington, should such a thing ever come into being, provided they get a free hand in Palestine under the idea of "national sovereignty". The same could be said for first generation Russian Jews who emigrated to the US from the USSR in the 1990s-who, having never been touched by political correctness or the 1960s, like everybody else in Russia, often have political views that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    , @AndrewR
    You won't even tell your non-immediate family you've supported Trump?
    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Snorlax writes, "Anyway, I’ll admit that Stephens’ piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it’s clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my “9″ and “0″ keys."

    I understand the reference to the Ace of Spades HQ website http://ace.mu.nu/ and its banner H. L. Mencken quote, "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
    But somebody please explain the reference to the excessive tapping of the "9" and "0" keys on a keyboard.
    , @Lot

    which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge
     
    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work? Should Jews stop random non-Jews on the street to thank them?

    What other ethnic groups owe acknowledgement of American love? Americans seem to love Irish culture and we've had positive trade and diplomatic relations with them for a long time. The US tolerance of Ireland's tax-haven status is worth far more than our military aid to Israel.* Should Irish Americans be thankful for these transfers to their distant coethnics?

    *(American and European corporations move their intellectual property to Irish subsidiaries, and then reduce or eliminate their taxable income by paying all their profits as "licensing fees" to their Irish subsidiaries. If you want to see the practical result of this, per capita GDP in Northern Ireland is about $25,000, in Ireland itself it is about $65,000.)

    , @Noticer
    Goodwhites and Jews are synoptic on many things, but there's a hard edge to the latter's attitude toward White Gentile culture that's absent among the Goodwhites.

    Broadly speaking, when it comes to anti-White sentiments, Goodwhites show guilt and contrition, whereas Jews show hostility and resentment.

    I resisted the distinction for many years, but I've learned to see it so clearly that I sometimes recognize previously unsuspected Jews by its signature.

    For example, actor and singer Mandy Patinkin, best known to my generation as the vengeful Spaniard Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride, recently opined (8:38):


    …maybe it’s—and it is—the white men in government and the military establishment who are the bad guys, not the Muslim community.
     
    There was such an edge to the way he said "white men" that I immediately thought, "Oh, I didn't realize Mandy Patinkin was Jewish." It had literally never occurred to me to wonder about Patinkin's ethnicity (in my mind, he was always Inigo Montoya), but a quick Wikipedia check confirmed my realization to be correct.

    I've now seen this pattern too many times to believe it's a coincidence (especially since my suspicion precedes confirmation, thereby eliminating confirmation bias as an explanation).

    In any case, Jews would be wise to tone down the anti-White rhetoric. I fear the goyim are getting restless.

  26. Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

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    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system
     
    Actually, quite a few traditional(ist) Americans, from Russell Kirk to Bill Kauffman, have questioned the Interstates and/or the culture that spawned, and in turn was spawned by, them.

    They, like the atom bomb, zoning, and a dozen or more other sketchy things, were a progressive project that is inexplicably defended by "conservatives" of today. Who should rightly be called "neoconservatives", by definition and by default.

    I realize you were alluding to the skill it took to build them. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    Project Apollo? How Canada put a man on the Moon?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Chamberlin


    The story, told to me in the early 1980's by a fiercely nationalist Canadian (a cousin to the I believe in 'diversity' and not 'assimilation' guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtVrDPhHBg) is that Canada cancelled the development of their Avro Arrow interceptor jet in response to pressure from their southern neighbor, the engineers from this project migrated across Canada's southern border in pursuit of employment, and Project Apollo happened.

    This is the Canadian version of "Hidden Figures" or something like that.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, That's why my grandparents came to America, all the hard work was already done. Although surviving the Great Depression and hoping your children came back from WWII was kind of a bummer. Otherwise life was good.
    , @Louis Renault
    Don't forget the Trail of Tears.
    , @syonredux

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.
     
    Indeed. As for myself, I wish to thank the incoming hordes for giving us: Vector Calculus, Information Theory, the aeroplane, the phonograph, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the machine gun, the short story, integrated circuits, the detective story, electronic television, .......
    , @Jack D
    As well you should - without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler's Autobahns.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    And the transcontinental railroad--that golden spike must have been forged by a Somalian. Well, okay, he stole the gold to build it, but still . . .
  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

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  28. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    You’re crediting the American lack of pattern recognition?

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  29. Trelane says:
    @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    I found your post to be difficult to read.

    A life insurance policy is difficult reading. Dr. Seuss’s Green Eggs and Ham is easy reading.

    Your comment is closer to a life insurance policy.

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  30. @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    You should work on wearing out your “1″, “4″, and “8″ keys.

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  31. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    No it’s not.

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  32. @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system

    Actually, quite a few traditional(ist) Americans, from Russell Kirk to Bill Kauffman, have questioned the Interstates and/or the culture that spawned, and in turn was spawned by, them.

    They, like the atom bomb, zoning, and a dozen or more other sketchy things, were a progressive project that is inexplicably defended by “conservatives” of today. Who should rightly be called “neoconservatives”, by definition and by default.

    I realize you were alluding to the skill it took to build them. But just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

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    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, "Gee wiz, that's great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we're building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That's so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, "Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I'm glad we went."

    Personally, I'm glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.
    , @Logan
    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent.

    Or just reproduce it. Nothing is stopping you from staying off the interstates and driving the old US routes.
    , @Bill Jones
    The internet highway system was driven by Ike's Defense Secretary, a former President of General Motors and was specifically designed to kill the rail network.

    Jaimes Corbett @Corbettreort.com is very good on this.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-310-rise-of-the-oiligarchs/
  33. @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Don’t forget Kevin Williamson. He may lack (((echoes))) but he feels the same way. (Traitors are always worse than enemies.)

    Yes, this is what having ethnic privilege actually looks like. White Americans had it for a long time. They have not had it for a lifetime.

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    Williamson's a rude creature. He's also Joe Blow from Lubbock, Tex. How does he have 'ethnic privilege'?
  34. @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    “(In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).”

    Until they don’t need you anymore. Then you can expect the Stephens treatment.

    SHR. HTAJ!

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  35. @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    His comments are so extreme that I find it hard to believe that most Goodwhites, Jew or Gentile, would agree. On the other hand, I doubt they would strongly condemn him either. I suspect he represents just the leading edge of traitorous anti-Americanism–a place where most Goodwhites haven’t gone yet despite their objectively anti-nativist opinions.

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  36. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    MC, Oh the irony….you didn’t write that.

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  37. Mr. Anon says:

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Speaking as a thief, I have always thought that things properly belong to those who steal them.

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  38. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    He “research shikssistant”.

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  39. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens’s name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

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    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    I’m reminded of the aphorism, “You may not be interested in war, but …”
    , @neutral

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    The three real branches of US government are Hollywood, Wall Street and the military industrial complex (the official US government is simply a rubber stamping authority). Two of those three are pretty much run by jews (and those two are arguably the most important), so to simply dismiss this as unimportant is more of sign just how powerful they are as opposed to your self delusion that these things simply do not matter.
    , @Art Deco
    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The 'we' to whom you're referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.
    , @Lot

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    Yes, especially if you are young. Full blooded Jews, as a share of the US white population, are down about 80% from their peak circa 1920-1950 due to intermarriage and low birth rate. The remainder are far more chill and less striving or are poorly educated hasids or ultraorthodox.
  40. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    “God, make me holy. But not yet…”

    H/T Augustine of Hippo.

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    Augustine of Hippo....... thanks I looked him up and why not?
    https://lexloiz.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/%e2%80%98lord-make-me-pure-but-not-yet%e2%80%99-%e2%80%93-augustine%e2%80%99s-naughty-prayer/
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  42. @Reg Cæsar

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system
     
    Actually, quite a few traditional(ist) Americans, from Russell Kirk to Bill Kauffman, have questioned the Interstates and/or the culture that spawned, and in turn was spawned by, them.

    They, like the atom bomb, zoning, and a dozen or more other sketchy things, were a progressive project that is inexplicably defended by "conservatives" of today. Who should rightly be called "neoconservatives", by definition and by default.

    I realize you were alluding to the skill it took to build them. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, “Gee wiz, that’s great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we’re building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That’s so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, “Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I’m glad we went.”

    Personally, I’m glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.

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    The respectable right supported the Interstate system because trucking unions were a lot easier to break than railroad unions. Indeed the Teamsters has more train crew than truckers today.
    Trucks pay road tax, but they pay as used, and about enough to cover half the damage they do. Railroads pay right of way expenses upfront.

    Most truckers earn crummy wages if looked at on an hourly basis. Traincrews on a Class 1 railroad live pretty well.
    , @27 year old
    >We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, “Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I’m glad we went.”

    Damn right.

    "Climbing Mount Everest is work for Supermen", The New York Times (18 March 1923)

    "Why did you want to climb Mount Everest?" This question was asked of George Leigh Mallory, who was with both expeditions toward the summit of the world’s highest mountain, in 1921 and 1922, and who is now in New York. He plans to go again in 1924, and he gave as the reason for persisting in these repeated attempts to reach the top, "Because it's there."

     

    , @Jack D
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private - the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.
     
    I was just wondering, while passing farms on a county highway this afternoon, when was the last time I saw a Mail Pouch barn?

    Somehow, tort lawyer billboards just lack that kind of charm.
  43. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    It’s incredible when you realize what the stakes are.

    They aren’t making you lose a game of checkers. They’re trying to make you and posterity lose, knowingly making the country inhospitable for your people, telling you they’re doing it, laughing at you as they do it, and getting big bucks and accolades for it, with an escape hatch on the other side of the planet if things get rough — that you paid for in money and blood!

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  44. Towel Ban says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    >It’s truly amazing that those zebras didn’t run away from that lion
    >It’s a credit to those zebras

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jews the same as the Muslims:

    1. As a group they carry a significant percentage of radical ethno warriors — bolstered by an ancient xenophobic ingroup ideology.

    2. The larger group as a whole does/says little to control the radicals.

    3. The entire group gets blamed for the aggression of the few.

    PS It’s important to understand that the percentage of radicals is significant, not trivial.

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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, "Gee wiz, that's great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we're building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That's so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, "Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I'm glad we went."

    Personally, I'm glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.

    The respectable right supported the Interstate system because trucking unions were a lot easier to break than railroad unions. Indeed the Teamsters has more train crew than truckers today.
    Trucks pay road tax, but they pay as used, and about enough to cover half the damage they do. Railroads pay right of way expenses upfront.

    Most truckers earn crummy wages if looked at on an hourly basis. Traincrews on a Class 1 railroad live pretty well.

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    It seems like every American on this blog has his favorite set of "real" reasons why our parents and grandparents built the Interstate Highway System -- reasons that have nothing to do with what they actually did: bequeath to us fast, convenient, fantastic, personal, automotive transportation across a vast multitude of states spanning a continent.

    (Of course now we know the really real reason they built these amazing roads was so immigrants could fill them up.)
  47. nebulafox says:
    @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    Fully agreed. Eastern seaboard, upper-middle class left-wing Jews tend to simply be akin to the rest of their upper-middle class Goodthinking neighbors, not the other way around. It’s nothing special. There’s something unbearably crude and proletarian about anti-Semitism as an ideology, really. Why would you attack a group that has, whatever their flaws, disproportionately contributed to Western society and culture, especially in the hard sciences where most Americans can’t be bothered to go into? (To clarify, I mean the real stuff, not what the Washington Post and New York Times would term as “anti-Semitism”.)

    I could add that for all Israel is lambasted in this forum, Netanyahu and Company typically don’t take their ideological cues from the New York Times editorial board, unlike a lot of their American co-religionists. They aren’t necessarily an enemy of the alt-right, or don’t have to be. They’d probably be quite happy to make their peace with an authentically nationalist, realist, non-interventionist government in Washington, should such a thing ever come into being, provided they get a free hand in Palestine under the idea of “national sovereignty”. The same could be said for first generation Russian Jews who emigrated to the US from the USSR in the 1990s-who, having never been touched by political correctness or the 1960s, like everybody else in Russia, often have political views that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

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  48. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    Before the Protestant churches were infested with Darbyism and the Catholics hit with Vatican II, American Christians viewed Jewish power and pathologies much more realistically.

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  49. nebulafox says:
    @27 year old
    Schrodinger's proposition nation. It comes into being when immigrants arrive at it.

    I really wish I thought of that one.

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  50. @Reg Cæsar

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people
     
    We realize Jews aren't worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens's name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    I’m reminded of the aphorism, “You may not be interested in war, but …”

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Anti-Semites and Jews have a lot in common. The two groups that are most interested in Jews - about which prominent figures are Jewish, about how much money they have, etc. appear to me to be (1) anti-Semites and (2) Jews. Most other people don't give a damn whether Harrison Ford or Travis Kalanick is Jewish or not.
  51. I think it’s a stretch to connect Stephen’s comment to the ‘you didn’t build that’ reasoning, especially since Obama’s remarks were made in the context of collectively-held good/resources. Admittedly, I’m not sure if its meaning has been co-opted by the rabidly pro-immigration crowd, but to call a “new spin” on it is shaky. I can see how the connection can be made, but this feels more like a coincidental compatibility rather than a deliberate extension.

    On a separate note:

    Many of the NYT commenters are claiming that this article is subtle satire, and that everyone isn’t just getting the joke.

    While Stephen’s essay is ridiculous, it’s not exactly over-the-top enough to clearly be recognizable as satire. Perhaps he’s even mocking what the Democratic position will be in a few years, but again that’s not immediately clear.

    “This has to be satire… r-right, guys?”

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  52. AndrewR says:
    @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    You won’t even tell your non-immediate family you’ve supported Trump?

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    My non-immediate family members are all some hours away by air, and the ones I'm in contact with most frequently are fanatical MSNBC-addicts, so it wouldn't serve any purpose except to strain our relationship.
  53. IHTG says:
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Wasn’t one of the first people to publish an article like this National Review’s Kevin D. Williamson?

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  54. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    some of the comments on the WaPo article are pretty funny:

    jadegold2000
    5/3/2017 8:08 AM EDT
    Apparently, “The Road to Character” lies somewhere near the intersection of “Bored with Wife/Kids” and “Hey, Look at that Young Hottie who works for me.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/04/30/new-york-times-columnist-david-brooks-weds-his-former-researcher-anne-snyder/#comments

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    One of them refers to an NYT piece of his that I consider among the top 50 most cringeworthy effusions in the English language:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/opinion/david-brooks-leaving-and-cleaving.html

    In which he tells his ex wife to go take a hike and not plague him with her feelings because he's moved on to the younger, and we presume more goyische, monkey.

    IME it seems to be a pattern among rich/famous Jews to dump the first, Jewish, wife for a second, usually daughterly in age and shikstastic. In Brooks's case, he caught an evangelical Christian gal just a couple years out of college [Wheaton].

    Cf.:

    http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=113885

    Lord Jeff, do you know who is the...person...to the left in the schmeerkunst rose painting? The one with Asian features and culturally appropriated hair, whose hand/knee Brooks's new squeeze is holding.
  55. neutral says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people
     
    We realize Jews aren't worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens's name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The three real branches of US government are Hollywood, Wall Street and the military industrial complex (the official US government is simply a rubber stamping authority). Two of those three are pretty much run by jews (and those two are arguably the most important), so to simply dismiss this as unimportant is more of sign just how powerful they are as opposed to your self delusion that these things simply do not matter.

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  56. Tiny Duck says:

    Throughout history white christians have slaughtered Jews (like who’re men kill everyone)

    This is why white men must be stopped

    Verysmsrtbrothas writes on this topic frequently

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  57. Marat says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "no sense of irony or self-awareness?"

    Nope ...

    It seems Mr. Kristol is having a particularly difficult time assimilating to American culture – perhaps even more than his father.

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  58. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I suppose eventually it will be the people who aren’t here yet are Who We Are. The Congolese, among others, “built that”, are building “that” right now! How can we not let them in?

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    This was observed hereabouts not long ago over Ramadan beer and ribs.

    The talk was of the big things the assembled were spending their lengthy work days/weeks building. Neat stuff, big stuff, stuff that will make a lot of lives better for a long time. Plus a dab of grumbling about missing the wife, the kids, the friends, the ham radio, the gun club, the cattle, and about the improvements at home not getting made...because between working and sleeping and filling out paperwork, it doesn't leave much time to build one's personal life.

    Someone joked about that horrible white male privilege, and that got kicked around a bit.

    From there it was requested that we bow our heads in a moment of reverence for some teenager who, at this moment is learning to exercise his testosterone surge by spreading HIV among moist fleshy pockets in stinking shacks lining open sewer mud lanes...

    ...for he, and the recipients of his seeds of life and death, will one day be held up as The Ones Who Built all those things.

    Somewhere around here I have a meme from about 15 years ago. It shows a white guy sitting by a lake, staring at a horizon light years beyond it. It says, "Every time my wife thanks god for the things I provide, I die a little inside."

    I see these two phenomena as having major Boolean overlap.

  59. No says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    No it means the average IQ for white America isn’t high enough.

    That is not something to be proud of.

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  60. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    By “credit” of course you mean “eternal shame.”

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  61. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    Brooks felt The Road to Character should be written from a detached, objective perspective, perhaps studying it from the Road To Getting What I Want, which looks down on it.

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  62. Amasius says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    It’s to the credit of the American people.

    Uh… why? It’s to our credit that we let a bunch of slick-talking, bullying monsters come into our country and poison us to death and never did anything to stop it out of some misguided sense of honor? It’s goddamn embarrassing if you ask me. Do you suppose the Hispano-Judeo-Eurasian historians of 2117 AD in the USA (or Pan-American Union, whatever) will paint us in a positive light for our bovine acquiescence? Is that when we’ll get our reward at last, a moral victory?

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  63. Altai says:


    I’m also reminded of the admitted fraudulent asylum seeker from Lebannon who said native Belgians who didn’t like the new multicultural version should leave. (To where, as always is the question)

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=629_1239027931

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyab_Abou_Jahjah

    Looking through Jahjah’s CV is impressive in how much he openly says he hates the place that took him in and gave him a political career, which he uses to agitate for more immigration of muslims and denigrate the natives. Though there might be a lot of difference between him and Stephens they share that impressive and alien assurance to pursue their groups interests at the expensive of the host society without any hesitation and indeed an expectation that their parasitism be allowed. They get angry when there is any push back, like a spoiled child who has learned no fear or respect for their parent. It’s literally how the world works for them, they have no impulse for universalism. They have no fear or guilt whatsoever on openly calling for the displacement and replacement of the native peoples of their host societies, not just with a Tweet on social media, but columns in large newspapers with their name and picture on them.

    Then there was the immam who said Australia belongs more to immigrants because they chose to be there, instead of somebody born there. Can’t find the link to that one.

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  64. One can be (more or less) objective without being detached. It’s the detachment (hyperabstraction/rootlessness) that is the problem.

    A problem to which intellectuals (among whom Jews are overrepresented) are more, but not uniquely, susceptible. Nor is it incurable.

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  65. You says:

    When I’m mean to people it’s because I know they will let me

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  66. @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Project Apollo? How Canada put a man on the Moon?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Chamberlin

    The story, told to me in the early 1980′s by a fiercely nationalist Canadian (a cousin to the I believe in ‘diversity’ and not ‘assimilation’ guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtVrDPhHBg) is that Canada cancelled the development of their Avro Arrow interceptor jet in response to pressure from their southern neighbor, the engineers from this project migrated across Canada’s southern border in pursuit of employment, and Project Apollo happened.

    This is the Canadian version of “Hidden Figures” or something like that.

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    I never would have thought the Canadians were like the Brazilians, who really, really, truly do believe Alberto Santos-Dumont invented the airplane.

    And the French, who still give him official credit for the first flight, because it occurred in France in front of French observers, of course (three years after the Wright Brothers).

  67. @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    Snorlax writes, “Anyway, I’ll admit that Stephens’ piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it’s clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my “9″ and “0″ keys.”

    I understand the reference to the Ace of Spades HQ website http://ace.mu.nu/ and its banner H. L. Mencken quote, “Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
    But somebody please explain the reference to the excessive tapping of the “9″ and “0″ keys on a keyboard.

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  68. Not only didn’t the people already in America fail to build that, but it wasn’t even built until those who weren’t even here came and retroactively built it. Got it?

    So by that rationale, we need to immediately affect a permanent ban on all immigration. We can’t have all these new Americans show up and start retroactively slaughtering all the Indians and enslaving the Blacks.

    Bret Stephens is right, and I’m off to yell at my new Somali neighbors for being racist, genocidal maniacs.

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  69. Hunsdon says:

    Ah, America wasn’t really America until we got a bunch of highly intelligent, bookish, neurotic Ashkenazi immigrants who could help us fulfill our promise by tearing down and changing everything we thought we’d built.

    Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?"
    Asbestos removal. They leave that to blacks, who apparently excel in that nation-building endeavor.
    , @Art Deco
    Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?

    This board is shot through with people who fancy Jewish wire pullers can buy and sell just about anyone and Jedi-mind trick them to boot.
  70. Steve,

    This might be of interest to you.
    It’s “magic dirt” again. This time, at MIT.
    The administration has convinced itself that if a dorm popular with minorities is closed and students are moved to other dorms, their academic performance will improve.

    https://qz.com/1005761/mit-is-overhauling-senior-house-haus-a-dorm-beloved-by-poor-minority-and-lgbt-students-citing-drugs-and-late-graduation-rates/

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  71. gdpbull says:
    @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    Its not amazing at all. Its the holocaust factor. Its too easy for Jews to apply the Nazi label on anyone who points out common stereotypical Jewish behavior.

    Noticing obvious common stereotypical behavior of any group of people is different than pre-judging all persons of a group based on a dominant behavior, which is the very definition of being prejudice.

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  72. @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, "Gee wiz, that's great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we're building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That's so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, "Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I'm glad we went."

    Personally, I'm glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.

    >We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, “Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I’m glad we went.”

    Damn right.

    “Climbing Mount Everest is work for Supermen”, The New York Times (18 March 1923)

    “Why did you want to climb Mount Everest?” This question was asked of George Leigh Mallory, who was with both expeditions toward the summit of the world’s highest mountain, in 1921 and 1922, and who is now in New York. He plans to go again in 1924, and he gave as the reason for persisting in these repeated attempts to reach the top, “Because it’s there.”

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  73. Dr. X says:
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    If you’re one of the Chosen People of God, and God enables your Tribe to kill its enemies and establish a tribal Promised Land, and your religious holidays celebrate killing Persian women and children and Egyptian infants, it’s pretty much a given that you’re going to be looking down your nose at everyone else.

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  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Buzz, That’s why my grandparents came to America, all the hard work was already done. Although surviving the Great Depression and hoping your children came back from WWII was kind of a bummer. Otherwise life was good.

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    Buzz, That’s why my grandparents came to America, all the hard work was already done. Although surviving the Great Depression and hoping your children came back from WWII was kind of a bummer. Otherwise life was good.
     
    My take is that all the hard work was done by the time the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was put into law. All immigrants coming in afterwards were and are just glomming onto an already built coherent project. Secondarily I will say that Windows 95 opened up the internet which in a thousand ways has lead to the spaced out and crazy America we have today. With the portable internet via the Apple iPhone coming out in 2007, this was also a huge contributor, bringing us all the cheaper android portable internet of today.
    So mark down the years 1965 and 1995 and 2007.
  75. MW says:

    Twenty years ago (according to my nostalgia-addled memory), an article with similar pro-immigrant sentiments would have included some respect for the people who built America. Isn’t it wonderful how they settled a continent, and built a system that absorbs immigrants so well!

    Somehow that morphed to, it’s a great place for immigrants, if only those lousy people who set the place up would get out of the way.

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  76. Dr. Doom says:

    Being an invader myself, I sympathize with the Huns he said. And that day he and his kind went to extinction.

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  77. Anonymouse says: • Website

    It’s a provocation, a leg pull, and you’re all falling for it.

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  78. Clyde says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, That's why my grandparents came to America, all the hard work was already done. Although surviving the Great Depression and hoping your children came back from WWII was kind of a bummer. Otherwise life was good.

    Buzz, That’s why my grandparents came to America, all the hard work was already done. Although surviving the Great Depression and hoping your children came back from WWII was kind of a bummer. Otherwise life was good.

    My take is that all the hard work was done by the time the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was put into law. All immigrants coming in afterwards were and are just glomming onto an already built coherent project. Secondarily I will say that Windows 95 opened up the internet which in a thousand ways has lead to the spaced out and crazy America we have today. With the portable internet via the Apple iPhone coming out in 2007, this was also a huge contributor, bringing us all the cheaper android portable internet of today.
    So mark down the years 1965 and 1995 and 2007.

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  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Bitfu hits a grand-salami with that one. On the other hand, the “you didn’t build that” humbug is simply another part of The Narrative and is designed to appeal to the Usual Suspects (including Stephens), not to the rest of us pilgrims who are adjudged too stupid to know better.

    As a footnote, recently saw Stephens and Peter Beinert (THERE’S a pair for you!) on TV being interviewed by some rabbi at–Where else?–the 92nd Street Y, kvetching about–What else?–Trump.

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  80. Kylie says:
    @Hunsdon
    Ah, America wasn't really America until we got a bunch of highly intelligent, bookish, neurotic Ashkenazi immigrants who could help us fulfill our promise by tearing down and changing everything we thought we'd built.

    Jews, man, is there anything they can't do?

    “Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?”
    Asbestos removal. They leave that to blacks, who apparently excel in that nation-building endeavor.

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    • Replies: @donut
    Hey Kylie , here is my first entry :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saurMhQHblc

    I like Film Noir and Robert Mitchum .

    "Anatomy of a Murder"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm_4TWatnzw

    "Hospital"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HftRP0NAJYg

    "Dr. Strangelove"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4

    "Platoon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90B5REGHc0w

    "Soldier In the Rain"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9nfAsX2qQ

    "Das Boot"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUInWKK8ROc

  81. Logan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system
     
    Actually, quite a few traditional(ist) Americans, from Russell Kirk to Bill Kauffman, have questioned the Interstates and/or the culture that spawned, and in turn was spawned by, them.

    They, like the atom bomb, zoning, and a dozen or more other sketchy things, were a progressive project that is inexplicably defended by "conservatives" of today. Who should rightly be called "neoconservatives", by definition and by default.

    I realize you were alluding to the skill it took to build them. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent.

    Or just reproduce it. Nothing is stopping you from staying off the interstates and driving the old US routes.

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    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent
     
    Yeah, you would be forced to see the country you live in and to interact with your fellow citizens. Can't have that!

    Drive-by is the middle-class counterpart of "flyover".
  82. fnn says:

    IDF reservists propagandizing for Israel on campus get only very minor pushback compared to the Milo, Ann Coulter and Charles Murray incidents:

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  83. @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Don’t forget the Trail of Tears.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Okay, we can go the other way: On your behalf, I'd like to thank the American Indians for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Does that make you feel better, Mr. Peugeot?
  84. eah says:

    OT (The periodic table of elements and the countries they were discovered in)

    Cool graphic:

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  85. syonredux says:

    Nationalism for me but not for thee:

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.

    The organization was established in January to counter the Breaking the Silence group, an NGO that provides anonymous testimonies of alleged IDF transgressions.

    Since its establishment, the group has expanded its activities to target the growing BDS movement, attracting the support of hundreds of IDF reservists, as well as military brass and MKs from across the political spectrum.

    According to Goldstof, the boycott movement is a manifestation of classic anti-Semitism “pure and simple” and he sees it as his civic duty to fight the phenomenon.

    “Old anti-Semitism wanted to see a world without Jews, and the new anti-Semitism wants to see a world without a Jewish country,” he said.

    Every week we are visiting more campuses and hearing lots of stories and learning more about BDS,” he said.

    For example, he said the group has learned that many of the leaders of BDS are Jewish and Israeli students in the US.

    “It is a lot about the identity of Jewish youth that is looking for the victim to identify with. We need to bring back the pride for Israel,” he said.

    The worry is more among the parents’ generation than among the younger generation, he explained.

    “The parents grew up with Israel not being something that can be taken for granted as opposed to the youth who grew up with the State of Israel and the IDF as something that has been there and that can be taken for granted.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Fighting-for-Israel-on-another-front-Reservists-on-Duty-group-counters-BDS-455398

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.
    , @Mr. Anon

    According to Goldstof, the boycott movement is a manifestation of classic anti-Semitism “pure and simple” and he sees it as his civic duty to fight the phenomenon.

    ......................

    For example, he said the group has learned that many of the leaders of BDS are Jewish and Israeli students in the US.
     
    So large numbers of jewish leaders make for "classic anti-semitism". Well, you learn something everyday. I had no idea the Black Hundreds and the SA were largely jewish affairs.
  86. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States just as a postal zone, an airport, a mall, or an investment opportunity, not as a country…

    Oh, and I’ve never felt affinity to the native population.

    I don’t get the big deal about American citizenship, everyone should have it. It’s a basic human right.

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  87. He does realize that if those who are lower on achievement/test scores are marked for deportation, he’d be deporting a disproportionately Black group of folks, yes … ?

    For further discussion. Whatever your views on the merits of the bill itself, what could have happened if they’d passed just the ’64 Civil Rights bill, but not the Great Society and the ’65 immigration bill. Would we have been more willing/able to really integrate Blacks into the mainstream … ? At the least, it would seem to me that we wouldn’t have the massive, Donk-voting urban underclass anchored in place by welfare that we are stuck with today.

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  88. It reminds me in general about statements about national culture and identity coming from the left these days, this utter denial of a moral foundation for a nation, or if acknowledging it, completely divorcing it from its ethno-cultural roots. It’s like what Macron said during his election run, French culture doesn’t exist in and of itself; there is no such thing as a single French culture. There is culture in France and it is diverse and multiple.” If a Frenchman can deny there being a fundamental French culture and people, it’s even worse for a newer country like America.

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  89. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people
     
    We realize Jews aren't worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens's name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The ‘we’ to whom you’re referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    That's right Reg. You are hereby ordered to ignore any and all men behind any and all curtains, or we will call you names and cause you to lose your job. Gotta problem with that?

    Similarly with the article in question: the goal is simple enough, but please be patient while we work out the details. They'll make sense by the time we're done.

    , @Mr. Anon
    You are free to leave. You won't be missed.
    , @Desiderius
    It's not obsession when they really are out to get you. Not all Jews are out to get us, nor are all those out to get us Jews, but the ones who are are a problem.
    , @27 year old
    The door is right over there, nobody will stop you leaving, trust
  90. syonredux says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Indeed. As for myself, I wish to thank the incoming hordes for giving us: Vector Calculus, Information Theory, the aeroplane, the phonograph, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the machine gun, the short story, integrated circuits, the detective story, electronic television, …….

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  91. fitzGetty says:
    @27 year old
    Schrodinger's proposition nation. It comes into being when immigrants arrive at it.

    … and calculate the figures for the Mars shot …

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  92. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.
     
    Indeed. As for myself, I wish to thank the incoming hordes for giving us: Vector Calculus, Information Theory, the aeroplane, the phonograph, the Morse-Vail telegraph, the revolver, the machine gun, the short story, integrated circuits, the detective story, electronic television, .......

    The “aeroplane”? Please tell me you are British.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    The “aeroplane”? Please tell me you are British.
     
    Seems more period-appropriate when speaking of the Wright Bros.
  93. Art Deco says:
    @syonredux
    Nationalism for me but not for thee:

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.
     

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.






    The organization was established in January to counter the Breaking the Silence group, an NGO that provides anonymous testimonies of alleged IDF transgressions.
     

    Since its establishment, the group has expanded its activities to target the growing BDS movement, attracting the support of hundreds of IDF reservists, as well as military brass and MKs from across the political spectrum.



    According to Goldstof, the boycott movement is a manifestation of classic anti-Semitism “pure and simple” and he sees it as his civic duty to fight the phenomenon.

    “Old anti-Semitism wanted to see a world without Jews, and the new anti-Semitism wants to see a world without a Jewish country,” he said.
     

    Every week we are visiting more campuses and hearing lots of stories and learning more about BDS,” he said.

    For example, he said the group has learned that many of the leaders of BDS are Jewish and Israeli students in the US.

    “It is a lot about the identity of Jewish youth that is looking for the victim to identify with. We need to bring back the pride for Israel,” he said.

    The worry is more among the parents’ generation than among the younger generation, he explained.

    “The parents grew up with Israel not being something that can be taken for granted as opposed to the youth who grew up with the State of Israel and the IDF as something that has been there and that can be taken for granted.”

     

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Fighting-for-Israel-on-another-front-Reservists-on-Duty-group-counters-BDS-455398

    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    And yet, somehow, the number of chosenites agitating in the US to get immigration under control, or even resisting the destruction of the Caucasian race anywhere at all, is vanishingly small. Coincidence no doubt.

    Most of us here are concerned with what's good for our country. You and your kind are only concerned with what you think is good for your tribe.

    The irony there is, as history has shown time and again, you're not even good at identifying what that is.

    , @syonredux

    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times.
     
    Does Stephens disagree with their actions?
    , @bored identity



    World Jewry is not some borg creature.

     

    Not at all.

    When bored identity thinks of Echo Chambering Chosenites, he likes to think of Uncle Shelby's venerable book "The Wandering Pando That Keeps On Giving."
    , @bored identity
    As always, you're full of public defecation - too bad we ain't in Colorado anymore.




    Goldstof, along with other members of the organization named Reservists on Duty, is currently touring college campuses and meeting with Jewish students and parents in the United States to learn firsthand about BDS and form partnerships with organizations fighting it.

     

    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that "Reservists on Duty", or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country's Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    Should spineless Murray and gutsy Coulter try to get to Berkeley with some IDF-cosplaying jumpsuit and home-made Israeli passport?
  94. Art Deco says:
    @Hunsdon
    Ah, America wasn't really America until we got a bunch of highly intelligent, bookish, neurotic Ashkenazi immigrants who could help us fulfill our promise by tearing down and changing everything we thought we'd built.

    Jews, man, is there anything they can't do?

    Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?

    This board is shot through with people who fancy Jewish wire pullers can buy and sell just about anyone and Jedi-mind trick them to boot.

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  95. Berty says:
    @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    I think the neocons are seething with rage at the moment. Both because they know they’ll never achieve the height of power they did during the Bush years and also because Trump has driven a permanent wedge between them and the GOP grassroots voter base. So they can’t help but project their true feelings about them.

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  96. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Art Deco
    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The 'we' to whom you're referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.

    That’s right Reg. You are hereby ordered to ignore any and all men behind any and all curtains, or we will call you names and cause you to lose your job. Gotta problem with that?

    Similarly with the article in question: the goal is simple enough, but please be patient while we work out the details. They’ll make sense by the time we’re done.

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  97. @Thomas
    Bret Stephens' mass deportation, Bill Kristol's "lazy white, working class" that should be replaced, David Brooks' and Jennifer Rubin's "dying white America"...

    Do these (((people))) just have no sense of irony or self-awareness? Or is this what having the cultural whip hand looks like: the ability to let your racialist id run wild while implicitly daring anyone to call you on it?

    I was going to ask the same thing. Do they at least realize we see their views as grossly hypocritical?
    My guess is they reflexively label any such accusation ‘anti-semitic’

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  98. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Art Deco
    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.

    And yet, somehow, the number of chosenites agitating in the US to get immigration under control, or even resisting the destruction of the Caucasian race anywhere at all, is vanishingly small. Coincidence no doubt.

    Most of us here are concerned with what’s good for our country. You and your kind are only concerned with what you think is good for your tribe.

    The irony there is, as history has shown time and again, you’re not even good at identifying what that is.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    And yet, somehow, the number of chosenites agitating in the US to get immigration under control, or even resisting the destruction of the Caucasian race anywhere at all, is vanishingly small. Coincidence no doubt.

    The number of people of any description engaging in any sort of political agitation (much less employed as opinion mongers) is almost invariably a single-digit minority.
  99. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "no sense of irony or self-awareness?"

    Nope ...

    I think that y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan – he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift’s “Modest Proposal” that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

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    • Agree: Stealth
    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.
     
    Do you likewise think that many anti-semitic statements (or those perceived to be so) are not meant to be taken at face value?
    , @Forbes
    That's an interesting interpretation--probably close to the mark, esp. "falls completely flat."

    I likened it to Gilda Radner's SNL character Emily Litella, who ended each editorial piece with "Never Mind" after having misunderstood (misheard) a significant fact. (A country belongs to its newcomers??)
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "I think that y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan"

    How you you know? After all, he isn't from here and in his mind, he (or those that immigrated to US as of late) really DID build all that.In one sense, he thinks he's being clever but its shallow, and, at one level, (assuming for a moment that he believes that the US is not a nation but an idea) he really does believe that he contributed to all that makes 21st century America great.
    , @syonredux
    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.
     
    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me.....
    , @Stealth
    Of course you're right about the whole piece, but I think the author was being a little bit honest when he said he thinks the country belongs to immigrants more than to the people who were born here. I also think that in his mind, the term "immigrant" covers more than just first and second generation immigrants.
    , @Harold
    Stewed, obviously.
    , @Tex

    I think that y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan – he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image.
     
    It cannot be emphasized enough that Trump's getting huge amounts of flak just for deporting illegal immigrants ie, not immigrants, but scofflaws who at best are here as cheap labor. More than anything else, the absolute worship of illegals in sanctuary cities does indicate a disdain for native born Americans, not to mention at least as much disdain for those who actually obey immigration law.
    , @Desiderius
    True, but he's also playing motte and bailey.

    Even taken as satire there's a hole in his point (blacks) you could drive a Mack truck through.
    , @tomv
    All immigration boosterism today reads like a parody. It's hard to know where the line is between the intentional and unintentional, but I doubt we are missing any important nuance.

    I take at face value Stephens's contempt for Americans and his preference for "newcomers." If you don't, why not?

    It is not borne of aversion to awarding points to "anti-semites, " is it? (Warning: this question requires self-awareness.)

    Whatever the case, here's more "satire" for you to explain away.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-24/american-prosperity-depends-on-a-nonwhite-future
    , @Cagey Beast
    The important difference between Bret Stephens and Jonathan Swift is that Swift was Irish. Swift using political satire to say "why don't you just eat our children?' and Stephens using it to say "why don't we just deport them?' are quite different.
    , @guest
    "I think y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan"

    Did you bother reading the comments? Because most of them are about the parts I imagine Stephens is on earnest about: newcomers being more American than Americans, America being a Proposition Nation, senior Americans being relatively worthless, etc. Not a great deal of us are posting on the "Naw, I'm just kidding" part about deportations.

    Stephens' work isn't Swiftian. It's garden-variety detached irony, which is useful for slipping out of nooses (and is natural to use for people who don't really believe anything). In any case, Stephens isn't being satirical throughout; that only holds for part of it. Which part is debatable, because he'd probably argue out of the whole thing if sufficiently pressed.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The deportation bit isn't serious, but the "immigrants are more American than Americans" bit is.
    , @Wilkey
    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for.

    A) It's not humorous.

    B) It' statistically deceitful, since a disproportionate share of those who would be deported (e.g., black, Hispanics, and Muslims) voted for open borders candidates. Those people, obviously, aren't the ones Stephens thinks we should deport.

    Stephens would sooner deport a Trump-voting mechanic who's been consistently employed for 38 years and responsibly raised three children than a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary.

    C) There is an extremely large body of people in public life already arguing for America as an "open borders" and "proposition" nation to which native-born citizens have no greater claim than someone from Mogadishu, so the only way to read it is seriously. A Modest Proposal can be read as satire only because there weren't thousands of publications around arguing - and seriously - for the exact same policy.
    , @Anonymous
    If you're being really generous you could say Stephens skewers an anti-immigration argument that hinges on crime and employment rates.

    But there's these forbidden ideas that nations aren't just aggregations of economic units, that the government ought to first serve its own rather than whatever wretched refuse that washes up its shores (as if the state doesn't have its hands full already), that Diversity is not an intrinsic good, that ethnic minority newcomer strivers are plugging into a culture that vilifies old-stock Americans, that the only Americans profiting from immigration are its bosses, etc., etc.

    Ideas so forbidden by the zeitgeist created by Stephenses across the political spectrum that he doesn't even have to acknowledge them, so he gives full flight to his contempt. He isn't joking when he says immigrants are more American than Americans.

    , @Thea
    Maybe if it wasn't one of many such articles calling for this dispossession of the white working class I could except it as satire. But it is just thinly veiled hostility. He truly desires this outcome but knows it can't happen.
  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The 'we' to whom you're referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.

    You are free to leave. You won’t be missed.

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  101. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux
    Nationalism for me but not for thee:

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.
     

    A group of IDF reservists is preparing for a fight on another front – countering the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement sweeping its way across US college campuses.

    “We must create a shock wave [to fight BDS] because, otherwise, the efforts are just not working at the moment,” Amnon Goldstof, co-founder of Reservists on Duty, told The Jerusalem Post recently.






    The organization was established in January to counter the Breaking the Silence group, an NGO that provides anonymous testimonies of alleged IDF transgressions.
     

    Since its establishment, the group has expanded its activities to target the growing BDS movement, attracting the support of hundreds of IDF reservists, as well as military brass and MKs from across the political spectrum.



    According to Goldstof, the boycott movement is a manifestation of classic anti-Semitism “pure and simple” and he sees it as his civic duty to fight the phenomenon.

    “Old anti-Semitism wanted to see a world without Jews, and the new anti-Semitism wants to see a world without a Jewish country,” he said.
     

    Every week we are visiting more campuses and hearing lots of stories and learning more about BDS,” he said.

    For example, he said the group has learned that many of the leaders of BDS are Jewish and Israeli students in the US.

    “It is a lot about the identity of Jewish youth that is looking for the victim to identify with. We need to bring back the pride for Israel,” he said.

    The worry is more among the parents’ generation than among the younger generation, he explained.

    “The parents grew up with Israel not being something that can be taken for granted as opposed to the youth who grew up with the State of Israel and the IDF as something that has been there and that can be taken for granted.”

     

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Fighting-for-Israel-on-another-front-Reservists-on-Duty-group-counters-BDS-455398

    According to Goldstof, the boycott movement is a manifestation of classic anti-Semitism “pure and simple” and he sees it as his civic duty to fight the phenomenon.

    ………………….

    For example, he said the group has learned that many of the leaders of BDS are Jewish and Israeli students in the US.

    So large numbers of jewish leaders make for “classic anti-semitism”. Well, you learn something everyday. I had no idea the Black Hundreds and the SA were largely jewish affairs.

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  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Do you likewise think that many anti-semitic statements (or those perceived to be so) are not meant to be taken at face value?

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  103. Forbes says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    That’s an interesting interpretation–probably close to the mark, esp. “falls completely flat.”

    I likened it to Gilda Radner’s SNL character Emily Litella, who ended each editorial piece with “Never Mind” after having misunderstood (misheard) a significant fact. (A country belongs to its newcomers??)

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  104. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler’s Autobahns.

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    • Replies: @tomv
    He said "incoming" hordes. Nazi rocket scientists are not coming to American in 2017, and they are not retroactively building the Apollo program.

    Unless the purpose is to side with Stephens (which you'll deny), your disingenuous oneupmanship only serves to put people off. Not your fault, though. I doubt you can help yourself.
    , @Art Deco
    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    No, there would have been a moon landing run by domestically-trained aerospace engineers, perhaps at a later date.



    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler’s Autobahns.

    They broke ground on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1938, before there were any completed Autobahns.
    , @Johann Ricke

    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.
     
    Wasn't the lack of rocket advancements stateside due to lack of funding rather than inspiration? IIRC, the Germans lifted a lot of Goddard's ideas. And it wasn't firing a rocket at the moon that was the principal problem - it was sending a manned vehicle there, doing a controlled landing and bringing it back.
  105. Quite right Jack.
    Americans don’t get this sort of humour: it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that a good number of them took Swift seriously back in the day.

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  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    David Brooks wrote a book called “The Road to Character” while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    The Road to Character is paved with infidelity.

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  107. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, "Gee wiz, that's great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we're building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That's so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, "Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I'm glad we went."

    Personally, I'm glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.

    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private – the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!

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    When Iraq invaded Kuwait, Saddam's troops rolled unopposed down the freeway that the two countries had built as a symbol of their friendship.

    When the Iraqis tried to retreat, going back the way they came, our boys turned that road into the Highway of Death.
    , @carol
    In Ike's day it was conceivable that an enemy would land on one or more coasts, necessitating the swift movement of troops and materiel from the hinterlands.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    if France had interstate highways!
     
    France doesn't even have states.
    , @Art Deco
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area

    The Bureau of Public Roads, which mapped out and partially financed the U.S. Route system, was founded in 1916.
  108. @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    “I think that y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan”

    How you you know? After all, he isn’t from here and in his mind, he (or those that immigrated to US as of late) really DID build all that.In one sense, he thinks he’s being clever but its shallow, and, at one level, (assuming for a moment that he believes that the US is not a nation but an idea) he really does believe that he contributed to all that makes 21st century America great.

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  109. Question: What about the wall? Who’s gonna build that? Those that came after or those that were already here to begin with?

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  110. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The "aeroplane"? Please tell me you are British.

    The “aeroplane”? Please tell me you are British.

    Seems more period-appropriate when speaking of the Wright Bros.

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  111. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    I’m reminded of the aphorism, “You may not be interested in war, but …”

    Anti-Semites and Jews have a lot in common. The two groups that are most interested in Jews – about which prominent figures are Jewish, about how much money they have, etc. appear to me to be (1) anti-Semites and (2) Jews. Most other people don’t give a damn whether Harrison Ford or Travis Kalanick is Jewish or not.

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    On the other hand nobody, least of all WASPs, has even remotely the same interest in WASPs as Jews do.

    (I suppose the mirror image would be Western antisemites' unrequited obsession over Palestinians).
    , @Cagey Beast
    This is quite true; both politically-minded Jews and anti-Semites assume Jews are are the stars in every drama and the reason why bad people get out of bed in the morning. In the last US election, both the alt-right Pepe troll army and the respectable Jewish media went for long stretches trying to make it all about the Jews.

    The examples of prominent Jews trying to bring down Trump by tarring him with a Hitler moustache are too numerous to list but here's one: https://soundcloud.com/theeconomist/special-relationship-8-alt-right-or-wrong Bill Kristol rules the presidental races of Trump, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan out of bounds for, you guessed it, anti-Semitism. Challenging Kristol & Friends for power makes one pretty much an anti-Semite, I guess. That assumes Trump, Paul and Buchanan didn't have more pressing political motives than sticking it to the Jews.

    On the Alt-Right, Pepe meme side of things during the election, the repeated bursts of taunting and trolling on Jewish themes was only motivated by genuine anti-Semitism in a minority of cases. Mostly it was the social media equivalent of throwing firecrackers at people's heads to knock them off their game. It was also a collective "oh go f**k yourselves!" to the people claiming Trump was the next Hitler. His supporters just wanted to be able to have someone, anyone speaking for them in political life while the Kurt Eichenwald types were constantly running to Mommy to get their political opponents banned for "hate".

    Now that the election is over, the actual anti-Semites of the David Duke and Daily Stormer are variety are back to agreeing with Kristol & Friends that it's all about the Jews. Most other people have moved on.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Ho-hum, more innuendo. Instead of glumly dropping the phrase “anti-Semites” in every response to me, up your argument game. You’ve laid some lazy (#89) whoppers (#278) over the months. If you’re gonna disagree, at least bring some rhetorical dexterity. Work that brain, Jack!

    Otherwise, you’re in danger of deplorable me (#58) getting into your head. (#12) Which may not be a bad thing after all—I don’t dislike you, Jack. You’re a prolific regular here, and I respect that. I merely want to help you improve. (#204) ;)
  112. syonredux says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.

    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me…..

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It's part satire of a strawman, part ironically saying what he's afraid to say straight.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    You are correct. The deportation part is not meant to be taken seriously, but the characterization of the white working class and poor as scum, far less desirable as citizens than Third World immigrants, reflects his honest opinion.
    , @Dave Pinsen

    So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?
     
    The conceit that these attributes are all held by the same people is lame.

    You want fecund and religious? Import Pakistani Muslims.

    You want law-abiding and (maybe) idea-generating? Import Northwest Europeans and Japanese.

    If immigrants were such idea generators, every Chinese restaurant in America wouldn't have almost exactly the same menu, and Chipotle would have been created by a Mexican immigrant instead of this guy:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/867854486827651073
    You want enterprising? Why?. The third world is full of enterprising poor people, the kind who will sell you a bottle of water when you're stuck in a São Paulo traffic jam. Enterprising ≠ Steve Jobs. It also means someone who's desperate and can't break into the formal economy.
    , @Anon7
    "...its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people..."

    The average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.

    The average immigrant household consumes 33 percent more cash welfare, 57 percent more food assistance, and 44 percent more Medicaid dollars than the average native household. Housing costs are about the same for both groups.

    At $8,251, households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico have the highest welfare costs of any sending region — 86 percent higher than the costs of native households.

    Illegal immigrant households cost an average of $5,692 (driven largely by the presence of U.S.-born children), while legal immigrant households cost $6,378.

    The greater consumption of welfare dollars by immigrants can be explained in large part by their lower level of education and larger number of children compared to natives. Over 24 percent of immigrant households are headed by a high school dropout, compared to just 8 percent of native households. In addition, 13 percent of immigrant households have three or more children, vs. just 6 percent of native households.

    http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households

     

  113. syonredux says:
    @Art Deco
    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.

    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times.

    Does Stephens disagree with their actions?

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  114. Stealth says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Of course you’re right about the whole piece, but I think the author was being a little bit honest when he said he thinks the country belongs to immigrants more than to the people who were born here. I also think that in his mind, the term “immigrant” covers more than just first and second generation immigrants.

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  115. George says:

    Stephens: You Didn’t Build That, the Immigrants Who Arrived Today Built That

    More like:

    Stephens: You aren’t going to build That, the Immigrants Who Arrived Today are going to build Build That.

    Stephens: You won’t do That meanial job, the Immigrants Who Arrived Today will do that menial job That

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  116. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    Anti-Semites and Jews have a lot in common. The two groups that are most interested in Jews - about which prominent figures are Jewish, about how much money they have, etc. appear to me to be (1) anti-Semites and (2) Jews. Most other people don't give a damn whether Harrison Ford or Travis Kalanick is Jewish or not.

    On the other hand nobody, least of all WASPs, has even remotely the same interest in WASPs as Jews do.

    (I suppose the mirror image would be Western antisemites’ unrequited obsession over Palestinians).

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  117. Harold says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Stewed, obviously.

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  118. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people
     
    We realize Jews aren't worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Steve even misspelled Bret Stephens's name above, which goes to show how important the guy is.

    For BS, I prefer Bart Simpson.

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    Yes, especially if you are young. Full blooded Jews, as a share of the US white population, are down about 80% from their peak circa 1920-1950 due to intermarriage and low birth rate. The remainder are far more chill and less striving or are poorly educated hasids or ultraorthodox.

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    Pinch may be chill, but his incompetence enables a lot a bad shit to go down.
  119. @Art Deco
    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The 'we' to whom you're referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.

    It’s not obsession when they really are out to get you. Not all Jews are out to get us, nor are all those out to get us Jews, but the ones who are are a problem.

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  120. Tex says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    I think that y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan – he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image.

    It cannot be emphasized enough that Trump’s getting huge amounts of flak just for deporting illegal immigrants ie, not immigrants, but scofflaws who at best are here as cheap labor. More than anything else, the absolute worship of illegals in sanctuary cities does indicate a disdain for native born Americans, not to mention at least as much disdain for those who actually obey immigration law.

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  121. @syonredux
    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.
     
    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me.....

    It’s part satire of a strawman, part ironically saying what he’s afraid to say straight.

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  122. @Lot

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    Yes, especially if you are young. Full blooded Jews, as a share of the US white population, are down about 80% from their peak circa 1920-1950 due to intermarriage and low birth rate. The remainder are far more chill and less striving or are poorly educated hasids or ultraorthodox.

    Pinch may be chill, but his incompetence enables a lot a bad shit to go down.

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  123. Lot says:
    @snorlax
    Though I remain just as firmly in the anti-antisemite bloc of Sailer commenters (it's admittedly been a month or two since I've been accused of being a closet Jew or Hasbara, but that's probably because Trump's sucked up all the oxygen), both parts of this statement are objectively true.

    White (ex-)Christian Americans are, by far, in word and deed the most philosemitic non-Jewish people who've ever existed, which is remarkable, and it's very much to our credit, which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge or even betray awareness of. (In fairness, in my experience Israeli Jews and ex-USSR immigrant Jews are quite grateful for our friendship and will frequently say so).

    Anyway, I'll admit that Stephens' piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it's clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my "9" and "0" keys.

    But then, if you showed it to any, Jew or otherwise, of the Goodwhites of Massachusetts, among whom I live, they would simply nod along to the whole thing before the obligatory "like" and "share." So it's hard to get angry at Jews in particular, especially since, now that I'm thinking about it, most of the open Trump supporters (which doesn't describe me outside them and my immediate family; can't risk getting blacklisted from employment for life) I know in real life are Jews.

    But man, B.S., f*** that guy.

    which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge

    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work? Should Jews stop random non-Jews on the street to thank them?

    What other ethnic groups owe acknowledgement of American love? Americans seem to love Irish culture and we’ve had positive trade and diplomatic relations with them for a long time. The US tolerance of Ireland’s tax-haven status is worth far more than our military aid to Israel.* Should Irish Americans be thankful for these transfers to their distant coethnics?

    *(American and European corporations move their intellectual property to Irish subsidiaries, and then reduce or eliminate their taxable income by paying all their profits as “licensing fees” to their Irish subsidiaries. If you want to see the practical result of this, per capita GDP in Northern Ireland is about $25,000, in Ireland itself it is about $65,000.)

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    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work?
     
    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start. Don't you think? Pretty shocking you have to ask given that you read iSteve. I used to take you seriously as a commenter, but between this and your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge I might reconsider.

    And then there's the whole idea of praise vs. criticism we discussed in another iSteve thread. Constantly harping on what America does wrong (racism!) is the opposite of appreciation.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America come back to me with your analogy. (and I agree with you about the ridiculousness of the US tax treatment of Irish subsidiaries)
  124. @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    True, but he’s also playing motte and bailey.

    Even taken as satire there’s a hole in his point (blacks) you could drive a Mack truck through.

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    there’s a hole in his point (blacks) you could drive a Mack truck through

     

    Also, he says "immigrants", when it should be "descendants of immigrants since 1990".
  125. tomv says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    All immigration boosterism today reads like a parody. It’s hard to know where the line is between the intentional and unintentional, but I doubt we are missing any important nuance.

    I take at face value Stephens’s contempt for Americans and his preference for “newcomers.” If you don’t, why not?

    It is not borne of aversion to awarding points to “anti-semites, ” is it? (Warning: this question requires self-awareness.)

    Whatever the case, here’s more “satire” for you to explain away.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-24/american-prosperity-depends-on-a-nonwhite-future

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  126. @Buzz Mohawk
    Apparently the United States of America is a teleological enterprise.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    And the transcontinental railroad–that golden spike must have been forged by a Somalian. Well, okay, he stole the gold to build it, but still . . .

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  127. Harold says:

    Stephens’ column reminds me of a topsy-turvy version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant.

    Stephens’ immigrant combines brilliance at science talent competitions with religious—especially Christian—piety.

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  128. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Jack D
    Anti-Semites and Jews have a lot in common. The two groups that are most interested in Jews - about which prominent figures are Jewish, about how much money they have, etc. appear to me to be (1) anti-Semites and (2) Jews. Most other people don't give a damn whether Harrison Ford or Travis Kalanick is Jewish or not.

    This is quite true; both politically-minded Jews and anti-Semites assume Jews are are the stars in every drama and the reason why bad people get out of bed in the morning. In the last US election, both the alt-right Pepe troll army and the respectable Jewish media went for long stretches trying to make it all about the Jews.

    The examples of prominent Jews trying to bring down Trump by tarring him with a Hitler moustache are too numerous to list but here’s one: https://soundcloud.com/theeconomist/special-relationship-8-alt-right-or-wrong Bill Kristol rules the presidental races of Trump, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan out of bounds for, you guessed it, anti-Semitism. Challenging Kristol & Friends for power makes one pretty much an anti-Semite, I guess. That assumes Trump, Paul and Buchanan didn’t have more pressing political motives than sticking it to the Jews.

    On the Alt-Right, Pepe meme side of things during the election, the repeated bursts of taunting and trolling on Jewish themes was only motivated by genuine anti-Semitism in a minority of cases. Mostly it was the social media equivalent of throwing firecrackers at people’s heads to knock them off their game. It was also a collective “oh go f**k yourselves!” to the people claiming Trump was the next Hitler. His supporters just wanted to be able to have someone, anyone speaking for them in political life while the Kurt Eichenwald types were constantly running to Mommy to get their political opponents banned for “hate”.

    Now that the election is over, the actual anti-Semites of the David Duke and Daily Stormer are variety are back to agreeing with Kristol & Friends that it’s all about the Jews. Most other people have moved on.

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  129. Off Topic (Well, it also reflects insanity…):

    The brainwashing going on in Sweden, of note:

    The Sapir-Whorf Phenomenon acknowledged and exploited:

    Hen, a still rarely used gender-neutral pronoun that first came into use in the 1960s, but only made the official dictionary two years ago, has replaced han (“he”) and hon (“she”).

    Subliminal encouragement of miscegenation and the idea that Arabs are Swedes:

    We don’t say, “Frida, she’s so beautiful, cute and helpful,” and “Mohammed is so wild and tough.” Rajalin tells the audience.

    (Of course, one needn’t say it; Mohammad’s rape of Frida makes it go without saying…)

    There’s globalism, because all countries* should be the same:

    All Swedish preschools are pretty right-on from the perspective of most other countries.

    And, of course, the nebulously cited opponents of the whole debacle are irrational (no need to print or refute their views; just trust the reporter that those views are irrational, as that journalist in turn takes the administrators’ unbiased word for it that the those way they run their schools is best…):

    There are a lot of letters, mail, blogs,” she told The New York Times in 2012. “But it’s not so much arguments; it’s anger, basically.”

    Anger, of course, is a Bad Thing…unless one is angry about Enumerated & Approved Ists and Isms.

    *All countries of white people, of course; needless to say China should remain Chinese, Israel Israeli, India Indian, Nigeria Nigerian…anything else would destroy the autochthonous populace….

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  130. res says:
    @Lot

    which the bulk of the direct beneficiaries rarely acknowledge
     
    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work? Should Jews stop random non-Jews on the street to thank them?

    What other ethnic groups owe acknowledgement of American love? Americans seem to love Irish culture and we've had positive trade and diplomatic relations with them for a long time. The US tolerance of Ireland's tax-haven status is worth far more than our military aid to Israel.* Should Irish Americans be thankful for these transfers to their distant coethnics?

    *(American and European corporations move their intellectual property to Irish subsidiaries, and then reduce or eliminate their taxable income by paying all their profits as "licensing fees" to their Irish subsidiaries. If you want to see the practical result of this, per capita GDP in Northern Ireland is about $25,000, in Ireland itself it is about $65,000.)

    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work?

    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start. Don’t you think? Pretty shocking you have to ask given that you read iSteve. I used to take you seriously as a commenter, but between this and your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge I might reconsider.

    And then there’s the whole idea of praise vs. criticism we discussed in another iSteve thread. Constantly harping on what America does wrong (racism!) is the opposite of appreciation.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America come back to me with your analogy. (and I agree with you about the ridiculousness of the US tax treatment of Irish subsidiaries)

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    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start.
     
    But isn't mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms? Jews are disproportionately both, and have disproportionately anti-white attitudes as a result. I'd like that to change, but direct anti-semitism or "Jews are hypocrites" will not be productive of this.

    And the issue is resolving itself in any case as American Jews either intermarry, die childless, or become Republican-voting Torah-thumpers.

    your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge
     
    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America
     
    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine "existing America." Capital always profits from more labor. How many of the richest 200 non-jews in America have done a thing to stop mass immigration? There is Ross Perot, Peter Thiel indirectly by giving Trump a lot of money and support, and that's all I can think of. Steve claims there is another he does not want to out. Weigh that against just the Koch Brothers, who gave us Ryan as Speaker and heavily funded open-borders "think tanks," including the Cato Institute BS study Bret Stephens cited.
  131. tomv says:
    @Jack D
    As well you should - without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler's Autobahns.

    He said “incoming” hordes. Nazi rocket scientists are not coming to American in 2017, and they are not retroactively building the Apollo program.

    Unless the purpose is to side with Stephens (which you’ll deny), your disingenuous oneupmanship only serves to put people off. Not your fault, though. I doubt you can help yourself.

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  132. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This line of justifying illegal immigration (and anything else that walks off the boat) by claiming they are more industrious is becoming commonplace talk among liberals and neocons alike. From neocons, its a thinly-veiled appeal to the conservative white masses by claiming they are making the country more productive (pay no attention to the fact that these people would be slowly replacing your families and bringing down your wages). Nationalism so extreme that you put aside your blood for your country.

    It’s even more ludicrous, sheer hypocrisy when coming from liberals. Constantly pushing the need to help the poor minorities among America (because that’s ‘who we are’), yet we should give not give a damn about Americans who can’t keep up, but instead replace them with ‘more industrious’ foreigners. And we need to help all these huddled incompetent refuse because ‘that’s who we are’, yet these same people who were not competent enough to become mighty lords of industry in their own country will somehow magically do so here. And if nationalism is so bad, why should we practice such an extreme form of it that we would push aside our own children for the nation? And if we are to focus on productivity, then should we have honest talk about which Americans are so less productive than others? Wouldn’t it follow to find out who they are and have them replaced instead of productive Americans? And to find out which immigrants were not being so productive, causing crime, living off welfare, etc, and have them removed?

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    They are more industrious.

    "Industrious" means cheaper, right?
    , @Prof. Woland
    I have a theory that I have been working on that it is much easier to push pro-immigration propaganda if you are making it look like you are acting altruistically rather than in your self interest. When commercial actors (cheap labor lobby) stress immigration they talk up diversity, and equality, and family values, etc. Anything but what they are really trying to do which is blow out the floor on the labor market. The same is true for the ethnic lobby. They are the ones who are bellyaching about crops rotting in the fields and a "day without a Mexican" type rhetoric. They don't care a hoot how much a white liberal suburban housewife pays for her strawberry's. When the LaRaza types are exposed for their real agenda they look like the cow's ass.

    This is why comprehensive immigration reform is so critical to their coalition. It is a political solution not an economic one. Putting up a wall will really not impact the high-tech lobby or most industries in this country but if that part of our immigration problem is solved, then they are next. Like a herd of zebras, they are all hoping their stripes will keep the predators from singling them out.
  133. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    The important difference between Bret Stephens and Jonathan Swift is that Swift was Irish. Swift using political satire to say “why don’t you just eat our children?’ and Stephens using it to say “why don’t we just deport them?’ are quite different.

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  134. Lot says:
    @res

    So how would this acknowledgement of American philosemitism that you find lacking work?
     
    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start. Don't you think? Pretty shocking you have to ask given that you read iSteve. I used to take you seriously as a commenter, but between this and your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge I might reconsider.

    And then there's the whole idea of praise vs. criticism we discussed in another iSteve thread. Constantly harping on what America does wrong (racism!) is the opposite of appreciation.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America come back to me with your analogy. (and I agree with you about the ridiculousness of the US tax treatment of Irish subsidiaries)

    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start.

    But isn’t mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms? Jews are disproportionately both, and have disproportionately anti-white attitudes as a result. I’d like that to change, but direct anti-semitism or “Jews are hypocrites” will not be productive of this.

    And the issue is resolving itself in any case as American Jews either intermarry, die childless, or become Republican-voting Torah-thumpers.

    your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge

    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America

    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine “existing America.” Capital always profits from more labor. How many of the richest 200 non-jews in America have done a thing to stop mass immigration? There is Ross Perot, Peter Thiel indirectly by giving Trump a lot of money and support, and that’s all I can think of. Steve claims there is another he does not want to out. Weigh that against just the Koch Brothers, who gave us Ryan as Speaker and heavily funded open-borders “think tanks,” including the Cato Institute BS study Bret Stephens cited.

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    But isn’t mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms?
     
    That's it to a large degree, but I don't know how to assess who or what is driving that. I do have a sense that Jews are punching above their weight there as in so many things (both good and bad) though.

    but direct anti-semitism or “Jews are hypocrites” will not be productive of this.
     
    That's a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as "anything Jews don't like" and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism. And this from a group which seems to consider it normal and acceptable to criticize everyone else per Jack D's comments elsewhere. Thinking again about those comments I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of having that culture and then replying to virtually any criticism of themselves with "anti-semite!" (as I think you have at least implied in your response to me) and grumbling about accusations of hypocrisy.

    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.
     
    That you have to ask says something ; ) The funny thing is, I don't know if you noticed but I was arguing your side in the India thread. What I was referring to was this comment about Scalise being in critical condition and the ensuing discussion: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-editorial-board-falls-for-its-own-retconning/#comment-1904939
    On taking another look at that, I might be being a bit hard on you. The original comment was ill considered speculation IMHO (not that I ever do that...), but it's not like you were thumping your chest about your knowledge in the area.

    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine “existing America.”
     
    Point well made, but I notice you did not give specific Irish examples thus underlining my original point IMHO. You also ignored the importance of Jews in the media. In a way that bothers me even more than the wealthy because the media so often pretends a claim to impartiality.
    , @Thea
    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It's like claiming the only victims of Islamic bombings in London are the ones facing Islamaphobia as a result.

    Perhaps the ADF paid Stephens to churn this crap out to get more donations as result of the Goyims' legitimate backlash.
  135. @Desiderius
    True, but he's also playing motte and bailey.

    Even taken as satire there's a hole in his point (blacks) you could drive a Mack truck through.

    there’s a hole in his point (blacks) you could drive a Mack truck through

    Also, he says “immigrants”, when it should be “descendants of immigrants since 1990″.

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  136. Altai says:

    OT: ‘Anti-Terror’ Coalition jet (Saudi?) shoots down Syrian jet bombing ISIS convoy, in Syria…
    Remember when the lies used to be elegant?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-18/us-led-coalition-shoots-down-syrian-warplane

    Just like commentators like Moon of Alabama said, ISIS are being allowed to leave Raqqa unmolested, similar to how their advance into Iraq was mysterious impossible to stop. How could USAF be expected to hit a bunch of white technicals on a black tarmac road in a flat desert on a day with clear skies?

    It’ll be interesting to see just what kind of insane blowback everybody involved but Israel will have to face this time.

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  137. Sean says:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/06/bret_stephens_is_an_expert_concern_troll.html

    Brett ‘One must at least be a Jew to tell the goyim how they may or may not talk about Israel’ Stevens also thinks something similar about who may or may talk about resticting immigration to the US, although he himself is not any kind of immigrant. Moreover, far from losing from it, immigration is good for his group (as he understands his group identity). The people who the country belongs to are the ones who own it , by virtue of which they ought to govern it, as John Jay said.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/06/bret_stephens_is_an_expert_concern_troll.html

    Stevens is a climate change denier, or at least sceptical that it going to be an unmanageable problem . He is optimistic about all peoples of the world, to an extent rarely seen outside characters from cartoons or children’s books. Except when it comes to the American goyim, for in truth there is no mistaking who he meant by “I speak of Americans whose families have been in this country for a few generations. Complacent, entitled and often shockingly ignorant on basic points of American law and history, they are the stagnant pool in which our national prospects risk drowning.

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  138. Anon7 says:

    I’m going to call this guy Bret Stephens a “coastal conservative”:

    “Bottom line: So-called real Americans are screwing up America. Maybe they should leave, so that we can replace them with new and better ones: newcomers who are more appreciative of what the United States has to offer, more ambitious for themselves and their children, and more willing to sacrifice for the future.”

    This is not a prod to pride; this is giving the middle finger to Middle America, white, black and Hispanic.

    Who exactly does he think will vote Republican? He’s one of those conservatives who are happier in the back seat, criticizing whoever is driving.

    Anyway, good news, Steve. When I tried to Google “Bret Stephens deportation” to find the link to NYT, I got this blog post.

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  139. guest says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    “I think y’all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan”

    Did you bother reading the comments? Because most of them are about the parts I imagine Stephens is on earnest about: newcomers being more American than Americans, America being a Proposition Nation, senior Americans being relatively worthless, etc. Not a great deal of us are posting on the “Naw, I’m just kidding” part about deportations.

    Stephens’ work isn’t Swiftian. It’s garden-variety detached irony, which is useful for slipping out of nooses (and is natural to use for people who don’t really believe anything). In any case, Stephens isn’t being satirical throughout; that only holds for part of it. Which part is debatable, because he’d probably argue out of the whole thing if sufficiently pressed.

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  140. @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    The deportation bit isn’t serious, but the “immigrants are more American than Americans” bit is.

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  141. @syonredux
    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.
     
    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me.....

    You are correct. The deportation part is not meant to be taken seriously, but the characterization of the white working class and poor as scum, far less desirable as citizens than Third World immigrants, reflects his honest opinion.

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    You are correct. The deportation part is not meant to be taken seriously,
     
    its not meant to be taken seriously like Trump-Julias Caesar is not meant to be taken seriously.

    but the characterization of the white working class and poor as scum
     
    funny he and his ilk spent 50+ years tearing at the fabric of society and now they are in contempt of the dysfunction they helped create.
  142. The stuff the MSM has printed and said recently has been so bizarre and unhinged that I completely missed the satire part of this. It struck me as just another ratchet upwards of the hate white men meme.

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  143. bjdubbs says:

    I said a couple of weeks ago that discussion would turn to deporting people who don’t earn enough to pay a universal basic tax, with heritage credits for blacks and hispanics. That’s where the inevitable logic of hard working immigrants, lazy Americans leads.

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  144. @Harry Baldwin
    You are correct. The deportation part is not meant to be taken seriously, but the characterization of the white working class and poor as scum, far less desirable as citizens than Third World immigrants, reflects his honest opinion.

    You are correct. The deportation part is not meant to be taken seriously,

    its not meant to be taken seriously like Trump-Julias Caesar is not meant to be taken seriously.

    but the characterization of the white working class and poor as scum

    funny he and his ilk spent 50+ years tearing at the fabric of society and now they are in contempt of the dysfunction they helped create.

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  145. res says:
    @Lot

    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start.
     
    But isn't mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms? Jews are disproportionately both, and have disproportionately anti-white attitudes as a result. I'd like that to change, but direct anti-semitism or "Jews are hypocrites" will not be productive of this.

    And the issue is resolving itself in any case as American Jews either intermarry, die childless, or become Republican-voting Torah-thumpers.

    your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge
     
    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America
     
    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine "existing America." Capital always profits from more labor. How many of the richest 200 non-jews in America have done a thing to stop mass immigration? There is Ross Perot, Peter Thiel indirectly by giving Trump a lot of money and support, and that's all I can think of. Steve claims there is another he does not want to out. Weigh that against just the Koch Brothers, who gave us Ryan as Speaker and heavily funded open-borders "think tanks," including the Cato Institute BS study Bret Stephens cited.

    But isn’t mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms?

    That’s it to a large degree, but I don’t know how to assess who or what is driving that. I do have a sense that Jews are punching above their weight there as in so many things (both good and bad) though.

    but direct anti-semitism or “Jews are hypocrites” will not be productive of this.

    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism. And this from a group which seems to consider it normal and acceptable to criticize everyone else per Jack D’s comments elsewhere. Thinking again about those comments I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of having that culture and then replying to virtually any criticism of themselves with “anti-semite!” (as I think you have at least implied in your response to me) and grumbling about accusations of hypocrisy.

    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.

    That you have to ask says something ; ) The funny thing is, I don’t know if you noticed but I was arguing your side in the India thread. What I was referring to was this comment about Scalise being in critical condition and the ensuing discussion: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-editorial-board-falls-for-its-own-retconning/#comment-1904939
    On taking another look at that, I might be being a bit hard on you. The original comment was ill considered speculation IMHO (not that I ever do that…), but it’s not like you were thumping your chest about your knowledge in the area.

    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine “existing America.”

    Point well made, but I notice you did not give specific Irish examples thus underlining my original point IMHO. You also ignored the importance of Jews in the media. In a way that bothers me even more than the wealthy because the media so often pretends a claim to impartiality.

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    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism.
     
    I don't think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century's German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

    As for "acceptable criticism," I don't think you will ever find me making arguments in the form "X is antisemitic, therefore wrong/evil." At most, I will dismiss them as so stupid as to not merit a response. But quite often I have addressed them on their merits and described why I think various criticisms of Jews are factually wrong. I have also said some are right, especially those that argue that Jews were very disproportionately behind various destructive 20th century political movements.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.
  146. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    No moon landing? Insane Jewish agitprop. Eye-rolling stuff.

    The US would have got there. It was the US aerospace industry that defeated the Axis aerospace industry, those German Nazi rocket scientists notwithstanding.

    Also, the Germans would have never got there as fast as the US. Look up the “all-up-testing” that the Germans fought against…

    “NASA’s Gutsy First Launch of the Saturn V Moon Rocket”:

    “…Drawing from his experiences with the U.S. Air Force’s ballistic missile program, he called for NASA to adopt an “all-up” approach to its rocket tests…

    …Mueller’s was an unconventional approach. Instead of beginning with a ballasted first-stage flight then adding a live second stage only when the first had been proven flightworthy, he wanted the very first Saturn V test to be done with all three live stages. He also wanted that first flight to carry a live Apollo Command and Service Module as payload…

    Von Braun and his team balked… They argued that consolidated testing made it impossible to pinpoint where failures occurred; they’d learned the hard way that testing a complicated rocket piece by piece was the only way to make sure each piece worked… It never paid to introduce more than one major change between tests.

    …In the end, it came down to rank. Where the Apollo program was concerned, Mueller outranked Von Braun and NASA implemented “all-up” testing for Apollo. It was a decision that ultimately saved the program.”

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  147. Of all places, BBC:

    http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20170614-the-new-subtle-ways-the-rich-signal-their-wealth

    the-new-subtle-ways-the-rich-signal-their-wealth
    My ( I.f.f.U.) family did not reach

    the level the country’s top 1% (people earning upwards of $300,000 per year)

    but we feel good.

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  148. Wilkey says:

    Stephens is a guy with a culturally appropriated surname – his real surname should be Ehrlich – who believes that America should be “the world’s policeman” but has never actually served in the military.

    I’m sure his three children are reasonably intelligent, but I doubt if any of them can hold a candle to the Intel Science Talent Search finalists. Perhaps the top three ISTS winners should ask Bret Stephens if he would disinherit his own three children in favor of them, since Stephens clearly and expressly believes that inheritance should be based on merit, not blood.

    Stephens clearly belongs to the neoconservative crowd which believes that America is a “proposition nation” rather than a nation of “blood and soil.” Well. Every great nation is a combination of ideas, beliefs, laws, blood, and soil. It is not really an either/or kind of thing. Despite the beliefs that have been retroactively applied to our founders, the fact is that probably most of them understood that this nation, if it was to prosper, required shared blood and beliefs to hold it together. Quite a few of them didn’t think much of the African race, and openly admitted it.

    Within a decade of the Constitution’s ratification the same generation of men who won our independence and authored our Constitution – a Constitution that promises to “ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity – passed a naturalization law limiting naturalization to whites. Then again just 17 years after winning the Civil War and freeing the slaves – and before the French gifted us the Statue of Liberty – Congress overwhelmingly passed severe restrictions on Chinese immigration. Probably most of the men in Congress back in 1882 had served in the Union Army that liberated the slaves, yet Americans today – very few of whom have risked their lives for anything – think themselves qualified to sit in judgment of that august body.

    Bret Stephens may pretend to have been writing tongue in cheek, but those of us who have been listening to the open borders neofeudalists for well over a decade now know that he was quite serious. The irony, though, is that if our government were to follow his prescription, a vastly disproportionate number of the people it would deport would be the very people who voted for the party that most fanatically and openly supports unrestricted immigration.

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    "Every great nation..."

    Stop right there. You must think of America as the un-nation, much like 7-Up is the uncola. We are a nation that's not a nation, unlike other mere nation-nations.

    Because Declaration of Independence/Statue of Liberty.

  149. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    “It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It’s to the credit of the American people.”

    But not in their best interests.

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  150. donut says:
    @Kylie
    "Jews, man, is there anything they can’t do?"
    Asbestos removal. They leave that to blacks, who apparently excel in that nation-building endeavor.
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    Thanks. We share several favorites. "Out of the Past" is one of my favorite noirs. I think Jane Greer makes the movie work. There's lots of good stuff in it but she is so beautiful, so seductive, so lethal.

    I really like "Anatomy of a Murder". Have seen the movie several times and read the novel. But it doesn't work for me as well. It's almost two movies combined; one with Jimmy Stewart and his pals that's very naturalistic and warm, the other about the intense and not terribly wholesome dynamics of the Manion marriage.

    Dr. Strangelove and Das Boot are simply two of the best movies ever made. Das Boot is my favorite war movie.
  151. guest says:
    @Wilkey
    Stephens is a guy with a culturally appropriated surname - his real surname should be Ehrlich - who believes that America should be "the world's policeman" but has never actually served in the military.

    I'm sure his three children are reasonably intelligent, but I doubt if any of them can hold a candle to the Intel Science Talent Search finalists. Perhaps the top three ISTS winners should ask Bret Stephens if he would disinherit his own three children in favor of them, since Stephens clearly and expressly believes that inheritance should be based on merit, not blood.

    Stephens clearly belongs to the neoconservative crowd which believes that America is a "proposition nation" rather than a nation of "blood and soil." Well. Every great nation is a combination of ideas, beliefs, laws, blood, and soil. It is not really an either/or kind of thing. Despite the beliefs that have been retroactively applied to our founders, the fact is that probably most of them understood that this nation, if it was to prosper, required shared blood and beliefs to hold it together. Quite a few of them didn't think much of the African race, and openly admitted it.

    Within a decade of the Constitution's ratification the same generation of men who won our independence and authored our Constitution - a Constitution that promises to "ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity - passed a naturalization law limiting naturalization to whites. Then again just 17 years after winning the Civil War and freeing the slaves - and before the French gifted us the Statue of Liberty - Congress overwhelmingly passed severe restrictions on Chinese immigration. Probably most of the men in Congress back in 1882 had served in the Union Army that liberated the slaves, yet Americans today - very few of whom have risked their lives for anything - think themselves qualified to sit in judgment of that august body.

    Bret Stephens may pretend to have been writing tongue in cheek, but those of us who have been listening to the open borders neofeudalists for well over a decade now know that he was quite serious. The irony, though, is that if our government were to follow his prescription, a vastly disproportionate number of the people it would deport would be the very people who voted for the party that most fanatically and openly supports unrestricted immigration.

    “Every great nation…”

    Stop right there. You must think of America as the un-nation, much like 7-Up is the uncola. We are a nation that’s not a nation, unlike other mere nation-nations.

    Because Declaration of Independence/Statue of Liberty.

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    Stop right there. You must think of America as the un-nation, much like 7-Up is the uncola. We are a nation that’s not a nation, unlike other mere nation-nations.

    And as the world's premier un-nation we are entitled to two histories instead of just one - two histories never to be discussed at the same time.

    The first history is the Howard Zinn version, which is the history of nasty, evil WASPs oppressing one ethnic, racial or religious group after another.

    The second history is the one that tells us that what all those nasty, evil, racist WASP leaders really intended was for the United States to be the property of everyone in the world, and that native-born citizens have no right whatsoever to limit who comes here or in what numbers they come.
  152. Wilkey says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for.

    A) It’s not humorous.

    B) It’ statistically deceitful, since a disproportionate share of those who would be deported (e.g., black, Hispanics, and Muslims) voted for open borders candidates. Those people, obviously, aren’t the ones Stephens thinks we should deport.

    Stephens would sooner deport a Trump-voting mechanic who’s been consistently employed for 38 years and responsibly raised three children than a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary.

    C) There is an extremely large body of people in public life already arguing for America as an “open borders” and “proposition” nation to which native-born citizens have no greater claim than someone from Mogadishu, so the only way to read it is seriously. A Modest Proposal can be read as satire only because there weren’t thousands of publications around arguing – and seriously – for the exact same policy.

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    "a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary"
    and who is doing experimental research in three-parent genetics.
  153. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    If you’re being really generous you could say Stephens skewers an anti-immigration argument that hinges on crime and employment rates.

    But there’s these forbidden ideas that nations aren’t just aggregations of economic units, that the government ought to first serve its own rather than whatever wretched refuse that washes up its shores (as if the state doesn’t have its hands full already), that Diversity is not an intrinsic good, that ethnic minority newcomer strivers are plugging into a culture that vilifies old-stock Americans, that the only Americans profiting from immigration are its bosses, etc., etc.

    Ideas so forbidden by the zeitgeist created by Stephenses across the political spectrum that he doesn’t even have to acknowledge them, so he gives full flight to his contempt. He isn’t joking when he says immigrants are more American than Americans.

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  154. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    As well you should - without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler's Autobahns.

    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    No, there would have been a moon landing run by domestically-trained aerospace engineers, perhaps at a later date.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler’s Autobahns.

    They broke ground on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1938, before there were any completed Autobahns.

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    "They broke ground on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1938, before there were any completed Autobahns."

    from wiki:

    "
    The Merritt Parkway is the oldest scenic parkway in the United States. The portion from Greenwich to Norwalk was opened on June 29, 1938. The section from Norwalk to Trumbull was completed in November 1939 and in 1940 was finished to the Housatonic River in Stratford. The parkway was named for U.S. Congressman Schuyler Merritt, who was instrumental in enacting legislation allowing the parkway to be built. The Merritt Parkway is the first leg of what would later become the modern Route 15. Built between 1934 and 1940, the Merritt runs for 37 miles (60 km) from the New York state line in Greenwich to the Housatonic River in Stratford. It was conceived as a way to alleviate congestion on the Boston Post Road (U.S. Route 1) in Fairfield County."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merritt_Parkway

    The "Good Roads Movement"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_Movement
    , @Expletive Deleted
    And then there's the East Lancs Road, complete with prole-tier cycle lane alongside. The navvies went in Spring of '29, it was a big deal in my parents' memories.

    The A580 (officially the Liverpool-East Lancashire Road) is the United Kingdom's first purpose-built intercity highway.[1] The road, which remains a primary A road, was officially opened by King George V on 18 July 1934. It links Walton in Liverpool to Salford near Manchester. The road is known colloquially as the "East Lancs Road" or simply "the Lancs"
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A580_road
    [sips tea condescendingly]
  155. Lot says:
    @res

    But isn’t mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms?
     
    That's it to a large degree, but I don't know how to assess who or what is driving that. I do have a sense that Jews are punching above their weight there as in so many things (both good and bad) though.

    but direct anti-semitism or “Jews are hypocrites” will not be productive of this.
     
    That's a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as "anything Jews don't like" and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism. And this from a group which seems to consider it normal and acceptable to criticize everyone else per Jack D's comments elsewhere. Thinking again about those comments I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of having that culture and then replying to virtually any criticism of themselves with "anti-semite!" (as I think you have at least implied in your response to me) and grumbling about accusations of hypocrisy.

    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.
     
    That you have to ask says something ; ) The funny thing is, I don't know if you noticed but I was arguing your side in the India thread. What I was referring to was this comment about Scalise being in critical condition and the ensuing discussion: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-editorial-board-falls-for-its-own-retconning/#comment-1904939
    On taking another look at that, I might be being a bit hard on you. The original comment was ill considered speculation IMHO (not that I ever do that...), but it's not like you were thumping your chest about your knowledge in the area.

    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine “existing America.”
     
    Point well made, but I notice you did not give specific Irish examples thus underlining my original point IMHO. You also ignored the importance of Jews in the media. In a way that bothers me even more than the wealthy because the media so often pretends a claim to impartiality.

    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism.

    I don’t think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century’s German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

    As for “acceptable criticism,” I don’t think you will ever find me making arguments in the form “X is antisemitic, therefore wrong/evil.” At most, I will dismiss them as so stupid as to not merit a response. But quite often I have addressed them on their merits and described why I think various criticisms of Jews are factually wrong. I have also said some are right, especially those that argue that Jews were very disproportionately behind various destructive 20th century political movements.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.

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    "National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. "

    I think there were some factors other than German antisemitism involved.

    , @res

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.
     
    But it is OK for Jews to write articles in our largest circulating newspapers criticizing other whites. Including non-factual statements in some cases.

    Do you really not see how hypocritical all of this is?! I get that real anti-semitism is a problem (really, I have Jewish family members and friends, have had Jewish roommates, admire Jewish contributions to our society, etc.). But when you set up an environment where even factual criticism of Jews is considered anti-semitism then I have a problem (see also Jack D comments about how criticism is a part of Jewish culture, more hypocrisy). I'm getting to the point where "anti-semite" (with its current broad definition) has as much meaning to me as "racist" (with its current broad definition) does in the current year. And it's not good for the Jews that I and apparently others feel that way. You are alienating people who are most naturally your friends and allies.

    P.S. This last bit was fascinating. One might almost think the Jews got the better of the deal. Careful, that might hurt the victimhood narrative. (are you so lacking in introspection that you fail to see this?)

    How did last century’s German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

     

    , @fnn

    I don’t think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century’s German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans.
     
    The idea that WW2 was all about the Jews has long been considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. A common opinion among respectable historians is that WW2 was a continuation of WW1 with a twenty-year truce in between. And I don't think anyone believes WW1 had anything to do with anti-Semitism.
  156. @MC
    David Brooks wrote a book called "The Road to Character" while cheating on his wife with his much-younger research assistant *who helped him write the book*. Self-awareness is not his strong suit.

    Hey, it’s a long road… with plenty of detours and distractions!

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  157. “Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.”

    If that’s the case, you just made our point.

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    If that’s the case, you just made our point.
     
    Do you disagree at the lack of utility?

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik. To settle a score against Rosa Luxemburg and Emanuel Celler? To make Bret Stephens feel like a hypocrite? To establish as a purely intellectual matter the perfidy of the International Jew?
  158. @Ed
    It truly amazing that anti-semitism has never gained a stronger foothold in America. It's to the credit of the American people.

    To their credit? Nah, to their eternal shame. The lack of prophylaxis has sickened and may soon kill the disappearing “American people.” Stupid ignorance of treachery, greed and parasitism is not something to be proud of, no matter what the parasite tells you.

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  159. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    The “aeroplane”? Please tell me you are British.
     
    Seems more period-appropriate when speaking of the Wright Bros.

    Seems more like an affectation.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Yes, it does.

    Flying machine will do in a crunch, as will silver gleaming death machine.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Maybe he’s a fan of RHCP.
    , @syonredux

    Seems more like an affectation.
     
    Yeah, as I said, I was going for period-appropriate language.
  160. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux
    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.
     
    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me.....

    So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    The conceit that these attributes are all held by the same people is lame.

    You want fecund and religious? Import Pakistani Muslims.

    You want law-abiding and (maybe) idea-generating? Import Northwest Europeans and Japanese.

    If immigrants were such idea generators, every Chinese restaurant in America wouldn’t have almost exactly the same menu, and Chipotle would have been created by a Mexican immigrant instead of this guy:

    You want enterprising? Why?. The third world is full of enterprising poor people, the kind who will sell you a bottle of water when you’re stuck in a São Paulo traffic jam. Enterprising ≠ Steve Jobs. It also means someone who’s desperate and can’t break into the formal economy.

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  161. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    At first, when the NYT hired Stephens, I didn’t get the logic of it — why hire a guy who has the same opinions on everything as David Brooks? But now I do, and I see it was a smart move.

    The venture capitalist Albert Wenger says the most precious resource in today’s economy is attention. Stephens attracts attention.

    What other op/ed columnist gets this kind of attention on Steve’s blog and also manages to rile up the left (as Stephens did with his global warming column)?

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    • Replies: @guest
    This article probably riled up the left, too, considering it mentioned God and our country's greatness, which is too much like American Exceptionalism.

    Plus, some of them no doubt put together the fact that a lot of the Senior Americans he pretends to want to kick out are vibrant.
  162. @Jack D
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private - the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!

    When Iraq invaded Kuwait, Saddam’s troops rolled unopposed down the freeway that the two countries had built as a symbol of their friendship.

    When the Iraqis tried to retreat, going back the way they came, our boys turned that road into the Highway of Death.

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  163. Dee says:

    It might be satire; but then the (((loony left))) has been so batshit crazy the last 50+ years, it sounds like a true desire they’ve had. The whites are the only part of the population that could resist (((them))); vast majority of the non-whites are buffoons that could never get organized to ever resist.

    When organized mayhem is called for, nobody does it better than the whites…..

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    The whites are the only part of the population that could resist (((them)))
     
    Bingo.
  164. @Dave Pinsen
    Seems more like an affectation.

    Yes, it does.

    Flying machine will do in a crunch, as will silver gleaming death machine.

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  165. Anon7 says:
    @syonredux
    Of course this is satire.Stephens says so himself:

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.
     
    But people can also satirize what they really believe. And Stephens seems to really believe that immigrants are superior to the native-born:

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     

    That part sounds quite heartfelt to me.....

    “…its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people…”

    The average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.

    The average immigrant household consumes 33 percent more cash welfare, 57 percent more food assistance, and 44 percent more Medicaid dollars than the average native household. Housing costs are about the same for both groups.

    At $8,251, households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico have the highest welfare costs of any sending region — 86 percent higher than the costs of native households.

    Illegal immigrant households cost an average of $5,692 (driven largely by the presence of U.S.-born children), while legal immigrant households cost $6,378.

    The greater consumption of welfare dollars by immigrants can be explained in large part by their lower level of education and larger number of children compared to natives. Over 24 percent of immigrant households are headed by a high school dropout, compared to just 8 percent of native households. In addition, 13 percent of immigrant households have three or more children, vs. just 6 percent of native households.

    http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households

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  166. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “You want enterprising? Why?. The third world is full of enterprising poor people, the kind who will sell you a bottle of water when you’re stuck in a São Paulo traffic jam.”

    Hernando de Soto has lots of interesting work about such things:

    “…The main message of de Soto’s work and writings is that no nation can have a strong market economy without adequate participation in an information framework that records ownership of property and other economic information. Unreported, unrecorded economic activity results in many small entrepreneurs who lack legal ownership of their property, making it difficult for them to obtain credit, sell the business, or expand. They cannot seek legal remedies to business conflicts in court, since they do not have legal ownership. Lack of information on income prevents governments from collecting taxes and acting for the public welfare…

    …An elite minority enjoys the economic benefits of the law and globalization, while the majority of entrepreneurs are stuck in poverty, where their assets—adding up to more than US$10 trillion worldwide—languish as dead capital in the shadows of the law…”

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    I'm familiar with his work, but skeptical. Let's say the water bottle seller in São Paulo gets official recognition of his ownership of the shack he lives in. Then what? He can borrow against its ~$50 worth of equity to buy more water bottles?

    Detroit has everything Hernando De Soto laments the global poor lack, and yet most of its residents remain poor.
  167. Lot says:
    @Desiderius
    "Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites."

    If that's the case, you just made our point.

    If that’s the case, you just made our point.

    Do you disagree at the lack of utility?

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik. To settle a score against Rosa Luxemburg and Emanuel Celler? To make Bret Stephens feel like a hypocrite? To establish as a purely intellectual matter the perfidy of the International Jew?

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    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik.
     
    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don't listen. At all. As you are clearly demonstrating. What alternatives do you suggest?

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?

    P.S. It's really interesting to ponder a group that has specific words for others criticizing them, or hating them.
    , @Desiderius
    I'm actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it's a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    "In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health.

    There was even a word, dating back to those same Roman dicks who gave us this "de minimis" bullshit, for a system of law that assigned certain people special rights. This set of rights varied - but in almost every case, the right not to be offended (by those outside the subset) was the first and most basic. The word, in fact, was privilege. Meaning, in Roman dick-speak, private law."

    - Moldbug
  168. @Art Deco
    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.

    World Jewry is not some borg creature.

    Not at all.

    When bored identity thinks of Echo Chambering Chosenites, he likes to think of Uncle Shelby’s venerable book “The Wandering Pando That Keeps On Giving.”

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  169. Stealth says:

    Hey, Stephens’ article reveals another one of those liberal conflicts-of-position:

    1. The United States as is an illegitimate white supremacist nation founded upon racism (according to the likes of Bernie Sanders) and dispossession. God damn America!

    2. America is a wonderful place put on this Earth to serve as a receptacle for the world’s poor, tired, huddled masses. God bless the USA!

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  170. @Reg Cæsar

    Personally, I’d like to thank the incoming hordes for the interstate highway system
     
    Actually, quite a few traditional(ist) Americans, from Russell Kirk to Bill Kauffman, have questioned the Interstates and/or the culture that spawned, and in turn was spawned by, them.

    They, like the atom bomb, zoning, and a dozen or more other sketchy things, were a progressive project that is inexplicably defended by "conservatives" of today. Who should rightly be called "neoconservatives", by definition and by default.

    I realize you were alluding to the skill it took to build them. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

    The internet highway system was driven by Ike’s Defense Secretary, a former President of General Motors and was specifically designed to kill the rail network.

    Jaimes Corbett @Corbettreort.com is very good on this.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-310-rise-of-the-oiligarchs/

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  171. @Art Deco
    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.

    The 'we' to whom you're referring does not include half the participants on these boards. Intermittently, it does not include the moderator.

    The door is right over there, nobody will stop you leaving, trust

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    I'd try, even when he gets a little full of himself.

    Good critics are hard to find.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Indeed.
  172. newrouter says:
    @Art Deco
    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    No, there would have been a moon landing run by domestically-trained aerospace engineers, perhaps at a later date.



    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler’s Autobahns.

    They broke ground on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1938, before there were any completed Autobahns.

    “They broke ground on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1938, before there were any completed Autobahns.”

    from wiki:


    The Merritt Parkway is the oldest scenic parkway in the United States. The portion from Greenwich to Norwalk was opened on June 29, 1938. The section from Norwalk to Trumbull was completed in November 1939 and in 1940 was finished to the Housatonic River in Stratford. The parkway was named for U.S. Congressman Schuyler Merritt, who was instrumental in enacting legislation allowing the parkway to be built. The Merritt Parkway is the first leg of what would later become the modern Route 15. Built between 1934 and 1940, the Merritt runs for 37 miles (60 km) from the New York state line in Greenwich to the Housatonic River in Stratford. It was conceived as a way to alleviate congestion on the Boston Post Road (U.S. Route 1) in Fairfield County.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merritt_Parkway

    The “Good Roads Movement”

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  173. @Wilkey
    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for.

    A) It's not humorous.

    B) It' statistically deceitful, since a disproportionate share of those who would be deported (e.g., black, Hispanics, and Muslims) voted for open borders candidates. Those people, obviously, aren't the ones Stephens thinks we should deport.

    Stephens would sooner deport a Trump-voting mechanic who's been consistently employed for 38 years and responsibly raised three children than a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary.

    C) There is an extremely large body of people in public life already arguing for America as an "open borders" and "proposition" nation to which native-born citizens have no greater claim than someone from Mogadishu, so the only way to read it is seriously. A Modest Proposal can be read as satire only because there weren't thousands of publications around arguing - and seriously - for the exact same policy.

    “a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary”
    and who is doing experimental research in three-parent genetics.

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    and who is doing experimental research in three-parent genetics.

    No - that was actual satire, unlike Bret Stephens's article.
  174. carol says:
    @Jack D
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private - the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!

    In Ike’s day it was conceivable that an enemy would land on one or more coasts, necessitating the swift movement of troops and materiel from the hinterlands.

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  175. Stealth says:
    @Lot

    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism.
     
    I don't think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century's German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

    As for "acceptable criticism," I don't think you will ever find me making arguments in the form "X is antisemitic, therefore wrong/evil." At most, I will dismiss them as so stupid as to not merit a response. But quite often I have addressed them on their merits and described why I think various criticisms of Jews are factually wrong. I have also said some are right, especially those that argue that Jews were very disproportionately behind various destructive 20th century political movements.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.

    “National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. ”

    I think there were some factors other than German antisemitism involved.

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  176. res says:
    @Lot

    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism.
     
    I don't think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century's German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

    As for "acceptable criticism," I don't think you will ever find me making arguments in the form "X is antisemitic, therefore wrong/evil." At most, I will dismiss them as so stupid as to not merit a response. But quite often I have addressed them on their merits and described why I think various criticisms of Jews are factually wrong. I have also said some are right, especially those that argue that Jews were very disproportionately behind various destructive 20th century political movements.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.

    But it is OK for Jews to write articles in our largest circulating newspapers criticizing other whites. Including non-factual statements in some cases.

    Do you really not see how hypocritical all of this is?! I get that real anti-semitism is a problem (really, I have Jewish family members and friends, have had Jewish roommates, admire Jewish contributions to our society, etc.). But when you set up an environment where even factual criticism of Jews is considered anti-semitism then I have a problem (see also Jack D comments about how criticism is a part of Jewish culture, more hypocrisy). I’m getting to the point where “anti-semite” (with its current broad definition) has as much meaning to me as “racist” (with its current broad definition) does in the current year. And it’s not good for the Jews that I and apparently others feel that way. You are alienating people who are most naturally your friends and allies.

    P.S. This last bit was fascinating. One might almost think the Jews got the better of the deal. Careful, that might hurt the victimhood narrative. (are you so lacking in introspection that you fail to see this?)

    How did last century’s German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

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  177. res says:
    @Lot

    If that’s the case, you just made our point.
     
    Do you disagree at the lack of utility?

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik. To settle a score against Rosa Luxemburg and Emanuel Celler? To make Bret Stephens feel like a hypocrite? To establish as a purely intellectual matter the perfidy of the International Jew?

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik.

    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don’t listen. At all. As you are clearly demonstrating. What alternatives do you suggest?

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?

    P.S. It’s really interesting to ponder a group that has specific words for others criticizing them, or hating them.

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    • Replies: @Lot

    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don’t listen. At all.
     
    So you concede the point?

    As you are clearly demonstrating.
     
    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?

    What alternatives do you suggest?
     
    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:

    https://www.kobach2018.com/
    http://cis.org/

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?
     
    There is no practical benefit to me. For others, it makes money and allows them to posture as virtuous people.
  178. @Lot

    If that’s the case, you just made our point.
     
    Do you disagree at the lack of utility?

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik. To settle a score against Rosa Luxemburg and Emanuel Celler? To make Bret Stephens feel like a hypocrite? To establish as a purely intellectual matter the perfidy of the International Jew?

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    “In old Japan, it wasn’t illegal to be an asshole. It wasn’t even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai – if you weren’t a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, “microaggressing” against the protected class is hazardous to your health.

    There was even a word, dating back to those same Roman dicks who gave us this “de minimis” bullshit, for a system of law that assigned certain people special rights. This set of rights varied – but in almost every case, the right not to be offended (by those outside the subset) was the first and most basic. The word, in fact, was privilege. Meaning, in Roman dick-speak, private law.”

    - Moldbug

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    • Replies: @res
    I liked that quote enough that I had to chase down the original: https://licheninsect.tumblr.com/post/131974024905/technology-communism-and-the-brown-scare
    , @Lot

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.
     
    Above criticism? Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others. How many explicitly antisemite websites are there compared to anti-Italian or French, despite the ~10 to 1 difference in population?

    Moreover, it is largely elite non-Jews that have made antisemitism disrespectable.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Does Moldbug always write in that badass, "keepin' it cool for the kids" style? If he still does, doesn't he get that it's been done to death? We literally have the US Senator from New York repeatedly using the work "fuck" at a public event now. This is the same nice, White lady Senator who invited Mattress Girl to the State of the Union Address. Vulgarity is the new normal.
  179. @Art Deco
    A random resident of Israel (who may or may not be and IDF reservist) and Hy Rothstein, real estate agent in suburban Cleveland, are not responsible for something uttered by an editorial writer for the New York Times. Neither is being inconsistent when they advocate something incongruent with something said by Bret Stephens. World Jewry is not some borg creature.

    As always, you’re full of public defecation – too bad we ain’t in Colorado anymore.

    Goldstof, along with other members of the organization named Reservists on Duty, is currently touring college campuses and meeting with Jewish students and parents in the United States to learn firsthand about BDS and form partnerships with organizations fighting it.

    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that “Reservists on Duty”, or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country’s Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    Should spineless Murray and gutsy Coulter try to get to Berkeley with some IDF-cosplaying jumpsuit and home-made Israeli passport?

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that “Reservists on Duty”, or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country’s Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    You'll have to ask an attorney. He's a foreign citizen on a speaking tour. I doubt that's covered under that particular statute.
    , @anarchyst
    It's NOT normal for a foreign military to tour American college campuses.
    Israel is the one exception. Not only does Israel "recruit" Americans, it refuses to abide by IAEA agreements. Any other country doing so is not permitted to receive U S "foreign aid". Americans can freely serve in Israel's military without renouncing or fear of losing American citizenship. This is not true for any other country...
    AIPAC, despite being an "agent of a foreign government" is not required to register with the U S Stated Department as such. Any other foreign organization would be required to register and would be subject to restrictions regarding "agents of a foreign government".
    There are forty or so congressmen and senators who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel. There are THOUSANDS of influential "policy wonks" in the federal government who also hold "dual citizenship" with Israel.
    One can only wonder where their allegiances lie. Hint: It sure ain't with the United States.
    Dual citizenship must be abolished. All adherents to such must renounce their foreign citizenship or face mandatory permanent deportation.
  180. Thea says:
    @Jack D
    I think that y'all are missing that Stephens obviously has no desire to actually implement his plan - he is just pointing out what he perceives to be the weakness in the case for deportation of immigrants by presenting a satirical mirror image. This is like Swift's "Modest Proposal" that you could solve both the problem of malnutrition and overpopulation in Ireland by having the Irish eat their children.

    Stephens is no Swift and his satire falls completely flat, but by taking him at face value you are really missing something, which is that he is really not advocating for that which he says he is advocating for. Everything else is just trying to flesh out his one joke satire into the length of a full column and is not that well thought out. But it was never meant to be taken at face value and analyzed, no more than Swift meant you to argue over whether Irish babies are best served stewed or roasted.

    Maybe if it wasn’t one of many such articles calling for this dispossession of the white working class I could except it as satire. But it is just thinly veiled hostility. He truly desires this outcome but knows it can’t happen.

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  181. @27 year old
    The door is right over there, nobody will stop you leaving, trust

    I’d try, even when he gets a little full of himself.

    Good critics are hard to find.

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    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I’d try, even when he gets a little full of himself.
     
    Knock yourself out. You'll probably do so alone. And Art Deco doesn't "get a little full of himself" - he is always - a lot - full of himself.

    Good critics are hard to find.
     
    He isn't one (a good critic) - he's just a smug ass.
  182. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Seems more like an affectation.

    Seems more like an affectation.

    Yeah, as I said, I was going for period-appropriate language.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    The following is taken from "The Vocabulary of Aviation," published in The Evening Statesman of Walla Walla, Washington on Thursday, September 2, 1909:

    The Vocabulary of Aviation

    In the old days when the balloon was the only method of human levitation there was but that one word to denote the appliance. Ballooning was a sport and a means of entertainment rarely engaged in, a gradually diminishing novelty. Men talked hopefully of the evolution of the "flying machine." They spoke occasionally of the "airship" as representing the maximum of human ingenuity, to be later developed at the climax of this wonderful age of invention.

    Now the news prints are constantly filled with references to devices and with words that were utterly unknown even half a decade ago. The balloon has given place to the "dirigible." The word "gas bag" was for a long time used to distinguish the balloon kind of "flying machine" from the device which came later to be known as the "heavier than air" apparatus. Now that awkward designation of the non-gas-bag type has given place to the more specific "aeroplane," which is the generic name of all the soaring devices with or without motive power. The "glider" is the small plane without the means of self-propulsion. The aeroplane has now developed into three types according to the number of planes, known as the monoplane, the biplane and the triplane. There will probably be other variations, with their appropriate titles. The "helicopter" is in the experimental stage, an unproved type of machine.

    The tendency to abbreviation evolved first the word "airplane" instead of the longer and more awkward "aeroplane," and now the same tendency has led to the monosyllable "plane" as a short cut to a clear expression.
     
  183. Thea says:
    @Lot

    Less open scorn for flyover America and less attempting to race replace old stock Americans via immigration would be a good start.
     
    But isn't mass immigration and scorn for flyover simply elite and urban phenoms? Jews are disproportionately both, and have disproportionately anti-white attitudes as a result. I'd like that to change, but direct anti-semitism or "Jews are hypocrites" will not be productive of this.

    And the issue is resolving itself in any case as American Jews either intermarry, die childless, or become Republican-voting Torah-thumpers.

    your recent LARPing as an expert in areas where you appear to have little knowledge
     
    What is this a reference too? The recent posts about caste and IQ in India? I gave up on that when Matt admitted he thought black and white Americans have the same genotypical IQ. No point it debating someone who is so poorly informed or dishonest.

    When the Irish elite start undermining existing America
     
    All elites have an interest in and actively undermine "existing America." Capital always profits from more labor. How many of the richest 200 non-jews in America have done a thing to stop mass immigration? There is Ross Perot, Peter Thiel indirectly by giving Trump a lot of money and support, and that's all I can think of. Steve claims there is another he does not want to out. Weigh that against just the Koch Brothers, who gave us Ryan as Speaker and heavily funded open-borders "think tanks," including the Cato Institute BS study Bret Stephens cited.

    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It’s like claiming the only victims of Islamic bombings in London are the ones facing Islamaphobia as a result.

    Perhaps the ADF paid Stephens to churn this crap out to get more donations as result of the Goyims’ legitimate backlash.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It takes no chutzpah at all. American Jewry did not write this column, Bret Stephens did.
  184. res says:
    @Desiderius
    I'm actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it's a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    "In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health.

    There was even a word, dating back to those same Roman dicks who gave us this "de minimis" bullshit, for a system of law that assigned certain people special rights. This set of rights varied - but in almost every case, the right not to be offended (by those outside the subset) was the first and most basic. The word, in fact, was privilege. Meaning, in Roman dick-speak, private law."

    - Moldbug

    I liked that quote enough that I had to chase down the original: https://licheninsect.tumblr.com/post/131974024905/technology-communism-and-the-brown-scare

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  185. Yan Shen says:

    Off topic, but it appears that some white guy ran over Muslims outside of a mosque in London just now. Clearly a retaliatory attack for the recent terrorist incidents in the UK…

    https://www.ft.com/content/2a02510a-548b-11e7-80b6-9bfa4c1f83d2

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Well, if it's true, that would make one of the first times the White wolf they've all been crying wolf about has actually shown up. There was the Quebec City mosque shooting (the suspected perpetrator of which is currently in legal limbo) and then .... My memory fails me.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Not quite outside a mosque (there's a Pentecostal megachurch nearer, just across the road from the incident in Whadcoat Street; used to be the Rainbow, where Frank Zappa broke his leg, and a bit of a Rock Mecca. Happy days ... ), but fair enough they were wandering about near a muslim NAAFI/Px and other ethnic eateries open to cater to late night zealots.
    Hooky abu Hamza's erstwhile HQ, Finsbury Park mosque, is back under the railway and round the corner on St Thomas's Road.
    'scuse the Googlemess, here's a map
    The green-shuttered premises just by the railway bridges are the muslim mess-hall, the hit was where the red Google pin is, far left (behind the stupid side panel), if I've not made a pig's ear of the link.

    There's a lot of 'journalistic license' going on with this, as one might expect.
  186. I have often suspected that is one of the things that bugs the left about Halloween. It is a celebration where whites get to reach into our past and culturally appropriate our own history. We can flaunt it. It is a reminder of a glorious past that the newcomers can never take away.

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  187. @syonredux

    Seems more like an affectation.
     
    Yeah, as I said, I was going for period-appropriate language.

    The following is taken from “The Vocabulary of Aviation,” published in The Evening Statesman of Walla Walla, Washington on Thursday, September 2, 1909:

    The Vocabulary of Aviation

    In the old days when the balloon was the only method of human levitation there was but that one word to denote the appliance. Ballooning was a sport and a means of entertainment rarely engaged in, a gradually diminishing novelty. Men talked hopefully of the evolution of the “flying machine.” They spoke occasionally of the “airship” as representing the maximum of human ingenuity, to be later developed at the climax of this wonderful age of invention.

    Now the news prints are constantly filled with references to devices and with words that were utterly unknown even half a decade ago. The balloon has given place to the “dirigible.” The word “gas bag” was for a long time used to distinguish the balloon kind of “flying machine” from the device which came later to be known as the “heavier than air” apparatus. Now that awkward designation of the non-gas-bag type has given place to the more specific “aeroplane,” which is the generic name of all the soaring devices with or without motive power. The “glider” is the small plane without the means of self-propulsion. The aeroplane has now developed into three types according to the number of planes, known as the monoplane, the biplane and the triplane. There will probably be other variations, with their appropriate titles. The “helicopter” is in the experimental stage, an unproved type of machine.

    The tendency to abbreviation evolved first the word “airplane” instead of the longer and more awkward “aeroplane,” and now the same tendency has led to the monosyllable “plane” as a short cut to a clear expression.

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  188. @Jack D
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private - the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!

    if France had interstate highways!

    France doesn’t even have states.

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    Now that's what I call missing the point! He's quite right about the double-edged sword interstates (aka autoroutes, autobahns, motorways, 400-series highways etc) pose. My father worked on strategic planning at NATO in the '70s and '80s and it was one of those things they fretted about.
  189. @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, the interstates have gotten me around the country a few times, and I understand Eisenhower liked their potential military applications, should the shit hit the fan. You can transport your armies on them and even use them as airstrips. The little boy still in me says, "Gee wiz, that's great! ['Tremendous!' 'Big League!']

    I can cross the desert on them and stop at giant dinosaur statues! (But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.)

    Maybe we're building a Stairway to Heaven, just because we can. That's so damn poetic!

    We went to the moon just to show off. Neil Armstrong once said, in an interview I watched, "Even if we did it for the wrong reasons, I'm glad we went."

    Personally, I'm glad my town has zoning (really nice, big zoning that keeps the neighbors from building their McMansions in my back yard.) Pure principals are fine, until some yahoo cuts down all the trees and plops a castle outside your bedroom window.

    But of course, people could do this on the old Route 66 too.

    I was just wondering, while passing farms on a county highway this afternoon, when was the last time I saw a Mail Pouch barn?

    Somehow, tort lawyer billboards just lack that kind of charm.

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  190. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area (the building of streets) that had traditionally been a state or local (or private - the Lancaster-Philadelphia Pike was a private toll road in the 18th century) endeavor, but I think Eisenhower of all people knew that the next war was going to be fought (if at all) with ICBMs and nukes and not on the highways.

    You can also argue that the same highway that makes it easy for your troops to move also makes it easy for the enemy to move theirs. Imagine how much blitzier the blitzkreig could have been if France had interstate highways!

    The designation of the Interstates as Military Highways was used to justify deeper Federal intervention and funding in an area

    The Bureau of Public Roads, which mapped out and partially financed the U.S. Route system, was founded in 1916.

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  191. Lot says:
    @res

    If so, please describe the practical benefit of Judenkritik.
     
    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don't listen. At all. As you are clearly demonstrating. What alternatives do you suggest?

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?

    P.S. It's really interesting to ponder a group that has specific words for others criticizing them, or hating them.

    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don’t listen. At all.

    So you concede the point?

    As you are clearly demonstrating.

    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?

    What alternatives do you suggest?

    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:

    https://www.kobach2018.com/

    http://cis.org/

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?

    There is no practical benefit to me. For others, it makes money and allows them to posture as virtuous people.

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    • Replies: @res

    So you concede the point?
     
    Hardly. If you want to play like your last paragraph, the practical benefit is I get to vent. More seriously, normalizing truthful criticism of corrosive influences on our society is a very real practical benefit.

    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?
     
    As opposed to standing by while they defame the other half? Or is that other half the non-Jewish urban elite that is also perfectly happy to criticize and/or race replace the rest of America?

    And seriously, defamation? Please point out where I have said something untrue.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
    "Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and must have been made to someone other than the person defamed."

    As for what I would like you to do. That would be to admit that people like Bret Stephens are a destructive force. And to admit that others saying so is not proof positive of "anti-semitism."

    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:
     
    That sounds pretty reasonable. Perhaps you could persuade Bret Stephens and company to do something similar and stop printing this nonsense in the NYT.
  192. Golfer says:

    I think the article might be mocking open border advocates. If you search ” a modest proposal swift” you get a Wikipedia entry for a satirical essay from 1729 mocking the British for how they treat the poor.

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  193. Lot says:
    @Desiderius
    I'm actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it's a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    "In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health.

    There was even a word, dating back to those same Roman dicks who gave us this "de minimis" bullshit, for a system of law that assigned certain people special rights. This set of rights varied - but in almost every case, the right not to be offended (by those outside the subset) was the first and most basic. The word, in fact, was privilege. Meaning, in Roman dick-speak, private law."

    - Moldbug

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    Above criticism? Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others. How many explicitly antisemite websites are there compared to anti-Italian or French, despite the ~10 to 1 difference in population?

    Moreover, it is largely elite non-Jews that have made antisemitism disrespectable.

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    I would say that white people as a whole are the people who are most targeted for criticism these days. Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    Although I don't criticize Jews too often, I think you're wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.
    , @Desiderius
    Motte and Bailey.

    I understand that you perceive obtuseness to be in your interest. When you change your mind, this thread will be a useful resource.

    May want to bookmark it.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others

     

    Wow. A textbook example of chutzpah. Whites are fired from their jobs all the time for criticising Jews. There are even laws against it.

    Random example:

    Charlie Hebdo Fired ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoonist For Ridiculing Judaism In 2009
    ... Maurice Sinet, political cartoonist with Charlie Hebdo for 20 years, was fired in 2009 for his anti-Semitic cartoons
    ... Maurice Sinet ... faced charges of “inciting racial hatred” for a column he wrote ... “L’affaire Sine,” followed the engagement of Jean Sarkozy to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress ... . Commenting on rumours that Jean intended to convert from Catholicism to Judaism (Jessica’s religion) for social success, Siné quipped, “He’ll go a long way in life, that little lad.”
    ... He was ... taken to court by the Ligue Internationale Contre le Racisme et l’Antisémitisme (LICRA)

     

    There is even such a word and concept as "anti-semitism" in the first place and no such word for any White ethnicity to use to defend itself.

    Whites get more criticism than anyone else, wheras criticism of Jews is illegal.

    Here's MSM articles about Whites, but with "Jew" substituted for "White". In it's original state, it's just a garden variety anti-white diatribe, no one would notice, but find and replace with "Jew" and it would be anti-semitic, and in some countries illegal. The transformation happens right before your eyes.

    As a bonus, complaining about the original White version would itself be considered white supremist and therefore implicitly anti-semetic.

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler Update

    ... Naturally, I added a “white” to “jew” mode to Racism Simulator

    This was the result:

    [salon.com]
    The jews must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    For 500 years, they've exploited their fellow man and plundered the planet. It's time they rein themselves in

    If the Jews no longer had the vote, the progressive cause would be strengthened.
    ...
    The influence of reckless jewish males were one of the primary reasons that led to the Great Recession which began in 2008.
    ...
    a denial of the franchise to the Jews, could see a redistribution of global assets to their rightful owners.
    ...
    It is time to wrestle control of the world back from jewish males
    ...
    The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the jew to a halt.

     

    28 Jews Who Need To Be Stopped Right Now

     

    29 Things Jews Ruined In 2015
    Besides everything

     


     
  194. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Desiderius
    I'm actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it's a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.

    "In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health.

    There was even a word, dating back to those same Roman dicks who gave us this "de minimis" bullshit, for a system of law that assigned certain people special rights. This set of rights varied - but in almost every case, the right not to be offended (by those outside the subset) was the first and most basic. The word, in fact, was privilege. Meaning, in Roman dick-speak, private law."

    - Moldbug

    Does Moldbug always write in that badass, “keepin’ it cool for the kids” style? If he still does, doesn’t he get that it’s been done to death? We literally have the US Senator from New York repeatedly using the work “fuck” at a public event now. This is the same nice, White lady Senator who invited Mattress Girl to the State of the Union Address. Vulgarity is the new normal.

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    "Does Moldbug always write in that badass, “keepin’ it cool for the kids” style?"

    No.
  195. Mr. Anon says:
    @Desiderius
    I'd try, even when he gets a little full of himself.

    Good critics are hard to find.

    I’d try, even when he gets a little full of himself.

    Knock yourself out. You’ll probably do so alone. And Art Deco doesn’t “get a little full of himself” – he is always – a lot – full of himself.

    Good critics are hard to find.

    He isn’t one (a good critic) – he’s just a smug ass.

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  196. @Jack D
    Anti-Semites and Jews have a lot in common. The two groups that are most interested in Jews - about which prominent figures are Jewish, about how much money they have, etc. appear to me to be (1) anti-Semites and (2) Jews. Most other people don't give a damn whether Harrison Ford or Travis Kalanick is Jewish or not.

    Ho-hum, more innuendo. Instead of glumly dropping the phrase “anti-Semites” in every response to me, up your argument game. You’ve laid some lazy (#89) whoppers (#278) over the months. If you’re gonna disagree, at least bring some rhetorical dexterity. Work that brain, Jack!

    Otherwise, you’re in danger of deplorable me (#58) getting into your head. (#12) Which may not be a bad thing after all—I don’t dislike you, Jack. You’re a prolific regular here, and I respect that. I merely want to help you improve. (#204) ;)

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  197. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Yan Shen
    Off topic, but it appears that some white guy ran over Muslims outside of a mosque in London just now. Clearly a retaliatory attack for the recent terrorist incidents in the UK...

    https://www.ft.com/content/2a02510a-548b-11e7-80b6-9bfa4c1f83d2

    Well, if it’s true, that would make one of the first times the White wolf they’ve all been crying wolf about has actually shown up. There was the Quebec City mosque shooting (the suspected perpetrator of which is currently in legal limbo) and then …. My memory fails me.

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    The long-awaited and dearly desired Backlash finally arriveth? (From regular people, that is. Our governments have been killing civilians in retaliation on our behalf for some time.) It only took how many decades?
  198. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anonymous
    "You want enterprising? Why?. The third world is full of enterprising poor people, the kind who will sell you a bottle of water when you’re stuck in a São Paulo traffic jam."


    Hernando de Soto has lots of interesting work about such things:


    "...The main message of de Soto's work and writings is that no nation can have a strong market economy without adequate participation in an information framework that records ownership of property and other economic information. Unreported, unrecorded economic activity results in many small entrepreneurs who lack legal ownership of their property, making it difficult for them to obtain credit, sell the business, or expand. They cannot seek legal remedies to business conflicts in court, since they do not have legal ownership. Lack of information on income prevents governments from collecting taxes and acting for the public welfare...

    ...An elite minority enjoys the economic benefits of the law and globalization, while the majority of entrepreneurs are stuck in poverty, where their assets—adding up to more than US$10 trillion worldwide—languish as dead capital in the shadows of the law..."

     

    I’m familiar with his work, but skeptical. Let’s say the water bottle seller in São Paulo gets official recognition of his ownership of the shack he lives in. Then what? He can borrow against its ~$50 worth of equity to buy more water bottles?

    Detroit has everything Hernando De Soto laments the global poor lack, and yet most of its residents remain poor.

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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Related to this discussion, Anyone see the ad for “Beatriz At Dinner” with Salma Hayek/John Lithgow? It’s got this weird 1940s Upper West Side Kill-The-Rockefellers vibe (reminded me of the obscure libporn movie “The Last Supper”– weirdly, or perhaps not, scored by the same guy from Devo), all transfigured through the most hilariously Bizarro-Chicana leading “Hispanic” actress of our time, of course. And yet the director/writer team, whose first two (very terrible) movies I’d somehow already seen, are a Puerto Rican and the most awkward gay tent-revival hick loser I can think of. But only one of the producers is Jewish, AFAICT (heavily outnumbered by Canadians).

    Bret Stephens, when you see the guy, does not present as a mazel-tov mensch right off the shtetl. Immigrant parents? The guy looks & acts like a lispy Patrick Bateman. Possibly with the same taste in music, too.

    Incidentally I saw D. Brooks give a commencement speech a few years ago, and far be it from me to put down another man’s game, but Larry David is a sex symbol by comparison. It’s shocking to learn he made it with a Yale coed. Statistically she was likely Asian which makes it even more outlandish. Clearly that place was built over an old Indian burial ground

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  200. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    At first, when the NYT hired Stephens, I didn't get the logic of it -- why hire a guy who has the same opinions on everything as David Brooks? But now I do, and I see it was a smart move.

    The venture capitalist Albert Wenger says the most precious resource in today's economy is attention. Stephens attracts attention.

    What other op/ed columnist gets this kind of attention on Steve's blog and also manages to rile up the left (as Stephens did with his global warming column)?

    This article probably riled up the left, too, considering it mentioned God and our country’s greatness, which is too much like American Exceptionalism.

    Plus, some of them no doubt put together the fact that a lot of the Senior Americans he pretends to want to kick out are vibrant.

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  201. Stealth says:
    @Lot

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.
     
    Above criticism? Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others. How many explicitly antisemite websites are there compared to anti-Italian or French, despite the ~10 to 1 difference in population?

    Moreover, it is largely elite non-Jews that have made antisemitism disrespectable.

    I would say that white people as a whole are the people who are most targeted for criticism these days. Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    Although I don’t criticize Jews too often, I think you’re wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.

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    Lot can't seem to distinguish between pseudonymous criticism in dark corners of the internet and well compensated and bylined criticism in the NYT and other mass media. Hint, one is much more impactful than the other.
    , @Lot

    I think you’re wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.
     
    I have no investment in one definition or another of anti-semitism. That's why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.

    I also think the most fair criticism of Jews is also applicable to whites generally: we are decadent and pathologically altruistic. That is one negative thing to say about whites that isn't socially respectable.


    Criticizing Jews is verboten.
     
    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet...

    In reality, there are many full time antisemites, like whoever runs JewWatch, plus a legion of incel NEETs for whom it is a significant hobby and who are often bright and creative. Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

    In any case, as I've calculated before, in large areas of the USA, more than 10% of the white population is at least a quarter Jewish, and the further you go up the socioeconomic ladder, the higher the share. Add in those with Jewish spouses, in-laws, long-time and close business partners, etc, and any hope of mass antisemitism among US whites is now lost, even without Christian Zionism.

  202. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    if France had interstate highways!
     
    France doesn't even have states.

    Now that’s what I call missing the point! He’s quite right about the double-edged sword interstates (aka autoroutes, autobahns, motorways, 400-series highways etc) pose. My father worked on strategic planning at NATO in the ’70s and ’80s and it was one of those things they fretted about.

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  203. guest says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Well, if it's true, that would make one of the first times the White wolf they've all been crying wolf about has actually shown up. There was the Quebec City mosque shooting (the suspected perpetrator of which is currently in legal limbo) and then .... My memory fails me.

    The long-awaited and dearly desired Backlash finally arriveth? (From regular people, that is. Our governments have been killing civilians in retaliation on our behalf for some time.) It only took how many decades?

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  204. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    This line of justifying illegal immigration (and anything else that walks off the boat) by claiming they are more industrious is becoming commonplace talk among liberals and neocons alike. From neocons, its a thinly-veiled appeal to the conservative white masses by claiming they are making the country more productive (pay no attention to the fact that these people would be slowly replacing your families and bringing down your wages). Nationalism so extreme that you put aside your blood for your country.

    It's even more ludicrous, sheer hypocrisy when coming from liberals. Constantly pushing the need to help the poor minorities among America (because that's 'who we are'), yet we should give not give a damn about Americans who can't keep up, but instead replace them with 'more industrious' foreigners. And we need to help all these huddled incompetent refuse because 'that's who we are', yet these same people who were not competent enough to become mighty lords of industry in their own country will somehow magically do so here. And if nationalism is so bad, why should we practice such an extreme form of it that we would push aside our own children for the nation? And if we are to focus on productivity, then should we have honest talk about which Americans are so less productive than others? Wouldn't it follow to find out who they are and have them replaced instead of productive Americans? And to find out which immigrants were not being so productive, causing crime, living off welfare, etc, and have them removed?

    They are more industrious.

    “Industrious” means cheaper, right?

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  205. res says:
    @Lot

    As I see it the practical benefit would be to encourage a change in behavior. Except they don’t listen. At all.
     
    So you concede the point?

    As you are clearly demonstrating.
     
    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?

    What alternatives do you suggest?
     
    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:

    https://www.kobach2018.com/
    http://cis.org/

    And while we are at it, how about you describe the practical benefit of Jewish media criticism of non-Jewish whites?
     
    There is no practical benefit to me. For others, it makes money and allows them to posture as virtuous people.

    So you concede the point?

    Hardly. If you want to play like your last paragraph, the practical benefit is I get to vent. More seriously, normalizing truthful criticism of corrosive influences on our society is a very real practical benefit.

    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?

    As opposed to standing by while they defame the other half? Or is that other half the non-Jewish urban elite that is also perfectly happy to criticize and/or race replace the rest of America?

    And seriously, defamation? Please point out where I have said something untrue.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
    “Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and must have been made to someone other than the person defamed.”

    As for what I would like you to do. That would be to admit that people like Bret Stephens are a destructive force. And to admit that others saying so is not proof positive of “anti-semitism.”

    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:

    That sounds pretty reasonable. Perhaps you could persuade Bret Stephens and company to do something similar and stop printing this nonsense in the NYT.

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    normalizing truthful criticism of corrosive influences on our society is a very real practical benefit.
     
    Except in practice anti-semites tarnish the rest of the far right by association.

    That would be to admit that people like Bret Stephens are a destructive force. And to admit that others saying so is not proof positive of “anti-semitism.”
     
    I agree on both points.

    Perhaps you could persuade Bret Stephens and company to do something similar and stop printing this nonsense in the NYT.
     
    I am flattered you think I have the ability to do so.
  206. @Anonymous
    This line of justifying illegal immigration (and anything else that walks off the boat) by claiming they are more industrious is becoming commonplace talk among liberals and neocons alike. From neocons, its a thinly-veiled appeal to the conservative white masses by claiming they are making the country more productive (pay no attention to the fact that these people would be slowly replacing your families and bringing down your wages). Nationalism so extreme that you put aside your blood for your country.

    It's even more ludicrous, sheer hypocrisy when coming from liberals. Constantly pushing the need to help the poor minorities among America (because that's 'who we are'), yet we should give not give a damn about Americans who can't keep up, but instead replace them with 'more industrious' foreigners. And we need to help all these huddled incompetent refuse because 'that's who we are', yet these same people who were not competent enough to become mighty lords of industry in their own country will somehow magically do so here. And if nationalism is so bad, why should we practice such an extreme form of it that we would push aside our own children for the nation? And if we are to focus on productivity, then should we have honest talk about which Americans are so less productive than others? Wouldn't it follow to find out who they are and have them replaced instead of productive Americans? And to find out which immigrants were not being so productive, causing crime, living off welfare, etc, and have them removed?

    I have a theory that I have been working on that it is much easier to push pro-immigration propaganda if you are making it look like you are acting altruistically rather than in your self interest. When commercial actors (cheap labor lobby) stress immigration they talk up diversity, and equality, and family values, etc. Anything but what they are really trying to do which is blow out the floor on the labor market. The same is true for the ethnic lobby. They are the ones who are bellyaching about crops rotting in the fields and a “day without a Mexican” type rhetoric. They don’t care a hoot how much a white liberal suburban housewife pays for her strawberry’s. When the LaRaza types are exposed for their real agenda they look like the cow’s ass.

    This is why comprehensive immigration reform is so critical to their coalition. It is a political solution not an economic one. Putting up a wall will really not impact the high-tech lobby or most industries in this country but if that part of our immigration problem is solved, then they are next. Like a herd of zebras, they are all hoping their stripes will keep the predators from singling them out.

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  207. res says:
    @Stealth
    I would say that white people as a whole are the people who are most targeted for criticism these days. Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    Although I don't criticize Jews too often, I think you're wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.

    Lot can’t seem to distinguish between pseudonymous criticism in dark corners of the internet and well compensated and bylined criticism in the NYT and other mass media. Hint, one is much more impactful than the other.

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  208. fnn says:
    @Lot

    That’s a good caution, but between anti-semitism seemingly being defined as “anything Jews don’t like” and actual Jewish hypocrisy (by no means do they have a monopoly on that) it is hard to know what constitutes acceptable criticism.
     
    I don't think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century's German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans. How is it working out for the Palestinian Arabs? They could have been the Mexicans of the Middle East, enjoying the spill-overs of a very rich neighbor. Instead they continue to lose land and are under permanent military occupation.

    As for "acceptable criticism," I don't think you will ever find me making arguments in the form "X is antisemitic, therefore wrong/evil." At most, I will dismiss them as so stupid as to not merit a response. But quite often I have addressed them on their merits and described why I think various criticisms of Jews are factually wrong. I have also said some are right, especially those that argue that Jews were very disproportionately behind various destructive 20th century political movements.

    Even when they are right, however, it still remains that making factually valid complaints about Jews hurts the cause of Western whites.

    I don’t think any sort of anti-semitism is politically productive for whites. How did last century’s German anti-semitism turn out for Germans? National division and military occupation, ethnic cleansing of German minorities in areas of Europe they had lived for centuries, destruction of their cities, ~20 million dead Germans.

    The idea that WW2 was all about the Jews has long been considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. A common opinion among respectable historians is that WW2 was a continuation of WW1 with a twenty-year truce in between. And I don’t think anyone believes WW1 had anything to do with anti-Semitism.

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  209. Kylie says:
    @donut
    Hey Kylie , here is my first entry :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saurMhQHblc

    I like Film Noir and Robert Mitchum .

    "Anatomy of a Murder"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm_4TWatnzw

    "Hospital"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HftRP0NAJYg

    "Dr. Strangelove"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4

    "Platoon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90B5REGHc0w

    "Soldier In the Rain"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9nfAsX2qQ

    "Das Boot"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUInWKK8ROc

    Thanks. We share several favorites. “Out of the Past” is one of my favorite noirs. I think Jane Greer makes the movie work. There’s lots of good stuff in it but she is so beautiful, so seductive, so lethal.

    I really like “Anatomy of a Murder”. Have seen the movie several times and read the novel. But it doesn’t work for me as well. It’s almost two movies combined; one with Jimmy Stewart and his pals that’s very naturalistic and warm, the other about the intense and not terribly wholesome dynamics of the Manion marriage.

    Dr. Strangelove and Das Boot are simply two of the best movies ever made. Das Boot is my favorite war movie.

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  210. @Jack D
    As well you should - without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    For that matter, the Interstate Highways were inspired by Hitler's Autobahns.

    As well you should – without those German Nazi rocket scientists there would have been no moon landing.

    Wasn’t the lack of rocket advancements stateside due to lack of funding rather than inspiration? IIRC, the Germans lifted a lot of Goddard’s ideas. And it wasn’t firing a rocket at the moon that was the principal problem – it was sending a manned vehicle there, doing a controlled landing and bringing it back.

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  211. Lurker says:

    If today’s immigrants built that, what happens when tomorrow’s immigrants arrive?

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  212. @Louis Renault
    Don't forget the Trail of Tears.

    Okay, we can go the other way: On your behalf, I’d like to thank the American Indians for the interstate highway system and the Apollo Program.

    Does that make you feel better, Mr. Peugeot?

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  213. @Inquiring Mind
    Project Apollo? How Canada put a man on the Moon?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Chamberlin


    The story, told to me in the early 1980's by a fiercely nationalist Canadian (a cousin to the I believe in 'diversity' and not 'assimilation' guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtVrDPhHBg) is that Canada cancelled the development of their Avro Arrow interceptor jet in response to pressure from their southern neighbor, the engineers from this project migrated across Canada's southern border in pursuit of employment, and Project Apollo happened.

    This is the Canadian version of "Hidden Figures" or something like that.

    I never would have thought the Canadians were like the Brazilians, who really, really, truly do believe Alberto Santos-Dumont invented the airplane.

    And the French, who still give him official credit for the first flight, because it occurred in France in front of French observers, of course (three years after the Wright Brothers).

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  214. @Logan
    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent.

    Or just reproduce it. Nothing is stopping you from staying off the interstates and driving the old US routes.

    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent

    Yeah, you would be forced to see the country you live in and to interact with your fellow citizens. Can’t have that!

    Drive-by is the middle-class counterpart of “flyover”.

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    Just for fun, put Kansas City to Chicago into Google Maps.

    Via interstate, 7.5 hours.

    Avoiding interstate, 11 hours.

    Less difference than I expected, actually.

    There is also the fact that pre-GPS you were a lot more likely to get lost off the interstate.
  215. snorlax says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Snorlax writes, "Anyway, I’ll admit that Stephens’ piece so enraged me (which, I suppose, was his goal; it’s clearly a troll job) that, with apologies to Mencken and Ace, I was at times tempted to spit upon my hands, hoist the black flag and begin wearing out my “9″ and “0″ keys."

    I understand the reference to the Ace of Spades HQ website http://ace.mu.nu/ and its banner H. L. Mencken quote, "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
    But somebody please explain the reference to the excessive tapping of the "9" and "0" keys on a keyboard.

    (((9 0)))

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  216. Lot says:
    @Stealth
    I would say that white people as a whole are the people who are most targeted for criticism these days. Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    Although I don't criticize Jews too often, I think you're wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.

    I think you’re wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.

    I have no investment in one definition or another of anti-semitism. That’s why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.

    I also think the most fair criticism of Jews is also applicable to whites generally: we are decadent and pathologically altruistic. That is one negative thing to say about whites that isn’t socially respectable.

    Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet…

    In reality, there are many full time antisemites, like whoever runs JewWatch, plus a legion of incel NEETs for whom it is a significant hobby and who are often bright and creative. Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

    In any case, as I’ve calculated before, in large areas of the USA, more than 10% of the white population is at least a quarter Jewish, and the further you go up the socioeconomic ladder, the higher the share. Add in those with Jewish spouses, in-laws, long-time and close business partners, etc, and any hope of mass antisemitism among US whites is now lost, even without Christian Zionism.

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    That’s why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.
     
    Interesting. In your original comment 174 it was spelled "Judenkritik". Being a diligent kind of person I did a web search for that before replying to that comment and got a few thousand mostly German looking hits. Based on the associations if you are looking for a baggage free term you might want to try again.

    For example, one of the references was to "Antisemitismus und Judenkritik" which Google translate helpfully renders (unsurprisingly) as "Anti-Semitism and Jewish criticism"
    Really neat that Google translate handles made up words.

    I suppose this is the part where I decide whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your more recent comment at face value.


    Criticizing Jews is verboten.
     
    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet…
     
    Are you honestly trying to pretend things like this don't happen?
    Mel Gibson Seeks Forgiveness From Jews
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/arts/02gibs.html

    Please show me an example where one of the celebrities who have made offensive comments about whites have suffered anything like this. For example, Tom Hayden with his "said that he was especially happy about his son's union with actress Simone Bent, who is black, because, among other things, it was 'another step in a long-term goal of mine: the peaceful, nonviolent disappearance of the white race."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hayden
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

     

    There are a whole lot of people who attack Whites in general. They obsess over the many, many bad things done by Whites. Crusades, Reconquista, Inquisition, witch burnings, destruction of Native Americans, slavery, racism, colonialism etc.

    Then in particular there are those who attack Whites of the American South. Much time is spent considering the KKK, lynchings, Jim Crow, segregation etc. Books are written, movies are made depicting evil Southerners persecuting blacks.

    There were many who attacked South Africans when they had Apartheid.

    Then there's the many who attack the Germans.
    , @Stealth

    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet…
     
    Look out, now. I've never seen anyone get blackballed for getting a speeding ticket.

    In reality, there are many full time antisemites, like whoever runs JewWatch, plus a legion of incel NEETs for whom it is a significant hobby and who are often bright and creative. Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?
     
    As for JewWatch, that isn't fair criticism, just irrational bigotry. I'm not talking about that.
  217. snorlax says:
    @AndrewR
    You won't even tell your non-immediate family you've supported Trump?

    My non-immediate family members are all some hours away by air, and the ones I’m in contact with most frequently are fanatical MSNBC-addicts, so it wouldn’t serve any purpose except to strain our relationship.

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  218. Wilkey says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "a never employed black welfare queen with three children by four different men who voted for Hillary"
    and who is doing experimental research in three-parent genetics.

    and who is doing experimental research in three-parent genetics.

    No – that was actual satire, unlike Bret Stephens’s article.

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  219. @neutral

    We realize Jews aren’t worth the mental bandwidth to obsess about.
     
    The three real branches of US government are Hollywood, Wall Street and the military industrial complex (the official US government is simply a rubber stamping authority). Two of those three are pretty much run by jews (and those two are arguably the most important), so to simply dismiss this as unimportant is more of sign just how powerful they are as opposed to your self delusion that these things simply do not matter.

    And don’t leave out their invention of AIDS.

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  220. Wilkey says:
    @guest
    "Every great nation..."

    Stop right there. You must think of America as the un-nation, much like 7-Up is the uncola. We are a nation that's not a nation, unlike other mere nation-nations.

    Because Declaration of Independence/Statue of Liberty.

    Stop right there. You must think of America as the un-nation, much like 7-Up is the uncola. We are a nation that’s not a nation, unlike other mere nation-nations.

    And as the world’s premier un-nation we are entitled to two histories instead of just one – two histories never to be discussed at the same time.

    The first history is the Howard Zinn version, which is the history of nasty, evil WASPs oppressing one ethnic, racial or religious group after another.

    The second history is the one that tells us that what all those nasty, evil, racist WASP leaders really intended was for the United States to be the property of everyone in the world, and that native-born citizens have no right whatsoever to limit who comes here or in what numbers they come.

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  221. res says:
    @Lot

    I think you’re wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.
     
    I have no investment in one definition or another of anti-semitism. That's why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.

    I also think the most fair criticism of Jews is also applicable to whites generally: we are decadent and pathologically altruistic. That is one negative thing to say about whites that isn't socially respectable.


    Criticizing Jews is verboten.
     
    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet...

    In reality, there are many full time antisemites, like whoever runs JewWatch, plus a legion of incel NEETs for whom it is a significant hobby and who are often bright and creative. Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

    In any case, as I've calculated before, in large areas of the USA, more than 10% of the white population is at least a quarter Jewish, and the further you go up the socioeconomic ladder, the higher the share. Add in those with Jewish spouses, in-laws, long-time and close business partners, etc, and any hope of mass antisemitism among US whites is now lost, even without Christian Zionism.

    That’s why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.

    Interesting. In your original comment 174 it was spelled “Judenkritik”. Being a diligent kind of person I did a web search for that before replying to that comment and got a few thousand mostly German looking hits. Based on the associations if you are looking for a baggage free term you might want to try again.

    For example, one of the references was to “Antisemitismus und Judenkritik” which Google translate helpfully renders (unsurprisingly) as “Anti-Semitism and Jewish criticism”
    Really neat that Google translate handles made up words.

    I suppose this is the part where I decide whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your more recent comment at face value.

    Criticizing Jews is verboten.

    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet…

    Are you honestly trying to pretend things like this don’t happen?
    Mel Gibson Seeks Forgiveness From Jews

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/arts/02gibs.html

    Please show me an example where one of the celebrities who have made offensive comments about whites have suffered anything like this. For example, Tom Hayden with his “said that he was especially happy about his son’s union with actress Simone Bent, who is black, because, among other things, it was ‘another step in a long-term goal of mine: the peaceful, nonviolent disappearance of the white race.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hayden

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    In fairness to Lot/Jews, the term "antisemitism" was both coined and popularized by antisemites, so it's rather silly/hypocritical [of antisemites, that is] to be demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill.
  222. snorlax says:
    @res

    That’s why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.
     
    Interesting. In your original comment 174 it was spelled "Judenkritik". Being a diligent kind of person I did a web search for that before replying to that comment and got a few thousand mostly German looking hits. Based on the associations if you are looking for a baggage free term you might want to try again.

    For example, one of the references was to "Antisemitismus und Judenkritik" which Google translate helpfully renders (unsurprisingly) as "Anti-Semitism and Jewish criticism"
    Really neat that Google translate handles made up words.

    I suppose this is the part where I decide whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your more recent comment at face value.


    Criticizing Jews is verboten.
     
    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet…
     
    Are you honestly trying to pretend things like this don't happen?
    Mel Gibson Seeks Forgiveness From Jews
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/arts/02gibs.html

    Please show me an example where one of the celebrities who have made offensive comments about whites have suffered anything like this. For example, Tom Hayden with his "said that he was especially happy about his son's union with actress Simone Bent, who is black, because, among other things, it was 'another step in a long-term goal of mine: the peaceful, nonviolent disappearance of the white race."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hayden

    In fairness to Lot/Jews, the term “antisemitism” was both coined and popularized by antisemites, so it’s rather silly/hypocritical [of antisemites, that is] to be demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill.

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    Do you see any "demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill" here? Lot stated that he preemptively looked for another term and I noted some "inconsistencies" in his comments about that. He is the one who brought up baggage and I was merely offering a helpful observation that he might not have chosen the best term to accomplish his stated goal.

    My primary complaint about the use of "anti-semitism" is the motte and bailey game continually played conflating "lampshades and gas chambers" with legitimate criticism of actions taken by Jews. Choose one meaning and stick with it.

    P.S. I would appreciate anyone calling out something specific I have said which they consider anti-semitic. Especially if I have managed to get anywhere near the level of offensiveness achieved by Tom Hayden in the quote I gave. (tip, try substituting "Jewish" for "white" in that quote and visualize what would have happened if he said that)
    , @res

    the term “antisemitism” was both coined and popularized by antisemites
     
    It seems that Wikipedia begs to differ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology

    The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[14] Avner Falk similarly writes: 'The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816-1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races"'.
     
  223. @Anonymous
    Pencil in another one:

    Daniel W. Drezner‏ @dandrezner
    I don't always agree with @BretStephensNYT, but when I do, I really really do.
     


    Professor at @FletcherSchool. Writer of Spoiler Alerts for @washingtonpost. Author of The Ideas Industry. Shaker of hands with Mel Brooks.
     

    Drezner’s still got Stockholm Syndrome from being denied tenure at Chicago.

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    Rubbish. Read his wife's profile of him penned in the aftermath of his troubles at Chicago. "The most confident man I've ever known...". Being a supercilious twerp is baked into the man's DNA.
  224. @Cagey Beast
    Does Moldbug always write in that badass, "keepin' it cool for the kids" style? If he still does, doesn't he get that it's been done to death? We literally have the US Senator from New York repeatedly using the work "fuck" at a public event now. This is the same nice, White lady Senator who invited Mattress Girl to the State of the Union Address. Vulgarity is the new normal.

    “Does Moldbug always write in that badass, “keepin’ it cool for the kids” style?”

    No.

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  225. @Lot

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.
     
    Above criticism? Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others. How many explicitly antisemite websites are there compared to anti-Italian or French, despite the ~10 to 1 difference in population?

    Moreover, it is largely elite non-Jews that have made antisemitism disrespectable.

    Motte and Bailey.

    I understand that you perceive obtuseness to be in your interest. When you change your mind, this thread will be a useful resource.

    May want to bookmark it.

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  226. res says:
    @snorlax
    In fairness to Lot/Jews, the term "antisemitism" was both coined and popularized by antisemites, so it's rather silly/hypocritical [of antisemites, that is] to be demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill.

    Do you see any “demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill” here? Lot stated that he preemptively looked for another term and I noted some “inconsistencies” in his comments about that. He is the one who brought up baggage and I was merely offering a helpful observation that he might not have chosen the best term to accomplish his stated goal.

    My primary complaint about the use of “anti-semitism” is the motte and bailey game continually played conflating “lampshades and gas chambers” with legitimate criticism of actions taken by Jews. Choose one meaning and stick with it.

    P.S. I would appreciate anyone calling out something specific I have said which they consider anti-semitic. Especially if I have managed to get anywhere near the level of offensiveness achieved by Tom Hayden in the quote I gave. (tip, try substituting “Jewish” for “white” in that quote and visualize what would have happened if he said that)

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  227. @Anonymous
    The respectable right supported the Interstate system because trucking unions were a lot easier to break than railroad unions. Indeed the Teamsters has more train crew than truckers today.
    Trucks pay road tax, but they pay as used, and about enough to cover half the damage they do. Railroads pay right of way expenses upfront.

    Most truckers earn crummy wages if looked at on an hourly basis. Traincrews on a Class 1 railroad live pretty well.

    It seems like every American on this blog has his favorite set of “real” reasons why our parents and grandparents built the Interstate Highway System — reasons that have nothing to do with what they actually did: bequeath to us fast, convenient, fantastic, personal, automotive transportation across a vast multitude of states spanning a continent.

    (Of course now we know the really real reason they built these amazing roads was so immigrants could fill them up.)

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  228. “We are taught you must blame your father, your sisters, your brothers, the school, the teachers – but never blame yourself. It’s never your fault. But it’s always your fault, because if you wanted to change you’re the one who has got to change.”

    - Katharine Hepburn

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  229. res says:
    @snorlax
    In fairness to Lot/Jews, the term "antisemitism" was both coined and popularized by antisemites, so it's rather silly/hypocritical [of antisemites, that is] to be demanding rotations of the euphemism treadmill.

    the term “antisemitism” was both coined and popularized by antisemites

    It seems that Wikipedia begs to differ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology

    The origin of “antisemitic” terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: “The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his ‘anti-Semitic prejudices’ [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race].”[14] Avner Falk similarly writes: ‘The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816-1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan’s false ideas about how “Semitic races” were inferior to “Aryan races”‘.

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  230. Logan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Just think about what it would be like to drive long distances without an interstate system or equivalent
     
    Yeah, you would be forced to see the country you live in and to interact with your fellow citizens. Can't have that!

    Drive-by is the middle-class counterpart of "flyover".

    Just for fun, put Kansas City to Chicago into Google Maps.

    Via interstate, 7.5 hours.

    Avoiding interstate, 11 hours.

    Less difference than I expected, actually.

    There is also the fact that pre-GPS you were a lot more likely to get lost off the interstate.

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  231. @Lot

    I think you’re wrong to think that fair criticism is anti-semitism.
     
    I have no investment in one definition or another of anti-semitism. That's why I used the made-up term Judenkritic as a more neutral word without the baggage of anti-semitism.

    I also think the most fair criticism of Jews is also applicable to whites generally: we are decadent and pathologically altruistic. That is one negative thing to say about whites that isn't socially respectable.


    Criticizing Jews is verboten.
     
    So is driving in excess of the speed limit. And yet...

    In reality, there are many full time antisemites, like whoever runs JewWatch, plus a legion of incel NEETs for whom it is a significant hobby and who are often bright and creative. Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

    In any case, as I've calculated before, in large areas of the USA, more than 10% of the white population is at least a quarter Jewish, and the further you go up the socioeconomic ladder, the higher the share. Add in those with Jewish spouses, in-laws, long-time and close business partners, etc, and any hope of mass antisemitism among US whites is now lost, even without Christian Zionism.

    Are there so many people who attack any other ethnicity?

    There are a whole lot of people who attack Whites in general. They obsess over the many, many bad things done by Whites. Crusades, Reconquista, Inquisition, witch burnings, destruction of Native Americans, slavery, racism, colonialism etc.

    Then in particular there are those who attack Whites of the American South. Much time is spent considering the KKK, lynchings, Jim Crow, segregation etc. Books are written, movies are made depicting evil Southerners persecuting blacks.

    There were many who attacked South Africans when they had Apartheid.

    Then there’s the many who attack the Germans.

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  232. @Lot

    I’m actually pretty philosemitic, but yeah, it’s a problem when there is a class that is above criticism.
     
    Above criticism? Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others. How many explicitly antisemite websites are there compared to anti-Italian or French, despite the ~10 to 1 difference in population?

    Moreover, it is largely elite non-Jews that have made antisemitism disrespectable.

    Jews are largely part of the race that is uniquely targeted for criticism, and the ethnic group that, per capita, is subject to 100 times more criticism than any others

    Wow. A textbook example of chutzpah. Whites are fired from their jobs all the time for criticising Jews. There are even laws against it.

    Random example:

    Charlie Hebdo Fired ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoonist For Ridiculing Judaism In 2009
    … Maurice Sinet, political cartoonist with Charlie Hebdo for 20 years, was fired in 2009 for his anti-Semitic cartoons
    … Maurice Sinet … faced charges of “inciting racial hatred” for a column he wrote … “L’affaire Sine,” followed the engagement of Jean Sarkozy to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress … . Commenting on rumours that Jean intended to convert from Catholicism to Judaism (Jessica’s religion) for social success, Siné quipped, “He’ll go a long way in life, that little lad.”
    … He was … taken to court by the Ligue Internationale Contre le Racisme et l’Antisémitisme (LICRA)

    There is even such a word and concept as “anti-semitism” in the first place and no such word for any White ethnicity to use to defend itself.

    Whites get more criticism than anyone else, wheras criticism of Jews is illegal.

    Here’s MSM articles about Whites, but with “Jew” substituted for “White”. In it’s original state, it’s just a garden variety anti-white diatribe, no one would notice, but find and replace with “Jew” and it would be anti-semitic, and in some countries illegal. The transformation happens right before your eyes.

    As a bonus, complaining about the original White version would itself be considered white supremist and therefore implicitly anti-semetic.

    Racism Simulator – Literally Hitler Update

    … Naturally, I added a “white” to “jew” mode to Racism Simulator

    This was the result:

    [salon.com]
    The jews must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    For 500 years, they’ve exploited their fellow man and plundered the planet. It’s time they rein themselves in

    If the Jews no longer had the vote, the progressive cause would be strengthened.

    The influence of reckless jewish males were one of the primary reasons that led to the Great Recession which began in 2008.

    a denial of the franchise to the Jews, could see a redistribution of global assets to their rightful owners.

    It is time to wrestle control of the world back from jewish males

    The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the jew to a halt.

    28 Jews Who Need To Be Stopped Right Now

    29 Things Jews Ruined In 2015
    Besides everything

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  233. @Whiskey
    Its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. If no Jews had existed since (thought experiment: the Romans had killed them all every one after the Jewish Revolt) there would be another version of Stephens saying the same thing. I've seen Michael Moore say the same thing, as has Shaun King aka Talcum X and Barack Obama and pretty much every Latino Pol in California and the Kennedy Family and Hillary and of course, that famously Jewish Bill Clinton.

    HBD Denialism is not just for the Left. The Alt-Right has a hefty dose of HBD Denialism as well. Denying that subgroups of Whites just HATE HATE HATE each other and in particular idealistic, utopian, "burn it to the ground" and restart anew NortheWestern European Whites.

    Invite the world and Invade the World? That's as old as the Children's Crusade. Anti-White feeling as a religious view? As old as the Cathars and arguably as old as the old Gnostic Heresies of the Second and Third Centuries.

    To the extent that Jews are disproportionately Urban, Upper Class, living in NYC, the Bay Area and Chicago, this reflects the wider Elite White view of the Deplorables coupled with feminism enthusiasm for Muslim Rent Boys. [And also gays, I'd bet there is a non-trivial chance of Brett Stephen's view being motivated by some immigrant lover].

    After all, more Muslims in America means Jews have to leave. And its not as though Tel Aviv beats say, Palm Beach or NYC. You don't see Sarah Silverman, Jerry Seinfeld, Howard Stern, and Adam Sandler decamping for Israel and leaving the US behind. Jews have had to leave France, a very nice place to live, because Muslims will not allow them to stay. Same with Britain.

    However there is something deeply wrong with White people. We have a deep seated genetic flaw -- utopian idealism, a denial of reality in favor of some future nirvana, status signaling altruism, a desire to be Mini-Jesuses and "uplift" Third World peoples. And that genetic flaw can be seen in elite Upper Class women like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts adopting African babies to St. Francis beaming in approval when Muslims in North Africa tortured and beheaded his acolytes he sent to convert them. "Now I have disciples" he exclaimed.

    Duh. A media urbanite catering to women and gays prefers immigrants over natives. The same thing can be said of Macron, Trudeau, the Pope, and Wolfgang Schauble. All famously, not Jews.

    This is important because the fall of the West is not "the Jewwwwssssss!" but the radical disconnect and indeed radically different interests of White men and women and the genetic flaws in Whites: utopian idealism and radical status signaling in a mate market gone awry with the condom and pill and rising female income and independence. Women do well under conquerors, most women in France had a blast with the German soldiers and Nazi occupiers. Men in forced labor camps, not so much.

    Most White women probably agree with Stephens, not because they are Jewish but because they have a hatred of the deplorables. Who do you think voted Macron, Trudeau, and Obama after all? After all, if a White man is worthy he will be successful even if you handicap him. Right? Loyalty and foresight mean nothing next to tingles.

    As usual, you make some very good points about Nice White Ladies and whites in general that are completely undermined by your unwillingness to acknowledge the elephant sitting in the middle of the room.

    Jews (or, if it makes you feel better, elite Jews) have been a key driver in the dismantling of the West. Would it have happened without them? Possibly, maybe even likely. But to discount their contribution and motivation makes you look delusional, which is unfortunate because you do make many very important observations.

    At the end of day, whites must take the blame for what is happening to us. Jews may be pushing the ball down the hill to speed things up, but we’re letting them do it. In essence, you can’t con and honest man, no matter how good a con man you are.

    Related to that, I agree with you: There’s something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    At first, this was a huge advantage to whites. It helped with IQ. It helped promote science. But, most importantly, it allowed NW Europeans to form large enterprises composed of non-related people that worked together, such as militaries and corporations. These large, highly organized enterprises could smash smaller, less organized tribal enterprises, especially as our scientific abilities increased. NW Europeans conquered the world with this model.

    However, cleansing our systems of family clans also made us view our governments and our leaders, even media leaders, as our substitute clan leaders. Pick up a gun and go to war against Germans in 1914 or 1917 (US) because . . . well . . . because of democracy, yeah, that’s it, democracy! Yes, sir. I’ll go get my arm blown off for no good reason. We developed an insane trust in our governments, even if those in our government could care less about us. We have given our governments the trust that we should be giving our tribal leaders.

    In addition, we also changed the world. We brought communication to the world. We brought easy transportation to the world. Now, the world could see what our lives looked like and could easily travel to our countries. And they are coming, just as you would expect. Except we have no natural defense against them because we’ve lost our ability to think as a tribe.

    The Japanese have a simple (and perfect) answer to any question about immigration: They are not our people. Not even a Jew can counter that simple statement, just as even the most clever lawyer can’t counter my saying that I won’t allow a refugee to live in my house because he’s not my blood child.

    Whites just can’t think that way. And we very well may disappear because of it.

    Frankly, I’ve lost hope that whites as currently constituted can survive as a people. Our only hope is that those of us that still retain a tribal nature will eventually come together and carve out a place for ourselves. Will that happen? Probably not. Even if it did, my guess is that at best 25% of whites fit the bill.

    There will be a massive culling of the herd for whites to get us back to where we were a thousand years ago.

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    There’s something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    Jews and others have created a system of rewards and punishments in which the costs to Whites of thinking and acting as a tribe outweigh the immediate benefits. It's a coordination problem.

    This doesn't require an elaborate evolutionary explanation, or some essentialist cause. Simply ask what happens to Whites who speak in terms of White interests.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I would say an even larger reason is because the Japanese do not practice democracy as we know it at all. Its very difficult to infiltrate a system or a government that has veiled rules which basically goes "nuh uh" to you at any time it seems like they want to: famously, there was a hostile takeover of a Japanese company by an American company.

    Yet when the board of directors went over and stated that since they now have 60% of the stock, they should have proportional representation, the Japanese company simply said "we do not do this" and basically arbitrarily refused to hand over ownership. And in this, they were successful. Needless to say, foreign investment money does not flow much to Japan. There are consequences for such attitudes.

    They seem to treat immigration in a similar manner. And as in business, it does come with a significant financial and social cost, but its one that they mostly hold the line on.

  234. Dialogue:
    Jew – Dad, we chafe under rules
    Non-Jew – He told you what to do and you would not do it
    Jew – You are anti-semitic
    Non-Jew – Just the facts Ma’am
    Jew – Do not tell me what to do
    Non-Jew – try these
    1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
    2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
    3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
    4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
    5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
    6 “You shall not murder.
    7 “You shall not commit adultery.
    8 “You shall not steal.
    9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
    Jew – How dare you
    Non-Jew – They work for others. Give them a try
    Jew – We have other rules and traditions
    Non-Jew – You need your own Reformation. The world has been telling you for eons, and has turned up the volume in the last 2,00o years
    Jew – You’ll see
    Non-Jew – M’kay

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  235. @Whiskey
    Its not a Jewish thing, its a class thing. If no Jews had existed since (thought experiment: the Romans had killed them all every one after the Jewish Revolt) there would be another version of Stephens saying the same thing. I've seen Michael Moore say the same thing, as has Shaun King aka Talcum X and Barack Obama and pretty much every Latino Pol in California and the Kennedy Family and Hillary and of course, that famously Jewish Bill Clinton.

    HBD Denialism is not just for the Left. The Alt-Right has a hefty dose of HBD Denialism as well. Denying that subgroups of Whites just HATE HATE HATE each other and in particular idealistic, utopian, "burn it to the ground" and restart anew NortheWestern European Whites.

    Invite the world and Invade the World? That's as old as the Children's Crusade. Anti-White feeling as a religious view? As old as the Cathars and arguably as old as the old Gnostic Heresies of the Second and Third Centuries.

    To the extent that Jews are disproportionately Urban, Upper Class, living in NYC, the Bay Area and Chicago, this reflects the wider Elite White view of the Deplorables coupled with feminism enthusiasm for Muslim Rent Boys. [And also gays, I'd bet there is a non-trivial chance of Brett Stephen's view being motivated by some immigrant lover].

    After all, more Muslims in America means Jews have to leave. And its not as though Tel Aviv beats say, Palm Beach or NYC. You don't see Sarah Silverman, Jerry Seinfeld, Howard Stern, and Adam Sandler decamping for Israel and leaving the US behind. Jews have had to leave France, a very nice place to live, because Muslims will not allow them to stay. Same with Britain.

    However there is something deeply wrong with White people. We have a deep seated genetic flaw -- utopian idealism, a denial of reality in favor of some future nirvana, status signaling altruism, a desire to be Mini-Jesuses and "uplift" Third World peoples. And that genetic flaw can be seen in elite Upper Class women like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts adopting African babies to St. Francis beaming in approval when Muslims in North Africa tortured and beheaded his acolytes he sent to convert them. "Now I have disciples" he exclaimed.

    Duh. A media urbanite catering to women and gays prefers immigrants over natives. The same thing can be said of Macron, Trudeau, the Pope, and Wolfgang Schauble. All famously, not Jews.

    This is important because the fall of the West is not "the Jewwwwssssss!" but the radical disconnect and indeed radically different interests of White men and women and the genetic flaws in Whites: utopian idealism and radical status signaling in a mate market gone awry with the condom and pill and rising female income and independence. Women do well under conquerors, most women in France had a blast with the German soldiers and Nazi occupiers. Men in forced labor camps, not so much.

    Most White women probably agree with Stephens, not because they are Jewish but because they have a hatred of the deplorables. Who do you think voted Macron, Trudeau, and Obama after all? After all, if a White man is worthy he will be successful even if you handicap him. Right? Loyalty and foresight mean nothing next to tingles.

    “I’d bet there is a non-trivial chance of Brett Stephen’s view being motivated by some immigrant lover”

    Nah, he’s got a wife and 3 kids.

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  236. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Someone should take a representative stack of mass media and upper-middlebrow sources from the last few decades and check to see if there's been a sharp decline in the way people like Brett Stevens have been speaking to and about the rest of us. I'm certain their has been and I think there's more than one reason for the decline.

    Of course there's the sharp decline in civility generally -- look at what cretins George Bush Jr. and Jeb are compared to their father, mother or grandfather -- but there's also the nearly universal haughtiness and triumphalism journalists got as they realized just how much they could get away with. Saying whatever misanthropic or ethnically chauvinist thing that comes into one's head must be quite an addictive thrill; kind of like dropping things on people passing below your apartment building. Before the web, Twitter and Trump, they could get up to whatever they wanted to, as long as they steered clear of targets who could afford to litigate for years or were in some other way higher up the food chain than them.

    Of course there’s the sharp decline in civility generally — look at what cretins George Bush Jr. and Jeb are compared to their father, mother or grandfather —

    Neither George W. Bush nor Jeb Bush are notably ‘cretinous’ or uncivil. Their father had many talents and virtues. He was also a highly competitive man for whom issues were instrumental; his 26 years in public life were, in some sense, pointless. He was also a wretched public speaker most of the time (though not all of the time). Their mother is an elegant, amusing, and, all things considered, industrious woman. I’m not sure why you’d compare them to their mother. Neither George W. or Jeb would be expected to have the virtues of a society wife.

    And how does their grandfather enter into this at all? He was a political hobbyist with a set of attitudes which were likely modal among non-ethnic patricians ca. 1948. (He also had an atrocious temper in domestic circumstances, to the point that his daughter-in-law was afraid of him).

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  237. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous
    Bret Stephens sounds like one of those modern Jews (they aren't alone) that seem to be longing for the Neo-British World Empire. The Sun Never Sets on the Propositional Empire! Come the New Propositional Man!

    Bret Stephens sounds like one of those modern Jews (they aren’t alone) that seem to be longing for the Neo-British World Empire.

    I think Jonah Goldberg wrote a column about 18 years ago advancing the proposition that the West should place tropical Africa under trusteeship. That aside, the notion that anyone is advocating a ‘neo-British world empire’ is tommyrot.

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    • Replies: @K
    That they should....well atleast the parts where there is constant civil war. Some tribes over there are very brutal to each other. I hate saying it, but until they 'cool down' UN not a country should govern.
  238. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius
    Drezner's still got Stockholm Syndrome from being denied tenure at Chicago.

    Rubbish. Read his wife‘s profile of him penned in the aftermath of his troubles at Chicago. “The most confident man I’ve ever known…”. Being a supercilious twerp is baked into the man’s DNA.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    No, there's a Krugmanesque turn to his writing pre and post Chicago.

    Wives are not the most disinterested sources.
  239. Art Deco says:
    @Who Rescued Whom
    Don't forget Kevin Williamson. He may lack (((echoes))) but he feels the same way. (Traitors are always worse than enemies.)

    Yes, this is what having ethnic privilege actually looks like. White Americans had it for a long time. They have not had it for a lifetime.

    Williamson’s a rude creature. He’s also Joe Blow from Lubbock, Tex. How does he have ‘ethnic privilege’?

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    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    It's aspirational on his part. Williamson may be a hick from Texas, but he's now writing for a 'prestigious' magazine like NR and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg. He can't disavow any remaining regional loyalties fast enough.

    I've always wondered if Kevin were not a scion of the "Terrible Williamsons," American gypsies who have for generations subsisted on various schemes to cheat the rubes in flyover country:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1971/05/16/archives/cincinnati-merchants-await-annual-visit-of-terrible-williamsons-a.html?_r=0

    If this be the case, perhaps he feels some kinship with a more successful group of rootless cosmopolitans that have refined the same basic economic methods and improved the take by several orders of magnitude. It's one thing to sell suburbanites "driveway resurfacing" that consists of several gallons of used crankcase oil, and quite another to devise Goldman Sachs. A man with a background of low-buck fraud could only look upon such operators with a mixture of wonder and envy, thinking, "how can I be like them?"
    , @3g4me
    @250 Art Deco: "Williamson’s a rude creature. He’s also Joe Blow from Lubbock, Tex. How does he have ‘ethnic privilege’?"

    He's a Mulatto passing judgment on members of the White working class while claiming to be one of them; a version of the Jew's "Hello, fellow White man" gambit.
  240. K says:
    @Art Deco
    Bret Stephens sounds like one of those modern Jews (they aren’t alone) that seem to be longing for the Neo-British World Empire.

    I think Jonah Goldberg wrote a column about 18 years ago advancing the proposition that the West should place tropical Africa under trusteeship. That aside, the notion that anyone is advocating a 'neo-British world empire' is tommyrot.

    That they should….well atleast the parts where there is constant civil war. Some tribes over there are very brutal to each other. I hate saying it, but until they ‘cool down’ UN not a country should govern.

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  241. Art Deco says:
    @Thea
    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It's like claiming the only victims of Islamic bombings in London are the ones facing Islamaphobia as a result.

    Perhaps the ADF paid Stephens to churn this crap out to get more donations as result of the Goyims' legitimate backlash.

    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It takes no chutzpah at all. American Jewry did not write this column, Bret Stephens did.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    I never said American Jewry said but it undeniable that prominent Jews think this way in large percent. Don't be shocked when the general public attributes it to all Jews.

    There is pretty clearly a strong anti-gentile current coming out of some Synagogues and Day Schools or we wouldn't see this phenomenon repeated from that particular, very small community. We can't fix that for you.
    , @ben tillman

    It takes no chutzpah at all. American Jewry did not write this column, Bret Stephens did.
     
    Traditional Jewish law says that every Jew is responsible for the deeds of each.

    As Salo Baron wrote in A Social and Religious History of the Jews (perhaps the most comprehensive history of the Jewish people ever written), “To this day orthodox Jewish ethics has remained in its essence national rather than individual, and this accounts, incidentally, for the otherwise incomprehensible legal theorem of the common responsibility of all Jews for the deeds of each.”
  242. @Art Deco
    Rubbish. Read his wife's profile of him penned in the aftermath of his troubles at Chicago. "The most confident man I've ever known...". Being a supercilious twerp is baked into the man's DNA.

    No, there’s a Krugmanesque turn to his writing pre and post Chicago.

    Wives are not the most disinterested sources.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Without a doubt, his wife thought she was being complimentary.

    He's not at all like Krugman. Krugman, by virtue of theoretical work he did a generation ago, is an accomplished economist. One of the mysteries of the last 20 years is why someone of his reputation and standing was willing to trash it all. Drezner is employed by a research university. Within that set of academic social researchers, he's rank-and-file. What is unusual is that he has entree into general audience literature (as did Stephen Jay Gould). I doubt he's ever published anything that was of more than mild interest to anyone not forced to regurgiatate it for one of his classes.

    Drezner's signature is not vitriolic attacks on people, but snotty condescension.
  243. Art Deco says:
    @bored identity
    As always, you're full of public defecation - too bad we ain't in Colorado anymore.




    Goldstof, along with other members of the organization named Reservists on Duty, is currently touring college campuses and meeting with Jewish students and parents in the United States to learn firsthand about BDS and form partnerships with organizations fighting it.

     

    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that "Reservists on Duty", or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country's Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    Should spineless Murray and gutsy Coulter try to get to Berkeley with some IDF-cosplaying jumpsuit and home-made Israeli passport?

    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that “Reservists on Duty”, or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country’s Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    You’ll have to ask an attorney. He’s a foreign citizen on a speaking tour. I doubt that’s covered under that particular statute.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    I'm glad that you 've cleared this conundrum for ever confused bored identity;

    "Foreign Citizen on a Speaking Tour."

    So simple.


    That explains why Bad RasPutin and his protégé Aleksander Lukin, bus driver Maduro, Abbas the Philistine, Castro Jr, Iranian IRGC Inc, Who-the-fu@k-is-Ortega, Ophthalmologist Assad, Taliban Shura, Sultan Erdogan, and some other minor vilains would like to send couple of hundreds emissaries to entertain domestic SJW knuckleheads with a ...speaking tours on American universities.


    Where do they apply?
  244. @Art Deco
    Williamson's a rude creature. He's also Joe Blow from Lubbock, Tex. How does he have 'ethnic privilege'?

    It’s aspirational on his part. Williamson may be a hick from Texas, but he’s now writing for a ‘prestigious’ magazine like NR and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg. He can’t disavow any remaining regional loyalties fast enough.

    I’ve always wondered if Kevin were not a scion of the “Terrible Williamsons,” American gypsies who have for generations subsisted on various schemes to cheat the rubes in flyover country:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1971/05/16/archives/cincinnati-merchants-await-annual-visit-of-terrible-williamsons-a.html?_r=0

    If this be the case, perhaps he feels some kinship with a more successful group of rootless cosmopolitans that have refined the same basic economic methods and improved the take by several orders of magnitude. It’s one thing to sell suburbanites “driveway resurfacing” that consists of several gallons of used crankcase oil, and quite another to devise Goldman Sachs. A man with a background of low-buck fraud could only look upon such operators with a mixture of wonder and envy, thinking, “how can I be like them?”

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg.

    Goldberg is not a 'high-toned intellectual' and likely would never claim to be. He's a professional opinion-monger. He does not have the kind of liberal education that Wm. Buckley did, nor the scholarship and perspicacity of a man like Thomas Sowell.

    Read Kevin Willimason's accounts of his adventures as a newspaper editor. The man's either the boss from hell or he wants you to fancy he is. Read the stories he tells about himself (e.g. where he stole the iPhone of a perfect stranger because she was looking at it during a theatrical performance and the glow was annoying him). Compare what he says about vernacular America and the actual numbers on production and employment. The man is a vocational jack-wagon, and an innumerate one to boot. No clue why anyone would employ him.
  245. Art Deco says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    And yet, somehow, the number of chosenites agitating in the US to get immigration under control, or even resisting the destruction of the Caucasian race anywhere at all, is vanishingly small. Coincidence no doubt.

    Most of us here are concerned with what's good for our country. You and your kind are only concerned with what you think is good for your tribe.

    The irony there is, as history has shown time and again, you're not even good at identifying what that is.

    And yet, somehow, the number of chosenites agitating in the US to get immigration under control, or even resisting the destruction of the Caucasian race anywhere at all, is vanishingly small. Coincidence no doubt.

    The number of people of any description engaging in any sort of political agitation (much less employed as opinion mongers) is almost invariably a single-digit minority.

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  246. Olorin says:
    @Dennis Dale
    I suppose eventually it will be the people who aren't here yet are Who We Are. The Congolese, among others, "built that", are building "that" right now! How can we not let them in?

    This was observed hereabouts not long ago over Ramadan beer and ribs.

    The talk was of the big things the assembled were spending their lengthy work days/weeks building. Neat stuff, big stuff, stuff that will make a lot of lives better for a long time. Plus a dab of grumbling about missing the wife, the kids, the friends, the ham radio, the gun club, the cattle, and about the improvements at home not getting made…because between working and sleeping and filling out paperwork, it doesn’t leave much time to build one’s personal life.

    Someone joked about that horrible white male privilege, and that got kicked around a bit.

    From there it was requested that we bow our heads in a moment of reverence for some teenager who, at this moment is learning to exercise his testosterone surge by spreading HIV among moist fleshy pockets in stinking shacks lining open sewer mud lanes…

    …for he, and the recipients of his seeds of life and death, will one day be held up as The Ones Who Built all those things.

    Somewhere around here I have a meme from about 15 years ago. It shows a white guy sitting by a lake, staring at a horizon light years beyond it. It says, “Every time my wife thanks god for the things I provide, I die a little inside.”

    I see these two phenomena as having major Boolean overlap.

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  247. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius
    No, there's a Krugmanesque turn to his writing pre and post Chicago.

    Wives are not the most disinterested sources.

    Without a doubt, his wife thought she was being complimentary.

    He’s not at all like Krugman. Krugman, by virtue of theoretical work he did a generation ago, is an accomplished economist. One of the mysteries of the last 20 years is why someone of his reputation and standing was willing to trash it all. Drezner is employed by a research university. Within that set of academic social researchers, he’s rank-and-file. What is unusual is that he has entree into general audience literature (as did Stephen Jay Gould). I doubt he’s ever published anything that was of more than mild interest to anyone not forced to regurgiatate it for one of his classes.

    Drezner’s signature is not vitriolic attacks on people, but snotty condescension.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Evidently you were concerned that there was one person here who wasn't convinced that you were a blowhard know-it-all and decided to rectify matters forthwith.

    Drezner made his name through his blog, that was good enough to get regular Instapundit links.

    Then Leiter got tenure, Drezner didn't, and Drezner made the deal with the devil that Sailer refused to. The similarity with Krugman was the change in tone (Krugman's deal got him marriage to a henpecking harpy, since he already had tenure, but the effect was the same). Now they're all trying to keep up with the Leiters.

    What little I've heard of Leiter lately suggests he may be moving in the opposite direction, a la Sam Harris.

    None of the above can hold a candle to Sailer, which is probably the root of their problem.
  248. @Maj. Kong
    You use the whip to make the horse go faster. Not their fault that the horse is addled by opiates. The working class needs to work harder so our hedge fund managers can get their just rewards.

    /sarc

    Don’t dwell too long on the pharma company responsible for the opiate crisis…

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  249. Art Deco says:
    @Crawfurdmuir
    It's aspirational on his part. Williamson may be a hick from Texas, but he's now writing for a 'prestigious' magazine like NR and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg. He can't disavow any remaining regional loyalties fast enough.

    I've always wondered if Kevin were not a scion of the "Terrible Williamsons," American gypsies who have for generations subsisted on various schemes to cheat the rubes in flyover country:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1971/05/16/archives/cincinnati-merchants-await-annual-visit-of-terrible-williamsons-a.html?_r=0

    If this be the case, perhaps he feels some kinship with a more successful group of rootless cosmopolitans that have refined the same basic economic methods and improved the take by several orders of magnitude. It's one thing to sell suburbanites "driveway resurfacing" that consists of several gallons of used crankcase oil, and quite another to devise Goldman Sachs. A man with a background of low-buck fraud could only look upon such operators with a mixture of wonder and envy, thinking, "how can I be like them?"

    and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg.

    Goldberg is not a ‘high-toned intellectual’ and likely would never claim to be. He’s a professional opinion-monger. He does not have the kind of liberal education that Wm. Buckley did, nor the scholarship and perspicacity of a man like Thomas Sowell.

    Read Kevin Willimason’s accounts of his adventures as a newspaper editor. The man’s either the boss from hell or he wants you to fancy he is. Read the stories he tells about himself (e.g. where he stole the iPhone of a perfect stranger because she was looking at it during a theatrical performance and the glow was annoying him). Compare what he says about vernacular America and the actual numbers on production and employment. The man is a vocational jack-wagon, and an innumerate one to boot. No clue why anyone would employ him.

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    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg.

    Goldberg is not a ‘high-toned intellectual’ and likely would never claim to be. He’s a professional opinion-monger. He does not have the kind of liberal education that Wm. Buckley did, nor the scholarship and perspicacity of a man like Thomas Sowell.
     

    While it impresses me that Goldberg has an unduly high opinion of himself, I didn't intend to say he was a "high-toned intellectual." I meant to suggest that Williamson probably thinks that's what Goldberg is - and thinks that hanging out with the likes of Goldberg and being an NR staffer places him in Highly Superior Company.
  250. Thea says:
    @Art Deco
    But in response to articles like this, in particular, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to harass us for being anti-Semites in reaction to a Jew cheering for our demise.

    It takes no chutzpah at all. American Jewry did not write this column, Bret Stephens did.

    I never said American Jewry said but it undeniable that prominent Jews think this way in large percent. Don’t be shocked when the general public attributes it to all Jews.

    There is pretty clearly a strong anti-gentile current coming out of some Synagogues and Day Schools or we wouldn’t see this phenomenon repeated from that particular, very small community. We can’t fix that for you.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I never said American Jewry

    You're not kvetching about Jews because you don't think they're collectively responsible.


    There is pretty clearly a strong anti-gentile current coming out of some Synagogues and Day Schools or we wouldn’t see this phenomenon repeated from that particular, very small community. We can’t fix that for you.

    There is no indication - none whatsoever - that this man or his wife have ever had squat to do with Synagogues or day schools (most Jews have no affiliation with either). He's a rich kid who grew up abroad and has spent his adult life in New York and Chicago. Other than residing in New York, his life is dissimilar to that of rank-and-file Jews. And, again, they did not write the column, he did.

    You're all fixated on a contextually tiny population of opinion journalists and you misconceive some of them to boot. (Starting with Wm. Kristol and his father, who've had no interest in picking fights with gentiles qua gentiles; you want to see that, look at Leon Wieseltier or Podhoretz consigliere Neil Kozodoy).
  251. Olorin says:
    @Lord Jeff Sessions
    some of the comments on the WaPo article are pretty funny:

    jadegold2000
    5/3/2017 8:08 AM EDT
    Apparently, "The Road to Character" lies somewhere near the intersection of "Bored with Wife/Kids" and "Hey, Look at that Young Hottie who works for me."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/04/30/new-york-times-columnist-david-brooks-weds-his-former-researcher-anne-snyder/#comments
     

    One of them refers to an NYT piece of his that I consider among the top 50 most cringeworthy effusions in the English language:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/opinion/david-brooks-leaving-and-cleaving.html

    In which he tells his ex wife to go take a hike and not plague him with her feelings because he’s moved on to the younger, and we presume more goyische, monkey.

    IME it seems to be a pattern among rich/famous Jews to dump the first, Jewish, wife for a second, usually daughterly in age and shikstastic. In Brooks’s case, he caught an evangelical Christian gal just a couple years out of college [Wheaton].

    Cf.:

    http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=113885

    Lord Jeff, do you know who is the…person…to the left in the schmeerkunst rose painting? The one with Asian features and culturally appropriated hair, whose hand/knee Brooks’s new squeeze is holding.

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    Could be a relative? Wifey v.2 has Chinese eyes, possibly hapa, or whatever classification you lot use? Smile/teeth too, a bit.
    https://generationgraduate.wordpress.com/about/anne-snyder/

    (I'm not a Meltingpotarian, just an old eurofossil, but am quite confident in recognising European phenotypes, and there's something about the girl).
  252. anarchyst says:
    @bored identity
    As always, you're full of public defecation - too bad we ain't in Colorado anymore.




    Goldstof, along with other members of the organization named Reservists on Duty, is currently touring college campuses and meeting with Jewish students and parents in the United States to learn firsthand about BDS and form partnerships with organizations fighting it.

     

    How is it normal under existing FARA regulations that "Reservists on Duty", or fellow travelers of Any Other Foreign Country's Armed Reserve Forces are allowed to tour US campuses without being registered as the agents representing the interests of foreign power?

    Should spineless Murray and gutsy Coulter try to get to Berkeley with some IDF-cosplaying jumpsuit and home-made Israeli passport?

    It’s NOT normal for a foreign military to tour American college campuses.
    Israel is the one exception. Not only does Israel “recruit” Americans, it refuses to abide by IAEA agreements. Any other country doing so is not permitted to receive U S “foreign aid”. Americans can freely serve in Israel’s military without renouncing or fear of losing American citizenship. This is not true for any other country…
    AIPAC, despite being an “agent of a foreign government” is not required to register with the U S Stated Department as such. Any other foreign organization would be required to register and would be subject to restrictions regarding “agents of a foreign government”.
    There are forty or so congressmen and senators who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. There are THOUSANDS of influential “policy wonks” in the federal government who also hold “dual citizenship” with Israel.
    One can only wonder where their allegiances lie. Hint: It sure ain’t with the United States.
    Dual citizenship must be abolished. All adherents to such must renounce their foreign citizenship or face mandatory permanent deportation.

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  253. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    As usual, you make some very good points about Nice White Ladies and whites in general that are completely undermined by your unwillingness to acknowledge the elephant sitting in the middle of the room.

    Jews (or, if it makes you feel better, elite Jews) have been a key driver in the dismantling of the West. Would it have happened without them? Possibly, maybe even likely. But to discount their contribution and motivation makes you look delusional, which is unfortunate because you do make many very important observations.

    At the end of day, whites must take the blame for what is happening to us. Jews may be pushing the ball down the hill to speed things up, but we're letting them do it. In essence, you can't con and honest man, no matter how good a con man you are.

    Related to that, I agree with you: There's something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    At first, this was a huge advantage to whites. It helped with IQ. It helped promote science. But, most importantly, it allowed NW Europeans to form large enterprises composed of non-related people that worked together, such as militaries and corporations. These large, highly organized enterprises could smash smaller, less organized tribal enterprises, especially as our scientific abilities increased. NW Europeans conquered the world with this model.

    However, cleansing our systems of family clans also made us view our governments and our leaders, even media leaders, as our substitute clan leaders. Pick up a gun and go to war against Germans in 1914 or 1917 (US) because . . . well . . . because of democracy, yeah, that's it, democracy! Yes, sir. I'll go get my arm blown off for no good reason. We developed an insane trust in our governments, even if those in our government could care less about us. We have given our governments the trust that we should be giving our tribal leaders.

    In addition, we also changed the world. We brought communication to the world. We brought easy transportation to the world. Now, the world could see what our lives looked like and could easily travel to our countries. And they are coming, just as you would expect. Except we have no natural defense against them because we've lost our ability to think as a tribe.

    The Japanese have a simple (and perfect) answer to any question about immigration: They are not our people. Not even a Jew can counter that simple statement, just as even the most clever lawyer can't counter my saying that I won't allow a refugee to live in my house because he's not my blood child.

    Whites just can't think that way. And we very well may disappear because of it.

    Frankly, I've lost hope that whites as currently constituted can survive as a people. Our only hope is that those of us that still retain a tribal nature will eventually come together and carve out a place for ourselves. Will that happen? Probably not. Even if it did, my guess is that at best 25% of whites fit the bill.

    There will be a massive culling of the herd for whites to get us back to where we were a thousand years ago.

    There’s something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    Jews and others have created a system of rewards and punishments in which the costs to Whites of thinking and acting as a tribe outweigh the immediate benefits. It’s a coordination problem.

    This doesn’t require an elaborate evolutionary explanation, or some essentialist cause. Simply ask what happens to Whites who speak in terms of White interests.

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    True. But how did we reach this point and why did whites allows this point to be reached? Other groups have refused.
  254. @Art Deco
    Without a doubt, his wife thought she was being complimentary.

    He's not at all like Krugman. Krugman, by virtue of theoretical work he did a generation ago, is an accomplished economist. One of the mysteries of the last 20 years is why someone of his reputation and standing was willing to trash it all. Drezner is employed by a research university. Within that set of academic social researchers, he's rank-and-file. What is unusual is that he has entree into general audience literature (as did Stephen Jay Gould). I doubt he's ever published anything that was of more than mild interest to anyone not forced to regurgiatate it for one of his classes.

    Drezner's signature is not vitriolic attacks on people, but snotty condescension.

    Evidently you were concerned that there was one person here who wasn’t convinced that you were a blowhard know-it-all and decided to rectify matters forthwith.

    Drezner made his name through his blog, that was good enough to get regular Instapundit links.

    Then Leiter got tenure, Drezner didn’t, and Drezner made the deal with the devil that Sailer refused to. The similarity with Krugman was the change in tone (Krugman’s deal got him marriage to a henpecking harpy, since he already had tenure, but the effect was the same). Now they’re all trying to keep up with the Leiters.

    What little I’ve heard of Leiter lately suggests he may be moving in the opposite direction, a la Sam Harris.

    None of the above can hold a candle to Sailer, which is probably the root of their problem.

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    Correction: Leiter was lured to Chicago at roughly the same time Drezner was not making tenure. Both were prominent early bloggers. Only one was a condescending asshole at the time.
    , @Lot

    What little I’ve heard of Leiter lately suggests he may be moving in the opposite direction, a la Sam Harris.
     
    So you think he was guilty of poop-mailing, or was he framed? I am like 50/50 on the issue.
  255. @Desiderius
    Evidently you were concerned that there was one person here who wasn't convinced that you were a blowhard know-it-all and decided to rectify matters forthwith.

    Drezner made his name through his blog, that was good enough to get regular Instapundit links.

    Then Leiter got tenure, Drezner didn't, and Drezner made the deal with the devil that Sailer refused to. The similarity with Krugman was the change in tone (Krugman's deal got him marriage to a henpecking harpy, since he already had tenure, but the effect was the same). Now they're all trying to keep up with the Leiters.

    What little I've heard of Leiter lately suggests he may be moving in the opposite direction, a la Sam Harris.

    None of the above can hold a candle to Sailer, which is probably the root of their problem.

    Correction: Leiter was lured to Chicago at roughly the same time Drezner was not making tenure. Both were prominent early bloggers. Only one was a condescending asshole at the time.

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  256. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    As usual, you make some very good points about Nice White Ladies and whites in general that are completely undermined by your unwillingness to acknowledge the elephant sitting in the middle of the room.

    Jews (or, if it makes you feel better, elite Jews) have been a key driver in the dismantling of the West. Would it have happened without them? Possibly, maybe even likely. But to discount their contribution and motivation makes you look delusional, which is unfortunate because you do make many very important observations.

    At the end of day, whites must take the blame for what is happening to us. Jews may be pushing the ball down the hill to speed things up, but we're letting them do it. In essence, you can't con and honest man, no matter how good a con man you are.

    Related to that, I agree with you: There's something wrong with whites. We seemingly have no ability to think as a tribe, and, in a world of instant communication and easy transport, that may be the kiss of death. My suspicion is that HBD Chick has identified where we went off the rails. Clannishness was slowly bred out of NW Europeans over a thousand plus years to protect kings and later democratic governments.

    At first, this was a huge advantage to whites. It helped with IQ. It helped promote science. But, most importantly, it allowed NW Europeans to form large enterprises composed of non-related people that worked together, such as militaries and corporations. These large, highly organized enterprises could smash smaller, less organized tribal enterprises, especially as our scientific abilities increased. NW Europeans conquered the world with this model.

    However, cleansing our systems of family clans also made us view our governments and our leaders, even media leaders, as our substitute clan leaders. Pick up a gun and go to war against Germans in 1914 or 1917 (US) because . . . well . . . because of democracy, yeah, that's it, democracy! Yes, sir. I'll go get my arm blown off for no good reason. We developed an insane trust in our governments, even if those in our government could care less about us. We have given our governments the trust that we should be giving our tribal leaders.

    In addition, we also changed the world. We brought communication to the world. We brought easy transportation to the world. Now, the world could see what our lives looked like and could easily travel to our countries. And they are coming, just as you would expect. Except we have no natural defense against them because we've lost our ability to think as a tribe.

    The Japanese have a simple (and perfect) answer to any question about immigration: They are not our people. Not even a Jew can counter that simple statement, just as even the most clever lawyer can't counter my saying that I won't allow a refugee to live in my house because he's not my blood child.

    Whites just can't think that way. And we very well may disappear because of it.

    Frankly, I've lost hope that whites as currently constituted can survive as a people. Our only hope is that those of us that still retain a tribal nature will eventually come together and carve out a place for ourselves. Will that happen? Probably not. Even if it did, my guess is that at best 25% of whites fit the bill.

    There will be a massive culling of the herd for whites to get us back to where we were a thousand years ago.

    I would say an even larger reason is because the Japanese do not practice democracy as we know it at all. Its very difficult to infiltrate a system or a government that has veiled rules which basically goes “nuh uh” to you at any time it seems like they want to: famously, there was a hostile takeover of a Japanese company by an American company.

    Yet when the board of directors went over and stated that since they now have 60% of the stock, they should have proportional representation, the Japanese company simply said “we do not do this” and basically arbitrarily refused to hand over ownership. And in this, they were successful. Needless to say, foreign investment money does not flow much to Japan. There are consequences for such attitudes.

    They seem to treat immigration in a similar manner. And as in business, it does come with a significant financial and social cost, but its one that they mostly hold the line on.

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    Yes, simply saying "No" is remarkable effective - if you have people to back you up.

    No violence is needed.
  257. @Art Deco
    and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg.

    Goldberg is not a 'high-toned intellectual' and likely would never claim to be. He's a professional opinion-monger. He does not have the kind of liberal education that Wm. Buckley did, nor the scholarship and perspicacity of a man like Thomas Sowell.

    Read Kevin Willimason's accounts of his adventures as a newspaper editor. The man's either the boss from hell or he wants you to fancy he is. Read the stories he tells about himself (e.g. where he stole the iPhone of a perfect stranger because she was looking at it during a theatrical performance and the glow was annoying him). Compare what he says about vernacular America and the actual numbers on production and employment. The man is a vocational jack-wagon, and an innumerate one to boot. No clue why anyone would employ him.

    and hanging out with high-toned intellectuals like Jonah Goldberg.

    Goldberg is not a ‘high-toned intellectual’ and likely would never claim to be. He’s a professional opinion-monger. He does not have the kind of liberal education that Wm. Buckley did, nor the scholarship and perspicacity of a man like Thomas Sowell.

    While it impresses me that Goldberg has an unduly high opinion of himself, I didn’t intend to say he was a “high-toned intellectual.” I meant to suggest that Williamson probably thinks that’s what Goldberg is – and thinks that hanging out with the likes of Goldberg and being an NR staffer places him in Highly Superior Company.

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    While it impresses me that Goldberg has an unduly high opinion of himself,

    There is not much indication of that in Goldberg's writing.



    I didn’t intend to say he was a “high-toned intellectual.” I meant to suggest that Williamson probably thinks that’s what Goldberg is

    Again, read some of Williamson's sidelong memoirs. The man despises people by default. I doubt his disposition toward Goldberg is much different.
  258. Lot says:
    @res

    So you concede the point?
     
    Hardly. If you want to play like your last paragraph, the practical benefit is I get to vent. More seriously, normalizing truthful criticism of corrosive influences on our society is a very real practical benefit.

    What behavior of mine is it that you want to change? You think I should join in the defamation of half my ancestors?
     
    As opposed to standing by while they defame the other half? Or is that other half the non-Jewish urban elite that is also perfectly happy to criticize and/or race replace the rest of America?

    And seriously, defamation? Please point out where I have said something untrue.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
    "Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and must have been made to someone other than the person defamed."

    As for what I would like you to do. That would be to admit that people like Bret Stephens are a destructive force. And to admit that others saying so is not proof positive of "anti-semitism."

    Be a good person generally, and donate your time and money here:
     
    That sounds pretty reasonable. Perhaps you could persuade Bret Stephens and company to do something similar and stop printing this nonsense in the NYT.

    normalizing truthful criticism of corrosive influences on our society is a very real practical benefit.

    Except in practice anti-semites tarnish the rest of the far right by association.

    That would be to admit that people like Bret Stephens are a destructive force. And to admit that others saying so is not proof positive of “anti-semitism.”

    I agree on both points.

    Perhaps you could persuade Bret Stephens and company to do something similar and stop printing this nonsense in the NYT.

    I am flattered you think I have the ability to do so.

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    I am flattered you think I have the ability to do so.

    You do. So cease your self indulgence and get in touch with him.