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Slate: Trump Didn't Win Rust Belt So Much as Hillary Lost It

From Slate:

The Myth of the Rust Belt Revolt

Donald Trump didn’t flip working-class white voters. Hillary Clinton lost them.

By Konstantin Kilibarda and Daria Roithmayr

Commentators in charge of explaining Donald Trump’s surprise victory seem to have settled on the idea that the white working class in the Rust Belt played a decisive role. In the New York Times, for example, Thomas Edsall notes that Trump won 14 percent more noncollege whites than Mitt Romney, and that those working-class voters Trump carried by “huge margins” were heavily concentrated in the Rust Belt states of Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin (which we will call the Rust Belt 5).

But this emerging consensus around a Rust Belt revolt is wrong. People like Edsall have missed the real story: Relative to the 2012 election, Democratic support in the Rust Belt collapsed as a huge number of Democrats stayed home or (to a lesser extent) voted for a third party. Trump did not really flip white working-class voters in the Rust Belt. Mostly, Democrats lost them.

I haven’t looked at the math to see if this characterization stands up, but I’ve been talking for years of the utility of a half-a-loaf strategy. The Trump campaign spent a fair amount trying to lessen the enthusiasm for voting for Hillary of people were tough to persuade to go all the way to voting for Trump: maybe you can’t persuade Leon Jackson, a black Milwaukee high school gym teacher and veteran, to vote for Trump, but perhaps you can target him with ads on Facebook that sap his enthusiasm for voting for Hillary.

If Coach Jackson doesn’t quite get around to voting for Hillary like he promised his mom he would, that’s half as good for Trump as if he went all the way and voted for Trump.

This gets denounced in the press as “voter suppression,” but it strikes me as perfectly legitimate.

More investigation into how Hillary botched the race is needed.

 
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  1. She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she’d be putting forward Wall Street’s cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

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    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    Sure, an imaginary candidate that couldn't exist in the world we reside in would be more competitive.

    No, what would have actually made Trump more competitive is the (#$#(%(# R party not lining up to shoot him in the back repeatedly, including a ton of "principled" 3rd party voting that cost him dozens of electoral votes.
    , @Hibernian
    "OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too."

    If my aunt were a man, she'd be my uncle.
    , @bored identity
    Curiel....seriously?

    If a case assigned judge is a proud card carrying member of the Phillip Morris Friends of Lungs Society, and his CV openly displays that being raised in an almost exclusive realm of all tobacco related issues had heavily implicated his private life and professional growth, would it be okay for the defendant to imply some possible bias- if everybody knows that outside the courthouse the defendant urbi at orbi called for a full and unconditional ban on cigarettes?




    Thank you for smoking!
    , @Jack Hanson
    Still haven't leaned a thing about comparing Trump against Wundercandidates that exist only in your head I see.
    , @No_0ne
    "Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too."

    You seem to have very little faith in the ability of fake news outlets to simply make sh!t up. Or do you really think that the repeatedly-advanced suggestion that Trump was some kind of secret operative for SMERSH was really evidence-based?

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  2. The democrats could have avoided this by having a primary instead of a coronation.

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    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    The democrats could have avoided this by having a primary instead of a coronation.
     
    The republicans establishment tried to crown ¡Jeb! Had they succeeded, I would have been in the never Bush camp and voted for Sanders over ¡Jeb! However, republican primary voters would have none of it and voted for Trump.
    , @Barnard
    Realistically, which candidate that didn't run would have beaten Hillary and beat Trimp in the General Election? This is a larger part of the Democrats problem, they have done nothing during the Obama years to develop younger candidates that have any appeal to the electorate nationally.
  3. Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They’d already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she’d vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR’s “Die Rural Whites DIE!” Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That’s also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X’s or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That’s Game Theory 101.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban."

    That's because he doesn't think that blacks have enough agency or ability to be any kind of ral threat. I don't imagine he is alone in that among jewish donors.

    , @Hersh
    I agree with this. It crystallized for me with the Trayvon-Zimmerman business. It was so awful that the TV news used a photo of an 11 year old Trayvon even one time but they ran those photos every day. All the elite blacks on TV being so hateful and the elite whites on TV just going along with it. When was someone going to ask "Was Zimmerman supposed to let Trayvon kill him or turn him into a vegetable?" And Obama's "If I had a son" comment and his wife appearing with Trayvon's mother ---- these people have no regard for constitutional rights.
    , @Lagertha
    Holy, Holy., Holy....I am so upset. Whiskey, I disagree. I don't think people are, are as stupid as they think they are everywhere, today, walking down the street. I hate communism(doesn't work) so, forget that SF stuff. Ok, Ok, I think mostly, people are perhaps, as smart as we are....but most are offed.
    , @Shine a Light
    It is in our (pro-Trump) interests for the Democratic Party to get its crap together and present true opposition. Because Trump needs to know if he screws the working class and goes Bush-lite then in the 2018 mid-terms the Democrats might regain control of Congress and the impeachment hearings will start in January 2019!

    The Democrats have managed to keep blacks both poor and faithful to them for more than 50 years now, by scaring them with the GOP boogeyman. Working class whites are not going to be so easy to contain if Trump doesn't deliver. So far I am happy with what I see but Trump needs constant supervision and pressure from economic nationalists and American First foreign policy experts.

    As it is the Jews must be really nervous as they are going from near total control of both parties to the very real possibility of getting booted from both. Trump is outwardly pro-Israel but in a limited way compared to his NeoCon predecessors. Half of Hillary's donors were Jewish and so it will be real interesting to see if they keep donating if Keith Ellison does take control of the party.
    , @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    The meaning of Whiskey's note on Haim Saban pulling the plug —or not— as a bigly Demo donor is contingent on whether he actually wanted to say "down on" or "down with"; of which the latter would make way more sense in context. And that would also render Anon's comment on weak "black agency" inapposite.
    , @Corvinus
    "Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively."

    Temporarily. Remember, Trump also had his companies outsource jobs. He now has to deliver the goods, but by filling cabinet positions with corporate insiders and offering corporate welfare to entice American companies to remain in the States, the working class will be watching with a close eye.

    His message resonated with voters. Hillary failed to listen to the advice offered by her husband regarding working class whites. We shall see if working class whites will support his agenda in two years with the mid-term elections.

    "THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They’d already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush."

    Working class whites voted for Obama...TWICE.
  4. This link below shows an article in the Swiss weekly “das magazin”. The story is about Michal Kosinski, a researcher from Stanford and about Alexander Nix from Cambridge Analytic, who worked with/for Steve Bannon.
    The article is about a small group of scientists and businessmen, who work on the question, how you do reach the very people you want to communicate with via the internet – and how you can find out, who and where exactly they are. The article shows too, how this knowledge made it’s way to the Trump-camp (and Steve Bannon) – brush up your German …it’s an interesting read.

    https://www.dasmagazin.ch/2016/12/03/ich-habe-nur-gezeigt-dass-es-die-bombe-gibt

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    I like the fact that Brad Parscale, Trump's Digital Director, started working for Trump by building a real estate website for him. Trump must have seen something he liked. Let's hope he continues to find good people.
  5. “This gets denounced in the press as “voter suppression,” but it strikes me as perfectly legitimate.”

    In 2012 there was a lack of enthusiasm among Republican voters who ended up not voting. That’s how elections go. That’s how losses happen and wins occur.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Well, to be precise, when Republican voters stay home, it's perfectly legitimate. When Democrat voters stay home, it's voter suppression.
  6. Hillary was (1) an open borders immigration advocate, (2) anti-gun, and the NRA does politics very, very well, (3) anti-Christian, (see Jen Palm Oil’s savaging of Catholics, and the general Democrat-Party antipathy to Evangelicals), (4) on board for the whole Obama “those jobs are not coming back” schtick (35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute), (5) ignorant of the wrong-track change voters that sense that Democrats reject the notion that the United States Government ought to put the interests of United States citizens first.

    With that baggage, and the woke status of much more of the electorate, she lost. But Trump exploited the openings Hill provided.

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    "35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute"

    Most of those manufacturing jobs are not coming back, unless you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods. It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.
    , @MarcB
    "(4) on board for the whole Obama “those jobs are not coming back” schtick"

    I noticed how that media commentators completely glossed over that part of his Pennsylvania "Bitter Clinger" speech. That component was his most potentially politically damaging statement, and I don't recall much media focus on it. Perhaps those on the right side of history considered it so self-evident that it was unworthy of further examination.
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    Tallying up OH, MI, WI, PA, IA: Dems lost 1.2m votes, GOP gained 600k versus 2012.

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  8. Maybe we’ll find out in four years time.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe we’ll find out in four years time.

    I think 8. Trump will be running on his record in 4 years time, plus his campaigning skill. No Republican will risk humiliation and career suicide in the primary, Trump will be running unopposed, or may as well be should Kristol advance further along the senility curve.

    Trump understands economies. A country of the size and demographics of the US that does well needs to be doing something other than selling each other goods made in other countries (the barista economy). Primary industry, manufacturing, building infrastructure. And it is key that when building the infrastructure, long-term needs are provided for. It should be low maintenance, reliable, lasting, and useful - better to pay a little more to get something good that employs Americans, but not too much. Most career politicians, unless naturally born with a business brain or something similar, are never going to compete with someone like Trump.

    If anyone thinks 2016 was a landslide, wait until 2020. It's going to look like Reagan 1984 or Eisenhower 1956, or Nixon 1972. Maybe not that high because the Uniparty has demographically raped white America over the last generation, but it will relative to the modern Republican realm of possibility. A bit better if Trump can aggressively deport or repatriate with justification.

  9. @oddsbodkins
    The democrats could have avoided this by having a primary instead of a coronation.

    The democrats could have avoided this by having a primary instead of a coronation.

    The republicans establishment tried to crown ¡Jeb! Had they succeeded, I would have been in the never Bush camp and voted for Sanders over ¡Jeb! However, republican primary voters would have none of it and voted for Trump.

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  10. Trump steamrolled Big Media. Now they want to act like that never happened, like it was just another election, as if he didn’t just roll around their iMaginot Line.

    In other words, Hillary didn’t lose the election, so much as Big Media + Establishment did. Anything, to distract from that story.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Never stop an enemy when he's making a mistake.
    , @Forbes
    Yeah, Trump steamrolled the lapdog media--which he continues to do, and will do so long as they think they write The Narrative. They just don't get it that they lost--and will continue to produce stories that find explanations elsewhere. Fake news? It's as if the lapdog media turned into The Onion and nobody noticed.

    He also steamrolled the GOPe and the neocons--who still don't get it. Could NR and TWS be more meaningless than they are now? A Republican wins the WH and they actively opposed him. These folks are debating Trump's tweets as if the future of the republic depends on it--meanwhile the Left can't help themselves, by responding "How high?" as if every Trump tweet said "Jump!"
  11. Steve,

    I suspect a large number of such people wanted Trump to win, but couldn’t brave the cognitive dissonance or peer pressure that applied against a Trump vote (in the case of a longtime Dem, or a black person, etc.)

    If true, it is misleading to state that Trump didn’t win the votes, or that people sat home for being anti-Hillary. Trump won the electors. It’s just that they didn’t vote for him.

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  12. Donald Trump Criticizes China On Twitter (Liberal Heads Will Explode)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3501408/posts

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    • Replies: @epebble
    Confirms that the Taiwan opening bid was the first move to start the tariff war. If executed well, this might go well. But tough to handle the initial blow back from conservatives (that their "principles" are being gored), business lobby and even some Democrats for the increase in cost of goods. But the general inflation rate is low and if he can pull it off anytime, this is the best time when he still has the political capital during the honeymoon. If anyone can do it, Trump is the best since he can take cover under pragmatism over ideology. Sometimes, not having principles is good!
  13. They don’t really support their case. Looking at “the Rust Belt” as an entity is meaningless, you have to look at the individual states one by one. If you do that you see that in some states the total vote was less than in 2012 – but in others, such as Pennsylvania, the 2016 vote total was significantly higher than in 2012.

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  14. As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don’t vote. Nor do I care about the authors stereotyped black veteran voting for a democrat only because he’s blaaaaaaack and has to vote for a democrat but everyone messed it up by putting in white Hillary the mole in the US government, thereby leaving said blaaaaaaaack man with no one to vote for, none of the other candidates were blaaaaaaack.
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I just don’t vote or ponder the ill fate of the blaaaaaaack IQ, or the Jews either. I don’t think of plan to do anything about it, now that I mention it and to go further I don’t care about their IQ. What is an IQ? Ask Forest Gump.
    I would stand next to Muslims only with my back against a wall, Palestinians included.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sorry, I wasn't clear: the black gym coach who promised his mom and her church lady friends to vote for Hillary but never quite got around to it, was my invention not the Slate authors'.

    I was riffing based on an NYT article from after the election when they went into a black barbershop in Milwaukee and found nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn't voted for Hillary.

    , @Njguy73

    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don’t vote.
     
    But you can use the Internet? Wouldn't that get you shunned?
    , @Jefferson
    "As a self initiated Amish, White supremacist.

    The fact that you use the internet means you are not Amish. Also there is no such thing as an Amish White supremacist. They only see other fellow Amish people as their tribe. The Amish have not adopted a pan-White identity where they see a Louisiana Cajun for example as part of their tribe. They only care about their small little communities.
    , @Anonymous

    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don’t vote.
     
    So nice you had to say it twice eh? This post is unadulterated b.s. White "supremacists" are rare as hen's teeth, much less an Amish bloviating for paragraphs about it.

    In fact most anytime you see "white supremacist" in the mainstream news, you can assume a biased, ignorant source.
  15. Hillary was and never has been a good campaigner. One of Trump’s strengths was recognizing that she was clearing a path to the nomination via shenanigans (he might have listened into her drunken ramblings at one of the fundraisers he attended), and yet that was mostly because she couldn’t win via normally campaigning. In 2008 she got trounced by a nobody backbencher who initially ran to get greater name recognition, and a lot of people noticed she was just plain bad at winning elections. Trump noticed, I noticed, a lot of people noticed.

    Trump realized his own negatives were balanced by hers, meaning he had a real shot if she were the nominee.

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  16. When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Yeah, I've wondered that too. The usage sets my teeth on edge.

    Still, the use in this article was not the worst case. The worst is when someone says, "the issues around such-and-so." It's like the Annunciation of Intersectionality.
    , @Anonym
    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

    Language changes so much in the current year that it's literally 1984.
    , @Elsewhere

    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?
     
    Between 1810 and 1850, according to this Google n-gram data:
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=(about+the)+%2F+(www.unz.com6year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2C%28about%20the%29%20/%20%28around%20the%29%3B%2Cc0

    Why? I don't know. "Around" seems like an Americanism to me, since British use "about" in some places where I would use "around". Maybe it is only natural that "around" continues to replace "about" in different usage contexts.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?
     
    Probaby comes from the fact that American English speakers include people with German family backgrounds that grew up hearing people speaking broken English. You will never see "has gotten" in a British publication because gotten is an adjective. You can check this by searching an online version of the King James Version of the Bible. Every instance of "gotten" is an adjective. But German has the -en ending on lots of verbs. So the German speaking English learner hears gotten as an adjective and generalizes it to the past participle as well. Then kids hear this growing up and repeat it. This would also hold for Yiddish speakers. In their case, they would repeat it in print in the NYTimes.

    Swell, but what about "around" ?

    Around is similar to "rund um" in German which is used as physical as well as for ideas.

    However, English also uses about as around such as, "He was walking about in the town" meaning wandering around or going for a walk.

    https://twitter.com/GoWalkingAbout
    , @RANGERSREDSKINS
    It always strikes me as a status seeking or displaying shibboleth, as in when people say folks instead of people or gender instead of sex.
  17. @oddsbodkins
    The democrats could have avoided this by having a primary instead of a coronation.

    Realistically, which candidate that didn’t run would have beaten Hillary and beat Trimp in the General Election? This is a larger part of the Democrats problem, they have done nothing during the Obama years to develop younger candidates that have any appeal to the electorate nationally.

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  18. I said it myself for more than a year before the election: The black vote would help Trump not so much in the affirmative sense, (I thought his practical ceiling was 15%, and in reality, he got 8%), but from the blacks that stayed home. A black voter in a swing rust belt state that voted Obama in 2012 but stayed home in 2016 was in essence casting half a vote for Trump.

    Where Slate is wrong is that it was easy to see quite a few counties and many many precincts in the rust belt flipped or reddened. That can only be because of WCWs.

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don’t get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don’t get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.
     
    Well good on them then.

    "Permanent" constituencies have a way of being neglected into not-so-permanent constituencies, even if they only express their displeasure by staying home.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    WCW? Until an acronym is fully alive (e.g. SWPL, SJW), can we not spell out to our fellow readers what the heck you are trying to say with your CAPITAL LETTERS. Think of the children.
  19. A little OT: Konstantin Kilibarda sounds look a pretty cool name.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    Kilibardas belong to tough Montenegrin clan of so-called "White Montengrians"- which is a Pro-Serbian oriented faction - while "Green Montenegrians" are proponents of Montenegro as an independent country.

    Spirit-cooking Marina's communist father was a "White Montenegrian"and the Supreme Commander of Tito's preatorians.

    http://www.montenet.org/history/podgskup.htm
  20. @countenance
    I said it myself for more than a year before the election: The black vote would help Trump not so much in the affirmative sense, (I thought his practical ceiling was 15%, and in reality, he got 8%), but from the blacks that stayed home. A black voter in a swing rust belt state that voted Obama in 2012 but stayed home in 2016 was in essence casting half a vote for Trump.

    Where Slate is wrong is that it was easy to see quite a few counties and many many precincts in the rust belt flipped or reddened. That can only be because of WCWs.

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don't get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don’t get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.

    Well good on them then.

    “Permanent” constituencies have a way of being neglected into not-so-permanent constituencies, even if they only express their displeasure by staying home.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Well said.

    Trump and the GOP at large should take heed that their newfound strength among Midwestern WCWs is only the result of the Democrats taking the wrong lessons from their successful 2006-2008 quasi-centrist, guys-with-Confederate-flags-on-their-pickups, really-concerned-about-wars-deficits-earmarks, drop-gun-control platform, and their also-successful 2012 class-warfare, Occupy-Wall-Street, you-didn't-build-that platform.

    This caused them to start believing their own "blue wall" theory, become drunk with overconfidence and screw the pooch with their 2014-2016 hate-whitey, police-are-evil-racist-murderers platform.
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    This strikes me as generally true, although a fact-checker would have to wonder what’s the actual difference between ‘flipping some white voters’ and ‘winning a higher percentage of white voters than previous Republican candidates’. Anywho… I would have phrased it differently, but that’s because I look at it from a different perspective; mostly, I agree.

    Perhaps: it’s not that Trump is a great candidate, but if he’s our only alternative to the uniparty then we’ll hold our nose and vote for him.

    Or: Trump’s plans are uncertain, but we know we won’t like what Hillary will inflict on us.

    Or: We wish we had a more eloquent spokesman, but Trump is our only hope to dislodge the neocons.

    Or: Trump is the anti-establishment candidate.

    All of the above, I think, are the reasons that his supporters mostly ignored all the mudslinging and scandals: he was a protest vote to begin with. His supporters already knew his drawbacks as a candidate and as a person; further convincing them of something they already knew didn’t make a difference.

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    • Agree: ic1000, Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Agreed.

    All of the above, I think, are the reasons that his supporters mostly ignored all the mudslinging and scandals:
     
    Trump had been in the eye of the media for 30+ years. Warts and all, the public knew him. The mudslinging and scandal-mongering made it apparent media was opposing Trump--media that previously found Trump useful. If Trump was dangerous or toxic, surely that would've been revealed long before now. Efforts to continue portraying Trump negatively only serves to confirm media opposition and bias.
  22. Hillary’s recount strategy is to get a lawsuit (any lawsuit) to the Supreme Court so the Court can rule the Electoral College unconstitutional and declare Hillary the winner based on the popular vote (probably because the Electoral College runs afoul of a shiny new interpretation of the 14th Amendment).

    You heard it here first!

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Anthony Kennedy wants to be replaced by a Republican. Otherwise, he would've retired under Obama.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Hillary’s recount strategy is to get a lawsuit (any lawsuit) to the Supreme Court so the Court can rule the Electoral College unconstitutional...
     
    The Electoral College is part of the constitution itself, and thus can not simply be declared unconstitutional. It would take a constitutional amendment to end it. The SCOTUS isn't going to approve some B.S. argument stemming from the 14th Amendment. Maybe after Hillary had a chance to pack the High Court with SJWs, but not as things stand today.
  23. Not sure if Steve is referencing this, but it’s possibly the best reporting the Times did about the election, conveniently completed after November 8:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html

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  24. @Chrisnonymous
    She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she'd be putting forward Wall Street's cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

    Sure, an imaginary candidate that couldn’t exist in the world we reside in would be more competitive.

    No, what would have actually made Trump more competitive is the (#$#(%(# R party not lining up to shoot him in the back repeatedly, including a ton of “principled” 3rd party voting that cost him dozens of electoral votes.

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    • Replies: @Abe

    No, what would have actually made Trump more competitive is the (#$#(%(# R party not lining up to shoot him in the back repeatedly, including a ton of “principled” 3rd party voting that cost him dozens of electoral votes.
     
    Besides the hypothetical 3 million illegals who swung the popular vote to Hillary (not saying Trump might not be right, but I'd not bet on this at even odds if it could be proven by an honest investigator either way) there were the 50,000 felons Mcauliffe pardoned in VA just so they could vote for Her Highness this year, and the 600,000 Mormons who went for Deep State Cuck out in Utah thanks to Romney's feud with Trump. Jill Stein got 1 million more votes than is usual for the Green Party this election, but Gary Johnson got a whopping 4 million! more than usual, thanks to media collusion, GOPe disloyalty, etc. So Trump would have won the popular vote too if NEVERTRUMP chaos had not interceded, and they should be easily rewinnable assuming he does a reasonably competent job for the next 4 years. Interesting also how the media pushed Johnson early to siphon Trump votes, then sprang the What-is-Aleppo? gaffe on him the exact day after polls came out showing a tied race and panic ensued Johnson could be hurting Hillary a bit more than Trump.
  25. @Jane Claire
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don't vote. Nor do I care about the authors stereotyped black veteran voting for a democrat only because he's blaaaaaaack and has to vote for a democrat but everyone messed it up by putting in white Hillary the mole in the US government, thereby leaving said blaaaaaaaack man with no one to vote for, none of the other candidates were blaaaaaaack.
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I just don't vote or ponder the ill fate of the blaaaaaaack IQ, or the Jews either. I don't think of plan to do anything about it, now that I mention it and to go further I don't care about their IQ. What is an IQ? Ask Forest Gump.
    I would stand next to Muslims only with my back against a wall, Palestinians included.

    Sorry, I wasn’t clear: the black gym coach who promised his mom and her church lady friends to vote for Hillary but never quite got around to it, was my invention not the Slate authors’.

    I was riffing based on an NYT article from after the election when they went into a black barbershop in Milwaukee and found nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn’t voted for Hillary.

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    • Replies: @excluded middle
    Then Trump copied Obama's riffs from 2012, no? By "suppressing" the other candidate's voters' will to fight/vote
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn’t voted for Hillary."

    And that's why there's a recount going on in WI; MI; and PA.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/open-thread-last-presidential-debate/#comment-1614615


    "He(Trump) might also dissuade some voters from voting for Hillary if he hammers her on her whoring herself out to the bankers for cash." -- Change The Composition Of The Electorate -- Pick And Choose Your Battles. God Bless Trump, Sessions, Buchanan, Coulter, Brimelow and Sailer.
  26. @FactsAreImportant
    Hillary's recount strategy is to get a lawsuit (any lawsuit) to the Supreme Court so the Court can rule the Electoral College unconstitutional and declare Hillary the winner based on the popular vote (probably because the Electoral College runs afoul of a shiny new interpretation of the 14th Amendment).

    You heard it here first!

    Anthony Kennedy wants to be replaced by a Republican. Otherwise, he would’ve retired under Obama.

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    Anthony Kennedy wants to be replaced by a Republican. Otherwise, he would’ve retired under Obama.
     
    True.

    I didn't say Hillary's strategy was going to work. But, it is the only strategy available, and the Clinton's aren't the kind of people who "go quietly into the night."
  27. This election – if one bothers to think seriously about it – was revolutionary. The entire establishment was in the tank for Clinton and against Trump, even a large part of his own stoopid party’s establishment. The MSM inundated the electorate with negative reporting on Trump and positive on Clinton. Trump was outspent by between five-to-one and ten-to-one. Trump’s campaign team was jury-rigged, staffed even at the highest levels by many persons with little experience in running a political campaign, and had zero campaign staff in place at the precinct level when the campaign began. The Clinton campaign was a well-oiled machine, in continuous existence for nearly three decades, staffed by the best professionals money can buy, and tightly organized with staff in place down to the precinct level even before the primary campaign.

    Yet Trump won. There are three reasons: (1) Trump’s message against “invade the world/invite the world/in debt to the world” policies resonated with a large majority of the electorate. (2) Clinton’s history of corruption, epic failures, and dangerous belligerence turned off many voters and potential voters. (3) Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust; playing favorites and keeping obvious incompetents in place or even promoting them; and refusing to alter her ideas and theories even when events prove them disastrously wrong. Before this Slick Willy occasionally stepped in to save her, e.g., restoring her failing senatorial campaign in the nick of time. But this time his magic was gone. The crash and burn of Clinton’s campaign suggests what a disaster her presidency would have been.

    I suspect that if the MSM had covered this campaign in an unbiased manner and addressed the issues that both candidates raised, Trump would have won in a landslide. But to do this then or even do an honest post-election analysis of what happened would probably bring down the establishment. It will be decades or more, if ever, before we see a reasonable empirical analysis of this election.

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Desiderius

    But this time his magic was gone.
     
    Trump's most underrated accomplishment. No other R had the balls to do what needed done.
    , @Anon
    The moral of the story is never go full Orwell unless you have the coercion bit down, too.
    , @Clyde
    You mean in hock to the world.

    Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust.

    Is that ever true! In 2008 her dysfunctional inner circle was just about all female chums. A witch's coven due to Hillary's evil intentions. At least this time around it (2016) she included some guys and gays. But still run on paranoid secrecy and distrust. Such as her email server.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Excellent comment. (Used up my "agree" vote already.)
  28. It is actually quite complicated to understand the dynamics of this election, in my opinion.

    Lots of luck was involved, for sure.

    I think the best and simplest way to put it, is this way:

    Any other Democrat except Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

    Any other Republican except Donald Trump would have lost to Hillary Clinton.

    This is how I see it…

    Feels Good Man!

    I don’t think these ”Never Trump” protest voters will vote for Hillary, and many of them might not even stay home, but in the end grudgingly decide [to] vote for Trump to prevent a Madam President. I am not so sure the same can be said about Bernie Sanders supporters, whose ”Never Hillary” declarations I take far more seriously, and find more genuine and justified than ”Never Trump”ers’ huffing and puffing

    http://www.unz.com/article/war-steve-bannon-breitbart-ben-shapiro-and-what-comes-next/#comment-1543266

    Any Democrat but Hillary Clinton could have beaten Donald Trump in the general election.

    Linclon Chafee could have beaten Trump in the general election, but the MSM decided to belittle and denigrate honorable candidates like him. They so deserve this:

    At what point would Lincoln Chafee drop out?

    To be fair, and to give credit where credit is due… Angela Merkel, Colin Kaepernick et al. are some of the unsung heroes of this election cycle, without whose contributions and activism Donald Trump could have never been elected President of the United States of America.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-trump-carry-florida/#comment-1644296

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    Not so sure about Chafee, but if CNN Blitzen''s career was based on poll showings , he would hardly be allowed to anchor something more complicated than the kids' inflatable bumper-boats at Crab Island Water Park.

    Only under adult supervision, of course.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Yeah yeah yeah. Trump just happened to put away the two leading political dynasties in his first serious national run but "anyone could have beaten him other than Hillary".

    Do you listen to yourself and what you say and how silly you sound?
  29. Perhaps it is true that reduced Dem enthusiasm cost Hillary the election – but is it because of the candidate or the message? I seem to detect their hope that they can pin this on Hillary as a bad candidate (true) but that a more able campaigner could have relied on the “coalition of the ascendant” to turn out in sufficient numbers to get the party’s nominee across the finish line.

    And if this is the case, will the Democrats ever nominate a white candidate again? Corey Booker is too boring, and I am sure Dems are salivating over Kamala Harris…but perhaps Tammy Duckworth? Not as left wing as Harris, also a female minority, and a wounded war veteran. Can’t really think of any other non-white Dems who hold statewide office, and cannot think of any white ones who will be under 70.

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    • Replies: @Entity
    "I seem to detect their hope that they can pin this on Hillary as a bad candidate"

    Bernie supporters are thinking that, but they just want a more progressive white person instead of a kleptocrat or a person of color. Hillary's people are blaming everything but her. It's pretty clear that she was the problem. Somebody compared Hillary Clinton answering a question to Magic Johnson on his talk show: you can see the wheels turning in their head as they try to compute the optimal solution, given the advice they have.

    Trump played to his strengths, and he campaigned hard. There was a winning strategy for Democrats, in making Trump out to be a conman and demagogue. Instead, they tried obviously politically motivated rape accusations, and a 10-year-old tape of locker room talk. Maybe the Democrats thought turning Trump into a dangerous, dark, warlord would be scary enough, even though Hillary was the one hinting at thermonuclear war with Russia?

    Most likely, labeling Trump as a conman and demagogue would just allow Trump to rebut by highlighting Hillary's bribes, Wall Street speeches, and the DoJ protecting her. If Bernie were running, he could label Trump a conman without any rebuttal by Trump. Unfortunately for Democrats, Trump is already killing "free trade" and keeping jobs here, so the conman label won't stick in 2020.
  30. @Chrisnonymous
    She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she'd be putting forward Wall Street's cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

    “OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.”

    If my aunt were a man, she’d be my uncle.

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    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "If my aunt were a man, she’d be my uncle."
    I thought it was "If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle".
    , @CK
    Balls said the queen, if I had to I could be king.
    And the king laughed because he had two.

    It also works if you switch the two.
  31. @Desiderius

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don’t get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.
     
    Well good on them then.

    "Permanent" constituencies have a way of being neglected into not-so-permanent constituencies, even if they only express their displeasure by staying home.

    Well said.

    Trump and the GOP at large should take heed that their newfound strength among Midwestern WCWs is only the result of the Democrats taking the wrong lessons from their successful 2006-2008 quasi-centrist, guys-with-Confederate-flags-on-their-pickups, really-concerned-about-wars-deficits-earmarks, drop-gun-control platform, and their also-successful 2012 class-warfare, Occupy-Wall-Street, you-didn’t-build-that platform.

    This caused them to start believing their own “blue wall” theory, become drunk with overconfidence and screw the pooch with their 2014-2016 hate-whitey, police-are-evil-racist-murderers platform.

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    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    Is everyone here supposed to understand your acronym WCW?
    , @Buck Turgidson
    I had never thought that midwestern World Championship Wrestling had much to do with the election results, but I"ll take your word for it.
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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/the-dingoes-claim-to-be-growing-part-of-australian-alternativeright-political-scene/news-story/d6ae348e0e1c6a3189dac86914d538d3

    Holy crap. That's probably the fairest article I've ever seen on news.com.au to white people and white identity politics. I didn't think Rupert would allow this sort of thing.
  33. @Jane Claire
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don't vote. Nor do I care about the authors stereotyped black veteran voting for a democrat only because he's blaaaaaaack and has to vote for a democrat but everyone messed it up by putting in white Hillary the mole in the US government, thereby leaving said blaaaaaaaack man with no one to vote for, none of the other candidates were blaaaaaaack.
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I just don't vote or ponder the ill fate of the blaaaaaaack IQ, or the Jews either. I don't think of plan to do anything about it, now that I mention it and to go further I don't care about their IQ. What is an IQ? Ask Forest Gump.
    I would stand next to Muslims only with my back against a wall, Palestinians included.

    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don’t vote.

    But you can use the Internet? Wouldn’t that get you shunned?

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  34. @Chrisnonymous
    She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she'd be putting forward Wall Street's cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

    Curiel….seriously?

    If a case assigned judge is a proud card carrying member of the Phillip Morris Friends of Lungs Society, and his CV openly displays that being raised in an almost exclusive realm of all tobacco related issues had heavily implicated his private life and professional growth, would it be okay for the defendant to imply some possible bias- if everybody knows that outside the courthouse the defendant urbi at orbi called for a full and unconditional ban on cigarettes?

    Thank you for smoking!

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  35. @Hibernian
    "OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too."

    If my aunt were a man, she'd be my uncle.

    “If my aunt were a man, she’d be my uncle.”
    I thought it was “If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle”.

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  36. @Jus' Sayin'...
    This election - if one bothers to think seriously about it - was revolutionary. The entire establishment was in the tank for Clinton and against Trump, even a large part of his own stoopid party's establishment. The MSM inundated the electorate with negative reporting on Trump and positive on Clinton. Trump was outspent by between five-to-one and ten-to-one. Trump's campaign team was jury-rigged, staffed even at the highest levels by many persons with little experience in running a political campaign, and had zero campaign staff in place at the precinct level when the campaign began. The Clinton campaign was a well-oiled machine, in continuous existence for nearly three decades, staffed by the best professionals money can buy, and tightly organized with staff in place down to the precinct level even before the primary campaign.

    Yet Trump won. There are three reasons: (1) Trump's message against "invade the world/invite the world/in debt to the world" policies resonated with a large majority of the electorate. (2) Clinton's history of corruption, epic failures, and dangerous belligerence turned off many voters and potential voters. (3) Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust; playing favorites and keeping obvious incompetents in place or even promoting them; and refusing to alter her ideas and theories even when events prove them disastrously wrong. Before this Slick Willy occasionally stepped in to save her, e.g., restoring her failing senatorial campaign in the nick of time. But this time his magic was gone. The crash and burn of Clinton's campaign suggests what a disaster her presidency would have been.

    I suspect that if the MSM had covered this campaign in an unbiased manner and addressed the issues that both candidates raised, Trump would have won in a landslide. But to do this then or even do an honest post-election analysis of what happened would probably bring down the establishment. It will be decades or more, if ever, before we see a reasonable empirical analysis of this election.

    But this time his magic was gone.

    Trump’s most underrated accomplishment. No other R had the balls to do what needed done.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    Did Trump learn anything from Bill Clinton on the golf course? Trump has consistently been several steps ahead of everybody else. Presumably, he has his own intelligence network of confidential sources & informers. The man has been proven right so consistently that it has to be more than just incredibly good luck or fantastic instincts.
  37. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Meanwhile, in Germany

    Maria Ladenburger, the daughter of a high-ranking EU official, was returning from a party in the university city of Freiburg in Germany when she was assaulted on a cycle path. She was raped and then drowned before her body was found in the River Dreisam.

    The suspect, an Afghan migrant, was caught after police found DNA on a scarf near the path.

    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Ms Ladenburger reportedly worked in her spare time helping out in refugee homes in Freiburg.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739620/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-EU-official-daughter-killed-by-refugee-Aghan

    Welp… as tough as it sounds, rapes and drownings of young girls is the price Progressive German’s must pay for the greater good.

    Giving up your national sovereignty, autonomy, collective manhood, while deleting the character of a nation isn’t a figurative walk in the park.

    It’s more of a literal drowning of a young raped teen girl, in the lake of the park. In Germany.

    The German’s can label me an old sentimentalist if they like!

    I will admit to feeling sad about that poor raped and drowned german teen, German-European social progress be damned!

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    • Replies: @eah
    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Noch immer schweigt der 17-jährige Tatverdächtige zum Vorwurf des Mordes an einer Freiburger Studentin -- he was only just arrested (on Friday I think) -- there has been no confession ("schweigt"), and no date for sentencing -- in general, the obedient German media is burying this story as deeply as they can -- the BIG question now is whether he is also responsible for the murder of another young woman who was found dead not long ago and not far away -- search 'Carolin G'.

    , @Almost Missouri
    Well, I hope this won't impact the young Afghan's asylum request.

    /s
    , @sb
    Well at least she died making a refugee's day just that little bit more pleasant
  38. I believe there’s a missing who in the first few sentences of the above post:

    “The Trump campaign spent a fair amount trying to lessen the enthusiasm for voting for Hillary of people WHO were tough to persuade…”

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  39. @Steve Sailer
    Sorry, I wasn't clear: the black gym coach who promised his mom and her church lady friends to vote for Hillary but never quite got around to it, was my invention not the Slate authors'.

    I was riffing based on an NYT article from after the election when they went into a black barbershop in Milwaukee and found nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn't voted for Hillary.

    Then Trump copied Obama’s riffs from 2012, no? By “suppressing” the other candidate’s voters’ will to fight/vote

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  40. More investigation into how Hillary botched the race is needed.

    The Democrats “botched” the election by nominating HRC, who in truth was never electable (Lügenpresse).

    To answer the last question below (and pose another one): you’d have ‘diversity’, and what could be more better than that?

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    The question posed assumes the usual economic poppycock that people are nothing more than economic widgets to be moved around a global chessboard by TPTB. It ignores that people have, not just economic output (GDP per capita), but cultural capital (language, religion, traditions, folkways, family relations, et al.) and agency that are not displaced, or to be ignored, by hypothetical "what if" exercises by policy mavens.
  41. Speaking of Hillary’s defeat, I wish someone would obtain the “Madam President” issue of Newsweek that was sent out on Election Night. Not only is it a curio of the “Dewey Defeats Truman” type but the text is supposed to be very amusing, especially in retrospect. I have seen online auctions asking for $10,000 for this issue ……

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2016/12/03/newsweek-slavishly-devoted-madam-president-issue-was-outsourced-and

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    • Replies: @Abe
    I subscribe to the Criterion Collection's monthly newsletter (Criterion back in the day was famous for making legendary masterpieces of world cinema easily available on laserdisc and then DVD like SEVENTH SEAL, 8 1/2, etc.; as the true masterpieces ran out they've resorted to lending their prestige imprimatur to film school losers like Wes Anderson, Lena Dunham- yes, she made a feature film once- and a bunch of other much lesser-known lights. Oh yeah, and also Michael Bay.). Anyway, as you can probably tell they have a very SJW/SWPL vibe going, even though they are not expressly political. And on this month's newsletter was a THE NEW YORKER-style doodle of a magazine with Hilary's smirking mug on the cover, which no one bothered to redact before the newsletter went out.
  42. I find it interesting that the deplorables basket paradigm — which HRC instinctively but too late recognized as a gaffe — has been “owned” outright by Dem bigshots in the aftermath, e.g. Palmieri sassing Conway at that Harvard confab. Howard Dean said with no irony that Bannon is a Nazi. On the ABC election coverage when it was all over (11:00 hour basically) Stephanie Cutter for lack of baloney excuses just started in on KKKampaign themes and was mildly rebuked by all the other co-panelists including Kristol and Alex Castellanos of all people; in the month since, Dems are no longer hesitant to profess this silly self-deluding concept. Look at the comical op-ed by the Emory prof who says he’s being blacklisted. It is more of a rhetorical bind rather than epistemic closure — they’ve forbade themselves to reassess identity group bingo’s inherent limitations. Also they embrace a very gay, arch tone of anti-empathetic aristocratic disdain, usually only heard on daytime soaps, for their potential clients, itself a displacement effect since they can’t say anything honest about laggard NAMs. It’s a party full of extremely unhappy folks, though the non-liberals are supposed to be the angry ones.

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    • Replies: @MarcB
    "Also they embrace a very gay, arch tone of anti-empathetic aristocratic disdain, usually only heard on daytime soaps, for their potential clients, itself a displacement effect since they can’t say anything honest about laggard NAMs".

    They brought to mind the old "Poverty Sucks" poster as whenever they described voters as down market whites. Some of them came perilously close to the foppish overlords from the Hunger Games.
  43. I think what hasn’t been analyzed is what would a Trump campaign with a conventional, well-funded campaign apparatus and ground game on par with HRC’s have done? What about that together with the full support of the party that nominated him?

    A lot can change in 4 years, but the Democrats are fooling themselves if they think they can simply flip 100,000 votes in three states and waltz to victory if a Trump machine emerges in the interim.

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  44. @anon
    Meanwhile, in Germany

    Maria Ladenburger, the daughter of a high-ranking EU official, was returning from a party in the university city of Freiburg in Germany when she was assaulted on a cycle path. She was raped and then drowned before her body was found in the River Dreisam.

    The suspect, an Afghan migrant, was caught after police found DNA on a scarf near the path.

    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Ms Ladenburger reportedly worked in her spare time helping out in refugee homes in Freiburg.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739620/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-EU-official-daughter-killed-by-refugee-Aghan

    Welp... as tough as it sounds, rapes and drownings of young girls is the price Progressive German's must pay for the greater good.

    Giving up your national sovereignty, autonomy, collective manhood, while deleting the character of a nation isn't a figurative walk in the park.

    It's more of a literal drowning of a young raped teen girl, in the lake of the park. In Germany.

    The German's can label me an old sentimentalist if they like!

    I will admit to feeling sad about that poor raped and drowned german teen, German-European social progress be damned!

    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Noch immer schweigt der 17-jährige Tatverdächtige zum Vorwurf des Mordes an einer Freiburger Studentin — he was only just arrested (on Friday I think) — there has been no confession (“schweigt”), and no date for sentencing — in general, the obedient German media is burying this story as deeply as they can — the BIG question now is whether he is also responsible for the murder of another young woman who was found dead not long ago and not far away — search ‘Carolin G’.

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  45. Jerry-rigged. Jury rigging is something else entirely. :)

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she’d vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Schumer’s in Ellison’s corner, too. ADL, on the other hand, just reversed to opposing him, now that the audio has surfaced, of him telling an audience that the Israel lobby controls American foreign policy. I wouldn’t bank on Saban and Schumer staying on-side.

    [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    45% for the guy who said “Islam Raus!” is pretty far from full retard. And again, it’s a ceremonial position, anyway. Victory wouldn’t have been much of a victory, and the loss isn’t much of a loss.

    Any other Democrat except Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

    Any other Republican except Donald Trump would have lost to Hillary Clinton.

    That’s actually an interesting take.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Jerry-rigged. Jury rigging is something else entirely."

    I used to think that, but when I looked it up, it looked like "jury rigging" is the original for improvising a technical solution and "jerry rigging" is the neologism.

  46. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Maybe OT–Turkish or Gulenist shenanigans taking advantage of US? Shocked, shocked…

    “Fake US embassy in Ghana shut down after a decade”, Donie O’Sullivan, CNN, December 4, 2016:

    “…a building that operated as a US embassy in Ghana was a fake, the US State Department says.

    The enterprise, which issued fraudulently obtained legitimate visas, counterfeit visas, and other false identification documents, was overseen by figures from Ghanaian and Turkish crime rings working in cahoots with corrupt Ghanaian officials, the US State Department said in a statement…

    …State Department did not say how many people may have entered the United States illegally using documentation issued by the crime ring, nor did it say how the ring may have obtained official documents. …

    …The operation also uncovered a fake Dutch embassy…

    …The sham embassy advertised its services through fliers and billboards to cultivate customers from Ghana and neighboring countries…”

    Enterprising, very enterprising. Perhaps Ottoman-like, with audacious style. Clearly we need these people to do bureaucracy that Americans just won’t do!

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  47. Although I suppose it is possible to Jerry-rig a jury-rigging.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    google books ngram viewer shows interesting data on Jerry versus Jury.

    Here

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=jury+rigged%2C+jerry+rigged&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cjury%20rigged%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cjerry%20rigged%3B%2Cc0


    With the former only appearing in 1980 while the latter goes back to 1830.

    I was expecting Jerry to start appearing immediately after one of the late unpleasantness' with the Hun in the previous century, where the necessity for ad-hoc solutions was increasingly apparent in the Fatherland.

  48. @FKA Max
    It is actually quite complicated to understand the dynamics of this election, in my opinion.

    Lots of luck was involved, for sure.

    I think the best and simplest way to put it, is this way:

    Any other Democrat except Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

    Any other Republican except Donald Trump would have lost to Hillary Clinton.

    This is how I see it...

    Feels Good Man!


    I don’t think these ”Never Trump” protest voters will vote for Hillary, and many of them might not even stay home, but in the end grudgingly decide [to] vote for Trump to prevent a Madam President. I am not so sure the same can be said about Bernie Sanders supporters, whose ”Never Hillary” declarations I take far more seriously, and find more genuine and justified than ”Never Trump”ers’ huffing and puffing
     
    – http://www.unz.com/article/war-steve-bannon-breitbart-ben-shapiro-and-what-comes-next/#comment-1543266

    Any Democrat but Hillary Clinton could have beaten Donald Trump in the general election.

    Linclon Chafee could have beaten Trump in the general election, but the MSM decided to belittle and denigrate honorable candidates like him. They so deserve this:

    At what point would Lincoln Chafee drop out?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SExMtNDS5hk

    To be fair, and to give credit where credit is due… Angela Merkel, Colin Kaepernick et al. are some of the unsung heroes of this election cycle, without whose contributions and activism Donald Trump could have never been elected President of the United States of America.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-trump-carry-florida/#comment-1644296

    Not so sure about Chafee, but if CNN Blitzen”s career was based on poll showings , he would hardly be allowed to anchor something more complicated than the kids’ inflatable bumper-boats at Crab Island Water Park.

    Only under adult supervision, of course.

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  49. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    “And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.”

    That’s because he doesn’t think that blacks have enough agency or ability to be any kind of ral threat. I don’t imagine he is alone in that among jewish donors.

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    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Nah, Whiskey meant "Down with" not "down on". I.e. Saban will abandon Democrat Party because he fears/hates Ellison.
  50. Anyone notice all the new Trump-booster accounts on Facebook? His crew is not letting up…cult of personality in the making?

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  51. Trump’s victory came about by sacrificing middle to upper-middle class white votes where he could afford to lose them – states that are either solidly blue or solidly red – in order to gain votes among blue-collar white votes in states that were only soft-blue.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Trump's weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot.
    , @Prof. Woland
    I cannot tell you how may "professionals" who I know who told me they were "embarrassed" by Trump or could or would not really talk about him privately, let alone publicly. Part of this was the snob effect but deeper than that, most of them were afraid. The higher up the food chain people go, the more threatened they feel for their careers and public standing. It does not matter how much money you make, if you are afraid of your boss or clients, you are destined to wear a self imposed collar around your neck. It wasn't just that they weren't going to vote for Trump, they had to let everyone know that they looked down on him.

    This is one reason the false sexual harassment accusations almost worked. It was a fig leaf that gave a ready made excuse for not supporting him. Particularly Republicans and Blue Dogs that normally could not stomach the bitch. There was no positive reason to support Hillary but they had to give people a reason why they would vote for her. This won her a disproportionate share of the coward vote as well as various and sundry cucks.
  52. @Jane Claire
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don't vote. Nor do I care about the authors stereotyped black veteran voting for a democrat only because he's blaaaaaaack and has to vote for a democrat but everyone messed it up by putting in white Hillary the mole in the US government, thereby leaving said blaaaaaaaack man with no one to vote for, none of the other candidates were blaaaaaaack.
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I just don't vote or ponder the ill fate of the blaaaaaaack IQ, or the Jews either. I don't think of plan to do anything about it, now that I mention it and to go further I don't care about their IQ. What is an IQ? Ask Forest Gump.
    I would stand next to Muslims only with my back against a wall, Palestinians included.

    “As a self initiated Amish, White supremacist.

    The fact that you use the internet means you are not Amish. Also there is no such thing as an Amish White supremacist. They only see other fellow Amish people as their tribe. The Amish have not adopted a pan-White identity where they see a Louisiana Cajun for example as part of their tribe. They only care about their small little communities.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He or she said "self initiated Amish."
    , @Steve Sailer
    He or she said "self initiated Amish."

    I presume that means you don't have to work in the fields and can drive an F-150.

    , @FactsAreImportant
    Maybe Jane Claire should have said "self-identifying Amish" because Amishness is like totally a social construct y'know.
  53. Liberals like to fart on about how Trump got $2 or 3 billion worth of free airtime. What they don’t say is how much of that was negative particularly when the race got close. If the press was ‘conservative’ the way it is liberal now, he would have beat Hillary like a drum.

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  54. @carol
    Anyone notice all the new Trump-booster accounts on Facebook? His crew is not letting up...cult of personality in the making?

    meet the new boss?

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    A big deal that Keith Ellison had ties with Farrakhan the hater?

    Then, why is it okay for Jews to be supportive of Chabad?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

    Why such glowing article that overlooks some of the rebbe’s views?

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-rebbe-twenty-years-after/

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  56. @Ainsley
    "This gets denounced in the press as “voter suppression,” but it strikes me as perfectly legitimate."

    In 2012 there was a lack of enthusiasm among Republican voters who ended up not voting. That's how elections go. That's how losses happen and wins occur.

    Well, to be precise, when Republican voters stay home, it’s perfectly legitimate. When Democrat voters stay home, it’s voter suppression.

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  57. @Dave Pinsen
    When did "about" get replaced by "around" - and why?

    Yeah, I’ve wondered that too. The usage sets my teeth on edge.

    Still, the use in this article was not the worst case. The worst is when someone says, “the issues around such-and-so.” It’s like the Annunciation of Intersectionality.

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  58. Democrats are not backing off, because they can’t. Even Hollywood is going full on Hate Whitey. Kathleen Kennedy, Spielberg’s former gofer who … ended up running Star Wars told the press she won’t cast White men in Star Wars and does not want White male viewers. Its all female, all Black from here on out.

    [Hmm ... Short Disney? ]

    Living in SoCal, I can see this dynamic. White women embracing anti-White male stuff get approbation like … well Emma Stone in “the Help” from various non-Whites, the media, social media, gays, and nasty female celebrities like Madonna (who now wants Sean Penn to remarry her). And that matters because for women their entire life is centered around social approval and being hot. When they don’t even have being hot, its all social approval. Unless they have a pack of kids to care for; then they have other things to occupy themselves.

    Look at Hillary’s campaign. It was all gay White men and pajama boys (but I repeat myself) and various SJW women. No wonder it was a hate Whitey echo chamber; it made them FEELZ good (woman). Heck it no doubt made Hillary feelz good. Deplorables was her own word choice, and she no doubt felt real good deploring.

    Dems are likely to elect Louis Farrakhan acolyte Keith Ellison X as DNC head, and Haim Saban has already said he’ll be keeping his wallet shut when that happens. Indeed look to a general purging of Jews and old White ladies like Liawatha herself, Elizabeth Warren. Possible candidates include a drafted Michelle Obama, Keith Ellison himself (why not?), Al Sharpton, You can’t rule out Denzel Washington, or Jay Z either. A reverse Trump.

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    After eight years of intense debate over what bathroom some sub-tranny category should use I’m fatigued with all that. It’s all gotten weirder and weirder even as the SJW Red Guard have been unleashed against the greater society. Now it’s time to turn the tables, Stalin purges Trotsky.
    What’s with the spelling of the names of some of these writers? Are they hiring people just off the boat? Cheaper labor?

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    Your impression matches mine. Hiring writers just off the boat and all ready to start telling us everything that's wrong with white people.
  60. @Mr. Anon
    Trump's victory came about by sacrificing middle to upper-middle class white votes where he could afford to lose them - states that are either solidly blue or solidly red - in order to gain votes among blue-collar white votes in states that were only soft-blue.

    Trump’s weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Trump’s weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas,"

    Whites are a Minority in Texas. How the hell did Donald J. Trump win Texas if White Texans did not vote in a strong racial bloc for him?

    Donald J. Trump won a whopping 70 percent of the White Texan vote. That's way higher than the national average of Whites who voted for him.
    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article113723174.html

    If all Whites in America voted like White Texans, The Democratic Party would never win another presidential election again.

    So the problem is not White Texans, the problem is Whites from Non Southern states who don't vote Republican at a rate of 70 percent or higher.

  61. @anon
    Meanwhile, in Germany

    Maria Ladenburger, the daughter of a high-ranking EU official, was returning from a party in the university city of Freiburg in Germany when she was assaulted on a cycle path. She was raped and then drowned before her body was found in the River Dreisam.

    The suspect, an Afghan migrant, was caught after police found DNA on a scarf near the path.

    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Ms Ladenburger reportedly worked in her spare time helping out in refugee homes in Freiburg.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739620/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-EU-official-daughter-killed-by-refugee-Aghan

    Welp... as tough as it sounds, rapes and drownings of young girls is the price Progressive German's must pay for the greater good.

    Giving up your national sovereignty, autonomy, collective manhood, while deleting the character of a nation isn't a figurative walk in the park.

    It's more of a literal drowning of a young raped teen girl, in the lake of the park. In Germany.

    The German's can label me an old sentimentalist if they like!

    I will admit to feeling sad about that poor raped and drowned german teen, German-European social progress be damned!

    Well, I hope this won’t impact the young Afghan’s asylum request.

    /s

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    “Our diversity...is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."
    , @anon
    Wonder when I'll find paradise
    Somewhere there's a home, sweet and nice
    Wonder if I'll find happiness
    Never give it up now I guess

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3909922/A-12ft-high-Munich-Wall-built-protect-locals-German-city-camp-young-migrants-living-community.html
  62. @Mr. Anon
    Trump's victory came about by sacrificing middle to upper-middle class white votes where he could afford to lose them - states that are either solidly blue or solidly red - in order to gain votes among blue-collar white votes in states that were only soft-blue.

    I cannot tell you how may “professionals” who I know who told me they were “embarrassed” by Trump or could or would not really talk about him privately, let alone publicly. Part of this was the snob effect but deeper than that, most of them were afraid. The higher up the food chain people go, the more threatened they feel for their careers and public standing. It does not matter how much money you make, if you are afraid of your boss or clients, you are destined to wear a self imposed collar around your neck. It wasn’t just that they weren’t going to vote for Trump, they had to let everyone know that they looked down on him.

    This is one reason the false sexual harassment accusations almost worked. It was a fig leaf that gave a ready made excuse for not supporting him. Particularly Republicans and Blue Dogs that normally could not stomach the bitch. There was no positive reason to support Hillary but they had to give people a reason why they would vote for her. This won her a disproportionate share of the coward vote as well as various and sundry cucks.

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  63. @snorlax
    Trump's weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot.

    “Trump’s weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas,”

    Whites are a Minority in Texas. How the hell did Donald J. Trump win Texas if White Texans did not vote in a strong racial bloc for him?

    Donald J. Trump won a whopping 70 percent of the White Texan vote. That’s way higher than the national average of Whites who voted for him.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article113723174.html

    If all Whites in America voted like White Texans, The Democratic Party would never win another presidential election again.

    So the problem is not White Texans, the problem is Whites from Non Southern states who don’t vote Republican at a rate of 70 percent or higher.

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    The key phrase is "relative to Romney." Republicans always do very well among white Texans, Trump underperformed, particularly in upper-middle-class suburbs.
  64. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    I agree with this. It crystallized for me with the Trayvon-Zimmerman business. It was so awful that the TV news used a photo of an 11 year old Trayvon even one time but they ran those photos every day. All the elite blacks on TV being so hateful and the elite whites on TV just going along with it. When was someone going to ask “Was Zimmerman supposed to let Trayvon kill him or turn him into a vegetable?” And Obama’s “If I had a son” comment and his wife appearing with Trayvon’s mother —- these people have no regard for constitutional rights.

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  65. Both Trump winning the rust belt working class vote and Hillary losing the rust belt are true – these are not mutually exclusive. Hillary lost Michigan by less than 20,000 votes. Lower turnout in Detroit cost her the election. At the same time, it was so close in the first place because Trump got more working class white votes. So both phenomena were necessary for Trump to win.

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  66. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Hillary was (1) an open borders immigration advocate, (2) anti-gun, and the NRA does politics very, very well, (3) anti-Christian, (see Jen Palm Oil's savaging of Catholics, and the general Democrat-Party antipathy to Evangelicals), (4) on board for the whole Obama "those jobs are not coming back" schtick (35% tariff and they'll be back in a New York Minute), (5) ignorant of the wrong-track change voters that sense that Democrats reject the notion that the United States Government ought to put the interests of United States citizens first.

    With that baggage, and the woke status of much more of the electorate, she lost. But Trump exploited the openings Hill provided.

    “35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute”

    Most of those manufacturing jobs are not coming back, unless you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods. It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.

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    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning."
    Watch Trump prove you wrong. :)
    , @Hibernian
    Factories are already coming back, to be staffed with a lot of robots and a few people.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods.
     
    Well we CANNOT deprive every American from going to WalMart to get his or her supply of Chinese manufactured trinkets, beads and baubles, can we?

    It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.
     
    Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

     

    Okay, so what's your point?

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.
     
    Trump demonstrated that Obama was wrong.

    Do try to interact with facts already established and widely known. It makes the discussion here both much more efficient and effective.
  67. @Chrisnonymous
    She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she'd be putting forward Wall Street's cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

    Still haven’t leaned a thing about comparing Trump against Wundercandidates that exist only in your head I see.

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  68. @Almost Missouri
    Well, I hope this won't impact the young Afghan's asylum request.

    /s

    “Our diversity…is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot."

    Texas could have been a problem. The only reason Trump was potentially in trouble in Utah was because of Romney's stalking horse McMullin - an unforgiveable act of treason to the party that should scotch Romney's chances of getting appointed to be so much as a deputy post-master, let alone Secretary of State. And, of course, Massachusetts and the west coast were completely irrelevant to Trump. He could afford to alienate white Republican voters there in exchange for gaining white Democrat voters in the "Blue Wall" states.
    , @Almost Missouri
    If there were a "bitter LOL" button, I would use it here.

    I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on dereliction of duty such that Gen. Casey could still be prosecuted.
  69. Articles like this are great. The Left continues to refuse to learn anything from this defeat. 2018 is going to be a blood bath at this rate. By 2020 they’ll be insisting a Marilyn Mosby/ Keith Ellison ticket is the way to go.

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    2018 is going to be a blood bath at this rate.
     
    Quite possible in the Senate with 23 Democratic and 8 Republican (and 2 Independents voting D) seats up for election in 2018.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2018

    I find it interesting that the cycles are so unbalanced right now with near parity overall:
    2018 23D 8R 2I
    2020 11D 22R
    2022 12D 22R (assuming R wins in LA)

    This seems to be fairly normal recently. Was it common historically?
  70. @Kylie
    “Our diversity...is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."

    “The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot.”

    Texas could have been a problem. The only reason Trump was potentially in trouble in Utah was because of Romney’s stalking horse McMullin – an unforgiveable act of treason to the party that should scotch Romney’s chances of getting appointed to be so much as a deputy post-master, let alone Secretary of State. And, of course, Massachusetts and the west coast were completely irrelevant to Trump. He could afford to alienate white Republican voters there in exchange for gaining white Democrat voters in the “Blue Wall” states.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump's personality issues. And obviously it worked out, but losing those voters was still a largely-unnecessary own goal with some clear negative effects (popular vote, plus losing or underperforming in the states/districts of a significant chunk of the congressional GOP, so they don't feel they're obligated to support his agenda).
  71. @newrouter
    Donald Trump Criticizes China On Twitter (Liberal Heads Will Explode)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3501408/posts

    Confirms that the Taiwan opening bid was the first move to start the tariff war. If executed well, this might go well. But tough to handle the initial blow back from conservatives (that their “principles” are being gored), business lobby and even some Democrats for the increase in cost of goods. But the general inflation rate is low and if he can pull it off anytime, this is the best time when he still has the political capital during the honeymoon. If anyone can do it, Trump is the best since he can take cover under pragmatism over ideology. Sometimes, not having principles is good!

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    The idea that moving the factories back would be inflationary is BS. Apple has HUGE gross margins on their product - they could easily absorb the impact without raising prices if they wanted to. Carrier HAD to move its factory to Mexico because Wall Street but Wall Street was OK with their giving one guy (the departing CEO) a package worth $150 million, which is more than the total savings from moving to Mexico. When the factories were being moved over the border, I never once heard of a mfr who cut their prices when they moved - they just pocketed the savings as extra profit, but vice versa they say that they HAVE to raise time. BS.
  72. @FKA Max
    It is actually quite complicated to understand the dynamics of this election, in my opinion.

    Lots of luck was involved, for sure.

    I think the best and simplest way to put it, is this way:

    Any other Democrat except Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

    Any other Republican except Donald Trump would have lost to Hillary Clinton.

    This is how I see it...

    Feels Good Man!


    I don’t think these ”Never Trump” protest voters will vote for Hillary, and many of them might not even stay home, but in the end grudgingly decide [to] vote for Trump to prevent a Madam President. I am not so sure the same can be said about Bernie Sanders supporters, whose ”Never Hillary” declarations I take far more seriously, and find more genuine and justified than ”Never Trump”ers’ huffing and puffing
     
    – http://www.unz.com/article/war-steve-bannon-breitbart-ben-shapiro-and-what-comes-next/#comment-1543266

    Any Democrat but Hillary Clinton could have beaten Donald Trump in the general election.

    Linclon Chafee could have beaten Trump in the general election, but the MSM decided to belittle and denigrate honorable candidates like him. They so deserve this:

    At what point would Lincoln Chafee drop out?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SExMtNDS5hk

    To be fair, and to give credit where credit is due… Angela Merkel, Colin Kaepernick et al. are some of the unsung heroes of this election cycle, without whose contributions and activism Donald Trump could have never been elected President of the United States of America.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-trump-carry-florida/#comment-1644296

    Yeah yeah yeah. Trump just happened to put away the two leading political dynasties in his first serious national run but “anyone could have beaten him other than Hillary”.

    Do you listen to yourself and what you say and how silly you sound?

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    But they were still crap on their own terms as general election candidates. Could Jeb! have beaten Rubio, Cruz, or Kasich? Would Hillary have won the nomination had she not spent who knows how many years building alliances and trading favors within the party? Howard Dean privately said she was a poor candidate.
  73. @Steve Sailer
    Sorry, I wasn't clear: the black gym coach who promised his mom and her church lady friends to vote for Hillary but never quite got around to it, was my invention not the Slate authors'.

    I was riffing based on an NYT article from after the election when they went into a black barbershop in Milwaukee and found nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn't voted for Hillary.

    “nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn’t voted for Hillary.”

    And that’s why there’s a recount going on in WI; MI; and PA.

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  74. @snorlax
    Anthony Kennedy wants to be replaced by a Republican. Otherwise, he would've retired under Obama.

    Anthony Kennedy wants to be replaced by a Republican. Otherwise, he would’ve retired under Obama.

    True.

    I didn’t say Hillary’s strategy was going to work. But, it is the only strategy available, and the Clinton’s aren’t the kind of people who “go quietly into the night.”

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    @Almost Missouri
    Well, I hope this won't impact the young Afghan's asylum request.

    /s

    Wonder when I’ll find paradise
    Somewhere there’s a home, sweet and nice
    Wonder if I’ll find happiness
    Never give it up now I guess

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3909922/A-12ft-high-Munich-Wall-built-protect-locals-German-city-camp-young-migrants-living-community.html

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  76. @JohnnyD
    A little OT: Konstantin Kilibarda sounds look a pretty cool name.

    Kilibardas belong to tough Montenegrin clan of so-called “White Montengrians”- which is a Pro-Serbian oriented faction – while “Green Montenegrians” are proponents of Montenegro as an independent country.

    Spirit-cooking Marina’s communist father was a “White Montenegrian”and the Supreme Commander of Tito’s preatorians.

    http://www.montenet.org/history/podgskup.htm

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  77. @SPMoore8
    Speaking of Hillary's defeat, I wish someone would obtain the "Madam President" issue of Newsweek that was sent out on Election Night. Not only is it a curio of the "Dewey Defeats Truman" type but the text is supposed to be very amusing, especially in retrospect. I have seen online auctions asking for $10,000 for this issue ......

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2016/12/03/newsweek-slavishly-devoted-madam-president-issue-was-outsourced-and

    I subscribe to the Criterion Collection’s monthly newsletter (Criterion back in the day was famous for making legendary masterpieces of world cinema easily available on laserdisc and then DVD like SEVENTH SEAL, 8 1/2, etc.; as the true masterpieces ran out they’ve resorted to lending their prestige imprimatur to film school losers like Wes Anderson, Lena Dunham- yes, she made a feature film once- and a bunch of other much lesser-known lights. Oh yeah, and also Michael Bay.). Anyway, as you can probably tell they have a very SJW/SWPL vibe going, even though they are not expressly political. And on this month’s newsletter was a THE NEW YORKER-style doodle of a magazine with Hilary’s smirking mug on the cover, which no one bothered to redact before the newsletter went out.

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  78. @Svigor
    Jerry-rigged. Jury rigging is something else entirely. :)

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she’d vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.
     
    Schumer's in Ellison's corner, too. ADL, on the other hand, just reversed to opposing him, now that the audio has surfaced, of him telling an audience that the Israel lobby controls American foreign policy. I wouldn't bank on Saban and Schumer staying on-side.

    [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]
     
    45% for the guy who said "Islam Raus!" is pretty far from full retard. And again, it's a ceremonial position, anyway. Victory wouldn't have been much of a victory, and the loss isn't much of a loss.

    Any other Democrat except Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

    Any other Republican except Donald Trump would have lost to Hillary Clinton.
     
    That's actually an interesting take.

    “Jerry-rigged. Jury rigging is something else entirely.”

    I used to think that, but when I looked it up, it looked like “jury rigging” is the original for improvising a technical solution and “jerry rigging” is the neologism.

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    • Replies: @anon
    "Jerry-rigged" came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They'd come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren't necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American's would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they'd realize they couldn't easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, "it's a piece of shit that shouldn't work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don't plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far."

    "Jury-rigged" means just what it says, and it ain't the same thing.
  79. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    Holy, Holy., Holy….I am so upset. Whiskey, I disagree. I don’t think people are, are as stupid as they think they are everywhere, today, walking down the street. I hate communism(doesn’t work) so, forget that SF stuff. Ok, Ok, I think mostly, people are perhaps, as smart as we are….but most are offed.

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  80. @The Practical Conservative
    Sure, an imaginary candidate that couldn't exist in the world we reside in would be more competitive.

    No, what would have actually made Trump more competitive is the (#$#(%(# R party not lining up to shoot him in the back repeatedly, including a ton of "principled" 3rd party voting that cost him dozens of electoral votes.

    No, what would have actually made Trump more competitive is the (#$#(%(# R party not lining up to shoot him in the back repeatedly, including a ton of “principled” 3rd party voting that cost him dozens of electoral votes.

    Besides the hypothetical 3 million illegals who swung the popular vote to Hillary (not saying Trump might not be right, but I’d not bet on this at even odds if it could be proven by an honest investigator either way) there were the 50,000 felons Mcauliffe pardoned in VA just so they could vote for Her Highness this year, and the 600,000 Mormons who went for Deep State Cuck out in Utah thanks to Romney’s feud with Trump. Jill Stein got 1 million more votes than is usual for the Green Party this election, but Gary Johnson got a whopping 4 million! more than usual, thanks to media collusion, GOPe disloyalty, etc. So Trump would have won the popular vote too if NEVERTRUMP chaos had not interceded, and they should be easily rewinnable assuming he does a reasonably competent job for the next 4 years. Interesting also how the media pushed Johnson early to siphon Trump votes, then sprang the What-is-Aleppo? gaffe on him the exact day after polls came out showing a tied race and panic ensued Johnson could be hurting Hillary a bit more than Trump.

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  81. @Jefferson
    "As a self initiated Amish, White supremacist.

    The fact that you use the internet means you are not Amish. Also there is no such thing as an Amish White supremacist. They only see other fellow Amish people as their tribe. The Amish have not adopted a pan-White identity where they see a Louisiana Cajun for example as part of their tribe. They only care about their small little communities.

    He or she said “self initiated Amish.”

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    • Replies: @Cletus Rothschild
    Uh-oh: my cultural appropriation alarm bells are ringing.
    , @JohnnyGeo
    is that like your undocumented Harvard grad?
  82. @Jefferson
    "As a self initiated Amish, White supremacist.

    The fact that you use the internet means you are not Amish. Also there is no such thing as an Amish White supremacist. They only see other fellow Amish people as their tribe. The Amish have not adopted a pan-White identity where they see a Louisiana Cajun for example as part of their tribe. They only care about their small little communities.

    He or she said “self initiated Amish.”

    I presume that means you don’t have to work in the fields and can drive an F-150.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, well, who among us hasn't wondered what it'd be like to be hitched to some farm girl, pop out a few kids, and have all of life's practical and theoretical questions answered by unshakeable tradition?

    Perhaps the Amish could be convinced to license their unsullied name to diesel-powered alt-right breeding colonies.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    He or she said “self initiated Amish.”
     
    I'm gonna nominate that for the Dumbest Term of the Week on the Internet award.

    First prize is a framed, wall-size poster of Lena Dunham taking the One-Finger Selfie Challenge. Second prize is a bound volume of The Collected Comments of Whiskey.

    Last prize is the two reversed.
  83. @anon
    Meanwhile, in Germany

    Maria Ladenburger, the daughter of a high-ranking EU official, was returning from a party in the university city of Freiburg in Germany when she was assaulted on a cycle path. She was raped and then drowned before her body was found in the River Dreisam.

    The suspect, an Afghan migrant, was caught after police found DNA on a scarf near the path.

    Following his arrest the suspect, aged 17, pleaded guilty to the attack and will be sentenced next year.

    Ms Ladenburger reportedly worked in her spare time helping out in refugee homes in Freiburg.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739620/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-EU-official-daughter-killed-by-refugee-Aghan

    Welp... as tough as it sounds, rapes and drownings of young girls is the price Progressive German's must pay for the greater good.

    Giving up your national sovereignty, autonomy, collective manhood, while deleting the character of a nation isn't a figurative walk in the park.

    It's more of a literal drowning of a young raped teen girl, in the lake of the park. In Germany.

    The German's can label me an old sentimentalist if they like!

    I will admit to feeling sad about that poor raped and drowned german teen, German-European social progress be damned!

    Well at least she died making a refugee’s day just that little bit more pleasant

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  84. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    This election - if one bothers to think seriously about it - was revolutionary. The entire establishment was in the tank for Clinton and against Trump, even a large part of his own stoopid party's establishment. The MSM inundated the electorate with negative reporting on Trump and positive on Clinton. Trump was outspent by between five-to-one and ten-to-one. Trump's campaign team was jury-rigged, staffed even at the highest levels by many persons with little experience in running a political campaign, and had zero campaign staff in place at the precinct level when the campaign began. The Clinton campaign was a well-oiled machine, in continuous existence for nearly three decades, staffed by the best professionals money can buy, and tightly organized with staff in place down to the precinct level even before the primary campaign.

    Yet Trump won. There are three reasons: (1) Trump's message against "invade the world/invite the world/in debt to the world" policies resonated with a large majority of the electorate. (2) Clinton's history of corruption, epic failures, and dangerous belligerence turned off many voters and potential voters. (3) Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust; playing favorites and keeping obvious incompetents in place or even promoting them; and refusing to alter her ideas and theories even when events prove them disastrously wrong. Before this Slick Willy occasionally stepped in to save her, e.g., restoring her failing senatorial campaign in the nick of time. But this time his magic was gone. The crash and burn of Clinton's campaign suggests what a disaster her presidency would have been.

    I suspect that if the MSM had covered this campaign in an unbiased manner and addressed the issues that both candidates raised, Trump would have won in a landslide. But to do this then or even do an honest post-election analysis of what happened would probably bring down the establishment. It will be decades or more, if ever, before we see a reasonable empirical analysis of this election.

    The moral of the story is never go full Orwell unless you have the coercion bit down, too.

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  85. @oddsbodkins
    "35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute"

    Most of those manufacturing jobs are not coming back, unless you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods. It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.

    “Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.”
    Watch Trump prove you wrong. :)

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  86. @Mr. Anon
    "And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban."

    That's because he doesn't think that blacks have enough agency or ability to be any kind of ral threat. I don't imagine he is alone in that among jewish donors.

    Nah, Whiskey meant “Down with” not “down on”. I.e. Saban will abandon Democrat Party because he fears/hates Ellison.

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  87. @Desiderius

    But this time his magic was gone.
     
    Trump's most underrated accomplishment. No other R had the balls to do what needed done.

    Did Trump learn anything from Bill Clinton on the golf course? Trump has consistently been several steps ahead of everybody else. Presumably, he has his own intelligence network of confidential sources & informers. The man has been proven right so consistently that it has to be more than just incredibly good luck or fantastic instincts.

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    • Replies: @CK
    You all talk about this election as though Trump were a politician running for an office, and you measure him by politician standards.
    Imagine instead that Trump is a builder of things. He wants to build a presidency. How do you build a presidency, the rules say " Win the most Electoral Votes." How do you win the most electoral votes, win the nomination of your party first, and how do you do that, you defeat the other candidates. So to build the presidency you don't need a lot of policies and wonkiness ... you can hire that but you do need a team that can outbuild the competition.
    Corey Lewandosky and team beat the opposition like red headed step children under the overall guidance of the builder. Unorthodox campaigning, no ground game, no big ad budget, but a lot of honesty and a bit of showmanship.
    Now comes the convention, and Paul Manafort is installed to make sure that the Republican establishment and ownership do not do to the successful Trump what they had done to the unsuccessful Ron Paul the previous two conventions. The Republican convention is the epitome of a genteel and polished operation including allowing Ted Cruz to shoot himself in both feet on live TV and allowing Trump to show his noblesse oblige.
    Now all that was necessary was to allow Hillary to beat herself. She did.
    Meanwhile his election team ran a smooth professional and error free campaign.
    His election team Conway andBannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags, and the horrendousness of Mrs. Clinton.
    So the first three steps in building his presidency are complete and successful.
    Now he has a new team helping him staff the edifice that he will move into next month.
    I suspect that the only thing in the whole campaign that was not preplanned and prepared for was the fat Alicia Machado being used to attack him. And that was the best the dems could come up with; that was their October surprise. Fell about as flat as an empty piñata.
    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team's job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.
    I watched 60 minutes last night the interview with Ryan. It was obvious that Ryan understands that Trump can do without him and the congress if he wishes; Obama and Bush and Bill Clinton showed just how to do that; and Trump is a very fast learner.
  88. @Mr. Anon
    "The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas, Utah, Massachusetts, Pacific Northwest) were also amongst the strongest areas for Ross Perot."

    Texas could have been a problem. The only reason Trump was potentially in trouble in Utah was because of Romney's stalking horse McMullin - an unforgiveable act of treason to the party that should scotch Romney's chances of getting appointed to be so much as a deputy post-master, let alone Secretary of State. And, of course, Massachusetts and the west coast were completely irrelevant to Trump. He could afford to alienate white Republican voters there in exchange for gaining white Democrat voters in the "Blue Wall" states.

    Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump’s personality issues. And obviously it worked out, but losing those voters was still a largely-unnecessary own goal with some clear negative effects (popular vote, plus losing or underperforming in the states/districts of a significant chunk of the congressional GOP, so they don’t feel they’re obligated to support his agenda).

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So what's it going to take to bring them back into the fold, and can it be done without losing the WWC?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump’s personality issues."

    McMullin got traction among two groups: Belt-way insiders and Mormons. And, in the case of the Mormons, it was only because they were unaware of his family's non-traditional lifestyle.

    And, by the way, there needs to be no future in the GOP whatsoever for Evan McMullin.
  89. @Jefferson
    "Trump’s weakness amongst white-collar whites was a bit of a needless sacrifice, based largely on his personality issues more than substance. The areas where Trump did the worst among whites relative to Romney (Texas,"

    Whites are a Minority in Texas. How the hell did Donald J. Trump win Texas if White Texans did not vote in a strong racial bloc for him?

    Donald J. Trump won a whopping 70 percent of the White Texan vote. That's way higher than the national average of Whites who voted for him.
    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article113723174.html

    If all Whites in America voted like White Texans, The Democratic Party would never win another presidential election again.

    So the problem is not White Texans, the problem is Whites from Non Southern states who don't vote Republican at a rate of 70 percent or higher.

    The key phrase is “relative to Romney.” Republicans always do very well among white Texans, Trump underperformed, particularly in upper-middle-class suburbs.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The key phrase is “relative to Romney.” Republicans always do very well among white Texans, Trump underperformed, particularly in upper-middle-class suburbs."

    Donald J. Trump didn't underperform with White Texans. Winning 70 percent of their vote is not underperforming. The percentage of White Texans who voted for Donald J. Trump is similar to the percentage of Jews who voted for Crooked Hildabeast.
  90. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack Hanson
    Yeah yeah yeah. Trump just happened to put away the two leading political dynasties in his first serious national run but "anyone could have beaten him other than Hillary".

    Do you listen to yourself and what you say and how silly you sound?

    But they were still crap on their own terms as general election candidates. Could Jeb! have beaten Rubio, Cruz, or Kasich? Would Hillary have won the nomination had she not spent who knows how many years building alliances and trading favors within the party? Howard Dean privately said she was a poor candidate.

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  91. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    He or she said "self initiated Amish."

    I presume that means you don't have to work in the fields and can drive an F-150.

    Yes, well, who among us hasn’t wondered what it’d be like to be hitched to some farm girl, pop out a few kids, and have all of life’s practical and theoretical questions answered by unshakeable tradition?

    Perhaps the Amish could be convinced to license their unsullied name to diesel-powered alt-right breeding colonies.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    This only works in fantasy because in your fantasy you get to pick and choose what aspects of Amish life you would like to keep, but in reality it's the whole package including membership in an incredibly restrictive religious cult that you have to adhere to 24/7 or be shunned by your community. I suspect most of us would last around a week before we went nuts or told some busybody neighbor where to go.

    PS, when it comes to the looks of Amish girls, they don't call them "plain people" for nothing.
    , @melendwyr
    A few kids? The Amish are averaging eight per household.
    , @Olorin
    Hate to harsh your mellow, but IME among Amish (and Mennonite) farmers, the kids lead brutal lives.

    So do the women.

    The animals--makes me sick to even think about.

    I have no idea where this romantic notion of those people comes from.

    If this were a pub instead of Sailer's Salon, I'd tell the Loading The Organic Soil Amendments story over the blackest, bitterest beer we could scrounge. And some others too.

    Then I'd go out back and cut a bunch of firewood. Cussing the whole time.

    It's not a pub, and anyway I left the onion off my belt this morning.

    "Unsullied name" my left a$$.

  92. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @snorlax
    Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump's personality issues. And obviously it worked out, but losing those voters was still a largely-unnecessary own goal with some clear negative effects (popular vote, plus losing or underperforming in the states/districts of a significant chunk of the congressional GOP, so they don't feel they're obligated to support his agenda).

    So what’s it going to take to bring them back into the fold, and can it be done without losing the WWC?

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    It takes Trump having a successful presidency, and, his successor having a more "Reaganesque" personality, in the sense that Reagan's personal morals were unimpeachable, and he knew how to pick and win his fights without being suckered into a trap or seeming angry. (I'm not one of those TrueCon Reagan cultists, I'm just naming him because he's the most successful rightist politician in semi-recent memory).

    The good thing is I expect both those things to happen, and that they'll raise the numbers with everyone, not just the white upper-middle class.

    I don't think Trump's own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he's at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.
  93. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I was winning the fight. It’s just that I made one mistake.

    What happened was, I kept punching you in the fist with my face. By the time I noticed it wasn’t working, I could no longer see. Bottom line is, I did it to myself. You didn’t do anything, so it’s no use for you to gloat. Because it was me who did it to myself.

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  94. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    It is in our (pro-Trump) interests for the Democratic Party to get its crap together and present true opposition. Because Trump needs to know if he screws the working class and goes Bush-lite then in the 2018 mid-terms the Democrats might regain control of Congress and the impeachment hearings will start in January 2019!

    The Democrats have managed to keep blacks both poor and faithful to them for more than 50 years now, by scaring them with the GOP boogeyman. Working class whites are not going to be so easy to contain if Trump doesn’t deliver. So far I am happy with what I see but Trump needs constant supervision and pressure from economic nationalists and American First foreign policy experts.

    As it is the Jews must be really nervous as they are going from near total control of both parties to the very real possibility of getting booted from both. Trump is outwardly pro-Israel but in a limited way compared to his NeoCon predecessors. Half of Hillary’s donors were Jewish and so it will be real interesting to see if they keep donating if Keith Ellison does take control of the party.

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    As it is the Jews must be really nervous as they are going from near total control of both parties to the very real possibility of getting booted from both. Trump is outwardly pro-Israel but in a limited way compared to his NeoCon predecessors. Half of Hillary’s donors were Jewish and so it will be real interesting to see if they keep donating if Keith Ellison does take control of the party.
     
    On top of that, the main stream media which has always been their most powerful asset, came up short against the "fake news" internet media. That was not a fluke. The ability of the MSM to influence politics and the culture will continue to erode and even if they can do an internet style coup by using google-facebook-twitter to censor the right alternatives will be developed to go around them further diluting their influence. The monopoly is ending. Demographically, they are already cooked.

    Fifty years from now, we might look back at 2016 as the high water mark of Jewish influence in America much the same way 1945 - 1960 was for WASPs. Nothing lasts forever.
  95. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell … she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible ‘reasons’ …. its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.

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    • Replies: @anon

    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell … she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible ‘reasons’ …. its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.
     
    Just from my salesman's eye, I noticed Trump going into Terminator Mode via his unrelenting public appearances. I remember thinking, "if Hillary doesn't get off her fat ass and start doing 3 shows a day, Trump's gonna hand her fat ass to her." And he did. He just out-worked her. He worked smarter, and a lot harder.

    In America, that shit still happens to work.

    I think that's why millenials are still flummoxed over the Trump win. They think the outcome of hard work is some kind of weird magic they can't understand. And they're unfortunately right.

  96. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    "Jerry-rigged. Jury rigging is something else entirely."

    I used to think that, but when I looked it up, it looked like "jury rigging" is the original for improvising a technical solution and "jerry rigging" is the neologism.

    “Jerry-rigged” came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They’d come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren’t necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American’s would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they’d realize they couldn’t easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, “it’s a piece of shit that shouldn’t work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don’t plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far.”

    “Jury-rigged” means just what it says, and it ain’t the same thing.

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    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @psmith

    On square-rigged sailing ships, a jury rig is a replacement mast and yards (a yard is a spar to which a sail is attached) improvised in case of damage or loss of the original mast.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_rigging
    , @Heinie Fassbinder
    That's not it either. Jerry-rigging is a term for rigging sails on a ship. Not inspired by "Jerries" or at least, not originally.
    , @JohnnyGeo
    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two - your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. "Jury tampering" or "rigging the jury" are more common phrases than "jury-rigged"
    , @John Mansfield
    From Joseph Conrad's A Personal Record, published in 1912:

    When I presented my self to be examined for master the examiner who received me was short, plump, with a round, soft face in gray, fluffy whiskers, and fresh, loquacious lips.

    He commenced operations with an easy going “Let’s see. H’m. Suppose you tell me all you know of charter-parties.” He kept it up in that style all through, wandering off in the shape of comment into bits out of his own life, then pulling himself up short and returning to the business in hand. It was very interesting. “What’s your idea of a jury-rudder now?” he queried, suddenly, at the end of an instructive anecdote bearing upon a point of stowage.

    I warned him that I had no experience of a lost rudder at sea, and gave him two classical examples of makeshifts out of a text-book. In exchange he described to me a jury-rudder he had invented himself years before, when in command of a three-thousand-ton steamer. It was, I declare, the cleverest contrivance imaginable. “May be of use to you some day,” he concluded. “You will go into steam presently. Everybody goes into steam.”

    There he was wrong. I never went into steam—not really. If I only live long enough I shall become a bizarre relic of a dead barbarism, a sort of monstrous antiquity, the only seaman of the dark ages who had never gone into steam—not really.
  97. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell ... she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible 'reasons' .... its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.

    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell … she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible ‘reasons’ …. its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.

    Just from my salesman’s eye, I noticed Trump going into Terminator Mode via his unrelenting public appearances. I remember thinking, “if Hillary doesn’t get off her fat ass and start doing 3 shows a day, Trump’s gonna hand her fat ass to her.” And he did. He just out-worked her. He worked smarter, and a lot harder.

    In America, that shit still happens to work.

    I think that’s why millenials are still flummoxed over the Trump win. They think the outcome of hard work is some kind of weird magic they can’t understand. And they’re unfortunately right.

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    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    Excellent. Trump's "I will work hard for you" strategy paid off, and will continue to. Witness the enthusiastic overwhelmingly White crowd at the thank you rally in Ohio on TV after the Carrier deal. As Tucker Carlson put it, Trump won over Rust Belt Whites because he demonstrated that he doesn't hate them. What a refreshing change.
    , @Forbes
    Shorter version: Trump campaigned for the presidency. He campaigned in states that mattered. He campaigned where Reps were competitive and votes were up for grabs. He campaigned non-stop.

    Hillary? Her campaign events were private, exclusive, expensive fund-raisers that the NYT and WaPo breathlessly narrated. Hillary didn't campaign for votes, she campaigned for money.
  98. @Anonymous
    So what's it going to take to bring them back into the fold, and can it be done without losing the WWC?

    It takes Trump having a successful presidency, and, his successor having a more “Reaganesque” personality, in the sense that Reagan’s personal morals were unimpeachable, and he knew how to pick and win his fights without being suckered into a trap or seeming angry. (I’m not one of those TrueCon Reagan cultists, I’m just naming him because he’s the most successful rightist politician in semi-recent memory).

    The good thing is I expect both those things to happen, and that they’ll raise the numbers with everyone, not just the white upper-middle class.

    I don’t think Trump’s own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he’s at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    I don’t think Trump’s own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he’s at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    If there is one thing Trump needs to exercise extreme vetting on, it's the women who would offer up a presidential blowjob. They need to be ideologically pure conservatives. If I was a Democrat dirty tricks specialist, smuggling a Lewinsky into the white house would be job number 1.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Pence has a sort of Reaganesque affect, including a professional broadcaster's voice.
    , @Pericles
    And by "sex scandal" we neither mean JFK banging a dozen secretaries and spies while in office, nor the infamous Clinton Oval Office blow job extravaganza (nor his sundry rapes, they were white trash so it doesn't count), but unacceptable, inhuman locker room talk? (NB. Locker room talk like Lyndon B Johnson is obviously exempt.)
  99. Steve,

    As for “voter suppression”, I observe that the media concoct more and more such terms which systematically cover morally harmless and morally reprehensible behaviour – and this way the media are suppressing people’s ability to make relevant moral distinctions.

    I first found this out with the term “abuse”. Here in Germany, a Catholic bishop was attacked for the “abuse” of children. What was evident (and of course admitted)? – The fact that the bishop had smacked some children on the ear, decades ago, when this was completely legal and seen as normal by teachers or other authorities. On the other hand, the comfortable term “abuse” covered dark allusions that the bishop had sexually abused boys – an accusation which was never documented by evidence and , after the bishop resigned, was silently laid aside by the media.

    I suppose that one can find even more terms which have systematically developed in a way that they cover harmless and reprensible activities. (The mother of all these terms may or may not be “antisemitism”.) Some time we will have to find a category under which to collect those terms.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Another such term is "sexual assault" - in modern parlance this covers everything from stranger rape to second thoughts that arise days or months later .
  100. @Dieter Kief
    This link below shows an article in the Swiss weekly "das magazin". The story is about Michal Kosinski, a researcher from Stanford and about Alexander Nix from Cambridge Analytic, who worked with/for Steve Bannon.
    The article is about a small group of scientists and businessmen, who work on the question, how you do reach the very people you want to communicate with via the internet - and how you can find out, who and where exactly they are. The article shows too, how this knowledge made it's way to the Trump-camp (and Steve Bannon) - brush up your German ...it's an interesting read.
    https://www.dasmagazin.ch/2016/12/03/ich-habe-nur-gezeigt-dass-es-die-bombe-gibt

    I like the fact that Brad Parscale, Trump’s Digital Director, started working for Trump by building a real estate website for him. Trump must have seen something he liked. Let’s hope he continues to find good people.

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  101. I don’t know what happened in the upper Midwest, but I can tell you in Pennsylvania it was a combination of 1) longtime Dems (the sort whose parents/grandparents thought the Holy Trinity was the Father, the Son, and FDR) finally getting turned off by the War on Coal (and, to a lesser extent all the BLM-type crap) and 2) those who didn’t want Clinton and couldn’t quite bring themselves to support Trump who either stayed home or voted Johnson.

    With a good track record in his first term, the GOP not actively trying to stab him, and (let’s be frank, the man’s 70-ish) not dying, I think he has a chance to have a more definitive win in a 2020 re-election bid.

    Also, policies that promote a general prosperity, as opposed to pandering to the Al Sharptons and the LaRaza/Univisions of the country, would mean holding the amount of NAM support Trump got, if not actually expanding it. Blacks who take “the content of their character” to heart, and the sort of “Latins” who self-identify as white (a/k/a unhyphenated American) would flock to Trump in enough numbers to re-elect him handily.

    Question for further thought (somewhat OT): Without the 1965 Immigration Act, would employers having to “cast down their buckets where they were” have prevented the Great Society from neutron-bombing Black America?

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    Blacks who take “the content of their character” to heart,
     
    These blacks exist mostly in fantasy. Blacks are deeply invested in the Democrat Party (and vice versa) and it is going to take more than 1 term to break that bond. Look at the coal country whites that you mention - the Democrat Party practically had to spit in their face before they were willing to break with them.
  102. @anony-mouse
    Maybe we'll find out in four years time.

    Maybe we’ll find out in four years time.

    I think 8. Trump will be running on his record in 4 years time, plus his campaigning skill. No Republican will risk humiliation and career suicide in the primary, Trump will be running unopposed, or may as well be should Kristol advance further along the senility curve.

    Trump understands economies. A country of the size and demographics of the US that does well needs to be doing something other than selling each other goods made in other countries (the barista economy). Primary industry, manufacturing, building infrastructure. And it is key that when building the infrastructure, long-term needs are provided for. It should be low maintenance, reliable, lasting, and useful – better to pay a little more to get something good that employs Americans, but not too much. Most career politicians, unless naturally born with a business brain or something similar, are never going to compete with someone like Trump.

    If anyone thinks 2016 was a landslide, wait until 2020. It’s going to look like Reagan 1984 or Eisenhower 1956, or Nixon 1972. Maybe not that high because the Uniparty has demographically raped white America over the last generation, but it will relative to the modern Republican realm of possibility. A bit better if Trump can aggressively deport or repatriate with justification.

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    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    2020 will be the real test of the Sailer Strategy if we get immigration reduction and deportations. Someone needs to crunch the numbers on which states will be easiest to carry.

    Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Possible in "Morning in America" Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.
  103. @Dave Pinsen
    When did "about" get replaced by "around" - and why?

    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

    Language changes so much in the current year that it’s literally 1984.

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    An increasing number of people seem to think that all prepositions are interchangeable.
  104. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @benjaminl
    OT

    Meanwhile, in Australia...

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/the-dingoes-claim-to-be-growing-part-of-australian-alternativeright-political-scene/news-story/d6ae348e0e1c6a3189dac86914d538d3

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/the-dingoes-claim-to-be-growing-part-of-australian-alternativeright-political-scene/news-story/d6ae348e0e1c6a3189dac86914d538d3

    Holy crap. That’s probably the fairest article I’ve ever seen on news.com.au to white people and white identity politics. I didn’t think Rupert would allow this sort of thing.

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  105. @anon

    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell … she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible ‘reasons’ …. its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.
     
    Just from my salesman's eye, I noticed Trump going into Terminator Mode via his unrelenting public appearances. I remember thinking, "if Hillary doesn't get off her fat ass and start doing 3 shows a day, Trump's gonna hand her fat ass to her." And he did. He just out-worked her. He worked smarter, and a lot harder.

    In America, that shit still happens to work.

    I think that's why millenials are still flummoxed over the Trump win. They think the outcome of hard work is some kind of weird magic they can't understand. And they're unfortunately right.

    Excellent. Trump’s “I will work hard for you” strategy paid off, and will continue to. Witness the enthusiastic overwhelmingly White crowd at the thank you rally in Ohio on TV after the Carrier deal. As Tucker Carlson put it, Trump won over Rust Belt Whites because he demonstrated that he doesn’t hate them. What a refreshing change.

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  106. @snorlax
    It takes Trump having a successful presidency, and, his successor having a more "Reaganesque" personality, in the sense that Reagan's personal morals were unimpeachable, and he knew how to pick and win his fights without being suckered into a trap or seeming angry. (I'm not one of those TrueCon Reagan cultists, I'm just naming him because he's the most successful rightist politician in semi-recent memory).

    The good thing is I expect both those things to happen, and that they'll raise the numbers with everyone, not just the white upper-middle class.

    I don't think Trump's own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he's at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    I don’t think Trump’s own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he’s at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    If there is one thing Trump needs to exercise extreme vetting on, it’s the women who would offer up a presidential blowjob. They need to be ideologically pure conservatives. If I was a Democrat dirty tricks specialist, smuggling a Lewinsky into the white house would be job number 1.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Pretty much every White House intern is a potential Lewinsky.
    , @Pericles
    If so, the Dems will need hotter interns. Trump is used to a certain standard after all, you know, runway models, playboy bunnies and such.
  107. @Anonym
    Maybe we’ll find out in four years time.

    I think 8. Trump will be running on his record in 4 years time, plus his campaigning skill. No Republican will risk humiliation and career suicide in the primary, Trump will be running unopposed, or may as well be should Kristol advance further along the senility curve.

    Trump understands economies. A country of the size and demographics of the US that does well needs to be doing something other than selling each other goods made in other countries (the barista economy). Primary industry, manufacturing, building infrastructure. And it is key that when building the infrastructure, long-term needs are provided for. It should be low maintenance, reliable, lasting, and useful - better to pay a little more to get something good that employs Americans, but not too much. Most career politicians, unless naturally born with a business brain or something similar, are never going to compete with someone like Trump.

    If anyone thinks 2016 was a landslide, wait until 2020. It's going to look like Reagan 1984 or Eisenhower 1956, or Nixon 1972. Maybe not that high because the Uniparty has demographically raped white America over the last generation, but it will relative to the modern Republican realm of possibility. A bit better if Trump can aggressively deport or repatriate with justification.

    2020 will be the real test of the Sailer Strategy if we get immigration reduction and deportations. Someone needs to crunch the numbers on which states will be easiest to carry.

    Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Possible in “Morning in America” Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

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    What about Texas? Will it turn blue?
    , @Andrew
    >Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Those three and Nevada are closest.

    >Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Nevada is actually trending GOP since 2008. Partisan lean went from D+2.6% --> D+1.4% --> D+0.3%.

    Colorado is in the middle of the road right where it has been for a long time.

    Virginia is trending Democrat, but actually voted majority GOP for Congress this year.

    New Mexico is still doable as well.

    >Possible in “Morning in America” Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    This group should also include NJ. The next tranche of RI, Maine CD 1, Washington and Illinois is more of a reach but possible.

    >Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

    Illinois doesn't belong in that group, New York and Maryland do.

    Margin in a tied race based on 2016 results:

    NH R+1.5%
    MN R+0.4%
    NV D+0.5%
    ME D+0.8%
    328 Electoral Votes

    CO D+3.0%
    VA D+3.5%
    NM D+6.3%
    355 Electoral Votes

    OR D+9.0%
    DE D+9.5%
    CT D+11.8%
    NJ D+12.0%
    ME cd1 D+12.6%
    RI D+13.6%
    WA D+14%
    IL D+15.1%
    423 Electoral Votes

    NY D+19.4%
    MD D+24.5%
    VT D+24.5%
    MA D+25.3%
    CA D+28.3%
    HI D+30.3%
    DC D+84.9%
  108. A couple of issues with the original story:

    1. They’re playing the same sort of semantic game that some sports teams do: “we beat ourselves”. It sounds admirably self-reflective, but it can be self-deluding because it doesn’t acknowledge what the other team did to win. It will be interesting if the Democrats follow this concept to its logical conclusion though, because they’re doubling down on the very things that lost them this election.

    2. I just don’t understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump’s message won OR, our tactics failed.

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    2. I just don’t understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump’s message won OR, our tactics failed.
     
    Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.

    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.

    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic.

    The lower the IQ, the less likely a person can function in an argument in which their opponent takes a contrary position. Lower IQ folks prefer contrary arguments, so much so that they will recast a contrary argument as a contradictory argument, creating your "false dichotomy."

    In story-telling, there is a protagonist and antagonist taking contradictory positions related to their goals to create conflict.

    In more "sophisticated" story-telling, you're more likely to see the contrary "anti-hero." The racist, woman-slapping Jake Gittes. The cynical "Rick," who sticks his neck out for nobody.

    In stories intended for lesser IQ's, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster. In "12 Years a Slave," instead of seeing a free black man initiating a "skin game" and having it blow up in his face, as historians have indicated was the case, you have a black man who is kidnapped against his will. The former would be the basis for a dark comedy, at best. The latter allows for a moral fable that a child could understand. The former would be more interesting, but the latter more easily understood by the teeming masses. A perfect meal for those with an average IQ of 90-95, which coincidentally, is around the mean IQ of the population of the United States.

    I believe it would be a mistake to consider most journalists to be intellectuals. A degree in journalism doesn't qualify one's ability to decipher reality consistently and correctly. A university certainly can't teach judgement, any more than it can teach you to have blue eyes. I believe judgement is mostly a genetic trait. As reporters become less journalists and more editorialists, our news gets dumber, making it easier for the dumb to "understand" and contribute.

    Because of this, you might say false dichotomies are the opium of the internets.

    There will always be a worldwide plethora of people dumb or cynical enough to create them, and readers dumb enough, or with enough of a political investment, to believe in them.

  109. @Dave Pinsen
    When did "about" get replaced by "around" - and why?

    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

    Between 1810 and 1850, according to this Google n-gram data:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=(about+the)+%2F+(www.unz.com6year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2C%28about%20the%29%20/%20%28around%20the%29%3B%2Cc0

    Why? I don’t know. “Around” seems like an Americanism to me, since British use “about” in some places where I would use “around”. Maybe it is only natural that “around” continues to replace “about” in different usage contexts.

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  110. @Kylie
    “Our diversity...is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."

    If there were a “bitter LOL” button, I would use it here.

    I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on dereliction of duty such that Gen. Casey could still be prosecuted.

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    Casey's comment's after the Hassan massacre were for me one of the earlier signs that the Obama regime was even worse than our worst fears. The four year delay in bringing Hassan to trial was another sign that it was "obama time" as far as ROP terror was concerned.
    FBI and other investigators are likely still "puzzled" as to Hassan's motive.

    Here's a CNN article from Nov 8 2009 three days after the murder with the headline: Casey: I'm 'concerned' about backlash against Muslim soldiers

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/08/casey-im-concerned-about-possible-backlash-against-muslim-soldiers/?fbid=N63XSrE7Gga

    the blood and gore had not yet been mopped but Casey is weeping over the non existent backlash.

    This man went full retard dhimmi cuckservative long before thought leaders had a chance to properly define the phenomenon

    A few years later Casey retired with all honors and benefits with Gates and Obama singing his praises as he left.
  111. @snorlax
    Well said.

    Trump and the GOP at large should take heed that their newfound strength among Midwestern WCWs is only the result of the Democrats taking the wrong lessons from their successful 2006-2008 quasi-centrist, guys-with-Confederate-flags-on-their-pickups, really-concerned-about-wars-deficits-earmarks, drop-gun-control platform, and their also-successful 2012 class-warfare, Occupy-Wall-Street, you-didn't-build-that platform.

    This caused them to start believing their own "blue wall" theory, become drunk with overconfidence and screw the pooch with their 2014-2016 hate-whitey, police-are-evil-racist-murderers platform.

    Is everyone here supposed to understand your acronym WCW?

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    Working-class white. I used it because the post I was replying to did.
  112. @countenance
    I said it myself for more than a year before the election: The black vote would help Trump not so much in the affirmative sense, (I thought his practical ceiling was 15%, and in reality, he got 8%), but from the blacks that stayed home. A black voter in a swing rust belt state that voted Obama in 2012 but stayed home in 2016 was in essence casting half a vote for Trump.

    Where Slate is wrong is that it was easy to see quite a few counties and many many precincts in the rust belt flipped or reddened. That can only be because of WCWs.

    What we have here in Slate is an attempt to retcon very recent history so that Republicans don't get the idea that WCWs can be made into a permanent loyal red team constituency.

    WCW? Until an acronym is fully alive (e.g. SWPL, SJW), can we not spell out to our fellow readers what the heck you are trying to say with your CAPITAL LETTERS. Think of the children.

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  113. @Almost Missouri
    If there were a "bitter LOL" button, I would use it here.

    I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on dereliction of duty such that Gen. Casey could still be prosecuted.

    Casey’s comment’s after the Hassan massacre were for me one of the earlier signs that the Obama regime was even worse than our worst fears. The four year delay in bringing Hassan to trial was another sign that it was “obama time” as far as ROP terror was concerned.
    FBI and other investigators are likely still “puzzled” as to Hassan’s motive.

    Here’s a CNN article from Nov 8 2009 three days after the murder with the headline: Casey: I’m ‘concerned’ about backlash against Muslim soldiers

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/08/casey-im-concerned-about-possible-backlash-against-muslim-soldiers/?fbid=N63XSrE7Gga

    the blood and gore had not yet been mopped but Casey is weeping over the non existent backlash.

    This man went full retard dhimmi cuckservative long before thought leaders had a chance to properly define the phenomenon

    A few years later Casey retired with all honors and benefits with Gates and Obama singing his praises as he left.

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  114. @Steve Sailer
    Sorry, I wasn't clear: the black gym coach who promised his mom and her church lady friends to vote for Hillary but never quite got around to it, was my invention not the Slate authors'.

    I was riffing based on an NYT article from after the election when they went into a black barbershop in Milwaukee and found nobody who had voted for Trump but several who hadn't voted for Hillary.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/open-thread-last-presidential-debate/#comment-1614615

    “He(Trump) might also dissuade some voters from voting for Hillary if he hammers her on her whoring herself out to the bankers for cash.” — Change The Composition Of The Electorate — Pick And Choose Your Battles. God Bless Trump, Sessions, Buchanan, Coulter, Brimelow and Sailer.

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  115. @Dave Pinsen
    When did "about" get replaced by "around" - and why?

    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

    Probaby comes from the fact that American English speakers include people with German family backgrounds that grew up hearing people speaking broken English. You will never see “has gotten” in a British publication because gotten is an adjective. You can check this by searching an online version of the King James Version of the Bible. Every instance of “gotten” is an adjective. But German has the -en ending on lots of verbs. So the German speaking English learner hears gotten as an adjective and generalizes it to the past participle as well. Then kids hear this growing up and repeat it. This would also hold for Yiddish speakers. In their case, they would repeat it in print in the NYTimes.

    Swell, but what about “around” ?

    Around is similar to “rund um” in German which is used as physical as well as for ideas.

    However, English also uses about as around such as, “He was walking about in the town” meaning wandering around or going for a walk.

    https://twitter.com/GoWalkingAbout

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  116. @snorlax
    Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump's personality issues. And obviously it worked out, but losing those voters was still a largely-unnecessary own goal with some clear negative effects (popular vote, plus losing or underperforming in the states/districts of a significant chunk of the congressional GOP, so they don't feel they're obligated to support his agenda).

    “Agreed about Romney, but, nevertheless, the only reason McMullin got so much traction is Trump’s personality issues.”

    McMullin got traction among two groups: Belt-way insiders and Mormons. And, in the case of the Mormons, it was only because they were unaware of his family’s non-traditional lifestyle.

    And, by the way, there needs to be no future in the GOP whatsoever for Evan McMullin.

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  117. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    The meaning of Whiskey’s note on Haim Saban pulling the plug —or not— as a bigly Demo donor is contingent on whether he actually wanted to say “down on” or “down with”; of which the latter would make way more sense in context. And that would also render Anon’s comment on weak “black agency” inapposite.

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  118. “target him with ads on Facebook that sap his enthusiasm for voting for Hillary.”

    I don’t buy the clean internet ad buy explanation. Being as I know nothing of such matters and that braggarts often lie, I still have to take Ed Rollins at his word:

    Search on “ed rollins voter suppression” for articles like:
    Suppress the Vote!

    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/suppress-the-vote/?_r=0

    Rollins claimed to TIME magazine that he secretly paid black ministers and Democratic campaign workers in order to suppress voter turnout.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rollins

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  119. @anon
    "Jerry-rigged" came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They'd come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren't necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American's would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they'd realize they couldn't easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, "it's a piece of shit that shouldn't work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don't plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far."

    "Jury-rigged" means just what it says, and it ain't the same thing.

    On square-rigged sailing ships, a jury rig is a replacement mast and yards (a yard is a spar to which a sail is attached) improvised in case of damage or loss of the original mast.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_rigging

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  120. @Anonym
    I don’t think Trump’s own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he’s at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    If there is one thing Trump needs to exercise extreme vetting on, it's the women who would offer up a presidential blowjob. They need to be ideologically pure conservatives. If I was a Democrat dirty tricks specialist, smuggling a Lewinsky into the white house would be job number 1.

    Pretty much every White House intern is a potential Lewinsky.

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    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/03/ohio-state-student-after-attack-the-left-is-more-scared-of-trump-than-of-isis/?singlepage=true

    If these ‘lefties’ love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary’s destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?

    Bush’s war inadvertently created more terrorists, and Obama/Hillary used them to topple Libya and blow up Syria.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    If these ‘lefties’ love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary’s destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?
     
    That's modern America for you. Domestic policy based on groveling anti-racism and race pandering, and foreign policy based on xenophobia and racism of a virulence that would have embarrassed even a certain Austrian-born mid-20th century dictator.

    And when you consider that most of the SJWs who push the anti-racism line so hard actually live in whitopias you could easily believe that the US really is the most racist nation on earth. And the most hypocritical.
    , @Jefferson
    "If these ‘lefties’ love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary’s destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?"

    Lefties show their love of Muslims through immigration, welfare, and affirmative action. The Left is about to affirmative action the Muslim Keith Ellison into the chairman of The Democratic Party.
  122. @Hibernian
    "OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too."

    If my aunt were a man, she'd be my uncle.

    Balls said the queen, if I had to I could be king.
    And the king laughed because he had two.

    It also works if you switch the two.

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  123. @Arclight
    Perhaps it is true that reduced Dem enthusiasm cost Hillary the election - but is it because of the candidate or the message? I seem to detect their hope that they can pin this on Hillary as a bad candidate (true) but that a more able campaigner could have relied on the "coalition of the ascendant" to turn out in sufficient numbers to get the party's nominee across the finish line.

    And if this is the case, will the Democrats ever nominate a white candidate again? Corey Booker is too boring, and I am sure Dems are salivating over Kamala Harris...but perhaps Tammy Duckworth? Not as left wing as Harris, also a female minority, and a wounded war veteran. Can't really think of any other non-white Dems who hold statewide office, and cannot think of any white ones who will be under 70.

    “I seem to detect their hope that they can pin this on Hillary as a bad candidate”

    Bernie supporters are thinking that, but they just want a more progressive white person instead of a kleptocrat or a person of color. Hillary’s people are blaming everything but her. It’s pretty clear that she was the problem. Somebody compared Hillary Clinton answering a question to Magic Johnson on his talk show: you can see the wheels turning in their head as they try to compute the optimal solution, given the advice they have.

    Trump played to his strengths, and he campaigned hard. There was a winning strategy for Democrats, in making Trump out to be a conman and demagogue. Instead, they tried obviously politically motivated rape accusations, and a 10-year-old tape of locker room talk. Maybe the Democrats thought turning Trump into a dangerous, dark, warlord would be scary enough, even though Hillary was the one hinting at thermonuclear war with Russia?

    Most likely, labeling Trump as a conman and demagogue would just allow Trump to rebut by highlighting Hillary’s bribes, Wall Street speeches, and the DoJ protecting her. If Bernie were running, he could label Trump a conman without any rebuttal by Trump. Unfortunately for Democrats, Trump is already killing “free trade” and keeping jobs here, so the conman label won’t stick in 2020.

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  124. @snorlax
    Well said.

    Trump and the GOP at large should take heed that their newfound strength among Midwestern WCWs is only the result of the Democrats taking the wrong lessons from their successful 2006-2008 quasi-centrist, guys-with-Confederate-flags-on-their-pickups, really-concerned-about-wars-deficits-earmarks, drop-gun-control platform, and their also-successful 2012 class-warfare, Occupy-Wall-Street, you-didn't-build-that platform.

    This caused them to start believing their own "blue wall" theory, become drunk with overconfidence and screw the pooch with their 2014-2016 hate-whitey, police-are-evil-racist-murderers platform.

    I had never thought that midwestern World Championship Wrestling had much to do with the election results, but I”ll take your word for it.

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  125. @Shine a Light
    It is in our (pro-Trump) interests for the Democratic Party to get its crap together and present true opposition. Because Trump needs to know if he screws the working class and goes Bush-lite then in the 2018 mid-terms the Democrats might regain control of Congress and the impeachment hearings will start in January 2019!

    The Democrats have managed to keep blacks both poor and faithful to them for more than 50 years now, by scaring them with the GOP boogeyman. Working class whites are not going to be so easy to contain if Trump doesn't deliver. So far I am happy with what I see but Trump needs constant supervision and pressure from economic nationalists and American First foreign policy experts.

    As it is the Jews must be really nervous as they are going from near total control of both parties to the very real possibility of getting booted from both. Trump is outwardly pro-Israel but in a limited way compared to his NeoCon predecessors. Half of Hillary's donors were Jewish and so it will be real interesting to see if they keep donating if Keith Ellison does take control of the party.

    As it is the Jews must be really nervous as they are going from near total control of both parties to the very real possibility of getting booted from both. Trump is outwardly pro-Israel but in a limited way compared to his NeoCon predecessors. Half of Hillary’s donors were Jewish and so it will be real interesting to see if they keep donating if Keith Ellison does take control of the party.

    On top of that, the main stream media which has always been their most powerful asset, came up short against the “fake news” internet media. That was not a fluke. The ability of the MSM to influence politics and the culture will continue to erode and even if they can do an internet style coup by using google-facebook-twitter to censor the right alternatives will be developed to go around them further diluting their influence. The monopoly is ending. Demographically, they are already cooked.

    Fifty years from now, we might look back at 2016 as the high water mark of Jewish influence in America much the same way 1945 – 1960 was for WASPs. Nothing lasts forever.

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  126. @FX Enderby
    Did Trump learn anything from Bill Clinton on the golf course? Trump has consistently been several steps ahead of everybody else. Presumably, he has his own intelligence network of confidential sources & informers. The man has been proven right so consistently that it has to be more than just incredibly good luck or fantastic instincts.

    You all talk about this election as though Trump were a politician running for an office, and you measure him by politician standards.
    Imagine instead that Trump is a builder of things. He wants to build a presidency. How do you build a presidency, the rules say ” Win the most Electoral Votes.” How do you win the most electoral votes, win the nomination of your party first, and how do you do that, you defeat the other candidates. So to build the presidency you don’t need a lot of policies and wonkiness … you can hire that but you do need a team that can outbuild the competition.
    Corey Lewandosky and team beat the opposition like red headed step children under the overall guidance of the builder. Unorthodox campaigning, no ground game, no big ad budget, but a lot of honesty and a bit of showmanship.
    Now comes the convention, and Paul Manafort is installed to make sure that the Republican establishment and ownership do not do to the successful Trump what they had done to the unsuccessful Ron Paul the previous two conventions. The Republican convention is the epitome of a genteel and polished operation including allowing Ted Cruz to shoot himself in both feet on live TV and allowing Trump to show his noblesse oblige.
    Now all that was necessary was to allow Hillary to beat herself. She did.
    Meanwhile his election team ran a smooth professional and error free campaign.
    His election team Conway andBannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags, and the horrendousness of Mrs. Clinton.
    So the first three steps in building his presidency are complete and successful.
    Now he has a new team helping him staff the edifice that he will move into next month.
    I suspect that the only thing in the whole campaign that was not preplanned and prepared for was the fat Alicia Machado being used to attack him. And that was the best the dems could come up with; that was their October surprise. Fell about as flat as an empty piñata.
    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team’s job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.
    I watched 60 minutes last night the interview with Ryan. It was obvious that Ryan understands that Trump can do without him and the congress if he wishes; Obama and Bush and Bill Clinton showed just how to do that; and Trump is a very fast learner.

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    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team’s job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.
     
    You are correct because Donald Trump thinks in long range dynastic terms. All you need do is look at his the oldest children who work in the family business. Trump has been running a real estate dynasty. All in all it is difficult for wealthy Americans to get their children to join the family business with the objective of it being eventually passed on to them. Their children would rather be artists or get an environmental degree to save the planet. Or the children might be dumb and incapable or (worst) druggies.
    , @Forbes

    His election team Conway and Bannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags
     
    Bingo. The key distinction that every Rep misses. Heretofore, every Rep thinks they'll get a fair shake from the media. And every time the Rep presidential candidate gets made into a monster of Hitlerian proportions.

    Dems play to win, Reps go home the gracious loser. By being an unconventional candidate, Trump changed the game--and won.
  127. @FX Enderby
    2020 will be the real test of the Sailer Strategy if we get immigration reduction and deportations. Someone needs to crunch the numbers on which states will be easiest to carry.

    Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Possible in "Morning in America" Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

    What about Texas? Will it turn blue?

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  128. @anon
    "Jerry-rigged" came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They'd come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren't necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American's would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they'd realize they couldn't easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, "it's a piece of shit that shouldn't work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don't plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far."

    "Jury-rigged" means just what it says, and it ain't the same thing.

    That’s not it either. Jerry-rigging is a term for rigging sails on a ship. Not inspired by “Jerries” or at least, not originally.

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    Jerry-rigging is a term for rigging sails on a ship.
     
    I've never ever heard the term jerry-rigging. I've heard the term jerry-built but it has a totally different meaning. The term for improvised rigging on a ship is jury-rigged.
  129. @Chrisnonymous
    She botched it by being a shrill old woman who engaged in finger-wagging identity politics. If the candidate had been 15 years younger and used even a pinch of charm, she'd be putting forward Wall Street's cabinet picks now instead of walking her dog.

    OTOH, Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.

    “Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too.”

    You seem to have very little faith in the ability of fake news outlets to simply make sh!t up. Or do you really think that the repeatedly-advanced suggestion that Trump was some kind of secret operative for SMERSH was really evidence-based?

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    Trump said a lot of stuff that seemed incredibly dumb for a guy running for president, and I attributed that to his lack of impulse control. But then he won the damned election, which makes me wonder how dumb the stuff he said really was, in the end. I think the jury is still kinda out on that one--will Trump be able to function as president while continuing to tweet outrageous stuff now and then, or to stop when it isn't working for him?
  130. @Whiskey
    Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively. Had Hillary merely lost them, they would have stayed home. And not voted. THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They'd already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.

    Trump flipped them to vote for him. Hillary did not get large Black turnout, but that was not anything to do with Trump. It had everything to do with Hillary not being a Black man.

    BTW, Natalie Portman wants you to know she'd vote for Michelle Obama for anything. And that she thinks Michelle Obama is just awesome. And Haim Saban seems ready to jump fundraising ship over Keith Ellison X heading up the DNC. Not so down on the Black Muslim Jew-hate is Mr. Saban.

    Dems are now at an impasse. They cannot offer up old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts, per (the stopped clock right twice a day) NR's "Die Rural Whites DIE!" Kevin Williamson. They have to have ultra vibrancy, which means a White-baiting Black dude. Just like shock art had to go full retard, from Rauschenberg goats through a tire to that weirdo Serbian woman cutting herself. That's also true for the Left in Europe, they have to hand over power to Muslims and grovel as third class infidels. [Austria voted full Surrender, mostly through its White women I'm sure.]

    And offering up more Keith Ellison X's or Michelle Obamas just pushes the White middle and working class to not just not vote for Dems, but ACTIVELY vote Republicans as the White party.

    Identity politics are here to stay; Whites are now voting White identity, not screaming for the Fuhrer but wanting not to be screwed over by every other identity group. That's Game Theory 101.

    “Trump flipped the White working class voters (and middle class) in Rust Belt states. Decisively.”

    Temporarily. Remember, Trump also had his companies outsource jobs. He now has to deliver the goods, but by filling cabinet positions with corporate insiders and offering corporate welfare to entice American companies to remain in the States, the working class will be watching with a close eye.

    His message resonated with voters. Hillary failed to listen to the advice offered by her husband regarding working class whites. We shall see if working class whites will support his agenda in two years with the mid-term elections.

    “THAT pattern was already evident in 2008, and 2012, where White working class voters did not turn out for John McCain or Mr. 47%. They’d already stayed home and stayed home since George Herbert Walker Bush.”

    Working class whites voted for Obama…TWICE.

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  131. @Svigor
    Trump steamrolled Big Media. Now they want to act like that never happened, like it was just another election, as if he didn't just roll around their iMaginot Line.

    In other words, Hillary didn't lose the election, so much as Big Media + Establishment did. Anything, to distract from that story.

    Never stop an enemy when he’s making a mistake.

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  132. @anon
    "Jerry-rigged" came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They'd come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren't necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American's would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they'd realize they couldn't easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, "it's a piece of shit that shouldn't work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don't plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far."

    "Jury-rigged" means just what it says, and it ain't the same thing.

    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two – your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. “Jury tampering” or “rigging the jury” are more common phrases than “jury-rigged”

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Yes: "jury-rigged" and "jerry-built."
    , @Jack D
    Jury-rigged likely has nothing to do with courtroom juries - it is probably just a homograph. Jury rigged probably comes from the French word "jour" meaning day - something that is only meant to last a day. But nobody really knows where it came from, and they have even less clue for jerry built. The actual origin of many common idioms is frequently unknown and often there are competing "just so" stories, probably all of which are false. OTOH, it's certain that "Jerry can" refers to Germans but this is of recent (WWII) origin whereas jury rigged goes back to the 17th century if not earlier.
    , @anon

    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two – your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. “Jury tampering” or “rigging the jury” are more common phrases than “jury-rigged”
     
    Thanks. Very interesting. Another take:

    From Barrere & Leland, Dictionary of Slang, Jargon & Cant (1897):

    “Jerry: This word is common among the lower classes of the great cities of England in such phrases as jerry-go-nimble, diahrrœa; jerry-shop, an unlicensed public-house with a back door entrance, and jerry-builder, a cheap and inferior builder who runs up those miserable, showy-looking tenements, neither air-proof nor water-proof. Jerry seems derivable from the gypsy jerr or jir (i.e.,jeer), the rectum, whence its application to diarrhœa, a back door, and all that is contemptible. From the same root we have the Gaelic jerie, pronounced jarey, behind ; the French derriere.”

    With all the information we have, I guess we can likely understand the real origin of these terms by looking up "clusterfuck."

  133. @epebble
    Confirms that the Taiwan opening bid was the first move to start the tariff war. If executed well, this might go well. But tough to handle the initial blow back from conservatives (that their "principles" are being gored), business lobby and even some Democrats for the increase in cost of goods. But the general inflation rate is low and if he can pull it off anytime, this is the best time when he still has the political capital during the honeymoon. If anyone can do it, Trump is the best since he can take cover under pragmatism over ideology. Sometimes, not having principles is good!

    The idea that moving the factories back would be inflationary is BS. Apple has HUGE gross margins on their product – they could easily absorb the impact without raising prices if they wanted to. Carrier HAD to move its factory to Mexico because Wall Street but Wall Street was OK with their giving one guy (the departing CEO) a package worth $150 million, which is more than the total savings from moving to Mexico. When the factories were being moved over the border, I never once heard of a mfr who cut their prices when they moved – they just pocketed the savings as extra profit, but vice versa they say that they HAVE to raise time. BS.

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    It is easy to see inflation rate in sectors affected by globalization vs. those that are not. Education, healthcare etc., are primarily domestic; electronics, clothing, autos are globalized.

    If there is no inflation, margins would be affected and hence there won't be any investment in the low returns sector. Also, many produces that are marginally profitable will go under.

    There is no point pretending there won't be inflation; the trick is to channel that as the cost of fixing the nation and portray it as a patriotic duty (what you can do for the country - pay a little more for that TV and jeans).
    , @NOTA
    If moving production back to the us raises costs of production (almost certainly), then I would expect large scale movement of production back to the US to drive cost-push inflation (recession + inflation), like we had from oil price shocks in the 70s. I am not sure whether the added jobs and money spent here at home would compensate for the recessionary aspect of that policy--if so, prices would go up but employment might go up too; if not, we'd have higher unemployment and inflation, and Trump would end up a one-term president.
    , @Forbes
    The Carrier deal is entirely symbolic--to demonstrate that Trump can deliver. It assuredly has little to do with the labor cost arbitrage that has offshored much US mfg.

    But hocking ourselves to the rest of the world, by financing current consumption to the tune of a $700 billion annual trade deficit, $20 trillion in federal debt, and $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, while 10,000 baby boomers per day reach retirement age, cannot continue. We must produce and earn what we consume and save/invest.

    The message has been received by the radio room of the Titanic. Does it reach the bridge in sufficient time to change course, is the question.
  134. OT:
    Al Gore Meets With Ivanka Trump To Talk ‘Climate Issues’
    The Huffington Post · 33 minutes ago
    President-elect Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump is meeting with former Vice President Al Gore on Monday to discuss “climate issues,” ……

    Also word going around that Ivanka wants to be Trump’s climate change Tsar. _wtf?_ This sounds ominous. Is DJ Trump going to blow billions in tax dollars on this bs the way Bush and Obama have? The universities have been graduating thousands upon thousands of environmental sciences majors and they (virtually) all want a gov’t job and/or Federale funding for their global warming research.
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    University of Montana Climate Change Studies Program
    http://www.cfc.umt.edu › Academics
    Video embedded · The University of Montana’s Climate Change Studies (CCS) minor is the first undergraduate degree program of its kind in the nation. The CCS program …

    Climate Change & Society at NC State University

    https://ccs.sciences.ncsu.edu

    Climate Change & Society at NC State University . A Bridge Between Knowledge and Action. The Climate Change & Society (CCS) program at North Carolina State University .

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  135. @Anonymous
    Yes, well, who among us hasn't wondered what it'd be like to be hitched to some farm girl, pop out a few kids, and have all of life's practical and theoretical questions answered by unshakeable tradition?

    Perhaps the Amish could be convinced to license their unsullied name to diesel-powered alt-right breeding colonies.

    This only works in fantasy because in your fantasy you get to pick and choose what aspects of Amish life you would like to keep, but in reality it’s the whole package including membership in an incredibly restrictive religious cult that you have to adhere to 24/7 or be shunned by your community. I suspect most of us would last around a week before we went nuts or told some busybody neighbor where to go.

    PS, when it comes to the looks of Amish girls, they don’t call them “plain people” for nothing.

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    PS, when it comes to the looks of Amish girls, they don’t call them “plain people” for nothing.
     
    Please don't shatter the fondly-held fantasies of people who think Amish women all look like Kelly McGillis in her prime.
  136. @FX Enderby
    2020 will be the real test of the Sailer Strategy if we get immigration reduction and deportations. Someone needs to crunch the numbers on which states will be easiest to carry.

    Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Possible in "Morning in America" Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

    >Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Those three and Nevada are closest.

    >Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Nevada is actually trending GOP since 2008. Partisan lean went from D+2.6% –> D+1.4% –> D+0.3%.

    Colorado is in the middle of the road right where it has been for a long time.

    Virginia is trending Democrat, but actually voted majority GOP for Congress this year.

    New Mexico is still doable as well.

    >Possible in “Morning in America” Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    This group should also include NJ. The next tranche of RI, Maine CD 1, Washington and Illinois is more of a reach but possible.

    >Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

    Illinois doesn’t belong in that group, New York and Maryland do.

    Margin in a tied race based on 2016 results:

    NH R+1.5%
    MN R+0.4%
    NV D+0.5%
    ME D+0.8%
    328 Electoral Votes

    CO D+3.0%
    VA D+3.5%
    NM D+6.3%
    355 Electoral Votes

    OR D+9.0%
    DE D+9.5%
    CT D+11.8%
    NJ D+12.0%
    ME cd1 D+12.6%
    RI D+13.6%
    WA D+14%
    IL D+15.1%
    423 Electoral Votes

    NY D+19.4%
    MD D+24.5%
    VT D+24.5%
    MA D+25.3%
    CA D+28.3%
    HI D+30.3%
    DC D+84.9%

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    Illinois has been incorrigably Democratic for the last 10 years. The Illinois GOP is on life support. They have the Gov's mansion but the Dem legislature won't let the Gov do anything.
  137. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    I don't know what happened in the upper Midwest, but I can tell you in Pennsylvania it was a combination of 1) longtime Dems (the sort whose parents/grandparents thought the Holy Trinity was the Father, the Son, and FDR) finally getting turned off by the War on Coal (and, to a lesser extent all the BLM-type crap) and 2) those who didn't want Clinton and couldn't quite bring themselves to support Trump who either stayed home or voted Johnson.

    With a good track record in his first term, the GOP not actively trying to stab him, and (let's be frank, the man's 70-ish) not dying, I think he has a chance to have a more definitive win in a 2020 re-election bid.

    Also, policies that promote a general prosperity, as opposed to pandering to the Al Sharptons and the LaRaza/Univisions of the country, would mean holding the amount of NAM support Trump got, if not actually expanding it. Blacks who take "the content of their character" to heart, and the sort of "Latins" who self-identify as white (a/k/a unhyphenated American) would flock to Trump in enough numbers to re-elect him handily.

    Question for further thought (somewhat OT): Without the 1965 Immigration Act, would employers having to "cast down their buckets where they were" have prevented the Great Society from neutron-bombing Black America?

    Blacks who take “the content of their character” to heart,

    These blacks exist mostly in fantasy. Blacks are deeply invested in the Democrat Party (and vice versa) and it is going to take more than 1 term to break that bond. Look at the coal country whites that you mention – the Democrat Party practically had to spit in their face before they were willing to break with them.

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    Key word there for me is "mostly"

    It doesn't take a lot who do to break the "coalition of the oppressed" 's electoral strength. Just one in eight would nearly double Trump's haul from this time 'round.
    , @The Only Catholic Unionist
    As I think about it further, the Donks HAVE been spitting in their faces (in the case of Blacks, essentially importing Mesoamerica to replace them), and all it really takes is someone who's not afraid of the media to call them out on it.

    This article rings true for me: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/1205/Among-black-men-a-spark-of-support-for-Donald-Trump And, as I said before, it doesn't take a lot to really screw up the Democrat party electoral math ...
  138. @Jack Hanson
    Articles like this are great. The Left continues to refuse to learn anything from this defeat. 2018 is going to be a blood bath at this rate. By 2020 they'll be insisting a Marilyn Mosby/ Keith Ellison ticket is the way to go.

    2018 is going to be a blood bath at this rate.

    Quite possible in the Senate with 23 Democratic and 8 Republican (and 2 Independents voting D) seats up for election in 2018.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2018

    I find it interesting that the cycles are so unbalanced right now with near parity overall:
    2018 23D 8R 2I
    2020 11D 22R
    2022 12D 22R (assuming R wins in LA)

    This seems to be fairly normal recently. Was it common historically?

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  139. @Stogumber
    Steve,

    As for "voter suppression", I observe that the media concoct more and more such terms which systematically cover morally harmless and morally reprehensible behaviour - and this way the media are suppressing people's ability to make relevant moral distinctions.

    I first found this out with the term "abuse". Here in Germany, a Catholic bishop was attacked for the "abuse" of children. What was evident (and of course admitted)? - The fact that the bishop had smacked some children on the ear, decades ago, when this was completely legal and seen as normal by teachers or other authorities. On the other hand, the comfortable term "abuse" covered dark allusions that the bishop had sexually abused boys - an accusation which was never documented by evidence and , after the bishop resigned, was silently laid aside by the media.

    I suppose that one can find even more terms which have systematically developed in a way that they cover harmless and reprensible activities. (The mother of all these terms may or may not be "antisemitism".) Some time we will have to find a category under which to collect those terms.

    Another such term is “sexual assault” – in modern parlance this covers everything from stranger rape to second thoughts that arise days or months later .

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    Or the spoken sexual innuendo that, apparently, "assaults" one's modesty--as if one can verbally inflict physical harm or injury.
  140. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Cletus Rothschild
    A couple of issues with the original story:

    1. They're playing the same sort of semantic game that some sports teams do: "we beat ourselves". It sounds admirably self-reflective, but it can be self-deluding because it doesn't acknowledge what the other team did to win. It will be interesting if the Democrats follow this concept to its logical conclusion though, because they're doubling down on the very things that lost them this election.

    2. I just don't understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump's message won OR, our tactics failed.

    2. I just don’t understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump’s message won OR, our tactics failed.

    Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.

    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.

    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic.

    The lower the IQ, the less likely a person can function in an argument in which their opponent takes a contrary position. Lower IQ folks prefer contrary arguments, so much so that they will recast a contrary argument as a contradictory argument, creating your “false dichotomy.”

    In story-telling, there is a protagonist and antagonist taking contradictory positions related to their goals to create conflict.

    In more “sophisticated” story-telling, you’re more likely to see the contrary “anti-hero.” The racist, woman-slapping Jake Gittes. The cynical “Rick,” who sticks his neck out for nobody.

    In stories intended for lesser IQ’s, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster. In “12 Years a Slave,” instead of seeing a free black man initiating a “skin game” and having it blow up in his face, as historians have indicated was the case, you have a black man who is kidnapped against his will. The former would be the basis for a dark comedy, at best. The latter allows for a moral fable that a child could understand. The former would be more interesting, but the latter more easily understood by the teeming masses. A perfect meal for those with an average IQ of 90-95, which coincidentally, is around the mean IQ of the population of the United States.

    I believe it would be a mistake to consider most journalists to be intellectuals. A degree in journalism doesn’t qualify one’s ability to decipher reality consistently and correctly. A university certainly can’t teach judgement, any more than it can teach you to have blue eyes. I believe judgement is mostly a genetic trait. As reporters become less journalists and more editorialists, our news gets dumber, making it easier for the dumb to “understand” and contribute.

    Because of this, you might say false dichotomies are the opium of the internets.

    There will always be a worldwide plethora of people dumb or cynical enough to create them, and readers dumb enough, or with enough of a political investment, to believe in them.

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    "In stories intended for lesser IQ’s, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster."

    During the shootout scene at the end of Django Unchained the film's soundtrack was blasting gangsta rap music. You know because gangsta rap was a very popular music genre in 1850s America. Back than people were listening to 2Pac rapping about guns while churning butter or working in sugarcane plantations.

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Cletus Rothschild writes:
    "Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:
    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.
    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:
    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.
    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic."

    Cletus, What you say is thought-provoking, but what you are calling an argument is merely a pair of statements which cannot both be true *in the same sense*. When one hears "The wall is black.", one ordinarily thinks of the surface of an interior wall, without considering the other side of the wall in another room (or on the outside of the building). So proving the wall is black *does* automatically disprove the wall is green, unless the context of discourse is unexpectedly switched. This context-switching -- by pointing out that a wall has two sides -- can be explained even to a low-IQ person. And even in your first example, proving the wall is black does *not* automatically disprove the wall is not black, if one expands the scope of attention to the other side of the wall, which might be any color (or polka-dot).

    This is like a scene from Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" in which a professional witness is asked, "What color is that house over there?" The witness answers, "It's white, on this side."
  141. @Jack D
    The idea that moving the factories back would be inflationary is BS. Apple has HUGE gross margins on their product - they could easily absorb the impact without raising prices if they wanted to. Carrier HAD to move its factory to Mexico because Wall Street but Wall Street was OK with their giving one guy (the departing CEO) a package worth $150 million, which is more than the total savings from moving to Mexico. When the factories were being moved over the border, I never once heard of a mfr who cut their prices when they moved - they just pocketed the savings as extra profit, but vice versa they say that they HAVE to raise time. BS.

    It is easy to see inflation rate in sectors affected by globalization vs. those that are not. Education, healthcare etc., are primarily domestic; electronics, clothing, autos are globalized.

    If there is no inflation, margins would be affected and hence there won’t be any investment in the low returns sector. Also, many produces that are marginally profitable will go under.

    There is no point pretending there won’t be inflation; the trick is to channel that as the cost of fixing the nation and portray it as a patriotic duty (what you can do for the country – pay a little more for that TV and jeans).

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  142. @snorlax
    It takes Trump having a successful presidency, and, his successor having a more "Reaganesque" personality, in the sense that Reagan's personal morals were unimpeachable, and he knew how to pick and win his fights without being suckered into a trap or seeming angry. (I'm not one of those TrueCon Reagan cultists, I'm just naming him because he's the most successful rightist politician in semi-recent memory).

    The good thing is I expect both those things to happen, and that they'll raise the numbers with everyone, not just the white upper-middle class.

    I don't think Trump's own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he's at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    Pence has a sort of Reaganesque affect, including a professional broadcaster’s voice.

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  143. @JohnnyGeo
    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two - your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. "Jury tampering" or "rigging the jury" are more common phrases than "jury-rigged"

    Yes: “jury-rigged” and “jerry-built.”

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  144. @JohnnyGeo
    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two - your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. "Jury tampering" or "rigging the jury" are more common phrases than "jury-rigged"

    Jury-rigged likely has nothing to do with courtroom juries – it is probably just a homograph. Jury rigged probably comes from the French word “jour” meaning day – something that is only meant to last a day. But nobody really knows where it came from, and they have even less clue for jerry built. The actual origin of many common idioms is frequently unknown and often there are competing “just so” stories, probably all of which are false. OTOH, it’s certain that “Jerry can” refers to Germans but this is of recent (WWII) origin whereas jury rigged goes back to the 17th century if not earlier.

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  145. The DJ Trump revolution. What intelligent, patriotic leadership can do.

    Rush Limbaugh was playing in the background and suddenly I had to turn him up. Out of nowhere he threw a blazing Don Drysdale sidearm fastball over the plate. The always eternal free trader Rush Limbaugh was advocating Trumpian tariffs. Plus to edumacate his listening audience Limbaugh related the honorable role of tariffs in our history. How prior to the Federal Income Tax (1913) tariffs were the primary source of revenue for the Federal government. A fact that I have posted at least 40 times on the internet.
    _________
    Donald Scott “Don” Drysdale (born July 23, 1936 … Drysdale used brushback pitches and a sidearm fastball to intimidate … (wiki)

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  146. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyGeo
    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two - your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. "Jury tampering" or "rigging the jury" are more common phrases than "jury-rigged"

    Jury-rig comes from the age of sail and means a temporary mast set up to aid a damaged vessel. Jerry-built is more like poorly constructed and also predates WWII. Jerry-rig is a corruption of one or a conflation of the two – your explanation may be a possible source of the corruption.
    As far as trial juries go, that use of rig to mean a cheat or swindle comes from con artist slang. “Jury tampering” or “rigging the jury” are more common phrases than “jury-rigged”

    Thanks. Very interesting. Another take:

    From Barrere & Leland, Dictionary of Slang, Jargon & Cant (1897):

    “Jerry: This word is common among the lower classes of the great cities of England in such phrases as jerry-go-nimble, diahrrœa; jerry-shop, an unlicensed public-house with a back door entrance, and jerry-builder, a cheap and inferior builder who runs up those miserable, showy-looking tenements, neither air-proof nor water-proof. Jerry seems derivable from the gypsy jerr or jir (i.e.,jeer), the rectum, whence its application to diarrhœa, a back door, and all that is contemptible. From the same root we have the Gaelic jerie, pronounced jarey, behind ; the French derriere.”

    With all the information we have, I guess we can likely understand the real origin of these terms by looking up “clusterfuck.”

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  147. @anon
    "Jerry-rigged" came from American WWII soldiers who were chasing the German soldiers through France and Germany. They'd come across abandoned improvised devices from assorted origins on their last legs that weren't necessarily German, like french parts on German vehicles, and vice-versa.
    American's would acquire vehicles and other assets that would break down soon after, and they'd realize they couldn't easily fix it, because it was reliant on coat-hangers, bricks, foreign parts, or whatever the German soldiers could find to make it work.
    It was meant to imply, "it's a piece of shit that shouldn't work, but does somehow, thanks to the crafty Germans, so don't plan on that captured truck/machine gun/tank taking you very far."

    "Jury-rigged" means just what it says, and it ain't the same thing.

    From Joseph Conrad’s A Personal Record, published in 1912:

    When I presented my self to be examined for master the examiner who received me was short, plump, with a round, soft face in gray, fluffy whiskers, and fresh, loquacious lips.

    He commenced operations with an easy going “Let’s see. H’m. Suppose you tell me all you know of charter-parties.” He kept it up in that style all through, wandering off in the shape of comment into bits out of his own life, then pulling himself up short and returning to the business in hand. It was very interesting. “What’s your idea of a jury-rudder now?” he queried, suddenly, at the end of an instructive anecdote bearing upon a point of stowage.

    I warned him that I had no experience of a lost rudder at sea, and gave him two classical examples of makeshifts out of a text-book. In exchange he described to me a jury-rudder he had invented himself years before, when in command of a three-thousand-ton steamer. It was, I declare, the cleverest contrivance imaginable. “May be of use to you some day,” he concluded. “You will go into steam presently. Everybody goes into steam.”

    There he was wrong. I never went into steam—not really. If I only live long enough I shall become a bizarre relic of a dead barbarism, a sort of monstrous antiquity, the only seaman of the dark ages who had never gone into steam—not really.

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    A simple way of looking at a vote shift or vote suppression would be to check individual state totals back to 2004. That is a short enough period that population growth shouldn’t have had too much effect in the slow growing north.

    Republicans
    Sta 2016 2012 2008 2004
    IL 2.141M 2.135M 2.031M 2.346 M
    IN 1.557M 1.423M 1.346M 1.479M
    IA 0.801M 0.731M 0.682M 0.752M
    KY 1.203M 1.087M 1.048M 1.069M
    ME 0.335M 0.292M 0.295M 0.330M
    MI 2.279M 2.115M 2.049M 2.314M
    MN 1.323M 1.320M 1.275M 1.347M
    MO 1.586M 1.482M 1.446M 1.456M
    NY 2.640M 2.490M 2.753M 2.963M
    OH 2.841M 2.661M 2.678M 2.860M
    PA 2.963M 2.680M 2.656M 2.794M
    WV 0.489M 0.418M 0.397M 0.424M
    WI 1.407M 1.408M 1.262M 1.478M

    Democrats
    Sta 2016 2012 2008 2004
    IL 3.084M 3.020M 3.419M 2.892M
    IN 1.039M 1.154M 1.374M 0.969M
    IA 0.654M 0.823M 0.829M 0.742M
    KY 0.629M 0.679M, 0.752M 0.713M
    ME 0.355M, 0.401M 0.422M 0.397M
    MI 2.269M 2.565M 2.873M 2.479M
    MN 1.368M, 1.546M 1.573M 1.445M
    MO 1.055M 1.224M 1.442M 1.259M
    NY 4.159M 4.486M 4.805M 4.314M
    OH 2.394M 2.828M 2.940M 2.741M
    PA 2.916M 2.990M 3.276M 2.938M
    WV 0.189M 0.238M 0.304M 0.327M
    WI 1.383M 1.621M 1.677M 1.490M

    Total
    IL 5.557M 5.251M 5.528M 5.274M
    IN 2.741M 2.633M 2.756M 2.468M
    IA 1.566M 1.582M 1.537M 1.507M
    KY 1.924M 1.798M 1.828M 1.796M
    ME 0.742M 0.713M 0.731M 0.741M
    MI 4.799M 4.745M 5.010M 4.839M
    MN 2.945M 2.937M 2.910M 2.828M
    MO 2.777M 2.764M 2.292M 2.731M
    NY 7.129M 7.081M 7.641M 7.391M
    OH 5.537M 5.591M 5.722M 5.628M
    PA 6.143M 5.756M 6.015M 5.770M
    WV 0.720M 0.672M 0.715M 0.756M
    WI 2.975M 3.068M 2.983M 2.997M

    Generally, one can see both a shift of voters from Bush/McCain/Romney to Trump, and a net loss of Democrat voters staying home.

    The net shift of voters to Trump is the difference of him doing significantly better with white working class and rural/small town voters and doing worse with educated white suburban voters around NY, Philly, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison, Minneapolis, etc.

    It also seems clear also that the enacting of strict voter ID laws in several states was a significant help in suppressing fraudulent votes, especially Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. Fall in votes 2012 to 2016:
    Wayne County (Detroit) -41K
    Genesee County (Flint) -8K
    Milwaukee County -52K
    Racine County -9K
    Rock County (Janesville) -8K
    Dane County +6K (but average growth per election had been +24K back to 1996)
    Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) -36K
    Lucas County (Toledo) -13K
    Hamilton County (Cinci) -10K
    Summit County (Akron) -9K
    Mahoning County (Youngstown) -5K

    As a test reference case, Cook County had 165K more votes in 2016 vs. 2012 despite Obama not being on the ballot and it being a built out county in a non-competitive state. Illinois has no voter ID requirement. Similarly, Philadelphia had 19K more votes in 2016 vs. 2012 despite being built out and a negative growth location. Again, no voter ID required.

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    Yeah, sure looks like the GOP benefited in WI & MI from the DEM base being uninspired by the Hiltron. Also agreed that the lion share of midwest vote fraud is in IL: Cook County, but Lake, DuPage & Kankakee Counties to a lesser extent. Someone should do a micro-analysis of IL- 4, (Luis Gutierrez's "ear muffs" district) & IL-9 (held by spouse of notorious slimeball Bob Creamer). There are high levels of illegal aliens in both, and DJT was essentially portrayed there as the Great Satan.
  149. @CK
    You all talk about this election as though Trump were a politician running for an office, and you measure him by politician standards.
    Imagine instead that Trump is a builder of things. He wants to build a presidency. How do you build a presidency, the rules say " Win the most Electoral Votes." How do you win the most electoral votes, win the nomination of your party first, and how do you do that, you defeat the other candidates. So to build the presidency you don't need a lot of policies and wonkiness ... you can hire that but you do need a team that can outbuild the competition.
    Corey Lewandosky and team beat the opposition like red headed step children under the overall guidance of the builder. Unorthodox campaigning, no ground game, no big ad budget, but a lot of honesty and a bit of showmanship.
    Now comes the convention, and Paul Manafort is installed to make sure that the Republican establishment and ownership do not do to the successful Trump what they had done to the unsuccessful Ron Paul the previous two conventions. The Republican convention is the epitome of a genteel and polished operation including allowing Ted Cruz to shoot himself in both feet on live TV and allowing Trump to show his noblesse oblige.
    Now all that was necessary was to allow Hillary to beat herself. She did.
    Meanwhile his election team ran a smooth professional and error free campaign.
    His election team Conway andBannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags, and the horrendousness of Mrs. Clinton.
    So the first three steps in building his presidency are complete and successful.
    Now he has a new team helping him staff the edifice that he will move into next month.
    I suspect that the only thing in the whole campaign that was not preplanned and prepared for was the fat Alicia Machado being used to attack him. And that was the best the dems could come up with; that was their October surprise. Fell about as flat as an empty piñata.
    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team's job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.
    I watched 60 minutes last night the interview with Ryan. It was obvious that Ryan understands that Trump can do without him and the congress if he wishes; Obama and Bush and Bill Clinton showed just how to do that; and Trump is a very fast learner.

    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team’s job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.

    You are correct because Donald Trump thinks in long range dynastic terms. All you need do is look at his the oldest children who work in the family business. Trump has been running a real estate dynasty. All in all it is difficult for wealthy Americans to get their children to join the family business with the objective of it being eventually passed on to them. Their children would rather be artists or get an environmental degree to save the planet. Or the children might be dumb and incapable or (worst) druggies.

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  150. @Jus' Sayin'...
    This election - if one bothers to think seriously about it - was revolutionary. The entire establishment was in the tank for Clinton and against Trump, even a large part of his own stoopid party's establishment. The MSM inundated the electorate with negative reporting on Trump and positive on Clinton. Trump was outspent by between five-to-one and ten-to-one. Trump's campaign team was jury-rigged, staffed even at the highest levels by many persons with little experience in running a political campaign, and had zero campaign staff in place at the precinct level when the campaign began. The Clinton campaign was a well-oiled machine, in continuous existence for nearly three decades, staffed by the best professionals money can buy, and tightly organized with staff in place down to the precinct level even before the primary campaign.

    Yet Trump won. There are three reasons: (1) Trump's message against "invade the world/invite the world/in debt to the world" policies resonated with a large majority of the electorate. (2) Clinton's history of corruption, epic failures, and dangerous belligerence turned off many voters and potential voters. (3) Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust; playing favorites and keeping obvious incompetents in place or even promoting them; and refusing to alter her ideas and theories even when events prove them disastrously wrong. Before this Slick Willy occasionally stepped in to save her, e.g., restoring her failing senatorial campaign in the nick of time. But this time his magic was gone. The crash and burn of Clinton's campaign suggests what a disaster her presidency would have been.

    I suspect that if the MSM had covered this campaign in an unbiased manner and addressed the issues that both candidates raised, Trump would have won in a landslide. But to do this then or even do an honest post-election analysis of what happened would probably bring down the establishment. It will be decades or more, if ever, before we see a reasonable empirical analysis of this election.

    You mean in hock to the world.

    Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust.

    Is that ever true! In 2008 her dysfunctional inner circle was just about all female chums. A witch’s coven due to Hillary’s evil intentions. At least this time around it (2016) she included some guys and gays. But still run on paranoid secrecy and distrust. Such as her email server.

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  151. Trump had the brains and balls to win the 2nd Battle of Hastings in the form of the 2016 presidential election. The answer to 1984 is 1066. Trump is a natural born Norman conqueror.

    Patriots, populists and the young enjoy pretentiousness — it doesn’t make them bad people.

    Voter dissuasion destroyed Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

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  152. @snorlax
    The key phrase is "relative to Romney." Republicans always do very well among white Texans, Trump underperformed, particularly in upper-middle-class suburbs.

    “The key phrase is “relative to Romney.” Republicans always do very well among white Texans, Trump underperformed, particularly in upper-middle-class suburbs.”

    Donald J. Trump didn’t underperform with White Texans. Winning 70 percent of their vote is not underperforming. The percentage of White Texans who voted for Donald J. Trump is similar to the percentage of Jews who voted for Crooked Hildabeast.

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  153. @Dave Pinsen
    When did "about" get replaced by "around" - and why?

    It always strikes me as a status seeking or displaying shibboleth, as in when people say folks instead of people or gender instead of sex.

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  154. Ferraro, Hillary, Palin and Hillary again. Extra X chromosome. And up against what Andy warhol called “a butch guy”.

    Another thing is that Trump is a good example of how practice makes perfect, no one has his level of experience in being himself on TV. and keeping people’s interest. Hillary is uninspiring and plain boring by comparison. Big companies spend millions on advertising because they know it takes a minimum of seven encounters with a brand before a buying decision can be reached. The more we are exposed to a brand, the more we like it. “Neurons that fire together, wire together”
    [...]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/23/whom-are-you-voting-for-this-guy-can-read-your-mind/

    Many accuse him of spouting gibberish and nonsense, but Donald Trump is the consummate salesperson. He focuses on simple ideas and emotion and lets his listeners fill in the blank space.

    This is a brilliant tactic because when you fill in the blank space with your own ideas and understanding of how he’s going to do it, you aren’t likely to disagree – because THEY’RE YOUR OWN IDEAS. [...]

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  155. @Anonymous
    Yes, well, who among us hasn't wondered what it'd be like to be hitched to some farm girl, pop out a few kids, and have all of life's practical and theoretical questions answered by unshakeable tradition?

    Perhaps the Amish could be convinced to license their unsullied name to diesel-powered alt-right breeding colonies.

    A few kids? The Amish are averaging eight per household.

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  156. I think the feminism angle probably cost her a lot of black male votes. I’m sure quite a few of them have gotten in trouble on the job for sexual harassment.

    A good question might be “Do European female politicians run on feminism the way Hillary did?”

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    "I think the feminism angle probably cost her a lot of black male votes. I’m sure quite a few of them have gotten in trouble on the job for sexual harassment."

    In 2016 can Black men in America even get in trouble for sexual harassment on the job? After all companies these days are extremely afraid of being called racists. You know the Brothas are going to play the race card everytime they get in trouble for sexual harassment in order to decrease their chances of getting fired.

  157. @Svigor
    Trump steamrolled Big Media. Now they want to act like that never happened, like it was just another election, as if he didn't just roll around their iMaginot Line.

    In other words, Hillary didn't lose the election, so much as Big Media + Establishment did. Anything, to distract from that story.

    Yeah, Trump steamrolled the lapdog media–which he continues to do, and will do so long as they think they write The Narrative. They just don’t get it that they lost–and will continue to produce stories that find explanations elsewhere. Fake news? It’s as if the lapdog media turned into The Onion and nobody noticed.

    He also steamrolled the GOPe and the neocons–who still don’t get it. Could NR and TWS be more meaningless than they are now? A Republican wins the WH and they actively opposed him. These folks are debating Trump’s tweets as if the future of the republic depends on it–meanwhile the Left can’t help themselves, by responding “How high?” as if every Trump tweet said “Jump!”

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  158. @Svigor
    Although I suppose it is possible to Jerry-rig a jury-rigging.

    google books ngram viewer shows interesting data on Jerry versus Jury.

    Here

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=jury+rigged%2C+jerry+rigged&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cjury%20rigged%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cjerry%20rigged%3B%2Cc0

    With the former only appearing in 1980 while the latter goes back to 1830.

    I was expecting Jerry to start appearing immediately after one of the late unpleasantness’ with the Hun in the previous century, where the necessity for ad-hoc solutions was increasingly apparent in the Fatherland.

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  159. @Anonymous
    This strikes me as generally true, although a fact-checker would have to wonder what's the actual difference between 'flipping some white voters' and 'winning a higher percentage of white voters than previous Republican candidates'. Anywho... I would have phrased it differently, but that's because I look at it from a different perspective; mostly, I agree.

    Perhaps: it's not that Trump is a great candidate, but if he's our only alternative to the uniparty then we'll hold our nose and vote for him.

    Or: Trump's plans are uncertain, but we know we won't like what Hillary will inflict on us.

    Or: We wish we had a more eloquent spokesman, but Trump is our only hope to dislodge the neocons.

    Or: Trump is the anti-establishment candidate.

    All of the above, I think, are the reasons that his supporters mostly ignored all the mudslinging and scandals: he was a protest vote to begin with. His supporters already knew his drawbacks as a candidate and as a person; further convincing them of something they already knew didn't make a difference.

    Agreed.

    All of the above, I think, are the reasons that his supporters mostly ignored all the mudslinging and scandals:

    Trump had been in the eye of the media for 30+ years. Warts and all, the public knew him. The mudslinging and scandal-mongering made it apparent media was opposing Trump–media that previously found Trump useful. If Trump was dangerous or toxic, surely that would’ve been revealed long before now. Efforts to continue portraying Trump negatively only serves to confirm media opposition and bias.

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  160. @Steve Sailer
    He or she said "self initiated Amish."

    I presume that means you don't have to work in the fields and can drive an F-150.

    He or she said “self initiated Amish.”

    I’m gonna nominate that for the Dumbest Term of the Week on the Internet award.

    First prize is a framed, wall-size poster of Lena Dunham taking the One-Finger Selfie Challenge. Second prize is a bound volume of The Collected Comments of Whiskey.

    Last prize is the two reversed.

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  161. I stand corrected (though I suppose it’s still possible to Jerry-rig a jury-rigging, without being redundant). :)

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  162. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Hillary was (1) an open borders immigration advocate, (2) anti-gun, and the NRA does politics very, very well, (3) anti-Christian, (see Jen Palm Oil's savaging of Catholics, and the general Democrat-Party antipathy to Evangelicals), (4) on board for the whole Obama "those jobs are not coming back" schtick (35% tariff and they'll be back in a New York Minute), (5) ignorant of the wrong-track change voters that sense that Democrats reject the notion that the United States Government ought to put the interests of United States citizens first.

    With that baggage, and the woke status of much more of the electorate, she lost. But Trump exploited the openings Hill provided.

    “(4) on board for the whole Obama “those jobs are not coming back” schtick”

    I noticed how that media commentators completely glossed over that part of his Pennsylvania “Bitter Clinger” speech. That component was his most potentially politically damaging statement, and I don’t recall much media focus on it. Perhaps those on the right side of history considered it so self-evident that it was unworthy of further examination.

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  163. @eah
    More investigation into how Hillary botched the race is needed.

    The Democrats "botched" the election by nominating HRC, who in truth was never electable (Lügenpresse).

    To answer the last question below (and pose another one): you'd have 'diversity', and what could be more better than that?

    https://twitter.com/Drewbueno/status/804752311125950464

    The question posed assumes the usual economic poppycock that people are nothing more than economic widgets to be moved around a global chessboard by TPTB. It ignores that people have, not just economic output (GDP per capita), but cultural capital (language, religion, traditions, folkways, family relations, et al.) and agency that are not displaced, or to be ignored, by hypothetical “what if” exercises by policy mavens.

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  164. @No_0ne
    "Trump without Curiel, Trump U, bankruptcies, Uncle Tom, etc would have been more competitive too."

    You seem to have very little faith in the ability of fake news outlets to simply make sh!t up. Or do you really think that the repeatedly-advanced suggestion that Trump was some kind of secret operative for SMERSH was really evidence-based?

    Trump said a lot of stuff that seemed incredibly dumb for a guy running for president, and I attributed that to his lack of impulse control. But then he won the damned election, which makes me wonder how dumb the stuff he said really was, in the end. I think the jury is still kinda out on that one–will Trump be able to function as president while continuing to tweet outrageous stuff now and then, or to stop when it isn’t working for him?

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  165. @Jack D
    The idea that moving the factories back would be inflationary is BS. Apple has HUGE gross margins on their product - they could easily absorb the impact without raising prices if they wanted to. Carrier HAD to move its factory to Mexico because Wall Street but Wall Street was OK with their giving one guy (the departing CEO) a package worth $150 million, which is more than the total savings from moving to Mexico. When the factories were being moved over the border, I never once heard of a mfr who cut their prices when they moved - they just pocketed the savings as extra profit, but vice versa they say that they HAVE to raise time. BS.

    If moving production back to the us raises costs of production (almost certainly), then I would expect large scale movement of production back to the US to drive cost-push inflation (recession + inflation), like we had from oil price shocks in the 70s. I am not sure whether the added jobs and money spent here at home would compensate for the recessionary aspect of that policy–if so, prices would go up but employment might go up too; if not, we’d have higher unemployment and inflation, and Trump would end up a one-term president.

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    and Trump would end up a one-term president.
     
    Well thanks Eeyore. But your relentless pessimism:

    NOTA Nov. 5, 2016 I think 538 reflects about the best available picture of reality. It’s about 2:1 odds in Hillary’s favor.

    is not encouraging.

    Your track record does not show even a glimmer of prescience. Maybe you are on our side. It is difficult to tell, because a high-quality, sinister troll would read exactly the way I read you.
  166. @Yep
    I think the feminism angle probably cost her a lot of black male votes. I'm sure quite a few of them have gotten in trouble on the job for sexual harassment.

    A good question might be "Do European female politicians run on feminism the way Hillary did?"

    “I think the feminism angle probably cost her a lot of black male votes. I’m sure quite a few of them have gotten in trouble on the job for sexual harassment.”

    In 2016 can Black men in America even get in trouble for sexual harassment on the job? After all companies these days are extremely afraid of being called racists. You know the Brothas are going to play the race card everytime they get in trouble for sexual harassment in order to decrease their chances of getting fired.

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  167. @CK
    You all talk about this election as though Trump were a politician running for an office, and you measure him by politician standards.
    Imagine instead that Trump is a builder of things. He wants to build a presidency. How do you build a presidency, the rules say " Win the most Electoral Votes." How do you win the most electoral votes, win the nomination of your party first, and how do you do that, you defeat the other candidates. So to build the presidency you don't need a lot of policies and wonkiness ... you can hire that but you do need a team that can outbuild the competition.
    Corey Lewandosky and team beat the opposition like red headed step children under the overall guidance of the builder. Unorthodox campaigning, no ground game, no big ad budget, but a lot of honesty and a bit of showmanship.
    Now comes the convention, and Paul Manafort is installed to make sure that the Republican establishment and ownership do not do to the successful Trump what they had done to the unsuccessful Ron Paul the previous two conventions. The Republican convention is the epitome of a genteel and polished operation including allowing Ted Cruz to shoot himself in both feet on live TV and allowing Trump to show his noblesse oblige.
    Now all that was necessary was to allow Hillary to beat herself. She did.
    Meanwhile his election team ran a smooth professional and error free campaign.
    His election team Conway andBannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags, and the horrendousness of Mrs. Clinton.
    So the first three steps in building his presidency are complete and successful.
    Now he has a new team helping him staff the edifice that he will move into next month.
    I suspect that the only thing in the whole campaign that was not preplanned and prepared for was the fat Alicia Machado being used to attack him. And that was the best the dems could come up with; that was their October surprise. Fell about as flat as an empty piñata.
    Looking ahead, Pres. Trump will have another team inplace on Jan 21 and that team's job is to build a presidency for the ages. 8 years he has to MAGA and to develop a party Bench that will continue after his 8 years to Keep America Marvelous. Think of it 8 years will be 5-6 Supreme Court Justices.
    I watched 60 minutes last night the interview with Ryan. It was obvious that Ryan understands that Trump can do without him and the congress if he wishes; Obama and Bush and Bill Clinton showed just how to do that; and Trump is a very fast learner.

    His election team Conway and Bannon knew that Trump would not receive any positive press so they worked from that perspective. They built a victory on the enmity of the WAPO and NYT and the Cable gasbags

    Bingo. The key distinction that every Rep misses. Heretofore, every Rep thinks they’ll get a fair shake from the media. And every time the Rep presidential candidate gets made into a monster of Hitlerian proportions.

    Dems play to win, Reps go home the gracious loser. By being an unconventional candidate, Trump changed the game–and won.

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  168. @Anon
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/03/ohio-state-student-after-attack-the-left-is-more-scared-of-trump-than-of-isis/?singlepage=true

    If these 'lefties' love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary's destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?

    Bush's war inadvertently created more terrorists, and Obama/Hillary used them to topple Libya and blow up Syria.

    If these ‘lefties’ love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary’s destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?

    That’s modern America for you. Domestic policy based on groveling anti-racism and race pandering, and foreign policy based on xenophobia and racism of a virulence that would have embarrassed even a certain Austrian-born mid-20th century dictator.

    And when you consider that most of the SJWs who push the anti-racism line so hard actually live in whitopias you could easily believe that the US really is the most racist nation on earth. And the most hypocritical.

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  169. @anon

    2. I just don’t understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump’s message won OR, our tactics failed.
     
    Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.

    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.

    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic.

    The lower the IQ, the less likely a person can function in an argument in which their opponent takes a contrary position. Lower IQ folks prefer contrary arguments, so much so that they will recast a contrary argument as a contradictory argument, creating your "false dichotomy."

    In story-telling, there is a protagonist and antagonist taking contradictory positions related to their goals to create conflict.

    In more "sophisticated" story-telling, you're more likely to see the contrary "anti-hero." The racist, woman-slapping Jake Gittes. The cynical "Rick," who sticks his neck out for nobody.

    In stories intended for lesser IQ's, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster. In "12 Years a Slave," instead of seeing a free black man initiating a "skin game" and having it blow up in his face, as historians have indicated was the case, you have a black man who is kidnapped against his will. The former would be the basis for a dark comedy, at best. The latter allows for a moral fable that a child could understand. The former would be more interesting, but the latter more easily understood by the teeming masses. A perfect meal for those with an average IQ of 90-95, which coincidentally, is around the mean IQ of the population of the United States.

    I believe it would be a mistake to consider most journalists to be intellectuals. A degree in journalism doesn't qualify one's ability to decipher reality consistently and correctly. A university certainly can't teach judgement, any more than it can teach you to have blue eyes. I believe judgement is mostly a genetic trait. As reporters become less journalists and more editorialists, our news gets dumber, making it easier for the dumb to "understand" and contribute.

    Because of this, you might say false dichotomies are the opium of the internets.

    There will always be a worldwide plethora of people dumb or cynical enough to create them, and readers dumb enough, or with enough of a political investment, to believe in them.

    “In stories intended for lesser IQ’s, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster.”

    During the shootout scene at the end of Django Unchained the film’s soundtrack was blasting gangsta rap music. You know because gangsta rap was a very popular music genre in 1850s America. Back than people were listening to 2Pac rapping about guns while churning butter or working in sugarcane plantations.

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  170. @Anonymous
    Yes, well, who among us hasn't wondered what it'd be like to be hitched to some farm girl, pop out a few kids, and have all of life's practical and theoretical questions answered by unshakeable tradition?

    Perhaps the Amish could be convinced to license their unsullied name to diesel-powered alt-right breeding colonies.

    Hate to harsh your mellow, but IME among Amish (and Mennonite) farmers, the kids lead brutal lives.

    So do the women.

    The animals–makes me sick to even think about.

    I have no idea where this romantic notion of those people comes from.

    If this were a pub instead of Sailer’s Salon, I’d tell the Loading The Organic Soil Amendments story over the blackest, bitterest beer we could scrounge. And some others too.

    Then I’d go out back and cut a bunch of firewood. Cussing the whole time.

    It’s not a pub, and anyway I left the onion off my belt this morning.

    “Unsullied name” my left a$$.

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    The Amish are well-known to animal welfare groups for their brutal mistreatment of animals, both domestic pets and livestock. They're notorious for their puppy mills, photos of which look like they were taken in some Third World hell hole.

    I have nothing but contempt for them.

    N.B. Animal welfare groups are not to be confused with animal rights groups. The former try to improve animals's living conditions by educating and working with the animals's owners. They are not to be confused with the extremist groups lobbying for animals to be recognized as individuals under the law.

  171. @Heinie Fassbinder
    That's not it either. Jerry-rigging is a term for rigging sails on a ship. Not inspired by "Jerries" or at least, not originally.

    Jerry-rigging is a term for rigging sails on a ship.

    I’ve never ever heard the term jerry-rigging. I’ve heard the term jerry-built but it has a totally different meaning. The term for improvised rigging on a ship is jury-rigged.

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  172. @Jefferson
    "As a self initiated Amish, White supremacist.

    The fact that you use the internet means you are not Amish. Also there is no such thing as an Amish White supremacist. They only see other fellow Amish people as their tribe. The Amish have not adopted a pan-White identity where they see a Louisiana Cajun for example as part of their tribe. They only care about their small little communities.

    Maybe Jane Claire should have said “self-identifying Amish” because Amishness is like totally a social construct y’know.

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  173. @anon

    It was a close election. Close enough that there are, with hindsight, dozens of things Hillary could have done. Hell … she could have just manufactured 20,000 more votes in Detroit. With so many theoretically possible ‘reasons’ …. its pretty much certain that Dems will settle on a narrative that is wrong.
     
    Just from my salesman's eye, I noticed Trump going into Terminator Mode via his unrelenting public appearances. I remember thinking, "if Hillary doesn't get off her fat ass and start doing 3 shows a day, Trump's gonna hand her fat ass to her." And he did. He just out-worked her. He worked smarter, and a lot harder.

    In America, that shit still happens to work.

    I think that's why millenials are still flummoxed over the Trump win. They think the outcome of hard work is some kind of weird magic they can't understand. And they're unfortunately right.

    Shorter version: Trump campaigned for the presidency. He campaigned in states that mattered. He campaigned where Reps were competitive and votes were up for grabs. He campaigned non-stop.

    Hillary? Her campaign events were private, exclusive, expensive fund-raisers that the NYT and WaPo breathlessly narrated. Hillary didn’t campaign for votes, she campaigned for money.

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  174. @Jack D
    Another such term is "sexual assault" - in modern parlance this covers everything from stranger rape to second thoughts that arise days or months later .

    Or the spoken sexual innuendo that, apparently, “assaults” one’s modesty–as if one can verbally inflict physical harm or injury.

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  175. @Anon
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/03/ohio-state-student-after-attack-the-left-is-more-scared-of-trump-than-of-isis/?singlepage=true

    If these 'lefties' love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary's destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?

    Bush's war inadvertently created more terrorists, and Obama/Hillary used them to topple Libya and blow up Syria.

    “If these ‘lefties’ love Muslims so much, why their silence about Hillary’s destruction of the Muslim world with the help of radical Jihadis?”

    Lefties show their love of Muslims through immigration, welfare, and affirmative action. The Left is about to affirmative action the Muslim Keith Ellison into the chairman of The Democratic Party.

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  176. @Jack D
    The idea that moving the factories back would be inflationary is BS. Apple has HUGE gross margins on their product - they could easily absorb the impact without raising prices if they wanted to. Carrier HAD to move its factory to Mexico because Wall Street but Wall Street was OK with their giving one guy (the departing CEO) a package worth $150 million, which is more than the total savings from moving to Mexico. When the factories were being moved over the border, I never once heard of a mfr who cut their prices when they moved - they just pocketed the savings as extra profit, but vice versa they say that they HAVE to raise time. BS.

    The Carrier deal is entirely symbolic–to demonstrate that Trump can deliver. It assuredly has little to do with the labor cost arbitrage that has offshored much US mfg.

    But hocking ourselves to the rest of the world, by financing current consumption to the tune of a $700 billion annual trade deficit, $20 trillion in federal debt, and $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, while 10,000 baby boomers per day reach retirement age, cannot continue. We must produce and earn what we consume and save/invest.

    The message has been received by the radio room of the Titanic. Does it reach the bridge in sufficient time to change course, is the question.

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  177. @Olorin
    Hate to harsh your mellow, but IME among Amish (and Mennonite) farmers, the kids lead brutal lives.

    So do the women.

    The animals--makes me sick to even think about.

    I have no idea where this romantic notion of those people comes from.

    If this were a pub instead of Sailer's Salon, I'd tell the Loading The Organic Soil Amendments story over the blackest, bitterest beer we could scrounge. And some others too.

    Then I'd go out back and cut a bunch of firewood. Cussing the whole time.

    It's not a pub, and anyway I left the onion off my belt this morning.

    "Unsullied name" my left a$$.

    The Amish are well-known to animal welfare groups for their brutal mistreatment of animals, both domestic pets and livestock. They’re notorious for their puppy mills, photos of which look like they were taken in some Third World hell hole.

    I have nothing but contempt for them.

    N.B. Animal welfare groups are not to be confused with animal rights groups. The former try to improve animals’s living conditions by educating and working with the animals’s owners. They are not to be confused with the extremist groups lobbying for animals to be recognized as individuals under the law.

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  178. @Jack D
    This only works in fantasy because in your fantasy you get to pick and choose what aspects of Amish life you would like to keep, but in reality it's the whole package including membership in an incredibly restrictive religious cult that you have to adhere to 24/7 or be shunned by your community. I suspect most of us would last around a week before we went nuts or told some busybody neighbor where to go.

    PS, when it comes to the looks of Amish girls, they don't call them "plain people" for nothing.

    PS, when it comes to the looks of Amish girls, they don’t call them “plain people” for nothing.

    Please don’t shatter the fondly-held fantasies of people who think Amish women all look like Kelly McGillis in her prime.

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  179. Yeah H lost it. her and her crew were lost in the “goodwhite” bubble. Look at the populations of DC and Manhattan . both of those have a large plurality of whites (40% in dc 55% on Manhattan)
    but vote for the Ds in Black pop %. that is her and her crews world . its been 24 years since she lived anywhere but those 2 places.
    hell, they couldn’t get into the mindset of the Staten islanders across the bay, or the parts of VA outside NoVA, let alone someone in WI or PA.

    Trump is a salesman and sold enough to win, any halfway decent retail politician who had to please the voters of her council district or whatever would be able to read the people well enough to respond, but HRC had no political instincts and data people, not pols in charge and thought she did not need to reply, cuz in her and her staffs world he was getting fringe party % of the vote.

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  180. I’m not surprised that about a third of the posts in this thread were a sperg out about jerry v jury rigging.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They were just sperging out?
  181. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "If my aunt were a man, she’d be my uncle."
    I thought it was "If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle".

    Same difference.

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  182. @anon

    2. I just don’t understand why people insist on false dichotomies. It always has to be either/or: EITHER Trump’s message won OR, our tactics failed.
     
    Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.

    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:

    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.

    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic.

    The lower the IQ, the less likely a person can function in an argument in which their opponent takes a contrary position. Lower IQ folks prefer contrary arguments, so much so that they will recast a contrary argument as a contradictory argument, creating your "false dichotomy."

    In story-telling, there is a protagonist and antagonist taking contradictory positions related to their goals to create conflict.

    In more "sophisticated" story-telling, you're more likely to see the contrary "anti-hero." The racist, woman-slapping Jake Gittes. The cynical "Rick," who sticks his neck out for nobody.

    In stories intended for lesser IQ's, you see Django eliminating the evil slavemaster. In "12 Years a Slave," instead of seeing a free black man initiating a "skin game" and having it blow up in his face, as historians have indicated was the case, you have a black man who is kidnapped against his will. The former would be the basis for a dark comedy, at best. The latter allows for a moral fable that a child could understand. The former would be more interesting, but the latter more easily understood by the teeming masses. A perfect meal for those with an average IQ of 90-95, which coincidentally, is around the mean IQ of the population of the United States.

    I believe it would be a mistake to consider most journalists to be intellectuals. A degree in journalism doesn't qualify one's ability to decipher reality consistently and correctly. A university certainly can't teach judgement, any more than it can teach you to have blue eyes. I believe judgement is mostly a genetic trait. As reporters become less journalists and more editorialists, our news gets dumber, making it easier for the dumb to "understand" and contribute.

    Because of this, you might say false dichotomies are the opium of the internets.

    There will always be a worldwide plethora of people dumb or cynical enough to create them, and readers dumb enough, or with enough of a political investment, to believe in them.

    Cletus Rothschild writes:
    “Do you know the difference between contrary and contradictory arguments?

    Example of a contradictory argument:
    The wall is black.
    The wall is not black.
    Proving the wall is black, automatically disproves the wall is not black.

    Example of a contrary argument:
    The wall is black.
    The wall is green.
    Proving the wall is black, does not automatically disprove the wall is also green. The wall could be black on one side, and green on the other, under the restraints of logic.”

    Cletus, What you say is thought-provoking, but what you are calling an argument is merely a pair of statements which cannot both be true *in the same sense*. When one hears “The wall is black.”, one ordinarily thinks of the surface of an interior wall, without considering the other side of the wall in another room (or on the outside of the building). So proving the wall is black *does* automatically disprove the wall is green, unless the context of discourse is unexpectedly switched. This context-switching — by pointing out that a wall has two sides — can be explained even to a low-IQ person. And even in your first example, proving the wall is black does *not* automatically disprove the wall is not black, if one expands the scope of attention to the other side of the wall, which might be any color (or polka-dot).

    This is like a scene from Robert Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land” in which a professional witness is asked, “What color is that house over there?” The witness answers, “It’s white, on this side.”

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  183. @oddsbodkins
    "35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute"

    Most of those manufacturing jobs are not coming back, unless you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods. It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.

    Factories are already coming back, to be staffed with a lot of robots and a few people.

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  184. @Anonym
    When did “about” get replaced by “around” – and why?

    Language changes so much in the current year that it's literally 1984.

    An increasing number of people seem to think that all prepositions are interchangeable.

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    "An increasing number of people seem to think that all prepositions are interchangeable."

    I have noticed this too, and with great disapproval.
  185. @Andrew
    >Doable : New Hampshire, Maine & Minnesota.

    Those three and Nevada are closest.

    >Trending non-White but still close: Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

    Nevada is actually trending GOP since 2008. Partisan lean went from D+2.6% --> D+1.4% --> D+0.3%.

    Colorado is in the middle of the road right where it has been for a long time.

    Virginia is trending Democrat, but actually voted majority GOP for Congress this year.

    New Mexico is still doable as well.

    >Possible in “Morning in America” Nixon/Reagan type re-elect scenario: Oregon, Connecticut and Delaware.

    This group should also include NJ. The next tranche of RI, Maine CD 1, Washington and Illinois is more of a reach but possible.

    >Unlikely unless running against Keith Ellison /Colin Kaepernick: Hawaii, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Illinois.

    Illinois doesn't belong in that group, New York and Maryland do.

    Margin in a tied race based on 2016 results:

    NH R+1.5%
    MN R+0.4%
    NV D+0.5%
    ME D+0.8%
    328 Electoral Votes

    CO D+3.0%
    VA D+3.5%
    NM D+6.3%
    355 Electoral Votes

    OR D+9.0%
    DE D+9.5%
    CT D+11.8%
    NJ D+12.0%
    ME cd1 D+12.6%
    RI D+13.6%
    WA D+14%
    IL D+15.1%
    423 Electoral Votes

    NY D+19.4%
    MD D+24.5%
    VT D+24.5%
    MA D+25.3%
    CA D+28.3%
    HI D+30.3%
    DC D+84.9%

    Illinois has been incorrigably Democratic for the last 10 years. The Illinois GOP is on life support. They have the Gov’s mansion but the Dem legislature won’t let the Gov do anything.

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    Agreed that IL is near permanent one party state for the Dems. IL is the midwest's canary in a coalmine. It is the Central Time Zone's California. It is what OH & MN will become in 5 years if present immigration patterns continue. It is on a collision course with bankruptcy, and large parts of Chicago have the thinnest veneer of civilization over them, with the heavy gun violence zones slowly spreading outwards.
  186. According to exit polls, the HS or less contingent of the electorate dropped by 33% between 2012 and 2016, from 24% of the total to 18% of the total. Given that the same exit polls show black turnout dropping by just a point and Hispanic turnout increasing, it doesn’t feel right. It suggests that if Trump had the 2012 turnout instead of the 2016 turnout, he would’ve won in a landslide.

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  187. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jane Claire
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don't vote. Nor do I care about the authors stereotyped black veteran voting for a democrat only because he's blaaaaaaack and has to vote for a democrat but everyone messed it up by putting in white Hillary the mole in the US government, thereby leaving said blaaaaaaaack man with no one to vote for, none of the other candidates were blaaaaaaack.
    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I just don't vote or ponder the ill fate of the blaaaaaaack IQ, or the Jews either. I don't think of plan to do anything about it, now that I mention it and to go further I don't care about their IQ. What is an IQ? Ask Forest Gump.
    I would stand next to Muslims only with my back against a wall, Palestinians included.

    As a self initiated Amish, White Supremacist, I don’t vote.

    So nice you had to say it twice eh? This post is unadulterated b.s. White “supremacists” are rare as hen’s teeth, much less an Amish bloviating for paragraphs about it.

    In fact most anytime you see “white supremacist” in the mainstream news, you can assume a biased, ignorant source.

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  188. @Jack Hanson
    I'm not surprised that about a third of the posts in this thread were a sperg out about jerry v jury rigging.

    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They were just sperging out?

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    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
     
    It was a thought experiment. We do them all the time (imagine all the dollars of the national debt were laid end-to-end, how far would it reach?)

    They were not 'sperging out' because they were observing the incommensurate nature of immaterial beings and the physical world. Angels do not occupy physical space. Not even the smallest of space. Jesus used the same technique with the parable of the grain of the mustard seed.

    Clearly you never attended Sunday School.
  189. @Jack D

    Blacks who take “the content of their character” to heart,
     
    These blacks exist mostly in fantasy. Blacks are deeply invested in the Democrat Party (and vice versa) and it is going to take more than 1 term to break that bond. Look at the coal country whites that you mention - the Democrat Party practically had to spit in their face before they were willing to break with them.

    Key word there for me is “mostly”

    It doesn’t take a lot who do to break the “coalition of the oppressed” ‘s electoral strength. Just one in eight would nearly double Trump’s haul from this time ’round.

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  190. @oddsbodkins
    "35% tariff and they’ll be back in a New York Minute"

    Most of those manufacturing jobs are not coming back, unless you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods. It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.

    you are willing to have every American pay a lot more for manufactured goods.

    Well we CANNOT deprive every American from going to WalMart to get his or her supply of Chinese manufactured trinkets, beads and baubles, can we?

    It would be political suicide. Ask Jimmy Carter how inflation helped his popularity.

    Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?

    Furthermore, it would take both a tariff and a robot tax to make it happen. And investors and companies would have to believe that the tariffs and taxes would be around long enough to justify the investment in reopening American factories.

    Okay, so what’s your point?

    Obama told the truth of many manufacturing jobs not returning.

    Trump demonstrated that Obama was wrong.

    Do try to interact with facts already established and widely known. It makes the discussion here both much more efficient and effective.

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  191. @Mike Sylwester
    Is everyone here supposed to understand your acronym WCW?

    Working-class white. I used it because the post I was replying to did.

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  192. @NOTA
    If moving production back to the us raises costs of production (almost certainly), then I would expect large scale movement of production back to the US to drive cost-push inflation (recession + inflation), like we had from oil price shocks in the 70s. I am not sure whether the added jobs and money spent here at home would compensate for the recessionary aspect of that policy--if so, prices would go up but employment might go up too; if not, we'd have higher unemployment and inflation, and Trump would end up a one-term president.

    and Trump would end up a one-term president.

    Well thanks Eeyore. But your relentless pessimism:

    NOTA Nov. 5, 2016 I think 538 reflects about the best available picture of reality. It’s about 2:1 odds in Hillary’s favor.

    is not encouraging.

    Your track record does not show even a glimmer of prescience. Maybe you are on our side. It is difficult to tell, because a high-quality, sinister troll would read exactly the way I read you.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    If you're trying to figure out what's likely to happen, "Whose side are you on?" is the wrong question to ask. You want the best available answer to the question, not the one that's the most loyal to your side.

    Tomorrow there will be some new scheme being pushed to close the racial achievement gap, and my deep skepticism about it won't be because of whose side I'm on, it will be about knowing something about the IQ distribution across races and how persistent it is.

    Trying to answer questions of fact with questions of loyalty or group identity is a good way to make yourself dumber.
  193. Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

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    Iowa has some Mississippi River industrial cities.

    I tend to use the term Big 10 states, but that college football conference has recently expanded to 14 schools, adding Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers (New Jersey).

    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

     

    Iowa forms a transition zone between the Great Lakes states (aka the Rust Belt) and the Great Plains states. Eastern Iowa has quite a few small cities, e.g. Davenport, Dubuque, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Waterloo and Burlington. These are relatively blue, especially the Iowa City area, which is home to the U of I. This part of Iowa has more in common with Wisconsin and other points east, with a greater degree of union influence, and hence more traditionally Democratic constituencies.

    Western Iowa, on the other hand, has only a couple of small cities, i.e. Sioux City and Council Bluffs, and votes much like South Dakota or Nebraska. It's anchored by the Republican bastion of Sioux County, which usually goes 80% or more red.

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Corn does indeed rust. Look up Puccinia sorghi

    iSteve is more likely referring to heavy industry stuff in Dubuque like John Deere & Flexsteel.
  194. @Clyde
    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They were just sperging out?

    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    It was a thought experiment. We do them all the time (imagine all the dollars of the national debt were laid end-to-end, how far would it reach?)

    They were not ‘sperging out’ because they were observing the incommensurate nature of immaterial beings and the physical world. Angels do not occupy physical space. Not even the smallest of space. Jesus used the same technique with the parable of the grain of the mustard seed.

    Clearly you never attended Sunday School.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    'Twas but a joke, a merrie pranke.

    The sperges in talke are thingges of needcessity, and he who maketh mocke at them doth rightly deserve to be mocked in his turn.

    -(Ye olde medieval jester)

    , @Clyde
    Yours is much better than whatever I said.
  195. @Oleaginoius Outrager
    Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

    Iowa has some Mississippi River industrial cities.

    I tend to use the term Big 10 states, but that college football conference has recently expanded to 14 schools, adding Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers (New Jersey).

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  196. @Oleaginoius Outrager
    Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

    Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

    Iowa forms a transition zone between the Great Lakes states (aka the Rust Belt) and the Great Plains states. Eastern Iowa has quite a few small cities, e.g. Davenport, Dubuque, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Waterloo and Burlington. These are relatively blue, especially the Iowa City area, which is home to the U of I. This part of Iowa has more in common with Wisconsin and other points east, with a greater degree of union influence, and hence more traditionally Democratic constituencies.

    Western Iowa, on the other hand, has only a couple of small cities, i.e. Sioux City and Council Bluffs, and votes much like South Dakota or Nebraska. It’s anchored by the Republican bastion of Sioux County, which usually goes 80% or more red.

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  197. @Oleaginoius Outrager
    Iowa is in the Rust Belt? Since when does corn rust?

    Corn does indeed rust. Look up Puccinia sorghi

    iSteve is more likely referring to heavy industry stuff in Dubuque like John Deere & Flexsteel.

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  198. To the Media.

    Dear Sir, Madame, Miss, Mrs., Ms, It, Ik, Heck, beck, etc. etc. etc.,

    You know how you say its not you its me? Yeah, its YOU.

    Signed, America

    PS: Don’t care what you say for the foreseeable future.

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    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
     
    It was a thought experiment. We do them all the time (imagine all the dollars of the national debt were laid end-to-end, how far would it reach?)

    They were not 'sperging out' because they were observing the incommensurate nature of immaterial beings and the physical world. Angels do not occupy physical space. Not even the smallest of space. Jesus used the same technique with the parable of the grain of the mustard seed.

    Clearly you never attended Sunday School.

    ‘Twas but a joke, a merrie pranke.

    The sperges in talke are thingges of needcessity, and he who maketh mocke at them doth rightly deserve to be mocked in his turn.

    -(Ye olde medieval jester)

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  200. @Hibernian
    Illinois has been incorrigably Democratic for the last 10 years. The Illinois GOP is on life support. They have the Gov's mansion but the Dem legislature won't let the Gov do anything.

    Agreed that IL is near permanent one party state for the Dems. IL is the midwest’s canary in a coalmine. It is the Central Time Zone’s California. It is what OH & MN will become in 5 years if present immigration patterns continue. It is on a collision course with bankruptcy, and large parts of Chicago have the thinnest veneer of civilization over them, with the heavy gun violence zones slowly spreading outwards.

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    if present immigration patterns continue.
     
    Did you miss the results of the 2016 Presidential Election?
  201. @Hibernian
    An increasing number of people seem to think that all prepositions are interchangeable.

    “An increasing number of people seem to think that all prepositions are interchangeable.”

    I have noticed this too, and with great disapproval.

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  202. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Agreed that IL is near permanent one party state for the Dems. IL is the midwest's canary in a coalmine. It is the Central Time Zone's California. It is what OH & MN will become in 5 years if present immigration patterns continue. It is on a collision course with bankruptcy, and large parts of Chicago have the thinnest veneer of civilization over them, with the heavy gun violence zones slowly spreading outwards.

    if present immigration patterns continue.

    Did you miss the results of the 2016 Presidential Election?

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  203. @Andrew
    A simple way of looking at a vote shift or vote suppression would be to check individual state totals back to 2004. That is a short enough period that population growth shouldn't have had too much effect in the slow growing north.

    Republicans
    Sta 2016 2012 2008 2004
    IL 2.141M 2.135M 2.031M 2.346 M
    IN 1.557M 1.423M 1.346M 1.479M
    IA 0.801M 0.731M 0.682M 0.752M
    KY 1.203M 1.087M 1.048M 1.069M
    ME 0.335M 0.292M 0.295M 0.330M
    MI 2.279M 2.115M 2.049M 2.314M
    MN 1.323M 1.320M 1.275M 1.347M
    MO 1.586M 1.482M 1.446M 1.456M
    NY 2.640M 2.490M 2.753M 2.963M
    OH 2.841M 2.661M 2.678M 2.860M
    PA 2.963M 2.680M 2.656M 2.794M
    WV 0.489M 0.418M 0.397M 0.424M
    WI 1.407M 1.408M 1.262M 1.478M

    Democrats
    Sta 2016 2012 2008 2004
    IL 3.084M 3.020M 3.419M 2.892M
    IN 1.039M 1.154M 1.374M 0.969M
    IA 0.654M 0.823M 0.829M 0.742M
    KY 0.629M 0.679M, 0.752M 0.713M
    ME 0.355M, 0.401M 0.422M 0.397M
    MI 2.269M 2.565M 2.873M 2.479M
    MN 1.368M, 1.546M 1.573M 1.445M
    MO 1.055M 1.224M 1.442M 1.259M
    NY 4.159M 4.486M 4.805M 4.314M
    OH 2.394M 2.828M 2.940M 2.741M
    PA 2.916M 2.990M 3.276M 2.938M
    WV 0.189M 0.238M 0.304M 0.327M
    WI 1.383M 1.621M 1.677M 1.490M

    Total
    IL 5.557M 5.251M 5.528M 5.274M
    IN 2.741M 2.633M 2.756M 2.468M
    IA 1.566M 1.582M 1.537M 1.507M
    KY 1.924M 1.798M 1.828M 1.796M
    ME 0.742M 0.713M 0.731M 0.741M
    MI 4.799M 4.745M 5.010M 4.839M
    MN 2.945M 2.937M 2.910M 2.828M
    MO 2.777M 2.764M 2.292M 2.731M
    NY 7.129M 7.081M 7.641M 7.391M
    OH 5.537M 5.591M 5.722M 5.628M
    PA 6.143M 5.756M 6.015M 5.770M
    WV 0.720M 0.672M 0.715M 0.756M
    WI 2.975M 3.068M 2.983M 2.997M

    Generally, one can see both a shift of voters from Bush/McCain/Romney to Trump, and a net loss of Democrat voters staying home.

    The net shift of voters to Trump is the difference of him doing significantly better with white working class and rural/small town voters and doing worse with educated white suburban voters around NY, Philly, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison, Minneapolis, etc.

    It also seems clear also that the enacting of strict voter ID laws in several states was a significant help in suppressing fraudulent votes, especially Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. Fall in votes 2012 to 2016:
    Wayne County (Detroit) -41K
    Genesee County (Flint) -8K
    Milwaukee County -52K
    Racine County -9K
    Rock County (Janesville) -8K
    Dane County +6K (but average growth per election had been +24K back to 1996)
    Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) -36K
    Lucas County (Toledo) -13K
    Hamilton County (Cinci) -10K
    Summit County (Akron) -9K
    Mahoning County (Youngstown) -5K

    As a test reference case, Cook County had 165K more votes in 2016 vs. 2012 despite Obama not being on the ballot and it being a built out county in a non-competitive state. Illinois has no voter ID requirement. Similarly, Philadelphia had 19K more votes in 2016 vs. 2012 despite being built out and a negative growth location. Again, no voter ID required.

    Yeah, sure looks like the GOP benefited in WI & MI from the DEM base being uninspired by the Hiltron. Also agreed that the lion share of midwest vote fraud is in IL: Cook County, but Lake, DuPage & Kankakee Counties to a lesser extent. Someone should do a micro-analysis of IL- 4, (Luis Gutierrez’s “ear muffs” district) & IL-9 (held by spouse of notorious slimeball Bob Creamer). There are high levels of illegal aliens in both, and DJT was essentially portrayed there as the Great Satan.

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  204. @MarcB
    "(4) on board for the whole Obama “those jobs are not coming back” schtick"

    I noticed how that media commentators completely glossed over that part of his Pennsylvania "Bitter Clinger" speech. That component was his most potentially politically damaging statement, and I don't recall much media focus on it. Perhaps those on the right side of history considered it so self-evident that it was unworthy of further examination.

    I thought he made that speech in the Bay Area.

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    Yep, Billionaire's Row fundraiser in San Francisco ...
    , @MarcB
    He did, but he was talking about the people of Pennsyltucky.
  205. @snorlax
    It takes Trump having a successful presidency, and, his successor having a more "Reaganesque" personality, in the sense that Reagan's personal morals were unimpeachable, and he knew how to pick and win his fights without being suckered into a trap or seeming angry. (I'm not one of those TrueCon Reagan cultists, I'm just naming him because he's the most successful rightist politician in semi-recent memory).

    The good thing is I expect both those things to happen, and that they'll raise the numbers with everyone, not just the white upper-middle class.

    I don't think Trump's own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he's at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    And by “sex scandal” we neither mean JFK banging a dozen secretaries and spies while in office, nor the infamous Clinton Oval Office blow job extravaganza (nor his sundry rapes, they were white trash so it doesn’t count), but unacceptable, inhuman locker room talk? (NB. Locker room talk like Lyndon B Johnson is obviously exempt.)

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  206. @Anonym
    I don’t think Trump’s own personality is going to change much, but hopefully he’s at least able to stay married to Melania while in office and not have any more sex scandals, which would go a long way.

    If there is one thing Trump needs to exercise extreme vetting on, it's the women who would offer up a presidential blowjob. They need to be ideologically pure conservatives. If I was a Democrat dirty tricks specialist, smuggling a Lewinsky into the white house would be job number 1.

    If so, the Dems will need hotter interns. Trump is used to a certain standard after all, you know, runway models, playboy bunnies and such.

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  207. Democrats stayed home or (to a lesser extent) voted for a third party. Trump did not really flip white working-class voters in the Rust Belt. Mostly, Democrats lost them.

    This is mostly wishful thinking. Jill Stein was the only national third party candidate who could plausibly have appealed to Democratic voters. However, given her Erin Brockovich leanings, coupled with SWPL vibe in general, most white working class voters in the Rust Belt did not by any stretch of the imagination cast their votes whole heartedly for Stein. Stein received mostly upscale, yuppie, limousine liberal ,SWPL voters who felt that Hillary was a sell out, deceptive in general, or not leftist liberal enough. Probably Stein received some Bernie votes as well.

    If anything, Trump’s margins in the Rust Belt states possibly would’ve been even higher if Gary Johnson were not on the ballot. If Trump received, say, a full third of Johnson’s Libertarian voters, that would’ve clearly put the Rust Belt states out of reach for any recount.

    By the way, how come Steve hasn’t posted anything regarding Jill Stein’s recount in the three Rust Belt states? It is a fairly important post-election story, and still ongoing.

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  208. Hilly was losing the Senate race when she finally brought in the Bill. She did not listen to the advice of a well tuned politician this time continuing to canvass New York and California which she had already won and came in second.

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  209. @FactsAreImportant
    Hillary's recount strategy is to get a lawsuit (any lawsuit) to the Supreme Court so the Court can rule the Electoral College unconstitutional and declare Hillary the winner based on the popular vote (probably because the Electoral College runs afoul of a shiny new interpretation of the 14th Amendment).

    You heard it here first!

    Hillary’s recount strategy is to get a lawsuit (any lawsuit) to the Supreme Court so the Court can rule the Electoral College unconstitutional…

    The Electoral College is part of the constitution itself, and thus can not simply be declared unconstitutional. It would take a constitutional amendment to end it. The SCOTUS isn’t going to approve some B.S. argument stemming from the 14th Amendment. Maybe after Hillary had a chance to pack the High Court with SJWs, but not as things stand today.

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  210. @Jack D

    Blacks who take “the content of their character” to heart,
     
    These blacks exist mostly in fantasy. Blacks are deeply invested in the Democrat Party (and vice versa) and it is going to take more than 1 term to break that bond. Look at the coal country whites that you mention - the Democrat Party practically had to spit in their face before they were willing to break with them.

    As I think about it further, the Donks HAVE been spitting in their faces (in the case of Blacks, essentially importing Mesoamerica to replace them), and all it really takes is someone who’s not afraid of the media to call them out on it.

    This article rings true for me: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/1205/Among-black-men-a-spark-of-support-for-Donald-Trump And, as I said before, it doesn’t take a lot to really screw up the Democrat party electoral math …

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  211. @Untermensch
    I find it interesting that the deplorables basket paradigm -- which HRC instinctively but too late recognized as a gaffe -- has been "owned" outright by Dem bigshots in the aftermath, e.g. Palmieri sassing Conway at that Harvard confab. Howard Dean said with no irony that Bannon is a Nazi. On the ABC election coverage when it was all over (11:00 hour basically) Stephanie Cutter for lack of baloney excuses just started in on KKKampaign themes and was mildly rebuked by all the other co-panelists including Kristol and Alex Castellanos of all people; in the month since, Dems are no longer hesitant to profess this silly self-deluding concept. Look at the comical op-ed by the Emory prof who says he's being blacklisted. It is more of a rhetorical bind rather than epistemic closure --- they've forbade themselves to reassess identity group bingo's inherent limitations. Also they embrace a very gay, arch tone of anti-empathetic aristocratic disdain, usually only heard on daytime soaps, for their potential clients, itself a displacement effect since they can't say anything honest about laggard NAMs. It's a party full of extremely unhappy folks, though the non-liberals are supposed to be the angry ones.

    “Also they embrace a very gay, arch tone of anti-empathetic aristocratic disdain, usually only heard on daytime soaps, for their potential clients, itself a displacement effect since they can’t say anything honest about laggard NAMs”.

    They brought to mind the old “Poverty Sucks” poster as whenever they described voters as down market whites. Some of them came perilously close to the foppish overlords from the Hunger Games.

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  212. This was the election of the “Emerging Democratic Majority/Rise of the Creative Class.”

    Those two books were both published in 2002, the same year that Hillary’s white, gay campaign manager, Robby Mook, graduated from college. I remember hearing Democratic candidates for mayor and governor quoting Dick Florida’s book verbatim while campaigning for office shortly after its publication. Florida and his book have receded into the background, but combine the attitude conveyed – why give a shirt about the working class? – with the message pushed by that other book – why give a shot about whites? – and you get the Democratic Party’s 2016 campaign strategy.

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  213. @Opinionator
    I thought he made that speech in the Bay Area.

    He did, but he was talking about the people of Pennsyltucky.

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  214. If anything, Trump’s margins in the Rust Belt states possibly would’ve been even higher if Gary Johnson were not on the ballot. If Trump received, say, a full third of Johnson’s Libertarian voters, that would’ve clearly put the Rust Belt states out of reach for any recount.

    Clearly, to every tit on the planet, I suppose. Because given the numbers we do have, it’s clearly out of reach for any recount.

    By the way, how come Steve hasn’t posted anything regarding Jill Stein’s recount in the three Rust Belt states? It is a fairly important post-election story, and still ongoing.

    Even the Dems are rolling their eyes at Stein.

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  215. @Jus' Sayin'...
    This election - if one bothers to think seriously about it - was revolutionary. The entire establishment was in the tank for Clinton and against Trump, even a large part of his own stoopid party's establishment. The MSM inundated the electorate with negative reporting on Trump and positive on Clinton. Trump was outspent by between five-to-one and ten-to-one. Trump's campaign team was jury-rigged, staffed even at the highest levels by many persons with little experience in running a political campaign, and had zero campaign staff in place at the precinct level when the campaign began. The Clinton campaign was a well-oiled machine, in continuous existence for nearly three decades, staffed by the best professionals money can buy, and tightly organized with staff in place down to the precinct level even before the primary campaign.

    Yet Trump won. There are three reasons: (1) Trump's message against "invade the world/invite the world/in debt to the world" policies resonated with a large majority of the electorate. (2) Clinton's history of corruption, epic failures, and dangerous belligerence turned off many voters and potential voters. (3) Clinton engaged in her usual dysfunctional management practices, e.,g., paranoid secrecy and distrust; playing favorites and keeping obvious incompetents in place or even promoting them; and refusing to alter her ideas and theories even when events prove them disastrously wrong. Before this Slick Willy occasionally stepped in to save her, e.g., restoring her failing senatorial campaign in the nick of time. But this time his magic was gone. The crash and burn of Clinton's campaign suggests what a disaster her presidency would have been.

    I suspect that if the MSM had covered this campaign in an unbiased manner and addressed the issues that both candidates raised, Trump would have won in a landslide. But to do this then or even do an honest post-election analysis of what happened would probably bring down the establishment. It will be decades or more, if ever, before we see a reasonable empirical analysis of this election.

    Excellent comment. (Used up my “agree” vote already.)

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  216. @anonymous
    After eight years of intense debate over what bathroom some sub-tranny category should use I'm fatigued with all that. It's all gotten weirder and weirder even as the SJW Red Guard have been unleashed against the greater society. Now it's time to turn the tables, Stalin purges Trotsky.
    What's with the spelling of the names of some of these writers? Are they hiring people just off the boat? Cheaper labor?

    Your impression matches mine. Hiring writers just off the boat and all ready to start telling us everything that’s wrong with white people.

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  217. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    So when ye medieval monks were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
     
    It was a thought experiment. We do them all the time (imagine all the dollars of the national debt were laid end-to-end, how far would it reach?)

    They were not 'sperging out' because they were observing the incommensurate nature of immaterial beings and the physical world. Angels do not occupy physical space. Not even the smallest of space. Jesus used the same technique with the parable of the grain of the mustard seed.

    Clearly you never attended Sunday School.

    Yours is much better than whatever I said.

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  218. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    and Trump would end up a one-term president.
     
    Well thanks Eeyore. But your relentless pessimism:

    NOTA Nov. 5, 2016 I think 538 reflects about the best available picture of reality. It’s about 2:1 odds in Hillary’s favor.

    is not encouraging.

    Your track record does not show even a glimmer of prescience. Maybe you are on our side. It is difficult to tell, because a high-quality, sinister troll would read exactly the way I read you.

    If you’re trying to figure out what’s likely to happen, “Whose side are you on?” is the wrong question to ask. You want the best available answer to the question, not the one that’s the most loyal to your side.

    Tomorrow there will be some new scheme being pushed to close the racial achievement gap, and my deep skepticism about it won’t be because of whose side I’m on, it will be about knowing something about the IQ distribution across races and how persistent it is.

    Trying to answer questions of fact with questions of loyalty or group identity is a good way to make yourself dumber.

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