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Commenter ABN suggests:… maybe “For Ourselves and Our Posterity” would make a good slogan.
The repeated possessive pronoun “our” unmistakably draws a contrast between the American nation and foreign nations. The implication is that our government arises organically from a specific national community and has neither rights nor responsibilities outside this context. If there is an “us,” there must be a “them,” and the state must necessarily distinguish between the two.
Moreover, the reference to multiple generations of a single people is a standing repudiation of the globalist/immigrationist notion that our people’s problems can be solved by other people’s fertility. The solutions to any economic, spiritual, or demographic problems we have must be found among ourselves, or the inter-generational social contract will be broken and we will cease to exist as a nation. Also, the invocation of demographic continuity here implies an ethnic or racial component of national identity without being too explicit or divisive in that regard.
The reference to the Constitution also has the advantage of attracting some of the Cruz-supporting types who have created a kind of cargo cult around the country’s founding documents. The underlying message to them is that Trump’s nationalism and True Conservatives’ constitutionalism are complementary; the Constitution wasn’t written in a vacuum. The laws and the ideology can’t be separated from the people and the land.
Finally, it’s hard for the Left to attack the Constitution itself. If leftists attack “For Ourselves and Our Posterity” as “racist,” “xenophobic,” or whatever, we need only point out that it’s part of the written mission statement of the USA. There would be no better opportunity to implement Peter Brimelow’s advice to respond to the accusation of racism with the counter-accusation of treason. That aggressive posture would suit Trump’s style.
- The Preamble reads “to ourselves and our Posterity” rather than “for ourselves and our posterity.” Preposition usage, being arbitrary, shifts over the centuries.
- Random 18th century capitalization is distracting.
- The Preamble has almost been written out of the Proposition Nation propaganda; not quite as much as George Washington’s farewell message has been stuffed down the memory hole, but it’s getting there.
Gavin McInnes says there are 14 types of Conservatives.
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
Ask Steve, who talks about the Coalition Of The Left Fringe groups, a patchwork, ragtag band who's mantra is "Gimme free stuff" and who's excuse is "Dindu nuffin'".
Haven't you been paying attention at the briefings?
Any scientists looking for evidence of genuine group-level selection should study the far left (group fission-fusion at faster rate than procreation).
I'm sure I forgot a few. (Jews are split up among the other groups--whatever the net effects of immigration, etc. may be, pro-Israel activists don't really seem to be a cohesive group within the Democrats at least--it's more a position people take to keep donors happy.)
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Just because the founders thought this was a catchy slogan fit for the times (the 18th century) doesn’t mean it must have the same appeal as now.
Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide and 1% of their economic output at least every year should go towards helping mothers in Africa and such.
Why not adopt that mission instead?
P.S. I doubt "Sweden" actually "believes" in this "mission". A self-righteous, largely self-appointed claque of conceited elites may, but Sweden not so much.
Yes the Constitution was dedicated TO a specific people and their descendants. Don’t tell me how much you worship the Constitution yet fail to realize that (silly cuckservatives).
I must say, it appears we are in the beginning stages of a social revolution which people like Steve seemed to think were impossible without “elite intellectual” support.
The Pew polls that show stronger Black and Latin support for big government and other differences with Whites indicate that a real change in the small-c constitution of the nation will come without a change in immigration policy.
Elizabeth Warren called Donald Trump a racist on Twitter, even though he never racially attacked her people which are the pasty pale blue eyed Amerindians. Donald Trump is in the casino business, so of course he loves her people.
Here's an article from the NYT in 1993 where he tried to sue them for economic harm.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
What on earth makes him think that 18th century capitalisation is random? How unobservant.
Fuck the Left.
That is all.
No offence, but I’m sure that many Americans wouldn’t know what “posterity” means.
Clunky. Fail. Keep it simple.
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
Yes, and yes … the key difference is that that at the end of the day they don’t have to hold their noses to vote for the sh*t candidates foisted upon them by the Dem party elite because they know their cause is going to get a piece of the action. Conservatives hold their noses, complain about getting sold out, and the come back four years later to do it all over again.
Than name the 14 types of Liberals.
No, more like selectively edited … that “promote the general welfare” thingy seems to have taken on a cargo-cult religion status of its own.
off-topic prediction
I think Clinton might drop out on fake health grounds and be replaced – maybe by Warren, dunno.
I think it is unlikely that Bill Clinton has no plausible (even if not 100% accurate) connection to Epstein’s island and although that subject would be safe with any of the usual GOPe puppets it may not be safe with Trump and there is going to be too many people who don’t want the island and what goes on there to come out imo.
Probably wrong – just a gut feeling.
I think Clinton might drop out on fake health grounds and be replaced - maybe by Warren, dunno.
I think it is unlikely that Bill Clinton has no plausible (even if not 100% accurate) connection to Epstein's island and although that subject would be safe with any of the usual GOPe puppets it may not be safe with Trump and there is going to be too many people who don't want the island and what goes on there to come out imo.
Probably wrong - just a gut feeling.
Wasn’t somebody talking up Trump & Epstein?
Epstein was a friendly guy with lots of connections and lots of interest. I know somebody who has been to Epstein’s house, although just to talk science.
"Infamous white supremacist Steve Sailer has close links to baby rapist Jeff Epstein."
Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide and 1% of their economic output at least every year should go towards helping mothers in Africa and such.
Why not adopt that mission instead?
That money will be stolen and fighting racism worldwide? You must mean Han Chinese racism. Right? I pity the cuckiFUBARed youth, brainwashed by their otherwise unemployable college professors.
What I read a few days ago was that a woman told the police she had been a sex slave there back in the day. But her name was missing from the list, where all the other victims’ names were written down by Epstein, so I have a feeling it must be untrue. Who knows? Berlusconi had the Bunga Bunga parties, and Trump seems to be not the American Mussolini, but instead the American Berlusconi.
It’s those ‘penumbras’ to the Constitution that are killing the sense and sensibility of the document.
If you’re being sarcastic, that’s fine, but it’s not true. Trump put a full court press against allowing Indians to run casinos in NYS.
Here’s an article from the NYT in 1993 where he tried to sue them for economic harm.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
“Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?”
Ask Steve, who talks about the Coalition Of The Left Fringe groups, a patchwork, ragtag band who’s mantra is “Gimme free stuff” and who’s excuse is “Dindu nuffin’”.
Haven’t you been paying attention at the briefings?
“Also, the invocation of demographic continuity here implies an ethnic or racial component of national identity without being too explicit or divisive in that regard.”
Not quite. There is divisiveness because “ourselves” and “our” is vague in today’s terms.
“If leftists attack “For Ourselves and Our Posterity” as “racist,” “xenophobic,” or whatever, we need only point out that it’s part of the written mission statement of the USA.”
What the left probably would request is for clarification as to who specifically “ourselves” and “our” refers to. There is the implication that is generally attributing to “white men”, although Thomas Jefferson had to muck things up when he stated “all men are created equal”. Damn him.
For Duty and Humanity!
Reality is like ‘For Them and Their Hostility’.
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
There’s more than 14 types of Trotskyists alone – the left (I’m assuming that’s what you meant by liberal, everything across the aisle) are more schismatic than South Korean evangelicals.
Any scientists looking for evidence of genuine group-level selection should study the far left (group fission-fusion at faster rate than procreation).
Any scientists looking for evidence of genuine group-level selection should study the far left (group fission-fusion at faster rate than procreation).
But it’s true that their priors with regard to nature-nature are much more uniformly shared than on the right.
Some money leaks but most is delivered in services provided to intended recipients.
Um… “hard for the Left to attack the Constitution itself”? Are you kidding?
Any reference to the constitution, or ‘what we used to do 200 years ago’ is going to bring to mind 1) Slavery, and 2) Women couldn’t vote.
I doubt you’ll get much traction with that, other than cries of racism and xenophobia.
Personally “For the Emperor!” and “Punish the Heretic!” have a lot more going for them.
Clunky. Fail. Keep it simple.
Paul WALKER, you stole my thunder. 9 of 10 don’t know what ‘posterity’ means. Though maybe a Belushi ‘the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor’ you know what he means would kick in.
“She” didn’t tell the police, “she” filed a lawsuit. The only problem is that the person named in the lawsuit not only doesn’t appear in Epstein’s “little black book” , she doesn’t appear to exist. The address given for her in the suit is a vacant lot, no one has actually seen her, etc. And while she supposedly filed the complaint without an attorney, it seems to have been written by someone with a legal background. It seems like some kind of dirty trick.
And you know this how?
Steve, you already figured this out. Americans First.
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
Obviously there are not 14 mutually exclusive types of lib, but the same is true of conservatives.
But if you were to force 100 random Democrats and fellow travellers to tell you their primary agenda, I think at least one person would list each of the following (possibly using euphemisms):
1) black supremacy
2) female supremacy
3) taxing the rich more
4) killing the rich
5) Gay power
6) Lesbian power
7) Tranny power
8) anti-war
9) Latinx power
10) anti-christian
11) Sharia jihad
12) Weed legalization
13) Single payer healthcare
14) tuitionless college, student loan debt forgiveness
15) ban guns
I could probably name a few more
2) female supremacy
3) taxing the rich more
4) killing the rich
5) Gay power
6) Lesbian power
7) Tranny power
8) anti-war
9) Latinx power
10) anti-christian
11) Sharia jihad
12) Weed legalization
13) Single payer healthcare
14) tuitionless college, student loan debt forgiveness
15) ban guns
I could probably name a few more"
Good list. Here is more
16) Continue to have open borders
17) Kill the coal industry
18) Increase affirmative action
19) No keystone pipeline
20) Abolish non liberal free speech on college campuses
21) Increase the number of Muslim refugees to Western nations even though the majority are able bodied young men of war fighting age
22) Increase section 8 housing
Fauxcahontas hates Trump because he represents an America in which blue eyed blond haired lesbians don’t get career boosts from claiming to be Indians.
Salon headline:
“Infamous white supremacist Steve Sailer has close links to baby rapist Jeff Epstein.”
Perhaps you’re unaware, Steve Sailer was adopted.
That said, neither my existence nor Steve's changes the fact that the institutions of family and nation are basically biological in origin.
Just as the biological family creates the normative family structure into which non-biological children are adopted, the ethnic and historic tribe creates the nation into which immigrants are naturalized.
It would be pretty obnoxious for Steve to argue that all children should be randomly assigned at birth to unrelated foster parents.
Likewise, I find it obnoxious when high-agency minorities try to deconstruct the white cultural and racial heritage of America and Europe to suit the parochial agenda of their special snowflake selves.
The implied but not explicit racialism of "For ourselves and our posterity" basically mirrors the way I view the National Question. The core of a country is biological, but the precise boundaries of the national polity are historically contingent, socially constructed, etc. Numbers are of the essence.
There’s a lot of Swedes on the ground in these programs, lowering the chance of embezzlement and increasing the oversight.
“Yes, and yes”
Than name the 14 types of Liberals.
“Our Posterity” has pretty much abrogated everything “Ourselves” advocated. It took less than two hundred years to do so. It what happens when the children deem they know better than their parents.
6 days ago I used that in a comment on an LAT article you posted:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gays-for-trump-crowd-gathers-at-costa-mesa-rally-20160428-story.html#vf-10075700003231
“Fauxcahontas hates Trump because he represents an America in which blue eyed blond haired lesbians don’t get career boosts from claiming to be Indians.”
When asked how does she know she is Native American, Elizabeth said her great great grandmother had high cheekbones. Some Caucasians have high cheekbones, this is especially common in Slavic people like Donald Trump’s wife Melania.
Reminds me of Black people who say they are Native American because they had a distant ancestor in their family tree who had good hair. Yeah that good hair comes from having Cracka blood, but they hate White people so much that they are ashamed to admit they have some Caucasian ancestry.
Suggest using the slogan “For ourselves and our posteriors.” Sure to help pick up a share of the all important, influential gay vote.
“1) black supremacy
2) female supremacy
3) taxing the rich more
4) killing the rich
5) Gay power
6) Lesbian power
7) Tranny power
8) anti-war
9) Latinx power
10) anti-christian
11) Sharia jihad
12) Weed legalization
13) Single payer healthcare
14) tuitionless college, student loan debt forgiveness
15) ban guns
I could probably name a few more”
Good list. Here is more
16) Continue to have open borders
17) Kill the coal industry
18) Increase affirmative action
19) No keystone pipeline
20) Abolish non liberal free speech on college campuses
21) Increase the number of Muslim refugees to Western nations even though the majority are able bodied young men of war fighting age
22) Increase section 8 housing
Since you know so much. What percentage of these Swedes are female? Thanks
The problem I have with “Ourselves and Our Posterity” is precisely its explicit reference of the Constitution.
The US Constitution is a Gnostic and Masonic document. It has nothing to do with anything I would like to “conserve” about the United States of America or Western Civilization. This professed love for the Constitution belongs to the Cruzers’ brand of ideological non-servatism which went down in defeat two days ago. For my part, I am very happy to be living here at the dawn of a post-constitutional age.
No wonder he said the darndest things.
I must say, it appears we are in the beginning stages of a social revolution which people like Steve seemed to think were impossible without "elite intellectual" support.
It’s more than simply dedicated to a nation of people, it is that nation. The English nation is constituted in their two Houses of Parliament and the Monarch; the American nation is constituted in our two Houses of Congress and a President. A nation’s constitution represents the parts of which it is made and the way the people of that nation govern themselves, do business, etc. If the nation is altered beyond recognition, then its constitution must be changed to represent the transformed nation.
The Pew polls that show stronger Black and Latin support for big government and other differences with Whites indicate that a real change in the small-c constitution of the nation will come without a change in immigration policy.
I hate the Left, yet have no problem at all with #8 Anti-War (unless we are retaliating for an attack, are actually under attack, or are about to be attacked) and #12 Legalize Marijuana.
I didn't watch the McInnis video but I'm sure he did a good job of showing how wide the right wing tent is.
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
Anarchists, communists, environmentalists, LGBT activists, feminists, black activists, Latinx activists, Muslim groups, academics, union activists, SWPL yuppies, artists, suburban Northeastern limo liberals, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, militant secularists.
I’m sure I forgot a few. (Jews are split up among the other groups–whatever the net effects of immigration, etc. may be, pro-Israel activists don’t really seem to be a cohesive group within the Democrats at least–it’s more a position people take to keep donors happy.)
Don't forget Asian Social Justice Warriors who rebel against being labeled Model Minorities and claim that they suffer just as much racism from White people as Blacks do, even though they have zero statistical evidence to back up their claim that they fare as poorly as Blacks do when it comes to the criminal justice system, average household income, educational attainment, etc.
It is extremely pathetic for upper middle class Asian Social Justice Warriors to believe they are just as equally racially disadvantaged as the Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood Black underclass.
https://youtu.be/iUZvO36zm6Y
Can you give us a specific example?
https://youtu.be/EXs879mUu4o
If there are 14 types of Conservatives, no wonder the Right is fractured and not united like the Left.
Can anyone here name 14 types of Liberals? Do that many different types of Liberals even exist?
14 groups of conservatives on the right, one group of lemmings on the left.
Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide and 1% of their economic output at least every year should go towards helping mothers in Africa and such.
Why not adopt that mission instead?
We pay MORE than that for the “Africa” within.
I believe they were right, back then. (on both counts)
I’m aware that Steve was adopted. I’m also aware of the fact that my dad is an immigrant.
That said, neither my existence nor Steve’s changes the fact that the institutions of family and nation are basically biological in origin.
Just as the biological family creates the normative family structure into which non-biological children are adopted, the ethnic and historic tribe creates the nation into which immigrants are naturalized.
It would be pretty obnoxious for Steve to argue that all children should be randomly assigned at birth to unrelated foster parents.
Likewise, I find it obnoxious when high-agency minorities try to deconstruct the white cultural and racial heritage of America and Europe to suit the parochial agenda of their special snowflake selves.
The implied but not explicit racialism of “For ourselves and our posterity” basically mirrors the way I view the National Question. The core of a country is biological, but the precise boundaries of the national polity are historically contingent, socially constructed, etc. Numbers are of the essence.
I'm sure I forgot a few. (Jews are split up among the other groups--whatever the net effects of immigration, etc. may be, pro-Israel activists don't really seem to be a cohesive group within the Democrats at least--it's more a position people take to keep donors happy.)
“Anarchists, communists, environmentalists, LGBT activists, feminists, black activists, Latinx activists, Muslim groups, academics, union activists, SWPL yuppies, artists, suburban Northeastern limo liberals, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, militant secularists.”
Don’t forget Asian Social Justice Warriors who rebel against being labeled Model Minorities and claim that they suffer just as much racism from White people as Blacks do, even though they have zero statistical evidence to back up their claim that they fare as poorly as Blacks do when it comes to the criminal justice system, average household income, educational attainment, etc.
It is extremely pathetic for upper middle class Asian Social Justice Warriors to believe they are just as equally racially disadvantaged as the Don’t Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood Black underclass.
Note that, with the arguable exception of the Pouponistas in the limousines, not one of those groups is remotely “liberal”, in any sense of the word.
Also good for picking up the vital Bayesian vote.
Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide and 1% of their economic output at least every year should go towards helping mothers in Africa and such.
Why not adopt that mission instead?
Hmmm….Because the mission is insane?! UN predicts 4 billion Africans by 2060, and nowhere to put them, no way to feed them.
Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide and 1% of their economic output at least every year should go towards helping mothers in Africa and such.
Why not adopt that mission instead?
It wasn’t a “catchy slogan”. It is the purpose of the enterprise.
Well, let’s see … because how is that working out?
In Sweden, the high-cost, low-procreation society is imploding, pulling hostile and unassimilable immigrants into the resulting vacuum.
In Africa, the “helping” of mothers does not result in a higher standard of living, it just results in a higher number of living, whose surplus numbers are even now crossing Europe’s beaches.
So the reason not to adopt that mission is because it’s bad for Sweden, bad for Africa, and bad for everyone getting the surplus population. Like most SJW-inspired missions, it is a triple fail.
Any other questions?
P.S. I doubt “Sweden” actually “believes” in this “mission”. A self-righteous, largely self-appointed claque of conceited elites may, but Sweden not so much.
Well played, good sir, well played!
That said, neither my existence nor Steve's changes the fact that the institutions of family and nation are basically biological in origin.
Just as the biological family creates the normative family structure into which non-biological children are adopted, the ethnic and historic tribe creates the nation into which immigrants are naturalized.
It would be pretty obnoxious for Steve to argue that all children should be randomly assigned at birth to unrelated foster parents.
Likewise, I find it obnoxious when high-agency minorities try to deconstruct the white cultural and racial heritage of America and Europe to suit the parochial agenda of their special snowflake selves.
The implied but not explicit racialism of "For ourselves and our posterity" basically mirrors the way I view the National Question. The core of a country is biological, but the precise boundaries of the national polity are historically contingent, socially constructed, etc. Numbers are of the essence.
I agree with you that mass immigration is bad. I agree that America can’t solve its fertility “problem” exactly the way that Mom and Pop Sailer (presumably) solved their fertility problem.
Rather, I’m saying that “for ourselves and our posterity” is not “implied racialism” and is not an argument against mass immigration. The masses of Hispanic and other immigrants, once they become citizens, are every bit as much the “posterity” of the Constitution as Steve and his descendants are the posterity of Mom and Pop Sailer. And the fact that the Founding Fathers undoubtedly imagined their posterity as English—not “white,” but English—is no more relevant than the fact that the Sailers probably imagined their posterity as biologically related to them.
That’s not just a theoretical point of public law. Like it or not, America been a nation of immigrants (“adoptees”) for several decades at least, maybe up to two centuries, depending how you define it. When people think of the “posterity” of the founding, they now imagine all sorts of ethnies that don’t belong to the founding stock: Irish, Swedish, Jewish, black, German, Chinese, Mexican, Italian, and so on. So intuitively, there’s nothing “implicitly racialist” about “our posterity.”
My point was not to demean every belief with significant leftist adherents, but merely to demonstrate the variety of ideologies and group interests under the Dem/lib/left big tent.
I didn’t watch the McInnis video but I’m sure he did a good job of showing how wide the right wing tent is.
It’s possible that Mexicans will get “our posterity” better than Anglos do.
“Sweden believes the fundamental mission of the country is to fight racism worldwide…”
This is fascinating. Is there a mission statement somewhere? I don’t mean from nice Lutheran churchmen, Jewish press-owners, or academics, I mean a government statement. I could well believe they do. It would make interesting reading.
On the other hand, despite their “beliefs”, they may end up creating a situation worse than Northern Ireland.
“EXCLUSIVE: Neo-Nazis thugs warn of a ‘year of violence’ following attacks on child migrants at train station in Sweden”, Daily Mail, Nick Fagge, 3 February 2016:
It’s almost as if someone is working hard to set up the optimum environments for triggering wars. Maybe it’s a giant experiment by secret alien overlords. Perhaps the space aliens are betting on the outcomes.
Doesn’t sound like high-trust Swedes were all that smart, instead they were callow, credulous, and just not very worldly:
Who could have ever guessed?
The best example of how a mass of immigrants can wreck our country is the example of the descendants of the slaves albeit forced immigrants in over two hundred years they have not managed to be assimilated . And continue to be an open running sore in our country .