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From Slate:

A Very Amateur Astrological Reading of A Star Is Born

Examining the birth chart of the new Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga movie.
By DANIEL SCHROEDER and HEATHER SCHWEDEL

OCT 11, 2018 7:30 AM

A Star Is Born is the most important film event of the year, but thus far its resonance with that other important 2018 cultural touchstone, astrology—newly in vogue thanks to millennials, the internet, and perhaps the terribleness of the rest of the world—has gone unremarked upon. That ends now. Stars, birth … obviously A Star Is Born is just calling out for an astrological reading. Slate staffers and amateur—very amateur—astrologists Daniel Schroeder and Heather Schwedel decided to call up the movie’s birth chart in order to mine it for celestial insights that other critics and prognosticators may have missed.

Keep in mind that the astrological theme is being played, sort of, for laughs as a way to get some more clicks to a tired staple of online journalism content generation: two staffers talk about a movie they saw over the weekend.

But this reminds me of an observation I tweeted a month ago:

What’s going on at Slate?

It always used to be run by smart Jewish guys, like Kinsley, Weisberg, and Plotz. Now they’ve got, I think, a gentile lady editing it. It seems pretty successful, but it’s not very interesting for smart males anymore. More of a Woman’s Magazine now.

11:44 AM – 12 Sep 2018

The ladies of Slate responded with a collective “Well, I never!” at the idea that Slate is now, more or less, a Woman’s Magazine. I added:

Slate was founded in the 1990s by IQ-fanatic Bill Gates to give Michael Kinsley, the most influential high-end opinion journalist of his generation, a platform. Next couple of editors, Weisberg and Plotz, were Kinsley Klones.

Now, tho, Slate is kind of a Ladies Magazine. …

There’s nothing wrong with the new Slate going downbrow to pursue the huge women’s market — advertisers love the ladies! — but for guys of a certain age and IQ, it’s hard not to be a little nostalgic over the old Slate edited by Mike Kinsley and paid for by Bill Gates. …

In defense of Slate’s ladies, they didn’t fall near as hard for Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Rolling Stone UVA gang rape on broken glass hoax as 98% of the media.

Presumably, exposure to Erdely’s college editor Stephen Glass (see “Shattered Glass”) at TNR had inoculating effect. …

In defense of the new mass market Slate, they’ve probably maintained more of their dignity than The Atlantic: E.g., Slate’s Jamelle Bouie must have 20 IQ points over Atlantic’s Ta-Nehisis Coates. …

Right. Women have to take their personal lives more seriously, for evo psych reasons, so they don’t have as much time for more impersonal interests. So they end up reading a lot of Beyonce’s Baby stuff, which is the female equivalent of Who’d Win In a Fight: Superman or Batman?

 
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  1. Who’d Win In a Fight: Superman or Batman?

    My money is on Beyonce’s Baby.

    • Troll: Redman
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  2. Rosie says:

    Right. Women have to take their personal lives more seriously, for evo psych reasons, so they don’t have as much time for more impersonal interests.

    Thank goodness I have a low-drama marriage. I’d go insane otherwise.

    • Replies: @gunner29
    , @Anonym
  3. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Always loved the bit from the start of the original “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” where one of the massacrees in the van is reading aloud from the horoscope. Really transports you into the lost era, along with their clothing of course

  4. MEH 0910 says:

    In defense of the new mass market Slate, they’ve probably maintained more of their dignity than The Atlantic: E.g., Slate’s Jamelle Bouie must have 20 IQ points over Atlantic’s Ta-Nehisis Coates. …

    Yeah, but Ta-Nehisi left The Atlantic, and now they have John McWhorter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  5. “What’s going on at Slate? It always used to be run by smart Jewish guys, like Kinsley, Weisberg, and Plotz. Now they’ve got, I think, a gentile lady editing it. ”

    They had writers push to unionize. The people who ran Slate, of course, believe in unions, just not at Slate. Because …

    What’s left now is scabs.

    • Replies: @Thea
    , @Slate Employee
  6. Women have to take their personal lives more seriously, for evo psych reasons, so they don’t have as much time for more impersonal interests. So they end up reading a lot of Beyonce’s Baby stuff, which is the female equivalent of Who’d Win In a Fight: Superman or Batman?

    White Core American Patriot political leaders have to go for the gut and the HEART with White women voters.

    Frame The Issues So They Can Cheer And Jeer

    Immigration issue framing

    Start out with the Jeer:

    You tell the White women that mass immigration fanatics push open borders mass immigration in order to harm White Core Americans.

    You tell the White women that mass immigration lowers wages, increases housing costs, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, causes sprawl, harms the environment and destroys cultural cohesion in the United States.

    You tell the White women that mass immigration brings crime and Islamic terrorism and infectious diseases such as Ebola to the United States.

    Then the Cheer:

    You tell the White women that an IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM will boost wages for US workers, lower housing costs for young White people so they can enjoy AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION and an immigration moratorium will protect the safety and security of the United States.

    You tell the White women that an IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM will help protect America as a home for the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    White women voters want to be fought over and won over to the White Core American Patriot cause.

    If that crud don’t work, then it will be necessary to repeal the frigging 19th Amendment.

  7. Slate staffers and amateur—very amateur—astrologists

    Anyone who thinks there are mere “amateur” astrologists versus professional ones is already in a state of sin.

    • LOL: Dtbb
  8. utu says:

    It is a part of the plan for people to believe that deterministic forces outside of them are shaping their lives which is very convenient for the top elite in any society. The IQism also justifies the status quo stratification. Do not get alarmed. There is a small step from astrology to IQism.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  9. Steve, if you read through their replies to your tweet, they reveal that Julia Turner is married to a You-know-who. But you could have guessed that.

  10. J.Ross says: • Website

    Jim Acosta reminds you that democracy dies in darkness.

    These are the kind of facts Vladimir Putin doesn’t want you to know.

  11. You’re sign?

    I’m a Feces!

  12. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT One of the recent “unarmed youth shooting” stories has had a development. An unarmed Detroit teen was shot by an evil white man while officially lost walking three miles to school (no, seriously, this is the official story) and hoping that an adult stranger could give him directions (I’m not exaggerating, this is their claim). He couldn’t use his phone for directions because his mother had taken it earlier.
    The shooter was a retired firefighter whose house had been broken into six times, and now door “eye hole” video has been released, showing that the kid sure is interested in checking the locks and knobs and looking into the windows of a house that was frequently burgled.

    https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/10/11/video-released-showing-white-rochester-hills-man-shooting-at-black-teen

    unedited

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CbPXh_1539289293

  13. The ladies of Slate responded with a collective “Well, I never!” at the idea that Slate is now, more or less, a Woman’s Magazine.

    Someone in that tweet-thread referred to Steve as “America’s leading race realist.” So he’s got that going for him.

  14. I had no idea Kinsley was a tribesman.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  15. BenKenobi says:
    @utu

    At this point in my life, the only reason I would pick up a newspaper would be to check my horoscope (because F the legacy media).

    Of course, I’ve always been sceptical of the idea that every person on Earth is going thru one of the twelve scenarios predicted therein.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  16. @J.Ross

    The New York Times would run the story as: “Prowling While Black.”

    Interesting story, though. Sounds like the kid lied about wanting to use the phone and was probably casing the joint to see if anyone was home. However, the homeowner clearly lied about his gun “accidentally” discharging.

    It doesn’t say if the kid was hurt but he had a good 100 yd. head start and a shotgun couldn’t be lethal at that range. So “attempted murder” seems a stretch. If I was the judge I’d send them both to jail, at least for a little while.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  17. tyrone says:

    Astrology became uncool when people found out Nancy Reagan consulted them ,oh how soon we forget.

  18. The past month has convinced me that the 19th Amendment was a colossal mistake.

  19. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is where I turn into an evil racist. Yeah, the homeowner lying about mishandling the gun and shooting the kid as he fled is indefensible — by the Alinskyite perfection-demanding standard. Why did the homeowner do any of that? Who brought that situation about? Not the stupid homeowner. We need to stop crucifying one group of people while giving infinite get out of jail free cards to another. By any reasonable standard everything that happened here was the fault of the teenager.

    • Agree: JMcG
  20. I remember when Saletan endorsed hbd in Slate a decade ago. Many prominent voices in the then-obscure genetic realist corner of the Internet envisioned a dam breaking as truth flooded the nation’s consciousness. Saletan recanted, of course, and it’s no safer for one’s career to discuss these issues now than it was then. But at least Slate occasionally published serious works of intellect.

  21. wren says:

    I vaguely recall that Weissman also founded The Root, but then withdrew after getting it set up.

    I no longer can find references to that, so either it was memory holed, or I am thinking of someone else.

    • Replies: @wren
  22. Pirelli says:

    Slate has been going downhill (as a source of intelligent commentary) for a long time. I’d say that the sharp descent began in 2012-2013 with headlines that were indistinguishable from parody (“If You Send Your Kids to Private School You Are a Bad Person,” “That Letter from a Stay-at-Home Mom to a Working Mom Is Making Me Really Angry,” etc), and the content degenerated quickly thereafter.

    Disagree that Slate is better than The Atlantic. Yes, The Atlantic has the reliably cringe-inducing TNC, but it also features genuinely interesting and well-written articles (like Yascha Mounk’s this week). I still read The Atlantic. Almost never read Slate anymore.

  23. wren says:
    @wren

    It was Jacob Weisberg.

    The Root is now owned by Univision, which is now owned by Haim Saban.

    It should all be called The Onion, which is owned by….

  24. Rosie says:
    @Darwin's Sh-tlist

    The past month has convinced me that the 19th Amendment was a colossal mistake.

    How does one deal with this kind of stupidity?

    I was listening to Fash the Nation the other day, and Jazzhands actually admitted to not knowing that White women have only favored Democratic Presidential candidates twice since 1952. Ignorance about White women is rife in the dissident Right. At least Jazz was willing to own up to it.

    Curiously, White women might wind up saving the GOP by forcing them to represent Whites. White men seem to be willing to turn out for them regardless.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @gregor
  25. Steve, I’m a little surprised the Slate ladies didn’t seem to know who you were.

    The only thing on Slate I regularly read these days is the hysterics of Christina Cauterucci for the entertainment value. She is the personification of the modern day “progressive” and seems to have some mental issues.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  26. What’s going on at Slate?

    …Now they’ve got, I think, a gentile lady editing it. It seems pretty successful, but it’s not very interesting for smart males anymore. More of a Woman’s Magazine now.

    That’s pretty much what happened to The Guardian, over in the UK, ever since Katherine Viner took over as editor-in-chief in 2015. Viner spent the first years of her career as an editor at Cosmopolitan magazine.

    Although it is still a far better newspaper for general daily news reportage, especially of international news, than, say the Washington Post, Viner has made sure that women columnists are promoted on the home page, and most of their opinion items (and their headlines) are akin to the content found at online blogs like Jezebel or Feministing.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  27. gunner29 says:
    @J.Ross

    I did a property search, this is a 3750 sq ft home on a acre. Zillow is $725k. All the homes are about this big on an acre or more. How he had 6 break ins out there; only possible is Pontiac is about a mile away to the west, other side of I75.

    Might be a few negro public employees in RH that could afford to buy out there; doubt there are many renters….Considering every home out there would be equally rich to steal from, I don’t see anybody targeting his place.

    BUT, he was Detroit Fire, they have to live in Detroit to remain employed. He had addresses in Detroit over the last 20 years, I bet he was burgled there and is knee jerk about young negro guys and no goodnik behavior….There was an area just into Detroit that was known as Copper Valley. 3 or 4 public employees would buy a home and live there together during the week. Weekends it was out to the burbs where mom and the kids were living full time.

    Block or two from Copper Valley would be 100% negro….

    Didn’t see the kids name, so no way to track down where he came from.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  28. Slater says: • Website

    It was just announced that Slate’s one remaining “smart Jewish guy” (Isaac Chotiner) is leaving for the New Yorker.

    Great timing, Steve!

  29. @MEH 0910

    Yeah, but Ta-Nehisi left The Atlantic, and now they have John McWhorter.

    A black guy who can write about something other than just being black. And well enough that you’d want to read him, too.

    How amazing is that?

  30. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    I used to like Emily Yoffe’s agony aunt column, arguably a chick feature, but then they replaced her with a woman who was more SJW, for instance telling women they had to break up with their boyfriends or divorce their husbands if they support Trump, because that meant that the guys despised women and might end up killing them. Then … the chick SJW went tranny. That’s the point at which you find someone else to write the column. You promote “him” to be editor of a new Tranny World sub-site at Slate, get a new advice columnist in, then shut down Tranny World for lack of clicks. Problem solved.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  31. @Faraday's Bobcat

    Don’t sell these women short, F.D. A lot of these amateur astrologists are also professional cosmotologists. Once they get through their rigorous dissertations, on such varied topics as The Topology of the Weave, and Does Dark Matter?, and get established in their day jobs, they will often keep proficient in Observational Astrology too … slaves to their careers, I tell you, for the benefit of all mankind.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  32. @Rosie

    Men typically turn out for whatever, generally foolish, idea they believe will make women put out for them. Occasionally they stumble over wisdom and stop to examine it.

  33. @Father O'Hara

    Haha, as a water sign myself, I don’t often get along with the LEOs. Just a word to the wise, my family astrologer warns all the water signs to avoid travels to Moslem countries through the next week lest the waxing crescent moon enter Capricorn (“the goat”) or come into conjunction with Uranus.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  34. Bubba says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Dionne Warwick was a professional astrologer who helped separate foolish souls from their money. Then she went bankrupt. It must have been written in the stars.

  35. @BenKenobi

    Of course, I’ve always been skeptical of the idea that every person on Earth is going thru one of the twelve scenarios predicted therein.

    Agreed, though it’s not any worse than each person having a certain personality based on his year of birth, on a 12-year cycle (the Chinese bit about “year of the what-have-you”). I favor the theory that people, probably at least half of them, have a personality that varies on a 28-day cycle. Of course, that’s just more superstition, I’m told … monthly.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  36. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Maybe your eyes are better than mine. I don’t see the kid trying the locks. Even if he did, I can understand the homeowners frustration but you can’t just go ’round shooting people.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  37. Slate? Sure, got some on my roof.

    As for astrology, I guess it is easier to weave the story than using a hen to peck on a typewriter or repeatedly throwing a daert at a page full of letters.

  38. gregor says:
    @Rosie

    Ha, you listen to a podcast with “Fash” in the name and you are shocked by a suggestion that women voting has been of questionable benefit?

    Repealing the 19th is larpy and unrealistic. But whether female suffrage has been good or bad for society is an arguable empirical question. As Steve has pointed out numerous times, married white women are really no problem. They tend to follow their husbands politically. Single women are another matter. In aggregate, they are a complete disaster. Their unused maternal instincts get repurposed toward all manner of misguided causes like refugee invasions and gay rights lobbying and their awareness of social hierarchies compels them to virtue signal to a comical extreme.

    For liberals concerned with fairness and equality this is of course not an empirical issue. It’s unthinkable to disenfranchise women as a matter of principle. I myself was raised to think this way and try as I might I still retain quite a few of those liberal ideals, as do most conservatives. But a proper fascist, being strongly anti-liberal, will very possibly reject female suffrage on practical grounds, and maybe suffrage altogether.

  39. Lowe says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah. The kid is probably lying about being lost, but that old dude is definitely going to do jail time anyway. You can’t shoot at someone running away from you on your property. You can’t even do that in Texas.

    The old guy would also be heading for jail if the kid were white instead, not that that will stop the irresponsible press from playing up the race angle. The only real race angle to this is that young black boys are way more likely to burgle houses than white boys.

    But, yeah, you can’t shoot at someone that way, even if he’s a dick.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  40. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    I thought you were kidding, but no, you can’t make this stuff up.

    Google “Daniel Mallory Ortberg” (formerly Mallory Ortberg).

    And, BTW, it’s Ortberg and not ((Ortberg)).

    He/she one of three children of the evangelical Christian author and Menlo Church pastor John Ortberg and Nancy Ortberg, who is also a pastor and the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ.

    He/she attended Azusa Pacific University, a private, evangelical Christian university in California.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  41. @Ibound1

    It seems entirely appropriate that Witch-Americans are part of the Democratic coalition.

  42. MBlanc46 says:
    @J.Ross

    Hear! Hear! It’s still (barely) a white country. We get to play by white people’s rules, viz.,you try to break into my house, you get shot.

  43. kihowi says:

    You know how old I am? I can remember when Salon was started as the internet’s quality highbrow magazine. And Slate was the poor man’s Salon.

  44. Thirdtwin says:

    “Ta-Nehisis” lol are you Tiny Duck?

  45. J.Ross says: • Website
    @gunner29

    That just makes “asking for directions” make even less sense.
    It is possible that this trial is unearthing a once-tolerated normality of shooting troublemaking MacArthur Geniuses provided they’re on your property. The extreme sloppiness of the retired firefighter suggests he wasn’t expecting to be closely examined. If that’s the case, the old way was universally better, and the new way cannot work.

  46. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Enough smart people have been into astrology that I wonder if there wasn’t a thoroughly earthbound exploitable basis, ie, it allowed a manipulative personality to quickly “type” a mark and roughly sketch out likely reactions. Something like that four-letter management pseudoscience.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. @J.Ross

    By any reasonable standard everything that happened here was the fault of the teenager.

    All of the ‘victims’ of police shootings would still be alive if they had followed the instructions of the officer. Yes, the police routinely employ dishonesty and you should be careful around them (and don’t let them in without a search warrant). But don’t spook them – you could wake up dead. And it is really hard to recover from being dead.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  48. Anon[640] • Disclaimer says:

    I have a theory that men keep empowering neurotic liberal women, like giving the control of online magazines, because they’re hoping the women will have sex with them. Neurotic women are easy to manipulate. Dish out a little obsequious flattery, and they’ll do whatever you want. Conservative women certainly aren’t going to sleep with liberal men, so the liberal men are forced to pick and choose among the crazy remainder.

    Also, some guys get off on being dominated. Plenty of liberal men enjoy being scolded and told they’re bad for being white by their girlfriends right before sex. I just wish they wouldn’t keep mixing their masochistic bedroom kinks with national politics.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. J.Ross says: • Website

    >you can’t just shoot people

    https://local12.com/news/nation-world/2-men-indicted-for-raping-9-month-old-filming-it

    Isaiah Hayes, 19, and Daireus Ice, 22, were both indicted on aggravated rape of a child and especially aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor. Investigators said Hayes performed sex acts on the baby while Ice filmed it.
    The mother of the baby girl found a video on a cell phone and identified the victim as her daughter in October of 2016. That’s when she told police that her daughter had been molested.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  50. Marty T says:
    @Darwin's Sh-tlist

    I knew it was a mistake by the time I was 13.

  51. Marty T says:
    @gregor

    It’s not unthinkable. At the beginning of this nation voting was restricted to landowning males. We should return to that (a dream I know).

    • Replies: @gunner29
  52. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Darwin's Sh-tlist

    Once more class, women could vote in 27 out of 48 states, the majority of the 48 states in 1920. And White male judges presidents and congress critters did the damage to Whites between 1956 and 1974.

    The feminazis are just the running dogs of the elite men dedicated to the destruction of other White men

    • Replies: @Rosie
  53. @Father O'Hara

    I didn’t realize my auto correct doohickey changed ‘your’ to ‘you’re.’
    I stand before you a broken man.

    • Replies: @sayless
  54. El Dato says:

    Reminder that Slate is the webzine that introduced us to the genre of Gay Muslim Furry Having Emotional Hard Times in Trump’s America back in early 2017:

    The SJW Singularity Has Been Reached

  55. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross

    Compares well to Blasey-Ford’s survivordom.

  56. El Dato says:
    @Lowe

    But, yeah, you can’t shoot at someone that way, even if he’s a dick.

    Unless it’s Dick Cheney.

    But he would probably get his shots in first.

    Whittington was subsequently discharged from the hospital on February 17, 2006. At a press conference, he said: “My family and I are deeply sorry for everything Vice President Cheney and his family have had to deal with. We hope that he will continue to come to Texas and seek the relaxation that he deserves.”

    That’s the spirit!

  57. gunner29 says:
    @Rosie

    Thank goodness I have a low-drama marriage. I’d go insane otherwise.

    You must have a masculine mind. Mine and other guys experience have found the vast majority of womyn only like high drama.

    My ex was obsessed with the soap opera, All My Children. She identified with Susan Lucci, another petite brunette. And if you know about AMC, it was high drama, all the time.

    Are you a DES daughter? Besides rotting the femail plumbing, there was another side effect. In some womyn it would masculinize the brain. This was good at math, play with male toys, no maternal interest, all the normal male interests.

    40 years after the fact, I realized my first GF had a masculine mind. She was a looker, could of been a Centerfold. But I realized there was something wrong and bailed….

    • Replies: @Rosie
  58. El Dato says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    whitey’s purpose in the universe is to automate spaceshots far enough to land blackies on the moon!

  59. gunner29 says:
    @Marty T

    It’s not unthinkable. At the beginning of this nation voting was restricted to landowning males. We should return to that (a dream I know).

    It was only the last 100 years that womyn have been allowed to vote. Thousands of years when they couldn’t. Take that, Rosie.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  60. @Faraday's Bobcat

    Anyone who thinks there are mere “amateur” astrologists versus professional ones is already in a state of sin.

    Appreciate the humor, but have to disagree. Astrology, of course, is wrong. But anyone who has flipped through long & tedious Max Heindel’s (old school occultist & Rosicrucian) “Message of the Stars” knows that professional astrologers’ analysis of their charts is a serious business & not a light entertainment. Its reliability is quite another matter.

    • Agree: Ian M.
  61. @Pirelli

    The Atlantic‘s best writer (IMHO) is a woman, Caitlin Flanagan.

    Might be connected to the fact she was wasn’t a professional writer with career aspirations. She just picked it up as a side gig from Ben Schwarz while being a housewife.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  62. Rosie says:
    @gregor

    Ha, you listen to a podcast with “Fash” in the name and you are shocked by a suggestion that women voting has been of questionable benefit?

    I’m not at all shocked. I just think it’s stupid. There is no case for it. I’ve stated my reasons for this several times, but here are some of them in brief:

    (1) Maternal instincts in government have salutary, as well as harmful, effects on the polity. A social safety net is indispensable to a cohesive nation-state. An individualistic society cannot command loyalty and sacrifice from the people, as they will always “look out for number 1.” A “proper fascist” who wants to disenfranchise women either hasn’t thought it through or has an axe to grind, in which case, they’re not really a”proper fascist.” Additionally, young women are anti-war. It turns out that sending promising young men off to die in foreign wars is not popular with young women in the market for a husband.

    (2) You claim we are overly sensitive to “social hierarchies,” yet the combined might of the entire legacy media, deep pockets of campaign finance, and party political machines were unable to secure a bare majority of White women voters for “Madam President Hillary Clinton.” Imagine how overwhelmingly we would have voted for Trump if the media wasn’t in the hands of the hostile elite that must not be named. Indeed, but for said hostile elite, we wouldn’t be talking about refugee invasions and gay rights.

    The attempt to destroy Kavanaugh also flopped completely White women. The vast majority of whom either didn’t believe Ford, or believed her and still didn’t oppose his confirmation! (By a wide margin, many more women believed Ford than opposed Kavanaughs confirmation., presumably because they don’t think an otherwise-exemplary middle-aged family man should be disqualified over something he did as a teenager over 35 yeas ago.)

    (3) Talk of disenfranchising women is not just larpy. It is actually self-destructive. We don’t “follow our husbands politically.” Like everyone else, we vote our interests, which happen to align with our husbands’ interests much more often than not.

    (4) Finally, I’m not all sure that bashing “crazy cat ladies” is a great idea. Not long ago, a poll came out indicating that people without children in the home are more racially conscious than people with children. This has gone largely unnoticed in the dissident Right, probably because it was so unexpected that people are dismissing it as statistical noise.

    I think this is a mistake. Greg Johnson posits that White birth rates are in the tank partly because White people intuit that we are, as (((Paul Krugman))) says “in the end, not the future.” It stands to reason that precisely those Whites most troubled by the idea of a browning America would be most reluctant to have children.

    Here is an article about this survey by Marcus Cicero, an Unz contributor if I’m not mistaken. (Notice that women are also more pro-White than men, which is not surprising given that women tend to be more collectivist.)

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/08/19/new-survey-what-exactly-does-a-white-nationalist-look-like/

  63. Rosie says:
    @gunner29

    It was only the last 100 years that womyn have been allowed to vote. Thousands of years when they couldn’t. Take that, Rosie.

    The appeal to tradition is reasonable when dealing with the unknown, but women’s suffrage is no longer an unknown.

  64. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Once more class, women could vote in 27 out of 48 states, the majority of the 48 states in 1920. And White male judges presidents and congress critters did the damage to Whites between 1956 and 1974.

    The feminazis are just the running dogs of the elite men dedicated to the destruction of other White men

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

  65. Cortes says:
    @PiltdownMan

    She has ruined a decent Sports Department with attempts to make relevant women’s football/soccer, which is ludicrous in the extreme.

  66. @Gnome Sayin

    “I’m a little surprised the Slate ladies didn’t seem to know who you were.”

    There aren’t just puddles of ignorance out there, there are mighty oceans. If Steve were an entertaining liar, he’d be writing in the NYT. It’s all about who holds the megaphone.

    I would lay good money that the Slate ladies also 100% believe in nurture rather than nature.

    The megaphone holders (FB/Twitter/Google) are actively engaged in purging dissidents. When I saw this HBDChick retweet last night, AntiMedia still had a Twitter account on which they could complain about being purged from Facebook. This morning they’re suspended on Twitter too.

  67. JMcG says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Her father was Thomas O’Flanagan, who wrote “The Year of the French” which was kind of a minor big deal in the seventies. I like her writing better than his.

  68. @Pirelli

    I’ve followed Slate from the beginning.

    I think you are on the mark about when they went quickly downhill. I remember those arrices. I seem to remember another article about the same time titled something like “Do We Oogle Other Girls’ Butts or Nah” that convinced me Slate was a ladies’ magazine.

    I agree the writing in the Atlantic is mostly better.

    Recently I have been abandoning web sites which have abandoned their comments section. I don’t read either the Atlantic nor Taki nearly as much as I used to.

    The comments sections were often better than the articles themselves. Maybe the Atlantic would publish something so out in left field that the comments would try to bring them back to reality. Sometimes commenters would have special knowledge to expand on the article.

    In contrast, as good as most of Steve’s articles are, sometimes the comments section is better. So I found myself at Unz.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Jack D
  69. Astrology Is In! Science Is Out!

    Last night I took Mrs. Mohawk to an IMAX theater to see First Whitey, um, I mean First Man. That’s a Hollywood film that does its best to depict both Whitey Science and Homey Life. It succeeds at that by inserting a little bit of unknowable feelings into an accurate copy of 1960s America.

    First Man is true to science and to human emotions. My wife liked it more than I did.

  70. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Read through the entire article. Thought it was written by yet another black commissar with an eternal chip on his shoulder. Turns out this piece of work was written by a badly-aging white female.

    Somehow, in the Current Era, a 70s black musician with a pretentious name who simply wrote something about being jealous of white men landing on the moon is equally (or more) important than Neil Armstrong and the NASA scientists who helped him get there.

    Of course, when the moon landings will be finally revealed to have been elaborate hoaxes concocted by capitalists to undermine communist morale, fans of Gil Scott-Heron will blame white males for duping him into wasting his energy over some fallacy, when he could have written more masterpieces that would have made him a bigger pop icon than John Lennon. Perhaps it was Lennon himself behind all that. Yet anoter case of whitey keeping the black man down.

    These people are truly, utterly irredeemable.

  71. @Paleo Liberal

    I’ve written the same thing, about comment sections, P.L. Speaking of comments here on unz, I’ve not disagreed on much with Paul Craig Roberts whose articles appear here. However, over a year back, when he wrote some bladerdash about Global Climate Disruption(TM) a bunch of commenters called him out on his stupidity, and he couldn’t take the heat warming. That’s when he wrote a 2nd article which included disparaging remarks about his commenters (more of a Fred Reed thing). The commenters got all over his case, and the pussy had them turned off.

    It’s too bad, because he is a libertarian, like a Ron Paul, but more of a firebrand (Ron Paul used to be, BTW; watch him on youtube on an old Phil Donahue show (I think?)).

  72. @J.Ross

    Mr. Ross, I think that astrology has just enough complicated pseudoscience, involving, calculations, charts, etc. to fool people and keep out the complete dumbasses. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up with a licensing board sometime to weed out riffraff, you know, the ladies with the fake tarot cards, and the ones who haven’t kept up with changes in the zodiac to the slow precession* of the Earth’s axis.

    Do you know that all the astrology predictions are based on a time when the ecliptic (outward extension of the plane of the earth’s orbit about the sun) was rotated about a whole constellation (30 deg of arc or so) off from what it is now, 2-3 millennia later? The state boards of licensing, once they form them, should really kick out most of the astrologers just based on this bad practice … not to mention the bad jobs they’ve done on my ear hair.

    * Holy crap, spell check doesn’t even know this word, speaking of dumbasses**.

    ** Nor this one.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @J.Ross
    , @dfordoom
  73. @PiltdownMan

    Cosmo?

    I decided I had outgrown it by my senior year in high school.

    And I’m ashamed it took me that long.

  74. @Achmed E. Newman

    Of course, that’s just more superstition, I’m told

    Male sure you have chocolate in the house at least a week before that mythical event, and you will earn unimaginable gratitude.

    • LOL: Rosie
  75. ChrisZ says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That planet always cracks me up.

    (This O’Hara-Newman correspondence generated some big laughs, BTW.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  76. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Plenty of liberal men enjoy being scolded and told they’re bad for being white by their girlfriends right before sex.

    Doubt it. Sure, name a fetish and someone out there has it, but I see no evidence of this being a general trend. Rather men just go along to get along a lot of the time, and so might put up with ranting in order to hit it.

  77. @gregor

    I don’t believe giving women the vote or allowing them to run for public office has changed much of anything. It merely expands the number of losers, liars, thieves, or well-meaning but completely incompetent idealists running for office, and expands the number of self-serving sociopaths or well-meaning idiots voting for them. The proportions remain much the same.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  78. Thea says:
    @DontWorkAtSlate

    I still don’t understand how online journalism is a profitable business. it is just getting a message out/ controlling the microphone I thought.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  79. Zippy says:

    Do you really think that Bouie is smarter than Coates? I haven’t noticed great evidence of functioning mentation in either one of them; certainly neither of them every makes a surprising or interesting or novel point. They seem about equally dull-witted and doctrinaire.

    Bouie is probably a clearer, technically better writer — you can hardly be worse — and he doesn’t display his ignorance quite so brazenly. (If he didn’t know who St. Augustine was he would look it up and feign knowledge.) But in a weird way I think that a lot of Coates’s appeal is the childish sincerity and utter lack of guile.

  80. @DontWorkAtSlate

    Hey there – I work at Slate and just wanted to clarify: We do have a union, there are no scabs at work :) All our writers and editors (besides upper management) are union members.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  81. dr kill says:

    A Star Is Born is the most important film event of the year…… that’s already enough for me.

  82. @Rosamond Vincy

    You read that as a teenager? It was pornographic. Is it still?

    That magazine was likely responsible for corrupting an entire generation of females. Absolute trash.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  83. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Just having a comments section is not enough. When I look at the NY Times comments, whatever the subject of the article, the “most liked” answers are usually to the effect that whatever it is, it is Trump’s fault and if we didn’t have this stupid evil man as our President the problem wouldn’t exist. The man is really living rent free in Leftists’ heads.

  84. @Rosamond Vincy

    Send ‘em all to Hell, Vincy!

    That’s what we want. No more crybaby globalizer crap.

    The worst recent example I’ve seen is calling drug addict zombie bastards “angels.”

    The money-grubbing government morons have been reduced to calling these druggies “angels of addiction.”

    There ain’t nothing angelic about these drugged out psycho nuts, that I can tell you!

    The druggies themselves would admit as much when they’re clean and free of the damn drugs!

    FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!

  85. @Rosamond Vincy

    Bestselling publication in college bookstores twenty years running.

  86. @Achmed E. Newman

    iSteve has spel chek? Wy wuznt i told?

    • Replies: @Anon
  87. @Thea

    It’s all about you getting to click on the link; they don’t care if you actually read it.

  88. Jack D says:
    @Slate Employee

    Just curious – how did you get here? Is there some kind of digital clipping service that notifies you when Slate gets mentioned on another website?

  89. @stillCARealist

    Even as a teen, I suspected it was giving terrible advice. From what I hear, it has only gotten worse.

  90. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    All of the ‘victims’ of police shootings would still be alive if they had followed the instructions of the officer.

    Like Daniel Shaver?

  91. @ChrisZ

    Glad you got some LOLs, Chris!

    That planet always cracks me up.

    My boy who’s well under 10 y/o loved the Uranus jokes. He’s gotten over it though. I’m not quite there yet.

  92. @Darwin's Sh-tlist

    St. Ann agrees with you, that the 19th Amendment was a mistake. See Her Holiness at 8:45.

    For what it’s worth, I agree with you and St. Ann that giving women the vote a colossal mistake. I believe the Republic is set unalterably on a path to destruction and the 19th Amendment was the cause.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Ian M.
  93. @Ripple Earthdevil

    Yes…from Detroit, I believe. Not a NY shtetl Jew.

  94. sayless says:
    @Father O'Hara

    “I stand before you a broken man.”

    God forgives, Father.

    But don’t let it happen again.

  95. Anonym says:
    @Rosie

    Is it low drama from the husband’s perspective? Maybe not.

  96. Rosie says:
    @gunner29

    You must have a masculine mind. Mine and other guys experience have found the vast majority of womyn only like high drama.

    All I know is that drama distracts me from my own thoughts, which annoys me.

    40 years after the fact, I realized my first GF had a masculine mind. She was a looker, could of been a Centerfold. But I realized there was something wrong and bailed…

    I can tell something is wrong when a man denigrates women who don’t conform to the stereotypes as well as those who do.

  97. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s my favorite refutation (that the constellations are not the constellations), but I’m talking about eliminating the stars altogether. I think con arists have advanced systems of reading and typing personalities.

  98. @Jack D

    Thèse were the people the cons were going to outbreed the libs with 20 years ago.

  99. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    It doesn’t, but your browser most probably does.

  100. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slate Employee

    I haven’t read Slate since my days of reading Andrew Sullivan a long, long time ago. I am not sure why I stopped reading it, probably because it kept veering leftward and lower IQ.

    It does seem very femmy now. A lot more left wing. Not overly bright or insightful. I noted this article:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/democrat-strategy-rally-base-moderates.html

    The author is of course Jewish, and male actually. In my search to confirm this, the NYT had this to say:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/books/how-yascha-mounk-grew-up-a-stranger-in-my-own-country.html

    Yascha Mounk’s book about growing up Jewish in Germany, “Stranger in My Own Country,” is rickety, not fully assembled, more the frame of a book than the sanded and stained product. Mr. Mounk is a young graduate student at Harvard, born in 1982, and his book is learned but at times not so wise.

    And this is from a guy named Oppenheimer! Clearly there are even some limits to what mutual promotion through membership of the Tribe will confer.

    So anyway, the Mounk article in Slate strikes me as fairly uninspired. The prescription is to be Obama, basically, if you choose to ignore what Obama actually did and ignore the failure of Hillary running as Obama 2.0. It is based on a study by some leftist TED-talky think tank featuring a host of the coalition of the fringes – Jews, browns, some whites (lesbians, gays, conquistadors, women, and maybe a careerist white dude or two, possibly hetero? Hard to say.) They divide up the US into non-racial tribes, which they admit, do have some racial basis to some categories but which they won’t divulge.

    It’s funny, after being a race realist for over a decade it strikes me as how mentally enfeebling it must be to be a modern leftist. They can’t even be intellectually honest with themselves, so how are they going to work out how to win an election? They come at things with a supposedly non-partisan approach but it is fairly obvious that the goal is to help Democrats win elections. The goal is to solve the deeply rooted political divisions in US society (by applying some sort of magical salve to the underlying issue of race replacement by immigration and the anti-white mass media full court press, I guess). It seems even some liberal “tribes” believe that political correctness has gone too far, maybe that would be a lesson to heed.

    Having a look at the study, it seems they miss more than they hit. The “devoted conservative” is where they would place the Unz readership for example, yet their example watches Fox and Hannity. (Breitbart and Tucker aren’t listed.) This is 2 years past the election, and their analysis feels about 5 years out of date at least, and even then not particularly on point.

    https://www.moreincommon.com/our-team/

    So this is what Slate finds useful. A pile of barely warmed over “meh”. And that was the most interesting thing on their front page! I think the Democrats are going to do very poorly in 2018 and 2020.

    It recommended this article to me:

    https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/discord-safe-space-white-supremacists.html

    Apparently discord is another place to find alt-right memes and the edgelords who deal in them. I’ll keep that in mind if they shut down /pol/.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  101. anon[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    1. The kid wasn’t shot.
    2. The guy was convicted. IMO he only shot once and missed. It was a shotgun, so if he was serious, he could have tried again
    3. On TV news, there was this, baby-sitting while black, and GA voted suppression of negros. 3 anti white national stories out of not much. All black, all the time.

    Anyone remember the 80′s DC Fox series, City Under Siege? Late Marion Berry, early crack. All the local news could be filled with black deviance.

    These are nothing burgers. I am triggered by White male bashing. Once you start noticing….

  102. Rosie says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    St. Ann agrees with you, that the 19th Amendment was a mistake. See Her Holiness at 8:45.

    If I’m not mistaken, she said that before November 2016 and hasn’t repeated it since.

    Do I get to nominate a man to speak for men on the issue of men’s rights?

    For what it’s worth…I believe the Republic is set unalterably on a path to destruction and the 19th Amendment was the cause.(blockquote>

    Unsupported, your beliefs are worth nothing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  103. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    I stand corrected. Ann is a blithering idiot. All respect lost.

    Seriously, this doesn’t even make any sense. A Jewish publication publishes a fake article by some Jewess, and suddenly this person represents womankind. Never mind the polls that demonstrate the vast majority disagree with her.

    I told you the 19th Amendment was a rash-experiment gone wrong. https://t.co/SHhbeSXn84— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) October 12, 2018

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  104. When a woman wants her man to decide in her interest, she withholds favor until proof of decision is evident.

  105. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Ross, I think that astrology has just enough complicated pseudoscience, involving, calculations, charts, etc. to fool people and keep out the complete dumbasses.

    So it’s basically like climate science?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  106. dfordoom says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    That’s my favorite refutation (that the constellations are not the constellations), but I’m talking about eliminating the stars altogether. I think con arists have advanced systems of reading and typing personalities.

    Yep. Astrology is like carnival mind-reading acts. If you actually consult an astrologer (one who actually makes money at the racket) you’ll find they’re extremely good at doing cold readings. And they’re extremely good at telling people (especially women) what they want to hear.

    They’re also very similar to the numerous therapists who prey on women.

  107. @Rosie

    Florence King expressed doubts on the wisdom of the women’s vote long before this. In her case, a multi-generational saga of Female Trouble (nicknamed “The Ovariad” by her bemused father) was probably a major factor in forming her viewpoint.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  108. Rosie says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Florence King expressed doubts on the wisdom of the women’s vote long before this. In her case, a multi-generational saga of Female Trouble (nicknamed “The Ovariad” by her bemused father) was probably a major factor in forming her viewpoint.

    I don’t necessarily have a problem with a well-reasoned opposition to women’s suffrage, but this is just idiotic. If anything, Ann would actually stand on firmer ground if she said women shouldn’t be allowed to write newspaper articles, because she’s not even resorting to women’s voting behavior, but rather a stupid article. Don’t get me wrong. That wouldn’t be justified either, but it would make a great deal more sense than here argument in this tweet.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  109. @Rosie

    She’s just trying to get a rise out of people. I doubt very much she’d give up her own vote.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  110. @dfordoom

    Well, on a 5 orders-of-magnitude lower budget … hmmm… yeah, pretty much like that.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  111. @J.Ross

    AGREED, and with dfordoom, too.

  112. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    It is a lucky thing for Trump and for conservatives in general that Democrats have so little understanding of what America is like outside of the big coastal cities. They are probably more familiar with, and have better understanding of, the mentality of the average Parisian or Londoner than they have of the average rural West Virginian.

    Shortly before he died, Anthony Bourdain did a show where he approached West Virginia as if he was visiting one of the other exotic destinations that he like to visit. On the one hand, this was sort of contemptuous – he did not view W. Virginians as his fellow Americans, he viewed them as exotics. But, OTOH, this was toward the end of his life when he must have been getting sick of his hypocritical “friends” such as his unfaithful child molestor girlfriend, Asia Argento and he realized on some level that the folks in W. Virginia were actually good people, maybe better people than “his own” and in the show he pleaded for his fellow leftists to show some understanding and sympathy for them and their views. But still, he viewed them as exotic sociological objects, held at a remove – it was clear that he had little prior familiarity with and was just beginning to gain an understanding of their hopes and fears.

    Guys like Bill Clinton and John Edwards understood these people because they grew up among them. But they are now viewed as rapey dinosaurs and the people who are left in the party have no insight.

  113. Ian M. says:
    @gregor

    But whether female suffrage has been good or bad for society is an arguable empirical question.

    In an old comment I wrote:

    By the way, while women in America today tend to vote more liberal than men, this doesn’t seem to be something that is generalizable across time and space. For example, in Britain it used to be sometimes said that the U.K. would have had permanent Labour Party rule since 1945 if women hadn’t been given the vote. In Weimar Germany, women voted more right-wing than men:

    http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm

    I believe the same was true in interwar France. Going back further in time, women were more likely to support the ancien régime against the Jacobins than men were.

    There is also an anecdote about the time someone asked the French socialist prime minister Leon Blum why he did not favor enfranchising women. His reply: “Because they’d vote us out of office.”

    That said, I don’t regard the question as fundamentally an empirical one. Women’s suffrage undermines patriarchal authority and incentivizes voting out of pure self-interest rather than with the family’s interest in mind. It exacerbates division between the sexes rather than unifying them. Thus, women’s suffrage leads to increasing liberalism and radical individualism even if women were to vote more conservatively than men.

    However, women’s suffrage is a symptom of the fundamental problem rather than the cause. The fundamental problem is liberal individualism and the principle of equal freedom, of which mass democracy – even if restricted to men – is a manifestation.

    I favor the abolition of mass democracy, but if we’re going to have it, my preference would probably be to limit the franchise to married fathers, which would at least have the benefit of supporting patriarchal authority and the common good of the family.

    • Replies: @Anon
  114. Ian M. says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    We were on the path to destruction well before the 19th amendment.

  115. Ian M. says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I doubt very much she’d give up her own vote.

    I’m against all suffrage and I’ve given up my vote so at least I practice what I preach!

  116. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.

    There is also an anecdote about the time someone asked the French socialist prime minister Leon Blum why he did not favor enfranchising women. His reply: “Because they’d vote us out of office.”

    In Spain the Socialist deputy Margarita Nelken said much the same thing at much the same time, curiously enough– and she was right.

  117. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, on a 5 orders-of-magnitude lower budget … hmmm… yeah, pretty much like that.

    The scary thing is that if a couple of billionaires or a couple of mega-corporations decided for some reason that they wanted astrology to become part of the established official ideology then within a few years most people would become fervent believers in astrology.

    If you can persuade people to embrace absurdities like homosexual marriage or obvious scams like climate change then persuading them to accept astrology would be child’s play.

    Of course promoting belief in astrology would actually be a lot less harmful than promoting homosexual marriage or climate change.

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