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In the South African parliament at Cape Town, Julius Malema’s Marxist-Fanonian Economic Freedom Fighters party in red squared off against security in white.

Parliamentary brawls are always fun. (Which East Asian country has the best? Taiwan?) And the African love of primary colors adds a lot to this one.

I especially like the interpreter in the lower right corner translating the Parliamentary brawl into Sign Language. It strikes me as a very 21st Century South African touch.

 
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  1. Alterorbis says: • Website

    In 1914, there was some slight controversy in Britain after an American was chosen to manage the Great Western Railways. Punch published an amusing cartoon with the legend ‘The Government brings some new talent to the Commons’, showing leopard-wearing Africans and Native Indians slouching on the front bench. There’s nothing so ridiculous that won’t eventually come true..

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    • Replies: @Glossy
    This reminded me of something the Derb once wrote about:

    At some point in the 1920s or 1930s some British politician proposed that Britain recognize the Soviet Union. Churchill, who was against that, replied in gest "then why not legalize sodomy?"

    , @MBlanc46
    "There's nothing so ridiculous...." I'll be using that. Thanks.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is another political reality that could only have been predicted decades ago by a satirist. He's something an anti-Hippie cartoonist would have come up with circa 1970.
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  2. What you might see as an indecorous, comic display of disorder in the South African parliament, was in fact an effective ritual which partly satisfied all ‘stakeholders’ without inflicting serious injury on anyone, or destroying property.

    The Speaker allowed members of the EFF to fulminate for an hour, while the President waited patiently to begin his speech. Considering that they had had long enough to say their piece, she called in unarmed security to evict them, which they did, both parties displaying the right amount of pushing and shoving to save face. Disorderly demonstrations in America are not generally solved in this ritualistic give-and-take way.

    As for the notorious sign language speaker: he should have been awarded a medal- his gobbledegook was definitely a cut above politicians’ all too comprehensible bullshit.

    Leslie Melville

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    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros' logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn't have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    So it's just like when two bighorn sheep go at it and butt heads until one gives up and walks away. Great. A bunch of animals.

    Also reminds me of how black apologists try to explain how African inter-tribal slavery was so much more humane and harmless than what transpired when they sold their brothers to whites.

    I say BS to that.

    Oh, and yeah, we've all heard by now how black kids in school just need to be loud and late.

    Sorry, cultural and racial relativism are both dead, dead, dead.

  3. The South Korean parliament holds excellent bouts of legislative violence. Makeshift barricades of tables and chairs are erected to prevent votes from taking place, and then chainsaws and sledgehammers are used to break back in. They stage podium rushes as well to prevent voting, kind of like games of capture the flag. The female MPs get into it, too. My personal fav was in 2011 when an MP set off tear gas in the voting chamber to prevent the confirmation of the Korea-US FTA. It passed anyway.

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  4. The South Koreans have the occasional good dust-up. I would imagine their cousins in the North are at least as good, but modesty keeps them from sharing with the decadent West.

    I think we could liberate the Norks by massive airdropping of iToys and selfie sticks to distract their overly-serious populace. We just have to show them how:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmCpTzA6SKc

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    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    The generally well-behaved Japanese occasionally produce parliamentary punching.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/world/japanese-lawmakers-brawl-parliament-floor-article-1.2365557
  5. I’m struck by how much better-behaved they are than our Marxist-Leninists. BTW, are they all clones? It looks like a hundred instances of the same stout, bald-headed black guy.

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  6. @Leslie Melville
    What you might see as an indecorous, comic display of disorder in the South African parliament, was in fact an effective ritual which partly satisfied all 'stakeholders' without inflicting serious injury on anyone, or destroying property.

    The Speaker allowed members of the EFF to fulminate for an hour, while the President waited patiently to begin his speech. Considering that they had had long enough to say their piece, she called in unarmed security to evict them, which they did, both parties displaying the right amount of pushing and shoving to save face. Disorderly demonstrations in America are not generally solved in this ritualistic give-and-take way.

    As for the notorious sign language speaker: he should have been awarded a medal- his gobbledegook was definitely a cut above politicians' all too comprehensible bullshit.

    Leslie Melville

    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros’ logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn’t have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.

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    • LOL: Dahlia
    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Our congress is rather staid, sensitive, and too earnest, and I always looked with admiration toward the British Parliament as a superior alternative. On the other hand, Leslie points out that South Africa has its charms.
    , @SFG
    They're too old and out of shape. And the women would come off at a disadvantage.
    , @Pericles
    It does open up some new vistas in law making.

    "Bob here is a strapping young man, suitable for the Democrats offensive line."
    , @27 year old
    >Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters,

    Maybe we should just replace congress with a hockey game altogether. Permanent structural advantage for Whites. Bill it as a "Canadian-inspired governance reorganisation, to be more like Canada, and fairness" or something.

  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    When the FT’s Africa correspondent David Piling interviewed a young, rising South African politician, the restaurant bill surprised him, because he was charged for the meals of several party members eating at different tables. Same thing happened when he interviewed the president of Liberia, IIRC.

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  8. biz says:

    OT – The other day a Georgetown professor named Jonathan Brown, who appears to be a white Muslim convert, gave a lecture supporting slavery, including sexual abuse and sex slavery (when done by Muslims, of course). Various people are starting to get outraged, but of course 1/1 trillionth as outraged as if a non-Muslims had said something positive about sex slavery on a college campus.

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    You can find more of his lectures on the beauty of Islam at:

    https://www.halaltube.com/speaker/jonathan-brown
    , @BenKenobi
    Modern day Jo[h]n Brown gives thumbs-up to slavery!!
  9. The Ukraine excels at this sort of thing.

    Arseniy “Yats” Yatsenyuk being given a bunch of carnations and a fireman’s lift was especially funny.

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  10. AndrewR says:

    Tbh this needs to happen more here. Nothing could be more gratifying than seeing scum like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Ted Cruz, Dianne Feinstein, John Lewis (pbuh), or Nancy Pelosi getting BTFO’d.

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  11. Dahlia says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros' logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn't have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.

    Our congress is rather staid, sensitive, and too earnest, and I always looked with admiration toward the British Parliament as a superior alternative. On the other hand, Leslie points out that South Africa has its charms.

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    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    The UK parliament is a testimony to that fine British tradition of borderline Asperger's, as even a 10 second speech is interrupted by numerous catcalls and insults. (One of the symptoms of Asperger's is an inability to wait your turn to speak.) Trump's upcoming visit should really test their poor impulse control.
    , @Leslie Melville
    Hi. Bit late in the day. Better idea for Whitehouse working clothes would be red or blue burkas ( cheap, in bulk, from China). Would remove any possible variety of race or sexual discrimination, and solve the great lavatory dilemma- red or blue doors. Might be trouble with the cultural appropriation brigade, but think of the egalitarian simplicity of it.

    Reduce speaking time for both parties on any issue to one hour. If the gavel is ignored, call up security (crisp white shirts, well-pressed black pants- no need to disguise them as everyone will hate them) to evict offenders.

    Out in the street is a different matter: enormous crowds of the Resisted encounter a smattering of the Resisters, whom even robocops are unable to protect. No rule-based ritual solution to this that I can see.
  12. Dahlia says:

    Steve, I have to ask if someone added extra sounds to that video because that was awful; it sounded down right simian (starting around 1:20).

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    • Replies: @J1234

    it sounded down right simian (starting around 1:20).
     
    There have been some Chuck E. Cheese video brawls with similar sounds, as I recall, so I doubt that it's dubbed. I like how the white representatives are just standing there without much alarm, like, "Oh, okay...I guess we're having another one of these episodes."
  13. slumber_j says:

    It takes a village! Usually one has to go to Chuck E. Cheese’s for this sort of thing, but evidently the South Africans have had the vision and spirit to nationalize it. Good for them!

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    The SAf parliament compared to a Chuck E. Cheese in (or near) a melanin-enhanced neighborhood. Very good.
  14. ganderson says:

    Everything the most doctrinaire Broederbond member said would happen if apartheid was dismantled has come to pass. Shocker, no?

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    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    Into the 1980s, lots of respected authorities, including the Royal Geographical Society, expected that South Africa would soon be partitioned along racial lines. The vast bulk of Cape Province would be a white homeland - and probably for Cape Coloureds as well.
    The reasons why this never happened has never been fully explained. You would have thought at least some Government members would have favoured and supported this option.
    In the event, de Klerk et al threw in the towel. Even the 1992 referendum was highly dishonest. "Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on 2 February 1990 and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation."
    Most White Voters fully expected a further referendum once negotiations were complete , quite naturally. It never happened. As I say, the full story of this squalid episode is unwritten.
    I shouldn't need to warn Europeans and North Americans that similar things might happen to them if they're not careful.
  15. Glossy says: • Website
    @Alterorbis
    In 1914, there was some slight controversy in Britain after an American was chosen to manage the Great Western Railways. Punch published an amusing cartoon with the legend 'The Government brings some new talent to the Commons', showing leopard-wearing Africans and Native Indians slouching on the front bench. There's nothing so ridiculous that won't eventually come true..

    This reminded me of something the Derb once wrote about:

    At some point in the 1920s or 1930s some British politician proposed that Britain recognize the Soviet Union. Churchill, who was against that, replied in gest “then why not legalize sodomy?”

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  16. isn’t the house of commons two sword lengths plus x feet apart because brawls were so common? And didn’t an american congressman get ‘caned’ by another during a heated debate on slavery?

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Preston Brooks, D-SC caned Charles Sumner R-MA.
    Apocryphal story is that Andrew Johnson, when he was VP, presided at Senate sessions by pulling out a pair of pistols and laying them down on each side of the podium.
    Those were the good old days.
    , @duncsbaby
    First brawl in the U.S. Congress was in 1798. A cane & fire tongs were the weapons of choice. This is why fire tongs are no longer allowed in the Congress.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence#United_States
  17. @Dahlia
    Our congress is rather staid, sensitive, and too earnest, and I always looked with admiration toward the British Parliament as a superior alternative. On the other hand, Leslie points out that South Africa has its charms.

    The UK parliament is a testimony to that fine British tradition of borderline Asperger’s, as even a 10 second speech is interrupted by numerous catcalls and insults. (One of the symptoms of Asperger’s is an inability to wait your turn to speak.) Trump’s upcoming visit should really test their poor impulse control.

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  18. SFG says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros' logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn't have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.

    They’re too old and out of shape. And the women would come off at a disadvantage.

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  19. berserker says:

    “lower right corner translating the Parliamentary brawl into Sign Language”
    - I hope he is more qualified than the chap at Mandela’s funeral.

    - On a more positive note, I noticed that the South Africans have a beautiful national anthem: https://youtu.be/TdG7pEgzV5Q

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  20. Coming soon to a country near you!

    Up until about 1990 or so South Africa was a first world country with rule of law and a booming economy. They even had the Bomb. Now it’s all been swept away. (The Bomb too, thank God!)

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    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @Barnard
    I have thought the men who made the decision to dismantle the South African nuclear program should have been given a Nobel Peace Prize. They would have been the most deserving receipients of the last 25 years.
    , @NickG

    Up until about 1990 or so South Africa was a first world country with rule of law and a booming economy.
     
    South Africa has never been a first world country. Though it is true that economic growth was far better pre 1990, despite being a pariah state subject to sanctions.

    I've been in SA since 1993, I also spend alot of time in the UK, so my persepctive is less than entirely parochial. I even got to vote in the fist all race elections in April 94 - permanent residents were granted the vote.

    SA is a weird hybrid of first and third World. It was in 1990 and it still is now. The problems SA has now - mainly stemming from low economic growth - follow on from rampant cronyism, government corruption, over manning, draconian legally mandated affirmative action, which ends up being mandated incompetence. Dealing with this can make one loose the will to live.

    There is also much white talent flight - mostly heading to the rest of the Anglosphere - they don't call it Perthfontein for nothing.

    Despite all this, SA is easily one of the best tourist destinations in the World and tremendous value - it's a stunning, amazingly varied place. But one must never forget.... TIA - this is Africa!

    There are a few signs of hope amid the gloom. The Western Cape - in which Cape Town is located, is governed reasonably competently by the DA - Democratic Alliance, who have after recent elections won municipalities in Pretoria and Johannesburg.

  21. kek says:

    The African Blacks would be better off learning how to farm the land they confiscated from the White settlers who successfully built them. Furthermore successful self governance takes intelligence and grit, two of the rarest commodities in Africa.

    http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/05/02/90-black-farms-failing-in-south-africa/

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  22. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/02/how-i-learned-about-blacks/

    South Africans are more evolved.

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2017/02/black-and-white-differences-in-sports-african-medicine/

    We only got ‘marriage equality’.

    They got that and ‘medical equality’. No more Eurocentrism.

    “The supervisor archly reminded me that “traditional medicine” was now officially legalized. Witchdoctors (now called healers) routinely called on and treated their patients in well-equipped first-world facilities.”

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    • Replies: @Langley
    Science Must Fall?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14
  23. MBlanc46 says:
    @Alterorbis
    In 1914, there was some slight controversy in Britain after an American was chosen to manage the Great Western Railways. Punch published an amusing cartoon with the legend 'The Government brings some new talent to the Commons', showing leopard-wearing Africans and Native Indians slouching on the front bench. There's nothing so ridiculous that won't eventually come true..

    “There’s nothing so ridiculous….” I’ll be using that. Thanks.

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  24. MBlanc46 says:
    @slumber_j
    It takes a village! Usually one has to go to Chuck E. Cheese's for this sort of thing, but evidently the South Africans have had the vision and spirit to nationalize it. Good for them!

    The SAf parliament compared to a Chuck E. Cheese in (or near) a melanin-enhanced neighborhood. Very good.

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  25. Langley says:
    @Anon
    https://www.amren.com/features/2017/02/how-i-learned-about-blacks/

    South Africans are more evolved.

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2017/02/black-and-white-differences-in-sports-african-medicine/

    We only got 'marriage equality'.

    They got that and 'medical equality'. No more Eurocentrism.

    "The supervisor archly reminded me that “traditional medicine” was now officially legalized. Witchdoctors (now called healers) routinely called on and treated their patients in well-equipped first-world facilities."

    Science Must Fall?

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The mullata is right in this case. Too many Africans are simply not ready for the White Man's technology, agriculture, medicine, weapons and science. They are turning Africa into a Malthusian nightmare, and great horrors will inevitably ensue in both Africa and the cuckolded West as Africa crashes on the way to a population of 3 Billion.
    The best thing for Africans would be for Western and Asian people, technology and commerce to pull completely out of Africa and let it revert to the sustainable, Green lifestyle that Africans have superbly evolved for. They can then develop, or not, along natural paths. I and a shark are both perfectly evolved to our respective environments. Put each of us in the other's environment and we both die.
    , @AndrewR
    The Western mind pales compared to the decolonized Zulu intellect.
  26. Alfa158 says:
    @oh its just me too
    isn't the house of commons two sword lengths plus x feet apart because brawls were so common? And didn't an american congressman get 'caned' by another during a heated debate on slavery?

    Preston Brooks, D-SC caned Charles Sumner R-MA.
    Apocryphal story is that Andrew Johnson, when he was VP, presided at Senate sessions by pulling out a pair of pistols and laying them down on each side of the podium.
    Those were the good old days.

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    • Replies: @IAmCorn
    In addition to that I once read of an incident that occurred in the 1830s or 1840s where a Congressman's pistol he kept in a drawer discharged accidentally or through mechanical fault. Within a second an observer noted "that 50 to 60 Congressmen had hit the floor and a dozen more had drawn pistols in the air."

    Good times indeed.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The Andrew Johnson story dates from his campaign for the presidency in 1855. It is said that on one occasion he appeared before an audience, one of whose members had threatened his life. When he took the podium, he laid a pistol on a table beside him. “Fellow citizens,” he said,”I have been informed that part of the business to be transacted on the present occasion is the assassination of the individual who now has the honor of addressing you. I beg respectfully to propose that this be the first business in order. Therefore if any man has come here tonight for the purpose indicated, I do not say to him let him speak, but let him shoot.”
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Your Johnson story reminds me of a story told about the fighting abolitionist, Cassius Marcellus Clay. During the campaign of 1848, Clay continued to speak out against slavery despite threats of violence. According to a widely told story, he once took his place on the speakers’ platform before a hostile audience and declared, “For those who support the laws of our country, I have an argument from this,” and placed a copy of the Constitution on the table beside him.

    “For those who believe in the Bible,” he went on, “I have an argument from this,” placing a Bible on the table.

    “And for those who believe in neither the laws of God nor of man, I have this argument,” and he pulled two long-barreled pistols out of his carpetbag, laid them on the table, laid his bowie knife across them, and proceeded to give his speech.
  27. Alfa158 says:
    @Langley
    Science Must Fall?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    The mullata is right in this case. Too many Africans are simply not ready for the White Man’s technology, agriculture, medicine, weapons and science. They are turning Africa into a Malthusian nightmare, and great horrors will inevitably ensue in both Africa and the cuckolded West as Africa crashes on the way to a population of 3 Billion.
    The best thing for Africans would be for Western and Asian people, technology and commerce to pull completely out of Africa and let it revert to the sustainable, Green lifestyle that Africans have superbly evolved for. They can then develop, or not, along natural paths. I and a shark are both perfectly evolved to our respective environments. Put each of us in the other’s environment and we both die.

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  28. AndrewR says:
    @Langley
    Science Must Fall?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    The Western mind pales compared to the decolonized Zulu intellect.

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  29. IAmCorn says:
    @Alfa158
    Preston Brooks, D-SC caned Charles Sumner R-MA.
    Apocryphal story is that Andrew Johnson, when he was VP, presided at Senate sessions by pulling out a pair of pistols and laying them down on each side of the podium.
    Those were the good old days.

    In addition to that I once read of an incident that occurred in the 1830s or 1840s where a Congressman’s pistol he kept in a drawer discharged accidentally or through mechanical fault. Within a second an observer noted “that 50 to 60 Congressmen had hit the floor and a dozen more had drawn pistols in the air.”

    Good times indeed.

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  30. J1234 says:
    @Dahlia
    Steve, I have to ask if someone added extra sounds to that video because that was awful; it sounded down right simian (starting around 1:20).

    it sounded down right simian (starting around 1:20).

    There have been some Chuck E. Cheese video brawls with similar sounds, as I recall, so I doubt that it’s dubbed. I like how the white representatives are just standing there without much alarm, like, “Oh, okay…I guess we’re having another one of these episodes.”

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  31. CCZ says:
    @biz
    OT - The other day a Georgetown professor named Jonathan Brown, who appears to be a white Muslim convert, gave a lecture supporting slavery, including sexual abuse and sex slavery (when done by Muslims, of course). Various people are starting to get outraged, but of course 1/1 trillionth as outraged as if a non-Muslims had said something positive about sex slavery on a college campus.

    You can find more of his lectures on the beauty of Islam at:

    https://www.halaltube.com/speaker/jonathan-brown

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  32. @Leslie Melville
    What you might see as an indecorous, comic display of disorder in the South African parliament, was in fact an effective ritual which partly satisfied all 'stakeholders' without inflicting serious injury on anyone, or destroying property.

    The Speaker allowed members of the EFF to fulminate for an hour, while the President waited patiently to begin his speech. Considering that they had had long enough to say their piece, she called in unarmed security to evict them, which they did, both parties displaying the right amount of pushing and shoving to save face. Disorderly demonstrations in America are not generally solved in this ritualistic give-and-take way.

    As for the notorious sign language speaker: he should have been awarded a medal- his gobbledegook was definitely a cut above politicians' all too comprehensible bullshit.

    Leslie Melville

    So it’s just like when two bighorn sheep go at it and butt heads until one gives up and walks away. Great. A bunch of animals.

    Also reminds me of how black apologists try to explain how African inter-tribal slavery was so much more humane and harmless than what transpired when they sold their brothers to whites.

    I say BS to that.

    Oh, and yeah, we’ve all heard by now how black kids in school just need to be loud and late.

    Sorry, cultural and racial relativism are both dead, dead, dead.

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    • Replies: @Langley
    "Sorry, cultural and racial relativism are both dead, dead, dead."

    A professor at Georgetown University is teaching his students that men do not need consent to have sex with women, and that slavery is justifiable under Islamic teachings.

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/georgetown-islamic-studies-professor-slavery-ok-so-is-non-consensual-sex/
  33. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Alterorbis
    In 1914, there was some slight controversy in Britain after an American was chosen to manage the Great Western Railways. Punch published an amusing cartoon with the legend 'The Government brings some new talent to the Commons', showing leopard-wearing Africans and Native Indians slouching on the front bench. There's nothing so ridiculous that won't eventually come true..

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is another political reality that could only have been predicted decades ago by a satirist. He’s something an anti-Hippie cartoonist would have come up with circa 1970.

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  34. BenKenobi says:
    @biz
    OT - The other day a Georgetown professor named Jonathan Brown, who appears to be a white Muslim convert, gave a lecture supporting slavery, including sexual abuse and sex slavery (when done by Muslims, of course). Various people are starting to get outraged, but of course 1/1 trillionth as outraged as if a non-Muslims had said something positive about sex slavery on a college campus.

    Modern day Jo[h]n Brown gives thumbs-up to slavery!!

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  35. Pericles says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros' logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn't have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.

    It does open up some new vistas in law making.

    “Bob here is a strapping young man, suitable for the Democrats offensive line.”

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  36. @Alfa158
    Preston Brooks, D-SC caned Charles Sumner R-MA.
    Apocryphal story is that Andrew Johnson, when he was VP, presided at Senate sessions by pulling out a pair of pistols and laying them down on each side of the podium.
    Those were the good old days.

    The Andrew Johnson story dates from his campaign for the presidency in 1855. It is said that on one occasion he appeared before an audience, one of whose members had threatened his life. When he took the podium, he laid a pistol on a table beside him. “Fellow citizens,” he said,”I have been informed that part of the business to be transacted on the present occasion is the assassination of the individual who now has the honor of addressing you. I beg respectfully to propose that this be the first business in order. Therefore if any man has come here tonight for the purpose indicated, I do not say to him let him speak, but let him shoot.”

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  37. Langley says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    So it's just like when two bighorn sheep go at it and butt heads until one gives up and walks away. Great. A bunch of animals.

    Also reminds me of how black apologists try to explain how African inter-tribal slavery was so much more humane and harmless than what transpired when they sold their brothers to whites.

    I say BS to that.

    Oh, and yeah, we've all heard by now how black kids in school just need to be loud and late.

    Sorry, cultural and racial relativism are both dead, dead, dead.

    “Sorry, cultural and racial relativism are both dead, dead, dead.”

    A professor at Georgetown University is teaching his students that men do not need consent to have sex with women, and that slavery is justifiable under Islamic teachings.

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/georgetown-islamic-studies-professor-slavery-ok-so-is-non-consensual-sex/

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  38. Barnard says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Coming soon to a country near you!

    Up until about 1990 or so South Africa was a first world country with rule of law and a booming economy. They even had the Bomb. Now it's all been swept away. (The Bomb too, thank God!)

    I have thought the men who made the decision to dismantle the South African nuclear program should have been given a Nobel Peace Prize. They would have been the most deserving receipients of the last 25 years.

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  39. @Alfa158
    Preston Brooks, D-SC caned Charles Sumner R-MA.
    Apocryphal story is that Andrew Johnson, when he was VP, presided at Senate sessions by pulling out a pair of pistols and laying them down on each side of the podium.
    Those were the good old days.

    Your Johnson story reminds me of a story told about the fighting abolitionist, Cassius Marcellus Clay. During the campaign of 1848, Clay continued to speak out against slavery despite threats of violence. According to a widely told story, he once took his place on the speakers’ platform before a hostile audience and declared, “For those who support the laws of our country, I have an argument from this,” and placed a copy of the Constitution on the table beside him.

    “For those who believe in the Bible,” he went on, “I have an argument from this,” placing a Bible on the table.

    “And for those who believe in neither the laws of God nor of man, I have this argument,” and he pulled two long-barreled pistols out of his carpetbag, laid them on the table, laid his bowie knife across them, and proceeded to give his speech.

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  40. @Glossy
    This reminded me of something the Derb once wrote about:

    At some point in the 1920s or 1930s some British politician proposed that Britain recognize the Soviet Union. Churchill, who was against that, replied in gest "then why not legalize sodomy?"

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Once again you demonstrate the odi et amo of your writing. And even if it was 2001, it has survived well. Perhaps you underestimated the capacity of the Left to indoctrinate children with pernicious ideas. Then again, the polls were wrong last year, and maybe they just reflect the Left trying to use the bandwagon to advance its agenda.

    You know that if the Left ever truly wins you will be their first conscript into their reeducation camps. Hate crimes, (though thought crimes), and all that, of course. We'll do what we can to get you out, but as a card-carrying pessimist, you can't expect much.

    OTOH they may find that their failure to heed your advice means that the toleration they have enjoyed recently will be swept away and replaced with default posture of almost all cultures for all of recorded history.

    Naturally, Cicero understood you a long time ago, and Cicero is not dead. O tempora o mores
  41. @ganderson
    Everything the most doctrinaire Broederbond member said would happen if apartheid was dismantled has come to pass. Shocker, no?

    Into the 1980s, lots of respected authorities, including the Royal Geographical Society, expected that South Africa would soon be partitioned along racial lines. The vast bulk of Cape Province would be a white homeland – and probably for Cape Coloureds as well.
    The reasons why this never happened has never been fully explained. You would have thought at least some Government members would have favoured and supported this option.
    In the event, de Klerk et al threw in the towel. Even the 1992 referendum was highly dishonest. “Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on 2 February 1990 and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation.”
    Most White Voters fully expected a further referendum once negotiations were complete , quite naturally. It never happened. As I say, the full story of this squalid episode is unwritten.
    I shouldn’t need to warn Europeans and North Americans that similar things might happen to them if they’re not careful.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Not much gold or diamonds in Cape Province, right?
    , @Romanian
    If I remember correctly, Ilana Mercer's book "Into the Cannibal's Pot" (and Mike Smith of http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ro/ ) laid the blame on Gen. Constand Viljoen. De Klerk was to blame too, but it was Viljoen who sealed the fate of the Boers by rejecting the military solution when he had the power to put it into effect.
  42. Jason Liu says:

    The EFF has all the trappings of a fascist nationalist party, btw. The stuff about Marx/Sankara is just a cover.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Color uniforms - check
    Brawling - check
    Charismatic big man leader - check
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Thom Sank was admirable - an African Trump in a way.
  43. @Jason Liu
    The EFF has all the trappings of a fascist nationalist party, btw. The stuff about Marx/Sankara is just a cover.

    Color uniforms – check
    Brawling – check
    Charismatic big man leader – check

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  44. @Verymuchalive
    Into the 1980s, lots of respected authorities, including the Royal Geographical Society, expected that South Africa would soon be partitioned along racial lines. The vast bulk of Cape Province would be a white homeland - and probably for Cape Coloureds as well.
    The reasons why this never happened has never been fully explained. You would have thought at least some Government members would have favoured and supported this option.
    In the event, de Klerk et al threw in the towel. Even the 1992 referendum was highly dishonest. "Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on 2 February 1990 and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation."
    Most White Voters fully expected a further referendum once negotiations were complete , quite naturally. It never happened. As I say, the full story of this squalid episode is unwritten.
    I shouldn't need to warn Europeans and North Americans that similar things might happen to them if they're not careful.

    Not much gold or diamonds in Cape Province, right?

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    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    Actually, after diamonds were discovered in the Orange Free State, that area was annexed by Britain and incorporated in the Cape Province; so, yes, the Cape (or the new Northern Cape province) now has diamonds.
    , @Verymuchalive
    Not much gold or diamonds in Arizona or Tuscany either.
  45. @Cagey Beast
    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is another political reality that could only have been predicted decades ago by a satirist. He's something an anti-Hippie cartoonist would have come up with circa 1970.

    Al Capp.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, Bingo. I didn't start to get "Pogo" until my freshman year in college.
  46. @Jason Liu
    The EFF has all the trappings of a fascist nationalist party, btw. The stuff about Marx/Sankara is just a cover.

    Thom Sank was admirable – an African Trump in a way.

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  47. @The Alarmist
    The South Koreans have the occasional good dust-up. I would imagine their cousins in the North are at least as good, but modesty keeps them from sharing with the decadent West.

    I think we could liberate the Norks by massive airdropping of iToys and selfie sticks to distract their overly-serious populace. We just have to show them how:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmCpTzA6SKc

    The generally well-behaved Japanese occasionally produce parliamentary punching.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/world/japanese-lawmakers-brawl-parliament-floor-article-1.2365557

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  48. @John Derbyshire

    Once again you demonstrate the odi et amo of your writing. And even if it was 2001, it has survived well. Perhaps you underestimated the capacity of the Left to indoctrinate children with pernicious ideas. Then again, the polls were wrong last year, and maybe they just reflect the Left trying to use the bandwagon to advance its agenda.

    You know that if the Left ever truly wins you will be their first conscript into their reeducation camps. Hate crimes, (though thought crimes), and all that, of course. We’ll do what we can to get you out, but as a card-carrying pessimist, you can’t expect much.

    OTOH they may find that their failure to heed your advice means that the toleration they have enjoyed recently will be swept away and replaced with default posture of almost all cultures for all of recorded history.

    Naturally, Cicero understood you a long time ago, and Cicero is not dead. O tempora o mores

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  49. Romanian says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    Into the 1980s, lots of respected authorities, including the Royal Geographical Society, expected that South Africa would soon be partitioned along racial lines. The vast bulk of Cape Province would be a white homeland - and probably for Cape Coloureds as well.
    The reasons why this never happened has never been fully explained. You would have thought at least some Government members would have favoured and supported this option.
    In the event, de Klerk et al threw in the towel. Even the 1992 referendum was highly dishonest. "Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on 2 February 1990 and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation."
    Most White Voters fully expected a further referendum once negotiations were complete , quite naturally. It never happened. As I say, the full story of this squalid episode is unwritten.
    I shouldn't need to warn Europeans and North Americans that similar things might happen to them if they're not careful.

    If I remember correctly, Ilana Mercer’s book “Into the Cannibal’s Pot” (and Mike Smith of http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ro/ ) laid the blame on Gen. Constand Viljoen. De Klerk was to blame too, but it was Viljoen who sealed the fate of the Boers by rejecting the military solution when he had the power to put it into effect.

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    • Replies: @AnalogMan
    I don't think that's fair. De Klerk was entirely to blame. He got a mandate to negotiate a settlement, on the promise that any settlement would be presented to the voters in a second referendum. Instead, he gave away the farm, lock, stock and barrel, dumped his wife, collected his Nobel Peace Prize, and went to live with his new whore in Greece (who was no doubt part of his price).

    Viljoen was the head of the Defence Force. He was subject to the President. You can't hold him responsible for the President's treason.

    There was an apocryphal story to the effect that General Magnus Malan, the chief of the Army, said to Viljoen, "You and I and our men could take this country in an afternoon". Viljoen reportedly replied, "Yes, but what would we do the next day?"

    You're asking Viljoen to mutiny against the lawful civilian government, and then... what? South Africa would still be facing the opposition of the entire world, and a coup would have been just the excuse that America would have needed to send in the bombers.
  50. @Buffalo Joe
    Leslie, a very insightful comment. Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters, with a donkey or elephant on the front and their name across the shoulders. Maybe make a few dollars with sponsors logos on the sleeve. I wonder what Soros' logo would be? An all-seeing eye? A week ago Mitch McConnell wouldn't have had to gavel Elizabeth Warren down. The reds and blues could have just scrummed and Warren could have made an end around to her chair. South Africa is fast approaching first world status.

    >Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters,

    Maybe we should just replace congress with a hockey game altogether. Permanent structural advantage for Whites. Bill it as a “Canadian-inspired governance reorganisation, to be more like Canada, and fairness” or something.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    You seem to be advocating that we switch to Canadian spelling, as well.

    (Seriously, what is the point? Am I missing something here? Is American spelling that déclassé?)
  51. @27 year old
    >Maybe Congress and the Senate should wear uniform shirts, like hockey sweaters,

    Maybe we should just replace congress with a hockey game altogether. Permanent structural advantage for Whites. Bill it as a "Canadian-inspired governance reorganisation, to be more like Canada, and fairness" or something.

    You seem to be advocating that we switch to Canadian spelling, as well.

    (Seriously, what is the point? Am I missing something here? Is American spelling that déclassé?)

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  52. duncsbaby says:
    @oh its just me too
    isn't the house of commons two sword lengths plus x feet apart because brawls were so common? And didn't an american congressman get 'caned' by another during a heated debate on slavery?

    First brawl in the U.S. Congress was in 1798. A cane & fire tongs were the weapons of choice. This is why fire tongs are no longer allowed in the Congress.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence#United_States

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  53. Trudeau and an NDP woman almost got into a fight on the Parliament floor last year.

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  54. AnalogMan says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Not much gold or diamonds in Cape Province, right?

    Actually, after diamonds were discovered in the Orange Free State, that area was annexed by Britain and incorporated in the Cape Province; so, yes, the Cape (or the new Northern Cape province) now has diamonds.

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  55. AnalogMan says:
    @Romanian
    If I remember correctly, Ilana Mercer's book "Into the Cannibal's Pot" (and Mike Smith of http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ro/ ) laid the blame on Gen. Constand Viljoen. De Klerk was to blame too, but it was Viljoen who sealed the fate of the Boers by rejecting the military solution when he had the power to put it into effect.

    I don’t think that’s fair. De Klerk was entirely to blame. He got a mandate to negotiate a settlement, on the promise that any settlement would be presented to the voters in a second referendum. Instead, he gave away the farm, lock, stock and barrel, dumped his wife, collected his Nobel Peace Prize, and went to live with his new whore in Greece (who was no doubt part of his price).

    Viljoen was the head of the Defence Force. He was subject to the President. You can’t hold him responsible for the President’s treason.

    There was an apocryphal story to the effect that General Magnus Malan, the chief of the Army, said to Viljoen, “You and I and our men could take this country in an afternoon”. Viljoen reportedly replied, “Yes, but what would we do the next day?”

    You’re asking Viljoen to mutiny against the lawful civilian government, and then… what? South Africa would still be facing the opposition of the entire world, and a coup would have been just the excuse that America would have needed to send in the bombers.

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    • Replies: @Romanian
    All good points, from a game theory perspective, but the end result was cruddy either way. How do you recognize the point where serving your state becomes a betrayal of your nation? Ultimately, I guess, the Afrikaner lost the will to govern, just like the Brits had lost theirs decades before, as recounted in Douglas Reed's The Battle for Rhodesia.

    "Mr. Churchill then seems to have become aware that all was not going as he thought the war's purpose to be, and remonstrated: "Let me make this clear, in case there should be any mistake about it in any quarter. We mean to hold our own. I have not become the King's First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire ... Here we are and here we stand, a veritable rock of salvation in this drifting world". (His then son-in-law, twenty years later, said "We have lost the will to govern", according to Sir Roy Welensky). "

  56. @Dahlia
    Our congress is rather staid, sensitive, and too earnest, and I always looked with admiration toward the British Parliament as a superior alternative. On the other hand, Leslie points out that South Africa has its charms.

    Hi. Bit late in the day. Better idea for Whitehouse working clothes would be red or blue burkas ( cheap, in bulk, from China). Would remove any possible variety of race or sexual discrimination, and solve the great lavatory dilemma- red or blue doors. Might be trouble with the cultural appropriation brigade, but think of the egalitarian simplicity of it.

    Reduce speaking time for both parties on any issue to one hour. If the gavel is ignored, call up security (crisp white shirts, well-pressed black pants- no need to disguise them as everyone will hate them) to evict offenders.

    Out in the street is a different matter: enormous crowds of the Resisted encounter a smattering of the Resisters, whom even robocops are unable to protect. No rule-based ritual solution to this that I can see.

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  57. NickG says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Coming soon to a country near you!

    Up until about 1990 or so South Africa was a first world country with rule of law and a booming economy. They even had the Bomb. Now it's all been swept away. (The Bomb too, thank God!)

    Up until about 1990 or so South Africa was a first world country with rule of law and a booming economy.

    South Africa has never been a first world country. Though it is true that economic growth was far better pre 1990, despite being a pariah state subject to sanctions.

    I’ve been in SA since 1993, I also spend alot of time in the UK, so my persepctive is less than entirely parochial. I even got to vote in the fist all race elections in April 94 – permanent residents were granted the vote.

    SA is a weird hybrid of first and third World. It was in 1990 and it still is now. The problems SA has now – mainly stemming from low economic growth – follow on from rampant cronyism, government corruption, over manning, draconian legally mandated affirmative action, which ends up being mandated incompetence. Dealing with this can make one loose the will to live.

    There is also much white talent flight – mostly heading to the rest of the Anglosphere – they don’t call it Perthfontein for nothing.

    Despite all this, SA is easily one of the best tourist destinations in the World and tremendous value – it’s a stunning, amazingly varied place. But one must never forget…. TIA – this is Africa!

    There are a few signs of hope amid the gloom. The Western Cape – in which Cape Town is located, is governed reasonably competently by the DA – Democratic Alliance, who have after recent elections won municipalities in Pretoria and Johannesburg.

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  58. @Steve Sailer
    Not much gold or diamonds in Cape Province, right?

    Not much gold or diamonds in Arizona or Tuscany either.

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  59. Romanian says: • Website
    @AnalogMan
    I don't think that's fair. De Klerk was entirely to blame. He got a mandate to negotiate a settlement, on the promise that any settlement would be presented to the voters in a second referendum. Instead, he gave away the farm, lock, stock and barrel, dumped his wife, collected his Nobel Peace Prize, and went to live with his new whore in Greece (who was no doubt part of his price).

    Viljoen was the head of the Defence Force. He was subject to the President. You can't hold him responsible for the President's treason.

    There was an apocryphal story to the effect that General Magnus Malan, the chief of the Army, said to Viljoen, "You and I and our men could take this country in an afternoon". Viljoen reportedly replied, "Yes, but what would we do the next day?"

    You're asking Viljoen to mutiny against the lawful civilian government, and then... what? South Africa would still be facing the opposition of the entire world, and a coup would have been just the excuse that America would have needed to send in the bombers.

    All good points, from a game theory perspective, but the end result was cruddy either way. How do you recognize the point where serving your state becomes a betrayal of your nation? Ultimately, I guess, the Afrikaner lost the will to govern, just like the Brits had lost theirs decades before, as recounted in Douglas Reed’s The Battle for Rhodesia.

    “Mr. Churchill then seems to have become aware that all was not going as he thought the war’s purpose to be, and remonstrated: “Let me make this clear, in case there should be any mistake about it in any quarter. We mean to hold our own. I have not become the King’s First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire … Here we are and here we stand, a veritable rock of salvation in this drifting world”. (His then son-in-law, twenty years later, said “We have lost the will to govern”, according to Sir Roy Welensky). “

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  60. Good points, but there had been plans to partition S Africa since at least the 1940s. The Upper Class and Upper Middle Clash Whites who formed the de Klerk Government seemed to think that their existence, their prosperity would continue unaffected by a Black regime.
    It was clear by the 1960s that apartheid wasn’t working as increasing numbers of Bantu were permitted into White areas. Pragmatic politicians should have been planning Plan B, Partition.
    The failure to adopt this plan has been a disaster for all White South Africans.

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