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From the New York Times:

A Senior Republican Senator Admonishes Trump: ‘American Is an Idea, Not a Race’

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS JAN. 12, 2018

WASHINGTON — It was just after President Trump had finished railing in the Oval Office against African immigrants he said came from “shithole countries” when a senior Republican senator, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who was there to negotiate a deal on immigration, spoke up.

“America is an idea, not a race,” Mr. Graham said, according to three people familiar with the exchange on Thursday. Diversity was a strength, he said, not a weakness. And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

Have you ever noticed that Senator Graham looks just like Kenneth the page on 30 Rock?

Anyway, I looked up the surname Graham on Wikipedia:

Graham is an English and Scottish surname. It is a habitational name, derived from Grantham in Lincolnshire, England. The Scottish Grahams traditionally claimed descent from a chief called Grame, but the first authentic bearer of the name was William of Graham in the 12th century.

Wasn’t there a book in the 1990s by a Harvard professor called How the Lincolnshireites Became White?

The biggest towns of Lincolnshire are Lincoln, Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Grantham, and Boston. Is there a more discriminated-against group in American history than immigrants from Boston, Lincolnshire, England?

If you Google “American inventors” you get:

Screenshot 2018-01-13 04.04.04

So I’d say the odds are that Alexander Graham Bell was black, just like Lindsey. Just look at his picture on Google.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Following comments by the president, I said my piece directly to him yesterday,” Mr. Graham said. “The president and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel. I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals.”

    Anyone else feel like a fleshy vessel for an ideal?

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    I can't for anything remember the exact quote or who said it, but somebody worth listening to said that abstraction is the death of literature (I think?) as it is of everything else.
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  2. neutral says:

    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

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    ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for?
     
    Graham et al think that one day they will get the non-white vote if they act and speak in a way that soothes their critics on the left.
    , @Barnard
    They think if they repeat, "there is only one race, the human race" or "diversity is our strength" enough it will convince minorities to blame their problems on the Democrats and vote for these good and virtuous Republicans.

    I would say the true believer to cynical exploiter breakdown is 65%-35%. Anyone under 50 was force fed these ideas throughout their entire education. A good estimate would be 85-90% of the Republican political class grew up in environments where they were mostly to completely sheltered from the negative impact of diversity. You would think interacting with the Congressional Black Caucus and living in D.C. would abuse them of these beliefs rather quickly, but it doesn't work out that way very often.

    , @snorlax
    The Wall Street Journal actually whined that "Mr. Trump’s barstool belch has lost the African-American vote forever."

    I shithole you not.
    , @DCThrowback
    especially when the Israelis pay you to be this stupid imo
    , @Twodees Partain
    "I cannot believe they are all this stupid"

    What evidence would convince you? ;-)
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  3. LondonBob says:

    My Godmother is called Lindsey.

    Graham is a borderer name I believe.

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    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    That's fitting inasmuch as he gree up 150 yards from the edge of Appalachia.
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  4. Jake says:

    Lindsey Graham strikes almost all normal Middle American men as being queer as a 3 dollar bill. That means he fits with all his politics that are anything but conservative.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jake, actually Obama's portrait will be on the 3 Dollar bill.
    , @Rod1963
    Indeed, I can't think of a normal white guy who doesn't perceive Lindsey as queer. And it does explain his politics to a large degree.
    , @Ben tillman
    I was drinking with friends in South Carolina when the older brother of a couple of them referred to someone as "queer as an EIGHT dollar bill". It's amusing to note that their home was about 500 yards from Lindsey's childhood home, and the older brother was the right age to have gone to school with Lindsey. Maybe Lindsey was the inspiration for upping the ante.
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  5. a reader says:

    OT, but noteworthy

    Douglas and Deborah London were shot as they answered their door in Lake Wylie in October of 2014.

    Six of 12 gang members connected to the killing in a hit ordered from jail were slapped with lengthy prison sentences on Monday.

    Can you guess how many of them were black?

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  6. Jake says:
    @Anonymous

    “Following comments by the president, I said my piece directly to him yesterday,” Mr. Graham said. “The president and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel. I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals.”
     
    Anyone else feel like a fleshy vessel for an ideal?

    I can’t for anything remember the exact quote or who said it, but somebody worth listening to said that abstraction is the death of literature (I think?) as it is of everything else.

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    BBC hails Trump wannabe.

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  8. Bubba says:

    And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

    The useless flamboyant Senator still has no skills. Send him back.

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  9. Anyone that light in the loafers, excuse me, dock-siders has got to have muliple secrets that can and will be used to get him to do whatever Mr. Adelson wants. He’s big on stopping internet gambling and increasing immigration, oh, and fighting the terrarists over there. What all that has to do with the people of South Carolina is a big mystery. What all that has to do with one gambling mogul in Las Vegas is a much smaller mystery.

    What a piece of necocon scum Ms. Grahamnesty is!

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    • Replies: @Detective Club
    The SC Rep. party has a policy of "Openness." That means Dems and Indies can vote in GOP primaries.
    Miss Lindsey loses the Rep vote but wins with Dems & Indies every time on GOP primary day. Miss Lindsey has got it going on!
    , @Mr. Anon
    Blackmail would explain the actions of a lot of congressmen. You need a stick to go along with the carrot. I have always assumed that Graham was blackmailable and was in fact being blackmailed. Perhaps, after a while, Stockholm syndrome sets in, and they just instinctively know what to do to keep their masters happy.
    , @NOTA
    I don’t believe there’s a lot of explicit blackmail of political figures to exert control over them going on—if there were, it seems like we would sometimes see a retiring embittered senator spill the beans about the no-good bastards who were blackmailing him.

    I suspect (without much evidence) that financial blackmail is more common, and there’s no reason for the senator whose gay trysts have finally come to light to disclose that he was paying hush money to some previous gay lover. We’ve seen a couple cases where that stuff came out, even.

    And I suspect there is a lot of unspoken, implied blackmail, especially where intelligence agencies and the FBI and sometimes party officials are concerned. Not “vote this way on the surveillance bill or the list of your gay lovers goes up on Wikileaks tomorrow morning,” but rather the knowledge that they know all about that stuff and could wreck your career anytime they wanted, so maybe you don’t want to cross them.
    , @Twodees Partain
    I regard Graham as living proof that vote fraud is what determines elections. No conservative would vote for this ninny, yet he has a lock on a senate seat.
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  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Philosophically speaking, an ‘idea’ is of course purely an abstract entity, in the same way that a teapot circulating in a orbit around the sun, beyond the planet Pluto is an abstract entity.

    Some ideas are eventually ‘crystallized’ and become concrete, that is amenable to our four senses, even, perhaps if moderated through the intervention of other instruments, which in turn are reducible to first principles. For example the existence of planet Neptune was ascertained by force of mathematical calculation and careful observation of neighboring planets before it was ever sighted through a telescope, let alone photographed by interplanetary probe.

    The point is that the notion of a fully functioning civic state – impressed by that state’s ability to inflict organized bodily harm and/or being the concrete fact of life governing one’s day to day life being an ‘idea’ is frankly preposterous.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well, our historically craptastic leadership class (aka "the elites") were selected (at a young age) exclusively for their abstract thinking capacity.

    It should come as no surprise that they suck at the concrete, and indeed go to extraordinary lengths to avoid it altogether.
    , @Bugg
    Nations have borders. Doesn't look like Graham wants to acknowledge that. Ideas are wonderful, and a common culture has shared ideas, value and ideals. But people defend borders of nations. That's an idea the GOPe and CoC cucks have refused to grasp.

    Graham as a closeted gay man is clearly subject to blackmail.

    There isn't much point to fighting terrorists over there if you are going to let them in here. Further our resources and money are finite. The people Graham and his ilk would invite don't give a 2nd thought to his idea nonsense, they want those resources and cash. Don't see many John Adams and Alexander Hamilton devotees driving cabs nor staffing Dunkin Donuts counters.

    Done some traveling in the heartland and out west the last few months. Don't pretend it's scientific, but did observe a lot of jobs that are done by illegals in big coastal cities-hotel staff, food service, cabs-are in the middle done by real Americans.Many white, but some black and Latino. We can go back to pre-1986 America. The cost of living increased costs would be offset by the money staying here; getting taxed and spent here. And along those lines the remittances should be taxed to pay for The Wall. Have yet to hear any reason why we shouldn't do that.

    , @Jack D
    I think you have this backward - a teapot in orbit beyond Pluto is a real thing, not an idea, but it has no potential to kill you or affect your life in any way. While ideas are intangible and yet they can kill millions.
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  11. Art Deco says:

    Graham is a peculiar fellow. He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.

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    Graham is a peculiar fellow. He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.
     
    You obviously don’t have that much exposure to the modern U.S. military, especially the USAF or ANG officer ranks. It’s a bastion of PC bullshit.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Graham is a peculiar fellow.
     
    Yes, peculiar in a particular way - everyone knows that (everyone but you that is).

    He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.
     
    He's a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors. Do most soldiers even consider JAGs to be real soldiers? I understand they are often referred to as "JAG-offs", which would tend to indicate not. Perhaps some posters here who have served in the military could provide some insight on that.
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  12. Art Deco says:
    @Jake
    Lindsey Graham strikes almost all normal Middle American men as being queer as a 3 dollar bill. That means he fits with all his politics that are anything but conservative.

    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he’s an old bachelor, not because there’s anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you’d notice.
    “Queer as a 3 dollar bill” is Johnny Weir.

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    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay, though he is from Charleston where lots of times the accent just sounds kind of effeminate. That helps him fit in.

    People in S. Carolina vote for this man because they don't care enough to vote in the primaries, and after that, he is the proper check box: [] - R. That's all. He is not flaming gay, and that is good enough people in the South, so long as he's got that "R".
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Ask yourself a question, Mr. Deco. You've read about all of this "metoo" Hollywood crap going on, right? Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties? There'd be no reason to hide that, and the psychopaths in these high positions (US Senator is one) would not be discreet if they any normal proclivities, let's say. Yes, I've seen 3 dollar bills. They don't put live queers on them, as of yet.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Art Deco calling someone an internet blowhard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7OnW4XDck
    , @anonymous
    Lindsey is a classic closet case. It's the only "conservative" thing about him.
    , @Mr. Anon

    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he’s an old bachelor....
     
    No, he strikes most normal men as gay. Maybe he doesn't strike you that way because you are also an old bachelor. And if a definition of "internet blowhard" were needed, the term "Art Deco" would suffice.
    , @DCThrowback
    He won a 6 way GOP primary in 2014 with 56% of the vote against 5 nobodies despite bad polling and his...opportunistic ways of working with the Evil party. The somebodies knew who was funding this clown & decided it was in their best interest to wait for a better opportunity.
    , @Rod1963
    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham's behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive. They certainly wouldn't let their children near such a creep either.

    Though I must say, the voters of SC are something else to elect such a anti-American POS.
    , @Curle
    “ because there’s anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you’d notice.”

    That’s what I keep saying about Paul Lynde!
    , @JollyOldSoul
    "No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate."

    South Carolina voters have also given us Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. I have no idea what's up with the place, but it's certainly not the South Carolina I would expect. FFS, even Utah voters manage to expel clowns like Bob Bennett and Chris Cannon every now and again.

    As for Lindsay Graham, he's every bit as straight as Jim Nabors...
    , @BB753
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.
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  13. TTSSYF says:

    Where are the parents of these DACA “kids”, and why are they never mentioned? And if these people are such fine, hardworking, and upstanding members of our community, by what right do we have to deprive their s_ _ _ -hole countries of their contribution? And if their countries aren’t s _ _ _ -holes, as all the faux-outraged Lefties in this country are sputtering, then why did their parents come here, and why are these “kids” referred to as “Dreamers”?

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  14. Art Deco says:

    Have you ever noticed that Senator Graham looks just like Kenneth the page on 30 Rock?

    In studio portraits. Not generally. Don’t think Graham actually smiles all that much.

    Jimmy Carter would flash smiles like that in public appearances. Per Hedley Donovan, in private conversation, Carter’s smiles were indicators of emotion and mood, and the exaggerated toothy grin actually meant his was furious.

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    Not generally. Don’t think Graham actually smiles all that much.
     
    Ran into Graham and his small entourage at a small town airport during the Lewinsky business. At the time, I was inclined to be a fan but came away very much underwhelmed by both the man and said entourage. No smiles, a lot of sour whining and resentment.

    Little in the intervening twenty years has changed my estimation.
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  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    someone pointed out that Google is guessing that users mean to query “African-American inventors”. If you query “US inventors,” Google returns all white except for George Washington Carver who improved the peanut. The others are Edison (phonograph, electric light, etc.), Samuel Morse (telegraph), Tesla (A/C motor), Eli Whitney (cotton gin) and Alexander Graham Bell (telephone).

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    [E]xcept for George Washington Carver who improved the peanut.
     
    Do tell.

    Pray, what were his peanut improvements?

    Top hat, white gloves, walking stick, monocle and spats?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/0b/c7/a50bc71d1163d7fd49b0f7cfe1a91d9f.jpg
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  16. @Anonymous
    Philosophically speaking, an 'idea' is of course purely an abstract entity, in the same way that a teapot circulating in a orbit around the sun, beyond the planet Pluto is an abstract entity.

    Some ideas are eventually 'crystallized' and become concrete, that is amenable to our four senses, even, perhaps if moderated through the intervention of other instruments, which in turn are reducible to first principles. For example the existence of planet Neptune was ascertained by force of mathematical calculation and careful observation of neighboring planets before it was ever sighted through a telescope, let alone photographed by interplanetary probe.

    The point is that the notion of a fully functioning civic state - impressed by that state's ability to inflict organized bodily harm and/or being the concrete fact of life governing one's day to day life being an 'idea' is frankly preposterous.

    Well, our historically craptastic leadership class (aka “the elites”) were selected (at a young age) exclusively for their abstract thinking capacity.

    It should come as no surprise that they suck at the concrete, and indeed go to extraordinary lengths to avoid it altogether.

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  17. @Art Deco
    Have you ever noticed that Senator Graham looks just like Kenneth the page on 30 Rock?

    In studio portraits. Not generally. Don't think Graham actually smiles all that much.

    Jimmy Carter would flash smiles like that in public appearances. Per Hedley Donovan, in private conversation, Carter's smiles were indicators of emotion and mood, and the exaggerated toothy grin actually meant his was furious.

    Not generally. Don’t think Graham actually smiles all that much.

    Ran into Graham and his small entourage at a small town airport during the Lewinsky business. At the time, I was inclined to be a fan but came away very much underwhelmed by both the man and said entourage. No smiles, a lot of sour whining and resentment.

    Little in the intervening twenty years has changed my estimation.

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  18. bomag says:
    @neutral
    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

    ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for?

    Graham et al think that one day they will get the non-white vote if they act and speak in a way that soothes their critics on the left.

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    This isn't a case of pandering for votes from democrat voters. Graham makes these asinine statements to keep his seat. The dems in charge of the party don't bother to challenge the vote totals when he wins. They don't need to. He's on their side despite his party affiliation.
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  19. As a loyal Lincolnshire yellowbelly I’m pleased as punch that we’ve been given our own Sailer-endorsed victim identity! There will be a welcome in the fensides if you ever find youself on this marshy side of the pond, Steve, with Lincolnshire sausage and all the trimmings (and a profound sense of grievance)

    Maggie Thatcher is a Grantham native, by the way. And Issac Newton was born not far away. Not bad for such an underpopulated area.

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  20. We had the news on last night and when Graham appeared, my 12-year-old said, “Huh-huh, that guy’s name is Lindsey.”

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  21. @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay, though he is from Charleston where lots of times the accent just sounds kind of effeminate. That helps him fit in.

    People in S. Carolina vote for this man because they don’t care enough to vote in the primaries, and after that, he is the proper check box: [] – R. That’s all. He is not flaming gay, and that is good enough people in the South, so long as he’s got that “R”.

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    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay,

    We have one man here who fancies he speaks for working class white males and another who fancies he speaks for South Carolinians.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Miss Lindsey is from about as far as one can be from Charleston and still remain within the confines of South Carolina.
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  22. @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    Ask yourself a question, Mr. Deco. You’ve read about all of this “metoo” Hollywood crap going on, right? Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties? There’d be no reason to hide that, and the psychopaths in these high positions (US Senator is one) would not be discreet if they any normal proclivities, let’s say. Yes, I’ve seen 3 dollar bills. They don’t put live queers on them, as of yet.

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    I think you're under the impression you asked me a coherent question. You didn't.
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  23. What is the idea?

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  24. Thea says:

    What is wrong with South Carolina “conservatives” that they keep sending this poof to Washington?

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    Great find! Considering the jokes I’ve heard that involved the damned in hell standing on their heads in sh!t, is it fair to say that for all practical purposes “hell hole” = “sh!t hole?”
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  26. The politician who reminds me most of Kenneth the page is Bobby Jindal.

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  27. Well if you are going to call someone a cracker, it should probably be Graham.

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  28. Lindsey Graham says that the United States is just an idea. This notion that America is just an “idea” is the foundational line of globaloney nonsense from the WASP / Jew ruling class.

    Lindsey Graham is a nasty little whore for the Neo-Conservatives and the American Empire profiteers. Lindsey Graham is a Baby Boomer Cuckservative who will not fight for the best interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Lindsey Graham puts the interests of Israel and the Globalizers ahead of the interests of the United States as a whole.

    Watch Lindsey Graham respond to my town hall question by saying that “I believe it is our God-given requirement to help those who struggle for their freedom” in this video:

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  29. @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    Art Deco calling someone an internet blowhard.

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  30. Gunner says:

    What is with all these lefties saying that every European country was a shithole pre-1968? There is a difference between countries that were poor (Ireland and Italy) or oppressive (Prussian Germany and Russia) and countries where your life is in danger from basically everything with little talented human capital (Haiti).

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    England ca. 1600-1800, when it was sending emigrants to America and elsewhere, was just about the richest country on earth. It was a shithole by compared to England ca. 2018, but then so was absolutely everywhere else. Scotland was a lot poorer, but it was still probably 90th percentile globally.

    Of course as everyone knows, it's perfectly acceptable to call foreign countries shitholes so long as you're doing so as justification for *more* immigration.
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  31. Isn’t the Derb from Lincolnshire? Maybe he can bring some local knowledge to the discussion.

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    I think he's from nearby Northamptonshire.
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  32. Barnard says:
    @neutral
    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

    They think if they repeat, “there is only one race, the human race” or “diversity is our strength” enough it will convince minorities to blame their problems on the Democrats and vote for these good and virtuous Republicans.

    I would say the true believer to cynical exploiter breakdown is 65%-35%. Anyone under 50 was force fed these ideas throughout their entire education. A good estimate would be 85-90% of the Republican political class grew up in environments where they were mostly to completely sheltered from the negative impact of diversity. You would think interacting with the Congressional Black Caucus and living in D.C. would abuse them of these beliefs rather quickly, but it doesn’t work out that way very often.

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  33. biz says:

    This shithole thing is a terrible strategy for Trump opponents to hang their hats on.

    I’m sure that no Democratic campaign staffer, DC or NY based media figure, or Democratic-leaning executive in Silicon Valley or the route 128 corridor has ever referred to a downscale, flyover part of the United States as a shithole. Yeah right.

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  34. “America is an idea, not a race,” Mr. Graham said, according to three people familiar with the exchange on Thursday. Diversity was a strength, he said, not a weakness.

    Anytime anyone gets the urge to vote GOP, just read that quote and let the moment pass. Graham is not some outlier Republican in his thinking on this subject. The GOP believes this in its heart.

    Time to start voting Democrat, so we can move more quickly to the next stage – whatever than may be. I’m tired of pretending that there’s hope to turn around this Titanic. We’ve already hit the iceberg. Time to accept that and make plans accordingly.

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  35. Ideas require abstract thinking, future time orientation, reflection, self-awareness ….

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  36. @Jake
    Lindsey Graham strikes almost all normal Middle American men as being queer as a 3 dollar bill. That means he fits with all his politics that are anything but conservative.

    Jake, actually Obama’s portrait will be on the 3 Dollar bill.

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  37. I met Lindsey when he was a state rep from Seneca, SC. We talked one on one for several minutes about hot button issues in the state, particularly the Battle Flag, which was still flying over the dome at the time. His area of the state overwhelmingly supported keeping it up there, but Lindsey was more worried about people whose feelings were hurt by it. I never looked into which side his family fought on in that war, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was descended from carpetbaggers. Anyway, I was left with a severe dislike of the man, and he’s done nothing over the years to change that first opinion of him, except to make me like him even less.
    He continues to vote against the wishes of the majority of South Carolinians, I think. The state has become severely Zogged to the point of passing “Anti-Semitism” laws which will make any criticism of Israel a hate crime. If Lindsey were straight, and he and Nikki had a baby, it should by rights be granted an Israeli passport, at least, if not outright citizenship.

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  38. 1661er says:

    Maybe I am missing something. But how is this flight from white? Unless one assume white countries can not be “shithole countries.”

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  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone that light in the loafers, excuse me, dock-siders has got to have muliple secrets that can and will be used to get him to do whatever Mr. Adelson wants. He's big on stopping internet gambling and increasing immigration, oh, and fighting the terrarists over there. What all that has to do with the people of South Carolina is a big mystery. What all that has to do with one gambling mogul in Las Vegas is a much smaller mystery.

    What a piece of necocon scum Ms. Grahamnesty is!

    The SC Rep. party has a policy of “Openness.” That means Dems and Indies can vote in GOP primaries.
    Miss Lindsey loses the Rep vote but wins with Dems & Indies every time on GOP primary day. Miss Lindsey has got it going on!

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  40. Graham’s comments would be less offensive if he didn’t also want to invade every single country on the planet and create millions of refugees, all so that Israel can sleep better at night. I wonder if the Jewish State is just an idea for him, or if the people there matter. If they don’t, I don’t see why they can’t have an Arab/Salafist prime minister.

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  41. Bugg says:
    @Anonymous
    Philosophically speaking, an 'idea' is of course purely an abstract entity, in the same way that a teapot circulating in a orbit around the sun, beyond the planet Pluto is an abstract entity.

    Some ideas are eventually 'crystallized' and become concrete, that is amenable to our four senses, even, perhaps if moderated through the intervention of other instruments, which in turn are reducible to first principles. For example the existence of planet Neptune was ascertained by force of mathematical calculation and careful observation of neighboring planets before it was ever sighted through a telescope, let alone photographed by interplanetary probe.

    The point is that the notion of a fully functioning civic state - impressed by that state's ability to inflict organized bodily harm and/or being the concrete fact of life governing one's day to day life being an 'idea' is frankly preposterous.

    Nations have borders. Doesn’t look like Graham wants to acknowledge that. Ideas are wonderful, and a common culture has shared ideas, value and ideals. But people defend borders of nations. That’s an idea the GOPe and CoC cucks have refused to grasp.

    Graham as a closeted gay man is clearly subject to blackmail.

    There isn’t much point to fighting terrorists over there if you are going to let them in here. Further our resources and money are finite. The people Graham and his ilk would invite don’t give a 2nd thought to his idea nonsense, they want those resources and cash. Don’t see many John Adams and Alexander Hamilton devotees driving cabs nor staffing Dunkin Donuts counters.

    Done some traveling in the heartland and out west the last few months. Don’t pretend it’s scientific, but did observe a lot of jobs that are done by illegals in big coastal cities-hotel staff, food service, cabs-are in the middle done by real Americans.Many white, but some black and Latino. We can go back to pre-1986 America. The cost of living increased costs would be offset by the money staying here; getting taxed and spent here. And along those lines the remittances should be taxed to pay for The Wall. Have yet to hear any reason why we shouldn’t do that.

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  42. TWS says:

    Did anyone else feel like rescuing Edison from that photo line up?

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  43. snorlax says:
    @neutral
    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

    The Wall Street Journal actually whined that “Mr. Trump’s barstool belch has lost the African-American vote forever.”

    I shithole you not.

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    The Wall Street Journal ran an article yesterday about how Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid $130k in hush money to some porn star who had an affair with Trump. Cohen denies paying any money to any woman, the woman herself denies it, the bank can not provide any corroboration, etc., etc., but that doesn’t stop the WSJ from running the story with second-hand unnamed sources. WSJ has zero credibility.
    , @El Dato
    The question remains whether Africa-America is actually a shithole country?
    , @Jack D
    Oh no! He might have gotten as much as 5% of the black vote against Oprah but now he can totally forget about that. Or he could if the American public did not have the attention span of a flea. The shithole remark will be forgotten in 3 weeks let alone 3 years. Hey, did you hear about Trump and the porn star?
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  44. I find it hard to believe there are intelligent, non-jewish white men who still think mass-non-white immigration is good for America. And yet there stands Lindsey Graham

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  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    Lindsey is a classic closet case. It’s the only “conservative” thing about him.

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    Lindsey is a classic closet case. It’s the only “conservative” thing about him.

    You mean a 'classic closet case' looks like an overweight 62 year old lawyer?
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  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Graham is a peculiar fellow. He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for 'a that.

    Graham is a peculiar fellow. He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.

    You obviously don’t have that much exposure to the modern U.S. military, especially the USAF or ANG officer ranks. It’s a bastion of PC bullshit.

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    The Wall Street Journal actually whined that "Mr. Trump’s barstool belch has lost the African-American vote forever."

    I shithole you not.

    The Wall Street Journal ran an article yesterday about how Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid $130k in hush money to some porn star who had an affair with Trump. Cohen denies paying any money to any woman, the woman herself denies it, the bank can not provide any corroboration, etc., etc., but that doesn’t stop the WSJ from running the story with second-hand unnamed sources. WSJ has zero credibility.

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    WSJ has zero credibility.
     
    ECONOMIST disease.
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  48. If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?

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    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?
     
    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell's equations people don't have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American "idea," a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas....

    , @midtown
    I agree. I've asked this many times online, with no answer ever given. If America is an idea, anyone can have that idea no matter where they are on earth. Therefore, should we be forced to give these idea-Americans the vote? Why should they have to arrive on our dirt in order to enjoy the benefits of citizenship?
    , @Lurker
    Concise and superb!
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  49. El Dato says:
    @snorlax
    The Wall Street Journal actually whined that "Mr. Trump’s barstool belch has lost the African-American vote forever."

    I shithole you not.

    The question remains whether Africa-America is actually a shithole country?

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  50. Alfa158 says:

    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?

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    They ARE still 8 year old boys.
    , @MEH 0910
    "Agnostic" has written about that:

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2012/09/decoding-homosexual-face-1.html

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/search?q=gays+peter+pan
    , @Anon
    Yes, I first noticed that in photos of Roy Cohn.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?
     
    For the same reason masseurs show off their arms:

    https://previews.123rf.com/images/goinyk/goinyk1705/goinyk170500012/77822944-baby-massage-therapy-a-young-professional-male-masseur-makes-thai-massage-cute-naked-baby-is-lying-d-Stock-Photo.jpg

    They get the job done!


    https://www.wikihow.com/Show-off-Your-Muscles-Without-It-Seeming-Intentional
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  51. JSM says:

    And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

    Dude, Lindsay, *you* are no argument for immigration from shithole countries. If anything, Senator, you’re an argument *against* it.

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  52. Fortunately for public access to knowledge, if you now Google “American inventors” the first hit below the images is a post entitled Great Moments in Google: “American Inventors” by some guy named Steve Sailer.

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  53. Mr. Anon says:

    Huh! I didn’t know that Thomas Edison was black. You learn something everyday.

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  54. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he’s an old bachelor….

    No, he strikes most normal men as gay. Maybe he doesn’t strike you that way because you are also an old bachelor. And if a definition of “internet blowhard” were needed, the term “Art Deco” would suffice.

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    No, he strikes most normal men as gay.

    You have no palpable experience of normality in any realm.
    , @Twodees Partain
    The term that A/D refused to use is "confirmed bachelor", which is the old standard euphemism for "queer as a three dollar bill".
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  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Graham is a peculiar fellow. He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for 'a that.

    Graham is a peculiar fellow.

    Yes, peculiar in a particular way – everyone knows that (everyone but you that is).

    He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.

    He’s a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors. Do most soldiers even consider JAGs to be real soldiers? I understand they are often referred to as “JAG-offs”, which would tend to indicate not. Perhaps some posters here who have served in the military could provide some insight on that.

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    He’s a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors.

    Strange as it may seem to you, there are people in the military in desk jobs.
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  56. J1234 says:

    Ultimately, Trump’s remarks will work for him rather than against him because they reflect a sentiment that is deeply ingrained in tens of millions of ordinary everyday people…people who often served in the military in “shithole” countries. They don’t reflect the sentiments of people whose life mission seems to be rejecting and discarding the idea of American exceptionalism, however, and those people usually have an overblown opinion of their opinions. They seem to believe they encapsulate the real America.

    Trump is just stating what everyone already knows, but won’t acknowledge. The same holds true with neighborhoods in the US – as of right now, you’re allowed to tell your teenage children to stay away from shitty neighborhoods, but you can’t make the same argument in public. All of this underscores the facile nature of leftist “morality” which very much needs to be underscored: leftists of means won’t live in bad neighborhoods or vacation in crappy countries (even tropical paradises like Haiti) or give their own personal land back to the Indians (regardless how unjustly it was taken from them.) The left is the least put upon political perspective with regards to living a personal life that reflects one’s publicly stated views.

    I believe that Trump is trying to redirect from the DACA debacle with these outrageous remarks, but the truth in what he says is still too big to ignore. Lynn-zee is living in a nostalgic world where the truth is still reflected in the newspaper, even a paper like the New York Times. That’s why he panders to them so that they might write a positive article about him.

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  57. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone that light in the loafers, excuse me, dock-siders has got to have muliple secrets that can and will be used to get him to do whatever Mr. Adelson wants. He's big on stopping internet gambling and increasing immigration, oh, and fighting the terrarists over there. What all that has to do with the people of South Carolina is a big mystery. What all that has to do with one gambling mogul in Las Vegas is a much smaller mystery.

    What a piece of necocon scum Ms. Grahamnesty is!

    Blackmail would explain the actions of a lot of congressmen. You need a stick to go along with the carrot. I have always assumed that Graham was blackmailable and was in fact being blackmailed. Perhaps, after a while, Stockholm syndrome sets in, and they just instinctively know what to do to keep their masters happy.

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    You need a stick to go along with the carrot.
     
    So you can tamp it in.
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  58. NOTA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone that light in the loafers, excuse me, dock-siders has got to have muliple secrets that can and will be used to get him to do whatever Mr. Adelson wants. He's big on stopping internet gambling and increasing immigration, oh, and fighting the terrarists over there. What all that has to do with the people of South Carolina is a big mystery. What all that has to do with one gambling mogul in Las Vegas is a much smaller mystery.

    What a piece of necocon scum Ms. Grahamnesty is!

    I don’t believe there’s a lot of explicit blackmail of political figures to exert control over them going on—if there were, it seems like we would sometimes see a retiring embittered senator spill the beans about the no-good bastards who were blackmailing him.

    I suspect (without much evidence) that financial blackmail is more common, and there’s no reason for the senator whose gay trysts have finally come to light to disclose that he was paying hush money to some previous gay lover. We’ve seen a couple cases where that stuff came out, even.

    And I suspect there is a lot of unspoken, implied blackmail, especially where intelligence agencies and the FBI and sometimes party officials are concerned. Not “vote this way on the surveillance bill or the list of your gay lovers goes up on Wikileaks tomorrow morning,” but rather the knowledge that they know all about that stuff and could wreck your career anytime they wanted, so maybe you don’t want to cross them.

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    That could very likely be the way it all goes down, NOTA. Nothing has to be explicit, unless the politician being "dealt with" is a guy like Roy Moore, who would not easily be under the control of the Deep State.
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  59. syonredux says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    If America is an "idea" and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can't they just have the idea in their own countries?

    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?

    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell’s equations people don’t have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas….

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    You mean the Constitution is not written in Navajo code? Other countries could actually translate it and copy it? Sheeet!
    , @David In TN
    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?
    , @istevefan

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.
     
    That is very true especially in the modern age. It was one thing when the English pioneered the industrial revolution and tried to keep secret some of their developments. Communications at the time did not facilitate knowledge transfer either. But at least since the end of WW2 everything is pretty much out in the open. Anything developed in one nation today is available in short order to anyone in the world.

    Additionally we have nations like the US with a 200-plus year old constitution and other functioning nations as well with over a century of success for others to emulate. The East Asians seem to have taken what they wanted from the West and coupled it with their natural talents to produce the economic tigers.

    I still can't get over how South Korea went from being a totally destroyed peasant nation in 1953, to one of the world's foremost high-end economies in less than half a century. Actually only 20 years after the end of the armistice and they were already becoming the dominant ship builder. So they really transformed rapidly.

    , @Anonymous

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself:
     
    Spend $1 trillion bringing it to them at the end of the barrel of a gun?
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  60. NOTA says:

    Go back far enough and everywhere was a shithole. It’s worth asking why some places escaped from shitholedom and some didn’t. Sometimes, the reasons may be hbd-ish (low IQ, low ability to coordinate society due to clannishness, etc.). But a lot of times, it’s something else like culture or institutions, because we can see places like South Korea and China and Taiwan that went from shitholedom to decent places to live in living memory.

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    The we wuz kangz folks would tell you that Africa was a paradise long ago when Europe was a shithole. Wonder if they ever contemplate why this is not so anymore.
    , @Jack D
    China has had one of the world's great civilizations for thousands of years. It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that's (almost) all over now. And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward so it won't be long until the lines cross. Sooner than you think.

    In contrast, sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization worthy of the name. No written language and "Great Zimbabwe" is a crude pile of rocks. Even the Incas and the Aztecs were leagues ahead.
    , @Ben tillman
    BBD encompasses culture and institutions.
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  61. syonredux says:

    Lindsey Graham

    Ethnicity: English, Scottish, small amount of Welsh

    Lindsey Graham is an American politician. A Republican, he has served as a U.S. Senator from South Carolina, since January 3, 2003, and was previously a Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from South Carolina, from January 3, 1995 to January 3, 2003.

    He was a candidate for the Republican Party’s nomination for President of the United States in 2016.

    Lindsey’s paternal grandfather was Lindsay Vaughn Graham (the son of James P. Graham and Mary Elizabeth J. Vaughn). James was the son of William P. Graham and Elizabeth Pendleton Vaughn. Mary was the daughter of John Henry Vaughn and Melitta Prudence Tucker. Lindsey’s great-grandparents were first cousins. They shared a set of grandparents, Alexander Wilkins Vaughn and Elizabeth E. David (who were the parents of Elizabeth Pendleton Vaughn and John Henry Vaughn).

    Lindsey’s paternal grandmother was Estey Mattox (the daughter of Joseph David Maddox and Elizabeth R. Copelan). Joseph was the son of Charles Thomas Maddox and Martha Jane Strickland. Elizabeth was the daughter of Jasper Newton Copeland and Mary Elizabeth Furlow.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/lindsey-graham

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  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think Lindsey just likes saying the words “came” and “shithole” in the same sentence….

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  63. This is a rough transcript of my town hall question to Lindsey Graham in March of 2015:

    I have a question about immigration policy and foreign policy — we’ll sort of mish-mash them together.

    There is a question about national identity, what kind of country are we. Sam Huntington of Harvard, his question was ‘who are we’ as a nation. Other people who are concerned about our foreign policy debacles, such as Iraq. We are doing things that are not working, and they’re saying: ‘what are we fighting for.’

    The United States, especially since the 1965 Immigration Act, has been moving towards some kind of multicultural Tower of Babel. That’s seems to be the identity that we’re moving towards.

    On foreign policy, there seems to be a lot of ‘bombs away with Curtis LeMay.’ It just seems to be where we start bombing, then we come up with the rationale, then we change the rationale.

    So my question to you would be: How do see this nation? Do you see it as a British Protestant nation? A European Christian nation? The Neo-Cons see it as some kind of a multicultural proposition nation, a ideological nation, if you will. How do you see the United States of America and what do you think we are fighting for as a nation?

    Lindsey Graham responded with boilerplate and hot air and this:

    “I believe in America as an idea”

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  64. Tamaqua says:

    “With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

    This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties.”

    John Jay, The Federalist #2

    Guess history isn’t Miss Lindsey’s strong suit. Bending over for lefties is.

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  65. @syonredux

    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?
     
    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell's equations people don't have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American "idea," a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas....

    You mean the Constitution is not written in Navajo code? Other countries could actually translate it and copy it? Sheeet!

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  66. @NOTA
    Go back far enough and everywhere was a shithole. It’s worth asking why some places escaped from shitholedom and some didn’t. Sometimes, the reasons may be hbd-ish (low IQ, low ability to coordinate society due to clannishness, etc.). But a lot of times, it’s something else like culture or institutions, because we can see places like South Korea and China and Taiwan that went from shitholedom to decent places to live in living memory.

    The we wuz kangz folks would tell you that Africa was a paradise long ago when Europe was a shithole. Wonder if they ever contemplate why this is not so anymore.

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  67. Jack D says:
    @snorlax
    The Wall Street Journal actually whined that "Mr. Trump’s barstool belch has lost the African-American vote forever."

    I shithole you not.

    Oh no! He might have gotten as much as 5% of the black vote against Oprah but now he can totally forget about that. Or he could if the American public did not have the attention span of a flea. The shithole remark will be forgotten in 3 weeks let alone 3 years. Hey, did you hear about Trump and the porn star?

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    Very true, Jack D. My only correction would be that, against Okra, President Trump would get < 5% of the black men's vote and about 0.0175 % of the black women's vote. You are pretty astute, so you probably also can guess which of these "blocs" would have the most to come out to vote. The black men, maybe 25 %, depending on the NFL schedule, and the black women, about 98.6%, depending on whether Okra is on TV at the time.

    Oh, all my numbers were obtained via the same rectal extraction methodology, peer reviewed and everything...
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  68. Jack D says:
    @NOTA
    Go back far enough and everywhere was a shithole. It’s worth asking why some places escaped from shitholedom and some didn’t. Sometimes, the reasons may be hbd-ish (low IQ, low ability to coordinate society due to clannishness, etc.). But a lot of times, it’s something else like culture or institutions, because we can see places like South Korea and China and Taiwan that went from shitholedom to decent places to live in living memory.

    China has had one of the world’s great civilizations for thousands of years. It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that’s (almost) all over now. And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward so it won’t be long until the lines cross. Sooner than you think.

    In contrast, sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization worthy of the name. No written language and “Great Zimbabwe” is a crude pile of rocks. Even the Incas and the Aztecs were leagues ahead.

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    China has had one of the world’s great civilizations for thousands of years.

    Civilization in China doesn't pre-date that in Greece, much less Egypt or Mesopotamia. And it's had periods of advance and implosion.


    It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that’s (almost) all over now.

    The people running the Maddison project have concluded that standards of living all over Mediterranean Europe, in France, in Britain, in Sweden, in Turkey, and in India surpassed those in China ca. 1650 and that Spanish and British colonies at the time were just behind those of China.



    And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward

    Ours isn't.
    , @J.Ross
    The information about China is as wrong as Charles Murray's in Human Accomplishment where it's clear he's at pains to say something nice about nonwhites, but the comparison to Africa is unimpeachable. The Chinese divide their history into about ten dynasties (or pseudo-dynasties where civil war prevents you from using one family name) and see just under half of those as "good." The bad times were truly bad, to the point of excluding many civilizational benefits taken for granted in good times. But there are no comparable good/bad judgments for the reliable African state, and that's the real indictment.
    After they kill us off, history will end, because there will still be people and events but none of them will matter (also nonwhites despise freedom of speech and will criminalize historical research outside state narratives).
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  69. @NOTA
    I don’t believe there’s a lot of explicit blackmail of political figures to exert control over them going on—if there were, it seems like we would sometimes see a retiring embittered senator spill the beans about the no-good bastards who were blackmailing him.

    I suspect (without much evidence) that financial blackmail is more common, and there’s no reason for the senator whose gay trysts have finally come to light to disclose that he was paying hush money to some previous gay lover. We’ve seen a couple cases where that stuff came out, even.

    And I suspect there is a lot of unspoken, implied blackmail, especially where intelligence agencies and the FBI and sometimes party officials are concerned. Not “vote this way on the surveillance bill or the list of your gay lovers goes up on Wikileaks tomorrow morning,” but rather the knowledge that they know all about that stuff and could wreck your career anytime they wanted, so maybe you don’t want to cross them.

    That could very likely be the way it all goes down, NOTA. Nothing has to be explicit, unless the politician being “dealt with” is a guy like Roy Moore, who would not easily be under the control of the Deep State.

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  70. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158
    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?

    They ARE still 8 year old boys.

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    They ARE still 8 year old boys.

    Does that include 91 year old great-grandfather Jimmy Carter?
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  71. @neutral
    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

    especially when the Israelis pay you to be this stupid imo

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  72. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    Philosophically speaking, an 'idea' is of course purely an abstract entity, in the same way that a teapot circulating in a orbit around the sun, beyond the planet Pluto is an abstract entity.

    Some ideas are eventually 'crystallized' and become concrete, that is amenable to our four senses, even, perhaps if moderated through the intervention of other instruments, which in turn are reducible to first principles. For example the existence of planet Neptune was ascertained by force of mathematical calculation and careful observation of neighboring planets before it was ever sighted through a telescope, let alone photographed by interplanetary probe.

    The point is that the notion of a fully functioning civic state - impressed by that state's ability to inflict organized bodily harm and/or being the concrete fact of life governing one's day to day life being an 'idea' is frankly preposterous.

    I think you have this backward – a teapot in orbit beyond Pluto is a real thing, not an idea, but it has no potential to kill you or affect your life in any way. While ideas are intangible and yet they can kill millions.

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  73. @Jack D
    Oh no! He might have gotten as much as 5% of the black vote against Oprah but now he can totally forget about that. Or he could if the American public did not have the attention span of a flea. The shithole remark will be forgotten in 3 weeks let alone 3 years. Hey, did you hear about Trump and the porn star?

    Very true, Jack D. My only correction would be that, against Okra, President Trump would get < 5% of the black men's vote and about 0.0175 % of the black women's vote. You are pretty astute, so you probably also can guess which of these "blocs" would have the most to come out to vote. The black men, maybe 25 %, depending on the NFL schedule, and the black women, about 98.6%, depending on whether Okra is on TV at the time.

    Oh, all my numbers were obtained via the same rectal extraction methodology, peer reviewed and everything…

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  74. @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    He won a 6 way GOP primary in 2014 with 56% of the vote against 5 nobodies despite bad polling and his…opportunistic ways of working with the Evil party. The somebodies knew who was funding this clown & decided it was in their best interest to wait for a better opportunity.

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    I agree he's worn out his welcome with the South Carolina electorate.


    The somebodies knew who was funding this clown & decided it was in their best interest to wait for a better opportunity.

    Or it hadn't occurred to them he was vulnerable. See David Brat v. Eric Cantor.
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  75. well make sure to tell them that judaism is an idea, not a race. the world won’t miss them but we’ll keep around some books about the jewish idea if anyone’s curious.

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  76. Bill P says:

    So we white Americans are not real, but rather an “idea.” This what follows from saying that there is no American race. Real human beings have races, or at least nationalities, but we don’t, so we are not human beings.

    So I guess my children and I are all figments of someone’s imagination. We exist conditionally, according to whether or not the idea of American includes us.

    The hundreds of years that my ancestors lived on the fringe of civilization settling and building this “idea” count for nothing more than the whims of our new colonial masters.

    From an objective viewpoint, one would have to come to the conclusion that a powerful faction is waging war against the American people.

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    There isn’t an American race, though—there are Americans of every race. The question is how we want to select new Americans. The best ways to do that probably don’t get exactly proportional numbers of people from each race, and almost certainly the best ways for us bring bigger fractions of Norwegians than Haitians.
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  77. You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas), and still not welcome people who, based on their country’s prevailing culture, are unlikely to share those ideas.

    Take any of the ideas dearest to our liberals, and you’ll find it’s in short supply around Latin America, the Muslim world or Africa.

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    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas),...............
     
    One cannot acknowledge it, because it isn't true.
    , @Desiderius
    It doesn’t have to be an idea (it isn’t, or isn’t principally) to recognize that those ideas are still important enough to disqualify those who do not uphold them.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I agree that America is a nation, but probably commenters on this blog take the "America is not an idea" too far. There was a lot of abstraction in the founding and idealism in the citizenry throughout time.

    Better to counter the left's narrative with the historically more accurate: "to the extent America is an idea, its idea is freedom, not diversity." There are ample cultural artifacts to support this, like our previous National Anthem:

    My country, 'tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing;
    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims' pride,
    From ev'ry mountainside
    Let freedom ring!

    It's not blood and soil, it's blood, soil, and freedom. But it's freedom, not diversity.
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  78. syonredux says:

    A comic book dares to ask, what if Ivanka turned on her father?

    There are few people in the world better positioned to bend President Donald Trump’s ear than his daughter (and advisor) Ivanka Trump—someone who’s been rightly criticized for being complicit in her father’s draconian politics. But what if Ivanka decided to turn on her family and fight for the people? Black Mask Studio’s Billionaire Killers, written by Matteo Pizzolo and illustrated by Soo Lee, asks that very question.

    In the world of Billionaire Killers, the Secretary of State is the CEO of ExxonMobil, a shady hedge fund manager is Secretary of Treasury, and the head of the Environmental Protection Agency is a lawyer who despises the organization. Though the President thinks of himself as a political power player, he’s actually an inept businessman who doesn’t realize he’s being manipulated by corporations and old money far more adroit than himself. (This all may sound somewhat familiar.)

    Amidst all of this are Sera and Pru, two young heiresses who, after taking stock of their own lives, come to the conclusion that their industrialist fathers are a part of the larger problem that must be eliminated in order to make the world a better place.

    In a public statement, Black Mask co-founder and Billionaire Killers writer Pizzolo described the series as an answer to the question, “What if someone like Ivanka Trump became radicalized?”

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-billionaire-killers-an-heiress-dares-to-take-down-h-1822021026

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    I am now patiently waiting for Sessions to go after all the sedition and assassination-jokes that would have been crimes under Obama.
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  79. Rod1963 says:
    @Jake
    Lindsey Graham strikes almost all normal Middle American men as being queer as a 3 dollar bill. That means he fits with all his politics that are anything but conservative.

    Indeed, I can’t think of a normal white guy who doesn’t perceive Lindsey as queer. And it does explain his politics to a large degree.

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  80. An interesting article in the NY Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/europe/trump-immigration-outrage.html

    Basically, they seem to concede that Trump is winning the war of words. And he has, in fact, managed to normalize thoughts virtually everybody entertains — and which the deplorables may say out loud.

    Of course, the article sees this as fomenting “racism”.

    I would say that Trump’s language, precisely because it was both extreme and accurate, serves a major purpose in freeing up our discourse. The media can’t stop talking about it. But in so doing they get everybody in America — and most of the world — to think about the truth of what Trump is saying.

    I see this article as some recognition in the media that their own hysteria may be dooming their agenda. On the other hand, they are powerless to stop themselves from doing so — they unleashed the dogs of hysteria, and can’t pull them back.

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  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @International Jew
    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas), and still not welcome people who, based on their country's prevailing culture, are unlikely to share those ideas.

    Take any of the ideas dearest to our liberals, and you'll find it's in short supply around Latin America, the Muslim world or Africa.

    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas),……………

    One cannot acknowledge it, because it isn’t true.

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    I'm saying, even if you acknowledge it, Lindsey Graham is wrong.
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  82. Rod1963 says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham’s behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive. They certainly wouldn’t let their children near such a creep either.

    Though I must say, the voters of SC are something else to elect such a anti-American POS.

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    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham’s behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive.

    No, internet blowhards who pretend they're anthropologists find that. Actual 'working class straight guys' generally don't follow public affairs or have strong opinions about a randomly selected member of the congressional Republican caucus and wouldn't notice Graham if they sat three seats from him in an airport lounge. They wouldn't because he's just another fat old man in a business suit. For effect, the lot of you pretend he's Halston. He obviously isn't, but that doesn't stop you from being an ass.

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  83. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    They ARE still 8 year old boys.

    They ARE still 8 year old boys.

    Does that include 91 year old great-grandfather Jimmy Carter?

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  84. Art Deco says:
    @DCThrowback
    He won a 6 way GOP primary in 2014 with 56% of the vote against 5 nobodies despite bad polling and his...opportunistic ways of working with the Evil party. The somebodies knew who was funding this clown & decided it was in their best interest to wait for a better opportunity.

    I agree he’s worn out his welcome with the South Carolina electorate.

    The somebodies knew who was funding this clown & decided it was in their best interest to wait for a better opportunity.

    Or it hadn’t occurred to them he was vulnerable. See David Brat v. Eric Cantor.

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  85. The immigrants that should cause the most concern are not the poverty-stricken Latins coming over the southern border, some of which originate from countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. The newcomers that worry me are the ones like the 20ish Twitter engineers from India, probably first generation sons, seen on the Project Veritas video, proud of their roles in the censorship of views that don’t conform to the People of Color orthodoxy. It seems that some of the immigrant kids from India, China, South Korea, and the south-east Asian countries have fallen in love with Black American culture because that’s what sells these days. Black culture, as voiced through hip-hop and rap, is full of harsh beats and vindictive towards Whites. The Indian and Asian kids have absorbed these messages and joined the battle (behind keyboards) against White supremacy in America.
    There is a race war occurring; currently it’s in a cold stage, though the henchmen of POC supremacy, Black males and females, engage in quite a bit of overtly racist violence against Whites. In the town I unfortunately live in, Asians are also targets of Black predators because the larcenous spear-carriers got the message from a rap song that all Asians are moneybags who don’t believe in banks.

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    countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. T

    Do you have a macro which produces these inanities? There are no dictators, there are no puppets, there are no 'CIA installed' regimes (run by puppets or no), the U.S. Government was an antagonist of the 'death squads' which were run by freebooters in the Salvadorean rural constabulary, and the civil wars in Central America have been over for 25 years.
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  86. @NOTA
    Go back far enough and everywhere was a shithole. It’s worth asking why some places escaped from shitholedom and some didn’t. Sometimes, the reasons may be hbd-ish (low IQ, low ability to coordinate society due to clannishness, etc.). But a lot of times, it’s something else like culture or institutions, because we can see places like South Korea and China and Taiwan that went from shitholedom to decent places to live in living memory.

    BBD encompasses culture and institutions.

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  87. @International Jew
    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas), and still not welcome people who, based on their country's prevailing culture, are unlikely to share those ideas.

    Take any of the ideas dearest to our liberals, and you'll find it's in short supply around Latin America, the Muslim world or Africa.

    It doesn’t have to be an idea (it isn’t, or isn’t principally) to recognize that those ideas are still important enough to disqualify those who do not uphold them.

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  88. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    China has had one of the world's great civilizations for thousands of years. It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that's (almost) all over now. And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward so it won't be long until the lines cross. Sooner than you think.

    In contrast, sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization worthy of the name. No written language and "Great Zimbabwe" is a crude pile of rocks. Even the Incas and the Aztecs were leagues ahead.

    China has had one of the world’s great civilizations for thousands of years.

    Civilization in China doesn’t pre-date that in Greece, much less Egypt or Mesopotamia. And it’s had periods of advance and implosion.

    It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that’s (almost) all over now.

    The people running the Maddison project have concluded that standards of living all over Mediterranean Europe, in France, in Britain, in Sweden, in Turkey, and in India surpassed those in China ca. 1650 and that Spanish and British colonies at the time were just behind those of China.

    And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward

    Ours isn’t.

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    Ours isn’t.
     
    Keep whistling past the graveyard.

    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018 and then compare Shanghai 1958 to Shanghai 2018 and then get back to me. If you can't see the signs of rot in our society then you are willfully blind. Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere. When China was declining they had a big problem with people taking opium. Who's taking opiates now?
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  89. anon • Disclaimer says:

    And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

    Wonder if his mom turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back after fleeing those countries.

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  90. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux
    A comic book dares to ask, what if Ivanka turned on her father?

    There are few people in the world better positioned to bend President Donald Trump’s ear than his daughter (and advisor) Ivanka Trump—someone who’s been rightly criticized for being complicit in her father’s draconian politics. But what if Ivanka decided to turn on her family and fight for the people? Black Mask Studio’s Billionaire Killers, written by Matteo Pizzolo and illustrated by Soo Lee, asks that very question.
     

    In the world of Billionaire Killers, the Secretary of State is the CEO of ExxonMobil, a shady hedge fund manager is Secretary of Treasury, and the head of the Environmental Protection Agency is a lawyer who despises the organization. Though the President thinks of himself as a political power player, he’s actually an inept businessman who doesn’t realize he’s being manipulated by corporations and old money far more adroit than himself. (This all may sound somewhat familiar.)

    Amidst all of this are Sera and Pru, two young heiresses who, after taking stock of their own lives, come to the conclusion that their industrialist fathers are a part of the larger problem that must be eliminated in order to make the world a better place.

    In a public statement, Black Mask co-founder and Billionaire Killers writer Pizzolo described the series as an answer to the question, “What if someone like Ivanka Trump became radicalized?”
     
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-billionaire-killers-an-heiress-dares-to-take-down-h-1822021026

    I am now patiently waiting for Sessions to go after all the sedition and assassination-jokes that would have been crimes under Obama.

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  91. istevefan says:

    And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

    That’s pretty rich. That so-called shithole country he is descended from was the font of our nation and three of the other successful new world nations. Just compare the new world nations founded by Lindsey’s ‘shithole’ mother country to the rest of the new world.

    That shithole also provided the world with its lingua franca and parliamentary democracy. Oh, and it ushered in something called the industrial revolution too.

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  92. rogue-one says:

    >American is an idea, not a race.

    Communism was an idea. You could practice it in Russia, or Cuba. Islam is an idea. You can practice it anywhere.

    If America is an idea then why don’t people in Haiti practice that idea while living in Haiti? Why don’t people in El Salvador build a constitution and a republic on American model and enjoy prosperity. If America is an idea then why does the idea require others to come to America and practice that idea within the US?

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    Why don’t people in El Salvador build a constitution and a republic on American model and enjoy prosperity. I

    El Salvador is a poor country with a terrible problem with street crime. It's also been run by its elected officials for 35 years.
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  93. @syonredux

    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?
     
    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell's equations people don't have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American "idea," a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas....

    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?

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    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?
     
    Graham knows full well Trump wasn't referring to race. But he saw an opportunity to score some MSM Pokemon Points of his own, which is hard when you're a white male. What is in the water in South Carolina? I've been wondering for many years now.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Graham made that assumption because, since Trump was speaking the language of the American heterosexual male, Graham had no idea what he was saying.
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  94. Calogero says:

    Is Sweden also an “idea”? What about Germany, France, and every other Western country? If America is the only “idea” nation, why do invaders want to come to any and all of the other Western countries? Luckily for the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese that their elected leaders would never believe that their countries are just “ideas”.

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    It’s just what they feel will work here. When Alan Shatter was Justice Minister in Ireland, he said that because Ireland had always been a nation of emigrants, it had a duty to accept immigrants from all nations.
    No consistency is needed. Stop looking for anything except a lust for power as a reason for their actions.
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  95. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D
    China has had one of the world's great civilizations for thousands of years. It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that's (almost) all over now. And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward so it won't be long until the lines cross. Sooner than you think.

    In contrast, sub-Saharan Africa never had a civilization worthy of the name. No written language and "Great Zimbabwe" is a crude pile of rocks. Even the Incas and the Aztecs were leagues ahead.

    The information about China is as wrong as Charles Murray’s in Human Accomplishment where it’s clear he’s at pains to say something nice about nonwhites, but the comparison to Africa is unimpeachable. The Chinese divide their history into about ten dynasties (or pseudo-dynasties where civil war prevents you from using one family name) and see just under half of those as “good.” The bad times were truly bad, to the point of excluding many civilizational benefits taken for granted in good times. But there are no comparable good/bad judgments for the reliable African state, and that’s the real indictment.
    After they kill us off, history will end, because there will still be people and events but none of them will matter (also nonwhites despise freedom of speech and will criminalize historical research outside state narratives).

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    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans, not to mention various revolutions, etc. too so it's not like the course of Western history was always on an upward trajectory either.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England - we don't need any of your stuff, we have our own stuff. Unfortunately for China, soon after Qian Long died, the wheels came off their empire just at the time when the West was taking off. Since the Chinese emperor was more or less an absolute dictator, the quality of the guy at the top made a big difference - a bad or weak emperor could do a lot of damage.
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  96. MEH 0910 says:
    @Alfa158
    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?
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  97. istevefan says:
    @syonredux

    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?
     
    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell's equations people don't have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American "idea," a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas....

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    That is very true especially in the modern age. It was one thing when the English pioneered the industrial revolution and tried to keep secret some of their developments. Communications at the time did not facilitate knowledge transfer either. But at least since the end of WW2 everything is pretty much out in the open. Anything developed in one nation today is available in short order to anyone in the world.

    Additionally we have nations like the US with a 200-plus year old constitution and other functioning nations as well with over a century of success for others to emulate. The East Asians seem to have taken what they wanted from the West and coupled it with their natural talents to produce the economic tigers.

    I still can’t get over how South Korea went from being a totally destroyed peasant nation in 1953, to one of the world’s foremost high-end economies in less than half a century. Actually only 20 years after the end of the armistice and they were already becoming the dominant ship builder. So they really transformed rapidly.

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    Unfortunately, South Korean greatness only lasted a couple generations. The current upcoming generation there is quite dissolute and chase good times rather than strength of character. They will even say so themselves.
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  98. Curle says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    “ because there’s anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you’d notice.”

    That’s what I keep saying about Paul Lynde!

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    That’s what I keep saying about Paul Lynde!

    We've been over the anachronism in much of the commentary about Lynde. That aside, Lynde was in the entertainment business, spent his adult life in New York and Los Angeles, and played the clown much of his career. Graham was...an Air Force JAG.
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  99. @Jake
    Lindsey Graham strikes almost all normal Middle American men as being queer as a 3 dollar bill. That means he fits with all his politics that are anything but conservative.

    I was drinking with friends in South Carolina when the older brother of a couple of them referred to someone as “queer as an EIGHT dollar bill”. It’s amusing to note that their home was about 500 yards from Lindsey’s childhood home, and the older brother was the right age to have gone to school with Lindsey. Maybe Lindsey was the inspiration for upping the ante.

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  100. @LondonBob
    My Godmother is called Lindsey.

    Graham is a borderer name I believe.

    That’s fitting inasmuch as he gree up 150 yards from the edge of Appalachia.

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  101. NOTA says:
    @Bill P
    So we white Americans are not real, but rather an "idea." This what follows from saying that there is no American race. Real human beings have races, or at least nationalities, but we don't, so we are not human beings.

    So I guess my children and I are all figments of someone's imagination. We exist conditionally, according to whether or not the idea of American includes us.

    The hundreds of years that my ancestors lived on the fringe of civilization settling and building this "idea" count for nothing more than the whims of our new colonial masters.

    From an objective viewpoint, one would have to come to the conclusion that a powerful faction is waging war against the American people.

    There isn’t an American race, though—there are Americans of every race. The question is how we want to select new Americans. The best ways to do that probably don’t get exactly proportional numbers of people from each race, and almost certainly the best ways for us bring bigger fractions of Norwegians than Haitians.

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    If there is no American race (or perhaps in the modern vernacular nationality or ethnicity), then what does that make those of us who actually descend from the people who, you know, created this country in the first place? Britons removed from the old country by some fifteen generations with no country to call their own?

    I think it's pretty clear that there is in fact an "American" nationality. Everyone else in the world sees it. Why do we deny it here?

    Maybe we aren't a majority of the US, but I'd bet we're a plurality, and our culture defines the country. Just open a phonebook in most of the country and it's plain as day. Most people have names like Smith, Jackson, Johnson, Taylor, Powell, McIntyre, Lee, Jones, etc. I'd say these people are what one would call ethnically "American."
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  102. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN
    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?

    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?

    Graham knows full well Trump wasn’t referring to race. But he saw an opportunity to score some MSM Pokemon Points of his own, which is hard when you’re a white male. What is in the water in South Carolina? I’ve been wondering for many years now.

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    "What's in the water in South Carolina."

    The "conservative" South Carolina voters fall over themselves to send him to the Senate every six years. All he has to do with such people is talk about god and "oppose abortion."
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  103. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous
    Lindsey is a classic closet case. It's the only "conservative" thing about him.

    Lindsey is a classic closet case. It’s the only “conservative” thing about him.

    You mean a ‘classic closet case’ looks like an overweight 62 year old lawyer?

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  104. Art Deco says:
    @Curle
    “ because there’s anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you’d notice.”

    That’s what I keep saying about Paul Lynde!

    That’s what I keep saying about Paul Lynde!

    We’ve been over the anachronism in much of the commentary about Lynde. That aside, Lynde was in the entertainment business, spent his adult life in New York and Los Angeles, and played the clown much of his career. Graham was…an Air Force JAG.

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  105. Art Deco says:
    @rogue-one
    >American is an idea, not a race.

    Communism was an idea. You could practice it in Russia, or Cuba. Islam is an idea. You can practice it anywhere.

    If America is an idea then why don't people in Haiti practice that idea while living in Haiti? Why don't people in El Salvador build a constitution and a republic on American model and enjoy prosperity. If America is an idea then why does the idea require others to come to America and practice that idea within the US?

    Why don’t people in El Salvador build a constitution and a republic on American model and enjoy prosperity. I

    El Salvador is a poor country with a terrible problem with street crime. It’s also been run by its elected officials for 35 years.

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  106. @Mr. Anon

    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas),...............
     
    One cannot acknowledge it, because it isn't true.

    I’m saying, even if you acknowledge it, Lindsey Graham is wrong.

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    I’m saying, even if you acknowledge it, Lindsey Graham is wrong.
     
    And - again - one cannot acknowledge what is not true. Perhaps what you meant is "even if you assert it...........". Assert and Acknowledge are not the same thing.
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  107. Art Deco says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    The immigrants that should cause the most concern are not the poverty-stricken Latins coming over the southern border, some of which originate from countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. The newcomers that worry me are the ones like the 20ish Twitter engineers from India, probably first generation sons, seen on the Project Veritas video, proud of their roles in the censorship of views that don't conform to the People of Color orthodoxy. It seems that some of the immigrant kids from India, China, South Korea, and the south-east Asian countries have fallen in love with Black American culture because that's what sells these days. Black culture, as voiced through hip-hop and rap, is full of harsh beats and vindictive towards Whites. The Indian and Asian kids have absorbed these messages and joined the battle (behind keyboards) against White supremacy in America.
    There is a race war occurring; currently it's in a cold stage, though the henchmen of POC supremacy, Black males and females, engage in quite a bit of overtly racist violence against Whites. In the town I unfortunately live in, Asians are also targets of Black predators because the larcenous spear-carriers got the message from a rap song that all Asians are moneybags who don't believe in banks.

    countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. T

    Do you have a macro which produces these inanities? There are no dictators, there are no puppets, there are no ‘CIA installed’ regimes (run by puppets or no), the U.S. Government was an antagonist of the ‘death squads’ which were run by freebooters in the Salvadorean rural constabulary, and the civil wars in Central America have been over for 25 years.

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    Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1993) goes into detail on the partnership between the CIA and Mafia, brokered by John Roselli, to make Honduras essentially a plantation for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s. United Fruit, like Pepsi-Cola, served as a cover for CIA officers. As I'm sure you know, the relationship between American intelligence and the Mafia goes back to World War 2 (OSS and Naval Intelligence).
    In 1979, Jimmy Carter aided and assisted a military-backed coup in El Salvador. A network of CIA and Army Special Forces "freebooters" who worked together on the Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War were contracted by the Agency to assist the new Salvadoran military government in cleaning out the communists. This led to the death squads.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    The last chapter in Douglas Valentine's The Phoenix Program (1990) details where some American veterans of Phoenix landed after the war. In 1979, after a military coup supported by the Carter administration, these CIA officers and Green Berets created Phoenix-like indigenous units to go into the civilian population of El Salvador and root out the communists. These were death squads, just like in Vietnam.
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  108. Art Deco says:
    @Rod1963
    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham's behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive. They certainly wouldn't let their children near such a creep either.

    Though I must say, the voters of SC are something else to elect such a anti-American POS.

    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham’s behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive.

    No, internet blowhards who pretend they’re anthropologists find that. Actual ‘working class straight guys’ generally don’t follow public affairs or have strong opinions about a randomly selected member of the congressional Republican caucus and wouldn’t notice Graham if they sat three seats from him in an airport lounge. They wouldn’t because he’s just another fat old man in a business suit. For effect, the lot of you pretend he’s Halston. He obviously isn’t, but that doesn’t stop you from being an ass.

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    Graham never met a camera he didn't like. People see him on CNN in those airport lounges. They may not recognize his name, but they'd know his face.
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  109. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Graham is a peculiar fellow.
     
    Yes, peculiar in a particular way - everyone knows that (everyone but you that is).

    He spent 85% of this first 40 years living in South Carolina, the other 15% in the Air Force. He was in uniform for 12 years. Yet, his attitudes are pure Capitol Hill nexus and quite stubborn for ‘a that.
     
    He's a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors. Do most soldiers even consider JAGs to be real soldiers? I understand they are often referred to as "JAG-offs", which would tend to indicate not. Perhaps some posters here who have served in the military could provide some insight on that.

    He’s a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors.

    Strange as it may seem to you, there are people in the military in desk jobs.

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    Strange as it may seem to you, there are people in the military in desk jobs.
     
    Yes, I am aware of that, you prating, pompous ass. None-the-less, my question still stands: do most soldiers even respect JAG officers?
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  110. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he’s an old bachelor....
     
    No, he strikes most normal men as gay. Maybe he doesn't strike you that way because you are also an old bachelor. And if a definition of "internet blowhard" were needed, the term "Art Deco" would suffice.

    No, he strikes most normal men as gay.

    You have no palpable experience of normality in any realm.

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    Art...

    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    I mean:

    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/views/u-s-sen-lindsey-graham-addressing-rumors-that-he-s/article_ab4d45ff-9199-5472-bdb3-17b2dadfa805.html

    Here's a segment about it on Comedy Central:

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tqucn8/the-colbert-report-the-word---straight-to-video

    Don't you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

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  111. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Ask yourself a question, Mr. Deco. You've read about all of this "metoo" Hollywood crap going on, right? Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties? There'd be no reason to hide that, and the psychopaths in these high positions (US Senator is one) would not be discreet if they any normal proclivities, let's say. Yes, I've seen 3 dollar bills. They don't put live queers on them, as of yet.

    I think you’re under the impression you asked me a coherent question. You didn’t.

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    Here:

    Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties?
     
    You're not Miss Lindsey, are you, or an intern or what-not? I mean, your job's safe, if so... not to worry.
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  112. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay, though he is from Charleston where lots of times the accent just sounds kind of effeminate. That helps him fit in.

    People in S. Carolina vote for this man because they don't care enough to vote in the primaries, and after that, he is the proper check box: [] - R. That's all. He is not flaming gay, and that is good enough people in the South, so long as he's got that "R".

    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay,

    We have one man here who fancies he speaks for working class white males and another who fancies he speaks for South Carolinians.

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  113. midtown says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    If America is an "idea" and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can't they just have the idea in their own countries?

    I agree. I’ve asked this many times online, with no answer ever given. If America is an idea, anyone can have that idea no matter where they are on earth. Therefore, should we be forced to give these idea-Americans the vote? Why should they have to arrive on our dirt in order to enjoy the benefits of citizenship?

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  114. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    China has had one of the world’s great civilizations for thousands of years.

    Civilization in China doesn't pre-date that in Greece, much less Egypt or Mesopotamia. And it's had periods of advance and implosion.


    It had a couple of rough centuries while at the same time the West experienced the Industrial Revolution but that’s (almost) all over now.

    The people running the Maddison project have concluded that standards of living all over Mediterranean Europe, in France, in Britain, in Sweden, in Turkey, and in India surpassed those in China ca. 1650 and that Spanish and British colonies at the time were just behind those of China.



    And their trajectory is upward and ours is downward

    Ours isn't.

    Ours isn’t.

    Keep whistling past the graveyard.

    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018 and then compare Shanghai 1958 to Shanghai 2018 and then get back to me. If you can’t see the signs of rot in our society then you are willfully blind. Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere. When China was declining they had a big problem with people taking opium. Who’s taking opiates now?

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    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018


    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.




    Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere.


    IOW, evidence inconvenient to your thesis is an illusion.

    As for 'rot'. all notable categories of violent crime occur at lower rates than they did 25 years ago. Robbery occurs more frequently than needs be but it's incidence is about what it was 5o years ago. Same deal with homicide. Burglary and auto theft are no more common than they were ca. 1962.


    As for the decay in family relations, marital attrition rates in China and the affluent Far East aren't as bad as they are in the occident, but 'not as bad' means about 1/3 lower and on a par with a selection of European countries. China's total fertility rate is depressed (1.57) and as low as the European mean. Did you catch this news item:

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-unwed-mothers-korean-war-armistice/1710042.html


    I'm not expecting China to miss out on the anomie that has hit every affluent country, even countries which had vigorous cultural buttresses against it (Quebec, Ireland, and now Malta).
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  115. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes most normal men as gay.

    You have no palpable experience of normality in any realm.

    Art…

    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    I mean:

    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/views/u-s-sen-lindsey-graham-addressing-rumors-that-he-s/article_ab4d45ff-9199-5472-bdb3-17b2dadfa805.html

    Here’s a segment about it on Comedy Central:

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tqucn8/the-colbert-report-the-word—straight-to-video

    Don’t you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

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    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he's a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him. While you're at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he's a bachelor, not because there's much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.


    Don’t you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.
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  116. midtown says:
    @istevefan

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.
     
    That is very true especially in the modern age. It was one thing when the English pioneered the industrial revolution and tried to keep secret some of their developments. Communications at the time did not facilitate knowledge transfer either. But at least since the end of WW2 everything is pretty much out in the open. Anything developed in one nation today is available in short order to anyone in the world.

    Additionally we have nations like the US with a 200-plus year old constitution and other functioning nations as well with over a century of success for others to emulate. The East Asians seem to have taken what they wanted from the West and coupled it with their natural talents to produce the economic tigers.

    I still can't get over how South Korea went from being a totally destroyed peasant nation in 1953, to one of the world's foremost high-end economies in less than half a century. Actually only 20 years after the end of the armistice and they were already becoming the dominant ship builder. So they really transformed rapidly.

    Unfortunately, South Korean greatness only lasted a couple generations. The current upcoming generation there is quite dissolute and chase good times rather than strength of character. They will even say so themselves.

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  117. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross
    The information about China is as wrong as Charles Murray's in Human Accomplishment where it's clear he's at pains to say something nice about nonwhites, but the comparison to Africa is unimpeachable. The Chinese divide their history into about ten dynasties (or pseudo-dynasties where civil war prevents you from using one family name) and see just under half of those as "good." The bad times were truly bad, to the point of excluding many civilizational benefits taken for granted in good times. But there are no comparable good/bad judgments for the reliable African state, and that's the real indictment.
    After they kill us off, history will end, because there will still be people and events but none of them will matter (also nonwhites despise freedom of speech and will criminalize historical research outside state narratives).

    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans, not to mention various revolutions, etc. too so it’s not like the course of Western history was always on an upward trajectory either.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England – we don’t need any of your stuff, we have our own stuff. Unfortunately for China, soon after Qian Long died, the wheels came off their empire just at the time when the West was taking off. Since the Chinese emperor was more or less an absolute dictator, the quality of the guy at the top made a big difference – a bad or weak emperor could do a lot of damage.

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    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans,

    The west experienced long-term demographic and economic decline from about the 3d to the 7th century (per Philip Daeleader). After that, there were periods of revival and decay (with the 14th century notable for the latter). In the former Roman provinces, periods where history is replaced by archaeology for lack of documentation extend from the beginning of the 5th century to maybe the 11th century in Britain with shorter periods elsewhere.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England

     

    There was contact between China and the West because our ships were then able to circumnavigate the globe on a regular basis. This was helped by clocks to allow ships to determine longitude and the discovery of the cause of scurvy.

    The King of England telling the Chinese Emperor we don't want Chinese ships trading at English ports would make for a better case of European backwardness.
    , @Johann Ricke

    When China was declining they had a big problem with people taking opium. Who’s taking opiates now?
     
    It seems to me that the Chinese took opium everywhere they went outside of China, and were noted for their industry and their tenacity, to the point that barriers against taking in more of them were enacted into law, because of opposition from locals concerned about the competition. Smoking opium is a lot like smoking pot. In China, opium was probably more of a talking point, a scapegoat, for the disasters, natural and man-made alike, that struck China in the 19th and 20th centuries. Whereas the current opioid epidemic consists of something that did not exist back then - a distilled form of opium that simultaneously provides a much more intense high as well as a high risk of death by overdose.
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  118. JMcG says:
    @Calogero
    Is Sweden also an "idea"? What about Germany, France, and every other Western country? If America is the only "idea" nation, why do invaders want to come to any and all of the other Western countries? Luckily for the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese that their elected leaders would never believe that their countries are just "ideas".

    It’s just what they feel will work here. When Alan Shatter was Justice Minister in Ireland, he said that because Ireland had always been a nation of emigrants, it had a duty to accept immigrants from all nations.
    No consistency is needed. Stop looking for anything except a lust for power as a reason for their actions.

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    Is it a 'lust for power' in Ireland? Or is it jonesing for status? What one sees of the public utterances of the Irish chatterati suggest a bourgeois crew embarrassed by the vernacular and historic culture of their country conjoined to a desire to destroy that culture. (A familiar pose, I knew).
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  119. Circumstances of the crime are a dead give away. And then there’s the Dindu names.

    Rahkeem McDonald, David Fudge, Ibn Kornegay, Nehemijel Houston, Daquan Everrett and Centrilla Leach were all given sentences that ranged from 13 years and life in prison.

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  120. The biggest towns of Lincolnshire are Lincoln, Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Grantham, and Boston.

    There is an old joke about who put the cunt in Scunthorpe, but I have forgotten it. Ted Kennedy was born in Boston, anyway.

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  121. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Ours isn’t.
     
    Keep whistling past the graveyard.

    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018 and then compare Shanghai 1958 to Shanghai 2018 and then get back to me. If you can't see the signs of rot in our society then you are willfully blind. Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere. When China was declining they had a big problem with people taking opium. Who's taking opiates now?

    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018

    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.

    Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere.

    IOW, evidence inconvenient to your thesis is an illusion.

    As for ‘rot’. all notable categories of violent crime occur at lower rates than they did 25 years ago. Robbery occurs more frequently than needs be but it’s incidence is about what it was 5o years ago. Same deal with homicide. Burglary and auto theft are no more common than they were ca. 1962.

    As for the decay in family relations, marital attrition rates in China and the affluent Far East aren’t as bad as they are in the occident, but ‘not as bad’ means about 1/3 lower and on a par with a selection of European countries. China’s total fertility rate is depressed (1.57) and as low as the European mean. Did you catch this news item:

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-unwed-mothers-korean-war-armistice/1710042.html

    I’m not expecting China to miss out on the anomie that has hit every affluent country, even countries which had vigorous cultural buttresses against it (Quebec, Ireland, and now Malta).

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    >Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018
    >>Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.
     
    The wealth of Detroit has trebled in a half century? But for some reason Detroit is bankrupt, infrastructure collapsed, water leaks everywhere, many hundreds of fire hydrants broken and unusable, a mere handful of working ambulances left, 40+ percent of residents not paying property taxes (or water bills!), police response time to emergency calls taking hours, etc.

    Your statistics are truly amazing. Did Bill Gates, La Zuck and Warren Buffett move to Detroit and boost the numerator? Or (more likely) did everyone with sense leave Detroit and eviscerate the "per capita" denominator?

    Inquiring minds wish to know.
    , @gunner29

    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.
     
    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from...
    , @Mr. Anon
    This is a high point, even for you. Now you're claiming that Detroit is not an exceptional city (in the sense of being exceptionally, bad that is). Have you ever been there? Or even just seen pictures? Have you ever been anywhere outside of the library you work in?

    Clown.
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  122. @Art Deco
    I think you're under the impression you asked me a coherent question. You didn't.

    Here:

    Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties?

    You’re not Miss Lindsey, are you, or an intern or what-not? I mean, your job’s safe, if so… not to worry.

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    For any number of reasons. He's socially awkward, his equipment doesn't work, he's not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn't all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.


    This doesn't require much imagination. Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he's blowing people in public toilets.
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  123. And by the way, the senator added, he himself was a descendant of immigrants who came to the United States from “shithole countries with no skills.”

    That is a not a fair description of Scotland.

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  124. @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    “No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate.”

    South Carolina voters have also given us Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. I have no idea what’s up with the place, but it’s certainly not the South Carolina I would expect. FFS, even Utah voters manage to expel clowns like Bob Bennett and Chris Cannon every now and again.

    As for Lindsay Graham, he’s every bit as straight as Jim Nabors…

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  125. @Gunner
    What is with all these lefties saying that every European country was a shithole pre-1968? There is a difference between countries that were poor (Ireland and Italy) or oppressive (Prussian Germany and Russia) and countries where your life is in danger from basically everything with little talented human capital (Haiti).

    England ca. 1600-1800, when it was sending emigrants to America and elsewhere, was just about the richest country on earth. It was a shithole by compared to England ca. 2018, but then so was absolutely everywhere else. Scotland was a lot poorer, but it was still probably 90th percentile globally.

    Of course as everyone knows, it’s perfectly acceptable to call foreign countries shitholes so long as you’re doing so as justification for *more* immigration.

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  126. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans, not to mention various revolutions, etc. too so it's not like the course of Western history was always on an upward trajectory either.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England - we don't need any of your stuff, we have our own stuff. Unfortunately for China, soon after Qian Long died, the wheels came off their empire just at the time when the West was taking off. Since the Chinese emperor was more or less an absolute dictator, the quality of the guy at the top made a big difference - a bad or weak emperor could do a lot of damage.

    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans,

    The west experienced long-term demographic and economic decline from about the 3d to the 7th century (per Philip Daeleader). After that, there were periods of revival and decay (with the 14th century notable for the latter). In the former Roman provinces, periods where history is replaced by archaeology for lack of documentation extend from the beginning of the 5th century to maybe the 11th century in Britain with shorter periods elsewhere.

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  127. Art Deco says:
    @anon
    Art...

    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    I mean:

    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/views/u-s-sen-lindsey-graham-addressing-rumors-that-he-s/article_ab4d45ff-9199-5472-bdb3-17b2dadfa805.html

    Here's a segment about it on Comedy Central:

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tqucn8/the-colbert-report-the-word---straight-to-video

    Don't you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he’s a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him. While you’re at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he’s a bachelor, not because there’s much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.

    Don’t you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.

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    While you’re at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he’s a bachelor, not because there’s much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.

    The question, though, is whether or not this is correct. Because this is your argument:

    No, internet blowhards who pretend they’re anthropologists find that. Actual ‘working class straight guys’ generally don’t follow public affairs or have strong opinions about a randomly selected member of the congressional Republican caucus and wouldn’t notice Graham if they sat three seats from him in an airport lounge.


    But the fact that these rumors have been dogging him for a number of years would suggest that lots of people who aren't internet blowhards have noticed it as well.

    And if so many people have noticed something, and you haven't, have you considered the possibility that your perception is simply lacking?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.

    So I take it that that's a "no". In that case, let me ask. Why is it, Art, that you insist so strongly on being the way that you are?
    , @ben tillman

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he’s a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him.
     
    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    Except you.
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  128. Bill P says:
    @NOTA
    There isn’t an American race, though—there are Americans of every race. The question is how we want to select new Americans. The best ways to do that probably don’t get exactly proportional numbers of people from each race, and almost certainly the best ways for us bring bigger fractions of Norwegians than Haitians.

    If there is no American race (or perhaps in the modern vernacular nationality or ethnicity), then what does that make those of us who actually descend from the people who, you know, created this country in the first place? Britons removed from the old country by some fifteen generations with no country to call their own?

    I think it’s pretty clear that there is in fact an “American” nationality. Everyone else in the world sees it. Why do we deny it here?

    Maybe we aren’t a majority of the US, but I’d bet we’re a plurality, and our culture defines the country. Just open a phonebook in most of the country and it’s plain as day. Most people have names like Smith, Jackson, Johnson, Taylor, Powell, McIntyre, Lee, Jones, etc. I’d say these people are what one would call ethnically “American.”

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    Not being a "real" race never stopped the Qing or the Cossacks, who had a strong pseudo-ethnic identity that was nevertheless confected (and so tolerated newcomers -- provided those newcomers completely assimilated). America's dynamism, homogeneous cultural identity over minimal genetic diversity, and original values actually comport a great deal with Cossacks (not so much the Qing). This is a pretty common historical phenomenon, letting dynamism and cultural homogeneity support the national edifice without the pillar of blutsanteilung. Removing more pillars is not advisable.
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  129. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he's a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him. While you're at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he's a bachelor, not because there's much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.


    Don’t you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.

    While you’re at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he’s a bachelor, not because there’s much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.

    The question, though, is whether or not this is correct. Because this is your argument:

    No, internet blowhards who pretend they’re anthropologists find that. Actual ‘working class straight guys’ generally don’t follow public affairs or have strong opinions about a randomly selected member of the congressional Republican caucus and wouldn’t notice Graham if they sat three seats from him in an airport lounge.

    But the fact that these rumors have been dogging him for a number of years would suggest that lots of people who aren’t internet blowhards have noticed it as well.

    And if so many people have noticed something, and you haven’t, have you considered the possibility that your perception is simply lacking?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.

    So I take it that that’s a “no”. In that case, let me ask. Why is it, Art, that you insist so strongly on being the way that you are?

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  130. @Achmed E. Newman
    Bullcrap. He strikes S. Carolinians as very effeminate and most certainly gay, though he is from Charleston where lots of times the accent just sounds kind of effeminate. That helps him fit in.

    People in S. Carolina vote for this man because they don't care enough to vote in the primaries, and after that, he is the proper check box: [] - R. That's all. He is not flaming gay, and that is good enough people in the South, so long as he's got that "R".

    Miss Lindsey is from about as far as one can be from Charleston and still remain within the confines of South Carolina.

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    You are right, Tonto. I'd always thought he was from the low country. I may be thinking of Hollings.. being from Charleston, I mean.
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  131. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco
    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he'd have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he's an old bachelor, not because there's anything about his history or personal tastes or manners that you'd notice.
    "Queer as a 3 dollar bill" is Johnny Weir.

    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

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    Both, I daresay. Also known as Art Deco Face.
    , @Art Deco
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    This guy?

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/theview/180108_view_graham_fire_1121.jpg
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  132. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I still can’t get over how South Korea went from being a totally destroyed peasant nation in 1953, to one of the world’s foremost high-end economies in less than half a century.”

    Might this just have a little to do with the US military being there for over half a century, averaging probably near 40 thousand combat troops each year (down from over a quarter million in the war years) and the US spending more than just a little money on them and investing in the logistics of South Korea?

    I believe what pulled Japan into rapid recoery from WWII in the 50s was supplying the US military in the Korean war with all sorts of logistics, including ships.

    United States Forces Korea

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    That's definitely a factor but the Koreans also had unapologetic bootstrap protectionism for a long time.
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  133. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?

    Yes, I first noticed that in photos of Roy Cohn.

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  134. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I’d say these people are what one would call ethnically “American.””

    Some say the Scoth-Irish (Ulster-Scots, Ulstermen, Borderers, whatever), without a particular ethnic name, were the first to call themselves simply “American”, because that’s where they were.

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  135. @Art Deco
    Then you probably need to hang with men sometime, because working class straight guys find males with Graham’s behaviors queerish or fairy like and hence repulsive.

    No, internet blowhards who pretend they're anthropologists find that. Actual 'working class straight guys' generally don't follow public affairs or have strong opinions about a randomly selected member of the congressional Republican caucus and wouldn't notice Graham if they sat three seats from him in an airport lounge. They wouldn't because he's just another fat old man in a business suit. For effect, the lot of you pretend he's Halston. He obviously isn't, but that doesn't stop you from being an ass.

    Graham never met a camera he didn’t like. People see him on CNN in those airport lounges. They may not recognize his name, but they’d know his face.

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  136. @International Jew
    You can acknowledge that America is an idea (more fairly, a collection of related ideas), and still not welcome people who, based on their country's prevailing culture, are unlikely to share those ideas.

    Take any of the ideas dearest to our liberals, and you'll find it's in short supply around Latin America, the Muslim world or Africa.

    I agree that America is a nation, but probably commenters on this blog take the “America is not an idea” too far. There was a lot of abstraction in the founding and idealism in the citizenry throughout time.

    Better to counter the left’s narrative with the historically more accurate: “to the extent America is an idea, its idea is freedom, not diversity.” There are ample cultural artifacts to support this, like our previous National Anthem:

    My country, ’tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing;
    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims’ pride,
    From ev’ry mountainside
    Let freedom ring!

    It’s not blood and soil, it’s blood, soil, and freedom. But it’s freedom, not diversity.

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    It’s not blood and soil, it’s blood, soil, and freedom. But it’s freedom, not diversity.
     
    The really important thing to take away from those lyrics is that there is indeed a blood and soil aspect.
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  137. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Bill P
    If there is no American race (or perhaps in the modern vernacular nationality or ethnicity), then what does that make those of us who actually descend from the people who, you know, created this country in the first place? Britons removed from the old country by some fifteen generations with no country to call their own?

    I think it's pretty clear that there is in fact an "American" nationality. Everyone else in the world sees it. Why do we deny it here?

    Maybe we aren't a majority of the US, but I'd bet we're a plurality, and our culture defines the country. Just open a phonebook in most of the country and it's plain as day. Most people have names like Smith, Jackson, Johnson, Taylor, Powell, McIntyre, Lee, Jones, etc. I'd say these people are what one would call ethnically "American."

    Not being a “real” race never stopped the Qing or the Cossacks, who had a strong pseudo-ethnic identity that was nevertheless confected (and so tolerated newcomers — provided those newcomers completely assimilated). America’s dynamism, homogeneous cultural identity over minimal genetic diversity, and original values actually comport a great deal with Cossacks (not so much the Qing). This is a pretty common historical phenomenon, letting dynamism and cultural homogeneity support the national edifice without the pillar of blutsanteilung. Removing more pillars is not advisable.

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  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    Both, I daresay. Also known as Art Deco Face.

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  139. MEH 0910 says:

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    Gay baiting is righteous if a liberal does it to a Republican!
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  140. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    If America is an “idea” and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can’t they just have the idea in their own countries?
     
    Indeed. One of the great things about ideas is that they are, you know, non-corporeal. In order to learn Maxwell's equations people don't have to physically go to the UK; they just have to read a book.

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American "idea," a simple solution suggests itself: Go to the library and read the Constitution. For extra credit, take a gander at The Federalist Papers.

    Of course, some bold theorists have speculated that ideas are actually physical things. For example, note the Afrocentrists and their notion that Black Africa is backward because Europeans stole Black ideas....

    So, if foreigners want to possess the American “idea,” a simple solution suggests itself:

    Spend $1 trillion bringing it to them at the end of the barrel of a gun?

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  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous
    "I still can’t get over how South Korea went from being a totally destroyed peasant nation in 1953, to one of the world’s foremost high-end economies in less than half a century."

    Might this just have a little to do with the US military being there for over half a century, averaging probably near 40 thousand combat troops each year (down from over a quarter million in the war years) and the US spending more than just a little money on them and investing in the logistics of South Korea?

    I believe what pulled Japan into rapid recoery from WWII in the 50s was supplying the US military in the Korean war with all sorts of logistics, including ships.

    United States Forces Korea

    That’s definitely a factor but the Koreans also had unapologetic bootstrap protectionism for a long time.

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    And the US government went along with it, just like they did for Japan, to the detriment of many American jobs.
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  142. @neutral
    Seriously do any of these Conservative Inc. morons ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for? I cannot believe they are all this stupid, so they are even worse, they are outright cowards to not admit the blatant truth.

    “I cannot believe they are all this stupid”

    What evidence would convince you? ;-)

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  143. @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone that light in the loafers, excuse me, dock-siders has got to have muliple secrets that can and will be used to get him to do whatever Mr. Adelson wants. He's big on stopping internet gambling and increasing immigration, oh, and fighting the terrarists over there. What all that has to do with the people of South Carolina is a big mystery. What all that has to do with one gambling mogul in Las Vegas is a much smaller mystery.

    What a piece of necocon scum Ms. Grahamnesty is!

    I regard Graham as living proof that vote fraud is what determines elections. No conservative would vote for this ninny, yet he has a lock on a senate seat.

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  144. Lurker says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Isn't the Derb from Lincolnshire? Maybe he can bring some local knowledge to the discussion.

    I think he’s from nearby Northamptonshire.

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  145. @bomag

    ever notice which party the non whites overwhelmingly vote for?
     
    Graham et al think that one day they will get the non-white vote if they act and speak in a way that soothes their critics on the left.

    This isn’t a case of pandering for votes from democrat voters. Graham makes these asinine statements to keep his seat. The dems in charge of the party don’t bother to challenge the vote totals when he wins. They don’t need to. He’s on their side despite his party affiliation.

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  146. @Mr. Anon

    No, he strikes internet blowhards that way. If he struck ordinary voters that way, he’d have had much more trouble with the South Carolina electorate. Graham takes flak because he’s an old bachelor....
     
    No, he strikes most normal men as gay. Maybe he doesn't strike you that way because you are also an old bachelor. And if a definition of "internet blowhard" were needed, the term "Art Deco" would suffice.

    The term that A/D refused to use is “confirmed bachelor”, which is the old standard euphemism for “queer as a three dollar bill”.

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    The term that A/D refused to use is “confirmed bachelor”, which is the old standard euphemism for “queer as a three dollar bill”.
     
    Yes, well AD is a confirmed nitwit.
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  147. Lurker says:

    Is there a more discriminated-against group in American history than immigrants from Boston, Lincolnshire, England?

    Grimsby, Licolnshire was discriminated against by Sacha Baron Cohen and his pile-of-crap, anti-white film “Grimsby”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsby_(film)

    Good news – looks like it achieved an tidy $10 million loss.

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    George Saunders' critique of Borat is one of the most beautiful and complete literary exterminations in history, and all he does is very patiently state inarguably true or overwhelmingly likely things (did the old man who was tricked into wearing a dildo on his injured arm cry when the trick was explained to him later? Would somebody with fewer unearned Hollywood connections have been able to make this movie?). In the very few times when he has been in the vein to try, Cohen has proven to be a gifted actor. He just chooses to be a cartoon of arrogance most of the time.
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  148. Big Bill says:
    @Anonymous
    someone pointed out that Google is guessing that users mean to query "African-American inventors". If you query "US inventors," Google returns all white except for George Washington Carver who improved the peanut. The others are Edison (phonograph, electric light, etc.), Samuel Morse (telegraph), Tesla (A/C motor), Eli Whitney (cotton gin) and Alexander Graham Bell (telephone).

    [E]xcept for George Washington Carver who improved the peanut.

    Do tell.

    Pray, what were his peanut improvements?

    Top hat, white gloves, walking stick, monocle and spats?

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  149. @David In TN
    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?

    Graham made that assumption because, since Trump was speaking the language of the American heterosexual male, Graham had no idea what he was saying.

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  150. @Mr. Anon
    Blackmail would explain the actions of a lot of congressmen. You need a stick to go along with the carrot. I have always assumed that Graham was blackmailable and was in fact being blackmailed. Perhaps, after a while, Stockholm syndrome sets in, and they just instinctively know what to do to keep their masters happy.

    You need a stick to go along with the carrot.

    So you can tamp it in.

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  151. Big Bill says:
    @Art Deco
    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018


    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.




    Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere.


    IOW, evidence inconvenient to your thesis is an illusion.

    As for 'rot'. all notable categories of violent crime occur at lower rates than they did 25 years ago. Robbery occurs more frequently than needs be but it's incidence is about what it was 5o years ago. Same deal with homicide. Burglary and auto theft are no more common than they were ca. 1962.


    As for the decay in family relations, marital attrition rates in China and the affluent Far East aren't as bad as they are in the occident, but 'not as bad' means about 1/3 lower and on a par with a selection of European countries. China's total fertility rate is depressed (1.57) and as low as the European mean. Did you catch this news item:

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-unwed-mothers-korean-war-armistice/1710042.html


    I'm not expecting China to miss out on the anomie that has hit every affluent country, even countries which had vigorous cultural buttresses against it (Quebec, Ireland, and now Malta).

    >Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018
    >>Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.

    The wealth of Detroit has trebled in a half century? But for some reason Detroit is bankrupt, infrastructure collapsed, water leaks everywhere, many hundreds of fire hydrants broken and unusable, a mere handful of working ambulances left, 40+ percent of residents not paying property taxes (or water bills!), police response time to emergency calls taking hours, etc.

    Your statistics are truly amazing. Did Bill Gates, La Zuck and Warren Buffett move to Detroit and boost the numerator? Or (more likely) did everyone with sense leave Detroit and eviscerate the “per capita” denominator?

    Inquiring minds wish to know.

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    The wealth of Detroit has trebled in a half century? But for some reason Detroit is bankrupt, infrastructure collapsed, water leaks everywhere, many hundreds of fire hydrants broken and unusable, a mere handful of working ambulances left, 40+ percent of residents not paying property taxes (or water bills!), police response time to emergency calls taking hours, etc.

    No, the per capita income of the country as a whole. The other chap was gaming around cherry-picking Detroit. Detroit's been for decades the most economically troubled 1st tier city in the country.

    That aside, you seem to identify the metropolis (which is a dense settlement of 4 million) with its core municipality, where about 18% of the total population lives. There are over 100 municipalities in greater Detroit. Detroit's unusual because intra-metropolitan migration have left the core municipality almost coterminous with the urban slums. If you went to most any other grand metropolis in the country, carved out a new municipality which just consisted of slum neighborhoods, and sent said new municipality on it's way, you'd likely see metrics like the City of Detroit's. New York City's slums have a much higher quality of life. They're also in what amounts to a trusteeship run by politicians from the better parts of town. Unlike most cities, those politicians know what they're doing and care about performance (which is why the homicide rate in the South Bronx is 1/6th of the homicide rate in Detroit).
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  152. Lurker says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    If America is an "idea" and has nothing to do with race, why do immigrants have to come here? Can't they just have the idea in their own countries?

    Concise and superb!

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  153. I think Trump misspoke, which people from Queens County are well-known for. He obviously referred to the Sithole family of Africa, most likely Moses, the ABC Killer.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sithole-moses.htm

    The more stable Ndabaningi Sithole is another possibility.

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  154. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lurker

    Is there a more discriminated-against group in American history than immigrants from Boston, Lincolnshire, England?
     
    Grimsby, Licolnshire was discriminated against by Sacha Baron Cohen and his pile-of-crap, anti-white film "Grimsby".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsby_(film)

    Good news - looks like it achieved an tidy $10 million loss.

    George Saunders’ critique of Borat is one of the most beautiful and complete literary exterminations in history, and all he does is very patiently state inarguably true or overwhelmingly likely things (did the old man who was tricked into wearing a dildo on his injured arm cry when the trick was explained to him later? Would somebody with fewer unearned Hollywood connections have been able to make this movie?). In the very few times when he has been in the vein to try, Cohen has proven to be a gifted actor. He just chooses to be a cartoon of arrogance most of the time.

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    George Saunders’ critique of Borat is one of the most beautiful and complete literary exterminations in history

    I just read it and it was really good. What what really surprised me was how the New Yorker actually pointed out that he never made fun of blacks or gays in the movie. I don't feel like they'd admit that sort of thing today.

    Incidentally, what I always noticed about Borat was how little a reaction he really got. The driving instructor, for example, didn't really react much at all. I feel like he must have had a harder time getting people to freak out or be racist than he let on, because he would have replaced that with a better scene, if it was so easy for him.
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  155. @Alfa158
    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?

    I’ve noticed that gays tend to have that big toothy smile when they pose, as if they were still 8 year old boys. Any theories?

    For the same reason masseurs show off their arms:

    They get the job done!

    https://www.wikihow.com/Show-off-Your-Muscles-Without-It-Seeming-Intentional

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  156. gunner29 says:
    @Art Deco
    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018


    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.




    Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere.


    IOW, evidence inconvenient to your thesis is an illusion.

    As for 'rot'. all notable categories of violent crime occur at lower rates than they did 25 years ago. Robbery occurs more frequently than needs be but it's incidence is about what it was 5o years ago. Same deal with homicide. Burglary and auto theft are no more common than they were ca. 1962.


    As for the decay in family relations, marital attrition rates in China and the affluent Far East aren't as bad as they are in the occident, but 'not as bad' means about 1/3 lower and on a par with a selection of European countries. China's total fertility rate is depressed (1.57) and as low as the European mean. Did you catch this news item:

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-unwed-mothers-korean-war-armistice/1710042.html


    I'm not expecting China to miss out on the anomie that has hit every affluent country, even countries which had vigorous cultural buttresses against it (Quebec, Ireland, and now Malta).

    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.

    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from…

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    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from…

    The statistics actually comes from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    Yes, you get more output with the same or fewer inputs, that's manifest in production and income statistics. (The employment-to-population ratio is as we speak higher than it was in 1972, btw).
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  157. @Jack D
    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans, not to mention various revolutions, etc. too so it's not like the course of Western history was always on an upward trajectory either.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England - we don't need any of your stuff, we have our own stuff. Unfortunately for China, soon after Qian Long died, the wheels came off their empire just at the time when the West was taking off. Since the Chinese emperor was more or less an absolute dictator, the quality of the guy at the top made a big difference - a bad or weak emperor could do a lot of damage.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England

    There was contact between China and the West because our ships were then able to circumnavigate the globe on a regular basis. This was helped by clocks to allow ships to determine longitude and the discovery of the cause of scurvy.

    The King of England telling the Chinese Emperor we don’t want Chinese ships trading at English ports would make for a better case of European backwardness.

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  158. Mr. Anon says:
    @International Jew
    I'm saying, even if you acknowledge it, Lindsey Graham is wrong.

    I’m saying, even if you acknowledge it, Lindsey Graham is wrong.

    And – again – one cannot acknowledge what is not true. Perhaps what you meant is “even if you assert it………..”. Assert and Acknowledge are not the same thing.

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  159. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    He’s a JAG. They are lawyers, not warriors.

    Strange as it may seem to you, there are people in the military in desk jobs.

    Strange as it may seem to you, there are people in the military in desk jobs.

    Yes, I am aware of that, you prating, pompous ass. None-the-less, my question still stands: do most soldiers even respect JAG officers?

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  160. Mr. Anon says:
    @Twodees Partain
    The term that A/D refused to use is "confirmed bachelor", which is the old standard euphemism for "queer as a three dollar bill".

    The term that A/D refused to use is “confirmed bachelor”, which is the old standard euphemism for “queer as a three dollar bill”.

    Yes, well AD is a confirmed nitwit.

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  161. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018


    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.




    Sure superficially the GDP numbers get bigger every year but the rot is everywhere.


    IOW, evidence inconvenient to your thesis is an illusion.

    As for 'rot'. all notable categories of violent crime occur at lower rates than they did 25 years ago. Robbery occurs more frequently than needs be but it's incidence is about what it was 5o years ago. Same deal with homicide. Burglary and auto theft are no more common than they were ca. 1962.


    As for the decay in family relations, marital attrition rates in China and the affluent Far East aren't as bad as they are in the occident, but 'not as bad' means about 1/3 lower and on a par with a selection of European countries. China's total fertility rate is depressed (1.57) and as low as the European mean. Did you catch this news item:

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/china-unwed-mothers-korean-war-armistice/1710042.html


    I'm not expecting China to miss out on the anomie that has hit every affluent country, even countries which had vigorous cultural buttresses against it (Quebec, Ireland, and now Malta).

    This is a high point, even for you. Now you’re claiming that Detroit is not an exceptional city (in the sense of being exceptionally, bad that is). Have you ever been there? Or even just seen pictures? Have you ever been anywhere outside of the library you work in?

    Clown.

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  162. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The Wall Street Journal ran an article yesterday about how Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid $130k in hush money to some porn star who had an affair with Trump. Cohen denies paying any money to any woman, the woman herself denies it, the bank can not provide any corroboration, etc., etc., but that doesn’t stop the WSJ from running the story with second-hand unnamed sources. WSJ has zero credibility.

    WSJ has zero credibility.

    ECONOMIST disease.

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  163. @Jack D
    The West experienced a 1,000 year Dark Age after the Romans, not to mention various revolutions, etc. too so it's not like the course of Western history was always on an upward trajectory either.

    As late as 1793, the Chinese Emperor was able to write, with some justification (and the power to back his words) a letter politely saying F. U. to the King of England - we don't need any of your stuff, we have our own stuff. Unfortunately for China, soon after Qian Long died, the wheels came off their empire just at the time when the West was taking off. Since the Chinese emperor was more or less an absolute dictator, the quality of the guy at the top made a big difference - a bad or weak emperor could do a lot of damage.

    When China was declining they had a big problem with people taking opium. Who’s taking opiates now?

    It seems to me that the Chinese took opium everywhere they went outside of China, and were noted for their industry and their tenacity, to the point that barriers against taking in more of them were enacted into law, because of opposition from locals concerned about the competition. Smoking opium is a lot like smoking pot. In China, opium was probably more of a talking point, a scapegoat, for the disasters, natural and man-made alike, that struck China in the 19th and 20th centuries. Whereas the current opioid epidemic consists of something that did not exist back then – a distilled form of opium that simultaneously provides a much more intense high as well as a high risk of death by overdose.

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  164. @Anonymous

    And why does Graham assume Trump was referring to race?
     
    Graham knows full well Trump wasn't referring to race. But he saw an opportunity to score some MSM Pokemon Points of his own, which is hard when you're a white male. What is in the water in South Carolina? I've been wondering for many years now.

    “What’s in the water in South Carolina.”

    The “conservative” South Carolina voters fall over themselves to send him to the Senate every six years. All he has to do with such people is talk about god and “oppose abortion.”

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  165. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    George Saunders' critique of Borat is one of the most beautiful and complete literary exterminations in history, and all he does is very patiently state inarguably true or overwhelmingly likely things (did the old man who was tricked into wearing a dildo on his injured arm cry when the trick was explained to him later? Would somebody with fewer unearned Hollywood connections have been able to make this movie?). In the very few times when he has been in the vein to try, Cohen has proven to be a gifted actor. He just chooses to be a cartoon of arrogance most of the time.

    George Saunders’ critique of Borat is one of the most beautiful and complete literary exterminations in history

    I just read it and it was really good. What what really surprised me was how the New Yorker actually pointed out that he never made fun of blacks or gays in the movie. I don’t feel like they’d admit that sort of thing today.

    Incidentally, what I always noticed about Borat was how little a reaction he really got. The driving instructor, for example, didn’t really react much at all. I feel like he must have had a harder time getting people to freak out or be racist than he let on, because he would have replaced that with a better scene, if it was so easy for him.

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  166. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Miss Lindsey is from about as far as one can be from Charleston and still remain within the confines of South Carolina.

    You are right, Tonto. I’d always thought he was from the low country. I may be thinking of Hollings.. being from Charleston, I mean.

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  167. MarkinLA says:
    @J.Ross
    That's definitely a factor but the Koreans also had unapologetic bootstrap protectionism for a long time.

    And the US government went along with it, just like they did for Japan, to the detriment of many American jobs.

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    Nevertheless it brought us an important in-region ally, bulgogi, soju, and Hyuna.
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  168. @Art Deco
    countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. T

    Do you have a macro which produces these inanities? There are no dictators, there are no puppets, there are no 'CIA installed' regimes (run by puppets or no), the U.S. Government was an antagonist of the 'death squads' which were run by freebooters in the Salvadorean rural constabulary, and the civil wars in Central America have been over for 25 years.

    Peter Dale Scott’s Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1993) goes into detail on the partnership between the CIA and Mafia, brokered by John Roselli, to make Honduras essentially a plantation for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s. United Fruit, like Pepsi-Cola, served as a cover for CIA officers. As I’m sure you know, the relationship between American intelligence and the Mafia goes back to World War 2 (OSS and Naval Intelligence).
    In 1979, Jimmy Carter aided and assisted a military-backed coup in El Salvador. A network of CIA and Army Special Forces “freebooters” who worked together on the Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War were contracted by the Agency to assist the new Salvadoran military government in cleaning out the communists. This led to the death squads.

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  169. @Art Deco
    Do you actually believe the things you say? That, for example, nobody except for a few thousand people reading sites like iSteve has ever thought Graham is gay?

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he's a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him. While you're at it, keep track of my argument stated in plain terms above: Graham catches flak because he's a bachelor, not because there's much out of the ordinary about how he carries himself.


    Don’t you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you insist so strongly on being the way you are?

    A number of you are most irritated that someone takes exception to your latest round of nonsense. Suck it up kid.

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he’s a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him.

    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    Except you.

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    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    No, everyone in this combox, and you're all strking attitudes and trash talking.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Art Deco also didn't think that Paul Lynde seemed effeminate and homosexual.

    He's not the most observant guy.
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  170. Art Deco says:
    @JMcG
    It’s just what they feel will work here. When Alan Shatter was Justice Minister in Ireland, he said that because Ireland had always been a nation of emigrants, it had a duty to accept immigrants from all nations.
    No consistency is needed. Stop looking for anything except a lust for power as a reason for their actions.

    Is it a ‘lust for power’ in Ireland? Or is it jonesing for status? What one sees of the public utterances of the Irish chatterati suggest a bourgeois crew embarrassed by the vernacular and historic culture of their country conjoined to a desire to destroy that culture. (A familiar pose, I knew).

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  171. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Here:

    Why would someone in that position remain a bachelor, or if nothing else, have not been seen with some real hotties?
     
    You're not Miss Lindsey, are you, or an intern or what-not? I mean, your job's safe, if so... not to worry.

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.

    This doesn’t require much imagination. Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he’s blowing people in public toilets.

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    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.
     
    Does this all strike too close to home, Art? Remind you of someone, perhaps?

    Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he’s blowing people in public toilets.
     
    Who ever mentioned that? Projection, Art? Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    You haven't seen many politicians up close, have you, Mr. Deco? I ask that seriously. I just assume every one of them at the high levels is and immoral psychopath. Normally, you can't go wrong with this assumption. Show me one exception and I'll give you ... no, wait ... I"ll tell you his name; it's Dr. Ron Paul of Texas.

    I can understand not wanting to get married for the reasons you state, but then there's no reason this guy wouldn't have had a bunch of women around him. The women like that power that a US Senator has, and it would be hard for an average man to resist them, much less a politician, aka, psychopath. I don't imagine him in the toilets blowing people. I really don't want to know what it is, but any gay guy who is not a complete flamer will have lots of secrets. Lots of people will do whatever it takes for these secrets to remain secrets.

    Defend Ms. Grahmnesty any way you want, A.D. I think this guy does only harm to his fellow S. Carolinians and the rest of the nation, and there's probably a good reason behind that. Most of these people are not stupid (the white guys, I mean - look up Rep. Hank Johnson/Island of Guam on youtube for a display of Peak Stupidity, higher-office-style).
    , @MEH 0910

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone.
     
    I can see that describing someone like, say, bookish retired Supreme Court Justice David Souter, but Senator Graham has a gay looking face. The man looks queer. I can understand why there would be aspersions cast about him.
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  172. Art Deco says:
    @BB753
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    This guy?

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    Likelier he's a no-T sexless neuter than an active homosexual just based on appearance.
    , @BB753
    What can I say? Homos age badly.
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  173. Art Deco says:
    @Big Bill

    >Compare Detroit 1958 to Detroit 2018
    >>Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.
     
    The wealth of Detroit has trebled in a half century? But for some reason Detroit is bankrupt, infrastructure collapsed, water leaks everywhere, many hundreds of fire hydrants broken and unusable, a mere handful of working ambulances left, 40+ percent of residents not paying property taxes (or water bills!), police response time to emergency calls taking hours, etc.

    Your statistics are truly amazing. Did Bill Gates, La Zuck and Warren Buffett move to Detroit and boost the numerator? Or (more likely) did everyone with sense leave Detroit and eviscerate the "per capita" denominator?

    Inquiring minds wish to know.

    The wealth of Detroit has trebled in a half century? But for some reason Detroit is bankrupt, infrastructure collapsed, water leaks everywhere, many hundreds of fire hydrants broken and unusable, a mere handful of working ambulances left, 40+ percent of residents not paying property taxes (or water bills!), police response time to emergency calls taking hours, etc.

    No, the per capita income of the country as a whole. The other chap was gaming around cherry-picking Detroit. Detroit’s been for decades the most economically troubled 1st tier city in the country.

    That aside, you seem to identify the metropolis (which is a dense settlement of 4 million) with its core municipality, where about 18% of the total population lives. There are over 100 municipalities in greater Detroit. Detroit’s unusual because intra-metropolitan migration have left the core municipality almost coterminous with the urban slums. If you went to most any other grand metropolis in the country, carved out a new municipality which just consisted of slum neighborhoods, and sent said new municipality on it’s way, you’d likely see metrics like the City of Detroit’s. New York City’s slums have a much higher quality of life. They’re also in what amounts to a trusteeship run by politicians from the better parts of town. Unlike most cities, those politicians know what they’re doing and care about performance (which is why the homicide rate in the South Bronx is 1/6th of the homicide rate in Detroit).

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  174. Art Deco says:
    @ben tillman

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he’s a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him.
     
    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    Except you.

    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    No, everyone in this combox, and you’re all strking attitudes and trash talking.

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  175. Art Deco says:
    @gunner29

    Domestic product per capita in real terms has trebled since 1958.
     
    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from...

    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from…

    The statistics actually comes from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    Yes, you get more output with the same or fewer inputs, that’s manifest in production and income statistics. (The employment-to-population ratio is as we speak higher than it was in 1972, btw).

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    You come up with a lot of facts that you don't understand to try to prove your points. It doesn't always work.

    1972 was before lots of women entered the work force, thus helping to destroy the nuclear family, BTW (that's another point). They were the big reason for the rise of this ratio. The filled jobs to working-age-population has been sliding steadily since the beginning of the recession we are still in (don't give me Dow Jones ), but along with that, the quality of the jobs is much lower than in any time in the past. Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs. The picture is pretty bleak, but then I'll write more in the appropriate thread - Mr. Sailer has one on the economy, as I write this.
    , @Johann Ricke

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone.
     
    We're in a hyper-sexualized age when this is unimaginable to some, but it's possible that Graham isn't particularly interested in boffing either men or women. My impression is that while more prevalent (although not universal) among men of the cloth and people in the technical professions, asexuality has a long and storied history, alongside misanthropy, misogyny and misandry.
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  176. Mr. Anon says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I agree that America is a nation, but probably commenters on this blog take the "America is not an idea" too far. There was a lot of abstraction in the founding and idealism in the citizenry throughout time.

    Better to counter the left's narrative with the historically more accurate: "to the extent America is an idea, its idea is freedom, not diversity." There are ample cultural artifacts to support this, like our previous National Anthem:

    My country, 'tis of thee,
    Sweet land of liberty,
    Of thee I sing;
    Land where my fathers died,
    Land of the pilgrims' pride,
    From ev'ry mountainside
    Let freedom ring!

    It's not blood and soil, it's blood, soil, and freedom. But it's freedom, not diversity.

    It’s not blood and soil, it’s blood, soil, and freedom. But it’s freedom, not diversity.

    The really important thing to take away from those lyrics is that there is indeed a blood and soil aspect.

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  177. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    For any number of reasons. He's socially awkward, his equipment doesn't work, he's not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn't all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.


    This doesn't require much imagination. Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he's blowing people in public toilets.

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.

    Does this all strike too close to home, Art? Remind you of someone, perhaps?

    Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he’s blowing people in public toilets.

    Who ever mentioned that? Projection, Art? Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.

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  178. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Not sure what you have against Haley and Scott, who are fairly standard-issue Republicans.


    As for Lindsay Graham, he’s every bit as straight as Jim Nabors…

    You sucked him?

    Not sure what you have against Haley and Scott, who are fairly standard-issue Republicans.

    Well, Haley is an adultress for starters. She also proved herself to be alien to the people and traditions of South Carolina. Just another cynical Republican politician on the make.

    You sucked him?

    Again – this seems to be getting a little personal for you. We don’t want to know about your inner fantasy life.

    Whatever it might be.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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    Well, Haley is an adultress for starters.

    No, Haley was accused of it.



    Again – this seems to be getting a little personal for you.

    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don't blog about home or work.
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  179. @Art Deco
    For any number of reasons. He's socially awkward, his equipment doesn't work, he's not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn't all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.


    This doesn't require much imagination. Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he's blowing people in public toilets.

    You haven’t seen many politicians up close, have you, Mr. Deco? I ask that seriously. I just assume every one of them at the high levels is and immoral psychopath. Normally, you can’t go wrong with this assumption. Show me one exception and I’ll give you … no, wait … I”ll tell you his name; it’s Dr. Ron Paul of Texas.

    I can understand not wanting to get married for the reasons you state, but then there’s no reason this guy wouldn’t have had a bunch of women around him. The women like that power that a US Senator has, and it would be hard for an average man to resist them, much less a politician, aka, psychopath. I don’t imagine him in the toilets blowing people. I really don’t want to know what it is, but any gay guy who is not a complete flamer will have lots of secrets. Lots of people will do whatever it takes for these secrets to remain secrets.

    Defend Ms. Grahmnesty any way you want, A.D. I think this guy does only harm to his fellow S. Carolinians and the rest of the nation, and there’s probably a good reason behind that. Most of these people are not stupid (the white guys, I mean – look up Rep. Hank Johnson/Island of Guam on youtube for a display of Peak Stupidity, higher-office-style).

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    You haven’t seen many politicians up close, have you, Mr. Deco? I ask that seriously.

    I was involved in local party politics a generation ago on a volunteer basis. I ran across a range of human types therein. The shadiest character I can remember was Gov. Cuomo's pal Jerry Weiss. I have one friend who's a congressional aide.



    I can understand not wanting to get married for the reasons you state, but then there’s no reason this guy wouldn’t have had a bunch of women around him. T

    You keep projecting on Graham (and, implicitly others) your own objects or what you think you should present as your own objects. He's not you. He's not your image of yourself, either. He's also a fat 62 year old man.
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  180. @Art Deco
    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from…

    The statistics actually comes from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    Yes, you get more output with the same or fewer inputs, that's manifest in production and income statistics. (The employment-to-population ratio is as we speak higher than it was in 1972, btw).

    You come up with a lot of facts that you don’t understand to try to prove your points. It doesn’t always work.

    1972 was before lots of women entered the work force, thus helping to destroy the nuclear family, BTW (that’s another point). They were the big reason for the rise of this ratio. The filled jobs to working-age-population has been sliding steadily since the beginning of the recession we are still in (don’t give me Dow Jones ), but along with that, the quality of the jobs is much lower than in any time in the past. Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs. The picture is pretty bleak, but then I’ll write more in the appropriate thread – Mr. Sailer has one on the economy, as I write this.

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    About 1/4 of the non-agricultural workforce was female in 1930. About 1/3 was in 1957. It's about 47% today and hasn't changed in a generation. The one notable change you've seen in the intervening years has been the movement of women into professional-managerial jobs, which amount to about 15% of the workforce.
    , @Art Deco
    Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs.

    Multiple jobholders account for about 5% of the working population.
    , @Mr. Anon

    You come up with a lot of facts that you don’t understand to try to prove your points. It doesn’t always work.
     
    It never works. Art Deco is a not-very-bright pedant, but he makes up for it by being smug and repellant.
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  181. @Art Deco
    countries like El Salvador and Honduras where, since the 1950s, the CIA has been busy installing puppet dictators and death squads to make the region safe for American corporations. T

    Do you have a macro which produces these inanities? There are no dictators, there are no puppets, there are no 'CIA installed' regimes (run by puppets or no), the U.S. Government was an antagonist of the 'death squads' which were run by freebooters in the Salvadorean rural constabulary, and the civil wars in Central America have been over for 25 years.

    The last chapter in Douglas Valentine’s The Phoenix Program (1990) details where some American veterans of Phoenix landed after the war. In 1979, after a military coup supported by the Carter administration, these CIA officers and Green Berets created Phoenix-like indigenous units to go into the civilian population of El Salvador and root out the communists. These were death squads, just like in Vietnam.

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    I'm not interested in Douglas Valentine's fantasies, either.
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  182. Gunner says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/951258218910633984

    Gay baiting is righteous if a liberal does it to a Republican!

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  183. @Art Deco
    I was working in a Ford plant 45 years ago, they were installing machines to eliminate as many union jobs as possible. BUT they did the same or higher output, so that is where your statistic comes from…

    The statistics actually comes from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    Yes, you get more output with the same or fewer inputs, that's manifest in production and income statistics. (The employment-to-population ratio is as we speak higher than it was in 1972, btw).

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone.

    We’re in a hyper-sexualized age when this is unimaginable to some, but it’s possible that Graham isn’t particularly interested in boffing either men or women. My impression is that while more prevalent (although not universal) among men of the cloth and people in the technical professions, asexuality has a long and storied history, alongside misanthropy, misogyny and misandry.

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  184. MEH 0910 says:
    @Art Deco
    For any number of reasons. He's socially awkward, his equipment doesn't work, he's not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn't all that motivated to look for someone. And not every man is jonesing for status derived from having Dolly Parton tits in his vicinity.


    This doesn't require much imagination. Instead, you deploy your imagination to some fantasy that he's blowing people in public toilets.

    For any number of reasons. He’s socially awkward, his equipment doesn’t work, he’s not interested in domestic life, he finds women irritating, or he just never found someone suitable and wasn’t all that motivated to look for someone.

    I can see that describing someone like, say, bookish retired Supreme Court Justice David Souter, but Senator Graham has a gay looking face. The man looks queer. I can understand why there would be aspersions cast about him.

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  185. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You haven't seen many politicians up close, have you, Mr. Deco? I ask that seriously. I just assume every one of them at the high levels is and immoral psychopath. Normally, you can't go wrong with this assumption. Show me one exception and I'll give you ... no, wait ... I"ll tell you his name; it's Dr. Ron Paul of Texas.

    I can understand not wanting to get married for the reasons you state, but then there's no reason this guy wouldn't have had a bunch of women around him. The women like that power that a US Senator has, and it would be hard for an average man to resist them, much less a politician, aka, psychopath. I don't imagine him in the toilets blowing people. I really don't want to know what it is, but any gay guy who is not a complete flamer will have lots of secrets. Lots of people will do whatever it takes for these secrets to remain secrets.

    Defend Ms. Grahmnesty any way you want, A.D. I think this guy does only harm to his fellow S. Carolinians and the rest of the nation, and there's probably a good reason behind that. Most of these people are not stupid (the white guys, I mean - look up Rep. Hank Johnson/Island of Guam on youtube for a display of Peak Stupidity, higher-office-style).

    You haven’t seen many politicians up close, have you, Mr. Deco? I ask that seriously.

    I was involved in local party politics a generation ago on a volunteer basis. I ran across a range of human types therein. The shadiest character I can remember was Gov. Cuomo’s pal Jerry Weiss. I have one friend who’s a congressional aide.

    I can understand not wanting to get married for the reasons you state, but then there’s no reason this guy wouldn’t have had a bunch of women around him. T

    You keep projecting on Graham (and, implicitly others) your own objects or what you think you should present as your own objects. He’s not you. He’s not your image of yourself, either. He’s also a fat 62 year old man.

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  186. Art Deco says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    The last chapter in Douglas Valentine's The Phoenix Program (1990) details where some American veterans of Phoenix landed after the war. In 1979, after a military coup supported by the Carter administration, these CIA officers and Green Berets created Phoenix-like indigenous units to go into the civilian population of El Salvador and root out the communists. These were death squads, just like in Vietnam.

    I’m not interested in Douglas Valentine’s fantasies, either.

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  187. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You come up with a lot of facts that you don't understand to try to prove your points. It doesn't always work.

    1972 was before lots of women entered the work force, thus helping to destroy the nuclear family, BTW (that's another point). They were the big reason for the rise of this ratio. The filled jobs to working-age-population has been sliding steadily since the beginning of the recession we are still in (don't give me Dow Jones ), but along with that, the quality of the jobs is much lower than in any time in the past. Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs. The picture is pretty bleak, but then I'll write more in the appropriate thread - Mr. Sailer has one on the economy, as I write this.

    About 1/4 of the non-agricultural workforce was female in 1930. About 1/3 was in 1957. It’s about 47% today and hasn’t changed in a generation. The one notable change you’ve seen in the intervening years has been the movement of women into professional-managerial jobs, which amount to about 15% of the workforce.

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  188. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You come up with a lot of facts that you don't understand to try to prove your points. It doesn't always work.

    1972 was before lots of women entered the work force, thus helping to destroy the nuclear family, BTW (that's another point). They were the big reason for the rise of this ratio. The filled jobs to working-age-population has been sliding steadily since the beginning of the recession we are still in (don't give me Dow Jones ), but along with that, the quality of the jobs is much lower than in any time in the past. Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs. The picture is pretty bleak, but then I'll write more in the appropriate thread - Mr. Sailer has one on the economy, as I write this.

    Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs.

    Multiple jobholders account for about 5% of the working population.

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  189. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not sure what you have against Haley and Scott, who are fairly standard-issue Republicans.
     
    Well, Haley is an adultress for starters. She also proved herself to be alien to the people and traditions of South Carolina. Just another cynical Republican politician on the make.

    You sucked him?
     
    Again - this seems to be getting a little personal for you. We don't want to know about your inner fantasy life.

    Whatever it might be.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    Well, Haley is an adultress for starters.

    No, Haley was accused of it.

    Again – this seems to be getting a little personal for you.

    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.

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    No, Haley was accused of it.
     
    Yeah - in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    If you were a normal man - which evidently you are not - you would know what that names.


    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.
     
    Replying to you is hardly my project. You are merely a turd that needs to be flushed. You should just go away - it would be a service to everyone here. I am quite normal and emotionally stable. You obviously are not. You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time - only you know anything true. You think that random facts culled from internet searches substitute for actual experience of the world. You think that Steve Sailer - a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues - is invariably wrong, but that everybody really wants to read your insights - you, a socially isolated loser who is so unintereresting that your website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

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  190. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    This guy?

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/theview/180108_view_graham_fire_1121.jpg

    Likelier he’s a no-T sexless neuter than an active homosexual just based on appearance.

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  191. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Well, Haley is an adultress for starters.

    No, Haley was accused of it.



    Again – this seems to be getting a little personal for you.

    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don't blog about home or work.

    No, Haley was accused of it.

    Yeah – in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    If you were a normal man – which evidently you are not – you would know what that names.

    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.

    Replying to you is hardly my project. You are merely a turd that needs to be flushed. You should just go away – it would be a service to everyone here. I am quite normal and emotionally stable. You obviously are not. You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time – only you know anything true. You think that random facts culled from internet searches substitute for actual experience of the world. You think that Steve Sailer – a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues – is invariably wrong, but that everybody really wants to read your insights – you, a socially isolated loser who is so unintereresting that your website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

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    [Art Deco's] website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.
     
    Link? I'm morbidly curious.
    , @Art Deco
    Yeah – in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    Yeah, no plaintiff in a divorce case makes false claims.



    Replying to you is hardly my project.

    Which is why you run your insult tape four or five times a week.



    You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time – only you know anything true.

    No, that's your emotional reaction when I take exception to something. That's your problem, not mine or anyone else's.



    You think that Steve Sailer – a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues – is invariably wrong,

    I think he's sometimes wrong and sometimes not wrong. His general perspective is that the study of society is reducible to psychology and anthropology which is in turn reducible to biology. Or, more precisely, biological factors are the only ones at all interesting and worth discussing. I'm not the only person in the world skeptical of that line of thinking.

    As for what he's made a career of, he's a b-school graduate who worked for McKinsey who's an audodidact on certain subjects. Lot's of other people have background too, some of whom would take strong exception to what he says.
    , @Art Deco
    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

    Thanks, I can feel the love.
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  192. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco
    His facial features are a text-book example of a gay face, bordering on a pedo-face.

    This guy?

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/theview/180108_view_graham_fire_1121.jpg

    What can I say? Homos age badly.

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  193. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    You come up with a lot of facts that you don't understand to try to prove your points. It doesn't always work.

    1972 was before lots of women entered the work force, thus helping to destroy the nuclear family, BTW (that's another point). They were the big reason for the rise of this ratio. The filled jobs to working-age-population has been sliding steadily since the beginning of the recession we are still in (don't give me Dow Jones ), but along with that, the quality of the jobs is much lower than in any time in the past. Lots are part-time service jobs, i.e. waiters, etc., and oftentimes one worker has 2 or more of said jobs. The picture is pretty bleak, but then I'll write more in the appropriate thread - Mr. Sailer has one on the economy, as I write this.

    You come up with a lot of facts that you don’t understand to try to prove your points. It doesn’t always work.

    It never works. Art Deco is a not-very-bright pedant, but he makes up for it by being smug and repellant.

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  194. Mr. Anon says:
    @ben tillman

    Can you all please keep track of what your argument is? The lot of you keep saying any red blooded person who looks at Graham thinks he’s a poof, not that Stephen Colbert makes fun of him.
     
    Everyone who looks at him either thinks he a poof or understands why others do.

    Except you.

    Art Deco also didn’t think that Paul Lynde seemed effeminate and homosexual.

    He’s not the most observant guy.

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    He’s not the most observant guy.

    In introduction to reading comprehension, you'll learn how to interpret my actual statement, which is that in the context of that time, he wasn't thought of that way by casting directors or (implicitly) audiences. Paul Lynde the gay icon is a retrospective imposition. You can verify that by reviewing his roles, all conveniently collated by IMDB and IBDB. People today are obsessed with homosexuality and see it everywhere. They weren't 50 years ago.

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  195. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Art Deco also didn't think that Paul Lynde seemed effeminate and homosexual.

    He's not the most observant guy.

    He’s not the most observant guy.

    In introduction to reading comprehension, you’ll learn how to interpret my actual statement, which is that in the context of that time, he wasn’t thought of that way by casting directors or (implicitly) audiences. Paul Lynde the gay icon is a retrospective imposition. You can verify that by reviewing his roles, all conveniently collated by IMDB and IBDB. People today are obsessed with homosexuality and see it everywhere. They weren’t 50 years ago.

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    Had Lynde been thought of as homosexual by casting directors, what roles would he have been assigned and why?
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  196. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    He’s not the most observant guy.

    In introduction to reading comprehension, you'll learn how to interpret my actual statement, which is that in the context of that time, he wasn't thought of that way by casting directors or (implicitly) audiences. Paul Lynde the gay icon is a retrospective imposition. You can verify that by reviewing his roles, all conveniently collated by IMDB and IBDB. People today are obsessed with homosexuality and see it everywhere. They weren't 50 years ago.

    Had Lynde been thought of as homosexual by casting directors, what roles would he have been assigned and why?

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    The question is what would fit into the character, and that's influenced by the casting director's sense of what the audience is going to see. Paul Lynde was repeatedly cast as a husband and father. That suggests the person making the casting decisions didn't find his mannerisms a hindrance to playing that character.
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  197. FPD72 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Great find! Considering the jokes I’ve heard that involved the damned in hell standing on their heads in sh!t, is it fair to say that for all practical purposes “hell hole” = “sh!t hole?”

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  198. @Mr. Anon

    No, Haley was accused of it.
     
    Yeah - in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    If you were a normal man - which evidently you are not - you would know what that names.


    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.
     
    Replying to you is hardly my project. You are merely a turd that needs to be flushed. You should just go away - it would be a service to everyone here. I am quite normal and emotionally stable. You obviously are not. You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time - only you know anything true. You think that random facts culled from internet searches substitute for actual experience of the world. You think that Steve Sailer - a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues - is invariably wrong, but that everybody really wants to read your insights - you, a socially isolated loser who is so unintereresting that your website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

    [Art Deco's] website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    Link? I’m morbidly curious.

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  199. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No, Haley was accused of it.
     
    Yeah - in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    If you were a normal man - which evidently you are not - you would know what that names.


    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.
     
    Replying to you is hardly my project. You are merely a turd that needs to be flushed. You should just go away - it would be a service to everyone here. I am quite normal and emotionally stable. You obviously are not. You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time - only you know anything true. You think that random facts culled from internet searches substitute for actual experience of the world. You think that Steve Sailer - a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues - is invariably wrong, but that everybody really wants to read your insights - you, a socially isolated loser who is so unintereresting that your website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

    Yeah – in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    Yeah, no plaintiff in a divorce case makes false claims.

    Replying to you is hardly my project.

    Which is why you run your insult tape four or five times a week.

    You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time – only you know anything true.

    No, that’s your emotional reaction when I take exception to something. That’s your problem, not mine or anyone else’s.

    You think that Steve Sailer – a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues – is invariably wrong,

    I think he’s sometimes wrong and sometimes not wrong. His general perspective is that the study of society is reducible to psychology and anthropology which is in turn reducible to biology. Or, more precisely, biological factors are the only ones at all interesting and worth discussing. I’m not the only person in the world skeptical of that line of thinking.

    As for what he’s made a career of, he’s a b-school graduate who worked for McKinsey who’s an audodidact on certain subjects. Lot’s of other people have background too, some of whom would take strong exception to what he says.

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  200. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    Had Lynde been thought of as homosexual by casting directors, what roles would he have been assigned and why?

    The question is what would fit into the character, and that’s influenced by the casting director’s sense of what the audience is going to see. Paul Lynde was repeatedly cast as a husband and father. That suggests the person making the casting decisions didn’t find his mannerisms a hindrance to playing that character.

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  201. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No, Haley was accused of it.
     
    Yeah - in court papers. She was named as the other woman in a divorce case.

    If you were a normal man - which evidently you are not - you would know what that names.


    No, your project is generating fictional versions of me because you have emotional problems and have neuralgic reactions to fairly bland remarks and the people who make them. I don’t blog about home or work.
     
    Replying to you is hardly my project. You are merely a turd that needs to be flushed. You should just go away - it would be a service to everyone here. I am quite normal and emotionally stable. You obviously are not. You think that everybody else is wrong about everything, all the time - only you know anything true. You think that random facts culled from internet searches substitute for actual experience of the world. You think that Steve Sailer - a man who has made a career mining data on real social trends, and who has influenced the national debate about a variety of social issues - is invariably wrong, but that everybody really wants to read your insights - you, a socially isolated loser who is so unintereresting that your website has almost no comments and no posts since 2011.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

    You are an insignificant nobody, and nobody likes you because you are a smug, repellant, loathesome loser.

    Thanks, I can feel the love.

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    And the US government went along with it, just like they did for Japan, to the detriment of many American jobs.

    Nevertheless it brought us an important in-region ally, bulgogi, soju, and Hyuna.

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