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Slate: How to Goodthink About the OJ Simpson Trial: OJ's Acquittal Was "Justice in the Largest Sense"

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The O.J. Simpson murder case was a luridly formative / confirmatory event in the development of the iSteve worldview. There was so much to learn from it. So, it’s interesting to see how 21 years later the goodthinkers at Slate are attempting to assimilate such awkward memories into the Narrative.

The People vs. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story

FX’s mini-series feels as urgent and compelling today as the trial did in 1995.

By Willa Paskin

… As FX’s hugely watchable new miniseries The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story demonstrates, it is the trial of our current century as well. It extends tentacularly into the present moment, when we are once again in the midst of a national reckoning about the intrinsic racism of our police forces, when the NFL is grappling with violence done to and by its players, and when a 24/7 celebrity news culture is dominated by the O.J.-connected Kardashians. Race, sex, violence, fame, football: the live wires of the O.J. trial are still sparking with the same powerful, electrifying charge. The series’ timing is so propitious as to be vertiginous. …

Cochran is a swashbuckling advocate who gets justice in the largest sense—the LAPD was certainly guilty of systemic racism—by aiding a specific injustice and helping a likely murderer go free. Clark and Darden are well-meaning overdogs, ruined by a failure to reckon with the larger backdrop of injustice against which their just cause took place. And then there is O.J., who believing himself to be above the law and race—“I’m not black; I’m O.J.,” he would say—finds himself, like the country that made him, entangled forever with both.

For crimethinkers, however, the O.J. case offered a cornucopia of insights:

- If blacks get themselves all worked up over the putative racist injustices of a particular case, it will probably turn out to be a factual fiasco, just as conspiracy theorists are right a lot less often than conspiracies actually exist.

- One of the more interesting figures in the case was OJ’s attorney Robert Shapiro (played by John Travolta in the show), who by the end, was deeply disturbed that he had facilitated a black man getting away with murdering a Jew with impunity by bringing on Cochran to play what Shapiro called “the race card.” Jewish-black tensions were high in the early 1990s (e.g., the Crown Heights pogrom, the Jewish denunciation of Spike Lee, etc.), but that history has pretty much been shoved down the memory hole.

- As a feminist, civil servant prosecutor Marcia Clark thought that female jurors would side with the murdered woman. As a highly successful racialist lawyer, Johnnie Cochran thought that black jurors would side with the black murderer. So they effectively agreed to pack the jury with black women.

- Black women turned out to be more racist than feminist, just as Cochran assumed.

- Black women feel that white women who steal their men have it coming to them.

- People who can’t get out of jury duty, especially black people who can’t get out of jury duty, aren’t all that bright on average. They are easily bored and baffled by technical testimony, so Cochran’s nursery rhyme was more effective than all the egghead DNA stuff.

- DA Gil Garcetti, the father of the current mayor, pretty much threw the case at the outset by moving the trial from the local courthouse in Santa Monica, where the jury pool would have been mostly bright white liberals, to downtown, which allowed Cochran & Clark to pack the jury with blacks from South-Central.

- The rioters’ threat to the justice system had a lot to do with Garcetti’s decision.

- Career civil servants aren’t as competent as highly paid attorneys who used to be civil servants. The government could have brought back star author and ex-LA prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, but stuck with Clark and Darden.

- The jocksniffing urge among conservative white men does a lot to facilitate black male violence against white women. Nicole Brown Simpson frequently called 911 to report OJ was beating her, but when the LAPD showed up … “Hey, it’s The Juice! Do the Heisman pose, Juice! Can we get a picture with you, Mr. Simpson.” The exception, the one cop who took the female victim’s side, was Mark Fuhrman, but we know how evil he was.

- The Kardashian Klan’s televised antics are an offshoot of the OJ mess. Kris Kardashian Jenner and her daughters figured out the appeal of dangerous black men to lowbrow white and Hispanic women.

- The Caitlyn Jenner whoop-tee-doo of 2015, which the President wanted us to take seriously, has its roots in OJ’s white Bronco run for the Border from Robert Kardashian’s house.

- Rather than a broken man, OJ, currently imprisoned for thuggishness against somebody not wholly undeserving of thuggishness, is more megalomaniacal as ever, telling all the other cons that he’ll marry Kim Kardashian when he gets out of the joint.

 

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  1. The guy whose bar used to get me drunk every day told me he worked at the the restaurant that sold the menu with Fuhrman’s mug on it the day everyone decided to steal it. Chaos.

    Steve said it confirmed his worldview. Raise your hand if it introduced yours.

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  2. “As a feminist, civil servant prosecutor Marcia Clark thought that female jurors would side with the murdered woman. As a highly successful racialist lawyer, Johnnie Cochran that that black jurors would side with the black murderer.”

    Not quite on point. Black women tend to be very irate when successful black men take white girlfriends/wives, and it’s not so much that the black women on the jury sided with the ‘black murderer’, as they felt that Goldman got what she deserved for “stealing one of our men”.

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  3. “FX’s mini-series feels as urgent and compelling today as the trial did in 1995.”

    That’s a strange thing to say. Was the trial of O.J. Simpson conducted as some kind of consciousness-raising event? Did everyone agree that we should have a big, lurid celebrity murder trial in order to have a “conversation about race” and a “teacheable moment”?

    His trial was only an urgent necessity because he made it so by butchering two people.

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  4. Care to expand on how Caitlyn/Bruce attention whoring has its roots in OJs aborted fugitivism?

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  5. “……….as they felt that Goldman got what she deserved for “stealing one of our men”.

    You mean Brown. Goldman was the guy whom O.J. murdered.

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  6. “tentacularly”? “Vertiginous”? What the heck? Who writes this stuff?

    So propitious as to be vertiginous…

    Louisa May Alcott: Never use a complicated word when a simpler one will do just as well.

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  7. “Steve said it confirmed his worldview. Raise your hand if it introduced yours.”

    It had no small influence on the development of my outlook. However, for me, exhibit A was the LA riot of 92′.

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  8. 1/ One of your comments:

    a)- DA Gil Garcetti, the father of the current mayor, pretty much threw the case at the outset by moving the trial from the local courthouse in Santa Monica, where the jury pool would have been mostly bright white liberals, to downtown, which allowed Cochran & Clark to pack the jury with blacks from South-Central.

    isn’t quite fair to your comment about Clark

    b) As a feminist, civil servant prosecutor Marcia Clark thought that female jurors would side with the murdered woman.

    In fact given a), Clark was stuck doing b). What else could she do-try to fill the jury with Black males? Would it have improved the odds for her?

    2/ Its interesting to note all the members of Simpson’s supposed ‘Dream team’ who have completely disappeared from public view, excepting the dead one.

    If they were so great…

    3/ If Joseph Fiennes can play Michael Jackson, who do you suggest for OJ? My pick would be Leonardo DiCaprio :)

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    I wonder if Willa always uses such unusual words (or at least I’m not very familiar with them).

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  10. DA Gil Garcetti, the father of the current mayor, pretty much threw the case at the outset by moving the trial from the local courthouse in Santa Monica, where the jury pool would have been mostly bright white liberals, to downtown, which allowed Cochran & Clark to pack the jury with blacks from South-Central.

    Yeah, I remember Vincent Bugliosi saying in some interview that that was the single worst decision made by the prosecution.

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  11. OT: Matty Y. catching on to Chetty?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/693252608375545856

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  12. “Black women tend to be very irate when successful black men take white girlfriends/wives, and it’s not so much that the black women on the jury sided with the ‘black murderer’, as they felt that Goldman got what she deserved for “stealing one of our men”.”

    Seems like a meaningless distinction. If they believed she got what she deserved then they literally sided with the murderer.

    Ron Goldman was the dude, Nicole Brown Simpson the chic.

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  13. “tentacularly”? “Vertiginous”? What the heck? Who writes this stuff?

    A fan of H. P. Lovecraft? The O.J. trial would make a ripping yarn rewritten from the Lovecraftian viewpoint :-)

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  14. In fact given a), Clark was stuck doing b). What else could she do-try to fill the jury with Black males? Would it have improved the odds for her?

    Fill it with more whites than blacks. Basically jury deliberations in a racialized trial like this are just waiting games until the holdouts cave, and blacks tend to be less willing to spend days sitting in a room in defense of moral principle than whites are.

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  15. Even Google can find fewer than 3 000 instances of tentacularly – and my spell checker has never heard of it.

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  16. At my place of work in Florida, black employees cheered and clapped when the jury announced its not guilty verdict. Whether this meant they believed Simpson to be innocent, or were just expressing racial solidarity, I was never sure. After the event one or two explained to me that Simpson might actually have killed the two victims, but the prosecution had failed to prove its case “beyond reasonable doubt”.

    Of course in the civil trial that followed, the standard of proof was lower and a jury found that Simpson WAS responsible. It has always seemed to me that the subsequent sentencing of Simpson to 33 years in prison for what sounded like a relatively minor act of criminality in recuperating some of his memorabilia which was of disputed ownership and no one was injured was really an act of retaliation by the judiciary.

    As I recall there were no riots or mass protestations of innocence at the time of the verdict by an all-white jury or at his sentencing. In his defense Simpson had argued ” I thought what happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas”, but the jury apparently thought not.

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  17. I confess I felt sorry for Robert Kardashian. My take was that he knew that O.J. was guilty and was surprised when O.J. decided to brazen it out, but wanted him to have a fair trial. As things progressed, Kardashian got more and more horrified but didn’t know how to extricate himself, and when the verdict came down…if you look at Kardashian in the videotape, it seems clear that he is saying to himself, “Holy fuck, I helped this bastard get away with murder!”

    I have no such sympathy for Robert Shapiro, who knew what he was getting into.

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  18. At my place of work in Florida, black employees cheered and clapped when the jury announced its not guilty verdict. Whether this meant they believed Simpson to be innocent, or were just expressing racial solidarity, I was never sure. After the event one or two explained to me that Simpson might actually have killed the two victims, but the prosecution had failed to prove its case “beyond reasonable doubt”.

    Blacks don’t trend towards objectivity, you can’t really expect them to put aside feelings and evaluate the particulars of anything. They are who/whom to the nth degree.

    Then and now, the only real issue to them was “do I want to see another brother go to jail”.

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  19. Katrina introduced mine, then Duke Lacrosse and the Knoxville Horror showed how the media and society at large were complicit. I’m probably a little more junior than most of you, though.

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  20. “Vertiginous”? What the heck? Who writes this stuff?

    I believe I can partially answer this.

    San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich dropped “vertiginous” in a post game interview several weeks ago after the Spurs defeated the Knicks. It made the rounds on basketball-related social media and the author appears to live in NYC.

    As to why a journalist would ever be so inclined as to ape a coach’s gratuitous use of an “SAT word”– I have no idea.

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  21. I remember seeing Marcia Clark in a interview years after the trial and she sounded totally stupid. Feminist and brain-dead, as often happens. A clear case of affirmative action at work. Same for the Japanese judge, Ito, who looked both bored and out of place.

    OJ spent the whole trial making his best impression of “dindu nuffin”.

    As for Mark Fuhrman.. Whatever happened to him? He was the only likable person in that grotesque trial, yet convicted of felony because he once said the dreaded N-word, somewhere, sometime. Not that it had anything to do with the case.

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  22. If Joseph Fiennes can play Michael Jackson, who do you suggest for OJ? My pick would be Leonardo DiCaprio :)

    John Wilkes Booth would have been ideal.

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  23. Not so. Kardashian is also dead, so there’s two dead ones, and the other memorable name–Shapiro–made a fortune founding LegalZoom and before that was a prominent large law firm partner in LA.

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  24. Actually yes, black men would have been better. Jury consultants who worked for the defense showed that black females were the most sympathetic to OJ by far, even more so than black males.

    Marcia Clark should have fought as hard as possible to keep blacks in general off the jury, and black women in particular.

    Instead, as a dopey white feminist she tried to get as many women as possible on the jury, even if it meant adding black women to the jury.

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  25. What, O.J. was of Innsmouth ancestry, Nicole started cheating when she saw him starting to turn, and he only attacked after ensuring through a ritual to Dagon that he would get away with it?

    He was a bit bug-eyed, I guess.

    OK, you need to write this.

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  26. I’m younger, so the redpill moment for me was the Bush-Gore decision.

    Not the way it went, but that it went *exactly* 5-4 along party lines. That’s when I knew everyone was just out for themselves and the world was corrupt.

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  27. So I was working in a bank trading room when this happened: it, of course has wall to wall TV.

    All of the support staff came in from their domain to hear the verdict.

    All the blacks applauded, the whites were astonished.
    It was the first time I’d seriously smelled a race war.

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  28. Yep. It wasn’t just the not guilty verdict, it was that blacks were so gleeful about it and defended it using a perverse logic.. “We’ll talk about OJ when you talk about Emmit Till”.

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    So Shapiro was upset by the death of the Jew but not the beheading of the shiksa?

    According to Torah both were committing deep sin.

    The loverboy Goldman is the least pitiable in the whole sordid mess. But the media made him a victim! Like he was an innocent bystander. He injected himself into that volatile situation. Pun intended. But now Wiki page claims he and the shiksa were “just friends” …wut?!

    In LA and NYC there are a zillion of these young guys ready and willing to schtupp other men’s wives.


    One of the more interesting figures in the case was OJ’s attorney Robert Shapiro (played by John Travolta in the show), who by the end, was deeply disturbed that he had facilitated a black man getting a way with murdering a Jew with impunity by bringing on Cochran to play what Shapiro called “the race card.”

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  30. “At my place of work in Florida, black employees cheered and clapped when the jury announced its not guilty verdict.”

    I was in a piano practice room in a midwest university’s music department when the verdict was read. When I came out into the hall, the white music majors were also cheering and clapping.

    joeyjoejoe

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  31. “Vertiginous”? What the heck? Who writes this stuff?

    I use it, Why don’t you?

    My 20 volume edition of the OED has 600,000 words, English is the richest language in the world, It’s to be celebrated, not diminished.

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  32. Blacks don’t trend towards objectivity, you can’t really expect them to put aside feelings and evaluate the particulars of anything.

    Like this guy.

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    Why didn’t Goldman tell his friends (wikipedia quote) that he was indeed banging the wife?

    Nicole was a high risk player. We all know what she instructed Goldman after every dangerous hookup:

    “You can’t tell anyone about us, baby. O.J. is crazy. He will kill you.”

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  34. Care to expand on how Caitlyn/Bruce attention whoring has its roots in OJs aborted fugitivism?

    Two reasons:

    (1) Kardashian’s name recognition is based on her father, whose Q rating shot up due to his involvement in this trial. Heck, every lawyer’s name on the defense spiked in the national consciousness. For example, for years afterwards, the standard jokes by every black character on every sitcom whenever he encountered the police was “Watch out! I’ll get Johnny Cochran” and “If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit”.

    The Kardashian spawn would not have gotten their initial television show without Kardashian’s spike in household name recognition thanks to his involvement.. After that, they just did “shocking” things one after another to maintain fame, culminating in Jenner pretending to change his gender.

    (2) it demonstrated how a tawdry 24-hour reality-TV show cycle-formula could be profitable.

    Video “real” people + some name recognition + make them due “shocking” things and you get a cheap, reliable ratings machine. Thrown in inter-racial sex + violence (as was the case in OJ) and ratings spike more (how many reality shows now have scenes where characters get drunk and get into fights at bars? it’s about every 3rd commercial for them that I see).

    This is why the Kardashians are such a big hit—they are just recreating the OJ trial formula, minus the murder.

    N.B.: During the trial it became gossip that the white Clark and Christopher Darden, the other prosecutor (who is black), had dated for a while. That helped contribute to the atmosphere of viewers watching, and you can bet Ryan Seacrest (who is the producer of the Kardashians) has seen that black men +white women=ratings. I’m sure he’s got that written down somewhere.

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  35. He occasionally appears on Fox News. When I saw them giving him air time (at least a decade ago), I knew Fox portended meaningful change in the media landscape .

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  36. Keeping in mind that striking jurors for race, or any other protected class membership, is a cardinal no-no in legal ethics. It happens, obviously, but a prosecutor can’t be obvious about it. Also, you only get to strike 3 jurors, so rigging is harder than it may appear. Venue, on the other hand, has a tremendous effect on jury composition.

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  37. As I understood it, the Santa Monica courthouse was not physically suited to holding what obviously would be a very high-profile trial, in part because of some ongoing repairs of earthquake damage. Under the applicable law, if the trial couldn’t be held in Santa Monica it would have to be in the main courthouse downtown, none of the other branch courthouses were an option.

    Peter

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  38. Instead, as a dopey white feminist she tried to get as many women as possible on the jury, even if it meant adding black women to the jury.

    You can certainly say that, again.

    The prosecution was going to go for as many women on the jury as they could as the putative target of the murder was a woman. The defense wouldn’t be carrying out their ethical responsibility to offer the best defense for their client if they didn’t go for as many black persons on the jury as their client is black.

    They ended up with a jury of a large number of black women, which was not only the worst demographic to have sympathy for the estranged white wife of a black man, but also the demographic with the greatest deal of skepticism about the domestic violence narrative.

    The idea was that Mr. Simpson was a beloved celebrity so the prosecution’s job was to portray him as a monster so as to break down this affection for him? So “they”, and especially Marcia Clark played the male-domestic-abuser-turned-murder card.

    I am speculating that the black woman jurors may have had more life experience with abuse in relationships or knew first hand people with such life experience and had a more nuanced view. Is the man an abuser from the outset or is he acting that way in response to outside stress or provocation within the relationship? Can a woman be the abuser in a relationship? If the man is the abuser can there be, in car insurance jargon, proportional fault of the parties?

    Any of those views are crime-think in the white-female-SJW world, so much so that Marcia Clark couldn’t even entertain the thought that her jurors could have possibly been thinking that way.

    If the prosecution had stuck with the blood and the DNA evidence, the smoke and mirrors offered by defense experts notwithstanding, ” Mr. Simpson is popular public figure, but something must have pushed him over the edge because his blood is found comingled with that of the two victims” I think they could have won over the skeptical jurors. This hammering at Mr. Simpson being an abuser and therefore you should conclude he is a murderer rubbed those jurors the wrong way.

    Backup for my theory are the public comments of jurors regarding the use of the N-word. The reasoning was along the lines of “As black people we know that every person, white or black, has uttered the N-word sometime during their lifetime, as black people we don’t like that but we are realists and know that word gets uttered. How stupid does a police officer think we are to defiantly claim that he has never, ever used such language, and if he is lying about this what other lies is he telling?”

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  39. Come on, don’t make it any more difficult: Race trumps gender. PERIOD.

    For the jury members, the fact that OJ was also charged with killing a Jewish person only added a bit to the periphery. Not a deal maker but definitely in the background. As in “I sure ain’t sidin’ with someone who’s ancestors helped enslave our people during slavery times.” Let’s not pretend that blacks aren’t anti-semitic, because they very much are. But that was incidental to the larger narrative of Race trumps gender. Darden of all people should’ve been more aware and alerted the Garcetti to this fact.

    Remember what Cochran said to Darden post-trial. “Don’t worry. One day we’ll let you back into the community.” As in, “the man made you his house slave and you had to do what you had to do, we get that. It’s gonna take time, but one day you will be allowed back into the community again.”

    Kim better watch her back. OJ is just determined to mean what he says.

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  40. -Fuhrman is a frequent Fox News contributor these days. I’m not kidding about that.

    -Ito really lost that trial. He allowed TV cameras (a big no no), and then, when it was obvious that the cameras were causing the circus, he refused to get rid of them.

    The first thing a judge needs is command of the courtroom. Ito let the cameras in and lost control, and the defense took control. He never regained it.

    -As to Clark, she became an Entertainment Tonight “reporter.” I’m not kidding about that, either. That pretty much shows you her level of intelligence and ability.

    Feminists, it should be noted, always way over-estimate the amount of female solidarity that really exists, mostly because they are extrapolating from the very small number of feminists they know, who are either man-hating, extremely masculine lesbians or brittle career gals who think if they just do a few more things in their career, women will all converge and hug them for their work and bow down to them. Both of these categories of women rarely swoon in front of sexy confident men—because they aren’t around such men all that often, for various reasons (choice, career, agoraphobia, etc.)—and so can’t imagine how one confident male leader can overcome female solidarity.

    -Give Johnny Cochran credit: he knew a Billy Flynn-Chicago-style circus would be best for O.J., he created it, he fed it, and he appeared as the ringmaster to the jury.

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  41. The loverboy Goldman is the least pitiable in the whole sordid mess. But the media made him a victim! Like he was an innocent bystander. He injected himself into that volatile situation. Pun intended. But now Wiki page claims he and the shiksa were “just friends” …wut?!

    Waiter at some trendy West LA-area restaurant? Half a generation younger than Ms. Simpson?

    My mom who noticed everything in America and understood very little of it in her old-country ways blurted out “he’s gay!” So yes, Ron Goldman was “in the friend zone” for real and he was the true innocent victim of a murderer enraged by the misperception they were lovers. His aggrieved father knew all of this but could not bring himself to disclose it out of how he wanted the world to remember his son.

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  42. I think the “minor act of criminality” involved brandishing a firearm or firearms. The fact that he had been found liable for killing two people under the lower civil standard of proof may have also entered into it, plus his attitude. As I understand it, to this day he tells fellow inmates he’s going to marry Kim Kardashian when he gets out of jail.

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  43. How does O.J’s fugitive run relate to Bruce/Caitlyn?

    Reading your insight about racially charged female intra-sexual competion on the jury, I wonder if there is also a connection to how most of the Kardashian/Jenner sisters and brother seem to exclusively date black people. As does Kris Jenner since her divorce. I know inter-racial dating is quite normalized in the LA circles they run in, but it seems less like they’re dating assorted races, and more like black people only.

    All of them, even the younger Jenner sisters to an extent, must have grown up with the spectre of the murders and aftermath hanging over their heads, and all the racial-sexual tensions that lay just beneath the surface of the trial. (Does that make sense? I write even worse than Willa Paskin.)

    On the bitchy, uncensored type of gossip forums, there is a running theme that Pimp Mama Kris instilled it in her girls to always pursue black men, because they are dumb and easily manipulated. But I think that’s just gossipy fluff, and that something deeper drives it.

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  44. This is solid documentary on the LA riot of 92. Great footage.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2352539/?ref_=ttep_ep23

    Investigative Reports takes a look at home video footage that provides an up-close view of the April 1992 Los Angeles riots in the wake of the Rodney King Trial.

    *Part 1* (others parts available)

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  45. The O.J. Simpson murder case was a luridly formative / confirmatory event in the development of the iSteve worldview.

    Hard to believe that it took the oj trial to make it clear to Steve and others the nature of AA ‘s

    Having attended Northeast inner city public schools in the 60′s and 70′s I knew them by their deeds long before the OJ trial. These places “enjoyed” the fruit of diversity long before the term was invented. I’ll admit that the open cheering of the verdict by AA’s was surprising even to me. It served to confirm the impossibility of ever achieving racial hamrony

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  47. It’s to be celebrated, not diminished.

    It also can be corrupted, and some of that “richness” is used all too much by the corrupt, as well as the shallow.

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  48. OT, the Black Cold Period has spread to England. The picture is particularly instructive. Apparently, however, £100 M in threatened donation cancellations was enough to stop the madness.

    http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2016/01/panicked-oxford-cancels-completely.html?m=1

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  49. Robert Kardashian (Kim’s father) was OJ’s longtime lawyer and the first person to whom the Juice turned when he realized he was in trouble. The whole family’s fame stems from that.

    I am from California, and was on the East Coast when the murders happened. By coincidence, I was getting ready to drive back west for grad school (in LA) right at that time. I left on Saturday, June, 18th, 1994. The night before, several friends took me out (in DC) for a goodbye party. That was the day of the Bronco chase. We all watched it live from a Georgetown bar.

    I made it to LA. It’s hard to describe the extent to which OJ news dominated the local media market for the next 16 months. It was absolutely public topic #1 and there was no #2.

    BTW, Steve, right after the verdict the Weekly Standard published a piece by Gertrude Himmelfarb (Bill Kristol’s mom) called something like “race trumps gender.” That switched on a light for me.

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  50. As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court found the Florida Supreme Court’s recount decision to be unconsitutional under the equal protection clause by a 7-2 margin. The 5-4 decision was to decide whether to give Florida another chance to get it right or not.

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  51. I never thought Ron Goldman was gay. I figured he and Nicole were having a relationship and he got mixed up in it. I suppose his lifestyle could make him as gay, but it seems just as likely that he was Hollywood/LA metrosexual trying to break into the entertainment industry. Reading his bio the poor guy comes off as a bit of an aimless flake.

    Other crimethought that I picked up from Jeff Toobin’s book:

    College athletics are an academic sham. OJ was at most semi literate.

    Women will put up with thuggish men.

    News reporters can be too credulous/puritan. Toobin was shocked that Nicole Brown and her sister Denise had breast implants but not college degrees. Why would she want to go to college? She had a famous husband and money.

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  52. Yes, I’ve always wondered about Goldman. He didn’t look the part of lover-boy, more like the gay hair- dresser friend of Nichole’s. Which goes to show OJ is dumb a brick. He most likely got the wrong man.

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  53. The ghost of WFB Jr!

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  54. Ar my place of work at an investment bank there was quite an opposite reaction.

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  55. Ron Goldman struck me as another young person who moves to California, hoping to translate looks into acting. When they find out how competitive it is the end up working in the service industry while trying to find bit parts or do commercials. And a whole lot of them aren’t particularly bright or 4-year college material.

    When OJ met Nicole she fit this description to a “T” – she was a waitress herself at a trendy nightclub.

    These types of folks are a continuous feed for the California porn industry, or for reality TV shows like “Fear Factor” which never had any fat or average looking participants because they could tap into an endless supply of attractive 25 year-olds willing to eat bugs to get on TV.

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  56. Fuhrman: “If the slur fit, you must squelch it!”

    Here’s a NSFW (Not suggested for whiners) commentary on pc-society’s mangled priorities, by Dr. John Cooper Clarke, entitled, “The Title Appears at the End of Each Subsequent Verse with Monotonous Regularity”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTObCKSkaBs (<2 minutes)

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  57. Still, maybe you can take some comfort in knowing the 5 got it right. Recounts months later done by the two major newspapers in FL, one left leaning, one right leaning, showed Bush did indeed beat Gore.

    It’s sad to think that was our choice, Bush/Gore.

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  58. You should read Faye Resnick’s book. In it she states that she and Nicole were pals as far as going out to party, looking for guys etc. She states that her and Goldman were not dating, because Nicole hadn’t known him very long when they both died (at most a few weeks) but that Nicole’s pattern post-divorce from OJ, was to date just about anyone who came along. So while she makes it clear that they both weren’t in a relationship, she believed it was only a matter of time before she and Goldman would’ve been lovers.

    “Women will put up with thuggish men”.

    Up to a point. Evidently even Nicole had a breaking point and didn’t want to get bashed up for the thousandth and first time which is why she finally left.

    Funny thing, is that had she lived, Nicole Brown had a good chance of landing her own reality show a la “The wives of OC”; or C-list celebrities type of thing, perhaps even appearing on shows with other jilted wives/women living their own lives.

    “Why would she want to go to college? She had a famous husband and money.”

    Finish the sentence. Because she got a divorce and what was she going to do the rest of her life? What was she up to the last yr of her life, aside from partying with Faye Resnik, and looking for boyfriends? Once she was divorced, she wasn’t guaranteed the several million dollar lifestyle that being “Mrs. OJ” afforded her. One biography of her basically describes her as an aimless affable ditz, to be honest, where she once stated in her early twenties “I hope to have some goals and a plan for my life one day.” Shame it never fully occurred to her that she’d have to grow up and figure that out. After all, once her looks would start to fade she would’ve been dumped by OJ anyway and then no more fancy lifestyle.

    But since she was the one that made the break and left him, it was a total blow to his ego and pride.

    Its almost like, had she lived, she would’ve faded into reality show or infomercial obscurity.

    Speaking of aimless flakes, what ever became of Kato Kaelin? Now there was a real character to say the least.

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  59. Women ***want*** thuggish men. Fixed it for you. Re the Kardashian Black men formula, its entertainment for most White women. Women like their men dumb and violent, Black men have the cartel on that one.

    The Kardasians are an example of there being an actual victor and not much fraternization in the war of the sexes. Women love them, men hate them, among Whites at least.

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  60. Strangely enough, I have yet to meet a black lesbian who didn’t despise O. J. Simpson. Maybe Marcia Clark could have packed the jury with angry, man-hating black lesbians and got a totally different verdict.

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  61. Funny thing, is that had she lived, Nicole Brown had a good chance of landing her own reality show a la “The wives of OC”; or C-list celebrities type of thing, perhaps even appearing on shows with other jilted wives/women living their own lives.

    Were those types of reality shows even proliferating yet in the mid 1990s? Even reality shows were fairly tame until the last 6-7 years or so.

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  63. What, all four of them? And they don’t all live in LA either.

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  64. - Black women feel that white women who steal their men have it coming to them.

    So the difference between black women and white men is that black women are free to say what they really think?

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  65. Hold it, hold it. When OJ met Nicole around 1976, he had just turned thirty and she was about 18 just out of high school. Basically before she had to make any difficult decisions about her life like having a plan, goals, what to do with life, etc etc. he made that decision for her by showering her with loads of attention. Had a young Joe Montana done the same thing she would’ve jumped at the chance to be with him as well. In other words she didn’t have the full maturity to make a decision about what to do long term with her life, and then OJ came along and made her decision all that much easier: Be a trophy GF, then wife of a famous athlete/entertainer. In SoCal, then as now, perhaps few women wouldn’t turn that offer down. Its not like Nicole had her designs on a young Bill Gates/Mark Zuckerberg/Steve Jobs type of that era. Hooking up with a famous athlete, for a lot of women, apparently is a pretty good gig.

    Kinda like winning the lottery of life.

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  66. I never understood how shocked people are by this kind of shit.

    Goldman was running around with another man’s wife…..

    He was asking for it…..any time you screw another man’s wife you run this risk….in some countries its considered duty to kill a cheating wife.

    White American women are spoiled beyond belief..,

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  67. Uh, yes. Exactly.

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  68. “CSI” premiered in October, 2000. Would like to think the proliferation of DNA evidence as depicted in and “CSI” and its various progeny would make a difference. But problem remain that if you are productive human being you will fight with every means possible to avoid jury duty. Nobody with an ounce of sense wants to waste weeks on e d dealing with the delays and pointless minutiae of a felony criminal trial. And worse that that, African-Americans lie habitually during voir dire about their views on cops and race. And sadly in too many urban jurisdictions soft-headed liberal district attorneys don’t want to confront nor acknowledge that and might even agree with it.

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  69. Misspent some of my youth as first an ADA in a NYC borough, followed by a few years of doing some criminal defense work. If I was prosecuting, I tried to get jurors who on the basis of race alone would not be sympathetic to the defendant, tried to get as many working class whites as possible and avoid white bleeding heart liberals above all.If I was defending, did the exact opposite. And expecting such challenges in either situation always had a race neutral explanation why I was challenging a prospective juror based on what ever they said in the judge’s general questions and the questions I and the other side asked the jurors.

    In the immortal words of Jonathan Stuart Lebowitz, “There are 2 kinds of people; those who know OJ did it, and idiots”.

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  70. Actually, I knew the country had gone mad in March ’91, when the L.A. Times ran a front page article about MECHA claiming it was “racism” that the Dodgers were releasing Fernando Valenzuela, with his 18.50 spring E.R.A.

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  71. I was one the only person in my circle who predicted OJs aquittal. I asserted quite seriously that if video surfaced of OJ committing the murder the jurors would quite eagerly accept the defense’s naked assertion that the video was part of a racist frame-up. OJ would be acquitted under any circumstances. All of this was crystal clear to me on the day that it was announced the trial would be moved downtown and what that meant in terms of the jury pool. The only thing astonishing about the verdict was white America’s astonishment. I could hardly fathom the extraordinary naïveté and ignorance of the racial hostility of black Americans to white Americans. It was payback time. Picking black men for the jury or excluding evidence of OJs abusive behavior would have been irrelevant to the primary issue to the black jurors; tipping the scales of racial justice.

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  72. I saw the mass black cheering in person as well.

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  73. Uh, you do know that Nicole had been divorced from OJ for over a year when she died. You do know that, correct?

    No, guess apparently you don’t.

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  74. Clark and Darden were incompetent. The prosecution deserved to lose after it had Simpson try to put on the glove. Cochran’s rhyme was a negro kind of brilliance.

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  75. Why are smart dudes so lazy about this formula? Have you ever picked up a chick? Did you act really stupid to do it?

    I think the problem is most smart guys have never actually much been around stupid people. If you can speak in paragraphs women do not ignore you, unless your nebbish, which is the point/joke of Woody Allen’s life.

    I was on the front page of Washington Post for six months when I was sixteen and have spent over four years in prison. I’ve never gotten a girl because of that fact. Of course one time a model told me I was the most gorgeous man she’d ever met. Plus I have a really cool scar. But why do they like me? Because I speak to them in the fluency with which you can write, which is really well.

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  76. OT: A new entry in the clickbait genre of obviously-absurd PC statements. I post it here for your amusement, but did not reward it with a click.

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  77. OT2: Apparently the Brits are all in a tizzy over PM Cameron’s far-right racist-fascist-Nazi KKK hate speech, in which he used the phrase (get near your fainting couch) “bunch of migrants.”

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  78. I never understood how shocked people are by this kind of shit.
    He was asking for it…..any time you screw another man’s wife you run this risk….in some countries its considered duty to kill a cheating wife.

    Well, this is Anglo-America, not Latin America. One likes to think that even Blacks have moved beyond “private justice”

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  79. I attended a 70% black elementary school and grew up in a largely black neighborhood. My “worldview” on these matters has remained essentially unchanged since then. Despite being very young and inexperienced during the OJ trial, I never doubted for a moment that he would walk when I saw the jury pool demographics. I couldn’t believe the fact that the “mature” white adults around me thought otherwise.

    But I don’t really hold it against blacks. I just accept them for who they are, and wonder what’s wrong with the people who insist that they are not.

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  80. The trial could have been held in the downtown Criminal Courts Building while also calling a Westside jury pool.

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  81. Was O.J. Simpson simply the first black NFL thug? While the league pretends to deplore incidents of players battering or even killing their wives and girlfriends it realizes such behavior is not unusual amongst the hoodrat class it recruits from.

    Maybe the league was able to keep these kind of incidents quiet a generation or two ago or owners were still able to enforce minimum standards of conduct. Growing up I recall players getting arrested for disorderly conduct or DUI on occasion but incidents of rape, murder and domestic battery escaped my notice as did players being arrested for brawling at strip clubs.

    If the NCAA winked at academic standards for football players, schools and coaches could be very strict as far as personal conduct rules were concerned. Getting kicked off your team in college did not make you particularly sought after in the NFL draft.

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  82. I’ve never trusted black women. They all are partially deaf as that can be the only explanation why they yell at each other while standing only a foot or so from each other.

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  83. The O.J. Simpson murder case was a luridly formative / confirmatory event in the development of the iSteve worldview.

    And not just the iSteve worldview. I have long believed that the Simpson murder trial, beginning with the nationally televised white bronco chase, marked the decisive moment when the news media came into their own as the shapers of public thought and the priest-purveyors of infotainment-propaganda, and therefore at the same time a substantial change was wrought at the most fundamental level of our culture.

    Up until that point we were still a nation of civilized adults. Despite whatever social problems may have existed, the heart and soul of the historic American nation was still salvageable. After OJ, it was just a matter of time until it all fell apart.

    I was only 13 at the time, but I remember feeling that something I had known and believed in was fading away. The three big events of that year—the OJ Simpson trial, the death of Nixon, and the Oklahoma city bombing—will forever mark for me the transition from feeling like I belonged to something to feeling like an outsider in my own country.

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    Steve, you made some pretty tough and trenchant points, but from an evolutionary biology perspective the attraction which you state that white and Hispanic women have ‘dangerous’ black men seems controversial.

    Although its definitely unPC to say it, the gender gap in physical strength between males and females is enormous. Now, a deep seated fear that must be in the back of the mind of every woman is the possibility that ‘her’ man could turn nasty and kill her or her children.
    Perhaps physical strength and ‘dominance’ are appealing characteristics to women, but I very much doubt that ‘dangerous’ in the sense of psychopathy and unpredictability are appealing.

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  85. You beat me to it!

    A phrase like ‘so propitious as to be vertiginous’ is like a little red light that appears on your belief-dashboard. It means, to the educated, that the piece you are reading is, to use a technical term, shit, and need be considered no further.

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  86. The Kardashian thing for black guys is more like a TV fantasy, like the various male equivalents on TV like being a crab fisherman in the Bering Sea or whatever.

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  87. Kris Kardashian Jenner and her daughters figured out the appeal of dangerous black men to lowbrow white and Hispanic women.

    Seems like there are a lot of “white males” who find the black male/White women combo very appealing. Even if they hate it they still fixate on it.

    Including on this site.

    is more megalomaniacal as ever, telling all the other cons that he’ll marry Kim Kardashian when he gets out of the joint.

    Is there any evidence for this claim or are you just retelling a 20? year old falsehood?

    Cochran is a swashbuckling advocate who gets justice in the largest sense—the LAPD was certainly guilty of systemic racism—by aiding a specific injustice and helping a likely murderer go free.

    Gets justice in the largest sense? What does that mean?

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  88. As Bill Maher pointed out to Kim K., “your father started a proud Kardashian tradition: getting black men off.”

    I don’t know if this originated with Maher, but it’s not half bad.

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  89. when I was sixteen and have spent over four years in prison. I’ve never gotten a girl because of that fact.

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with this “Whiskey” person. Don’t expect rationality and realism from him when it comes to either White women or Jews.

    My characterization of him is that he “Blames the White women and Excuses the Jews”.

    In his world view all White women “hate hate hate” normal White men and only want black males and Charlie Sheen. I kid you not!

    It’s his rationale for his nerdiness and virgin status. Women hate hate hate him because he’s too nice, too much of a representative of WESTERN CIVILIZATION!!!

    Instead they only want black men, thugs and an African culture of alpha male dominance. Then he reinforces it with unrepresentative examples of female behavior – “see another women with a thug boyfriend….PROOF!!!!

    He then writes bizarre, over protective rants about Jews and their enemies that would make Allen Dershowitz and Abe Foxman sound like Islamic radicals by comparison.

    He gets around to this over and over and over again. The same obsessive compulsive disorder fixation on a false belief combined with his aspergers and probable Christian churchy background leading to his hyper judeophilia.

    “Whiskey” is a case study in White male sexual paranoia and self deception as a deformed coping strategy for a troubled personal life.

    It informs EVERYTHING HE WRITES ABOUT!

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    But Steve, I still don’t get it.
    Believe me there is *nothing* in this world worse than being trapped in a situation with a violent, aggressive, psychopath many times stronger and meaner than yourself – and in particular when you feel that the life/happiness of your children are threatened.
    A lot of guff is written about ‘female intuition’, but, perhaps, ‘female intuition’ has a biological value if it enables women to avoid violent psychopathic men. I’ve always taken it that ‘female intuition’ refers to a real or supposed attribute women have for reading character ‘at a glance’. Therefore I would expect psychopaths to be the most repulsive men as far as women are concerned. Then again, I might be wrong, as I freely admit that nothing about women makes sense -’an opinion confirmed by Freud.

    As for ‘crab fishing in the Bering strait’, yes a ‘call of the wild’ fantasy, but not a real and concrete threat to life and happiness.

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  91. Yeah but the point is that because of the racial make up of the area the jury pool was selected from, there aren’t going to be many white jurors to choose from.

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  92. For a time a great bulwark against the media/academia effort to paint the ’92 riots as a “political uprising” was the sheer # of people living close enough to the event to have either witnessed it or at least seen the local TV newscasts; several years later, now living in New England I remember the first time hearing an East Coast native refer to the riots as such & involuntarily laughing at him, because no one back in Southern California could do the same in everyday conversation with a straight face. For O.J. my most vivid association with the — extremely protracted — saga was that it was a media circus and too low-rent even for LAPD-hating liberals to appraise as a civil rights milestone. I may be overreacting, in light of the near-parodically SWPL flavor of the site pushing this Cochran-Sheck-Dershowitz heroism gloss, but I fear that Internet journo-propaganda is outrunning folk memory. Either that or idiocracy has sped up since O.J. went to jail (nobody was weeping then).

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  93. It’s one thing when English has the exact word needed to convey a thought precisely; it’s quite another when an uncommon word is used inappropriately.

    The series’ timing is so propitious as to be vertiginous.

    This is probably an example of an author trying too hard to impress the reader: “I may be writing about a TV miniseries about the OJ Simpson trial, but I’m a real writer. Honest.” However, it could also be an attempt to mock the OJ episode’s seriousness.

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  94. SCOTUS didn’t have a lot of great options there. You can make either “liberal” or “traditionalist” for kicking it back to Fla. legislature (where one candidate’s brother could play the last card) but stopping the recounts was the pragmatic move regardless of ideological purity & consistent with recognizing the inevitable. No deep ramifications to that one, just another nuisance case.

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  95. For good looking working class women, here in blighty, the aim is to find a footballer to marry. The only men with money who are also on the same intellectual level.

    The golden ticket is to be a WAG.

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  96. Translation- women often like charming jerks.

    But, even at that, women often love “witty” (i.e. predictably sarcastic) gay guys or quasi-gay guys, and love spending time with them, but that doesn’t translate into sex, probably much to the dismay of the witty non-gay guys.

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  97. This. The p.o.s. DA Garcetti Sr. could have tried it at any courthouse in the statewide system but by droit du signeur he opted out of using a Brentwood jury. Actually he was scared like a little bitch that someone in the media would hang “Simi Valley” around his neck. The four-quadrant poochscrew torched his career of course though strangely not the family name (after runoffs). On another note did Bruno Magli ever recover their good brand?

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  98. Could you please hum a few bars of ‘Okie from Muskogee’ for us? Thanks, Mr. Haggard.

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  99. More than 7 hour long document on the O.J. case starring Vincent Bugliosi is on You Tube.

    Part 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9F90DHsOdg

    Part 2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXgpGt11Ycw

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  100. Toobin was shocked that Nicole Brown and her sister Denise had breast implants but not college degrees.

    That speaks well of the sisters: they understood that a woman’s chance for fulfillment in life are greatly enhanced by a spectacular chest, not so much by a college degree.

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  101. That was a last straw event for me. I have commented before that had the Florida officials not stopped the re-counts at a point where Bush was ahead, the SCOTUS would have ordered as many recounts as necessary to give Bush the lead. If you can’t see this, then you don’t understand reality.

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  102. White girls just don’t get it. They may have p-whipped WHITE men, but black men and Muslim men are much more traditional. Women are property. They have no right to cheat. They have no right to leave. They have no right to backtalk or get uppity.

    This is a particular problem for unaware white girls. It is a huge status boost for a black man to score a fine white girl. Conversely, it is a huge status destroyer for her to leave or cheat. White girls are playing with fire if they think they can mess around with a brutha like they do some white man.

    Status is a very precarious thing in an honor culture, and a deadly thing when threatened.

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  103. Seems like there are a lot of “white males”

    I’m a Joo but the quotes are freaking offensive. That’s how Yugoslavia-type scenarios start. Be respectful.

    Gets justice in the largest sense? What does that mean?

    Why are you asking him? Steve was quoting from Slate. Reading comprehension and keeping track of who said what is not your thing, is it?

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  104. Do we know the actual views of Robert Shapiro – rather than those of his character in the mini-series?

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    But I don’t really hold it against blacks. I just accept them for who they are, and wonder what’s wrong with the people who insist that they are not.

    If you take this approach you can work and socialize effectively with blacks. Just recognize them for who they really are.

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  106. This is true crime, not a zombie movie.

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  107. I always thought Lovecraftese should be called Eibonics.

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  108. Stranger than any fiction. I hope that there is some indelible record (stone tablets, perhaps) of this bizarre episode. In a thousand or two years, we definitely want the historians/archaeologists/anthropologists to be able to see precisely the madness we fell in the thrall of.

    Juice marries Kim? Yeah, that could happen. We’d watch it, too.

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  109. Mr. Sailer:

    Re “Robert Shapiro (played by John Travolta in the show), who by the end, was deeply disturbed that he had facilitated a black man getting away with murdering a Jew with impunity ”

    OK, he did make some noises to that effect, probably to address the criticism from his own people. I’ll bet the rabbi gave him an earful.

    But he didn’t return his fee.

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  110. Disagree. I work with one (OK, anecdote is not data, but she is the only black lesbian I regularly converse with), and she firmly believes that OJ was innocent and that the whole case was a frame-up, with blood evidence planted by Mark Fuhrman.

    Apparently, her dislike of whites is stronger than her dislike of men. Logic don’t enter into it.

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  111. Thank you, Mr. Fuller. Your comment was truly tentacular.

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    The exception, the one cop who took the female victim’s side, was Mark Fuhrman, but we know how evil he was.

    It’s fair to say that Mark Fuhrman took the female victim side not out of sympathy for the female victim but because he hated blacks.

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  113. The Rodney King trial must have had a lot to do with Simpson’s acquittal, and the anger at the verdict in the King case was largely due to media manipulation of the evidence, i.e. the way the edited tape of the beating was shown again and again for a year on TV before the trial. As soon as the news came that the trial venue was to be moved to Santa Monica, blacks must have been savouring the prospect of revenge, as the King trial had also been moved to a location more favourable to the defendants. I don’t think I’d like to be a Santa Monica juror who got OJ a death sentence.

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  114. Fill it with more whites than blacks. Basically jury deliberations in a racialized trial like this are just waiting games until the holdouts cave, and blacks tend to be less willing to spend days sitting in a room in defense of moral principle than whites are.

    Until the blacks play the Race Card, then all the squishy California whites fold like cheap suits.

    After the event one or two explained to me that Simpson might actually have killed the two victims, but the prosecution had failed to prove its case “beyond reasonable doubt”.

    There’s a requisite threshold of intellect for a jury system to function properly. Or, garbage in, garbage out. The black reaction to the verdict showed that it was not a fluke, but a function of blacks’ qualities.

    Of course in the civil trial that followed, the standard of proof was lower and a jury found that Simpson WAS responsible. It has always seemed to me that the subsequent sentencing of Simpson to 33 years in prison for what sounded like a relatively minor act of criminality in recuperating some of his memorabilia which was of disputed ownership and no one was injured was really an act of retaliation by the judiciary.

    Sort of like how the Academy supposedly gave Denzel an Award for a role that didn’t deserve it, as payment for one that did, but wasn’t recognized at the time.

    As I recall there were no riots or mass protestations of innocence at the time of the verdict by an all-white jury or at his sentencing.

    Well, attention spans…

    Katrina introduced mine, then Duke Lacrosse and the Knoxville Horror showed how the media and society at large were complicit. I’m probably a little more junior than most of you, though.

    Mine was 9/11.

    Not the way it went, but that it went *exactly* 5-4 along party lines. That’s when I knew everyone was just out for themselves and the world was corrupt.

    ? Currently only Republicans are going after Hillary for Benghazi and Emailgate; the question isn’t why they’re going after her, but why the Democrats aren’t.

    “We’ll talk about OJ when you talk about Emmit Till”.

    IQ is linked to morality; how stupid do you have to be to not notice that “we” talk about Emmit Till constantly, and had for decades before the OJ murders?

    So Shapiro was upset by the death of the Jew but not the beheading of the shiksa?

    According to Torah both were committing deep sin.

    Somehow I doubt religion had much to do with it. More like race.

    Ar my place of work at an investment bank there was quite an opposite reaction.

    The whites all cheered and the blacks looked on dumbfounded?

    Once she was divorced, she wasn’t guaranteed the several million dollar lifestyle that being “Mrs. OJ” afforded her.

    Yojimbo, meet California divorce law. California divorce law, this is Yojimbo.

    Women ***want*** thuggish men. Fixed it for you.

    I guess Brown left OJ because he stopped beating her. And obviously OJ being rich had nothing to do with anything.

    White American women are spoiled beyond belief

    Yeah, where’d she get the idea she could divorce a man who beat her on a regular basis? And then sleep with someone else? The nerve. Allahu Akbar.

    The only thing astonishing about the verdict was white America’s astonishment.

    It wasn’t astonishing at all. Without direct experience, or information exchange, people project as a matter of course. Fish assume everything breathes water, and people assume other people share their moral universe. Most whites either have little or no experience with blacks, or rationalize their experience avoiding blacks with “good neighborhoods” and such. And whites have been on lockdown for a long time vis-a-vis speaking the truth about blacks, so word of mouth (fuggedabout other media of exchange) doesn’t help. In short, many whites were actually learning something about blacks at the time.

    The prosecution deserved to lose after it had Simpson try to put on the glove.

    They were too stupid to hire an expert to show them how to pull on a tight-fitting glove easily, then take it off, then become “unable” to pull it on again, because of some silly “trick” he’s doing with his hand. ‘Course the blacks on the jury all wanted to be able to pretend they’d been fooled.

    I attended a 70% black elementary school and grew up in a largely black neighborhood. My “worldview” on these matters has remained essentially unchanged since then. Despite being very young and inexperienced during the OJ trial, I never doubted for a moment that he would walk when I saw the jury pool demographics. I couldn’t believe the fact that the “mature” white adults around me thought otherwise.

    But I don’t really hold it against blacks. I just accept them for who they are, and wonder what’s wrong with the people who insist that they are not.

    The fact that you have had far more experience with blacks than most whites hasn’t occurred to you as decisive?

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  115. I don’t think I’d like to be a Santa Monica juror who got OJ a death sentence.

    Speak for yourself.

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  116. Perhaps physical strength and ‘dominance’ are appealing characteristics to women, but I very much doubt that ‘dangerous’ in the sense of psychopathy and unpredictability are appealing.

    Yes, mirabu dictu, however much people may look, may long, may seem to endeavor, glued to reality tv, for the company of psychopaths, God is said to take care of fools and drunks — and somehow most people go to their graves by other means than being offed by a spousal psycho. No disrespect meant towards the unfortunates that do.

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  117. As Nicholas Stix has written, black support was not due to doubt of Simpson’s guilt, but the certainty of it.

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  118. Kim’s sister Kourtney, by the way, has more or less stayed with her baby daddy, white man Scott Disick.

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  119. Presumably he’d have to kill Kanye first.

    And then, if history is any indication, Kim herself would end up cold and pale before too long….

    …is there a GoFundMe for his appeals?

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  120. Absolutely.

    In high school, we had a black female from FACTER (Flint Area Council to End Racism) come in and speak to us.

    I forget the context but, at one point, one of Obama’s sons told her that, after he watched the film Amistad, he wanted to punch the first white person he saw.

    What was this “anti-racist” female’s response?

    Was it: “that would have been racist”

    or

    “you shouldn’t blame people for what other people who kind of looked like them did centuries ago”?

    Of course not.

    She said, literally just like you said “don’t do that; we don’t need another brother in jail.”

    That was my first real indication that justice, to blacks, is spelled Just Us.

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  121. Perhaps physical strength and ‘dominance’ are appealing characteristics to women, but I very much doubt that ‘dangerous’ in the sense of psychopathy and unpredictability are appealing.

    Strength/dominance are often a package deal with psychopathy/unpredictability.

    People tend to hide their worst characteristics when getting to know someone. And often infatuation blinds a person to the flaws of their romantic interest even when said interest makes little attempt to conceal said flaws.

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  122. I watched a good deal of the OJ trial and recall that many White SJW commentators predicted a conviction because the trial was a test of the Black jury’s and Black community’s capacity for justice and social responsibility … and they would come through. Of course, they failed miserably.

    As I recall, the seniment of many Blacks interviewed after the trial was that, even if OJ was guilty, no more Black men prosecuted by a White power structure should go to prison, period! Besides, we can assume, he killed White people … and White people who suffer violence at the hands of Black people deserve it because ALL WHITES share COLLECTIVE GUILT for the plight of Black people in White America. Back then, this had the same import and appeal as the case today of reparations for Blacks to make amends for “White privilege” decades before that term became current.

    The case for collective suffering to make amends for collective guilt actually has a broader appeal than you might think. For example, Angela Merkel appears to accept that ALL GERMANS share COLLECTIVE GUILT for what the Nazis did to the Jews so that their current suffering in the face of foreign invasion is justified. Come on! At some point the collective guilt can reach such proportions that the perpetrators should commit suicide to balance the scales of justice. Faced with that, what’s wrong with a few murders and sexual assaults in the balance of things? Perhaps this is jumping the gun a bit … but, the the end of the day, justice is done … both in the OJ case and in the ongoing Islamic invasion of Germany.

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  123. Whatever. I’d do as many recounts as needed. Might as well know who the real President is and not have any question of legitimacy.

    Not that there are any deep ramifications. The question was ‘what incident crystallized your worldview’, and that was it for me. The whole OJ thing just struck me as another media circus.

    Also, having grown up in NYC pre-Giuliani, it was already obvious to me black people didn’t like white people very much.

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  124. Shapiro got criticism from the community, too. I saw him at a Laker game a year after the trial where people booed and hissed as he walked to his seat.

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  125. Alan Dershowitz, in contrast, was unrepentant. How is he portrayed in the mini-series?

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  126. I can remember the trial, the riot and the aftermath. The MSM encouraged and excused the riots which occurred for no reason other than black people wanted free stuff.

    Clark was given the case because she had won a previous case with black female jurors and played the same feminist trope. Darden was a dim bulb who was only there because he was black.

    Did Steve mention pompous blowhard F.Lee Baily with his smarmy fake-friendly cross-exam of Furhman. “Marine to Marine” did you ever say the word N*****?

    There was Jewish Judge on Larry King who throughout the trial kept saying the black jury would never convict. I thought he was crazy and tuned him out. I laughed at J. Cochran’s silly closing speech. When the jury had a quick deliberation, I thought “Of course, he’s guilty”. The Not guilty verdict was one the biggest surprises of my life. Changed my view of poor blacks forever.

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  127. “Apparently the Brits are all in a tizzy”

    No, it’s just the usual leftist suspects. Just as they did when Mrs Thatcher said people were worried about being swamped with immigrants.

    The week after Cameron nailed Corbyn on the bunch of immigrants, his poll lead over Labour was YUGE. And he didn’t apologise – very important.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/12127851/David-Camerons-ministers-take-biggest-poll-lead-over-Labour-rivals-since-records-began.html

    The Conservatives have taken their biggest lead over Labour on which party has the best team of leaders since records began, according to a survey by Ipsos Mori. When asked which of the parties has the best team of leaders to deal with the country’s problems, 43 per cent of Britons say the Conservatives, with 16 per cent choosing Labour. This is an increase of 9 points for the Conservatives and a fall of 7 points for Labour since June 2014.

    Also OT but in a similar vein, “the men don’t know but the female guardian columnist understands” – Marina Hyde in the Guardian can’t get that monster out of her mind:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/29/republican-race-donald-trump-lose-victory-rivals#comments

    “Even those who regard the Trump ascendancy as beyond horrifying cannot help but be mesmerised by how he’s doing it….I find it fairly apocalyptic, yet cannot look away.

    Trump never apologises; obviously he never explains. He doubles down. ”

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  128. The other surprise of the trial – for me – was seeing how smart the LA Dectectives were. Furhman, Van adder and Lang came off as very articulate on the stand. I didn’t realize that so many smart guys became Police Detectives.

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    I was at a small gift shop when the verdict came down. Present were the white lady owner, me and my wife and the two sales clerks, middle-aged Tex-Mex ladies (they spoke English to one another – one with a slight accent, the other unaccented). Elizabeth the owner and my wife and I were surprised, no, amazed when Carole and Emilia let out whoops of approbation at the verdict:
    OJ innocent. Sociologically, I should mention that Carole and Emilia were convinced that Obama was a Moslem and that Carole was a fanatical Elvis worshipper who had visited Elvis-land in Memphis more than once and spent her lunch breaks reading romance novels. I report this in the spirit that anecdote is the singular of data. Perhaps some iSteve commenter might explain these phenomena.

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  130. Pat, I did well with women when I was younger and I am not particularity good looking. I found that the fastest way into a girl’s pants was through her ears. Wit works.

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  131. “jocksniffing” – I learned a new word today. Like it has been argued on this blog it really helps to have the right concepts and vocabulary to understand the world. When there is a word for it you know you are not the only one who has seen something.
    Apart from that I think jocksniffing among white males does not only facilitate interracial violence but also interracial dating.

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  132. “I forget the context but, at one point, one of Obama’s sons told her that, after he watched the film Amistad, he wanted to punch the first white person he saw.”

    Just wait til he sees Birth of a Nation

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  133. +10

    But you can say whatever you want, it’s just a matter of consequences.

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  134. I was on the front page of Washington Post for six months when I was sixteen and have spent over four years in prison. I’ve never gotten a girl because of that fact.

    Try bragging about it more, old Sport.

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  135. I think smart is better than dumb ceteris paribus. But intelligence is just not a very important factor

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  136. “People who can’t get out of jury duty, especially black people who can’t get out of jury duty, aren’t all that bright on average.”

    Meh, sometimes. So long as it’s not interfering with anything important at work or at home I find it interesting – certainly not nearly as boring as 90% of what’s on television. I know two people who’ve been jurors on murder trials, and while it seems like it would be interesting, the burden of making the judgment of guilty or not guilty seems like it would be especially hard to bear.

    The problem with being a juror in the OJ trial is that it was quite clear that it was going to be a life-sucking media circus from day one. How many months did the damn trial last? Seems like it was forever. Unless you have the talent for turning that experience into a book, not many people want to get sucked into that.

    Besides, the jury selection experts were looking for dumb, racist people who could be easily manipulated into believing what clearly happened somehow did not. Not surprisingly, that’s exactly who they got.

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  137. I remember some study came out and was publicized about how they determined that blacks had better/more sensitive hearing on average than non-blacks.

    I just laughed. Everyone has experienced blacks driving by with their car radios turned up to unbelievable decibels and their penchant for screaming and yelling to make a point. I think who ever wrote up that study was high when they did the testing.

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  138. was really an act of retaliation by the judiciary.

    Nullification of jury nullification. A double negative equals a positive.

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  139. “Seems like there are a lot of “white males” who find the black male/White women combo very appealing. Even if they hate it they still fixate on it. Including on this site.”

    Eh? I don’t see much fixation on this site over that.

    I never paid much attention to such women. If they were dating low-class black men then I regarded such women as beneath me, anwyay, so I never cared who they dated, so long as it wasn’t me. With regards to the quality of a woman, black men were like radioisotopes.

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  140. It is often forgotten that a notable minority of whites claimed at the time to believe that he was innocent. That 21% has surely dwindled down to 0 in the years since.

    http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-06/poll_race/oj_poll_txt.html

    Guilt/innocence question:

    Whites – 62% Guilty, 21% Not Guilty

    Blacks – 14% Guilty, 66% Not Guilty

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  141. There are a decent number of white or quasi-white (Asian, middle-class Hispanic) people in the vicinity of downtown LA, especially 20 years ago.

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  142. At my place of work in Florida, black employees cheered and clapped when the jury announced its not guilty verdict.

    I was out at lunch with two black coworkers (high-level professionals, former military officers) when the verdict came out and was played over the overhead TVs. My two coworkers were visibly upset, went silent, and appeared to be embarrassed.

    On the other hand, I remember seeing plenty of news clips where (mostly young) White people were cheering the verdict. (I think that reaction may have been an act, in part, to assuage their White guilt and to curry favor with blacks.)

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  143. It was a stupid move. Notice that he tried to put the glove on over a latex glove which would restrict the free movement of the glove on his hand, and that he had his fingers spread far apart which would also restrict the glove movement. Why there was no protest to this obvious ploy, I shall always be perplexed. I repeat, it was a stupid move.

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  144. I think SS did a post on Nicole Brown Simpson a few years ago wherein he (correctly) described her as an “adventuress.” It was either SS or some other decent writer that wondered why the Nicole Brown wasn’t in college at age 18 y/o rather than Beverly Hills club-hopping and bedding the married 30-year old O.J. Simpson. And why hadn’t her father had a little more control over the teenager.

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  145. Since a lot of people are dating whatever awareness from that time, I’ll say that that 20% was the beginning of an awareness of the Salonista/SJW demographic, which when including its armchair members, is an accurate percentage of their representation now.

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  146. Uh, no, there’s no direct evidence of that. You do know that he had been awarded many citations for his work on the LAPD over the years before the trial started?

    Fuhrman was a good cop, who was left out to dry by his own people (whites). Had he been a black cop, the community might have sided with him since they wouldn’t have had an easy scapegoat to pin it on.

    Of all the characters connected to the trial, wonder what happened to Kato Kaelin? Anyone know?

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  147. I have long believed that the Simpson murder trial, beginning with the nationally televised white bronco chase, marked the decisive moment when the news media came into their own as the shapers of public thought

    Wouldn’t that be the McCarthy hearings?

    and the priest-purveyors of infotainment-propaganda, and therefore at the same time a substantial change was wrought at the most fundamental level of our culture.

    This might have started at this time.

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  148. Gets justice in the largest sense? What does that mean?

    The Slate writer probably feels that giving the LAPD a black eye and letting a black guy kill two whites (or a white Gentile and a Jew, if you want to make the distinction) balances the scales against the “Racist” LAPD.

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  149. I met O.J. Simpson once – sat near him and even spoke to him for a few minutes. I’d seen him around the area a few times – almost bumped into him at the post office – but this was the first and only time that I’d ever had any kind of direct interaction with him. This was not too long before he went to prison.

    The restaurant was packed. I was sitting at the bar, eating a quick lunch. He and his blonde girlfriend showed up and plopped down a few seats away from me. He saw me trying not to stare at him, so he finally said,”Hey, how you doin’?” I smiled awkwardly and said,”Fine.” We had a brief conversation.

    (I suppose I should have said, “Roast in hell, wife-stabber!” But I didn’t.)

    He did most of the talking. He seemed most interested in discussing the upcoming football season. Neither of us ever uttered the words “Nicole,” “Ron,” or “murder.” His girlfriend said nothing.

    After a short while, I had to leave, so I bid him farewell and left him sitting there.

    The next time I ate there, the bartender told me he was a rude, demanding customer who left a lousy tip.

    Honestly, I got a sick thrill out of it. I mean, how often does anyone get to speak to one of the infamous murderers in American history?

    (Oh, yeah, he was a football player, too. And a movie star.)

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  150. On the other hand, I remember seeing plenty of news clips where (mostly young) White people were cheering the verdict.

    You must have hallucinating – or maybe you were living in Israel or Ireland.

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  151. He saw me trying not to stare at him, so he finally said,”Hey, how you doin’?” I smiled awkwardly and said,”Fine.” We had a brief conversation.

    Yeah, by all accounts the Juice was a pretty nice guy, when he wasn’t slitting your throat.

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  152. Notoriety from the O.J. trial may have been necessary to launch the unholy Kardashian empire. For all I know thay had enough Hollywood connections to get on tv anyway, though that’s doubtful. The “Caitlyn” Jenner I don’t know what to call it, spectacle?, has its roots in two other sources:

    1). Kim Kardashian’s gigantic t&a, and her display of them on the internet. This and this alone explains why any male heterosexual knows her name, something unusual for E! network types.

    2). Bruce Jenner’s own notoriety, for being that rare celebrity who actually accomplished something, old though it it is.

    In sum, the O.J. trial was a necessary but insufficient cause.