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From the New York Times Editorial Page Editor’s blog:

To Prevent Another Ferguson, Vote in Georgia

By DAVID FIRESTONE OCTOBER 22, 2014 2:33 PM

A Georgia Democratic Party flyer.

ATLANTA — Georgia Republicans are furious about a flyer just released by the state Democratic Party that invokes the shooting in Ferguson, Mo., as a new incentive for black voters to cast a ballot in the midterm election.

“If you want to prevent another Ferguson in their future — vote,” the flyer says, over a photo of black children holding “don’t shoot” signs. “It’s up to you to make change happen.”

This is described as a “racial grenade” and “scaremongering” by the right-wing blog Hot Air.

“What does Ferguson, Missouri have to do with electing Michele Nunn to the Senate and Jimmy Carter’s grandson to the governorship in Georgia?” the blog post asks, and then supplies its own answer: Georgia Democrats want black voters to think their children might be shot if they don’t vote for Ms. Nunn and Mr. Carter.

The flyer, though, makes a very different point, and a good one that applies in virtually all of the major races this year. The white domination of the mostly black city of Ferguson is the direct result of local residents not participating in the political system. If people don’t like the results they’re getting from their political leaders — whether it’s the makeup of the police department in a suburb or the refusal to raise the minimum wage in Congress — they need to step up and make their voices heard.

As the flyer says: “Ferguson, Missouri’s population is 67% African-American. But the city’s mayor, five of its six City Council members, and 94% of its police force are white. What are we going to do about it? If we want a better, safer future for our children, it’s up to us to vote for change. The choices may not always be perfect, but the cost of inaction is simply too great.” (It goes on to list the times and places for voting early in the election.)

This is hardly a grenade or racial pandering — in fact, it describes the essence of what political action is about. For too long, many of Georgia’s Democratic voters have stayed home during midterm and state legislative elections, and the cost of that inaction has been high.

Maybe that’s why the right wants to see this message suppressed.

It’s been obvious since the convenience store video was released on August 1 5, that the New York Times’ narrative about Ferguson was part of a Democratic get-out-the-vote-drive. In recent weeks, the evidence has become ever more overwhelming.

Will there ever be any accountability?

 
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  1. I wonder if the revelation that Brown caused his own death and the cop won’t be charged will hurt or help their cause.

    Also, OT: Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau was born in 1982 and was the son of Bulgasem Zehaf, a Quebec businessman who appears to have fought in 2011 in Libya, and Susan Bibeau, the deputy chairperson of a division of Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board. The two were divorced in 1999.

  2. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Report-Israeli-officials-fear-Obama-will-try-to-avoid-bringing-Iran-nuclear-deal-before-Congress-379301

    Maybe the Republicans should try to ignite World War Scots-Irish in order to counter Obama’s strategy. They did so pretty successfully a few years ago with the whole “Obama threw Israel under the bus.”

    World War Black v.s. World War Gay v.s. World War Transsexual v.s. World War Scots-Irish.

    Oh, and to answer Steve’s question, the anwer is NO. There will never be any accountability ever.

  3. OT:

    Donald Sterling comes to Australia…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-21/professor-barry-spurr-injunction-new-matilda-emails/5831204

    Australia’s top English Professor has been suspended from his university over “racist” emails that he sent in private to friends and colleagues…

  4. “As the flyer says: “Ferguson, Missouri’s population is 67% African-American. But the city’s mayor, five of its six City Council members, and 94% of its police force are white. What are we going to do about it? If we want a better, safer future for our children, it’s up to us to vote for change.”

    Do Black children have a safer future in cities like Atlanta and Detroit which are run by Black politicians and not White politicians ?

    And if Black children are not safe around White people, the African American community should fight for more increased residential segregation between Blacks and Whites.

  5. David Firestone wrote this “Idiotorial” for the NYT because as an undergrad he attended the University of Missouri School of Journalism.

    From what I have read Ferguson for decades attracted working and middle class blacks, many of them retires who wanted to escape the creeping ghetto of North St Louis. The typical black Ferguson resident would have been protagonist of Chris Rock’s very non PC comedy routine from back in the day he did non-PC humor.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chris_Rock

    … The very apartment complexes that were once full of retires from St Louis’s auto and aviation factories were turned into Section 8 nightmares in the last decade or so. But apparently the Cultural Marxist Media could not find any of the half dozen blacks who obviously did not buy into the “Narrative” of Saint Mike Brown and are testifying in favor Officer Darren Wilson’s account to grand jury.

    Could it possibly be that working/middle class blacks have been happily voting for White leadership in Ferguson in order to delay its inevitable transformation into just another North St Louis ghetto? Ferguson had restaurants, Walmart, supermarkets, strip malls and lots of other amenities not found in the Ghetto. Soon it will have none of them and the life savings in property values many blacks had will be wiped out.

    Thanks NYT!!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Could it possibly be that working/middle class blacks have been happily voting for White leadership in Ferguson in order to delay its inevitable transformation into just another North St Louis ghetto?

    This is extremely uncomfortable for black folks to think about let alone talk about. "Integration" is really "black flight". The black middle class has driven integration as a way to escape black pathology. What drives them crazy is when white folks do not see them as different--better--than the black trash they are escaping. This was the coded message in MLK's "judge me by the content of my character not the color of my skin." Pity no white politician has understood this at a deep psychic level and figured out how to drive a wedge into this gap. Ferguson might be saved.

  6. Sorry, Steve

    That Chris Rock quote while famous, relevant, and to the point would have been enough to set off the SPLC endorsed corporate censor software on the UNZ.COM.

    Folks can go the the wikiquote if they have no idea what I was talking about. It is Rock’s famous “Who’s more racist” routine from back in the day he had some sack.

    I lived in a 35% Black neighborhood, across the street actually from Section 8 housing that was 24/7 drug corner. The only folks the black property owners hated more were the white hipsters who came by to buy drugs.

  7. Once Black politicians take over Ferguson, Missouri, the transition to a 3rd world underclass ghetto city similar to Gary, Indiana will be 100% complete. White politicians were the only reason Ferguson, Missouri was still hanging on by a hair.

  8. Here’s something I copy-and-pasted from the NYTs to save Ted the trouble

    People of color need to vote because if they don’t their quality of life and yes, safety are at risk. I would like to see the Republicans commenting on this article try and show some empathy and understanding of an entire class of people who live in poverty and fear for their safety. If the tables were turned and they were the ones being racially profiled and incarcerated at alarming rates how they would scream victim. The white population needs to wake up and see how the racism and hatred of this country is shameful and prevents progress towards social justice.

  9. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:

    The scowling Black child in the ad is pretty unappealing. They must not have gotten the memo that beatific innocence is the focus group approved facial expression for such advertising.

    Also here, there is apparently unassailable scientific evidence that Black people only vote for other Black people. Black people must never vote for a White person, unless it is to vote against an even Whiter person.

    I wonder if this Science has any other lessons for us?

  10. All those whites on the Ferguson City Council? Democrats. The St Louis County Executive? A Democrat. Gov of Missouri? A Democrat.

  11. Well, at least this is more tasteful than those horrendous Willie Horton ads.

  12. The Democrats deserve to lose votes, especially white votes, because of their racial demagoguery. They won’t lose many until the Republicans make it an issue. When will they?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Democrats deserve to lose votes, especially white votes, because of their racial demagoguery. They won’t lose many until the Republicans make it an issue. When will they?

     

    Never. But why wait for the Republicans? Just direct all one's energies into damning the Democrats. Actually, letting them damn themselves. This doesn't require Republican involvement, while helping the good ones and hurting the bad ones.

    Never mind whites, this is the way to approach blacks. They'll never vote GOP, and never vote third party. But they've already shown their readiness to stay home.
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    David Firestone wrote this "Idiotorial" for the NYT because as an undergrad he attended the University of Missouri School of Journalism.

    From what I have read Ferguson for decades attracted working and middle class blacks, many of them retires who wanted to escape the creeping ghetto of North St Louis. The typical black Ferguson resident would have been protagonist of Chris Rock's very non PC comedy routine from back in the day he did non-PC humor.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chris_Rock

    ... The very apartment complexes that were once full of retires from St Louis's auto and aviation factories were turned into Section 8 nightmares in the last decade or so. But apparently the Cultural Marxist Media could not find any of the half dozen blacks who obviously did not buy into the "Narrative" of Saint Mike Brown and are testifying in favor Officer Darren Wilson's account to grand jury.

    Could it possibly be that working/middle class blacks have been happily voting for White leadership in Ferguson in order to delay its inevitable transformation into just another North St Louis ghetto? Ferguson had restaurants, Walmart, supermarkets, strip malls and lots of other amenities not found in the Ghetto. Soon it will have none of them and the life savings in property values many blacks had will be wiped out.

    Thanks NYT!!!

    Could it possibly be that working/middle class blacks have been happily voting for White leadership in Ferguson in order to delay its inevitable transformation into just another North St Louis ghetto?

    This is extremely uncomfortable for black folks to think about let alone talk about. “Integration” is really “black flight”. The black middle class has driven integration as a way to escape black pathology. What drives them crazy is when white folks do not see them as different–better–than the black trash they are escaping. This was the coded message in MLK’s “judge me by the content of my character not the color of my skin.” Pity no white politician has understood this at a deep psychic level and figured out how to drive a wedge into this gap. Ferguson might be saved.

  14. “If you want to prevent another Ferguson in their future — vote,” the flyer says, over a photo of black children holding “don’t shoot” signs. “It’s up to you to make change happen.”

    I can sympathize. I want white politicians to start chasing white votes with flyers with photos of white children that say “if you want to prevent liberals from blaming them for black failure – vote; it’s up to you to make change happen. Right now, liberals are setting your children up to take the fall.”

    The flyer, though, makes a very different point, and a good one that applies in virtually all of the major races this year. The white domination of the mostly black city of Ferguson is the direct result of local residents not participating in the political system. If people don’t like the results they’re getting from their political leaders — whether it’s the makeup of the police department in a suburb or the refusal to raise the minimum wage in Congress — they need to step up and make their voices heard.

    My flyer would be making a very germane point, too. The liberal domination of American politics has turned white people into the scapegoat for all of black people’s problems. It has become a perpetual cycle, a multi-generational assault. If whites don’t want liberals blaming their kids for black failure and taxing them heavily to pay for the upkeep on blacks, they’re going to have to stop voting liberals into power. They need to step up and make their voices heard; they need to tell liberals they’re not going to take the blame any more.

  15. So the conclusion is, if blacks vote they only vote for blacks.

  16. I pity the responsible, law-abiding, socially productive blacks and whites in Ferguson. I lived on Prospect Street, East Orange, NJ circa 1974. I have seen how quickly an influx of the black underclass can turn a stable mixed-race neighborhood with all the urban amenities into a hellish slum. It literally takes about half a year. If I lived in Ferguson and it were at all possible I’d eat my current financial loss and get out now. It now seems inevitable that the outsiders who spent the summer trashing Ferguson will be setting up to impose a corrupt city government and police department on the place. When the destruction is complete the MSM’s coverage of further dysfunction and carnage will cease just as it always has but THE NARRATIVE will continue.

  17. Oh, and to answer Steve’s question, the answer is NO. There will never be any accountability ever.

    Don’t be too sure. If the leftists ever lose power and find themselves on the outside, they will go back to criticizing the power structure and demanding accountability, 24/7.

  18. Unless you can target the message so it does not leak out to the larger public, I would think basing a get-out-the-vote drive on this sort of inflammatory material would likely backfire on you.

  19. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The way the various parties scrap over the black vote one would think they were a fabulous treasure. Apparently no one else votes and is worth going after, only blacks. Using those children as political props, holding up those inflammatory signs, is disgraceful.
    The real truth is that the greatest danger to blacks are other blacks. The worst move a black can make is to vote for the black candidates.

  20. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    It is beyond obvious that in 2014 he Democratic Party is waging a vicious over-the-top race war against The Historic Native Born White American Majority….which started with the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.

    Steve

    Some more WWW G STUFF….did you know that the Commanding Officer of Barksfield Airforce base…home of the B2 bomber…is a lesbian named Colonel Kristin Goodwin. To my finer eyes Colonel Goodwin is an attractive Lesbian…married to her wife..Kelley. Google Commander Goodwins’ Facebook page where you will be greeted by a smiling Commander Goodwin….her wife Kelly..and their two two year old daughters….AMERICA the freak show…..

  21. The St. Louis area is a pretty dangerous place – just ask the widow of Hoang Nguyen, an elderly Vietnamese man who was beaten to death on a public street last year by a group of (black) teens playing “Knockout King.” Hmmm, somehow the MSM managed to overlook this senseless interracial killing. There was accountability, though – the chief perp, Elex Murphy, got life plus 25 years. No daoubt at all about the facts here. But I guess this largely overlooked incident didn’t fit the MSM narrative. I’m sure that’s a big comfort to Hoang Nguyen’s widow.

    And no, there will be no accountability. The MSM twist the facts to fit their preconceived ideas. Reminds me of “Izvestiye” (“News”) and “Pravda” (Truth”). The old Soviet-era joke was that there was no truth in news and no news in truth.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hoang Nguyen, an elderly Vietnamese man
     
    I've been trying to explain to people that Knockout doesn't "target whites", it merely exempts blacks.
  22. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Polls are pointing to significant possible losses for the Democrats in Congress and a big part of that is the predicted low black turnout for midterm elections. So getting the black base ginned up with imaginary lynchings is their last best hope.

    Blacks are dream voters for Democrats – 93% voted for Obama. Every black that you turn out to the polls is virtually a guaranteed vote for your party. Do the Republicans have ANY group, even married white males, that is so reliable? The math is that if Democrats automatically get 90+% of the black vote and can split the white vote, they can win almost every time, as long as the black vote turns out.

    • Replies: @TB2
    The black vote isn't squat. It's the invader vote that has pushed us past the third-world tipping point. If we had the same demographics as 1980 the Democrats wouldn't use such tactics for fear of a white backlash.
  23. So Sam Nunn’s daughter if she makes it to the Senate would have the power all by herself to prevent gentle giants from running and lunging at smaller lighter cops.

    Okay.

  24. The NY Times has been shameless for sometime but especially after 9-11.

    As far as officer Wilson escalating a jaywalking warning into gunfire Wilson might not be criminal, but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    You don't give up. How 'bout what the evidence thus far suggests: the confrontation was 'escalated' by Michael Brown.
    , @AnotherDad

    As far as officer Wilson escalating a jaywalking warning into gunfire Wilson might not be criminal, but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.
     
    George, you're serving up a big pompous element of "those dumb hayseeds".

    Some cops are on ego\power trips. Most cops with experience are way better at these sorts of situations then 95% of keyboard jockeys. George you'd probably have just ended up dead, or with Brown running off with your gun and you limping back to the station a laughing stock.

    And anyone with *any* real world experience knows that whatever happened here, it doesn't take the cop being the least bit incompetent\malicious to account for it.

    Cop\Wilson (probably through bullhorn): "Move out of the street"

    Brown: "Don't tell me to get out the street [email protected]%@" "This is my #$%*#$ street(&%$%"

    Now this is no longer making a big deal out of "jaywalking"--i.e. thugs trying to own the street--its a "must arrest" scenario. Wilson can hardly drive back bloodied to the station house for "community relations" purposes even if he was inclined to do so. And this is precisely the behavior--Brown precisely the sort of "person" (an asshole)--the cops do indeed need to suppress to make a community a decent place to live.

    Cop\Wilson (getting out of the car): "Hands up."

    Brown:

    Cop\Wilson: Boom!

    This last part is speculative. (Though apparently there's now some evidence of it to.) The first part that Brown stuck his head in the car and tussled with Wilson for his gun which went off seems to be pretty well established by witnesses almost immediately (just not adequately reported by the press ... surprise!) Once that initial fight happens you've got a hyped up cop who
    a) *knows* Brown is an asshole (and a big strong one) who will try to resist arrest
    and
    b) *must* arrest him.

    This fact set--which can obviously lead to "bad things happening" was entirely setup by the actions of Brown (being an asshole), not Wilson (routinely doing his job).

    Dealing with assholes is not an easy job. For starters they don't necessarily come with big signs on them saying *asshole*. If Wilson did anything wrong it was probably giving him *too much* benefit of the doubt and letting him get too close, too fast. But that was probably impossible to prevent, precisely because Wilson is a street cop in the community not soldier enforcing an occupation.
  25. PANTS UP DON’T LOOT

    • Replies: @Harold
    I like it!
  26. The message of the flyer is about Ferguson having a white mayor? That’s what “another Ferguson” means? And do people vote for police officers in Missouri or something?

    Or is the point “Black people would never shoot another black person.” I don’t know if Firestone is deliberately pretending he doesn’t see the obvious in order to draw people out so he can shame them, or is so awash in Kool-Aid that he really doesn’t see.

  27. Ferguson could have been prevented with greater black voter participation and civic engagement. This isn’t a dog whistle, it is fact that leadership with the cultural competency or personal experience rooted in the community served will serve the interest of that community better. It just so happens that black youth do need to fear being shot by whites who don’t have that competency or experience. Heck, black adults too!

    So, for black parents who don’t want to teach their children to fear irrational violence at the hands of agents of the state, or acts ignored by the state (think lynching not too long ago, or stories about relatives “disappearing” as recently as the 90’s in Mississippi), civic engagement is one step in the process of reducing that likelihood.

  28. Republicans whining about, and fingerpointiing at, Democrats? OMG: The sky must be falling!

    Earth to GOPers: There is nothing in this ad’s wholly inclusive message that impels, or implies, anything other than a call for equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process.

    Once again, you’re just pouting because your Superiority Complex hasn’t a clue how to wrap around the holistic style, commitments, and practices of the Democrats.

    Get over it…

    • Replies: @Jo S'more

    Earth to GOPers: There is nothing in this ad’s wholly inclusive message that impels, or implies, anything other than a call for equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process.
     
    LOL !


    Why is it that the Democrats would not allow any collaboration with Republicans on the affordable care act and ended up having tons of stuff in it that is so impossible Obama has had to wave his hand and make go away?

    Democrats can't even pass a budget when they have both houses of Congress and the Oval office! They can't even deal with one another in terms of "equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process."

    Democrat and Liberal are simply malapropisms at this point being neither liberal nor democratic!
  29. People of color need to vote because if they don’t their quality of life and yes, safety are at risk. I would like to see the Republicans commenting on this article try and show some empathy and understanding of an entire class of people who live in poverty and fear for their safety. If the tables were turned and they were the ones being racially profiled and incarcerated at alarming rates how they would scream victim. The white population needs to wake up and see how the racism and hatred of this country is shameful and prevents progress towards social justice.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Ted, I already copy-and-pasted that from the NYTs. Don't you even read the comments before posting? Last time I do you a favour.
  30. I didn’t know the NYT was doing parody editorials.

  31. As I have pointed out here previously, that which Steve recently rightly describes as turning out to be “immensely disingenuous,” is a feature, not a bug, of these partisan political set-pieces. Yes, shameless. But that is a trait of any focused partisan. The differentiation comes in the running room, and getting away with it. In other words, the strategy needs a problematic fact-set. The dog isn’t supposed to catch the car.

    Critics would do well to free their minds of all those pesky principles, and game it out in all of its distasteful beauty. There is something for everyone. Democrats get their best shot at limiting the damage election-wise, everyone else, including the critics here, get to be Right. The latter being some beer of no practical value. Indeed, the pushback throughout the saga is an essential element, without which the sectarian conflict would insufficiently congeal and motivate. Think of it like the children’s story, Goldilocks and The Three Bears. Just enough racial resentment to increase black turnout, but too much.

    The salient question is what would constitute too much? It’s a mistake to think, as many do, that comes from engendering a counter white resentment and fear (as in fear of ending up as the unlucky one on the hot seat). For a variety of reasons, frequently discussed here, only the white underclass is at risk. No, instead, it would come from splitting Middle Class blacks from the black underclass.

  32. Accountability from the MSM, are you kidding? These are the same people that ran lynching campaigns against Richard Jewel, Zimmerman, the Duke LaCrosse team among others.

    It won’t happen, the prestige media never apologizes for race baiting and hatemongering or for covering up racial attacks it doesn’t want the public to know about.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It has always puzzled me that the wronged parties don't attempt to sue the newspapers and reporters for slander.
  33. WhatEvvs [AKA "Cookies"] says:

    “Will there ever be any accountability?”

    Nope. Not now, not ever. That ain’t how revolutions happen.

    I realize you are talking about something much bigger than The NY Times, but just to focus on that paper, it’s gone completely bonkers. There’s an article about how “Western” women are attracted to “extremism” – never noting that the extremism is Islamic, and that most of the Western women are of Islamic origin. (Not that real converts don’t take place, but most of the women in the article are Muslim.)

    BTW, this new Canadian shooter reminds me of Marc Lepine – same mix of besotted French-Canadian female, Arab male, divorce and insanity.

  34. In another example of shamelessness, the justice department is condemning the leaks, and accusing unknown persons of trying to influence the media narrative around the ferguson event…

  35. Steve, what, in this context, do you mean by “accountability.” Who should be held accountable for what? And what form should that accountablity take?

  36. It just keeps getting better and better: http://fox2now.com/2014/10/22/police-investigating-assault-and-theft-following-argument-between-brown-family-relatives/ It sounds like the “Gentle Giant” and his entire family are exactly the kind of people the respectable black folks of Ferguson were trying to get away from. These are the folks who eschew riots and nosy out-of-town reporters but are happy to provide honest testimony before grand juries. Maybe someday their story will get some attention. Your analysis has been spot on, Mr. Sailer

  37. As the flyer says: “Ferguson, Missouri’s population is 67% African-American. But the city’s mayor, five of its six City Council members, and 94% of its police force are white. What are we going to do about it? If we want a better, safer future for our children, it’s up to us to vote for change. . .”
    This is hardly a grenade or racial pandering — in fact, it describes the essence of what political action is about.

    If we accept the logic of the NYT, it doesn’t make sense that America elected a black president. After all, our population is 63% white. How can someone of a different race represent us? (In fact, of course, he doesn’t.)

  38. “Ferguson, Missouri’s population is 67% African-American. But the city’s mayor, five of its six City Council members, and 94% of its police force are white. What are we going to do about it? If we want a better, safer future for our children, it’s up to us to vote for change. The choices may not always be perfect, but the cost of inaction is simply too great.”

    I suppose one could write that the USA is 65% white. But the president, attorney general and a large proportion of the bureaucracy are non white. What are we going to do about it? If we want a better…..

    Somehow I don’t think concern for majority rule would translate into support for white bloc-voting.

  39. By the way, per my above comments, I should have added that the recents leaks are thus intelligible as a part of the electoral strategy. This Democratic campaign pamphlet is baldly accurate, albeit distasteful. It stokes black resentment, signally if they would like to extract anything from this saga it will seemingly only be through punishing the terrible, awful Republicans at the polls. I say ‘seemingly’ because what is most telling in this respect is that there is insufficient information provided, specifically after the confrontation at and in the officer’s SUV, to conclude he is out of legal jeopardy. Kind of curious, no, that these articles nonetheless present that conclusion in essentially unchallenged form?

  40. @rod1963
    Accountability from the MSM, are you kidding? These are the same people that ran lynching campaigns against Richard Jewel, Zimmerman, the Duke LaCrosse team among others.

    It won't happen, the prestige media never apologizes for race baiting and hatemongering or for covering up racial attacks it doesn't want the public to know about.

    It has always puzzled me that the wronged parties don’t attempt to sue the newspapers and reporters for slander.

    • Replies: @DPG
    Zimmerman tried.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/30/florida-judge-rejects-george-zimmerman-defamation-lawsuit-against-nbc/

    I mean, if intentionally editing a clip to make a guy seem racist isn't malicious, I don't really know what is.

  41. @Anonymous
    It has always puzzled me that the wronged parties don't attempt to sue the newspapers and reporters for slander.

    Zimmerman tried.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/30/florida-judge-rejects-george-zimmerman-defamation-lawsuit-against-nbc/

    I mean, if intentionally editing a clip to make a guy seem racist isn’t malicious, I don’t really know what is.

  42. @Tiny Duck
    Republicans whining about, and fingerpointiing at, Democrats? OMG: The sky must be falling!

    Earth to GOPers: There is nothing in this ad's wholly inclusive message that impels, or implies, anything other than a call for equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process.

    Once again, you're just pouting because your Superiority Complex hasn't a clue how to wrap around the holistic style, commitments, and practices of the Democrats.

    Get over it...

    Earth to GOPers: There is nothing in this ad’s wholly inclusive message that impels, or implies, anything other than a call for equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process.

    LOL !

    Why is it that the Democrats would not allow any collaboration with Republicans on the affordable care act and ended up having tons of stuff in it that is so impossible Obama has had to wave his hand and make go away?

    Democrats can’t even pass a budget when they have both houses of Congress and the Oval office! They can’t even deal with one another in terms of “equality, collaboration, and a spirit for participation in the democratic process.”

    Democrat and Liberal are simply malapropisms at this point being neither liberal nor democratic!

  43. Ferguson could have been prevented with greater black voter participation and civic engagement. This isn’t a dog whistle, it is fact that leadership with the cultural competency or personal experience rooted in the community served will serve the interest of that community better. It just so happens that black youth do need to fear being shot by whites who don’t have that competency or experience. Heck, black adults too!

    So, for black parents who don’t want to teach their children to fear irrational violence at the hands of agents of the state, or acts ignored by the state (think lynching not too long ago, or stories about relatives “disappearing” as recently as the 90’s in Mississippi), civic engagement is one step in the process of reducing that likelihood.

    Ted, you clever trickster you. I almost didn’t notice the clues. Zed=Ted, haha.

    ZTed. ZTed. Zithead. Hey, I think it suits you. Better than Tedzedlylezelig, anyway.

    “Agents of the state,” Zithead? Do libs think that way?

    I didn’t know the NYT was doing parody editorials.

    Now if we can just get Zithead to go and comment there, the circle will be complete.

    BTW, this new Canadian shooter reminds me of Marc Lepine – same mix of besotted French-Canadian female, Arab male, divorce and insanity.

    I blamed the Sandy Hook shooter on divorce and single mothers, just to piss lefties off and show them what they look like to sane people.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Got easy on Z(T)ed. As a chosen one he must destroy the Brutals to become one with Zardoz.
  44. @Svigor

    Ferguson could have been prevented with greater black voter participation and civic engagement. This isn’t a dog whistle, it is fact that leadership with the cultural competency or personal experience rooted in the community served will serve the interest of that community better. It just so happens that black youth do need to fear being shot by whites who don’t have that competency or experience. Heck, black adults too!

    So, for black parents who don’t want to teach their children to fear irrational violence at the hands of agents of the state, or acts ignored by the state (think lynching not too long ago, or stories about relatives “disappearing” as recently as the 90's in Mississippi), civic engagement is one step in the process of reducing that likelihood.
     
    Ted, you clever trickster you. I almost didn't notice the clues. Zed=Ted, haha.

    ZTed. ZTed. Zithead. Hey, I think it suits you. Better than Tedzedlylezelig, anyway.

    "Agents of the state," Zithead? Do libs think that way?

    I didn’t know the NYT was doing parody editorials.
     
    Now if we can just get Zithead to go and comment there, the circle will be complete.

    BTW, this new Canadian shooter reminds me of Marc Lepine – same mix of besotted French-Canadian female, Arab male, divorce and insanity.
     
    I blamed the Sandy Hook shooter on divorce and single mothers, just to piss lefties off and show them what they look like to sane people.

    Got easy on Z(T)ed. As a chosen one he must destroy the Brutals to become one with Zardoz.

  45. Any relation to the late Shulamith Firestone ?

  46. @Beliavsky
    The Democrats deserve to lose votes, especially white votes, because of their racial demagoguery. They won't lose many until the Republicans make it an issue. When will they?

    The Democrats deserve to lose votes, especially white votes, because of their racial demagoguery. They won’t lose many until the Republicans make it an issue. When will they?

    Never. But why wait for the Republicans? Just direct all one’s energies into damning the Democrats. Actually, letting them damn themselves. This doesn’t require Republican involvement, while helping the good ones and hurting the bad ones.

    Never mind whites, this is the way to approach blacks. They’ll never vote GOP, and never vote third party. But they’ve already shown their readiness to stay home.

  47. @Black Death
    The St. Louis area is a pretty dangerous place - just ask the widow of Hoang Nguyen, an elderly Vietnamese man who was beaten to death on a public street last year by a group of (black) teens playing "Knockout King." Hmmm, somehow the MSM managed to overlook this senseless interracial killing. There was accountability, though - the chief perp, Elex Murphy, got life plus 25 years. No daoubt at all about the facts here. But I guess this largely overlooked incident didn't fit the MSM narrative. I'm sure that's a big comfort to Hoang Nguyen's widow.

    And no, there will be no accountability. The MSM twist the facts to fit their preconceived ideas. Reminds me of "Izvestiye" ("News") and "Pravda" (Truth"). The old Soviet-era joke was that there was no truth in news and no news in truth.

    Hoang Nguyen, an elderly Vietnamese man

    I’ve been trying to explain to people that Knockout doesn’t “target whites”, it merely exempts blacks.

  48. @Tiny Duck
    People of color need to vote because if they don't their quality of life and yes, safety are at risk. I would like to see the Republicans commenting on this article try and show some empathy and understanding of an entire class of people who live in poverty and fear for their safety. If the tables were turned and they were the ones being racially profiled and incarcerated at alarming rates how they would scream victim. The white population needs to wake up and see how the racism and hatred of this country is shameful and prevents progress towards social justice.

    Ted, I already copy-and-pasted that from the NYTs. Don’t you even read the comments before posting? Last time I do you a favour.

  49. Actually, if they want them not to get shot, they’d better stick with electing whites, esp. republicans. Dems are soft on crime, and black leaders have an uncanny way of truly screwing up whatever they govern. Part is corruption, part lack of morals, and I’m sure an average lower IQ and lower education don’t help. Throw in an all-around not giving a damn, and they tend to be a wrecking ball for their communities, which already have a dangerous stew of vibrant people as it is.

  50. I’ve been trying to explain to people that Knockout doesn’t “target whites”, it merely exempts blacks.

    One of the cruelest knockout videos I’ve seen shows a black thug punching out a frail, elderly black man in a Chicago subway station, and then laughing and whooping it up with his friends.

    http://chicagoist.com/2011/11/11/video_shows_teen_knock_out_older_ma.php

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    So…I can’t seem to figure out which team Mr. Firestone happens to be playing for. I love keeping score at home, but I don’t know whether to rack the points up for the Home Team or the Perpetual Visitors. He doesn’t have a Wikipedia page associated with his name, so the tactic of checking the “Early Life” section is a no-go.

    Anyone who knows this vital info?

  52. @george
    The NY Times has been shameless for sometime but especially after 9-11.

    As far as officer Wilson escalating a jaywalking warning into gunfire Wilson might not be criminal, but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    You don’t give up. How ’bout what the evidence thus far suggests: the confrontation was ‘escalated’ by Michael Brown.

  53. Steve, you need to do an analysis to see if there is an optimal size town or city to prevent the influx of undesirables. It would seem that the larger the cities, the larger the public employment bloat, and hence the greater number of paper shuffling jobs and other non-market based employment that people on the left side of the bell curve thrive on. One of the cool things about living in an upper middle crust suburban town is that there really is no government spending per se. We don’t need many cops. We don’t need extra baby sitters in the schools, and we don’t need social workers. The worst thing we have to contend with are city planners who try to shake us down every time we want to build something. The thing about a town like Ferguson is that there wasn’t really anything worth taking over to begin with so why bother controlling the local government?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …and hence the greater number of paper shuffling jobs and other non-market based employment that people on the left side of the bell curve thrive on.
     
    And vice versa.
  54. @BigGaySteve
    PANTS UP DON'T LOOT

    I like it!

  55. Despicable is a better word for it.

    Anymore the NYT is just really creepy.

  56. @george
    The NY Times has been shameless for sometime but especially after 9-11.

    As far as officer Wilson escalating a jaywalking warning into gunfire Wilson might not be criminal, but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    As far as officer Wilson escalating a jaywalking warning into gunfire Wilson might not be criminal, but some combination of unlucky and incompetent with a bit of maliciousness thrown in probably explains the situation.

    George, you’re serving up a big pompous element of “those dumb hayseeds”.

    Some cops are on ego\power trips. Most cops with experience are way better at these sorts of situations then 95% of keyboard jockeys. George you’d probably have just ended up dead, or with Brown running off with your gun and you limping back to the station a laughing stock.

    And anyone with *any* real world experience knows that whatever happened here, it doesn’t take the cop being the least bit incompetent\malicious to account for it.

    Cop\Wilson (probably through bullhorn): “Move out of the street”

    Brown: “Don’t tell me to get out the street [email protected]%@” “This is my #$%*#$ street(&%$%”

    Now this is no longer making a big deal out of “jaywalking”–i.e. thugs trying to own the street–its a “must arrest” scenario. Wilson can hardly drive back bloodied to the station house for “community relations” purposes even if he was inclined to do so. And this is precisely the behavior–Brown precisely the sort of “person” (an asshole)–the cops do indeed need to suppress to make a community a decent place to live.

    Cop\Wilson (getting out of the car): “Hands up.”

    Brown:

    Cop\Wilson: Boom!

    This last part is speculative. (Though apparently there’s now some evidence of it to.) The first part that Brown stuck his head in the car and tussled with Wilson for his gun which went off seems to be pretty well established by witnesses almost immediately (just not adequately reported by the press … surprise!) Once that initial fight happens you’ve got a hyped up cop who
    a) *knows* Brown is an asshole (and a big strong one) who will try to resist arrest
    and
    b) *must* arrest him.

    This fact set–which can obviously lead to “bad things happening” was entirely setup by the actions of Brown (being an asshole), not Wilson (routinely doing his job).

    Dealing with assholes is not an easy job. For starters they don’t necessarily come with big signs on them saying *asshole*. If Wilson did anything wrong it was probably giving him *too much* benefit of the doubt and letting him get too close, too fast. But that was probably impossible to prevent, precisely because Wilson is a street cop in the community not soldier enforcing an occupation.

  57. Ferguson could have been prevented with greater black voter participation and civic engagement. This isn’t a dog whistle, it is fact that leadership with the cultural competency or personal experience rooted in the community served will serve the interest of that community better. It just so happens that black youth do need to fear being shot by whites who don’t have that competency or experience. Heck, black adults too!

    It’s always an interesting when the lefties and Democrats come out to get that peek at the world through their funhouse mirror. Reality all twisted and distorted as necessary to serve the narrative and justify their will to power and the superstate gobbling up productive people’s incomes to make cushy sinecures for themselves. Evil whitey … he must be suppressed!

    Let’s unpack this fantasy paragraph:
    a)

    “Ferguson could have been prevented with greater black voter participation and civic engagement”

    How? How about a single explanation of how that even *might* work?
    Do we even know that black civic engagement was lacking? Because they voted for the names of the existing white *Democrats* instead of tossing them all out for black Democrats?

    b)

    “This isn’t a dog whistle …”

    Sure it is! C’mon. It’s *completely* a dog whistle. It’s a prod to Georgia’s blacks to get out and vote for white Democrats like … the Ferguson city council! It’s completely nonsensical other than simply stirring racial resentment.

    c) Even if the Ferguson city council were majority black Democrat instead of white Democrat, how would that change the police force? Eventually sure. But the police force is still mostly white, and would continue to be mostly white for years because they are *public employees* with a union. That public employees are sacred with an entitlement to their jobs is a Democrat value. So the white officers would keep their jobs. (What you’d have is an influx of young AA–less intelligent\competent–black officers. The results from that would not likely be great.)

    d)

    “Cultural competence and personal experience”

    Do you seriously think a veteran street copy in a mixed race city doesn’t have cultural competence with black people. As soon as a city is even a quarter black–which Ferguson already was by the 1990 census–a cops job will mostly be dealing with black assholes. Whatever race, he’ll get a handle on how they behave. And if he can’t get the hang of it he won’t last on the job. He’ll move further out to a white suburb. Or quit. Or have a bunch of incidents and be flagged as a troubled cop and prompted to move or quit. (Wilson doesn’t have any string of such incidents.)

    e) Even if the police department had quickly swung in tune with the changing racial demographics of Ferguson… it would still be 1/3 white. So this week Michael Brown is told to get his ass outta the street by a black officer–maybe he complies (because the cop is black and the Jewish left hasn’t spent the last 50 years telling him to be mad as hell at black guys) or maybe not and the black cop shoots him. Ok those are both better outcomes (especially the later). But let’s say he complies … but now (because we don’t have complete segregation) *next week* its a white officer … same shit different day.
    Unless we have complete segregation the fundamental problem here is … Michael Brown! Michael Brown being an asshole, unable to take even trivial direction from white authority.

    f) Even if the Ferguson force was all black … black cops shoot blacks too. I don’t have a link to any stats, so take it as rank speculation. But my perception from the police misconduct cases that make the news is that black officers are very well represented. My understanding is black officers–because of AA in hiring–tend to be less competent, less conscientious and more likely to screw up and resort to deadly force unnecessarily. Plus white officers know the racial crap that’s going to come down on them. My guess is a black officer is more likely to shoot a black in the same situation then a white officer is.

    g)

    …. will serve the interest of that community better

    A longer explanation may be necessary if you just don’t have the insight\experience to understand it, but telling young men to get out of the middle of the street precisely *is* in the interest of the community it’s a critical interest of the community. Establishing control of the street–that you can’t walk through it or drive through it without being intimidated, worried about being harrassed, is how thugs gain control of a street, a neighborhood. (Think Irish gangs of New York or Sicilian Mafiosi if you need a non-black examples to wrap your head around.) Keeping that from happening–keeping the street safe\orderly for ordinary people–is how the cops can\do\should fight crime beyond simply chasing the bad guys. The freedom of the street for decent people is a prerequisite for “civilization”.

    Having streets where they could walk or drive–and have their kids walk–without being hassled by young thugs trying to mark\own turf is no doubt why a lot of the middle and working class blacks actually moved from St.Louis to Ferguson. It’s precisely “serving the interest of the community”. If the cops didn’t do it the blacks would be complaining about underpolicing and how all the “resources” are spent in the white areas.

    h)

    It just so happens that black youth do need to fear being shot by whites who don’t have that competency or experience.

    Pure fantasy. This is the realm of Harry Potter–potions and spells. Very few blacks are killed by whites in a given year. A few hundred. Almost all of them because they were criminal assholes up to no good. The proof of this is that the Democratic media establishment hunts feverishly to find *any* cases of evil white guys killing innocent blacks–going so far as promoting “person of color” George Zimmerman to “white”–but the drawer is so empty the end up with pathetic cases like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, which inevitably with any investigation turn out to be “black asshole beats on someone and gets shot”.

    Law abiding blacks have much more to fear from swimming pools than white people.

    Law abiding blacks *do* have to worry more about getting shot, but by … other blacks. That’s why blacks with jobs moved to Ferguson in the first place and weren’t immediately interested in taking over the joint politically, kicking out the white establishment and making it into Detroit. Being run by whites was a feature not a bug. (Unfortunately the Democrats have this Section 8 program to harass and destabilize white (or mixed) working class neighborhoods. So the working blacks who moved to Ferguson now are once again surrounded by black garbage.)

    What black parents really need to worry about–what is a serious problem–is to work against the left\jewish\media\entertainment culture that encourages their kid to have a blame whitey chip on his shoulder and to be an asshole. That can get their kid killed. White people … not likely.

  58. Ironically, while a tendentious apparent fabrication, the “Hand’s Up, Don’t Shoot,” routine is emblematic of a lack of disagreement across the spectrum, after the fact, as to how incidents such as this are avoided. However, that Brown apparently did not put his hands in the air doesn’t free Officer Wilson from legal jeopardy, regardless of how sympathetic many of us are toward Officer Wilson, and rightly so.

    Whether Officer Wilson permissibly used deadly force is a question of whether he reasonably feared for his life, or that of others, AT THE TIME he used such deadly force. In other words, the initial confrontation, when Wilson was in his SUV, does not exculpate him for the later, albeit seconds, use of force after Brown broke off, and moved away from the SUV.

    What I find little discussed, through rather significant, is that neither Brown nor Wilson could likely hear anything after Wilson’s gun went off twice in the confined space of his SUV.

  59. Got easy on Z(T)ed. As a chosen one he must destroy the Brutals to become one with Zardoz.

    This is me going easy. I loves me some Zithead.

    I have not yet had teh plezure of teh Zardoz. Sean went through a real wilderness period for a while there.

    If Wilson did anything wrong it was probably giving him *too much* benefit of the doubt and letting him get too close, too fast. But that was probably impossible to prevent, precisely because Wilson is a street cop in the community not soldier enforcing an occupation.

    Rolling up his window would have prevented teh Gentle Giant from assaulting him through it. Heck, just taking the time to make sure teh Gentle Giant couldn’t ambush him would have spared Wilson a beating.

    Just sayin’; Wilson’s problem seems to be that he wasn’t racist enough.

    My guess is a black officer is more likely to shoot a black in the same situation then a white officer is.

    Wasn’t that the conclusion of a recent study? I’m trying to summon the precise conclusions but I’m drawing a blank.

    What I find little discussed, through rather significant, is that neither Brown nor Wilson could likely hear anything after Wilson’s gun went off twice in the confined space of his SUV.

    This was one I remembered after I posted “what movies get wrong consistently” recently. Guns are LOUD. They fire guns inside closed or mostly-closed cars all the time in movies. In real life, I’d guess you’re right about the results – temporary deafness, and probably permanent hearing loss, too. It’s bad enough shooting outside in the open without ear protection.

  60. Only “Zed” reference I can think of is the zombies from State of Decay (great game, btw). Ted is sorta like a zombie.

  61. @Prof. Woland
    Steve, you need to do an analysis to see if there is an optimal size town or city to prevent the influx of undesirables. It would seem that the larger the cities, the larger the public employment bloat, and hence the greater number of paper shuffling jobs and other non-market based employment that people on the left side of the bell curve thrive on. One of the cool things about living in an upper middle crust suburban town is that there really is no government spending per se. We don't need many cops. We don't need extra baby sitters in the schools, and we don't need social workers. The worst thing we have to contend with are city planners who try to shake us down every time we want to build something. The thing about a town like Ferguson is that there wasn't really anything worth taking over to begin with so why bother controlling the local government?

    …and hence the greater number of paper shuffling jobs and other non-market based employment that people on the left side of the bell curve thrive on.

    And vice versa.

  62. @Jack D
    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Polls are pointing to significant possible losses for the Democrats in Congress and a big part of that is the predicted low black turnout for midterm elections. So getting the black base ginned up with imaginary lynchings is their last best hope.

    Blacks are dream voters for Democrats - 93% voted for Obama. Every black that you turn out to the polls is virtually a guaranteed vote for your party. Do the Republicans have ANY group, even married white males, that is so reliable? The math is that if Democrats automatically get 90+% of the black vote and can split the white vote, they can win almost every time, as long as the black vote turns out.

    The black vote isn’t squat. It’s the invader vote that has pushed us past the third-world tipping point. If we had the same demographics as 1980 the Democrats wouldn’t use such tactics for fear of a white backlash.

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