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From the NYT:

Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S.

Updated, 10:42 p.m. | Donald J. Trump called on Monday for the United States to bar all Muslims from entering the country until the nation’s leaders can “figure out what is going on” after the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., an extraordinary escalation of rhetoric aimed at voters’ fears about members of the Islamic faith.

A prohibition of Muslims – an unprecedented proposal by a leading American presidential candidate, and an idea more typically associated with hate groups – reflects a progression of mistrust that is rooted in ideology as much as politics.

Mr. Trump, who in September declared “I love the Muslims,” turned sharply against them after the Paris terrorist attacks, calling for a database to track Muslims in America and repeating discredited rumors that thousands of Muslims celebrated in New Jersey on 9/11. His poll numbers rose largely as a result, until a setback in Iowa on Monday morning. Hours later Mr. Trump called for the ban, fitting his pattern of making stunning comments when his lead in the Republican presidential field appears in jeopardy.

Saying that “hatred” among many Muslims for Americans is “beyond comprehension,” Mr. Trump said in a statement that the United States needed to confront “where this hatred comes from and why.”

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” Mr. Trump said.

Asked what prompted his statement, Mr. Trump said, “death,” according to a spokeswoman.

Repudiation of Mr. Trump’s remarks was swift and severe among religious groups and politicians from both parties. Mr. Trump is “unhinged,” said one Republican rival, former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, while another, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.” Hillary Clinton said the idea was “reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive.” Organizations representing Jews, Christians and those of other faiths quickly joined Muslims in denouncing Mr. Trump’s proposal.

“Rooting our nation’s immigration policy in religious bigotry and discrimination will not make America great again,” said Rabbi Jack Moline, executive director of Interfaith Alliance, putting a twist on Mr. Trump’s campaign slogan.

Mr. Trump made his remarks a day after President Obama delivered a national address from the Oval Office urging Americans not to turn against Muslims in the wake of the terrorist attacks.

Experts on immigration law and policy expressed shock at the proposal Monday afternoon.

“This is just so antithetical to the history of the United States,” said Nancy Morawetz, a professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law, who specializes in immigration. “It’s unbelievable to have a religious test for admission into the country.”

She added: “I cannot recall any historical precedent for denying immigration based on religion.”

I can: Soviet non-Jews.

In fact, I knew a Russian who was trying to fake being Jewish so she wouldn’t be kicked out of the country for not being Jewish.

Back in the 1990s, I knew one of the first of the great wave of Russian blondes to make it to the U.S. There was always a lot of drama revolving around whether or not the INS would kick her out of the country because her tourist visa had run out. Her boyfriend wasn’t interested in marrying her, so she was always on the lookout for a fake husband to scam the INS with. But when that angle petered out, she moved on to assembling genealogical records from back home to prove she was Jewish and therefore could get asylum in the U.S.

I’d never heard anything about her being even a little bit Jewish before, and it seemed like every economist in Cambridge, MA was on retainer to the Yeltsin government by that point, but apparently it was a serious plan: if she could document her theory of being Jewish by descent, she could, maybe, qualify for legal immigration to the U.S.. But if she were just a run of the mill Orthodox Christian, too bad, she was legally out of luck.

 
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  1. “Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.”

    As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.? Unless he is worried about a slippery slope. Today Donald Trump is coming for the Muslims and tomorrow he will come after Marco Rubio’s people.

    I at least understand why Hillary Clinton wants massive Islamic immigration into the U.S even though she is the WASPiest woman on the planet. More Muslims = more votes for The Democratic Party which is her party.

    • Replies: @Keith Vaz
    What a load of BS! Marco Rubio gets NOTHING from Muslim immigration as a Cuban or Catholic. Slippery slope? Really? The man is a White Christian Spaniard, so the same race as Trump. No White advocate considers Spaniards anything other than White.

    So why a cuck? Simple - he is a politician. Scots-Irish buy pols and rig the game to make them dependent on them. Also pols hang around in uber pc circles wherw nonsense like race denial is common. So he's no different to Yeb in his goyische kopf.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.?"

    You'll have to ask the people who own him - people like Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson.
    , @SFG
    Positioning mostly. Muslims aren't likely to be able to change the religious balance of the country--it's too big and too Christian--so saying Trump is over the line is a cheap way for Rubio to make himself look more moderate.
  2. Each year thousands of Chinese apply for asylum because China has persecuted some Christians

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-chinese-immigrant-gains-second-chance-at-us-asylum-after-failing-judges-surprise-bible-quiz-113377/

    In 2009, Chang asked immigration judge Barbara Nelson for U.S. asylum, claiming that he had been beaten and imprisoned in the Asian country for months after attending a church that wasn’t sanctioned by the Chinese government…….In order to test Chang’s religious claims, Judge Nelson asked the immigrant to explain the story of Paul to her in court…..

    Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards."

    They do have experience judging religious beliefs....for Christians and perhaps Jews.

    Can you imagine the scenario of: Potentially deporting or refusing assylum to one of these sainted Islamic Syrians? First they'd have to find an immigration judge who is well versed in the Koran, the Hadith, etc.

    Can you imagine how the religious test would go in full court, recorded for all posterity to read?

    "Ok, Mohammed. Answer this question on Islam. Did the Holy Prophet say which of the following: the quotes deal with the subjects of Polygamy, Jihad, and the Jizyah. Which quotes are deemed by most reputable Islamic scholars to be false and which quotes are deemed to be authentic? For part two, explain how relevant these quotes are in Moslem daily life today?"

    The question alone is enough to get the NYT; DCPost; and all right honorable keepers of the Narrative up and about to go "Aha! A judge engaged in hate crimes! Since when does s/he claim to be an authority on a faith like Islam? Why is this judge even allowed to keep his/her job?" At this point the ACLU; CAIR; and the SPLC would all be breathing down her neck and calling for her...job.

    Likewise, the answers provided to the question would also make front page news all over the US. If the answer is deemed not moderate enough, does Mohammed get in? If the answer is deemed cute, fuzzy, and koombayah, does he get in? If the answer is somewhere in between, then what?

    Nope, either way this is a no-win situation.

    Trump's idea is the most sensible one, as well as fairly practical: For the time being, no one gets in.

    , @Jim Sweeney
    Baloney. I'm a lawyer who has substantial experience in Chinese asylum cases which are generally based on Christian beliefs or the one-child policy. Last week, I had a client who applied on both basis. Asylum officers interview applicants and used to ask Biblical questions. The lawyers would prep the asylees as the questions were from a list. If the asylee's application was dis approved, they would eventually wind up in Immigration Court where similar questions would be asked. These were perfunctory and simple questions all from the same list. Applicants were more often asked to tell their favorite Bible story. Within the last few years, the practice has stopped as a federal court opined that such questions were improper.
  3. Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as “no one shall be granted a Green Card if they’re an unemployable moron.”

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he’d simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    But the policy is not written as “no one shall be granted a Green Card if they’re an unemployable moron.”

    I hope Trump adds that one to his agenda.
    , @Steve Sailer
    "Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things."

    Not under Disparate Impact reasoning.
    , @Drake

    Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.
     
    No, they are identical.

    Any system of giving advantage to one group is equivalent to a system that by default gives it to all but then deprives it from the other groups.

    Take an admission system that by default gives each applicant 10 points and then adds or subtracts based on various qualities, and let's say being Jewish gets you 5 points (positive discrimination.) This is identical to a system that sets the default at 15 points and then takes away 5 for being a gentile (negative discrimination.)
    , @G Pinfold
    And how has status quo process been working out?
    , @tbraton
    "If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he’d simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not."

    Well, I don't recall any pattern of crazed Scandinavians engaging in terrorist activities, like mass shootings and blowing things up. If there were, I would be in favor of extending the proposed ban to Scandinavians. (After all, the 40+ year old pattern in Sweden of admitting Muslims, Middle Easterners and Africans to Sweden indicates that there is a severe shortage of brain power in Sweden.) What I find more telling than Trump's proposal is the uniformly negative reaction it got from the other Republican candidates, such as Jeb!!!, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, who clearly revealed why they are failed candidates. They are so out of touch with regular Americans. They can't truly believe that coming to the defense of Muslims is going to help them in the Republican primaries, can they?
    , @Olorin
    > Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.

    In theory, maybe. But only in the eyes of elite globalistas who occupy and observe the planet from their lofty stratum, and those hoping to be allowed to remain on their plantation.
    , @scoops
    no such thing as a Christian in scandanavia!
    , @AnotherDad

    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.
     
    Steve's dead on.

    Positive and negative discrimination are in fact functionally the same things. What you're actually saying is that a *ban*--complete negative discrimination--on is different than merely a positive--but not complete--preference for not . Obviously true.

    However, when allocating a scarce good, like a job, college admission or immigration to the US, a preference tipping the scales, can function pretty darn close to a ban on those left out. And the fact is that the Soviet Jewry preference pretty much worked out that way. Almost everyone in the Soviet Union was essentially a political prisoner--denied what American's consider basic human rights. Lots of them would have liked to come here. We had a preference to let pretty much any and all Soviet Jews come. But Soviet gentiles who were identically situated in terms of education, occupation, skills, etc. would have no such preference and generally not be able to come. It was rank religious\ethnic discrimination.

    But more to the point, what the establishment is throwing a hissy fit about is not about Trump suggesting a *ban*. It's precisely that Trump is suggesting religious discrimination. If Trump had suggested a "religious compatibility" point system and assigned Christians +100 and Muslims -100--so that there was no ban, but Muslims never got to come--unless they were maybe Nobel Prize winners--because Christians were always at the front of the queue ... you’d have the exact same hissy fit. The establishment hissy is about Trump proposing that we actually *notice* and favor religiously compatible immigrants over religiously incompatible ones. This is clear from the verbiage spew. The establishment is claiming that religious discrimination in immigration is inherently out-of-bounds.

    And as Steve is pointing out, we had a policy of massive religious discrimination for Jews from the Soviet Union, not at all hidden, but widely discussed within recent memory—within the occupational span of lots of reporters and pundits. In other words, most of this establishment propaganda is ... lying.

    Of course, the reason for the difference in reaction, the Jewish refugee preference was in the interest of Jews, while Trump’s suggested policy is in the interests of *Americans*. And that idea—that Americans have the right to select immigrants who are ethnically\culturally\religiously compatible—that is simply beyond the pale. Drives ‘em flat out nuts.









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  4. Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).

    A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide.

    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?
    , @Anonymous
    "A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide."

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).
     
    That's still completely discriminatory. To give preferential immigration options to Jews that are denied to others is overtly discriminatory. Of course, that's how asylum+refugee programs have always worked.
  5. Organizations representing Jews, Christians and those of other faiths quickly joined Muslims in denouncing Mr. Trump’s proposal.

    All of these denominations make money from the refugee resettlement racket, so of course they oppose Trump. How many Americans are aware of the following facts from Refugee Resttlement Watch:

    Refugee resettlement is profitable to the organizations involved in it.
    They receive money from the federal government for each refugee they bring
    over. They have almost no real responsibilities for these refugees. After
    4 months the “sponsoring” organization is not even required to know where
    the refugee lives.

    There are 9 main major refugee resettlement organizations (Volags from
    “Voluntary Agency”) with approximately 450 affiliated organizations
    throughout the country; many are run by former refugees. Below are the 9
    Volags that operate today:

    US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB),
    Lutheran Immigrant Aid Society (LIRS),
    International Rescue Committee (IRC),
    World Relief Corporation,
    Immigrant and Refugee Services of America (IRSA),
    Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS),
    Church World Service (CWS),
    Domestic and Foreign Missionary Service of the Episcopal Church of the USA,
    Ethiopian Community Development Center (ECDC),

    Below are some of the sources of income for Volags:

    a. $1,850 per refugee (including children) from the State Department.

    b. Up to $2,200 for each refugee by participating in a U.S. DHHS program
    known as Matching Grant. To get the $2,200, the Volag need only show it
    spent $200 and gave away $800 worth of donated clothes, furniture or cars.

    c. The Volag pockets 25% of every transportation loan it collects from
    refugees it “sponsors”.

    d. All Volag expenses and overhead in the Washington, DC HQ are paid by
    the U.S. government.

    e. For their refugee programs, Volags collect money from all federal grant
    programs – “Marriage Initiative”, “Faith-based”, “Ownership Society”,
    etc., as well as from various state and local grants.

    The program is so lucrative that in some towns the Catholic Church has
    lessened support for traditional charity works to put more effort into
    resettlement. It uses collection offerings to promote the refugee
    resettlement program.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    "Volag" has a distinctly Soviet sound to me, and not just because it rhymes with GULag (State Directorate of Camps). VoenTorg is a similar shortened name (Voennoe Torgovloe, or Military Trade), etc.
  6. Mr. Trump, who in September declared “I love the Muslims,” turned sharply against them after the Paris terrorist attack

    I love how this is presented as some kind of unfathomable turnaround.

  7. @anony-mouse
    Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).

    A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide.

    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Our preferential policy on Soviet Jews was based on the idea that they were persecuted in the Soviet Union. Thus, starting in the '70's, Soviet Jews, who normally left with visas to go to Israel, could come to the US: about 40% made that choice. In the late '80's it started up again, and this brought in again large numbers of Jews, and other non-Jewish religious sectarians (Like, IIRC, the guy who murdered Bill Cosby's son.)

    However, again, if I recall correctly, the ability of Soviet Jews to come to the US easily was rescinded early in the '90's, on the reasoning that while they might be persecuted in Russia, they were welcome to go to Israel. Which is why since the early '90's most Soviet Jews went there.

    I'm willing to be corrected or have this explained to me better, but I'm pretty sure that just being Jewish was not sufficient for emigration to the US in the '90's. The tendency was definitely to get them to go to Israel. Not to say that iSteve's story is wrong, but his woman friend might have misunderstood the situation.
    , @epebble
    Actually it was not a preferential policy for Soviet Jews for just being Jews; it was because they were persecuted in USSR. As someone mentioned, Jews in non-persecuted countries were given no preference. Still, I think a small fraction of Soviet Jews came to U.S.; Most of them went to Israel. Today, if you go to Intel Israel (BTW, that is where the best Intel chips have been designed for over 10 years now), you hear a lot of Russian (along with Hebrew).
    , @TheJester
    The preferential treatment of Soviet Jews via immigration to the United States was real. I've met a number of them. Indeed, one of them married my nephew. Surprisingly, most I've met ended up in banking, which fits the stereotype of Jews ... but I do not understand the connection. They came from the Soviet Union, which was not a capitalist paradise nor did it have a financialized economy at the time.

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow and free tickets to the Bolshoi Ballet. Of interest, the women and her husband were able to flee the Soviet Union with enough cash to buy an upscale apartment in New York city. [?] Were people that wealthy in the Soviet Union at the time, was there that much cash floating around, and how did they get it out of the country?

    I try to keep up on these things but have not ran into any descriptions of Jews being persecuted in this time frame. Indeed, Jews were plentiful in the higher ranks of the nomenklatura. Did they see the handwriting on the wall? Were they like "rats" fleeing a sinking ship? Wikipedia seems to think so: "The emigration that took place from 1989 to 1993 is described as a "panic migration", due to the socio-economic crisis in the Soviet states, rather than a migration of "born-again" Jews."

    As I recall, Israel campaigned to stop the preferential treatment of Soviet Jews immigrating to the United States because the majority of the Soviet Jews fleeing the Soviet Union were choosing the United States rather than Israel. Israel used its American lobby to shut down the Jewish spigot to America under the belief that, with the United States off the table, the Jews would have no choice but to immigrate to Israel. It worked. The presence of Russian immigrants in Israel is substantial enough to support Russian-language newspapers, radio, and TV channels. Wikipedia has the statistics, but they belie the influence of Russian immigrants on Israel proper, including support for the Likud party. I've read of Russian being described as the "second language" of Israel after Hebrew (Arabic speakers, of course, are ignored).

    The scale of Jews fleeing the Soviet Union was massive. I read an article that pre-immigration, about 5% of the Soviet population was Jewish. After the exodus, it is now "decimal dust".
    , @Old Jew
    Dear SomethingToSay,

    I agree with most of your post except the line:

    "... most I’ve met ended up in banking, which fits the stereotype of Jews …".

    I do not doubt your experience. But it is totally different from mine.

    Most I have met where in Engineering or more generally in STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics). Both here and in Israel. But then I am a programmer by trade....

    Is/was your work related to banking?. This may explain your experience. I venture they worked as programmers for the bank or the stock exchange. Russian physicists could have been employed as "quants" But "Loan Officer" ? Nah.

    Their children born/grown in the USA are a different story. I knew a few with no brains for college, that became successful Mortgage Brokers before the 2008 crisis. It 'ill make their parents turn in their graves...
  8. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    But the policy is not written as “no one shall be granted a Green Card if they’re an unemployable moron.”

    I hope Trump adds that one to his agenda.

  9. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    “Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.”

    Not under Disparate Impact reasoning.

    • Agree: GW
    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Steve, tens of thousands of Russian Christians came to my area of Sacramento in the early and mid 90's. i knew a guy who was studying Russian at UC Davis and was working with these people. He said 60,000 had come. You're right, they weren't Orthodox, they were mostly Baptists. Their numbers have only swollen since then, and tons of other Eastern Europeans have come too.

    I know you know all this, but it doesn't make sense with what you said about Russian Jews. If anything, the Russian Christians seemed to have gotten the preferences.
  10. Unless these 3rd World Muslims are going to work in the hot central California sun like the Chicanos to pick the fruits and vegetables which I doubt they will, there is no need to keep bringing in more of them here.

    Hispanics are doing the jobs that even Muslims won’t do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hispanics are doing the jobs that even Muslims won’t do.
     
    If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won't do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia's face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins.
  11. They’re still running that Save Soviet Jews scam. On TV they have these infomercials that appeal to American Christians to donate to help poor ex-Soviet/Russian Jewish seniors.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "They’re still running that Save Soviet Jews scam. On TV they have these infomercials that appeal to American Christians to donate to help poor ex-Soviet/Russian Jewish seniors."

    Both the content and the treacly tone of those ads are disgusting and offensive.
    , @Olorin
    Back in the 1990s there was "Operation Exodus"

    http://www.ujafedny.org/what-we-do/strengthen-our-global-community/operation-exodus/

    http://www.jta.org/1994/06/06/archive/uja-closes-operation-exodus-campaign-expects-just-short-of-1-billion-goal

    https://www.juf.org/news/local.aspx?id=55446

    The first ex-Soviet Jews showed up around 1990 in the upscale liberal city where I was living and working at the time. Through civic involvement circles I had casual exposure to these "refugees" as well as the professional helpers who enabled their importation and occupation.

    (The access class there was quite small and very Jewish, with roots in NYC, LA, and Chicago mostly. Like Bernie Sanders, they moved to white rural areas, suburbo-rural small towns, or university/capital cities as soon as they graduated from NYU, Columbia, U of Chicago, UCLA, Stanford, etc.)

    It and a few other experiences left me with the sense that Operation Exodus was a Holocaust (TM) Industry-referenced immigration scheme designed to a) bolster Jewish numbers in target liberal cities (NY, Chicago, LA), as Jewish birth and marriage rates were declining and outmarriage increasing, and to b) force "WASPs" to pay for everything after the initial social services investment by the Jewish "social" agencies, which guilted donations out of their younger set.

    Sure enough, the LA Times ran this piece about a year later:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-01/local/me-2253_1_operation-exodus

    Actually I'm kinda surprised that one is still up. I have a clipping of it around here somewhere.
  12. You have got to love Trump for the head-exploding results we see from everyone from Ms. Rodham-Clinton to Marco ‘dad didn’t come home until the wee hours’ Rubio. Trump angers all the right people. Go Trump!

  13. @Travis
    Each year thousands of Chinese apply for asylum because China has persecuted some Christians

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-chinese-immigrant-gains-second-chance-at-us-asylum-after-failing-judges-surprise-bible-quiz-113377/

    In 2009, Chang asked immigration judge Barbara Nelson for U.S. asylum, claiming that he had been beaten and imprisoned in the Asian country for months after attending a church that wasn't sanctioned by the Chinese government.......In order to test Chang's religious claims, Judge Nelson asked the immigrant to explain the story of Paul to her in court.....

    Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards.

    “Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards.”

    They do have experience judging religious beliefs….for Christians and perhaps Jews.

    Can you imagine the scenario of: Potentially deporting or refusing assylum to one of these sainted Islamic Syrians? First they’d have to find an immigration judge who is well versed in the Koran, the Hadith, etc.

    Can you imagine how the religious test would go in full court, recorded for all posterity to read?

    “Ok, Mohammed. Answer this question on Islam. Did the Holy Prophet say which of the following: the quotes deal with the subjects of Polygamy, Jihad, and the Jizyah. Which quotes are deemed by most reputable Islamic scholars to be false and which quotes are deemed to be authentic? For part two, explain how relevant these quotes are in Moslem daily life today?”

    The question alone is enough to get the NYT; DCPost; and all right honorable keepers of the Narrative up and about to go “Aha! A judge engaged in hate crimes! Since when does s/he claim to be an authority on a faith like Islam? Why is this judge even allowed to keep his/her job?” At this point the ACLU; CAIR; and the SPLC would all be breathing down her neck and calling for her…job.

    Likewise, the answers provided to the question would also make front page news all over the US. If the answer is deemed not moderate enough, does Mohammed get in? If the answer is deemed cute, fuzzy, and koombayah, does he get in? If the answer is somewhere in between, then what?

    Nope, either way this is a no-win situation.

    Trump’s idea is the most sensible one, as well as fairly practical: For the time being, no one gets in.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    You are wrong.
    The question, for all immigrants should be:
    In what way will the US be better if you live here, what will you add?
  14. Thank You. You are doing the Lord’s Work here.

  15. @Travis
    Each year thousands of Chinese apply for asylum because China has persecuted some Christians

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-chinese-immigrant-gains-second-chance-at-us-asylum-after-failing-judges-surprise-bible-quiz-113377/

    In 2009, Chang asked immigration judge Barbara Nelson for U.S. asylum, claiming that he had been beaten and imprisoned in the Asian country for months after attending a church that wasn't sanctioned by the Chinese government.......In order to test Chang's religious claims, Judge Nelson asked the immigrant to explain the story of Paul to her in court.....

    Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards.

    Baloney. I’m a lawyer who has substantial experience in Chinese asylum cases which are generally based on Christian beliefs or the one-child policy. Last week, I had a client who applied on both basis. Asylum officers interview applicants and used to ask Biblical questions. The lawyers would prep the asylees as the questions were from a list. If the asylee’s application was dis approved, they would eventually wind up in Immigration Court where similar questions would be asked. These were perfunctory and simple questions all from the same list. Applicants were more often asked to tell their favorite Bible story. Within the last few years, the practice has stopped as a federal court opined that such questions were improper.

    • Replies: @Travis
    so you confirmed the details of the article, Judges have routinely ask questions to determine the religious beliefs of asylum seekers until recently.

    as recently as 2009 Judges were asking questions to determine if migrants were christians, and thus granted asylum based on their religious beliefs.
  16. @North Carolina Resident
    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?

    Our preferential policy on Soviet Jews was based on the idea that they were persecuted in the Soviet Union. Thus, starting in the ’70’s, Soviet Jews, who normally left with visas to go to Israel, could come to the US: about 40% made that choice. In the late ’80’s it started up again, and this brought in again large numbers of Jews, and other non-Jewish religious sectarians (Like, IIRC, the guy who murdered Bill Cosby’s son.)

    However, again, if I recall correctly, the ability of Soviet Jews to come to the US easily was rescinded early in the ’90’s, on the reasoning that while they might be persecuted in Russia, they were welcome to go to Israel. Which is why since the early ’90’s most Soviet Jews went there.

    I’m willing to be corrected or have this explained to me better, but I’m pretty sure that just being Jewish was not sufficient for emigration to the US in the ’90’s. The tendency was definitely to get them to go to Israel. Not to say that iSteve’s story is wrong, but his woman friend might have misunderstood the situation.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees. More likely, some powerful lobbyists calculated that if the communist regime falls it might fall with a giant pogrom but that prediction of course could not be discussed in public as the same lobbyists wouldn't want Americans wondering why so many locals under communist regimes might put a lot of blame for it on Jews.

    Hence the fiction of persecution to keep the door open in case real persecutions start and when the USSR just went down without much violence that motivation disappeared.
  17. I have been painfully watching the reaction to Trump’s latest provocation on various Leftist websites.

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.

    • Replies: @YIH
    ''Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment.''
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-trashes-religious-freedom-muslim/
    From the link:
    ''This is disgusting. I believe that it is reasonable to be restrictive about Islamic immigration to the US, and I despise the way the mainstream media has always gone out of its way to avert its eyes from domestic Islamic radicalism. But there is nothing reasonable about banning travel to the US on the basis of religion.''
    Kiddie porn is not 'freedom of the press': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Ferber
    And islam is not 'freedom of religion'. He claims he was in Manhattan at 8:34 EDT September 11th, 2001. He should have been able to see why islam is to freedom of religion what kiddie porn is to freedom of the press. Both are plainly destructive.
    There is a word to describe folks like him:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/12/cuckservative-how-conservatives.html
    , @jill
    Judge Napolitano said the same thing on radio station 970 AM in New York this morning
    , @ben tillman

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.
     
    At the same time, I would wager, many of them would no see no conflict between the First Amendment and US government aid to Israel.
  18. A confluence of iSteve themes: the reporter NBC has covering Trump’s campaign has a transexual father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Just wait until Trump gets into a Twitter feud with James Deen....
    , @Lot
    Steve's post on Bob>Zoey Tur, father/mother of the NBC News reporter covering Trump

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-unending-influence-of-o-j-simpsons-white-bronco-chase/
    , @Hunsdon
    It's been said before, but I'm starting to believe it.

    It's Steve Sailer's world, we're just living here.
  19. @Dave Pinsen
    A confluence of iSteve themes: the reporter NBC has covering Trump's campaign has a transexual father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur

    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/674024775891722240

    Just wait until Trump gets into a Twitter feud with James Deen….

  20. @North Carolina Resident
    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?

    Actually it was not a preferential policy for Soviet Jews for just being Jews; it was because they were persecuted in USSR. As someone mentioned, Jews in non-persecuted countries were given no preference. Still, I think a small fraction of Soviet Jews came to U.S.; Most of them went to Israel. Today, if you go to Intel Israel (BTW, that is where the best Intel chips have been designed for over 10 years now), you hear a lot of Russian (along with Hebrew).

  21. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.

    No, they are identical.

    Any system of giving advantage to one group is equivalent to a system that by default gives it to all but then deprives it from the other groups.

    Take an admission system that by default gives each applicant 10 points and then adds or subtracts based on various qualities, and let’s say being Jewish gets you 5 points (positive discrimination.) This is identical to a system that sets the default at 15 points and then takes away 5 for being a gentile (negative discrimination.)

    • Replies: @Erik L
    The analogy breaks down. Surely there were non-Jewish Russians who qualified for asylum during the cold war. It wasn't an automatic disqualification.
  22. “This is just so antithetical to the history of the United States,” said Nancy Morawetz, a professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law, who specializes in immigration. “It’s unbelievable to have a religious test for admission into the country.”

    The 1795 immigration law restricted naturalization to free *white* persons. In 1882 Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. Up until at least 1965 one law or another was on the books favoring this country’s historical ethnic majority – Northwest Europeans. So for 170 years we had “racist” immigration laws, while we’ve had supposedly “non-racist” immigration laws for at most 50 years (and that’s only if you ignore the law favoring Soviet Jews). Sounds to me like if there’s anything ‘antithetical to the history and values of this country’ it’s immigration laws that don’t take such matters into account.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    The 1795 immigration law restricted naturalization to free *white* persons.
     
    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.
  23. The US Senator responsible for gaving preferential treatment to Soviet jews is worshipped by the Neocons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson

    Its funny and ironic how jews played a large role in destroying Tsarist Russia and creating the Soviet Union and its secret police become the prime refugees of the Evil Empire that they created.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    It is ironic. And it might end up happening here if we keep getting more "Americans" like Farook.
  24. We had the same situation in Germany. Chancellor Kohl wanted to open the borders for Russian-Germans, but – to forecome leftist and international critics – let in Russian Jews as well. Now, I never heard about ethnic Russians who faked German roots (a lot of them came anyway as family members), but it was well known that a lot of Russians had to fake Jewish roots in order to get accepted in Germany. (Same story in Israel, before the Israelis began to use DNA tests.)

  25. @Dave Pinsen
    A confluence of iSteve themes: the reporter NBC has covering Trump's campaign has a transexual father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur

    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/674024775891722240

    Steve’s post on Bob>Zoey Tur, father/mother of the NBC News reporter covering Trump

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-unending-influence-of-o-j-simpsons-white-bronco-chase/

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Oh, I totally forgot that Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.
  26. @Jim Sweeney
    Baloney. I'm a lawyer who has substantial experience in Chinese asylum cases which are generally based on Christian beliefs or the one-child policy. Last week, I had a client who applied on both basis. Asylum officers interview applicants and used to ask Biblical questions. The lawyers would prep the asylees as the questions were from a list. If the asylee's application was dis approved, they would eventually wind up in Immigration Court where similar questions would be asked. These were perfunctory and simple questions all from the same list. Applicants were more often asked to tell their favorite Bible story. Within the last few years, the practice has stopped as a federal court opined that such questions were improper.

    so you confirmed the details of the article, Judges have routinely ask questions to determine the religious beliefs of asylum seekers until recently.

    as recently as 2009 Judges were asking questions to determine if migrants were christians, and thus granted asylum based on their religious beliefs.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).

    A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide.

    “A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide.”

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.
     
    Denying entry based on political beliefs would be a very interesting precedent. It would make it possible to deny entry to someone who held dangerous extremist beliefs - for example climate change sceptics, anyone opposed to homosexual marriage, anyone who doesn't believe Caitlyn Jenner is a real woman, anyone opposed to gun control. It's an idea that would be massively popular with the Left.
  28. Europe, and the US, effectively discriminate against Syrian Christians. This is due to the fact that Christians are endangered even in German refugee camps. It is extremely dangerous for Christians to be in Syrian refugee camps in Syria. The UN picks their resettlement refugees from the Christian-free refugee camps.

    Click on my website to see the entire article quoted here. Please tell your German friends about the German version of this article too.

    Persecuted Christians: No asylum, no safety!

    Christian refugees can not come to Europe, because Europe welcomes their persecutors. Europe invites and welcome Muslim Christian-killers, and Christians-as-sex-slave-apologists.
    Refugee Camps hostile to Christians

    Christian refugees get attacked in Holland, by their fellow Muslim compatriots the Christians are trying to flee from. Imagine the insurmountable danger they would face in a Syrian refugee camp
    Christians in Syria can not flee.

    Thus Christians in Syria and Iraq have nowhere to flee. Even in Holland, their life is threatened (by Muslim refugees).

    15 Christians drowned in one refugee boat

    In refugee boats they get killed by drowning. So, no wonder they don’t dare to show up in refugee camps and boats fleeing ISIS territory in the middle east.
    #IslamophobiaSavesLives

    Polish Islamophobia is the only solution: Christian Syrians need a Muslim-free zone where they are not persecuted. A problem, of course, are converts, apostates from Muslim religions. These get special protection, because the Koran, Sharia law, and the law of countries like Afghanistan condemns them to death. On the other hand it is easy for ISIS to hide fighter terrorists under the guise of Muslim apostate converts.
    It is known that Jews are fleeing Europe, due to attacks by Jew-hating Muslims we invite into Europe.

  29. @Jefferson
    Unless these 3rd World Muslims are going to work in the hot central California sun like the Chicanos to pick the fruits and vegetables which I doubt they will, there is no need to keep bringing in more of them here.

    Hispanics are doing the jobs that even Muslims won't do.

    Hispanics are doing the jobs that even Muslims won’t do.

    If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won’t do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia’s face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won’t do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia’s face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins."

    The rich oil Gulf Arab States hire Filipino women to be the nannies of their children, because Arab Muslim women have gotten too lazy to do these jobs anymore.

  30. @Lot
    Steve's post on Bob>Zoey Tur, father/mother of the NBC News reporter covering Trump

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-unending-influence-of-o-j-simpsons-white-bronco-chase/

    Oh, I totally forgot that Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.
     
    M Tur has already been torn into, it would seem.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "...Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation."

    A curt, "Say 'hi' to your dad for me," would be hilarious. How to win the White House, one micro-aggression at a time....
  31. When I was growing up in NYC, there were certain neighborhoods where Yiddish was spoken quite widely (I have quite fond memories of hearing guttural utterances while going for runs at night). When I came back from college, Yiddish began to disappear and suddenly there were all these “Jewish Refuseniks” who spoke only Russian, never went to synagogues, and never observed any Jewish holidays or rituals. There was also a sudden spike in Russian organized crime (of course, there has been always a strong Jewish presence within the broad umbrella of “Russian organized crime”).

  32. @Wilkey
    “This is just so antithetical to the history of the United States,” said Nancy Morawetz, a professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law, who specializes in immigration. “It’s unbelievable to have a religious test for admission into the country.”

    The 1795 immigration law restricted naturalization to free *white* persons. In 1882 Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. Up until at least 1965 one law or another was on the books favoring this country's historical ethnic majority - Northwest Europeans. So for 170 years we had "racist" immigration laws, while we've had supposedly "non-racist" immigration laws for at most 50 years (and that's only if you ignore the law favoring Soviet Jews). Sounds to me like if there's anything 'antithetical to the history and values of this country' it's immigration laws that don't take such matters into account.

    The 1795 immigration law restricted naturalization to free *white* persons.

    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

     

    Who was also quoted as saying we could let Mohammedans in, if they worked hard. GW, the first neoconservative?
  33. @Chiron
    The US Senator responsible for gaving preferential treatment to Soviet jews is worshipped by the Neocons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson

    Its funny and ironic how jews played a large role in destroying Tsarist Russia and creating the Soviet Union and its secret police become the prime refugees of the Evil Empire that they created.

    It is ironic. And it might end up happening here if we keep getting more “Americans” like Farook.

  34. @Reg Cæsar

    Hispanics are doing the jobs that even Muslims won’t do.
     
    If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won't do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia's face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins.

    “If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won’t do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia’s face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins.”

    The rich oil Gulf Arab States hire Filipino women to be the nannies of their children, because Arab Muslim women have gotten too lazy to do these jobs anymore.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    The Gulf States employment situation is so tenuous that Dubai is importing Americans and others for their Porta-Potties.
  35. @Dave Pinsen
    Oh, I totally forgot that Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.

    Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.

    M Tur has already been torn into, it would seem.

  36. @iSteveFan

    The 1795 immigration law restricted naturalization to free *white* persons.
     
    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

    Who was also quoted as saying we could let Mohammedans in, if they worked hard. GW, the first neoconservative?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Which law did he lobby for to allow said Mohammedans in? Did he threaten a veto? I've not seen this, but if it is true, would like to know more of its context.
    , @Wilkey
    Allowing Mohammedans in was is irrelevant if they weren't actually coming. If George Washington had experienced the sort if Islamic immigration we're experiencing today there is zero doubt he would have been against it.
  37. What was this “setback in Iowa on Monday morning” that the NYT perceives?

  38. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    And how has status quo process been working out?

  39. Nancy Morawetz added: “I cannot recall any historical precedent for denying immigration based on religion.”

    Steve: “I can: Soviet non-Jews.”

    Had she some Jewish ancestry, she might have recalled, but obviously, she has not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida banned Trump from the city. Mayor Rick Kriseman, a Jewish guy from Detriot who went to law school in Florida, and stayed. http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/mayor-bans-trump-st-petersburg-following-his-comme/npd6m/

    I say whatever Muslim immigrants come to U.S., prior to Trump becoming President, we send to St. Petersburg and southern Florida. I'm sure it will work out well. It wasn't until I was 17-years old, and working at a business owned by Middle Eastern Muslims, that I knew there was such a thing as Holocaust jokes and talk of genocide against an ethnic group while being all buddy, buddy with customers of that same group. All I can say to the Jews is "Good luck," when the last vestiges of ann0ying Christian culture is snuffed out. Not being admitted to country clubs and Skull and Bones will be the good old days. Jews in Europe will find this out in about 20 years, when demographics changes reach saturation point.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Had she some Jewish ancestry, she might have recalled, but obviously, she has not.

     

    She looks like the love child of Vincent Schiavelli.

    Who sure wasn't Jewish.
  40. Thank God for block quotes. The NYT is sounding more like a Sailer parody every day. Trump opines; the NYT cringes; quotes Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton; then, for balance, a rabbi, then an academic, Prof Nancy Morawetz.
    I’m laughing… Then I see the block quotes: It’s not satire… It’s the real thing.

  41. “Arabs and Hispanics are cousins”

    Phenotype overlap between Hispanics and Arabs is common. The half Guatemalan and half Cuban actor Oscar Isaac has played an Arab before. And so has the Spaniard Antonio Banderas, the Puerto Rican Raul Julia, and the Mexican Anthony Quinn just to name a few more.

    • Replies: @ganderson
    I was always amused that the Arab terrorist in one season of '24' was played by Afrikaner Arnold Vosloo
    , @Evocatus
    Anthony Quinn supposedly had an Irish grandfather and has often been cast as an Italian American in films.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Then you have Spaniards like Man United goalie David De Gea:
    https://twitter.com/D_DeGea/status/663074605637246978
  42. When Honduran stand up comedian Carlos Mencia traveled to Dubai, United Arab Emirates to perform stand up comedy, he mentioned on Comedy Central that some of the locals there said he could ethnically pass for a Gulf Arab phenotype wise.

  43. Didn’t your founding fathers restrict immigration to European Christians?

  44. @North Carolina Resident
    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?

    The preferential treatment of Soviet Jews via immigration to the United States was real. I’ve met a number of them. Indeed, one of them married my nephew. Surprisingly, most I’ve met ended up in banking, which fits the stereotype of Jews … but I do not understand the connection. They came from the Soviet Union, which was not a capitalist paradise nor did it have a financialized economy at the time.

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow and free tickets to the Bolshoi Ballet. Of interest, the women and her husband were able to flee the Soviet Union with enough cash to buy an upscale apartment in New York city. [?] Were people that wealthy in the Soviet Union at the time, was there that much cash floating around, and how did they get it out of the country?

    I try to keep up on these things but have not ran into any descriptions of Jews being persecuted in this time frame. Indeed, Jews were plentiful in the higher ranks of the nomenklatura. Did they see the handwriting on the wall? Were they like “rats” fleeing a sinking ship? Wikipedia seems to think so: “The emigration that took place from 1989 to 1993 is described as a “panic migration”, due to the socio-economic crisis in the Soviet states, rather than a migration of “born-again” Jews.”

    As I recall, Israel campaigned to stop the preferential treatment of Soviet Jews immigrating to the United States because the majority of the Soviet Jews fleeing the Soviet Union were choosing the United States rather than Israel. Israel used its American lobby to shut down the Jewish spigot to America under the belief that, with the United States off the table, the Jews would have no choice but to immigrate to Israel. It worked. The presence of Russian immigrants in Israel is substantial enough to support Russian-language newspapers, radio, and TV channels. Wikipedia has the statistics, but they belie the influence of Russian immigrants on Israel proper, including support for the Likud party. I’ve read of Russian being described as the “second language” of Israel after Hebrew (Arabic speakers, of course, are ignored).

    The scale of Jews fleeing the Soviet Union was massive. I read an article that pre-immigration, about 5% of the Soviet population was Jewish. After the exodus, it is now “decimal dust”.

    • Replies: @AP

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow
     
    This is not true; your source wasn't accurate. There was no such thing as private property in Soviet times (only personal property such as jewelry, clothes, books, cars, etc.); nobody owned apartments. They were merely allowed to live in them, and the government could remove the residents at any time.* When the Soviet Union collapsed people were given the title to the place they happened to live in at the time of the collapse.

    Jews are generally highly intelligent people; this combined with their clannishness can make them very successful everywhere. The Soviet system actually limited them to some extent, in the same way as, for example, Asians are limited within the Ivy League system. That is, they may have been somewhat overrepresented in comparison to their numbers in the general population but underrepresented relative to their natural abilities. Soviet Jews felt that they were held back by the Soviet system and they were right about this.

    *When my father-in-law was hired by the Central Committee in the 1980s he was given the apartment of a former Soviet minister. During a contentious meeting the minister had been demoted and just like that sent with his family to one of the non-Russian republics, losing the apartment he and his family had lived in.
  45. I don’t know if Team Trump is this clever, but the way to answer the howling and moaning from the ruling class on this is to “compromise” and say, “You’re right, A religious test is impractical. Instead, we should halt all immigration as a security matter. Until the economy is booming and the international terrorism issue is under control, we must halt all immigration.”

    That would be checkmate.

    • Replies: @Steve from Detroit
    Exactly my thoughts. Talk about laying a trap, with the media falling all over themselves to see who can be ensnared first.

    It's almost too easy.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Trump got where he is by being a good negotiator, and good negotiators always ask for more than they want. If I will settle for $5, I will demand $10 and then let you negotiate me down. Heck, I might even get $7 or $8.

    The MSM is truly a bunch of morons to fall for something so transparent. Haven't they ever haggled over the price of a car? Oh, wait. I forgot. They lease their Beemers.
    , @ChrisZ
    Z Blog: Evidently all the "Z's" around here are on the same page.

    Trump's announcement is classic "Art of the Deal," right? Suggest an objective that people will predictably complain is outrageous, then offer a compromise position that represents the goal you originally wanted to achieve.

    By forcing his opponents on the Left and Right to trot out their usual "fairness" and "impartiality" arguments, he's opened the door to using those very arguments to support a general immigration moratorium. (At least, that would be the strategic vision--which I think is well within Trump's imagination as a negotiator.)

    In the meantime, he's inspired a lot of people who would otherwise have never thought about the issue to wonder: "Why exactly CAN'T we have a moratorium on immigration?"

    And as Trump's opponents fall all over themselves admitting (rightly or wrongly): "Sure, we've restricted immigration in the past--for this and that reason; but not on the basis of religion"--they are merely providing evidence that America HAS and CAN restrict immigration, period.

    If this is indeed what he's doing, Trump is masterfully playing the entire political-media class for the predictable fools they are. I guess time will tell.
  46. @Clifford Brown
    I have been painfully watching the reaction to Trump's latest provocation on various Leftist websites.

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.

    ”Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment.”
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-trashes-religious-freedom-muslim/
    From the link:
    ”This is disgusting. I believe that it is reasonable to be restrictive about Islamic immigration to the US, and I despise the way the mainstream media has always gone out of its way to avert its eyes from domestic Islamic radicalism. But there is nothing reasonable about banning travel to the US on the basis of religion.”
    Kiddie porn is not ‘freedom of the press’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Ferber
    And islam is not ‘freedom of religion’. He claims he was in Manhattan at 8:34 EDT September 11th, 2001. He should have been able to see why islam is to freedom of religion what kiddie porn is to freedom of the press. Both are plainly destructive.
    There is a word to describe folks like him:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/12/cuckservative-how-conservatives.html

  47. @Harry Baldwin
    Organizations representing Jews, Christians and those of other faiths quickly joined Muslims in denouncing Mr. Trump’s proposal.

    All of these denominations make money from the refugee resettlement racket, so of course they oppose Trump. How many Americans are aware of the following facts from Refugee Resttlement Watch:

    Refugee resettlement is profitable to the organizations involved in it.
    They receive money from the federal government for each refugee they bring
    over. They have almost no real responsibilities for these refugees. After
    4 months the “sponsoring” organization is not even required to know where
    the refugee lives.

    There are 9 main major refugee resettlement organizations (Volags from
    “Voluntary Agency”) with approximately 450 affiliated organizations
    throughout the country; many are run by former refugees. Below are the 9
    Volags that operate today:

    US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB),
    Lutheran Immigrant Aid Society (LIRS),
    International Rescue Committee (IRC),
    World Relief Corporation,
    Immigrant and Refugee Services of America (IRSA),
    Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS),
    Church World Service (CWS),
    Domestic and Foreign Missionary Service of the Episcopal Church of the USA,
    Ethiopian Community Development Center (ECDC),

    Below are some of the sources of income for Volags:

    a. $1,850 per refugee (including children) from the State Department.

    b. Up to $2,200 for each refugee by participating in a U.S. DHHS program
    known as Matching Grant. To get the $2,200, the Volag need only show it
    spent $200 and gave away $800 worth of donated clothes, furniture or cars.

    c. The Volag pockets 25% of every transportation loan it collects from
    refugees it “sponsors”.

    d. All Volag expenses and overhead in the Washington, DC HQ are paid by
    the U.S. government.

    e. For their refugee programs, Volags collect money from all federal grant
    programs – “Marriage Initiative”, “Faith-based”, “Ownership Society”,
    etc., as well as from various state and local grants.

    The program is so lucrative that in some towns the Catholic Church has
    lessened support for traditional charity works to put more effort into
    resettlement. It uses collection offerings to promote the refugee
    resettlement program.
     

    “Volag” has a distinctly Soviet sound to me, and not just because it rhymes with GULag (State Directorate of Camps). VoenTorg is a similar shortened name (Voennoe Torgovloe, or Military Trade), etc.

  48. @Dave Pinsen
    A confluence of iSteve themes: the reporter NBC has covering Trump's campaign has a transexual father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur

    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/674024775891722240

    It’s been said before, but I’m starting to believe it.

    It’s Steve Sailer’s world, we’re just living here.

    • Agree: Hail
  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @a reader
    Nancy Morawetz added: “I cannot recall any historical precedent for denying immigration based on religion.”

    Steve: "I can: Soviet non-Jews."

    Had she some Jewish ancestry, she might have recalled, but obviously, she has not.

    The mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida banned Trump from the city. Mayor Rick Kriseman, a Jewish guy from Detriot who went to law school in Florida, and stayed. http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/mayor-bans-trump-st-petersburg-following-his-comme/npd6m/

    I say whatever Muslim immigrants come to U.S., prior to Trump becoming President, we send to St. Petersburg and southern Florida. I’m sure it will work out well. It wasn’t until I was 17-years old, and working at a business owned by Middle Eastern Muslims, that I knew there was such a thing as Holocaust jokes and talk of genocide against an ethnic group while being all buddy, buddy with customers of that same group. All I can say to the Jews is “Good luck,” when the last vestiges of ann0ying Christian culture is snuffed out. Not being admitted to country clubs and Skull and Bones will be the good old days. Jews in Europe will find this out in about 20 years, when demographics changes reach saturation point.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @SFG
    They've already figured it out--the Front National is actually picking up reasonable portions of the Jewish vote.

    Here it'll never happen, because enough Muslims will never come to Islamify the country. Too far away, and the population's too Christian.

    Which means Jews will stay liberal, but it's better than inflicting sharia law on Americans. Ugh.
  50. @The Z Blog
    I don't know if Team Trump is this clever, but the way to answer the howling and moaning from the ruling class on this is to "compromise" and say, "You're right, A religious test is impractical. Instead, we should halt all immigration as a security matter. Until the economy is booming and the international terrorism issue is under control, we must halt all immigration."

    That would be checkmate.

    Exactly my thoughts. Talk about laying a trap, with the media falling all over themselves to see who can be ensnared first.

    It’s almost too easy.

  51. @SPMoore8
    Our preferential policy on Soviet Jews was based on the idea that they were persecuted in the Soviet Union. Thus, starting in the '70's, Soviet Jews, who normally left with visas to go to Israel, could come to the US: about 40% made that choice. In the late '80's it started up again, and this brought in again large numbers of Jews, and other non-Jewish religious sectarians (Like, IIRC, the guy who murdered Bill Cosby's son.)

    However, again, if I recall correctly, the ability of Soviet Jews to come to the US easily was rescinded early in the '90's, on the reasoning that while they might be persecuted in Russia, they were welcome to go to Israel. Which is why since the early '90's most Soviet Jews went there.

    I'm willing to be corrected or have this explained to me better, but I'm pretty sure that just being Jewish was not sufficient for emigration to the US in the '90's. The tendency was definitely to get them to go to Israel. Not to say that iSteve's story is wrong, but his woman friend might have misunderstood the situation.

    Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees. More likely, some powerful lobbyists calculated that if the communist regime falls it might fall with a giant pogrom but that prediction of course could not be discussed in public as the same lobbyists wouldn’t want Americans wondering why so many locals under communist regimes might put a lot of blame for it on Jews.

    Hence the fiction of persecution to keep the door open in case real persecutions start and when the USSR just went down without much violence that motivation disappeared.

    • Replies: @AP
    It was easier for children of proles and agricultural workers to obtain positions and university placements in the late USSR than it was for people such as Jews. It wasn't open or violent discrimination, but something like what Asians have to put up with when they try to apply to the Ivy Leagues, only it happened in many more contexts in the USSR.
    , @Steve Sailer
    By 1970, a lot of Soviet professions had quotas restricting the percentage of Jews to be hired.
    , @Karl
    >>> Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees

    People were being given long prison terms for studying the Hebrew language.
  52. @Drake

    Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.
     
    No, they are identical.

    Any system of giving advantage to one group is equivalent to a system that by default gives it to all but then deprives it from the other groups.

    Take an admission system that by default gives each applicant 10 points and then adds or subtracts based on various qualities, and let's say being Jewish gets you 5 points (positive discrimination.) This is identical to a system that sets the default at 15 points and then takes away 5 for being a gentile (negative discrimination.)

    The analogy breaks down. Surely there were non-Jewish Russians who qualified for asylum during the cold war. It wasn’t an automatic disqualification.

  53. In LORD OF WAR Nicolas Cage and his Ukrainian family pretend to be jews to stay in America.

    • Replies: @AP
    This is not uncommon. Or people immigrate as Jews because they have a single Jewish grandparent. I know someone like this, married to a very devout Orthodox Christian religious fanatic. Their 1/8 Jewish, Orthodox Christian kids are here because of Jewish refugee status.
  54. Keith Vaz [AKA "Marco Mobley"] says:
    @Jefferson
    "Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.”

    As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.? Unless he is worried about a slippery slope. Today Donald Trump is coming for the Muslims and tomorrow he will come after Marco Rubio's people.

    I at least understand why Hillary Clinton wants massive Islamic immigration into the U.S even though she is the WASPiest woman on the planet. More Muslims = more votes for The Democratic Party which is her party.

    What a load of BS! Marco Rubio gets NOTHING from Muslim immigration as a Cuban or Catholic. Slippery slope? Really? The man is a White Christian Spaniard, so the same race as Trump. No White advocate considers Spaniards anything other than White.

    So why a cuck? Simple – he is a politician. Scots-Irish buy pols and rig the game to make them dependent on them. Also pols hang around in uber pc circles wherw nonsense like race denial is common. So he’s no different to Yeb in his goyische kopf.

  55. @Jaakko Raipala
    Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees. More likely, some powerful lobbyists calculated that if the communist regime falls it might fall with a giant pogrom but that prediction of course could not be discussed in public as the same lobbyists wouldn't want Americans wondering why so many locals under communist regimes might put a lot of blame for it on Jews.

    Hence the fiction of persecution to keep the door open in case real persecutions start and when the USSR just went down without much violence that motivation disappeared.

    It was easier for children of proles and agricultural workers to obtain positions and university placements in the late USSR than it was for people such as Jews. It wasn’t open or violent discrimination, but something like what Asians have to put up with when they try to apply to the Ivy Leagues, only it happened in many more contexts in the USSR.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "It wasn’t open or violent discrimination, but something like what Asians have to put up with when they try to apply to the Ivy Leagues, only it happened in many more contexts in the USSR."

    Is this a joke? Asians are vastly over-represented at Ivy League schools, which have always made it perfectly clear that they don't admit students based solely on grades and test scores, and also that they want a class of students with a diverse set of skills and interests, i.e. they wouldn't want 40% of their classes to be comprised of violin- or piano-playing Asians. Furthermore, with their Affirmative Action policies for NAM applicants, these schools have shown a concern for having their student body reflect the degree to which various racial/ethnic groups are represented in the U.S. population as a whole. My understanding is that Asians are under the misconception that the U.S.'s elite schools accept their students in the same manner that Asian/Chinese schools do, but that is not how our schools work.
  56. @Jaakko Raipala
    Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees. More likely, some powerful lobbyists calculated that if the communist regime falls it might fall with a giant pogrom but that prediction of course could not be discussed in public as the same lobbyists wouldn't want Americans wondering why so many locals under communist regimes might put a lot of blame for it on Jews.

    Hence the fiction of persecution to keep the door open in case real persecutions start and when the USSR just went down without much violence that motivation disappeared.

    By 1970, a lot of Soviet professions had quotas restricting the percentage of Jews to be hired.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Disparate impact?
    , @BurplesonAFB
    AA is functionally a quota on whites
    , @MarkinLA
    The USSR also had free speech and a whole lot of other things that really didn't exist. In a system as corrupt as the USSR I bet a lot of the official policies were never followed. If somebody wanted you in, you probably got in.
  57. @TheJester
    The preferential treatment of Soviet Jews via immigration to the United States was real. I've met a number of them. Indeed, one of them married my nephew. Surprisingly, most I've met ended up in banking, which fits the stereotype of Jews ... but I do not understand the connection. They came from the Soviet Union, which was not a capitalist paradise nor did it have a financialized economy at the time.

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow and free tickets to the Bolshoi Ballet. Of interest, the women and her husband were able to flee the Soviet Union with enough cash to buy an upscale apartment in New York city. [?] Were people that wealthy in the Soviet Union at the time, was there that much cash floating around, and how did they get it out of the country?

    I try to keep up on these things but have not ran into any descriptions of Jews being persecuted in this time frame. Indeed, Jews were plentiful in the higher ranks of the nomenklatura. Did they see the handwriting on the wall? Were they like "rats" fleeing a sinking ship? Wikipedia seems to think so: "The emigration that took place from 1989 to 1993 is described as a "panic migration", due to the socio-economic crisis in the Soviet states, rather than a migration of "born-again" Jews."

    As I recall, Israel campaigned to stop the preferential treatment of Soviet Jews immigrating to the United States because the majority of the Soviet Jews fleeing the Soviet Union were choosing the United States rather than Israel. Israel used its American lobby to shut down the Jewish spigot to America under the belief that, with the United States off the table, the Jews would have no choice but to immigrate to Israel. It worked. The presence of Russian immigrants in Israel is substantial enough to support Russian-language newspapers, radio, and TV channels. Wikipedia has the statistics, but they belie the influence of Russian immigrants on Israel proper, including support for the Likud party. I've read of Russian being described as the "second language" of Israel after Hebrew (Arabic speakers, of course, are ignored).

    The scale of Jews fleeing the Soviet Union was massive. I read an article that pre-immigration, about 5% of the Soviet population was Jewish. After the exodus, it is now "decimal dust".

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow

    This is not true; your source wasn’t accurate. There was no such thing as private property in Soviet times (only personal property such as jewelry, clothes, books, cars, etc.); nobody owned apartments. They were merely allowed to live in them, and the government could remove the residents at any time.* When the Soviet Union collapsed people were given the title to the place they happened to live in at the time of the collapse.

    Jews are generally highly intelligent people; this combined with their clannishness can make them very successful everywhere. The Soviet system actually limited them to some extent, in the same way as, for example, Asians are limited within the Ivy League system. That is, they may have been somewhat overrepresented in comparison to their numbers in the general population but underrepresented relative to their natural abilities. Soviet Jews felt that they were held back by the Soviet system and they were right about this.

    *When my father-in-law was hired by the Central Committee in the 1980s he was given the apartment of a former Soviet minister. During a contentious meeting the minister had been demoted and just like that sent with his family to one of the non-Russian republics, losing the apartment he and his family had lived in.

    • Replies: @TheJester
    That is expressly my point ... an exception was made. The woman said that they, as special privileges afforded Jews, were allowed to buy an apartment in Moscow. (Why would she lie to me?) I understood this in the context of Perestroika as the communist system started to become unglued in the Soviet Union. In that era, lots of "privileges" were afforded to connected people, which was how, as the "dam broke", the Soviet economy was quickly expropriated as private property by the Oligarchs. Law and consistency are not the hallmarks of a corrupt political system in transition.
  58. @Jefferson
    "Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.”

    As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.? Unless he is worried about a slippery slope. Today Donald Trump is coming for the Muslims and tomorrow he will come after Marco Rubio's people.

    I at least understand why Hillary Clinton wants massive Islamic immigration into the U.S even though she is the WASPiest woman on the planet. More Muslims = more votes for The Democratic Party which is her party.

    “As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.?”

    You’ll have to ask the people who own him – people like Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson.

  59. @Anonymous
    In LORD OF WAR Nicolas Cage and his Ukrainian family pretend to be jews to stay in America.

    This is not uncommon. Or people immigrate as Jews because they have a single Jewish grandparent. I know someone like this, married to a very devout Orthodox Christian religious fanatic. Their 1/8 Jewish, Orthodox Christian kids are here because of Jewish refugee status.

  60. @Clifford Brown
    I have been painfully watching the reaction to Trump's latest provocation on various Leftist websites.

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.

    Judge Napolitano said the same thing on radio station 970 AM in New York this morning

  61. @Anonymous
    They're still running that Save Soviet Jews scam. On TV they have these infomercials that appeal to American Christians to donate to help poor ex-Soviet/Russian Jewish seniors.

    “They’re still running that Save Soviet Jews scam. On TV they have these infomercials that appeal to American Christians to donate to help poor ex-Soviet/Russian Jewish seniors.”

    Both the content and the treacly tone of those ads are disgusting and offensive.

  62. Mr. Trump is “unhinged,” said one Republican rival, former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, while another, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.”

    Unlike athletes and coaches, politicians have an amazing inability to grasp the difference between offense and defense.

    One really has to be a mindless conduit of the zeitgeist to call this proposal offensive instead of defensive.

  63. @The Z Blog
    I don't know if Team Trump is this clever, but the way to answer the howling and moaning from the ruling class on this is to "compromise" and say, "You're right, A religious test is impractical. Instead, we should halt all immigration as a security matter. Until the economy is booming and the international terrorism issue is under control, we must halt all immigration."

    That would be checkmate.

    Trump got where he is by being a good negotiator, and good negotiators always ask for more than they want. If I will settle for $5, I will demand $10 and then let you negotiate me down. Heck, I might even get $7 or $8.

    The MSM is truly a bunch of morons to fall for something so transparent. Haven’t they ever haggled over the price of a car? Oh, wait. I forgot. They lease their Beemers.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "Trump got where he is by being a good negotiator, and good negotiators always ask for more than they want. If I will settle for $5, I will demand $10 and then let you negotiate me down. Heck, I might even get $7 or $8."

    I suddenly had this vision of Yeb! at the marketplace - the gringo who pays full price.
  64. @The Z Blog
    I don't know if Team Trump is this clever, but the way to answer the howling and moaning from the ruling class on this is to "compromise" and say, "You're right, A religious test is impractical. Instead, we should halt all immigration as a security matter. Until the economy is booming and the international terrorism issue is under control, we must halt all immigration."

    That would be checkmate.

    Z Blog: Evidently all the “Z’s” around here are on the same page.

    Trump’s announcement is classic “Art of the Deal,” right? Suggest an objective that people will predictably complain is outrageous, then offer a compromise position that represents the goal you originally wanted to achieve.

    By forcing his opponents on the Left and Right to trot out their usual “fairness” and “impartiality” arguments, he’s opened the door to using those very arguments to support a general immigration moratorium. (At least, that would be the strategic vision–which I think is well within Trump’s imagination as a negotiator.)

    In the meantime, he’s inspired a lot of people who would otherwise have never thought about the issue to wonder: “Why exactly CAN’T we have a moratorium on immigration?”

    And as Trump’s opponents fall all over themselves admitting (rightly or wrongly): “Sure, we’ve restricted immigration in the past–for this and that reason; but not on the basis of religion”–they are merely providing evidence that America HAS and CAN restrict immigration, period.

    If this is indeed what he’s doing, Trump is masterfully playing the entire political-media class for the predictable fools they are. I guess time will tell.

  65. @Clifford Brown
    I have been painfully watching the reaction to Trump's latest provocation on various Leftist websites.

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.

    Apparently, decades of shoddy education has accomplished its goal as commentators repeatedly claim that immigration limits on Muslims somehow violate the First Amendment. I am not making this up. The same group that wants to limit Free Speech protections at every turn believes that the First Amendment guarantees unlimited Islamic migration.

    At the same time, I would wager, many of them would no see no conflict between the First Amendment and US government aid to Israel.

  66. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This is all very ironic since Russian gentiles were less dangerous to America than Jewish-Americans.

    For a long time, many American Jews were radical leftist.

    And even after the majority of Jews turned against the USSR for its ‘anti-Jewish’ policies, Jews from Russia were more likely to partake in radical politics in America. Not necessarily in commie stuff but in homo stuff, anti-white stuff, anti-Christian stuff, and etc. Even after many Jews dropped radical leftism or Marxism, their anti-white and anti-Christian animus remained.

    I think Neocons have done more damage to the GOP and American Conservatism, and many of them are of Eastern European background.

    Btw, Trump went too far with this. He should have called for more strict screening for Muslims. That would be acceptable to most Americans. Give Muslim immigration applicants more attention. But the idea of banning ALL MUSLIMS goes too far.

    Also, this Muslim terror problem is limited to certain nations. Those nations should be targeted. I mean how many Indonesian Muslim terrorists have there been in America? How many Asian-Indian-Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in America? I know some Paki-Americans, and they are more red-white-and-blue than I am and always had arguments with Jews in high school about politics.

    I say the more sensible measure is give special attention to Muslim applicants, especially from nations like Saudi Arabia, our so-called ally. (Interesting that Iranian-Americans have not been at the forefront of terror attacks in US or EU.)

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Jews from Russia were more likely to partake in radical politics in America. Not necessarily in commie stuff but in homo stuff, anti-white stuff, anti-Christian stuff, and etc.
     
    I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish 'refugees'. They were just the opposite of what you're claiming. They were mostly secular and didn't bother themselves with being 'anti' much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don't think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it.

    I know some Paki-Americans, and they are more red-white-and-blue than I am
     
    The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very "red-white-and blue".
  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AP
    It was easier for children of proles and agricultural workers to obtain positions and university placements in the late USSR than it was for people such as Jews. It wasn't open or violent discrimination, but something like what Asians have to put up with when they try to apply to the Ivy Leagues, only it happened in many more contexts in the USSR.

    “It wasn’t open or violent discrimination, but something like what Asians have to put up with when they try to apply to the Ivy Leagues, only it happened in many more contexts in the USSR.”

    Is this a joke? Asians are vastly over-represented at Ivy League schools, which have always made it perfectly clear that they don’t admit students based solely on grades and test scores, and also that they want a class of students with a diverse set of skills and interests, i.e. they wouldn’t want 40% of their classes to be comprised of violin- or piano-playing Asians. Furthermore, with their Affirmative Action policies for NAM applicants, these schools have shown a concern for having their student body reflect the degree to which various racial/ethnic groups are represented in the U.S. population as a whole. My understanding is that Asians are under the misconception that the U.S.’s elite schools accept their students in the same manner that Asian/Chinese schools do, but that is not how our schools work.

  68. @Jefferson
    "Arabs and Hispanics are cousins"

    Phenotype overlap between Hispanics and Arabs is common. The half Guatemalan and half Cuban actor Oscar Isaac has played an Arab before. And so has the Spaniard Antonio Banderas, the Puerto Rican Raul Julia, and the Mexican Anthony Quinn just to name a few more.

    I was always amused that the Arab terrorist in one season of ’24’ was played by Afrikaner Arnold Vosloo

  69. OT but may be a useful tool for Steve:

    Morning Consult launched a large database of their polling data and issue based questions which can be easily filtered and cross cut with various demographic and other background info. Free to use, and easy to produce interesting visualizations and export data as well.

    https://morningconsultintelligence.com/

    Writeup in Politico: http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2015/12/morning-consult-to-launch-new-polling-data-tool-216524

  70. @Jefferson
    "Arabs and Hispanics are cousins"

    Phenotype overlap between Hispanics and Arabs is common. The half Guatemalan and half Cuban actor Oscar Isaac has played an Arab before. And so has the Spaniard Antonio Banderas, the Puerto Rican Raul Julia, and the Mexican Anthony Quinn just to name a few more.

    Anthony Quinn supposedly had an Irish grandfather and has often been cast as an Italian American in films.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    And of course Auda abu Tayi, a river to his people!
    , @Richard S
    And Omar Sharif played a German and a Russian at different times..
  71. So Nancy Morawetz is a professor specializing in immigration law? Embarrassing. Pro tip for the NYT: don’t call her for any more quotes.

  72. I suppose I’m in the minority in thinking that an IQ of 108 (or even the fantasists’ 112-115) isn’t “highly intelligent,” any more than an IQ of 92 as “highly stupid.” “Sharp” and “dull,” or even “smart” and “dumb,” seem more appropriate.

    • Replies: @SFG
    No, but you get huge differences in the numbers at the edges of the distribution. Enough to change history.
  73. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship — all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship — all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.
     
    Because up until now no one with the influence of a Donald Trump has come out and said what many believe, but are afraid to say. If Trump can make such a policy suggestion and survive, it sends a signal to others. And that is the real threat. We know Trump's policy would never be implement, at least in regards to muslim citizens. But just allowing such free discourse to take place without penalty serves to push back the PC censorship and gives countless others the moral courage to do the same.

    Trump might have been a huge annoyance up until yesterday. But now he is an absolute threat to their entire worldview.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Scarborough cuts off Trump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOEDD_0pJVE
    , @Jonathan Mason

    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.
     
    That is why they call it commercial television. Advertising trumps all.
  74. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    This is all very ironic since Russian gentiles were less dangerous to America than Jewish-Americans.

    For a long time, many American Jews were radical leftist.

    And even after the majority of Jews turned against the USSR for its 'anti-Jewish' policies, Jews from Russia were more likely to partake in radical politics in America. Not necessarily in commie stuff but in homo stuff, anti-white stuff, anti-Christian stuff, and etc. Even after many Jews dropped radical leftism or Marxism, their anti-white and anti-Christian animus remained.

    I think Neocons have done more damage to the GOP and American Conservatism, and many of them are of Eastern European background.

    Btw, Trump went too far with this. He should have called for more strict screening for Muslims. That would be acceptable to most Americans. Give Muslim immigration applicants more attention. But the idea of banning ALL MUSLIMS goes too far.

    Also, this Muslim terror problem is limited to certain nations. Those nations should be targeted. I mean how many Indonesian Muslim terrorists have there been in America? How many Asian-Indian-Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in America? I know some Paki-Americans, and they are more red-white-and-blue than I am and always had arguments with Jews in high school about politics.

    I say the more sensible measure is give special attention to Muslim applicants, especially from nations like Saudi Arabia, our so-called ally. (Interesting that Iranian-Americans have not been at the forefront of terror attacks in US or EU.)

    Jews from Russia were more likely to partake in radical politics in America. Not necessarily in commie stuff but in homo stuff, anti-white stuff, anti-Christian stuff, and etc.

    I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish ‘refugees’. They were just the opposite of what you’re claiming. They were mostly secular and didn’t bother themselves with being ‘anti’ much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don’t think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it.

    I know some Paki-Americans, and they are more red-white-and-blue than I am

    The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very “red-white-and blue”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish ‘refugees’. They were just the opposite of what you’re claiming. They were mostly secular and didn’t bother themselves with being ‘anti’ much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don’t think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it."

    How recent?

    A lot of Soviet refuseniks who came to US in the 80s turned Democratic.
    For a while, they(at least parents) were Republican for anti-communist reasons, but even this anti-communism was more anti-Russian-ism.

    Once communism ended, many of these Russian Jews turned Democratic.
    We see the same pattern with Asians.

    Also, the American Jewish establishment favors Jewish emigres with similar political leanings. So, if there is a Russian-Jewish immigrant who is anti-homo and someone like Masha Gessen, the latter gets the cake.

    "The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very 'red-white-and blue'."

    Your average Pakhead is very much like an average dotter.

    I don't know about UK but in the US, there isn't much difference.

    Besides, the couple got radicalized in Saudi Arabia and Gulf States, the favorite Muslim nations of the US.
  75. 1. There’s a large moral gulf between encouraging an action, and forcefully preventing an action from happening. It’s like eugenics: one can push healthy/smart people into having more children, or one can prevent sick/stupid people from having any at all. Encouraging immigration of group X is wildly different from prohibiting immigration of group Y.

    2. Christians were not barred from seeking refuge from the USSR, nor were Jews preferred over them. There are plenty of Christians who emigrated at the same time and through similar channels as the Jews did; I personally know several such families. Especially many minority Christian sects left (they were indeed subjugated more than standard Orthodox Russians, partially because they were more open in their refusal to conform to the state’s areligious norms).

    3. Trump probably went a bit too far here. He should have phrased it as blocking immigration from “Muslim countries” rather than Muslim people. Or, better yet, he should have suggested a moratorium on all immigration, until, like he says, “we can figure out what’s going on.”

  76. Trump’s demagogue and bulling by blatantly distorting the truth, has a penchant for telling “the big lie” and needs to cure himself by having more sex. –Michael Santomauro

  77. Former Nazis were also barred from immigrating into the U.S., despite the fact that Nazism was completely discredited and destroyed as an ideology by WW2.

  78. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    “If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he’d simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.”

    Well, I don’t recall any pattern of crazed Scandinavians engaging in terrorist activities, like mass shootings and blowing things up. If there were, I would be in favor of extending the proposed ban to Scandinavians. (After all, the 40+ year old pattern in Sweden of admitting Muslims, Middle Easterners and Africans to Sweden indicates that there is a severe shortage of brain power in Sweden.) What I find more telling than Trump’s proposal is the uniformly negative reaction it got from the other Republican candidates, such as Jeb!!!, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, who clearly revealed why they are failed candidates. They are so out of touch with regular Americans. They can’t truly believe that coming to the defense of Muslims is going to help them in the Republican primaries, can they?

  79. @Reg Cæsar

    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

     

    Who was also quoted as saying we could let Mohammedans in, if they worked hard. GW, the first neoconservative?

    Which law did he lobby for to allow said Mohammedans in? Did he threaten a veto? I’ve not seen this, but if it is true, would like to know more of its context.

  80. @anonymous
    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship -- all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.

    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship — all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.

    Because up until now no one with the influence of a Donald Trump has come out and said what many believe, but are afraid to say. If Trump can make such a policy suggestion and survive, it sends a signal to others. And that is the real threat. We know Trump’s policy would never be implement, at least in regards to muslim citizens. But just allowing such free discourse to take place without penalty serves to push back the PC censorship and gives countless others the moral courage to do the same.

    Trump might have been a huge annoyance up until yesterday. But now he is an absolute threat to their entire worldview.

  81. @Evocatus
    Anthony Quinn supposedly had an Irish grandfather and has often been cast as an Italian American in films.

    And of course Auda abu Tayi, a river to his people!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    And of course Auda abu Tayi, a river to his people!
     
    Love that line " ... yet i am poor, because *i* am a *river* to my people".

    If only we had leaders like Auda. Of course, Auda wasn't poor at all he was enjoying the leaders share of the loot. But he did cut his people in on the loot too. And i don't mind our elite getting rich. But i do mind them crapping all over us and selling us out. And that's what Auda didn't do to his people.
  82. @Steve Sailer
    By 1970, a lot of Soviet professions had quotas restricting the percentage of Jews to be hired.

    Disparate impact?

    • Replies: @SFG
    Almost certainly.
  83. @Evocatus
    Anthony Quinn supposedly had an Irish grandfather and has often been cast as an Italian American in films.

    And Omar Sharif played a German and a Russian at different times..

  84. @Steve Sailer
    "Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things."

    Not under Disparate Impact reasoning.

    Steve, tens of thousands of Russian Christians came to my area of Sacramento in the early and mid 90’s. i knew a guy who was studying Russian at UC Davis and was working with these people. He said 60,000 had come. You’re right, they weren’t Orthodox, they were mostly Baptists. Their numbers have only swollen since then, and tons of other Eastern Europeans have come too.

    I know you know all this, but it doesn’t make sense with what you said about Russian Jews. If anything, the Russian Christians seemed to have gotten the preferences.

  85. It’s now 5.22 in England, and the first 22 minutes of the hour-long Radio Four news have been almost entirely devoted to Donald Trump.Even David Cameron has said it’s a bad idea, though that’s par for the course. Guardian’s having conniptions.

    And OT but vaguely iStevey, a woman rugby player in the UK has died of a brain hemorrhage after a bang on the head during training.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/08/devon-female-rugby-player-dies-head-injury

  86. The obvious upshot here is that discrimination, as it were, against Christians, is simply irrelevant. Discrimination only raises a flag when it’s wielded against part of the KKKrazy Glue Coalition. A Russian (“White”) Christian woman, simply doesn’t rate. These days, she could probably get a visa, by claiming to be a lesbian. Keeping out good Christian women, is just normal public policy. Keeping out radical Muslims that want to kill us during our Christmas parties, well, that is just plain fascism, and must be opposed by all persons of goodwill!

  87. @Reg Cæsar

    That and its very similar predecessor, the Naturalization Act of 1790, were both signed into law by the father of our nation, George Washington.

     

    Who was also quoted as saying we could let Mohammedans in, if they worked hard. GW, the first neoconservative?

    Allowing Mohammedans in was is irrelevant if they weren’t actually coming. If George Washington had experienced the sort if Islamic immigration we’re experiencing today there is zero doubt he would have been against it.

  88. @a reader
    Nancy Morawetz added: “I cannot recall any historical precedent for denying immigration based on religion.”

    Steve: "I can: Soviet non-Jews."

    Had she some Jewish ancestry, she might have recalled, but obviously, she has not.

    Had she some Jewish ancestry, she might have recalled, but obviously, she has not.

    She looks like the love child of Vincent Schiavelli.

    Who sure wasn’t Jewish.

  89. @Jefferson
    "If the KSA and Gulf states are any indication, all jobs are jobs Arabs won’t do.

    Thanks to 700 years of sitting on Iberia’s face, Arabs and Hispanics are cousins."

    The rich oil Gulf Arab States hire Filipino women to be the nannies of their children, because Arab Muslim women have gotten too lazy to do these jobs anymore.

    The Gulf States employment situation is so tenuous that Dubai is importing Americans and others for their Porta-Potties.

    • Replies: @RobertS
    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=1052

    Topics include:

    Matt’s article Tag The Sponsor Exposes The Depravity Of Modern Women about Instagram models who whore themselves out to Arab oil Sheiks in Dubai
    The Depravity of Dubai and other Oil Rich Arab Gulf States
    Do these women become irreparably damaged??
    How Societies Sexual mores have declined
    Matt’s article on Cassandra Lynn’s Death Shows Why You Should Never Wife Up Broken Girls
    , @Evocatus
    Unfortunately, the issue of Saudi and Emirati Sheikhs defecating on western Instagram hoes for $40,000 a pop isn't likely to become a topic in the upcoming debates anytime soon.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/57833/do-women-become-irreparably-damaged-after-allowing-arab-princes-to-defecate-on-them
  90. @Dave Pinsen
    Oh, I totally forgot that Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.

    “…Mx. Tur was the one who threatened Ben Shapiro on TV. Trump has a new thing where he singles out reporters at rallies and tears into them. Wonder if he knows the Tur situation.”

    A curt, “Say ‘hi’ to your dad for me,” would be hilarious. How to win the White House, one micro-aggression at a time….

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  91. @Ivy
    The Gulf States employment situation is so tenuous that Dubai is importing Americans and others for their Porta-Potties.

    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=1052

    Topics include:

    Matt’s article Tag The Sponsor Exposes The Depravity Of Modern Women about Instagram models who whore themselves out to Arab oil Sheiks in Dubai
    The Depravity of Dubai and other Oil Rich Arab Gulf States
    Do these women become irreparably damaged??
    How Societies Sexual mores have declined
    Matt’s article on Cassandra Lynn’s Death Shows Why You Should Never Wife Up Broken Girls

  92. @anonymous
    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship -- all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.

    Scarborough cuts off Trump.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Scarborough is a self-serving, pretend conservative. Using the now famous 'cuck' prefix for Scarborogh defames genuine cuckservatives. I would call him a whore, but again, I'd be impugning the relatively high moral standards of whores when compared to Scarborough.

    But you have to admire Scarborough's flawless sense of which side butters his bread.
  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How in the world are the genius professors cited by the NYT declaring this unconstitutional? Sure we can’t ban people from practicing a religion if already here but that is not what Trump proposed. Are these people claiming the constitution applies to all people on earth before they even set foot anywhere near the US?

  94. She added: “I cannot recall any historical precedent for denying immigration based on religion.”

    This is blatant ignorance.

    If religious group XYZ is aggrieved and warrants asylum, they may get special immigration options that are denied to other religious groups.

    The entire premise of asylum+refugee programs is granting privileged immigration status to a particular aggrieved demographic and denying those benefits to others not in the aggrieved demographic.

  95. @anony-mouse
    Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).

    A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide.

    Er, bad comparison. The US never had a ban on Russian Orthodox Christians, just a preferential policy for Soviet Jews (and just Soviet Jews, not, say Canadian Jews over Canadian non-Jews).

    That’s still completely discriminatory. To give preferential immigration options to Jews that are denied to others is overtly discriminatory. Of course, that’s how asylum+refugee programs have always worked.

  96. Steve, you’re better than this. Visas for Soviet Jews is not precedent for a blanket ban on Muslim immigration.

  97. Serge Trifkovic provides solutions to domestic jihad.

    Defeating Domestic Jihad: A Program of Action

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/defeating-domestic-jihad-a-program-of-action/

  98. You can imagine to what extent the persecution of Jews in USSR was simply an artefact of people applying for asylum for economic reasons, and lying

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Nah, job discrimination against Jews in the Soviet Union got started around 1947 when Golda Meir came to visit and Stalin noticed how excited a lot of his Jewish underlings were about the formation of Israel.

    Before that the Soviet Union had been aggressively anti-anti-Semitic from 1917 to the late 1930s. Then the Jewish foreign minister Litvinov got fired in 1939 so Molotov could make a deal with von Ribbentrop to launch WWII. But that stands out. For the next decade, the Soviets were less aggressive about rooting out anti-Semitism as in the first couple of decades, but did not have anti-Semitic policies. During the war, the Soviet government, which had largely been a Coalition of the Fringes (e.g., Stalin and Beria from Georgia, the Armenian Mikoyan, the Jewish Kaganovitch, etc., and before them Lenin and Trotsky) became more pro-Russian, so it attempted to push regular Russians into better jobs, which had negative consequences for Jews and other talented minorities.

    Then policies to keep down the Jewish percentage in various jobs started to be erratically imposed after the formation of Israel, although they weren't universal. But discrimination against Jews in the later Soviet Union was a real thing.

    , @MarkinLA
    Or to what extent it was as a ploy for Republicans to try and get the Jewish vote by demanding that the USSR let Jews leave.
  99. these girls get it. Stumping for Trump

  100. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Jews from Russia were more likely to partake in radical politics in America. Not necessarily in commie stuff but in homo stuff, anti-white stuff, anti-Christian stuff, and etc.
     
    I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish 'refugees'. They were just the opposite of what you're claiming. They were mostly secular and didn't bother themselves with being 'anti' much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don't think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it.

    I know some Paki-Americans, and they are more red-white-and-blue than I am
     
    The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very "red-white-and blue".

    “I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish ‘refugees’. They were just the opposite of what you’re claiming. They were mostly secular and didn’t bother themselves with being ‘anti’ much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don’t think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it.”

    How recent?

    A lot of Soviet refuseniks who came to US in the 80s turned Democratic.
    For a while, they(at least parents) were Republican for anti-communist reasons, but even this anti-communism was more anti-Russian-ism.

    Once communism ended, many of these Russian Jews turned Democratic.
    We see the same pattern with Asians.

    Also, the American Jewish establishment favors Jewish emigres with similar political leanings. So, if there is a Russian-Jewish immigrant who is anti-homo and someone like Masha Gessen, the latter gets the cake.

    “The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very ‘red-white-and blue’.”

    Your average Pakhead is very much like an average dotter.

    I don’t know about UK but in the US, there isn’t much difference.

    Besides, the couple got radicalized in Saudi Arabia and Gulf States, the favorite Muslim nations of the US.

    • Replies: @AP
    Every post-Soviet Jewish immigrant from Russia whom I know, is a Republican. In Israel the far right has ex-Russians as its support. For the most part, Leftist Jews are the ones whose ancestors left Russia 100 years ago or earlier.
    , @Maj. Kong
    There were many Jewish emigres from Russia in Anthony Weiner's old Congressional district, they voted in a Republican when Mr. Abedin resigned, and the Legislature responded by splitting the district, since under the Voting Rights Act, majority white districts aren't protected.

    It didn't help the Rs that the leading champion for refuseniks in Congress was a highly leftist Jewish Democrat, Frank Launtenberg.
  101. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    > Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.

    In theory, maybe. But only in the eyes of elite globalistas who occupy and observe the planet from their lofty stratum, and those hoping to be allowed to remain on their plantation.

  102. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Thus our immigration Judges have extensive experience judging the religious beliefs of immigrants to determine if they qualify for visas and green cards."

    They do have experience judging religious beliefs....for Christians and perhaps Jews.

    Can you imagine the scenario of: Potentially deporting or refusing assylum to one of these sainted Islamic Syrians? First they'd have to find an immigration judge who is well versed in the Koran, the Hadith, etc.

    Can you imagine how the religious test would go in full court, recorded for all posterity to read?

    "Ok, Mohammed. Answer this question on Islam. Did the Holy Prophet say which of the following: the quotes deal with the subjects of Polygamy, Jihad, and the Jizyah. Which quotes are deemed by most reputable Islamic scholars to be false and which quotes are deemed to be authentic? For part two, explain how relevant these quotes are in Moslem daily life today?"

    The question alone is enough to get the NYT; DCPost; and all right honorable keepers of the Narrative up and about to go "Aha! A judge engaged in hate crimes! Since when does s/he claim to be an authority on a faith like Islam? Why is this judge even allowed to keep his/her job?" At this point the ACLU; CAIR; and the SPLC would all be breathing down her neck and calling for her...job.

    Likewise, the answers provided to the question would also make front page news all over the US. If the answer is deemed not moderate enough, does Mohammed get in? If the answer is deemed cute, fuzzy, and koombayah, does he get in? If the answer is somewhere in between, then what?

    Nope, either way this is a no-win situation.

    Trump's idea is the most sensible one, as well as fairly practical: For the time being, no one gets in.

    You are wrong.
    The question, for all immigrants should be:
    In what way will the US be better if you live here, what will you add?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh, no, you don't understand what that will lead to.

    That kind of question is too subjective. That kind of question will only allow an opening for the ACLU; SPLC; and other keepers of the Narrative to jump in and say "Who the H...are any of us to decide and determine what ANY ONE SINGLE PERSON can contribute to the US? After all, as it is written on the statue, give us the worlds huddled tired masses that yearn to be free. It doesn't say nil about any strings attached. Who the H are any of us to judge and jury these poor lil' ol' starving refugees, and tired out worn out immigrants who just wanna live and breathe freedom in the good ol' US of A."

    And that's where it will lead to with a question such as that.

    Nope, in this topsy tervy half backed upcoming presidential year, so far Trump's idea makes the most sense.

    Also, if this were a smarter wised up nation, like say Japan, questions in general aren't even asked. Period. No immigrants; no refugees. Period. No questions have to be asked in places where you have a firm control over your own nation and its own ethnicity.
  103. @Jefferson
    "Arabs and Hispanics are cousins"

    Phenotype overlap between Hispanics and Arabs is common. The half Guatemalan and half Cuban actor Oscar Isaac has played an Arab before. And so has the Spaniard Antonio Banderas, the Puerto Rican Raul Julia, and the Mexican Anthony Quinn just to name a few more.

    Then you have Spaniards like Man United goalie David De Gea:

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Then you have Spaniards like Man United goalie David De Gea:"

    And than you have Spaniards like Javier Bardem.
    http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130106125710/jamesbond/images/2/21/Javier_Bardem_-_Profile.jpg
  104. @Dave Pinsen
    Then you have Spaniards like Man United goalie David De Gea:
    https://twitter.com/D_DeGea/status/663074605637246978

    “Then you have Spaniards like Man United goalie David De Gea:”

    And than you have Spaniards like Javier Bardem.

  105. It really is not that easy to get a visa to get into the United States. I will soon be going into the third (and I am pretty sure last) year of waiting for my wife and step daughter to get a US visa, even though my wife is already the wife of a US citizen and the mother of another US citizen, these things count for very little in the greater scheme of things.

    All candidates for visas, even wives and mothers of US citizens have to undergo an interview process by a consular official before they even get a visa, so the brief interview at customs and immigration when entering the country is somewhat moot. They are really only interested in you if you are carrying more than $10,000 in cash and a Kalashnikov.

    But when a young woman with a 6-month old baby, of an age to still be breast feeding, decides to commit mass murder or suicide by cop, there is no screening program on earth that would detect her intentions.

    There is no accounting for what younger people may do or think either. I was recently speaking to a decent young white American man of about 30 who is a veteran of the Iraq Wars. He said to me “Sometimes I hate the Federal Government”. I said to him, “You are starting to sound like Timothy McVeigh”, but he had no idea who Timothy McVeigh was, and when I explained, he said he might have heard of him, but did not remember. (To an oldster like me the Oklahoma bombing seems like yesterday.)

    When I worked once in a prison, it was a common observation that once testosterone levels fell off in the late thirties, criminals were much less likely to reoffend, and by the time they got into their fifties they were nearly always harmless.

    Thus is history likely to repeat itself unless we ban gun ownership to anyone under 50!

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I worked with a guy who is already on his second mail order bride. The first from Russia and the second from the Philippines and just had a baby. He isn't even 30 yet. Maybe you are not doing it right.
  106. @anonymous
    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    The meta message: Americans and indigenous Europeansnot permitted under any circumstance to regain control of their borders.

    Public shaming, DOJ threats, name calling, self-censorship -- all tools must be utilized. The larger project is too important; displacement must continue apace.

    I see the media is celebrating Joe Scarborough cutting to a commercial to cut off Trump.

    That is why they call it commercial television. Advertising trumps all.

  107. In the extremely PC climate era we live in today which consists of micro aggression, White privilege, and safe spaces, I wonder if Vince McMahon would still have the balls to put another evil Arab Muslim character on WWE television.

    I remember back in the days he would have MENA characters like The Sultan, Muhammad Hassan, The Iron Sheik, Col. Mustafa, Gen. Adnan, and Sheik Abdul Bashir. He would give them dark sinister Middle Eastern music that would be fit for the villain Jafar from Aladdin.

  108. @Jefferson
    "Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, called the ban “offensive and outlandish.”

    As a Republican Cuban Catholic, what does Marco Rubio get out of increased Islamic immigration into the U.S.? Unless he is worried about a slippery slope. Today Donald Trump is coming for the Muslims and tomorrow he will come after Marco Rubio's people.

    I at least understand why Hillary Clinton wants massive Islamic immigration into the U.S even though she is the WASPiest woman on the planet. More Muslims = more votes for The Democratic Party which is her party.

    Positioning mostly. Muslims aren’t likely to be able to change the religious balance of the country–it’s too big and too Christian–so saying Trump is over the line is a cheap way for Rubio to make himself look more moderate.

  109. @Svigor
    I suppose I'm in the minority in thinking that an IQ of 108 (or even the fantasists' 112-115) isn't "highly intelligent," any more than an IQ of 92 as "highly stupid." "Sharp" and "dull," or even "smart" and "dumb," seem more appropriate.

    No, but you get huge differences in the numbers at the edges of the distribution. Enough to change history.

  110. @Hunsdon
    Disparate impact?

    Almost certainly.

  111. On a personal level, I recently connected with one of my closer genetic relatives from Odessa, Ukraine via 23andme. She’s dark haired (not unusual in that part of Ukraine) and did not exactly know her origins as she is adopted. She thought she might have been part Jewish and did marry a Jewish guy once settled in the San Fernando Valley in the early 90s. Her 23andme results show her to be mostly Balkan and some East European with less than 1 percent of her ancestry being Ashkenazi. According to her, the possibility of her being Jewish (before taking the test) definitely helped her to get to the US and stay in the US. She loves living in the US and seems to have a great life and works hard. I think many Gentile Russian and Ukrainians would make great immigrants to North America. (I’m not implying Jewish ones do not)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the big influx of Slavic-looking people into the San Fernando Valley from Eastern Europe in this century are say, cousins of cousins of people who qualified as Soviet Jews under the favorably admission laws in the 1970-1990s. A half Jewish person moves from Russia to Valley Village and writes a letter to his not Jewish cousin about how great the weather is in SoCal, who follows who sends the same type of letter to his completely not Jewish cousin. Since Jews in the later years of the Soviet Union tended to be discriminated against for being too successful, there was plenty of intermarriage, so immigration programs for Soviet Jews wind up drawing in eventually lots of totally non-Jewish blond flatheads who maybe get work as bodyguards for their cousin's cousin.
  112. @Steve Sailer
    By 1970, a lot of Soviet professions had quotas restricting the percentage of Jews to be hired.

    AA is functionally a quota on whites

  113. @Anonymous
    The mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida banned Trump from the city. Mayor Rick Kriseman, a Jewish guy from Detriot who went to law school in Florida, and stayed. http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/mayor-bans-trump-st-petersburg-following-his-comme/npd6m/

    I say whatever Muslim immigrants come to U.S., prior to Trump becoming President, we send to St. Petersburg and southern Florida. I'm sure it will work out well. It wasn't until I was 17-years old, and working at a business owned by Middle Eastern Muslims, that I knew there was such a thing as Holocaust jokes and talk of genocide against an ethnic group while being all buddy, buddy with customers of that same group. All I can say to the Jews is "Good luck," when the last vestiges of ann0ying Christian culture is snuffed out. Not being admitted to country clubs and Skull and Bones will be the good old days. Jews in Europe will find this out in about 20 years, when demographics changes reach saturation point.

    They’ve already figured it out–the Front National is actually picking up reasonable portions of the Jewish vote.

    Here it’ll never happen, because enough Muslims will never come to Islamify the country. Too far away, and the population’s too Christian.

    Which means Jews will stay liberal, but it’s better than inflicting sharia law on Americans. Ugh.

  114. Yes, as a matter of pure logic, the set A and the complement of set A’s compliment are the same thing!

    But: Trump could have made his idea less inflammatory if he’d just stated it differently. He could have said, let’s limit immigration to small, clearly distinct minorities that are clear targets of persecution. Like, say, Yazidis or Chaldeans.

    Or gay (and willing to prove it) Muslims.

  115. “Here it’ll never happen, because enough Muslims will never come to Islamify the country. Too far away, and the population’s too Christian.”

    The U.K is also quite far from the Sand race world, yet The U.K will one day become majority Muslim. Christianity is on life support in The U.K. Churches there are empty while Mosques are flourishing.

  116. @Anonymous
    They're still running that Save Soviet Jews scam. On TV they have these infomercials that appeal to American Christians to donate to help poor ex-Soviet/Russian Jewish seniors.

    Back in the 1990s there was “Operation Exodus”

    http://www.ujafedny.org/what-we-do/strengthen-our-global-community/operation-exodus/

    http://www.jta.org/1994/06/06/archive/uja-closes-operation-exodus-campaign-expects-just-short-of-1-billion-goal

    https://www.juf.org/news/local.aspx?id=55446

    The first ex-Soviet Jews showed up around 1990 in the upscale liberal city where I was living and working at the time. Through civic involvement circles I had casual exposure to these “refugees” as well as the professional helpers who enabled their importation and occupation.

    (The access class there was quite small and very Jewish, with roots in NYC, LA, and Chicago mostly. Like Bernie Sanders, they moved to white rural areas, suburbo-rural small towns, or university/capital cities as soon as they graduated from NYU, Columbia, U of Chicago, UCLA, Stanford, etc.)

    It and a few other experiences left me with the sense that Operation Exodus was a Holocaust (TM) Industry-referenced immigration scheme designed to a) bolster Jewish numbers in target liberal cities (NY, Chicago, LA), as Jewish birth and marriage rates were declining and outmarriage increasing, and to b) force “WASPs” to pay for everything after the initial social services investment by the Jewish “social” agencies, which guilted donations out of their younger set.

    Sure enough, the LA Times ran this piece about a year later:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-01/local/me-2253_1_operation-exodus

    Actually I’m kinda surprised that one is still up. I have a clipping of it around here somewhere.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    I took the precaution to save that article on the Internet Archive and Archive.is
    https://web.archive.org/web/20151209010200/http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-01/local/me-2253_1_operation-exodus
    https://archive.is/HLB8U
  117. “Or gay (and willing to prove it) Muslims.”

    How can a Muslim prove he is Gay? Speak Arabic with a strong feminine lisp?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Perhaps some Hollywood exec could attest to it on their behalf.
  118. @Perspective
    On a personal level, I recently connected with one of my closer genetic relatives from Odessa, Ukraine via 23andme. She's dark haired (not unusual in that part of Ukraine) and did not exactly know her origins as she is adopted. She thought she might have been part Jewish and did marry a Jewish guy once settled in the San Fernando Valley in the early 90s. Her 23andme results show her to be mostly Balkan and some East European with less than 1 percent of her ancestry being Ashkenazi. According to her, the possibility of her being Jewish (before taking the test) definitely helped her to get to the US and stay in the US. She loves living in the US and seems to have a great life and works hard. I think many Gentile Russian and Ukrainians would make great immigrants to North America. (I'm not implying Jewish ones do not)

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the big influx of Slavic-looking people into the San Fernando Valley from Eastern Europe in this century are say, cousins of cousins of people who qualified as Soviet Jews under the favorably admission laws in the 1970-1990s. A half Jewish person moves from Russia to Valley Village and writes a letter to his not Jewish cousin about how great the weather is in SoCal, who follows who sends the same type of letter to his completely not Jewish cousin. Since Jews in the later years of the Soviet Union tended to be discriminated against for being too successful, there was plenty of intermarriage, so immigration programs for Soviet Jews wind up drawing in eventually lots of totally non-Jewish blond flatheads who maybe get work as bodyguards for their cousin’s cousin.

    • Replies: @Emilia
    Hm, about the weather. There was an article about a Russian Jewish family who left Russia to go to Israel. Eventually they ended up moving to Manitoba in Canada. They said they preferred Manitoba to Israel because the climate in Manitoba was far more like what they were used to in Russia; Israel was too hot for them.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Dear Cousin:

    Los Angeles is the American Vladivostok - you will like!

    http://youtu.be/dKNcOmNpjNI
  119. It wasn’t discrimination it was sovereignty, and transnational Jewish privelege on display.

    Immigration to America isn’t a right.

    BTW nobody mentions why so many Jews were expelled, the Communists realized the Jews had their own agenda, and it wasn’t the “we” of Communism they sold the Communist public but a small gang of wealthy Jews with their own agenda, themselves.

    Communism was a management coup with no stockholders.

    Communism and Socialism were proven scams, tools for mob looting and “state asset laundering”, a very sophisticated transnational enterprise, like a pyramid scheme with bankers and judges, funny how America bought it hook line and sinker after watching the USSR Crack up.

    ADD

  120. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    no such thing as a Christian in scandanavia!

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "no such thing as a Christian in scandanavia!"

    That would explain why Scandinavians are extremely tolerant of mass Islamic immigration. They don't see mass Muslim immigration as a threat to Western Christian values because Christian values do not even exist in Scandinavia. Churches in Scandinavia attract less people than than the number of folks who went to see John Travolta's Battlefield Earth in theaters. Scandinavia is the Atheist capital of the world.
  121. A bit off-topic, I spotted this blog post from VoxDay/VoxPopoli who mentionned a precedent from a info they found on a article posted by Eric Posner.
    http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2015/12/muslim-immigration-ban-is-constitutional.html
    http://www.ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Apparently there's a law on the books banning immigration by those who believe in polygamy. It was passed to keep out old-fashioned Mormons, not Muslims, so nobody protests against it.
  122. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I remember reading a spy novel in the 1980s, I’ve forgotten the author’s name, about a CIA officer battling with a high KGB officer over defectors, one of whom was a Jew.

    The KGB officer, to paraphrase, said it was important to keep Jews in Mother Russia because, playing the odds, your side might end up with an Einstein. I recognized it as HBD without having heard of the concept.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My wife's uncle, the Air Force colonel, used to slip into East Berlin in mufti as a tourist, and meet up in parked cars on dark streets with vacationing Soviet Jewish defense scientists cooling their heels for five years before leaving for Israel or America.
  123. @Olorin
    Back in the 1990s there was "Operation Exodus"

    http://www.ujafedny.org/what-we-do/strengthen-our-global-community/operation-exodus/

    http://www.jta.org/1994/06/06/archive/uja-closes-operation-exodus-campaign-expects-just-short-of-1-billion-goal

    https://www.juf.org/news/local.aspx?id=55446

    The first ex-Soviet Jews showed up around 1990 in the upscale liberal city where I was living and working at the time. Through civic involvement circles I had casual exposure to these "refugees" as well as the professional helpers who enabled their importation and occupation.

    (The access class there was quite small and very Jewish, with roots in NYC, LA, and Chicago mostly. Like Bernie Sanders, they moved to white rural areas, suburbo-rural small towns, or university/capital cities as soon as they graduated from NYU, Columbia, U of Chicago, UCLA, Stanford, etc.)

    It and a few other experiences left me with the sense that Operation Exodus was a Holocaust (TM) Industry-referenced immigration scheme designed to a) bolster Jewish numbers in target liberal cities (NY, Chicago, LA), as Jewish birth and marriage rates were declining and outmarriage increasing, and to b) force "WASPs" to pay for everything after the initial social services investment by the Jewish "social" agencies, which guilted donations out of their younger set.

    Sure enough, the LA Times ran this piece about a year later:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-01/local/me-2253_1_operation-exodus

    Actually I'm kinda surprised that one is still up. I have a clipping of it around here somewhere.
  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    Scarborough cuts off Trump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOEDD_0pJVE

    Scarborough is a self-serving, pretend conservative. Using the now famous ‘cuck’ prefix for Scarborogh defames genuine cuckservatives. I would call him a whore, but again, I’d be impugning the relatively high moral standards of whores when compared to Scarborough.

    But you have to admire Scarborough’s flawless sense of which side butters his bread.

  125. @Hrw-500
    A bit off-topic, I spotted this blog post from VoxDay/VoxPopoli who mentionned a precedent from a info they found on a article posted by Eric Posner.
    http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2015/12/muslim-immigration-ban-is-constitutional.html
    http://www.ericposner.com/is-an-immigration-ban-on-muslims-unconstitutional/

    Apparently there’s a law on the books banning immigration by those who believe in polygamy. It was passed to keep out old-fashioned Mormons, not Muslims, so nobody protests against it.

  126. @anonymous
    I remember reading a spy novel in the 1980s, I've forgotten the author's name, about a CIA officer battling with a high KGB officer over defectors, one of whom was a Jew.

    The KGB officer, to paraphrase, said it was important to keep Jews in Mother Russia because, playing the odds, your side might end up with an Einstein. I recognized it as HBD without having heard of the concept.

    My wife’s uncle, the Air Force colonel, used to slip into East Berlin in mufti as a tourist, and meet up in parked cars on dark streets with vacationing Soviet Jewish defense scientists cooling their heels for five years before leaving for Israel or America.

  127. @siberiancat
    You can imagine to what extent the persecution of Jews in USSR was simply an artefact of people applying for asylum for economic reasons, and lying

    Nah, job discrimination against Jews in the Soviet Union got started around 1947 when Golda Meir came to visit and Stalin noticed how excited a lot of his Jewish underlings were about the formation of Israel.

    Before that the Soviet Union had been aggressively anti-anti-Semitic from 1917 to the late 1930s. Then the Jewish foreign minister Litvinov got fired in 1939 so Molotov could make a deal with von Ribbentrop to launch WWII. But that stands out. For the next decade, the Soviets were less aggressive about rooting out anti-Semitism as in the first couple of decades, but did not have anti-Semitic policies. During the war, the Soviet government, which had largely been a Coalition of the Fringes (e.g., Stalin and Beria from Georgia, the Armenian Mikoyan, the Jewish Kaganovitch, etc., and before them Lenin and Trotsky) became more pro-Russian, so it attempted to push regular Russians into better jobs, which had negative consequences for Jews and other talented minorities.

    Then policies to keep down the Jewish percentage in various jobs started to be erratically imposed after the formation of Israel, although they weren’t universal. But discrimination against Jews in the later Soviet Union was a real thing.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I worked with a lot of ex-USSR Jews at my last job. While they occasionally said things that indicated Jews didn't get to slide like a lot of Russians, there was no talk of actual government instigated persecution of Jews.

    Like most refugees, they just wanted what was good for themselves. The persecution BS was just a means out like all the mail order brides claiming spousal abuse.
  128. @siberiancat
    You can imagine to what extent the persecution of Jews in USSR was simply an artefact of people applying for asylum for economic reasons, and lying

    Or to what extent it was as a ploy for Republicans to try and get the Jewish vote by demanding that the USSR let Jews leave.

  129. @North Carolina Resident
    What were the details of our preferential policy for Soviet Jews?

    Dear SomethingToSay,

    I agree with most of your post except the line:

    “… most I’ve met ended up in banking, which fits the stereotype of Jews …”.

    I do not doubt your experience. But it is totally different from mine.

    Most I have met where in Engineering or more generally in STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics). Both here and in Israel. But then I am a programmer by trade….

    Is/was your work related to banking?. This may explain your experience. I venture they worked as programmers for the bank or the stock exchange. Russian physicists could have been employed as “quants” But “Loan Officer” ? Nah.

    Their children born/grown in the USA are a different story. I knew a few with no brains for college, that became successful Mortgage Brokers before the 2008 crisis. It ‘ill make their parents turn in their graves…

  130. @Steve Sailer
    Nah, job discrimination against Jews in the Soviet Union got started around 1947 when Golda Meir came to visit and Stalin noticed how excited a lot of his Jewish underlings were about the formation of Israel.

    Before that the Soviet Union had been aggressively anti-anti-Semitic from 1917 to the late 1930s. Then the Jewish foreign minister Litvinov got fired in 1939 so Molotov could make a deal with von Ribbentrop to launch WWII. But that stands out. For the next decade, the Soviets were less aggressive about rooting out anti-Semitism as in the first couple of decades, but did not have anti-Semitic policies. During the war, the Soviet government, which had largely been a Coalition of the Fringes (e.g., Stalin and Beria from Georgia, the Armenian Mikoyan, the Jewish Kaganovitch, etc., and before them Lenin and Trotsky) became more pro-Russian, so it attempted to push regular Russians into better jobs, which had negative consequences for Jews and other talented minorities.

    Then policies to keep down the Jewish percentage in various jobs started to be erratically imposed after the formation of Israel, although they weren't universal. But discrimination against Jews in the later Soviet Union was a real thing.

    I worked with a lot of ex-USSR Jews at my last job. While they occasionally said things that indicated Jews didn’t get to slide like a lot of Russians, there was no talk of actual government instigated persecution of Jews.

    Like most refugees, they just wanted what was good for themselves. The persecution BS was just a means out like all the mail order brides claiming spousal abuse.

    • Replies: @inertial
    How old were the people you worked with? The discrimination against Jews ended during the early Perestroika, about 1985-86. The youngest person who may have experienced discrimination in the college admissions would've been 18 in 1986. He is 47 now. And the people who had their careers stalled and such? The youngest of them are now in their late 50s.
  131. @scoops
    no such thing as a Christian in scandanavia!

    “no such thing as a Christian in scandanavia!”

    That would explain why Scandinavians are extremely tolerant of mass Islamic immigration. They don’t see mass Muslim immigration as a threat to Western Christian values because Christian values do not even exist in Scandinavia. Churches in Scandinavia attract less people than than the number of folks who went to see John Travolta’s Battlefield Earth in theaters. Scandinavia is the Atheist capital of the world.

  132. @Jim Don Bob
    Trump got where he is by being a good negotiator, and good negotiators always ask for more than they want. If I will settle for $5, I will demand $10 and then let you negotiate me down. Heck, I might even get $7 or $8.

    The MSM is truly a bunch of morons to fall for something so transparent. Haven't they ever haggled over the price of a car? Oh, wait. I forgot. They lease their Beemers.

    “Trump got where he is by being a good negotiator, and good negotiators always ask for more than they want. If I will settle for $5, I will demand $10 and then let you negotiate me down. Heck, I might even get $7 or $8.”

    I suddenly had this vision of Yeb! at the marketplace – the gringo who pays full price.

  133. @Jonathan Mason
    It really is not that easy to get a visa to get into the United States. I will soon be going into the third (and I am pretty sure last) year of waiting for my wife and step daughter to get a US visa, even though my wife is already the wife of a US citizen and the mother of another US citizen, these things count for very little in the greater scheme of things.

    All candidates for visas, even wives and mothers of US citizens have to undergo an interview process by a consular official before they even get a visa, so the brief interview at customs and immigration when entering the country is somewhat moot. They are really only interested in you if you are carrying more than $10,000 in cash and a Kalashnikov.

    But when a young woman with a 6-month old baby, of an age to still be breast feeding, decides to commit mass murder or suicide by cop, there is no screening program on earth that would detect her intentions.

    There is no accounting for what younger people may do or think either. I was recently speaking to a decent young white American man of about 30 who is a veteran of the Iraq Wars. He said to me "Sometimes I hate the Federal Government". I said to him, "You are starting to sound like Timothy McVeigh", but he had no idea who Timothy McVeigh was, and when I explained, he said he might have heard of him, but did not remember. (To an oldster like me the Oklahoma bombing seems like yesterday.)

    When I worked once in a prison, it was a common observation that once testosterone levels fell off in the late thirties, criminals were much less likely to reoffend, and by the time they got into their fifties they were nearly always harmless.

    Thus is history likely to repeat itself unless we ban gun ownership to anyone under 50!

    I worked with a guy who is already on his second mail order bride. The first from Russia and the second from the Philippines and just had a baby. He isn’t even 30 yet. Maybe you are not doing it right.

  134. @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the big influx of Slavic-looking people into the San Fernando Valley from Eastern Europe in this century are say, cousins of cousins of people who qualified as Soviet Jews under the favorably admission laws in the 1970-1990s. A half Jewish person moves from Russia to Valley Village and writes a letter to his not Jewish cousin about how great the weather is in SoCal, who follows who sends the same type of letter to his completely not Jewish cousin. Since Jews in the later years of the Soviet Union tended to be discriminated against for being too successful, there was plenty of intermarriage, so immigration programs for Soviet Jews wind up drawing in eventually lots of totally non-Jewish blond flatheads who maybe get work as bodyguards for their cousin's cousin.

    Hm, about the weather. There was an article about a Russian Jewish family who left Russia to go to Israel. Eventually they ended up moving to Manitoba in Canada. They said they preferred Manitoba to Israel because the climate in Manitoba was far more like what they were used to in Russia; Israel was too hot for them.

  135. @Jaakko Raipala
    Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees. More likely, some powerful lobbyists calculated that if the communist regime falls it might fall with a giant pogrom but that prediction of course could not be discussed in public as the same lobbyists wouldn't want Americans wondering why so many locals under communist regimes might put a lot of blame for it on Jews.

    Hence the fiction of persecution to keep the door open in case real persecutions start and when the USSR just went down without much violence that motivation disappeared.

    >>> Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees

    People were being given long prison terms for studying the Hebrew language.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    What happened to deeply religious Orthodox Christians? What did someone get if they said the Communist Party should disappear. What do Uyghurs get if they demand that China leave Tibet?

    The idea that we should take in everybody anywhere in the world where the US Constitution isn't being followed is ridiculous and would lead to 2 billion "refugees" in a second.
  136. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jefferson
    "Or gay (and willing to prove it) Muslims."

    How can a Muslim prove he is Gay? Speak Arabic with a strong feminine lisp?

    Perhaps some Hollywood exec could attest to it on their behalf.

  137. @Karl
    >>> Persecution of Jews in the 1970s-1980s Soviet Union sounds just as made up as the persecutions of most so called refugees

    People were being given long prison terms for studying the Hebrew language.

    What happened to deeply religious Orthodox Christians? What did someone get if they said the Communist Party should disappear. What do Uyghurs get if they demand that China leave Tibet?

    The idea that we should take in everybody anywhere in the world where the US Constitution isn’t being followed is ridiculous and would lead to 2 billion “refugees” in a second.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Uyghurs(Muslim)-Xinjiang, called East Turkestan by Uyghur Islamists
    Tibetans (Buddhist)-Tibet
  138. @Steve Sailer
    By 1970, a lot of Soviet professions had quotas restricting the percentage of Jews to be hired.

    The USSR also had free speech and a whole lot of other things that really didn’t exist. In a system as corrupt as the USSR I bet a lot of the official policies were never followed. If somebody wanted you in, you probably got in.

  139. @MarkinLA
    I worked with a lot of ex-USSR Jews at my last job. While they occasionally said things that indicated Jews didn't get to slide like a lot of Russians, there was no talk of actual government instigated persecution of Jews.

    Like most refugees, they just wanted what was good for themselves. The persecution BS was just a means out like all the mail order brides claiming spousal abuse.

    How old were the people you worked with? The discrimination against Jews ended during the early Perestroika, about 1985-86. The youngest person who may have experienced discrimination in the college admissions would’ve been 18 in 1986. He is 47 now. And the people who had their careers stalled and such? The youngest of them are now in their late 50s.

    • Replies: @AP
    This assumes that as soon as legal discrimination ends all discrimination ends.
    , @MarkinLA
    They were all my age and I am 59. I left the company when I was 53. The only "persecution" these people endured was that in the USSR professionals didn't have a life that much better than working stiffs and they didn't like it. They saw on international conferences and other situations how engineers, scientists, and physicians were treated in the west. Jews in the US created a PR campaign to sell to Americans. Some in the US government were just dupes and some thought this USSR brain drain would hurt them.

    If these people were so persecuted and cut out of a chance to do things (why would the USSR defense industries not want all the talent they could get) then why was every Russian emigre that I met an engineer or scientist who was trained and working in the USSR? Clearly there should have been a lot of engineers who were denied a chance at an education, had to drive a truck, and came here and got their degrees and first jobs as a engineer.
  140. This recalls that popular graffito from the 1970s: “Free Soviet Jews. Win valuable prizes.”

  141. @Anon
    "I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish ‘refugees’. They were just the opposite of what you’re claiming. They were mostly secular and didn’t bother themselves with being ‘anti’ much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don’t think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it."

    How recent?

    A lot of Soviet refuseniks who came to US in the 80s turned Democratic.
    For a while, they(at least parents) were Republican for anti-communist reasons, but even this anti-communism was more anti-Russian-ism.

    Once communism ended, many of these Russian Jews turned Democratic.
    We see the same pattern with Asians.

    Also, the American Jewish establishment favors Jewish emigres with similar political leanings. So, if there is a Russian-Jewish immigrant who is anti-homo and someone like Masha Gessen, the latter gets the cake.

    "The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very 'red-white-and blue'."

    Your average Pakhead is very much like an average dotter.

    I don't know about UK but in the US, there isn't much difference.

    Besides, the couple got radicalized in Saudi Arabia and Gulf States, the favorite Muslim nations of the US.

    Every post-Soviet Jewish immigrant from Russia whom I know, is a Republican. In Israel the far right has ex-Russians as its support. For the most part, Leftist Jews are the ones whose ancestors left Russia 100 years ago or earlier.

    • Agree: sprfls
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    They also tend to be very pro-immigration, just what the Republican Party needs?
  142. @Ivy
    The Gulf States employment situation is so tenuous that Dubai is importing Americans and others for their Porta-Potties.

    Unfortunately, the issue of Saudi and Emirati Sheikhs defecating on western Instagram hoes for $40,000 a pop isn’t likely to become a topic in the upcoming debates anytime soon.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/57833/do-women-become-irreparably-damaged-after-allowing-arab-princes-to-defecate-on-them

  143. @Anon
    "I dealt with a lot of these recent former USSR Jewish ‘refugees’. They were just the opposite of what you’re claiming. They were mostly secular and didn’t bother themselves with being ‘anti’ much of anything, Christian, white or whatever. I don’t think most of them would have been able to even recognize a homosexual let alone endorse it."

    How recent?

    A lot of Soviet refuseniks who came to US in the 80s turned Democratic.
    For a while, they(at least parents) were Republican for anti-communist reasons, but even this anti-communism was more anti-Russian-ism.

    Once communism ended, many of these Russian Jews turned Democratic.
    We see the same pattern with Asians.

    Also, the American Jewish establishment favors Jewish emigres with similar political leanings. So, if there is a Russian-Jewish immigrant who is anti-homo and someone like Masha Gessen, the latter gets the cake.

    "The San Bernardino couple were Pakistani. Hardly very 'red-white-and blue'."

    Your average Pakhead is very much like an average dotter.

    I don't know about UK but in the US, there isn't much difference.

    Besides, the couple got radicalized in Saudi Arabia and Gulf States, the favorite Muslim nations of the US.

    There were many Jewish emigres from Russia in Anthony Weiner’s old Congressional district, they voted in a Republican when Mr. Abedin resigned, and the Legislature responded by splitting the district, since under the Voting Rights Act, majority white districts aren’t protected.

    It didn’t help the Rs that the leading champion for refuseniks in Congress was a highly leftist Jewish Democrat, Frank Launtenberg.

  144. @MarkinLA
    What happened to deeply religious Orthodox Christians? What did someone get if they said the Communist Party should disappear. What do Uyghurs get if they demand that China leave Tibet?

    The idea that we should take in everybody anywhere in the world where the US Constitution isn't being followed is ridiculous and would lead to 2 billion "refugees" in a second.

    Uyghurs(Muslim)-Xinjiang, called East Turkestan by Uyghur Islamists
    Tibetans (Buddhist)-Tibet

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Yeah, I know it was a brain fart when I wrote it. It doesn't change the point. The Chinese are flooding those areas and diluting the native population to the point that the locals feel they will lose any control over it. People who protest are locked up.
  145. @Anonymous
    "A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide."

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.

    Denying entry based on political beliefs would be a very interesting precedent. It would make it possible to deny entry to someone who held dangerous extremist beliefs – for example climate change sceptics, anyone opposed to homosexual marriage, anyone who doesn’t believe Caitlyn Jenner is a real woman, anyone opposed to gun control. It’s an idea that would be massively popular with the Left.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    The alien enemies act is still in force. Since words can mean anything yoiu want them to when used by the government - just define enemy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
  146. Denying entry based on political beliefs would be a very interesting precedent.

    Precedent? The McCarran-Walter Act passed in 1952.

  147. @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the big influx of Slavic-looking people into the San Fernando Valley from Eastern Europe in this century are say, cousins of cousins of people who qualified as Soviet Jews under the favorably admission laws in the 1970-1990s. A half Jewish person moves from Russia to Valley Village and writes a letter to his not Jewish cousin about how great the weather is in SoCal, who follows who sends the same type of letter to his completely not Jewish cousin. Since Jews in the later years of the Soviet Union tended to be discriminated against for being too successful, there was plenty of intermarriage, so immigration programs for Soviet Jews wind up drawing in eventually lots of totally non-Jewish blond flatheads who maybe get work as bodyguards for their cousin's cousin.

    Dear Cousin:

    Los Angeles is the American Vladivostok – you will like!

    http://youtu.be/dKNcOmNpjNI

  148. @AP

    One of the immigrants told me a story about the special privileges that Jews had in the Soviet Union on the eve of the exodus, such as the right to own upscale apartments in Moscow
     
    This is not true; your source wasn't accurate. There was no such thing as private property in Soviet times (only personal property such as jewelry, clothes, books, cars, etc.); nobody owned apartments. They were merely allowed to live in them, and the government could remove the residents at any time.* When the Soviet Union collapsed people were given the title to the place they happened to live in at the time of the collapse.

    Jews are generally highly intelligent people; this combined with their clannishness can make them very successful everywhere. The Soviet system actually limited them to some extent, in the same way as, for example, Asians are limited within the Ivy League system. That is, they may have been somewhat overrepresented in comparison to their numbers in the general population but underrepresented relative to their natural abilities. Soviet Jews felt that they were held back by the Soviet system and they were right about this.

    *When my father-in-law was hired by the Central Committee in the 1980s he was given the apartment of a former Soviet minister. During a contentious meeting the minister had been demoted and just like that sent with his family to one of the non-Russian republics, losing the apartment he and his family had lived in.

    That is expressly my point … an exception was made. The woman said that they, as special privileges afforded Jews, were allowed to buy an apartment in Moscow. (Why would she lie to me?) I understood this in the context of Perestroika as the communist system started to become unglued in the Soviet Union. In that era, lots of “privileges” were afforded to connected people, which was how, as the “dam broke”, the Soviet economy was quickly expropriated as private property by the Oligarchs. Law and consistency are not the hallmarks of a corrupt political system in transition.

    • Replies: @AP
    Again, because there was no such thing as private property there was nothing for her to possibly buy. She may have bribed someone for the right to live in that apartment but she could not have possibly owned it. Everything was state property. It's hard to believe that an exception could be made that the entire law banning private property was overturned in her case. I think that probably she just said she owned it because she didn't want to explain to an American the difference between being registered in a place and owning it.

    I can say that the Soviet elite of the 80s, including the those involved in perestroika, were mildly antisemitic -kind of how a generation or two ago WASPs who wouldn't let Jews into their country clubs were antisemitic. So it is highly doubtful that during Soviet times she would have gotten a special privilege because she was Jewish. In post-Soviet times, perhaps. This is when Jews, Armenians and other groups pushed ahead and were able to help their own people.
  149. @TheJester
    That is expressly my point ... an exception was made. The woman said that they, as special privileges afforded Jews, were allowed to buy an apartment in Moscow. (Why would she lie to me?) I understood this in the context of Perestroika as the communist system started to become unglued in the Soviet Union. In that era, lots of "privileges" were afforded to connected people, which was how, as the "dam broke", the Soviet economy was quickly expropriated as private property by the Oligarchs. Law and consistency are not the hallmarks of a corrupt political system in transition.

    Again, because there was no such thing as private property there was nothing for her to possibly buy. She may have bribed someone for the right to live in that apartment but she could not have possibly owned it. Everything was state property. It’s hard to believe that an exception could be made that the entire law banning private property was overturned in her case. I think that probably she just said she owned it because she didn’t want to explain to an American the difference between being registered in a place and owning it.

    I can say that the Soviet elite of the 80s, including the those involved in perestroika, were mildly antisemitic -kind of how a generation or two ago WASPs who wouldn’t let Jews into their country clubs were antisemitic. So it is highly doubtful that during Soviet times she would have gotten a special privilege because she was Jewish. In post-Soviet times, perhaps. This is when Jews, Armenians and other groups pushed ahead and were able to help their own people.

  150. @inertial
    How old were the people you worked with? The discrimination against Jews ended during the early Perestroika, about 1985-86. The youngest person who may have experienced discrimination in the college admissions would've been 18 in 1986. He is 47 now. And the people who had their careers stalled and such? The youngest of them are now in their late 50s.

    This assumes that as soon as legal discrimination ends all discrimination ends.

  151. @inertial
    How old were the people you worked with? The discrimination against Jews ended during the early Perestroika, about 1985-86. The youngest person who may have experienced discrimination in the college admissions would've been 18 in 1986. He is 47 now. And the people who had their careers stalled and such? The youngest of them are now in their late 50s.

    They were all my age and I am 59. I left the company when I was 53. The only “persecution” these people endured was that in the USSR professionals didn’t have a life that much better than working stiffs and they didn’t like it. They saw on international conferences and other situations how engineers, scientists, and physicians were treated in the west. Jews in the US created a PR campaign to sell to Americans. Some in the US government were just dupes and some thought this USSR brain drain would hurt them.

    If these people were so persecuted and cut out of a chance to do things (why would the USSR defense industries not want all the talent they could get) then why was every Russian emigre that I met an engineer or scientist who was trained and working in the USSR? Clearly there should have been a lot of engineers who were denied a chance at an education, had to drive a truck, and came here and got their degrees and first jobs as a engineer.

    • Replies: @inertial
    Ah, so they went to international conferences? This explains a lot. You see, it was hard enough for a regular Soviet citizen to go abroad on business (let alone tourism,) it was well nigh impossible for a regular Jewish Soviet citizen. The local communist bosses and/or security apparatchiks would never approve that in a million year. If, say, a Soviet research institution received an invitation for a scientific conference in Chicago, and the only scientist in that institution with the appropriate topic of research happened to be Jewish, he will not be sent to Chicago. Instead they will send a guy who is politically acceptable, even though he may have no clue. There were exceptions to this though. One of the more charitable scenarios is when the Jewish guy is such a prominent scientist, so not letting him out would create a big stink in the West. So he'd be allowed to attend. But these cases were exceedingly rare. Your acquaintances were quite unusual.

    As for your second point, sure, the Jews weren't denied a chance to get higher education. They were simply turned away from the fist tier universities and steered towards certain second and third tier institutions. So what's the big deal? Well, first of all, the Soviet higher education was far more centralized than American. If you wanted to get anywhere or do any real science you had to get into one of a handful universities. Secondly, those Soviet second tier institutions were not like American second tier universities, i.e. not really all that different from Harvard. They were really specialized. For example, one of the prominent 1990s Russian Jewish oligarchs Boris Berezovsky graduated from something called Moscow Forestry Engineering Institute. Do you think that was because he loved the woods so much? Steve's favorite oligarch with the great name of German Khan graduated from Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys. Other Jewish oligarchs graduated from Chemistry and Technology Institute, Moscow Institute of Oil and Gas, and so on. These institutes didn't just give an inferior education compared to e.g. Moscow State University, the students there didn't even study the same things.

    And a third point. For the recent college graduates the Soviet Union had a system they called "distribution;" i.e. the graduates were "distributed" among the enterprises. Each former student was assigned a job that they could not refuse. The job could be located anywhere in the USSR. You had to go there and work for at least three years before you were free to leave and seek your own employment (in practice this was not easy and most people just stayed.) If you graduated from a place like the Institute of Oil and Gas, and you didn't have connections to get a job at some research facility, then well. You went to where oil and gas where. So imagine someone who had dreamed of becoming a mathematician or a physicist and had the ability to do so. Instead, five years later he finds himself living in barracks in the Siberian taiga, messing with oil equipment. You think it may have caused some resentment?
  152. @Maj. Kong
    Uyghurs(Muslim)-Xinjiang, called East Turkestan by Uyghur Islamists
    Tibetans (Buddhist)-Tibet

    Yeah, I know it was a brain fart when I wrote it. It doesn’t change the point. The Chinese are flooding those areas and diluting the native population to the point that the locals feel they will lose any control over it. People who protest are locked up.

  153. @AP
    Every post-Soviet Jewish immigrant from Russia whom I know, is a Republican. In Israel the far right has ex-Russians as its support. For the most part, Leftist Jews are the ones whose ancestors left Russia 100 years ago or earlier.

    They also tend to be very pro-immigration, just what the Republican Party needs?

  154. @dfordoom

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.
     
    Denying entry based on political beliefs would be a very interesting precedent. It would make it possible to deny entry to someone who held dangerous extremist beliefs - for example climate change sceptics, anyone opposed to homosexual marriage, anyone who doesn't believe Caitlyn Jenner is a real woman, anyone opposed to gun control. It's an idea that would be massively popular with the Left.

    The alien enemies act is still in force. Since words can mean anything yoiu want them to when used by the government – just define enemy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

  155. @Richard S
    And of course Auda abu Tayi, a river to his people!

    And of course Auda abu Tayi, a river to his people!

    Love that line ” … yet i am poor, because *i* am a *river* to my people”.

    If only we had leaders like Auda. Of course, Auda wasn’t poor at all he was enjoying the leaders share of the loot. But he did cut his people in on the loot too. And i don’t mind our elite getting rich. But i do mind them crapping all over us and selling us out. And that’s what Auda didn’t do to his people.

  156. @MarkinLA
    They were all my age and I am 59. I left the company when I was 53. The only "persecution" these people endured was that in the USSR professionals didn't have a life that much better than working stiffs and they didn't like it. They saw on international conferences and other situations how engineers, scientists, and physicians were treated in the west. Jews in the US created a PR campaign to sell to Americans. Some in the US government were just dupes and some thought this USSR brain drain would hurt them.

    If these people were so persecuted and cut out of a chance to do things (why would the USSR defense industries not want all the talent they could get) then why was every Russian emigre that I met an engineer or scientist who was trained and working in the USSR? Clearly there should have been a lot of engineers who were denied a chance at an education, had to drive a truck, and came here and got their degrees and first jobs as a engineer.

    Ah, so they went to international conferences? This explains a lot. You see, it was hard enough for a regular Soviet citizen to go abroad on business (let alone tourism,) it was well nigh impossible for a regular Jewish Soviet citizen. The local communist bosses and/or security apparatchiks would never approve that in a million year. If, say, a Soviet research institution received an invitation for a scientific conference in Chicago, and the only scientist in that institution with the appropriate topic of research happened to be Jewish, he will not be sent to Chicago. Instead they will send a guy who is politically acceptable, even though he may have no clue. There were exceptions to this though. One of the more charitable scenarios is when the Jewish guy is such a prominent scientist, so not letting him out would create a big stink in the West. So he’d be allowed to attend. But these cases were exceedingly rare. Your acquaintances were quite unusual.

    As for your second point, sure, the Jews weren’t denied a chance to get higher education. They were simply turned away from the fist tier universities and steered towards certain second and third tier institutions. So what’s the big deal? Well, first of all, the Soviet higher education was far more centralized than American. If you wanted to get anywhere or do any real science you had to get into one of a handful universities. Secondly, those Soviet second tier institutions were not like American second tier universities, i.e. not really all that different from Harvard. They were really specialized. For example, one of the prominent 1990s Russian Jewish oligarchs Boris Berezovsky graduated from something called Moscow Forestry Engineering Institute. Do you think that was because he loved the woods so much? Steve’s favorite oligarch with the great name of German Khan graduated from Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys. Other Jewish oligarchs graduated from Chemistry and Technology Institute, Moscow Institute of Oil and Gas, and so on. These institutes didn’t just give an inferior education compared to e.g. Moscow State University, the students there didn’t even study the same things.

    And a third point. For the recent college graduates the Soviet Union had a system they called “distribution;” i.e. the graduates were “distributed” among the enterprises. Each former student was assigned a job that they could not refuse. The job could be located anywhere in the USSR. You had to go there and work for at least three years before you were free to leave and seek your own employment (in practice this was not easy and most people just stayed.) If you graduated from a place like the Institute of Oil and Gas, and you didn’t have connections to get a job at some research facility, then well. You went to where oil and gas where. So imagine someone who had dreamed of becoming a mathematician or a physicist and had the ability to do so. Instead, five years later he finds himself living in barracks in the Siberian taiga, messing with oil equipment. You think it may have caused some resentment?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    There is a difference between "persecution" and not getting what you want. The whole point was that Americans were being sold this lie that Jews were living these horrible persecuted lives that nobody else in the USSR had to live (why it was practically NAZI Germany for Jews) when they were actually just living the same lives as everybody else. These Jews were economic refugees and not what we normally think as refugees.

    The international conference stuff was just my speculation. They certainly knew that life for professionals was much better in the west than in the USSR. The ones I knew were probably never as Jewish as they were on the day they applied to leave the country and visited the US office.
    , @AP
    Thanks for this comment. This is exactly how it was, according to ex-Soviet Jews whom I know.
  157. @Bill Jones
    You are wrong.
    The question, for all immigrants should be:
    In what way will the US be better if you live here, what will you add?

    Uh, no, you don’t understand what that will lead to.

    That kind of question is too subjective. That kind of question will only allow an opening for the ACLU; SPLC; and other keepers of the Narrative to jump in and say “Who the H…are any of us to decide and determine what ANY ONE SINGLE PERSON can contribute to the US? After all, as it is written on the statue, give us the worlds huddled tired masses that yearn to be free. It doesn’t say nil about any strings attached. Who the H are any of us to judge and jury these poor lil’ ol’ starving refugees, and tired out worn out immigrants who just wanna live and breathe freedom in the good ol’ US of A.”

    And that’s where it will lead to with a question such as that.

    Nope, in this topsy tervy half backed upcoming presidential year, so far Trump’s idea makes the most sense.

    Also, if this were a smarter wised up nation, like say Japan, questions in general aren’t even asked. Period. No immigrants; no refugees. Period. No questions have to be asked in places where you have a firm control over your own nation and its own ethnicity.

  158. @inertial
    Ah, so they went to international conferences? This explains a lot. You see, it was hard enough for a regular Soviet citizen to go abroad on business (let alone tourism,) it was well nigh impossible for a regular Jewish Soviet citizen. The local communist bosses and/or security apparatchiks would never approve that in a million year. If, say, a Soviet research institution received an invitation for a scientific conference in Chicago, and the only scientist in that institution with the appropriate topic of research happened to be Jewish, he will not be sent to Chicago. Instead they will send a guy who is politically acceptable, even though he may have no clue. There were exceptions to this though. One of the more charitable scenarios is when the Jewish guy is such a prominent scientist, so not letting him out would create a big stink in the West. So he'd be allowed to attend. But these cases were exceedingly rare. Your acquaintances were quite unusual.

    As for your second point, sure, the Jews weren't denied a chance to get higher education. They were simply turned away from the fist tier universities and steered towards certain second and third tier institutions. So what's the big deal? Well, first of all, the Soviet higher education was far more centralized than American. If you wanted to get anywhere or do any real science you had to get into one of a handful universities. Secondly, those Soviet second tier institutions were not like American second tier universities, i.e. not really all that different from Harvard. They were really specialized. For example, one of the prominent 1990s Russian Jewish oligarchs Boris Berezovsky graduated from something called Moscow Forestry Engineering Institute. Do you think that was because he loved the woods so much? Steve's favorite oligarch with the great name of German Khan graduated from Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys. Other Jewish oligarchs graduated from Chemistry and Technology Institute, Moscow Institute of Oil and Gas, and so on. These institutes didn't just give an inferior education compared to e.g. Moscow State University, the students there didn't even study the same things.

    And a third point. For the recent college graduates the Soviet Union had a system they called "distribution;" i.e. the graduates were "distributed" among the enterprises. Each former student was assigned a job that they could not refuse. The job could be located anywhere in the USSR. You had to go there and work for at least three years before you were free to leave and seek your own employment (in practice this was not easy and most people just stayed.) If you graduated from a place like the Institute of Oil and Gas, and you didn't have connections to get a job at some research facility, then well. You went to where oil and gas where. So imagine someone who had dreamed of becoming a mathematician or a physicist and had the ability to do so. Instead, five years later he finds himself living in barracks in the Siberian taiga, messing with oil equipment. You think it may have caused some resentment?

    There is a difference between “persecution” and not getting what you want. The whole point was that Americans were being sold this lie that Jews were living these horrible persecuted lives that nobody else in the USSR had to live (why it was practically NAZI Germany for Jews) when they were actually just living the same lives as everybody else. These Jews were economic refugees and not what we normally think as refugees.

    The international conference stuff was just my speculation. They certainly knew that life for professionals was much better in the west than in the USSR. The ones I knew were probably never as Jewish as they were on the day they applied to leave the country and visited the US office.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And the irony of course is that in the first few decades of the Soviet Union, Jews tended to make up a rather large percentage (perhaps a near majority) of the communist leadership both at Moscow and in the provinces. Leon Trotsky, after all, once both Lenin and Stalin's right hand man, was Jewish. And Trotsky was not some shlub peasant living out in the Urals away from the action.

    Steve once made the observation that the great myth that was perpetuated by popular ideas and films such as "Fiddler on the Roof" is that Jews were little more than suffering peasants during both the times of the Tsar and during the USSR. Both of these are at best severely misleading and lies at worst.

    FACT: Wherever the Ashkanazi went they tended not to go into farming land (since they were largely prohibited from owning it) and went into finance.



    "The whole point was that Americans were being sold this lie that Jews were living these horrible persecuted lives that nobody else in the USSR had to live (why it was practically NAZI Germany for Jews) when they were actually just living the same lives as everybody else."

    Uh, since when in human history have Jews collectively thought of themselves as 'just like everyone else'. They never have. Just read their Bible and you'll see that they happen to think that they're the bees knees and wrote the book on being special.

    Live the same life as the goy? In those inferior conditions? Seriously, you jest. Come on. They're waay better than that, just ask them.
  159. @inertial
    Ah, so they went to international conferences? This explains a lot. You see, it was hard enough for a regular Soviet citizen to go abroad on business (let alone tourism,) it was well nigh impossible for a regular Jewish Soviet citizen. The local communist bosses and/or security apparatchiks would never approve that in a million year. If, say, a Soviet research institution received an invitation for a scientific conference in Chicago, and the only scientist in that institution with the appropriate topic of research happened to be Jewish, he will not be sent to Chicago. Instead they will send a guy who is politically acceptable, even though he may have no clue. There were exceptions to this though. One of the more charitable scenarios is when the Jewish guy is such a prominent scientist, so not letting him out would create a big stink in the West. So he'd be allowed to attend. But these cases were exceedingly rare. Your acquaintances were quite unusual.

    As for your second point, sure, the Jews weren't denied a chance to get higher education. They were simply turned away from the fist tier universities and steered towards certain second and third tier institutions. So what's the big deal? Well, first of all, the Soviet higher education was far more centralized than American. If you wanted to get anywhere or do any real science you had to get into one of a handful universities. Secondly, those Soviet second tier institutions were not like American second tier universities, i.e. not really all that different from Harvard. They were really specialized. For example, one of the prominent 1990s Russian Jewish oligarchs Boris Berezovsky graduated from something called Moscow Forestry Engineering Institute. Do you think that was because he loved the woods so much? Steve's favorite oligarch with the great name of German Khan graduated from Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys. Other Jewish oligarchs graduated from Chemistry and Technology Institute, Moscow Institute of Oil and Gas, and so on. These institutes didn't just give an inferior education compared to e.g. Moscow State University, the students there didn't even study the same things.

    And a third point. For the recent college graduates the Soviet Union had a system they called "distribution;" i.e. the graduates were "distributed" among the enterprises. Each former student was assigned a job that they could not refuse. The job could be located anywhere in the USSR. You had to go there and work for at least three years before you were free to leave and seek your own employment (in practice this was not easy and most people just stayed.) If you graduated from a place like the Institute of Oil and Gas, and you didn't have connections to get a job at some research facility, then well. You went to where oil and gas where. So imagine someone who had dreamed of becoming a mathematician or a physicist and had the ability to do so. Instead, five years later he finds himself living in barracks in the Siberian taiga, messing with oil equipment. You think it may have caused some resentment?

    Thanks for this comment. This is exactly how it was, according to ex-Soviet Jews whom I know.

  160. @MarkinLA
    There is a difference between "persecution" and not getting what you want. The whole point was that Americans were being sold this lie that Jews were living these horrible persecuted lives that nobody else in the USSR had to live (why it was practically NAZI Germany for Jews) when they were actually just living the same lives as everybody else. These Jews were economic refugees and not what we normally think as refugees.

    The international conference stuff was just my speculation. They certainly knew that life for professionals was much better in the west than in the USSR. The ones I knew were probably never as Jewish as they were on the day they applied to leave the country and visited the US office.

    And the irony of course is that in the first few decades of the Soviet Union, Jews tended to make up a rather large percentage (perhaps a near majority) of the communist leadership both at Moscow and in the provinces. Leon Trotsky, after all, once both Lenin and Stalin’s right hand man, was Jewish. And Trotsky was not some shlub peasant living out in the Urals away from the action.

    Steve once made the observation that the great myth that was perpetuated by popular ideas and films such as “Fiddler on the Roof” is that Jews were little more than suffering peasants during both the times of the Tsar and during the USSR. Both of these are at best severely misleading and lies at worst.

    FACT: Wherever the Ashkanazi went they tended not to go into farming land (since they were largely prohibited from owning it) and went into finance.

    “The whole point was that Americans were being sold this lie that Jews were living these horrible persecuted lives that nobody else in the USSR had to live (why it was practically NAZI Germany for Jews) when they were actually just living the same lives as everybody else.”

    Uh, since when in human history have Jews collectively thought of themselves as ‘just like everyone else’. They never have. Just read their Bible and you’ll see that they happen to think that they’re the bees knees and wrote the book on being special.

    Live the same life as the goy? In those inferior conditions? Seriously, you jest. Come on. They’re waay better than that, just ask them.

  161. @Miller
    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things. Our immigration policy discriminates for a whole host of things — American relatives, disease, employability, talent, etc. But the policy is not written as "no one shall be granted a Green Card if they're an unemployable moron."

    If Trump was a serious or intelligent politician he'd simply call for an immigration program based around positive discrimination — more Scandinavian Christians or something. That would be equivalent to our pro-Soviet Jew policy. This is not.

    Come on, Steve. Positive discrimination and negative discrimination are two quite distinct things.

    Steve’s dead on.

    Positive and negative discrimination are in fact functionally the same things. What you’re actually saying is that a *ban*–complete negative discrimination–on is different than merely a positive–but not complete–preference for not . Obviously true.

    However, when allocating a scarce good, like a job, college admission or immigration to the US, a preference tipping the scales, can function pretty darn close to a ban on those left out. And the fact is that the Soviet Jewry preference pretty much worked out that way. Almost everyone in the Soviet Union was essentially a political prisoner–denied what American’s consider basic human rights. Lots of them would have liked to come here. We had a preference to let pretty much any and all Soviet Jews come. But Soviet gentiles who were identically situated in terms of education, occupation, skills, etc. would have no such preference and generally not be able to come. It was rank religious\ethnic discrimination.

    But more to the point, what the establishment is throwing a hissy fit about is not about Trump suggesting a *ban*. It’s precisely that Trump is suggesting religious discrimination. If Trump had suggested a “religious compatibility” point system and assigned Christians +100 and Muslims -100–so that there was no ban, but Muslims never got to come–unless they were maybe Nobel Prize winners–because Christians were always at the front of the queue … you’d have the exact same hissy fit. The establishment hissy is about Trump proposing that we actually *notice* and favor religiously compatible immigrants over religiously incompatible ones. This is clear from the verbiage spew. The establishment is claiming that religious discrimination in immigration is inherently out-of-bounds.

    And as Steve is pointing out, we had a policy of massive religious discrimination for Jews from the Soviet Union, not at all hidden, but widely discussed within recent memory—within the occupational span of lots of reporters and pundits. In other words, most of this establishment propaganda is … lying.

    Of course, the reason for the difference in reaction, the Jewish refugee preference was in the interest of Jews, while Trump’s suggested policy is in the interests of *Americans*. And that idea—that Americans have the right to select immigrants who are ethnically\culturally\religiously compatible—that is simply beyond the pale. Drives ‘em flat out nuts.

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