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From Quartz:

Serena Williams, even in defeat, notches a victory for women

By Heather Landy September 9, 2018

My husband isn’t a fan of Serena Williams, and while his cheering for her opponents never much fazed me before, these days it fills me with unspeakable rage.

Williams is a 36-year-old woman who exists in a system that wasn’t built for her, who excels at a game that isn’t kind to her, who put her body and indeed her life at risk to have a baby that now depends on her, and is still expected to handle every setback with ease and graciousness, which most of the time she does. (“Everything’s fine, guys,” she said at a press conference after French Open officials banned the catsuit Nike developed for her to help her guard against blood clots.) I can’t understand why more people like my husband aren’t outside right now erecting statues of Williams, let alone able to drum up enough empathy to just cheer her on in a tennis match.

Watching her melt down in the finals of the US Open yesterday (Sept. 8) against 20-year-old Naomi Osaka, I was torn—on the one hand certain her arguing with umpire Carlos Ramos was doing her no favors, and on the other hand appreciative that she was perhaps doing the rest of the world a favor, calling out a perceived injustice against women right as it was unfolding.

While many people are under the misapprehension that Serena was playing a young woman named Naomi Osaka, in reality she was playing Bobby Riggs. So Serena was kvetching not for herself against another woman, like many of you wrongly assume, but for All Women.

A quick recap: Williams, who lost the first set badly and was down in the second

In other words, roughly the equivalent point in the match at which Mike Tyson decided he was going to preserve his marketable reputation as the Most Dangerous Man Alive, despite getting thoroughly outboxed by Evander Holyfield, by biting Holyfield’s ear off and getting disqualified rather than just inevitably losing.

, had been given a warning for receiving illegal coaching. After breaking her racquet in frustration, a second code violation, she was given a one-point penalty. This didn’t go over well with the 23-time grand slam champ. “You owe me an apology,” she cried to Ramos. “I have never cheated in my life. I have a daughter and I stand for what’s right for her.”

She was playing the mom card! And why shouldn’t she? Motherhood is an inextricable part of her identity now, not just as a person but as a tennis player. Williams, it has been noted, would be only the fourth mother to win a grand slam in the Open era. The US tournament, we are told, coincided with her baby’s first birthday. (How many fathers have won grand-slam championships? When are Roger Federer’s children’s birthdays? We don’t know, and more than that, we don’t care.)

Moms are the single most important target audience for advertisers.

That Williams’ mind went to her daughter in the midst of an on-court dispute is not surprising. To be a mother to a daughter is to worry that slights against you will someday become slights against her, as you struggle over whether it’s better to raise a girl who is more prepared for the world as it is or for the world that you hope will be. How my husband could know this, and know how I feel about it, and still root against Williams was beyond me. It felt like a personal betrayal.

If 36 year old mom Serena has beaten her 20 year old rival, that would prove I’ve still got it and don’t have to worry about 20 year olds stealing my husband from me, the bastard.

We began to argue, basically mirroring the dispute we had just seen on television, with my husband calmly pronouncing Williams guilty of bad sportsmanship and me getting fairly worked up over his lack of empathy.

… At the end of the next changeover, Williams again approached the umpire and accused him of being a thief who “stole” a point from her, at which point he docked her a game.

But in professional tennis, as in workplaces in different industries around the world, there are all kinds of double standards for men and women—plus the maddening corollary that a woman must behave like a lady in those moments when she realizes how unjust it all is. Watching Williams cast off those expectations and call out the sexism she’s seen, in the middle of a major tennis championship on national television, felt like a revelation.

You see, “sexism” is the very existence of younger, hotter women. Something must be done about sexism.

Seriously, average people have always rooted for super successful people whom they identify with — Serena, Beyonce, Tom Brady, etc. — to be even more successful in the feeling that somehow that would rub off on them and make their lives better. But, at least, we used to realize that kind of thinking is stupid.

When Tom Brady’s Hail Mary pass at the end of last winter’s Super Bowl fell to the ground uncaught, not too many male Tom Brady fans blamed their wives insufficient ardor for the Pats for their hero’s failure.

Today, however, with the masses having gone to college and been taught post-modernist social constructionist dogmas, that kind of rooting sounds smart. Because it’s prestigious and fashionable, we now get middle-aged married ladies stressing their marriages over their husbands not rooting enough for Beyonce or Hillary or whomever. If only Ms. Landy’s husband had cheered more for Serena, society would have constructed for those 20-year old bimbos a culture in which their waists are no more slender than 36-year old moms’ waists.

 
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  1. “Serena Williams, even in defeat, notches a victory for women”

    This reminds us all of Helen Reddy’s anthem “I Am Woman, Hear Me Whine.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @pyrrhus
  2. SnakeEyes says:

    I feel most sorry for the unnamed husband.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  3. Whiskey says: • Website

    Again more proof on how the stupid and petty considerations of educated White women make them the natural and eternal enemy of beta White males.

    Woman’s issue is with her hubby being beta not Williams.

    Giselle Bundchen does not share her gripes with Tom Brady on Twitter.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  4. SnakeEyes says:

    I feel most sorry for the unnamed husband

  5. CJ says:

    Too funny that Serena melted down against a Latin umpire while getting beat bad by a black-Japanese woman.

    BTW you’ve got a reference in there to “Evander Tyson” in there where you must have meant Holyfield.

  6. Here she is:

    Divorce in 5, 4, 3, …

    • Agree: NickG
  7. Barnard says:

    Serena is near the end of her career even with her PED use. Women’s tennis has no consistent young players ready to step into the void she is leaving behind to generate public interest. Trying to present her as a victim is going to kill men’s interest in watching women’s matches. To the extent they were interested in the first place.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @NickG
  8. Glaivester says: • Website

    I think you mean Evander Holyfield.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  9. Φ says: • Website

    You accidentally typed “Evander Tyson” instead of “Evander Holyfield”.

  10. midtown says:

    Uh oh, I feel another Trump-fueled divorce coming on …

  11. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t Williams getting a little old for professional sports?

    She was on the cover of some women’s magazines proclaiming that her difficult childbirth ( she claims) was due to racism and black pregnancy and childbirth ordinary discomfort are racist.
    Actually you racist POS child birth discomfort is due to sexism. Only women have babies.

    Fat ugly black woman angry about slim attractive White woman. How typical n word. She was probably on a mix of steroids and testosterone when she had her tantrum. Every medical and nursing book has a chapter about the rages caused by steroids.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  12. JimB says:

    Whatever happened to Evonne Goolagong, Chris Evert, and Margaret Court? No they were classy. I’m tired of muscle bound Hermaphrodites who grunt like the are shitting a brick every time they hit a tennis ball.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  13. The truly amazing thing about this article is how reality — the reality of whether Serena actually violated real rules, and was given the penalties those infractions require — has absolutely nothing to do with with whether the author supported Serena’s behavior. All that counts is how Serena and the author felt about it.

    Serena was obviously lying about whether she was cheating, as the rules spell out. Her own coach said that not only was he (illegally) coaching by hand signalling at the time, but that they do it all the time.

    How could she bring herself to be outraged that she was accused of the infraction she knew she was always engaged in? How could she express that her character was being unjustly maligned? How could she do so on behalf of her daughter, no less? What would her daughter possibly think of her brazen lying?

    And how might none of this mean anything to the author of the article?

    What kind of world is this?

  14. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Her bulging muscles are a result of long time steroids. Her temper tantrum was the result of a mix of testosterone and steroids. Every medical and nursing textbook has a chapter about the rages and emotional hormone problems caused by steroids.

    Men who want to turn into women have a terrible time dealing with the roller coaster emotions and mood swings caused by the estrogen injections. I assume the testosterone injections into women athletes has the same effect. Combine testosterone with steroids and that’s the result.

    Retire lady, you’re getting old . Be happy with your and your husband’s millions and find something else to do.
    Hire a grant writer and pay yourself 500k a year as executive director of some black female grievance non profit.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
  15. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    What is the origin of the surname “Landy”?

  16. Few thoughts:

    1. So the feminist ideal is rude obnoxious rule-breaking women? What could go wrong…

    2. indeed her life at risk to have a baby that now depends on her Isn’t the kid’s Father a multi-billionaire or is Ms Williams being retconned as a single Ma for more diversity points? She really doesn’t have to play anymore, if you know her life is at risk…what does it say about Ms Landy that she insists she keep putting her black body on the line to allow Ms Landy generate Quartz clicks.

    3.

    ” You owe me an apology,” she cried to Ramos.”

    Now that is just sexist! reducing a black powerful woman to crying, she’d have written “screamed” for a man. Get a woker writer Quartz!

    Am I doing this right?

    • LOL: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @RVBlake
    , @Lowe
  17. Seriously, average people have always rooted for super successful people whom they identify with — Serena, Beyonce, Tom Brady, etc. — to be even more successful in the feeling that somehow that would rub off on them and make their lives better. But, at least, we used to realize that kind of thinking is stupid.

    You’re a smart and sensible guy, Steve, so this kind of ‘thinking’ seems obviously stupid to you. But hero worship is quintessentially human; it’s one of the basic forms of idolatry we use to rebel against God. Many people have always thought this way, and they will continue to do so until the last trumpet sounds.

  18. Anonymous[497] • Disclaimer says:

    the reality of whether Serena actually violated real rules, and was given the penalties those infractions require — has absolutely nothing to do with with whether the author supported Serena’s behavior.

    Somehow the question became not, “Did she violate the rules in this match?,” but “Are men in other matches allowed to violate the rules?” Since the matches are intra-sex, this has nothing to do with male vs. female. But still, rather than say that women should be allowed to violate the rules just like men, if women are going to complain they should demand that men also be strictly held to the rules. But again, that is a completely different competition not involving women, so it seems busybodyish to even care.

    I suspect that men may be given more slack simply because they are men and more variable and wild and violent and if you really enforced the rules perfectly strictly it would hold up the game too much. I think that on the whole men in tennis think the officiating knob is set to about the right level, and women in tennis think that their officiating knob is set to about the right level for how they like the game to proceed, in a more orderly fashion. Comparing the two tours is meaningless and silly.

    • Replies: @sabril
    , @MarkinLA
  19. e says:

    Think of it: the pussy hats came out to protest Trump’s inauguration and the silly arguments have continued since. A woman afraid of growing old and losing her title to a younger woman plays the woman’s card. On top of it, she’s black and she has the body and even the face of a man so the pussy hat wearers have to go crazy defending her: black, woman, masculine woman, PED -taker. What else is a good prog to do.

    POTUS has made them crazy. Even over a tennis match, all they could think of was Trump.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  20. My husband isn’t a fan of Serena Williams, and while his cheering for her opponents never much fazed me before, these days it fills me with unspeakable rage.

    I doubt this, and have no interest on whatever she has to say about Serena Williams or the tennis match in question.

    However, if true, this is serious. I obviously don’t know the author. No idea of who she is. But what’s going on there? If this woman, according to herself, does get filled with ”unspeakable rage” because her husband roots for whoever is playing against Williams (and she did not feel such wrath until recently), I think it’s reason for concern. Or is all this not for real? If it isn’t, why did she write it as if it were? Or am I just being naive? (I hope so)

    • Replies: @sabril
    , @RVBlake
  21. Lot says:

    NFL ratings down yet again, 8 to 13 percent depending on the measure from 2017. Trump is gloating on twitter.

    Looks like overall decline since Karpernick started kneeling in 2016 will be about 25%.

    Can’t wait to see how popular he among the other players as NFL salaries start falling.

    The pain for the owners and players is somewhat delayed unfortunately because Fox and Disney especially paid big money for TV rights on long term contracts.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @anonymous
  22. @Glaivester

    I think you mean Evander Holyfield.

    I’m sure there’s one Evander Tyson in an American college or high school somewhere.

  23. The whole thing would be funny except I’m sure there are at least a couple million frustrated Hillary voters out there like Ms. Landy thinking Serena Williams is right on. I’m sure that lack of judgment spills right over into other areas of their lives.

  24. newrouter says:

    “plus the maddening corollary that a woman must behave like a lady in those moments when she realizes how unjust it all is. ”

    The stiff upper lip has been converted into a “safe place” from the mean world.

  25. L Woods says:
    @candid_observer

    Quite surprising given the usual female regard for objective facts and reason.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @TomSchmidt
  26. This outburst and the media response defending Mr. Williams is actually good in “the worse the better” sense. People who see the bad behavoir can believe their lying eyes or they can believe that this episode of ‘roid rage was just an example of standing up for woman’s rights against evil white male officials. I’m actually surprised she hasn’t pulled out the “das raciss” card against the lily white Portuguese umpire daring to enforce rules against her; maybe it’s coming.
    Compare the punishment given to Sharapova for an honest mistake of taking a newly banned substance: one year on the sidelines, effectively ending her career as contender. This dude throws this outrageous temper tantrum in the final set of a major championship match and all she gets is a $17000 fine; that’s pocket lint to Williams. The difference of course is that Sharapova is European and beautiful and Williams is decidedly not.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTQXlf9AJzlSxOqyGvxewkWj0OeLuOr1LlfZHuexNeY4zAMzMEcQ

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  27. My God….the poz and insanity levels are both at DEFCON 1 in Mrs. Hardy’s screed.

    This is a grown woman who is apparently ready to throw her marriage away over her spouse’s perfectly reasonable decision to root for Ms. Osaka.

    I can’t understand why more people like my husband aren’t outside right now erecting statues of Williams, let alone able to drum up enough empathy to just cheer her on in a tennis match.

    Holy God…this woman sounds like she is ready to marry Steroida herself….

    It is as if Whiskey challenged this woman to write a column proving his points and she eagerly complied.

    I pray Mrs. Hardy’s husband has deleted his Facebook, plans to lawyer up tomorrow, and hit the gym. He will need it.

  28. Rosie says:

    You see, “sexism” is the very existence of younger, hotter women. Something must be done about sexism.

    No, it isn’t. This kerfuffle has nothing whatsoever to do with women. All this talk of sexism is just a distraction from Serena’s poor sportswomanship.

    Now, if indeed it is true that women are held to higher standards, that is a legitimate matter of concern, but the solution is not to lower standards for women, but to raise them for men. Either way, Serena was out of line.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. Wow, what a marriage.

    To American bachelors: Dump this garbage in the ocean and turn your back on it. Go to the most distant part of the world where you can find a white woman you want to schtup and marry. You will enjoy years of televised events with a wife who agrees with you.

    Of course, if you find one of those wonderful exceptions right here at home, hold onto her.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  30. A lot of progressive women who’ve been raised to believe women can do everything better than men seem to be having hubby trouble these days. A day or so ago you ran tepid gibbers of a gal with a stinger out for Tucker Carlson and moping about having dumped her husband – or more likely, been dumped by him. Now we have this Sheena with the Serena Williams community property civil war. Could it be that all these Super Girls’ spouses are tiring of the chest-beating and braying, presumption of non-existent powers and misinterpretation of learned cliche as inspired original thought?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  31. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    The bugman cometh

  32. Marat says:

    The author sees zero personal responsibility issues on Serena’s part. Just like Serena.

  33. @candid_observer

    Well said. The rulers rule by scapegoating judgment itself. There’s no brakes on this train.

  34. If you watched this thing happen yesterday, you could tell it was going to shoot off and become every kind of political, social commentary imaginable. It was like staring into a bubble chamber.

  35. Question: Where do you think Serena Williams stadium will be located? Will they rename or tear down something in Queens? Will it be located next to Arthur Ashe Stadium, so as to make a matching pair?

  36. Da Wei says:

    Oh, Heather Landy, the real double fault is with poor ousted Serena. There are times when propriety dictates we should go gentle into that good night, despite the sexist and momist judges of the world.

    Back in 1943 Philip Wylie criticized American culture for its excessive adulation of motherhood, which he termed “momism.” Now, it seems, “momism” — though not a term you use — could be defined as contempt for mothers. Times, or at least terms, have changed, maybe for convenience. Momism adds to sexism to strengthen condemnation of the tennis judge. Excuses.

    Heather, where is your concern for Naomi Osaka, deprived of the crowd’s joy and tearful in victory beside a narcissistic whiner? However essentially uplifting it is to defeat one’s hero, it is always painful, and Ms. Osaka understandably felt conflicting joy and sadness. Does she get her moment? After knocking out his idol, everybody’s hero, Joe Louis, a young Rocky Marciano wept and everybody understood. Joe remained stoic, always a hero. Serena, kinda like John McEnroe, is of another age.

    Mrs. Landy, two more things strike me: first, it is necessary in some way to overcome those on whose shoulders we have stood; second, moms can sometimes be a real pain in the ass. Think of Oedipus.

    suffering sexism AND momism

    • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
  37. Anonymous[663] • Disclaimer says:

    How many of you guys thing Drudge Report has been compromised, cucked, etc.?

  38. @Marat

    I went over to Deadspin to see what kind of hot take they had on the Serena debacle.

    One glance at their headline obviated any need to read the article itself: ‘Sensitive Ref Pushes Serena to Melt Down and Ruins Naomi Osaka’s US Open Victory’.

    Note the grammar: it’s the ref who’s responsible both for ‘pushing’ Serena into a meltdown, and for ‘ruining’ Naomi’s big day.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @CCZ
  39. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Now, if indeed it is true that women are held to higher standards, that is a legitimate matter of concern, but the solution is not to lower standards for women, but to raise them for men.

    What about different standards, as opposed to “higher” or “lower” standards?

    It is more unbecoming of a woman to behave in such an aggressively hostile and physically confrontational way. Such behavior is more expected and tolerated when it’s by men. It’s not a matter of “higher” or “lower”, better or worse. There are different standards. Are you opposed to this?

    Men also have to win 3 out of 5 sets to win matches, while women only have to win 2 out of 3.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Rosie
  40. Pericles says:

    after French Open officials banned the catsuit Nike developed for her to help her guard against blood clots.)

    Also known as a corset. Lol, a massive one, one presumes. Titanic. A rubber dry dock.

    • LOL: Forbes
  41. The most painful part of watching that was her oscillating between the ‘ I’m a strong tank girl’ shtick and the ‘I’m just a poor girl’ routine. Using dominating physical body language such as gesticulating, yelling, and getting in the umpires face and then blubbering about how she was a of victim of sexism, racism, etc. It was a text book case of her trying to push every button she could and it just fell flat. Look out everyone, I’m an angry black women followed by the, you’re just doing this to me because … Puke.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  42. @candid_observer

    What’s even more distressing is the fact that the media global consciousness grokked and assimilated this woke take so quickly that there were at least a dozen identical articles in every mainstream venue.

    I have kids too and I’d like them to learn that rules, outcomes and accountability matter. And that you shouldn’t freak out and smash your racquet if one call doesn’t go your way. Not that I would ever suggest that this dreadful person was a role model.

    It’s no surprise her kid is with the founder of Reddit… they can be the first couple of sniveling online virtue signallers.

  43. @Nigerian Nationalist

    is Ms Williams being retconned as a single Ma for more diversity points?

    Right. Serena is a well-organized, competent, well-spoken, bourgeois individual who has married very well.

    Her bratty behavior on court is like John McEnroe’s, although she’s a lot older than he was by this point.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @AnonAnon
  44. Tim says:

    This was classic American-Black-Behavior. I’ve dealt with it a lot myself. Serena realized that she was going to get beat, so she made it all about herself anyway.

    This was straight-up ghetto-fabulous behavior. If it were in any other setting, say, a restaurant or a store, Serena would have beaten first the ref, then the judges into pulp. She was “fixin’” to, you could see it. The only thing that held her back was the environment.

    She knew defeat was coming, so she made a scene–I see it a lot.

    Because she only cares about who gets the most attention, for her this was actually a win.

    Because Osaka was completely familiar with this type of ghetto fab behavior, she did what Asians always do, she carried her books to the next class and pretended she didn’t even notice the black girl in the hallway slapping the shit out of the nice-white-lady.

    Asian know blacks through and through. And they hate them. But they never let it show. They just lower their heads and remember to make enough money to stay as far away from them as they possible can.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Anonymous
  45. @Anonymous

    Drudge has never been a true conservative more of a guy who sensationalizes things as they come to better draw attention to himself. Previously seemed that he promoted stories that put the left in an unfavorable light as much as the other way. Now he seems like to focus on anti Trump and pro ghey stories. It was reported some time ago that the never married fifty something “Druge” (wonder what his real name is, he’s managed to keep that secret all these years) purchased a home next to his for his long time male companion.

    https://www.wonkette.com/matt-drudge-gives-male-roommate-tradtional-heterosexual-gift-of-real-estate

    from wonkette(wtf?):
    Matt Drudge Gives Male Roommate Traditional Heterosexual Gift Of Real Estate

    Similarly, the Daily Mail has in the last year or so gone from honestly reporting pro Conservative stories when they arise to a near exclusive focus on being a part of the screeching anti-Trump mob.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @JMcG
  46. Pericles says:

    O/T: Sweden Democrats underperform in Swedish election compared to predictions, 17.6% vs predicted 19%+. An odd result, since it’s normally the other way around; we shall see if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The Moderates (center-right) beat them with 19.8%, while the Social Democrats remain quite a bit larger at 28.4%. I had personally expected SD to get more than 20%, quite possibly substantially more.

    However, the main expected political outcome remains. Overall, the Left bloc got 40.6%, while the Right bloc got 40.3%. The preliminary allocation is 144 seats for the Left, 143 for the Right and 62 for SD. Some votes still remain to be counted and may actually make a difference.

    Any conventional government formed will thus be exceptionally weak. Joining up with SD would on the other hand comfortably push either bloc into a solid majority. Crossing the aisle is also possible, but has historically been a form of kamikaze for the party involved. For the time being, the Left government and PM Löfven will remain, but this may swiftly change with a no-confidence vote.

    Last time, SD was kept out by massive virtue signalling and political surrender by the Right. It seems unclear whether this can be done once more without aggravating the voters. Expect horse trading.

    (NB: The previous Right government were the ones who invited the migrant invasion, so a Left government is not necessarily the worst outcome.)

  47. Pericles says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Note the grammar: it’s the ref who’s responsible both for ‘pushing’ Serena into a meltdown, and for ‘ruining’ Naomi’s big day.

    It’s only proper since the ref is a man and the women are just poor victims without agency.

  48. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Right. Serena is a well-organized, competent, well-spoken, bourgeois individual who has married very well.

    Her bratty behavior on court is like John McEnroe’s, although she’s a lot older than he was by this point.

    I gather childbirth and looking after an infant can be quite stressful.

    Sad that Serena is now being lionised for embarrassing herself though.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  49. Anon 2 says:

    Honestly, sports today have become part of the vast entertainment industry.
    They have about as much significance as pop music, meaning not much.
    People must fill the time between birth and death with
    something, especially now that joining the pirates or embarking
    on a boating holiday down the local river no longer hold much appeal.
    This is no longer 1880s when a two-week trip down the Thames would
    provide a temporary relief from living a life of quiet desperation (as
    Jerome Jerome assured us in his immortal “3 Men in a Boat (to say nothing
    of the dog)” – still IMHO the funniest novel in the English language.

    20 years ago did anyone care how many Grand Slam titles Anna
    Kournikova won? Mainly what mattered was that she was cute and
    had a nice smile, bringing us a measure of metaphysical relief from the
    cold indifference of the Universe. The same with Naomi Osaka. At least
    she’s cute and polite. The fact she’s a good player is an extra bonus.

    We should all be mindful of the warning in Postman’s book “Amusing
    Ourselves to Death.”

    • Replies: @Yodahay
    , @Brutusale
  50. @Steve in Greensboro

    This reminds us all of Helen Reddy’s anthem “I Am Woman, Hear Me Whine.”

    She also sang “Ain’t No Way to Treat a Lady”.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  51. dwb says:

    I have to say, I am taken aback by how Serena Williams’s obvious meltdown is being seen for anything other than what it actually was.

    Jesus.

    She got beaten – and pretty badly. Straight sets.

    So, faced with the fact that someone just slightly more than half her age is perhaps taking her place on the stage, she reacted really poorly.

    Since the other player is “black” in the same sense that President Obama was, she could hardly say it was “race.” And the other player was obviously also a woman, so what’s left? She a mother.

    And these idiots went for it.

    Seriously? Sexism? In a match between two women?

    If this isn’t peak stupidity, I do not know what is.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  52. @Lot

    Declining ratings have less to do with Kaepernick and Trump and a lot to do with concussions, bloated interminable broadcasts filled with ads, and the constant drumbeat of scandals – wife beating, drugs, DUIs, “deflategate” on and on. Penalties are called with no rhyme or reason, the game doesn’t have any integrity. Lefties began abandoning the NFL for soccer and NBA years ago, Trump is driving the low IQ fans away, and the great middle just isn’t having much fun.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Lot
    , @JMcG
  53. El Dato says:

    “Adolf Hitler, even in defeat, notches a victory for vegetarianism”.

  54. I’ve read Landy’s article a few times now and it still doesn’t make any sense.

    It’s just ideas mashed together to give shape to the author’s nuclear-powered outrage.

    Which makes me think it’s more about her than about the society she lives in.

    If it wasn’t her husband, it would have been the bus driver, or a co-worker, or some bloke trying to enjoy a quiet cigarette. Something no matter how insignificant was going to trigger her ‘unspeakable rage’, and someone was going to cop it.

    • Replies: @sabril
  55. @Anonymous

    Men also have to win 3 out of 5 sets to win matches, while women only have to win 2 out of 3.

    And as my wife pointed out to me today during the Men’s award ceremony, the woman who wins the US Open gets paid the same amount of prize money as the man — for playing less.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @dan smith
  56. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Many people have always thought this way, and they will continue to do so until the last trumpet sounds.

    Could you ask God to get the heck on with it?

  57. @Peter Akuleyev

    Declining ratings have less to do with Kaepernick and Trump and a lot to do with concussions, bloated interminable broadcasts filled with ads, and the constant drumbeat of scandals – wife beating, drugs, DUIs, “deflategate” on and on.

    There’s a long term problem that middle class parents are considerably less interested in having their son play HS football then a generation back. Any sports popularity depends to some extent on boys actually playing it.

    But there has been an incredible drop off in just the last couple of years, and that is 95% politics. Not really “Kaepernick”, but all the players following him and the shockingly tone deaf, anti-American, BLM friendly response from the teams and the league.

    I’ll say again Roger Goodell’s response to Trump and this crisis was some of the most spectacularly bad business management i have seen. (I could have written–did write–a much statement in response to Trump that touched all the bases and put the NFL on the side of the fans.) And yet the league apparently awarded his incompetence with a vote of confidence and an extension.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  58. Cortes says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    I’m reminded of the joke about the javelin thrower

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Whitbread

    who, on going to the doctor over concerns arising from the sprouting of chest hair, is asked to unbutton her blouse.

    When the first two top buttons are undone, the Mato Grosso leaps into view and the doc raises a hand and says

    “I see. And does that extend far?”

    “Right down to my balls, doctor.”

    Try the veal.

  59. AnonAnon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    bratty behavior

    “Bratty”, lol. I was only a kid when McEnroe played but did he also threaten to stuff a ball down a linesman’s throat when he got a foul, like Serena did in 2009 to a tiny older Asian lineswoman?

  60. @AnotherDad

    Sure, but:

    ‘concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.’

  61. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods

    LOL! Nothing like a little sardonic humor! Meanwhile I’m confident Serena could go on a roid-fuelled mass murder rampage at this point and escape prosecution. Her racial-sisterhood cheering section in the MSM would have no trouble justifying it and blaming the white-male patriarchy for the whole thing.

  62. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Can’t wait to see how popular he among the other players as NFL salaries start falling.

    That’s a very good point, but it will take many years to play out.

  63. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    ‘I can’t understand why more people like my husband aren’t outside right now erecting statues of Williams’

    I actually had a girlfriend like this once. Couldn’t dump her fast enough.

  64. @SnakeEyes

    I feel most sorry for the unnamed husband.

    Well they apparently have a child which complicates things. But he certainly needs to take charge of this situation pronto.

    He needs to sit her ass down, express his displeasure and tell her her behavior is unacceptable. Review his–legitimate–disgust at poor, unsportsmanlike behavior, and the solipsistic nature of her thinking. Then tell her, point blank that she must admit she was wrong and that her behavior was unacceptable and will not be repeated. And tell her any repeat performance will not be tolerated.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @AndrewR
    , @Fred Boynton
  65. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You will enjoy years of televised events with a wife who agrees with you.

    Or, IDK, you might find something better to do with your time than watch TV.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  66. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    I don’t follow Drudge–never have–but you’re right as rain about the Daily Mail. No more red-meat stories, just endless ‘representin’ about Evil White Males and their Victims of Colour and Gender. So they’re now about as useless as the rest of the MSM, which is sad.

    • Replies: @Lot
  67. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @JimB

    Are you kidding? This is a golden age for lovely lady tennis players. Here’s Genie Bouchard:

    And CoCo Vandeweghe (her grandmother was a Miss America and her grandfather was an NBA player):

  68. @AnotherDad

    Roger Goodell’s response to Trump and this crisis was some of the most spectacularly bad business management i have seen.

    No argument there. The guy has mismanaged every major NFL crisis for the last 10 years.

    The NFL is still dreaming it can attract millions of upper middle class liberal women fans, for some reason. Long term they would be better off sticking to the NASCAR demographic and building loyalty. Problem is the owners’ social circles are the sort of people who despise white lower class football fans.

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  69. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    She also ended up primarily known for a series of hit songs about women who had become completely detached from reality: “Delta Dawn” “Angie Baby” “Ruby Red Dress” etc.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  70. Mr. Blank says:

    I have an important announcement: Guys, the Mandela Effect is real.

    I’m not kidding. Last night I went to sleep in a world where there was this famous female tennis player named Margaret Court. But I woke up this morning in a world where she never existed; indeed, in this world, it appears that no woman ever won a tennis match — even against another woman — until Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs.

    After that, it seems no woman ever won a tennis match until Venus and Serena Williams turned pro, and evidently that era has now ended after Serena lost a match to a middle-age blond German man named Naomi Osaka — from the articles I’ve read, it appears he’s some kind of resentful, sarcastic laid-off factory worker who’s also a proud alt-right neo-Nazi, and thus worthy only of being turned into dog food.

    Amazing. In the world I remember, there were lots of other female tennis champs, and Naomi Osaka was a young half-black, half-Japanese girl.

    I know! Crazy, right? But the memories are all so vivid!

    I should probably just check myself into a loony bin for the rest of my days. There’s no hope for someone with my delusions.

  71. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Both are sweet but CoCo may haunt my dreams tonight

  72. @Whiskey

    Again more proof on how the stupid and petty considerations of educated White women make them the natural and eternal enemy of beta White males.

    Life immitates Whiskey. Have to say i basically agree on this one–”stupid and petty” educated white woman thinking definitely on full display here. I’d throw in “self-indulgent”, “selfish” , “rude” and a few other adjectives.

    What i’d argue is that white women are not the eternal enemy of white men–even provider “beta” men.

    The deal is in the old order a guy was awarded some sort of “titular alpha” status in his own household simply by geting married and being the provider.

    The issue now–the modern problem–is the one-two punch:
    1) Women no longer feel their husband is “the provider” as they have their own job–often because of or funded by he bureaucratic/regulatory super-state.
    2) Women have been propagandized to see themselves as another aggrieved minority fighting against their “oppression”. (Has there ever been any group of people in human history as privileged as the modern American woman?)

    The 1st bullet is just there. And, of course, our “elites” work overtime trying to import yet more cheap labor and debase the value of productive American labor which is done almost entirely by men. But most men still make more than their women and can make the point their contribution is not a given. It is a huge lifestyle enhancement that their wives are *not entitled to*, but rather must be earned by proper wifely behavior.

    And the 2nd point, men just need to call bullshit and put an end to full stop. You are not “oppressed”. You are a woman and can enjoy being a women and the normal joys and trials that go with that. But if you feel you are “fighting the man” and are in opposition to my maleness, my role as husband and leader of this family–we’re done. In fact, we are not starting. This is a conversation men must have before marriage. But even in marriage, have the conversation and end the behavior.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  73. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Tim

    Osaka was impressive during the post-match press conference. She’s a Serena fan, but she compartmentalized that.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  74. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @San Fernando Curt

    20 years ago my friends warned me about reading books like “The Super Woman”.

  75. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Would have been even better if, during Serena’s performance, she had said firmly: “Hey. Hey. This is Tennis Court.”

  76. Lot says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Those are long term trends that don’t explain the 2016-2018 ratings crash. It is definitely the disrespect for the anthem.

    1. A survey of 3000 people were asked, and that was the #1 reason.

    2. The TV ratings decline is worst in rural areas, smallest in large metros.

    I find NFL games fun to watch once a year while waiting for the ladies to cook thanksgiving turkey. Can’t imagine watching multiple games a week or paying $400 for a couple tickets and parking.

    The drone cameras and virtual lines and High-Definition make viewing games on TV so much better than it used to be too.

  77. Lot says:
    @anonymous

    Best English language newspaper in the world:

    https://www.express.co.uk/

  78. @candid_observer

    Beyond the obvious logical male, emotional female stereotype reinforcement in her piece, the part that struck me was this:

    She was playing the mom card! And why shouldn’t she? Motherhood is an inextricable part of her identity now, not just as a person but as a tennis player. Williams, it has been noted, would be only the fourth mother to win a grand slam in the Open era. The US tournament, we are told, coincided with her baby’s first birthday. (How many fathers have won grand-slam championships? When are Roger Federer’s children’s birthdays? We don’t know, and more than that, we don’t care.)

    Essentially she’s rooting for Serena as a mom. Not as parent. She explicitly doesn’t give a shit about Rodger Federer being a dad, doesn’t care.

    She believes that being a mom is different, special, more important–a deeper more intense role than fatherhood. In fact she thinks is so special that it’s her link to and generates her–highly emotional–rooting interest in Serena.

    And yet, if a traditionalist like me says to her, “Yeah, unlike men, the most important thing women do is bear, nurse and take care of babies.” … all sorts of feminist hysteria would prattle forth.

    I.e. motherhood is the most wonderful, important, special, but trying and exhausting, experience, unmatched by anything men do … and women should not be seen or treated differently than men because of mere motherhood.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Marat
  79. Yodahay says:
    @Anon 2

    “The same with Naomi Osaka. At least she’s cute and polite. The fact she’s a good player is an extra bonus.”

    She’s far from “cute,” and she relates to people like someone suffering from asperger’s.
    There’s something wrong with that girl.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  80. If it were in any other setting, say, a restaurant or a store, Serena would have beaten first the ref, then the judges into pulp. She was “fixin’” to, you could see it. The only thing that held her back was the environment.

    If you watch the video you can intuit that she is a hair away from pulling him down from his high chair and giving him a good going over. Now that would have been entertaining – like hockey fights in the pre helmet era.


    Senor Ramos is lucky to have escaped the incident un-maimed

    Interestingly this picture was found illustrating an article titled:

    In her anger, in defeat, Serena Williams starts an overdue conversation

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @RVBlake
  81. Jason Liu says:

    Also, your verminous media has jumped on Naomi Osaka’s half-black ancestry to “redefine” Japaneseness.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/world/asia/japan-naomi-osaka-us-open.html

    Thanks, assholes. This is how Asians end up hating the west.

  82. Lol Steve did you really whim my comment about you swallowing every story down like its 100% true?

    Goodness I struck a nerve.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. @Dave Pinsen

    The Vandeweghes are West LA royalty.

  84. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yodahay

    Well, she’s half-cute.

  85. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    There are different standards. Are you opposed to this?

    “Different standards” sounds like a euphemism for double standards, and yes I am opposed to that.

  86. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Serena Williams starts an overdue conversation

    How very true. We are all indebted to her because until now, we’d never even thought of her many issues. Black women been puttin’ up with so much for so long, and never made a peep ’bout any of it ’til now. But times a-changin’ at last.

  87. CCZ says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Same language from Sally Jenkins at WaPo:

    Chair umpire Carlos Ramos managed to rob not one but two players in the women’s U.S. Open final. Nobody has ever seen anything like it: An umpire so wrecked a big occasion that both players, Naomi Osaka and Serena Williams alike, wound up distraught with tears streaming down their faces during the trophy presentation and an incensed crowd screamed boos at the court. Ramos took what began as a minor infraction and turned it into one of the nastiest and most emotional controversies in the history of tennis, all because he couldn’t take a woman speaking sharply to him.

    Ramos made himself the chief player in the women’s final. He marred Osaka’s first Grand Slam title and one of Williams’s last bids for all-time greatness. Over what? A tone of voice.

    Below him, Williams vented, “You stole a point from me. You’re a thief.” There was absolutely nothing worthy of penalizing in the statement. It was pure vapor release. She said it in a tone of wrath, but it was compressed and controlled.

    Ramos had rescued his ego and, in the act, taken something from Williams and Osaka that they can never get back.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tennis/at-us-open-power-of-serena-williams-and-naomi-osaka-is-overshadowed-by-an-umpires-power-play/2018/09/08/edbf46c8-b3b4-11e8-a20b-5f4f84429666_story.html?utm_term=.1a65e969a833

  88. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    Life immitates Whiskey. Have to say i basically agree on this one–”stupid and petty” educated white woman thinking definitely on full display here. I’d throw in “self-indulgent”, “selfish” , “rude” and a few other adjectives.

    Your error consists in thinking this woman represents women in general. Why would you assume that? Do men who write for the NYT represent men? To ask the question is to answer it. If you find yourself agreeing with Whiskey, stop and think before you type.

    The deal is in the old order a guy was awarded some sort of “titular alpha” status in his own household simply by geting married and being the provider.

    Ah the good ole’ days!

    It is a huge lifestyle enhancement that their wives are *not entitled to*, but rather must be earned by proper wifely behavior.

    Let’s all reduce women to the status of comfort women in their own homes. How romantic.

    productive American labor which is done almost entirely by men.

    Because somehow natural selection shaped women to be good mothers but otherwise incapable of producing economic value. You should know better, AD.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @AnotherDad
  89. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    He needs to sit her ass down, express his displeasure and tell her her behavior is unacceptable. Review his–legitimate–disgust at poor, unsportsmanlike behavior, and the solipsistic nature of her thinking. Then tell her, point blank that she must admit she was wrong and that her behavior was unacceptable and will not be repeated. And tell her any repeat performance will not be tolerated.

    AD, when you spoke your marriage vows, did you have your fingers crossed? Or perhaps you didn’t say the traditional vows but rather your own substitute modern liberal bullish!t about happiness and fulfillment? I’m pretty sure throwing a temper tantrum, however irrational and petty, is not grounds for divorce.

  90. @Barnard

    Interest in women’s tennis has more to do with microskifts than anything else for men.

  91. @CCZ

    Ramos took what began as a minor infraction and turned it into one of the nastiest and most emotional controversies in the history of tennis, all because he couldn’t take a woman speaking sharply to him.

    Honestly, in what other sport is a competitor allowed to stop play in order to lecture and berate one of the officials, up to and including outright personal insults and threats?

    In popular team sports, you might get an initial penalty (a 15-yard penalty or a technical foul), but then if you, ahem, persist, you’re quickly ejected.

    In an individual sport such as golf I can’t imagine a competitor just ripping on an official to his face in this way.

    Why should tennis referees be expected to serve as passive targets for players’ ‘vapor release’ in the first place?

    One of the key themes of the pro-Serena pouting has been that men are allowed to get away with so much more when it comes to their interactions with the refs, e.g. they regularly scream and curse at the refs, beat them with the twisted frames of their smashed rackets (which they received no penalty for smashing), box their ears and poke their eyes, throw cauldrons of boiling oil on them, etc., etc. — and the men are never punished for these ‘protests’, while the women are.

    Well, the BBC (give them a point for this) actually totted up the penalties given to the men’s and women’s participants in the 2018 US Open:

    Williams, a 23-time Grand Slam champion, was one of 10 women punished for code violations at this year’s US Open, while 26 men were fined.

    Most of the fines issued were for racquet violations – 14 men and five women.

    Three men and three women were penalised for audible obscenity, five men were fined for time delays, while four men and one woman were penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct.

    Williams was one of only two women punished for on-court coaching, alongside Slovakia’s Dominika Cibulkova, while no men were penalised for this offence.

    The former world number one was also the only player punished for verbal abuse, which landed her a $10,000 (£7,732) fine – the largest issued at this year’s tournament.

    It appears that the men were much more heavily penalized, except for Serena’s completely over-the-top tantrum.

  92. sabril says:
    @Anonymous

    In my experience, women are given MORE leeway and slack than men for any kind of misbehavior.

    Show me an example of a male tennis player who accused the chair umpire of being a thief (or something similar) without consequence and I will re-think it. But I doubt it’s happened.

  93. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    But even in marriage, have the conversation and end the behavior.

    And if that fails…

  94. sabril says:
    @adreadline

    I think Steve is pretty close to the truth on this one. The husband roots against Serena Williams because she is an ugly woman — physically unattractive; past her prime; muscular; and with an aggressive personality to boot. It’s frankly offensive to see her in a miniskirt.

    The wife senses this and subconsciously identifies with Williams because she too is past her prime and has an aggressive personality. So that when the husband roots against Williams, she subsconsciously perceives it as a slam on her sexual desirability. That’s the source of her unspeakable rage.

    Of course this is all speculation but it makes sense. As they say, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @ic1000
  95. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Unfortunately, for many of us, the person we end up with is different from the person we married. Sometimes wildly different, due to intentional misrepresentation. Unless you live with her for ten years first, you’re taking a gamble. You sound a tad bitter btw.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  96. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It appears that the men were much more heavily penalized, except for Serena’s completely over-the-top tantrum.

    Hate Facts, and from the BBC, too. What’s the world coming to?

  97. Face it, toots. Your husband is obviously very racist! Get thee to a divorce attorney! In an unrelated question, who makes more money, you or the racist?

  98. sabril says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    I think it must be pretty traumatic for most women to hit the wall and lose their sexual desirability. If a woman is not obese and half-way decent looking, then when she is in her late teens and 20s, men (and society in general) are tripping over themselves to do nice things for her. To get used to that level of deference and then have it stripped away from you over the course of a few years must be extremely painful.

    I think that’s the source of her “unspeakable rage.” And in fact “unspeakable” is a pretty good word for it since it’s unlikely she’s even fully aware what she’s so upset about.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  99. sabril says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Yeah, I made a similar point in another post. The reality is that — generally speaking — women are punished much less severely for misbehavior than men in just about every context. So I have a hard time believing that tennis is a special situation where the usual practices are flipped.

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  100. @Buzz Mohawk

    When’s the last time you heard a woman express concern or even curiosity as to why men die so much younger than women? Even non-feminist women with brothers and sons don’t seem to give much of a sheet.

  101. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Doesn’t the behavior of Serena Williams typify the entitled, bullying culture of her entire country?

    I remember when “USA!” was proud to field an Olympic basketball team without NBA players — until they lost. Then it was time to change the standards to ensure victory. (I’ve since walked even farther away, but didn’t an NBA-laden “Dream Team” come up short, too, losing out to a better style of team play and offenses that could do more than travel-n-dunk?) If “we” don’t win, then something or someone must have unfairly kept “us” from “our” rightful place in the world.

    You guys love that Serena Williams is black and female, but what’s worse is the widespread endorsement of her behavior throughout Exceptional Nation.

    Or were your fellow white men shushing their women who booed during the awards ceremony? You’ll have to tell me because I wouldn’t ingest this Circus Bread if you paid me.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  102. Now that even Trans-women can physically have babies, the Mom-card isn’t really worth much any more.

  103. RVBlake says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that anyone who demands an apology is most likely not due one.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  104. @sabril

    Are you insinuating that women tend to take things personally?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  105. RVBlake says:
    @adreadline

    That’s gotta be one helluva dinner table.

  106. @Anon

    Didn’t serena have an incident in which the USTA drug testing team showed up and she locked herself inside a secure space inside in her home and refused to come out? little things like that…

  107. JMcG says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Piers Morgan is running the Daily Mail now from what I understand. I haven’t read it nearly as much as I used to. I’d say he was installed to help ramp down Brexit.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  108. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherDad

    How many women are capable of apologizing for and changing their solipsistic tantrums? Not a rhetorical question.

    • Replies: @dwb
  109. ic1000 says:
    @Rosie

    > “Different standards” [between the sexes] sounds like a euphemism for double standards, and yes I am opposed to that.

    Rosie, you should check out the ways that lacrosse is played by men and by women.

    Here are two highlight compilations, plucked from top YouTube search results. Men (start at the 25″ mark) and Women.

    Skill sets for the athletes are largely the same — stick handling, pass precision, field sense, etc. Now contrast the extent of physical contact (integral to the men’s game, prohibited for women), top speed on the field, and ball velocity during passing and shooting.

    In person, the differences are even starker, and they are acknowledged by everyone in the game. The median DIII male would be DI Player of the Year, while the top DI female would warm the bench on a men’s DIII team.

    There’s Different Standards as a euphemism for Double Standards! Does that mean that women’s lax is an unworthy sport? What Must Be Done?

    Girls’ parents are already concerned about injuries, especially concussions. If Ms. Heather Landy et al were to succeed in enforcing a single set of rules, most would compel their daughters to pick another sport.

  110. RVBlake says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Perhaps not the “overdue conversation” which the article-writer references.

  111. ic1000 says:
    @sabril

    > The wife senses this and subconsciously identifies with Williams because she too is past her prime and has an aggressive personality…

    Ouch! Let’s hope Ms. Heather Landry doubleplusgoodthinkingly ignores iSteve. Because if she were to read this, she’d be coming after you, filled with unspeakable rage.

  112. JMcG says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Three quarters of my male acquaintances have stopped watching as a direct result of the kneeling bulls**t.
    I stopped around 15 years ago for the reasons you listed. A lot of guys don’t watch the games anymore, they just follow it to keep up with their fantasy football leagues.
    The NFL can’t die fast enough.

  113. @Tyrion 2

    Childbirth: Yep stressful.
    Looking after an infant: Stressful, but only for the nanny.

  114. sayless says:
    @Anonymous

    Drudge Report seems tamer, more conventional to me in the last several months. Too many links to the WaPo and the NY Times.

  115. @JMcG

    The NFL can’t die fast enough

    Amen.

    I’ve even reduced my time watching college football. Ten years ago I’d watch CFB from noon to 3 AM.

    I’ll still throw a game on the backyard projector, but that’s meant as an excuse to BBQ and have friends over.

    I use the extra time to exercise, plan option trades, and shitpost here on iSteve!

  116. Thirdtwin says:

    Remind me again who’s getting investigated for nothing and who’s not being nvestigated for anything, and then tell me about the womyn shtrugglz.

  117. @Da Wei

    Even McEnroe and Serena are not of the same age. McEnroe went off on umpires a lot, usually got into it with Jimmy Connors, and even more so with himself, but my recollection is he usually behaved with dignity at the ceremony itself. Certainly, he was respectful both when he lost the 1980 Wimbledon to Bjorn Borg after almost coming back, and when winning the 1980 U.S. Open and Wimbledon against Borg. When Lendl dethroned him at the 1985 open I also don’t recall him losing his mind for any prolonged period.

    None of this is to say McEnroe is a model of sportsmanship or more like Ken Rosewall than Serena, but he was (d)evolutionary steps back in time from her nonsense. Back then his poor behavior was called out for what it was and was never excused by the commentators.

    (It also might help that he did not roid up at least during his prime, wore appropriate clothing, and played elegant tennis with a real racquet unaided by harder courts, different balls, titanium frames with 110 sq in heads originally designed to allow Palm Beach grandmothers to continue playing, etc.)

  118. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tim

    She knew defeat was coming, so she made a scene–I see it a lot.

    In what kind of situations do you see it?

  119. Brutusale says:
    @Anon

    What do you mean? She’s about the same age Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were when their careers really took off because of their increased dedication to exercise and nutrition!

  120. Rosie says:

    Girls’ parents are already concerned about injuries, especially concussions. If Ms. Heather Landy et al were to succeed in enforcing a single set of rules, most would compel their daughters to pick another sport.

    I don’t have a problem with double standards that make sense, but being a good sport seems pretty gender-neutral to me. None of my sons would ever behave as Serena did, because I don’t put up with that.

    • Agree: ic1000
  121. Rosie says:
    @sabril

    I think it must be pretty traumatic for most women to hit the wall and lose their sexual desirability.

    It’s really not that traumatic unless it’s the only thing you had going for you. I don’t think that’s the issue with Serena. She is bitter about getting older and weaker. She missed her opportunity to retire gracefully.

  122. Rosie says:
    @anonymous

    Unless you live with her for ten years first, you’re taking a gamble.

    T’was ever thus.

  123. Trevor H. says:
    @RVBlake

    God knows Mike Cernovich bears out the truth of that one.

  124. Brutusale says:
    @Anon 2

    I was in Las Vegas for the last good Comdex in 1999. The sports book at Luxor had a cubicle setup in one of the adjacent areas for individuals to watch sports and bet, and even though there was a Monday Night Football game on, I noticed that the majority of monitors were broadcasting an Anna Kournikova match. And why not?

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  125. Brutusale says:
    @CCZ

    I’m wondering how Jenkins’ father, the terminally unPC Dan Jenkins, feels about his daughter’s lunacy.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  126. Rosie says:

    You sound a tad bitter btw.

    I’m not so much bitter as I am horrified at the idea of threatening divorce over a nothingburger like a disagreement about a sporting event. Like Steve Perry said:

    You shoulda been gone
    Knowing how I made you feel
    And I shoulda been gone
    After all your words of steel…
    Oh Sherrie…

  127. NK says:
    @CCZ

    “She said it in a tone of wrath, but it was compressed and controlled” – Have we ever seen a more pluperfect example of cognitive dissonance? Will the WaPo now gush that a certain powerful man’s pithy Tweets are, although often bombastic, nevertheless “compressed and controlled”?

  128. Lowe says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Alexis Ohanian is not a billionaire. He is a millionaire at most. He co-founded Reddit, which is not a very valuable business when compared with Facebook, Netflix, etc.

    Not to disagree with other posters. Serena definitely did marry well. Ohanian is tall, good looking, smart, and has a real career, with a lot of money to show for it. But he is no titan of business.

  129. pyrrhus says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    Serena Williams, the biggest cheat in modern sports, with an apparent lifetime exemption from drug testing, thinks none of the rules should apply to her….What a surprise.

  130. pyrrhus says:

    But who watches women’s sports anyway? They are boring as hell, though tennis is probably better than some of the others…

  131. Cortes says:

    Good of Heather to wash the marital Landry in public.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathers

  132. Pericles says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    And CoCo Vandeweghe (her grandmother was a Miss America and her grandfather was an NBA player)

    Wow, she doesn’t look black.

  133. @JMcG

    No, the editor, the great and good Paul Dacre (Guardianistas cannot abide a successful non-leftie) has just retired. He’s been replaced by a pro-Remain hack of whom I know little, Geordie Greig.

    Dacre was a star. When Cameron asked the paper’s owner to sack him, he doubled down on pro-Brexit coverage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/01/david-cameron-asked-daily-mail-owner-to-sack-paul-dacre-brexit-bbc-newsnight

    Dacre was told by a “Westminster source” that Cameron had sought to persuade Rothermere – who inherited French nationality, along with the newspaper, from his father for tax reasons – to sack him, making the editor “incandescent” and all the more determined to push for Brexit.

    It was only in July, after the referendum, that Rothermere personally told his editor of the pressure from Cameron.

    A spokesman for Rothermere refused to deny the story. The spokesman said: “Over the years, Lord Rothermere has been leant on by more than one prime minister to remove Associated Newspapers’ editors but, as he told Lord Justice Leveson on oath, he does not interfere with the editorial policies of his papers.”

    But all young journalists will have been through Brit schooling, and Brit universities. A young Telegraph or Mail hackette will be pretty indistinguishable politically from a Guardianista.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  134. Seriously, average people have always rooted for super successful people whom they identify with — Serena, Beyonce, Tom Brady, etc. — to be even more successful in the feeling that somehow that would rub off on them and make their lives better. But, at least, we used to realize that kind of thinking is stupid.

    It’s okay when kids do it, but adults have lost all sense of reason in this respect. It brings to mind scene from “A Bronx Tale.” The kid idolized Mickey Mantle and Sonny responds, “Mickey Mantle? If your father can’t pay his rent, see if Mickey Mantle will pay for it. Mickey Mantle doesn’t care about you, so why should you care about him?”

  135. My husband isn’t a fan of Serena Williams, and while his cheering for her opponents never much fazed me before, these days it fills me with unspeakable rage.

    Except, I’m going to speak it right now.

  136. Chase says:

    Living in a matriarchal society wouldn’t be as exhausting if we at least straightforwardly admitted that’s what we are doing. It’s living in a woman’s world that pretends it’s a man’s world that’s dispiriting.

  137. Alfa158 says:

    I actually sympathize with Heather here, because I understand her distress even better than she does herself.
    Her husband is either:
    A. A troll who is deliberately upsetting her by pretending that he cares about two Africans playing sportsball and rooting against her favorite, or even worse;
    B. She is married to the kind of betacuck who would watch such an event and actually gives a rat’s ass about it.
    Either way, it’s time for her to dump the chump.

  138. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    But if you feel you are “fighting the man” and are in opposition to my maleness, my role as husband and leader of this family–we’re done.

    Why is it so important to confront and change this mindset?

  139. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    women should not be seen or treated differently than men because of mere motherhood.

    What is wrong with seeing or treating people differently because of motherhood?

  140. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Lol Steve did you really whim my comment about you swallowing every story down like its 100% true?

    What aspects of the story aren’t true?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  141. Speaking of Bobby Riggs, did Billie Jean King ever throw this sort of tantrum? Or is Serena following in the hallowed footsteps of Andy Roddick and Nasty Nastase?

  142. Derb popularized the blackety-blackety-black meme. We should come up with something similar to describe how some women think every damn thing is about them.

  143. @e

    I’d agree except that they had been crazy long before the 2016 election. It’s just gotten worse, but it was getting worse before that since… I don’t know, for the last century at least, it possibly even started earlier.

  144. dwb says:
    @AndrewR

    LoL.

    This comment is the throw down the gantlet of this thread.

  145. @Rosie

    The deal is in the old order a guy was awarded some sort of “titular alpha” status in his own household simply by geting married and being the provider.

    Ah the good ole’ days!

    There was basic respect accorded to a man who took on this responsibility as “breadwinner”–provider for his children. This is the bedrock of having a civilization rather than something like the “family” model in sub-Saharan Africa. And that respect helped stabilize the marriage. (Yes the husband wasn’t the best male the wife could sleep with or be impregnated by, but he was “alpha”by virtue of doing his job, brining home the bacon and providing for the kids.)

    Yes, in this aspect they were “the good old days”.

    It is a huge lifestyle enhancement that their wives are *not entitled to*, but rather must be earned by proper wifely behavior.

    Let’s all reduce women to the status of comfort women in their own homes. How romantic.

    This seems to be the crux of it–some modern women get all butt-hurt by the idea that *men* are entitled to anything in marriage. But the old order was a quid-pro-quo, balance. Both men and women are giving up something–different things. And providing something–different things. And the result is both of them are better off–long term–

    “Comfort women”–that’s your attitude toward a husband desiring a pleasant wifely behavior in return for him redirecting his paycheck to the family? Sad.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Rosie
  146. @Rosie

    Liar. I have to laugh at this BS where women pretend to have some kind of “principles.”
    “Oh yeah, I am opposed to them damn double standards!”
    Muh principles!

  147. @Rosie

    productive American labor which is done almost entirely by men.

    Because somehow natural selection shaped women to be good mothers but otherwise incapable of producing economic value. You should know better, AD.

    You want a “materially” in there?–”materially productive”? I’m a brass tacks kind of guy. I’m not a “what would we do without the lawyers?”–or bureaucrats or bankers or HR … kind of guy.

    I’m well aware there are women out across the frutied plain doing all sorts of work, much of it social useful. What i’m saying is that that which we actually depend on for our comfortable modern life–your house, (and the lumber, fasteners, plumbing, wiring, roofing to build it), your car, gasoline, the road you drive on, natural gas going to furnace, electricity in the wire, the Internet running, your refrigerator, stove, clean water in the tap, the toilet flushing … is all the product of the efforts of men–invention, engineering and production.

    It’s not that women absolutely can not do those things. With the knowledge and technology previous generations of men have created, women can. And at the margins there are women who are somewhat interested and at the far far margins women who could actually even do the creative part. But women by and large don’t. Women generally prefer to work in comfort where they can talk to other women.

    If all the women did not show up for work tomorrow, we’d be much less productive, guys having to answer the phone; we’d have to hustle some guys over to the schools to look after the kids; folks would have to radically ratchet down eating out. But the only true crisis would be in the hospitals. We’d lose a lot of sick people from not having enough nurses.

    If men did not show up for work … by the end of the day civilzation would be over.

    On the other hand … men are very bad at getting pregnant, bearing and nursing children. Without which humanity does not survive.

    In other words, men and women are complementary. Different but complementary critical skills.

    That society no longer acknowledges these obvious truths–worse, actually claims they are lies and punishes people for pointing them out–that’s a huge part of our problem.

    Denial of reality is bad way to organize anything. It leads to defeat and death.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Reg Cæsar
  148. I can’t understand why more people like my husband aren’t outside right now erecting statues of Williams…

    …on the pedestals of all the statues of white men we’ve torn down recently.

  149. @anonymous

    She also ended up primarily known for a series of hit songs about women who had become completely detached from reality…

    Give her a break. She’s from the Antipodes.

  150. Marat says:
    @AnotherDad

    The culmination of a century of feminism is not a pretty sight. People have their suspicions about the effects of single motherhood on boys. Maybe this episode gives us a look at what single motherhood (divorce) does to girls.

  151. @AnotherDad

    This seems to be the crux of it–some modern women get all butt-hurt by the idea that *men* are entitled to anything in marriage. But the old order was a quid-pro-quo, balance. Both men and women are giving up something–different things. And providing something–different things. And the result is both of them are better off–long term–

    They fixate on Ephesians 5:22-4, and never get to 5:25-33. Like Buckley and history, they stand athwart epistolary and cry, “Stop!”

    What’s the difference between a Christian girl and a feminist?

    One will happily feed you, but refuse to blow you. The other is willing to blow you, but refuses to feed you.

    (Sorry, but I couldn’t come up with a more delicate way to phrase that.)

  152. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Comfort women”–that’s your attitude toward a husband desiring a pleasant wifely behavior in return for him redirecting his paycheck to the family? Sad.

    And people say feminists equate marriage with prostitution!

    If you threaten your wife with divorce for being cranky, then you tell her you consider her a provisional, at-will domestic servant and whore whom you do not love, do not cherish, and would not hesitate to replace. If you can’t see the moral bankruptcy of your attitude, then J don’t know what to say to you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnotherDad
  153. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’m well aware there are women out across the frutied plain doing all sorts of work, much of it social useful.

    Fair enough.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  154. @AnotherDad

    If all the women did not show up for work tomorrow, we’d be much less productive, guys having to answer the phone; we’d have to hustle some guys over to the schools to look after the kid…

    Or hustle the children home to be looked after by those women.

    But the only true crisis would be in the hospitals. We’d lose a lot of sick people from not having enough nurses.

    Scott Adams missed the Cornell application deadline and went to Hartwick instead. But that turned out to be a blessing, because Hartwick’s nursing program produced a highly advantageous female-male ration for the school. Cornell’s was wretched. In his words, he’d graduate a virgin.

    Hartwick was also half as far from home, and would produce a national champion varsity team in his junior year. If Cornell had a national champion in the 1970s, what would it be in? Chess? Tractor pulls?

    Oh, yeah… mountain climbing!

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  155. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    A double standard is the application of different sets of principles for similar situations.

    Whether something is a double standard or not depends on whether there are different standards or not.

    If there are different standards for men and women, then the situations are not similar, and thus there is no double standard.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  156. @Rosie

    If you threaten your wife with divorce for being cranky…

    Women initiate over two-thirds of divorce actions. But then, when he does it, it’s his fault; when she does it, it’s his fault. So much for agency.

    What’s the ratio specifically for “cruelty” and other emotional grounds?

    Daniel Amneus made the interesting claim that when divorce law was slanted in men’s favor, there were very few divorces. Other factors, mostly social, stopped them. Once it shifted to women’s, divorces became much more common.

    I’ve never looked for studies on this. Anybody know of them?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
    , @Seneca
  157. @Rosie

    I’m pretty sure throwing a temper tantrum, however irrational and petty, is not grounds for divorce.

    Holy cow.

    My suggested intervention is precisely how–I think–the guy can avoid divorce. By letting his brat of a wife know when she’s completely out of line.

    Neither AnotherMom nor I have never been–in my opinion–this “out of line”, but if there’s something the other person is doing that is bugging us we air that out, figure out a fix–where we set boundaries, where we compromise. Marriage.

    This gal was out of line just throwing a hissy fit–and getting angry–over his rooting interest. But way out-of-line in angrily demanding he sign on to some sort of Serena is poor oppressed women, cause she had a kid nonsense–making it an anti-man (and at the deep level the whole prog, feminist, anti-family, anti-civilization). This is Grand Canyon wide resentment and entitlement she’s demanding he accede to. To me this is a “hold on here a minute …” moment in their marriage.

    BTW, women are entitled not to share their husbands rooting interests. A man should not be the least bit upset his bride is uninterested in his fandom. And if he is angry about that, she should lay down the law: “I married you not the Eagles!” Or “Our marriage is about you and me and the children we create together, not some black thugs running around hitting each other.” Special bonus points if she walks toward the bedroom, throws a coy look over her shoulder and says “let’s expand our family the old fashioned way”. That’s called a quality wife.

  158. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Women initiate over two-thirds of divorce actions. But then, when he does it, it’s his fault; when she does it, it’s his fault. So much for agency.

    Right. We’ll, it is a simple fact that men are more likely to become drug addicts, go to jail, gamble away the family’s savings, etc. The fact that a woman files for divorce doesn’t mean she initiated the divorce. It just means she is the one who wants to make it official.

  159. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Daniel Amneus made the interesting claim that when divorce law was slanted in men’s favor, there were very few divorces.

    I suspect the reason is that men don’t want to go to court to divide the marital property, even if they have constructively abandoned their wife and are on their third mistress.

    I don’t claim to have any proof if this. I’m just going from personal observations.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  160. @dwb

    If this isn’t peak stupidity, I do not know what is. [ my bold, my link ]

    (Required per our legal department.)

  161. @Rosie

    If you threaten your wife with divorce for being cranky …

    Diminishing returns. And Reg Caesar has already pointed out who actually initiates most divorces. (I.e. women whose husbands don’t make them haaaaappy.)

    But for the record, she wasn’t “being cranky”. She was being a first class bitch, throwing a we-poor-oppressed-women *political* hissy over a sporting event–demanding absolute genuflection to Serena’s motherhood, essentially therefore demanding absolute royal-me entitlement/genuflection in their marriage to her motherhood.

    And as i’ve pointed out, in another comment, a pretty darn rich sense of entitlement for motherhood given that these feminist throw another hissy if traditionalists like me say “Yes, motherhood is the special salient role of women,, as opposed to provision and protection from men.”

    But Rosie, seriously we all get it: Men are there to donate quality sperm for white babies and to provide a paycheck. If they expect–much less demand–wifely behavior from their wives, they are brutish cavemen.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  162. @jesse helms think-alike

    LOL Senator Helms (T.A.), at “This dude”!

    You sound like a Chinaman telling a story.

  163. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    But Rosie, seriously we all get it: Men are there to donate quality sperm for white babies and to provide a paycheck. If they expect–much less demand–wifely behavior from their wives, they are brutish cavemen.

    Your fundamental problem is that you are a degenerate liberal who doesn’t understand he is a degenerate liberal. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mean that as a personal insult so much as challenge. Liberalism isso pervasive that it takes a conscious effort to root it out.

    Now, here’s what I mean by calling you a degenerate liberal. You believe that the main purpose of marriage is your own pleasure and comfort. It’s not. The purpose of marriage is to create and nurture new life as God commands. If I spend all day running around the park with the children, I’m going to be tired in the evening, and I’m going to be cranky, maybe even unpleasant, heaven forfend. I ask no more indulgence than I happily,and regularly offer in return when Mr. Rosie has a bad day.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Fred Boynton
  164. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I pray Mrs. Hardy’s husband has deleted his Facebook, plans to lawyer up tomorrow, and hit the gym. He will need it.

    I’m giving this advice out (for free!) again to those who may need it: I hope Mrs. Hardy’s husband has at least one very trustworthy friend, as in:

    Mrs. Hardy: “Hey, where’s the X-5? It’s not in the driveway.”
    Soon-to-be ex-Mr. Hardy: “Oh, it didn’t seem like we really needed it. I gave it to Jason.”
    Soon-to-be Miss Hardy: “Whaaaaa??!”
    Soon-to-be-ex-Mr. Hardy: “Yeah, he really could use it; he’s a bit down-and-out. Also, I signed over the house to him for tax reasons. I know you don’t keep up with that stuff….”

    He should have started this process ONE HOUR after reading his wife’s article in whichever rag Mr. Sailer has excerpted her from.

    Again, I’m not a lawyer, so Squid Pro Quo, Clarice.

  165. NickG says:

    My husband isn’t a fan of Serena Williams, and while his cheering for her opponents never much fazed me before, these days it fills me with unspeakable rage.

    If she feels free to vent like this about her husband in an article, it’s odds on that the marriage isn’t going to last.

  166. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    Well in order to establish that the women are treated differently than the men (and not just take Serena’s word for it) you have to show video of coaching from the stands and the officials doing nothing about it for men. In fact you would have to have a pretty good statistical analysis not just one anecdote from an early match.

    Have you done that?

  167. @anonymous

    If you’ve read anything here you know there is more than one USA.

    I remember when “USA!” was proud to field an Olympic basketball team without NBA players — until they lost.

    We decided to field professional athletes because other nations had been cheating by essentially doing this for years, subsidizing and training teams of players whose professional job was to win for their country.

    You’re right about how our NBA players “travel-n-dunk” though. Good call.

    You guys love that Serena Williams is black and female…

    No. The America replying to you here is sick of her.

    …what’s worse is the widespread endorsement of her behavior throughout Exceptional Nation.

    That comes from the media here, which do not belong to us. They are owned and controlled by people who are American only by law and not at heart.

    women who booed during the awards ceremony

    Those were New Yorkers. As I said, there is more than one USA.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  168. NickG says:
    @Barnard

    Trying to present her as a victim is going to kill men’s interest in watching women’s matches. To the extent they were interested in the first place.

    Chris Evert back in the day, maybe; Serena Williams, not a chance.

    • Agree: jim jones
  169. JMcG says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I am happy to stand corrected. Thanks very much for the informative reply.

  170. @Rosie

    I don’t claim to have any proof if this. I’m just going from personal observations.

    Maybe you need a better class of friends!

  171. @Buzz Mohawk

    Those were New Yorkers. As I said, there is more than one USA.

    So are Donald Trump and (by upbringing) Scott Adams. There is more than one New York.

    Trump’s experience is the same as FDR’s– bomb in your native half of the state, but carry the other handily. 2016 and 1936– or vice versa. You tell me.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  172. There has to be an “ism” that is responsible.

    How about Patrick Murgatroid apologizing, especially to Serena, but also to the U.S. Open
    for not even trying to disguise his coaching, by rubbing his nose, or whatever?

    But Serena’s two previous serious outbursts at the U.S. Open show that she is either the GOAT of entitled pampered professional sports players, or more likely, she is showing her true culture’s traits of lack of impulse control and inability to see the possible outcome of her tantrum.

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  173. @JMcG

    A lot of my buddies too have stopped watching it. I cut cable tv entirely a few years ago and streaming a game online with a radio broadcast is enough of a fix for me.

    Where nfl is really screwed though is that younger guys from what i see dont care about it at all. My teenage nephews and their buddies only watch it in passing on sundays. When i was their age, my buddies and i devoured nfl football. The games are too long w too many commercials for the younger crowd.

    Weve hit peak nfl and kaps antics are taking it down faster but its going down.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  174. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    I’m pretty sure throwing a temper tantrum, however irrational and petty, is not grounds for divorce.

    There seems to be some disagreement over what qualifies as valid grounds for divorce. That’s why we need a good rule of thumb.

  175. @Reg Cæsar

    You’re right. I meant New York City.

  176. @AnotherDad

    After he does those things, he needs to stop watching women’s tennis as well, particularly “women” like Serena Williams. Seriously, wtf? What kind of guy spends their Saturday doing something like that.

  177. snorlax says:
    @Rosie

    God also commands you to honor and obey your husband.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Rosie
  178. @Reg Cæsar

    I apologize to the fine residents of New York — City and otherwise — who read or comment here. Reg is right. There is more than one New York, in both the state and the city.

  179. @Brutusale

    Amazing how much of this nonsense boils down to anxiety about not measuring up to dear old dad. See Pinch/Punch et. al. Nepotism is a bitch, even for the recipients. Just another mismatch.

  180. @Brutusale

    From what I understand, tennis is the number two (after football/soccer) gambled on sport in the world. Though I don’t think much of the action comes from Las Vegas, so the infatuation you saw in Las Vegas might have just been for Anna K rather than the tennis match itself.

  181. @Peter Akuleyev

    The NFL is still dreaming it can attract millions of upper middle class liberal women fans, for some reason. Long term they would be better off sticking to the NASCAR demographic and building loyalty.

    Too late for that, NASCAR has been going the NFL route for years now chasing the UMC liberal demo and doing what they can to discourage their long-time fans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  182. @sabril

    The only double standard is that once given the warning, most men will shut up and get on with play because they know that once the warning is given the next violation will result in a one-point penalty and the penalty after that is a game penalty. Women like Serena think they are entitled to chimp-out without any consequence and if they get penalized they call it a double standard and white knights and other women will always back them up.

    • Replies: @sabril
  183. @Buck Turgidson

    There is also way too much yakking by the announcers, most of it crap. That said, Tony Romo is pretty good. You can tell he’d still like to be out there.

  184. @Rosie

    If I spend all day running around the park with the children

    Your life sounds like one long dream vacation, what do you have to be tired, cranky and unpleasant about?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  185. @LiveFreeOrDie

    How about Patrick Murgatroid apologizing, especially to Serena, but also to the U.S. Open
    for not even trying to disguise his coaching, by rubbing his nose, or whatever?

    When she’s winning, there’s not much point to his coaching her; but because she’s not just losing but falling apart, he’s trying to help her out – that’s his job.

    she is showing her true culture’s traits of lack of impulse control and inability to see the possible outcome of her tantrum.

    Is her true culture being female or being black because those traits you listed could apply to both.

  186. @Reg Cæsar

    Cornell won the 1970 NCAA Division 1 hockey championship with Ken Dryden in net, finishing the season an undefeated 29-0. Hartwick has yet to win a NCAA Division 1 hockey championship with any record.

  187. @Dave Pinsen

    On top of the family connections you stated, CoCo’s mom Tauna was an Olympic swimmer, and her uncle Kiki (who now spells the family name as VanDeWeghe) had an even longer NBA career than his dad did (13 seasons as opposed to 8). Kiki’s and Tauna’s two siblings were also high-level athletes.

  188. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    Your failure to comment on the rest of AnotherDad’s points means one thing: those points are irrefutable, and you are forced — grudgingly, angrily, resentfully — to agree with them.

    Women can only live in, and thrive in, the safe spaces men have created for them.

    And don’t you ever forget it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
  189. Rosie says:
    @snorlax

    God also commands you to honor and obey your husband.

    True, but alas, I’m a sinful human being, and I rely on His Grace to cover my defaults, none of which have been terribly serious thus far in my marriage, and probably never will be.

  190. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Your failure to comment on the rest of AnotherDad’s points means one thing: those points are irrefutable, and you are forced — grudgingly, angrily, resentfully — to agree with them.

    That is a terribly uncharitable remark, Bel Riose, not to mention totally unjustified by anything I have ever said in this thread or elsewhere.

  191. Rosie says:
    @Fred Boynton

    Your life sounds like one long dream vacation, what do you have to be tired, cranky and unpleasant about?

    Lololol! Are you out of your damned mind? You try and keep three children under five safe in the park and then tell me just how easy peasy lemon squeezy it is!

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  192. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s an impressive mouthful of pilpul, right there.

  193. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    Women can only live in, and thrive in, safe spaces men have created for them.

    Indeed. Tell that to Whiskey. He is laboring under the impression that women have an interest in wrecking civilization, despite the fact that outsell being clearly depends on it.

  194. Part of the “Obama Effect” is that the following President, Champion, actor, Oscar winner, etc. who takes over from the former black place holder is now automatically cast as being disrespectful to black people. The winning was fun but losing is afterwards is almost not worth it. And they thought it would last forever.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  195. Seneca says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Retired trial lawyer here with several friends who are pretty famous divorce lawyers (that area of law never appealed to me).

    Several of them have told me that there is a very long standing but not much talked about legal tradition of allowing the woman to file for divorce first. Apparently it was thought to be chivalrous to do so.

    Not sure I completely understand the logic of it. I assume that at one time by requiring
    the woman to file first it suggested to the public that the man was at fault. So the man fell on his sword in the arena of public opinion so the woman might preserve her chances to remarry.

    They told me this tradition still exists (even if not as strong as it use to be) and could skew the statistics.

  196. JimB says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    This is a golden age for lovely lady tennis players.

    Huh.

    I tuned out of the game quite a while back. Now that Serena is losing, maybe its safe to tune back in.

  197. @Fred Boynton

    Hartwick hasn’t won an NCAA ice hockey championship in any division. It’s a Division III member, and doesn’t currently sponsor the sport for either sex (at least not at varsity level).

    It did win a Division I title in Scott Adams’ junior year… but in men’s soccer, not ice hockey. Although a D-III school, it had been allowed to offer scholarships in men’s soccer and also women’s water polo, and the scholarship status of those two sports was grandfathered in when the NCAA fully prohibited that practice for D-III members in 2004.

    (A brief aside: Women’s water polo has only one NCAA championship open to members of all three divisions—unlike men’s soccer, in which each division has its own national championship. In that sport, Division I and Division II schools compete under the same scholarship limits.)

    Hartwick continued to play D-I men’s soccer, and also play as a surrogate D-I/D-II member in women’s water polo, until the 2017–18 school year, after which it dropped women’s water polo entirely and downgraded men’s soccer to D-III.

  198. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’ve been known to wear a Clayton Kershaw shirt while reading the New Testament. Does it still count? ;)

  199. Cornell won the 1970 NCAA Division 1 hockey championship with Ken Dryden in net, finishing the season an undefeated 29-0. Hartwick has yet to win a NCAA Division 1 hockey championship with any record.

    Kinda hard to do without a hockey team.

    Interestingly, Cornell won the Ivy League in the same year and sport Hartwick finally topped the Jesuits at St Louis and San Francisco and won the NCAA.

    Cornell did win the national championship, for whatever it was worth, in 1934.

  200. @Rosie

    Right on, lady. We have three youngins and a fourth on the way. Our advice is switch from man-to-Man to the Zone defense. (Hat tip to Borgman and Scott of “Baby Blues”)

  201. @Fred Boynton

    I should have mentioned that the reason why Hartwick had been allowed to offer scholarships in men’s soccer was because it had played at the top level of that sport before the NCAA adopted its current three-division setup. The men’s soccer program moved to the College Division (precursor to today’s Divisions II and III) when that division launched its own national championship in 1972. However, when the NCAA split the College Division into the current Divisions II and III the following year, Hartwick returned to Division I men’s soccer (the former University Division). It continued as a D-I men’s soccer team until dropping that sport to D-III.

  202. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Honestly, in what other sport is a competitor allowed to stop play in order to lecture and berate one of the officials, up to and including outright personal insults and threats?

    Baseball.

    Managers can come out and argue with the ump for awhile. They may eventually get thrown out of the game, but much of the time they don’t.

    My vague impression from watching football on TV is that coaches are allowed to argue with refs as long as they frame it as if they are just asking a question about what happened, but they aren’t allowed to argue like baseball managers.

  203. @Steve Sailer

    Managers can come out and argue with the ump for awhile. They may eventually get thrown out of the game, but much of the time they don’t.

    Sure, managers argue with the umps, but do they get three shots at it, and then expect the ump to apologize to them?

    And a baseball player would never get away with, say:

    1. delaying too long getting into the batter’s box and getting a strike called on him (technical rules violation with minor penalty);

    2. then, after striking out anyway, stopping play to smash his bat on home plate and shattering it; and then

    3. coming back out of the dugout during the next at bat, again interrupting play, in order to berate the home plate ump for several minutes.

    I realize there’s some difference because tennis is an individual sport, but still.

  204. sabril says:
    @Fred Boynton

    In my experience, women have more difficulty than men reining in their emotions. Although it could just be that men have a greater tendency to act violently and therefore the men who give in to their emotions tend to end up in jail or dead.

    I vaguely recall reading that men who “transition” and take female sex hormones report feeling more emotional.

  205. Serena’s catsuit never made much sense to me. I’m no doctor, but it seems to me that vigorous physical exertion would be the least likely occasion for a blood clot to occur. Back in the early ’90′s after pro cyclists discovered the blood-boosting drug EPO, several riders died in their sleep due to heart attacks. Eventually, some of them started getting up in the middle of the night to exercise in order to get their sluggish blood flowing. Kind of like how you periodically start your car’s engine if it’s not being driven for an extended period of time. To be honest, when i first saw her catsuit, I thought it was for covering up the cellulite she’d developed during pregnancy.

  206. Forbes says:
    @Prof. Woland

    A demanding and angry woman insulting your very humanity, who then morphs into the damsel in distress with accompanying waterworks of tears to trigger your empathetic, if not sympathetic response.

    Spelled M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N. Emphasis on the man…

  207. Trevor H. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    1. He said competitor, not manager.

    2. Just you wait until we finally get our first black woman baseball manager. It’s way past time anyway.

  208. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fred Boynton

    The NFL is still dreaming it can attract millions of upper middle class liberal women fans, for some reason. Long term they would be better off sticking to the NASCAR demographic and building loyalty.

    Too late for that, NASCAR has been going the NFL route for years now chasing the UMC liberal demo and doing what they can to discourage their long-time fans.

    The real rednecks are abandoning NASCAR for the lower circle track open wheel and stock car/modified sanctioning bodies and have been for a while.

  209. Bliss says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It appears that the men were much more heavily penalized,

    You conveniently overlooked the following in your own post:

    Williams was one of only two women punished for on-court coaching, alongside Slovakia’s Dominika Cibulkova, while no men were penalised for this offence.

    On-court coaching is pretty common and rarely gets punished, and Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach.

    For the foreign umpire to do what he did to an American sports icon at her home turf, in a Grand Slam final, was definitely, maliciously unfair. It was petty and cruel. Most everyone whose mind has not been poisoned by racial hatred is taking Serena’s side. Including the WTA.

  210. @Anonymous

    Naomi Osaka BREAKING DOWN BORDERS FOR JAPAN is 100% media masturbation/gas lighting.

  211. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    “I suspect that men may be given more slack simply because they are men and more variable.”

    But that’s the thing here, men aren’t given more slack. I believe one figure for a recent US Open Men vs. Women put men at over 80 called violations with around 20 something for females. The difference here is that men don’t usually get infractions after the second one because they are smart enough to stop with their behavior. Williams acted like a damn fool with her ranting and raving after two previous violations; that was stupid. Men don’t usually do that. She had plenty of opportunities to stop, but she kept going with it until she got busted. Because she’s black, fellow racists like Trevor Noah felt an obligation to lie about what happened – cover it up: “what you just obviously saw, you did not…muh sexism.”

  212. Anon[309] • Disclaimer says:

    “Declining ratings have less to do with Kaepernick and Trump and a lot to do with concussions, bloated interminable broadcasts filled with ads, and the constant drumbeat of scandals – wife beating, drugs, DUIs, “deflategate” on and on.”

    Which rule is it that SJWs always lie? Anyway, yeah sure buddy. Straight white men stopped watching because concussions and deflategate. And even with all those ads, the NFL’s ratings had been soaring up until the moment Kapernick started his little kneeling stunt. Let’s not let facts get in the way, though.

    “Penalties are called with no rhyme or reason, the game doesn’t have any integrity.”

    Excuses, excuses. First, it was the election in 2016, and then something else in 2017, and now penalties. Whatever. “Penalties” didn’t seem to factor into the equation while the NFL’s ratings were increasing up until the very moment Kapernick started his kneeling trend.

    “Lefties began abandoning the NFL for soccer and NBA years ago,”

    Lol, please. Most people who watch sports are either straight white male conservatives, Hispanic, or black men – not your typical Panera Bread shopper. Thus, the outrage from viewers when ESPN went politically correct and the failure of left wing sports channels on Youtube. Further, soccer’s ratings suck and the demographics for the NBA are overwhelmingly black. The NBA’s per game viewership is still much below the NFL. Additionally, overseas Soccer fans could hardly be described as left wing.

    “Trump is driving the low IQ fans away, and the great middle just isn’t having much fun.”

    Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the NFL is driving ratings away themselves? Besides, what great middle doesn’t consider themselves patriotic? It would seem obvious that the kinds of middle people who might watch the NFL would also get upset over obvious racial insults aimed at them and their country. And didn’t you guys claim Trump had nothing to do with ratings declines back in 2016? In fact, from your own comment: “Declining ratings have less to do with Kaepernick and Trump.” These socipaths lie so much they end up contradicting themselves within just a few sentences!!!! Hm, which rule was it again….

  213. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    “On-court coaching is pretty common and rarely gets punished, and Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach.”

    Do you really believe this guy would have shot her a hand signal if he didn’t really think she were looking? Where do you people come from? Besides, for Williams to properly interpret that hand signal, she would have had to memorize a variety of them before the match, meaning there was already an intention to cheat on her part. She was called on it because it was blatantly obvious. It’s against the rules, she knew it was against the rules, and there was the intention to cheat. I’m fine with the call. There was nothing wrong with it. In any case, the rules state that it is still a violation even if she didn’t see it.

    “For the foreign umpire to do what he did to an American sports icon at her home turf, in a Grand Slam final, was definitely, maliciously unfair.”

    It was no such thing. Serena Williams could have conducted herself with grace the way Osaka did, but she didn’t. No one forced her to break her racket and no one forced her to go on a long tirade hurling slurs. She had every opportunity to stop, knowing what the next penalty could be, but she didn’t. Don’t blame the umpire. She insinuated the guy was a sexist in front of millions of people and, if you look at the tape, he was being very polite to her in response to her awful behavior.

    Besides, she would have lost anyway. The obvious explanation for her behavior is that she knew she was being dominated and decided to obfuscate by throwing a tantrum with the expectation that she could always claim later – as her fans have already done – that she didn’t really lose but was cheated.

    “Most everyone whose mind has not been poisoned by racial hatred is taking Serena’s side.”

    Sure, buddy. Her opponent was half black but all Serena’s detractors are racist.

    “Including the WTA.”

    She was fined $17,000, so apparently not everyone agrees. The comments on the ESPN video from both Japanese and Americans are also overwhelmingly negative. Maybe it’s not the world that’s wrong here. Maybe it’s just you.

    “You conveniently overlooked the following in your own post:”

    Ironic. Men are penalized much more overall than women, but yet you ignored that little factoid. Besides, the penalty you referenced resulted merely in a warning. Did Osaka break her racket or go on an insane tirade?

    “For the foreign umpire”

    Oh, great. We can use the word “foreign” now that it benefits the left. But why can’t I point out that a foreign turd like Trevor Noah has no place mouthing off about Trump and 9/11? Was that POS even in my country when that happened? Why do foreigners like Johnathan Oliver and that other cuck on “Comedy” Central get to tell my countrymen who to vote for, what laws should be passed, and why our gun rights should be revoked? … but this foreign umpire guy calling out a tennis player for acting like a fool, yeah…that’s a bridge too far.

    I wonder if anyone has asked himself why it’s okay for the left to attack the umpire in this game for calling out Serena Williams but not okay for Trump to call out NFL players for attacking the audience. It’s almost like there is an intentional double standard here.

  214. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:

    “I apologize to the fine residents of New York — City and otherwise — who read or comment here. Reg is right. There is more than one New York, in both the state and the city.”

    Just as there is more than one USA. Perhaps we should make it official? Most of what Sailer brings up here could be fixed with a partition. Afterwards, they’d be a period of population transfers, trade agreements would be signed, and new laws adopted. People in places like NY who supported partition could be given the option to move to our new ~Red State country at a future date, perhaps if things went really badly anti-white a la Zimbabwe and South Africa or in retirement. This arrangement would be very similar to Israel now.

    By the time some of the younger people here got late middle-aged, your new country would be a nice, peaceful place with limited immigration and esprit de corps – no hateful SJWs, deep state, or lying media. No more foreign wars, no more antifa terrorists, no more statue protests or defacing.

    Sure, it’s a little more complicated than that, but that’s also why we used to have constitutional conventions. Maybe it’s time for citizens to begin planing a new one; we can start here on the internet and then use our collaboration to press politicians into action. I have a feeling that in the early 2020s things are going to get very divisive, so the time to start planing may be now. Personally, I miss simple things like patriotism and a sense of belonging. I can’t wait to get back to them.

  215. @Fred Boynton

    Ken Dryden graduated before the undefeated season. Brian Cropper was Cornell’s goalie in 1970.

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