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The reason dogs are obsessed with sniffing ad marking trees is because wolf packs are surprisingly good at observing borders.

Commenter Sean observes:

The collective lupine barbershop yodelling carries for many miles and conveys the message: “WE are over here and there are MANY of us”.

The other pack hears this and starts up “Over here we prefer quality to quantity, but you would be surprised at our numbers”

I presume humans bred howling out of dogs because it interferes with sleep?

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  1. Mr. Anon says:

    The reason dogs are obsessed with sniffing and marking trees is because wolf packs are surprisingly good at observing borders.

    Good fences make good doggies.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  2. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Reminder that wolves are subject to intercultural events:

    Bear posse rips female wolf limb from limb in dutch zoo:

    Amazingly not Disney.

  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s about time all the gringos went to the Border and took a leak to make it reek.

    “Smell and tell. This is our land.”

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Tiny Duck
  4. BenKenobi says:

    That white “V” in the upper region of the red seems like an interesting story.

    I feel like watching Redwall.

  5. Sean says:

    Not really, they’d have to go to the borderline for scent marking and sniffing, and even then all they’d know is a wolf had smelly piss. It’s actually the baying. The collective lupine barbershop yodelling carries for many miles and conveys the message: “WE are over here and there are MANY of us”.

    The other pack hears this and starts up “Over here we prefer quality to quantity, but you would be surprised at our numbers”

  6. black sea says:

    I thought at first that this was going to be another post about contemporary art.

    • LOL: bomag
  7. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    Build a wall!

    The white one seems adventurous. He went on a long trip into enemy territory. A cute she-wolf is probably behind it.

  8. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    The Woofnited States of Doggistan.

  9. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Did you know that naughty old Doggistan invaded Catland in the ‘Kitler’ Wars?

  10. Sean says:

    “I found a dead coyote on a well-used game trail. This relatively fresh coyote carcass had been there for maybe one or two days. It lay on its back, limbs outspread and neck outstretched. Its throat had been ripped out and it had been eviscerated. No other flesh had been removed. All around it lay evidence of the perpetrator of this carnage: wolf feces and tracks. The coyote appeared to have been a young adult male in relatively good health that had perished because it had had the misfortune to come upon a wolf. In most systems wolves make it their business to kill coyotes. This particular carcass had been left on a primary game trail as a grisly marker and warning to other coyotes that wolves rule this system—they are the apex predator.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  11. No need for howling, as long as there aren’t groups of canines opposing each other? = No howling dogs – the howling might have just petered out.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Rohirrimborn
  12. @Anonymous

    Robert Mueller is looking into whether or not the bears are Russian agents.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  13. “I presume humans bred howling out of dogs?”

    Don’t think so. Our youngest’s inexpert version of “Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas” on sax always sets our dog off. A quick Startpage or Twitter search for “dog howling sax”.

  14. @YetAnotherAnon

    So that’s why the saxophone, the second most important instrument of 20th Century music, after the electric guitar, died out?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Howling really looks like a muscular spasm of the bedroom variety.

    Inner Wolf: “Can … resist … my lungs are moving on their own!! AwoooOO!!”

    Our dog got into howling mode whenever the ambulance passed. That was hilarious.

  16. LondonBob says:

    At first glance I saw that GPS tracking image and thought this was another modern art post. I quite liked it.

    Neighbourhood cats are very good at marking out their respective territories too.

  17. What has PETA have to say about our need to exterminate those damnable rayciss animals?

  18. Sean says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Actual wolves living near human settlements learn that baying gets them unwanted attention.

    The cancer of history

    Boys Killed Pets to Become Warriors in Early Russia.

    Bronze Age wolf cult 8 member boy bands came calling.

    Now I don’t have to tell you good folks what’s been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I’m leaving.

    Blazing Saddles

  19. @Anon

    It’s about time all the gringos went to the Border and took a leak to make it reek.

    “Smell and tell. This is our land.”

    Jack Nicholson did just that, all over James Spader, in the (terrible, really bad) movie Wolf.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  20. The reason dogs are obsessed with sniffing and marking trees is because wolf packs are surprisingly good at observing borders.

    Does this mean that when you take your dog for a walk through the neighborhood, you put him into a constant state of terror?

  21. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    What morons put wolves and bears together? They are eternal enemies.

  22. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    I presume humans bred howling out of dogs because it interferes with sleep?

    It may have happened accidentally.

    When foxes are bred for tameness, they begin to develop the bark.

    • Agree: syonredux
  23. Daniel H says:

    I’m on the side of the wolves in this one. I love wolves and coyotes (bears too).

    And notice how valiantly the other wolves fought back, but they were just overmatched. There will be payback.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  24. @YetAnotherAnon

    “The pack is assembled” is what I say when our pit bull/Rhodesian ridgeback crossbreed starts to howl. It only happens when granny, the parents, the child, and I are all in the living room at the same time in the evening. With our busy lives that doesn’t happen all that often.

    The boy’s mother and I always join in with the howling.

    I have believed since the beginning that this is the pack howling instinct inherited from the dog’s wolf ancestors.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Pontius
  25. @Mr. Anon

    I was just remembered the phrase “good fences make good neighbours” again while thinking about the scolding the NYT tried to give to Sir James Dyson. I came to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people: Smurf people and Asterix people.

    Smurf people seem to think we live in a global Smurf village. The entire global village is inhabited by Smurfs, who are identical apart from some relatively trivial but defining personal quirk they never shut up about. Smurf people can’t see beyond the personal. They recognise specialness of Gay Smurf or Transitioning Smurf and they insist all the other Smurfs recognise their unique specialness in return. Only Gargamel and his cat “don’t get it”.

    Asterix people, on the other hand, are like the wolves. They know good fences make good neighbours. The characters in Asterix’s village have their own quirks but they’re part of a larger team. Outside the village are the Romans and beyond them the Goths, Iberians, Greeks, Phoenicians etc and so on. The map in the front of every edition of Asterix makes it clear: “good fences make good neighbours” and “existence is resistance”.

    This week, I saw an interview with a Yellow Vest couple on the streets of Paris wearing matching Asterix and Obelix helmets, so that’s probably why my favourite cartoon as a kid sprang to mind.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  26. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Anyone see this?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  27. @Anon

    Yes I saw it on VHS quite a while after it came out. I remembered it when I thought about how long people have known about the Mexican border problems that are only now getting centre stage in US politics.

  28. @Seminumerical

    “our pit bull/Rhodesian ridgeback crossbreed “

    All the better to eat you with? Should keep burglars out though.

    More dog music, this time to Star Wars Theme.

  29. @Anonymous

    from the Youtube:
    ” The bears and wolves live in the same residence, because the zoo thinks it is an enrichment for both of them (this way they are challenged to get along)”

    apparently humans are the only victims of the stupidity of our social engineers

  30. fnn says:

    I guess no surprise that cultmarx loonies run the zoos in the Netherlands.

  31. Tiny Duck says:

    Won’t work

    white males have small penises and less potent discharges

  32. songbird says:

    I’ve had howling dogs at different points in my life. My first experience made me think it was only lonely dogs that did it, but the two I have now will run to my property’s border and howl together when they hear coyotes. It is clearly more of a challenge or warning with them.

  33. @Anonymous

    Agree with Daniel H. What’s impressive isn’t that predators knock off rivals. It’s that fellow predators risk life and limb to try to save their comrade. Their is no rationalizing, “well, if only only Dusty hadn’t ____, then this wouldn’t have happened.” They risk their own DNA to save a comrade, even after it is obvious their comrade is a corpse.

    Wild wolves understand–and act on–Niemöller better than “civilized” men do.

  34. dearieme says:

    Nobody knows when wolves were finally killed off in Britain. There are yarns about the “last wolf in Scotland” and that sort of thing but apparently they are evidence-free yarns.

    There are Anglo-Saxon place names involving wolves but I once saw a suggestion that it’s not certain whether they refer to canine wolves or are essentially a nod to “man is wolf to man”, as in ‘evil bastards live there’.

    Naturally there are enthusiasts for reintroducing wolves: it would be a way, they claim, of keeping down the deer population, which has become a bloody nuisance over the last forty or fifty years. You might think that dead sheep and bairns might also be nuisance, but Gaia!

  35. dearieme says:

    The beaver is back; there’s a push to reintroduce the lynx (which is a bigger brute than the North American version); then it’ll be wolves and no doubt brown bears.

    Personally I’d like to reintroduce the hippo; a proper, no-messing, kill-your-cousin carnivore is the hippo. The experiment could start on the Thames.

    I’m puzzled that y’all haven’t got hippos in the Everglades – surely an oversight by someone. How about introducing hippos to the Rio Grande?

  36. I presume humans bred howling out of dogs because it interferes with sleep?

    My dogs apparently didn’t get the memo.

    They howl back at coyotes, ambulances, or just out of sorrow when I leave them.

  37. @Almost Missouri

    Brits in Afghanistan (and the NW Frontier) would sometimes risk their lives even for dead men, because they didn’t want the bodies mutilated. Churchill’s lot, much mauled by Pathans, went back to retrieve their Adjutant’s body (but left other dead soldiers “to be cut to pieces”).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  38. @PiltdownMan

    But it was so bad it was good. Watching three great scenery-chewers, James Spader, Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer, romping through that terrible flick was a guilty pleasure.

  39. @Anon

    reminds me of

    starting 50 seconds in!

  40. CPK says:

    Sniffing and marking with pee also communicates lots of useful survival information. For example, it’s a way of finding and showing off to potential mates. Pee smell tells the males that someone’s in heat, and tells the females how healthy the males are. It’s Doggie Tinder. This is why dogs who are fixed early in life tend not to mark nearly as much. Pee smell also tells them whether the other dogs are eating well, which means there’s a good food source in the area. (The fact that this food source is in someone else’s house and inaccessible is beyond them.)

    Dogs and wolves aren’t the same, and the parallels between them only go so far, but there are certainly interesting vestiges.

    Chimpanzees are an even better analogy for human borders. They actually form kinda-sorta organized militias to fight other groups of chimps over territory. The males are able to cooperate (at least to that extent) because they tend to stay in the same group where they were born, so they’re related. Other primates like baboons have territory, but the females stay put and the males change groups — so the males are more concerned with competing and don’t organize in the same way.

    There’s a lesson in there somewhere. Or at least a metaphor.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
  41. @Anonymous

    She insisted on volunteering in that underprivileged neighborhood.

  42. @Redneck farmer

    Red, probably depends on the neighborhood. Around here we see lots of Labadoodles and Goldendoodles . When I drive in the inner city I see lots of Pit Bulls and Rotts.

  43. I played a recording of wolfs howling for my hunting dog once.
    Just once, the dog almost had a syncope from the excitement.
    Way better than coyote howls, which we were lucky enough to hear from the woods next door once in a while.

  44. @YetAnotherAnon

    Our dog, a mongrel, used to sit on the lawn and howl whenever she heard a siren. Dogs are a lot closer to their wolf ancestors than we like to admit sometimes.

  45. dearieme says:

    I am wrong; they are not really carnivores, it’s just that they have enormous, strong teeth and jaws, and are thereby jolly good at killing people.

  46. @Dieter Kief

    I agree that the howling instinct is still there. About 2 years ago I was walking next to a professional dog walker in Washington DC who had maybe 7 or 8 dogs on leashes. An ambulance with the siren wailing sped by and every single dog in that pack started howling. Quite an event to see and hear.

  47. syonredux says:

    It may have happened accidentally.

    When foxes are bred for tameness, they begin to develop the bark.

    Yeah, that’s my understanding as well.

  48. @YetAnotherAnon

    Is he trying to sing or are those howls of protest/ terror?

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  49. ‘…I presume humans bred howling out of dogs because it interferes with sleep?’

    We bred howling out of Italian wolves.

    When the policy of exterminating them was reversed, Italy had a surviving population of about fifty wolves — and they’d learned not to howl.

  50. @Anon

    The Dutch believe that species is a social construct.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  51. @Almost Missouri

    Eloquently said. Nothing to add except we need that kind of loyalty to each other if we are going to make it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  52. @Redneck farmer

    And if you say they’re not, YOU must have something to hide too.

  53. Mr. Anon says:

    I presume humans bred howling out of dogs because it interferes with sleep?

    It hasn’t been bred out. Our dog is a mix of several working dog breeds, and she howls on occasion.

  54. @Redneck farmer

    My dog becomes less interested in sniffing, the farther we get away from my house. I guess that means he’s interested in “pissing contests” mostly with dogs he knows.

    V.S.Naipaul says something about “the African’s terror at travelling through other tribes’ territory”. That’s somewhere in A Bend in the River (and I’m paraphrasing).

  55. If humans bred howling out of dogs, no one ever bothered to tell the beagles.

  56. @El Dato

    A wiser people could learn much from the wolves and the Saudis.

  57. dvorak says:

    I thought that image was the plot of Chicago’s racial boundaries.

  58. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    From the description to the video:

    Four bears killed a wolf in a zoo in Mierlo, the Netherlands. Visitors saw the incident happen. It is not clear why the bears attacked one of the wolves. The other wolves were SHOOK and tried to stop the bears from killing. The bears and wolves live in the same residence, because the zoo thinks it is an enrichment for both of them (this way they are challenged to get along). The animals in this shelter are known for playing with each other regularly, but apparently the bears were in a killing mood (or hungry). RIP.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  59. @syonredux

    “…Gary, quit it! You’re going to start a howl…”

  60. @syonredux

    Awesome. My baby hasn’t howled so far. But she is a big time barker.

  61. @International Jew

    In my GSD bitch’s case, when we are out for a walk , she puts all the other dogs in the neighborhood in a a constant state of terror. And in many cases, all the other humans.

    In her view, any other creature, human, canine, cervine, sciurine, et al, has absolutely no business within a half mile of her house and she will let them know that in no uncertain terms. She is pretty enthusiastic about protecting her pack’s territory.

  62. @dearieme

    How about introducing hippos to the Rio Grande?

    Ho, ho, ho, this environmentalist is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive.

  63. @CPK

    Dogs and wolves aren’t the same, and the parallels between them only go so far, but there are certainly interesting vestiges.

    Yeah, and yorkies and pit bulls aren’t the same, but their DNA pegs yorkies, wolves, pit bulls and other dogs as the same species.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  64. Pontius says:

    We love a good howl with our malamute. So does he!

  65. Hail says: • Website

    Nobody knows when wolves were finally killed off in Britain

    Some material gleaned from Wolves in Great Britain wiki:

    – In the 900s and 1000s AD, “[Welsh] [and English?] criminals, rather than being put to death, would be ordered to provide a certain number of wolf tongues annually.”

    – “The wolf is generally thought to have become extinct in England during the reign of Henry VII (1485–1509), or at least very rare.”

    – In Scotland, it says wolves hung on until either the late 1600s, 1700s, or 1888.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  66. syonredux says:

    Frederick Russell Burnham floated similar notions back in 1910….

    Transplanting African Animals

    There is in Africa a wonderfully varied range of interesting animals. Most of the desirable ones could easily be introduced into our own Southwest. They would multiply where our own domestic animals can not live. Vast tracts of our lonely deserts could be teeming with life interesting, beautiful, harmless, very useful for food and leather, displacing not a head of our cattle or other domestic stock, offering a grand hunting ground, a true pleasure land to all lovers of animal life.

    Burnham was a pretty interesting guy:

    Frederick Russell Burnham DSO (May 11, 1861 – September 1, 1947) was an American scout and world-traveling adventurer. He is known for his service to the British South Africa Company and to the British Army in colonial Africa, and for teaching woodcraft to Robert Baden-Powell in Rhodesia. He helped inspire the founding of the international Scouting Movement.

    Burnham was born on a Dakota Sioux Indian reservation in Minnesota where he learned the ways of American Indians as a boy. By the age of 14, he was supporting himself in California, while also learning scouting from some of the last of the cowboys and frontiersmen of the American Southwest. Burnham had little formal education, never finishing high school. After moving to the Arizona Territory in the early 1880s, he was drawn into the Pleasant Valley War, a feud between families of ranchers and sheepherders. He escaped and later worked as a civilian tracker for the United States Army in the Apache Wars. Feeling the need for new adventures, Burnham took his family to southern Africa in 1893, seeing Cecil Rhodes’s Cape to Cairo Railway project as the next undeveloped frontier.

    Burnham distinguished himself in several battles in Rhodesia and South Africa and became Chief of Scouts. Despite his U.S. citizenship, his military title was British and his rank of major was formally given to him by King Edward VII. In special recognition of Burnham’s heroism, the King invested him into the Companions of the Distinguished Service Order, giving Burnham the highest military honors earned by any American in the Second Boer War. He had become friends with Baden-Powell during the Second Matabele War in Rhodesia, teaching him outdoor skills and inspiring what would later become known as Scouting. Burnham returned to the United States, where he became involved in national defense efforts, business, oil, conservation, and the Boy Scouts of America (BSA).

    During World War I, Burnham was selected as an officer and recruited volunteers for a U.S. Army division similar to the Rough Riders, which Theodore Roosevelt intended to lead into France. For political reasons, the unit was disbanded without seeing action. After the war, Burnham and his business partner John Hays Hammond formed the Burnham Exploration Company; they became wealthy from oil discovered in California. Burnham joined several new wilderness conservation organizations, including the California State Parks Commission. In the 1930s, he worked with the BSA to save the big horn sheep from extinction. This effort led to the creation of the Kofa and Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuges in Arizona. He earned the BSA’s highest honor, the Silver Buffalo Award, in 1936, and remained active in the organization at both the regional and national level until his death in 1947. To symbolise the friendship between Burnham and Baden-Powell, the mountain beside Mount Baden-Powell in California was formally named Mount Burnham in 1951.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dtbb
  67. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Saxophones, like trumpets. trombones, tubas (brasswinds) and the other woodwinds like oboes, clarinets and flutes haven’t “died out”, they just assumed their rightful status as the instruments of school bands and other semi-serious and serious ensembles. The electric guitar is a major and, I have to admit, outsized phenomenon: banjos, mandolins, and such are in the again, “normal” category.

    The existence of multimillion dollar vintage Ferraris does not make “normal” old cars underpriced, it’s the average American car of the fifties and sixties that is normal and Ferraris are grossly overvalued for the reasons modern art is worth stupid money.

    For the last three decades, Debbie Harry has had on her wall a Warhol of herself that for many years was worth more than she was, the painting aside. It was a famous in-joke amongst her hardcore fans. Now with incessant touring she has made a few more million, but still, that painting is probably thirty or forty percent of her net spendable wealth.

    It’s like soccer. Americans correctly assess soccer as a good participant sport for the young but a crummy spectator sport as opposed to American Football, Hockey, Basketball, and that other game where they hit the ball with a bat and run around leftways like stock cars over those square things.

  68. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d like to see cheetahs introduced to North America as coursing animals and pets, for rural owners who can put up with their singular disadvantage as a household animal, their propensity to poop on stuff.

  69. @dearieme

    Isn’t anyone harvesting the venison? Lurve me some Bambi!

  70. Twinkie says:

    Siberian Huskies howl. I could get mine to howl on cue by howling myself.

  71. Twinkie says:
    @Cagey Beast

    My kids’ favorite comic books – Asterix and Obelix! They have the entire collection available on Amazon. Actually, they are the only comic books my kids have.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  72. Twinkie says:

    we need that kind of loyalty to each other if we are going to make it.

    The trick is – always – defining that “we.” People have different definitions of “we.”

    • Replies: @L Woods
  73. L Woods says:

    Indeed. The kleptocracy seems pretty loyal to itself.

  74. So That’s What All the Sniffing, Leg-Lifting, and Howling Is About

    You talkin’ bout my lifting regimen?

  75. Harold says:

    Here is von Humboldt on native American dogs, which ostensibly didn’t bark.

    In the countries we had just passed through, between the Meta, the Arauca, and the Apure, there were found, at the time of the first expeditions to the Orinoco, in 1535, those mute dogs, called by the natives maios, and auries. This fact is curious in many points of view. We cannot doubt that the dog, whatever Father Gili may assert, is indigenous in South America. The different Indian languages furnish words to designate this animal, which are scarcely derived from any European tongue. To this day the word auri, mentioned three hundred years ago by Alonzo de Herrera, is found in the Maypure. The dogs we saw at the Orinoco may perhaps have descended from those that the Spaniards carried to the coast of Caracas; but it is not less certain that there existed a race of dogs before the conquest, in Peru, in New Granada, and in Guiana, resembling our shepherds’ dogs. The allco of the natives of Peru, and in general all the dogs that we found in the wildest countries of South America, bark frequently. The first historians, however, all speak of mute dogs (perros mudos). They still exist in Canada; and, what appears to me worthy of attention, it was this dumb variety that was eaten in preference in Mexico,* and at the Orinoco. A very well informed traveller, M. Giesecke, who resided six years in Greenland, assured me that the dogs of the Esquimaux, which pass their lives in the open air and bury themselves in winter beneath the snow, do not bark, but howl like wolves.*

    [* They sit down in a circle, one of them begins to howl alone and the others follow in the same tone. The groups of alouate monkeys howl in the same manner, and among them the Indians distinguish the leader of the band. It was the practice at Mexico to castrate the mute dogs in order to fatten them. This operation must have contributed to alter the organ of the voice.]

  76. @YetAnotherAnon

    Marines and the SOF guys try to recover their comrades sometimes at cost.

  77. @Daniel H

    And notice how valiantly the other wolves fought back, but they were just overmatched. There will be payback.

    No wolf is an island.

  78. Some interesting and wrong observations about dogs. Wrt howling, I’ve always had dogs that will howl when they darn well feel like it. Fortunately, none of them have been frequent howlers. Wrt marking turf, my pets are expansionists. They love nothing more than getting in the car to have infinite capacity to widen their turf. I’ve also noticed that returning to old hunting grounds gives them great joy.

    Obviously dogs adapt to technology quite readily. It’s not the least bit confusing to them to skip over undesirable territory by driving past on the easement or highway to appropriate better territory. Cooked food is preferable to raw. The refrigerator is a veritable garden of delights and deliveries from Chewy are just part of life. Disembodied voices via telephone upsets one of my dogs but no other breed I’ve owned has had this problem.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  79. Dtbb says:

    I think there are/were plans to make a movie about this guy.

  80. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
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  81. Hail says: • Website


    ‘All Tweet, No Action’ Trump really needs to be held accountable. I sense an opposition from the nationalist-populist Right has emerged in full force in past weeks, after months of being pent-up by the emotion associated with the then-upcoming election.

    Tucker says Trump has failed in the following, characteritically eloquent way:


    Interviewer: Do you think he has kept his promises? Has he achieved his goals?

    Tucker: No.

    Interviewer: He hasn’t?

    Tucker: No. His chief promises were that he would build the wall, de-fund planned parenthood, and repeal Obamacare, and he hasn’t done any of those things. There are a lot of reasons for that, but since I finished writing the book, I’ve come to believe that Trump’s role is not as a conventional president who promises to get certain things achieved to the Congress and then does. I don’t think he’s capable. I don’t think he’s capable of sustained focus. I don’t think he understands the system. I don’t think the Congress is on his side. I don’t think his own agencies support him. He’s not going to do that.

    I think Trump’s role is to begin the conversation about what actually matters. We were not having any conversation about immigration before Trump arrived in Washington. […]

    That last line an optimistic interpretation.

    It could also be that Trump has been running an elaborate con all along with the effect of neutralizing the nationalist-populist Right…rather than “starting a conversation.” (Trump pulled a last-minute con on us all with his brightright citizenship stunt, days before the election; no action on that since then; not a word. Just more reality-TV drama.)

  82. @Twinkie

    My kids’ favorite comic books – Asterix and Obelix! They have the entire collection available on Amazon. Actually, they are the only comic books my kids have.

    Perhaps you should get them the entire Tintin series, too.

  83. Huskies howl. They rarely bark.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  84. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t have time to read the thread but wanted to say coyotes howl does not interfere with sleep because they do it in short intense sessions at —least in the SW. Also it’s usually earlier in the evening asopposed to 3 am etc.

    I’ve live in many coyote infested areas and the pattern holds.

    In the east they are mixed with gray wolf so their habits might be different.

  85. Trevor H. says:
    @miss marple

    Obviously dogs adapt to technology quite readily.

    Very few animals are able to judge the threat presented by a motor vehicle approaching at high speed.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Kyle
    , @stillCARealist
  86. davosbane says:

    I didn’t know bears would work together like that. I always thought bears mostly tolerated each other, occasionally socializing, but not forming any lasting relationships.

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  87. RVBlake says:

    “It is not clear why the bears killed one of the wolves.” Speaks volumes.

  88. @davosbane

    Uh oh, the bears are teaming up …

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  89. Kyle says:
    @Trevor H.

    Over the past few years I’ve noticed Canada geese start to mush their goslings across the road faster as they see or hear a car approaching. I’ve also seen them stop their goslings and wait for cars to pass. Often now I see deer waiting for cars to pass at the edge of the road, and I never used to see that. I think natural selection is taking course.

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  90. @Kyle

    I was riding in the front passenger seat of a car on a fishing trip in the Sierra Nevada in c. 1978 when a deer dashed out and we smashed into it at 45 mph. We then debated whether we should run over the deer to put it out of its misery, but then it got up. We drove to a phone and called the forest rangers who said they’d take care of it. We kind of assumed that the rangers would gently nurse it back to health over several months like in a Disney TV show, but when we were coming back, there the deer was dead by the side of the road because the rangers had taken care of it by shooting it.

    That previous year I was driving through Big Bend National Park on a backpacking trip in a station wagon when out raced a daddy javelina pig, followed by mama javelina, followed by baby javelina. I hit the brakes as hard as I could without skidding off the road, but BOMP BOMP I ran over baby javelina with both my front and rear wheels with five guys in the wagon. I pulled to a stop and turned around to see if I needed to put the baby javelina out of its misery. But it had gotten up and ran off the road.

    Javelinas are less delicate than deer.

  91. @Steve Sailer

    Deer are like horses – a broken leg and that’s more or less it, because you can’t tell the horse just to put its leg up and rest. You can sometimes use expensive recovery pools, but results aren’t certain.

    “From the earliest days of equine surgery under anesthesia, veterinarians recognized that there were enormous risks during the recovery phase. Horses are prey animals, and their instinct is always to run away from trouble. Every time a horse awakes from general anesthesia, it will attempt to stand and run before it fully recovers its coordination and strength. In most instances, horses still manage to rise and recover. But a horse recovering from a repaired fracture will often overload the repaired limb so severely that the entire surgical repair can catastrophically fail, even in a padded stall. The consequence is a “successful” surgery, but a euthanized horse. “

    PS – the France memes are great

    “Just a 7 year old girl asking for air strikes on Paris”.

  92. @Twinkie

    Tintin is leftist, no?

    Not unless he’s been retconned into being a lefty, no.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  93. And then the third pack starts to howl, “And if any of you two packs even THINK of coming near our women, no one’s making it back to their caves tonight in one piece!”

    After all, some of the howling has to be about showing who the top alpha is, correct? Flexing the muscles and getting ready to fight over the supply of women.

  94. @Trevor H.

    “Deer in the headlights.”

    I just watched a deer get killed by a car when it leapt out suddenly into the side of a speeding sedan in front of me. The sedan was quite dented, but the deer was utterly dead.

  95. @Steve Sailer

    Which is why javelinas basically rule the American southwest. You think buzzards are at the apex, but it’s them dang hogs. One of them bit my uncle in the foot, and he wound up getting a whole series of painful rabies shots.

  96. @Steve Sailer

    Bears are first place in the NFC North now as all my Chicago friends are eager to remind me. When Bears work together it can be dangerous

  97. @PiltdownMan

    I read Tintin as a kid.
    When my younger brother Stephen was learning to talk he couldn’t say his own name so he called himself Tintin. I considered revealing that during a toast at his wedding reception but spared him. He was still a bit mad I even told people he used to have a nickname, even if I didn’t reveal it

  98. HA says:

    “Tintin is leftist, no?”

    Definitely not.

    In the late 20th and early 21st centuries, several campaigners and writers characterised Tintin in the Congo as racist due to its portrayal of the Congolese as infantile and stupid. According to Tom McCarthy, Hergé depicted the Congolese as “good at heart but backwards and lazy, in need of European mastery.” There had been no such controversy when originally published

    As noted earlier, artwork didn’t help much.

    There’s also the unfortunate fact that Hergé is Belgian, as was King Heart-of-Darkness Leopold, the “founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State, a private project undertaken on his own behalf”, whose agents were known for chopping hands off local residents they regarded as lazy.

    To be fair, Hergé’s racism was directed at most anyone who wasn’t Belgian, so it was a more or less equal opportunity affair, but others take a different viewpoint altogether. From his wiki page:

    Michael Farr asserted that Hergé had “an acute political conscience” during his earlier days, as exemplified by his condemnation of racism in the United States evident in Tintin in America. Literary critic Tom McCarthy went further, remarking that Tintin in America represented the emergence of a “left-wing counter tendency” in Hergé’s work that rebelled against his right-wing milieu and which was particularly critical of wealthy capitalists and industrialists. This was furthered in The Blue Lotus, in which Hergé rejected his “classically right-wing” ideas to embrace an anti-imperialist stance, and in a contemporary Quick & Flupke strip in which he lampooned the far right leaders of Germany and Italy, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

    So, in that sense, the royalist, anti-imperialist, and right-wing Hergé was one of original paleocons. (But that also means he’s a prime target for retconning.)

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  99. dearieme says:

    Thank you for that haul of ancient lore. I’d say that it can indeed be summarised as “nobody knows when wolves were finally killed off in Britain”. Nobody seems to know to within a couple of centuries.

  100. syonredux says:

    My kids’ favorite comic books – Asterix and Obelix! They have the entire collection available on Amazon. Actually, they are the only comic books my kids have.

    Perhaps you should get them the entire Tintin series, too.

    I gave a collection of Harold Foster’s Prince Valiant to a friend’s son for his 8th birthday. He loved it:

  101. Moreover, lone wolves wandering in foreign territory run the risk of getting ripped apart for violating borders.

    Based wolves.

    • Replies: @Hail
  102. @Anonymous

    I think that zoo needs even more enrichment, place the zookeepers responsible in with the bears and the wolves.

  103. Hail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    lone wolves wandering in foreign territory run the risk of getting ripped apart

    Rival wolf packs, though, don’t have the State to step in and takes sides.

    A wolf pack targeting solitary member of another pack who had wandered into its territory alone (Aug. 2017):

    The State finishing the job (Dec. 2018)

    (See here for description of the second image, #314)

  104. @Anon

    sounds plausible imo, very interesting video thnx:)

  105. In response to howls going up around town a girlfriend’s dog started howling one evening while I was there. On a whim, I joined in the howling. The dog stopped. Looked at me, and under his breath made a noise sort of half way between a growl and grunt and walked out of the room.

    Dog is not mocked!

  106. Twinkie says:

    Thank you for the explanation.

  107. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    When they breed wolves with dogs they breed them to the more wolf like dogs like huskies or German shepherds. I wonder what would happen if you crossed a wolf to, for example, a retriever or another similar sized dog that is not wolflike.

  108. @Twinkie

    Not at all! Hergé was a patriotic royalist Catholic who was strongly opposed to Bolshevism in the 1920s and 30s. Tintin’s very first adventure was in the USSR, in which he exposes the criminality of the Bolshevik regime and is hunted down by the OGPU. Hergé was also heavily influenced by his youthful experiences as a Boy Scout, and I think he saw his work in comics as a way to help instill patriotic values, an interest in the natural world, a desire to travel the world and, most of all, a love of adventure in young readers.

    The racial politics of Tintin are somewhat ambiguous, as a previous commenter mentioned. On the one hand, there are some very crude and mean-spirited caricatures of black Africans in some of the comics. There are also somewhat stereotypical depictions of Greek, German, Jewish, Russian, Japanese, Arab, et cetera villains, though I think these are more amusing and light-hearted than anything else.(Though written by a Franco-Belgian, the comics have a very Anglo-Saxon-centric world view.)

    Against that, there’s Tintin’s adventure in China, set during the Manchurian Incident, in which Tintin joins the locals to fight against both Japanese and European imperialists, and forms a very close friendship with a young Chinese lad, inspired by a friend of Hergé’s. There’s also a later adventure in which Gyptians are depicted quite sympathetically, though not wholly so. Tintin also works alongside Latin American and Arab allies in some of his adventures.

    All in all, the comics are very wholesome entertainment for young boys in my estimation, much better than the mindless, ugly dreck that so many children are inundated with on television these days on the Nickelodeon channel. Tintin is a great role model for the virtues of courage, adventurousness, outdoorsmanship, wide ranging practical competence, physical fitness, honesty and loyalty. I’m very grateful to my father for reading them to me as a child, and I look forward to reading them to my sons in the future.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  109. Twinkie says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    My thanks for the detailed explanation.

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