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From Bloomberg and Yahoo News:

Somalia Leader Renounces U.S. Citizenship Amid Trump’s Rhetoric

August 1, 2019

Somalia President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo voluntarily renounced his U.S. citizenship, a country where he lived, received education and worked.

Here’s the Oath of Allegiance this guy swore when he became a U.S. citizen:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Of course, this oath, while still given, has been more or less of a legal dead letter since the Warren Court’s 1967 decision in the case of Afroyim v. Rusk, in which the Supreme Court ruled, in the eloquent words of the majority opinion:

Just kidding!

Yahoo News is framing this as a Stunning Rebuke of Trump’s Racist Rhetoric, but this guy’s office merely announced he was renouncing his U.S. citizenship without elaboration.

A more charitable interpretation would be that he’s a Somali patriot — after all, He Went Back — and is committing himself to the (quasi-)country of which he is the leader (as much as anybody can be said to be the leader of Somalia).

Good for him.

Hope he doesn’t get blown up like that poor lady journalist who Went Back.

 
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  1. Such a loss.

    What will we do without him?

  2. BenKenobi says:

    Damn, for a moment I thought Ilhan went all “blaxit “ on us.

    Oh well.

  3. Clyde says:

    His photo is at the yahoo source. So this dead eyed, dead head looking schmuck is top of the heap? Top of the anthill in Somalia. If schmucko ever tries to come back to America I pray he is denied entry.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
    , @Mr McKenna
  4. Apparently J.Edgar Hoover hated the Leasbian Aristocrat Eleanor Roosevelt because the Lesbian Aristocrat Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to impose Blacks on Working Class Whites……

    In a secret memo J. Edgar Hoover wrote:”If Eleanor Roosevelt loves the N……..s so much….she should be arrested and sent to live among the N…….s in Liberia…”…….I’m not making this up….

    Hillary Clinton should be arrested and sent to live among the Somalian Muslims in Somalia…..

    • Replies: @Jack D
  5. J.Ross says:

    A major reason why Muslims are incompatible with our system, and will eventually have to be given a choice between a “Kazakh car of peace” (a shot and a pint, ie, not really being Muslim, like the formerly Soviet Central Asians) or a plane ticket home, is that America and Islam each have a Supreme Foundational Controlling Law, and it’s not the same one for both. Muslims everywhere are bound unto death to abide by the consensus of all the jurisprudential (not theological) scholars — the highest law for every Muslim is Islam, and, to avoid blasphemy, the law of the one God must always come before the most civilized and best-thought-out laws of mere men.
    In other words it is not possible for a Muslim to take any oath regarding the Constitution, unless he’s swearing to destroy it, and, like the US Army sitting through a certain PowerPoint presentation at Ft Hood, we have been letting them do this only because we haven’t understood what’s been going on.
    To be an American must mean embracing the Constitution as your highest law. Muslims cannot do that, as an objective and painfully simple point of doctrine, without departing from or watering down their culture.
    In Muslim countries, almost every constitution has a bit (normally right at the start) clarifying that Islam itself is still the “real” constitition, of which the present humble effort is merely meant to be a flowering, and nothing in the following should be taken to imply blasphemy or “innovation” (which in Islam is a very bad thing).

  6. Dual or multiple citizenship is BS. With regard to an oath like the one Steve quoted and my wife took, logic insists that a person can only be a citizen of one country, because similar oaths would be mutually exclusive.

    My wife is a triple citizen, just because of weird history and illogical practices like what we have here. The only way anyone, including her, could belong to more than one country is if the other oaths or requirements were the equivalent of membership in the Mickey Mouse club.

    Maybe they are, but I don’t think so. Her family set me up, with just a few days advance notice, to take a citizenship test in Hungary, one of my beloved’s three countries. Surprised, I didn’t bother to study for it, so I wasn’t prepared for the language test administered by the lovely Hungarian honey working at the consulate in Debrecen that day. Even though she spoke to me in the softest, sexiest voice, I still could not respond well enough. That made me feel impotent, and I remain to this day a Citizen of only one country, the best in history.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  7. BigFire says:

    Boris Johnson renounced his citizenship due to years of incessant harassments from IRS. This is about 4 years ago. He was technically eligible to run for President of United States, as his mother is an American citizen and he as born in New York City.

  8. Hope he doesn’t get blown up like that poor lady journalist who Went Back.

    Many such cases!

    The mayor of Somalia’s capital Mogadishu has died a week after being wounded in a suicide attack that killed at least six other people.
    Mr Osman fled Somalia in the early 1990s as a refugee, before achieving a postgraduate degree and UK citizenship. He also served as a councillor for the centre-left Labour Party in the London borough of Ealing.
    He returned to Somalia in 2008

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49197036

  9. Lord willing this becomes a trend.

  10. Some one please get me a drink and tissue… this is horrible.

  11. @BigFire

    That’s a shame, because we could have enjoyed four terms of goofy blond guys.

    Johnson can’t be blamed, though, for getting fed up with our nasty tax laws. You could go to Mars and farm potatoes in your own shit, like Matt Damon, and the frickin’, unconstitutional IRS would want you to pay tribute as soon as you made it back to Earth.

    On second thought, the name Johnson has a terrible record in the history of American presidents. Best not to have a third one.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
  12. J.Ross says:
    @Clyde

    It’s Somalia, he can only claim about a third of the anthill, and in daylight.

  13. Gee, I wonder if he’s going through all the IRS formalities … we might just have to send in the Marines:

    Expatriation on or after June 17, 2008

    If you expatriated on or after June 17, 2008, the new IRC 877A expatriation rules apply to you if any of the following statements apply.

    Your average annual net income tax for the 5 years ending before the date of expatriation or termination of residency is more than a specified amount that is adjusted for inflation ($151,000 for 2012, $155,000 for 2013, $157,000 for 2014, and $160,000 for 2015).
    Your net worth is $2 million or more on the date of your expatriation or termination of residency.
    You fail to certify on Form 8854 that you have complied with all U.S. federal tax obligations for the 5 years preceding the date of your expatriation or termination of residency.
    If any of these rules apply, you are a “covered expatriate.”

    A citizen will be treated as relinquishing his or her U.S. citizenship on the earliest of four possible dates:

    the date the individual renounces his or her U.S. nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States, provided the renunciation is subsequently approved by the issuance to the individual of a certificate of loss of nationality by the U.S. Department of State;
    the date the individual furnishes to the U.S. Department of State a signed statement of voluntary relinquishment of U.S. nationality confirming the performance of an act of expatriation specified in paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(1)-(4)), provided the voluntary relinquishment is subsequently approved by the issuance to the individual of a certificate of loss of nationality by the U.S. Department of State;
    the date the U.S. Department of State issues to the individual a certificate of loss of nationality; or
    the date a U.S. court cancels a naturalized citizen’s certificate of naturalization.

    Significant penalty imposed for not filing expatriation form

    The Internal Revenue Service reminds practitioners that anyone who has expatriated or terminated his U.S. residency status must file Form 8854, Initial and Annual Expatriation Information Statement, and its Instructions. Form 8854 must also be filed to comply with the annual information reporting requirements of IRC 6039G, if the person is subject to the alternative expatriation tax under IRC 877 or IRC 877A. A $10,000 penalty may be imposed for failure to file Form 8854 when required.

    IRS is sending notices to expatriates who have not complied with the Form 8854 requirements, including the imposition of the $10,000 penalty where appropriate.

    [ad nauseum]

    I also doubt the guy has appeared before a Consular Officer to renounce and then paid the $2,350 fee to renounce, but details, details. He probably just “lost” his citizenship (still has to fille Form 8854 though).

    • Replies: @donut
  14. Anon[417] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s really hard to renounce your US citizenship, something that you generally would want to do if you naturalized to another country, which is a natural thing to want to do if you’ve lived there most of your life. If you don’t live and work in the US, US citizenship is a real pain in the ass, if only because of IRS filing requirements and FATCA.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  15. Clyde says:

    Somalia President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo……..

    Money, sex , power, these are the only reasons a non-brain damaged person will return to the worst sh-hole in Africa. In the current Jeffrey Epstein spirit, my guess is sex is the motivation for this bald and fugly loser. Lots of easy nookie to score there and prime enough for this dufus.

  16. Andy says:

    off topic, I think this tweet is quite revealing

  17. JimB says:

    That’s a mistake. Unless he has an EU passport. Sooner or later every Somali leader needs to flee.

  18. I thought about Ilhan as well.

    Consider the source of the article:
    Mohammed Omar Ahmed, Bloomberg

    BTW Bloomberg in Archaeology news.
    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/roman-pen-0012368

    “The stylus was found by archaeologists from MOLA, a private archaeological and heritage company, working under the supervision of the Museum of London. MOLA’s experts made the find under Bloomberg European Headquarters, the well-known financial media company in the heart of the British capital, between 2010 and 2014. This site was once “on the bank of the river Walbrook – a now lost tributary of the Thames” reports the MOLA blog. In the heart of the Bloomberg European HQ complex are a restored Roman road and a temple to the god Mithra.”

    Purely coincidental, I’m sure, that “In the heart of the Bloomberg European HQ complex … a temple to the god Mithra.” Or at least a little weird.

  19. @J.Ross

    To be an American must mean embracing the Constitution as your highest law.

    It’s hard enough getting the other 95% of AMERICANS to do this, much less the Friends of Moe.

    There are plenty of fairly assimilated Moslems in place in the US, but not the places with large numbers, such as Dearbornistan and such. This is not at all to say that we need any more either. Even the ones that are average Joe’s, if they end up among a big bunch of serious Moslems at some point in their lives, they will feel bound to go back to becoming average Moe’s.

  20. @Anon

    AGREED. It actually costs more than a nominal sum (it’s a coupla’ thousand or so) just to officially leave the grasp of the US Feral Gov’t. It’s kind of ridiculous, but that’s the IRS for you. You ought to be able to say, at least if you are a Moslem:

    “America, I renounce thee, I renounce thee, I renounce thee.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  21. @Andy

    Down the Twit stream:

    “This is why capitalism is just as evil, maybe even more so, than communism! They are two cheeks of the same arse, as the Scots would say!”

    Adam Smith and or David Ricardo, and Karl Marx. Yup. Step 1, Create both sides of an issue. Step 2, Profit.

  22. @Buzz Mohawk

    … I wasn’t prepared for the language test administered by the lovely Hungarian honey working at the consulate in Debrecen that day. Even though she spoke to me in the softest, sexiest voice…

    Too much of that sort of writing, I know. She was young, reasonably attractive, and practically whispered the questions to me. It seemed like she was trying to make it hard for me to even hear what she was saying. It’s all true, but it doesn’t need the embellishments and references to “honey” and sexy softness. Bad habit.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Twodees Partain
  23. 1 down, tens of thousands to go!

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  24. Clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No way Jose. Your first account was the true and better one. For shts and giggles my guess is your wife’s third citizenship is Canada or UK. But Canada first for me, my guess. How is the goulash in Hungary? And will she make it for you here?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  25. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The couple of thousand dollars is just the beginning. You need to go to the embassy for an “exit interview,” which is designed to present you with other fees and bills they claim you owe. So you pretty much need to hire a specialist attorney to successfully renounce U.S. citizenship. And then there are laws that for instance require you to file tax returns for 10 years subsequent to giving up your citizenship.

    China and Iran are at least honest and up front about the fact that you cannot renounce citizenship. The US is almost the same, but they won’t admit it.

  26. @Redneck farmer

    I hit that “Agree” too soon. It’s probably in the multiple hundreds of thousands (Somalians).

  27. G. Poulin says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Lyndon was a career criminal. Andrew was framed.

  28. Flip says:

    A Jewish co-worker said to me once that the court ruled the way it did so American Jews could be Israelis without losing their American citizenship in case Israel didn’t work out, and others are now benefiting. I’ve known two Brits who got US citizenship and still have UK passports as well.

  29. @Robert Dolan

    Don’t worry, America destroyers; today a few hundred more ticking rape’n’murder timebombs entered through our deliberately-unguarded southern border, which more than offsets the loss of this one Somali “who-we-are”. Trump is truly on your side, you deluded lemmings. He should indeed be impeached – for collusion . . . with Soros, not Russia.

  30. Anonymous[846] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Catholics used to have similar attitudes but have assimilated pretty well. Liberals think they can ‘tame’ Muslims the same way.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  31. J.Ross says:
    @Anon

    Kevin Flaherty was an IT guy who, to put it simply, “saw the way things were going,” and decided to move to a self-sufficient farm in New Zealand, and to renounce his US citizenship. He also blogged this, as well as his conspiracy theory and civilizational collapse concerns. He documents the federal bureaucracy manging to “lose” his paperwork package, multiple times, in the age of, y’know, not having to have actual paper at all. Each time he was obligated to re-fill-out and re-submit every document.

  32. @Anon

    Chinese people don’t care what citizenship anyone has. If you look Chinese and speak Chinese, you’re Chinese.

    Everyone else is a ghost.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. One more thing – as I was writing a post on this egregious stupidity (letting a foreign president by a US citizen other than as a friendly joke), I found that same Yahoo article on my own (forgot to go back here). I didn’t realize that you had linked to the same one with the ridiculous headline blaming, or I guess it should be giving Trump some partial credit.

    Good job, Mr. President! Who? Why both of you!

  34. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Everyone else is a ghost.

    Haha, Gweilo. That’s true, but they will not let many of the Chinese that have lived around the world back in to stay in China, though, once they’ve gotten other citizenship. Basically, they don’t need any more people, and from what I’ve heard, they make that pretty clear.

  35. @Flip

    A couple of family members made aliya and kept their American citizenship. One has three citizenships.

    I am always banging on about this, but dual citizenship is a big problem that gets very little attention. It is insulting to the native population.

    I saw an estimate of almost 6 million dual citizens in 2002. The government doesn’t keep track, which seems uh, intentional.

    I’d bet dual citizens break 80/20 for Dems at least, because they don’t care about or in some cases don’t even like America. They’ll gladly sell the family property lock ,stock and barrel.

    • Replies: @Kyle
  36. Kyle says:

    Somebody who is a leader of another nation shouldn’t be allowed to be an American citizen. That’s a massive conflict of interests. We have serious problems with our social priorities. We need to rewrite the rules on who gets to be a citizen and who does not. This is absurd. US citizenship has devolved into some sort status symbol among the ranks of the 7.5 billion global pre-americans. There is no social cohesion among americans any more. Not enough to even respond to the basic instinct of self preservation. The people we’ve put in charge of our institutions are treasonous sociopaths who have no loyalty to their families or neighbors.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  37. lavoisier says: • Website

    I am in favor of Somalis going back to Somalia.

    I see no negatives to their exodus from the United States and can only envision a positive outcome for us.

    But I am not on board with the MSM attack on Omar because she has dared to suggest that our government is controlled by Zionists.

    Our government IS controlled by the Zionists and I thank Omar for letting the deluded in on that reality.

    Pass the memo over to Fox News and Tucker Carlson as well.

    But now she can go back to Somalia.

  38. Kyle says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You’re right it’s insulting to those of us who live here, own property, bank, and pay taxes.

  39. donut says:
    @The Alarmist

    “I also doubt the guy has appeared before a Consular Officer to renounce and then paid the $2,350 fee to renounce, but details, details.” You gotta pay a fee ?

  40. Renouncing US citizenship — yet another job Americans just won’t do.

  41. @BigFire

    Boris Johnson renounced his citizenship due to years of incessant harassments from IRS.

    So he’s already Brexited one political system, eh?

    Seriously though, it would have been cool if he could have simultaneously served as both US president and British PM.

  42. From the Peak Stupidity post:

    ♪♫♬ “Where have you gone, Mr. Faramajio?
    Your nation sprays its tsetse flies for you.
    Whoo hoo hooo!” ♪♫♬

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  43. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Why the hard feelings? I am sure he was an American agent. It’s not like they had universal elections, and I don’t think Black Hawk Down shows him resisting US troops. In fact, I think it’s the other way around: US soldiers did for him to be able to pretend he is the president, and subsequently “invite” “peacekeeping” American troops.

  44. KunioKun says:

    If they can make an argument that you are or once were a U.S. citizen the IRS will hunt you down with an axe wherever you go no matter how much you plead with them that you are not a citizen. Perhaps he is doing it to try to save a boat load of money on U.S. taxes.

  45. Aardvark says:

    Did he take what’s her name from Minnesota with him?

  46. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Not even close, consider that my language is deliberate. Catholics had “give to Caesar” and “the world belongs to the devil” and “expect to suffer.” There’s no equivalent. Islam is either “bide your time (the better to strike later)” or “build Islam.” Islam simply is not a religion, it’s here, it’s temporal and material. Christianity tells you to put up with things because it’s really not about this plane. Islam says fix this plane using what the prophet and his companions decided.

  47. J.Ross says:
    @donut

    They will absolutely do everything they can to prevent you from leaving.

  48. 216 says:

    Is it possible to imagine that Somalia stabilizes according to an internal settlement?

    Or is it dependent on an outside power(s), imposing their will on a population that thinks little of nation-states.

    It may not be the US, the end of the great divergence will see China and India return to their historic share of 40% of global production.

    Not to mention Muslim countries that will not want a lawless region that provides extremist sanctuary

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  49. Rob says:

    The IRS needs to get on the ball on working out collecting income and inheritance taxes from the birth-tourist Americans of Chinese descent. Considering they’re part of the Chinese elite, that could be a lot of money.

  50. Tony says:

    Good, maybe he’ll start a trend.

  51. JohnnyD says:

    Kudos to this guy. It would have been much easier to stay in America and bitch about how America is racist.

  52. Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo = “Mom! A full-bodied maharajah!”

  53. Actually, he “went back” quite a long time ago and took over for his father after his father’s death. Anyway, he was just bullshittin and carryin on when he swore that oath.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  54. @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, maybe she was trying to make it hard and “it” had nothing to do with your hearing.

  55. @Kyle

    “Somebody who is a leader of another nation shouldn’t be allowed to be an American citizen. That’s a massive conflict of interests. ”

    That’s a good one. Yogi Berra could’ve said that.

  56. Kronos says:
    @BigFire

    Winston Churchill’s mother was an American Heiress.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Randolph_Churchill

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  57. @Clyde

    If schmucko ever tries to come back to America I pray he is denied entry.

    Denied Entry! Well now, there’s a concept. Wonder how it would work?

  58. @J.Ross

    To be an American must mean embracing the Constitution as your highest law.

    Quaint notion there, but oh so very racist in the Current Year.

    And it’s going to be the Current Year for a very, very long time.

  59. anon[783] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m Somali and I still very much want to return. I LOVE my people, the most ethnically, linguistically and culturally homogonous people in sub-saharan Africa. Kenya is comprimised of multiple enthnicities…likewise Ethiopia. Both are fake nations in a way but Somalia (or rather, the Somali territories) are occupied 97% by the same linguistic/ethnic/cultural group, certainly a decent basis for a nation.

    ps, the mayor of Mogadishu just succumbed to his injuries from a suicide bomb attack. Al-shabaab has been egnaged in a campaign against pro-government repatriates and the idealists who are working towards democracy/a better tomorrow. It should be noted that the Northern region — Puntland and Somaliland — are overwhelmingly safe.

    America has its advantages, to be sure, but at least in Somalia men aren’t cutting off their penises and calling themselves women, homosexuality remains unthinkable, marriages are more stable, half the population unlike America aren’t basterds, there’s traditional gender norms, etc.

    SOMALIA HANOOLATO (long live somalia)

  60. @Kronos

    Yes, Jerome Avenue is named for his grandfather. Yankee Stadium is on Jerome Avenue, which runs along the left-field foul line.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  61. I’m confused on how he got American citizenship in the first place. He worked for the Somali embassy in DC, but that doesn’t confer any special rights vis-a-vis permanent residency. He then went to SUNY-Buffalo for 4 years, but don’t people on student visas just go home afterwards.

  62. @Rob

    “The IRS needs to get on the ball on working out collecting income and inheritance taxes from the birth-tourist Americans of Chinese descent.”

    i wonder how aggressive they are on that. could be the only positive source of revenue from the immivasion. the chinese will do everything they can to not pay, so it will be a battle of misers.

  63. @anon

    Kenya is compromised of multiple ethnicities…likewise Ethiopia.

    Including millions of Somalis in both:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis

    I once saw a Somali guard at work in Minnesota, bored and doodling on a napkin. He went on break and the napkin fell off his kiosk, so I picked it up out of curiosity.

    It was a rough map of Somalia which included a large portion of eastern Ethiopia. It probably also included Kenya’s North East Province, but I wasn’t aware of that at the time.

  64. @donut

    Yep, you have to buy your freedom. The fee used to be a few hundred bucks, but a few years back the number of people renouncing skyrocketed, so they jacked up the fee and even threatened to publish names in the Federal Register. You can still “lose” your citizenship by taking that of another country, and that used to be pretty automatic, but they are now insisting people still go to a local Consulate to apply for the Loss of Citizenship declaration before they will willingly let you go. And by many treaties, the US insists it may continue to tax ex-serfs for another 10 years, hence the 8854.

  65. EdwardM says:

    A Saturday Night Live skit might depict the guy as, say, a schlubby mid-level government bureaucrat in upstate New York who lectured part-time at a community college, til he decided to go back and become president of Somalia. His name might even be Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, the most stereotypical Somali name there is.

    • Replies: @anon
  66. @ScarletNumber

    That’s great: that the street that runs down the left field foul line of Yankee Stadium, Jerome Avenue, is named after Winston Churchill’s grandfather.

  67. Tex says:

    As Ethan Edwards said, a man’s only good for one oath at a time.

  68. Thirdtwin says:

    If Ilhan Omar is ever killed, it will be at the hand of a Somali in America, especially if we keep importing them. The newer arrivals might not be so accomodating of her decadent Western ways, taqiyah or not.

  69. Realist says:

    “Somalia Leader Renounces U.S. Citizenship Amid Trump’s Rhetoric”

    Let’s hope it the start of a trend….in fact push it to be a trend.

  70. Mr. Anon says:

    See what problems George Bush the Elder got us into back in 1992.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Task_Force

    Good thing that President Trump ran on a platform of avoiding such folly:

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-military-escalation-in-somalia-is-spurring-hope-and-fear

    To paraphrase Steve: I hope Somalian Congressman are any good, because we’re liable to get a lot of them.

  71. MEH 0910 says:
    @anon

  72. @Clyde

    Romania, and she is a fantastic cook. Thanks for the reassurance. The goulash is delicious and is properly pronounced “goo-yash.”

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
    , @Clyde
  73. @Andy

    Keeping pay down and rents and mortgages up. Also atomising the public and making consumer culture the only shared culture. Add to that, the freedom the ruling class gets from saying “I owe you no more loyalty or solidarity than I owe to the rest of humanity”. That’s pretty much the whole of it.

  74. Svevlad says:
    @216

    The only reason Somalia is such a mess is because some dude wanted Islam and Communism at the same time. Like water to an oil fire!

  75. Svevlad says:
    @anon

    What’s your proposal, how to fix the area?

    • Replies: @anon
  76. @donut

    Shit, dude, if you are a New Jersey resident, if you leave, you must pay the state an exit fee. I reside in southern NJ, & it’s not as bad as the northeastern NJ/NYC conurbation (yet…they’re working on it), but the effrontery of this still chaps my ass.

  77. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @EdwardM

    Unlike the Two Wild and Crazy Guys, who were brain surgeons back in Bratislava. but over here must drive cab.

  78. @Buzz Mohawk

    Pre-trianon Hungary then? My mom was born there too.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  79. @J.Ross

    To be an American must mean embracing the Constitution as your highest law.

    That’s a pretty big ask, when we can’t even get federal judges or Supreme Court justices to consider the Constitution as their highest law.

  80. @Kaganovitch

    Pontosan. (Exactly.)

    Those people have gone through an awful lot, but of course we don’t hear about it here, because they don’t own the media.

  81. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svevlad

    The Somali National Army is being re-established with assistance from the United States and especially Turkey. Al-Shabaab is able to operate freely in whole regions in the southern half of the country. Once that’s dealt with hopefully the terrorism will end. Also once the armed forces are re-established the government will have to do unpalatable things to deal with the terrorists much like the Israelis and Turks. Terrorism in Somalia has made me come to have respect for anti-terrorism tactics waterboarding.

  82. The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim’s right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. 

    Jews don’t have dual loyalty, silly goyim. Do you believe every anti Semitic canard you see written on storm front?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  83. @Twodees Partain

    Oh, is that what your email said, T.P.? Mine said that if I would help him pass the citizenship test, he would be very grateful to me once the funds have been released.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  84. @Rob

    Not to mention the American Princess Miss Markle – she just hit the jackpot!

  85. Jack D says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Hoover was born and raised in Washington, D.C. Washington was part of the South and native Washingtonians had Southern attitudes toward blacks. Although DC did not have a full array of Jim Crow laws (e.g. no Jim Crow on public transport) it did have “separate but equal” schools and public swimming pools and blacks (even diplomats) were not normally served in white restaurants (it was actually illegal under laws passed in the Reconstruction Era but the law was not enforced from the 1870s until a S.Ct. case in the early 1950s).

    The Soviets loved to make hay out of American mistreatment of blacks and Hoover likely saw anti-segregationists as Soviet pawns. Hoover hated subversives much more than he hated criminals. Some people believe that the Mafia blackmailed Hoover over his homosexuality because Hoover used to deny that the Mafia even existed. In any case, he was much happier chasing Reds.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @nebulafox
  86. Clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    To make proper goulash you need to use lots of high quality paprika, preferably from Hungary. The paprika helps thicken up the sauce plus is a key flavor component. Other ingredients can be added or subtracted but you need the paprika.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  87. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    Clyde Tolson and J. Edgar Hoover at the racetrack
    https://www.americasbestracing.net/lifestyle/2017-how-i-met-j-edgar-hoover-the-races

    Little did I know, as the years passed, what a controversial figure Hoover would become. He did like his racing, though, and I came to see him often at Hialeah and Del Mar to the extent that we had a “nodding” relationship.

    btw any of you have Amazon Prime (I let mine lapse) check out the HBO series Luck. This takes place at the Santa Anita racetrack. Free video for prime members.

  88. J. Dart says:
    @Flip

    A Jewish co-worker said to me once that the court ruled the way it did so American Jews could be Israelis without losing their American citizenship in case Israel didn’t work out, and others are now benefiting.

    Even before the Afroyim case, the U.S. government had a specific policy that Israeli citizenship acquired by aliyah was “involuntary” and thus didn’t trigger the provision of 8 USC 1481(a)(1) stating that you lost citizenship by obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon your own application.

    It got to the point that in 2012, a guy who made aliyah and DIDN’T want to keep his U.S. citizenship had to sue the feds twice to get them off his back

    https://www.leagle.com/decision/infco20120612170

  89. @anon

    Why don’t you just go back then? Nothing is stopping you. Just be careful.

  90. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    Hoover living with his mother as an adult is taken as proof that he was a closeted case, but that’s not necessarily true: that’s what unmarried adults did in the Old South’s upper classes. It certainly didn’t stop him from having affairs, most prominently with Dorothy Lamour, though of course, knowing Hoover, one can’t wonder if he didn’t strategically let that leak.

    (I’m agnostic on Hoover’s sexuality, for the record-much like Alan Turing, I doubt he viewed his life primarily through his sexuality, shocking as this must be to the modern DNC. If one pinned me down and forced me to guess, I’d think it’s probable that Hoover and Tolson were more than just friends on some level, but given the times and the personalities involved, it is as possible as not that they never acted on it. Personally, Hoover struck me as a very “married to his job” type of guy at any rate, so he may not have been interested in having a family even if he were fully heterosexual. Note that Miss Gandy never married, either.)

    >Some people believe that the Mafia blackmailed Hoover over his homosexuality because Hoover used to deny that the Mafia even existed.

    Hoover knew that the Mafia kept petty criminals in line in the big cities (muggings of potential clients near the bars and brothels were bad for business) and, as WWII and the Cold War showed, knew where their bread was buttered regarding foreign threats. A lot of police departments back in the day similarly had “understandings” with the Mob on a better-the-devil-you know basis.

  91. nebulafox says:
    @Wernermagnus

    Most of the really obnoxious hasbara types on Capitol Hill are evangelical Christians…

  92. FAllison says:

    I’m triggered. He is appropriating my culture with that suit and tie and those glasses.

  93. “Renouncing” US citizenship? A complete joke, By assuming, or claiming to assume, a political office of a foreign nation, this Somali committed a “denaturalizing act” and his “US citizenship” was forfeited then and there. If the Trump Administration had so much as a pair of balls among the whole sorry lot – a presumption more and more in doubt each passing day! – then a spokescritter for the Department of State or DHS would have put out a flak piece announcing precisely this: “The guy wasn’t a citizen anymore. He had nothing to ‘renounce!’..”

  94. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ah, the plot thickens. Maybe he studied under some Nigerians and learned a little about mass emailing as a means of funding his lifestyle.

  95. @Clyde

    Every time we go over there, like this summer, we bring back bags of paprika from a local farmers’ market. They have sweet kinds and hot kinds. The farmers bring it to the old market, which was outdoor my first few times there. Now it has a roof and a concrete structure. Those improvements diminish the old charm, but they are among the many signs of progress.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  96. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out! And take several tens of thousands of your homies with you, eh, Mohammed.

  97. Clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My short reply is that that you are living the dream. That your baby knows how to shop for proper and superior paprika in her home markets. Respect! to you for pulling this off. And from me, no irony or sarcasm

  98. Andy says:
    @Hail

    oh, so Steve has covered this already, I missed it

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