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From the New York Times:

Only 7 Black Students Got Into N.Y.’s Most Selective High School, Out of 895 Spots

Students at Stuyvesant High School, where only seven black applicants gained admission on Monday.

Smirking white boys like these are keeping angelic black baby bodies out of Stuyvesant HS. Don’t you just want to punch them?

By Eliza Shapiro
March 18, 2019

Only a tiny number of black students were offered admission to the highly selective public high schools in New York City on Monday, raising the pressure on officials to confront the decades-old challenge of integrating New York’s elite public schools.

At Stuyvesant High School, out of 895 slots in the freshman class, only seven were offered to black students. And the number of black students is shrinking: There were 10 black students admitted into Stuyvesant last year, and 13 the year before.

Another highly selective specialized school, the Bronx High School of Science, made 12 offers to black students this year, down from 25 last year.

These numbers come despite Mayor Bill de Blasio’s vow to diversify the specialized high schools, which have long been seen as a ticket for low-income and immigrant students to enter the nation’s best colleges and embark on successful careers.

But Mr. de Blasio’s proposal to scrap the entrance exam for the schools and overhaul the admissions process has proved so divisive that the state’s most prominent politicians, from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have mostly avoided taking a definitive position — even as black and Hispanic students are grappling with increasingly steep odds of admission into the city’s eight most selective public schools.

Students gain entry into the specialized schools by acing a single high-stakes exam that tests their mastery of math and English. Some students spend months or even years preparing for the exam. Stuyvesant, the most selective of the schools, has the highest cutoff score for admission, and now has the lowest percentage of black and Hispanic students of any of New York City’s roughly 600 public high schools.

Lawmakers considering Mr. de Blasio’s proposal have faced a backlash from the specialized schools’ alumni organizations and from Asian-American groups who believe discarding the test would water down the schools’ rigorous academics and discriminate against the mostly low-income Asian students who make up the majority of the schools’ student bodies. (At Stuyvesant, 74 percent of current students are Asian-American.)

So, like the picture shows, 74% of Stuyvesant is white.

A reader writes:

One interesting aspect of this article is how relatively little ink is spilled pointing to racial discrimination as THE salient factor of Black/Hispanic academic performance. I expected the usual racial bias hysteria but it’s actually meager.

It’s as if the interminable data year after year and year has in some sense — ever so slightly — taken the sting and outrage out of the argument. Plus, Asians evidently won’t allow it to be used as a weapon against their interests.

Of course the #1 take-home message is the obvious power of the Asian American community to put their foot down and say NO. The politicians mentioned in the Times article clearly fear the Asian voting block and money and in an astounding shift … refuse to reflexively bend their knee to Blacks and Hispanics interests. Fascinating.

Lastly, Whites are ignored and squeezed in the middle as usual. They are the left-over number inserted after ethnic politics have played out. Evidently, even when Whites are a minority … they aren’t a Minority.

Whites will be the Legacy Majority forever.

 
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  1. I’m white, handsome, glib, smirk like Hugh Hefner, and I couldn’t get into Stuyvesent on a bet or a prayer. One simple reason: not smart enough. I have no problem with that, and neither should the thousands who aren’t smart enough, whatever their race, creed or religion.

  2. bomag says:

    …the decades-old challenge of integrating New York’s elite public schools

    The emotional labor of saying snarky and funny things to such NYT phrases has left me crushed and broken.

  3. If Black students want to get into Stuyvesant High School, they better start studying as much as the Asian students do. Why have lazy Blacks at a top ranked high school?

  4. Thomm says:

    (At Stuyvesant, 74 percent of current students are Asian-American.)

    Which sort of makes it impossible for Harvard, Stanford, etc. to claim that they should be far from 74% Asian.

    According to Steve’s own data, Ivies should be 52% Asian, and MIT should be at least 80% Asian.

  5. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    If Black students want to get into Stuyvesant High School, they better start studying as hard as the Asian kids do, otherwise they don’t deserve to be there! I am sure that more than 7 Blacks could make it into the school if they were not so lazy!

    • Replies: @Duke84
  6. Clyde says:

    And of these seven black kids how many are imports like Obama, versus real American blacks, such as Moochelle. The Barbados import named Eric Holder went to Stuyvesant.

  7. Daniel H says:

    We should encourage enmity between blacks, browns, yellows and left-whites. I would donate money to fund a lawsuit that challenges the status quo.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  8. Sorry. Tax dollars pay for this. Genius Asians can get scholarships to private high schools. Also, I’m not seeing evidence of the decades of Asian genius from NYs elite magnet schools. Sorry, again.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  9. What? All of the White Supremacists here are OK with Stuyvesant being majority Asian and Jewish?

    (They say irony isn’t clear on the internet – so for those of you that did not get into Stuyvesant, I was being ironic.)

    • Replies: @anon
  10. I worked in the area next to Stuyvesant a decade ago and was always flabbergasted to see, when school let out in the afternoon, Asian math nerd kids straight out of central casting smoking vast quantities of dank weed in the nearby park. They must have a lot of brain cells to spare.
    I also recall a big cheating scandal at the time.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  11. Why not just start up rivals to these schools?

    Willem Kieft High School— after the cutthroat predecessor to Peter Stuyvesant. He ordered a massacre of Indians that nobody else wanted anything to do with. But he was boss. Makes Stuyvesant look like a pussycat. Asians might like this guy.

    Lady Deborah Moody School for Girls— honoring one of the great conservative woman leaders that history unfairly snubs. Founded the English village of Gravesend (named for Kieft’s hometown in Holland), the first place in the world outside Rhode Island to offer freedom of conscience.

    Newark High School of Science— Hey, Newark needs something. Why not the castoffs of NYC’s elite schools?

    Prince Henry the Navigator Nautical Academy— this could be in Queens, which was named for Vila Viçosa native Catarina de Bragança, Queen Consort of England, or over in Portuguese Newark. Putting these brats on boats will straighten them out!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Olorin
  12. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Finchg

    Even if I was that smart I wouldn’t have wanted to work that hard. Give me a decent middle class halfway decent high school (which I had) and something resembling a normal teenage experience.

  13. @Thomm

    The white:Asian ratio of NYC is much higher than its national equivalent.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  14. How about a compromise: let just a few more black students in, and erase the legacy of the badwhite Peter Stuyvesant and rename it Malcolm X High School.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Twinkie
  15. guest says:

    Shall anything ever increase pressure against integration? I mean, why are we trying so hard?

    Here’s an alternative headline: Only Seven Black Students Got Into Fancy School; Why Are Black Kids So Dumb, and Can We Wisen the Little Ne’re-Do-Wells Up?

  16. Note that the NY Times deceptively uses very similar blue color schemes in its bar graph for Asians and Whites so that the casual reader might think that Stuyvesant is 88% White.

    Of course, the New York elite do not care about Stuyvesant anymore because it is largely the domain of middle class and working class Asian strivers. Thankfully, Stuyvesant has a strong alumni association, many of whom are in positions of influence, that value intelligence over politics.

    Many people who send their children to exclusive private schools in New York City want to lower the standards at New York City’s elite public schools. The elite private schools take in many highly talented black students which limits the supply for the elite public schools.

    • Agree: Twinkie, ic1000
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Mr McKenna
  17. Anon7 says:

    Which should I be more worried about:

    1) Small numbers of the world’s smartest people come to live in New York, and their kids take over spots at the most competitive schools.
    Or
    2) Vast numbers of the world’s lowest IQ and most violent people come to live in the United States, and soak up all of our money, and maybe eventually reconstitute their s***hole cultures right here.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Tom-in-VA
    , @Lurker
    , @El Dato
  18. Paul says:

    I am surprised that Asians have the political power to pull off a system like this in New York City.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  19. Lot says:
    @Thomm

    “Which sort of makes it impossible for Harvard, Stanford, etc. to claim that they should be far from 74% Asian.”

    1. NYC is more Asian than the Harvard applicant pool.
    2. Whites in NYC tend to send their children to private high schools even if they could get into the elite public schools.
    3. In many urban areas, you have elementary districts that are very small with good demographics, but the same block is in larger HS district that is not. So the white NYC resident with smart children may send them to the good local public elementary school but leave for thw suburbs for HS. Asians do this less often.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  20. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow

    “Should New York City remove statues of its anti-Semitic Dutch governor?”

    https://www.jta.org/2017/08/22/united-states/should-new-york-city-remove-statues-of-its-anti-semitic-dutch-governor

    “Peter Stuyvesant was an extreme racist who targeted Jews and other minorities including Catholics and energetically tried to prohibit them from settling in then New Amsterdam,” read a statement by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, Shurat HaDin’s president. “New York, of all American cities, which boasts such important Jewish history and claims such a present day vibrant Jewish community, should take the lead in denouncing Stuyvesant’s bigotry.”

    The group’s complaint would affect a range of locations and institutions around the city — from the elite Stuyvesant High School to Bedford-Stuyvesant, a Brooklyn neighborhood. The Dutchman also has a statue in Manhattan’s Stuyvesant Square.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  21. @IQ Realist

    Why have lazy Blacks at a top ranked high school?

    Well, the justification offered by the likes of Harvard, Yale and Stanford is that everyone benefits from Diversity, even those who are punished by it. Lazy, entitled blacks are just as deserving as hyper-focused Asian grinds, and it’s all part of the rich tapestry of American society. This is how and why we get Jerelyn Luther and friends decorating our most prominent college campuses.

    Of course, it’s also why we have the knock-on effects of cascading academic mismatch all the way down to your local land-grant institution and even further.

    Meanwhile, how many of the ‘white minority’ at Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are what we used to call ‘Christian’?

  22. Twinkie says:
    @Thomm

    Which sort of makes it impossible for Harvard, Stanford, etc. to claim that they should be far from 74% Asian.

    NYC and the country at large have a very different demographic composition.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  23. swamped says:

    “Of course the #1 take-home message is the obvious power of the Asian American community to put their foot down and say NO”…of course, the power of the Asian-American ‘community’ to put their variegated foot down & say NO is not at all obvious, either in the article or outside. If it was, it wouldn’t be necessary to have a federal lawsuit pending now over Ivy League admissions.
    The NYT & the rest of the fake media have their own obvious biases, which, of course is the “#1 take-home message” of the slanted reporting:promoting black&hispanic interests & blaming, ‘obviously, of course’, whites & now, too, Asian-Americans or anyone who dares do better than blacks on standardized tests. It’s not at all clear that “the politicians mentioned in the Times article… fear the Asian voting block and money” or that there has been any “astounding shift” among them to “refuse to reflexively bend their knee to Blacks and Hispanics interests.” Or whether the NYT would have its readers believe this to scapegoat Asian-Americans now, along with “the specialized schools’ alumni organizations” i.e. whites.
    “Lastly, Whites are ignored and squeezed in the middle as usual”. This is probably the ‘#1 take home message’ that ‘obviously, of course’ the NYT would never even hint at & for which there will NEVER be any “astounding shift” among the politicians fit to be mentioned in a NYT article. However, it does seem a little puzzling that “the picture shows, 74% of Stuyvesant is white” & the article says: ” (At Stuyvesant, 74 percent of current students are Asian-American.)” Are they the same now?
    Although, it is interesting that the accompanying photo features four white males from the school’s minority – in the foreground; while the Asians – from the school’s overwhelming majority – are in the blurred background. So, it’s obvious, of course, where the blame really belongs for the NYT race-baiters. Nothing astounding about that.

  24. Shmendrix says:

    Somewhat OT:
    There’s something about these bikini-clad spring break brawlers I just can’t put my finger on. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6822477/Shocking-video-shows-group-bikini-clad-women-having-HUGE-fight-Miami-Spring-Break.html

  25. 22pp22 says:

    Off-topic but New Zealand’s PM is proving that it is possible to be more stupid than Justin Trudeau.

    She had promised new firemarms legislation in TEN DAYS. Most countries have bicameral legislatures so that legislation can be properly scrutinised before it is enacted. We have a unicamercal legislature and legislation by emotion.

    Trump phoned her up to ask he what he could do to help. On behalf of all four and a half million Kiwis, she made an enemy of the most powerful man in the work just so that she could grandstand. She said “Respect all Muslim communities.” What?!? Does that include ISIS?

    Simon Bridges, the leader of the opposition, is even more of an idiot – yes, it is possble. He has apologised for opposing the UN pact on migration. He now realised he was wrong.

    I would like to say it is just the government, not the people, but that would be untrue. I have completely lost faith in the good sense of New Zealanders. Whay happend to being “staunch?” That used to be the number one Kiwi virtue. Now it is demonstrating to the world how much of a public prick you can make of yourself.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    , @Bill
    , @snorlax
    , @anon
  26. Twinkie says:
    @Clifford Brown

    New York elite do not care about Stuyvesant anymore because it is largely the domain of middle class and working class Asian strivers.

    Stuy has been the domain of the middle and working class “strivers” as long as it’s been a magnet school. It’s just that the ranks of those were mostly white (often Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants, though the latter two groups also had access to Catholic schools) in their past whereas they are now mostly Asian in NYC.

    It’s funny though the mainstream media is always on about the lack of NAM “access” to these “elite” high schools with nary a mention of the actually elite prep schools in NYC.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  27. @Clifford Brown

    Many people who send their children to exclusive private schools in New York City want to lower the standards at New York City’s elite public schools. The elite private schools take in many highly talented black students which limits the supply for the elite public schools.

    Very good points from a very good post. In the states with notable public universities (e.g. CA, VA, MI, NC) letters are written to state house reps and newspaper editors every year from taxpayers who are furious that little Mopsy and Melvin didn’t make the cut for the flagship school. The argument quickly reduces to the proposition that every school should have the same standards as every other.

    They don’t call it ‘Cultural Marxism’ for nothing.

  28. Twinkie says:
    @WowJustWow

    badwhite Peter Stuyvesant

    I’m surprised that the ol’ Pegleg’s name has survived to this day. He was involved in the Dutch-Jewish slave trade!

  29. Twinkie says:

    So, like the picture shows, 74% of Stuyvesant is white.

    11 out of 15, though, is close enough at 73.3%

    • Replies: @European-American
  30. Never forget that “Fun City” Mayor John Lindsay tried to implement affirmative action at Stuyvesant High School in the early 1970s and this policy was blocked by Jewish voters who still were dominant at the elite public high schools. The admission standards at the elite public high schools in New York City are controlled by the New York State legislature and not the City Council because Jewish voters in the 1970’s were concerned that City Hall would side with Blacks over Jews.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @George
  31. Paul says:

    From my experience going to school with Asian kids, they tend to be overachievers. They will put in a lot of effort. The local library will be packed with them sitting together around tables after school gets out. They get higher grades than would be expected from their results on standardized tests. And they have little respect for black and Hispanic kids they see as putting in minimal effort. The daughter of an Asian friend of my mother said the blacks and Hispanics “do not even try.”

  32. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    De Blasio a few years ago made a big deal about a program offering free test prep for students planning on applying to the elite New York high schools. How did that turn out? Good question. I can’t find any followup on the results. The whole program seems to have been memory-holed. I have noticed fewer “test prep” excuses from officials than in the past, however.

    Steve’s theory about smart black kids going to places like the Dalton School don’t really pan out numerically. Dalton takes about 18 black students per grade in admissions. Multiply that by ten and it still doesn’t explain the few black kids in the elite high schools.

    Also, Dalton takes in young kids, who are not old enough to be precisely cognitively evaluated. They then turn out to be not so smart. The two black Dalton students profiled in the documentary American Promise turn out to be a little slow (diagnosed with a “learning disability,” I believe “low IQ test score syndrome”), given tutors, who are reserved for black students, and eventually hounded out of the school. One wanted to be a professional basketball player, but couldn’t even make the Dalton team, although he also suffered from a “vertical disability.”

    One of the kids applies to Stanford, his dad’s alma mater, and gets rejected. Dad, from South Central, went on to Harvard Medical School, became a psychiatrist, then apparently ended up as a prison head shrinker, then quickly abandoned medicine and went into documentary filmmaking. I’m wondering if he was AA’ed through Stanford and Harvard Med and the rubber hit the road when he had to get a real job after graduation? Being a prison doctor is the equvalent of the black Harvard Law grad who takes a job as an assistant D.A. or a public defender. So is the Stanford-rejected kid reverting to the mean, or was the dad not as smart as everyone assumes? By the way, following the African American tradition of flaunting credentials, decades after bailing out of medicine, on his film-making website dad still uses the M.D. after his name.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Dan Hayes
    , @Lot
  33. I propose a new set of admissions criteria for Asians seeking to attend Stuyvesant: we’ll call it the Stuyvesant-Building Challenge.

    Asian applicants will be asked to band together as a group (I know, I know, Asians acting in group-interest coordination, it’s impossible to imagine) and use their incredible test scores and stratospheric X-Men IQs to… build another school, this one for Asians, that is just as good as Stuyvesant!

    The gigantic pulsating big brains-of-genius Asians should have no problem creating such a school. After all, if the evil dopey round-eyes could do it, Asians can build one in a parking lot in Suffolk County in a jiffy! It won’t even have to be carved straight out of a wilderness, the way the dumb White devils did it. The parking lot is already there, and the land is surveyed, outfitted with infrastructure, the building equipment has already been invented, the social capital is in place — all courtesy of dumb, evil, lazy undeserving White guys!

    Think of it: if Asians win the Build Stuyvesant Challenge, they can then attend brand new Confucius Academy, which is every bit as good as Stuyvesant. And if they fail, there’s always Brooklyn Tech. We’ll just ask them to spiff the place up a bit, not build it from scratch.

  34. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    “vertical disability.”

    No leaping ability which is fatal to an aspiring b-ball player. Your sarcastic commentary!

  35. OT: Caught the Lizzie Holmes/Theranos HBO (The Inventor: something, something something …) documentary tonight and it was a hoot.

  36. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    Anon[336]:

    You queried about the free test prep course for elite high schools offered by NYC.

    The answer: very few blacks or Hispanics availed of it. Of course, the Asians took advantage of it!

  37. Clyde says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Stuyvesant High School moved downtown to 345 Chambers Street in Battery Park City, TriBeCa in 1992. The new ten-floor, $250 million building has 12 laboratories, a large cafeteria overlooking the Hudson River, 12 shops, multiple gymnasia, a 25-yard, six-lane swimming pool, over 450 computers on 13 networks, and a 26″ color RCA television in almost every room. Moviegoers may be able to recognize the school from several scenes in the movie Hackers, filmed in November, 1994 using upperclassmen students as extras.

    Shortly after the new building was completed, a bridge was built at a cost of $10 million to allow students to enter the building without having to cross the extremely busy and dangerous West Street. The bridge is now the primary method by which students enter the building, and many Stuyvesant students will have memories of crossing it twice a day.

  38. OT, but of recurring iSteve interest:

    The American Thinker is reporting (LINK) that the Oroville Dam, after repairs costing $1.1 billion, is leaking again:

    According to national dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, Oroville Dam is on the same failure track as in 2017, with visible water seepage trickling from the foot of the dam and dozens of points along the dam’s principal spillway. Cahill warns that warming temperatures magnified by precipitation is a growing threat to the dam.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Steve Sailer
    , @Bill
  39. More important question, when is Stuyvesant HS going to be renamed and his statue taken down?

    The Case Against Peter Stuyvesant

    In 1647, Peter Stuyvesant, became the Director General of New Netherland. Stuyvesant increased the number of enslaved Africans in the colony and became the largest owner of enslaved African in New Netherland.

    Stuyvesant, who owned forty slaves, was the largest private slave owner. In 1660, he supervised what was probably Manhattan’s first public auction of human beings.

    wrote to the Dutch West India Company in Amsterdam asking permission to expel the Jews. Stuyvesant told the company that he “deemed it useful to require them in a friendly way to depart.”

    The company agreed that Jews in the colony could be banned from holding public office, opening a retail shop, or establishing a synagogue.

    In 1654, Stuyvesant wrote to Dutch West India Company in 1654 officials that “the deceitful race, — such hateful enemies and blasphemers of the name of Christ, — be not allowed to further infect and trouble this new colony.”

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  40. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The sole source on that Oroville Dam story is Scott Cahill, an all-around conspiracy nut. He and his wife post on their blog about QAnon, 9/11, and mysterious hidden messages from Korea. No media source, including local print and broadcast, are reporting a problem with the dam. Of course, broken clocks are right twice a day, so a full-time nut like Cahill is bound to eventually be right about something.

  41. Clyde says:

    In the vein of running amok. But in Chicago. This entertaining American Thinker comment:

    Kzintosch hosquatch • a day ago

    Moose-Hell O’Bambi is a member of Chicago’s Black Royalty. This is how she got into the Ivies. It is also why an ambitious young politician on the make, Barack O’Bambi, viewed her as a suitable marriage prospect. An uncle of hers is the same Robert Taylor, after whom the Robert Taylor Homes were named. This was a series of about thirty high-rise “de luxe apartments in the sky” for Section 8 housing.

    They lined the eastern side of the Dan Ryan Expressway. About 100,000 residents receiving Section 8 were living in them; all of them were black. Concerning these projects, many are the stories I have heard about: flaming mattresses coming out of windows; holes blown in walls to allow easier access between apartment units; bullet holes in cars traversing the Ryan; and cops refusing to go upstairs in the projects, demanding to take crime statements in the lobbies.

    One time, a Roman Catholic nun living a few hundred yards north of the projects “woke up dead” one morning when a bullet entered her brain while she was sleeping. Although the Robert Taylor Homes were built in the 1960s and designed to last 100 years, they were torn down about ten years ago as being no longer inhabitable.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/malia_michelle_barack_and_the_college_admissions_scandal_comments.html#disqus_thread

    ^^^ Just as a visitor I had to drive the Dan Ryan a few times circa 1992 and it was v stressful. Even though I lived 1300 miles away it had a reputation. How did I even know this without internet, but I somehow did.

  42. @Anon

    Fair enough — I’m not even in the USA, much less CA, so I’m just passing something along.

    I sincerely hope that you are right; the people living in that area must be very tired of worrying about all of that water up the hill.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  43. Lot says:
    @Anon

    “Being a prison doctor is the equvalent of the black Harvard Law grad who takes a job as an assistant D.A. or a public defender.”

    Prison doctors in California who do a lot of OT make 500k-800k a year.

  44. @Twinkie

    Just the title, the photo, and the percentages would be enough to make this a great and infuriating post.

    Maybe they could just photoshop the Covington kid’s smirking face onto any photo that talks about racial or ethnic issues in the US, or indeed the world. For example, I’m pretty sure he has something to do with the New Zealand massacre.

    In the photo I count:

    * 8 definitely Asian students (including the only 2 girls)
    * 5 definitely white students (including one triggeringly stereotypical Jewish student looking angry and oddly out of sync with the others)
    * 2 uncertain (the front right smiling guy looks mixed, and the back right guy could be either).

    Stupid game.

  45. @IQ Realist

    “If Black students want to get into Stuyvesant High School, they better start studying as much as the Asian students do. Why have lazy Blacks at a top ranked high school?”

    LOL.

    If White athletes want to get into the US Olympic 100m squad, they better start training as much as the Black athletes do. Why have lazy Whites in a top ranked athletics squad?

  46. @22pp22

    I didn’t know Bridges caved on the migration pact. Disgraceful.

    I read a funny comment about Ireland the other day: like someone turning up at Jim Jones’s Guyana gaff to find everyone dead and drinking the kool aid just to fit in.

    See New Zealand too. Its so depressing.

  47. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that there is enough numerical data in that article that if La Griffe du Lion were to come out of retirement (or be resurrected, whichever is appropriate), he could reach some interesting results.

    I am not Griffe by a long shot, but here are some thoughts:

    — There are 8 specialized high schools in New York.

    — All 8 use the same admissions test, the SHSAT, but each has a different cutoff.

    — Students probably choose one or more schools to aim for, but there is no information about that in the article and no data on the racial breakdown of students seeking which schools, so we’ll ignore that and assume there is just one big pot.

    — 27,500 took the SHSAT, including 5,500 blacks. We don’t know if the black and non-black cohorts are completely comparable, in eliteness, etc., so we’ll assume that they are.

    — There are 4,400 slots among the eight schools.

    — Stuyvesant, the most elite of the schools (i.e., the highest cut-off score, presumably, and the school most emphasized in the article) has 895 slots.

    — 190 blacks were invited to the eight schools, based on their SHSAT scores, including 7 to Stuyvesant.

    — There is more granular data about each school in the charts in the article.

    Assume that the 27,500 testees’ scores are distributed in a bell curve.

    Assume that Stuyvessant is every testee’s first choice (not true, but it makes the cow spherical).

    895 into 27,500 is 17 percent. 17 percent is the number of testees who score 1 standard deviation or higher in cognitive tests. From that we conclude that Stuyvessant’s cutoff is 1 SD over mean for the testees. (spherical cow).

    190 of 5,500 black students is a about 3 percent.

    If a right tail section of a normal IQ distribution contains about 3 percent, it includes people with an IQ of 127 or above. 130 is 2 SDs over mean. So if you overlay the the general SHSAT bell curve and the black bell curve and slide the black bell curve to the left such that 3 percent is above the 1 SD line on the overall bell curve, the mean point of the black bell curve is just to the right of minus 1 SD of the overall bell curve. (This ignores greater male variance, Asian IQ, lower SD/variance for blacks.)

    So basically, the scores show that the black students score a little better than you would expect based on well-measured, historical IQ evidence (military, state school tests, standardized admissions tests for college and graduate school, etc.), a bit less than a standard deviation below mean.

    It also follows that most of the 7 blacks at Stuyvesant will be in the bottom 10 percent or so of their class.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
    , @anon
  48. @Mr McKenna

    I was going to post “What % of white students are from Eliza Shapiro’s background?’

  49. @Twinkie

    Well obviously, Twinkie, you don’t want the rabble finding a way to get into THOSE schools.

  50. @Hippopotamusdrome

    “first public auction of human beings in Manhattan”. Whereas nowadays, “human capital asset providers” get harassed by cops. How we have fallen!

  51. 1% african is the rule of thumb for high intelligence stuff. so checks out.

    at this level anyway. it’s really 0% once you get beyond college.

  52. @Anon

    895 into 27,500 is 17 percent.

    ?

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. George says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Back in the day, during the financial crisis, the much larger number of black youths living in the city meant that Stuyvesant was a way to live in NYC and not have your kid in a HS dominated by Blacks. Stuyvesant also had a clever trick to avoid criticism, the facilities were crummy so actual Blacks did not really want to go there. Stuyvesant now has a pool. Also worth noting is the Stuyvesant entry exam is more of a literacy test, it does not separate the geniuses from the smart. Stuyvesant is not a boarding school, it only makes sense to go there if you live near by, China Town Lower East side, or your assigned Highschool is violent, which is rare these days. Few Highschool aged Blacks live near Stuyvesant.

    Hunter is the elite NYC public Highschool, but they manage to stay out of the news somehow, probably because NYC elites like it that way. Hunter might also let more Blacks in as it’s entry criteria are more Ivy League and therefore fungible.

    “Publicly available data indicate that Hunter has the highest average SAT score, the highest average ACT score and the highest percentage of National Merit Finalists of any high school in the United States, public or private.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School

    Also worth noting is that NYC has specialized Highschools for the performing arts, which might be where top tier Blacks end up going. You need demonstrate actual talent to get into the Highschool for the Performing arts so it looks better on an application than Stuyvesant.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  54. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Oroville reservoir is currently 60 feet below the edge that it spilled over in 2017: that’s 75% of capacity, 103% of average at this time of the year. They appear to be trying to boost the water stored to be able to sell it in the summer: 10k flowed in yesterday and 6k went out through the powerhouse. I think they can run something like 13k out through the power station, so they aren’t going all out to lower the lake level.

    I think the optimal for this year would be to keep the water level low enough that a late warm rain on the snow would not flood the reservoir forcing the use of the main spillway that has been rebuilt over the last year. But then, after the rainy season and thaw when the lake reservoir is just a little over the spillway minimum and the danger for this year is past, open the floodgates and see how the new spillway holds up to a couple of days of use. If there is something wrong with the construction, that gives them about 6 months to fix it before the next rainy season.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  55. Tom-in-VA says:
    @Anon7

    Well, right now we’re more or less enjoying the best of both worlds!

    • LOL: Kylie
  56. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Leakage through the dam is a real thing and needs to be monitored awfully closely. This could be a scare report or it could be real. Basically, I think they’ll have to install monitoring systems all over the complex. The flaw in the spillway was visible a few weeks before it failed in 2017, according to dated photos taken by civilians, but the DWR didn’t notice it or didn’t do anything about it.

    It’s not unknown for big dams to be semi-decommissioned. Lake Isabella reservoir on the Kern River about 400 miles to the south in the Sierra is now kept at no more than about a third of its capacity because if it’s full, it might fail in a big earthquake and wipe out Bakersfield. Oroville might someday have to follow the same path.

    I don’t know if you can shore up an existing dam. Or does it make more sense to build another dam just downstream? Building the original Oroville dam, the tallest in the US, was immensely expensive 60 years ago.

  57. @Reg Cæsar

    Wasn’t there a transvestite royal governor of New York in the early 1700s?

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    , @Reg Cæsar
  58. Ed says:
    @Jack Finchg

    It’s not a question of smarts but a question of obsession. I doubt you, your parents or most Americans are willing to do the things many of these Asian parents do to their kids. That is to spend every waking moment preparing for the test. Going to cram schools every weekend years before even having to take the test.

    One can live a nice, fulfilling life without going to Stuyvesant.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  59. Hank Yobo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Edward Hyde, 3d Earl of Clarendon; aka Lord Cornbury. The charge was probably an attempt by political enemies to sully his reputation.

  60. @Daniel H

    If we flooded wealthy good white communities with NAMs and made private schools illegal it would probably be profoundly positive for the country’s future.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  61. Scifidoc says:

    If the current student body is 74 percent Asian American, how can you say that it’s 74 percent smirking white boy? Oh, that’s right, better inflammatory headline.

  62. Brutusale says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think it’s been shown over the years that those sorts of efforts don’t succeed without the soupcon of white sauce. Brandeis should be the preeminent university in America, right? There should have been an Asian-inspired uni turning out Nobel winners in America by now, right?

    I’ll miss our Jewish overlords. At least they gave lip service to being somewhat of a symbiote on our society. The Asians are mostly parasites.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  63. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Paul

    I assume, like the Saudis in DC, they have learned quickly from their Jewish brethren.

  64. Andrew says:

    >Whites will be the Legacy Majority forever.

    Until an explicitly pro-white pressure group/political party emerges advocating specifically for white interests.

  65. DCThrowback says: • Website

    I rather liked the naive uselessness of the AOC quote from the piece. Imagine how great it would be to actually believe this! The world must truly be your oyster.

    “And this past weekend, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez did not take a position on the admissions proposal when she spoke about the specialized high schools at an event in her Queens district.

    Instead, she argued for broad school improvement, noting that her father traveled across three boroughs from the Bronx to Brooklyn Technical High School.

    “My question is, why isn’t every public school in New York City a Brooklyn Tech-caliber school?” she asked, to applause from the audience. “Every one should be.”

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  66. Bruno says:

    Its really difficult for those asian and poor whites because they have to compete for their gpa with very smart and motivated people in an uncool environnement.

    The one who could sale their score to Exeter or Andover with free tuition would be very wise.

    As for black kids, its a suicide to go there where asian treats
    them as apes, even for the black who happen to be smarter than the yellow ones. So for them, it is really social ignorance not to go with their score in an elite private prep school with guaranteed HPY 4 years later.

  67. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    895 into 27,500 is 17 percent.

    ?

    Non-Euclidian arithmetic.

    Seriously … good catch. I was typing in literally from notes from the back of an envelope. The 17 percent quotient is 4,800 divided by 28,500.

    Of the nearly 4,800 students admitted into the specialized schools, 190 are black — compared to 207 black students admitted last year out of just over 5,000 offers.

    I see I neglected to even put the 4,800 in my bullet points in the original post.

    Anyway, the number of successful testees divided by all testees (times 100) equals the percentage of successful test-takers overall. This is about 17 percent (16.84). That’s kind of a magic number because it’s just about the percentage of people over 1 SD (or under minus 1 SD; between minus and plus 1 SD is about 68 percent).

    So that’s where I got the result that the average pass score for all the special high schools was plus 1 SD over mean for the 28,500 kids tested. This is a coincidence, because the actual cut offs were probably set after the test to allow for the number of open slots for each school, each of which had a different cut off, and if kids were allowed to choose first and second choices, all this was probably pretty complex. But for our purposes we don’t need to know what is inside the black box, only the final result.

    So we have a firm approximate success score, in terms of where it falls relative to the mean of the group, measured in terms of standard deviation units. Working with the black figures alone gives us a success score for them in the same terms. Aligning the two scores and working backwards tells us how many SDs the means differ by, and it was about four-fifths of a standard deviation. I listed several assumptions and unknowns and omitted complicating factors.

    Reading La Griffe du Lion about a year ago was so much fun that I read the Dummies Statistics book so I could understand him better. It’s amazing how much information is hidden in plain sight. When Chetty hooked up with the Census Bureau I stumbled across the Census Bureau’s math paper on all the surprising ways that data can be reversed engineered and all the precautions that are necessary for outside collaborations. I believe that Chetty had to add two Census statisticians as authors on his papers and they do much of the number crunching internally at Census, only releasing certain sanitized results to Chetty.

    • Replies: @res
  68. Jilla says:

    I think the dynamic around diversity in NYC public schools is a bit more complicated than Asians pushing back against NAMs and liberals.

    A lot of upper middle class people in Manhattan I know are livid about the DeBlasio administrations plans to mess with the admissions standards, not only for the magnet high schools, but for the local elementary and middle schools. A common strategy among upper middle class manhattanites is to send kids to the local elementary/middle schools if they cant get into Hunter or a Gifted and Talented program. Then they send them to private high schools to get them into good colleges.

    NYT knows this as I’m sure a good number of their employees are in this situation. I think the whole Asian pushback is really more of a front as the real pushback is coming from Manhattan/Brooklyn professionals
    Most Asian who send their kids to Stuyvesant are immigrants and don’t have the time/political know how to really push back politically.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  69. Jack D says:

    Burying the lede again – white people are making a comeback at almost all of these schools. Up 5% at Stuy and Bronx Science since last year. What is going on?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  70. Jack D says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I don’t think the NY admission by test schools have been majority white Christian since the day they were founded. Before Asians it was Jews. There are probably more Christians there now than in the past as the non-Orthodox Jewish middle and working class is mostly gone from NYC now.

  71. Jack D says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    No problem – it will be done in 6 days:

  72. The last bastions of genuine academic meritocracy in Anglo-America are now being assailed: Caltech, exam-entry schools like Stuyvesant, and Oxford University, all which have long ignored the tides of political pressure and have no quotas or lower standards for racial, legacy, or athletic admissions. Long may these lights of Western enlightenment and scientific civilization hold out against the barbarians, for once the cancer of lower standards begins, it rots the institutional culture. When the truth of those who belong and those who do not cannot be acknowledged within the institution, then the core of academic culture begins to decline. Those who do not belong can seek to explain it by blaming those who do, distorting the fabric of the community. Once the slide into chilled speech, lowered expectations, and unasked questions becomes entrenched, the spread of decay is inevitable.

    It should be noted that such places are some of the last remaining opportunities for the rarified cohort of truly talented black and brown students to gain genuine recognition for their abilities free from the taint of racial quotas and lower standards. Would that some of these people would speak out in defense of their institutions, both for their own interests and for those who will follow them.

  73. In some bizarre twist of logic, the number of seats offered this year was reduced so that students who barely missed the cutoff can attend a program this summer called Discovery and try to earn admission into a specialized high school. Mind you, if the number of seats hadn’t been reduced, these very same students could have just shown up for class in the fall.

    I don’t know what the criteria is for Discovery 2019, but in the past the program was only offered to low-income students, meaning that middle-class students, middle-class blacks in particular, that just missed the cutoff were not able to participate and get a second chance.

    The good news that no one is reporting is that the number of blacks with offers to Brooklyn Tech increased to 95 from last years’ 87. The High School of American Studies at Lehman College went from 5 to 6 blacks.

    • Replies: @res
  74. Jack D says:
    @Ed

    It’s both. They tried setting up city subsidized cram schools for blacks and it didn’t move the needle at all.

    • Replies: @Lacey
  75. peterike says:

    As I look out my window, I see what will be the tallest residential tower in Queens being constructed. It will be 66 stories high with 802 condo apartments, and top out at 984 feet high. It is expected to sell out at over a billion dollars, making it the most expensive residential tower in New York outside of Manhattan, and one of the most expensive in the world. The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.

    Chinese are already deep into the NYC real estate game. Many of the smaller apartment buildings, those 8-15 story jobs that are popping up by the dozens, are also developed by Chinese developers. At the street level, there are Chinese everywhere, and not just in the Chinatowns (of which there are now three). New York is awash in Chinese, with the 2017 estimate being 628,763. But who’s kidding who? Chinese illegal immigration is huge, especially at the low end, and my bet is the real number is well over a million.

    But by this point you also have a very large population of young Chinese who were either born here or came at a young enough age where they have no accents at all. Many of them still hang out with other Chinese, speaking English and doing typical hipster things like eating in fancy restaurants and beer pubs. The number of Chinese girls you see with white guys is astonishing, and has to be a significant percentage of the total number of couples. In my neighborhood, if you see a couple pushing a baby stroller, odds are about 40% that the couple is white male and Chinese female. The rest are Chinese/Chinese or white/white (I’m rolling Jewish into white of course). And my street level observation is that the better looking Chinese girls tend to be with white guys. Though there’s plenty of prosperous looking, tall Chinese young men with attractive Chinese girls. The same sexual market value rules apply. There are a lot of unattractive Chinese girls, despite all the nerd fantasies to the contrary.

    Anyway, Chinese are pouring into both high-paying jobs — finance, medical, law — as well as SJW jobs — reporting, film/television, NGOs, academia, politics. As are Indians, who seem less obsessed with academic achievement but are better at climbing the greasy poll than Chinese.

    My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years, and then it will never again have a non-Chinese mayor. The city itself will flip majority Asian (mostly Chinese) within that time frame as well, unless somebody wises up and shuts off the spigot.

    • Agree: Tim
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Lurker
    , @Tim
  76. Jack D says:
    @Jilla

    De Blasio is trying to send a signal that there is no room in Manhattan now for middle class white people, not even upper middle class professionals . Only billionaires and their servants and neither one has any need for good public schools. By destroying the public schools (which is what he is obviously trying to do) he can drive the rest of them out.

  77. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    The mean point of the black bell curve is just to the right of minus 1 SD of the overall bell curve

    Just like every other measurement of average black IQ since IQ assessment began. But the Gap will be closing real soon now. By Procrustean methods if necessary.

    • Replies: @res
  78. @IQ Realist

    Doesn’t this encapsulate the debate on IQ and HBD? Steve’s position is that the admittance test is a form of IQ test. You can tweak around the edges and slightly improve performance. But no amount of work will turn out 100 watts of illumination from a 10 watt bulb.

    Is it your position that blacks are equal in intelligence to Asians, and if they’d only work harder their test results would reflect that? It seems a logical conclusion from what you wrote.

  79. Alfa158 says:
    @DCThrowback

    She is no doubt scandalized by the fact that half of all students are getting test scores that are below average.
    Every effort must be bent to ensuring that all women are strong, all men are good looking and all students are above average.

  80. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    You are wrong about this. Asians are fully capable of maintaining their own civilization as they have for the last 5,000 years. The Chinese have been using competitive testing for a meritocratic elite for centuries. The academic scene in China now is so competitive that it makes getting into Stuyvesant seem easy by comparison. We are lucky that we have these Asians now – pretty soon they are going to stay back home. Koreans have already stopped coming. Do you think that if we deported all of the Asians at Stuy that the people who replaced them would be of the same quality?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Brutusale
  81. Use of the term “offer” is incorrect. The correct phrase should be: “Only seven blacks qualified to enter Stuyvesant.”

    Of course the writer wants to make it seem that Stuyvesant is discriminating willfully.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Triumph104
  82. @Jack Finchg

    It’s this colorblind, Boomer, CivNat attitude that got us here in the first place. Stop pretending to fly above the clouds and get in the fight.

    The other sides play for their team, so should you.

  83. @dan sickles

    when school let out in the afternoon, Asian math nerd kids straight out of central casting smoking vast quantities of dank weed in the nearby park. They must have a lot of brain cells to spare.

    My little brother was high IQ. His take on it was we only use three percent of our brain’s capability, that gave him 97% to play around with. He came to THAT conclusion independently at the age of 11. He made it to age 39 years, 11 and a half months. Something to do with the solvents he worked with in the service of Naval Air. Brilliant. Not all the brainiacs make it.

  84. @IQ Realist

    Your comment suggests that you should change your name.

  85. Jack D says:
    @George

    Stuyvesant is not a boarding school, it only makes sense to go there if you live near by

    This is not true. People in NY will go to a lot of lengths to attend an admission by test school, ride the subway for a long time – the alternative is either to attend your neighborhood public school with the thugs or pay $50k/yr for private school. I have a friend whose kid went to Bronx Science even though they lived in lower Manhattan (didn’t get into Stuy). There was some kind of (paid) bus service that would pick him (and other kids) up every morning for the long ride to the Bronx (he slept on the bus).

    • Replies: @Triumph104
  86. @Mr McKenna

    Well, the justification offered by the likes of Harvard, Yale and Stanford is that everyone benefits from Diversity, even those who are punished by it.

    Was it LBJ that said Whites were going to get integration, good and hard? Like a spankin’?

    • Replies: @anothanon
  87. @peterike

    About 10 years ago a friend in New York predicted the same thing: NYC would be a Chinese-dominated city within this century.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  88. Spangel says:

    Stuyvesant has been asian dominated for decades. Why is it a big deal now? Does Richard carranza happen to have a child in middle school? Deblasio? Someone related to deblasios wife?

    Carranzas daughter went to a magnet program in sf that required an entrance exam though I think it set seats aside for minorities or some such thing. Maybe he knows she couldn’t have gotten in on merit and has a permanent vendetta against the Asians that make the cut. Maybe that’s all this is about. As far I can see, this Stuyvesant admissions reform is carranzas battle cry more than deblasios.

    I bet 90% of nyc blacks don’t care. I think they want reparations for sitting on their asses. Not a chance to compete with asian grinds at a rigorous high school.

    • Agree: Clyde
  89. Jack D says:
    @IQ Realist

    Put aside for the moment that you are wrong – it’s not (just) laziness.

    Let’s say De Blasio gets his way and they change the system to allow more blacks into the school. Then what? As someone pointed out, even the few blacks who are there now are probably concentrated at the bottom of the class. If they lowered the standards they surely would be, even more. Either a lot of them would flunk out, or else they would have to make the curriculum easier for everyone to prevent that. Eventually it just becomes another high school, nothing special.

    This is what happened in Philadelphia to Girls’ High. Central High was the traditional magnet public (boys’) school but then there was a lawsuit to make it coed (but it’s OK to have a girls only school – funny how that works). So the smarter girls all migrated over there. Nowadays Girls’ High (mostly black) has zero National Merit Scholars and is mediocre.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  90. Tim says:

    Lucy Liu went to Stuy . . . and she never did anything.

  91. Lurker says:
    @Anon7

    As Bomag says – both. Also 1) tends to facilitate 2).

  92. Lurker says:
    @peterike

    There are a lot of unattractive Chinese girls, despite all the nerd fantasies to the contrary.

    Maybe I’m just a deplorable racist but I concur. Some Chinese girls are pretty but to my eyes its a small percentage compared to white girls. Plus they don’t age well either.

    My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years, and then it will never again have a non-Chinese mayor. The city itself will flip majority Asian (mostly Chinese) within that time frame as well, unless somebody wises up and shuts off the spigot.

    Jack D, for one, welcomes the new overlords.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  93. Lurker says:
    @Lot

    Thomm looks forward to the day when, from sea to shining sea, the US is filled with sweat shops, vendors selling dog meat and the streets are paved with s**t.

  94. Spangel says:
    @Lurker

    Concur that there are more unattractive Chinese girls than whites girls in nyc. But I’ve never heard anyone claim that white women age better than Asian women.

    Are you sure you’re comparing equally old women when you observe that the Chinese look like they age worse?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  95. So, the actual title of the article should be “Tiger moms take over NY’s best schools.”

  96. @Jack D

    He enjoys spouting nonsense about NYC schools. A year or two ago he was carrying on about how Edward R. Murrow used to be the most desired public high school in the city.

    • Replies: @George
  97. Tim says:
    @peterike

    I’ve been following this trend as well. Queens is all but Asian (Chinese and Korean). I don’t believe it will be 20 before NYC gets a Chinese mayor, I’m betting that THE NEXT mayor will be Chinese. John Liu made a pretty good run a couple years ago.

  98. Lacey says:

    If Black and Hispanic students want to attend a specialized high school, let them pass the admissions exam. Every time blacks and Hispanics are underrepresented, accommodations have to be made for them. Who does that help? All blacks and Hispanics, including those who arrived on their own merit, are branded AA babies. For the kids who were only admitted to satisfy a quota, how do they feel, sitting day after day, in classes with students much brighter than they?
    Most of the students taking the test don’t get in, regardless of race. Deal with it.

  99. Lacey says:
    @Jack D

    How many attended?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  100. @Scott in PA

    “Offer” is the term used by the New York City Department of Education. It is not a termed coined by the writer. I posted a tweet above with two charts and the word “offer” is used four times on each chart.

    “Qualified” is incorrect because there is no standard to meet. If there is a seat available and no one with a score higher than yours requested that seat, then it is offered to you. In Chicago, two of the eleven selective high schools are so undesirable that at least one of the schools has a lower SAT average than the Chicago Public School average.

  101. Bill says:
    @22pp22

    Wait. Where are the lords of Silicon Valley going to flee to on their Gulfstreams when TSHTF if the Kiwis screw up New Zealand?

  102. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    The latest-born children of Boomers have aged out and the earliest-born children of Millennials have aged in. Particularly in high cost of living areas, each generation of whites has less disposable income than the last.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  103. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    NYC is around 12% Asian so they are 6x overrepresented at Stuy. US population 6% Asian so should be 36% Asian at elite schools. Harvard 23% Asian so they are maybe 50% less than they should be under a “colorblind” system.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  104. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    How does that translate to increased white enrollment? Less money to pay for private school? NYC private school is now $50k/year (on top of NYC housing costs).

    • Replies: @snorlax
  105. @Steve Sailer

    Folsom Lake is quite low right now. It’s backwards considering that we’ve had so much rain this year. But then, when you consider the gigantic snow pack that will come melting down the mountains all spring, it makes good sense.

    Reservoirs and dams are pretty cool overall. I can see why envirowackos hate them.

  106. snorlax says:
    @22pp22

    Almost goes without saying but if there are any Bratwurst Tariff types here hankering for a bit of the old ultraviolence, at least consider that you are really, really not helping.

  107. @the Supreme Gentleman

    The white:Asian ratio of NYC is much higher than its national equivalent.

  108. Bill says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Burying the lede. When discussing a lawsuit over the partial failure of the dam last time:

    The plaintiffs’ motion included wide-ranging allegations of dam employees suffering from sexual and racial harassment, extensive theft of equipment by dam officials, filing fraudulent financial reports, shoddy maintenance records, and a pattern of actively destroying evidence to conceal liability and criminal actions.

    Got that? The Oroville Dam partially failed because black and female dam employees were harassed.

    Even with something as serious as a giant dam potentially failing and killing thousands of people, the alleged harassment of women and blacks is the *first* thing we talk about in identifying causes.

  109. @the Supreme Gentleman

    The white:Asian ratio of NYC is much higher than its national equivalent.

    That’s backwards. The white:Asian ratio in the city is almost exactly 3:1. In the US, it’s 6:1.

    (Adjust those depending on whether “whites” include Hispanic whites and “Asians” include dot-not-feathers.)

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/new-york-city-population/

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/

  110. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    You should look at the demographic composition of the relevant age cohort.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @res
  111. @Bill

    Right. There are photos where we can see the missing hunks of the Oroville spillway that turned into chasms a few weeks later, but let’s focus on the girly calendars and the like in the lawsuit. Because that’s what matters more than the DWR failing to inspect the spillway.

  112. Bill says:
    @Anon

    I’m not saying you are wrong, but are you sure it’s the same Scott Cahill? Both the given name and surname are common, so I’m thinking the combination is common as well.

    It’s weird, for example, that a search on the word “Oroville” on the nutcase Cahill’s blog, http://scottcahill.org , returns only this post: http://scottcahill.org/tag/sherriff/ . In that post, nutcase Scott Cahill doesn’t seem to claim any expertise on dams.

    It’s also weird that Dam expert Scott Cahill’s linkedin says he is an expert witness in dam litigation. Why would you open yourself up to questioning along the lines of “are you a nutcase” if you make your living, in part, by expert witnessing?

    I’d bet it’s a different Scott Cahill unless there is some reason to believe they are the same.

    • Replies: @Bill
  113. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    I dunno. NYC private school and the admission by test schools offer vastly different experiences – rubbing elbows with the super rich vs. a bunch of Asian grinds who set an ultra-competitive tone – getting in is only your 1st problem. The latter is not what most white Millennial parents and offspring want. If I had to guess, it would be some shift in NY’s ever changing rainbow of immigration – maybe ex-Soviets or Albanians or some place where the guys with gold chains count as white. In Philly I’ve noticed that a couple of Georgian restaurants have opened lately.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  114. songbird says:

    Isn’t there some nice, private Jewish school that could make up the difference with free scholarships for promising young blacks?

  115. Bill says:
    @Bill

    Partially retracting. Dam expert Scott Cahill’s linkedin articles and comments are a little weird, so maybe he is the same guy.

  116. Jack D says:
    @Lacey

    I don’t know but I think it was a fair number. Middle class blacks are extremely desirous of getting their kids away from “vibrant” neighborhood schools and a large # of them (I’m too lazy to look at the charts but IIRC it’s something like 20% of the test takers) take the admission test – they just don’t score high enough on them to get in. Now some % of that 20% may just show up without prep but I think the word is out that you are wasting your time if you don’t prep. Now the black parents aren’t going to go full tiger mom like the Asian ones but they are going to do something like attend a free prep school paid for by the gubmint and promoted by the school administration (the Asian parents, despite some of them being quite poor (in fact poorer on avg than NYC blacks because a lot of them are FOB immigrants without a word of Engrish) pay for their cram schools out of their own meager resources).

    Prep or no, tests like these are highly g loaded – they reflect IQ and as detailed elsewhere in this thread, the black gap on this test mirrors the black gap on every other IQ or IQ loaded test ever administered in the past century.

  117. @Steve Sailer

    Wasn’t there a transvestite royal governor of New York in the early 1700s?

    I can just imagine the mascot for the Lord Cornbury Free Academy.

  118. anothanon says:
    @Jim Christian

    LBJ’s sense of humor was a little more barnyard, so he probably meant something other than a spanking, more like what we are actually getting.

  119. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Have you ever walked into lake Oroville behind the dam? I have in in the 1970s when it was suffering in a dry period. I swimmed across and back the very cold Feather River to impress a woman back then.

    Where we lived was above and two miles north of the Oroville dam so never would have been impacted. I hope the dam holds up but with California enhanced engineering cement+ rebar who knows.

  120. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    NYC private school and the admission by test schools offer vastly different experiences

    The first priority is keeping your kid out of harm’s way (i.e. away from NAMs) and then networking opportunities or whatever are gravy on top of that. Increasingly hard to afford gravy since private school tuitions are increasing significantly faster than wages, as are rents in safe neighborhoods, while at the same time younger white parents have lower incomes and don’t benefit from rent controlled or subsidized housing as much nor as often.

    If I had to guess, it would be some shift in NY’s ever changing rainbow of immigration – maybe ex-Soviets or Albanians or some place where the guys with gold chains count as white.

    Yeah, I imagine(d) that could be a part of it as well, but that’s more speculative so I didn’t mention it.

    Another factor which I meant to mention but forgot to is Millennials are both a larger[1] and whiter[2] cohort than Xers, so their kids starting to reach HS age would tend to increase the white % even in the absence of other factors.

    Speculatively, since the article is about admissions and not yield, it could be that upper-class white families are increasingly treating the high school similarly to the college applications process, applying to numerous elite schools simultaneously with the exam schools as “safeties,” and/or take the SHSAT for the purpose of improving their private school admission chances with a good score.

    [1] Millennials are mainly children of Boomers while Xers are mainly children of Silents.
    [2] The largest cohort of first-generation immigrants arrived between the early 90s and late 00s recessions as prime working-age adults—that is, Xers. In NYC in particular the Xers’ birth years corresponded to the crime and economic nadir and the accompanying white flight, particularly of families with children.

  121. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    About 10 years ago a friend in New York predicted the same thing: NYC would be a Chinese-dominated city within this century.

    I have posted before…. There are now five Chinatowns in NYC where there used to be one in Manhattan. The newer ones are in Queens/Brooklyn.

    • Replies: @peterike
  122. Truth says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I don’t know how we’d repalce all those CPA’s, Wall Street parasites, and glorifeid coders.

  123. @Jack D

    That’s just a building, silly goose. You could store donuts in it, and maybe they do.

    Do you know what “hedge schools” were? HINT: they didn’t train hedge fund managers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  124. res says:
    @Anon

    I stumbled across the Census Bureau’s math paper on all the surprising ways that data can be reversed engineered and all the precautions that are necessary for outside collaborations.

    Do you have a link for that paper? I was unable to find it with a quick search, but did find these two interesting articles:
    https://today.duke.edu/2017/05/new-tools-safeguard-census-data-about-where-you-live-and-work
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/can-set-equations-keep-us-census-data-private

    P.S. Thanks for your analysis. I would also recommend considering the hypothesis that your “black students score a little better than you would expect based on well-measured, historical IQ evidence” could instead mean they have found a way to put a non-test based thumb on the scale changing the admissions numbers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  125. res says:
    @Triumph104

    Thanks. That’s an informative graphic. Let’s see if a direct link to the image is more readable here:

    Regarding

    Mind you, if the number of seats hadn’t been reduced, these very same students could have just shown up for class in the fall.

    How much overlap do you think there is between the winners and losers of enlarging the Discovery Program?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  126. res says:
    @Jack D

    By Procrustean methods if necessary.

    Harrison Bergeron methods seem both more likely and more effective. But your version is better as the joke it was intended to be.

    P.S. Note that there is actually a meaningful difference. Procrustes stretched or cut off legs to fit (both extremes changed to match the middle). The HB methods are more about hampering the able. Thus limiting everyone to the ability level of the least able.

  127. res says:
    @snorlax

    Has there been a corresponding change in private school demographics?

  128. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Agreed. Do you know what that is?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  129. Jack D says:
    @res

    I would also recommend considering the hypothesis that your “black students score a little better than you would expect based on well-measured, historical IQ evidence” could instead mean they have found a way to put a non-test based thumb on the scale changing the admissions numbers.

    I wouldn’t completely rule that out, in that the 1 SD IQ gap seems to be a constant of the universe as reliable as any figure in social science, but since the results are only maybe .2 SD above what you would expect, it’s possible that it is statistical noise or that NYC possesses above average blacks (perhaps due to the large Caribbean and African communities as well as the large # of black professionals vs. say St. Louis). If there was any organized sort of cheating going on you would expect to find it (more) with the Asians such that on average they would outcheat or at least equally cheat with the blacks and thus keep the gap at at least the expected level.

  130. Jack D says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Right, because in China they don’t know how to educate children (see the Asian PISA scores).

    https://www.english-online.at/news-articles/education/shanghai-number-one-in-world-education-rankings.htm

    US leads from behind at #31 in math.

  131. @BigDickNick

    If we flooded wealthy good white communities with NAMs and made private schools illegal it would probably be profoundly positive for the country’s future.

    Everything from high property prices to historic preservation to building codes to mandatory recycling is designed to keep them out.

  132. George says:
    @Triumph104

    The specialized high schools are what in other parts of the country are called magnet schools. Look at the sample entry exams online, they require a fairly high level of literacy, for example knowing simple algebra, but they are not there to filter out geniuses. While you cannot judge the prospects of future students by past alumni, what are Stuyvesant’s success stories? The specialized high schools draw from a huge population, their lack of success stories makes me wonder about

    The entry exam is not trivial, but an actual IQ test would be harder to game with test prep:
    https://www.schools.nyc.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/specialized-high-schools-student-handbook

    Famous Alumni:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stuyvesant_High_School_people#Mathematics

    Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy is probably a better model:
    https://www.imsa.edu/

    Back in the 1970s Edward R Murrow was more modeled on Hunter, so acceptance was more meaningful. Murrow also had better facilities. That may not be true now.

    One of the issues not talked about is how the current young successes seem to be coming from the old WASP schools like Andover, Philips Exter, ect.

  133. Clyde says:
    @Thomm

    Buffoon subcon! My lol button expired.

  134. Twinkie says:
    @res

    I don’t have it on hand, but someone posted it here a while back, and, as a percentage of the general population, the East Asian school age cohort was bigger in NYC than in the country as a whole… which further distorts the Stuy vs. Harvard numbers.

  135. Twinkie says:
    @res

    Asian and white offer rates by ethnicity are pretty similar (29.7% vs 26.2%), NAM numbers predictably low, multi-racial the highest at 42.2%. The selection effect must be pretty high with intermarried parents (e.g. high IQ white-Asian couples, etc.).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  136. @bomag

    If it’s elite, it can’t be integrated. If it’s integrated, it can’t be elite.

  137. Olorin says:
    @Jack D

    I remember what happened to Central under Shel Pavel’s tenure at the helm. He took over from Carlisle in ’83 after the PA court decision.

    Remember when they changed the school anthem–“for thee thy sons will labor” became “for thee we all will labor”? Subtle but big change. From proud patrimony to…something that tasted more generic and bolshie.

    Some old Central grads of my acquaintance felt there was much more bolsh at the place starting in the ’80s.

    The change re: sex/admissions policy was making its way through the courts in the ’70s.

    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/400/326/1367317/

    Pretty good discussion of Vorcheimer/SCOTUS here:

    https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/conlaw/articles/volume1/issue1/Boland1U.Pa.J.Const.L.154(1998).pdf

    Though I’m no expert, and it’s already a 20-year-old article. (I haven’t had occasion to follow this law since.) It goes into the legal issue of how girls could demand access to all-male schools, but still allow girls-only schools.

    P. 159:

    Race is a suspect classification, according to this court, not because of the nation’s history of discrimination against minority races, but due to the judiciary’s “commit[ment] to the concept that there is no fundamental difference between races.” As there are undeniable “differences beween the sexes,” the court found that “the special emotional problems of the adolescent years” justified the recommendations of “some educational experts” for single-sex high schools. By refusing to view single-sex education in light of either the past discrimination of women or the inadequacy of Girls High compared to Central, the Third Circuit, and most likely the Supreme Court, decided that holding single-sex schools unconstitutional would be merely an attempt to “‘keep abreast of the latest’ in educational opinion.” Out of fear that “all public single-sex schools would have to be abolished,” the court upheld single-sex education primarily on the strength of a “controverted but respected theory” of education which served the ambiguous but “legitimate” state goal of “innovation in methods and techniques to achieve” the highest quality education while not causing any discernible “psychological or other injury” to either sex. The standard of constitutionality developed by the Supreme Court in the recent sex discrimination cases was used only to establish that sex is not a suspect classification.

    Now do you see why there’s this big acceleration in tranny stuff?

    See also this:

    2)What is Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s connection to Central? (Click on photo to enlarge)

    As counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union and director of the Women’s Rights Project, Ms. Ginsberg was one of the attorney’s who helped Susan Vorchheimer in 1976 take her case to be admitted to Central all the way to the U.S Supreme Court.

    The Supreme Court upheld a lower-court ruling 4-4 (with one abstention) that Central had the right to retain its all-male status.

    In a separate case 1983, a Philadelphia County Common Pleas judge ruled that the single-sex admission policy was unconstitutional and the city Board of Education decided not to appeal this time so girls were admitted that fall.

    https://centralhighalumni.com/2015/07/trivia-question-from-the-central-archives/

    • Agree: Clyde
  138. Jack D says:
    @bomag

    I guess a school that is 74% Asian is not “integrated” – it won’t be integrated until it is 100% NAM. Orwell would be proud of our Newspeak.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  139. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    I think that must be the case. The white- Asian couples that I know are mostly American born and (college) educated. Many unmixed Asians in NY are recent immigrants. Their kids are more than holding their own considering that they often live in homes (poor, non-English speaking, visible minority) that supposedly lead to terrible disadvantages in Latinos (one reason why the NY Times has to pretend that they don’t exist) but the mixed race kids of yuppie couples whose dads are NY Times reporters must have an advantage over the son of the Chinese dishwasher.

  140. Olorin says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Prince Henry the Navigator Nautical Academy— this could be in Queens, which was named for Vila Viçosa native Catarina de Bragança, Queen Consort of England, or over in Portuguese Newark. Putting these brats on boats will straighten them out!

    Boats, schmoats. Two semesters of Bowditch’d be much less expensive…and leave zero time for fo’c’sle mischief.

    https://thenauticalalmanac.com/Bowditch-%20American%20Practical%20Navigator.html

    Then you dump em in a hull 250 nm off Cape Henlopen with nothing but hardtack, three days’ water, and a sextant. Maybe also a stringed instrument for later jokes about the Fiddle Passage.

    Must say I’d love to have a bumper sticker that reads

    My child is an honor student at
    Prince Henry the Navigator Nautical Academy

  141. @Jack D

    I guess a school that is 74% Asian is not “integrated” – it won’t be integrated until it is 100% NAM. Orwell would be proud of our Newspeak.

    No Jack, that is definitely referred to as a “segregated” school.

    An integrated school is 50% white, 50% blacks, 50% Hispanic and 50% Asian.

  142. peterike says:
    @Clyde

    There are now five Chinatowns in NYC where there used to be one in Manhattan.

    You’re not keeping up! Neither am I. Wiki now lists NINE distinct Chinatowns. Here they are, complete with Chinese names.

    Chinatowns Manhattan (紐約華埠)
    Little Fuzhou (小福州)
    East Harlem (東哈萊姆)

    Chinatowns in Queens (皇后):
    Chinatown, Flushing (法拉盛華埠)
    Chinatown, Elmhurst (唐人街, 艾姆赫斯特)
    Corona, Queens
    Whitestone, Queens (白石)

    Chinatowns in Brooklyn (布魯克林):
    Chinatown, Sunset Park (布鲁克林華埠)
    Chinatown, Avenue U (唐人街, U大道)
    Chinatown, Bensonhurst (唐人街, 本森社区)

  143. Clyde says:

    You’re not keeping up! Neither am I. Wiki now lists NINE distinct Chinatowns. Here they are, complete with Chinese names.

    You got me there! About 10 years ago I read about the five Chinatowns in NYC. A few decades ago there was the original one in lower Manhattan. I ate there few times, the real stuff like roast duck over chow fun noodle. This one bordered Little Italy and over time expanded into Little Italy such as Umberto’s Clam House and pushed Italians out. Chinatown #2 was Flushing Queens and I guess it took off from there.

  144. @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the updates on Oroville, Steve.

    Monitoring the integrity of enormous structures like dams has got to be difficult, given the vast forces at work, and the sheer scale of construction that’s got to hold up over the long run.

  145. @Bill

    Even with something as serious as a giant dam potentially failing and killing thousands of people, the alleged harassment of women and blacks is the *first* thing we talk about in identifying causes.

    Yes, it’s another depressing example of a spoiled society that believes living in security and luxury is their birthright — wait, not even that, since the Full Civilizational Package has to be offered to all ‘migrants’ as well.

  146. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    I stumbled across the Census Bureau’s math paper on all the surprising ways that data can be reversed engineered and all the precautions that are necessary for outside collaborations.

    Do you have a link for that paper? I was unable to find it with a quick search

    I think this is what I was thinking of:

    https://www.census.gov/srd/CDAR/cdar2014-02_Discl_Avoid_Techniques.pdf

    The keyword to use in searches is disclosure avoidance, and there is a department within the Census Bureau called the “Center for Disclosure Avoidance Research.”

    They are also getting into “differential privacy,” and here is a presentation and an outside article about that:

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/about/about-the-bureau/adrm/FESAC/meetings/Ruggles%20Presentation%20Revised.pdf

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/can-set-equations-keep-us-census-data-private

    • Replies: @res
  147. NYMOM says:

    “In many urban areas, you have elementary districts that are very small with good demographics, but the same block is in larger HS district that is not. So the white NYC resident with smart children may send them to the good local public elementary school but leave for thw suburbs for HS. Asians do this less often.”

    Yes this is correct. My granddaughter was able to attend a fairly decent elementary school (not great however but she was in a separate program within the larger school) but after she graduated she moved to New Jersey to attend school…DeBlasio is working to undermine even this limited option for White and Asian students now by destroying the elementary and middle schools in our city…

    “The specialized high schools are what in other parts of the country are called magnet schools. Look at the sample entry exams online, they require a fairly high level of literacy, for example knowing simple algebra, but they are not there to filter out geniuses. While you cannot judge the prospects of future students by past alumni, what are Stuyvesant’s success stories? The specialized high schools draw from a huge population, their lack of success stories makes me wonder about”

    Again, correct as well…most of the graduates of these “science’ schools go onto attend our State or CUNY university system and I don’t know but I am guessing few go into ‘science’ careers. Many probably wind up as accountants and professionals, decent jobs, but not what you would expect from a gifted population. Even the few famous ones we know who attended these schools such as Eric Holder went on to become an Attorney and we have a few politicians who graduate from Stuyvesant…Not too many prominent scientists inventors, etc., amongst the bunch…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Benjaminl
  148. El Dato says:
    @Anon7

    Depends on how you are.

    Just make sure to get a top spot early and have enough money to hire a couple of CyberDyne Robocops to guard your house as your self-driving cartel-grade SUV makes its way to the Best School NYC Can Offer as you make plans to meet a person with political connections in an exotic, diverse restaurant at lunchtime.

  149. @Anonymous

    “Should New York City remove statues of its anti-Semitic Dutch governor?”

    Brought to you by the same people banning the Nation of Islam books for pointing out their massively disproportionate role in the slave trade.

    I bet if you dig back far enough into the ‘Dutch’ bad boy Stuvesant, you’ll find some interesting things. The Jews had a lock on international commerce and banking in Amsterdam, which means they were probably as well situated in the Dutch empire as they were in the British. I expect to find a ton of ‘Dutch’ slave owners, plantation owners, etc etc.

  150. I know the white guys in the picture personally, they’re sophomores. They are good students, and if you’re basing SHSAT results based on race you need to get it through your think skull that you shouldn’t judge people based on your own stupidity and “anti-white supremacism”. You’re a joke.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  151. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22

    Kiwis staunch?
    Is that why they’ve had 4 lady Prime Ministers, and every Governor General of the last 30 years has been female?

    • Replies: @22pp22
  152. @stuyvesant asian student

    Hey, kid, learn to proofread your texts before sending them in. As it is, your verbal SATs aren’t shaping up to get you into NYU, much less Harvard.

  153. Anonymous[568] • Disclaimer says:

    Stuyvesant has an affirmative action program–guarantee you that not 1 black in the history of Stuyvesant was legitimately admitted

    • Replies: @Truth
  154. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @leftlawyer

    not this one.
    while the jews are currently an existential problem, in the longer term the chinese will be far worse not as smart as AKZ jews and they are more recognizable but so many more of them.

    Of course the real problem isn’t jews or slants its cucks that say “white supremacists” like its a bad thing while thinking its right and natural for asians and jews to be asian and jew supremacists, and have asian and jew ethno states.
    While attacking our states parasitically and having their babies here for dual citizenship and free/cheaper tuition. That think “capitalism” that transfers wealth and technology to them while transferring massive social welfare benefits to the extended villages of the brown workers imported so they cost “capitalists” less, but our nations pay not just for the difference in wages and benefits for the now unemployed white and the village of the brown but the massive social costs the browns bring with them.And since we have done this now for generation we borrow the money from our enemies while allowing the “capitalist s to offshore their profits to lower their exposure to our worthless fiat when the crash/war come.
    This is what drives the jew hate there simply is no rational explanation for these policies except a desire to destroy us, theres jew leftism which is wrecker leftism and white leftism which is naively meant to improve the world most leftistism is run by jews either they thought up the idea that will benefit them by destroying us then come up with some sympathetic reason the cucks ought to support it or they see some white leftist project thats become powerful like the sierra club or ford foundation and they buy it out or use entryist tactics to take it over. This is not to say this excuses the cucks jews at least are acting in their self interest which is right and natural, cucks are an abomination against nature and traitors and frankly although they act incredibly stupid at a moronic level they are not morons they tend to be above average intelligence they cant plead stupidity

  155. 22pp22 says:
    @anon

    3 lady PMs and I can think of more than one GG who was male (but not white) in recent history. It’a a ceremonial post and appointments are for PC reasons.

  156. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Its been over 40 years since i got accepted to both stuyvesant and bronx HS of science but i decided against going to either one. One way NYC parents help their children survive to adulthood used to be to send them to private school the really wealthy ones we have heard about, but since in NYC the majority of whites are from catholic backgrounds we used to all go to catholic school in a way it was pretty interesting in the lower east side you might have st stanislaw mostly polish and st georges mostly russian and ukrainian and another mostly puerto rican if you went to st vincent or st jeans on the upper east side some kids mostly german were the children of the superintendents of the luxury high rises while others were delivered in chauffeured limousines some were irish who had made good by then while other irish were still climbing but we were kids so we mixed socially sexually and went to stations of the cross together for whatever reason catholic school was not conducive to snobbishness, I suppose because catholics of that age were serious christians in a sort of dignified way. what ever i went to many catholic schools and they were all pretty good actually very good.
    Point is despite getting into the two best public schools i also got ito the four best catholic high schools and chose the best of them. Obviously that is less so these days but it may still be skewing the numbers a bit

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  157. Jack D says:
    @NYMOM

    Lots of prominent alumni, science prize winners, etc. Most from Stuyvesant’s previous incarnation as a mostly Jewish school. I assume (or at least hope) that it’s only a matter of time for the Asians :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stuyvesant_High_School_people

  158. Benjaminl says:
    @NYMOM

    Jeffrey Hart, raised in artsy Brooklyn and right-wing Protestant(?) Dartmouth English professor and mentor to generations of National Review types at Dartmouth (Dinesh Di Souza, Laura Ingraham), graduated from Stuyvesant in around 1948 or so. Some things change, some things don’t…

    Jeffrey Peter Hart was born on Feb. 24, 1930, in Brooklyn to Clifford and Gladys (Reith) Hart. His mother was a musician, his father an architect. After graduating from Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan, he enrolled at Dartmouth College planning to continue to its medical school. But within two years he found that he was more engaged by literature and so dropped out, returning to New York to work for a book publisher…. He soon began writing book reviews for National Review — a political affiliation that Trilling suggested might jeopardize his prospects for tenure at Columbia…

  159. Why do these big cities have these elite selective public high schools?

    Sounds un-American to me.

    Where I live you go to the public high school whose district you’re in. Period.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  160. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    As usual, old Sport, your guarantees are not worth the server farm real estate they occupy.

    Thomas Sowell
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sowell was born in North Carolina, but grew up in Harlem, New York. He dropped out of high school and served in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. He received a bachelor’s degree, graduating magna cum laude[6] from Harvard University in 1958 and a master’s degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago.

    Institution
    Cornell University
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    Urban Institute
    University of California, Los Angeles
    Hoover Institution
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    Welfare economicseducationpoliticshistoryrace relationschild development
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    tradition Chicago school of economics
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    Harvard University (BA)
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    Thomas Sowell (/soʊl/; born June 30, 1930) is an American economist and social theorist who is currently a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

  161. @anon

    Poignant. That beautiful Catholic world, now completely gone. Destroyed by Vatican II and the subsequent leftist takeover of the Church.

    Was it Fordham Prep you finally chose?

  162. res says:
    @Anon

    Thanks!! One thing that caught my eye:

    Unlike some statistical agencies, the Census Bureau does not use data licensing Massell and Zayatz, 2000) to provide data to some users but not to others. Therefore, all data released to any external party is considered publicly available.

    Does this have implications with respect to Chetty’s data?

  163. @obwandiyag

    Here in Union County , New Jersey we have magnet high schools. Students must score well on a standardized test and have a high GPA in middle school.

  164. Lurker says:
    @Spangel

    Purely subjective on my part, I just don’t think Chinese women hold up as well over time.

  165. Smirkin’ in the boys’ room
    Smirkin’ in the boys’ room
    Now, Teacher, I am fully aware of the rules
    Everybody knows that smirkin’ ain’t allowed in school.

  166. @eah

    “Aussaults” sounds like a particularly Antipodean crime.

  167. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D

    And we’d muddle through exactly as we did before the Yellow Peril arrived. We might have to dip into the currently-untapped source that sustained the country for so long, working-class white boys.

    So I dunno, Jack, but I’m willing to put it to the test. I feel about the Chinese exactly the same way I feel about the Jews. I’m less interested in their “quality”; given one group’s well-documented voluble sociopathy and the other’s, in a description I once saw here that fits perfectly, “sullen, Aspergery ant people”, I’m not sure we’re using the same definition of quality.

    I’ll make no apologies for preferring, like any good Israeli, to live in a nation made up of people like me.

  168. res says:
    @Triumph104

    Thanks. Do they publish anything on the score distributions by ethnicity?

    This is an interesting paper: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57b20ecbe6f2e157a74c4a3a/t/5abe48cc758d46a7b6292304/1522419916388/Corcoran+%26+Baker-Smith.pdf

    Table 1 includes some 2013 school data which is interesting. Including % accepted and mean/min SHSAT percentiles for those accepted.

    Table 2 gives descriptive statistics for each stage of the admissions pipeline.

    This is a telling point:

    Rather remarkably, 28.1 percent of students admitted to a specialized high school spoke Chinese at home.

    Another interesting observation:

    Also notable is the nontrivial fraction of high achieving students that did not take the SHSAT at all (15–20 percent of students who scored more than 1 SD above average on state tests).

    Table 3 gives logistic regression coefficients for apply/offer/accept. I am surprised at the magnitude and sign of the race coefficients. They look discriminatory, but I suspect that is partly due to nonlinearity in the true score effects. It would be interesting to repeat the analysis with more sophisticated treatment of the test scores (e.g. a spline, or even just a threshold variable).

    Table 4 gives gaps in SHSAT scores conditional on eighth grade performance. An interesting metric which helps clarify the pressure for moving from tests to grades (Jack D, if you happen to look at this, any thoughts?). They appear to at least look at cubic models for test scores here. This excerpt makes a good summary (in particular note the last sentence about the M/F difference).

    The main result in column 1 shows sizable gaps in exam performance between groups, with black and Hispanic students scoring roughly 20 points (0.22 SD) below white students, Asian students scoring 10 points (0.12 SD) higher, and free-lunch eligible students 11 points (0.13 SD) below nonpoor students. Somewhat remarkably, the gender gap on the SHSAT (20 points, or 0.22 SD) is approximately the same size as the black and Hispanic gaps after conditioning on prior achievement.

    Another interesting sub-analysis. They seem to have been thorough and asked good questions.

    Taken together, the racial/ethnic, gender, and income gaps in specialized high school admissions do not appear to be artifacts of preference rankings, but reflective of real differences in SHSAT performance. As an alternative way of looking at this question, we removed all potential effects of preference rankings by awarding “pseudooffers” to the highest-scoring k students each year, where k is equal to the number of actual seats awarded. In this scenario, no student fails to receive an offer because of her specific ranking of specialized high schools. As seen in the rightmost column of table 3, the gaps in offer rates are comparable or larger

    Section 6 is a look at the concentration of admissions by different feeder schools and zip codes.

    Section 7 includes simulations of seven different alternative admissions policies. Table 5 describes each and Table 6 is an excellent summary of the demographic changes resulting from the different approaches. They even included the change in SHSAT score mean for offers! Which were all substantial drops, ranging from -30 to -65.3 points.

    Section 8 is a concluding discussion. Included in its entirety after the MORE along with the abstract.

    The paper is a bit long (24 pages) and dense but IMHO well worth a read for anyone interested in this topic and comfortable with reading academic papers. I think they did a remarkable job of taking an honest look at this controversial topic.

    P.S. Triumph104, thanks for all of your insightful and informative comments here.

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    Paper excerpts follow.

    Abstract

    New York City’s public specialized high schools have a long history of offering a rigorous, college preparatory education to the city’s most academically talented students. Though immensely popular and highly selective, their policy of admitting students using a single entrance exam has raised questions about diversity and equity in access. In this paper, we provide a descriptive analysis of the “pipeline” from middle school to matriculation at a specialized high school, identifying group-level differences in application, admission, and enrollment. In doing so, we highlight potential points of intervention to improve access for underrepresented groups. Controlling for other measures of prior achievement, we find black, Hispanic, low-income, and female students are significantly less likely to qualify for admission to a specialized high school. Differences in application and matriculation rates also affect the diversity in these schools, and we find evidence of middle school “effects” on both application and admission. Simulated policies that offer admissions using alternative measures, such as state test scores and grades, suggest many more girls, Hispanics, and white students would be admitted under these alternatives. They would not, however, appreciably increase the share of offers given to black or low-income students.

    8. DISCUSSION

    This paper provides a descriptive look at the pipeline from NYC public middle schools to matriculation at the city’s elite specialized high schools. A remarkably high proportion of eighth graders aspire to attend one of these schools, but only a fraction is admitted. A comparison of mean characteristics confirms admitted students are a highly select population on multiple dimensions, including state test scores and course grades. They are a somewhat more economically advantaged group than the wider population, although nearly a third is eligible for free meals, and almost one in five was born outside of the United States.

    The SHSAT does appear to be a barrier to diversity in the specialized schools. Among applicants with similar track records on state tests, black, Hispanic, and lowincome students are significantly less likely to score high enough on the SHSAT to receive an offer of admission. Asian and white students, on the other hand, are substantially more likely to receive an offer. Girls score nearly a quarter of a standard deviation lower than boys on the SHSAT for the same level of prior achievement, and underperform on both the mathematics and verbal sections of the test. Simulated policies that offer admission using alternative measures, such as state test scores, grades, and attendance, suggest that many more girls, Hispanics, and whites would be admitted under these alternatives. They would not, however, appreciably increase the share of offers given to black or low-income students, nor reduce the high concentration of offers in a small number of middle schools.

    Our findings offer several important insights. First, measures of academic performance beyond the SHSAT are strong predictors of admission to the specialized high schools. Admissions policies that rely on state test scores and course grades would admit many of the same students now admitted, and—although improving the representation of some groups (especially girls)—would not dramatically change the demographic composition of the specialized high schools. Behavioral responses to any new policy would likely limit its impact even further. Second, although measures such as test scores, grades, and attendance are strongly predictive of current admission, there are large group differences that remain unexplained. The difference may be higher order skills that are not adequately captured in other achievement measures, or simply differences in test preparation. This remains an important open question for future research.

    Finally, we identified several potential points of intervention to improve access to the specialized high schools. First, a nontrivial share of high-achieving students does not sit for the SHSAT at all. This may reflect a lack of interest, a lack of resources for test preparation, or a poor understanding of their odds of admission. We found a significant middle school effect on the propensity to apply for the specialized schools, suggesting schools may influence this behavior.29 Second, girls and Hispanic and lowincome students are less likely to apply for admission than their prior achievement would predict, and girls are much less likely to accept an offer when extended one. The latter may reflect preferences to some degree, but, given the prominent role specialized schools play in STEM education in NYC, a better understanding of this phenomenon is needed. Lastly, echoing the Secret Apartheid studies of the 1990s, we find that students admitted to the exam schools originate from a remarkably small number of the city’s middle schools. Although middle schools matter, this result appears more than anything to reflect the highly uneven distribution of high-achieving students across schools.

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