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From the Montgomery Advertiser:

Southern Poverty Law Center won’t voluntarily recognize employee union
Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 4:59 p.m. CT Nov. 12, 2019 |

Southern Poverty Law Center management said Tuesday they would not voluntarily recognize a union organized by employees at the civil rights nonprofit and have hired a Virginia law firm whose website boasts about victories over labor organization attempts.

… The SPLC Union said in a statement Tuesday it was “disappointed” in the decision but that it would go through an election, if necessary.

“Management’s refusal to voluntarily recognize the union and decision to hire a law firm that specializes in ‘union avoidance strategies’ are counter to SPLC’s values,” the statement said. “The Center cannot truly claim to support workers’ rights, while also hiring a ‘union avoidance’ law firm to prevent its own workers from exercising our right to collective bargaining.”

SPLC employees formed the union after a year of turmoil in the civil rights organization that saw founder Morris Dees fired and several top executives, including President Richard Cohen and Legal Director Rhonda Brownstein, depart the SPLC.

The organization’s management have retained Hunton Andrews Kurth, a Richmond, Virginia-based law firm. The firm’s website says it advises businesses against “corporate campaigns” by unions, advocacy groups, and non-governmental organizations.

A message seeking comment was sent to Hunton Andrews Kurth on Tuesday. Amber Rogers, a labor relations attorney and partner in the firm, is advising SPLC management. She lists “union avoidance strategies” among her areas of expertise on her biography.

A message seeking comment was left with Rogers on Tuesday. Erik Olvera, a spokesman for SPLC, wrote Tuesday that Rogers “supports the work” of SPLC and “is one of the few women of color across the country, and black women in particular, who extensively practice labor law and possesses the type of experience we needed to guide us through this process.” …

Management signaled last week it would not voluntarily recognize the employees’ union. Under “Experience,” Hunton Andrews Kurth’s web page on labor management issues notes a “decisive victory” over the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW’s) attempt “to organize white-collar employees at a southeastern-based power company,” as well as an “overwhelming victory” over the IBEW in organizing nuclear power plant workers in North and South Carolina.

The firm has also hosted a webinar titled “Dodging Organized Labor’s One-Two Punch,” about micro-organizing rules that the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) promulgated during President Barack Obama’s term.

…The organization for decades has faced accusations of internal discrimination against employees of color, particularly in the area of promotion. Earlier this year, whites held most leadership positions in the organization. Turnover at the SPLC has been high. Dees’ firing in March followed the resignation of an assistant legal director at SPLC over racial and gender equity concerns….

SPLC had $492.5 million in assets on Oct. 31, 2018, according to its most recent 990 form.

 
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  1. The Clintons and the Obamas are licking their chops to vacation in the Cayman Islands and pick up a few cont. ed. credits in international banking.

  2. The asset number is too damn high.

  3. Unions for Me, but not for Thee?

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  4. This is like trying to decide who to root for in a fight between an asp and a scorpion.

  5. bomag says:

    Unions are now associated with Deplorables who expect to share in the country’s wealth.

    The question is: should the Deplorables be crushed completely; or should they just be crushed to the point of severe cripple-ness so the Goodthinkers can bask in the suffering?

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Trutherator
  6. My prescriptions are good for thee, but not for me.

    Pharisees in the temple.

  7. anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    What we have here is outside agitators stirring up the working people at SPLC.

    Outside agitators, I tell ya!

    • Replies: @Lugash
  8. Lot says:

    “ is one of the few women of color across the country, and black women in particular, who extensively practice labor law”

    False on many levels.

    Black women (and women generally) in corporate law firms are disproportionately in labor and employment law. Probably their single best area, with white-collar criminal defense and medical malpractice distant seconds.

    5 minutes on google will find dozens of high powered black woman corporate-side labor lawyers. One random example:

    https://www.littler.com/people/latoi-d-mayo

    Tax law, patent law, mergers and acquisitions, high end bankruptcy, is where there are virtually no WOC. Not even Asian women.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  9. Ed says:

    Unions are usually organized around a skill, trade or industry. Which of these things would a SPLC organize around and what would that thing be?

  10. So, is Rogers a black Republican, or a really greedy Democrat?

  11. @Ed

    The shakedown industry.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  12. Paul says:

    The SPLC has no principles. It is all about the $$.

  13. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Alinsky says always make the opposition live up to its own rules. ROTFLMAO.

  14. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey, $492.5 million doesn’t go as far as it used to.

  15. seems to be since they probably have the market cap of some silicon valley firms, that they are ripe for cannibalization by the progressive left…

    • Replies: @Clyde
  16. Bubba says:

    SPLC had $492.5 million in assets on Oct. 31, 2018, according to its most recent 990 form.

    Who thought so much money could be made selling white-guilt indulgences?

    • LOL: Alden
  17. The problem is that there just aren’t unions around for every type of skill. These hardworking people at the Southern Poverty Law Center, though they get up at 10 O’clock at night, half an hour before they went to bed, walk 15 miles each way, uphill, for tupence a month in the dark damp offices, do not really have an organization to represent them.

    They will need to form something new and appropriate for this difficult, demanding, but very specific trade – say the Society of Hate-seeking Youth Stopping The Extreme Rhetoric and Shit, with a Master Executive Council in Montgomery to interface with the Teamsters local 189 for the outsourcing of such services as strike protection and precision sports-venue burial work.

    How is this even gonna work anyway? I hope they’re ready and able to throw bricks through the windshields of cars of the scabs that bust through during strikes to prevent a complete hate-loss on the line. This just-in-time stuff can wreak havoc.

  18. The “P” in SPLC refers to the financial well being of their janitors.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  19. Alfa158 says:
    @Ed

    Industry would be more than just literal industry, as in manufacturing, and could therefore encompass any organized enterprise.
    In that case I would say that they are organizing around an industry, the Anti-White industry. It’s one of the USA’s latest, thriving areas of growth and opportunity. This industry does have a limited long term future since it will eventually go the way of the whale oil and bison rug industries, but for the immediate future it still offers excellent career opportunities. Anyone is eligible to join in and you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work in it, in fact excessive intelligence and awareness is probably a handicap.

  20. Unions are usually organized around a skill, trade or industry. Which of these things would a SPLC organize around and what would that thing be?

    • LOL: Jim bob Lassiter
    • Replies: @reactionry
  21. A few years ago when discussing Antifa violence on reddit, a self-proclaimed Antifa activist admitted the “special relationship” between the SPLC and Antifa. Antifa is a terrorist organization, and the SPLC is its legal front group. Pretty much the same sort of relationship as between the IRA and Sein Feinn.

    Sailer has done great work exposing Morris Dees’ grift.

    Unfortunately, conservatives – the dumbest people in America – still say, “oh, the SPLC used to do good work against the KKK, but now they have gone too far.” No. The SPLC was a grift from the very start, simply a for-profit venture more lucrative than Dees’ earlier direct mail company. Various Southerners were pioneers in direct mail, likely because of the more rural nature of the South made it more cost-effective than Northern-style urban door-to-door campaigning and marketing.

    Sailer has pointed out how the name “SPLC” was likely chosen to mimic Martin Luther King’s old group SCLC, confusing donors who likely assumed they were the same, or allied, groups. Sailer also pointed out that the Civil Rights movement had already “won” and the actual Ku Klux Klan was already destroyed by the time Dees started the SPLC.

    So, no, conservatives – the SPLC was never “good” – it was always a scam and a front group for leftist terrorism.

    Like the ADL, virtually 100% of the “mainstream” media takes the SPLC at face value and represents them as some sort of “neutral” “civil rights” group fighting “hate.” It is anything but “neutral” – it is an anti-white, anti-Christian far-left lobby with a terrorist arm.

    Why is it that virtually the entire mass media, TV stations and newspapers, pretend that the ADL and the SPLC are “neutral” non-profits that “fight hate?”

    I suspect that the SPLC outlived their usefulness when they started attacking socially conservative Christians who didn’t support same-sex marriage. Finally, the Republicans started – timidly – to fight back.

    Of course, the real problem is not the SPLC, the real problem is the mass media who amplify their smears and actively encourage Antifa terrorist violence.

    https://bannedhipster.home.blog/

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @fnn
  22. @Ed

    Fried Chicken Sandwich Workers of America

  23. B36 says:

    We need a wealth tax on “non-profit” organizations.

  24. Modern companies are woke in all but one way. Whole divisions were dedicated to diversity. That wasn’t enough, so they added inclusion divisions as well. (National Parks and Recreation Services has tagged “Relevancy” on, not sure if that is a trend or if it goes by the natural abbreviation ORDI (Office of Relevancy, Diversity, and Inclusion) which I would pronounce “Or Die.”)

    But despite being woke in so many ways, progressive companies continue to be anti-union to the core.

    We see this today as news about Southern Poverty Law Center comes out. They hire an anti-union form and refuse to voluntarily recognize the union.

    With the spotlight on, SPLC will squirm to not fight back too hard, but we can be sure that its leaders surely want no part of a union representing its employees. Neither does Amazon or Walmart.

    Big or small, for profit or for tax purposes, few woke organizations want to honor the first workplace civil right. Perhaps that’s why Congress never seems to find a way to give some teeth to the NLRA or at least replace its broken dentures.

  25. Whitney says:

    Hey Steve, it’s black women and hair and not exercising. I’m sure you will enjoy this

    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2019/11/14/Hair-care-a-barrier-to-exercise-for-black-women-study-says/3881573769159/?sl=11

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Steve on his Twitter feed retweeted a Claire Lehmann tweet showing a slide from a presentation by an organization in Washington called Washington STEM.

    The Seattle schools were recently in the news for a new math curriculum that teaches woke math, i.e., that math is racist. Washington STEM pushes that kind of stuff, including this slide that explicitly says that differences in group outcome can only be because of racist bigotry, and that school employees have a responsibility to see to it that data collected cannot be used for racist purposes. I’m not sure where this is going, but it sounds like a combination of not collecting, obfuscating, or falsifying data, while simply of giving black kids grades they don’t deserve to equalize their averages with white and Asian kids.

    At any rate, another thing caught my interest. I have noticed the prevalence of blacks in the news who have law degrees, but do not work in the law. Not working in the law seems to be the norm for blacks with law degrees (am I using data to notice bigoted things?).

    The new director of Washington STEM, Angela Jones, graduated from Gonzaga Law School about four years ago, never passed (or took?) the bar, is not a member of the Washington Bar Association, yet proudly uses JD after her name. Her time spent after law school was in university administration roles at a small Washington college.

    Law schools seem to have developed a black path by which black students are unflunkable and are guided through the school and ejected on the other end. Some pass the bar and spend a couple of years in a glorified paralegal role. Some go directly into non law jobs like Ms. Jones.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @Ed
  27. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:

    From the Montgomery Advertiser:

    Steve, I’m sure it was just an oversight on your part, but in the future when linking to articles please link to the article on the subject in a major outletslike the New York Times or the Washington Post. The Montgomery Advertiser is just a local fish wrap. I want to read the well-researched, penetrating, democracy-dies-in-darkness, fit-to-print journalistic takes of the major bastions of truth. I’m sure they covered this, right?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  28. @Anon

    “Montgomery Advertisers” reporters drink in the same bars as SPLC employees. That’s how they came up with the idea for their 1994 investigative report into the less publicized aspects of the SPLC.

    • Replies: @Couch scientist
  29. @Couch scientist

    But despite being woke in so many ways, progressive companies continue to be anti-union to the core.

    When the Marxist Jews fleeing European fascism came to America, they weren’t going to work digging ditches or farming. And WASP oligarchs like the Rockefellers weren’t going to pay them to agitate for Communism, or even for old-fashioned labor unions agitating for higher wages.

    So what did they do? They turned class-struggle Marxism into “cultural Marxism.”

    Instead of “class” being defined as your relationship to the means of production – the class struggle meaning the class that owned the means of production against the class that sold their labor for money – “class” was instead defined as “social class.”

    So instead of working class Americans vs. the Rockefellers, the Marxist Jews working for the Rockefeller made “class struggle” into a “struggle” of white women vs. white men. Whites vs. blacks. Straights vs. gays.

    This was not just compatible with Rockefeller capitalism, it was extremely useful to Rockefeller capitalists. Ethnic diversity and feminism were great at destroying working class solidarity.

    Too bad the short-sighted WASPs like the Rockefellers apparently didn’t realize that these cultural Marxist Jews could – and would – use this to completely replace the Rockefeller WASP elite with themselves as the new Jewish elites.

    Ironically – or not – we see now that these cultural Marxist Jews are themselves being replaced by various Black, Indian, Latinx and even LGBT elites that couldn’t care less about the apartheid regime of Jew bigotry in Zionist-occupied Palestine.

    Who cares about six million Jews dying in “the Holocaust?” 600 million niggas on those slave ships in the African Hellacaust!

    Who cares about German Jews in 1940? What about millions of Indigenous Latinx slaughtered by Columbus?

    The cultural Marxist Jews find themselves on the wrong side of history and being pushed down the victim hierarchy. Sure, maybe some Yankee WASP could be white-guilted for not letting your Uncle Schlomo into the Presbyterian golf club, but Lee Chin, “Michael” Patel, and Trayvon Jefferson don’t give a damn.

    History marches on.

  30. Barnard says:
    @Ed

    That is what I was wondering. What is the purpose of the union? I wonder if the SPLC’s stupid donors will side with management or the employees.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  31. @Reg Cæsar

    Well-Off-To-Wealthy Penthouse Bolshevik New Economic Policy Clinton-Obama-Sanders-Schiff-SPLC types did some Katyn-picking out of forests suitable for “…mass executions of about 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia…”
    To decry those massacres and request an investigation of them was to be guilty of corruption, obstruction of justice, bribery, extortion, intimidation of witnesses, engaging in an unethical quid pro quo and seeking personal-political gain by slandering the deep Soviet State because Hitler was literally Trump.

    [MORE]

    (A Mid-Schumer Night’s Wet
    Dream)
    Stalin, Stalin, burning bright
    Katyn forests of the night
    – William “Fake News” Blake

    Wynken, Blynken and Nod one night
    Sailed off on the Aral Sea
    Ran aground and found cotton
    For slaves to pick for free
    – Eugene “Poppycock Ned Flanders” Field

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

  32. Lurker says:
    @BannedHipster

    Why is it that virtually the entire mass media, TV stations and newspapers, pretend that the ADL and the SPLC are “neutral” non-profits that “fight hate?”

    For similar reasons the mass media pretend they themselves are neutral.

  33. Lurker says:
    @Couch scientist

    It’s positively Orwellian! The Ministry of Relevancy is concerned with irrelevancy.

  34. We want more people like us there! Diversity. Now we are here, but we don’t feel like we are part of it! Inclusion. We are here and we are part of this, but the organization doesn’t have the goal of helping my people. Relevancy. Once the org is diverse, inclusive, and relevant it is fully subverted

  35. @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps that’s why the important jobs at SPLC seem to be going to Atlanta.

  36. “Union Avoidance”

    Spelled M-G-T-O-W.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  37. Anon[690] • Disclaimer says:

    This is the ultimate irony. SPLC is a union buster. Ha! Even grabby Morris didn’t try to sic lawyers on his own employees.

  38. Anon[690] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whitney

    Nonsense. Haircare is very good for exercising those arm muscles. When you spend an hour a day with your arms held over your head screwing around with your hair, it’s a real workout. Just try holding your arms over your head for 10 minutes. It’s exhausting. Upper arm exercises increase your testosterone levels (whereas lower body exercises like walking do not), and that’s how Michelle got those toned arms. It’s also may be why (ahem) black women have higher testosterone than white women.

    • LOL: Liza
  39. Lugash says:
    @anon

    Outside agitators, from Up North?

    LOL.

  40. Lugash says:
    @Anon

    Whites with law degrees not working in law(voluntarily or involuntarily) is a thing as well.

    I’ve also noticed STEMish undergrad degrees being used as a filter for entry level business hiring. Math, biology, an occasional physics majors from mid level universities. I think the general business degrees, liberal arts and MBA programs don’t have any useful signal anymore that an applicant knows anything.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Redneck farmer
    , @Anon
  41. Clyde says:
    @a guy named me

    seems to be since they probably have the market cap of some silicon valley firms, that they are ripe for cannibalization by the progressive left…

    We can only hope and the sooner the better. Come on radical Dem numbnutz. Bring forks and knives !…. Free feasting on Morris Dees’ soon to be corpse.

  42. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT;

    https://www.wired.com/story/how-dumb-design-wwii-plane-led-macintosh/

    The examples slid back and forth on a scale of tragedy to tragicomic: pilots who slammed their planes into the ground after misreading a dial; pilots who fell from the sky never knowing which direction was up; the pilots of B-17s who came in for smooth landings and yet somehow never deployed their landing gear. And others still, who got trapped in a maze of absurdity, like the one who, having jumped into a brand-new plane during a bombing raid by the Japanese, found the instruments completely rearranged. Sweaty with stress, unable to think of anything else to do, he simply ran the plane up and down the runway until the attack ended.

    Fitts’ data showed that during one 22-month period of the war, the Air Force reported an astounding 457 crashes just like the one in which our imaginary pilot hit the runway thinking everything was fine. But the culprit was maddeningly obvious for anyone with the patience to look. Fitts’ colleague Alfonse Chapanis did the looking. When he started investigating the airplanes themselves, talking to people about them, sitting in the cockpits, he also didn’t see evidence of poor training. He saw, instead, the impossibility of flying these planes at all. Instead of “pilot error,” he saw what he called, for the first time, “designer error.”

    The reason why all those pilots were crashing when their B-17s were easing into a landing was that the flaps and landing gear controls looked exactly the same. The pilots were simply reaching for the landing gear, thinking they were ready to land. And instead, they were pulling the wing flaps, slowing their descent, and driving their planes into the ground with the landing gear still tucked in. Chapanis came up with an ingenious solution: He created a system of distinctively shaped knobs and levers that made it easy to distinguish all the controls of the plane merely by feel, so that there’s no chance of confusion even if you’re flying in the dark.

    By law, that ingenious bit of design—known as shape coding—still governs landing gear and wing flaps in every airplane today. And the underlying idea is all around you: It’s why the buttons on your videogame controller are differently shaped, with subtle texture differences so you can tell which is which. It’s why the dials and knobs in your car are all slightly different, depending on what they do. And it’s the reason your virtual buttons on your smartphone adhere to a pattern language.

    The Macintosh was actually a step backward from its predecessors at Xerox PARC and Symbolics in a few ways, but it did move the graphical interface forward as well in several novel ways.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  43. Hunton Andrews Kurth’s web page on labor management issues notes a “decisive victory” over the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW’s) attempt “to organize white-collar employees at a southeastern-based power company,” as well as an “overwhelming victory” over the IBEW in organizing nuclear power plant workers in North and South Carolina.

    Tell me the Sister was first chair on a case where they kep the Bruthas down.

  44. @Anonymous

    The pilots were simply reaching for the landing gear, thinking they were ready to land. And instead, they were pulling the wing flaps, slowing their descent, and driving their planes into the ground with the landing gear still tucked in.

    They never heard of “down and locked” landing gear lights? How about squat switches (a little later probably) for the opposite move on the ground?

  45. Anon[999] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    Yes, of course. For every black there is a corresponding white person, because the bell curve for blacks tucks nicely into the left side of that for whites. But for every white, for instance at Harvard Law, there isn’t a corresponding black. Every year you get the new Ivy grads at New York white shoes. Two or three years later all the blacks are gone, and some of the whites are gone, while other whites are on partner track.

    When Richard Sander first began writing about law school mismatch (blacks being admitted to schools above what their LSATs merit), a big problem was blacks washing out. Now they don’t wash out. The same kids manage to graduate. The law schools see to that. The rubber hits the road when the black graduates get jobs, not in law school.

    You’d think that delayed rubber-roading would be bad for the debt-burdened black law grads, and I think it is for most. But these non profit directorship type jobs are probably a pretty good gig. Another common gig for law firm wash-out blacks is, get this, law school professorships. Every school has a few of these guys on faculty.

  46. @Lugash

    Sending your daughter to law school so she finds a man to support her is a thing, though people deny it.

  47. @Anon

    Michelle Obama is an informative example: she got into Harvard Law School despite being only moderately smart, then she failed to pass the relatively easy Illinois bar exam during her first opportunity, then passed it during her second try. She got hired by a Big Law Chicago firm, Sidley Austin. It quickly became clear she wouldn’t make partner, but she got assigned to mentor a much more promising Harvard Law student named Barack Obama, who had, presumably, scored in the 94th or 98th percentile on the LSAT, married him, and then soon dropped out of the legal profession to go to work for Valerie Jarrett in the Richie Daley civic administration.

    • Replies: @gary
  48. Paul says:

    Crafty of the SPLC to hire a black woman to do union busting.

  49. Ed says:
    @Anon

    Time to decolonize the bar exam I suppose.

    Seriously though the % of blacks lawyers and doctors has been pretty constant for 100 years. I remember Buckley, during a debate with Baldwin, citing a statistic that the % of blacks doctors was the same as it was in 1900. The debate occurred in 1960s. A few years ago the NYT said the number of black male doctors was the same as it was in the late 70s.

  50. @Anon

    Yes, and many companies and most of the large firms are hiring diversity officers, which is a natural fit for washouts. With woke companies forcing diversity on the firms they hire, law firms are scrambling to find some way to retain them.

  51. Whoever thought of that idea probably saw “Hamilton” demonstrating the virtues of woke capital.

    As Sailer said regarding Jackson:

    “But since standing up for the implicitly white little guy is racist, we now stand up for the big guy. (Who is almost always white. Funny how that works…)”

  52. fnn says:
    @BannedHipster

    I’m pretty sure National Lawyers Guild is the main legal front group for Antifa.

  53. Kyle says:

    While it’s ironic that they are against their own workers forming a labor union, I actually agree with SPLC brass. These workers don’t deserve a labor union. The organization is essentially a massive junk mail scam grafting off of the good hearts and deep wallets of SWPL types. Often these SWPL can’t tell the difference between the SPLC and the SCLC, who’s initials the SPLC are meant to evoke. Labor unions are good for laborers who are actually productive members of society. SPLC grunts are not productive members of society, they don’t deserve pensions or bank loans, and they sure as hell don’t deserve a labor union.

  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Couch scientist

    But despite being woke in so many ways, progressive companies continue to be anti-union to the core.

    The wokeness of big business is just a way of keeping workers divided and demoralised and easily exploited. Wokeness is a right-wing plot, not a left-wing plot.

    • Replies: @SFG
  55. gary says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    How in the hell did Obama score in mid to upper 90th percentile on the LSAT with

    IQ of 105? Affirmative action got him into college and law school. email me

    your opinion please.

  56. Neoconned says:

    This message forum I used to post on let ppl like your posts. When Bush was president my pro union posts would get 10 plus likes.

    Starting round 2011 this shrill libertarian sjw neocon startedposting calling ppl who didn’t support gay marriage neo Nazis…he was a Hitchenite freak….anyway round that time I noticed people stopped liking my union posts & focused instead on gay this, trans that, women’s rights this….at that point, around 2012, I knew it was over.

  57. Trutherator says: • Website
    @bomag

    Assembly is a right recognized in the Bill of rights. Forced dues collections of outvoted members is pur theft.

  58. Mr. Anon says:
    @Barnard

    I wonder if the SPLC’s stupid donors will side with management or the employees.

    Who says the SPLC’s donors are stupid? The bigger ones, anyway. Maybe the SPLC is delivering the exact service that its’ donors pay them for.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Rob McX
  59. Muggles says:

    Note to SPLC workers: “Strike! Strike! Strike!.”

  60. SFG says:
    @dfordoom

    I’d say it’s a plot by businessmen to distract the left wing from things that might be more injurious to their bottom line, like forming unions, raising wages, and making it harder to move capital overseas.

    Right-wing? Depends on your definition of the term. I’d say ‘elite right-wing’, ‘plutocratic’, or ‘oligarchic’, as right-wing populists are anti-woke.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  61. Barnard says:
    @Mr. Anon

    They bring in more than they spend every year. The donors are paying for high salaries and padding the endowment. Maybe that is what they want, but seems unlikely for most.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  62. Bubba says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is that a transvestite support group?

  63. anarchyst says:

    In the 1970s, Detroit Teamsters Local 299 (yeah, Jimmy Hoffa’s local) secretarial staff made attempts to unionize.

    The Teamsters union opposed their unionization.

    It was hilarious to see the office staff walking around with picket signs outside of the union headquarters on Trumbull Street.

  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Barnard

    Maybe that is what they want, but seems unlikely for most.

    Maybe the donors want a group defining what is and what is not hate (especially for law enforcement agencies). Maybe they want an organization that stifles and villifies any dissent by groups that advocate implicitly white (gentile) interests. Maybe they’re happy to pay a large premium for that. You want results, you pay for them.

  65. So you must be in favor of SPLC. Because you are against unions.

    Against unions. Could anyone be dumber? Against unions. Sheeziz.

  66. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    I’ve also noticed STEMish undergrad degrees being used as a filter for entry level business hiring. Math, biology, an occasional physics majors from mid level universities.

    I think the general business degrees, liberal arts and MBA programs don’t have any useful signal anymore that an applicant knows anything.

    Good point. Undergraduate business majors were always a joke, a place for the people who flunked out of everything else. Education majors are the same. Maybe psych fits in there also. And now you have all the “studies.” I think history is also pretty much a goner at this point, based on a young relative of mine who ended up there.

    The key point is that it’s not that the major indicates “that an applicant knows anything,” but rather how intelligent, as in IQ, an applicant is. If you can believe Bryan “Open Borders” Caplan, who reviewed education research in depth for his previous book, students don’t learn much in college, however bright they are, with the exception of some STEM students learning specific STEM stuff.

    Nevertheless, there are STEM “reforms” underway that will require a closer look by employers at STEM degrees. I would want to see a class-by-class transcript, checking especially for advanced math classes, and eventually it may be necessary to check on professors, since there are woke math professors who allow take-home, open-book, student-collaboration-okay exams now.

  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @SFG

    I’d say it’s a plot by businessmen to distract the left wing from things that might be more injurious to their bottom line, like forming unions, raising wages, and making it harder to move capital overseas.

    Right-wing? Depends on your definition of the term. I’d say ‘elite right-wing’, ‘plutocratic’, or ‘oligarchic’, as right-wing populists are anti-woke.

    Broadly speaking I agree.

    The problem with right-wing populists is that for the most part they are fully supportive of the same economic/political ideologies that the right-wing plutocrats support. They are generally in favour of union-busting, they are generally supportive of the right of employers to pay starvation wages if they can get away with it, they are generally supportive of free trade and they’re more paranoid about even the slightest suspicion of socialism than they are about predatory capitalism. Right-wing populists cling to the belief that class doesn’t matter.

    Most right-wing populists think they can have capitalism without the wokeness, but it’s not possible. The wokeness is inherent in capitalism. Capitalism will always use all available methods to keep the lower classes divided and demoralised, and they’ve discovered that wokeness is absolutely the best method for doing that ever devised. The plutocrats will never give up such a useful weapon. They will never give up on identity politics because it serves their purposes perfectly.

    You cannot get rid of wokeness without getting rid of the plutocracy. And right-wing populists won’t do that because that would be communism!

    The problem cannot be solved without borrowing some of the ideas of old-fashioned Old School leftism. Even perhaps one or two vaguely socialistic ideas. But right-wingers head for the fainting couch when they hear such suggestions. The fact is that the Right does not have the answers.

  68. @Lot

    That’s because tax, patents, mergers, acquisitions, and bankruptcy are difficult matters, requiring facility with mathematics and sophisticated, abstract thinking to account for multiple, interdependent contingencies; so-called employment discrimination law is voodoo schucking and jiving on par with Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer’s emotional pleas that clients who slip and fall in supermarkets are entitled to no less than one million dollars in punitive damages and one million dollars in compensatory damages, because, “ladies and gentlemen and zhirpersons of the jury, there are five white managers and no managers of color – I rest my case!”

    (Some areas of labor and employment law can be quite complicated – untangling violations of the ERISA, for instance – but the kind being talked about here – so called “discrimination” – are no more than shrill repetitions of “black blackety black!”)

  69. Rob McX says:
    @Mr. Anon

    White genocide doesn’t come cheap.

  70. It is gratifying to learn that the Southern Propaganda and Lies Center is not exactly beset by poverty – and is apparently willing and able to carefully husband its loot. Wouldn’t do to waste it on the working stiffs.

  71. nebulafox says:
    @dfordoom

    Economic Right and Cultural Left: two sides of the same toxic coin. I will give the old fashioned socialists credit where it is due, they would have been appalled at the idea of attacking the classics and Western culture in general: they were ideologically, after all, very much a product of Western culture and philosophy, as much as old line conservatives. They (mostly) wanted to change the West’s economic system, not abolish or utterly socially transform society. By contrast, I cannot see any coherent goal from the New Left other than permanent revolution, one that Corporate America would love to fuel because the resulting social atomization increases their power.

    This needs to be hammered home, again and again and again. The battle is no longer between natural liberals and natural conservatives, it is between those who want to turn the United States into a giant anarchic box store and those who don’t.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  72. @HammerJack

    Unions for Me, but not for Thee?

    Workers‘ rights are civil rights. Human rights, even.

    Oy vey.

  73. @dfordoom

    The problem with right-wing populists is that for the most part they are fully supportive of the same economic/political ideologies that the right-wing plutocrats support.

    This is true in terms of narrative options promoted by the establishment media — both “liberal” and “conservative” — and in terms of the choices presented by the [donor-driven] agendas of the establishment political parties. That’s how the kosher sandwich works: “Choose this one, or that one, goy!”

    But in terms of the actual electorate? What regular people want? It’s just another long-discredited semitic canard:

    Bottom right is “woke capital” and “Dude, weed bro” lolbertarians. Huh. See how popular that combination (muh “fiscally conservative, socially liberal”) is in the real world?

    Top left? Uh, those people don’t exist — in terms of The Narrative, anyway.

    It’s just as true to point out that shitlibs fight much harder for unrestrained non-white invasion, chemical castration of children, drag queen story hour, mandatory buttseks, and the poz in general than for leftist economic policies.

    @nebulafox

    Economic Right and Cultural Left: two sides of the same toxic coin.

    They [old fashioned socialists] (mostly) wanted to change the West’s economic system, not abolish or utterly socially transform society.

    Here’s black Marxist Adolph Reed Jr. with an interesting take on the tranny insanity (and on identity politics in general). I don’t agree with much of his worldview, but at least he makes some effort to be an internally consistent social constructionist.

    Of course, none of this really matters once a society achieves truly toxic levels of vibrant diversity,…because people are too focused on the interests of their racial/ ethnic identity group to worry about ideological or class issues.

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