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Update: Now there is video of the aftermath.

From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Bosnian community in St. Louis outraged over fatal hammer attack in Bevo Mill neighborhood

10 hours ago • By Joel Currier

Murdered man and his widow

Bevo area residents express frustration with violence against Bosnians after a man was attacked overnight by teens with hammers.

ST. LOUIS • St. Louis Bosnians outraged about a deadly hammer attack in the city’s Bevo Mill neighborhood spilled into the streets Sunday night to voice frustrations over violence touching their community.

“We’re just angry because we’re trying to protect our community,” said Mirza Nukic, 29, of St. Louis. “We’re just trying to be peaceful.”

Nukic was among at least 50 people, mostly, if not all Bosnians, who briefly blocked Gravois Avenue at Itaska Street on Sunday night to protest the killing. The intersection was near where Zemir Begic, a Bosnian man who moved to St. Louis this year, was attacked by at least three teens with hammers early Sunday.

Bosnian whites are allowed to protest racist hate crimes as Bosnians, but not as whites.

The 32-year-old victim of mob violence had lived in the United States for the majority of his life, but the important thing is he’s Bosnian, not white. Please, nobody mention the W-word.

Police said Begic was in his vehicle about 1:15 a.m. in the 4200 block of Itaska when several juveniles approached and began damaging his car. Police said Begic got out to confront the juveniles, who began yelling at him and hitting him with hammers.

Begic, 32, who lived in the 4200 block of Miami Street, suffered injuries to his head, abdomen, face and mouth. He died at St. Louis University Hospital.

Some of the demonstrators recalled other recent Bosnian victims of violence, including Haris Gogic, 19, who was fatally shot in May 2013 by a robber in his family’s Bevo Mill convenience store.

St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity.

“There is no indication that the gentleman last night was targeted because he was Bosnian,” Dotson said. “There’s no indication that they knew each other.”

Okay, if he wasn’t targeted for being Bosnian (the victim is a pretty average looking white guy, after all), and if the teens with hammers didn’t know him, then … is there something missing from this story? Did he bump them with his car or something? Otherwise, it sure sounds like an anti-white hate crime, probably payback for Michael Brown, right?

Dotson said police have two male juveniles, ages 15 and 16, in custody. Police know the nickname of a third suspect and believe a fourth was involved. …

Suad Nuranjkovic, 49, who attended Sunday night’s protest, said he and Begic were heading home from a bar on Gravois Avenue. Begic was driving and Nuranjkovic was in the passenger seat when a group of at least five teens started banging on the car. Nuranjkovic said he got out of the car and hid in a parking lot across the street during the attack.

“I was afraid that if one of them had a gun, they were going to shoot me, so I didn’t know what to do,” he said.

Nuranjkovic said the attack has made him fearful to live in his own neighborhood.

“The picture is in my head, what I saw,” he said. “I don’t know why this is happening to Bosnians. We could go around and shoot people, too, but we just want peace.”

Seldin Dzananovic, 24, said the teens with the hammers approached him farther north on Gravois about an hour before the attack on Begic. He said he was able to fight them off, suffering only cuts to his hands and neck.

So, this was a roving mob late on a Saturday night attacking white people with hammers over the course of an hour or so?

She said she knows some Bosnians are upset over her brother’s death because they believe the suspects, who are black and Hispanic, targeted Begic because he was Bosnian. She said she wants people to know her brother would not have judged them because of their race; he had friends of many racial and ethnic backgrounds.

This seems to be a thing lately: when white people get murdered by nonwhites, their loved ones feel compelled to immediately make clear that the poor dead bastard wasn’t racist. You saw it a lot with the relatives of the victims of Omar Thornton’s racist rampage in 2010.

So, it’s a pretty mysterious story in St. Louis. But the London Daily Mail has more:

Police said Begic was not targeted for being Bosnian and did not say if there was a connection to unrest after Ferguson grand jury decision

The suspects are described as being a group of Hispanic and black males by the St Louis Post-Dispatch but Police Chief Sam Dotson stated the attack was not racially or ethnically motivated.

It’s not as if powerful and prestigious institutions have been telling minority teens in the St. Louis area for the last week that they are the victims of white people.

Oh, wait, they have …

By the way, here’s a post-Omar Thornton 2011 news story that never made a ripple. A black truck driver, Shareef Allman, complaining about discrimination and racism on the job, shot nine coworkers, killing three of them. The three dead guys were Mexicans, so at least their relatives seem to have been spared having to explain to the press that their loved ones weren’t racist and thus didn’t have it coming.

This happened in Cupertino, CA, so that’s completely off the beaten track. No reporter ever goes to Cupertino, so that’s why you’ve never heard about this story.

 
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  1. Some of the demonstrators recalled other recent Bosnian victims of violence, including Haris Gogic, 19, who was fatally shot in May 2013 by a robber in his family’s Bevo Mill convenience store.

    At this link, you can find a foto of Joseph Fox, the guy arrested and charged in the robbery/death of Haris Gogic.

    Given the descriptions of the suspects in this latest killing, one can immediately see one reason why people might ‘recall’ the earlier murder.

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  2. Muslims are not white.

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  3. several juveniles approached and began damaging his car. [...] Begic got out to confront the juveniles, who began yelling at him and hitting him with hammers. [...] Bosnians are upset…because they believe the suspects, who are black and Hispanic, targeted Begic because he was Bosnian.

    This is pretty preposterous, fair enough. But the Bosnians know that the press won’t give favorable coverage to a White man killed by juveniles. The story would be forgotten soon. If they get anybody to believe the “anti-Bosnian” line, the memory of their friend can live on a bit longer.

    A number of websites track anti-White race attacks and killings in the USA (here is one). I can think of no such incident that has ever gotten any real play the the prestige media.

    How many Americans have heard of the “Zebra” (Black-on-White) racial murder spree? The total number of victims is said to have totaled 71. Seventy-one dead Whites in one city over two years, killed because of their race. Nobody remembers.

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    Clearly this is iSteve reader red meat. Perhaps Oprah will make a movie about these attacks. Wait, whites were targeted and attacked by blacks, nevermind.

    The “War on 300 LB Black Babies’ Bodies” is being fought. Beware the non-racist, racist white police officers executing the innocent. That is the real story. “Dog bites man” does not inflame people to the polls. Riots are a tool of social justice. Blacks are being plundered by YT. Racism is why black families do not read to their children… Etc…

  5. “Police Chief Sam Dotson stated the attack was not racially or ethnically motivated”: how could he possibly know? Only God can be sure, and God doesn’t exist.

  6. Begic is presumably Muslim as well. In other circumstances “Muslim killed by American teens” would be guaranteed to get the MSM in a tizzy. John Stewart has nothing to say about this?

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    Note to Bosnians in St. Louis: You will not get any sympathy for the larger community, especially the media. Don’t attempt to organize to defend yourselves or the Feds will come down on you hard and federal indictments and long prison sentences will follow. Sucks that your victimizers are not some white European traditional Christians in a Christian land. Bosnians, meet your new neighbors, the NAMs. They will make the Serbs and Milosevic look like Mr. Rogers.

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    I’m sure both parties were exchanging words. Bosnian people are not the nicest people. They are kind of hateful. And the South side is full of them. I guarantee he or his group mouthed off and surprise they got confronted and unfortunately a death occurred.

    If this crime can even be remotely considered a hate crime (which at the moment there’s no indicator that it can or will), it would be based off Begic’s status as a Bosnian presumably Muslim immigrant, not his perceived status as a “white person”. Stop trying to use this tragedy to fuel your racist, anti-black politics. The Saint Louis Bosnian community is not anti-black and it’s immensely disrespectful for white people to use them as a sockpuppet to justify their racism.

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    The irony is that Begic was most likely a refugee – in this case likely a genuine refugee rather than the thousands upon thousands of third world fakers currently infesting the west – who fled from the horrors of so-called ‘ethnic cleansing’ during that Yugoslav conflag of the early ’90s.

    And how did good ol’ Uncle Sam give succor to Begic and his ilk fleeing from the killing and bombing? Why by dumping them in the cheapest real estate going, real estate that Uncle Sam full well knows is ‘cheap’ because the native inhabitants have created an on-going war zone perhaps worse than anything that existed in Bosnia.

  10. There is an opportunity for a politician who asks why hate crimes laws are almost never invoked against blacks who attack whites or Asians.

  11. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"]
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    “their loved ones feel compelled to immediately make clear that the poor dead bastard wasn’t racist.” Pathetic.

    When I swim in the ocean I know no sharks will eat me because I wear a sticker telling everyone I give to a shark preservation charity.

    If I ever get killed by a Vibrant, I hope my family tell the media I’m in the KKK and proceed to make all third worlders lives a misery.

  12. She said she knows some Bosnians are upset over her brother’s death because they believe the suspects, who are black and Hispanic, targeted Begic because he was Bosnian.

    I wonder if the sister actually said “white” but the reporter changed it to “Bosnian” and deliberately didn’t use a direct quote.

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    Police said Begic got out to confront the juveniles, who began yelling at him and hitting him with hammers.

    This is a clear-cut case for hammer-control laws. There is no real reason for an average citizen to own a hammer these days, nobody does their own hammering anymore, it’s all done by licensed contractors.

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    Police chief Dotson does his political job by getting up in front of the audience and trying to mislead them by being tricky with the truth. The victim wasn’t targeted for being Bosnian. Of course the perps are way too stupid to know what a Bosnian is, that’s a given. But he’s obviously a white guy. Dotson is not a mind reader so is not in a position to claim what the motives of the murderers were. The word “random” usually gets worked into the narrative. Just go home now and forget about it; let the ‘healing’ begin. Victims and their families are usually taken by surprise and disbelief and attest to the victims good-naturedness and lack of animus towards other people; they were good persons who would never harm anyone else for what they were. The media does it’s job by editing down all the statements taped, broadcasting the ones with the proper message.
    People have to realize that being a good person is no shield against becoming a victim. Their skin is their uniform and that’s all that matters to the predators. That’s all that matters to the president also, apparently.

  15. At 1:15 AM, a group of 15 and 16 year old minority males are roaming the streets. That sure says a lot. The parents don’t bother to control their children at all. Are all the parents working the night shift so they don’t know their children are sneaking out at night? I doubt it.

    Never discussed but sure stood out with the Zimmerman case: A black woman who appears to have a solid job lives in the community with her 12 year old son. She gets herself a boyfriend and he brings his juvenile delinquent son into the community for visits and they do not bother to control the son at all. Leave the juvenile delinquent with the 12 year old and they go out for the entire day and into the night. When they come back home, they don’t even notice the juvenile delinquent isn’t there because they don’t care, its not their responsibility.

    I attended a service at a large mosque here in New Jersey about a month ago. The Imam who spoke that day addressed the attacks on the Muslim religion and how the congregation must feel hurt about the “Islamophobia” in the media. He told them that the way to deal with it was to be good people themselves, be the kind of neighbors others will want to have and especially look after your children, make sure they are the kind of children others will want to have around. No one will say that to blacks.

  16. How many Americans have heard of the “Zebra” (Black-on-White) racial murder spree? The total number of victims is said to have totaled 71. Seventy-one dead Whites in one city over two years, killed because of their race. Nobody remembers.

    Certainly Spike Lee hasn’t heard of them.There’s an unintentionally comic sequence in Summer of Sam where a Black woman talks about how Whites would go on an anti-Black rampage if a Black serial killer went around killing White people.

    Last time I checked, the Zebra Killings didn’t prompt anti-Black riots……

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  17. Bosnian whites are allowed to protest racist hate crimes as Bosnians, but not as whites.

    Fits in with “Whiteness Studies” ideology.Being Irish, or Italian, or Jewish, or Greek is good, but being White is an expression of racist ideology:

    the “white race” was invented as a ruling class social control formation in the late 17th-/early-18th century Anglo-American plantation colonies (principally Virginia and Maryland);
    central to this process was the ruling-class plantation bourgeoisie conferring “white race” privileges on European-American working people;
    these privileges were not only against the interests of African Americans, they were also “poison,” “ruinous,” a baited hook, to the class interests of working people;
    white supremacy, reinforced by the “white skin privilege,” has been the main retardant of working-class consciousness in the US; and
    struggle for radical social change should direct principal efforts at challenging white supremacy and “white skin privileges.”[30] Allen’s work influenced Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and sectors of the “new left” and paved the way for “white privilege,” “race as social construct,” and “whiteness studies.”

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    I don’t know if the Bosnians so much pick up on the idea that nobody cares about white hate crime victims as they pick up on the fact that people DO care about xyz immigrant group victims. To them, I think it appears that white whites (normal Americans) just aren’t victimized. Also, hello, Bosnians don’t think of themselves as white.

    I bet many blacks think much the same way, that if a white boy was gunned down by a black cop, whites too would immediately riot or possibly even re-launch slavery… But white boys are never victims of black cops or black hate attacks as far as they know.

    I also think there’s a version of this type of thinking going on among blacks with regard to economic inequality. (This is spitballing here but think about it). Let’s say you’re multi-generational welfare recipient your food is paid for by EBT, your rent paid by section 8 voucher, Medicaid covers your healthcare, your utilities paid by “assistance” or whatever, etc. This lifestyle is normal in your community, you see that most people receive significant benefits from the government. Based on te media and the leaders in your community, you also know that you live under a white supremacist, systemic racism government. So wouldn’t you naturally look at whites and assume that they are better off because they get more and better handouts from the government than you do?

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  19. Those who promote The Narrative like to pretend it sends only one message: “White people need to treat black people better.”

    They don’t like to acknowledge that it also sends the message: “Black people are justified in committing violence against their oppressors.”

    In the case of Quentin Tarantino, I think he’d smile to think Django may have caused whites to be beaten or killed.

  20. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"]
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    “How many Americans have heard of the “Zebra” (Black-on-White) racial murder spree? The total number of victims is said to have totaled 71. Seventy-one dead Whites in one city over two years, killed because of their race. Nobody remembers.”

    Whites may fear and loathe black thuggery but it also turns them on.
    Esp female psychology works that way.
    We saw in Ferguson how blacks smashed the stores of dotters.
    The daughters of dotters will socially and ‘familialy’ sympathize with their fathers and brothers. But their fathers/brothers will also be the sight of weakness, helplessness, and lameness(as running astore is seen as pretty lame). Despite the looting and craziness by blacks on their stores, dotter daughters will soon return to shaking their booty to rap and cheering for thuggish negroes in sports.
    Socially, they are appalled by Ferguson, but sexually they are turned on by black warrior genes(which is now sensationalized by sports, music, and entertainment).
    Blacks smashed Jewish stores in the 60s, but Jews are wild about tough blacks in sports and music. Blacks smashed Korean stores in LA in the 90s but Koreans are imitative of all things black.
    Blacks beat up Mexers, but Mexers ape negroes 24/7. Mexer gestures and talk are black-inflected.
    In Ferguson, the dotters store was smashed. If he has sons and daughters, they will socially side with him but sexually and stylistically be wild about negroes.

  21. One thing is for certain, in a ‘diverse’, ‘vibrant’ society, there is no lack of ‘victims.’ And to narrow down the perpetrators of hate crimes, we can just pick out the generic ‘White’ guy, the very person who made this nation into a thriving world power and allowed these ‘off-colored’ and ‘other-ethnicked’ people to come and share the wealth.

    To paraphrase Willy S: ‘What fools these White folks be.’

    I trust that in 2016, we will elect a Hispanic to be president, so that White people can take their licks from the Brown crowd and be further excluded from their own club. Only fitting, I suppose. Oh, wait…it could be a Womyn, could it not? At last, someone to help the troubled White Man….or maybe not!

  22. Shareef Allman went on his rampage the day Steve Jobs died. Big news day for Cupertino.

  23. I’ve been waiting for a white politician, with more than a snowballs chance In hell to win something big, to unapologetically state basically what you are stating here and finally tell the truth about black violence. A real leader who will turn the tide.

    I will eat my hat if Rudy Giuliana becomes that politician.

  24. AFAICT, Mexican Gangs in L.A. have solved both the problem of white structural oppression and black crime:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm

    A toast for them:

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    Guess what these kind of attacks happen all across the world. Take a look at this news clip from Ireland.

    “A Dublin man has been given a life sentence for murder and his two co-accused have been jailed for manslaughter of a 27-year-old ‘model worker’ they killed on his way to work.
    Martin Morgan (aged 21) of Tonlegee Road, Raheny; his cousin, Edward Byrne, (aged 21) of Cabra Park, Cabra, Dublin; and Stephen Byrne (aged 18) of St Donagh’s Road, Donaghmede, Dublin attacked Lukasz Rzeszutko ‘for a buzz’.

    The three men kicked and beat the Polish man to death on October 2, 2010 as he arrived at Kish Fish in the Newtown Industrial Estate in Coolock, where he worked with his two brothers.
    All three had pleaded not guilty to murder but guilty to manslaughter. However, a jury found Morgan guilty of murder earlier this month, after hearing that he had jumped and stamped on the victim’s head.”

    So are you going to call this a hate crime too?

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  26. The Bosnian Muslim community in St. Louis is the largest one in the USA, with the overwhelming majority having settled there during and especially after the war. They are largely only cultural Muslims, with few radicals amongst them other than local American non-Bosnians like Ismail Royer who, having lived in St. Louis, became a convert, fought in the war in Bosnia and returned only to get arrested post 9/11 as part of that terrorist ‘paintball’ gang in Virginia, IIRC. The small number of radical Muslims from Bosnia have mainly settled in Austria, not in St. Louis nor anywhere else in the USA.

    The community there numbers some 40,000-70,000, which is impressive as there are less than 2 million of them in Bosnia itself. My contacts in the St. Louis area inform me that they’ve helped clean up a few neighbourhoods that were victim of white flight (Americanized Germanic immigrants) by pushing out blacks that moved in after said white flight and that the community is held in high regard by non-blacks for having made the place much more liveable.

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  27. Where does “Whiteness” exist outside of the New World and South Africa? Even up in Canada, people will refer to ethnic identities rather than racial ones. You’ll hear “Jamaican”, “Somali”, “Portuguese”, “Polish”, much, much more often than “White” or “Black”. This of course might change thanks to shitlibbery and the influence of American media, as historical narratives from the USA gain traction. One example is how MLK is now championed in many places in Canada even though the historical circumstances that led to his rise have absolutely no relation to Canada historically nor culturally nor demographically.

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  28. OT = http://www.tampabay.com/news/specials/tampa-homeless-program-uses-unpaid-destitute-residents-as-steady-labor/2208350

    Tampa homeless program uses unpaid, destitute residents as steady labor force, revenue source

    I am sure Libertarians approve. Freedom of contract and all that. And it’s great for the CEO. Not so great for the folks who used to have the concession jobs.

  29. I suppose if the perps were Serbian immigrants, or Missouri rednecks, the Bosnians would get a more sympathetic audience. Libs loved those Bosnians when they were the exotic, fair skinned muslims of Europe who were bullied by those evil Christian Serbs. But since blacks cannot be evil in the eyes of liberals, I am sure this whole thing will be blamed on rednecks and the lingering effects of racism.

  30. “St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity.”

    Different department and jurisdiction I realize, but still St. Louis is close to Ferguson and they were closely identified in people’s minds – so that’s a pretty big FU to all those white people who stood behind Darren Wilson. PDs will stand up for their own guys when they’re murdered by blacks, or when they kill their attackers. But white “civilians” (as they call us)? I guess we’re on our own. Thanks for nothing.

  31. Why do these St. Louis Bosnians act surprised? They’re from Bosnia – location of a vicious civil-war within living memory. Do they imagine that urban blacks are intrinsically less dangerous than whomever their former neighbors were? They live in Missouri, not New York – they should all get themselves armed.

  32. “Bosnian whites are allowed to protest racist hate crimes as Bosnians, but not as whites.”

    As a Bosnian myself, we as a group look first and foremost at our ethnicity, not race.

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  33. How did they know he was Bosnian? A funny hat? Kowtowing to Mecca? (Any white man who does that deserves a good thrashing!)

    Will the protests spread to Utica and other Bosnian enclaves?

    Where are the Herzegovinians?

    Did the white chicks drugged-and-bugged by Dr Huxtable have it coming, too? Why is the black establishment not coming to his defense, like they did with that other black abuser, Bill Clinton?

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    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Cabinet-approves-Jewish-State-bill-382597

    Israel was founded and ruled as a Jewish state… but Israeli Jews insist it must declare itself a Jewish state. Eh?

    It’s like Jews own the media and use the media for Jewish interests, but Saban and Adelson bitch that they must gain control of the media for Jewish interests.

    Overkill is what Jews are about.

    If Jews have 99 pieces and you have 1, they will gripe that they don’t enough and must even things out by taking your remaining 1.

    Just ask Jason Richwine. Or every Arabist who was purged from the GOP.
    Enough is never enough for Jews.

    Israel is 99% Jewish-controlled, but the big issue is ‘declaring it a Jewish state’.

    That like a tiger insisting that it must declare itself a big cat predator. I mean no shit.

  35. There’s a few other reasons these groups of “teens” attack whites when they’re on these rampages:

    1. They know whites will just call the cops if attacked, and those with short time horizons are not worried about slow justice compared to what neighboring blacks would do – collect family members and friends and respond in kind immediately.
    2. Whites don’t tend to run in protective wolfpacks so they’re normally alone or with their SO.

    You don’t see a lot of this stuff happening to whites in the Deep South, though. A lot of us tend to carry guns, and the “teens” know it. I drive a very rednecky V8 Tundra and it’s perfectly legal for me to drive around with this Ruger on my console, thanks to Georgia’s increasingly favorable concealed carry laws:

    http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5720.html

    Pretty much the only places I can’t carry in Georgia are courthouses and federal buildings.

  36. I think we all here know the truth.

    (And I am a “recent-comer” who sometimes makes an ignorant fool of himself and gets proven wrong by more knowledgeable commenters.)

    We are the choir, so we don’t need to be preached to, but we like to keep abreast of current events. That our world is F’d up, we know. That we are attacked and then ignored in our own country, we know.

    News like this story just serves to confirm that we are right, as a falling pop fly in a baseball game confirms the existence of gravity. So, the only question is, what are we going to do about it?

    I, for one, am glad I am old enough to see the end of my life on this godforsaken planet coming in a few decades at most.

    I lived in a golden age, the pinnacle of White, American Civilization. The flag of my people stands proudly on the fricking Moon, for Chrissake! Via an invention of my people, I watched my people put it there. It will remain unmolested probably forever, because no one from this overgrowing jungle will ever make it back again.

    Now I am witnessing the downfall of my world. In this age of the electron, in which everything happens at the speed of light, I get to see it all happen rapidly.

    To those who are younger and more inclined to take real, physical action (in which they surely would dominate) I say, “have at it.” Or, to paraphrase, “beat those bastards down!”

  37. There is a piece in the Washington Post on the story by Todd Frankel. He seemingly mocks the St. Louis Bosnian community for “begging for more police protection.”

  38. The King of Africa is meeting today with the usual suit monkees. Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, NAACP chieftain Cornell Brooks and National Urban League’s Marc Morial to discuss ‘Ferguson, what went wrong’.

  39. So if you’re a purebred white, you can protest based on nationality. If you’re mixed nationality, you’re “American” and therefore “the problem”. Love this country.

  40. This victim is above average in looks for a white guy.

    It’s a shame. And where did the attackers get the hammers? The whole thing is depressing and weird.

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    SAD STORY BUT ALL TOO COMMON STORY OF BLACK ON WHITE VIOLENCE
    BUT THE GULLIBLE WHITE SUCKERS KEEP VOTING FOR LIBS.

    Thanks for the story. It is quite unfortunate. It is the Democrats and the liberal establishment and media that has pandered blacks for too long and even incited them into violence against whites.

    I hope these criminals get the death penalty.

    Will the whites riot now? Will the NYT post the address of the black criminals so whites can go get justice, if the police won’t? Oh, I forgot; whites never riot. They just like to sign their own death warrant by voting for libs.

    But the main problem is white liberalism. The white libs in Massachusetts, and Minnesota and Washington, etc. keep voting for Democrats and liberals such as Reid, Pelosi, Obama who do not mind if blacks kill whites.

    The white liberals are too mentally retarded to see how they are digging their own grave by voting for Dems and libs.

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    Take it from me, that was no average looking white man.

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  43. The hammer attack was deadly. It was a thing with self-awareness and agency all by itself. It was not a deliberate, malevolent act committed by sentient people. No one did it, no one was responsible for it. It just happened. Freak accident, act of god, one of those things, deadly racist hammer murder. What is there even left to say anymore?

  44. “Voice frustrations”? People get frustrated about heavy traffic, full parking lots, cold coffee, slow restaurant service, etc. Drawing attention to the fact that a white man who was minding his own business was brutally murdered by a pack of hammer wielding nonwhites goes a bit beyond “frustration” in my book.

    He never should have been driving in that part of town at that time of night. Derbyshire’s rules. Also, he shouldn’t have stopped or exited the vehicle. Step on the gas. If they don’t get out of the way, then that’s their problem. In this case the car should have been used as a weapon for self defense.

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    Even the epically stupid will look at this theoretical anti-Bosnian hate and quickly realize that such a thing has never existed in the USA and never will, and that this is exactly what it looks like – a simple black-on-white hate crime. The article is written in such a transparent way – presenting an obviously farcical thesis, and giving the T-word conspicuous prominence – as to make me think its author is an undercover thought criminal, and these are his coded messages. It’s the kind of thing I would write if I relied on the MSM for my income. Maybe there are numerous journalists reaching out in this way.

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    Utica used to be a Whitopia. From Colonial Times up through the 1950s it was a very pleasant place to live. Since the 1960s, Utica has been known as the armpit of NYS. Utica wasn’t always an deindustrialiazed armpit. Utica had a well developed electronics industry. Colonial Times-Civil War era up throughWW2 Utica was considered an economic powerhouse.

    During the 1970s Utica was plagued by Mafia gang warfare..and the Black Migration North. With a stroke of a pen…Billary made Utica a Bosnian enclave. The well known colonial era Methodist Church in Utica is now a Bosnian Muslim Mosque.

    Annette Funichello and Dick Clark both from Utica.

    Why are the Bosnian Muslims being imported into the US? Answer:another highly racialized-ethnicized Democratic Party voting block that will be enthusiastically voting Whitey into a racially minority on Nov 3 2016.

    Be prepared to wait on a long waiting list behind the large Bosnian Muslim Families to get into the Adirondack State Park-Lake George Region..After Nov 3 2017, the waiting list is gonna get exponentially longer.

    Politically, Utica has been a freak show for years.

    Does anyone know about The Mohawk Valley Plan?. Noam Chomsky has mentioned it quite a few times as the pre-WW2 Corporate anti-labor plan that set the pattern for the full-blown post-1980 Republican-Democratic Party policy of destroying White Labor Unions. It is a fascinating but not very well known episode in US Labor History of monumental importance today in light of the passage of 1965 Immigration Reform Act(nonwhite scab labor act).

    I have an interesting John Zogby story if anyone is interested…..

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  47. Probably soon forgotten will be the murder last week of the 60 year-old white teacher who was shot to death while out for a walk in the middle of the afternoon in the Huckleberry Preserve in the Oakland hills.

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-shot-dead-in-Huckleberry-park-in-Oakland-hills-5918503.php

    I mentioned this in an earlier comment thread, but the case continues to interest me because the victim, David Ruenzel, was exactly the kind of swipple who usually manages to avoid reality. He taught at an exclusive private school. He worked (as a writer) for the SPLC and the Gates Foundation. He wrote letters to the editor about things like aggressive bicyclists:

    http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/letterstoeditor/article/Letters-to-the-editor-Sept-2-4780274.php

    He lived in the exclusive part of Oakland that is normally a world away from the violent Oakland flatlands. In fact, 14 years ago he wrote a rambling, uncomfortably honest piece for the San Francisco Chronicle about the spectacular (and spectacularly expensive) view from his house:

    I’ve discovered that people have three reactions to my view. About a third press right up to the window and run the familiar landmarks through the spindles of the brain. Another third are simply extremely impressed, which I very much appreciate. They’ll ask me to point out, say, Coit Tower or Mt. Tamalpais and I’m always happy to oblige. Another third don’t say anything about my view at all, and I assume that they’ve become cynical about beauty or too habituated to it. Sometimes I think they’re jealous of my elevated status, especially those who have more money, more successful careers, more exciting lives. Thinking that they’re envious also gives me pleasure.

    http://www.sfgate.com/magazine/article/Point-of-View-3051501.php

    His point, I think, was that he felt vaguely guilty about being removed from reality:

    Not too long ago, I had some friends over for dinner. We were sitting in the view room, as my daughter calls it, at dusk. The populace below was irrigated with sunlight. We were talking about some political issue when someone – maybe it was me – made some oblique comment about how poor people were faring in this economic boom. “I don’t see any poor people, do you?” one of my friends asked, gesturing at the cityscapes below. We all had a good laugh, and the conversation moved on.

    Alas, reality was closer than he realized.

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  48. And the murder victim was driving home from a bar in the wee hours of a Sunday morning, so he wasn’t a teatotaling Muslim fundamentalist.

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  49. To the blacks you’re just another white guy. And in a couple of generations, the Bosnians will just be generic white Americans like the Albanians John and Jim Belushi.

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  50. That means you’re gay? You can say it, nobody cares any more. Hell, even AH didn’t care until they started plotting the “Second Revolution.”

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  51. This is a clear-cut case for hammer-control laws. There is no real reason for an average citizen to own a hammer these days, nobody does their own hammering anymore, it’s all done by licensed contractors.

    Hear, hear. Particularly those big assault hammers.

  52. Yeah, I hear that line a lot on NPR shows (Tom Ashbrook’s On Point, or Diane Rehm’s show). That if a black cop killed a white teenager, we would have lynchings, white outrage, etc.

    All it does is show that blacks really, truly believe that they are unjustly victimized by whites. This misperception is not just delusion. It is doubtless caused by the media’s failure to cover zebra crimes.

  53. He has a horsey and dumb-looking face. I guess the average face is getting rounder and browner, so maybe he is above average looking.

  54. You are much more likely to encounter Bosnian Muslims who abstain from pork than from alcohol. But yes, you are correct.

  55. I’m sure both parties were exchanging words. Bosnian people are not the nicest people. They are kind of hateful. And the South side is full of them. I guarantee he or his group mouthed off and surprise they got confronted and unfortunately a death occurred.

    LMAO at the mental gymnastics and especially the classical libspeak passive voice in “a death occurred”.

    Oh, and one party just happened to be holding hammers at the time.

  56. “and unfortunately a death occurred”
    Masterful use of the passive voice there, Jones. Entirely appropriate given that, as we all know, black malefactors usually “din do nuffin” anyway.

  57. The black youths just could not shoot straight. They thought they were killing a YT but whom they killed was a Bosniak muslim!

    There was a Japanese terrorist who shot tourists at Tel Aviv airport back in the 1970s. He killed 24 of them… most of them were Puerto Ricans who went to Israel for a pilgrimage!

    While the death of the Bosniak is tragic, it is kinda comical.

  58. I can think of no such incident that has ever gotten any real play the the prestige media.

    Whose fault is that?

    There are people paid to promote white-on-black attacks and downplay black-on-white attacks, like ThinkProgress writers.

    Take a look at attempts to hold ThinkProgress writers accountable. I’ve tried it many times, and it would have been effective if I’d gotten any help.

    Those who do get help – eg DailyCaller/Breitbart/HotAir writers – are incapable of holding ThinkProgress writers accountable and rarely even try. Most of those types of people can’t even conceive of doing something like that. When they do try, it’s just echo chamber fodder that will have no long-term impact whatsoever.

    So, whose fault is all that?

  59. Steve, this comment may not make it past moderation, but I just have to express my sincere belief that Jericho Jones has officially replaced Douglas Feith as “the dumbest f***ing guy on the planet”

  60. Sooner or later, “youths” will kill someone who has the “wrong sort” of relatives, one who views an eye for an eye as excellent advise. I think of the late John Gotti, and the fate of the neighbor who rolled over Gotti’s grandson in the driveway. There are emigre networks involved in all sorts of things that can and will make statements. An eye for an eye is about power as much as everything else. After all, its one thing to kill a couple of Chinese grad students around USC who don’t have family with power and connections. Its another entirely to kill a princeling whose family resembles Bo Xilai.

    And sooner or later, globalization and encouragement of Black violence as dominance and control, will bring that about. Youths kill a connected person to a criminal/state emigre network filled with violent, vengeance seeking people and … nothing very good ensues. If Kim Jong Un can hack Sony for making a movie that mocks him, what would the Chinese Oligarchy do if one of their own was … face to face with enhanced vibrancy?

    Somewhat related, Al Sharpton is meeting the President today at the White House, while Deval Patrick has criticized Hillary for assuming inevitability while saying he won’t run for President.

    President Al? It could happen. Certainly if Sharpton ran he could beat Hillary like a drum the way Obama did Hillary. With the same primary electoral dynamics?

    The only question is, will the dominance display of Black violence in its many forms be more helpful or hindrance to Al Sharpton should he win the nomination?

    I find personally Black and Hispanic “teens” teaming up to attack random White guys very troubling. Like a Hitler-Stalin pact of our times.

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  61. Um, no.

    1. Utica’s problem has been long-term loss of it’s comparative advantage and economic niches. The relative decline of the Mohawk Valley has been ongoing since about 1930 and demographic losses are still not stanched. As is, income levels are about 20% below national means, normal for the Deep South but not Upstate. Similar problems of similar dimensions have been manifest in the Southern Tier and in Western New York, though in Buffalo there was an acute crisis ca. 1982 in the manufacturing sector which was not as intense elsewhere.

    2. The black population within city limits is 13%, precisely the national mean. You add the tract development in the townships and the black share of the whole is 11%, below the national mean.

    3. Perhaps 4.5% of the population in and around Utica is Bosnian. They’re not that obtrusive and those I’ve met have been very pleasant.

    4. The crime rates in Utica are unremarkable. The homicide rates and the general index crime rates hug national means for metropolitan centers.

    5. The last three mayors were, respectively, a high school athletic coach, an undertaker, and a real estate agent. That’s your idea of a freak show?

    6. The Sicilianate mob has been so weakened demographically its under the radar Upstate to the extent it continues to exist.

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  62. He wrote for the SPLC? And the Gates Foundation, which gives away full four year college scholarships, and says explicitly that only non-whites are eligible?

    The hell with him. He got what he deserved.

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    The “Whiteness” of “Whiteness Studies” was originally devised and promoted by white ethnic academics as a proxy for the then dominant WASPs/northern Euro Protestants. It was an ideological means of fighting their elite and cultural dominance.

  64. How long until one of these riots turns into a race war? At some point a group of threatened whites will start shooting back, and then it really gets ugly.

    I live in Utah, so free-roaming NAM thugs aren’t exactly everywhere. The Hispanics don’t live near me and mostly their worst elements are kept in check. But if somehow I do manage to run into such a group I will use my car as a weapon, or my 9mm.

  65. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"]
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    I am an optimist, yes.

  66. I wonder if those hispanics involved are of the mestizo kind or rather genetically as black as their african american comrades.

  67. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"]
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    Hey genius, here’s the Go Fund Me website for the poor man:

    http://www.gofundme.com/i0hi58

  68. @ terrapin gape
    I think you are right. And thats why white victims are not ignored, how it seems, but rather secretly cheered. The majority of whites simply enjoys the show blacks offer them, they want to see their champions win. And when some sneaking white guy – like Wilson, Zimmermann, etc. – resists they do everything they can to destroy him

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    Clearly the black mob didn’t brutally murder this man for being Bosnian, but because of his Northern Bosnian heritage specifically. It is well known that American blacks are enraged by Dinaric cultures from the Sava river region.

    When will African-Americans learn to cast aside these ancient rivalries and tolerate and respect Northern Bosnians (and Croatians for that matter!) like they do Southern Bosnians and Herzegovinians.

  70. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"]
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    What about Newburgh?

    The last time I visited it looked like a total hellhole. I don’t have the actual stats in front of me but I did once look them up in City Data and the crime in Newburgh is waaayyyy higher than surrounding community, on either side of the Hudson.

    @Countenance

    My spidey sense tells me this was a race crime 100% but that video really doesn’t prove it. You don’t hear the kids as they beat the man to death, you hear a white person who is narrating the video say so. I tend to believe her (I think it’s a woman) but it’s still hearsay.

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  71. If I had a hammer,
    I’d hammer in the morning,
    I’d hammer in the evening
    All over this land.

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    You’re sure he was hateful? I’m not. So we’re even. I’m working backwards from the event itself. I tend to think that hammering someone’s brains in is not an appropriate way to express your feelings.

  73. Steve, how come you didn’t have a post regarding the anniversary of Paul Walkers death?

  74. Of the suspects, it is reported:

    One was described as a black or of mixed race, in his late 20s or early 30s, thin, with dreadlocks, high cheekbones and a narrow face, wearing dark clothes.

    Ahhh, let’s elect him to Congress. Clearly a Native American.

  75. This is almost something out a 19th century short story- a kind of mechanical irony.

  76. As a side note, I don’t want those damn Bosnians in my country either. It’s a classic case of a Rainbow Killing. You know, blue kills yellow or green kills violet. All those lovely blended colors actually hating one another. Ahh, diversity! It’s our strength!

    So really, to me this is just one less unwanted immigrant invader in America. I shed no tears for him. Though in reality I know it was a bunch of black “youths” killing what they saw as a white person. It would be funny to ask them if they know what a Bosnian is.

    And are the Bosnians supposed to be tough guys or whatever? Seems like things might be ripe for some revenge killing. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the coming race war gets kicked off by Bosnian revenge attacks? Vive el Rainbow!

  77. Citation? Proof?

  78. The White House is reported as saying:

    President Barack Obama will meet with controversial black pastor and MSNBC host Al Sharpton on Monday at the White House, and plans to issue a $263 million executive order that will put 50,000 body-worn cameras in U.S. police departments in response to the August police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

    This might not work out the way they expect. If it shows lots of black males misbehaving around police officers …

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  79. Well that’s comforting. So you’re here in the US, now? I sure hope so.

    It’s like my wise, old grandfather always told me, you can’t have too many ethnic nationalists in the same place, scrambling for their slice of the social democratic pie.

    And like my sainted grandmother always used to say, wise nations always make sure to pick sides in ancient, intractable disputes and welcome the protagonists from both sides to their shores.

    I also had a wise old uncle. He always reminded me that nothing can go wrong from importing cheaper, darker-skinned people to do your labor for you. Not applicable to Bosnians of course, but I see you’re already finding out what your darker-complected neighbors are doing here.

    These are just some of the venerable old Anglo-Saxon sayings, passed down by my ancestors.

    You’re from the former Yugoslavia, right? I think over the years you’ll find the US is a lot like home-sweet-home.

  80. Wasn’t Jaimie Foxx supposed to be working on a movie about the Zebra Killings with the focus being racial discrimination in the SFPD? What happened to that project? Maybe they’ll switch the races around.

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    I met quite a few Bosnians starting in the ’90′s when they were first arriving. Some brunette, some hazel, some blondish, covered the usual range. Except for a small group they weren’t particularly Muslim, drank and ate what they wanted, they didn’t take religion seriously just as Europeans in general have lost interest in it. As new arrivals they were predictably somewhat lost and confused. Although some of them may claim they identify as Bosnians first that’ll change; after all it’s only been twenty years. The second generation Americanized really fast, have the same pop idols as the rest of society. They’ll be like all other detribalized whites in the US, perhaps with an exotic twist like those who claim to have an Indian ancestor, in this case Muslim ancestors.
    Aren’t these ridiculous “whiteness studies” just something manufactured by people like Noel Ignatiev ( race traitor, how the Irish ‘became’ white, etc) who revise history, recasting it in a way that’ll serve as a vehicle for their own political line? Must have been an unpleasant way for a young person to die, being hammered to death and cheated out of a full life by some nothing to lose animals. Come to a new country, start a new life and end up being murdered.

  82. At this link, you can find a foto of Joseph Fox

    Enlarged, that picture would make a great pistol range target. Unfortunately most publicly accessible ranges don’t allow targets with photographs of real people.

  83. Which is what would happen.

  84. This is the lastest fantasy of the ACLU and the Cultural Marxist Media’s eternal hunt for the great white defendant.

    They believe that body cameras will catch white police officers off guard using racist language and provide lots of opportunities to shake down police departments. Much more likely is that black and Hispanic law enforcement will be found at much greater rates venting their frustrations with the far left of the bell curve underclass.

    Think of the famous case of the black downtown Atlanta metro station mall security guard who posted his daily encounters with the black underclass which finally led to his firing after he tased a woman and posted it online.

    ABSOLUTE MUST SEE:

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2013/01/hood-mother-in-underground-atlanta-gets.html

    Oh Well, at least World Star Hip Hop will be billion dollar website.

  85. Where I live, black on black shootings don’t get much press. Here is the 4 July summary story. They don’t bother mentioning the dead by name. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-07-07/news/chi-fourth-of-july-toll-82-shot-14-of-them-fatally-in-chicago-20140707_1_south-chicago-east-garfield-park-west-englewood

    Black on white? Perp: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/04/article-2057618-0EAAE48200000578-258_306x423.jpg

    Vic: http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/wls/images/cms/automation/vod/304994_1280x720.jpg

    Heavily reported.

    Around here, blacks are frequently killed by each and there is little public concern — at least in the media. Or, lets face it … no one cares much.

    In Chicago, anyway … not a good idea for black thugs to kill whites.

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    Media withholding or downplaying race of attackers.

    How about we call it ‘genovesing’?

    This guy was genovesed. Media are saying ‘teens’ or ‘juveniles’.

  87. I think the project was quietly dropped. It was to make black detectives the heroes of the story. They would still have to show the murders, which made green-lighting unlikely.

  88. The majority of whites simply enjoys the show blacks offer them, they want to see their champions win. And when some sneaking white guy – like Wilson, Zimmermann, etc. – resists they do everything they can to destroy him

    What majority of whites??? The majority of whites are behind Wilson and they even supported the mestizo Zimmerman. The majority of whites are fed up. The majority of whites vote for the GOP despite the GOP not lifting a finger to help them out.

  89. What about Newburgh?

    Dear friend of mine who traveled the state working for a subsidiary of the garment unions told me the place was deeply depressing back in the day during his time on the staff. That would have been ca. 1962 +/- 6 years. So, it’s been that way for a while. The lower Hudson Valley has actually been the most economically vibrant part of the state with demographic growth at an agreeable clip. The Newburgh municipality constitutes about 11% of the dense urban settlement along the river in Dutchess and Orange Counties. I think most of the rest of it is much more agreeable, though I’ve been told Beacon is slumish.

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  90. President Al? It could happen. Certainly if Sharpton ran he could beat Hillary like a drum the way Obama did Hillary. With the same primary electoral dynamics?

    Sober up. Sharpton collars perhaps 1/3 of the ballots in a Democratic primary in New York City on his best day and is a mere spectacle anywhere else in America. He has nowhere near the stature of Jesse Jackson when Rev. J was at the top of his game. JJ had ca. 1983 favorability ratings of 95% or so among blacks polled and could collar 85% of the black ballots in Democratic primaries anywhere in the country. He had no chance to be the Democratic presidential nominee, however, and, as one wag put it, would have been elected President of the U.S. about as readily as he would have been elected president of the B’nai B’rith.

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  91. “Sooner or later, “youths” will kill someone who has the “wrong sort” of relatives, one who views an eye for an eye as excellent advise.”

    Among all of the Black on Asian crimes I see in The Bay Area, I am still waiting for the day when one of Obama’s sons messes with the wrong Asian person who has family ties to The Yakuza or The Triads.

  92. “The White House is reported as saying:

    President Barack Obama will meet with controversial black pastor and MSNBC host Al Sharpton on Monday at the White House, and plans to issue a $263 million executive order that will put 50,000 body-worn cameras in U.S. police departments in response to the August police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

    This might not work out the way they expect. If it shows lots of black males misbehaving around police officers …”

    Body worn cameras on police officers will create more Whites who notice things if they get to see what police officers in Black neighborhoods have to put up with.

    Being a police officer in a Black neighborhood is not a walk in the park like it is in Mayberry, it’s a very dangerous job.

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  93. “Steve, how come you didn’t have a post regarding the anniversary of Paul Walkers death?”

    I just call him Pauly W.

  94. it’s a very dangerous job.

    It is. But not to the cops themselves.

  95. “The trial lasted one week, but jurors deliberated for only about two hours, after closing arguments on Monday. Besides first-degree murder, Wilson was convicted of armed robbery, residential burglary and home invasion.
    Because the teen was white and Wilson is black, the defense sprinkled its closing arguments with accusations Wilson was charged because of his race, CBS 2’s Dorothy Tucker reports.
    The defense attorney also criticized police for failing to consider any other suspects, telling the jury: “Did the girl come home and see the cleaning lady going through drawers? That’s a possibility.”

    Cleaning Lady? Had to post because of humor — his best defense was beyond pathetic.

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    Beacon is the Billyburgh of the Hudson River. It’s being gentrified by hipsters. There’s a modern art installation (Dia) and lots of old factories that are being turned into hipster places. It still has the slum element but they behave themselves.

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    LOL, Sharpton could only be elected dogcatcher in Whiskey’s purple fantasies.

    But he’s in the White House meeting the president. Isn’t that bad enough?

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  98. Sober up. Sharpton collars perhaps 1/3 of the ballots in a Democratic primary in New York City on his best day and is a mere spectacle anywhere else in America. He has nowhere near the stature of Jesse Jackson when Rev. J was at the top of his game. JJ had ca. 1983 favorability ratings of 95% or so among blacks polled and could collar 85% of the black ballots in Democratic primaries anywhere in the country. He had no chance to be the Democratic presidential nominee, however, and, as one wag put it, would have been elected President of the U.S. about as readily as he would have been elected president of the B’nai B’rith.

    And Jesse Jackson actually won the Democratic Primary in South Carolina, where democrat = black more than in any other place in the US.

  99. Uh, yeah, I am. The poorer classes from Polish and other Eastern European countries have flooded Britain, creating friction between the native and immigrant working classes.

  100. Bosnians usually are drinkers, just as most Albanians are. They curiously don’t eat pork, though. Apparently not eating pork is easier than not drinking, or maybe food taboos are stronger than drug taboos. Maybe because drug usage starts as a teenager or in early adulthood anyway, whereas eating starts as a baby and so food taboos get set early on.

  101. Let me second, that’s an outrage.

  102. Bosnians usually are drinkers, just as most Albanians are. They curiously don’t eat pork, though. Apparently not eating pork is easier than not drinking, or maybe food taboos are stronger than drug taboos. Maybe because drug usage starts as a teenager or in early adulthood anyway, whereas eating starts as a baby and so food taboos get set early on.

    Maybe it’s because there are numerous substitutes for pork as a dish, and pork doesn’t have the social component of alcohol. After all, you don’t go out to bars to eat pork just so you can loosen up to meet women.

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  103. Agreed,

    Is being “king” really better than being the king maker?

    I think deep down there is nothing Sharpton loves more than having his ass kissed by YT.

    Sharpton controls the left half of the black bell curve and much of its right.

    Don’t think Jeb Bush won’t be willing to pucker up if he thinks it would give him and edge are at least avoid him being called a waycist.

  104. Hopefully the local Bosnians will respond with some of the clan-based violence that the Balkans are famous for.

  105. I wouldn’t bet on that. America has thoroughly exhausted its ability to assimilate people(and people that can be assimilated).

  106. Bosnian Muslims will substitute pork with lamb, especially when it comes to their delicacies such as cevapcici a.k.a. kebabs.

  107. Hopefully the local Bosnians will respond with some of the clan-based violence that the Balkans are famous for.

    I doubt it. If the Bosnians were any good at that sort of thing, they probably wouldn’t be refugees here in the first place.

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    The fact that you feel comfortable around the Bosnian Muslim population in Utica is beside the point. How do the Native White Uticans feel about having the Bosnian Muslims dropped on Utica by Billary? Well, they didn’t consent to it…and they don’t like the Bosnians.

    Utica politics is in fact a freak show if you knew anything about Utica politics.Exhibit A:The midget from New Hartford who runs the Democratic Party in Onieda County.

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  109. “. Indeed, Simmons came from a poor, small town West Virginia family (Jackie from small town Virginia), was always trying to impress her father, and was all of the things “Jackie” claims to be in the article- head of clubs, merit scholar, etc. ”

    Don’t know what you’re talking about here. I don’t know Bosnians per se, but I know plenty of Serbs and Croatians and they are essentially the same people but for religion: Croats, Roman Catholic; Serbs, Orthodox; and Bosnians, mostly Muslim. All these used to be “Yugoslavians” and I never knew any that did not consider themselves white. I think the powers that be, not to mention some of the more ridiculous white groups (Nordics only apply types) are trying to whittle away whiteness from those previously well within the pale. There is less strength in fewer numbers I suppose.
    The most “racist” white (not that he would hurt anyone who left him alone, but he was tough, had opinions, and was 6’6″ looking like a cross between Humphrey Bogart and Kramer) I ever knew was a half-Serb, half Croat.

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    So what are all of you saying that every ‘white person” in the world is racist, because that is so not true. It does seem the message that is being put across. Is it right to commit crimes in anger? Under any circumstances?? Absolutely not.

    Is the world free of racism? No and it will never be.. It’s sad but true… just human nature.

    Is it right to just go and kill innocent people because of a few that are racist???????? This is the message I seem to be understanding from all of this.

  111. “Where does “Whiteness” exist outside of the New World and South Africa? Even up in Canada, people will refer to ethnic identities rather than racial ones. You’ll hear “Jamaican”, “Somali”, “Portuguese”, “Polish”, much, much more often than “White” or “Black”.”

    As a White person I see myself as a minority in majority Nonwhite California. If I moved to North Dakota for example I would still see myself as a minority but a different type of minority in the sense that I am an Italian guy in one of the most WASP states in the country.

    So yeah I identify more strongly as Italian than I do as White if I am at a Whitopia. I only often think about being White when I am surrounded by a lot of people who are darker than me.

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    Newburgh had been colonized by violent M-13 Gangbangers…..West Point is literally surrounded by El Salvador these days. Orange County Choppers area is depressingly being turned into a giant asphalt parking lot to accommodate Mexican-Salvadoran generated population growth.

    There is no economic justification for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority. I call it for what it is:Libertarian Treason.

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  113. After all, you don’t go out to bars to eat pork just so you can loosen up to meet women.

    Speak for yourself.

  114. As a White person I see myself as a minority in majority Nonwhite California. If I moved to North Dakota for example I would still see myself as a minority but a different type of minority in the sense that I am an Italian guy in one of the most WASP states in the country. So yeah I identify more strongly as Italian than I do as White if I am at a Whitopia.

    In Australia you would be seen as a wog, along with arabs and balkans. The word wog comes Golliwog a black doll popular in the 19th century:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwog

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  115. If you watch any movie involving Non WASP “Ethnic Whites”, they always refer to each other by their ethnic origin and not their racial origin.

    In the film “The Iceman” for example, the Italian mafia always refer to a Polish Hitman named Richard Kuklinksi as that Polak guy and not as that White guy.

    In “The Departed” you see Jack Nicholson’s Irish American character refer to Italians as Guineas. These “Ethnic White” slang terms are still very common in the Northeast, but not used very much in flyover states where there are not as many “Ethnic Whites”.

  116. Nearly all Albanians are almost completely areligious. I asked an Albanian friend of mine if his family was Christian or Muslim, and he had to think about it for a minute or so (Muslim, he thinks). In the same conversation, he spent several minutes talking about how he was infuriated by Obama’s amnesty order (he brought it up, not me).

  117. The Historic Native Born White American Majority

    Do you get some kind of sexual kink out of saying that exact phrase over and over again?

  118. “In Australia you would be seen as a wog, along with arabs and balkans. The word wog comes Golliwog a black doll popular in the 19th century:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwog”

    The Croatian Australian actor Eric Bana said he has been referred to as a Wog by WASP Australians when he was growing up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bana#Early_life

  119. The U.S. Military Academy at West Point is 13 miles to the south of Newburgh. It’s not surrounded by Newburgh. MS-13 is a Salvadorean outfit. There are only about 400 Salvadoreans in Newburgh (about 3% of the total Hispanic population). Central Americans in general make up perhaps 14% of the Hispanic population. Crime rates in Newburgh are high but not disastrous. Other places have made a comeback from a worse baseline.

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  120. “WAMs vs. NAMs”

  121. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"]
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    “Orange County Choppers area is depressingly being turned into a giant asphalt parking lot to accommodate Mexican-Salvadoran generated population growth.

    There is no economic justification for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority”

    OC is being turned into a giant asphalt parking lot because the farmland was sold to developers to make into McMansions. The people who buy those McMansions are not Mexican-Salvadorans.

    A lot of land in OC is owned by Catholic religious orders (look up Harriman, especially) who knowingly facilitated illegal immigration. I have seen this myself, with my own lying eyes. The orders are shrinking now due to demographic implosion. At their heyday, they served Italian Catholic factory workers, who were not the kind of Historic Native Born White Americans I think you are talking about. The orders did this because the Italians were moving up and away. They needed replacements.

    Of course, you can just blame it on the Scots-Irish! To my knowledge the Scots-Irish are the only demographic in the area who are exploding — the old-fashioned way. They practice affordable family formation, which is more than just a matter of money.

    Addendum: Empty Nesters move away from OC because the property taxes are high, and their kids are grown. They don’t want to pay property taxes for someone else’s kids. Maybe we should change this system but it’s not the fault of illegals.

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  122. Re: the Cupertino murder

    1) The weapon used was a .223 cal rifle, likely an M16 knockoff. Precisely the type of weapon the Piers Morgan’s of this world obsess about. Yet radio silence

    2) One of the ‘Mexicans’ was a 51 year old named John, the other a 59 year old named Philip (or something similarly Anglo). I’m not being politically correct about this — there really are old school Mexican Americans. Given the demographic realities, we are going to have to convince a good chunk of them that letting their second cousin once removed into the country isn’t no more good for them than it is good for us.

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    I think the powers that be, not to mention some of the more ridiculous white groups (Nordics only apply types) are trying to whittle away whiteness from those previously well within the pale.

    No, the powers that be also promote a generic white identity, though for different reasons than right wingers.

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    “He wasn’t targeted because he was Bosnian”.

    That is actually TRUE.

    He WAS targeted because he was WHITE.

    Did you know, that a black cop in Alabama shot and killed an unarmed white teenager a few days ago? Or that another black cop shot and killed a white unarmed teenager in Salt Lake city a few months back? Don’t expect to hear anything about this from our Jewish dominated cultural Marxist mainstream media. There will be no white protests or demonstrations.

  125. Not an expert but to be clear

    Bosnian=person from Bosnia (could be Croat, Serb or Bosniak)

    Bosniak=Muslim Slav from Bosnia

    I think

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  126. How do the Native White Uticans feel about having the Bosnian Muslims dropped on Utica by Billary? Well, they didn’t consent to it…and they don’t like the Bosnians.

    Lived in the area for 17 years. Never heard any complaints. Quit projecting.

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  127. OC is being turned into a giant asphalt parking lot because the farmland was sold to developers to make into McMansions. The people who buy those McMansions are not Mexican-Salvadorans.

    About 20% of the land area of the county consists of tracts where the population density exceeds 400 per sq. mile. It’s not a parking lot. The county is unusual in that it has had demographic growth rates exceeding national means (by about 12% or so) over the last 70-odd years, during a time when New York as a whole has been demographically somnambulant.

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    No, “wog” stands for “worthy oriental gentleman.”

  129. لا إله إلا الله

  130. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"]
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    100 percent of current US population growth is caused by nonwhite immigrants…..especially if take into account the number of “American” born children they are having.

    The Tristate area is the most overpopulated and densely populated area on the Planet. Westchester County has had a baby boom going twenty years. Legal immigrant Asians and and legal immigrant Carribeans ate causing this boom and the consequent explosion in property taxes and housing prices.

    The Newburgh-Orange County area is infested with Mexicans-Salvadorans….and White Native Refugees from NYC and Long Island.

    Actually, I would prefer a population explosion of my own demographic kind in this area…because you see I am a highly racialized Native Born White American kind…and I prefer my own kind-not the imported Democratic Party Voting Block Nonwhite Kind.

  131. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"]
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    Well…you either haven’t been to Utica in awhile or you have,and you didn’t get out at all and speak to the White Natives of Utica… or you are liar.

    For the rest of you:there is a lot of rage and anger among the White Native locals of Utica towards the Bosnian Muslim imports…fresh from ethnically cleansing The Serbians from The Serbians’ Historic Homeland….being plopped down on them in Utica by Billary. Just visit Utica walk around…..go to the local watering holes and talk to the White Natives of Utica.

  132. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"]
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    You are full of it. A I have passed through-ate in restaurants in the Newbugh-Orange County area for years on my way to go kayaking from the Kittaninny base camp. The area is infested with Mexicans and Central Americans. M-13 is a major problem in the Newburgh Area. I can remember going as far as back ten years ago eating in a restaurant in Newburgh after a kayaking trip on the Delaware. After a while I lost count of the number of pregnant Central American teenagers with two-three kids in the stroller walking around in Newburgh.

    These days you can’t go kayaking- rafting on the Delaware in Port Jervis-Matomoras area and not hear Hispanic music being blasted at high decibels from the riverbank. And then there is the cluttering of this section of the Delaware…The Famous Hawks Nest overlook….with Hindu H1 and L1 B scab labor thieves from New Jerseystan in rafts.

  133. You nutty as hell. Bosnians, Kosovars, Albanians are white and overwhelming Muslims not counting the hundreds of millions white Muslims worldwide.

  134. Most Bosnians are Muslims. If a Serb or Croat come from Bosnia, they will call themselves Serb or Croat.

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    Write to your congressmen and send a hammer to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN presidents and ask why they are not covering this. And then send a hammer to president Obama and ask him why he hasn’t addressed this. Speak up, people!

  136. The wise men in my family said do not get caught up in ethnic strife, it leads to death and destruction for the human race. You see, not all Bosnians, nor Croats, nor Muslims have blood hatred toward other groups.

    “I think over the years you’ll find the US is a lot like home-sweet-home.”

    The mere fact that Americans today are the result of marriage between ethnic groups that “back in the day” was “taboo” only proves that an impending war similar to that of what happened in my former homeland is mere fantasy.

    “He always reminded me that nothing can go wrong from importing cheaper, darker-skinned people to do your labor for you.”

    He was a wise man. You are pissing on his grave by mocking him.

    “If you watch any movie involving Non WASP “Ethnic Whites”, they always refer to each other by their ethnic origin and not their racial origin.”


    
Exactly. In the MOVIES.

  137. Just spoke to a native Utican whose parents still live there. “It’s a shithole.” quoth he.

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  139. I recall thinking something like this a few years ago after reading a story in a nearby city’s newspaper about a 13-year-old white boy who was murdered by a couple of black gang members because he was, quite innocently as it turned out, wearing a jacket of the wrong color – which the murderers thought was that of a rival gang.

    The boy’s surname was Italian; it turned out that his father, who owned a pizzeria, was an immigrant from Messina. I wondered what might have happened to the thugs that killed his son if he had some family connection with the ‘Ndrangheta.

  140. Bosnians are, pretty obviously, whiter than the average white American.

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