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From WNYC, a public radio station in New York:

Trump Administration Sought Negative Information on Haitians

May 16, 2018 · by Beth Fertig

In the spring of 2017, a high level Trump administration official asked for details on how many Haitians with Temporary Protected Status were on public benefits, how many were convicted of “crimes of any kind,” and how many had been in the country unlawfully before being granted TPS.

When told by staffers that this information wasn’t relevant to granting TPS and that the existing data “wasn’t good,” she continued to press ahead. She explained that the Homeland Security Secretary “is going to need this to make a final decision” that spring on whether to extend TPS for Haitians. They were granted the right to stay in the U.S. after a devastating 2010 earthquake.

There’s nothing more wrong that trying to learn facts about immigrants. As everybody know, they are sacred. They are here to save our souls. To ask questions about which immigrants we should let in and which ones we should keep out is evil. You never saw the Bush or Obama administration wanting to know information about immigrants.

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  1. Dan Hayes says:


    For those of your readers benighted enough to live outside of NYC, let them be aware that radio station WNYC makes NPR appear to be a frothing-at-the-mouth right wing mouthpiece!

  2. Daniel H says:

    >> When told by staffers that this information wasn’t relevant to granting TPS and that the existing data “wasn’t good,” she continued to press ahead……

    And only a paranoid would entertain the idea of a permanent, deep state that assiduously works to frustrate the efforts of a determined executive.

  3. Didn’t Donald Trump used to be very proficient at firing people on his TV show?* Did he lose this skill somewhere on the road to the Presidency?

    “Staffers, you don’t tell me what information I need. Ya fiyed!”


    * No, I never watched it, but everyone and his brother were going around say “Ya fiyed!” in that NY accent, so I believe I’ve got the gist of it.

    • Agree: Thorfinnsson
  4. When told by staffers that this information wasn’t relevant to granting TPS and that the existing data “wasn’t good,” she continued to press ahead.

    Why do these people still have jobs?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  5. Tiny Duck says:

    The truth is that white people are the true illegal immigrants

    • Replies: @anonymous
  6. Berty says:

    I’m hoping Trump isn’t stupid enough to sign a DACA bill should it actually make it to his desk.

    But I’m not confident about that.

  7. bgates says:

    Where did WNYC get the right-wing fascist headline writer who thinks getting public benefits, being in the country illegally, or being convicted of crimes counts as “negative information”?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  8. Jefferson says:

    Isn’t all statistics about Haitian immigrants negative? It seems redundant.

  9. Eagle Eye says:

    The January 2010 earthquake in Port-au-Prince, Haiti had a magnitude of 7.0 and caused over 100,000 fatalities.

    A few weeks later, an earthquake hit Southern Chile. This earthquake was magnitude 8.8, i.e., it released about 500 times more energy than the Haiti earthquake (admittedly partially off-shore).

    In the massive Chilean quake, 525 people lost their lives, 25 people went missing[4] and about 9% of the population in the affected regions lost their homes.

    Meanwhile, even Wikipedia admits that the Haitian casualty figures reflect Third World practice:

    Casualties: 100,000 to 316,000 deaths (the higher figure is from a government estimate widely charged with being deliberately inflated;[3] a figure of about 160,000 is provided in a 2010 University of Michigan study;[4] the 100,000 figure is suggested by the U.S. Geological Survey.)[5]

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  10. anon[488] • Disclaimer says:

    staffers that this information wasn’t relevant to granting TPS

    cause TPS is temporary, don’t ya know.

  11. This is OT but very important and absolutely worth a look. This article at Zero Hedge cites recent data from the CDC concerning America’s demographics and fertility. There are some takeaways here that some of you may find surprising.

    1. America’s fertility has hit an all-time low, with TFR in 2017 plummeting to an abysmal 1.76.

    2. “Women and minorities hardest hit.” Recent fertility declines were most pronounced among Hispanics, followed by American Indians, then Blacks. Unwed, uneducated women experienced greater rates of decline than married, educated women.

    3. Fertility declined in every state in the union except North Dakota. The southwestern states of California, New Mexico, and Arizona are among the leaders of the trend.

    Definitely read the whole thing. This is pretty pertinent to issues of race, ethnicity, and demography.

  12. J.Ross says: • Website

    Huge numbers of federal employees need to lose their jobs, especially judges, without keeping the white collar salary-for-life that this sort of person almost always has.

  13. As everybody know, they are sacred. They are here to save our souls.

    You’re getting close, Steve. Immigrants are sacred not because they save us, but because their presence gives us the chance to show how we can save them.

    We are the agents; they are helpless and can do nothing without our grace.

    Pride, not guilt, lies at the root of this worldview.

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @stillCARealist
  14. Tiny Duck says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It’s because People don’t want to bring Children into a world where racist fascist Trump is in control with his white supremacist constituency

    Once the democrats take the power back in 2020 things will get back to normal and you guys can get back to messing your pants

  15. @Intelligent Dasein

    I used to be a voracious Zerohedge reader, I.D., and love the commenters. I want to read that article, but the site is so out-of-control with scripts and stuff, it is almost unusable (yes, on a number of different computers and other devices)!

    • Replies: @Anon
  16. The smart, patriotic, moral way to reduce immigration from Haiti and similar countries is to point to braindrain. Haiti would be in much better shape if their more capable citizens hadn’t left. By enabling their more capable citizens to leave, Dems/MSM/etc have made themselves extremely vulnerable. What they’re enabling harms Developing Countries.

    What’s beyond annoying is that Trump has to play to the dumbest, most deranged non-institutionalized people in the USA. Because he’s on the left side of the curve himself and he only knows how to play to those even further left on the curve, he can’t use that against the bad guys. He, his fans, and all those who enable him including this site – despite their bluster – are in effect helping the bad guys.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    , @MarkinLA
  17. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Recent fertility declines were most pronounced among Hispanics
    It’s true, they’re down to only seven kids a household.

  18. Jefferson says:

    “Haiti would be in much better shape if their more capable citizens hadn’t left.”

    Is Haiti really sending us their best? The Haitian elites aren’t moving to The U.S, it’s the Haitians who eat mud cookies that are immigrating here.

    • Replies: @President Barbicane
  19. Back during the coverage of the “s—hole countries” comment, I looked around a bit for information on Haiti. Since the earthquake, efforts to build sanitation and other infrastructure have completely failed for usual third world reasons (breathtaking levels of corruption, low IQ, a general malaise, etc.).

    Soon after the quake, a friend saw a construction information lamp sign on the highway in his commute home from work that read, “DONATE TO HAITI”–the sole message on the sign. Viral virtue signaling has been inescapable for nearly a decade. The contrast of the message and the medium was humorous at the time, but at the time it was hard to imagine how things could get worse.

  20. Dr. Doom says:

    The International Society of Invasive Species otherwise known as Shut Up You Racist said, “We believe the racism of fact checking and reporting crime is damaging our ability to elicit sympathy and funds from gullible low info voters.” “Rapine and looting is just part of their rich and violent culture.”, said unelectable member of the Bush Clan. “Sure everybody wants a safe and prosperous community, but you cannot make an omelet without raping chickens and sacrificing them to moon gawds.”, stated token minority hire. “We need to have a more open and welcoming society where walls, locked doors and alarms do not interfere with the free flow of goods.” said the man claiming to be a Hobbit that was arrested forty times for burglary. “We identify as Hobbits because people are so prejudiced against burglars.” he clarified. He is expected to run for President in 2020 on the Libertarian Party ticket.

  21. Here is a quick summary of the Dasein-provided link to a Zero Hedge-article on the latest fertility data for the U.S.

    One state is a complete anomaly in that fertility rose: North Dakota.
    The rest of the data needs to be read with an implied minus sign. Arizona saw the steepest decline (36%), due to the high percentage of Hispanics and Native Americans in that state.

    Data by race (not increases, but declines):

    18.7    Hispanics
    15.1    Native Americans/Alaskans
    9.6      Blacks
    9.3      Whites
    7.0      Average all Non-Hispanics
    5.8.     Asians

    Fertility of women by educational category:
    no bachelor  -12%
    bachelor        -10%
    graduate        -7%

    I hope Whiskey didn’t lose his shirt in the prediction markets.

    So clearly Peak Disparate Impact is at hand. The outfit that served as Zero Hedge’s data source – it’s called Institute for Family Studies – is all over it and concludes: “Any serious pro-natal policy in America worth its salt would primarily result in birth gains among minority mothers, not white ones. Accelerating the national birth rate would also accelerate the pace at which the non-Hispanic white population share declines.”

    Note: these are early estimates

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  22. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Trolling again, eh Duckie?

  23. @Eagle Eye

    A few weeks later, an earthquake hit Southern Chile. This earthquake was magnitude 8.8, i.e., it released about 500 times more energy than the Haiti earthquake (admittedly partially off-shore).

    I have never been to Chile, so I cannot comment on conditions there, but I was in Port au Prince, Haiti a few days after the 2010 earthquake.

    The quake struck during working hours and vast numbers of people were killed in office and university buildings that collapsed. Many buildings were built on loose subsoils that shifted violently, many home were built on steep slopes where avalanche conditions developed and whole neighborhoods were swept away, many buildings were built with inadequate rebar to reinforce concrete floors that pancaked, and so on.

    There is no doubt that lack of proper building codes and enforcement and use of inadequate construction materials contributed a lot to the high death toll in Haiti. No accurate count was possible. I saw excavators scooping bodies out of buildings and dumping them in tipper trucks. ID documents from the bodies were thrown in a pile, cash was collected by the rescuers, and the bodies were taken to mass graves.

    I am sure that Chile had better buildings, probably better soil that did not shake like jello, and maybe much of the force of the earthquake fell in unpopulated areas or mountains.

    I clambered over the ruins in the picture here. There was no yellow tape to prevent anyone doing so, most of the police had been killed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  24. The WASP / JEW ruling class of the American Empire is pouring Haitians into the United States.

    The evil treasonous scum in the WASP / JEW ruling class have been flooding Haitians, Somalians, Congo creatures and other sub-Saharan Africans into the United States because they are human cultural irritants who will act as invasive corrosive agents to destroy cultural cohesion and national sovereignty.

    The more incompatible a Third Worlder is to the European Christian ancestral core of the United States, the better it is for the success of the evil plot of the treasonous WASP / JEW ruling class to attack White Core America. The WASP / JEW ruling class is deliberately flooding the United States with Third Worlders in order to destroy any sense of cultural continuity and cultural cohesion.

    The Haitian inundation and invasion of the United States has been going on for decades.

    Tweet from 2014:

  25. The Temporary Protected Status for Haitians is implemented in a very strange way. Haitians cannot just jump on a plane and fly to the US, but if they present themselves at the Mexico border posts, they will be let into the US.

    I suppose building a continuous wall with no crossing points would fix this.

  26. A terrible story about an immigrant to the UK

    and another one, not as bad as the story above, but sill another young life wasted

    I read these stories which keep on happening and I come to certain conclusions, the open boarders people read them and they never think that their crazy ideology should even be questioned

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ye shall be as gods…

    Funny how I find myself remembering that verse nearly every day. Yes, and sometimes it applies to me.

  28. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    True that, but I find it works just fine with Brave browser.

  29. @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere

    Native Americans are in really depressed shape lately. They are suffering both non-Asian minority-type problems and flyover country White Death type-problems simultaneously.

  30. @Jonathan Mason

    Haiti is a combination of poverty and dense population that makes it particularly vulnerable to earthquakes. Haitians have to build up to accommodate the population but can’t afford basic safety features in building. Most African countries weren’t so densely populated until recently due to the disease burden in Africa. But Haiti has fewer Old World diseases than Africa, I guess, so it’s population is very high.

    Plus, I don’t think Africa has all that many earthquakes. It’s kind of an old continent, like Australia. I could be all wrong about this, but a lot of Africa seems pretty geologically bland, except for the Great Rift Valley. Like Australia, a lot of Africa’s soil is pretty worn out, except in volcanic areas like Rwanda, which is also densely populated.

  31. AndrewR says:

    Uh, because they did their job.

    If your boss wants information in order to make a decision, and you know that the information they’re asking for won’t help them make that decision, you have the duty to tell them that.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  32. Farenheit says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Using the Mark Steyn’s rule for visualizing TFR and population decline, a TFR of 1.76 means 100 grandmothers have 77 granddaughters, not good but not South Korea bad (100 grannies, 38 grand daugthers)
    Isteve-o-sphere feel free to check the math, I use a very simple algorithm for this.

  33. MarkinLA says:

    The smart, patriotic, moral way to reduce immigration from Haiti and similar countries is to point to braindrain.

    People have been doing this and all it does is make for headlines about how immigrants are saving us. I would think that somebody even remotely familiar with the H-1B scam would know that.

    The only negative arguments that work in politics are when somebody is hurting ME. Nobody cares if you are benefitting them. Americans being hurt by Haitian immigration is the only argument that will work.

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
  34. MarkinLA says:

    and you know that the information they’re asking for won’t help them make that decision

    How do you know that? Can you read minds? Unless there is a strict criteria that has to be followed in making the decision that everybody knows about, you really can’t say that. It’s not as if government employees don’t lie about things based on their political views.

  35. @MarkinLA

    People (aside from the NYT) haven’t been doing that AFAIK. I’m also referring to challenging the bad guys with the goal of showing them wrong. That’s not happening.

    For a tangible example, see my name’s link. The many reporters who repeated their press release didn’t mention braindrain. I brought it up repeatedly on Twitter, seeking to discredit the researchers and reporters to their base. I got zero help with that. For instance, just recently I saw a group promoting an appearance by one of the researchers. I asked that group if they support braindraining the Third World as that researcher does.

    If this site, vDare, FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA, Kaus, Coulter, etc had helped with that and had tried to really press a reporter on promoting something that harms the Third World, we could have had a very, very healthy impact.

    Of course, the same people who enable those people despite them never actually doing anything won’t understand that.

  36. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    I was just reading about the acid attack story earlier. However the guy apparently had HIV (contracted how?) so his life was already screwed up before he met this crazy negress.

  37. @Jefferson

    No, Haiti really is sending their best. Haitian immigrants are more educated than people who stay in Haiti (I know that sounds ridiculous, but it’s true).

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