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  1. iffen says:

    It probably wouldn’t cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You should lead the alt-right.
    , @Anonymous
    4chan-tier levels of trolling.

    How can this be implemented!
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I was advocating for this weeks ago! I will gladly sponsor ten black homeless men to go spend their day in a Starbucks in one of our nicer, preferably jewish communities.
    , @PapayaSF
    That's a good idea for local, competing coffee shops.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Aren't hipsters, SJWs, and baristas (in debt for $100,000+ in college loans for undergrad degrees in STD Acquisition, Hangover Installation Tech 101, and Medieval Moldovan Architecture Gender Oppression Studies) already sensitive enough? They've had enough useless training already.

    Charbuck$ soon will be hiring Latinos to do the jobs Barista-Americans will presently refuse to do any longer: picking up Hep-C/AIDS syringes and Hep-A poop and blood splatter of non-paying "customers" (a truly Orwellian concept). Oh, the humanity!

    , @dr kill
    Hahaha, likely the town fathers would spring for the van and have a city employee drive.
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  2. I couldn’t tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I couldn’t tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.
     
    I know, and you were making so much f**king noise, I was having trouble hitting a vein. Have some manners!
    , @International Jew
    For three hours?
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  3. JH says:

    They virtued signaled themselves into an untenable situation.

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  4. Thanks!

    You are more responsive to your readers than any writer/blogger I know.

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  5. peterike says:

    My guess is that some Jews and some blacks told a lot of white people to stop being so damn racist.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes lots of that.

    However I'm sure SB management will also be taking people aside for quiet off-the-record instruction in how to eject undesirables from stores without causing a scandal. I suspect that is the real purpose of this exercise.

    , @markflag
    Spelled it wrong, it bes raycis.
    , @Anon
    Not exactly. The Whites were told they are inherently evil, destined to disappear because of non White immigration and a curse on mankind.

    I wonder if the diversity trainers are still telling White women are racist and subject to firing if they reject sex harassenrbt by Black & Hispanic men?
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  6. Clyde says:

    For what it is worth – I read that Starbuck’s black employees do not have to attend. But why wouldn’t they? Along with black & minority customers they are the stars of whitey’s self flagellation enterprise.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If they had to attend there would be an issue of punctuality.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Of course Black employees should be forced to attend. I was at a WalMart Express grocery store once and a Black woman was actually using the RACE CARD on the Black man store manager to try to convince him that not doing a price match to a store many miles away was RACIST!
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  7. Hugh says:

    The struggle session will make it easier to recruit baristas to the alt right.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @International Jew
    We'll be unbeatable then!
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  8. I didn’t expect my cyberpunk world to be so faggy or so boring.

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  9. More progresso, with a double shot of abjectness:

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    • Replies: @fitzGetty
    ... girl on girl spite knows no boundary ...
    , @sfoil
    Imagine slighting a Party Member like that. They practically fired themselves!
    , @Anon
    Didn’t Oprah try the same thing in Switzerland? The closed sign was already turned and as the clerk was locking the door. Oprah just shoved the clerk out if the way and bulled her way in.

    They refused to serve her and she screamed racism. Gucci stood by its employees.

    I looked at some royal wedding videos about the guests and their clothes. Oprah was quite a sight. She looks about 5’7 350 massive bone structure. She has that feet & legs wide apart ponderous obesity plus lumbering stance and walk.

    Her dress was pale pink with a a skirt in 3 layers trimmed with ruffles, like something for a 6 year old. And not realizing she was on camera she had the typical testosterone overload bullying black woman scowl.

    Never watched her show as I can’t stand talk shows and big fat ugly black women.
    I’ve seen many pictures of her, including pictures when she was in her 20s. She has had a lot of plastic surgery.
    In her 20s she had a short wide bulldog face with a wide square jaw. The surgeons have lengthened her face and tapered her jaw to give her a chin

    Yet she made billions just being herself, a loudmouth arrogant obese black woman.

    , @Forbes
    Portlandia. 'Nuff said.
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  10. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    My guess is that some Jews and some blacks told a lot of white people to stop being so damn racist.

    Yes lots of that.

    However I’m sure SB management will also be taking people aside for quiet off-the-record instruction in how to eject undesirables from stores without causing a scandal. I suspect that is the real purpose of this exercise.

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    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Yep. And soon enough one (several most likely) of those "aside session" key employees will have a hidden body A/V rig. Starbucks employees are generally quite tech gadget proficient, regardless of their personal politics and how much they love or hate their employer and their yob.

    Look for more rotten egg splatter all over the place for Starbucks.
    , @Barnard
    I doubt it. Corporate management doesn't really care how uncomfortable this makes the front line workers. Plus they have backed themselves into such a corner that there really isn't a way to eject undesirables without causing a scandal.

    Maybe it is different in other parts of the country, but where I live, it appears Starbucks gets more business through the drive up window than people sitting in the store drinking coffee. This article would claims that is the case nationwide. Having 70% of sales come through the window is consistent with what I have heard about other fast food places. If they have stores where undesirables cause problems or pose a safety risk, they will change the location to a drive thru only location and close the seating area. The small amount of lost sales will be insignificant compared to dealing with these other problems.

    http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/as-starbucks-embraces-the-drive-thru-a-few-speed-traps-ahead
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  11. Dutch Boy says:

    No prob – Mozart and Vivaldi will keep out the scum.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Dutch, Add in Pachelbel's Canon in D for the single black mom's, Nessun dorma for all the slugs sleeping at the tables and Panis Angelicus for those who want a bagel with their latte and SB become a musical destination.
    , @Pericles
    ... some Bach organ works to mop up any remaining resistance ...
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  12. markflag says:
    @peterike
    My guess is that some Jews and some blacks told a lot of white people to stop being so damn racist.

    Spelled it wrong, it bes raycis.

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  13. fitzGetty says:
    @candid_observer
    More progresso, with a double shot of abjectness:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1001341049963364352

    … girl on girl spite knows no boundary …

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    • Replies: @iffen
    … girl on girl spite knows no boundary …

    Female/male difference.

    Females will hug it out and make up only to bring everything back up, verbatim, in a month or two, hug it out, ad infinitum.

    Males will fight it out and become bonded best friends and never mention it again, or will remain permanent enemies and stay out of each other's way.
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  14. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    Off-Topic:

    Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused

    https://NYTi.ms/2GXDilN

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Opioids being abused? Wanna see my shocked face...

    Oxy has been known as Hillbilly heroin for how long?
    , @Rona
    Both the George W. Bush administration and the Purdue Pharma owners (((Sacklers))) fully knew what was going on. In the last two decades 200,000 people dead. It's interesting that back in the day of the evil WASP elite one Sackler was denied college admission because Jew quota was already filled so he went to UK to study medicine. He was, unfortunately, let back in.
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  15. @Anonymous
    Yes lots of that.

    However I'm sure SB management will also be taking people aside for quiet off-the-record instruction in how to eject undesirables from stores without causing a scandal. I suspect that is the real purpose of this exercise.

    Yep. And soon enough one (several most likely) of those “aside session” key employees will have a hidden body A/V rig. Starbucks employees are generally quite tech gadget proficient, regardless of their personal politics and how much they love or hate their employer and their yob.

    Look for more rotten egg splatter all over the place for Starbucks.

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  16. @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    You should lead the alt-right.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    You should lead the alt-right.

    Maybe Thor will let me serve as VP.
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  17. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    4chan-tier levels of trolling.

    How can this be implemented!

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  18. AndrewR says:

    What a Tuesday. Roseanne tweets silliness about Valerie Jarrett looking like an ape, then almost immediately posts pathetic, groveling apology, but they cancel her show anyway.

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  19. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Farm wages rise as labor supply tightens

    http://www.bakersfield.com/news/farm-wages-rise-as-labor-supply-tightens/article_aedc7fc0-606c-11e8-a238-c32ed3c483c9.html

    It’s hard work, but Joan Ibarra gladly harvests bok choy eight hours a day in the Bakersfield sun.

    Competition for farmworkers has gotten so tough lately that the 19-year-old now earns $12 per hour, plus a bonus for high productivity — more than he has ever made in his six years working local fields.

    The horror, the horror…

    We might actually have to pay our slaves.

    Fwiw, still lower pay than the garlic farm mentioned here a while ago.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/youll-never-guess-how-this-silicon-valley-farm-solved-its-labor-problem/

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  20. Garlic says:

    The big corporate lesson here is that if you’re going to do something like this, do it straight after the incident that gave you the initial bad publicity (say one week later).

    Starbucks has extended the story for, what?, a month for no reason whatsoever. It should be long forgotten by now.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Starbucks should have ignored the initial social media storm, which would have moved onto something else in a week or two. But CEO Schultz lives to virtue signal!
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  21. sfoil says: • Website
    @candid_observer
    More progresso, with a double shot of abjectness:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1001341049963364352

    Imagine slighting a Party Member like that. They practically fired themselves!

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  22. OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412

    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    It was an eye-roller but she gave a grovelling apology almost immediately, to no avail. One lesson I hope everyone can take from this is that apologizing is worthless at best when dealing with the left.
    , @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.
    , @BB753
    She probably knew she was going to get fired anyway, so she probably didn't give a damn anymore. It sounded more like a drunken tweet than a mean tweet to me.
    , @snorlax
    I'll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.
    , @J.Ross
    I'll accept your reasoning when offensively bad tweets get progressives' shows cancelled and "offensiveness" doesn't only work one way.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Was that really the tweet that did it? Roseanne was prolific on Twitter today, retweeting something about Tommy Robinson, taking shots at Chelsea Clinton and George Soros...

    https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001457150344945664
    , @Lot
    Roseanne was the highest rated scripted show on American television:

    "Either way, Roseanne is the highest-rated and most-watched series of the broadcast season, eclipsing NBC's This Is Us and CBS' Big Bang Theory — which had been in a heated battle for top status."

    Not only that, it disproportionately attracted younger viewers, pushing it ahead as more valuable than NBC's "the Voice" which had higher ratings overall.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-roseanne-finale-dips-but-dominates-abc-1114311

    I thought it was great TV.
    , @Ed
    It was a nasty tweet worthy of sanction but cancelling the show a few hours later is rash. It’s crazy and short sighted, not something you expect leaders to do. They shouldn’t react to Twitter outrage immediately.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America. Fox and Breitbart are already pushing back on her firing. Good chance Trump chimes in support.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Surprised at how latte Jarrett is. I remembered her as darker. Maybe that was someone else.

    Also surprised that 18 million viewers (out of 300 million population) constitutes one of the top rated shows. Just demonstrates how fragmented America's media landscape is.
    , @ben tillman

    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412

    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.
     

    She is stupid. I have no opinion on the Tweet since I don't know who Valerie Jarrett is.
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  23. We’ll have to wait for reports of any white or honorary white employees having been stupid enough to admit to racist feelings in any of these sessions.

    It’s difficult to imagine anyone being that dumb, but somehow at the same time it’s difficult to imagine anyone not being that dumb given the sheer numbers.

    One imagines that there will have been summary firings for failure of whites and honorary whites to participate with sufficient enthusiasm.

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  24. AndrewR says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    It was an eye-roller but she gave a grovelling apology almost immediately, to no avail. One lesson I hope everyone can take from this is that apologizing is worthless at best when dealing with the left.

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    Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness. - John Wayne
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  25. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    The Seattle coffee chain on Wednesday announced plans to build nearly 3,000 new stores in mainland China over the next few years. It’s aiming to almost double its number of coffee shops in the world’s second largest economy, from 3,300 at the moment to 6,000 before the end of 2022.
    That means opening 600 new Starbucks a year in China — or one every 15 hours — a significant increase on the company’s earlier goal of around 500 a year.

    The US homeless situation roundes to zero compared to global market. Expect to see managers on their own regarding common sense. Its about the brand, not the 1,000 or so US stores that may have problems.

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    The Seattle coffee chain on Wednesday announced plans to build nearly 3,000 new stores in mainland China over the next few years. It’s aiming to almost double its number of coffee shops in the world’s second largest economy, from 3,300 at the moment to 6,000 before the end of 2022.
    That means opening 600 new Starbucks a year in China — or one every 15 hours — a significant increase on the company’s earlier goal of around 500 a year.
     
    The US homeless situation roundes to zero compared to global market. Expect to see managers on their own regarding common sense. Its about the brand, not the 1,000 or so US stores that may have problems.

    Problem solved. The most populous country in the World, yet it will be extremely rare that a person of African origin will ever request use of the restroom without making a purchase. Hmmmm, did that go into there thinking?
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  26. Twinkie says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.
     
    I see this but we don't live in a society that prizes intellect or good taste - quite the opposite.

    When decorum and good taste is prized and bad taste decried by all, we can get upset about Roseanne's tweet.

    Additionally, it's in the very nature of comedy that comedians are going to go over the edge of good taste from time to time in an attempt to be funny or satirize. The fact of the matter is that Jarrett bears a more than passing resemblance to the character Zira. I think this is what Roseanne was thinking while tweeting.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It was stupid and in poor taste.
     
    Tasteful is smooth and smooth is full taste menthol refreshment.
    , @e
    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e...

    Sorry, I can't copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites "crackers." No one's been fired for it.

    , @dr kill
    I know, right? Roseanne should be on the short list to host the White House Correspondents Dinner next year. At least she's amusing.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Troll tag? Jeez, I guess you’re not a fan of KOOLs.
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  27. @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    I was advocating for this weeks ago! I will gladly sponsor ten black homeless men to go spend their day in a Starbucks in one of our nicer, preferably jewish communities.

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  28. BB753 says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    She probably knew she was going to get fired anyway, so she probably didn’t give a damn anymore. It sounded more like a drunken tweet than a mean tweet to me.

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  29. snorlax says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.

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    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
    , @TheBoom
    My guess it's that they were looking for an excuse to cancel it to virtue signal to their peers, as SJW love to do, that they put being woke over making money and speaking to their audience. I imagine that Roseanne's ratings didn't go over well at cocktail parties.
    , @e
    HA. Someone should string together a few George Lopez gigs. ABC employed him for years, had his own series. ABC wasn't bothered by his outright hate. With Lopez, it's real, not joking.

    Then, there's "Blackish," which takes shots at Trump voters, conservatives, whites all the time.

    Wanda Sykes, black comic, said she'd never appear on Roseanne again (this before ABC cancelled it. Sykes? Her standup is full of whitey put downs, although admittedly she doesn't spew the vitriol of Lopez.
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  30. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT another day, another murderously inept third world doctor. Bonus: prescribed bananas.

    https://www.theprogress.com/news/stage-4-cancer-patient-accuses-chilliwack-doctor-of-missing-diagnosis/

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  31. Twinkie says:

    OT: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Hilarious attempted “deportation” story. The best part is when the seemingly Chinese-American female said this:

    “If you cannot speak English, you are not going to be able to stay here,” added a woman whose voice alternated between English and Mandarin.

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    Oh really. A flight school actually pays attention to foreign students who might be breaking laws and you want to quibble about the practicality of a piper cub crossing the Pacific.
    , @Anonymous

    OT: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Hilarious attempted “deportation” story. The best part is when the seemingly Chinese-American female said this:

    “If you cannot speak English, you are not going to be able to stay here,” added a woman whose voice alternated between English and Mandarin.
     

     
    That’s a very bizarre story. My guess is there was a financial incentive involved. Some clause in the agreement with the Chinese company sponsoring these Chinese trainees that says they forfeit the $90k if the student fails out and this flight school then had a scheme to start failing students because of language skills. They expected these Chinese to be compliant.
    https://youtu.be/NH2P_pVze6s
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  32. If Chairman Howie is non compos mentis, but has Pozzed all the upper management over the years, the Starbucks board of directors will have both internal and external political problems in getting him out. Could be an early senility trainwreck being played out on a national stage.

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    • Replies: @fish

    Could be an early senility trainwreck being played out on a national stage.
     
    God I hope so!
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  33. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    I’ll accept your reasoning when offensively bad tweets get progressives’ shows cancelled and “offensiveness” doesn’t only work one way.

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  34. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    I'll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    They're not our enemies or our equals, they're rebellious children. In this case playing "fair" is mistaken.
    , @DFH
    Loser thinking
    , @Pericles
    This reasoning seems familiar somehow.

    If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win.

     

    Too bad we never will.
    , @snorlax
    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left's rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I'd prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we're at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we're getting. If it soothes your delicate psyche, remember that we're in the realm of pure hypothetical; no leftist show is ever getting canceled over a tweet (unless it offends fellow leftists).
    , @CCZ
    Throughout my life, I have always based my political ideas and actions on firm and hopefully consistent morals ("moral legitimacy"), but, very sadly, my experiences during the past 10-15 years and frequent encounters with racial grifting, anti-white, uber race conscious, people of color and (self-loathing) white guilt, social justice liberals has taught me that, behind the thin veneer of their supposed moral legitimacy, they believe and have made the conflict "all just about who wields power."

    That may be no excuse for bad behavior from "us," but the structural and cultural conflicts are indeed "all just about who wields power."
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Fuck it all, I want to win.
    , @Daniel Williams
    Because we live here.
    , @3g4me
    @23 Twinkie: "Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power."

    This, after I wrote I disagreed with you but respected your views? Why'd ya have ta go all 'TruCon' virtue signalling, Twinkie? Morality may represent the ultimate "win" (i.e. we Christians know Jesus triumphs in end times), but its record here among fatally-flawed humans ain't so hot. Those who prattle about morality in politics have, most recently, fielded Egg McMuffin for president (where morality = neocon zionism) and racially diversifying Whites out of existence (David French and fellow churchians parading around their very own Negro adoptees).

    Commie or not, Mao was not wrong when he said political power comes from a gun barrel. Ethno-nationalist Whites are jailed in the UK and the US (see: Charlottesville) and Whites who dare to utter angry words to numinous Negroes/mellifluous mulattoes/omniscient orientals/salubrious subcontinentals) are jailed for the crime of hurting feelings. Of course it's about "who wields power." It's always been a question of who/whom. I'd prefer White Europeans be the 'who,' at very least in their historic native lands. Morality doesn't particularly enter into racial reality and real-world tribalism (which all varieties of Asians/Orientals possess in spades, as well, if you're being honest here).

    "We deserve to win" depends heavily on how one defines "we" and whether or not one equates "deserves" with some esoteric notion of morality or with what best conforms to realism. In regard to politics, I much prefer the latter. That's what TruCons used to claim they represented. Now, they've switched to backing 'morality' as personified by color-blind equalitarianism, and the Hard Right supports reality. I know which side I'm on, and which has better odds in a fallen world of very broken people - which cannot and WILL not be 'fixed' by political morality or any other human endeavour.
    , @roo_ster
    They made the rules. I sure as hell want them applied to the fullest against them.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Morals so pure they cannot even be wielded in defense of our interests.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win.
     
    Deserves got nothin' to do with it

    If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    The time comes in the affairs of men when everything is about who wields power. When that day comes, you better have some.
    , @27 year old

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    Look wang lung, this isn't the Qing dynasty and there's no such thing as a Mandate of Heaven.

    We're better than the enemy because we're us and they're them, period, full stop.

    Our moral legitimacy comes from the same fact, we deserve to win because we're us.

    Yes, it really is all about who holds power. Hello? Deal with it

    We are technically better than them in an ojective sense but that literally doesn't matter at all.

    Ps- I'm about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks but I do have to point out that you aren't really part of "us". So it's not surprising that you don't get this and are taking the angle about muh principles and muh morals
    , @Jack Hanson
    Dave French, have you been LARPing as an Asian American "my fellow Alt Right" plant?
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.
    , @Brutusale
    Twinks, you know that the rules of the dojo don't apply in a dockside brawl.
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  35. Well, from this preview video of the training day by Starbucks, the event looks to be as grating as you could imagine. The white employees better limber up and lube up because they’re about to get it good and hard.

    https://news.starbucks.com/news/starbucks-curriculum-preview-for-may-29

    The higher-up white executives are my favorites. Hope the regular white employees see just how easily their betters will throw them under the bus. (In the executives’ defense, I bet they buy all of this BS.) Also, I’m sure Schultz will give a rousing “My Fellow White People” speech.

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  36. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    OT: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Hilarious attempted “deportation” story. The best part is when the seemingly Chinese-American female said this:

    “If you cannot speak English, you are not going to be able to stay here,” added a woman whose voice alternated between English and Mandarin.
     

    Oh really. A flight school actually pays attention to foreign students who might be breaking laws and you want to quibble about the practicality of a piper cub crossing the Pacific.

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  37. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    They’re not our enemies or our equals, they’re rebellious children. In this case playing “fair” is mistaken.

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  38. DFH says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Loser thinking

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  39. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Clyde
    For what it is worth - I read that Starbuck's black employees do not have to attend. But why wouldn't they? Along with black & minority customers they are the stars of whitey's self flagellation enterprise.

    If they had to attend there would be an issue of punctuality.

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  40. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope Starbucks goes down the toilet. Couldn’t have happened to a better hypocrite. Howard Schultz told Starbucks investors that the only way for Starbucks to grow is through mass immigration to America. The rich fuck needs a few more billions while he flushes America down the toilet.

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  41. Barnard says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes lots of that.

    However I'm sure SB management will also be taking people aside for quiet off-the-record instruction in how to eject undesirables from stores without causing a scandal. I suspect that is the real purpose of this exercise.

    I doubt it. Corporate management doesn’t really care how uncomfortable this makes the front line workers. Plus they have backed themselves into such a corner that there really isn’t a way to eject undesirables without causing a scandal.

    Maybe it is different in other parts of the country, but where I live, it appears Starbucks gets more business through the drive up window than people sitting in the store drinking coffee. This article would claims that is the case nationwide. Having 70% of sales come through the window is consistent with what I have heard about other fast food places. If they have stores where undesirables cause problems or pose a safety risk, they will change the location to a drive thru only location and close the seating area. The small amount of lost sales will be insignificant compared to dealing with these other problems.

    http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/as-starbucks-embraces-the-drive-thru-a-few-speed-traps-ahead

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    There are 5 Starbucks within a 5-mile radius of my place. The most profitable is the one with the drive through. A new strip mall is being built a couple miles up Route 1 from a current location, and they're moving the Starbucks to the new place for a drive-up window.

    Drive ups are problematic in some places. My SWPLville town bans chains and drive ups.
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  42. Pericles says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    This reasoning seems familiar somehow.

    If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win.

    Too bad we never will.

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  43. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    Was that really the tweet that did it? Roseanne was prolific on Twitter today, retweeting something about Tommy Robinson, taking shots at Chelsea Clinton and George Soros…

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    Still wrong. Congressman, not Senator. This genius fell for a Nigerian "black money" fraud scam, took $10 million from friends to cover his losses and then claimed that the anti-malarial drugs he took when visiting Africa caused him to do so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_money_scam
    , @Anon
    It was George Soros who paid for the wedding. The hundred million they stole from Haitian hurricane relief wasn’t enough
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  44. From today’s Starbucks main page:

    We are closing early as our teams reconnect with our mission and each other.

    Word is everyone received a leftover Confetti Hearts Cake Pop suppository.

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    It's management's way of putting the necessary hepatitis vaccination in a Trojan Horse packaging that will be appealing to staff if they're going to have to be cleaning up the biohazards left behind by the vagrants and junkies they're now supposed to be welcoming.
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    Meanwhile, Randa Jarrar still has her job.

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  46. Lot says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    Roseanne was the highest rated scripted show on American television:

    “Either way, Roseanne is the highest-rated and most-watched series of the broadcast season, eclipsing NBC’s This Is Us and CBS’ Big Bang Theory — which had been in a heated battle for top status.”

    Not only that, it disproportionately attracted younger viewers, pushing it ahead as more valuable than NBC’s “the Voice” which had higher ratings overall.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-roseanne-finale-dips-but-dominates-abc-1114311

    I thought it was great TV.

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    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don't think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn't seem to be coming through for her.
    , @Anon 2
    Who needs television when we have the Internet, video games, and BOOKS?
    Television has become so anti-white (esp. anti-white male) that (with minor
    exceptions like the news) I stopped watching years ago. Hence I couldn't care
    less if Roseanne or any other show get cancelled.
    , @NOTA
    If Rosanne is a highly profitable show, why doesn't someone else (say, Fox) pick it up?
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  47. JohnnyD says:

    They got on their knees and begged the gay-trans-Jewish-feminist-black-Muslim immigrant for forgiveness. And the gay-trans-Jewish-feminist-black Muslim immigrant complained about tired they were, and how whitey still had a lot of work to do.

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  48. Lot says:
    @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!

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    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!
     
    Straw man.

    I'd say the same thing about a comedian who makes jokes about Jews being big-nosed, bloodsucking usurists.

    C'mon. Seriously? Calling a black person an ape. Was that even supposed to be a joke?
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  49. Whiskey says: • Website

    Megaphone. Hollywood has not cared about money in decades. No one owns anything and a hit or flop execs and producers and agents get paid the same… lots.

    No one is hungry and virtue signal all the way.

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    Megaphone. Hollywood has not cared about money in decades. No one owns anything and a hit or flop execs and producers and agents get paid the same… lots.
     
    Essentially correct. They care about money but they care a whole lot more about power. The money is only valuable to them because it can be translated into power.

    They will cheerfully sacrifice millions for the opportunity of exercising their power, and demonstrating their ability and their willingness to wield that power.
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  50. @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    I see this but we don’t live in a society that prizes intellect or good taste – quite the opposite.

    When decorum and good taste is prized and bad taste decried by all, we can get upset about Roseanne’s tweet.

    Additionally, it’s in the very nature of comedy that comedians are going to go over the edge of good taste from time to time in an attempt to be funny or satirize. The fact of the matter is that Jarrett bears a more than passing resemblance to the character Zira. I think this is what Roseanne was thinking while tweeting.

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  51. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting. If it soothes your delicate psyche, remember that we’re in the realm of pure hypothetical; no leftist show is ever getting canceled over a tweet (unless it offends fellow leftists).

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    @28 snorlax: "But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting."

    I'm not registered so I cannot "agree," so hereby signal my approval +1,000,000.
    , @Twinkie

    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them.
     
    I agree. But it's hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr's tweet.

    The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting.
     
    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?

    If it soothes your delicate psyche
     
    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years. During those years I came up with all kinds of very devilish ways to put a hurt on our enemies overseas.

    It's very easy taking delight in battle and in putting a beating on one's enemies. Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser's kid doesn't come back to murder your kids later) - that's very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.
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  52. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I couldn't tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.

    I couldn’t tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.

    I know, and you were making so much f**king noise, I was having trouble hitting a vein. Have some manners!

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    Masturbation...it's not just something you do at home anymore!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6417811/southwest-airlines-passenger-sex-act-flight/
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  53. @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    It was stupid and in poor taste.

    Tasteful is smooth and smooth is full taste menthol refreshment.

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  54. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lot
    Roseanne was the highest rated scripted show on American television:

    "Either way, Roseanne is the highest-rated and most-watched series of the broadcast season, eclipsing NBC's This Is Us and CBS' Big Bang Theory — which had been in a heated battle for top status."

    Not only that, it disproportionately attracted younger viewers, pushing it ahead as more valuable than NBC's "the Voice" which had higher ratings overall.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-roseanne-finale-dips-but-dominates-abc-1114311

    I thought it was great TV.

    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don’t think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn’t seem to be coming through for her.

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    I was thinking that but doubt much of the cast follows her. Think it’s a wrap, we’ll see.
    , @Anon
    TCM doesn’t have ads. But there’s a little talk before the movie. The speakers always bring up McCarthy and the black list and the Hayes code which imposed decency for a few decades.

    We live in a cultural Marxist anti White liberal dictatorship. Whites are the kulaks destined for extermination
    , @Lot
    So much for gay power in Hollywood too. Roseanne version 1 had TV's first gay kiss (Sandra Bernhard on Roseanne) and first non-fey/non-tragic gay character, Martin Mull's Leon. (He was a little campy, but closer to Mr. Mooney than Paul Lynde).

    The reboot gives her a grandson who likes to wear dresses and makeup.

    But no good work toward tolerance can ever outweigh the crime of making a joke at intersectionally un-privileged Valerie Jarret's expense!

    The right never cared much about Roseanne's non-conforming views on gay rights. But the modern left forgives no thought crime, bad-thinking whites must be purged.
    , @Anon
    A shanda fur die goyim
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  55. CCZ says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Throughout my life, I have always based my political ideas and actions on firm and hopefully consistent morals (“moral legitimacy”), but, very sadly, my experiences during the past 10-15 years and frequent encounters with racial grifting, anti-white, uber race conscious, people of color and (self-loathing) white guilt, social justice liberals has taught me that, behind the thin veneer of their supposed moral legitimacy, they believe and have made the conflict “all just about who wields power.”

    That may be no excuse for bad behavior from “us,” but the structural and cultural conflicts are indeed “all just about who wields power.”

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  56. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Fuck it all, I want to win.

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    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I don't need Marcus Aurelius. I won't get Marcus Aurelius. I need a strongman who despises my enemies.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    I'm not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don't know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that's part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be "guilt by association" outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn't distance themselves from Roseanne's tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

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  57. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Tommy Robinson
    It has come out that the judge who sentenced Tommy Robinson to thirteen months for criminal journalism was actually a witness to the arrest and was therefore not legally allowed to pass sentence.
    This is plenty of grounds for Robinson to appeal.
    There was a tremendous popular response to the arrest over the weekend, with several former police officers denouncing it, and ideological crossover for free speech.

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  58. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Because we live here.

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  59. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    I wonder if Sailer has any thoughts on that Solo movie tanking. A Forbes writer tried blaming the presence of too many white males in the movie, never mind the success of movies like The Avengers and Deadpool. Previously, Sailer wondered how bad the SJW takeover of Hollywood would get. Seems to be getting pretty bad as these people have doubled down on an extremely unlikely explanation; GLAAD is also demanding that 1/2 of Marvel’s movies have LGBT-QWERTY representation by 2024 (goodbye India and China audiences). The obvious explanation is that audiences were turned off by 1. the writer claiming Lando was “pansexual” (goodbye family audience) and 2. the narrative failure of The Last Jedi.

    As one comic book reviewer on YouTube is fond of saying, “we live in a post profit industry.” In other words, profit matters less to these people than being on the right side of history.

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  60. Ed says:
    @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    It was a nasty tweet worthy of sanction but cancelling the show a few hours later is rash. It’s crazy and short sighted, not something you expect leaders to do. They shouldn’t react to Twitter outrage immediately.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America. Fox and Breitbart are already pushing back on her firing. Good chance Trump chimes in support.

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    Agreed. Plus there's a big difference between firing her and cancelling a show, thus putting hundreds of people out of work. (Though perhaps in this case the two were inseparable.)
    , @bomag
    I suppose they could restart the show in a couple weeks.

    Attention spans are pretty short these days; the complainers will be off mega-phoning someone else.
    , @dfordoom

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America.
     
    I don't think you understand what is happening. They don't care. They have won the culture war. Now they're just making sure that all those ordinary folks in Middle America understand that they lost the culture war and that they understand the consequences. It's about demonstrating to those people that no opposition will be tolerated. You do what you're told, or else.

    It's about humiliating the losers of the culture war so they will never dare to even contemplate offering any resistance in future.

    From the point of view of the cultural left it's no longer a war. They've now moved on to the stage of organising the triumphal parade in which their enemies are led through the streets in chains.
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  61. Ed says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don't think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn't seem to be coming through for her.

    I was thinking that but doubt much of the cast follows her. Think it’s a wrap, we’ll see.

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    It's not like Michael Fishman and 90% of the cast have any other work waiting for them. Gilbert has had some talk shows and B movie parts but her tweets didn't say she wanted to quit and her latest seemed to imply she was unhappy with the cancellation. Goodman doesn't strike me as a SJW.

    The usual rule is a first season pays crap but if it is a hit you get a nice raise. All of them are taking big hits not working next year on the biggest sitcom on TV
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  62. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    “Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn’t seem to be coming through for her.”

    If anything, it’s worse for her as they view her as a traitor. Same with Cosby having his get out of jail free card revoked once he went off the approved narrative.

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  63. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I had to sit thru that crap, I think we all have. But I had a decent salary, job security and it was worth sitting thru the crap.

    But for minimum wage, especially part time minimum wage? Work is bad by itself but to be bullied and harangued by some liberal POS for minimum wage?
    No wonder so many people go on welfare.

    One thing homeless bring is bedbugs fleas and lice. The Santa Mongca public library is a homeless center and is infested with fleas.

    The big downtown train station in Los Angeles had to fumigate everything and reupholster all the chairs. There is now a policy you have to have a ticket to be there.
    The operations center was infested with bedbugs because bugs like the warmth of the computers, printers light fixtures etc. employees brought bedbugs home.

    It’s hard on those restaurant retail customer jobs. The help is supposed to placate and be nice to the customers but at the same time make the customers observe the rules.

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  64. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember that time ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel compared the President of the United States to an orangutan?

    “Jimmy Kimmel Compares Trump to an Orangutan for Brushing Dandruff off Macron’s Shoulder (Video)

    https://www.thewrap.com/jimmy-kimmel-compares-trump-orangutan-brushing-dandruff-off-macrons-shoulder-video/

    Is there a reason why this guy can’t be fired, too?

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  65. Tank says:

    Remarkably stupid tweet. Accomplished nothing, prolly cost her $100M.

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  66. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Chelsea’s father in law served 5 years in federal prison for numerous financial crimes.

    Probably too much cocaine or liquor when she wrote the tweets.

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  67. OT, but re Steve’s observations about the poor showing of the Indian subcontinent in sports

    a) men’s field hockey – India or Pakistan or both were Olympic medallists in every games from 1928 to 1976 i.e. in the days when Western teams were amateurs i.e. weren’t effectively state funded as the UK team has been for decades.

    b) squash – (US version is racketball) not yet an Olympic sport but a ridiculously intense and athletic game – I used to walk off sub-zero courts in winter dripping with sweat. A Pakistani guy called Khan won 14 out of 16 world titles between 1981 and 1996 (Egyptians currently dominate the world championships).

    c) cricket – India and Pakistan have some of the best players in the world, and the days of players being talented but unfit or overweight are long gone.

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    "c) cricket – India and Pakistan have some of the best players in the world, and the days of players being talented but unfit or overweight are long gone"

    What is the combined population of the West Indies, England, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? Maybe about 100 million, and cricket is a minority sport in some of those countries.

    The combined population of India and Pakistan is well over a billion, and they are mad about cricket.

    They really should have ALL the best players.
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  68. @Ed
    It was a nasty tweet worthy of sanction but cancelling the show a few hours later is rash. It’s crazy and short sighted, not something you expect leaders to do. They shouldn’t react to Twitter outrage immediately.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America. Fox and Breitbart are already pushing back on her firing. Good chance Trump chimes in support.

    Agreed. Plus there’s a big difference between firing her and cancelling a show, thus putting hundreds of people out of work. (Though perhaps in this case the two were inseparable.)

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  69. Arclight says:

    Based on my personal experience with corporate mandatory training (fortunately not race related) most people will suffer through it, make jokes about it with coworkers they are friendly with, and knowing Starbucks some scold will overhear this and report them to management…starting the whole cycle of flagellation over again.

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    I particularly like how this will soon encourage coworkers to report on each other for thoughtcrime.

    What a great place to work in!
    , @a boy and his dog
    You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit.
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  70. @Arclight
    Based on my personal experience with corporate mandatory training (fortunately not race related) most people will suffer through it, make jokes about it with coworkers they are friendly with, and knowing Starbucks some scold will overhear this and report them to management...starting the whole cycle of flagellation over again.

    I particularly like how this will soon encourage coworkers to report on each other for thoughtcrime.

    What a great place to work in!

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    "Red Starbucks"
    , @Arclight
    No kidding - and they want to export this behavior to the culture at large. Yet another example of progressive ideology destroying the trust necessary for a well-functioning society.
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  71. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don't think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn't seem to be coming through for her.

    TCM doesn’t have ads. But there’s a little talk before the movie. The speakers always bring up McCarthy and the black list and the Hayes code which imposed decency for a few decades.

    We live in a cultural Marxist anti White liberal dictatorship. Whites are the kulaks destined for extermination

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  72. 3g4me says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    @23 Twinkie: “Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.”

    This, after I wrote I disagreed with you but respected your views? Why’d ya have ta go all ‘TruCon’ virtue signalling, Twinkie? Morality may represent the ultimate “win” (i.e. we Christians know Jesus triumphs in end times), but its record here among fatally-flawed humans ain’t so hot. Those who prattle about morality in politics have, most recently, fielded Egg McMuffin for president (where morality = neocon zionism) and racially diversifying Whites out of existence (David French and fellow churchians parading around their very own Negro adoptees).

    Commie or not, Mao was not wrong when he said political power comes from a gun barrel. Ethno-nationalist Whites are jailed in the UK and the US (see: Charlottesville) and Whites who dare to utter angry words to numinous Negroes/mellifluous mulattoes/omniscient orientals/salubrious subcontinentals) are jailed for the crime of hurting feelings. Of course it’s about “who wields power.” It’s always been a question of who/whom. I’d prefer White Europeans be the ‘who,’ at very least in their historic native lands. Morality doesn’t particularly enter into racial reality and real-world tribalism (which all varieties of Asians/Orientals possess in spades, as well, if you’re being honest here).

    “We deserve to win” depends heavily on how one defines “we” and whether or not one equates “deserves” with some esoteric notion of morality or with what best conforms to realism. In regard to politics, I much prefer the latter. That’s what TruCons used to claim they represented. Now, they’ve switched to backing ‘morality’ as personified by color-blind equalitarianism, and the Hard Right supports reality. I know which side I’m on, and which has better odds in a fallen world of very broken people – which cannot and WILL not be ‘fixed’ by political morality or any other human endeavour.

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    Commie or not, Mao was not wrong when he said political power comes from a gun barrel.
     
    It's clear you actually haven't read Mao. Read my extended commentary on superior morality here: http://www.unz.com/isteve/starbucks-struggle-session/#comment-2353854

    I genuinely hope you read that, because I'd appreciate your feedback.

    tribalism... all varieties of Asians/Orientals possess in spades, as well, if you’re being honest here
     
    Well, if we're being honest and accurate here, race is not a tribe. It's much too expansive for that. Asian's don't have "pan-Asianism" or pan-Orientalism... any more than pan-white-ism is realistic. What tribalism you describe among Asians, e.g. "I am Japanese-American - yay, Japanese culture!" is similar to German-Americans or Irish-American touting their micro-ethnic cultural heritage and "uniqueness."

    I don't want to go on and on and lecture you, because you have been very cordial, which I appreciate greatly (in great contrast to the "Hey wang lung" crowd here). I'll just leave this for your consideration: tribalism is originally and in its core, based on shared descent, NOT genetic similarity. What do I mean by this? Isn't genetic similarity based on common descent?

    I'll give you a quick example. My children are, obviously, my white father-in-law's grandchildren. He and they share common descent. They belong to his tribe. But genetically my father-in-law is probably closer to his white neighbors than he is to his grandchildren who are my children. Human nature dictates that forced into the choice between his white neighbors and his half-white grandkids, he will support the latter... because common descent is more primeval and concrete than an abstract sense of genetic similarity.

    And of course, the trappings of a tribe, once established, go beyond common descent into shared experiences (hardship, victory, etc.) and purpose (e.g. being allies against a common foe). It's for the same reason that if a would-be-pan-white-ist were to tell my (mostly white) friends and kin by marriage that they can have a real dandy life if they would please just handover this quarrelsome Oriental, he is likely going to meet a hail of bullets.

    There are - in this country - a lot of whites with relatives and friends who are non- or only part-white. Likely more than real deal "white nationalists." It's going to be a tough sell to the former that they should forsake their tribe in the name of some grand -ism. In other words, the war for a white ethno-state is going to be a white people civil war and is going to result in A LOT of white deaths, not exactly something for which white advocates should be pining. And that's just ONE of the many reasons why white nationalism is a loser.
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  73. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    My guess is that some Jews and some blacks told a lot of white people to stop being so damn racist.

    Not exactly. The Whites were told they are inherently evil, destined to disappear because of non White immigration and a curse on mankind.

    I wonder if the diversity trainers are still telling White women are racist and subject to firing if they reject sex harassenrbt by Black & Hispanic men?

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  74. 3g4me says:
    @snorlax
    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left's rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I'd prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we're at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we're getting. If it soothes your delicate psyche, remember that we're in the realm of pure hypothetical; no leftist show is ever getting canceled over a tweet (unless it offends fellow leftists).

    @28 snorlax: “But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting.”

    I’m not registered so I cannot “agree,” so hereby signal my approval +1,000,000.

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  75. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    From the NYT:

    The North’s Jim Crow
    By Andrew W. Kahrl

    Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink. …

    “Quality of life” laws serve as a potent instrument of racial segregation. They provide commercial establishments, law enforcement officers and everyday citizens with tools enabling them to police racial boundaries while at the same time claiming to simply be upholding the law. …

    …As white segregationists in the South were placing “whites only” signs in the windows of restaurants, in the North, more enlightened (or, rather, more savvy) white proprietors and public officials realized that rules restricting public spaces to local residents and the strict but selective enforcement of laws against things like disorderly conduct and loitering could be used to impose racial segregation. …

    …In the 1930s, Long Branch, N.J., passed an ordinance requiring all residents to apply for a pass that would allow access to only one of the town’s four public beaches. Town officials claimed the rule was meant to prevent overcrowding. Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others.

    NYT: All the news from the 1930s that’s fit to print!

    He continues:

    It will take more than sensitivity-training sessions and the public shaming of racist, hypervigilant white women to dismantle today’s system of segregation. Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

    Andrew W. Kahrl, an associate professor of history and African-American studies at the University of Virginia, is the author of “Free the Beaches: The Story of Ned Coll and the Battle for America’s Most Exclusive Shoreline.”

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    Thanks, I'll post.
    , @bomag

    NYT: All the news from the 1930s that’s fit to print!
     
    LOL

    Notice here the "criticism creep": the usual SJW smearing of the South on race relations will now be applied to the rest of the country. Get ready to have ALL the "wrong" statues removed while re-education is ramped up. The boot is on its way.
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  76. @Arclight
    Based on my personal experience with corporate mandatory training (fortunately not race related) most people will suffer through it, make jokes about it with coworkers they are friendly with, and knowing Starbucks some scold will overhear this and report them to management...starting the whole cycle of flagellation over again.

    You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit.

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    "You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit."

    Wither this obsession with medical care insurance? Most Starbucks employees are young and healthy, so how much of this sacred benefit do they really use?

    I can't even summon a mental image of a Boomer slinging frapachinos behind a Starbucks counter, though I'm sure they're out there somewhere.
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  77. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    You should lead the alt-right.

    You should lead the alt-right.

    Maybe Thor will let me serve as VP.

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  78. roo_ster says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    They made the rules. I sure as hell want them applied to the fullest against them.

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  79. iffen says:
    @fitzGetty
    ... girl on girl spite knows no boundary ...

    … girl on girl spite knows no boundary …

    Female/male difference.

    Females will hug it out and make up only to bring everything back up, verbatim, in a month or two, hug it out, ad infinitum.

    Males will fight it out and become bonded best friends and never mention it again, or will remain permanent enemies and stay out of each other’s way.

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    Good observation, iffen, which warrants further development.
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  80. @Daniel Chieh
    I particularly like how this will soon encourage coworkers to report on each other for thoughtcrime.

    What a great place to work in!

    “Red Starbucks”

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    Also known as The Chestnut Tree Cafe.
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  81. TheBoom says:

    Will there be sessions for upper management teaching them they need to lead by example in not being racist by moving into black and Hispanic neighborhoods and sending their children to public schools in those neighborhoods?

    In the Chinese Cultural Revolution, students supposedly were encouraged to eat their teachers.Will that be the fate of racist employees or will they merely need to parade through the streets will a sign proclaiming that they are counter revolutionaries?

    I used to associate Starbucks with bad coffee. Now I am beginning to associate it with community theater.

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  82. @Oswald Spengler
    "Red Starbucks"

    Also known as The Chestnut Tree Cafe.

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  83. @Dutch Boy
    No prob - Mozart and Vivaldi will keep out the scum.

    Dutch, Add in Pachelbel’s Canon in D for the single black mom’s, Nessun dorma for all the slugs sleeping at the tables and Panis Angelicus for those who want a bagel with their latte and SB become a musical destination.

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  84. TheBoom says:
    @snorlax
    I'll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.

    My guess it’s that they were looking for an excuse to cancel it to virtue signal to their peers, as SJW love to do, that they put being woke over making money and speaking to their audience. I imagine that Roseanne’s ratings didn’t go over well at cocktail parties.

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    Liberals don’t have parties any more. That’s because they are all working 90 hours a week at their oh so important jobs and environmental animal rights anti racism busybody volunteer activities they don’t have time to entertain.
    , @ChrisZ
    That sounds about right, Boom. That’s why the cancellation happened so fast: the network’s “finger” was already on the trigger, waiting for the opportunity—which was, sadly, inevitable.
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  85. PapayaSF says:
    @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    That’s a good idea for local, competing coffee shops.

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    Starbucks is unique as a mega corp in that it created new opportunities for higher-priced competitors. In Manhattan, for example, Starbucks was already the sketchy option compared to the indie places.
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  86. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT BURN IT ALL DOWN
    The Justice Department has approved Bayer’s purchase of Monsanto.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/bayer-monsanto-merger-has-farmers-worried-2018-4

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  87. Berty says:

    At the risk of putting on my tinfoil hat, I’m willing to bet that ABC canned Roseanne because of the Soros stuff and the Jarrett thing just gave them a convenient out.

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  88. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:

    The ABC vs. Roseanne incident is effectively indistinguishable from a kayfabe/”worked shoot” PR gimmick. I’m sure someone already prophesied that exact sequence of demise earlier this year, maybe the eponymous figure in the show herself. I realize the ratings were (relatively) strong but don’t necessarily believe that it was an automatic renewal. And by slamming the door this way, albeit short of the full Howard Beale treatment, the internal hot-potato politics at the network are tied up with a bow. I can’t believe I’m thinking in this kind of false-flag moonbat vein, it might be the strained quality of the offending tweet. You can say plenty about Valerie Jarrett but “Islamic fundie hillbilly” is just a stretch. It doesn’t parse comedically.

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  89. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Starbucks, like other major companies based in Seattle, opposes the proposed employee-hours tax. John Kelly, the company’s top executive for public affairs and social impact, says the city should reform its homelessness programs and show results before it seeks more money — a message the company has sent before.

    Kelly said the tax itself and what it would cost the company are beside the point. He claimed Wednesday not to know how much the coffee giant would pay under the proposal to raise $75 million a year housing and homelessness services.

    Starbucks is aware of the homeless issue and doesn’t feel like it has solve it by themselves. Starbucks customers like to think of themselves as progressive, but are notoriously NIMBY. Of course, there is the third rail of black homeless. Starbucks is very SWPL, and won’t appeal to people of color. Overall, they had to do something and this wasn’t the worst. If it redpills some baristas, all the better.

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  90. e says:
    @snorlax
    I'll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.

    HA. Someone should string together a few George Lopez gigs. ABC employed him for years, had his own series. ABC wasn’t bothered by his outright hate. With Lopez, it’s real, not joking.

    Then, there’s “Blackish,” which takes shots at Trump voters, conservatives, whites all the time.

    Wanda Sykes, black comic, said she’d never appear on Roseanne again (this before ABC cancelled it. Sykes? Her standup is full of whitey put downs, although admittedly she doesn’t spew the vitriol of Lopez.

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  91. @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    Surprised at how latte Jarrett is. I remembered her as darker. Maybe that was someone else.

    Also surprised that 18 million viewers (out of 300 million population) constitutes one of the top rated shows. Just demonstrates how fragmented America’s media landscape is.

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  92. e says:
    @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e…

    Sorry, I can’t copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites “crackers.” No one’s been fired for it.

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    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e…

    Sorry, I can’t copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites “crackers.” No one’s been fired for it.
     
    I was NOT suggesting that Roseanne Barr should be fired or that the show should be canceled. That's also stupid.

    My points were two fold. First, what she tweeted was in very poor taste. Second, defending this particular action on her part, because she is "with us," is also not very bright - because then you own the slur.

    The correct response in my view is to say simply, "What she said was in very poor taste. She should apologize to Ms. Jarrett and she apparently did. Perhaps this episode taught Ms. Barr a good lesson in civility and hopefully she will be more considerate in the future." And upon hearing the news of the cancellation of the show, one could say, "That's unfortunate. While what she said was crude and in poor taste, she acknowledged her mistake and publicly apologized for it. To take her livelihood away and deprive millions of Americans who identify with the blue collar characters of the TV show at this point appear excessive and vindictively punitive." Followed by, "I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior."
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  93. @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    Aren’t hipsters, SJWs, and baristas (in debt for $100,000+ in college loans for undergrad degrees in STD Acquisition, Hangover Installation Tech 101, and Medieval Moldovan Architecture Gender Oppression Studies) already sensitive enough? They’ve had enough useless training already.

    Charbuck$ soon will be hiring Latinos to do the jobs Barista-Americans will presently refuse to do any longer: picking up Hep-C/AIDS syringes and Hep-A poop and blood splatter of non-paying “customers” (a truly Orwellian concept). Oh, the humanity!

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  94. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Was that really the tweet that did it? Roseanne was prolific on Twitter today, retweeting something about Tommy Robinson, taking shots at Chelsea Clinton and George Soros...

    https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001457150344945664

    Still wrong. Congressman, not Senator. This genius fell for a Nigerian “black money” fraud scam, took $10 million from friends to cover his losses and then claimed that the anti-malarial drugs he took when visiting Africa caused him to do so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_money_scam

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  95. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I couldn't tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.

    For three hours?

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    It's called edging.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://youtu.be/nSH67svEYT8
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  96. Lot says:
    @International Jew
    For three hours?

    It’s called edging.

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    Tantric wanker??
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  97. @Hugh
    The struggle session will make it easier to recruit baristas to the alt right.

    We’ll be unbeatable then!

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  98. OT: The Zman’s blog has been shut down with “Account suspended.”

    http://thezman.com/

    I know the Zman posts her sometimes. What’s up?

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    I'm able to access Zman's blog no problem.
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  99. Lot says:
    @Ed
    I was thinking that but doubt much of the cast follows her. Think it’s a wrap, we’ll see.

    It’s not like Michael Fishman and 90% of the cast have any other work waiting for them. Gilbert has had some talk shows and B movie parts but her tweets didn’t say she wanted to quit and her latest seemed to imply she was unhappy with the cancellation. Goodman doesn’t strike me as a SJW.

    The usual rule is a first season pays crap but if it is a hit you get a nice raise. All of them are taking big hits not working next year on the biggest sitcom on TV

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    Well, if dem Jews didn't control the TV biz, we could say whatever we wanted to about the knee-grows and not lose our job.
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  100. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    From today’s Starbucks main page:

    We are closing early as our teams reconnect with our mission and each other.
     
    Word is everyone received a leftover Confetti Hearts Cake Pop suppository.

    https://globalassets.starbucks.com/assets/c6c13db9e7b24f279b0a0a8b217e751e.jpg

    It’s management’s way of putting the necessary hepatitis vaccination in a Trojan Horse packaging that will be appealing to staff if they’re going to have to be cleaning up the biohazards left behind by the vagrants and junkies they’re now supposed to be welcoming.

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  101. iffen says:
    @Lot
    It's not like Michael Fishman and 90% of the cast have any other work waiting for them. Gilbert has had some talk shows and B movie parts but her tweets didn't say she wanted to quit and her latest seemed to imply she was unhappy with the cancellation. Goodman doesn't strike me as a SJW.

    The usual rule is a first season pays crap but if it is a hit you get a nice raise. All of them are taking big hits not working next year on the biggest sitcom on TV

    Well, if dem Jews didn’t control the TV biz, we could say whatever we wanted to about the knee-grows and not lose our job.

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    Just apply the same standard to the hate whitey crap coming from the left.

    No more freedom to say bad things about whitey and get away with it.

    If you want to shut down hateful and vulgar speech, do it across the board!!
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  102. Off topic, but does anyone know what happened to The Z Man Blog? I get a message that says “this account has been suspended.”

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    No trouble evident at http://thezman.com/wordpress/
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  103. OFF TOPIC

    Glenn Snoddy, the guitar fuzz tone creator through accidental serendipity, has died at age 96.

    Snoddy, from Shelbyville,Tennessee, learned electronics and radio technology while in the Army during World War II.

    Snoddy is a surname from the English/Scottish borderlands. Lots of those kinds of people in Tennessee. Jim Morrison’s father’s ears are almost as low on his head as Snoddy’s were. In the English/Scottish borderlands, lowest ears wins every time.

    Fuzz tones from the admiral’s son’s band, The Doors:

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  104. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don't think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn't seem to be coming through for her.

    So much for gay power in Hollywood too. Roseanne version 1 had TV’s first gay kiss (Sandra Bernhard on Roseanne) and first non-fey/non-tragic gay character, Martin Mull’s Leon. (He was a little campy, but closer to Mr. Mooney than Paul Lynde).

    The reboot gives her a grandson who likes to wear dresses and makeup.

    But no good work toward tolerance can ever outweigh the crime of making a joke at intersectionally un-privileged Valerie Jarret’s expense!

    The right never cared much about Roseanne’s non-conforming views on gay rights. But the modern left forgives no thought crime, bad-thinking whites must be purged.

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    It was informative if not enjoyable to mainline Cathedral opinion tonight, a half-hour of NBC News followed by 30 minutes of CBS News. Both shows led with, of course, the astonishing, newsworthy, topical, earth-shattering, breaking news of the racistly racist tweet by deplorably racist Trump supporter Roseanne Barr.

    The interesting part was that little time was devoted to the actual Twitter thoughtcrime, with both segments instead focused on the thundering, stampeding tsunami of outrage, anger, and fury on social media. Fortunately, both NBC and CBS reported, Barr's co-stars were already practicing sauve qui peut, adding their denunciations of doubleplusungoodthink to the crescendoing chorus. On social media, of course.

    I regret missing All Things Considered, which doubtless used moderate, intellectual tones of voice to urge the defenestration of the criminal of the century.
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  105. @Daniel Chieh
    Fuck it all, I want to win.

    I don’t need Marcus Aurelius. I won’t get Marcus Aurelius. I need a strongman who despises my enemies.

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    We certainly don't deserve Marcus Aurelius.
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  106. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Morals so pure they cannot even be wielded in defense of our interests.

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  107. dr kill says:
    @iffen
    It probably wouldn't cost a lot of money to hire a van and driver to collect and pay street people $5 each to take a ride to the local Starbucks to wash up in the restroom.

    Hahaha, likely the town fathers would spring for the van and have a city employee drive.

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  108. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    OT: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Hilarious attempted “deportation” story. The best part is when the seemingly Chinese-American female said this:

    “If you cannot speak English, you are not going to be able to stay here,” added a woman whose voice alternated between English and Mandarin.
     

    OT: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Hilarious attempted “deportation” story. The best part is when the seemingly Chinese-American female said this:

    “If you cannot speak English, you are not going to be able to stay here,” added a woman whose voice alternated between English and Mandarin.

    That’s a very bizarre story. My guess is there was a financial incentive involved. Some clause in the agreement with the Chinese company sponsoring these Chinese trainees that says they forfeit the $90k if the student fails out and this flight school then had a scheme to start failing students because of language skills. They expected these Chinese to be compliant.

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  109. dr kill says:
    @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    I know, right? Roseanne should be on the short list to host the White House Correspondents Dinner next year. At least she’s amusing.

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  110. Tony says:
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    Wouldn't this make AFFH a crime against humanity (and happiness) to displace the poor blacks from their 'hoods to force them to go to live among whites?
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  111. @Lot
    It's called edging.

    Tantric wanker??

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    No, it takes two to tantric.
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  112. bomag says:
    @Ed
    It was a nasty tweet worthy of sanction but cancelling the show a few hours later is rash. It’s crazy and short sighted, not something you expect leaders to do. They shouldn’t react to Twitter outrage immediately.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America. Fox and Breitbart are already pushing back on her firing. Good chance Trump chimes in support.

    I suppose they could restart the show in a couple weeks.

    Attention spans are pretty short these days; the complainers will be off mega-phoning someone else.

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  113. What happened?

    I go to one Starbucks once in a while to meet friends. They have an outside area, so if I catch one of the guys out there where he can talk, I’ll ask him what actually happened and what he thinks about it, and report back. It may be a few weeks. I don’t need coffee – if I took drugs, I’d try something more fun.

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  114. Dr. Doom says:

    After meeting the demands of non-paying squatters, the Innsmouth Cafe received a further list of demands. The Head Office recommends appeasement.

    Did you know cops LOVE donuts? A coffee shop with donuts may not have this problem.

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  115. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    More progresso, with a double shot of abjectness:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1001341049963364352

    Didn’t Oprah try the same thing in Switzerland? The closed sign was already turned and as the clerk was locking the door. Oprah just shoved the clerk out if the way and bulled her way in.

    They refused to serve her and she screamed racism. Gucci stood by its employees.

    I looked at some royal wedding videos about the guests and their clothes. Oprah was quite a sight. She looks about 5’7 350 massive bone structure. She has that feet & legs wide apart ponderous obesity plus lumbering stance and walk.

    Her dress was pale pink with a a skirt in 3 layers trimmed with ruffles, like something for a 6 year old. And not realizing she was on camera she had the typical testosterone overload bullying black woman scowl.

    Never watched her show as I can’t stand talk shows and big fat ugly black women.
    I’ve seen many pictures of her, including pictures when she was in her 20s. She has had a lot of plastic surgery.
    In her 20s she had a short wide bulldog face with a wide square jaw. The surgeons have lengthened her face and tapered her jaw to give her a chin

    Yet she made billions just being herself, a loudmouth arrogant obese black woman.

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  116. ic1000 says:
    @Lot
    So much for gay power in Hollywood too. Roseanne version 1 had TV's first gay kiss (Sandra Bernhard on Roseanne) and first non-fey/non-tragic gay character, Martin Mull's Leon. (He was a little campy, but closer to Mr. Mooney than Paul Lynde).

    The reboot gives her a grandson who likes to wear dresses and makeup.

    But no good work toward tolerance can ever outweigh the crime of making a joke at intersectionally un-privileged Valerie Jarret's expense!

    The right never cared much about Roseanne's non-conforming views on gay rights. But the modern left forgives no thought crime, bad-thinking whites must be purged.

    It was informative if not enjoyable to mainline Cathedral opinion tonight, a half-hour of NBC News followed by 30 minutes of CBS News. Both shows led with, of course, the astonishing, newsworthy, topical, earth-shattering, breaking news of the racistly racist tweet by deplorably racist Trump supporter Roseanne Barr.

    The interesting part was that little time was devoted to the actual Twitter thoughtcrime, with both segments instead focused on the thundering, stampeding tsunami of outrage, anger, and fury on social media. Fortunately, both NBC and CBS reported, Barr’s co-stars were already practicing sauve qui peut, adding their denunciations of doubleplusungoodthink to the crescendoing chorus. On social media, of course.

    I regret missing All Things Considered, which doubtless used moderate, intellectual tones of voice to urge the defenestration of the criminal of the century.

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  117. Lot says:

    The lead Breitbart article on Roseanne has 50,000 comments, and there are 100,000+ over all the multiple articles.

    This isn’t going to turn out well for the left.

    For yet another example of an anti-white Twitter mob:

    https://www.boredpanda.com/white-woman-called-cops-black-people-barbecuing-memes-oakland/

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    Some soy boy named Nolte wrote an article on Cuckbart about how Roseanne deserved her firing.

    Cuckbart is the new National Review.
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  118. Goatweed says:

    Will Fox pick up the show?

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  119. Whiskey says: • Website

    Roseanne’s show was likely cancelled because of the Soris and Chelsea tweet. Soros power is well documented and Hillary has most of Hollywood in her patronage pocket.

    Hillary is the most formidable politician in decades. Just with elites not human beings :> .

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  120. Lot says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Tantric wanker??

    No, it takes two to tantric.

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  121. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @PapayaSF
    That's a good idea for local, competing coffee shops.

    Starbucks is unique as a mega corp in that it created new opportunities for higher-priced competitors. In Manhattan, for example, Starbucks was already the sketchy option compared to the indie places.

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  122. Goatweed says:

    Baristas work for tips?

    How were they compensated for lost tips?

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    In the same way lost tips are compensated for in a homeless shelter?
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  123. @Daniel Chieh
    Fuck it all, I want to win.

    I’m not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don’t know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that’s part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be “guilt by association” outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn’t distance themselves from Roseanne’s tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

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    Is Valerie Jarrett a black person? Say it ain't so.
    , @Lot
    The point isn't defending a bad joke. The point is all comedians who are actually funny will at times make bad or offensive jokes, but the left decided to kill her show, deprive a lot of people of a job, and 20 million Americans of a show they enjoyed watching. Over one retracted, deleted, and apologized-for joke.

    If any WWC people in the midwest had doubts the Democrats hate them, this very visible episode in the anti-white culture war should clear that up.
    , @snorlax
    It's true that the left scored some points (on Roseanne's own goal) here, just as Trump scored some points on MS-13.

    Did the left give in on MS-13? No, they doubled down, like always. Does Trump ever give in? (I mean rhetorically, not in terms of actions). No, never, even when he's clearly in the wrong (e.g. Trump University) he doubles down.

    Giving in is a poor tactic at the subconscious level.

    To give in is to resemble a prisoner begging for mercy. Weak. Pathetic. A king, an alpha male, a leader of men never gives in no matter what he did to deserve it. Why? Because he never has to.

    Giving in is also a poor tactic at the conscious level.

    In any controversy, people fall into two groups, the offended and the non-offended.

    Giving in maybe helps a tiny bit with the offended group (who mostly hate you anyway), but it hurts you much more with the non-offended, whose legs you just cut out from under them. "I guess it really is indefensible..."

    Doubling down won't make the offended any more so than they already are, and it will give the non-offended more confidence in their judgment you did nothing wrong.

    Since everyone lives in their own echo chambers these days, doubling down allows the non-offended echo chamber to develop more effective parries and counterattacks, which can be reused next time there's a similar controversy. Do it enough times and the boundaries of the Overton Window expand to include your once-verboten stance or statement.

    It's counterintuitive, and indeed poor strategy in our non-politics day-to-day lives for the vast bulk of us who are subjects, not kings, but in the realm of politics you should always double down and never give in.

    To the extent you're able, of course; publicly defending Roseanne could cost many of us our livelihoods, so in that case it's best just to avoid the subject and nod along with the PC line if someone else brings it up.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Look, I'll be okay with this when someday a company can choose to fire all of its gay or female employees because the management feels like it. Until then, this is all bullshit double standards. As far as the left is considered, I'm a Nazi rapist anyway because I don't worship fags, so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.
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  124. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe it will get picked up by another network. I don't think Newsmax can afford it though.

    Roseanne also got dropped by her talent agency today. Hollywood Jewish nepotism doesn't seem to be coming through for her.

    A shanda fur die goyim

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  125. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Was that really the tweet that did it? Roseanne was prolific on Twitter today, retweeting something about Tommy Robinson, taking shots at Chelsea Clinton and George Soros...

    https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001457150344945664

    It was George Soros who paid for the wedding. The hundred million they stole from Haitian hurricane relief wasn’t enough

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  126. AndrewR says:
    @Lot
    The lead Breitbart article on Roseanne has 50,000 comments, and there are 100,000+ over all the multiple articles.

    This isn't going to turn out well for the left.

    For yet another example of an anti-white Twitter mob:


    https://www.boredpanda.com/white-woman-called-cops-black-people-barbecuing-memes-oakland/

    Some soy boy named Nolte wrote an article on Cuckbart about how Roseanne deserved her firing.

    Cuckbart is the new National Review.

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    Cuckbart is the new National Review.
     
    I also read that Breitbart pulled their story on Tommy Robinson. They are not, as far as I know, under British jurisdiction, so they were under no legal compulsion to do so.

    If Breitbart is the new National Review, is The Daily Caller the new Breitbart?
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  127. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheBoom
    My guess it's that they were looking for an excuse to cancel it to virtue signal to their peers, as SJW love to do, that they put being woke over making money and speaking to their audience. I imagine that Roseanne's ratings didn't go over well at cocktail parties.

    Liberals don’t have parties any more. That’s because they are all working 90 hours a week at their oh so important jobs and environmental animal rights anti racism busybody volunteer activities they don’t have time to entertain.

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  128. @AnotherGuessModel
    I'm not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don't know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that's part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be "guilt by association" outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn't distance themselves from Roseanne's tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

    Is Valerie Jarrett a black person? Say it ain’t so.

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  129. MikeW says:

    I assume Steve is asking for someone who was at this anti-bias session to tell us all what we missed. I can’t help, I don’t work there.

    But I did check out Starbucks’ “preview” video.

    news.starbucks.com/news/starbucks-curriculum-preview-for-may-29

    It’s really cringeworthy. Come on, guys, instead of trying to use touchy-feely crap to force these unfortunate employees to “share” their feelings and experiences, just tell them, “follow these company guidelines on how to treat customers. If you don’t want to follow them, quit. Any questions on how you should handle a specific situation call this helpline. That’s all, go home.”

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    This appeared on Reddit half an hour ago. Take anonymous accounts with a grain of salt, but they will be more truthful than the news. https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n41l0/what/ Just the first paragraph:

    The fuck was that? I mean, seriously. I was actually hoping this would be an informative and interesting training, but all it was was Starbucks covering their asses by equating cringey slogans and buzzwords with an actual effort to show customers that we hear and respect them and want to do everything in our power to make them feel safe and welcome. "Color brave." I fucking can't, guys...
     
    Also this exchange https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8n3rh0/employees_of_starbucks_how_was_the_antibias/

    They told us that if we saw two customers come in at the same time one of them black and one of them white, we must serve the black person first.
    Bullshit.
    I am 100% serious. I was a bit afraid to object though (we all were). Try it yourself, you'll see that I'm not pulling your leg. I wish I were joking.
    I would of objected the shit out of it...
    I'd rather keep my job. I am not going to get involved with all these retarded social issues.
     
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  130. anon[115] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    OT: The Theranos book, John Carreyrou’s Bad Blood is a fun read:

    This happened most hilariously at Walgreens, whose own laboratory consultant, Kevin Hunter, was ignored for the dumbest possible reason:

    After they hung up, Hunter took aside Renaat Van den Hoof, who was in charge of the pilot on the Walgreens side, and told him something just wasn’t right. The red flags were piling up. First, Elizabeth had denied him access to their lab. Then she’d rejected his proposal to embed them in Palo Alto. And now she was refusing to do a simple comparison study. To top it all off, Theranos had drawn the blood of the president of Walgreens’s pharmacy business, one of the company’s most senior executives, and failed to give him a test result!

    Van den Hooff listened with a pained look on his face.

    “We can’t not pursue this,” he said. “We can’t risk a scenario where CVS has a deal with them in six months and it ends up being real.”

    Holmes’s technology was totally worthless; Walgreens had firsthand evidence of this; Theranos had the blood of one of their senior executives and refused to say anything about it; but CVS exists, and so Walgreens went on to spend $140 million with Theranos over seven years. They recouped less than $30 million of that in a lawsuit and settlement.

    … from Dennis Young’s review at https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-an-anecdote-that-perfectly-encapsulates-the-stupi-1826335015

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  131. J.Ross says: • Website

    This anon claims to be a barista who attended the mandatory training. He says they handed out ipads pre-loaded with sensitivity lectures. On the one hand that sounds expensive, brandwhorey, and needlessly complex, on the other hand, yeah, that’s probably what Howard Deutsch chose.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/173391927

    Honestly not that bad, they just gave us ipads with modules (short videos) of people saying racial bias is bad blah blah blah. It wasn’t too anti-white but it was just boring and stupid. We finished an hour early and we could have gotten out earlier if the tranny at the store didn’t waste 30 minutes of everyones time saying we should call people by genderneutral pronouns. Thankfully my manager is a bitch and cut the train off and almost made her cry. Some IE guys may leave flyers and business cards in some stores and be cheeky about it.

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  132. Forbes says:
    @candid_observer
    More progresso, with a double shot of abjectness:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1001341049963364352

    Portlandia. ‘Nuff said.

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    Recently spent a week in greater Portland. Went to a small Puerto Rican restaurant, about 10 tables. Several very prominent signs in English "restrooms are for customers only". ALSO visited a huge Mexican combo supermarket/eatery/take out place. Very clean/orderly with friendly staff. EIGHTY percent appeared to be speaking Spanish. I noticed the same type sign plus several"we reserve the right to provide service" notices.
    I don't know what Oregon State laws are or what local ordinances require, but in a state that fines a bakery out_of_business, I wonder if Hispanic enterprises get a pass.
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  133. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous
    Off-Topic:

    Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused

    https://NYTi.ms/2GXDilN

    Opioids being abused? Wanna see my shocked face…

    Oxy has been known as Hillbilly heroin for how long?

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  134. Lot says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    I'm not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don't know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that's part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be "guilt by association" outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn't distance themselves from Roseanne's tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

    The point isn’t defending a bad joke. The point is all comedians who are actually funny will at times make bad or offensive jokes, but the left decided to kill her show, deprive a lot of people of a job, and 20 million Americans of a show they enjoyed watching. Over one retracted, deleted, and apologized-for joke.

    If any WWC people in the midwest had doubts the Democrats hate them, this very visible episode in the anti-white culture war should clear that up.

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    The point isn’t defending a bad joke.
     
    It's not fair, but that's what the so-called optics are.

    Democrats have the upper hand culturally, including the censorious, punitive ones, who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast.

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  135. @MikeW
    I assume Steve is asking for someone who was at this anti-bias session to tell us all what we missed. I can't help, I don't work there.

    But I did check out Starbucks' "preview" video.

    news.starbucks.com/news/starbucks-curriculum-preview-for-may-29

    It's really cringeworthy. Come on, guys, instead of trying to use touchy-feely crap to force these unfortunate employees to "share" their feelings and experiences, just tell them, "follow these company guidelines on how to treat customers. If you don't want to follow them, quit. Any questions on how you should handle a specific situation call this helpline. That's all, go home."

    This appeared on Reddit half an hour ago. Take anonymous accounts with a grain of salt, but they will be more truthful than the news. https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n41l0/what/ Just the first paragraph:

    The fuck was that? I mean, seriously. I was actually hoping this would be an informative and interesting training, but all it was was Starbucks covering their asses by equating cringey slogans and buzzwords with an actual effort to show customers that we hear and respect them and want to do everything in our power to make them feel safe and welcome. “Color brave.” I fucking can’t, guys…

    Also this exchange https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8n3rh0/employees_of_starbucks_how_was_the_antibias/

    They told us that if we saw two customers come in at the same time one of them black and one of them white, we must serve the black person first.
    Bullshit.
    I am 100% serious. I was a bit afraid to object though (we all were). Try it yourself, you’ll see that I’m not pulling your leg. I wish I were joking.
    I would of objected the shit out of it…
    I’d rather keep my job. I am not going to get involved with all these retarded social issues.

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    Another link https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n3pxb/i_think_starbucks_is_woke/

    I’m paraphrasing but
    “White people get nervous talking to colored people because they’re afraid they’ll accidentally confirm that they’re racist”
    umm...
    I have a HUGE problem with the wording, because I distinctly remember the word “confirm”. In a corporate training video where every phrase is cherrypicked, I find it strange that they admit they think every white person is inherently racist.
     
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  136. @Clyde
    For what it is worth - I read that Starbuck's black employees do not have to attend. But why wouldn't they? Along with black & minority customers they are the stars of whitey's self flagellation enterprise.

    Of course Black employees should be forced to attend. I was at a WalMart Express grocery store once and a Black woman was actually using the RACE CARD on the Black man store manager to try to convince him that not doing a price match to a store many miles away was RACIST!

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    When your IQ is 80 and all you've heard your whole life is that everything bad that happens to you is because of racism, well...
    , @Polynikes
    In Milwaukee recentlya black state legislator caused a minor flap by calling a bank employee a "house n-word" for not siding with her in a bank dispute. So obviously they should have to go for potential black on black racism, at least.
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  137. @a boy and his dog
    You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit.

    “You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit.”

    Wither this obsession with medical care insurance? Most Starbucks employees are young and healthy, so how much of this sacred benefit do they really use?

    I can’t even summon a mental image of a Boomer slinging frapachinos behind a Starbucks counter, though I’m sure they’re out there somewhere.

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    The basic Kaiser HMO plan in California is about $200-250 a month for someone in their 20's, and that is before subsidies that either the employer or employee get. It isn't a gold plated plan but they are the state's biggest insurer.
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  138. @AnotherGuessModel
    This appeared on Reddit half an hour ago. Take anonymous accounts with a grain of salt, but they will be more truthful than the news. https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n41l0/what/ Just the first paragraph:

    The fuck was that? I mean, seriously. I was actually hoping this would be an informative and interesting training, but all it was was Starbucks covering their asses by equating cringey slogans and buzzwords with an actual effort to show customers that we hear and respect them and want to do everything in our power to make them feel safe and welcome. "Color brave." I fucking can't, guys...
     
    Also this exchange https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/8n3rh0/employees_of_starbucks_how_was_the_antibias/

    They told us that if we saw two customers come in at the same time one of them black and one of them white, we must serve the black person first.
    Bullshit.
    I am 100% serious. I was a bit afraid to object though (we all were). Try it yourself, you'll see that I'm not pulling your leg. I wish I were joking.
    I would of objected the shit out of it...
    I'd rather keep my job. I am not going to get involved with all these retarded social issues.
     

    Another link https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n3pxb/i_think_starbucks_is_woke/

    I’m paraphrasing but
    “White people get nervous talking to colored people because they’re afraid they’ll accidentally confirm that they’re racist”
    umm…
    I have a HUGE problem with the wording, because I distinctly remember the word “confirm”. In a corporate training video where every phrase is cherrypicked, I find it strange that they admit they think every white person is inherently racist.

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    It's long been received wisdom on the left that all whites and only whites are racist. This person is behind the times....
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  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win.

    Deserves got nothin’ to do with it

    If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    The time comes in the affairs of men when everything is about who wields power. When that day comes, you better have some.

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  140. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    Some soy boy named Nolte wrote an article on Cuckbart about how Roseanne deserved her firing.

    Cuckbart is the new National Review.

    Cuckbart is the new National Review.

    I also read that Breitbart pulled their story on Tommy Robinson. They are not, as far as I know, under British jurisdiction, so they were under no legal compulsion to do so.

    If Breitbart is the new National Review, is The Daily Caller the new Breitbart?

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    Breitbart has a substantial London office which is indeed under British jurisdiction and which published the story.
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  141. @Goatweed
    Baristas work for tips?

    How were they compensated for lost tips?

    In the same way lost tips are compensated for in a homeless shelter?

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    According to the ones at the Starbucks I frequent, customer use of the mobile app has cut into the baristas' tips pretty dramatically.
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  142. @Lot
    The point isn't defending a bad joke. The point is all comedians who are actually funny will at times make bad or offensive jokes, but the left decided to kill her show, deprive a lot of people of a job, and 20 million Americans of a show they enjoyed watching. Over one retracted, deleted, and apologized-for joke.

    If any WWC people in the midwest had doubts the Democrats hate them, this very visible episode in the anti-white culture war should clear that up.

    The point isn’t defending a bad joke.

    It’s not fair, but that’s what the so-called optics are.

    Democrats have the upper hand culturally, including the censorious, punitive ones, who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast.

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    who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast
     
    No. You have to be able to tear them down if they try to fuck with you, or be so powerful that they can't tear you down. Because they will try to tear you down literally no matter what you do. Because they hate you.

    They don't recognize the concept of beyond reproach. They start from the assumption that every one of their enemies needs to be torn down solely because they are the enemy.

    You can't good behavior your way out of a who-whom fight.

    (Note: this applies to public figures, for regular wage slaves good behavior is a decent strategy)
    , @Daniel Chieh
    You'll never win if you play someone else's game. The point of the game is to make you lose. The only winning strategy(besides passivism and internal subversion) is to refuse to play at all.
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  143. Lot says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "You are 100% correct considering working at Starbucks is the only way most of these people can get health insurance. I expect they’ll put up with a lot to keep from losing that benefit."

    Wither this obsession with medical care insurance? Most Starbucks employees are young and healthy, so how much of this sacred benefit do they really use?

    I can't even summon a mental image of a Boomer slinging frapachinos behind a Starbucks counter, though I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

    The basic Kaiser HMO plan in California is about $200-250 a month for someone in their 20′s, and that is before subsidies that either the employer or employee get. It isn’t a gold plated plan but they are the state’s biggest insurer.

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  144. Arclight says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I particularly like how this will soon encourage coworkers to report on each other for thoughtcrime.

    What a great place to work in!

    No kidding – and they want to export this behavior to the culture at large. Yet another example of progressive ideology destroying the trust necessary for a well-functioning society.

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  145. @Tony
    Off topic, but go down to the third paragraph for a good laugh.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/23/613762326/where-you-live-affects-your-happiness-and-health-but-how-exactly

    Wouldn’t this make AFFH a crime against humanity (and happiness) to displace the poor blacks from their ‘hoods to force them to go to live among whites?

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  146. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I don't need Marcus Aurelius. I won't get Marcus Aurelius. I need a strongman who despises my enemies.

    We certainly don’t deserve Marcus Aurelius.

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  148. snorlax says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Cuckbart is the new National Review.
     
    I also read that Breitbart pulled their story on Tommy Robinson. They are not, as far as I know, under British jurisdiction, so they were under no legal compulsion to do so.

    If Breitbart is the new National Review, is The Daily Caller the new Breitbart?

    Breitbart has a substantial London office which is indeed under British jurisdiction and which published the story.

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  149. @Cloudbuster
    OT: The Zman's blog has been shut down with "Account suspended."

    http://thezman.com/

    I know the Zman posts her sometimes. What's up?

    I’m able to access Zman’s blog no problem.

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  150. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Look wang lung, this isn’t the Qing dynasty and there’s no such thing as a Mandate of Heaven.

    We’re better than the enemy because we’re us and they’re them, period, full stop.

    Our moral legitimacy comes from the same fact, we deserve to win because we’re us.

    Yes, it really is all about who holds power. Hello? Deal with it

    We are technically better than them in an ojective sense but that literally doesn’t matter at all.

    Ps- I’m about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks but I do have to point out that you aren’t really part of “us”. So it’s not surprising that you don’t get this and are taking the angle about muh principles and muh morals

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    Look wang lung
     
    Go to back to mom’s basement, little boy. If ethnic slurs are all you got, you deserve to lose. For me, it’s about what’s going to make the country better for all Americans. For you, it’s apparently, “I’m such a loser. Where is my stuff?” https://youtu.be/yELo-yNFv6Y

    Ps- I’m about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks
     
    Don’t backpedal on being an asshole.

    I do have to point out that you aren’t really part of “us”
     
    I have zero interest in being a part of the mom’s basement pajama Nazi crowd.

    I belong to a real community of people who are productive, educate their children in traditional Christian values, and love and give to their shared community. I don’t want to belong to a group of cretins who think ape jokes about black people are just so funny.
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  151. @Steve in Greensboro
    Off topic, but does anyone know what happened to The Z Man Blog? I get a message that says "this account has been suspended."

    No trouble evident at http://thezman.com/wordpress/

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  152. snorlax says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    I'm not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don't know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that's part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be "guilt by association" outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn't distance themselves from Roseanne's tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

    It’s true that the left scored some points (on Roseanne’s own goal) here, just as Trump scored some points on MS-13.

    Did the left give in on MS-13? No, they doubled down, like always. Does Trump ever give in? (I mean rhetorically, not in terms of actions). No, never, even when he’s clearly in the wrong (e.g. Trump University) he doubles down.

    Giving in is a poor tactic at the subconscious level.

    To give in is to resemble a prisoner begging for mercy. Weak. Pathetic. A king, an alpha male, a leader of men never gives in no matter what he did to deserve it. Why? Because he never has to.

    Giving in is also a poor tactic at the conscious level.

    In any controversy, people fall into two groups, the offended and the non-offended.

    Giving in maybe helps a tiny bit with the offended group (who mostly hate you anyway), but it hurts you much more with the non-offended, whose legs you just cut out from under them. “I guess it really is indefensible…”

    Doubling down won’t make the offended any more so than they already are, and it will give the non-offended more confidence in their judgment you did nothing wrong.

    Since everyone lives in their own echo chambers these days, doubling down allows the non-offended echo chamber to develop more effective parries and counterattacks, which can be reused next time there’s a similar controversy. Do it enough times and the boundaries of the Overton Window expand to include your once-verboten stance or statement.

    It’s counterintuitive, and indeed poor strategy in our non-politics day-to-day lives for the vast bulk of us who are subjects, not kings, but in the realm of politics you should always double down and never give in.

    To the extent you’re able, of course; publicly defending Roseanne could cost many of us our livelihoods, so in that case it’s best just to avoid the subject and nod along with the PC line if someone else brings it up.

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  153. @Percy Gryce
    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412


    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412

    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.

    She is stupid. I have no opinion on the Tweet since I don’t know who Valerie Jarrett is.

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    She is stupid. I have no opinion on the Tweet since I don’t know who Valerie Jarrett is.

    Then you're not really equipped to discuss politics in America. She was Obama's Rasputin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett
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  154. @Anon
    From the NYT:

    The North’s Jim Crow
    By Andrew W. Kahrl

    Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink. ...

    “Quality of life” laws serve as a potent instrument of racial segregation. They provide commercial establishments, law enforcement officers and everyday citizens with tools enabling them to police racial boundaries while at the same time claiming to simply be upholding the law. ...

    ...As white segregationists in the South were placing “whites only” signs in the windows of restaurants, in the North, more enlightened (or, rather, more savvy) white proprietors and public officials realized that rules restricting public spaces to local residents and the strict but selective enforcement of laws against things like disorderly conduct and loitering could be used to impose racial segregation. ...

    ...In the 1930s, Long Branch, N.J., passed an ordinance requiring all residents to apply for a pass that would allow access to only one of the town’s four public beaches. Town officials claimed the rule was meant to prevent overcrowding. Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others.

     

    NYT: All the news from the 1930s that's fit to print!


    He continues:


    It will take more than sensitivity-training sessions and the public shaming of racist, hypervigilant white women to dismantle today’s system of segregation. Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

    Andrew W. Kahrl, an associate professor of history and African-American studies at the University of Virginia, is the author of “Free the Beaches: The Story of Ned Coll and the Battle for America’s Most Exclusive Shoreline.”

     

    Thanks, I’ll post.

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  155. 1. Those by whom all their coffee is bought
    Are now “equal” to those who buy nought.
    2. Tables taken by mobs.
    3. Less profits and jobs.
    Fate’s brew is more bitter than thought!

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  156. Twinkie says:
    @27 year old

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    Look wang lung, this isn't the Qing dynasty and there's no such thing as a Mandate of Heaven.

    We're better than the enemy because we're us and they're them, period, full stop.

    Our moral legitimacy comes from the same fact, we deserve to win because we're us.

    Yes, it really is all about who holds power. Hello? Deal with it

    We are technically better than them in an ojective sense but that literally doesn't matter at all.

    Ps- I'm about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks but I do have to point out that you aren't really part of "us". So it's not surprising that you don't get this and are taking the angle about muh principles and muh morals

    Look wang lung

    Go to back to mom’s basement, little boy. If ethnic slurs are all you got, you deserve to lose. For me, it’s about what’s going to make the country better for all Americans. For you, it’s apparently, “I’m such a loser. Where is my stuff?” https://youtu.be/yELo-yNFv6Y

    Ps- I’m about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks

    Don’t backpedal on being an asshole.

    I do have to point out that you aren’t really part of “us”

    I have zero interest in being a part of the mom’s basement pajama Nazi crowd.

    I belong to a real community of people who are productive, educate their children in traditional Christian values, and love and give to their shared community. I don’t want to belong to a group of cretins who think ape jokes about black people are just so funny.

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    Grandstanding much? Valerie jarret is more white than black. And the joke had nothing to do with her race. Roseanne didn't even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret's facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.

    You really are a pompous fool. Go hide in your monastery knowing that you are a morally superior. You're not making this world a better place. And no, i dont live in my mom's basement.
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  157. fish says:
    @academic gossip
    If Chairman Howie is non compos mentis, but has Pozzed all the upper management over the years, the Starbucks board of directors will have both internal and external political problems in getting him out. Could be an early senility trainwreck being played out on a national stage.

    Could be an early senility trainwreck being played out on a national stage.

    God I hope so!

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  158. Twinkie says:
    @e
    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e...

    Sorry, I can't copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites "crackers." No one's been fired for it.

    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e…

    Sorry, I can’t copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites “crackers.” No one’s been fired for it.

    I was NOT suggesting that Roseanne Barr should be fired or that the show should be canceled. That’s also stupid.

    My points were two fold. First, what she tweeted was in very poor taste. Second, defending this particular action on her part, because she is “with us,” is also not very bright – because then you own the slur.

    The correct response in my view is to say simply, “What she said was in very poor taste. She should apologize to Ms. Jarrett and she apparently did. Perhaps this episode taught Ms. Barr a good lesson in civility and hopefully she will be more considerate in the future.” And upon hearing the news of the cancellation of the show, one could say, “That’s unfortunate. While what she said was crude and in poor taste, she acknowledged her mistake and publicly apologized for it. To take her livelihood away and deprive millions of Americans who identify with the blue collar characters of the TV show at this point appear excessive and vindictively punitive.” Followed by, “I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior.”

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    Followed by, “I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior.”
     
    You have now backpedaled into repeating the statement of mine you took exception to!

    I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.
     
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  159. Twinkie says:
    @Lot
    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!

    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!

    Straw man.

    I’d say the same thing about a comedian who makes jokes about Jews being big-nosed, bloodsucking usurists.

    C’mon. Seriously? Calling a black person an ape. Was that even supposed to be a joke?

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    It was a pretty lame 'joke' but your histrionics are redeeming it in the laffs department.
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  160. bomag says:
    @Anon
    From the NYT:

    The North’s Jim Crow
    By Andrew W. Kahrl

    Last month in Philadelphia, a white Starbucks manager summoned police officers to confront a pair of African-American men after one asked to use the restroom before he had purchased a drink. ...

    “Quality of life” laws serve as a potent instrument of racial segregation. They provide commercial establishments, law enforcement officers and everyday citizens with tools enabling them to police racial boundaries while at the same time claiming to simply be upholding the law. ...

    ...As white segregationists in the South were placing “whites only” signs in the windows of restaurants, in the North, more enlightened (or, rather, more savvy) white proprietors and public officials realized that rules restricting public spaces to local residents and the strict but selective enforcement of laws against things like disorderly conduct and loitering could be used to impose racial segregation. ...

    ...In the 1930s, Long Branch, N.J., passed an ordinance requiring all residents to apply for a pass that would allow access to only one of the town’s four public beaches. Town officials claimed the rule was meant to prevent overcrowding. Without exception, though, black applicants were assigned to the same beach and were denied entry to the others.

     

    NYT: All the news from the 1930s that's fit to print!


    He continues:


    It will take more than sensitivity-training sessions and the public shaming of racist, hypervigilant white women to dismantle today’s system of segregation. Limiting the power of white people to use the law to act out their vision of a “quality” life that excludes black people is a place to start.

    Andrew W. Kahrl, an associate professor of history and African-American studies at the University of Virginia, is the author of “Free the Beaches: The Story of Ned Coll and the Battle for America’s Most Exclusive Shoreline.”

     

    NYT: All the news from the 1930s that’s fit to print!

    LOL

    Notice here the “criticism creep”: the usual SJW smearing of the South on race relations will now be applied to the rest of the country. Get ready to have ALL the “wrong” statues removed while re-education is ramped up. The boot is on its way.

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  161. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    Remember when that SNL cast member referred to white people as bitches and crackers. Funny how they didn’t cancel SNL.
    i.magaimg.net/img/3e…

    Sorry, I can’t copy/paste the pic.
    This last year and half several skits have called Trump and whites “crackers.” No one’s been fired for it.
     
    I was NOT suggesting that Roseanne Barr should be fired or that the show should be canceled. That's also stupid.

    My points were two fold. First, what she tweeted was in very poor taste. Second, defending this particular action on her part, because she is "with us," is also not very bright - because then you own the slur.

    The correct response in my view is to say simply, "What she said was in very poor taste. She should apologize to Ms. Jarrett and she apparently did. Perhaps this episode taught Ms. Barr a good lesson in civility and hopefully she will be more considerate in the future." And upon hearing the news of the cancellation of the show, one could say, "That's unfortunate. While what she said was crude and in poor taste, she acknowledged her mistake and publicly apologized for it. To take her livelihood away and deprive millions of Americans who identify with the blue collar characters of the TV show at this point appear excessive and vindictively punitive." Followed by, "I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior."

    Followed by, “I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior.”

    You have now backpedaled into repeating the statement of mine you took exception to!

    I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.

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    You have now backpedaled into repeating the statement of mine you took exception to!
     
    Um. No. I never took exception to this: "I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets."

    Go back and read my comment. I never said that canceling Ms. Barr's show was justified. I simply stated that what she said was not politically correct, but simply stupid and in poor taste. I also implied that defending that "joke" was also not very bright (as it were, Barr herself apologized for it).
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  162. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    God forbid a comedian make a joke in poor taste that could offend a black or Muslim. Purge her!
     
    Straw man.

    I'd say the same thing about a comedian who makes jokes about Jews being big-nosed, bloodsucking usurists.

    C'mon. Seriously? Calling a black person an ape. Was that even supposed to be a joke?

    It was a pretty lame ‘joke’ but your histrionics are redeeming it in the laffs department.

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  163. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left's rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them. The same as I'd prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we're at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we're getting. If it soothes your delicate psyche, remember that we're in the realm of pure hypothetical; no leftist show is ever getting canceled over a tweet (unless it offends fellow leftists).

    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them.

    I agree. But it’s hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr’s tweet.

    The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting.

    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?

    If it soothes your delicate psyche

    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years. During those years I came up with all kinds of very devilish ways to put a hurt on our enemies overseas.

    It’s very easy taking delight in battle and in putting a beating on one’s enemies. Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser’s kid doesn’t come back to murder your kids later) – that’s very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.

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    I agree. But it’s hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr’s tweet.
     
    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?
     
    I meant "terror bombing" in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.

    But, as it happens, something along those lines is the traditional method of suppressing terrorism. Like stereotypes, traditions tend to exist for a reason, as the Israelis, Arab strongmen, China, Russia etc. have independently (re-)discovered.

    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years.
     
    Thank you for your service.

    Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser’s kid doesn’t come back to murder your kids later) – that’s very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.
     
    If the 'loser' comes back for a second round then you didn't win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The "no-win" war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.

    Victory isn't rocket science except to left-liberals. You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory. Then you execute a bunch of the enemy leaders to show you mean business. After that, you tell the remaining enemy leaders to toe the party line on the non-negotiables, then give them otherwise-generous terms to keep running the conquered territory as they see fit. Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.
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  164. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax

    Followed by, “I hope all of you remember this now and demand similar action in the future when a celebrity on the other side of the political spectrum engages in such a behavior.”
     
    You have now backpedaled into repeating the statement of mine you took exception to!

    I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.
     

    You have now backpedaled into repeating the statement of mine you took exception to!

    Um. No. I never took exception to this: “I’ll support this when liberals get their shows canceled for gratuitous and stupid tweets.”

    Go back and read my comment. I never said that canceling Ms. Barr’s show was justified. I simply stated that what she said was not politically correct, but simply stupid and in poor taste. I also implied that defending that “joke” was also not very bright (as it were, Barr herself apologized for it).

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  165. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Dave French, have you been LARPing as an Asian American “my fellow Alt Right” plant?

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    Dave French
     
    I don't know who that is.
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  166. Davosbane says:
    @Twinkie

    Look wang lung
     
    Go to back to mom’s basement, little boy. If ethnic slurs are all you got, you deserve to lose. For me, it’s about what’s going to make the country better for all Americans. For you, it’s apparently, “I’m such a loser. Where is my stuff?” https://youtu.be/yELo-yNFv6Y

    Ps- I’m about 51% just giving you shit with the Asian cracks
     
    Don’t backpedal on being an asshole.

    I do have to point out that you aren’t really part of “us”
     
    I have zero interest in being a part of the mom’s basement pajama Nazi crowd.

    I belong to a real community of people who are productive, educate their children in traditional Christian values, and love and give to their shared community. I don’t want to belong to a group of cretins who think ape jokes about black people are just so funny.

    Grandstanding much? Valerie jarret is more white than black. And the joke had nothing to do with her race. Roseanne didn’t even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret’s facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.

    You really are a pompous fool. Go hide in your monastery knowing that you are a morally superior. You’re not making this world a better place. And no, i dont live in my mom’s basement.

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    Roseanne didn’t even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret’s facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.
     
    Let me get this straight. Barr didn't know that Jarrett was part black, but she knew Jarrett lived in the Middle East?

    You’re not making this world a better place.
     
    And defending apes jokes about a black person is?
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  167. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    My summum bonum is for nobody to get fired over a tweet. But if those are the left’s rules I sure as fuck support holding them to them.
     
    I agree. But it's hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr's tweet.

    The same as I’d prefer for there to be no terror bombing, but if we’re at war I sure as fuck support giving it to them ten times what we’re getting.
     
    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?

    If it soothes your delicate psyche
     
    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years. During those years I came up with all kinds of very devilish ways to put a hurt on our enemies overseas.

    It's very easy taking delight in battle and in putting a beating on one's enemies. Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser's kid doesn't come back to murder your kids later) - that's very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.

    I agree. But it’s hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr’s tweet.

    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?

    I meant “terror bombing” in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.

    But, as it happens, something along those lines is the traditional method of suppressing terrorism. Like stereotypes, traditions tend to exist for a reason, as the Israelis, Arab strongmen, China, Russia etc. have independently (re-)discovered.

    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years.

    Thank you for your service.

    Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser’s kid doesn’t come back to murder your kids later) – that’s very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.

    If the ‘loser’ comes back for a second round then you didn’t win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The “no-win” war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.

    Victory isn’t rocket science except to left-liberals. You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory. Then you execute a bunch of the enemy leaders to show you mean business. After that, you tell the remaining enemy leaders to toe the party line on the non-negotiables, then give them otherwise-generous terms to keep running the conquered territory as they see fit. Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.

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    Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.
     
    Or Chechnya, for one of the more recent examples.
    , @Twinkie

    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

     

    You seem not to be advocating "winning military engagements with Slobo," but rather killing his family and relatives.

    I meant “terror bombing” in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.
     
    Firebombing Japanese cities was not what crippled its military industry and destroyed its capacity to resist American advances. USN submarines were what killed the Japanese military industry and deprived the "home islands" of resources Japan desperately needed. The value of "strategic bombing" was questionable. Moreover, times have changed since World War II, and the moral (and legal) calculations governing use of force have transformed dramatically. You or I may not like it, but that's the reality.

    Israelis
     
    They don't exactly have peace with Arabs today, do they?

    Arab strongmen
     
    You should ask Assad about what his daddy did to the city of Hama. And how that worked out in the long run.

    If the ‘loser’ comes back for a second round then you didn’t win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The “no-win” war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.
     
    Unless you engage in a complete genocide, this has been known to happen quite frequently in history. And, no, this is not just "a modern Anglo-American phenomenon." As an easy example that comes to mind due to a discussion I recently had, ask the Romans about the Samnites.

    You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory.
     
    Define that for me in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan.
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  168. snorlax says:
    @snorlax

    I agree. But it’s hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr’s tweet.
     
    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?
     
    I meant "terror bombing" in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.

    But, as it happens, something along those lines is the traditional method of suppressing terrorism. Like stereotypes, traditions tend to exist for a reason, as the Israelis, Arab strongmen, China, Russia etc. have independently (re-)discovered.

    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years.
     
    Thank you for your service.

    Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser’s kid doesn’t come back to murder your kids later) – that’s very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.
     
    If the 'loser' comes back for a second round then you didn't win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The "no-win" war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.

    Victory isn't rocket science except to left-liberals. You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory. Then you execute a bunch of the enemy leaders to show you mean business. After that, you tell the remaining enemy leaders to toe the party line on the non-negotiables, then give them otherwise-generous terms to keep running the conquered territory as they see fit. Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.

    Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.

    Or Chechnya, for one of the more recent examples.

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  169. @Twinkie
    Yeah, that wasn’t politically incorrect. It was stupid and in poor taste.

    Troll tag? Jeez, I guess you’re not a fan of KOOLs.

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    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
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  170. Pericles says:
    @Dutch Boy
    No prob - Mozart and Vivaldi will keep out the scum.

    … some Bach organ works to mop up any remaining resistance …

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  171. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Troll tag? Jeez, I guess you’re not a fan of KOOLs.

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.

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    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
     
    Yup, I am completely humorless. That's why I wrote this: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-ultimate-united-airline-post/
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  172. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Dave French, have you been LARPing as an Asian American "my fellow Alt Right" plant?

    Dave French

    I don’t know who that is.

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    A weak attempt to dodge the rhetorical barb when you're linked to a massive depository of information where you can search for who this person is.
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  173. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.

    Yup, I am completely humorless. That’s why I wrote this: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-ultimate-united-airline-post/

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    "AS YOU CAN SURELY SEE, THIS POST QUALIFIES AS 'HUMOR', AS IT FULFILLS SEVEN OF THE NINE REQUIRED MILESTONES TO PRODUCE AN AMUSED RESPONSE IN YOU HUMA-...US HUMANS."
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  174. Twinkie says:
    @Davosbane
    Grandstanding much? Valerie jarret is more white than black. And the joke had nothing to do with her race. Roseanne didn't even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret's facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.

    You really are a pompous fool. Go hide in your monastery knowing that you are a morally superior. You're not making this world a better place. And no, i dont live in my mom's basement.

    Roseanne didn’t even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret’s facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.

    Let me get this straight. Barr didn’t know that Jarrett was part black, but she knew Jarrett lived in the Middle East?

    You’re not making this world a better place.

    And defending apes jokes about a black person is?

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    Yeah right. And I bet that you didn't know that Carol Channing (coincidental riff off Channing Dungey??) was Huwhite, now did ya? Tell me it ain't so.


    https://www.biography.com/people/carol-channing-9542563
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  175. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax

    I agree. But it’s hard to hold them to the rules if we now defend Ms. Barr’s tweet.
     
    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

    What does that mean? If a terrorist bombs and kills ten people, we are going to randomly kill 100 people who live near the terrorist? Is that seriously what you propose?
     
    I meant "terror bombing" in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.

    But, as it happens, something along those lines is the traditional method of suppressing terrorism. Like stereotypes, traditions tend to exist for a reason, as the Israelis, Arab strongmen, China, Russia etc. have independently (re-)discovered.

    You probably are unaware I took much delight in hunting down and killing terrorists for a few years.
     
    Thank you for your service.

    Winning the war and creating the conditions for a sustainable peace afterwards (so that the loser’s kid doesn’t come back to murder your kids later) – that’s very hard and takes some judicious, strategic thinking.
     
    If the 'loser' comes back for a second round then you didn't win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The "no-win" war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.

    Victory isn't rocket science except to left-liberals. You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory. Then you execute a bunch of the enemy leaders to show you mean business. After that, you tell the remaining enemy leaders to toe the party line on the non-negotiables, then give them otherwise-generous terms to keep running the conquered territory as they see fit. Works just as well in Japan as in the Philippines, as in Dixie, as in Scotland.

    Nope. To stick with military metaphors, which is the more effective method to ensure Slobo is prosecuted for his violations of International Law?

    A) Strict adherence to International Law in military engagements with Slobo.
    B) Winning military engagements with Slobo.

    You seem not to be advocating “winning military engagements with Slobo,” but rather killing his family and relatives.

    I meant “terror bombing” in the WWII-era sense of strategic bombardment of cities.

    Firebombing Japanese cities was not what crippled its military industry and destroyed its capacity to resist American advances. USN submarines were what killed the Japanese military industry and deprived the “home islands” of resources Japan desperately needed. The value of “strategic bombing” was questionable. Moreover, times have changed since World War II, and the moral (and legal) calculations governing use of force have transformed dramatically. You or I may not like it, but that’s the reality.

    Israelis

    They don’t exactly have peace with Arabs today, do they?

    Arab strongmen

    You should ask Assad about what his daddy did to the city of Hama. And how that worked out in the long run.

    If the ‘loser’ comes back for a second round then you didn’t win. Almost all wars in history end in victory for one side or a true stalemate. The “no-win” war where conventional victory is followed by protracted, semi- or unsucessful occupation is a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.

    Unless you engage in a complete genocide, this has been known to happen quite frequently in history. And, no, this is not just “a modern Anglo-American phenomenon.” As an easy example that comes to mind due to a discussion I recently had, ask the Romans about the Samnites.

    You first win a total, overwhelming, unambiguous victory.

    Define that for me in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan.

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  176. Rona says:
    @Anonymous
    Off-Topic:

    Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused

    https://NYTi.ms/2GXDilN

    Both the George W. Bush administration and the Purdue Pharma owners (((Sacklers))) fully knew what was going on. In the last two decades 200,000 people dead. It’s interesting that back in the day of the evil WASP elite one Sackler was denied college admission because Jew quota was already filled so he went to UK to study medicine. He was, unfortunately, let back in.

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  177. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    Another link https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/8n3pxb/i_think_starbucks_is_woke/

    I’m paraphrasing but
    “White people get nervous talking to colored people because they’re afraid they’ll accidentally confirm that they’re racist”
    umm...
    I have a HUGE problem with the wording, because I distinctly remember the word “confirm”. In a corporate training video where every phrase is cherrypicked, I find it strange that they admit they think every white person is inherently racist.
     

    It’s long been received wisdom on the left that all whites and only whites are racist. This person is behind the times….

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  178. AndrewR says:
    @Joe Stalin
    Of course Black employees should be forced to attend. I was at a WalMart Express grocery store once and a Black woman was actually using the RACE CARD on the Black man store manager to try to convince him that not doing a price match to a store many miles away was RACIST!

    When your IQ is 80 and all you’ve heard your whole life is that everything bad that happens to you is because of racism, well…

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  179. @AnotherGuessModel

    The point isn’t defending a bad joke.
     
    It's not fair, but that's what the so-called optics are.

    Democrats have the upper hand culturally, including the censorious, punitive ones, who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast.

    who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast

    No. You have to be able to tear them down if they try to fuck with you, or be so powerful that they can’t tear you down. Because they will try to tear you down literally no matter what you do. Because they hate you.

    They don’t recognize the concept of beyond reproach. They start from the assumption that every one of their enemies needs to be torn down solely because they are the enemy.

    You can’t good behavior your way out of a who-whom fight.

    (Note: this applies to public figures, for regular wage slaves good behavior is a decent strategy)

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  180. @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.

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    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.
     
    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean... You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”
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  181. lavoisier says: • Website
    @iffen
    Well, if dem Jews didn't control the TV biz, we could say whatever we wanted to about the knee-grows and not lose our job.

    Just apply the same standard to the hate whitey crap coming from the left.

    No more freedom to say bad things about whitey and get away with it.

    If you want to shut down hateful and vulgar speech, do it across the board!!

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  182. @International Jew
    For three hours?

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  183. @ben tillman

    OT: ABC cancels Roseanne after her Valerie Jarrett tweet:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412

    I enjoy a good troll as much as the next guy, but that tweet seemed a bit gratuitous and frankly stupid.
     

    She is stupid. I have no opinion on the Tweet since I don't know who Valerie Jarrett is.

    She is stupid. I have no opinion on the Tweet since I don’t know who Valerie Jarrett is.

    Then you’re not really equipped to discuss politics in America. She was Obama’s Rasputin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

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  184. ChrisZ says:
    @TheBoom
    My guess it's that they were looking for an excuse to cancel it to virtue signal to their peers, as SJW love to do, that they put being woke over making money and speaking to their audience. I imagine that Roseanne's ratings didn't go over well at cocktail parties.

    That sounds about right, Boom. That’s why the cancellation happened so fast: the network’s “finger” was already on the trigger, waiting for the opportunity—which was, sadly, inevitable.

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  185. Brutusale says:
    @Barnard
    I doubt it. Corporate management doesn't really care how uncomfortable this makes the front line workers. Plus they have backed themselves into such a corner that there really isn't a way to eject undesirables without causing a scandal.

    Maybe it is different in other parts of the country, but where I live, it appears Starbucks gets more business through the drive up window than people sitting in the store drinking coffee. This article would claims that is the case nationwide. Having 70% of sales come through the window is consistent with what I have heard about other fast food places. If they have stores where undesirables cause problems or pose a safety risk, they will change the location to a drive thru only location and close the seating area. The small amount of lost sales will be insignificant compared to dealing with these other problems.

    http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/as-starbucks-embraces-the-drive-thru-a-few-speed-traps-ahead

    There are 5 Starbucks within a 5-mile radius of my place. The most profitable is the one with the drive through. A new strip mall is being built a couple miles up Route 1 from a current location, and they’re moving the Starbucks to the new place for a drive-up window.

    Drive ups are problematic in some places. My SWPLville town bans chains and drive ups.

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  186. ChrisZ says:
    @iffen
    … girl on girl spite knows no boundary …

    Female/male difference.

    Females will hug it out and make up only to bring everything back up, verbatim, in a month or two, hug it out, ad infinitum.

    Males will fight it out and become bonded best friends and never mention it again, or will remain permanent enemies and stay out of each other's way.

    Good observation, iffen, which warrants further development.

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  187. Brutusale says:
    @Twinkie
    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    Twinks, you know that the rules of the dojo don’t apply in a dockside brawl.

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    Don't expect him to sheathe his Hanzo Hattori steel just yet.
    , @Twinkie
    I don’t get into dockside brawls. It’s either good boy self-defense in public or... if I were to decide to fight for real, usually my target doesn’t even know until it’s too late. And there won’t even be a body left. No body, no crime. :)
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  188. @AnotherGuessModel
    I'm not good at predicting outcomes of controversies, and I don't know how this will all play out, but you have to choose your battles. ABC pulled off a classic Trump trick. Just like defending M-13 members against being called animals, defending Roseanne against likening a black person to an ape is basically impossible to do without digging yourself into a hole.

    Watching people trying to make an equivalency with Trump being called an orangutan is cringe-worthy. Even if they do find examples of people on the ABC roster saying something equivalent to the ape joke, pointing out double standards never works; that's part of why hypocrisy drives people crazy.

    No doubt many people quietly think that cancelling the show is an excessive punishment. But intelligent people know better than to make any statement that seems to support Roseanne. Especially those on the right, who are bracing for the next move, which will be "guilt by association" outrage towards conservatives and Trump supporters. And those who didn't distance themselves from Roseanne's tweet will be stuck in that hole and risk bringing everyone else down with them.

    Look, I’ll be okay with this when someday a company can choose to fire all of its gay or female employees because the management feels like it. Until then, this is all bullshit double standards. As far as the left is considered, I’m a Nazi rapist anyway because I don’t worship fags, so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.
     
    The battle is not for the feelings of our enemies. It’s for the hearts and minds of the great masses of those in the middle who haven’t picked a side yet. You want to come off like power-obsessed juvenile assholes (“Heh, ape jokes for negroes!”) or do you want to show the yet-committed that you are better than our enemies and that your cause is just?
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  189. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    In the same way lost tips are compensated for in a homeless shelter?

    According to the ones at the Starbucks I frequent, customer use of the mobile app has cut into the baristas’ tips pretty dramatically.

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    Nose rings have cut into the baristas' tips dramatically.
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  190. @AnotherGuessModel

    The point isn’t defending a bad joke.
     
    It's not fair, but that's what the so-called optics are.

    Democrats have the upper hand culturally, including the censorious, punitive ones, who wield a lot of power. You have to be above reproach, because they will tear you down over scraps, and the joke in question is a feast.

    You’ll never win if you play someone else’s game. The point of the game is to make you lose. The only winning strategy(besides passivism and internal subversion) is to refuse to play at all.

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    In addition, you’ll never win if you don’t play the long game, and choose your battles wisely. You may disagree with this strategy, but it is the reason that even some of the most confrontational public voices are sitting this one out.
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  191. @Brutusale
    According to the ones at the Starbucks I frequent, customer use of the mobile app has cut into the baristas' tips pretty dramatically.

    Nose rings have cut into the baristas’ tips dramatically.

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  192. prusmc says: • Website
    @Forbes
    Portlandia. 'Nuff said.

    Recently spent a week in greater Portland. Went to a small Puerto Rican restaurant, about 10 tables. Several very prominent signs in English “restrooms are for customers only”. ALSO visited a huge Mexican combo supermarket/eatery/take out place. Very clean/orderly with friendly staff. EIGHTY percent appeared to be speaking Spanish. I noticed the same type sign plus several”we reserve the right to provide service” notices.
    I don’t know what Oregon State laws are or what local ordinances require, but in a state that fines a bakery out_of_business, I wonder if Hispanic enterprises get a pass.

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    Boy you jus' keep on noticin' . You finna to git yo' narrow white country ass locked up.
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  193. @Garlic
    The big corporate lesson here is that if you’re going to do something like this, do it straight after the incident that gave you the initial bad publicity (say one week later).

    Starbucks has extended the story for, what?, a month for no reason whatsoever. It should be long forgotten by now.

    Starbucks should have ignored the initial social media storm, which would have moved onto something else in a week or two. But CEO Schultz lives to virtue signal!

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  194. @Twinkie

    Roseanne didn’t even know she was black.

    To me, the joke is that valerie Jaret’s facial expressions look like the old planet of the apes prosthetics or whatever they used at that time. And, she lived in the middle east, hence the isis reference.
     
    Let me get this straight. Barr didn't know that Jarrett was part black, but she knew Jarrett lived in the Middle East?

    You’re not making this world a better place.
     
    And defending apes jokes about a black person is?

    Yeah right. And I bet that you didn’t know that Carol Channing (coincidental riff off Channing Dungey??) was Huwhite, now did ya? Tell me it ain’t so.

    https://www.biography.com/people/carol-channing-9542563

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  195. @prusmc
    Recently spent a week in greater Portland. Went to a small Puerto Rican restaurant, about 10 tables. Several very prominent signs in English "restrooms are for customers only". ALSO visited a huge Mexican combo supermarket/eatery/take out place. Very clean/orderly with friendly staff. EIGHTY percent appeared to be speaking Spanish. I noticed the same type sign plus several"we reserve the right to provide service" notices.
    I don't know what Oregon State laws are or what local ordinances require, but in a state that fines a bakery out_of_business, I wonder if Hispanic enterprises get a pass.

    Boy you jus’ keep on noticin’ . You finna to git yo’ narrow white country ass locked up.

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  196. @Daniel Chieh
    You'll never win if you play someone else's game. The point of the game is to make you lose. The only winning strategy(besides passivism and internal subversion) is to refuse to play at all.

    In addition, you’ll never win if you don’t play the long game, and choose your battles wisely. You may disagree with this strategy, but it is the reason that even some of the most confrontational public voices are sitting this one out.

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    The long game of what? Cuckservituding? Am I on National Review or Unz?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/transgenderism-compromise-necessary-to-preserve-social-order/
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  197. @AndrewR
    It was an eye-roller but she gave a grovelling apology almost immediately, to no avail. One lesson I hope everyone can take from this is that apologizing is worthless at best when dealing with the left.

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne

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    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne
     
    As cocky as I am, my father taught me to apologize sincerely and make amends when I’ve done wrong. And that’s served me better than any life lesson an actor gave. I made several good friends this way.

    Not only is it the morally right thing to do, it’s a good-people sifter, if you get my meaning.
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  198. @Twinkie

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
     
    Yup, I am completely humorless. That's why I wrote this: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-ultimate-united-airline-post/

    “AS YOU CAN SURELY SEE, THIS POST QUALIFIES AS ‘HUMOR’, AS IT FULFILLS SEVEN OF THE NINE REQUIRED MILESTONES TO PRODUCE AN AMUSED RESPONSE IN YOU HUMA-…US HUMANS.”

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    Keep trying.

    That comment got more approval of laughter than your comment above ever will... because it was funnier.
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  199. @Twinkie

    Dave French
     
    I don't know who that is.

    A weak attempt to dodge the rhetorical barb when you’re linked to a massive depository of information where you can search for who this person is.

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    When you habitually write things that add value, I will bother to look up your references with which I am unfamiliar.
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  200. @Brutusale
    Twinks, you know that the rules of the dojo don't apply in a dockside brawl.

    Don’t expect him to sheathe his Hanzo Hattori steel just yet.

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  201. @AnotherGuessModel
    In addition, you’ll never win if you don’t play the long game, and choose your battles wisely. You may disagree with this strategy, but it is the reason that even some of the most confrontational public voices are sitting this one out.

    The long game of what? Cuckservituding? Am I on National Review or Unz?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/transgenderism-compromise-necessary-to-preserve-social-order/

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  202. CCZ says:

    Some of the struggle session questions for employees:

    1.The first time you noticed your racial identity.

    2.The first time you noticed how your race affected your beauty standards.

    3.The first time you felt your accent impacted people’s perception of your intelligence or competence.

    4.The first time you altered your communication style (dialed it up or down) to avoid playing into stereotypes.

    5.The first time you had a friend of a different race who regularly visited your home.

    6.The first time you felt distracted at work because of external events related to race.

    7.The first time you had a senior role model in your organization with a similar racial identity as your own.

    8.The first time you went to work with your natural hair without comments or questions from others.

    9.The first time you felt your race affected your ability to build a rapport with your manager.

    https://starbuckschannel.com/thethirdplace/

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  203. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    "AS YOU CAN SURELY SEE, THIS POST QUALIFIES AS 'HUMOR', AS IT FULFILLS SEVEN OF THE NINE REQUIRED MILESTONES TO PRODUCE AN AMUSED RESPONSE IN YOU HUMA-...US HUMANS."

    Keep trying.

    That comment got more approval of laughter than your comment above ever will… because it was funnier.

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    Dourly pointing out that one time over a year ago you were officially funny bolsters Jack’s point. If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this:

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
     
    I AM SERIOUS BUSINESS

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/73/dc/c473dc2244fad60651f25e228d762a43.jpg

    All that said, I like reading your comments. They can be informative and are often quite personally revealing. And your prickly authoritative vanity is so easy to tweak with even mild disagreement—providing for much recurring mirthful bantz. Keep doing what you’re doing, I say!
    , @Jack Hanson
    Nah, my response was still more amusing, the fact you responded in your typical wounded pride style was icing on the cake.
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  204. Twinkie says:
    @Brutusale
    Twinks, you know that the rules of the dojo don't apply in a dockside brawl.

    I don’t get into dockside brawls. It’s either good boy self-defense in public or… if I were to decide to fight for real, usually my target doesn’t even know until it’s too late. And there won’t even be a body left. No body, no crime. :)

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    As most of my fights were "on the job", there wasn't much choice of venue, and I or one of my colleagues were the ones being Pearl Harbored. The aftermath never mattered, as the club owner also owned all the local cops.

    Though it's been 30 years since I've been in a real fight, I don't know if the will to mix it up ever really leaves a guy. I came close last year at the gym of all places. Of course it was with a black guy.

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  205. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Look, I'll be okay with this when someday a company can choose to fire all of its gay or female employees because the management feels like it. Until then, this is all bullshit double standards. As far as the left is considered, I'm a Nazi rapist anyway because I don't worship fags, so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.

    so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.

    The battle is not for the feelings of our enemies. It’s for the hearts and minds of the great masses of those in the middle who haven’t picked a side yet. You want to come off like power-obsessed juvenile assholes (“Heh, ape jokes for negroes!”) or do you want to show the yet-committed that you are better than our enemies and that your cause is just?

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    Fuck demotism. The masses understand only two things anyway: fear and greed.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Looking at the last 40 years of cuckservatism (which you are describing as your battle plan) and I see you've failed to conserve the women's restroom.

    So, in other words, your solution is to heap failure onto failure. No, thank you.
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  206. Twinkie says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness. - John Wayne

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne

    As cocky as I am, my father taught me to apologize sincerely and make amends when I’ve done wrong. And that’s served me better than any life lesson an actor gave. I made several good friends this way.

    Not only is it the morally right thing to do, it’s a good-people sifter, if you get my meaning.

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    Personally, I agree. But there is nothing but downside with the SJWs.
    , @black sea

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne
     
    It's only a sign of weakness when motivated by fear of retribution, rather than genuine contrition.

    What people despise about these back-pedaling PC apologizers is that they desperately cling to some precarious media or political position which a more independent person would recognize is hardly worth the self-abasement. And yes, people see it as a sign of weakness in an enemy whom they wish to completely discredit and whose career they want to destroy. So in that sense, the apologies only hasten one's downfall.
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  207. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, but re Steve's observations about the poor showing of the Indian subcontinent in sports

    a) men's field hockey - India or Pakistan or both were Olympic medallists in every games from 1928 to 1976 i.e. in the days when Western teams were amateurs i.e. weren't effectively state funded as the UK team has been for decades.

    b) squash - (US version is racketball) not yet an Olympic sport but a ridiculously intense and athletic game - I used to walk off sub-zero courts in winter dripping with sweat. A Pakistani guy called Khan won 14 out of 16 world titles between 1981 and 1996 (Egyptians currently dominate the world championships).

    c) cricket - India and Pakistan have some of the best players in the world, and the days of players being talented but unfit or overweight are long gone.

    “c) cricket – India and Pakistan have some of the best players in the world, and the days of players being talented but unfit or overweight are long gone”

    What is the combined population of the West Indies, England, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? Maybe about 100 million, and cricket is a minority sport in some of those countries.

    The combined population of India and Pakistan is well over a billion, and they are mad about cricket.

    They really should have ALL the best players.

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  208. I for one am very excited for the upcoming slate of #metoo stories, where women are groped and harassed by the vagrants now residing at Starbucks, and the employees disgusting refusal to kick them out or even call the police. #Starbucksisthenewpatriarchy

    One of the things that is far too rarely discussed is how most of the arguments within the coalition of the fringes are really just fights between black men and white feminists. Black men are the most masculine people in the country and they want rules and norms loosened for them to have maximum leeway. White feminists are the least feminine and they want rules tightened so that they can have maximum power and be minimally harmed.

    Most of the scuffles (sex on campus, catcalling, the use of the police, #metoo, fights over PC) are really just arguments between these two groups. Feminists introduce some new complicated social rule to give themselves more power and then, when it disproportionately hurts black men, they change their minds.

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  209. @anon

    The Seattle coffee chain on Wednesday announced plans to build nearly 3,000 new stores in mainland China over the next few years. It's aiming to almost double its number of coffee shops in the world's second largest economy, from 3,300 at the moment to 6,000 before the end of 2022.
    That means opening 600 new Starbucks a year in China -- or one every 15 hours -- a significant increase on the company's earlier goal of around 500 a year.
     
    The US homeless situation roundes to zero compared to global market. Expect to see managers on their own regarding common sense. Its about the brand, not the 1,000 or so US stores that may have problems.

    The Seattle coffee chain on Wednesday announced plans to build nearly 3,000 new stores in mainland China over the next few years. It’s aiming to almost double its number of coffee shops in the world’s second largest economy, from 3,300 at the moment to 6,000 before the end of 2022.
    That means opening 600 new Starbucks a year in China — or one every 15 hours — a significant increase on the company’s earlier goal of around 500 a year.

    The US homeless situation roundes to zero compared to global market. Expect to see managers on their own regarding common sense. Its about the brand, not the 1,000 or so US stores that may have problems.

    Problem solved. The most populous country in the World, yet it will be extremely rare that a person of African origin will ever request use of the restroom without making a purchase. Hmmmm, did that go into there thinking?

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  210. @Twinkie

    so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.
     
    The battle is not for the feelings of our enemies. It’s for the hearts and minds of the great masses of those in the middle who haven’t picked a side yet. You want to come off like power-obsessed juvenile assholes (“Heh, ape jokes for negroes!”) or do you want to show the yet-committed that you are better than our enemies and that your cause is just?

    Fuck demotism. The masses understand only two things anyway: fear and greed.

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    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.
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  211. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Fuck demotism. The masses understand only two things anyway: fear and greed.

    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.

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    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.
     
    Most political leaders in most places for most of history have had nothing but contempt for ordinary people. It's never been a barrier to gaining power.
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  212. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    A weak attempt to dodge the rhetorical barb when you're linked to a massive depository of information where you can search for who this person is.

    When you habitually write things that add value, I will bother to look up your references with which I am unfamiliar.

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    C'mon robot friend, tune down your human programming for a split second and you can access your databanks to discern who "French, David" is.
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  213. @Twinkie
    Keep trying.

    That comment got more approval of laughter than your comment above ever will... because it was funnier.

    Dourly pointing out that one time over a year ago you were officially funny bolsters Jack’s point. If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this:

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.

    I AM SERIOUS BUSINESS

    All that said, I like reading your comments. They can be informative and are often quite personally revealing. And your prickly authoritative vanity is so easy to tweak with even mild disagreement—providing for much recurring mirthful bantz. Keep doing what you’re doing, I say!

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    If our friend could laugh at himself, he'd be much more amusing. Instead its effortposting mixed with affronted shock that some one could be bantzed at on eye steve dawt cum.
    , @Twinkie

    If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this
     
    Frankly, I get tired of people who don’t write anything of substantive value, but write snarky comments and personal attacks. A bit of the latter is expected on the internet, but some people here write little else, so there is really no point in reading them. I might be cocky, I might be offputting, but I usually try to inform or otherwise try to arrive at practical solutions for what ails our society.

    I am not bitter. I’m probably financially better off than 99% of people here. I have a beautiful and loving family, and a very supportive local community to which I delight in giving. I am, however, worried about where the country is going (for my children and their peers) and I am also distressed at how hard things have become for people who don’t have my IQ or resources.

    It seems to me, though, there are people here who don’t care about all that, but are only upset that THEY don’t have “stuff” be it money or power. It’s a very unattractive and destructive form of sense of entitlement. Comments derived from that kind of resentment doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t even help those who make them.

    What’s the point of continually deriding me with idiotic insults and snarks (“wang lung,” “bushido master,” etc.)? Ok. So you got to put one over a cocky guy who is more successful than you in real life. Feel better? Is your life better now? Is the country better? Are you smarter or have more knowledge now?

    You talk about “human wiring”... Who is the last person you read here who urged people to invest their time and money in local charity? Making up snarks about other people and constantly trying to put them down is not being humane. It’s just small and childishly petulant.

    I’m by no means suggesting I’m perfect. I get annoyed. I get temperamental. I am too arrogant frequently. But I try to add some value here - hence your acknowledgment that my comments are informative.
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  214. @Twinkie

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne
     
    As cocky as I am, my father taught me to apologize sincerely and make amends when I’ve done wrong. And that’s served me better than any life lesson an actor gave. I made several good friends this way.

    Not only is it the morally right thing to do, it’s a good-people sifter, if you get my meaning.

    Personally, I agree. But there is nothing but downside with the SJWs.

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  215. @Twinkie
    Keep trying.

    That comment got more approval of laughter than your comment above ever will... because it was funnier.

    Nah, my response was still more amusing, the fact you responded in your typical wounded pride style was icing on the cake.

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    Nah, my response was still more amusing,
     
    Only in your mind. That’s why mine was highlighted and yours wasn’t.

    I know, I know, you are a neglected genius. If Mr. Sailer simply got over his boomer cuck-ness, and realized just how awesome and funny your insult-comic routine is, you’d be able to put that recognition on the wall!

    Don’t worry. I recognize your warrior-poetry and secretly burn with resentment. So you win!
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  216. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Dourly pointing out that one time over a year ago you were officially funny bolsters Jack’s point. If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this:

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
     
    I AM SERIOUS BUSINESS

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/73/dc/c473dc2244fad60651f25e228d762a43.jpg

    All that said, I like reading your comments. They can be informative and are often quite personally revealing. And your prickly authoritative vanity is so easy to tweak with even mild disagreement—providing for much recurring mirthful bantz. Keep doing what you’re doing, I say!

    If our friend could laugh at himself, he’d be much more amusing. Instead its effortposting mixed with affronted shock that some one could be bantzed at on eye steve dawt cum.

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    If our friend could laugh at himself, he’d be much more amusing
     
    Yeah, right. You are not the fair, noble kind of an adversary who pays compliments to his opponents. If I were arrogant, your response is, “See, he is just a dick Asian immigrant.” If I were humble, you’d say, “See, Asian fake humility.” If I didn’t say anything, “See, Asian passivity.”

    When was the last time you laughed at yourself here? I see nothing but a string of insults directed at others and comments about how you alone are the clear-eyed realist and everyone else is a cuck (except for “Wang lung” comment - that you gave an “agree”).
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  217. @Twinkie
    When you habitually write things that add value, I will bother to look up your references with which I am unfamiliar.

    C’mon robot friend, tune down your human programming for a split second and you can access your databanks to discern who “French, David” is.

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  218. @Twinkie

    so what I do care about their feelings? Seriously.
     
    The battle is not for the feelings of our enemies. It’s for the hearts and minds of the great masses of those in the middle who haven’t picked a side yet. You want to come off like power-obsessed juvenile assholes (“Heh, ape jokes for negroes!”) or do you want to show the yet-committed that you are better than our enemies and that your cause is just?

    Looking at the last 40 years of cuckservatism (which you are describing as your battle plan) and I see you’ve failed to conserve the women’s restroom.

    So, in other words, your solution is to heap failure onto failure. No, thank you.

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    So what’s your solution?
    , @Brutusale
    Ah, Grasshopper, you cannot discern the unbeatable Go strategy being employed by our worthy Asian-American friend.

    You cannot leave the monastery.
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  219. Polynikes says:
    @Joe Stalin
    Of course Black employees should be forced to attend. I was at a WalMart Express grocery store once and a Black woman was actually using the RACE CARD on the Black man store manager to try to convince him that not doing a price match to a store many miles away was RACIST!

    In Milwaukee recentlya black state legislator caused a minor flap by calling a bank employee a “house n-word” for not siding with her in a bank dispute. So obviously they should have to go for potential black on black racism, at least.

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  220. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Dourly pointing out that one time over a year ago you were officially funny bolsters Jack’s point. If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this:

    Our would be bushido master is humorless to the point of autism.
     
    I AM SERIOUS BUSINESS

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/73/dc/c473dc2244fad60651f25e228d762a43.jpg

    All that said, I like reading your comments. They can be informative and are often quite personally revealing. And your prickly authoritative vanity is so easy to tweak with even mild disagreement—providing for much recurring mirthful bantz. Keep doing what you’re doing, I say!

    If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this

    Frankly, I get tired of people who don’t write anything of substantive value, but write snarky comments and personal attacks. A bit of the latter is expected on the internet, but some people here write little else, so there is really no point in reading them. I might be cocky, I might be offputting, but I usually try to inform or otherwise try to arrive at practical solutions for what ails our society.

    I am not bitter. I’m probably financially better off than 99% of people here. I have a beautiful and loving family, and a very supportive local community to which I delight in giving. I am, however, worried about where the country is going (for my children and their peers) and I am also distressed at how hard things have become for people who don’t have my IQ or resources.

    It seems to me, though, there are people here who don’t care about all that, but are only upset that THEY don’t have “stuff” be it money or power. It’s a very unattractive and destructive form of sense of entitlement. Comments derived from that kind of resentment doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t even help those who make them.

    What’s the point of continually deriding me with idiotic insults and snarks (“wang lung,” “bushido master,” etc.)? Ok. So you got to put one over a cocky guy who is more successful than you in real life. Feel better? Is your life better now? Is the country better? Are you smarter or have more knowledge now?

    You talk about “human wiring”… Who is the last person you read here who urged people to invest their time and money in local charity? Making up snarks about other people and constantly trying to put them down is not being humane. It’s just small and childishly petulant.

    I’m by no means suggesting I’m perfect. I get annoyed. I get temperamental. I am too arrogant frequently. But I try to add some value here – hence your acknowledgment that my comments are informative.

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    "I am not a blow hard," he said while doubling down on being a blowhard.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Twinkie, thanks for your reply. I like coming to iSteve for both the informative stuff from Steve and others and the frequent (moderated) humor and ‘bantz.’ If all the commenters (or Steve himself) were gloom-and-doomers or Emily Posters of impeccable propriety this place would be worthless.

    This blog, like many places on the net, attracts all kinds of personalities. Now if your tone or content gets considerable friction from others, maybe it’s on them, maybe it’s you. Whatever. But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults. The two epithets that you took exception to above (wang lung, bushido master) were IMHO pretty mild and apropos:

    First, a perhaps overly heated 27 year old was pointing out the obvious in a racial context: e.g. “What do you mean ‘we’ Asian man?” If your ‘theory of mind’ passive radar array is working, your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power, especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement:

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost. (FWIW I’m not particularly worked up about Roseanne being cancelled—she blew it up on purpose. Other stuff like US banking cartels conspiring to dictate civilian gun policy is the kind of thing that will lead to real trouble.)

    Second, Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because you’re of Asian descent, a warrior/strategist, live by rigid codes, and you make none of that a secret. You getting miffed at “bushido master” makes for an amusing contrast to your tough-guy background.

    A while back you mentioned the late Scott Helvenston. (Maybe you knew him?) From what I saw on the TV, (I know, I know, it’s all fake) he was a mouthy sumbitch who liked to get under people’s skin. Interesting to watch, but I admit I wouldn’t want him busting my balls 24/7.

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first. It may take some practice to do it with humor, rather than pique. Also, knowing self-deprecation works too—agree and amplify as in my SERIOUS BUSINESS example. There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    Commenter Lot once summarily quit iSteve due to his own (then) wussy nature and this blog’s supposed excessive hostility towards his favorite Tribe. Since he’s been back, he’s had some good comments, some lame comments, but if I decide to (deservedly) tweak him he steps up in kind, or otherwise responds nonchalantly. That’s an improvement over the old Lot. He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    To wrap up, yes you’re a valued regular, and yeah you rub some people the wrong way for various reasons. And there’s nothing wrong with that per se; it makes for amusing drama at the very least.

    If you want to take a less masochistic path, you might want to lighten up in general, read people, and be more willing to spar using humor (this may not come easy—it helps if you can think in a surreal or absurd conceptual manner). You may find your time here more enjoyable, while still imparting your knowledge and opinions on things that matter.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you. You’re okay the way you are! You’re a grown-ass man (or leg man whatever) and don’t need anons on the ‘net telling you what to do—but I thought I’d let you know what’s on my mind, since you candidly responded to my previous comment.
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  221. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Nah, my response was still more amusing, the fact you responded in your typical wounded pride style was icing on the cake.

    Nah, my response was still more amusing,

    Only in your mind. That’s why mine was highlighted and yours wasn’t.

    I know, I know, you are a neglected genius. If Mr. Sailer simply got over his boomer cuck-ness, and realized just how awesome and funny your insult-comic routine is, you’d be able to put that recognition on the wall!

    Don’t worry. I recognize your warrior-poetry and secretly burn with resentment. So you win!

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    Yes, exactly.

    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.
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  222. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Looking at the last 40 years of cuckservatism (which you are describing as your battle plan) and I see you've failed to conserve the women's restroom.

    So, in other words, your solution is to heap failure onto failure. No, thank you.

    So what’s your solution?

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    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.
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  223. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    If our friend could laugh at himself, he'd be much more amusing. Instead its effortposting mixed with affronted shock that some one could be bantzed at on eye steve dawt cum.

    If our friend could laugh at himself, he’d be much more amusing

    Yeah, right. You are not the fair, noble kind of an adversary who pays compliments to his opponents. If I were arrogant, your response is, “See, he is just a dick Asian immigrant.” If I were humble, you’d say, “See, Asian fake humility.” If I didn’t say anything, “See, Asian passivity.”

    When was the last time you laughed at yourself here? I see nothing but a string of insults directed at others and comments about how you alone are the clear-eyed realist and everyone else is a cuck (except for “Wang lung” comment – that you gave an “agree”).

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    Well when you're right, you're right.

    And I'm right. Whattaya want me to do about it?

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  224. @Twinkie

    If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this
     
    Frankly, I get tired of people who don’t write anything of substantive value, but write snarky comments and personal attacks. A bit of the latter is expected on the internet, but some people here write little else, so there is really no point in reading them. I might be cocky, I might be offputting, but I usually try to inform or otherwise try to arrive at practical solutions for what ails our society.

    I am not bitter. I’m probably financially better off than 99% of people here. I have a beautiful and loving family, and a very supportive local community to which I delight in giving. I am, however, worried about where the country is going (for my children and their peers) and I am also distressed at how hard things have become for people who don’t have my IQ or resources.

    It seems to me, though, there are people here who don’t care about all that, but are only upset that THEY don’t have “stuff” be it money or power. It’s a very unattractive and destructive form of sense of entitlement. Comments derived from that kind of resentment doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t even help those who make them.

    What’s the point of continually deriding me with idiotic insults and snarks (“wang lung,” “bushido master,” etc.)? Ok. So you got to put one over a cocky guy who is more successful than you in real life. Feel better? Is your life better now? Is the country better? Are you smarter or have more knowledge now?

    You talk about “human wiring”... Who is the last person you read here who urged people to invest their time and money in local charity? Making up snarks about other people and constantly trying to put them down is not being humane. It’s just small and childishly petulant.

    I’m by no means suggesting I’m perfect. I get annoyed. I get temperamental. I am too arrogant frequently. But I try to add some value here - hence your acknowledgment that my comments are informative.

    “I am not a blow hard,” he said while doubling down on being a blowhard.

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  225. @Twinkie

    If our friend could laugh at himself, he’d be much more amusing
     
    Yeah, right. You are not the fair, noble kind of an adversary who pays compliments to his opponents. If I were arrogant, your response is, “See, he is just a dick Asian immigrant.” If I were humble, you’d say, “See, Asian fake humility.” If I didn’t say anything, “See, Asian passivity.”

    When was the last time you laughed at yourself here? I see nothing but a string of insults directed at others and comments about how you alone are the clear-eyed realist and everyone else is a cuck (except for “Wang lung” comment - that you gave an “agree”).

    Well when you’re right, you’re right.

    And I’m right. Whattaya want me to do about it?

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    Whattaya want me to do about it?
     
    Stop being a hypocrite and a jackass once in a while and make a substantive point, instead of insulting anyone who disagrees. In other words, try to convince someone instead of engaging in intellectual masturbation for your own gratification.
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  226. @Twinkie

    Nah, my response was still more amusing,
     
    Only in your mind. That’s why mine was highlighted and yours wasn’t.

    I know, I know, you are a neglected genius. If Mr. Sailer simply got over his boomer cuck-ness, and realized just how awesome and funny your insult-comic routine is, you’d be able to put that recognition on the wall!

    Don’t worry. I recognize your warrior-poetry and secretly burn with resentment. So you win!

    Yes, exactly.

    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.

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    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.
     
    And you need a dont_be_a_dick_routine.exe. But, then again, you are not a robot, are you? No. Just someone whose emotionally maturity was stunted at age five.
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  227. @Twinkie
    So what’s your solution?

    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.

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    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.
     
    Elaborate. One sentence does not a plan make.
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  228. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Whiskey
    Megaphone. Hollywood has not cared about money in decades. No one owns anything and a hit or flop execs and producers and agents get paid the same... lots.

    No one is hungry and virtue signal all the way.

    Megaphone. Hollywood has not cared about money in decades. No one owns anything and a hit or flop execs and producers and agents get paid the same… lots.

    Essentially correct. They care about money but they care a whole lot more about power. The money is only valuable to them because it can be translated into power.

    They will cheerfully sacrifice millions for the opportunity of exercising their power, and demonstrating their ability and their willingness to wield that power.

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  229. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ed
    It was a nasty tweet worthy of sanction but cancelling the show a few hours later is rash. It’s crazy and short sighted, not something you expect leaders to do. They shouldn’t react to Twitter outrage immediately.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America. Fox and Breitbart are already pushing back on her firing. Good chance Trump chimes in support.

    This will blowback on them. It becomes part of the culture war because of where Roseanne’s fans live, Middle America.

    I don’t think you understand what is happening. They don’t care. They have won the culture war. Now they’re just making sure that all those ordinary folks in Middle America understand that they lost the culture war and that they understand the consequences. It’s about demonstrating to those people that no opposition will be tolerated. You do what you’re told, or else.

    It’s about humiliating the losers of the culture war so they will never dare to even contemplate offering any resistance in future.

    From the point of view of the cultural left it’s no longer a war. They’ve now moved on to the stage of organising the triumphal parade in which their enemies are led through the streets in chains.

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  230. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.

    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.

    Elaborate. One sentence does not a plan make.

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    Nah, I'm not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn't pretending to be human can get the gist of what I'm saying.

    If you can't figure it out, well I guess that's another thing you'll never know along with how to be funny.
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  231. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Well when you're right, you're right.

    And I'm right. Whattaya want me to do about it?

    Whattaya want me to do about it?

    Stop being a hypocrite and a jackass once in a while and make a substantive point, instead of insulting anyone who disagrees. In other words, try to convince someone instead of engaging in intellectual masturbation for your own gratification.

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    "BEEP BOOP HUMAN I CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOUR BLEND OF RHETORIC AND DIDETIC BEEP BOOP CIRCUITS MELTING DOWN"

    This exchange is reminding me of Eddie blowing Blaine's circuits in Wizard and Glass with knock knock jokes.
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  232. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Yes, exactly.

    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.

    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.

    And you need a dont_be_a_dick_routine.exe. But, then again, you are not a robot, are you? No. Just someone whose emotionally maturity was stunted at age five.

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    "The jerk store called, they're all outta you!"

    Lol okay Asian Constanza.

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  233. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.

    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.

    Most political leaders in most places for most of history have had nothing but contempt for ordinary people. It’s never been a barrier to gaining power.

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    Most political leaders in most places for most of history have had nothing but contempt for ordinary people.
     
    Not true. What did Mao Tse-Tung advise his cadres? How did he tell them to treat the peasants?
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  234. Anon 2 says:
    @Lot
    Roseanne was the highest rated scripted show on American television:

    "Either way, Roseanne is the highest-rated and most-watched series of the broadcast season, eclipsing NBC's This Is Us and CBS' Big Bang Theory — which had been in a heated battle for top status."

    Not only that, it disproportionately attracted younger viewers, pushing it ahead as more valuable than NBC's "the Voice" which had higher ratings overall.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-roseanne-finale-dips-but-dominates-abc-1114311

    I thought it was great TV.

    Who needs television when we have the Internet, video games, and BOOKS?
    Television has become so anti-white (esp. anti-white male) that (with minor
    exceptions like the news) I stopped watching years ago. Hence I couldn’t care
    less if Roseanne or any other show get cancelled.

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  235. Twinkie says:
    @dfordoom

    So you just want to will yourself to power, all the while displaying contempt for ordinary people. Good luck with that.
     
    Most political leaders in most places for most of history have had nothing but contempt for ordinary people. It's never been a barrier to gaining power.

    Most political leaders in most places for most of history have had nothing but contempt for ordinary people.

    Not true. What did Mao Tse-Tung advise his cadres? How did he tell them to treat the peasants?

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  236. Steve,

    As an extension of your “Struggle Session” analogy to the PC left, can we popularize the moniker “MAOist” (or “MAOAist”) as an abbreviation for Make America Offended (Again) ist /ism? It can serve as a tongue in cheek analog of how the left uses Fascist / Nazi for anyone to their right by attaching a snide abuse of a taboo to their position / posturing. Anyways, perhaps the joke would be missed, as it is increasingly becoming simply descriptively accurate.

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  237. black sea says:
    @Twinkie

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne
     
    As cocky as I am, my father taught me to apologize sincerely and make amends when I’ve done wrong. And that’s served me better than any life lesson an actor gave. I made several good friends this way.

    Not only is it the morally right thing to do, it’s a good-people sifter, if you get my meaning.

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. – John Wayne

    It’s only a sign of weakness when motivated by fear of retribution, rather than genuine contrition.

    What people despise about these back-pedaling PC apologizers is that they desperately cling to some precarious media or political position which a more independent person would recognize is hardly worth the self-abasement. And yes, people see it as a sign of weakness in an enemy whom they wish to completely discredit and whose career they want to destroy. So in that sense, the apologies only hasten one’s downfall.

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  238. @Twinkie

    Make the enemy live up to their own rules, which you seem dead set against, versus losing nobly.
     
    Elaborate. One sentence does not a plan make.

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.

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  239. @Twinkie

    Whattaya want me to do about it?
     
    Stop being a hypocrite and a jackass once in a while and make a substantive point, instead of insulting anyone who disagrees. In other words, try to convince someone instead of engaging in intellectual masturbation for your own gratification.

    “BEEP BOOP HUMAN I CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOUR BLEND OF RHETORIC AND DIDETIC BEEP BOOP CIRCUITS MELTING DOWN”

    This exchange is reminding me of Eddie blowing Blaine’s circuits in Wizard and Glass with knock knock jokes.

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  240. @Twinkie

    You need an update to humor_routine.exe tho.
     
    And you need a dont_be_a_dick_routine.exe. But, then again, you are not a robot, are you? No. Just someone whose emotionally maturity was stunted at age five.

    “The jerk store called, they’re all outta you!”

    Lol okay Asian Constanza.

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    Lol
     
    I thought your emotional maturity was stuck at five. I was wrong. It's stuck at pre-teen girl twelve.

    Constanza
     
    I don't know what that is.

    Still waiting for this grand non-cuck master plan of "Mak[ing] the enemy live up to their own rules."
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  241. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    "The jerk store called, they're all outta you!"

    Lol okay Asian Constanza.

    Lol

    I thought your emotional maturity was stuck at five. I was wrong. It’s stuck at pre-teen girl twelve.

    Constanza

    I don’t know what that is.

    Still waiting for this grand non-cuck master plan of “Mak[ing] the enemy live up to their own rules.”

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    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.

    Also, because my response to your post didn't get past Steve's fainting couch, here it is again:

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.
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  242. @Twinkie

    Lol
     
    I thought your emotional maturity was stuck at five. I was wrong. It's stuck at pre-teen girl twelve.

    Constanza
     
    I don't know what that is.

    Still waiting for this grand non-cuck master plan of "Mak[ing] the enemy live up to their own rules."

    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.

    Also, because my response to your post didn’t get past Steve’s fainting couch, here it is again:

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.

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    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.
     
    “Constanza” is a common cultural trope?

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.
     
    Cop out. You don’t have a winning plan. You just like to shit on everyone else as a “cuck.” What a loser.
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  243. @Twinkie

    If you had more ‘human’ wiring and perhaps eaten less bitterness in life you might have answered with a riposte like this
     
    Frankly, I get tired of people who don’t write anything of substantive value, but write snarky comments and personal attacks. A bit of the latter is expected on the internet, but some people here write little else, so there is really no point in reading them. I might be cocky, I might be offputting, but I usually try to inform or otherwise try to arrive at practical solutions for what ails our society.

    I am not bitter. I’m probably financially better off than 99% of people here. I have a beautiful and loving family, and a very supportive local community to which I delight in giving. I am, however, worried about where the country is going (for my children and their peers) and I am also distressed at how hard things have become for people who don’t have my IQ or resources.

    It seems to me, though, there are people here who don’t care about all that, but are only upset that THEY don’t have “stuff” be it money or power. It’s a very unattractive and destructive form of sense of entitlement. Comments derived from that kind of resentment doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t even help those who make them.

    What’s the point of continually deriding me with idiotic insults and snarks (“wang lung,” “bushido master,” etc.)? Ok. So you got to put one over a cocky guy who is more successful than you in real life. Feel better? Is your life better now? Is the country better? Are you smarter or have more knowledge now?

    You talk about “human wiring”... Who is the last person you read here who urged people to invest their time and money in local charity? Making up snarks about other people and constantly trying to put them down is not being humane. It’s just small and childishly petulant.

    I’m by no means suggesting I’m perfect. I get annoyed. I get temperamental. I am too arrogant frequently. But I try to add some value here - hence your acknowledgment that my comments are informative.

    Twinkie, thanks for your reply. I like coming to iSteve for both the informative stuff from Steve and others and the frequent (moderated) humor and ‘bantz.’ If all the commenters (or Steve himself) were gloom-and-doomers or Emily Posters of impeccable propriety this place would be worthless.

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    This blog, like many places on the net, attracts all kinds of personalities. Now if your tone or content gets considerable friction from others, maybe it’s on them, maybe it’s you. Whatever. But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults. The two epithets that you took exception to above (wang lung, bushido master) were IMHO pretty mild and apropos:

    First, a perhaps overly heated 27 year old was pointing out the obvious in a racial context: e.g. “What do you mean ‘we’ Asian man?” If your ‘theory of mind’ passive radar array is working, your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power, especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement:

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.

    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost. (FWIW I’m not particularly worked up about Roseanne being cancelled—she blew it up on purpose. Other stuff like US banking cartels conspiring to dictate civilian gun policy is the kind of thing that will lead to real trouble.)

    Second, Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because you’re of Asian descent, a warrior/strategist, live by rigid codes, and you make none of that a secret. You getting miffed at “bushido master” makes for an amusing contrast to your tough-guy background.

    A while back you mentioned the late Scott Helvenston. (Maybe you knew him?) From what I saw on the TV, (I know, I know, it’s all fake) he was a mouthy sumbitch who liked to get under people’s skin. Interesting to watch, but I admit I wouldn’t want him busting my balls 24/7.

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first. It may take some practice to do it with humor, rather than pique. Also, knowing self-deprecation works too—agree and amplify as in my SERIOUS BUSINESS example. There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    Commenter Lot once summarily quit iSteve due to his own (then) wussy nature and this blog’s supposed excessive hostility towards his favorite Tribe. Since he’s been back, he’s had some good comments, some lame comments, but if I decide to (deservedly) tweak him he steps up in kind, or otherwise responds nonchalantly. That’s an improvement over the old Lot. He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    To wrap up, yes you’re a valued regular, and yeah you rub some people the wrong way for various reasons. And there’s nothing wrong with that per se; it makes for amusing drama at the very least.

    If you want to take a less masochistic path, you might want to lighten up in general, read people, and be more willing to spar using humor (this may not come easy—it helps if you can think in a surreal or absurd conceptual manner). You may find your time here more enjoyable, while still imparting your knowledge and opinions on things that matter.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you. You’re okay the way you are! You’re a grown-ass man (or leg man whatever) and don’t need anons on the ‘net telling you what to do—but I thought I’d let you know what’s on my mind, since you candidly responded to my previous comment.

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    Your reply started in a rather promising manner, but went down hill rather fast.

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me. I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white - otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog. I didn’t realize this was American Renaissance (funny enough, I actually talk to Jared Taylor, and he’s far better mannered and more interesting than the frog Nazi-wannabes on this thread).
    , @Twinkie

    But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults.
     
    Yup, that's right. Because I am self-aware, I should be excoriated while the clueless assholes have free rein. Makes sense.

    overly heated 27 year old
     
    Very generous appraisal, "overly heated." I wonder whether I'd get the same reaction if I engaged in ethnic slurs against him. Nope, the frog Nazis would be jumping over themselves to scream, "SEE! I TOLD YOU HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE. DIE CHINK!"

    your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power
     
    You are defending and rationalizing (self-destructive) paranoia with a straw man, likely because you share the paranoia. I never wrote that "propriety is more important than wielding power." More on that latter bit in a separate thread.

    especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.
     
    You sound like black people who think that only black are oppressed. I got news for you. I am a man. I am a devout Catholic. I am also an extreme conservative who voted for Trump in the last election. I am a diehard gun owner. And I am married to a white woman with white parents, sibling, cousins - with all the allegiance that entails. She and I also have half-white children (who implicitly identify as white). You think that I get a pass from the crazies on the left, because I am a "nonwhite"? Wake the F up. I am a valuable ally in a world where such allies are getting scarce. Learn to take a win when one hits you in your face, instead of letting the paranoia and a self-absorbed sense of unique victimhood isolate you and your cause.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement
     
    Oh. Gosh. You make it sound like I am quivering in my basement at the prospect of the Day of the Rope and just desperately want to prevent frog Nazis from rising up in fear of my own life.

    Self-interest? Stop being idiotic. If I were motivated by self-interest, I'd be licking the boot of the establishment and enriching myself. I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time arguing with frog Nazis about civic nationalism on a, ahem, "non-mainstream" blog.

    I have an aversion to increasing racial animosity, because I think that is objectively very bad for the country and its citizenry as a whole. Unlike some of you ignorant fools who haven't actually witnessed what a truly Balkanized society at war with itself looks like, I know how much misery and suffering a civil war inflicts. Morons who cheer for it out of misguided alienation are going to be the first ones to suffer in such a situation, because they are unprepared for the reality of it, instead of the fantasy Turner Diaries version they have in their feeble minds. A lot of whites are going to die in that scenario, and not just the ones you despise.

    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost.
     
    I'll address this in a separate comment, because it is a serious topic worthy of its own.

    Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because
     
    He didn't mean well by it. And you know it.

    From what I saw on the TV
     
    Reality TV isn't reality. Didn't I warn you not to draw conclusions from what you see on TV?

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first.
     
    Let me clue in on something. Back when I ran a team in Indian country, there was A LOT of ball-busting. During the long, boring, quiet moments, it was seemingly the only thing my team did. So what's the problem? Here is the difference. If Scott Helvenston were on my team and were busting my balls, I'd take it in good cheer and give it right back to him, because he would be my blood-brother. I would expect him to take a bullet for me, and he should rightly expect me to take a bullet for him.

    On the other hand, I don't take ball-busting from strangers on the Internet, especially from those who seem to harbor malice toward me. In real life, if you are some sort of a clueless guppy who shows up to a group of hyper-masculine and -violent guys and start busting balls, this is what follows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeL8EYtbVw0

    There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.
     
    That's bullshit backpedaling and you know it. Jack Hanson already acknowledge above that his response would be negative whatever I write. He's always going to be a juvenile asshole (not just to me, but many others, including our host). And I do get occasional LOLs from others, who harbor no malice, so good try doubling down on the humorless robot Twinkie angle.

    He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.
     
    Good grief. Grow up. Real toughening up and growth happen in the reality, not in a blog commentary box. It happens when you become a better father, when you become more charitable, when you tough it out through the 20th round of that grueling sparring session. Arguing like teenage girls on the internet is very, very low on the list of "Things that make you stronger." If I were to - one day - throw up my hands in exasperation and not comment on this blog any more, that's not some sort of weakness. It's simply me kicking my only vice/addiction in life.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you.
     
    It could be that you really mean well and are simply lecturing me about "how to be cool like me on a blog commentary thread" out of a misguided sense of (bizarro-) paternalism. Or maybe you are just salty that I gave you a "Troll" tag earlier and are bandwagoning on another asshole being a dick to me. I'll never know for sure, so I am not going to try to guess.
    , @Twinkie

    propriety is more important than simply wielding power... At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost.
     
    Have you ever read Mao Tse-Tung's "On Guerilla Warfare" and other writings of his? No? I suggest you do.

    Let me tell you why moral legitimacy is so important, especially in a struggle between the strong and the weak. Contrary to that simpleton 27 year old, it's not about "the Mandate of Heaven" (fortune cookie wisdom is not real). It's actually the mandate of the people.

    Jack Hanson claims that his strategy for victory is, "making the enemy live up to his rules." That's akin to telling an athlete that in order to beat his opponent, he should just impose his will on him. "Just be stronger." Wrong. That's just a meaningless, moronic slogan. And even rhetorically it's not close to being right.

    Mao told his cadres that if they saw peasants struggling to carry a load, they should stop and help the peasants carry the load. He told them if they saw peasants suffering famine, they should share their rations with them. Why? Because that shows the communists to be better people who care about the peasants unlike the oppressive, avaricious warlords and the KMT who capriciously and malevolently wield their power. Because those acts of moral legitimacy turn the peasants into a vast sea in which the communist cadres swim as fishes.

    We are not in a conventional war against the Establishment. We don't want to be in a conventional war where we go tit-for-tat. If we did that, we lose, because they are stronger and control most of the levers of institutional power. We are in a guerilla war. Yes, where there is an opportunity to hurt our enemy and preserve ourselves we should take the chance. But those chances are rare.

    What we have to do in order to prepare us to be in the best position to topple the Establishment head on (later) is to turn bulk of the population against them... toward us. You don't do that by matching insult-for-insult against those who have the megaphone. In a fight between two assholes, the crowd usually sides with the stronger asshole. Instead you keep yourself noble and "above reproach" as another commenter argued while creating a growing chasm between the Establishment elites and the ordinary people - not by "making our enemies live up to their rules" - by making the elites ever more capricious in the exercise of their power and ever more tyrannical and unreasonable. In short, we want more of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMVx2C5_Wg&t

    Maybe you despise Nicholas Christakis as a deplorable cuck. Maybe he deserves that, I don't know. What I can see, however, is that this video probably did far more for the cause of the Alt-Right (or whatever counter-Establishment movement name you care to apply) than any amount of Nazi larping the likes of Richard Spencer* did or rallying to the defense of ape jokes ever will.

    Openly mocking the spinelessness of "the masses" and heaping contempt on them as this Daniel Chieh character did earlier ("fuck demotism") ignores the lessons of the history of guerilla warfare and is merely a juvenile self-defeating, self-isolating foolishness. Why insult and demonize the sea when you are the fish?

    *If I were Richard Spencer, I'd be heading to WV and building homes for poor white people and serving them in soup kitchens intermixed with some publicity stunts to show that he's not in it just for personal gratification of getting fashionable haircuts, wearing a $2,000 watch, and eating fusion Asian food in Whitehead, MT. As it were, he's more interested in being the Alt-Right version of Che Guevara than actually achieving and fighting seriously for white advocacy.

    As an added bonus, this approach has not only been demonstrated to be more effective in history in enabling the weak to defeat the strong, I'm told by my priest that it - being of good morality - is also good for your soul and makes you right with your Maker.

    Finally, I keep reading that my strategy of "moral superiority" has been tried by "Cuckservatives" and failed in the past forty years. Not at all. Whenever there were excesses of the left (Carter, Clinton, Obama), they were followed by strong reactions (Reagan, W, Trump). The problem, however, was not that conservatives were then too nice or too moral. The problem was that once they had some semblance of power, the so-called conservatives wielded it to enrich themselves and their corporate patrons instead of showing genuine care of the ordinary people... all the while being personally immoral all too frequently (which I KNOW from personal acquaintances of some conservative public figures). In other words, they forgot too quickly what brought them to power and lost their (moral) discipline. If you can't control yourself, you certainly aren't going to control your enemies.
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  244. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Twinkie, thanks for your reply. I like coming to iSteve for both the informative stuff from Steve and others and the frequent (moderated) humor and ‘bantz.’ If all the commenters (or Steve himself) were gloom-and-doomers or Emily Posters of impeccable propriety this place would be worthless.

    This blog, like many places on the net, attracts all kinds of personalities. Now if your tone or content gets considerable friction from others, maybe it’s on them, maybe it’s you. Whatever. But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults. The two epithets that you took exception to above (wang lung, bushido master) were IMHO pretty mild and apropos:

    First, a perhaps overly heated 27 year old was pointing out the obvious in a racial context: e.g. “What do you mean ‘we’ Asian man?” If your ‘theory of mind’ passive radar array is working, your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power, especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement:

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost. (FWIW I’m not particularly worked up about Roseanne being cancelled—she blew it up on purpose. Other stuff like US banking cartels conspiring to dictate civilian gun policy is the kind of thing that will lead to real trouble.)

    Second, Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because you’re of Asian descent, a warrior/strategist, live by rigid codes, and you make none of that a secret. You getting miffed at “bushido master” makes for an amusing contrast to your tough-guy background.

    A while back you mentioned the late Scott Helvenston. (Maybe you knew him?) From what I saw on the TV, (I know, I know, it’s all fake) he was a mouthy sumbitch who liked to get under people’s skin. Interesting to watch, but I admit I wouldn’t want him busting my balls 24/7.

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first. It may take some practice to do it with humor, rather than pique. Also, knowing self-deprecation works too—agree and amplify as in my SERIOUS BUSINESS example. There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    Commenter Lot once summarily quit iSteve due to his own (then) wussy nature and this blog’s supposed excessive hostility towards his favorite Tribe. Since he’s been back, he’s had some good comments, some lame comments, but if I decide to (deservedly) tweak him he steps up in kind, or otherwise responds nonchalantly. That’s an improvement over the old Lot. He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    To wrap up, yes you’re a valued regular, and yeah you rub some people the wrong way for various reasons. And there’s nothing wrong with that per se; it makes for amusing drama at the very least.

    If you want to take a less masochistic path, you might want to lighten up in general, read people, and be more willing to spar using humor (this may not come easy—it helps if you can think in a surreal or absurd conceptual manner). You may find your time here more enjoyable, while still imparting your knowledge and opinions on things that matter.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you. You’re okay the way you are! You’re a grown-ass man (or leg man whatever) and don’t need anons on the ‘net telling you what to do—but I thought I’d let you know what’s on my mind, since you candidly responded to my previous comment.

    Your reply started in a rather promising manner, but went down hill rather fast.

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me. I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white – otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog. I didn’t realize this was American Renaissance (funny enough, I actually talk to Jared Taylor, and he’s far better mannered and more interesting than the frog Nazi-wannabes on this thread).

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    Sounds like you're about to quit iSteve forever. If you do just know I'm gonna tweak you about it if you take any position opposed to mine when you come back.

    Also you should probably listen to Jenner. His advice was given in good faith and pretty on the nose in all regards, including his take on me.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me.
     
    The only easy day was yesterday. You’ve spent decades mastering the art of judo, right? Use that philosophy if you feel attacked. Redirect aggressive energy and try to persuade your adversaries through nimbleness. (That’s what you were trying to do with comment #34, right? Persuade?— Or preach?) Instead you get self-righteous and have only one move: SUMO SHOVE OUT OF THE RING. Little wonder you fall on your face.

    I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white – otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.
     
    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog.
     
    Yes, that is silly. While Steve himself is a declared citizenist, he wisely has never limited the comments to lockstep groupthink and (as SJWs would call it) tone policing—IMO iSteve is moderated just right. (Jack may disagree. ;) )

    At the risk of pointing out the obvious, this blog has long attracted “frog Nazi-wannabes,” Zionist chauvinists, civic nationalists, niche culture vultures, HBD spergs, HBD Romantics, doomsayers, mirthful jokers, trolls of various levels of sincerity, and an actual Duck among others. Some commenters may fall into more than one category!!! If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.

    The iSteve comment section has been likened to different things (Lagertha: a legion of “pen-pals”). I think of it as kind of a classic American general store hangout that has a pretty liberal free-association policy but also has its share of sometimes crotchety characters who are going to test you, especially if you ain’t reading the vibe. No one gets kicked out unless they start busting up the place, but if you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.

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  245. Twinkie says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.

    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.

    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean… You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”

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    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean… You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”
     
    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren't willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years. The Qing dynasty ran into a problem with the male residents of a Chinese city being unwilling to adopt the queue as a symbol of their fealty to their new Manchurian rulers. They exterminated the residents of that city. Manchurians continued ruling for another 2-1/2 centuries. The Communists themselves executed millions both before and after they defeated the KMT.
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  246. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I couldn’t tell you; I went but I was in the restroom masturbating.
     
    I know, and you were making so much f**king noise, I was having trouble hitting a vein. Have some manners!

    Masturbation…it’s not just something you do at home anymore!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6417811/southwest-airlines-passenger-sex-act-flight/

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  247. Brutusale says:
    @Twinkie
    I don’t get into dockside brawls. It’s either good boy self-defense in public or... if I were to decide to fight for real, usually my target doesn’t even know until it’s too late. And there won’t even be a body left. No body, no crime. :)

    As most of my fights were “on the job”, there wasn’t much choice of venue, and I or one of my colleagues were the ones being Pearl Harbored. The aftermath never mattered, as the club owner also owned all the local cops.

    Though it’s been 30 years since I’ve been in a real fight, I don’t know if the will to mix it up ever really leaves a guy. I came close last year at the gym of all places. Of course it was with a black guy.

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  248. Brutusale says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Looking at the last 40 years of cuckservatism (which you are describing as your battle plan) and I see you've failed to conserve the women's restroom.

    So, in other words, your solution is to heap failure onto failure. No, thank you.

    Ah, Grasshopper, you cannot discern the unbeatable Go strategy being employed by our worthy Asian-American friend.

    You cannot leave the monastery.

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    Well better just seppuku myself now.
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  249. @Brutusale
    Ah, Grasshopper, you cannot discern the unbeatable Go strategy being employed by our worthy Asian-American friend.

    You cannot leave the monastery.

    Well better just seppuku myself now.

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  250. @Twinkie
    Your reply started in a rather promising manner, but went down hill rather fast.

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me. I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white - otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog. I didn’t realize this was American Renaissance (funny enough, I actually talk to Jared Taylor, and he’s far better mannered and more interesting than the frog Nazi-wannabes on this thread).

    Sounds like you’re about to quit iSteve forever. If you do just know I’m gonna tweak you about it if you take any position opposed to mine when you come back.

    Also you should probably listen to Jenner. His advice was given in good faith and pretty on the nose in all regards, including his take on me.

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    Sounds like you’re about to quit iSteve forever.
     
    No such luck for you. I was busy educating my kids. I have a detailed response coming soon.

    And despite you mumbling something about dancing and retreating like a little girl and not providing your supposed master plan for winning, I have an explanation for why “making enemies live up to their rules” is actually counterproductive. Stay tuned.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thank you, Jack. It’s like I’m a pro bono internet life coach ovah heah! Guess I’m just a humanist at heart.
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  251. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.

    Also, because my response to your post didn't get past Steve's fainting couch, here it is again:

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.

    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.

    “Constanza” is a common cultural trope?

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.

    Cop out. You don’t have a winning plan. You just like to shit on everyone else as a “cuck.” What a loser.

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    Your model of Asper-O 5000 has wireless, right? Connect your database to a search engine and search for "Seinfeld jerk store called". Your humor circuits may not be able to grok the skit, but Ill do you a solid and explained humor to you if you can't get it.

    As far as your second paragraphs go, frog Twitter was/is pretty effective at getting the message out, so it really is that simple: make the enemy lose by making them live up to their own standards. You don't need a terabyte sized excel file to figure it out.

    If you're human, that is.
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  252. @Twinkie

    Game theory advises that muh principles is not a sound strategy.
     
    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean... You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”

    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean… You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”

    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren’t willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years. The Qing dynasty ran into a problem with the male residents of a Chinese city being unwilling to adopt the queue as a symbol of their fealty to their new Manchurian rulers. They exterminated the residents of that city. Manchurians continued ruling for another 2-1/2 centuries. The Communists themselves executed millions both before and after they defeated the KMT.

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    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren’t willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years.
     
    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?
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  253. @Twinkie

    For someone willing to go at length about his American bona fides, you sure do like to play obtuse regarding common cultural tropes.
     
    “Constanza” is a common cultural trope?

    Nah, I’m not going to dance to your autistic tune when anyone who isn’t pretending to be human can get the gist of what I’m saying.

    If you can’t figure it out, well I guess that’s another thing you’ll never know along with how to be funny.
     
    Cop out. You don’t have a winning plan. You just like to shit on everyone else as a “cuck.” What a loser.

    Your model of Asper-O 5000 has wireless, right? Connect your database to a search engine and search for “Seinfeld jerk store called”. Your humor circuits may not be able to grok the skit, but Ill do you a solid and explained humor to you if you can’t get it.

    As far as your second paragraphs go, frog Twitter was/is pretty effective at getting the message out, so it really is that simple: make the enemy lose by making them live up to their own standards. You don’t need a terabyte sized excel file to figure it out.

    If you’re human, that is.

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  254. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Mao and Ho seemed to have disproven your misapplication of game theory.

    You know, about the fish and the ocean… You don’t get it? Try reading Mao’s “On Guerilla Warfare.”
     
    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren't willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years. The Qing dynasty ran into a problem with the male residents of a Chinese city being unwilling to adopt the queue as a symbol of their fealty to their new Manchurian rulers. They exterminated the residents of that city. Manchurians continued ruling for another 2-1/2 centuries. The Communists themselves executed millions both before and after they defeated the KMT.

    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren’t willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years.

    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?

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    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?
     
    I'm saying that the Communists won the peace, i.e. strangled counter-revolution in its crib, by conducting large-scale massacres, much like their dynastic predecessors, which carried out the root and branch extermination of the outgoing royals and their aristocratic allies.
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  255. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Sounds like you're about to quit iSteve forever. If you do just know I'm gonna tweak you about it if you take any position opposed to mine when you come back.

    Also you should probably listen to Jenner. His advice was given in good faith and pretty on the nose in all regards, including his take on me.

    Sounds like you’re about to quit iSteve forever.

    No such luck for you. I was busy educating my kids. I have a detailed response coming soon.

    And despite you mumbling something about dancing and retreating like a little girl and not providing your supposed master plan for winning, I have an explanation for why “making enemies live up to their rules” is actually counterproductive. Stay tuned.

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    Are your children considered cyborgs if you mated with a human (a la Blade Runner 2040) or did you assemble them and program their lines of code. What is love between robots?

    And I get your palpable frustration that I don't have a master battle plan like you, oh bushido master, but I can see how what you're insisting on failed to conserve the ladies restroom.

    I imagine Scott Adams, with his similar "you win by not putting yourself in a losing position" mantra drives you similarly bananas, even as its magnificent in its simplicity.
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  256. @Twinkie

    Sounds like you’re about to quit iSteve forever.
     
    No such luck for you. I was busy educating my kids. I have a detailed response coming soon.

    And despite you mumbling something about dancing and retreating like a little girl and not providing your supposed master plan for winning, I have an explanation for why “making enemies live up to their rules” is actually counterproductive. Stay tuned.

    Are your children considered cyborgs if you mated with a human (a la Blade Runner 2040) or did you assemble them and program their lines of code. What is love between robots?

    And I get your palpable frustration that I don’t have a master battle plan like you, oh bushido master, but I can see how what you’re insisting on failed to conserve the ladies restroom.

    I imagine Scott Adams, with his similar “you win by not putting yourself in a losing position” mantra drives you similarly bananas, even as its magnificent in its simplicity.

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  257. @Twinkie
    Your reply started in a rather promising manner, but went down hill rather fast.

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me. I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white - otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog. I didn’t realize this was American Renaissance (funny enough, I actually talk to Jared Taylor, and he’s far better mannered and more interesting than the frog Nazi-wannabes on this thread).

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me.

    The only easy day was yesterday. You’ve spent decades mastering the art of judo, right? Use that philosophy if you feel attacked. Redirect aggressive energy and try to persuade your adversaries through nimbleness. (That’s what you were trying to do with comment #34, right? Persuade?— Or preach?) Instead you get self-righteous and have only one move: SUMO SHOVE OUT OF THE RING. Little wonder you fall on your face.

    I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white – otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.

    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog.

    Yes, that is silly. While Steve himself is a declared citizenist, he wisely has never limited the comments to lockstep groupthink and (as SJWs would call it) tone policing—IMO iSteve is moderated just right. (Jack may disagree. ;) )

    At the risk of pointing out the obvious, this blog has long attracted “frog Nazi-wannabes,” Zionist chauvinists, civic nationalists, niche culture vultures, HBD spergs, HBD Romantics, doomsayers, mirthful jokers, trolls of various levels of sincerity, and an actual Duck among others. Some commenters may fall into more than one category!!! If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.

    The iSteve comment section has been likened to different things (Lagertha: a legion of “pen-pals”). I think of it as kind of a classic American general store hangout that has a pretty liberal free-association policy but also has its share of sometimes crotchety characters who are going to test you, especially if you ain’t reading the vibe. No one gets kicked out unless they start busting up the place, but if you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.

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    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”
     
    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or "us poor white guys are getting screwed" cries, right? You are going to ignore "what pass others get" and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that - its' called hypocrisy.

    If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.
     
    No, bud. I'd like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed. Not "Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer, you dont' belong here" comments ad nauseam and apologists like you leaping to defend that behavior while lecturing the target of that idiocy that he's isn't being cool.

    No one gets kicked out
     
    More straw man "authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn't like."

    you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.
     
    But mindless racial insults that even five year-olds don't do these days get "Agree" tags, and you high-five that guy, right? Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.
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  258. @Jack Hanson
    Sounds like you're about to quit iSteve forever. If you do just know I'm gonna tweak you about it if you take any position opposed to mine when you come back.

    Also you should probably listen to Jenner. His advice was given in good faith and pretty on the nose in all regards, including his take on me.

    Thank you, Jack. It’s like I’m a pro bono internet life coach ovah heah! Guess I’m just a humanist at heart.

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    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly. In the mean time, I avert my gaze to clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio.
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  259. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thank you, Jack. It’s like I’m a pro bono internet life coach ovah heah! Guess I’m just a humanist at heart.

    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly. In the mean time, I avert my gaze to clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio.

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    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly.
     
    Like I’ve said, I think you’re fine as you are. I look forward to your reply.

    clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio
     
    That’s the spirit! Conceptually crude for a pious dude, but hey. No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Dude, you are so bad with rhetoric you are getting shredded here, don't realise it, and your tism goggles are on so tight you refuse to consider that you may just need to put away the Hanzo Hattori steel and Just Bantz.
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  260. @Twinkie
    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly. In the mean time, I avert my gaze to clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio.

    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly.

    Like I’ve said, I think you’re fine as you are. I look forward to your reply.

    clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio

    That’s the spirit! Conceptually crude for a pious dude, but hey. No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.

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    No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.
     
    Eeek. I intimate that you and Jack Hanson are being (rhetorically) gay with your online hugs and kisses and you confirm it by publicly fantasizing about double-teaming a muscley dude. Eeeeow.
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  261. @Twinkie
    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly. In the mean time, I avert my gaze to clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio.

    Dude, you are so bad with rhetoric you are getting shredded here, don’t realise it, and your tism goggles are on so tight you refuse to consider that you may just need to put away the Hanzo Hattori steel and Just Bantz.

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    You remind me of the Black Knight in my favorite comedy, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” in the way you self-grade your performance as winning as you get your limbs chopped off.

    Here is a clue. Repeating obsessively the same words such as “autism,” “boomer,” and “cuck” is not winning. It’s just a self-unaware demonstration of a very small vocabulary and low intelligence. At least Mr. Errican tries.
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  262. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Twinkie, thanks for your reply. I like coming to iSteve for both the informative stuff from Steve and others and the frequent (moderated) humor and ‘bantz.’ If all the commenters (or Steve himself) were gloom-and-doomers or Emily Posters of impeccable propriety this place would be worthless.

    This blog, like many places on the net, attracts all kinds of personalities. Now if your tone or content gets considerable friction from others, maybe it’s on them, maybe it’s you. Whatever. But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults. The two epithets that you took exception to above (wang lung, bushido master) were IMHO pretty mild and apropos:

    First, a perhaps overly heated 27 year old was pointing out the obvious in a racial context: e.g. “What do you mean ‘we’ Asian man?” If your ‘theory of mind’ passive radar array is working, your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power, especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement:

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost. (FWIW I’m not particularly worked up about Roseanne being cancelled—she blew it up on purpose. Other stuff like US banking cartels conspiring to dictate civilian gun policy is the kind of thing that will lead to real trouble.)

    Second, Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because you’re of Asian descent, a warrior/strategist, live by rigid codes, and you make none of that a secret. You getting miffed at “bushido master” makes for an amusing contrast to your tough-guy background.

    A while back you mentioned the late Scott Helvenston. (Maybe you knew him?) From what I saw on the TV, (I know, I know, it’s all fake) he was a mouthy sumbitch who liked to get under people’s skin. Interesting to watch, but I admit I wouldn’t want him busting my balls 24/7.

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first. It may take some practice to do it with humor, rather than pique. Also, knowing self-deprecation works too—agree and amplify as in my SERIOUS BUSINESS example. There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    Commenter Lot once summarily quit iSteve due to his own (then) wussy nature and this blog’s supposed excessive hostility towards his favorite Tribe. Since he’s been back, he’s had some good comments, some lame comments, but if I decide to (deservedly) tweak him he steps up in kind, or otherwise responds nonchalantly. That’s an improvement over the old Lot. He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    To wrap up, yes you’re a valued regular, and yeah you rub some people the wrong way for various reasons. And there’s nothing wrong with that per se; it makes for amusing drama at the very least.

    If you want to take a less masochistic path, you might want to lighten up in general, read people, and be more willing to spar using humor (this may not come easy—it helps if you can think in a surreal or absurd conceptual manner). You may find your time here more enjoyable, while still imparting your knowledge and opinions on things that matter.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you. You’re okay the way you are! You’re a grown-ass man (or leg man whatever) and don’t need anons on the ‘net telling you what to do—but I thought I’d let you know what’s on my mind, since you candidly responded to my previous comment.

    But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults.

    Yup, that’s right. Because I am self-aware, I should be excoriated while the clueless assholes have free rein. Makes sense.

    overly heated 27 year old

    Very generous appraisal, “overly heated.” I wonder whether I’d get the same reaction if I engaged in ethnic slurs against him. Nope, the frog Nazis would be jumping over themselves to scream, “SEE! I TOLD YOU HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE. DIE CHINK!”

    your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power

    You are defending and rationalizing (self-destructive) paranoia with a straw man, likely because you share the paranoia. I never wrote that “propriety is more important than wielding power.” More on that latter bit in a separate thread.

    especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    You sound like black people who think that only black are oppressed. I got news for you. I am a man. I am a devout Catholic. I am also an extreme conservative who voted for Trump in the last election. I am a diehard gun owner. And I am married to a white woman with white parents, sibling, cousins – with all the allegiance that entails. She and I also have half-white children (who implicitly identify as white). You think that I get a pass from the crazies on the left, because I am a “nonwhite”? Wake the F up. I am a valuable ally in a world where such allies are getting scarce. Learn to take a win when one hits you in your face, instead of letting the paranoia and a self-absorbed sense of unique victimhood isolate you and your cause.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement

    Oh. Gosh. You make it sound like I am quivering in my basement at the prospect of the Day of the Rope and just desperately want to prevent frog Nazis from rising up in fear of my own life.

    Self-interest? Stop being idiotic. If I were motivated by self-interest, I’d be licking the boot of the establishment and enriching myself. I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time arguing with frog Nazis about civic nationalism on a, ahem, “non-mainstream” blog.

    I have an aversion to increasing racial animosity, because I think that is objectively very bad for the country and its citizenry as a whole. Unlike some of you ignorant fools who haven’t actually witnessed what a truly Balkanized society at war with itself looks like, I know how much misery and suffering a civil war inflicts. Morons who cheer for it out of misguided alienation are going to be the first ones to suffer in such a situation, because they are unprepared for the reality of it, instead of the fantasy Turner Diaries version they have in their feeble minds. A lot of whites are going to die in that scenario, and not just the ones you despise.

    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost.

    I’ll address this in a separate comment, because it is a serious topic worthy of its own.

    Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because

    He didn’t mean well by it. And you know it.

    From what I saw on the TV

    Reality TV isn’t reality. Didn’t I warn you not to draw conclusions from what you see on TV?

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first.

    Let me clue in on something. Back when I ran a team in Indian country, there was A LOT of ball-busting. During the long, boring, quiet moments, it was seemingly the only thing my team did. So what’s the problem? Here is the difference. If Scott Helvenston were on my team and were busting my balls, I’d take it in good cheer and give it right back to him, because he would be my blood-brother. I would expect him to take a bullet for me, and he should rightly expect me to take a bullet for him.

    On the other hand, I don’t take ball-busting from strangers on the Internet, especially from those who seem to harbor malice toward me. In real life, if you are some sort of a clueless guppy who shows up to a group of hyper-masculine and -violent guys and start busting balls, this is what follows:

    There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    That’s bullshit backpedaling and you know it. Jack Hanson already acknowledge above that his response would be negative whatever I write. He’s always going to be a juvenile asshole (not just to me, but many others, including our host). And I do get occasional LOLs from others, who harbor no malice, so good try doubling down on the humorless robot Twinkie angle.

    He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    Good grief. Grow up. Real toughening up and growth happen in the reality, not in a blog commentary box. It happens when you become a better father, when you become more charitable, when you tough it out through the 20th round of that grueling sparring session. Arguing like teenage girls on the internet is very, very low on the list of “Things that make you stronger.” If I were to – one day – throw up my hands in exasperation and not comment on this blog any more, that’s not some sort of weakness. It’s simply me kicking my only vice/addiction in life.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you.

    It could be that you really mean well and are simply lecturing me about “how to be cool like me on a blog commentary thread” out of a misguided sense of (bizarro-) paternalism. Or maybe you are just salty that I gave you a “Troll” tag earlier and are bandwagoning on another asshole being a dick to me. I’ll never know for sure, so I am not going to try to guess.

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    … be excoriated while the clueless assholes have free rein.
     
    “Well, shoot back!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5DcZ-rDNI

    I wonder whether I’d get the same reaction if I engaged in ethnic slurs against him.
     
    Part of commenting here (or anywhere) is speaking to the crowd. If you want to elicit a certain reaction, understand the crowd.

    … wasting my time arguing with frog Nazis about civic nationalism
     
    We all have our vices. Even masochistic ones. Like you’ve said, commenting here is your sole vice. I ain’t gonna judge. :) By the way, you sometimes come off a little ‘froggy’ yourself (#134). NTTAWWT.

    [Jack] didn’t mean well by [bushido master]. And you know it.
     
    Who cares? If it fits, it fits. And it fits.

    Reality TV isn’t reality.
     
    Such an original observation! Surely you saw my disclaimer. That’s not to say it’s all totally fake, though. I’m pretty sure Helvenston’s real personality was coming through on screen. I doubt he spent any prep time at a Method Acting studio.

    On the other hand, I don’t take ball-busting from strangers on the Internet, especially from those who seem to harbor malice toward me.
     
    They don’t know you. They’re responding to “Twinkie.”

    Jack Hanson already acknowledged above that his response would be negative whatever I write.
     
    No, he said he’d tweak you if you take the specific actions he listed.

    Real toughening up and growth happen in the reality, not in a blog commentary box.
     
    We’re talking about Lot here. Any improvement is to be commended.

    It could be that you really mean well …
     
    I do!
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  263. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As for your proscription at the end, well, that’s rather a lot of work on me.
     
    The only easy day was yesterday. You’ve spent decades mastering the art of judo, right? Use that philosophy if you feel attacked. Redirect aggressive energy and try to persuade your adversaries through nimbleness. (That’s what you were trying to do with comment #34, right? Persuade?— Or preach?) Instead you get self-righteous and have only one move: SUMO SHOVE OUT OF THE RING. Little wonder you fall on your face.

    I guess it’s just too bad for me that I am not white – otherwise I’d get a free pass to be a complete asshole here.
     
    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”

    Silly me, I thought this was a citizenist blog.
     
    Yes, that is silly. While Steve himself is a declared citizenist, he wisely has never limited the comments to lockstep groupthink and (as SJWs would call it) tone policing—IMO iSteve is moderated just right. (Jack may disagree. ;) )

    At the risk of pointing out the obvious, this blog has long attracted “frog Nazi-wannabes,” Zionist chauvinists, civic nationalists, niche culture vultures, HBD spergs, HBD Romantics, doomsayers, mirthful jokers, trolls of various levels of sincerity, and an actual Duck among others. Some commenters may fall into more than one category!!! If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.

    The iSteve comment section has been likened to different things (Lagertha: a legion of “pen-pals”). I think of it as kind of a classic American general store hangout that has a pretty liberal free-association policy but also has its share of sometimes crotchety characters who are going to test you, especially if you ain’t reading the vibe. No one gets kicked out unless they start busting up the place, but if you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.

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    http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/2017/O/tve13191-731-19861017-0.jpg

    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”

    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or “us poor white guys are getting screwed” cries, right? You are going to ignore “what pass others get” and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that – its’ called hypocrisy.

    If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.

    No, bud. I’d like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed. Not “Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer, you dont’ belong here” comments ad nauseam and apologists like you leaping to defend that behavior while lecturing the target of that idiocy that he’s isn’t being cool.

    No one gets kicked out

    More straw man “authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn’t like.”

    you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.

    But mindless racial insults that even five year-olds don’t do these days get “Agree” tags, and you high-five that guy, right? Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.

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    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or “us poor white guys are getting screwed” cries, right? You are going to ignore “what pass others get” and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that – its’ called hypocrisy.
     
    Wut? Check my comment history. You must have someone else in mind. “Whining” isn’t my style.

    No, bud. I’d like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed.
     
    There’s plenty of that here. It’s why you show up, right? There’s also less serious discussion and even silly discussion. Sometimes they all collide. You should petition Unz for a “serious discussion only” AI filter.

    Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer
     
    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.

    More straw man “authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn’t like.”
     
    I was referring to Steve’s modding threshold, not you.

    Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.
     
    Heh. Unlike running a team in Indian country or helming a fictional vice squad, you don’t wield rank here. Steve’s the MC, and even he’s dramatically failed your standards more than once. Whaddaya whaddaya.
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  264. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Twinkie, thanks for your reply. I like coming to iSteve for both the informative stuff from Steve and others and the frequent (moderated) humor and ‘bantz.’ If all the commenters (or Steve himself) were gloom-and-doomers or Emily Posters of impeccable propriety this place would be worthless.

    This blog, like many places on the net, attracts all kinds of personalities. Now if your tone or content gets considerable friction from others, maybe it’s on them, maybe it’s you. Whatever. But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults. The two epithets that you took exception to above (wang lung, bushido master) were IMHO pretty mild and apropos:

    First, a perhaps overly heated 27 year old was pointing out the obvious in a racial context: e.g. “What do you mean ‘we’ Asian man?” If your ‘theory of mind’ passive radar array is working, your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power, especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement:

    Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power.
     
    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost. (FWIW I’m not particularly worked up about Roseanne being cancelled—she blew it up on purpose. Other stuff like US banking cartels conspiring to dictate civilian gun policy is the kind of thing that will lead to real trouble.)

    Second, Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because you’re of Asian descent, a warrior/strategist, live by rigid codes, and you make none of that a secret. You getting miffed at “bushido master” makes for an amusing contrast to your tough-guy background.

    A while back you mentioned the late Scott Helvenston. (Maybe you knew him?) From what I saw on the TV, (I know, I know, it’s all fake) he was a mouthy sumbitch who liked to get under people’s skin. Interesting to watch, but I admit I wouldn’t want him busting my balls 24/7.

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first. It may take some practice to do it with humor, rather than pique. Also, knowing self-deprecation works too—agree and amplify as in my SERIOUS BUSINESS example. There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.

    Commenter Lot once summarily quit iSteve due to his own (then) wussy nature and this blog’s supposed excessive hostility towards his favorite Tribe. Since he’s been back, he’s had some good comments, some lame comments, but if I decide to (deservedly) tweak him he steps up in kind, or otherwise responds nonchalantly. That’s an improvement over the old Lot. He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.

    To wrap up, yes you’re a valued regular, and yeah you rub some people the wrong way for various reasons. And there’s nothing wrong with that per se; it makes for amusing drama at the very least.

    If you want to take a less masochistic path, you might want to lighten up in general, read people, and be more willing to spar using humor (this may not come easy—it helps if you can think in a surreal or absurd conceptual manner). You may find your time here more enjoyable, while still imparting your knowledge and opinions on things that matter.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you. You’re okay the way you are! You’re a grown-ass man (or leg man whatever) and don’t need anons on the ‘net telling you what to do—but I thought I’d let you know what’s on my mind, since you candidly responded to my previous comment.

    propriety is more important than simply wielding power… At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost.

    Have you ever read Mao Tse-Tung’s “On Guerilla Warfare” and other writings of his? No? I suggest you do.

    Let me tell you why moral legitimacy is so important, especially in a struggle between the strong and the weak. Contrary to that simpleton 27 year old, it’s not about “the Mandate of Heaven” (fortune cookie wisdom is not real). It’s actually the mandate of the people.

    Jack Hanson claims that his strategy for victory is, “making the enemy live up to his rules.” That’s akin to telling an athlete that in order to beat his opponent, he should just impose his will on him. “Just be stronger.” Wrong. That’s just a meaningless, moronic slogan. And even rhetorically it’s not close to being right.

    Mao told his cadres that if they saw peasants struggling to carry a load, they should stop and help the peasants carry the load. He told them if they saw peasants suffering famine, they should share their rations with them. Why? Because that shows the communists to be better people who care about the peasants unlike the oppressive, avaricious warlords and the KMT who capriciously and malevolently wield their power. Because those acts of moral legitimacy turn the peasants into a vast sea in which the communist cadres swim as fishes.

    We are not in a conventional war against the Establishment. We don’t want to be in a conventional war where we go tit-for-tat. If we did that, we lose, because they are stronger and control most of the levers of institutional power. We are in a guerilla war. Yes, where there is an opportunity to hurt our enemy and preserve ourselves we should take the chance. But those chances are rare.

    What we have to do in order to prepare us to be in the best position to topple the Establishment head on (later) is to turn bulk of the population against them… toward us. You don’t do that by matching insult-for-insult against those who have the megaphone. In a fight between two assholes, the crowd usually sides with the stronger asshole. Instead you keep yourself noble and “above reproach” as another commenter argued while creating a growing chasm between the Establishment elites and the ordinary people – not by “making our enemies live up to their rules” – by making the elites ever more capricious in the exercise of their power and ever more tyrannical and unreasonable. In short, we want more of this:

    Maybe you despise Nicholas Christakis as a deplorable cuck. Maybe he deserves that, I don’t know. What I can see, however, is that this video probably did far more for the cause of the Alt-Right (or whatever counter-Establishment movement name you care to apply) than any amount of Nazi larping the likes of Richard Spencer* did or rallying to the defense of ape jokes ever will.

    Openly mocking the spinelessness of “the masses” and heaping contempt on them as this Daniel Chieh character did earlier (“fuck demotism”) ignores the lessons of the history of guerilla warfare and is merely a juvenile self-defeating, self-isolating foolishness. Why insult and demonize the sea when you are the fish?

    *If I were Richard Spencer, I’d be heading to WV and building homes for poor white people and serving them in soup kitchens intermixed with some publicity stunts to show that he’s not in it just for personal gratification of getting fashionable haircuts, wearing a $2,000 watch, and eating fusion Asian food in Whitehead, MT. As it were, he’s more interested in being the Alt-Right version of Che Guevara than actually achieving and fighting seriously for white advocacy.

    As an added bonus, this approach has not only been demonstrated to be more effective in history in enabling the weak to defeat the strong, I’m told by my priest that it – being of good morality – is also good for your soul and makes you right with your Maker.

    Finally, I keep reading that my strategy of “moral superiority” has been tried by “Cuckservatives” and failed in the past forty years. Not at all. Whenever there were excesses of the left (Carter, Clinton, Obama), they were followed by strong reactions (Reagan, W, Trump). The problem, however, was not that conservatives were then too nice or too moral. The problem was that once they had some semblance of power, the so-called conservatives wielded it to enrich themselves and their corporate patrons instead of showing genuine care of the ordinary people… all the while being personally immoral all too frequently (which I KNOW from personal acquaintances of some conservative public figures). In other words, they forgot too quickly what brought them to power and lost their (moral) discipline. If you can’t control yourself, you certainly aren’t going to control your enemies.

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  265. Twinkie says:
    @3g4me
    @23 Twinkie: "Are we better than our enemies or just the same? If former, we have the moral legitimacy to win. We deserve to win. If latter, it’s all just about who wields power."

    This, after I wrote I disagreed with you but respected your views? Why'd ya have ta go all 'TruCon' virtue signalling, Twinkie? Morality may represent the ultimate "win" (i.e. we Christians know Jesus triumphs in end times), but its record here among fatally-flawed humans ain't so hot. Those who prattle about morality in politics have, most recently, fielded Egg McMuffin for president (where morality = neocon zionism) and racially diversifying Whites out of existence (David French and fellow churchians parading around their very own Negro adoptees).

    Commie or not, Mao was not wrong when he said political power comes from a gun barrel. Ethno-nationalist Whites are jailed in the UK and the US (see: Charlottesville) and Whites who dare to utter angry words to numinous Negroes/mellifluous mulattoes/omniscient orientals/salubrious subcontinentals) are jailed for the crime of hurting feelings. Of course it's about "who wields power." It's always been a question of who/whom. I'd prefer White Europeans be the 'who,' at very least in their historic native lands. Morality doesn't particularly enter into racial reality and real-world tribalism (which all varieties of Asians/Orientals possess in spades, as well, if you're being honest here).

    "We deserve to win" depends heavily on how one defines "we" and whether or not one equates "deserves" with some esoteric notion of morality or with what best conforms to realism. In regard to politics, I much prefer the latter. That's what TruCons used to claim they represented. Now, they've switched to backing 'morality' as personified by color-blind equalitarianism, and the Hard Right supports reality. I know which side I'm on, and which has better odds in a fallen world of very broken people - which cannot and WILL not be 'fixed' by political morality or any other human endeavour.

    Commie or not, Mao was not wrong when he said political power comes from a gun barrel.

    It’s clear you actually haven’t read Mao. Read my extended commentary on superior morality here: http://www.unz.com/isteve/starbucks-struggle-session/#comment-2353854

    I genuinely hope you read that, because I’d appreciate your feedback.

    tribalism… all varieties of Asians/Orientals possess in spades, as well, if you’re being honest here

    Well, if we’re being honest and accurate here, race is not a tribe. It’s much too expansive for that. Asian’s don’t have “pan-Asianism” or pan-Orientalism… any more than pan-white-ism is realistic. What tribalism you describe among Asians, e.g. “I am Japanese-American – yay, Japanese culture!” is similar to German-Americans or Irish-American touting their micro-ethnic cultural heritage and “uniqueness.”

    I don’t want to go on and on and lecture you, because you have been very cordial, which I appreciate greatly (in great contrast to the “Hey wang lung” crowd here). I’ll just leave this for your consideration: tribalism is originally and in its core, based on shared descent, NOT genetic similarity. What do I mean by this? Isn’t genetic similarity based on common descent?

    I’ll give you a quick example. My children are, obviously, my white father-in-law’s grandchildren. He and they share common descent. They belong to his tribe. But genetically my father-in-law is probably closer to his white neighbors than he is to his grandchildren who are my children. Human nature dictates that forced into the choice between his white neighbors and his half-white grandkids, he will support the latter… because common descent is more primeval and concrete than an abstract sense of genetic similarity.

    And of course, the trappings of a tribe, once established, go beyond common descent into shared experiences (hardship, victory, etc.) and purpose (e.g. being allies against a common foe). It’s for the same reason that if a would-be-pan-white-ist were to tell my (mostly white) friends and kin by marriage that they can have a real dandy life if they would please just handover this quarrelsome Oriental, he is likely going to meet a hail of bullets.

    There are – in this country – a lot of whites with relatives and friends who are non- or only part-white. Likely more than real deal “white nationalists.” It’s going to be a tough sell to the former that they should forsake their tribe in the name of some grand -ism. In other words, the war for a white ethno-state is going to be a white people civil war and is going to result in A LOT of white deaths, not exactly something for which white advocates should be pining. And that’s just ONE of the many reasons why white nationalism is a loser.

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  266. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’ll give a real reply to your sermon about how I should behave shortly.
     
    Like I’ve said, I think you’re fine as you are. I look forward to your reply.

    clueless 1 and clueless 2 engaging in rhetorical mutual fellatio
     
    That’s the spirit! Conceptually crude for a pious dude, but hey. No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.

    No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.

    Eeek. I intimate that you and Jack Hanson are being (rhetorically) gay with your online hugs and kisses and you confirm it by publicly fantasizing about double-teaming a muscley dude. Eeeeow.

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    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less! Hahahaha. Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.

    :)
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  267. NOTA says:
    @Lot
    Roseanne was the highest rated scripted show on American television:

    "Either way, Roseanne is the highest-rated and most-watched series of the broadcast season, eclipsing NBC's This Is Us and CBS' Big Bang Theory — which had been in a heated battle for top status."

    Not only that, it disproportionately attracted younger viewers, pushing it ahead as more valuable than NBC's "the Voice" which had higher ratings overall.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-roseanne-finale-dips-but-dominates-abc-1114311

    I thought it was great TV.

    If Rosanne is a highly profitable show, why doesn’t someone else (say, Fox) pick it up?

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    Just a WAG, but besides Fox being scared of bad publicity, maybe contracts prohibit it. Depends on who "owns" the show.
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  268. @Twinkie

    No shame in your needing a rest after being the base of our rhetorical Eiffel Tower.
     
    Eeek. I intimate that you and Jack Hanson are being (rhetorically) gay with your online hugs and kisses and you confirm it by publicly fantasizing about double-teaming a muscley dude. Eeeeow.

    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less! Hahahaha. Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.

    :)

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    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less!
     
    Is everything homosexuality with you? Twinkie means "yellow on the outside, white on the inside."

    Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.
     
    No, I did NOT enjoy spanking both of you for your childish behaviors. But, are YOU doubling down on YOUR fantasy?
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  269. @Twinkie

    But if you’re aware of your own “arrogance,” expect insults.
     
    Yup, that's right. Because I am self-aware, I should be excoriated while the clueless assholes have free rein. Makes sense.

    overly heated 27 year old
     
    Very generous appraisal, "overly heated." I wonder whether I'd get the same reaction if I engaged in ethnic slurs against him. Nope, the frog Nazis would be jumping over themselves to scream, "SEE! I TOLD YOU HE HATES WHITE PEOPLE. DIE CHINK!"

    your should expect that right wing whites are gonna be suspicious and annoyed at a non-white telling a (mostly) white commentariat that propriety is more important than simply wielding power
     
    You are defending and rationalizing (self-destructive) paranoia with a straw man, likely because you share the paranoia. I never wrote that "propriety is more important than wielding power." More on that latter bit in a separate thread.

    especially when mainstream whites are under political and demographic threat in their own country.
     
    You sound like black people who think that only black are oppressed. I got news for you. I am a man. I am a devout Catholic. I am also an extreme conservative who voted for Trump in the last election. I am a diehard gun owner. And I am married to a white woman with white parents, sibling, cousins - with all the allegiance that entails. She and I also have half-white children (who implicitly identify as white). You think that I get a pass from the crazies on the left, because I am a "nonwhite"? Wake the F up. I am a valuable ally in a world where such allies are getting scarce. Learn to take a win when one hits you in your face, instead of letting the paranoia and a self-absorbed sense of unique victimhood isolate you and your cause.

    “27 year old” homed in on likely perceived self interest borne of (understandable) aversion on your part to increased all-around racial animosity in the US, and he bluntly pointed out a perceived conflict of interest and compromised ‘counsel’ flowing from your statement
     
    Oh. Gosh. You make it sound like I am quivering in my basement at the prospect of the Day of the Rope and just desperately want to prevent frog Nazis from rising up in fear of my own life.

    Self-interest? Stop being idiotic. If I were motivated by self-interest, I'd be licking the boot of the establishment and enriching myself. I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time arguing with frog Nazis about civic nationalism on a, ahem, "non-mainstream" blog.

    I have an aversion to increasing racial animosity, because I think that is objectively very bad for the country and its citizenry as a whole. Unlike some of you ignorant fools who haven't actually witnessed what a truly Balkanized society at war with itself looks like, I know how much misery and suffering a civil war inflicts. Morons who cheer for it out of misguided alienation are going to be the first ones to suffer in such a situation, because they are unprepared for the reality of it, instead of the fantasy Turner Diaries version they have in their feeble minds. A lot of whites are going to die in that scenario, and not just the ones you despise.

    At the very least, you have a major blind spot if you’re seeing the larger fight in terms of decorous “moral legitimacy” rather than tribal/political power first and foremost.
     
    I'll address this in a separate comment, because it is a serious topic worthy of its own.

    Jack Hanson’s “bushido master” crack was perfect because
     
    He didn't mean well by it. And you know it.

    From what I saw on the TV
     
    Reality TV isn't reality. Didn't I warn you not to draw conclusions from what you see on TV?

    Now say he’s on your team and likes to joke around and verbally fuck with you. What are you gonna do? Complain? Kick him in the face? Or use your wits and bust his balls right back, with a grin on your face? My advice is try the last one first.
     
    Let me clue in on something. Back when I ran a team in Indian country, there was A LOT of ball-busting. During the long, boring, quiet moments, it was seemingly the only thing my team did. So what's the problem? Here is the difference. If Scott Helvenston were on my team and were busting my balls, I'd take it in good cheer and give it right back to him, because he would be my blood-brother. I would expect him to take a bullet for me, and he should rightly expect me to take a bullet for him.

    On the other hand, I don't take ball-busting from strangers on the Internet, especially from those who seem to harbor malice toward me. In real life, if you are some sort of a clueless guppy who shows up to a group of hyper-masculine and -violent guys and start busting balls, this is what follows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeL8EYtbVw0

    There’s a good chance Jack or someone else would have left a non-sarcastic LOL.
     
    That's bullshit backpedaling and you know it. Jack Hanson already acknowledge above that his response would be negative whatever I write. He's always going to be a juvenile asshole (not just to me, but many others, including our host). And I do get occasional LOLs from others, who harbor no malice, so good try doubling down on the humorless robot Twinkie angle.

    He left, toughened up, and came back with a breezier attitude. That’s growth.
     
    Good grief. Grow up. Real toughening up and growth happen in the reality, not in a blog commentary box. It happens when you become a better father, when you become more charitable, when you tough it out through the 20th round of that grueling sparring session. Arguing like teenage girls on the internet is very, very low on the list of "Things that make you stronger." If I were to - one day - throw up my hands in exasperation and not comment on this blog any more, that's not some sort of weakness. It's simply me kicking my only vice/addiction in life.

    But hey, I’m not here to patronize or change you.
     
    It could be that you really mean well and are simply lecturing me about "how to be cool like me on a blog commentary thread" out of a misguided sense of (bizarro-) paternalism. Or maybe you are just salty that I gave you a "Troll" tag earlier and are bandwagoning on another asshole being a dick to me. I'll never know for sure, so I am not going to try to guess.

    … be excoriated while the clueless assholes have free rein.

    “Well, shoot back!”

    I wonder whether I’d get the same reaction if I engaged in ethnic slurs against him.

    Part of commenting here (or anywhere) is speaking to the crowd. If you want to elicit a certain reaction, understand the crowd.

    … wasting my time arguing with frog Nazis about civic nationalism

    We all have our vices. Even masochistic ones. Like you’ve said, commenting here is your sole vice. I ain’t gonna judge. :) By the way, you sometimes come off a little ‘froggy’ yourself (#134). NTTAWWT.

    [Jack] didn’t mean well by [bushido master]. And you know it.

    Who cares? If it fits, it fits. And it fits.

    Reality TV isn’t reality.

    Such an original observation! Surely you saw my disclaimer. That’s not to say it’s all totally fake, though. I’m pretty sure Helvenston’s real personality was coming through on screen. I doubt he spent any prep time at a Method Acting studio.

    On the other hand, I don’t take ball-busting from strangers on the Internet, especially from those who seem to harbor malice toward me.

    They don’t know you. They’re responding to “Twinkie.”

    Jack Hanson already acknowledged above that his response would be negative whatever I write.

    No, he said he’d tweak you if you take the specific actions he listed.

    Real toughening up and growth happen in the reality, not in a blog commentary box.

    We’re talking about Lot here. Any improvement is to be commended.

    It could be that you really mean well …

    I do!

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  270. @Twinkie

    Forget about what “pass” others “get.” This board is wide open. Forge your own pass. Don’t be like that SNL whiner you mocked upthread—“You guys are so mean! Where is my pass?”
     
    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or "us poor white guys are getting screwed" cries, right? You are going to ignore "what pass others get" and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that - its' called hypocrisy.

    If you want only one or two flavors of discussion, too bad.
     
    No, bud. I'd like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed. Not "Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer, you dont' belong here" comments ad nauseam and apologists like you leaping to defend that behavior while lecturing the target of that idiocy that he's isn't being cool.

    No one gets kicked out
     
    More straw man "authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn't like."

    you show up staring everyone down like Lieutenant Castillo, you’re gonna get words.
     
    But mindless racial insults that even five year-olds don't do these days get "Agree" tags, and you high-five that guy, right? Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.

    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or “us poor white guys are getting screwed” cries, right? You are going to ignore “what pass others get” and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that – its’ called hypocrisy.

    Wut? Check my comment history. You must have someone else in mind. “Whining” isn’t my style.

    No, bud. I’d like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed.

    There’s plenty of that here. It’s why you show up, right? There’s also less serious discussion and even silly discussion. Sometimes they all collide. You should petition Unz for a “serious discussion only” AI filter.

    Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer

    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.

    More straw man “authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn’t like.”

    I was referring to Steve’s modding threshold, not you.

    Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.

    Heh. Unlike running a team in Indian country or helming a fictional vice squad, you don’t wield rank here. Steve’s the MC, and even he’s dramatically failed your standards more than once. Whaddaya whaddaya.

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    I've offended Steve's boomer sensibilities as I've got about five pretty mild comments stuck in Komment Kontrol rn.

    Also holy 888888888 look at how much words he pounded out. You must be directly over the target.
    , @Twinkie

    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.
     
    If you think that's funny, you haven't grown up yet.

    you don’t wield rank here.
     
    I know - apparently your rhetorical lover does: http://www.unz.com/isteve/starbucks-struggle-session/#comment-2357354

    Steve, get off your fainting couch and post my comments.
     
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  271. @NOTA
    If Rosanne is a highly profitable show, why doesn't someone else (say, Fox) pick it up?

    Just a WAG, but besides Fox being scared of bad publicity, maybe contracts prohibit it. Depends on who “owns” the show.

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  272. @Twinkie

    Mao and Ho won because their opponents weren’t willing or able to resort to traditional methods of pacification that have worked for literally thousands of years.
     
    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?

    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?

    I’m saying that the Communists won the peace, i.e. strangled counter-revolution in its crib, by conducting large-scale massacres, much like their dynastic predecessors, which carried out the root and branch extermination of the outgoing royals and their aristocratic allies.

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    Yes. Don’t get me wrong. I wasn’t suggesting they were angels. But the commies did all that AFTER they won over the peasantry and won the war. And they won over the peasants because they were far less corrupt and more morally disciplined than the warlords and KMT goons. And I write that as someone who wishes that the KMT reformed itself and won the war.
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  273. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or “us poor white guys are getting screwed” cries, right? You are going to ignore “what pass others get” and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that – its’ called hypocrisy.
     
    Wut? Check my comment history. You must have someone else in mind. “Whining” isn’t my style.

    No, bud. I’d like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed.
     
    There’s plenty of that here. It’s why you show up, right? There’s also less serious discussion and even silly discussion. Sometimes they all collide. You should petition Unz for a “serious discussion only” AI filter.

    Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer
     
    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.

    More straw man “authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn’t like.”
     
    I was referring to Steve’s modding threshold, not you.

    Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.
     
    Heh. Unlike running a team in Indian country or helming a fictional vice squad, you don’t wield rank here. Steve’s the MC, and even he’s dramatically failed your standards more than once. Whaddaya whaddaya.

    I’ve offended Steve’s boomer sensibilities as I’ve got about five pretty mild comments stuck in Komment Kontrol rn.

    Also holy 888888888 look at how much words he pounded out. You must be directly over the target.

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    Where is your grand plan for winning? Or are you still mumbling like a little girl and running?
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  274. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    You don’t think the KMT wasn’t ruthless enough against the communists?
     
    I'm saying that the Communists won the peace, i.e. strangled counter-revolution in its crib, by conducting large-scale massacres, much like their dynastic predecessors, which carried out the root and branch extermination of the outgoing royals and their aristocratic allies.

    Yes. Don’t get me wrong. I wasn’t suggesting they were angels. But the commies did all that AFTER they won over the peasantry and won the war. And they won over the peasants because they were far less corrupt and more morally disciplined than the warlords and KMT goons. And I write that as someone who wishes that the KMT reformed itself and won the war.

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  275. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I've offended Steve's boomer sensibilities as I've got about five pretty mild comments stuck in Komment Kontrol rn.

    Also holy 888888888 look at how much words he pounded out. You must be directly over the target.

    Where is your grand plan for winning? Or are you still mumbling like a little girl and running?

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    My grand plan for winning is to not lose, Asper-O. Please post your 100k word treatise on how you plan to win, even tho you will surely lose.
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  276. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Dude, you are so bad with rhetoric you are getting shredded here, don't realise it, and your tism goggles are on so tight you refuse to consider that you may just need to put away the Hanzo Hattori steel and Just Bantz.

    You remind me of the Black Knight in my favorite comedy, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” in the way you self-grade your performance as winning as you get your limbs chopped off.

    Here is a clue. Repeating obsessively the same words such as “autism,” “boomer,” and “cuck” is not winning. It’s just a self-unaware demonstration of a very small vocabulary and low intelligence. At least Mr. Errican tries.

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    Jack rules!
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  277. @Twinkie
    Where is your grand plan for winning? Or are you still mumbling like a little girl and running?

    My grand plan for winning is to not lose, Asper-O. Please post your 100k word treatise on how you plan to win, even tho you will surely lose.

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    My grand plan for winning is to not lose, Asper-O.
     
    Again, that's 1) just a slogan and 2) even rhetorically it's wrong. Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Boxing, Judo, Karate, wrestling, whatever? You play "not to lose," you DO lose. You have to play to win.

    Since you can't be bothered to read my co-option of Mao's guerilla warfare concepts in detail, let me summarize it and make it comprehensible for your low IQ: Don't try to out-dick the assholes - then it's just two groups of assholes fighting and the assholes with more resources win. Instead, make the assholes so unlikable that the bulk of the population (the sea) becomes rebellious to them and succors you (the fish). Be the cadre that carries the load for the peasant.
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  278. anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    You remind me of the Black Knight in my favorite comedy, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” in the way you self-grade your performance as winning as you get your limbs chopped off.

    Here is a clue. Repeating obsessively the same words such as “autism,” “boomer,” and “cuck” is not winning. It’s just a self-unaware demonstration of a very small vocabulary and low intelligence. At least Mr. Errican tries.

    Jack rules!

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  279. Steve, get off your fainting couch and post my comments.

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  280. Twinkie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    My grand plan for winning is to not lose, Asper-O. Please post your 100k word treatise on how you plan to win, even tho you will surely lose.

    My grand plan for winning is to not lose, Asper-O.

    Again, that’s 1) just a slogan and 2) even rhetorically it’s wrong. Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Boxing, Judo, Karate, wrestling, whatever? You play “not to lose,” you DO lose. You have to play to win.

    Since you can’t be bothered to read my co-option of Mao’s guerilla warfare concepts in detail, let me summarize it and make it comprehensible for your low IQ: Don’t try to out-dick the assholes – then it’s just two groups of assholes fighting and the assholes with more resources win. Instead, make the assholes so unlikable that the bulk of the population (the sea) becomes rebellious to them and succors you (the fish). Be the cadre that carries the load for the peasant.

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  281. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Are you going to follow your own advice? So no more whining about Jews or affirmative action or “us poor white guys are getting screwed” cries, right? You are going to ignore “what pass others get” and just going to forge your own pass, right?

    There is word for that – its’ called hypocrisy.
     
    Wut? Check my comment history. You must have someone else in mind. “Whining” isn’t my style.

    No, bud. I’d like a discussion, you know, where actual substantive points are discussed.
     
    There’s plenty of that here. It’s why you show up, right? There’s also less serious discussion and even silly discussion. Sometimes they all collide. You should petition Unz for a “serious discussion only” AI filter.

    Lookie here, ching chong, cuck boomer
     
    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.

    More straw man “authoritarian Twinkie wants to ban people he doesn’t like.”
     
    I was referring to Steve’s modding threshold, not you.

    Well, somebody has to be the adult and give chilly stares and rhetorical spankings to misbehaving adolescents.
     
    Heh. Unlike running a team in Indian country or helming a fictional vice squad, you don’t wield rank here. Steve’s the MC, and even he’s dramatically failed your standards more than once. Whaddaya whaddaya.

    That would be a hilarious handle. Certainly proof that you are funny if you want to be.

    If you think that’s funny, you haven’t grown up yet.

    you don’t wield rank here.

    I know – apparently your rhetorical lover does: http://www.unz.com/isteve/starbucks-struggle-session/#comment-2357354

    Steve, get off your fainting couch and post my comments.

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  282. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less! Hahahaha. Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.

    :)

    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less!

    Is everything homosexuality with you? Twinkie means “yellow on the outside, white on the inside.”

    Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.

    No, I did NOT enjoy spanking both of you for your childish behaviors. But, are YOU doubling down on YOUR fantasy?

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    Twinkie,

    Sorry to burst into your conversation, but I was talking to someone on another thread about accent retention, effectiveness of efforts to alter accent, etc. You moved to the US either as an adult or in your late teens, right? Do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?

    Apologies again, but it really doesn't seem like the conversation I'm interrupting is going anywhere.
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  283. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    A muscly dude named “Twinkie” no less!
     
    Is everything homosexuality with you? Twinkie means "yellow on the outside, white on the inside."

    Don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed it, you dirty (rhetorical) ho.
     
    No, I did NOT enjoy spanking both of you for your childish behaviors. But, are YOU doubling down on YOUR fantasy?

    Twinkie,

    Sorry to burst into your conversation, but I was talking to someone on another thread about accent retention, effectiveness of efforts to alter accent, etc. You moved to the US either as an adult or in your late teens, right? Do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?

    Apologies again, but it really doesn’t seem like the conversation I’m interrupting is going anywhere.

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    Apologies again, but it really doesn’t seem like the conversation I’m interrupting is going anywhere.
     
    No need for apologies for interrupting a moronic conversation! If anything, I should thank you.

    You moved to the US either as an adult or in your late teens, right? Do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?
     
    I was in middle school. But my personal experience on this front is unusual. I seem to be gifted linguistically (99 percentile in verbal in both SAT and GRE) and I majored in humanities (history) in college despite graduating from Stuyvesant, a math and science school. I pick up languages very fast - especially pronunciation and vocabulary. Whenever I speak languages I learned late in life, people say that my accent is nearly perfect - it's just that I sound like a child due to my simple grammar. I also have a very good ear and can distinguish minor sound differences well. Of course, none of this is my own doing - I was gifted this ability by God (or genetics). My parents were both multi-lingual (my father lived in dozens of countries due to his work and spoke several languages well) and all four of my grandparents were bilingual (one of them even studied law in a non-native language).

    So, my view on this particular ability is that natural, God-given talent (or genetics) trumps effort, by and large. For example, if you don't have a "good ear" and can't hear the differences, you can't replicate them. My wife is stridently monolingual, and she cannot tell the difference between the Spanish rolling R and a similar (but slightly different) sound in an East Asian language. She just doesn't have the knack for sounds (she's also terrible at singing for the same reason). She did better in quant than verbal in standardized tests and has a doctorate in a STEM field. Interestingly, though she does poorly in verbal, she's very good at Scrabble and the Wheel of Fortune.

    Also, for a large majority of people, I think the ability to replicate accents starts to fade in the mid-teen years.

    Having state all this, you can do a pretty good - if not perfect - job of replicating accents if you practice enough. You have to practice in front of a mirror a lot and you also have to record yourself, play back, and figure out what you are doing well and what mistakes you are making. You have to practice making individual sounds A LOT by making correct movements of your tongue and mouth. Yes, you have to "grind" it unless you are very talented at it. Total immersion helps a great deal, of course.
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  284. Twinkie says:
    @Anon
    Twinkie,

    Sorry to burst into your conversation, but I was talking to someone on another thread about accent retention, effectiveness of efforts to alter accent, etc. You moved to the US either as an adult or in your late teens, right? Do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?

    Apologies again, but it really doesn't seem like the conversation I'm interrupting is going anywhere.

    Apologies again, but it really doesn’t seem like the conversation I’m interrupting is going anywhere.

    No need for apologies for interrupting a moronic conversation! If anything, I should thank you.

    You moved to the US either as an adult or in your late teens, right? Do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?

    I was in middle school. But my personal experience on this front is unusual. I seem to be gifted linguistically (99 percentile in verbal in both SAT and GRE) and I majored in humanities (history) in college despite graduating from Stuyvesant, a math and science school. I pick up languages very fast – especially pronunciation and vocabulary. Whenever I speak languages I learned late in life, people say that my accent is nearly perfect – it’s just that I sound like a child due to my simple grammar. I also have a very good ear and can distinguish minor sound differences well. Of course, none of this is my own doing – I was gifted this ability by God (or genetics). My parents were both multi-lingual (my father lived in dozens of countries due to his work and spoke several languages well) and all four of my grandparents were bilingual (one of them even studied law in a non-native language).

    So, my view on this particular ability is that natural, God-given talent (or genetics) trumps effort, by and large. For example, if you don’t have a “good ear” and can’t hear the differences, you can’t replicate them. My wife is stridently monolingual, and she cannot tell the difference between the Spanish rolling R and a similar (but slightly different) sound in an East Asian language. She just doesn’t have the knack for sounds (she’s also terrible at singing for the same reason). She did better in quant than verbal in standardized tests and has a doctorate in a STEM field. Interestingly, though she does poorly in verbal, she’s very good at Scrabble and the Wheel of Fortune.

    Also, for a large majority of people, I think the ability to replicate accents starts to fade in the mid-teen years.

    Having state all this, you can do a pretty good – if not perfect – job of replicating accents if you practice enough. You have to practice in front of a mirror a lot and you also have to record yourself, play back, and figure out what you are doing well and what mistakes you are making. You have to practice making individual sounds A LOT by making correct movements of your tongue and mouth. Yes, you have to “grind” it unless you are very talented at it. Total immersion helps a great deal, of course.

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