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From the New York Times:

California Today: The State’s Hate Landscape
Mike McPhate
CALIFORNIA TODAY FEB. 22, 2017

California appeared to witness a rise in hate last year.

In 2016, the state was home to 79 organizations with animus toward blacks, whites, immigrants, Muslims and other groups, according to a new report by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based group that tracks extremism. That’s up from 68 the year before. …

But the classification of other groups drew pushback.

Californians for Population Stabilization, a Santa Barbara group with thousands of members, was labeled anti-immigrant by the center. Mr. Potok attributed the determination in part to troubling remarks about race and eugenics made by people formerly linked to the group.

Benjamin Zuckerman, the group’s president, vehemently objected to the characterization. The organization’s objectives, he said, are twofold: environmental conservation and fairness to working Americans who are harmed by “over immigration.”

“I consider us pretty much just ordinary people,” said Dr. Zuckerman, who is also an astronomy professor at U.C.L.A. “We just have a view that too many people for a given environmental carrying capacity is just not good.”

But does Professor Zuckerman support unlimited, endless, infinite immigration?

No.

So that makes him a proponent of Hate.

Any other line of though might raise the question of whether the reason that the SPLC has $302,800,000 in financial assets is because it could be thought of as America’s most lucrative hate group.

But of course that’s unthinkable.

 
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  1. The same SPLC reported two or three “hate groups” in my area, which I know very well. The groups do not exist. I occasionally attend my local gun and knife shows. There’s no recruiting for anything resembling a “hate group”.

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  2. How did the SPLC get to be the Microsoft of anti-white hate groups? There are countless organisations jostling with each other in the war against white people, yet this one seems to get the lion’s share of donations.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But do you know many Jewish astronomers? They're the real neo-Nazis these days, according to the SPLC.
    , @pyrrhus
    Elderly cat ladies giving large donations.....
    , @Barnard
    It is an easy citation for the media, just go to the SPLC website and cut and paste. The massive endowment also helps give them visibility.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Morris Dees is in the Hall of Fame of the Direct Marketing Association [i.e., junk mail].

    He's a force of nature.
  3. Benjamin Zuckerman co-wrote a book on the Fermi paradox with Michael H. Hart. Hart wrote Understanding Human History, which dealt with history from a hereditarian perspective. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zuckerman is concerned about the racial demographic implications of mass immigration, but is pursuing the issue exclusively in terms of environmental justice and economic equality for PR reasons. That is not to say that Zuckerman doesn’t truly believe those aren’t legitimate reasons to oppose mass immigration in itself, but it will certainly make life easier for him at UCLA to avoid discussing the racial angle.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Wrong.

    Ben Zuckerman's view is based on population ecology. How far down the human population genetics road he takes it is open to interpretation; I can't say I recall him ever "going racial."

    But his approach in itself is completely valid: too many humans rapidly becoming a bunch more humans is an adequate focus. Now factor in r- and K-population strategies there. It's not even necessary to get racial about it: the two population strategies lead to very different population outcomes, de facto. White populations will regress to less or no growth--as neoreactionaries are constantly fretting, and asserting whites should be breeding like they're from Niger.

    But, you see, in the late '90s/early Aughts, Big Green's billionaire "charitable" donors started connecting population control and racism in order to play on whites' guilt and push for open borders/globalism. (This is one reason the "black bloc" was turned loose on the peaceful WTO demonstrators in Seattle in '99 IMO--to associate in the public's mind forever that "anti globalism" meant violence.)

    Ben was one of the intrepid membership-elected Sierra Club board members who tried desperately in the early Aughts to restore the organization's policy area/focus on population and immigration issues.

    The other two were Paul Watson (Sea Shepherds) and Doug La Follette (Wisconsin Secretary of State and founder of Wisconsin's Environmental Decade IIRC).

    It did not go well for the pro-population-sanity camp. All sorts of big guns were brought in to undermine and displace these democratically elected board members.

    Two of those big guns were Morris Dees's SPLC and George Soros's MoveOn.

    That's right, Morrie Dees/SPLC has been trying to get Zuckerman's nads in the wood vise for nigh onto 15 years now. Zuckerman is despised by the open borders crowd.

    When other population-sane candidates ran for Sierra Club board--Frank Morris, David Pimentel, and Dick Lamm--Sierra president Carl Pope lambasted them as "racists" and SPLC and MoveOn brought their mass mailing might to bear on pushing open borders and defeating the reformers.

    The real issue was that tech venture capitalist David Gelbaum had bought the Sierra Club for $100 million on the condition that Carl Pope and the club never talk about immigration (Gelbaum being a Jew married to a Mexican) or population.

    As of now Gelbaum's black ink totals over $200 million to Sierra alone. Gelbaum is a member of the billionaire philanthropists' club, The Giving Pledge, which if the Jewish news press I check regularly is correct, over half its members are Tribesmen.

    Here's Brenda Walker's series at VDARE, the only place to my knowledge retaining this extremely important episode in the US environmental movement.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-2005-sierra-series-by-brenda-walker-0

    Read those stories and you'll see that many weapons of mass media destruction today hauled out against President Trump were range-tested on Sierra back then.
  4. @Rob McX
    How did the SPLC get to be the Microsoft of anti-white hate groups? There are countless organisations jostling with each other in the war against white people, yet this one seems to get the lion's share of donations.

    But do you know many Jewish astronomers? They’re the real neo-Nazis these days, according to the SPLC.

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    • Replies: @Abe
    Steve re-Tweeted a funny thing the other day (sorry my reader software is crappy, so not easy for me to dig it up):

    SJW's-

    2015: Open the borders!

    2025: Make cell membranes permeable!

    2035: Thermodynamic equilibrium for all!
  6. What would be interesting to research is if the $LPC are fronting any Volags that profit from the resettlement of refugees to the US. The Clinton Foundation, through its complex web of entities, had a few, and did so at a time when HRC was in a position to influence … no, let me correct that … to make US policy with respect to acceptance and resettlement of refugees.

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  7. “California appeared to witness a rise in hate last year.”

    But that rise in hate last year was not enough for Donald J. Trump to carry California in last year’s presidential election. Get back to me when these hate groups start to have an effect on California’s voting habits. Hate groups are useless if they are not coming out in mass numbers to vote against The Democratic Party. Hate groups are uesless if they are not going to make California red again.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I think its the pressure cooker effect. Its radicalizing individuals because they're forced to be in contact with uber-liberals all the time, but they don't have enough votes to do anything about it.
  8. Parenthetically, note that Richard Cohen the President/CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center and Morris Dees the Chief Trial Counsel are anything but impoverished – each being paid over $400,000 a year in total compensation.

    Note too that Janet Murguía, “political activist” and President of the the Hispanic advocacy organization the National Council of La Raza, is also paid over $400 Grand. Members of the La Raza “Board of Corporate Advisors” include Big Agriculture, Big Food Processing and Big Fast Food who want cheap immigrant labor to work their fields, processing plants and fast food restaurants.

    Fighting for the “oppressed” and then retiring to The Palm for thick steaks, double martinis and self-congratulations. It’s good to be them…

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  9. Be careful what you wish for. If the SPLC is to begin spending down the three hundred million it is currently sitting on, it must find even more dissidents to sue, harass, and malign.

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  10. Any other line of though might raise the question of whether the reason that the SPLC has $302,800,000 in financial assets is because it could be thought of as America’s most lucrative hate group.

    And they say that Trump and the Republicans profit off of whipping up fear among the population!

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  11. Jacques Cousteau, PBS’s beloved explorer and naturalist, was a eugenicist.

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  12. In the futurist/transhumanist scene in the SF Bay Area eugenics is not a taboo subject.

    Wondering why H+ magazine, IIET, transhumanity.net, for that matter even the LessWrong/SSC/EA-rationality sphere haven’t yet been declared hate groups by the SPLC. I mean RationalWiki is pretty much the only properly kosher organization there.

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  13. Real estate will rot in the fields.

    Deportation orders threaten Trump’s own turf: the real estate market

    Immigrants ‘represent a large share of the demand supporting house values’, says a demographics expert amid warnings the system could be tested

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/trump-deportation-immigrants-real-estate

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    • Replies: @Jimi
    Higher labor demand and lower housing prices. What a horror!
    , @Jimi
    I just checked out the SLPC "hate map" to see how NYC is doing.

    Surprisingly there are about 6 Black separatist groups, KKK in Hamptons, and a racist printing press with 6 pamphlets and a PO Box in Grand Central.
  14. “troubling remarks about race and eugenics”

    Is “troubling” the new “problematic”? Buzzwords do get stale after a while.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Please, please! For those of us who are genuinely troubled by such things, it's cause for rejoicing that they didn't use the preposition "concerning" as an adjective.
  15. Has anybody ever sued the SPLC for defamation? I know I would.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    With the right Justice Department the SPLC, and a whole host of other left foundations could find themselves in a world of trouble.
    , @SnakeEyes
    If Hulk Hogan could take down Gawker for a few hundred million in damages for some illicit bedroom footage, why can't someone go after SPLC for it's $300 million? Being a racist - let alone a (gasp!) hate monger - is the worst thing ever isn't it? Peter Thiel heeds to team up with the astronomy professor for another defamation lawsuit.
  16. @Rob McX
    How did the SPLC get to be the Microsoft of anti-white hate groups? There are countless organisations jostling with each other in the war against white people, yet this one seems to get the lion's share of donations.

    Elderly cat ladies giving large donations…..

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  17. @Rob McX
    How did the SPLC get to be the Microsoft of anti-white hate groups? There are countless organisations jostling with each other in the war against white people, yet this one seems to get the lion's share of donations.

    It is an easy citation for the media, just go to the SPLC website and cut and paste. The massive endowment also helps give them visibility.

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  18. But do you know many Jewish astronomers? They’re the real neo-Nazis these days, according to the SPLC.

    Space travel is just another form of white flight.

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  19. Even Obama should make the list of haters…he notable restricted Syrian refugees to just 10,000 in 2015 and admitted just 5,000 that year. He even used extreme vetting when he announced his program to accept 10,000 refugees , stating it would take 24 months to vet the Syrian refugees.

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  20. SPLC is always quoted as if it were some even-handed, objective source of information like, oh, Google. LOL. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They’ve always been a far left intelligence operation dedicated to smearing and destroying anyone on the right who they choose to target. Count your blessings if you’ve avoided their attention.

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    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn't exactly objective.
  21. @JackOH
    The same SPLC reported two or three "hate groups" in my area, which I know very well. The groups do not exist. I occasionally attend my local gun and knife shows. There's no recruiting for anything resembling a "hate group".

    They’ve cornered your local market.

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  22. @Buffalo Joe
    Jacques Cousteau, PBS's beloved explorer and naturalist, was a eugenicist.

    He might have gained some insight from his brother Pierre-Antoine.

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  23. Zuckerman wants to limit immigration to benefit the Americans already here? I like Zuckerman better than that Zuckerberg SOB. Who has more power, Zuckerberg or Zuckerman?

    We are heading for Civil War II. Mass immigration will bring civil war to the USA.

    President Trump should impose a moratorium on all immigration into the United States. President Trump should deport all illegal alien invaders.

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  24. Mr. Potok attributed the determination in part to troubling remarks about race and eugenics made by people formerly linked to the group.

    Does the SPLC have no shame?

    To ask is to answer.

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  25. How anyone can take seriously a news publication which straight-facedly opens articles with sentences like, “X appeared to witness a rise in hate last year.” What’s “hate?” Nevermind. “Appeared?” You can’t even definitively say the make-believe thing (hate) rose (whatever that means)? Or say to whom it appeared to rise (the SPLC)?

    No, just gonna dangle that out there.

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  26. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I don’t see any problem with the idea of hate groups.

    It all depends on what you hate and why.

    It’s natural for whites to hate demographic displacement and PC that demean them.

    SPLC and MSM say whites must love their own demise and displacement. If not, whites are haters. I say fine. Whites should hate those who mean them harm. Only idiots love or are indifferent to their demographic displacement.

    The fact is ALL groups are hate groups.They have their loves but also their hates.
    But the discourse has been rigged so that only certain kinds of hate make for designated ‘hate groups’.

    Russians understandably hate Nazism and globalism because both were predicated on destruction of Russian national independence and sovereignty. I see nothing with that kind of hate.
    All true nationalists must hate globalism that hates national independence and integrity based on organic exclusion as protection against invasive inclusion.

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  27. I remember thinking the SPLC went too far when they put Ben Carson on their list of dangerous extremists. Unfortunately, the SPLC’s influence has probably grown after Trump was elected.

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  28. Does anyone know what ethnic group founded and runs the SPLC??? Surely it’s a Swedish organization, right?

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    I met some of these fine folks in the '90s ... they were a fairly diverse group of white folk back then. I see they have added a bit of colour to their diversity.

    https://www.splcenter.org/about/staff
    , @Jake
    Philosemite John Derbyshire and his nearly as philosemitic pal Peter Brimelow, both Englishmen, usually find reason to blame the Irish. They like Swedes because of that Germanic thing.

    Yiddish. of course, is Germanic, with Hebraic flourishes.
    , @JohnnyD
    @AndrewR
    Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC is actually a regular white southerner. He basically realized that you could make a lot of money in the "fighting hate" business.
    , @Gabriel M
    You can't make this up. In a post about a Jew who has dedicated much of his life to opposing open-borders, almost certainly at great personal and professional cost, all half the commenters can think to do is *notice* things about Jews that either have been pointed out millions of times before or aren't true. It's psychotic really.
  29. @The Alarmist
    What would be interesting to research is if the $LPC are fronting any Volags that profit from the resettlement of refugees to the US. The Clinton Foundation, through its complex web of entities, had a few, and did so at a time when HRC was in a position to influence ... no, let me correct that ... to make US policy with respect to acceptance and resettlement of refugees.

    Pardon my lysdexia … I meant $PLC.

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  30. Even NYT, to their credit, acknowledges some of the controversy around SPLC and that they are widely criticized for using “hate group” labeling in unreasonable fashion.

    SPLC classified any groups advocating lower immigration as a hate group. This horrified some moderate liberals. They also call any immigration restriction/reduction advocacy as “anti-immigrant” or “immigrant bashing”. Just like selective universities boast of their high rejection rates, but aren’t considered anti-student hate groups, there are reasonable arguments for restricting immigration that aren’t immigrant bashing hate.

    Popular public political intellectual Sam Harris, who identifies as a liberal, is horrified at the SPLC for labeling Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz as “anti-Muslim extremists”.

    I’ve told my moderate liberal friends that SPLC is the real hate group, and they generally agree.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Too late now but it probably would've been a good idea to nominate Ayaan for a cabinet post, to get Democrat senators on the record voting against her.
  31. @AndrewR
    Does anyone know what ethnic group founded and runs the SPLC??? Surely it's a Swedish organization, right?

    I met some of these fine folks in the ’90s … they were a fairly diverse group of white folk back then. I see they have added a bit of colour to their diversity.

    https://www.splcenter.org/about/staff

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  32. @Jefferson
    "California appeared to witness a rise in hate last year."

    But that rise in hate last year was not enough for Donald J. Trump to carry California in last year's presidential election. Get back to me when these hate groups start to have an effect on California's voting habits. Hate groups are useless if they are not coming out in mass numbers to vote against The Democratic Party. Hate groups are uesless if they are not going to make California red again.

    I think its the pressure cooker effect. Its radicalizing individuals because they’re forced to be in contact with uber-liberals all the time, but they don’t have enough votes to do anything about it.

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  33. I’m sure the $PLC could be hit with RICO or something similar, in the “I could indict a ham sandwich” mold of legal thinking.

    I mean its basically a protection racket. “Real nice neighborhood you got here… be a shame if there were a few hate groups in the vicinity. Maybe toss us a few shekels and we make ‘em go away, capiche?”

    Take their $300 mill and toss it in the Wall fund.

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  34. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/JayFivekiller/status/834622435697758210

    Steve re-Tweeted a funny thing the other day (sorry my reader software is crappy, so not easy for me to dig it up):

    SJW’s-

    2015: Open the borders!

    2025: Make cell membranes permeable!

    2035: Thermodynamic equilibrium for all!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Various people on Twitter are working on themes like:

    True equality demands the heat death of the universe.

    Equality require Entropy.

  35. But does Professor Zuckerman support unlimited, endless, infinite immigration?

    No.

    Immigration law enforcement and limitation advocates need to expose mainstream “pro immigration” advocates for what they truly are – open border and “nationlessness” advocates. A very simple way to do this is to ask them in a very conspicuous way and in a very public setting, “What, in your mind, would constitute too much immigration?” And ask for specific numbers as a metric, whether it be a percentage increase over current levels or an absolute number. They will likely give neither, as they don’t believe there’s such a thing as too much immigration. This might wake up those who are more or less apolitical on immigration as to what’s really going on.

    The US currently has 1/5 of all the world’s immigrants living here. So, we should ask pro-immigration policy makers, “Should the US have 1/3 of all the world’s immigrants? 1/2 of the world’s immigrants? 3/4? Give us a number.”

    Most people recognize that there’s such a thing as too much of anything that’s good for you. Food. Medicine. Even liberty. Why is it that immigration is the only thing in the world that’s exempt from this reality? The only thing in the world that has no practical limitations?

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    This could be useful to try. Good ideas.

    I suggest people experiment with this idea, too: The United States should receive a portion of the territory of a foreign country proportionate to the number of people who migrate here from that country.
  36. @AndrewR
    Does anyone know what ethnic group founded and runs the SPLC??? Surely it's a Swedish organization, right?

    Philosemite John Derbyshire and his nearly as philosemitic pal Peter Brimelow, both Englishmen, usually find reason to blame the Irish. They like Swedes because of that Germanic thing.

    Yiddish. of course, is Germanic, with Hebraic flourishes.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Jake,

    You state that Peter Brimelow usually finds reasons to blame the Irish.

    Hopefully this blame would not have transferred to either his late Irish Canadian or his current Irish American wives!
  37. @BB753
    Has anybody ever sued the SPLC for defamation? I know I would.

    With the right Justice Department the SPLC, and a whole host of other left foundations could find themselves in a world of trouble.

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    https://www.rt.com/usa/378374-lapd-cop-teen-anaheim/

    Next Prog Trope or Progrope.

    “No human is illegal” is now passe.
    The new slogan is “No human is trespasser”.

    Let anyone walk all over your private property.

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  39. The Quilliam Foundation – a British Muslim anti-extremism think tank – has been listed as a hate group by SPLC.

    That alone should puncture its credibility.

    One wonders how much of that $300 million comes from the Sauds.

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  40. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “We just have a view that too many people for a given environmental carrying capacity is just not good.”

    This could be an effective approach taken by immigration restrictionists to promote their views. Thus, it needs to be nipped in the bud. So how about calling these views, “The Greening of Hate”? That should effectively put an end to such discussions.

    I first realised that the right wing was attempting to penetrate the mainstream environment movement when I sat on a panel at an environmental meeting in the University of Oregon in 1994. Beside me was a professor and environmentalist, Virginia Abernethy of Vanderbilt University in Tennessee. She seemed to me to blame immigrants for overpopulating our country and destroying our environment. Some of the audience liked her ideas but I thought they were racist.

    I started to investigate and found she wasn’t alone among conservationists. She was a leader of the group called the Carrying Capacity Network, which sounds like a benign environmental organisation but its main campaign is to halt what it calls mass migration to the US. They blame migrants for destroying pristine America. For instance, they blame Mexican migrants for starting fires in national forests near the border.

    PS. Another interesting point is found in this phrase from above, “she wasn’t alone among conservationists…., which sounds like a benign environmental…”

    There probably is a distinction between conservationists and environmentalists. The former seem to be driven by a desire to preserve the natural environment for posterity while the latter are rabid left-wingers whose motives are political control.

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  41. @Laugh Track
    SPLC is always quoted as if it were some even-handed, objective source of information like, oh, Google. LOL. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They've always been a far left intelligence operation dedicated to smearing and destroying anyone on the right who they choose to target. Count your blessings if you've avoided their attention.

    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn’t exactly objective.

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    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn’t exactly objective.
     
    Yeah, kinda my point, in passing.
  42. @Abe
    Steve re-Tweeted a funny thing the other day (sorry my reader software is crappy, so not easy for me to dig it up):

    SJW's-

    2015: Open the borders!

    2025: Make cell membranes permeable!

    2035: Thermodynamic equilibrium for all!

    Various people on Twitter are working on themes like:

    True equality demands the heat death of the universe.

    Equality require Entropy.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Great line, that last one. I've not heard of heat death outside of iSteve so I don't know if that one has legs.
  43. @AndrewR
    Does anyone know what ethnic group founded and runs the SPLC??? Surely it's a Swedish organization, right?


    Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC is actually a regular white southerner. He basically realized that you could make a lot of money in the “fighting hate” business.

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    • Replies: @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.
  44. @Jake
    Philosemite John Derbyshire and his nearly as philosemitic pal Peter Brimelow, both Englishmen, usually find reason to blame the Irish. They like Swedes because of that Germanic thing.

    Yiddish. of course, is Germanic, with Hebraic flourishes.

    Jake,

    You state that Peter Brimelow usually finds reasons to blame the Irish.

    Hopefully this blame would not have transferred to either his late Irish Canadian or his current Irish American wives!

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  45. @jimmyriddle
    The Quilliam Foundation - a British Muslim anti-extremism think tank - has been listed as a hate group by SPLC.

    That alone should puncture its credibility.

    One wonders how much of that $300 million comes from the Sauds.

    Also they listed Ayyan Hirsi Ali.

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  46. @George
    Real estate will rot in the fields.

    Deportation orders threaten Trump's own turf: the real estate market

    Immigrants ‘represent a large share of the demand supporting house values’, says a demographics expert amid warnings the system could be tested

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/trump-deportation-immigrants-real-estate

    Higher labor demand and lower housing prices. What a horror!

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  47. @George
    Real estate will rot in the fields.

    Deportation orders threaten Trump's own turf: the real estate market

    Immigrants ‘represent a large share of the demand supporting house values’, says a demographics expert amid warnings the system could be tested

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/trump-deportation-immigrants-real-estate

    I just checked out the SLPC “hate map” to see how NYC is doing.

    Surprisingly there are about 6 Black separatist groups, KKK in Hamptons, and a racist printing press with 6 pamphlets and a PO Box in Grand Central.

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  48. @JohnnyD
    @AndrewR
    Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC is actually a regular white southerner. He basically realized that you could make a lot of money in the "fighting hate" business.

    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It’s remarkable that he hasn’t gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he’s conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Bob Weissberg posted the following yesterday on the Dalton School thread:


    A result of years listening to fund raising appeals. Take my word for it–if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works
     
    .
    , @SFG
    They think he's on the side of the angels, I guess?
    , @Opinionator
    But he is advancing the narrow aggressive interests of their tribe. It's the elderly Gentiles who have gotten suckered.
    , @JohnnyD
    Even more amazing is that Dees worked for George Wallace in the late 1950s and even defended a Klansman in the early 1960s. He basically has no principles other than making money. I think liberal Jews see the SPLC as also fighting for their interests, so they don't really care if Morris Dees isn't Jewish. Also, the ADL has done pretty well for itself, so who cares if a gentile makes millions in the "fighting hate" racket?
    , @snorlax
    "I saw him in that pie movie and I thought he was a Jew."

    – Woody Allen
  49. @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

    Bob Weissberg posted the following yesterday on the Dalton School thread:

    A result of years listening to fund raising appeals. Take my word for it–if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works

    .

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  50. @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

    They think he’s on the side of the angels, I guess?

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  51. @J1234

    But does Professor Zuckerman support unlimited, endless, infinite immigration?

    No.
     

    Immigration law enforcement and limitation advocates need to expose mainstream "pro immigration" advocates for what they truly are - open border and "nationlessness" advocates. A very simple way to do this is to ask them in a very conspicuous way and in a very public setting, "What, in your mind, would constitute too much immigration?" And ask for specific numbers as a metric, whether it be a percentage increase over current levels or an absolute number. They will likely give neither, as they don't believe there's such a thing as too much immigration. This might wake up those who are more or less apolitical on immigration as to what's really going on.

    The US currently has 1/5 of all the world's immigrants living here. So, we should ask pro-immigration policy makers, "Should the US have 1/3 of all the world's immigrants? 1/2 of the world's immigrants? 3/4? Give us a number."

    Most people recognize that there's such a thing as too much of anything that's good for you. Food. Medicine. Even liberty. Why is it that immigration is the only thing in the world that's exempt from this reality? The only thing in the world that has no practical limitations?

    This could be useful to try. Good ideas.

    I suggest people experiment with this idea, too: The United States should receive a portion of the territory of a foreign country proportionate to the number of people who migrate here from that country.

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  52. @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

    But he is advancing the narrow aggressive interests of their tribe. It’s the elderly Gentiles who have gotten suckered.

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  53. @Steve Sailer
    Various people on Twitter are working on themes like:

    True equality demands the heat death of the universe.

    Equality require Entropy.

    Great line, that last one. I’ve not heard of heat death outside of iSteve so I don’t know if that one has legs.

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  54. @Rob McX
    How did the SPLC get to be the Microsoft of anti-white hate groups? There are countless organisations jostling with each other in the war against white people, yet this one seems to get the lion's share of donations.

    Morris Dees is in the Hall of Fame of the Direct Marketing Association [i.e., junk mail].

    He’s a force of nature.

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    And like a force of nature he is going to be stopped by another force, a force more powerful...Death.

    (of natural causes).
  55. @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

    Even more amazing is that Dees worked for George Wallace in the late 1950s and even defended a Klansman in the early 1960s. He basically has no principles other than making money. I think liberal Jews see the SPLC as also fighting for their interests, so they don’t really care if Morris Dees isn’t Jewish. Also, the ADL has done pretty well for itself, so who cares if a gentile makes millions in the “fighting hate” racket?

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  56. According to that profile of him, Professor Zuckerman is a board member of the Sierra Club. Perhaps he grew tired of their unwillingness to ever bring up immigration (since they received that large gift on the condition that they never do so).

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  57. @Massimo Heitor
    Even NYT, to their credit, acknowledges some of the controversy around SPLC and that they are widely criticized for using "hate group" labeling in unreasonable fashion.

    SPLC classified any groups advocating lower immigration as a hate group. This horrified some moderate liberals. They also call any immigration restriction/reduction advocacy as "anti-immigrant" or "immigrant bashing". Just like selective universities boast of their high rejection rates, but aren't considered anti-student hate groups, there are reasonable arguments for restricting immigration that aren't immigrant bashing hate.

    Popular public political intellectual Sam Harris, who identifies as a liberal, is horrified at the SPLC for labeling Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz as "anti-Muslim extremists".

    https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/791486713579249664

    I've told my moderate liberal friends that SPLC is the real hate group, and they generally agree.

    Too late now but it probably would’ve been a good idea to nominate Ayaan for a cabinet post, to get Democrat senators on the record voting against her.

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  58. @CJ
    Yes, I was quite surprised to discover some years ago that Morris Dees was NOT Jewish. It's remarkable that he hasn't gotten more pushback from Jews for the millions he's conned out of elderly members of the tribe.

    “I saw him in that pie movie and I thought he was a Jew.”

    – Woody Allen

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  59. @BB753
    Has anybody ever sued the SPLC for defamation? I know I would.

    If Hulk Hogan could take down Gawker for a few hundred million in damages for some illicit bedroom footage, why can’t someone go after SPLC for it’s $300 million? Being a racist – let alone a (gasp!) hate monger – is the worst thing ever isn’t it? Peter Thiel heeds to team up with the astronomy professor for another defamation lawsuit.

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  60. @B.B.
    Benjamin Zuckerman co-wrote a book on the Fermi paradox with Michael H. Hart. Hart wrote Understanding Human History, which dealt with history from a hereditarian perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if Zuckerman is concerned about the racial demographic implications of mass immigration, but is pursuing the issue exclusively in terms of environmental justice and economic equality for PR reasons. That is not to say that Zuckerman doesn't truly believe those aren't legitimate reasons to oppose mass immigration in itself, but it will certainly make life easier for him at UCLA to avoid discussing the racial angle.

    Wrong.

    Ben Zuckerman’s view is based on population ecology. How far down the human population genetics road he takes it is open to interpretation; I can’t say I recall him ever “going racial.”

    But his approach in itself is completely valid: too many humans rapidly becoming a bunch more humans is an adequate focus. Now factor in r- and K-population strategies there. It’s not even necessary to get racial about it: the two population strategies lead to very different population outcomes, de facto. White populations will regress to less or no growth–as neoreactionaries are constantly fretting, and asserting whites should be breeding like they’re from Niger.

    But, you see, in the late ’90s/early Aughts, Big Green’s billionaire “charitable” donors started connecting population control and racism in order to play on whites’ guilt and push for open borders/globalism. (This is one reason the “black bloc” was turned loose on the peaceful WTO demonstrators in Seattle in ’99 IMO–to associate in the public’s mind forever that “anti globalism” meant violence.)

    Ben was one of the intrepid membership-elected Sierra Club board members who tried desperately in the early Aughts to restore the organization’s policy area/focus on population and immigration issues.

    The other two were Paul Watson (Sea Shepherds) and Doug La Follette (Wisconsin Secretary of State and founder of Wisconsin’s Environmental Decade IIRC).

    It did not go well for the pro-population-sanity camp. All sorts of big guns were brought in to undermine and displace these democratically elected board members.

    Two of those big guns were Morris Dees’s SPLC and George Soros’s MoveOn.

    That’s right, Morrie Dees/SPLC has been trying to get Zuckerman’s nads in the wood vise for nigh onto 15 years now. Zuckerman is despised by the open borders crowd.

    When other population-sane candidates ran for Sierra Club board–Frank Morris, David Pimentel, and Dick Lamm–Sierra president Carl Pope lambasted them as “racists” and SPLC and MoveOn brought their mass mailing might to bear on pushing open borders and defeating the reformers.

    The real issue was that tech venture capitalist David Gelbaum had bought the Sierra Club for $100 million on the condition that Carl Pope and the club never talk about immigration (Gelbaum being a Jew married to a Mexican) or population.

    As of now Gelbaum’s black ink totals over $200 million to Sierra alone. Gelbaum is a member of the billionaire philanthropists’ club, The Giving Pledge, which if the Jewish news press I check regularly is correct, over half its members are Tribesmen.

    Here’s Brenda Walker’s series at VDARE, the only place to my knowledge retaining this extremely important episode in the US environmental movement.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-2005-sierra-series-by-brenda-walker-0

    Read those stories and you’ll see that many weapons of mass media destruction today hauled out against President Trump were range-tested on Sierra back then.

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    Thanks for your detailed analysis, which appears to be accurate in every specific. I used to donate to the Sierra Club, and this is exactly why I quit.

    It's been said that humans are like a cancer upon the globe, but given the likes of Soros and Gelbaum, we can add: some more than others.
  61. @TBA
    "troubling remarks about race and eugenics"

    Is "troubling" the new "problematic"? Buzzwords do get stale after a while.

    Please, please! For those of us who are genuinely troubled by such things, it’s cause for rejoicing that they didn’t use the preposition “concerning” as an adjective.

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  62. @Olorin
    Wrong.

    Ben Zuckerman's view is based on population ecology. How far down the human population genetics road he takes it is open to interpretation; I can't say I recall him ever "going racial."

    But his approach in itself is completely valid: too many humans rapidly becoming a bunch more humans is an adequate focus. Now factor in r- and K-population strategies there. It's not even necessary to get racial about it: the two population strategies lead to very different population outcomes, de facto. White populations will regress to less or no growth--as neoreactionaries are constantly fretting, and asserting whites should be breeding like they're from Niger.

    But, you see, in the late '90s/early Aughts, Big Green's billionaire "charitable" donors started connecting population control and racism in order to play on whites' guilt and push for open borders/globalism. (This is one reason the "black bloc" was turned loose on the peaceful WTO demonstrators in Seattle in '99 IMO--to associate in the public's mind forever that "anti globalism" meant violence.)

    Ben was one of the intrepid membership-elected Sierra Club board members who tried desperately in the early Aughts to restore the organization's policy area/focus on population and immigration issues.

    The other two were Paul Watson (Sea Shepherds) and Doug La Follette (Wisconsin Secretary of State and founder of Wisconsin's Environmental Decade IIRC).

    It did not go well for the pro-population-sanity camp. All sorts of big guns were brought in to undermine and displace these democratically elected board members.

    Two of those big guns were Morris Dees's SPLC and George Soros's MoveOn.

    That's right, Morrie Dees/SPLC has been trying to get Zuckerman's nads in the wood vise for nigh onto 15 years now. Zuckerman is despised by the open borders crowd.

    When other population-sane candidates ran for Sierra Club board--Frank Morris, David Pimentel, and Dick Lamm--Sierra president Carl Pope lambasted them as "racists" and SPLC and MoveOn brought their mass mailing might to bear on pushing open borders and defeating the reformers.

    The real issue was that tech venture capitalist David Gelbaum had bought the Sierra Club for $100 million on the condition that Carl Pope and the club never talk about immigration (Gelbaum being a Jew married to a Mexican) or population.

    As of now Gelbaum's black ink totals over $200 million to Sierra alone. Gelbaum is a member of the billionaire philanthropists' club, The Giving Pledge, which if the Jewish news press I check regularly is correct, over half its members are Tribesmen.

    Here's Brenda Walker's series at VDARE, the only place to my knowledge retaining this extremely important episode in the US environmental movement.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-2005-sierra-series-by-brenda-walker-0

    Read those stories and you'll see that many weapons of mass media destruction today hauled out against President Trump were range-tested on Sierra back then.

    Thanks for your detailed analysis, which appears to be accurate in every specific. I used to donate to the Sierra Club, and this is exactly why I quit.

    It’s been said that humans are like a cancer upon the globe, but given the likes of Soros and Gelbaum, we can add: some more than others.

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  63. @AndrewR
    Does anyone know what ethnic group founded and runs the SPLC??? Surely it's a Swedish organization, right?

    You can’t make this up. In a post about a Jew who has dedicated much of his life to opposing open-borders, almost certainly at great personal and professional cost, all half the commenters can think to do is *notice* things about Jews that either have been pointed out millions of times before or aren’t true. It’s psychotic really.

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    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Spare me. When people who think like Ben Zuckerman exceed 0.5% of the Jewish population, then we'll talk.
  64. @Steve Sailer
    Morris Dees is in the Hall of Fame of the Direct Marketing Association [i.e., junk mail].

    He's a force of nature.

    And like a force of nature he is going to be stopped by another force, a force more powerful…Death.

    (of natural causes).

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  65. @SnakeEyes
    If Hulk Hogan could take down Gawker for a few hundred million in damages for some illicit bedroom footage, why can't someone go after SPLC for it's $300 million? Being a racist - let alone a (gasp!) hate monger - is the worst thing ever isn't it? Peter Thiel heeds to team up with the astronomy professor for another defamation lawsuit.

    God YES!

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  66. Mr. Potok attributed the determination in part to troubling remarks about race and eugenics made by people formerly linked to the group.

    As I have mentioned a few times , the Eugenics movement was Lamarkian The most influential race and eugenics scientist by the mid 30′s was Ernest Hooton, who wanted sterilisation or isolation of undesirables; he was a thoroughgoing Lamarckian. Crucially, Hooton said a long established race (such as the American type) could not be altered by immigration, because the American environment would alter the immigrants’ genetic qualities toward American norms even if they married within their own immigrant community. The genes of every new influx would be modified to the inveterate type formed by the American environment and mode of life. Hence the American type population would subsume any amount of immigrants, because the similar environment would alter the immigrants’ genes with or without intermarriage. Genetic mixture of the American type population with new immigrants would be overborne by modification of the immigrant genes acquiring the characteristic of American genes.

    Moreover, the population they we actually targeting was problematic old American white individuals and populations, such as the Appalachians who had failed to alter for the better despite living in the US for hundreds of years, thereby showing themselves to be a pathological element not susceptible to Lamarckian environmental genetic modification. In accordance with Hooton, Aleš Hrdlička, wrote

    There is some justification therefore in speaking of the “American type” of white people. This is near the English, Irish and Scotch types, but is at least as different from any of these as these are different from each other. [...]. The Appalachian mountaineers, ranging from New York State to Alabama and numbering as many as 8,000,000, are the “sore on the American Continent,” in an anthropological sense .. something that needs the hearty attention of the biological and anthropological part of America.”

    The Kristols and the Brookss are the modern day Eugenicists, harking back to discredited biological theories to justify the replacement of what they deem degenerate elements.

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  67. @Gabriel M
    You can't make this up. In a post about a Jew who has dedicated much of his life to opposing open-borders, almost certainly at great personal and professional cost, all half the commenters can think to do is *notice* things about Jews that either have been pointed out millions of times before or aren't true. It's psychotic really.

    Spare me. When people who think like Ben Zuckerman exceed 0.5% of the Jewish population, then we’ll talk.

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    West Side of L.A. is home to Zuckerman, Stephen Miller, and Mickey Kaus. They are a minority but they are a lot more than 0.5%.
  68. @TomSchmidt
    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn't exactly objective.

    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn’t exactly objective.

    Yeah, kinda my point, in passing.

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  69. @AndrewR
    Spare me. When people who think like Ben Zuckerman exceed 0.5% of the Jewish population, then we'll talk.

    West Side of L.A. is home to Zuckerman, Stephen Miller, and Mickey Kaus. They are a minority but they are a lot more than 0.5%.

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  70. @Laugh Track

    Um, it IS as objective as Google. But then, Google isn’t exactly objective.
     
    Yeah, kinda my point, in passing.

    I had guessed.

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