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From TechCrunch:

Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan welcome their second daughter, August, into the world

BY JORDAN CROOK 3 hours ago

Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan have welcomed their second daughter into the world, and her name is August. Before you ask, it’s unclear if she was named August because she was born in August. (But I highly doubt it.)

As I mentioned last week, the founder of Facebook is obsessed with Augustus, founder of the Roman Empire:

“I love Rome so much, that when my wife and I got married, We came to Rome on our honeymoon. I made us go to all of these different historical and classical places. So much so, that when we got back and we were looking through the photos, my wife was making fun of me, saying she thought there were three people on the honeymoon: me, her and Augustus. All the photos were different sculptures of Augustus.”

For the sake of their new baby’s future happiness, let me point out t’s probably not too late to change the paperwork: August Zuckerberg sounds like the prosperous owner of a wurst factory or a brewery (as in August Busch).

The name August Zuckerberg is reminiscent of Augustus Gloop, the fat kid in Roald Dahl’s quite nasty (and enduringly popular) Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

By the way, their first daughter is named Maxima, which sounds either like a Roman or a sedan.

These maladroit names could lead to much Crying Among the Farmland.

Naming his daughter, say, Julia after Julius Caesar’s much-admired daughter would have been a low key way for Zuckerberg to indulge his taste for Roman history, without saddling his daughter with a strange, wrong-sex first name.

But giving a girl a girl’s name is sexist, dontchaknow?

Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

By the way, if Mark invites you for a fun flight on the Facebook helicopter, plead airsickness.

 
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  1. Off-topic,

    Steve, any thoughts on reviewing Wolf Warrior 2? It sounds interesting:

    To be clear, it’s not a good movie. It’s flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn’t even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there’s just guileless propaganda. I’m talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them (“I guess the Chinese military isn’t so lame after all!” is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I’m not kidding).

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it’s “America” on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character “big daddy” is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they’ll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I’ve ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don’t worry, they’re shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just “Africa” as if it was one thing. But hey, it’s all just a stand-in for “black” as it’s mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country’s explicit racism against black people.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

    It’s grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624…

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    • Replies: @Hollywood
    OT:

    They're blaming these collisions of our naval vessels on hackers -- or sayings its possible:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/08/23/could-hackers-behind-u-s-navy-collisions/594107001/

    http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-warship-collisions-raise-cyberattack-fears
    , @Joe Stalin
    I assume Wolf Warrior 2 is simply another version of Wolf Warrior. You can probably find the original WW on youtube (I've seen it there before.). It also has the same patriotic allusions and also has a badass white dude that the PRC soldier-hero fights in the end.

    My personal feeling is that PRC now allows for more than one child per family because no mother is willing to expend their only child for the glory of the State; that by doing so they can safely increase patriotic fervor. I think that PRC is preparing for battle; hell, has anyone noticed how modern their military equipment is? And please, none of that "it's just a copy of the Russkie or Western XXX; ipso facto, it's no so hot." PRC is regional superpower.

    On the other hand, "The Siege of Jadotville," (2016-Netflix) , can also be found on youtube. People typically hide the names of movies so that the Kopyright Kops have a harder time finding it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3922798/

    "Irish Commandant Pat Quinlan leads a stand off with troops against French and Belgian Mercenaries in the Congo during the early 1960s."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5J3YfM17e4
    , @Johann Ricke

    It’s grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624…

     

    The Chinese portion of this was $769,797,959. The Chinese have fairly esoteric tastes. Most of their domestic blockbusters are unwatchable abroad. I've been unable to get through more than 10 minutes of any of their high-grossing (in China) domestic productions that I've come across. Whereas Hong Kong, Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean productions are usually somewhat watchable. I can deal with the subtitles, but a great many Chinese movie plots are just head-scratching in their strangeness.
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  2. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    He’s more Crassus than Augustus – a man whose personal wealth and business acumen far exceeded his actual political skill.

    “When he had over 500 slaves he bought houses which had burnt and the adjacent ‘ones because their owners would let go at a trifling price.’ He bought ‘the largest part of Rome’ in this way.[10] He bought them on the cheap and rebuilt them with slave labour.”

    …sound familiar, these tech guys building their companies using slave labor?

    Also, the guy miscalculated and led a ruinous campaign against the Parthian empire. Zuck’s campaign for the White House will likely be similarly ruinous to his Facebook brand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

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    • Agree: Alec Leamas
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I saw one historical comment on Crassus speculating that he may have been worth 200 million gold sesterces, which measured in terms of percentage of total human wealth at that time, may have made him the wealthiest man in history. I wonder if Zuck has the same ambition.
    After Crassus lost the Parthian campaign because he didn't want to ally with the King of Armenia and split the loot, there is an apocryphal story that the Parthians poured molten gold down his throat, but that story has been applied to other historical figures so I'm not sure how much credence to put in it.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Crassus is famous for commenting that no man is truly rich unless he personally has the means to support an army. My this measure Zuckerberg is only well off, not really rich. He couldn't even afford a single aircraft carrier much less the cash flow needed to man and equip it.

    Crassus is also famous for disciplining his troops with the ancient practice of the decimation. He didn't think his troops fought hard enough so he ordered a decimation - a practice not used for many years at that time. So he lined them up and counted them off. Every tenth man was singled out for discipline. His fellow soldiers then took clubs and beat him to death.

    These troops caught Spartacus in the boot of Italy. They then crucified all of them along the Appian Way. The crosses were only one side - the side with the view of the sea. Anyone on that road who was looking at the view would see the crosses.

    Crassus ended badly. He envied the military exploits of Pompey and Caesar so he tried to conquer the Parthian Empire. He and all his troops were massacred in one of the greatest defeats in Roman history. Julius Caesar was planning to avenge Crassus when he was assassinated.
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  3. Didn’t the Romans destroy Jerusalem?

    With all the power, I guess Jews feel as the new Caesars.

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    • Replies: @ziel
    But that was only after some major Roman genetic introgression
    , @Vinteuil
    Once upon a time, some people who didn't get the joke, and didn't get that the joke was on them, thought this was funny.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.
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  4. Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it’s time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    What's wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar's daughter?
    , @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Actually Augustus is a quite common name in Mexico. In Spain the city of Zaragoza and the Mexicans who bear that name derive from the name "Caesar Augustus".
    , @Alec Leamas

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used.
     
    How about the Cardinal Virtues and Heavenly Graces?

    i.e. Prudence, Faith, Hope and Charity? Or Grace, Constance, Joy?
    , @Frau Katze
    That was my first thought too.

    Naming rule: Don't give your daughter a male name.

    "Augusta" would have done fine.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Augusta brings to mind Augusta National. Racist and Nationalist. Although with time, it too will be brought to heel. BTW, where are the Bobby Jones statues?
    , @donut
    How about Trixie ?
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  5. First daughter is Maxima, in lieu of Maximus.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?
    , @Vermont Apple
    They should've called their second daughter Minima.
    , @Bruce
    'If you were a cloaca, you'd be the cloaca maximus'- standard comeback to someone boasting too much in rhetoric class. I wonder if Zuckerberg, who knows way more latin than me, thought this through.
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  6. @mobi
    First daughter is Maxima, in lieu of Maximus.

    Or maybe she’s named after the sedan?

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    They could've had Alexus.
    , @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    , @StillCARealist
    Poor kid better not ever get fat.
    , @FKA Max

    Queen Máxima of the Netherlands (born Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti;[1] 17 May 1971) is the wife of King Willem-Alexander.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_M%C3%A1xima_of_the_Netherlands

    http://us.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/1201512029640/mark-zuckerberg-royal-baby-name-queen-maxima/

    , @dr kill
    I don't know why y'all are so certain the girls were named by Daddy. Aren't any of you married? Don't you have children? Didn't your lovely wife look at you that way until you agreed her choice of name was perfect? Am I the only guy here who did that , four times?

    He may be nuts, but for certain the wife is more crazy. And ambitious.
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  7. The Roman Empire was overrun by Germans. I wish the Germans were the ones overrunning the American Empire. Mark Zuckerberg is a Jew billionaire who wants to flood the United States with non-European foreigners in order to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Shelly Adelson is a billionaire Jew who also wants to flood the United States with non-European foreigners.

    This 2014 Tweet is still fresh:

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    • Replies: @Thea
    Contemporary Germans are not that inspiring.
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  8. He claims to want stronger communities and that all the advances in science and technology will lead to his daughters living dramatically better lives than ours. How easy do these tech geeks want life to be? Do they want to completely eliminate manual labor?

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    Only so that they can eliminate manual laborers...
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  9. Maybe this foreshadows Marcus Julius Zuckercuck getting knifed in the FB headquarters vestibule?

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  10. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    What’s wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar’s daughter?

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Do it to Julia! Mark Zuckerberg's vision of technology driven anti-White totalitarianism will not stand. I hereby predict that Facebook will be destroyed in the next few years. Facebook stock will be vaporized when the oncoming global financial implosion hits.

    1984 scene where Winston Smith screams "Do it to Julia!":

    https://youtu.be/HFYQq3Xi5uw
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Augustus had a very naughty daughter Julia.
    , @Autochthon
    Julius Cæsar served the Republic – bad "optics" (as corporate jackasses like Zuckerburg say when they mean "publicity"). Remember: Zuckerburg wants his immigration to be comprehensive, please – for the Empire!
    , @JimB
    Both of Zuck's kiddies look like garden variety Chinese, not Italian. It is so often the case with whites who miscegenate. My informal survey of half- white kids in the local school is that they look like the non-white parent's race 95% of the time. Perhaps Zuck should have named his kids after Chinese royalty. There's a Chinese emporer whose name sounds like "Stick your dick in the tea" in Russian. Perfect for a Zuckerberg.
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  11. Steve, you miss the obvious connection so reload on a mulligan. August Zuckerberg-Chan is Mark’s way into membership at Augusta National.

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  12. Augusta is a girl’s name. August is a month.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As a first name, August is largely a male name, as in August Coppola, Nicholas Cage's father and brother of Francis Ford Coppola. The Coppolas are a particularly ambitious and megalomaniacal family, so I imagine the reference to Caesar Augustus was intentional.

    Augusto Pinochet is another.

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  13. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?

    They could’ve had Alexus.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My dad owned a Maxima, he couldn't really afford Alexus.
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  14. @Steve Sailer
    What's wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar's daughter?

    Do it to Julia! Mark Zuckerberg’s vision of technology driven anti-White totalitarianism will not stand. I hereby predict that Facebook will be destroyed in the next few years. Facebook stock will be vaporized when the oncoming global financial implosion hits.

    1984 scene where Winston Smith screams “Do it to Julia!”:

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    • Replies: @Detective Club
    God, I hope that your prediction comes to pass.

    Fuck-You-Berg, as a skid-row bum, what a delicious prospect! He checks into his favorite local flop house & the night clerk gives him the key to ROOM 101!
    https://youtu.be/MwXbLWww6Cw
    Two of life's absolute rules : Never argue with an idiot and pay no attention to Mark Fuck-You-Berg!
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  15. If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she’s going to hate her parents.

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    If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she’s going to hate her parents.
     
    And then we're all going to pay.
    , @Lurker
    And probably resent her younger, thinner sister Minima.
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  16. @Steve Sailer
    What's wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar's daughter?

    Augustus had a very naughty daughter Julia.

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  17. @Steve Sailer
    What's wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar's daughter?

    Julius Cæsar served the Republic – bad “optics” (as corporate jackasses like Zuckerburg say when they mean “publicity”). Remember: Zuckerburg wants his immigration to be comprehensive, please – for the Empire!

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    • Replies: @guest
    Caesar effectively destroyed the Republic. Broke the sacred law forbidding marching his army into the city (though it had been done before), and sweeping away everyday politics in favor of dictatorship, temporary or not. Not due to a crisis that needed solving, because he was the crisis. He unleashed generations of open violence to get on top and run the empire, rather than the deliberative if adversarial and violent system they had before.

    But he was in that limbo between empire and republic, and we don't know what he would've done had he not been murdered. Augustus is a clearer case, though he didn't call himself emperor. By then it was over, the republic. But really it was over when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
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  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    They could've had Alexus.

    My dad owned a Maxima, he couldn’t really afford Alexus.

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  19. @Barnard
    He claims to want stronger communities and that all the advances in science and technology will lead to his daughters living dramatically better lives than ours. How easy do these tech geeks want life to be? Do they want to completely eliminate manual labor?

    Only so that they can eliminate manual laborers…

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  20. On the upside we can look forward to Aaron Sorkin fetched up at a Fargo alt-weekly for his “carmen et error.”

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  21. @Jake
    Augusta is a girl's name. August is a month.

    As a first name, August is largely a male name, as in August Coppola, Nicholas Cage’s father and brother of Francis Ford Coppola. The Coppolas are a particularly ambitious and megalomaniacal family, so I imagine the reference to Caesar Augustus was intentional.

    Augusto Pinochet is another.

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    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    First name of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin-Jean_Fresnel
    is Augustin, and I thought it was August. He still is my beloved scientist
    and inventor.
    , @Flip
    And several August Busches of the beer family.

    He should have gone with Augusta for the daughter.
    , @theo the kraut
    I don't know if this has anything to do with it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_M%C3%A1xima_of_the_Netherlands
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Zorreguieta
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  22. Fuck-You-Berg owns 50 tee-shirts. Does each one have a different name? Inquiring minds want to know! NOT!

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    He may be trying to emulate the sartorial impact of Bill Gates.

    I went to work everyday wearing a coat and tie. Most of the time it was a formal business suit and occasionally a sport coat. I remember two days I wore a turtle neck which was in fashion in the seventies. I was so uncomfortable I could barely function.

    Like my contemporaries I had lots of ties. All managers did. I took a new position with a new staff at a new location. The first day on the job I showed up and had a fitting by a tailor for new suits. The staff were properly intimidated. My best friend at the time had his shoes custom made.

    But all that changed when Bill Gates - the richest man in the world - stopped wearing a tie.
    , @Anon
    He's going to lose the women's vote. Women take clothes extremely seriously, and they're freaked out by a man who just wears the same type of grey T-shirt every day. He's the type that women classify as a brain-damaged freak, and they won't vote for him. They think that a guy who doesn't know how to dress for social occasions is someone who doesn't pick up on or understand social cues at all. Women classify that type of man as a joke. Of course, that's a perfectly accurate real-life assessment of the Zuck.

    Besides, The Fifty Shades of Grey billionaire is supposed to dress better than that, and be more savvy.
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  23. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?

    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Giving a girl a girl's name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    He was trying to avoid naming her after a golf course.
    , @Alden
    Camry is a pretty feminine name. I knew a girl named Camile nicknamed Cammy.

    In the south east there is a big supermarket chain, Winn-Dixie. A couple named their girl boy twins Winn and Dixie. The names are both nice.
    , @Anon

    considering his classical education
     
    What classical education? He was a psychology dropout.

    People with real classical educations don't say things like

    I made us go to all of these different historical and classical places.
     
    , @Brutusale
    It reminds me of a black comedian back in the 80s who riffed on names black people used to give their kids: just name them after the latest Toyota.

    And yes, I've met TWO guys named Tercel!
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  24. @Anon
    If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she's going to hate her parents.

    If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she’s going to hate her parents.

    And then we’re all going to pay.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Don't worry, the Zuckerbergs will figure out a persuasive reason to explain to August why her unhappiness is the Fault of Society.
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  25. “Maxima” is Hebrew for “charming”.

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    That would be maksima (the Hebrew has two consonants)
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  26. @Charles Pewitt
    Do it to Julia! Mark Zuckerberg's vision of technology driven anti-White totalitarianism will not stand. I hereby predict that Facebook will be destroyed in the next few years. Facebook stock will be vaporized when the oncoming global financial implosion hits.

    1984 scene where Winston Smith screams "Do it to Julia!":

    https://youtu.be/HFYQq3Xi5uw

    God, I hope that your prediction comes to pass.

    Fuck-You-Berg, as a skid-row bum, what a delicious prospect! He checks into his favorite local flop house & the night clerk gives him the key to ROOM 101!

    Two of life’s absolute rules : Never argue with an idiot and pay no attention to Mark Fuck-You-Berg!

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  27. I like August. It works with whatever gender ze grows into. Or is it they grow into.

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  29. @mobi

    If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she’s going to hate her parents.
     
    And then we're all going to pay.

    Don’t worry, the Zuckerbergs will figure out a persuasive reason to explain to August why her unhappiness is the Fault of Society.

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  30. @Steve Sailer
    As a first name, August is largely a male name, as in August Coppola, Nicholas Cage's father and brother of Francis Ford Coppola. The Coppolas are a particularly ambitious and megalomaniacal family, so I imagine the reference to Caesar Augustus was intentional.

    Augusto Pinochet is another.

    First name of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin-Jean_Fresnel
    is Augustin, and I thought it was August. He still is my beloved scientist
    and inventor.

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  31. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Steve, any thoughts on reviewing Wolf Warrior 2? It sounds interesting:

    To be clear, it's not a good movie. It's flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn't even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there's just guileless propaganda. I'm talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them ("I guess the Chinese military isn't so lame after all!" is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I'm not kidding).
     

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it's "America" on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character "big daddy" is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

     


    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they'll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I've ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don't worry, they're shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just "Africa" as if it was one thing. But hey, it's all just a stand-in for "black" as it's mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country's explicit racism against black people.
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

    It's grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624...
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    Unlikely. More likely the fact that the top 3 officers were AA. Just like how the press slid over the fact that the CO of the morons who perpetrated the stupidity that was Abu Ghirab (sp?) was a woman who had previously had sub-par fitness reports. Much more fun to say it was Dubya's fault.

    I know a guy who commanded ships for years and he said that even when he was not on the bridge, he was in a small room just off the bridge, rather than in his quarters below, and always left explicit instructions that he was to be called/awakened if there was any trouble at all.

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  32. @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    Giving a girl a girl’s name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

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    Chilean dictator name = virtue signaling fail

    Or

    Chilean dictator name = mucho intersectional Pokémon points
    , @TheJester
    Pokémon points if you do ... Pokémon points if you don't.

    Virtue signaling offers such grand possibilities. That's why the Left loves it. Like so much else in their arsenal of "feelz good" adolescent seditives, you can be praised for "doing your own thing", regardless of what it is ... like claiming you are changing your gender, or not; or, bragging about having sought refuge in "safe spaces" to ward off evil White spirits, or not.

    The virtue is in advertising your willingness to act ... on anything: Nietzsche's Will to Power, albeit almost always about the most trivial of things. It's the shallow world of Political Correctness with True Believers feeling a collective empowerment in a world of ever-changing amulets and talismans.
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  33. It does often feel as if our Republic has reached, if not quite the Augustan epoch, at least that of Marius and Sulla.

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    I'd be cool with a Sulla.
    , @guest
    We already had our Caesar. His name was Lincoln. Granted, he was a prole in the service of plutocrats, unlike the real Caesar, who was upper-patrician.

    I've also heard TR was Gracchus and his cousin FDR was Caesar. He at least was patrician.
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  34. The Zuck/Chan clan has two daughters–won’t they take Mama’s surname Chan? Otherwise the patriarchy will have won…

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    If he has a son,would it be too much to ask for "Charlie?"
    , @guest
    I've never understood that ploy. The mother's name is merely her father's name. Patriarchy still wins!

    Of course, after a few generations that'll get confused. But they won't be able to escape the patriarchal origins. Unless they make up their own names. As people do, for instance with anagrams. It's all very foolish.

    I'd like to see feminists and SJWs generally adopt Puritan-like names. Goody Raceblind and Blankslate Unprivileged, for instance. Or like blacks abandoning their slave names. "I'm Trigglypuff X, y'all!"

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  35. @Anon
    He's more Crassus than Augustus - a man whose personal wealth and business acumen far exceeded his actual political skill.

    "When he had over 500 slaves he bought houses which had burnt and the adjacent 'ones because their owners would let go at a trifling price.' He bought 'the largest part of Rome' in this way.[10] He bought them on the cheap and rebuilt them with slave labour."

    ...sound familiar, these tech guys building their companies using slave labor?

    Also, the guy miscalculated and led a ruinous campaign against the Parthian empire. Zuck's campaign for the White House will likely be similarly ruinous to his Facebook brand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

    I saw one historical comment on Crassus speculating that he may have been worth 200 million gold sesterces, which measured in terms of percentage of total human wealth at that time, may have made him the wealthiest man in history. I wonder if Zuck has the same ambition.
    After Crassus lost the Parthian campaign because he didn’t want to ally with the King of Armenia and split the loot, there is an apocryphal story that the Parthians poured molten gold down his throat, but that story has been applied to other historical figures so I’m not sure how much credence to put in it.

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  36. I’d wager a guess it might be this Maxima:

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    I’d wager a guess it might be this Maxima:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrV3LQqiwU

     

    Maybe he's thinking of Maximus in Ridley Scott's Gladiator?


    Empress Maxima has a certain ring to it....
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  37. What’s next? An imperial decree that everyone at Facebook wear togas? Can we anticipate that Facebook’s new $6 billion headquarters is going to resemble a Roman temple complex?

    But once that’s settled, would we vote for a presidential candidate with imperial ambitions … Marcus Zuckerbergus, First Citizen (Princeps) of the United States? Would Marcus also want the title Pontifex Maximus, although we can suppose that Pope Francis might have reservations about him claiming that honorific?

    Wait! If Marcus Zuckerberus becomes President, he won’t have to build that new headquarters. Washington DC’s architecture already resembles a massive Roman temple complex. Marcus would be perfect for the role of Imperator and I’m sure he would enthusiastically embrace the ongoing games and gladiatorial contests at the Circus Maximus on the Potomac.

    It’s all clear now. I see Marcus’ vision!

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    I personally want to see a Facebook Pantheon. Is the "monumental" neoclassical style in? They still use it for government buildings, banks, museums, and so forth, of course.
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  38. @Steve Sailer
    Giving a girl a girl's name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

    Chilean dictator name = virtue signaling fail

    Or

    Chilean dictator name = mucho intersectional Pokémon points

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    No pokemon points for Pinochet! He usurped the Great White Hope, the beloved Allende.
    , @guest
    There are so many commie browns to choose from. You get no points for ones condemned as rightists.
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  39. @Anon
    Didn't the Romans destroy Jerusalem?

    With all the power, I guess Jews feel as the new Caesars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3745NRxpo

    But that was only after some major Roman genetic introgression

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  40. @Sunbeam
    I'd wager a guess it might be this Maxima:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrV3LQqiwU

    I’d wager a guess it might be this Maxima:

    Maybe he’s thinking of Maximus in Ridley Scott’s Gladiator?

    Empress Maxima has a certain ring to it….

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  41. One of the lessons of Roman history is that rich guys who want to go into politicians should give away a lot of money, both directly and by sponsoring feasts, sport spectacles, etc. Quite often a candidate for consul would go deeply into debt to do this, and then make it up once in office. The real money was not the year you serve as counsel, but the bribes you get afterword as a proconsul running a rich province.

    Mark could sponsor Monday Night Football, and instead of commercial breaks, just a 10 second note “this is where a 2 minute commercial break would normally go, but thanks to everyone’s friend Mark, please enjoy watching cheerleaders and fan closeups during the timeout.

    During each announcement, a rotating set of Mark Z tours Middle America clips: bottle feeding a calf, welding something at an auto plant, etc.

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  42. @Patrick Harris
    It does often feel as if our Republic has reached, if not quite the Augustan epoch, at least that of Marius and Sulla.

    I’d be cool with a Sulla.

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  44. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

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    What did she major in?
    , @Bill
    The fact that you are a girl named Carol seems relevant.
    , @StillCARealist
    Like Gussie Finknottle? I think that was her name. Wodehouse rules.
    , @AndrewR
    I guess she wasn't much of a favorite if you're saying "last I heard she was..."
    , @Anon
    Gussie's a little better than Augie.
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  45. By the way, if Mark invites you for a fun flight on the Facebook helicopter, plead airsickness.

    Dying.

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?

    Poor kid better not ever get fat.

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  47. The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump’s 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary’s. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

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    He's cornered, too, on the First Amendment:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833109/Zuckerberg-Animals-taste-better-ve-hunted-yourself.html


    ‘Things taste better when you make them yourself,' he said. 'And they taste doubly better when you’ve hunted the animal yourself.’

    Zuckerberg said he has been hunting for around four or five years, saying it's a 'good way to feel connected to nature.'

    ...He added: 'It's pretty fun, that's why so many people enjoy it.'
     

    Unless he hunts with his bare hands.

    Or points to the target, and has his entourage do the dirty work.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Lot, you're like an anti-prophet.
    , @Anonymous
    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of... I don't know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump's rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever... but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg's eccentricities being compared to? Trump's? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who... was elected President! As for the Democratic likely's in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg's strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went...

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a "cishet white man". No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian... but many "cishet white men" who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He's richer than Trump. He's probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I'll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man's success by the number and sex appeal of the women he's banged is ... while better than many things ... still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most "cishet white men" at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn't.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW's say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent "geeks". But they don't want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like "Nazis". Don't lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This "alliance" might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of "realism" and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the "idealism" of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists...) Couldn't this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn't exactly know how to deal with that. "Rome" seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I'll stop there.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Likely the times of choosing positions from a buffet defined by opinion polls are over. Folks are choosing teams now. The idea that we can adjust the output and distribution of the economy through tinkering with a few easily observed variables is dead. The idea that we can live in a society where all members can live without moral approbation and behavioral sanction from the sanctimonious good thinkers is dead. Once the recognition is general that all the important players are committed to one team or another, the die is cast. The only task left for the media is to iron out the commitments.
    , @Opinionator
    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising...

    ...from donors like Mark.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm the same Anonymous as just ahead with the long comment. I just realized that my prior Zuckerberg comment some days ago (D, not M) was also in response to you. Yeah, she's reading this, and that means he's getting feedback. I think.
    , @guest
    And of course it wasn't just immigration, though that was the biggie. It was trade and war, too. Plus the Drain the Swamp thing, though I guess that's covered by his outsider status.

    But Trump has a trump on the Zuck, and that's his well-honed media persona. Even when he's putting his foot in his mouth or making no sense, he gets away with it. Because he's a Character and has played the PR game for decades.

    Zuck is highly recognizable and talked about, but I don't think 99% of the electorate could even tell you what he sounds like. (Without thinking of Jesse Eisenberg, that is.) That's why thinking of Zuck as an ancient Roman emperor is so funny. Because his persona is a smart rich dork in a t-shirt running a website for the dissemination of cat pictures who occasionally feeds cows.

    , @Johann Ricke

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.
     
    But can he win the Democratic nomination without adopting these stances? Hillary and Sanders had to do it to become the top two contenders.
    , @Brutusale
    Nope, I've already had 8 years of a political cipher whose paradigm is to surround himself with harpies.
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  48. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?

    Queen Máxima of the Netherlands (born Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti;[1] 17 May 1971) is the wife of King Willem-Alexander.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_M%C3%A1xima_of_the_Netherlands

    http://us.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/1201512029640/mark-zuckerberg-royal-baby-name-queen-maxima/

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  49. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    He’s cornered, too, on the First Amendment:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833109/Zuckerberg-Animals-taste-better-ve-hunted-yourself.html

    ‘Things taste better when you make them yourself,’ he said. ‘And they taste doubly better when you’ve hunted the animal yourself.’

    Zuckerberg said he has been hunting for around four or five years, saying it’s a ‘good way to feel connected to nature.’

    …He added: ‘It’s pretty fun, that’s why so many people enjoy it.’

    Unless he hunts with his bare hands.

    Or points to the target, and has his entourage do the dirty work.

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    Or perhaps Zuckerberg, the richest self-made man of his generation, is a quite masculine guy who has a number of stereotypically masculine hobbies, such as bloodsports, Roman history, and running for President.
    , @Glaivester
    I think you mean Second Amendment.
    , @Anon
    He's trying to appear less nerdy to the masses, but he's going to enrage the left with the optics on this and lost the Democratic primary
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  50. What’s with all this obsolete talk of male and female?

    Don’t you know it’s CURRENT_YEAR?

    August will be lucky to make it to nine before the hormone treatments start. Count on it.

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  51. The other day I read that Google and Facebook control 99% of internet advertising in the USA. This article says they own 65% of digital advertising. They control 99% of the new growth in digital advertising.

    http://fortune.com/2017/01/04/google-facebook-ad-industry/

    Last year, Pivotal Research analyst Brian Wieser estimated that digital advertising revenue in 2015 also soared by 20% from the previous year to a record of $60 billion. Close to 65% of that went to Google and Facebook, he said, with the search giant taking $30 billion and Facebook taking $8 billion.
    “Smaller companies will continue to operate in the shadows of the industry’s two dominant players,” Wieser told investors in a research note at the time.
    Halfway through last year, Jason Kint of the advertising trade group Digital Content Next looked at the total ad revenue booked by those two companies as a proportion of the overall industry, and found that they accounted for about 90% of all the growth in the business.
    Last week, Kint updated those figures, and the picture they paint has become even more bleak. Based on the IAB’s numbers and public financial numbers from Google and Facebook, the two digital giants accounted for about 99% of the $2.9 billion in advertising growth in the third quarter—with Google making up about 54% of the total and Facebook about 45%, leaving just 1% for everyone else.

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  52. @Anon
    Didn't the Romans destroy Jerusalem?

    With all the power, I guess Jews feel as the new Caesars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3745NRxpo

    Once upon a time, some people who didn’t get the joke, and didn’t get that the joke was on them, thought this was funny.

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  53. @Forbes
    The Zuck/Chan clan has two daughters--won't they take Mama's surname Chan? Otherwise the patriarchy will have won...

    If he has a son,would it be too much to ask for “Charlie?”

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    If he has a son,would it be too much to ask for “Charlie?”
     
    Carolus Magnus
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  54. @mobi
    He's cornered, too, on the First Amendment:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833109/Zuckerberg-Animals-taste-better-ve-hunted-yourself.html


    ‘Things taste better when you make them yourself,' he said. 'And they taste doubly better when you’ve hunted the animal yourself.’

    Zuckerberg said he has been hunting for around four or five years, saying it's a 'good way to feel connected to nature.'

    ...He added: 'It's pretty fun, that's why so many people enjoy it.'
     

    Unless he hunts with his bare hands.

    Or points to the target, and has his entourage do the dirty work.

    Or perhaps Zuckerberg, the richest self-made man of his generation, is a quite masculine guy who has a number of stereotypically masculine hobbies, such as bloodsports, Roman history, and running for President.

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    Lmao.

    Steve you gotta get off his nuts.
    , @Steve Sailer
    My parents bought a 1985 Maxima.

    A nice car although the new computer controls went out a lot.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    He certainly does his grilling himself. He live streamed it.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/894434481796521984
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  55. @Steve Sailer
    As a first name, August is largely a male name, as in August Coppola, Nicholas Cage's father and brother of Francis Ford Coppola. The Coppolas are a particularly ambitious and megalomaniacal family, so I imagine the reference to Caesar Augustus was intentional.

    Augusto Pinochet is another.

    And several August Busches of the beer family.

    He should have gone with Augusta for the daughter.

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    Whenever I hear the name "Augusta", I think of this mother:
    http://real-life-villains.wikia.com/wiki/Augusta_Gein
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  56. @Hollywood
    OT:

    They're blaming these collisions of our naval vessels on hackers -- or sayings its possible:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/08/23/could-hackers-behind-u-s-navy-collisions/594107001/

    http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-warship-collisions-raise-cyberattack-fears

    Unlikely. More likely the fact that the top 3 officers were AA. Just like how the press slid over the fact that the CO of the morons who perpetrated the stupidity that was Abu Ghirab (sp?) was a woman who had previously had sub-par fitness reports. Much more fun to say it was Dubya’s fault.

    I know a guy who commanded ships for years and he said that even when he was not on the bridge, he was in a small room just off the bridge, rather than in his quarters below, and always left explicit instructions that he was to be called/awakened if there was any trouble at all.

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    Unlikely. More likely the fact that the top 3 officers were AA.

    Is this fact or speculation?
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  57. @Steve Sailer
    Or perhaps Zuckerberg, the richest self-made man of his generation, is a quite masculine guy who has a number of stereotypically masculine hobbies, such as bloodsports, Roman history, and running for President.

    Lmao.

    Steve you gotta get off his nuts.

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  58. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    Lot, you’re like an anti-prophet.

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    Wouldn't an anti-prophet be a historian?

    A false prophet can't predict accurately. Don't know any English for "always predicting inaccurately"...

    Anyone? Time for a neologism?

    , @Lot
    Yet I made like $1400 betting on the 2016 primary and general election. Check my comment history, I said everyone should buy Trump wins NC when it was even money and buy Trump Utah at the peak of the McMuffin bubble when it was about 3:2.

    I am betting on Zuck Runs right now. Got in at 22, now at 32. I will sell at 60.

    https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark-Zuckerberg-run-for-president-in-2020
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  59. Could’ve named the daughter Gaius, and mispronounce it (as in gay-us), as a PC shout out to LGBTQetc.

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  60. @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    He was trying to avoid naming her after a golf course.

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    "August" actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than "Augusta" does, despite "Augusta" being a feminine form. Plus the association of "Augusta" with the golf course, which is a masculine association.
    , @Anonymous
    It's just a cheap trans-aware gesture. The girl will call herself Augusta and everybody knows it. Unisex baby names are probably the fashion now. Giving girls 'girly' names will soon be cause for social disapproval in politically correct circles.
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  61. The happy parents could have gone with “Octavia.”

    As for Zuck’s masculinity, how many mistresses has he taken?

    As for his Romanesque ambitions, Zuck needs to borrow more money so more people want him to succeed so he’ll be able to pay back his debts. He also needs to find a Marcus Agrippa.

    At least Zuck’s wife is not known to have a son by a previous marriage whom she wishes to make Emperor.

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    Not that good name either.
    http://www.skoda-auto.com/en/models/octavia-facelift/
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  62. @Jack Hanson
    Lot, you're like an anti-prophet.

    Wouldn’t an anti-prophet be a historian?

    A false prophet can’t predict accurately. Don’t know any English for “always predicting inaccurately”…

    Anyone? Time for a neologism?

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  63. @Anon
    He's more Crassus than Augustus - a man whose personal wealth and business acumen far exceeded his actual political skill.

    "When he had over 500 slaves he bought houses which had burnt and the adjacent 'ones because their owners would let go at a trifling price.' He bought 'the largest part of Rome' in this way.[10] He bought them on the cheap and rebuilt them with slave labour."

    ...sound familiar, these tech guys building their companies using slave labor?

    Also, the guy miscalculated and led a ruinous campaign against the Parthian empire. Zuck's campaign for the White House will likely be similarly ruinous to his Facebook brand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

    Crassus is famous for commenting that no man is truly rich unless he personally has the means to support an army. My this measure Zuckerberg is only well off, not really rich. He couldn’t even afford a single aircraft carrier much less the cash flow needed to man and equip it.

    Crassus is also famous for disciplining his troops with the ancient practice of the decimation. He didn’t think his troops fought hard enough so he ordered a decimation – a practice not used for many years at that time. So he lined them up and counted them off. Every tenth man was singled out for discipline. His fellow soldiers then took clubs and beat him to death.

    These troops caught Spartacus in the boot of Italy. They then crucified all of them along the Appian Way. The crosses were only one side – the side with the view of the sea. Anyone on that road who was looking at the view would see the crosses.

    Crassus ended badly. He envied the military exploits of Pompey and Caesar so he tried to conquer the Parthian Empire. He and all his troops were massacred in one of the greatest defeats in Roman history. Julius Caesar was planning to avenge Crassus when he was assassinated.

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    My this measure Zuckerberg is only well off, not really rich. He couldn’t even afford a single aircraft carrier much less the cash flow needed to man and equip it.
     
    I think his net worth exceeds the sticker price on the boat.

    But don't these tech dorks all have the same problem with liquidity? Their net worth is pretty much all stock value in the tech company, and the company's value is so integrated into the identity of the dork in the mind of the public that the instant Faceberg or Gates start selling stock the value plummets.

    Imagine Jobs suddenly selling all of his Apple stock at 60 - and maybe taking a job at Android.

    Incidentally, that's why they're all pledging their "wealth" to charity after death - they know they can't actually cash out, so they're getting the PR value of being altruistic in their lifetimes in order to mask their current crimes.
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  64. Naming his daughter, say, Julia after Julius Caesar’s much-admired daughter would have been a low key way for Zuckerberg to indulge his taste for Roman history, without saddling his daughter with a strange, wrong-sex first name.

    This is an intentional signal from the rich, the powerful and the influential to the rest of us: they are above culture. While we all find familiarity in our inter-generational continuity, they find the whole thing annoying and confining. Their elite position and circumstance open up all sorts of new horizons to them, and they want us to know it. They’re kind of like the effeminate nobility class of the 18th century.

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    I've noticed that ghetto blacks have the same thoughts when it comes to naming their own children. Their kids don't need any conventional names because they aren't going to need any stinkin' jobs, or have to please any boss-man, no way, not with whitey paying for everything via welfare.
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  65. @Father O'Hara
    If he has a son,would it be too much to ask for "Charlie?"

    If he has a son,would it be too much to ask for “Charlie?”

    Carolus Magnus

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  66. I don’t think the late Roman republic analogy works for Zuckerberg’s political ambition. I think ‘Citizen Kane’ is probably a better fit.

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  67. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    Actually Augustus is a quite common name in Mexico. In Spain the city of Zaragoza and the Mexicans who bear that name derive from the name “Caesar Augustus”.

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    Actually Augustus is a quite common name in Mexico.
     
    Augusto es popular. Sin embargo, Zuckerberg hizo su agosto.
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  68. @mobi
    He's cornered, too, on the First Amendment:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833109/Zuckerberg-Animals-taste-better-ve-hunted-yourself.html


    ‘Things taste better when you make them yourself,' he said. 'And they taste doubly better when you’ve hunted the animal yourself.’

    Zuckerberg said he has been hunting for around four or five years, saying it's a 'good way to feel connected to nature.'

    ...He added: 'It's pretty fun, that's why so many people enjoy it.'
     

    Unless he hunts with his bare hands.

    Or points to the target, and has his entourage do the dirty work.

    I think you mean Second Amendment.

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    Yep, that one.
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  69. @Steve Sailer
    Or perhaps Zuckerberg, the richest self-made man of his generation, is a quite masculine guy who has a number of stereotypically masculine hobbies, such as bloodsports, Roman history, and running for President.

    My parents bought a 1985 Maxima.

    A nice car although the new computer controls went out a lot.

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    My sister had an '85 Maxima at the same time (early '90s) I had an '85 Mustang. It's hard to pithily describe how much better a car the Maxima was in every way. The quality gap between American and Japanese cars has narrowed a lot since, but back then it was enormous.
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  70. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used.

    How about the Cardinal Virtues and Heavenly Graces?

    i.e. Prudence, Faith, Hope and Charity? Or Grace, Constance, Joy?

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    I've always been a fan of Grace. As a name I mean, not a theological point.
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  71. @Detective Club
    Fuck-You-Berg owns 50 tee-shirts. Does each one have a different name? Inquiring minds want to know! NOT!
    https://youtu.be/IatovFVJrjI

    He may be trying to emulate the sartorial impact of Bill Gates.

    I went to work everyday wearing a coat and tie. Most of the time it was a formal business suit and occasionally a sport coat. I remember two days I wore a turtle neck which was in fashion in the seventies. I was so uncomfortable I could barely function.

    Like my contemporaries I had lots of ties. All managers did. I took a new position with a new staff at a new location. The first day on the job I showed up and had a fitting by a tailor for new suits. The staff were properly intimidated. My best friend at the time had his shoes custom made.

    But all that changed when Bill Gates – the richest man in the world – stopped wearing a tie.

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  72. @Pat Boyle
    Crassus is famous for commenting that no man is truly rich unless he personally has the means to support an army. My this measure Zuckerberg is only well off, not really rich. He couldn't even afford a single aircraft carrier much less the cash flow needed to man and equip it.

    Crassus is also famous for disciplining his troops with the ancient practice of the decimation. He didn't think his troops fought hard enough so he ordered a decimation - a practice not used for many years at that time. So he lined them up and counted them off. Every tenth man was singled out for discipline. His fellow soldiers then took clubs and beat him to death.

    These troops caught Spartacus in the boot of Italy. They then crucified all of them along the Appian Way. The crosses were only one side - the side with the view of the sea. Anyone on that road who was looking at the view would see the crosses.

    Crassus ended badly. He envied the military exploits of Pompey and Caesar so he tried to conquer the Parthian Empire. He and all his troops were massacred in one of the greatest defeats in Roman history. Julius Caesar was planning to avenge Crassus when he was assassinated.

    My this measure Zuckerberg is only well off, not really rich. He couldn’t even afford a single aircraft carrier much less the cash flow needed to man and equip it.

    I think his net worth exceeds the sticker price on the boat.

    But don’t these tech dorks all have the same problem with liquidity? Their net worth is pretty much all stock value in the tech company, and the company’s value is so integrated into the identity of the dork in the mind of the public that the instant Faceberg or Gates start selling stock the value plummets.

    Imagine Jobs suddenly selling all of his Apple stock at 60 – and maybe taking a job at Android.

    Incidentally, that’s why they’re all pledging their “wealth” to charity after death – they know they can’t actually cash out, so they’re getting the PR value of being altruistic in their lifetimes in order to mask their current crimes.

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  73. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    That was my first thought too.

    Naming rule: Don’t give your daughter a male name.

    “Augusta” would have done fine.

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  74. @pseudo
    "Maxima" is Hebrew for "charming".

    That would be maksima (the Hebrew has two consonants)

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  75. @Not Raul
    Chilean dictator name = virtue signaling fail

    Or

    Chilean dictator name = mucho intersectional Pokémon points

    No pokemon points for Pinochet! He usurped the Great White Hope, the beloved Allende.

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    Does that make Pinochet a White Hispanic, like Zimmerman?

    I'm starting to think that Cuckersperg really screwed up.
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  76. Quick quiz guys.

    What does the sexy son hypothesis say about a union that produces 2 (or more) daughters and no sons?

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    That Japanese psychologist who got fired for telling the truth of sexual appeal of various races said that couples where the wife is more attractive than the husband have more daughters.
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  77. @Glaivester
    I think you mean Second Amendment.

    Yep, that one.

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  78. @Chrisnonymous
    He was trying to avoid naming her after a golf course.

    “August” actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than “Augusta” does, despite “Augusta” being a feminine form. Plus the association of “Augusta” with the golf course, which is a masculine association.

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    August” actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than “Augusta” does, despite “Augusta” being a feminine form.
     
    Not to this speaker of General American English.....
    , @Bill
    I'm with syonredux here. Can you say why you think "August" is more feminine than "Augusta?"
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  79. Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as “sugar hill”.

    Whatever Mark and Priscilla call their children, we can think of their family as “The Sugar Hill Gang”.

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    "Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as 'sugar hill'. "

     

    Not so fast, Richard...

    Nobody was expecting bored identity's inquisition:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donna-zuckerbergs-classics-mag-demands-the-dissembling-of-this-dangerously-misguided-dream-of-white-europe/#comment-1982772


    Actually, in hindsight, bored identity wished he had already apologized to The Emperor and his First Sister Donna Octavia Minor Saccharina;

    Now, would you be so kind to recall that Blue Thunder from making rounds above bored identity's humble dwelling?
    , @bored identity




    "Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as 'sugar hill'. "

     

    Not so fast, Richard...

    Nobody was expecting bored identity's inquisition:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donna-zuckerbergs-classics-mag-demands-the-dissembling-of-this-dangerously-misguided-dream-of-white-europe/#comment-1982772


    Actually, in hindsight, bored identity wished he had already apologized to The Emperor and his First Sister Donna Octavia Minor Saccharina;

    Now, would you be so kind to recall that Blue Thunder from making rounds above bored identity's humble dwelling?
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  80. @mobi
    First daughter is Maxima, in lieu of Maximus.

    They should’ve called their second daughter Minima.

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    They should’ve called their second daughter Minima.
     
    And their third, 'Mean'
    , @Marat Said
    Ha!
    You know, this would actually be quite Roman. One of the most common ways to differentiate between women in the same family with the same name was to use the comparative adjectives Maior (bigger, elder) and Minor (lesser, younger), as we see with the two famous Agrippinas. Maxima and minima are the superlative forms of those adjectives --- though I think this would work better with three children. And then, what could the one in the middle be called, the Latin for "most middling"?
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  81. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Steve, any thoughts on reviewing Wolf Warrior 2? It sounds interesting:

    To be clear, it's not a good movie. It's flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn't even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there's just guileless propaganda. I'm talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them ("I guess the Chinese military isn't so lame after all!" is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I'm not kidding).
     

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it's "America" on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character "big daddy" is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

     


    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they'll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I've ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don't worry, they're shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just "Africa" as if it was one thing. But hey, it's all just a stand-in for "black" as it's mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country's explicit racism against black people.
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

    It's grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624...

    I assume Wolf Warrior 2 is simply another version of Wolf Warrior. You can probably find the original WW on youtube (I’ve seen it there before.). It also has the same patriotic allusions and also has a badass white dude that the PRC soldier-hero fights in the end.

    My personal feeling is that PRC now allows for more than one child per family because no mother is willing to expend their only child for the glory of the State; that by doing so they can safely increase patriotic fervor. I think that PRC is preparing for battle; hell, has anyone noticed how modern their military equipment is? And please, none of that “it’s just a copy of the Russkie or Western XXX; ipso facto, it’s no so hot.” PRC is regional superpower.

    On the other hand, “The Siege of Jadotville,” (2016-Netflix) , can also be found on youtube. People typically hide the names of movies so that the Kopyright Kops have a harder time finding it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3922798/

    “Irish Commandant Pat Quinlan leads a stand off with troops against French and Belgian Mercenaries in the Congo during the early 1960s.”

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  82. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    Augusta brings to mind Augusta National. Racist and Nationalist. Although with time, it too will be brought to heel. BTW, where are the Bobby Jones statues?

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  83. OT: This case: http://www.unz.com/isteve/u-s-navy-seaman-stabbed-in-colorado/

    turns out to be the second right-wing hate hoax I can remember: http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/this-guy-lied-about-being-stabbed-over-neo-nazi-haircut/

    (The first being the woman who carved “B” backwards into her face).

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    And the hyperventilating in the alt-right-o-sphere was just as absurd and hysterical as it was at Oberlin or wherever other hate hoaxes happen.
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  84. August? August??!? Poor child. If it was Augusta it would be supportable, but a girl called August, I’m sorry, it’s a bad choice. Megalomaniac parents, sad children. Then again, there are women called April and May. I have never met anyone named December, though.

    Zuck the Cuck looks more like Caligula or Nero. He is a narcissistic psychopath. He is a very dangerous person. I hate him.

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  85. OT: A first for the Washington Post.

    Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.

    I’ve set my timer to see how long it takes before both headline and story are revised.

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    Now that WaPo has broken ranks, when will headlines reference Antifa-duh?
    , @anonguy
    I read that. The first lines were ok, but as you read on, the writing became increasing vague about who was whomping on who, who had it coming, etc.

    But I guess it is a start.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Of course, shouting down and drowning out a minor voice of opinion does not count as violence. Still, a significant give.
    , @Anon
    I doubt it has anything to do with give. Likely the Post/Bezos ran a private poll on the popularity of Antifa, and the results told them any more bias and Democratic promotion of Antifa would tank them in the next round of national elections, and it scared the heck out of the Post. If the optics become Antifa=Democrats (which is exactly what is happening), then the Dems will become known as the party of illegal violence, and they'll be finished as a national party. Mr. and Mrs. Average American are not impressed by adolescent street violence, although aspy and clueless Dems are always overly impressed by it because Democrats suffer from arrested emotional development.
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  86. @PiltdownMan
    OT: A first for the Washington Post.

    Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.
     

    I've set my timer to see how long it takes before both headline and story are revised.

    Now that WaPo has broken ranks, when will headlines reference Antifa-duh?

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  87. Augustina is a lovely, uncommon but not strange feminine name.

    But giving girls masculine names is trendy.

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    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,

    I hope the Zuckerbergs have more kids one every year till she turns 40. The liberals and feminazis will have a fit.,
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  88. @Anon
    Didn't the Romans destroy Jerusalem?

    With all the power, I guess Jews feel as the new Caesars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3745NRxpo

    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.

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    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.
     
    I like Young Frankenstein
    , @Bill
    Smart ten-year-old boys still like his movies.
    , @Anon
    Makes me laugh every time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztpDgs_66E
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  89. @anonguy
    Quick quiz guys.

    What does the sexy son hypothesis say about a union that produces 2 (or more) daughters and no sons?

    That Japanese psychologist who got fired for telling the truth of sexual appeal of various races said that couples where the wife is more attractive than the husband have more daughters.

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    Ok, but neither Priscilla nor Mark Cuckerberg are attractive.
    , @Bill
    Is a question like "Who's uglier: Zuck or Mrs Zuck?" more unpleasant than it is uninteresting or more uninteresting than it is unpleasant?
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  90. @Steve Sailer
    As a first name, August is largely a male name, as in August Coppola, Nicholas Cage's father and brother of Francis Ford Coppola. The Coppolas are a particularly ambitious and megalomaniacal family, so I imagine the reference to Caesar Augustus was intentional.

    Augusto Pinochet is another.

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  91. Naming his daughter, say, Julia after Julius Caesar’s much-admired daughter would have been a low key way for Zuckerberg to indulge his taste for Roman history, without saddling his daughter with a strange, wrong-sex first name.

    Julia was also the name of Augustus’ unhappy, scandal-plagued, round-sandals daughter who, thanks to I, Claudius is now probably better known than Julius’ daughter.

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  92. @snorlax
    OT: This case: http://www.unz.com/isteve/u-s-navy-seaman-stabbed-in-colorado/

    turns out to be the second right-wing hate hoax I can remember: http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/this-guy-lied-about-being-stabbed-over-neo-nazi-haircut/

    (The first being the woman who carved "B" backwards into her face).

    And the hyperventilating in the alt-right-o-sphere was just as absurd and hysterical as it was at Oberlin or wherever other hate hoaxes happen.

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    Not sure about that. It was absurd and hysterical, but compare the response to graffiti on LeBron's house and then think about the severity of what happened. You do you remember all those widely disseminated news stories about that graffiti, right?

    The differences I see:
    - It looks like the hoaxer is actually going to be punished for the hoax.
    - The right seems to be OK with that punishment. (though I for one complain about the differing responses to left/right hoaxes, I think the punishment is proper).
    - The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.

    P.S. A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.
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  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of… I don’t know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump’s rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever… but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg’s eccentricities being compared to? Trump’s? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who… was elected President! As for the Democratic likely’s in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg’s strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went…

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a “cishet white man”. No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian… but many “cishet white men” who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He’s richer than Trump. He’s probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I’ll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man’s success by the number and sex appeal of the women he’s banged is … while better than many things … still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most “cishet white men” at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn’t.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW’s say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent “geeks”. But they don’t want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like “Nazis”. Don’t lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This “alliance” might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of “realism” and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the “idealism” of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists…) Couldn’t this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn’t exactly know how to deal with that. “Rome” seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I’ll stop there.

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    My vague impression is that Zuckerberg likes centrist politicians like Chris Christie and Cory Booker.
    , @Lot
    Some other Zuck advantages is that he is youthful and energetic, appears to be devoted to the same woman his entire adult life, and will have an emotional appeal to Jews/NE Asians.

    The closest think we have had to a tech billionaire running for president was Perot, who could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing.

    If he does get in, the Dem primary will be wild. His path to victory could also replicate Trump's: the establishment candidates split the vote 4 or 5 ways while Zuck takes the segments ignored by the establishment: new economy nerds, asians, and middle American white moderates. They are certainly a minority of Dem primary, but Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, and Cuomo will be splitting the black and SJW voters four ways.
    , @anonguy
    B

    ut judging a man’s success by the number and sex appeal of the women he’s banged is … while better than many things … still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most “cishet white men” at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.
     
    Can you explain further? IMO you are making an overly optimistic assumption about how much your target demographic is going to agree upon, the complex fact.

    Not refuting, heck I don't know, but just an observation and I'd like to understand both why you feel it is decadent and furthermore why you feel most cishet white dudes will sort of intuitively agree.
    , @Anon
    In times of instability, countries typically vote for strongmen, not aspy geeks who come across as overly precious and weak when strength is needed to handle a crisis. Name one genuine aspy geek who's ever been elected US president.
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  94. @PiltdownMan
    OT: A first for the Washington Post.

    Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.
     

    I've set my timer to see how long it takes before both headline and story are revised.

    I read that. The first lines were ok, but as you read on, the writing became increasing vague about who was whomping on who, who had it coming, etc.

    But I guess it is a start.

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  95. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    Likely the times of choosing positions from a buffet defined by opinion polls are over. Folks are choosing teams now. The idea that we can adjust the output and distribution of the economy through tinkering with a few easily observed variables is dead. The idea that we can live in a society where all members can live without moral approbation and behavioral sanction from the sanctimonious good thinkers is dead. Once the recognition is general that all the important players are committed to one team or another, the die is cast. The only task left for the media is to iron out the commitments.

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  96. Lots of kids have weird names nowdays. I knew a little girl born around 1968 named
    celery. Her parents weren’t really hippies either. Augusta reminds me of one of Queen Victoria’s lesser relatives.

    Priscilla is a Roman name. Emperor Marcus and Empress Priscilla. Maybe they’ll have twin boys next and name them Romulus and Remus.

    OT has anyone seen the latest copy of New Yorker magazine? The cover has a picture of Donald Trump sailing a boat. The sail is a KKK hood.

    It’s true, New Yorkers and the NY media are the most provincial, insular, closed minded people in America.

    I bet the 3 generations out of the shetl idiot intellectuals of NYC don’t know that NYC was the most pro southern city in Union territory during the 1860s unpleasantness. NYC had serious plans to secede and form a separate city state, like Venice and Hong Kong. It would be called Trilandia after the 3 islands. Then there were the draft riots. Liberals think the world began 20 years ago.

    God, how I h*t* liberals.

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  97. @Pat Boyle
    Actually Augustus is a quite common name in Mexico. In Spain the city of Zaragoza and the Mexicans who bear that name derive from the name "Caesar Augustus".

    Actually Augustus is a quite common name in Mexico.

    Augusto es popular. Sin embargo, Zuckerberg hizo su agosto.

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  98. @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

    What did she major in?

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  99. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising…

    …from donors like Mark.

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  100. @PiltdownMan
    OT: A first for the Washington Post.

    Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.
     

    I've set my timer to see how long it takes before both headline and story are revised.

    Of course, shouting down and drowning out a minor voice of opinion does not count as violence. Still, a significant give.

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  101. @Jim Don Bob
    Unlikely. More likely the fact that the top 3 officers were AA. Just like how the press slid over the fact that the CO of the morons who perpetrated the stupidity that was Abu Ghirab (sp?) was a woman who had previously had sub-par fitness reports. Much more fun to say it was Dubya's fault.

    I know a guy who commanded ships for years and he said that even when he was not on the bridge, he was in a small room just off the bridge, rather than in his quarters below, and always left explicit instructions that he was to be called/awakened if there was any trouble at all.

    Unlikely. More likely the fact that the top 3 officers were AA.

    Is this fact or speculation?

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  102. @Mr. Anon
    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.

    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.

    I like Young Frankenstein

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  103. @Anonymous
    "August" actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than "Augusta" does, despite "Augusta" being a feminine form. Plus the association of "Augusta" with the golf course, which is a masculine association.

    August” actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than “Augusta” does, despite “Augusta” being a feminine form.

    Not to this speaker of General American English…..

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  104. @Thea
    Augustina is a lovely, uncommon but not strange feminine name.

    But giving girls masculine names is trendy.

    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,

    I hope the Zuckerbergs have more kids one every year till she turns 40. The liberals and feminazis will have a fit.,

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    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,
     
    Traditional names (the older the better) are always a solid choice. A friend of mine recently gave birth to a baby girl, and she was torn between naming her either Madison or Rachel. I convinced her to go with Rachel. It's been around for millennia.
    , @Autochthon
    Fine, Celtic names. Albeit surnames, thus easily marking appropriation when used as Christian names. Nairna, Deirdre, Gwenhwyfar, and Rhiannon are beautiful names. (Siobhan suffers somewhat from excessive appropriation by Negroes.)
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  105. @Autochthon
    Julius Cæsar served the Republic – bad "optics" (as corporate jackasses like Zuckerburg say when they mean "publicity"). Remember: Zuckerburg wants his immigration to be comprehensive, please – for the Empire!

    Caesar effectively destroyed the Republic. Broke the sacred law forbidding marching his army into the city (though it had been done before), and sweeping away everyday politics in favor of dictatorship, temporary or not. Not due to a crisis that needed solving, because he was the crisis. He unleashed generations of open violence to get on top and run the empire, rather than the deliberative if adversarial and violent system they had before.

    But he was in that limbo between empire and republic, and we don’t know what he would’ve done had he not been murdered. Augustus is a clearer case, though he didn’t call himself emperor. By then it was over, the republic. But really it was over when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.

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    Didn't Sulla march his army into Rome before Caesar? The streets were said to be so innuadated with blood when Sulla entered Rome that you could paint walls red with it.
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  106. @Anonymous
    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of... I don't know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump's rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever... but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg's eccentricities being compared to? Trump's? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who... was elected President! As for the Democratic likely's in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg's strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went...

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a "cishet white man". No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian... but many "cishet white men" who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He's richer than Trump. He's probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I'll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man's success by the number and sex appeal of the women he's banged is ... while better than many things ... still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most "cishet white men" at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn't.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW's say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent "geeks". But they don't want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like "Nazis". Don't lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This "alliance" might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of "realism" and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the "idealism" of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists...) Couldn't this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn't exactly know how to deal with that. "Rome" seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I'll stop there.

    My vague impression is that Zuckerberg likes centrist politicians like Chris Christie and Cory Booker.

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    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).

    I think Zuck runs as an R.
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  107. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    I’m the same Anonymous as just ahead with the long comment. I just realized that my prior Zuckerberg comment some days ago (D, not M) was also in response to you. Yeah, she’s reading this, and that means he’s getting feedback. I think.

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  108. Friends of Antifa organized their dog poo protest on Fecesbook! You have been Woke-jacked, Zuckers!

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  109. @Patrick Harris
    It does often feel as if our Republic has reached, if not quite the Augustan epoch, at least that of Marius and Sulla.

    We already had our Caesar. His name was Lincoln. Granted, he was a prole in the service of plutocrats, unlike the real Caesar, who was upper-patrician.

    I’ve also heard TR was Gracchus and his cousin FDR was Caesar. He at least was patrician.

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  110. @Richard of Melbourne
    Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as "sugar hill".

    Whatever Mark and Priscilla call their children, we can think of their family as "The Sugar Hill Gang".

    “Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as ‘sugar hill’. ”

    Not so fast, Richard…

    Nobody was expecting bored identity’s inquisition:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donna-zuckerbergs-classics-mag-demands-the-dissembling-of-this-dangerously-misguided-dream-of-white-europe/#comment-1982772

    Actually, in hindsight, bored identity wished he had already apologized to The Emperor and his First Sister Donna Octavia Minor Saccharina;

    Now, would you be so kind to recall that Blue Thunder from making rounds above bored identity’s humble dwelling?

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  111. @Forbes
    The Zuck/Chan clan has two daughters--won't they take Mama's surname Chan? Otherwise the patriarchy will have won...

    I’ve never understood that ploy. The mother’s name is merely her father’s name. Patriarchy still wins!

    Of course, after a few generations that’ll get confused. But they won’t be able to escape the patriarchal origins. Unless they make up their own names. As people do, for instance with anagrams. It’s all very foolish.

    I’d like to see feminists and SJWs generally adopt Puritan-like names. Goody Raceblind and Blankslate Unprivileged, for instance. Or like blacks abandoning their slave names. “I’m Trigglypuff X, y’all!”

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    I wish I hadn't already used up my lol. So lol.
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  112. @TheJester
    What's next? An imperial decree that everyone at Facebook wear togas? Can we anticipate that Facebook's new $6 billion headquarters is going to resemble a Roman temple complex?

    But once that's settled, would we vote for a presidential candidate with imperial ambitions ... Marcus Zuckerbergus, First Citizen (Princeps) of the United States? Would Marcus also want the title Pontifex Maximus, although we can suppose that Pope Francis might have reservations about him claiming that honorific?

    Wait! If Marcus Zuckerberus becomes President, he won't have to build that new headquarters. Washington DC's architecture already resembles a massive Roman temple complex. Marcus would be perfect for the role of Imperator and I'm sure he would enthusiastically embrace the ongoing games and gladiatorial contests at the Circus Maximus on the Potomac.

    It's all clear now. I see Marcus' vision!

    I personally want to see a Facebook Pantheon. Is the “monumental” neoclassical style in? They still use it for government buildings, banks, museums, and so forth, of course.

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  113. @Not Raul
    Chilean dictator name = virtue signaling fail

    Or

    Chilean dictator name = mucho intersectional Pokémon points

    There are so many commie browns to choose from. You get no points for ones condemned as rightists.

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  114. His politics seem to be the polar opposite of his hero. Augustus would have had him banished or killed as an enemy of the people. Augustus was not a liberal or progressive.

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  115. @guest
    Caesar effectively destroyed the Republic. Broke the sacred law forbidding marching his army into the city (though it had been done before), and sweeping away everyday politics in favor of dictatorship, temporary or not. Not due to a crisis that needed solving, because he was the crisis. He unleashed generations of open violence to get on top and run the empire, rather than the deliberative if adversarial and violent system they had before.

    But he was in that limbo between empire and republic, and we don't know what he would've done had he not been murdered. Augustus is a clearer case, though he didn't call himself emperor. By then it was over, the republic. But really it was over when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.

    Didn’t Sulla march his army into Rome before Caesar? The streets were said to be so innuadated with blood when Sulla entered Rome that you could paint walls red with it.

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    Yes, he did. And that was a watershed incident, less appreciated than it oughtta be, considerimg people's interest in the general period. Caesar wasn't the first to break the Republic's peace.

    But after Sulla, things more or less went back to normal for a while. After Caesar, it was never the same.

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  116. @Steve Sailer
    What's wrong with Julia, as in Julius Caesar's daughter?

    Both of Zuck’s kiddies look like garden variety Chinese, not Italian. It is so often the case with whites who miscegenate. My informal survey of half- white kids in the local school is that they look like the non-white parent’s race 95% of the time. Perhaps Zuck should have named his kids after Chinese royalty. There’s a Chinese emporer whose name sounds like “Stick your dick in the tea” in Russian. Perfect for a Zuckerberg.

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  117. Augustus, of course, is the given name of the central character in the single funniest passage in a work of fiction. I refer, of course, to Gussie Fink-Nottle in P.G. Wodehouse’s Right Ho, Jeeves.

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  118. @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    Camry is a pretty feminine name. I knew a girl named Camile nicknamed Cammy.

    In the south east there is a big supermarket chain, Winn-Dixie. A couple named their girl boy twins Winn and Dixie. The names are both nice.

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  119. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    And of course it wasn’t just immigration, though that was the biggie. It was trade and war, too. Plus the Drain the Swamp thing, though I guess that’s covered by his outsider status.

    But Trump has a trump on the Zuck, and that’s his well-honed media persona. Even when he’s putting his foot in his mouth or making no sense, he gets away with it. Because he’s a Character and has played the PR game for decades.

    Zuck is highly recognizable and talked about, but I don’t think 99% of the electorate could even tell you what he sounds like. (Without thinking of Jesse Eisenberg, that is.) That’s why thinking of Zuck as an ancient Roman emperor is so funny. Because his persona is a smart rich dork in a t-shirt running a website for the dissemination of cat pictures who occasionally feeds cows.

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  120. @Jack Hanson
    Lot, you're like an anti-prophet.

    Yet I made like $1400 betting on the 2016 primary and general election. Check my comment history, I said everyone should buy Trump wins NC when it was even money and buy Trump Utah at the peak of the McMuffin bubble when it was about 3:2.

    I am betting on Zuck Runs right now. Got in at 22, now at 32. I will sell at 60.

    https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook’s-Mark-Zuckerberg-run-for-president-in-2020

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    What was up with the high spiking to 65 on August 2nd? Can you get data/charts farther back than 90 days?
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  121. @Richard of Melbourne
    Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as "sugar hill".

    Whatever Mark and Priscilla call their children, we can think of their family as "The Sugar Hill Gang".

    “Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as ‘sugar hill’. ”

    Not so fast, Richard…

    Nobody was expecting bored identity’s inquisition:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donna-zuckerbergs-classics-mag-demands-the-dissembling-of-this-dangerously-misguided-dream-of-white-europe/#comment-1982772

    Actually, in hindsight, bored identity wished he had already apologized to The Emperor and his First Sister Donna Octavia Minor Saccharina;

    Now, would you be so kind to recall that Blue Thunder from making rounds above bored identity’s humble dwelling?

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    Fair enough: I can't claim priority for using "Sugar Hill" for Mr Zuckerberg.

    But unless I'm mistaken, no-one has previously suggested his family be known as "The Sugar Hill Gang" - has he?
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  122. @Ed
    Didn't Sulla march his army into Rome before Caesar? The streets were said to be so innuadated with blood when Sulla entered Rome that you could paint walls red with it.

    Yes, he did. And that was a watershed incident, less appreciated than it oughtta be, considerimg people’s interest in the general period. Caesar wasn’t the first to break the Republic’s peace.

    But after Sulla, things more or less went back to normal for a while. After Caesar, it was never the same.

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  123. Zuckerberg has a minimum of 40 IQ points on Kamla Harris and he has a vision: a shiny America where technology solves all problems

    That may be nonsense but what is the vision of the GOP? An increasingly shabby America where lowering the marginal tax rate for the top 1% solves all problems?

    This guy went head to head with Google while in his 20s and he beat them. Kamla Harris or the GOP won’t scare him.

    Of course his sister may be trying to sabotage all that by going full SJW but I suspect he will rein her in as he gets closer to announcing

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    IQ isn't everything. This is politics not a quiz show. People don't like being spoken down to. If he doesn't know how to communicate with people. If he can't connect with the white working class or blacks he's not going anywhere. He won't even win the Dem primary.
    , @Anon
    Solving all problems with tech won't appeal to working-class voters. They are the people who end up being replaced by tech, and they know it. They want jobs for themselves, not more technology.
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  124. Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:

    http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/its-not-that-bad.html

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    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:
     
    And here:

    when IQ differences are greater than 30 points, leader/follower relationships will break down or will not form. It establishes an absolute limit to the intellectual gulf between leader and followers.
     

    ...D.K. Simonton found that persuasiveness is at its maximum when the IQ differential between speaker and audience is about 20 points.

    ...This has been corroborated with empirical studies of manager and leader success, which peaks between a 1.0 and 1.2 standard deviation differential.
     


    ...We already know that elites have an average IQ of about 125 (R16 128) which implies that the audience that is to be convinced by the elites has a mean R16IQ of 108... People with R16IQs below 98...are not effective followers and in a modern meritocracy are essentially disenfranchised and in the public discourse, essentially 'The Clueless'. It means that the 'The Followers' in the public discourse have a R16IQ mode of 108 R16IQ and 'The Leaders' have a R16IQ mode of 128 (125 D15IQ). These calculations provide us with a theoretical understanding of why the intellectually elite professions so consistently have mean D15IQs of 125.
     

    ...In free markets people choose to whom they listen. In other words, in audiences dominated by high school graduates, who average around 105 IQ, the successful leaders will have an average IQ of 105+20=125. Speakers with R16IQs over 105+30=135 (D15IQ130) will be cancelled from radio, fired from TV and print or not elected because they confuse rather than enlighten their audience. A college educated audience (115 IQ) will be most convinced by a R16IQ of 115+20=135 and confused by a 115+30=145 R16IQ (140 D15IQ).
     

    ...So we see that these parameters of maximum persuasiveness of 20 R16 points and maximum leader/follower differential of 30 R16 points, create a natural trifurcation of enfranchised people into 'The Advisors' (128-168 R16IQ; 125-155 D15IQ), Leaders (115-141 R16IQ; 112-138 D15IQ) and Followers (98-128 R16IQ; 98-125 D15IQ) 'The Clueless' with D15 IQs below 98 are effectively lost to the process. They cannot really understand the public discourse and will often not follow discussions in productive environments.

    People with D15IQs over 150 are effectively 'The Excluded', routinely finding their thoughts to be unconvincing in the public discourse and in productive environments. If placed in a leadership position, they will not succeed.
     

    [and much more]

    http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html


    Zuckerberg obviously succeeds, but with a highly pre-selected group of already-high IQ followers.

    With the masses, he does, and will, struggle to connect, and seem 'real'.

    Pretty much the effect we can already sense.

    , @Autochthon
    It's lonely at the top, but one learns to accept others with age and wisdom, and forge bonds with others for their own virtues and strengths.

    I once passed a couple in a marathon and chatted with them briefly. The man was a regular Adonis serving as a diver for the navy. His wife was pretty and bright but a mediocre athlete. He was obviously running at about forty per cent of his capacity, if that. Why? Because he loved his wife.

    Intelligent people learn to do the same kind of thing when interacting with worthy people who may not be as intelligent.
    , @guest
    Of course there is a gap, and those far enough apart intelligence-wise won't ever truly understand eachother. But conversation is an art (as well as a game), and in the Bad Old Days they were able to communicate over gaps in social class, for instance. It merely required patronizing (which has admittedly become a bad word) from above and deference from below. But no one is willing to admit superiority.* We're all equal, or whatever.

    If that doesn't work, we have bourgeois manners, which treats all strangers as equal, at least in how you talk to them. If you can't understand eachother, at least you'll be polite and have a smooth if empty exchange. But manners are degenerating.

    Zuck, being an aficionado of the classics, oughtta be familiar with rhetoric. That's the art of speaking and writing, as well as persuasion. Cicero, for instance, was an exceptionally intelligent guy who rose to prominence by speechifying to huddled masses as a lawyer and politician. Zuck could learn.

    *Not strictly. There are recognized hierarchies in age, specialized knowledge (if it's hard factual knowledge, or the appearance of such based on credentials), and Diversity Pokemon Points.

    Our class structure is largely determined by intelligence, per Charles Murray's work. But this is not officially recognized. The well-off like to think they're intelligent, though hard work and creativity may be more often stressed. But no one admits the whole game is about IQ. They don't want to even admit IQ exists.

    Intelligence gives you a bigger salary and higher social position, if you use it correctly. But it doesn't give you conversational advantage. Because We're All the Same. You can't demand deference, for the less intelligent to call you "guv'nor," unless you're an acknowleged expert in a field, or something.

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  125. @Anonymous
    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of... I don't know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump's rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever... but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg's eccentricities being compared to? Trump's? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who... was elected President! As for the Democratic likely's in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg's strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went...

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a "cishet white man". No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian... but many "cishet white men" who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He's richer than Trump. He's probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I'll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man's success by the number and sex appeal of the women he's banged is ... while better than many things ... still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most "cishet white men" at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn't.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW's say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent "geeks". But they don't want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like "Nazis". Don't lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This "alliance" might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of "realism" and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the "idealism" of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists...) Couldn't this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn't exactly know how to deal with that. "Rome" seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I'll stop there.

    Some other Zuck advantages is that he is youthful and energetic, appears to be devoted to the same woman his entire adult life, and will have an emotional appeal to Jews/NE Asians.

    The closest think we have had to a tech billionaire running for president was Perot, who could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing.

    If he does get in, the Dem primary will be wild. His path to victory could also replicate Trump’s: the establishment candidates split the vote 4 or 5 ways while Zuck takes the segments ignored by the establishment: new economy nerds, asians, and middle American white moderates. They are certainly a minority of Dem primary, but Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, and Cuomo will be splitting the black and SJW voters four ways.

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    could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing

    Perot was not there to win. He was there to make sure Bush would not win. The same thing Teddy Roosevelt did to Taft.
    , @res
    How do you think Zuck would respond to BLM on his podium? One thing I think people here are missing in the Trump/Zuck comparison is Trump's decades of experience in manufacturing and promoting his public persona. Perhaps Zuck will be able to make it through the campaign and debates with no major missteps, but I don't see his previous experience really preparing him for that.

    I wonder how the black and SJW voters would react to a candidate who defeats someone they think "deserves" the nomination and is one of them. Their expectations are sky high right now.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, uh, after carefully considering your main points regarding Zuck, I have to honestly say that I cannot continue to smoke this pipe dream any longer.

    For one thing, Zuckerberg's being Jewish may not go over so well with black voters. Something to consider though it may not be PC to state it. Many blacks harbor anti-semitic views and may not agree to vote for him in the same vein that they did for Obama, and especially if he chooses a white (or a real light skinned black) to run with him. To black voters, he's just another whitey.

    Another thing to consider, is that Zuckerberg is very much pro-open borders and all of his pubic statements as well as the organizations he's funded bear this out. Also, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Trump, who, because of his traditional brick and mortar businesses, can plausibly claim to have directly created hundreds of thousands (if not more) jobs during his forty plus career.

    How many US workers does Facebook employ? 50? 100? Perhaps 1,000 at most. So, over a little more than a decade Zuck could lay claim to create about 1,000 US based jobs (at most) and about 50-100 at worst. Doesn't sound like a businessman who's looking out for the little guy. In fact, it sounds like someone along the lines of Mitt Romney.

    Professionally speaking, and allowing for the quirkiness of both candidates, I see little difference between Zuckerberg and Mitt Romney. Both worked in fields that produce intangible things, have engaged in outsourcing, and don't particularly give a damn about helping the middle classes.

    I fully get WHY the lower middle class white family in OH, MI, WI, PA, IN, IA voted for Trump. I can never imagine them ever getting enthusiastically exited to go and vote for Zuckerberg. Why would they? Cause he likes Augustus Ceasar? I can't imagine for the second coming before dawn, that Mark Zuckerberg would ever take such a tangible position as "Let's build a wall on the Southern Border, yeah! Let's do it!" That's not in his profile. That might make many of his pals in Silicon Valley upset and they wouldn't campaign for him. I mean, where is a potential Zuck base for voting for him? Sanders and even Hillary you can see it. Obama's base was obvious. There's nothing for Zuck.


    Did millions of desperate and disillusioned, out of work white families desperate to stay afloat put their trust in the likes of outsourcer Mitt Romney? That's right, they didn't. Same thing with Zuck. He doesn't register much less relate to ordinary Americans, especially compared with "The People's Billionaire".

    In some ways, publicly identifying with Augustus and not with Joe and Jane Blow in Ash Cosh WI, Bakersfield,CA Zionsville,IN Butler, PA (the Brexit states) only makes Trump's case even more. "That guy with the weird cockamamie haircut who wouldn't know a hammer from nail's gonna build the wall and clamp down on immigration? Nah, that's so lame!"

    I mean, the top 1% simply doesn't have that many votes at the actual ballot box. Too much of a pipe dream and I wouldn't want to wake up from having taken that bad trip.

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  126. @Alden
    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,

    I hope the Zuckerbergs have more kids one every year till she turns 40. The liberals and feminazis will have a fit.,

    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,

    Traditional names (the older the better) are always a solid choice. A friend of mine recently gave birth to a baby girl, and she was torn between naming her either Madison or Rachel. I convinced her to go with Rachel. It’s been around for millennia.

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    With your inclinations, a bit surprised you didn't suggest Katherine, the name of Queens and Empresses alike.
    , @Marat Said
    I did the opposite, trying to dissuade someone from naming their daughter Rachel.

    Me: Do you know Rachel means "ewe"? Are you going to name your daughter "sheep"? "Female sheep", how can you do that to her?!

    The mother wasn't fazed by this information. She chose the name for its sound, had no idea that it meant anything, and figured (accurately, it appears) that no one else would either know or care.
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  127. Why did Zuck marry a Chinese?

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    In the Social Network they show either a Jewish frat party, or just a generic Jewish mixer. Asian ladies show up, and the characters talk about Jewish men's attraction to Asian girls, which is apparently a Thing.

    Later, the co-founder dates a Crazy Asian Girlfriend.

    In real life, Zuck marries an Asian.

    I guess it's just a Thing.
    , @StillCARealist
    smart Chinese girls keep their virginity until marriage (or at least betrothal). Other races of women could learn a lesson.
    , @Anon
    There's a higher percentage of Asian women than there used to be in the computing and tech industry, so that's why they're marrying nerdy guys. The percentage of Asian women in US colleges has also increased dramatically in the last 40 years, so that means more white guys-Asian women hookups.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Because no white woman was interested. Perhaps there aren't as many non-Jewish white women at Harvard the way there used to be.
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  128. Another Wojcicked Video.

    Black Pigeon Video shot down.

    Someone else posted a copy.

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  129. @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    considering his classical education

    What classical education? He was a psychology dropout.

    People with real classical educations don’t say things like

    I made us go to all of these different historical and classical places.

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    Zuck took Latin and Greek in high school.
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  130. I think it does appear that Steve has finally found someone to replace Malcolm Gladwell. Obama was never really going to fit the bill. He’s the president, and everyone comments on the president ’cause they have to when covering politics.

    Perhaps if Steve were to write a few essays on the highlights of August Ceasar’s reign, that might catch Zuckerberg’s attention and he’d promptly contact him about it. And it might open up some conversations about other things (e.g. tech industry, NoCal life in general, why the heck are they removing Lewis Terman off of schools, the father of the Father of Silicon Valley, did he like how he was portrayed in The Social Media, etc.)

    Two, maybe three articles on Augustus and Zuckerberg comes a calling. (via Faceook naurally) And as Bogie said in Casablanca:
    “Augus–Er, I mean Mark, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.”
    “No problem. Then, I’ll have that article by Friday on why Augustan literature has vastly overrated Virgil at the expense of Livy?”
    “It’s almost done, just looking for the motivation.”
    “Livy got a raw deal, he’s every bit the equal to Virgil, and my sister says so too, though don’t ever tell her I agree with her on that.”
    “And you’ll remember to persuade that school district in Marin to rename their school after Louis Terman?”
    “Who? Oh, the Mr IQ guy? I can’t work miracles here.”
    “Motivation won’t be easy, Mark. So many historians rate Virgil very highly.”
    “I’ll see what I can do. What’s an elementary school anyway? A names a name, but there’s only one Livy!”
    “There is some truth in what you say.”
    “You know, almost considered naming my kid Livy, but well that’s a guy’s name. But sure, consider it done. Lewis Terman will be back on the school in no time.”

    And that’s how it gets done. Something for something in return.

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  131. @syonredux

    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,
     
    Traditional names (the older the better) are always a solid choice. A friend of mine recently gave birth to a baby girl, and she was torn between naming her either Madison or Rachel. I convinced her to go with Rachel. It's been around for millennia.

    With your inclinations, a bit surprised you didn’t suggest Katherine, the name of Queens and Empresses alike.

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  132. @Anon
    If Maxima ends up being a chunky teen, she's going to hate her parents.

    And probably resent her younger, thinner sister Minima.

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  133. @jim jones
    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:

    http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/its-not-that-bad.html

    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:

    And here:

    when IQ differences are greater than 30 points, leader/follower relationships will break down or will not form. It establishes an absolute limit to the intellectual gulf between leader and followers.

    …D.K. Simonton found that persuasiveness is at its maximum when the IQ differential between speaker and audience is about 20 points.

    …This has been corroborated with empirical studies of manager and leader success, which peaks between a 1.0 and 1.2 standard deviation differential.

    …We already know that elites have an average IQ of about 125 (R16 128) which implies that the audience that is to be convinced by the elites has a mean R16IQ of 108… People with R16IQs below 98…are not effective followers and in a modern meritocracy are essentially disenfranchised and in the public discourse, essentially ‘The Clueless’. It means that the ‘The Followers’ in the public discourse have a R16IQ mode of 108 R16IQ and ‘The Leaders’ have a R16IQ mode of 128 (125 D15IQ). These calculations provide us with a theoretical understanding of why the intellectually elite professions so consistently have mean D15IQs of 125.

    …In free markets people choose to whom they listen. In other words, in audiences dominated by high school graduates, who average around 105 IQ, the successful leaders will have an average IQ of 105+20=125. Speakers with R16IQs over 105+30=135 (D15IQ130) will be cancelled from radio, fired from TV and print or not elected because they confuse rather than enlighten their audience. A college educated audience (115 IQ) will be most convinced by a R16IQ of 115+20=135 and confused by a 115+30=145 R16IQ (140 D15IQ).

    …So we see that these parameters of maximum persuasiveness of 20 R16 points and maximum leader/follower differential of 30 R16 points, create a natural trifurcation of enfranchised people into ‘The Advisors’ (128-168 R16IQ; 125-155 D15IQ), Leaders (115-141 R16IQ; 112-138 D15IQ) and Followers (98-128 R16IQ; 98-125 D15IQ) ‘The Clueless’ with D15 IQs below 98 are effectively lost to the process. They cannot really understand the public discourse and will often not follow discussions in productive environments.

    People with D15IQs over 150 are effectively ‘The Excluded’, routinely finding their thoughts to be unconvincing in the public discourse and in productive environments. If placed in a leadership position, they will not succeed.

    [and much more]

    http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html

    Zuckerberg obviously succeeds, but with a highly pre-selected group of already-high IQ followers.

    With the masses, he does, and will, struggle to connect, and seem ‘real’.

    Pretty much the effect we can already sense.

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    The 30 IQ gap idea is in Heinlein's 1948 juvenile novel "Space Cadet."
    , @Anonymous
    That's what photo ops and speechwriters are for.
    , @TheJester
    Zuckerberg suffers from a fatal arrogance ... probably due to his reflexive assessment of his high IQ as well as what happened to him that magic summer when angel investors launched him into the stratosphere. Zuck once made the comment that he could afford to drop out of Harvard at the end of his sophomore year because he knew he had the resources (and, one assumes, the intelligence) to land on his feet regardless of what he did in life. In a self-assessment, he proved it.

    Arrogance also explains Zuck's plan, as President, to pass out "free" money to the proles so that they have the free time and free money to do what he did ... learn to code, design an app to pick up girls, and make billions in Silicon Valley. (We know in our hearts that is not what the proles would do with "free" money.)

    Zuck's message: "I want everyone to have the opportunity to be like me, as I model myself after Augustus, the first Emperor of Rome ... Princeps and Pontifex Maximus and lots of other things." He wants the universe modeled on his eminence.

    "No thanks, Zuck, I'll pass."
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  134. @jim jones
    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:

    http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/its-not-that-bad.html

    It’s lonely at the top, but one learns to accept others with age and wisdom, and forge bonds with others for their own virtues and strengths.

    I once passed a couple in a marathon and chatted with them briefly. The man was a regular Adonis serving as a diver for the navy. His wife was pretty and bright but a mediocre athlete. He was obviously running at about forty per cent of his capacity, if that. Why? Because he loved his wife.

    Intelligent people learn to do the same kind of thing when interacting with worthy people who may not be as intelligent.

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  135. @Vermont Apple
    They should've called their second daughter Minima.

    They should’ve called their second daughter Minima.

    And their third, ‘Mean’

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    And their third, ‘Mean’
     
    And their fourth, "Median".
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  136. @jim jones
    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:

    http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/its-not-that-bad.html

    Of course there is a gap, and those far enough apart intelligence-wise won’t ever truly understand eachother. But conversation is an art (as well as a game), and in the Bad Old Days they were able to communicate over gaps in social class, for instance. It merely required patronizing (which has admittedly become a bad word) from above and deference from below. But no one is willing to admit superiority.* We’re all equal, or whatever.

    If that doesn’t work, we have bourgeois manners, which treats all strangers as equal, at least in how you talk to them. If you can’t understand eachother, at least you’ll be polite and have a smooth if empty exchange. But manners are degenerating.

    Zuck, being an aficionado of the classics, oughtta be familiar with rhetoric. That’s the art of speaking and writing, as well as persuasion. Cicero, for instance, was an exceptionally intelligent guy who rose to prominence by speechifying to huddled masses as a lawyer and politician. Zuck could learn.

    *Not strictly. There are recognized hierarchies in age, specialized knowledge (if it’s hard factual knowledge, or the appearance of such based on credentials), and Diversity Pokemon Points.

    Our class structure is largely determined by intelligence, per Charles Murray’s work. But this is not officially recognized. The well-off like to think they’re intelligent, though hard work and creativity may be more often stressed. But no one admits the whole game is about IQ. They don’t want to even admit IQ exists.

    Intelligence gives you a bigger salary and higher social position, if you use it correctly. But it doesn’t give you conversational advantage. Because We’re All the Same. You can’t demand deference, for the less intelligent to call you “guv’nor,” unless you’re an acknowleged expert in a field, or something.

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  137. @Alden
    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,

    I hope the Zuckerbergs have more kids one every year till she turns 40. The liberals and feminazis will have a fit.,

    Fine, Celtic names. Albeit surnames, thus easily marking appropriation when used as Christian names. Nairna, Deirdre, Gwenhwyfar, and Rhiannon are beautiful names. (Siobhan suffers somewhat from excessive appropriation by Negroes.)

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  138. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that Zuckerberg likes centrist politicians like Chris Christie and Cory Booker.

    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).

    I think Zuck runs as an R.

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    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).
     
    You do know that Arnold was re-elected in his own right, correct?

    But perhaps you mean that Trump will mirror him in another respect: Arnie tried to govern as a right-populist for a few months after his election in the 2003 recall, but after being stymied by the legislature and in referenda, he decided eff this for a game of soldiers, fired Pete Wilson and all the others who were coaching him in his start, and governed as a bog-standard liberal for the remainder of his six years in office in a ploy for high approval ratings.

    Trump doesn't have that option. The MSM will not allow him to "mellow" into another RINO.
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  139. @mobi

    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:
     
    And here:

    when IQ differences are greater than 30 points, leader/follower relationships will break down or will not form. It establishes an absolute limit to the intellectual gulf between leader and followers.
     

    ...D.K. Simonton found that persuasiveness is at its maximum when the IQ differential between speaker and audience is about 20 points.

    ...This has been corroborated with empirical studies of manager and leader success, which peaks between a 1.0 and 1.2 standard deviation differential.
     


    ...We already know that elites have an average IQ of about 125 (R16 128) which implies that the audience that is to be convinced by the elites has a mean R16IQ of 108... People with R16IQs below 98...are not effective followers and in a modern meritocracy are essentially disenfranchised and in the public discourse, essentially 'The Clueless'. It means that the 'The Followers' in the public discourse have a R16IQ mode of 108 R16IQ and 'The Leaders' have a R16IQ mode of 128 (125 D15IQ). These calculations provide us with a theoretical understanding of why the intellectually elite professions so consistently have mean D15IQs of 125.
     

    ...In free markets people choose to whom they listen. In other words, in audiences dominated by high school graduates, who average around 105 IQ, the successful leaders will have an average IQ of 105+20=125. Speakers with R16IQs over 105+30=135 (D15IQ130) will be cancelled from radio, fired from TV and print or not elected because they confuse rather than enlighten their audience. A college educated audience (115 IQ) will be most convinced by a R16IQ of 115+20=135 and confused by a 115+30=145 R16IQ (140 D15IQ).
     

    ...So we see that these parameters of maximum persuasiveness of 20 R16 points and maximum leader/follower differential of 30 R16 points, create a natural trifurcation of enfranchised people into 'The Advisors' (128-168 R16IQ; 125-155 D15IQ), Leaders (115-141 R16IQ; 112-138 D15IQ) and Followers (98-128 R16IQ; 98-125 D15IQ) 'The Clueless' with D15 IQs below 98 are effectively lost to the process. They cannot really understand the public discourse and will often not follow discussions in productive environments.

    People with D15IQs over 150 are effectively 'The Excluded', routinely finding their thoughts to be unconvincing in the public discourse and in productive environments. If placed in a leadership position, they will not succeed.
     

    [and much more]

    http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html


    Zuckerberg obviously succeeds, but with a highly pre-selected group of already-high IQ followers.

    With the masses, he does, and will, struggle to connect, and seem 'real'.

    Pretty much the effect we can already sense.

    The 30 IQ gap idea is in Heinlein’s 1948 juvenile novel “Space Cadet.”

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  140. @mobi

    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:
     
    And here:

    when IQ differences are greater than 30 points, leader/follower relationships will break down or will not form. It establishes an absolute limit to the intellectual gulf between leader and followers.
     

    ...D.K. Simonton found that persuasiveness is at its maximum when the IQ differential between speaker and audience is about 20 points.

    ...This has been corroborated with empirical studies of manager and leader success, which peaks between a 1.0 and 1.2 standard deviation differential.
     


    ...We already know that elites have an average IQ of about 125 (R16 128) which implies that the audience that is to be convinced by the elites has a mean R16IQ of 108... People with R16IQs below 98...are not effective followers and in a modern meritocracy are essentially disenfranchised and in the public discourse, essentially 'The Clueless'. It means that the 'The Followers' in the public discourse have a R16IQ mode of 108 R16IQ and 'The Leaders' have a R16IQ mode of 128 (125 D15IQ). These calculations provide us with a theoretical understanding of why the intellectually elite professions so consistently have mean D15IQs of 125.
     

    ...In free markets people choose to whom they listen. In other words, in audiences dominated by high school graduates, who average around 105 IQ, the successful leaders will have an average IQ of 105+20=125. Speakers with R16IQs over 105+30=135 (D15IQ130) will be cancelled from radio, fired from TV and print or not elected because they confuse rather than enlighten their audience. A college educated audience (115 IQ) will be most convinced by a R16IQ of 115+20=135 and confused by a 115+30=145 R16IQ (140 D15IQ).
     

    ...So we see that these parameters of maximum persuasiveness of 20 R16 points and maximum leader/follower differential of 30 R16 points, create a natural trifurcation of enfranchised people into 'The Advisors' (128-168 R16IQ; 125-155 D15IQ), Leaders (115-141 R16IQ; 112-138 D15IQ) and Followers (98-128 R16IQ; 98-125 D15IQ) 'The Clueless' with D15 IQs below 98 are effectively lost to the process. They cannot really understand the public discourse and will often not follow discussions in productive environments.

    People with D15IQs over 150 are effectively 'The Excluded', routinely finding their thoughts to be unconvincing in the public discourse and in productive environments. If placed in a leadership position, they will not succeed.
     

    [and much more]

    http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html


    Zuckerberg obviously succeeds, but with a highly pre-selected group of already-high IQ followers.

    With the masses, he does, and will, struggle to connect, and seem 'real'.

    Pretty much the effect we can already sense.

    That’s what photo ops and speechwriters are for.

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  141. @mobi
    First daughter is Maxima, in lieu of Maximus.

    ‘If you were a cloaca, you’d be the cloaca maximus’- standard comeback to someone boasting too much in rhetoric class. I wonder if Zuckerberg, who knows way more latin than me, thought this through.

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  142. @Anon

    considering his classical education
     
    What classical education? He was a psychology dropout.

    People with real classical educations don't say things like

    I made us go to all of these different historical and classical places.
     

    Zuck took Latin and Greek in high school.

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    I took Latin at my Grammar School, if I had the choice now I would study Mandarin Chinese
    , @Bill
    A classical education isn't taking Latin and Greek in high school.
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  143. @Steve Sailer
    My parents bought a 1985 Maxima.

    A nice car although the new computer controls went out a lot.

    My sister had an ’85 Maxima at the same time (early ’90s) I had an ’85 Mustang. It’s hard to pithily describe how much better a car the Maxima was in every way. The quality gap between American and Japanese cars has narrowed a lot since, but back then it was enormous.

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  144. @Steve Sailer
    Or perhaps Zuckerberg, the richest self-made man of his generation, is a quite masculine guy who has a number of stereotypically masculine hobbies, such as bloodsports, Roman history, and running for President.

    He certainly does his grilling himself. He live streamed it.

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  145. @Anonymous
    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of... I don't know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump's rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever... but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg's eccentricities being compared to? Trump's? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who... was elected President! As for the Democratic likely's in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg's strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went...

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a "cishet white man". No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian... but many "cishet white men" who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He's richer than Trump. He's probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I'll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man's success by the number and sex appeal of the women he's banged is ... while better than many things ... still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most "cishet white men" at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn't.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW's say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent "geeks". But they don't want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like "Nazis". Don't lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This "alliance" might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of "realism" and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the "idealism" of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists...) Couldn't this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn't exactly know how to deal with that. "Rome" seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I'll stop there.

    B

    ut judging a man’s success by the number and sex appeal of the women he’s banged is … while better than many things … still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most “cishet white men” at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    Can you explain further? IMO you are making an overly optimistic assumption about how much your target demographic is going to agree upon, the complex fact.

    Not refuting, heck I don’t know, but just an observation and I’d like to understand both why you feel it is decadent and furthermore why you feel most cishet white dudes will sort of intuitively agree.

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  146. @Alec Leamas

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used.
     
    How about the Cardinal Virtues and Heavenly Graces?

    i.e. Prudence, Faith, Hope and Charity? Or Grace, Constance, Joy?

    I’ve always been a fan of Grace. As a name I mean, not a theological point.

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  147. @Anonymous
    Zuck took Latin and Greek in high school.

    I took Latin at my Grammar School, if I had the choice now I would study Mandarin Chinese

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  148. @Lot
    Some other Zuck advantages is that he is youthful and energetic, appears to be devoted to the same woman his entire adult life, and will have an emotional appeal to Jews/NE Asians.

    The closest think we have had to a tech billionaire running for president was Perot, who could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing.

    If he does get in, the Dem primary will be wild. His path to victory could also replicate Trump's: the establishment candidates split the vote 4 or 5 ways while Zuck takes the segments ignored by the establishment: new economy nerds, asians, and middle American white moderates. They are certainly a minority of Dem primary, but Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, and Cuomo will be splitting the black and SJW voters four ways.

    could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing

    Perot was not there to win. He was there to make sure Bush would not win. The same thing Teddy Roosevelt did to Taft.

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  149. Maxima and August are both about increase, expansion…

    Augustus from Latin augere “to increase”.

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  150. @DFH
    Why did Zuck marry a Chinese?

    In the Social Network they show either a Jewish frat party, or just a generic Jewish mixer. Asian ladies show up, and the characters talk about Jewish men’s attraction to Asian girls, which is apparently a Thing.

    Later, the co-founder dates a Crazy Asian Girlfriend.

    In real life, Zuck marries an Asian.

    I guess it’s just a Thing.

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    In my experience, it's a Thing with Jewish guys with sisters.
    , @syonredux
    <blockquote>In one of the film’s early scenes, Zuckerberg and friends are partying at the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi, on “Caribbean Night,” when they observe a group of Asian-American young women dancing in a cluster.

    “There’s an algorithm for the connection between Jewish guys and Asian girls,” one of Zuckerberg’s friends says wryly. “They’re hot, smart, not Jewish and can dance.”


    Sorkin would have us believe that in the eyes of some Jewish men — or at least, you know, those run-of-the-mill Harvard scholars — one of the best things about being an Asian woman is that she isn’t a Jewish woman. If this were pure fiction, it might sting a little less, but unfortunately it isn’t: Zuckerberg, who might be the most eligible Jewish bachelor in the world met his current girlfriend, Chinese-American medical student Priscilla Chan on erev Shabbat at an AEPi party during his sophomore year.
     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-berrin/the-social-network-mark-z_b_741914.html
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  151. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    But can he win the Democratic nomination without adopting these stances? Hillary and Sanders had to do it to become the top two contenders.

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  152. @Veracitor
    The happy parents could have gone with "Octavia."

    As for Zuck's masculinity, how many mistresses has he taken?

    As for his Romanesque ambitions, Zuck needs to borrow more money so more people want him to succeed so he'll be able to pay back his debts. He also needs to find a Marcus Agrippa.

    At least Zuck's wife is not known to have a son by a previous marriage whom she wishes to make Emperor.
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  153. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    Steve, any thoughts on reviewing Wolf Warrior 2? It sounds interesting:

    To be clear, it's not a good movie. It's flat, airless, and barely sound mixed (I mean, at least Michael Bay at least gets energy and lighting). Sure, the fighting is pretty good, but the cinematography cuts it to pieces. There isn't even any of the absurdly unrealistic flare that makes Bollywood action so much fun. Instead, there's just guileless propaganda. I'm talking constant shots of the Chinese flag. Constant scenes of the Chinese military showing their benevolent might. Constant references to their great status with the UN. Constant references to how America has abandoned a world in crisis (okay, that one is pretty accurate). Constant one-upmanship in the face of other forces who oppose them ("I guess the Chinese military isn't so lame after all!" is an actual line). It even ends with a non-translated-for-outsiders title card from the Chinese government telling their citizens they will protect them abroad (I'm not kidding).
     

    But it really is propaganda all the way down through the storytelling itself. What, with its by-the-book plotting, stock romance, juvenile swearing, and cheesy treatment of sacrifice. China has even recently come to the ugly epiphany that filling your movie with blood and violence only spurs on the patriotic zeal even more, along with a greater sense of antagonism. And make no mistake, it's "America" on the other side of this depiction. The one personified by the villain played by good old Frank Grillo, happily enjoying what I hope was a kick ass paycheck. His character "big daddy" is everything absurd and stupid and backward about American politics, all dressed up with all the nuance of a mustache twirl. Nothing about any of his actions makes sense, except to kill as many people as possible for no reason and just seem really, really bad.

     


    Oh yeah, this film takes place in Africa. And look how swell these main characters are, constantly adopting African children. Look how happy everyone is to see the Chinese as they are saved. And in turn, the Chinese love Africa so much they'll compliment their women, portray them as bonfire-dancing extras, and shoot bullet after bullet until the movie piles up more dead Africans than I've ever seen in my entire god damn life. But don't worry, they're shooting the bad Africans! The bad Africans who spent all the rest of the time shooting all the sad doe-eyed good Africans! Which not only downplays the enormous complexity of African politics, but also our role within it. The film never even says the country where it takes place, just "Africa" as if it was one thing. But hey, it's all just a stand-in for "black" as it's mostly trying to put a band-aid on the country's explicit racism against black people.
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/28/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-reflexive-propaganda-of-wolf-warrior-2

    It's grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624...

    It’s grossed (according to Box Office Mojo) $771,174,624…

    The Chinese portion of this was $769,797,959. The Chinese have fairly esoteric tastes. Most of their domestic blockbusters are unwatchable abroad. I’ve been unable to get through more than 10 minutes of any of their high-grossing (in China) domestic productions that I’ve come across. Whereas Hong Kong, Taiwanese, Japanese and Korean productions are usually somewhat watchable. I can deal with the subtitles, but a great many Chinese movie plots are just head-scratching in their strangeness.

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  154. @dearieme
    Girls used to be called Augusta. And come to that, Julia. And Claudia. Maybe it's time for a revival of classical and cod-classical names. Tiberia? Too close to Siberia?

    Or months. April, May and June used to be used. How about using names of months from the French Revolution? Thermidor: who could resist calling a little pink baby girl Thermidor?

    How about Trixie ?

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  155. @Thea
    That Japanese psychologist who got fired for telling the truth of sexual appeal of various races said that couples where the wife is more attractive than the husband have more daughters.

    Ok, but neither Priscilla nor Mark Cuckerberg are attractive.

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  156. @International Jew
    What, Zuck name his kid for the kind of cheap car one of his Indian software engineers would drive? Camry, anyone? Accord?

    And, considering his classical education, he would have named her Augusta, not August, if he had the emperor in mind.

    It reminds me of a black comedian back in the 80s who riffed on names black people used to give their kids: just name them after the latest Toyota.

    And yes, I’ve met TWO guys named Tercel!

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  157. @Mr. Anon
    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.

    Smart ten-year-old boys still like his movies.

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  158. @Thea
    That Japanese psychologist who got fired for telling the truth of sexual appeal of various races said that couples where the wife is more attractive than the husband have more daughters.

    Is a question like “Who’s uglier: Zuck or Mrs Zuck?” more unpleasant than it is uninteresting or more uninteresting than it is unpleasant?

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  159. @bored identity




    "Nobody has yet pointed out that Zuckerberg translates as 'sugar hill'. "

     

    Not so fast, Richard...

    Nobody was expecting bored identity's inquisition:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donna-zuckerbergs-classics-mag-demands-the-dissembling-of-this-dangerously-misguided-dream-of-white-europe/#comment-1982772


    Actually, in hindsight, bored identity wished he had already apologized to The Emperor and his First Sister Donna Octavia Minor Saccharina;

    Now, would you be so kind to recall that Blue Thunder from making rounds above bored identity's humble dwelling?

    Fair enough: I can’t claim priority for using “Sugar Hill” for Mr Zuckerberg.

    But unless I’m mistaken, no-one has previously suggested his family be known as “The Sugar Hill Gang” – has he?

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    The Sugar Hill Gang is a good one.

    I was trying to do something with Neil Young's "Sugar Mountain" song a few years ago, when I discovered Donna Z's "Sugar Mountain" desert baking blog.

    But Sugar Hill Gang is better.

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  160. @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

    The fact that you are a girl named Carol seems relevant.

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  161. @Richard of Melbourne
    Fair enough: I can't claim priority for using "Sugar Hill" for Mr Zuckerberg.

    But unless I'm mistaken, no-one has previously suggested his family be known as "The Sugar Hill Gang" - has he?

    The Sugar Hill Gang is a good one.

    I was trying to do something with Neil Young’s “Sugar Mountain” song a few years ago, when I discovered Donna Z’s “Sugar Mountain” desert baking blog.

    But Sugar Hill Gang is better.

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  162. @Steve Sailer
    Giving a girl a girl's name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

    Pokémon points if you do … Pokémon points if you don’t.

    Virtue signaling offers such grand possibilities. That’s why the Left loves it. Like so much else in their arsenal of “feelz good” adolescent seditives, you can be praised for “doing your own thing”, regardless of what it is … like claiming you are changing your gender, or not; or, bragging about having sought refuge in “safe spaces” to ward off evil White spirits, or not.

    The virtue is in advertising your willingness to act … on anything: Nietzsche’s Will to Power, albeit almost always about the most trivial of things. It’s the shallow world of Political Correctness with True Believers feeling a collective empowerment in a world of ever-changing amulets and talismans.

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  163. @Cwhatfuture
    Zuckerberg has a minimum of 40 IQ points on Kamla Harris and he has a vision: a shiny America where technology solves all problems

    That may be nonsense but what is the vision of the GOP? An increasingly shabby America where lowering the marginal tax rate for the top 1% solves all problems?

    This guy went head to head with Google while in his 20s and he beat them. Kamla Harris or the GOP won't scare him.

    Of course his sister may be trying to sabotage all that by going full SJW but I suspect he will rein her in as he gets closer to announcing

    IQ isn’t everything. This is politics not a quiz show. People don’t like being spoken down to. If he doesn’t know how to communicate with people. If he can’t connect with the white working class or blacks he’s not going anywhere. He won’t even win the Dem primary.

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    Agree.

    That is why I think you will see more attempts at normalizing - like Zuckerberg's recent declaration at his Harvard Commencement speech that he prays at times of great challenge, his claim that he hunts etc., his sister's resentful wackiness notwithstanding.

    I don't use Facebook but what this guy did is impressive. He undoubtedly understands the problem you note and is working on it.
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  164. @Anonymous
    "August" actually does sound more feminine in standard American English than "Augusta" does, despite "Augusta" being a feminine form. Plus the association of "Augusta" with the golf course, which is a masculine association.

    I’m with syonredux here. Can you say why you think “August” is more feminine than “Augusta?”

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  165. @Anonymous
    Zuck took Latin and Greek in high school.

    A classical education isn’t taking Latin and Greek in high school.

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  166. I think August could be quite a pretty name, especially if she grows up to be hot. Like April, May, June, Julia, but a bit later in the year.

    Augustina might have been an even more feminine alternate choice, then at least you have Tina for a short form. Gussie as a diminutive is a bit reminiscent of ‘gusset’, which you might not want.

    If I had another daughter, I would give her the classical Roman name Tipitina.

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  167. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe she's named after the sedan?

    I don’t know why y’all are so certain the girls were named by Daddy. Aren’t any of you married? Don’t you have children? Didn’t your lovely wife look at you that way until you agreed her choice of name was perfect? Am I the only guy here who did that , four times?

    He may be nuts, but for certain the wife is more crazy. And ambitious.

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  168. @Chrisnonymous
    He was trying to avoid naming her after a golf course.

    It’s just a cheap trans-aware gesture. The girl will call herself Augusta and everybody knows it. Unisex baby names are probably the fashion now. Giving girls ‘girly’ names will soon be cause for social disapproval in politically correct circles.

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    Names going from boy names to girl names is a thing in English (and other languages for all I know). Baby name books sometimes discuss this phenomenon. For example, Archie Bunker's first name is about the most masculine name that could be imagined. It means manly. It comes from Charlemagne. Etc.
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  169. @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

    Like Gussie Finknottle? I think that was her name. Wodehouse rules.

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    Except that was a he (Augustus): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gussie_Fink-Nottle
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  170. @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

    I guess she wasn’t much of a favorite if you’re saying “last I heard she was…”

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  171. @Lot
    The reason Mark would make a good candidate is similar to Trump:

    (1) Outsider, not a professional politician

    (2) Billionaire who can self fund (but MZ is much richer, and also more liquid, than DJT)

    (3) Can tailor his positions and issues to whatever opening the year provides, unlike most politicians who have to adopt positions based on fundraising, winning lower level elections, keeping in the good graces of top lobbyists and party leaders, etc.

    Trump's 2016 positions on immigration were not at all radical, but right in the middle of the actual GOP electorate, and closer to the political center than Hillary's. But EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 17 other GOP candidates were to the left on immigration of the median GOP voter and median GOP congressman. The opening Trump saw was huge, but taking it required someone who did not need to stay in the good graces of Paul Ryan, the WSJ, and the Koch Bros.

    Same thing for Zuck in 2020. He can take the popular parts of the Dem platform, while jettisoning the unpopular parts like late term abortion, open borders extremism, and all the BLM stuff.

    Nope, I’ve already had 8 years of a political cipher whose paradigm is to surround himself with harpies.

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  172. @DFH
    Why did Zuck marry a Chinese?

    smart Chinese girls keep their virginity until marriage (or at least betrothal). Other races of women could learn a lesson.

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  173. @guest
    In the Social Network they show either a Jewish frat party, or just a generic Jewish mixer. Asian ladies show up, and the characters talk about Jewish men's attraction to Asian girls, which is apparently a Thing.

    Later, the co-founder dates a Crazy Asian Girlfriend.

    In real life, Zuck marries an Asian.

    I guess it's just a Thing.

    In my experience, it’s a Thing with Jewish guys with sisters.

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  174. @Ed
    IQ isn't everything. This is politics not a quiz show. People don't like being spoken down to. If he doesn't know how to communicate with people. If he can't connect with the white working class or blacks he's not going anywhere. He won't even win the Dem primary.

    Agree.

    That is why I think you will see more attempts at normalizing – like Zuckerberg’s recent declaration at his Harvard Commencement speech that he prays at times of great challenge, his claim that he hunts etc., his sister’s resentful wackiness notwithstanding.

    I don’t use Facebook but what this guy did is impressive. He undoubtedly understands the problem you note and is working on it.

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  175. @mobi

    Vox Day has an interesting post which says that you can only communicate with people who are within 30 IQ points. I assume Zuck has a high IQ so he will never be able to establish any rapport with the general population:
     
    And here:

    when IQ differences are greater than 30 points, leader/follower relationships will break down or will not form. It establishes an absolute limit to the intellectual gulf between leader and followers.
     

    ...D.K. Simonton found that persuasiveness is at its maximum when the IQ differential between speaker and audience is about 20 points.

    ...This has been corroborated with empirical studies of manager and leader success, which peaks between a 1.0 and 1.2 standard deviation differential.
     


    ...We already know that elites have an average IQ of about 125 (R16 128) which implies that the audience that is to be convinced by the elites has a mean R16IQ of 108... People with R16IQs below 98...are not effective followers and in a modern meritocracy are essentially disenfranchised and in the public discourse, essentially 'The Clueless'. It means that the 'The Followers' in the public discourse have a R16IQ mode of 108 R16IQ and 'The Leaders' have a R16IQ mode of 128 (125 D15IQ). These calculations provide us with a theoretical understanding of why the intellectually elite professions so consistently have mean D15IQs of 125.
     

    ...In free markets people choose to whom they listen. In other words, in audiences dominated by high school graduates, who average around 105 IQ, the successful leaders will have an average IQ of 105+20=125. Speakers with R16IQs over 105+30=135 (D15IQ130) will be cancelled from radio, fired from TV and print or not elected because they confuse rather than enlighten their audience. A college educated audience (115 IQ) will be most convinced by a R16IQ of 115+20=135 and confused by a 115+30=145 R16IQ (140 D15IQ).
     

    ...So we see that these parameters of maximum persuasiveness of 20 R16 points and maximum leader/follower differential of 30 R16 points, create a natural trifurcation of enfranchised people into 'The Advisors' (128-168 R16IQ; 125-155 D15IQ), Leaders (115-141 R16IQ; 112-138 D15IQ) and Followers (98-128 R16IQ; 98-125 D15IQ) 'The Clueless' with D15 IQs below 98 are effectively lost to the process. They cannot really understand the public discourse and will often not follow discussions in productive environments.

    People with D15IQs over 150 are effectively 'The Excluded', routinely finding their thoughts to be unconvincing in the public discourse and in productive environments. If placed in a leadership position, they will not succeed.
     

    [and much more]

    http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html


    Zuckerberg obviously succeeds, but with a highly pre-selected group of already-high IQ followers.

    With the masses, he does, and will, struggle to connect, and seem 'real'.

    Pretty much the effect we can already sense.

    Zuckerberg suffers from a fatal arrogance … probably due to his reflexive assessment of his high IQ as well as what happened to him that magic summer when angel investors launched him into the stratosphere. Zuck once made the comment that he could afford to drop out of Harvard at the end of his sophomore year because he knew he had the resources (and, one assumes, the intelligence) to land on his feet regardless of what he did in life. In a self-assessment, he proved it.

    Arrogance also explains Zuck’s plan, as President, to pass out “free” money to the proles so that they have the free time and free money to do what he did … learn to code, design an app to pick up girls, and make billions in Silicon Valley. (We know in our hearts that is not what the proles would do with “free” money.)

    Zuck’s message: “I want everyone to have the opportunity to be like me, as I model myself after Augustus, the first Emperor of Rome … Princeps and Pontifex Maximus and lots of other things.” He wants the universe modeled on his eminence.

    “No thanks, Zuck, I’ll pass.”

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  176. @Anonymous
    It's just a cheap trans-aware gesture. The girl will call herself Augusta and everybody knows it. Unisex baby names are probably the fashion now. Giving girls 'girly' names will soon be cause for social disapproval in politically correct circles.

    Names going from boy names to girl names is a thing in English (and other languages for all I know). Baby name books sometimes discuss this phenomenon. For example, Archie Bunker’s first name is about the most masculine name that could be imagined. It means manly. It comes from Charlemagne. Etc.

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  177. @Desiderius
    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).

    I think Zuck runs as an R.

    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).

    You do know that Arnold was re-elected in his own right, correct?

    But perhaps you mean that Trump will mirror him in another respect: Arnie tried to govern as a right-populist for a few months after his election in the 2003 recall, but after being stymied by the legislature and in referenda, he decided eff this for a game of soldiers, fired Pete Wilson and all the others who were coaching him in his start, and governed as a bog-standard liberal for the remainder of his six years in office in a ploy for high approval ratings.

    Trump doesn’t have that option. The MSM will not allow him to “mellow” into another RINO.

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    Right-populism was never going to work in California due to the demographics. Latin American populism is always left wing.
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  178. @Vermont Apple
    They should've called their second daughter Minima.

    Ha!
    You know, this would actually be quite Roman. One of the most common ways to differentiate between women in the same family with the same name was to use the comparative adjectives Maior (bigger, elder) and Minor (lesser, younger), as we see with the two famous Agrippinas. Maxima and minima are the superlative forms of those adjectives — though I think this would work better with three children. And then, what could the one in the middle be called, the Latin for “most middling”?

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    The middle one (feminine) would be Media.

    But of course no baby is a middle child at name-giving time.

    The Romans sometimes gave ordinal names to boys: Tertius, Quintus, Sextus, Septimus, and Octavus from which is derived Octavianus, the name of the man who became Augustus.
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  179. @kaganovitch
    No pokemon points for Pinochet! He usurped the Great White Hope, the beloved Allende.

    Does that make Pinochet a White Hispanic, like Zimmerman?

    I’m starting to think that Cuckersperg really screwed up.

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  180. Aurelia (Caesar’s mother) is my favorite Roman female name and will be the name of my daughter if I have one.

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  181. @anonguy
    And the hyperventilating in the alt-right-o-sphere was just as absurd and hysterical as it was at Oberlin or wherever other hate hoaxes happen.

    Not sure about that. It was absurd and hysterical, but compare the response to graffiti on LeBron’s house and then think about the severity of what happened. You do you remember all those widely disseminated news stories about that graffiti, right?

    The differences I see:
    - It looks like the hoaxer is actually going to be punished for the hoax.
    - The right seems to be OK with that punishment. (though I for one complain about the differing responses to left/right hoaxes, I think the punishment is proper).
    - The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.

    P.S. A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.

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    A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.
     
    Agreed; in the future I'm not going to be so credulous (as I foolishly was with this guy) about cases where rightists claim to have been violently attacked by unknown assailants, but anatomy and common sense indicate their wounds were self-inflicted. (In my partial defense I think it was more his status as active-duty military than the political angle that caused me to abandon Occam's Razor).

    The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.
     
    Is it? Steve hasn't posted about the hoax revelation and we're the only ones I've seen talking about it in the comments (that I've read).

    Come to think of it, I can think of more than two right-wing hate hoaxes. Leftists would say (correctly, IMO, given what we consider to be left-wing hate hoaxes) that we ought to count that fairly common type of case where a white woman either blames a crime she committed and/or (like "B" woman) falsely claims to have been attacked by "a black man."

    That variety of hate hoax makes the national news at least a few times a year, which isn't nothing, even accounting for the obvious observation that such stories are promoted as loudly as possible, while stories about the more-common reverse variety where a member of the Coalition of the Ascendant falsely accuses "a white man" are quashed ASAP after the hoax is revealed.
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  182. @Lot
    Yet I made like $1400 betting on the 2016 primary and general election. Check my comment history, I said everyone should buy Trump wins NC when it was even money and buy Trump Utah at the peak of the McMuffin bubble when it was about 3:2.

    I am betting on Zuck Runs right now. Got in at 22, now at 32. I will sell at 60.

    https://www.predictit.org/Contract/5534/Will-Facebook's-Mark-Zuckerberg-run-for-president-in-2020

    What was up with the high spiking to 65 on August 2nd? Can you get data/charts farther back than 90 days?

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    I don't follow it closely. You can get full history on the site.
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  183. @Marat Said
    Ha!
    You know, this would actually be quite Roman. One of the most common ways to differentiate between women in the same family with the same name was to use the comparative adjectives Maior (bigger, elder) and Minor (lesser, younger), as we see with the two famous Agrippinas. Maxima and minima are the superlative forms of those adjectives --- though I think this would work better with three children. And then, what could the one in the middle be called, the Latin for "most middling"?

    The middle one (feminine) would be Media.

    But of course no baby is a middle child at name-giving time.

    The Romans sometimes gave ordinal names to boys: Tertius, Quintus, Sextus, Septimus, and Octavus from which is derived Octavianus, the name of the man who became Augustus.

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  184. @syonredux

    Remember the Campbell, Mackinzie, etc fad for girls? More and more I like the traditional names, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth, Barbara, Marilyn, Ellen, Eleanor and the endless El*** variations Richard, Robert, Thomas, Jeffrey. James, John,
     
    Traditional names (the older the better) are always a solid choice. A friend of mine recently gave birth to a baby girl, and she was torn between naming her either Madison or Rachel. I convinced her to go with Rachel. It's been around for millennia.

    I did the opposite, trying to dissuade someone from naming their daughter Rachel.

    Me: Do you know Rachel means “ewe”? Are you going to name your daughter “sheep”? “Female sheep”, how can you do that to her?!

    The mother wasn’t fazed by this information. She chose the name for its sound, had no idea that it meant anything, and figured (accurately, it appears) that no one else would either know or care.

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    I did the opposite, trying to dissuade someone from naming their daughter Rachel.

    Me: Do you know Rachel means “ewe”? Are you going to name your daughter “sheep”? “Female sheep”, how can you do that to her?!

    The mother wasn’t fazed by this information. She chose the name for its sound, had no idea that it meant anything, and figured (accurately, it appears) that no one else would either know or care.
     
    Nothing wrong with a woman having sheep-like qualities.....provided, of course, that she has a good shepherd......
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  185. @Lot
    Some other Zuck advantages is that he is youthful and energetic, appears to be devoted to the same woman his entire adult life, and will have an emotional appeal to Jews/NE Asians.

    The closest think we have had to a tech billionaire running for president was Perot, who could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing.

    If he does get in, the Dem primary will be wild. His path to victory could also replicate Trump's: the establishment candidates split the vote 4 or 5 ways while Zuck takes the segments ignored by the establishment: new economy nerds, asians, and middle American white moderates. They are certainly a minority of Dem primary, but Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, and Cuomo will be splitting the black and SJW voters four ways.

    How do you think Zuck would respond to BLM on his podium? One thing I think people here are missing in the Trump/Zuck comparison is Trump’s decades of experience in manufacturing and promoting his public persona. Perhaps Zuck will be able to make it through the campaign and debates with no major missteps, but I don’t see his previous experience really preparing him for that.

    I wonder how the black and SJW voters would react to a candidate who defeats someone they think “deserves” the nomination and is one of them. Their expectations are sky high right now.

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  186. @res
    What was up with the high spiking to 65 on August 2nd? Can you get data/charts farther back than 90 days?

    I don’t follow it closely. You can get full history on the site.

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    Can you please point me to the full history? I see 90 day charts but nothing further back. Perhaps an account is necessary?
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  187. @Flip
    And several August Busches of the beer family.

    He should have gone with Augusta for the daughter.

    Whenever I hear the name “Augusta”, I think of this mother:

    http://real-life-villains.wikia.com/wiki/Augusta_Gein

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  188. @StillCARealist
    Like Gussie Finknottle? I think that was her name. Wodehouse rules.

    Except that was a he (Augustus): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gussie_Fink-Nottle

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  189. @Lot
    I don't follow it closely. You can get full history on the site.

    Can you please point me to the full history? I see 90 day charts but nothing further back. Perhaps an account is necessary?

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    I don't see it either, I thought they used to have it.
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  190. @guest
    In the Social Network they show either a Jewish frat party, or just a generic Jewish mixer. Asian ladies show up, and the characters talk about Jewish men's attraction to Asian girls, which is apparently a Thing.

    Later, the co-founder dates a Crazy Asian Girlfriend.

    In real life, Zuck marries an Asian.

    I guess it's just a Thing.

    <blockquote>In one of the film’s early scenes, Zuckerberg and friends are partying at the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi, on “Caribbean Night,” when they observe a group of Asian-American young women dancing in a cluster.

    “There’s an algorithm for the connection between Jewish guys and Asian girls,” one of Zuckerberg’s friends says wryly. “They’re hot, smart, not Jewish and can dance.”

    Sorkin would have us believe that in the eyes of some Jewish men — or at least, you know, those run-of-the-mill Harvard scholars — one of the best things about being an Asian woman is that she isn’t a Jewish woman. If this were pure fiction, it might sting a little less, but unfortunately it isn’t: Zuckerberg, who might be the most eligible Jewish bachelor in the world met his current girlfriend, Chinese-American medical student Priscilla Chan on erev Shabbat at an AEPi party during his sophomore year.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-berrin/the-social-network-mark-z_b_741914.html

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    Asian women are being practical when they chase after nerds who turn off Anglo women. The Asians are looking at long-term earnings potential.
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  191. Remember, Augustus also had a daughter named Julia who was a notorious slut and party girl who was exiled by her father along with her pal Ovid (the poet). Being the classicist he is, Markus Zuckus must know this.

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    The Julia who was exiled along with Ovid (though not to the same place) was not Augustus' daughter, but granddaughter. She's called Julia Minor (the Younger) to differentiate her from her mother Julia, i.e. Augustus' daughter.
    Augustus wound up disavowing and exiling both women to small desolate islands, though the daughter was eventually allowed to return. The granddaughter died in exile.
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  192. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Detective Club
    Fuck-You-Berg owns 50 tee-shirts. Does each one have a different name? Inquiring minds want to know! NOT!
    https://youtu.be/IatovFVJrjI

    He’s going to lose the women’s vote. Women take clothes extremely seriously, and they’re freaked out by a man who just wears the same type of grey T-shirt every day. He’s the type that women classify as a brain-damaged freak, and they won’t vote for him. They think that a guy who doesn’t know how to dress for social occasions is someone who doesn’t pick up on or understand social cues at all. Women classify that type of man as a joke. Of course, that’s a perfectly accurate real-life assessment of the Zuck.

    Besides, The Fifty Shades of Grey billionaire is supposed to dress better than that, and be more savvy.

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    Or maybe Zuckerberg could scratch up the money to pay for some tailored suits if his consultants tell him that's what voters want him to wear?
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  193. @mobi

    They should’ve called their second daughter Minima.
     
    And their third, 'Mean'

    And their third, ‘Mean’

    And their fourth, “Median”.

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  194. @carol
    I had a favorite cousin named Augusta. Which sadly became Gussie.

    She was a top student, got an elite education. Last I heard she was teaching esl classes.

    Gussie’s a little better than Augie.

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  195. @syonredux
    <blockquote>In one of the film’s early scenes, Zuckerberg and friends are partying at the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi, on “Caribbean Night,” when they observe a group of Asian-American young women dancing in a cluster.

    “There’s an algorithm for the connection between Jewish guys and Asian girls,” one of Zuckerberg’s friends says wryly. “They’re hot, smart, not Jewish and can dance.”


    Sorkin would have us believe that in the eyes of some Jewish men — or at least, you know, those run-of-the-mill Harvard scholars — one of the best things about being an Asian woman is that she isn’t a Jewish woman. If this were pure fiction, it might sting a little less, but unfortunately it isn’t: Zuckerberg, who might be the most eligible Jewish bachelor in the world met his current girlfriend, Chinese-American medical student Priscilla Chan on erev Shabbat at an AEPi party during his sophomore year.
     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-berrin/the-social-network-mark-z_b_741914.html

    Asian women are being practical when they chase after nerds who turn off Anglo women. The Asians are looking at long-term earnings potential.

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  196. @mobi
    He's cornered, too, on the First Amendment:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833109/Zuckerberg-Animals-taste-better-ve-hunted-yourself.html


    ‘Things taste better when you make them yourself,' he said. 'And they taste doubly better when you’ve hunted the animal yourself.’

    Zuckerberg said he has been hunting for around four or five years, saying it's a 'good way to feel connected to nature.'

    ...He added: 'It's pretty fun, that's why so many people enjoy it.'
     

    Unless he hunts with his bare hands.

    Or points to the target, and has his entourage do the dirty work.

    He’s trying to appear less nerdy to the masses, but he’s going to enrage the left with the optics on this and lost the Democratic primary

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  197. @J1234

    Naming his daughter, say, Julia after Julius Caesar’s much-admired daughter would have been a low key way for Zuckerberg to indulge his taste for Roman history, without saddling his daughter with a strange, wrong-sex first name.
     
    This is an intentional signal from the rich, the powerful and the influential to the rest of us: they are above culture. While we all find familiarity in our inter-generational continuity, they find the whole thing annoying and confining. Their elite position and circumstance open up all sorts of new horizons to them, and they want us to know it. They're kind of like the effeminate nobility class of the 18th century.

    I’ve noticed that ghetto blacks have the same thoughts when it comes to naming their own children. Their kids don’t need any conventional names because they aren’t going to need any stinkin’ jobs, or have to please any boss-man, no way, not with whitey paying for everything via welfare.

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  198. Giving a girl a girl’s name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.

    Or, just maybe, it’s idiotic to say a girl’s name isn’t a girl’s name just because it’s not so common (anymore)?
    Wiktionary: “August (plural Augusts)

    The eighth month of the Roman, Julian, and Gregorian calendars, following July and preceding September.
    A female given name derived from the month (rare modern usage).
    [...]
    In some cases a month name from English. In other cases inspired by the common German given name August, from Latin Augustus.
    Proper noun

    August

    A male given name. ”

    August as a male name seems more German than anything else. & since when is Sailer in favour of using German names in the US?

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    The only citation for the rare modern usage of "August" as a female name is from Margaret Atwood's "The Robber Bride", which features as its leads the three traditionally-named female characters Tony, Charis, and Roz.

    In the movie the character is named "Augusta" and the wiki citation may well be a typo for all I know.

    The typical masculine English form would seem to be Augustus (see Augustus Fink-Nottle for a notable example) but August is as far as I know an acceptable variant.

    Edit: In Atwood apparently "August" is used only for the (asexual?) child because "August turned into Augusta" at some point. Perhaps some Atwood fan can help me out here.

    , @Anon
    Why did I waste time answering this seriously?

    To make up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w

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  199. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    OT: A first for the Washington Post.

    Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley.

    Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

    Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

    Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.
     

    I've set my timer to see how long it takes before both headline and story are revised.

    I doubt it has anything to do with give. Likely the Post/Bezos ran a private poll on the popularity of Antifa, and the results told them any more bias and Democratic promotion of Antifa would tank them in the next round of national elections, and it scared the heck out of the Post. If the optics become Antifa=Democrats (which is exactly what is happening), then the Dems will become known as the party of illegal violence, and they’ll be finished as a national party. Mr. and Mrs. Average American are not impressed by adolescent street violence, although aspy and clueless Dems are always overly impressed by it because Democrats suffer from arrested emotional development.

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  200. @Anonymous
    I find this quite insightful.

    A few thoughts:

    1) Very few people took Trump seriously. That much is obvious. But people who are at least somewhat sympathetic to Trump, in some ways, which includes most people here, may be liable to misunderstand this, and think that it is mainly because we get it and they are bunch of... I don't know exactly. The people who failed to predict Trump's rise range from the CIA to Antifa. Did they all fail in exactly the same way? Maybe, but that is a deep question, and it is not obvious how to answer it. What is clear is that there is now even more instability in the political system. This offers opportunities both for creative outsiders in general, and for those who can reliably promise to offer some sort of familiar uniformity that promises to end chaos. Zuckerberg is both an outsider to the political system, in the same way as Trump, but richer, but also someone in many ways extremely familiar, and associated with stability.

    2) Zuckerberg might seem weird, geeky, whatever... but we are in new territory. What are Zuckerberg's eccentricities being compared to? Trump's? Trump is an extreme (in a personal, if not political sense) and polarizing figure who... was elected President! As for the Democratic likely's in 2020 (or 2024), they are mainly political hacks. That Sanders, who was not even a Democrat, was the main opposition to Hillary was largely due to the realization on the part of sincere leftists (too late) that she was a corrupt globalist. But he was a throwback to another era, and served to fill a void. Zuckerberg's strangeness is liable to seem an asset. Many, many people voted for Trump despite finding him odd and not a role model for children. At least he was better than them, the thinking went...

    3) Zuckerberg is, as they say, a "cishet white man". No doubt many people who are being purged from the internet object to his being a Jew married to an Asian... but many "cishet white men" who voted for Trump are less than entirely enthusiastic about Nazis of any sort, real, fake or otherwise. He is, moreover, by at least some metrics, a very successful cishet white man. More successful than Trump, even. He's richer than Trump. He's probably smarter than Trump. He is clearly more intellectually curious than Trump. Both have built businesses that mostly cater to the baser instincts of humanity, mostly. I'll call that a tie, since adjudicating it requires a complex debate. Trump has been with more attractive women. But judging a man's success by the number and sex appeal of the women he's banged is ... while better than many things ... still a sign of a decadent society. I think most men, most "cishet white men" at least and probably many others too, sort of grasp this complex fact.

    4) I suspect most Democratic candidates are liable to fall into the trap that Ted Cruz fell into. (Or maybe some will do much worse. Cruz was clearly the most astute. He strikes me as much more astute than most of the Democratic contenders.) Cruz embraced Trump, thinking he would eventually fall away. But Trump didn't.

    5) Steve has noted that Zuck, in reality, seems to have center-right tendencies. (Ignore his public acts.) Steve also suggested that he might actually have a range of quite masculine interests. This strikes me as about right. Forget what SJW's say: most actual men want to do manly things, and this includes highly intelligent "geeks". But they don't want to sacrifice their intelligence or their intellectual curiosity. I could easily see Zuckerberg genuinely denouncing some elements of the current left. Once he is actually running for President, he could easily come out with an overt denunciation of Antifa, for instance, and promise that they will be treated just like "Nazis". Don't lose track of reality: they hatehim.

    6) Recent political events have revealed the current Democratic party as being an extremely unstable alliance between the top globalists and some of the most extreme anti-globalists. This "alliance" might seem to work so long as the opposition is not organized. But clearly, the opposition to that alliance is getting organized and battle is underway. If it no longer serves the interest of cosmopolitan globalists to ally with dirty antifa types, why not jettison them? Why not promise order and amusement and a feeling of connectedness? Why not embrace a degree of "realism" and jettison the hardcore SJW stuff, while at the same time mocking the "idealism" of some of the current dissident class? (I mean dissident rightists...) Couldn't this win?

    7) Facebook, so far as I can tell, is doomed. It is too dependent on perception, and in an unstable environment, will eventually lose cachet. By contrast, Google/Alphabet and Amazon control infrastructure. Zuck could excusably divest himself of Facebook shares if he is going into politics, so that he does not precipitate a collapse. This could even be the thing that saves Facebook, if it becomes a sort of Trump Tower exponentiated.

    8) If he is really seriously interested in Augustus, then he is interested in the transformation of Rome from a republic, a republic immersed in decades of civil conflict, into an empire. It was a republic that, against the advice of many, had acquired a great deal of power over others, and didn't exactly know how to deal with that. "Rome" seemed on the verge of fragmentation, but survived another five centuries. Augustus Caesar is better than Hitler.

    That strikes me as a pretty good point, so I'll stop there.

    In times of instability, countries typically vote for strongmen, not aspy geeks who come across as overly precious and weak when strength is needed to handle a crisis. Name one genuine aspy geek who’s ever been elected US president.

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    Calvin Coolidge and both John Adamses come to mind, although (IMO) they'd never be elected today, and of course they were all one-termers (voluntarily in Coolidge's case).
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  201. @The Man From K Street

    Trump looks more like Schwarzeneggar in Cali every day (one-termer).
     
    You do know that Arnold was re-elected in his own right, correct?

    But perhaps you mean that Trump will mirror him in another respect: Arnie tried to govern as a right-populist for a few months after his election in the 2003 recall, but after being stymied by the legislature and in referenda, he decided eff this for a game of soldiers, fired Pete Wilson and all the others who were coaching him in his start, and governed as a bog-standard liberal for the remainder of his six years in office in a ploy for high approval ratings.

    Trump doesn't have that option. The MSM will not allow him to "mellow" into another RINO.

    Right-populism was never going to work in California due to the demographics. Latin American populism is always left wing.

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  202. @Cwhatfuture
    Zuckerberg has a minimum of 40 IQ points on Kamla Harris and he has a vision: a shiny America where technology solves all problems

    That may be nonsense but what is the vision of the GOP? An increasingly shabby America where lowering the marginal tax rate for the top 1% solves all problems?

    This guy went head to head with Google while in his 20s and he beat them. Kamla Harris or the GOP won't scare him.

    Of course his sister may be trying to sabotage all that by going full SJW but I suspect he will rein her in as he gets closer to announcing

    Solving all problems with tech won’t appeal to working-class voters. They are the people who end up being replaced by tech, and they know it. They want jobs for themselves, not more technology.

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  203. @DFH
    Why did Zuck marry a Chinese?

    There’s a higher percentage of Asian women than there used to be in the computing and tech industry, so that’s why they’re marrying nerdy guys. The percentage of Asian women in US colleges has also increased dramatically in the last 40 years, so that means more white guys-Asian women hookups.

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  204. @Charles Pewitt
    The Roman Empire was overrun by Germans. I wish the Germans were the ones overrunning the American Empire. Mark Zuckerberg is a Jew billionaire who wants to flood the United States with non-European foreigners in order to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Shelly Adelson is a billionaire Jew who also wants to flood the United States with non-European foreigners.

    This 2014 Tweet is still fresh:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/486924026619502592

    Contemporary Germans are not that inspiring.

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  205. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @bossel

    Giving a girl a girl’s name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.
     
    Or, just maybe, it's idiotic to say a girl's name isn't a girl's name just because it's not so common (anymore)?
    Wiktionary: "August (plural Augusts)

    The eighth month of the Roman, Julian, and Gregorian calendars, following July and preceding September.
    A female given name derived from the month (rare modern usage).
    [...]
    In some cases a month name from English. In other cases inspired by the common German given name August, from Latin Augustus.
    Proper noun

    August

    A male given name. "


    August as a male name seems more German than anything else. & since when is Sailer in favour of using German names in the US?

    The only citation for the rare modern usage of “August” as a female name is from Margaret Atwood’s “The Robber Bride”, which features as its leads the three traditionally-named female characters Tony, Charis, and Roz.

    In the movie the character is named “Augusta” and the wiki citation may well be a typo for all I know.

    The typical masculine English form would seem to be Augustus (see Augustus Fink-Nottle for a notable example) but August is as far as I know an acceptable variant.

    Edit: In Atwood apparently “August” is used only for the (asexual?) child because “August turned into Augusta” at some point. Perhaps some Atwood fan can help me out here.

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  206. @bossel

    Giving a girl a girl’s name is sexist, dontchaknow?

    Naming her after a Chilean dictator, in contrast, is stereotype shattering.
     
    Or, just maybe, it's idiotic to say a girl's name isn't a girl's name just because it's not so common (anymore)?
    Wiktionary: "August (plural Augusts)

    The eighth month of the Roman, Julian, and Gregorian calendars, following July and preceding September.
    A female given name derived from the month (rare modern usage).
    [...]
    In some cases a month name from English. In other cases inspired by the common German given name August, from Latin Augustus.
    Proper noun

    August

    A male given name. "


    August as a male name seems more German than anything else. & since when is Sailer in favour of using German names in the US?

    Why did I waste time answering this seriously?

    To make up:

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  207. I know some older women from Italy named Augusta. I think it’s a beautiful name and a great name for a daughter. I prefer Augusta over August, but I still think August is a beautiful girl’s name. I wouldn’t consider it a wrong-gender or mis-gendered name. And even then, I don’t even dislike misgendered names, like naming a girl Charlie. I wouldn’t choose that name myself, but I don’t dislike it.

    Sailer makes a reference to Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. He was one of the more benevolent, constructive dictators. He was still a dictator backed my military means, but he seemed to have genuinely positive intentions with free market economics.

    I can fault Zuckerberg for other things… Here, I see nothing worthy of criticism.

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  208. @Anon
    He's going to lose the women's vote. Women take clothes extremely seriously, and they're freaked out by a man who just wears the same type of grey T-shirt every day. He's the type that women classify as a brain-damaged freak, and they won't vote for him. They think that a guy who doesn't know how to dress for social occasions is someone who doesn't pick up on or understand social cues at all. Women classify that type of man as a joke. Of course, that's a perfectly accurate real-life assessment of the Zuck.

    Besides, The Fifty Shades of Grey billionaire is supposed to dress better than that, and be more savvy.

    Or maybe Zuckerberg could scratch up the money to pay for some tailored suits if his consultants tell him that’s what voters want him to wear?

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    No different than Romney's '12 campaign. And there are similarities between Zuck and Romney. (e.g. both are globalists, don't come from any one section of the US, both worked in intangible parts of the economy and are easily open to charges of outsourcing, etc).
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  209. @res
    Can you please point me to the full history? I see 90 day charts but nothing further back. Perhaps an account is necessary?

    I don’t see it either, I thought they used to have it.

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  210. Assuming they don’t mind increasing the family’s carbon footprint, it will be interesting to see if they have another child – and if it’s a boy or girl. And if it’s another daughter, will they decide to keep having kids in order to have, you know, a son….

    Does Larry or Sergey have a son available to marry off to one of the Zuckerberg daughters?

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  211. @Lot
    Some other Zuck advantages is that he is youthful and energetic, appears to be devoted to the same woman his entire adult life, and will have an emotional appeal to Jews/NE Asians.

    The closest think we have had to a tech billionaire running for president was Perot, who could have won if he did not have the breakdown, drop out, get back in thing.

    If he does get in, the Dem primary will be wild. His path to victory could also replicate Trump's: the establishment candidates split the vote 4 or 5 ways while Zuck takes the segments ignored by the establishment: new economy nerds, asians, and middle American white moderates. They are certainly a minority of Dem primary, but Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, and Cuomo will be splitting the black and SJW voters four ways.

    Ok, uh, after carefully considering your main points regarding Zuck, I have to honestly say that I cannot continue to smoke this pipe dream any longer.

    For one thing, Zuckerberg’s being Jewish may not go over so well with black voters. Something to consider though it may not be PC to state it. Many blacks harbor anti-semitic views and may not agree to vote for him in the same vein that they did for Obama, and especially if he chooses a white (or a real light skinned black) to run with him. To black voters, he’s just another whitey.

    Another thing to consider, is that Zuckerberg is very much pro-open borders and all of his pubic statements as well as the organizations he’s funded bear this out. Also, I wouldn’t put him in the same category as Trump, who, because of his traditional brick and mortar businesses, can plausibly claim to have directly created hundreds of thousands (if not more) jobs during his forty plus career.

    How many US workers does Facebook employ? 50? 100? Perhaps 1,000 at most. So, over a little more than a decade Zuck could lay claim to create about 1,000 US based jobs (at most) and about 50-100 at worst. Doesn’t sound like a businessman who’s looking out for the little guy. In fact, it sounds like someone along the lines of Mitt Romney.

    Professionally speaking, and allowing for the quirkiness of both candidates, I see little difference between Zuckerberg and Mitt Romney. Both worked in fields that produce intangible things, have engaged in outsourcing, and don’t particularly give a damn about helping the middle classes.

    I fully get WHY the lower middle class white family in OH, MI, WI, PA, IN, IA voted for Trump. I can never imagine them ever getting enthusiastically exited to go and vote for Zuckerberg. Why would they? Cause he likes Augustus Ceasar? I can’t imagine for the second coming before dawn, that Mark Zuckerberg would ever take such a tangible position as “Let’s build a wall on the Southern Border, yeah! Let’s do it!” That’s not in his profile. That might make many of his pals in Silicon Valley upset and they wouldn’t campaign for him. I mean, where is a potential Zuck base for voting for him? Sanders and even Hillary you can see it. Obama’s base was obvious. There’s nothing for Zuck.

    Did millions of desperate and disillusioned, out of work white families desperate to stay afloat put their trust in the likes of outsourcer Mitt Romney? That’s right, they didn’t. Same thing with Zuck. He doesn’t register much less relate to ordinary Americans, especially compared with “The People’s Billionaire”.

    In some ways, publicly identifying with Augustus and not with Joe and Jane Blow in Ash Cosh WI, Bakersfield,CA Zionsville,IN Butler, PA (the Brexit states) only makes Trump’s case even more. “That guy with the weird cockamamie haircut who wouldn’t know a hammer from nail’s gonna build the wall and clamp down on immigration? Nah, that’s so lame!”

    I mean, the top 1% simply doesn’t have that many votes at the actual ballot box. Too much of a pipe dream and I wouldn’t want to wake up from having taken that bad trip.

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    There is no real world evidence blacks don't like Jews when it is voting time. There is a Cohen in a majority black district in TN, he keeps getting primaried by blacks and keeps winning.

    Another point is that black voters tend to be practical and want winners. Zuck is the biggest winner in business history, a self made decabillionaire at age 25.

    In 00, 04, and 16, blacks went with the moderate establishment Dem who seemed likelier to win, not the more liberal one who promised more goodies. Even in 2008, they stuck with Hillary in polls until Obama started winning Iowa.
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  212. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Zuckerberg could scratch up the money to pay for some tailored suits if his consultants tell him that's what voters want him to wear?

    No different than Romney’s ’12 campaign. And there are similarities between Zuck and Romney. (e.g. both are globalists, don’t come from any one section of the US, both worked in intangible parts of the economy and are easily open to charges of outsourcing, etc).

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  213. @DFH
    Why did Zuck marry a Chinese?

    Because no white woman was interested. Perhaps there aren’t as many non-Jewish white women at Harvard the way there used to be.

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  214. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not surprising that Zuckerberg would be inspired by Octavian. I think the reason for this is not only the kind of similar facial features – except for Zuckerberg’s semitic nose, different from Octavian’s straight nose -, but also because they are quite similar in personal style, both being pupeteers working behind the curtains to gain power, not very “showy” in terms of personal style.

    But Zuckerberg’s ambition of being a de facto emperor will never happen. Zuckerberg is an intelligent and capable man, but he is no Octavian. He is not on his level. Very few people in World history are. Octavian was a philosopher as insightful as Plato, a pupeteer of people more skillfull than Machiaveli, a strategist as capable as Charlamagne and Alexander, and an administrator as capable as Charlemagne. In an extremely ruthless selection process for World Kingship, he defeated all rivals and came out on top., becoming the ruler of the then known World. There is a huge difference between being the head of a social network, and being the head of a true World Empire(political, military and cultural)

    The inhuman cleverness and cunning of Octavian: even as a small boy, he made everyone around him feel dim-witted:https://youtu.be/HWdtPy4fQ6U

    “It would look strange if he made no effort to retrieve his stolen eagle. In fact, losing his eagle is useful to Caesar. Pompey is no deep philosopher. He would take the loss for a real weakness. Caesar doesen’t want to strike the first blow against an old friend. So he wants to lure Pompey into attacking him first. Pompey will only do this if he believes that Caesar is weak. When Julia died, the last bond between them was lost. Caesar has taken the love of the people from Pompey, his most prized possesion. The battle between them is inevitable.”

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    Based on their biographies and writing, Julius C was smarter than his grandnephew. Augustus's good luck was to be JC's closest male relative and heir.

    JC repeatedly won battles when outnumbered. Augustus won when it counted, but never so impressively.
    , @guest
    Let's not overlook the fact that Augustus had a HUGE head start by being Caesar's legal heir and inheritor of his name and fortune. If he was just as smart without those things, he probably wouldn't have won.

    Imagine if Zuck was born a Kennedy. Another sort of usually unpresidential ethnicity, but with a giant leg-up in public perception, political capital, and social cachet. Even the duds in that family get fawning media attention.

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  215. @Marat Said
    I did the opposite, trying to dissuade someone from naming their daughter Rachel.

    Me: Do you know Rachel means "ewe"? Are you going to name your daughter "sheep"? "Female sheep", how can you do that to her?!

    The mother wasn't fazed by this information. She chose the name for its sound, had no idea that it meant anything, and figured (accurately, it appears) that no one else would either know or care.

    I did the opposite, trying to dissuade someone from naming their daughter Rachel.

    Me: Do you know Rachel means “ewe”? Are you going to name your daughter “sheep”? “Female sheep”, how can you do that to her?!

    The mother wasn’t fazed by this information. She chose the name for its sound, had no idea that it meant anything, and figured (accurately, it appears) that no one else would either know or care.

    Nothing wrong with a woman having sheep-like qualities…..provided, of course, that she has a good shepherd……

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  216. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, uh, after carefully considering your main points regarding Zuck, I have to honestly say that I cannot continue to smoke this pipe dream any longer.

    For one thing, Zuckerberg's being Jewish may not go over so well with black voters. Something to consider though it may not be PC to state it. Many blacks harbor anti-semitic views and may not agree to vote for him in the same vein that they did for Obama, and especially if he chooses a white (or a real light skinned black) to run with him. To black voters, he's just another whitey.

    Another thing to consider, is that Zuckerberg is very much pro-open borders and all of his pubic statements as well as the organizations he's funded bear this out. Also, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Trump, who, because of his traditional brick and mortar businesses, can plausibly claim to have directly created hundreds of thousands (if not more) jobs during his forty plus career.

    How many US workers does Facebook employ? 50? 100? Perhaps 1,000 at most. So, over a little more than a decade Zuck could lay claim to create about 1,000 US based jobs (at most) and about 50-100 at worst. Doesn't sound like a businessman who's looking out for the little guy. In fact, it sounds like someone along the lines of Mitt Romney.

    Professionally speaking, and allowing for the quirkiness of both candidates, I see little difference between Zuckerberg and Mitt Romney. Both worked in fields that produce intangible things, have engaged in outsourcing, and don't particularly give a damn about helping the middle classes.

    I fully get WHY the lower middle class white family in OH, MI, WI, PA, IN, IA voted for Trump. I can never imagine them ever getting enthusiastically exited to go and vote for Zuckerberg. Why would they? Cause he likes Augustus Ceasar? I can't imagine for the second coming before dawn, that Mark Zuckerberg would ever take such a tangible position as "Let's build a wall on the Southern Border, yeah! Let's do it!" That's not in his profile. That might make many of his pals in Silicon Valley upset and they wouldn't campaign for him. I mean, where is a potential Zuck base for voting for him? Sanders and even Hillary you can see it. Obama's base was obvious. There's nothing for Zuck.


    Did millions of desperate and disillusioned, out of work white families desperate to stay afloat put their trust in the likes of outsourcer Mitt Romney? That's right, they didn't. Same thing with Zuck. He doesn't register much less relate to ordinary Americans, especially compared with "The People's Billionaire".

    In some ways, publicly identifying with Augustus and not with Joe and Jane Blow in Ash Cosh WI, Bakersfield,CA Zionsville,IN Butler, PA (the Brexit states) only makes Trump's case even more. "That guy with the weird cockamamie haircut who wouldn't know a hammer from nail's gonna build the wall and clamp down on immigration? Nah, that's so lame!"

    I mean, the top 1% simply doesn't have that many votes at the actual ballot box. Too much of a pipe dream and I wouldn't want to wake up from having taken that bad trip.

    There is no real world evidence blacks don’t like Jews when it is voting time. There is a Cohen in a majority black district in TN, he keeps getting primaried by blacks and keeps winning.

    Another point is that black voters tend to be practical and want winners. Zuck is the biggest winner in business history, a self made decabillionaire at age 25.

    In 00, 04, and 16, blacks went with the moderate establishment Dem who seemed likelier to win, not the more liberal one who promised more goodies. Even in 2008, they stuck with Hillary in polls until Obama started winning Iowa.

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  217. @Anonymous
    It's not surprising that Zuckerberg would be inspired by Octavian. I think the reason for this is not only the kind of similar facial features - except for Zuckerberg's semitic nose, different from Octavian's straight nose -, but also because they are quite similar in personal style, both being pupeteers working behind the curtains to gain power, not very "showy" in terms of personal style.

    But Zuckerberg's ambition of being a de facto emperor will never happen. Zuckerberg is an intelligent and capable man, but he is no Octavian. He is not on his level. Very few people in World history are. Octavian was a philosopher as insightful as Plato, a pupeteer of people more skillfull than Machiaveli, a strategist as capable as Charlamagne and Alexander, and an administrator as capable as Charlemagne. In an extremely ruthless selection process for World Kingship, he defeated all rivals and came out on top., becoming the ruler of the then known World. There is a huge difference between being the head of a social network, and being the head of a true World Empire(political, military and cultural)

    The inhuman cleverness and cunning of Octavian: even as a small boy, he made everyone around him feel dim-witted:https://youtu.be/HWdtPy4fQ6U

    "It would look strange if he made no effort to retrieve his stolen eagle. In fact, losing his eagle is useful to Caesar. Pompey is no deep philosopher. He would take the loss for a real weakness. Caesar doesen't want to strike the first blow against an old friend. So he wants to lure Pompey into attacking him first. Pompey will only do this if he believes that Caesar is weak. When Julia died, the last bond between them was lost. Caesar has taken the love of the people from Pompey, his most prized possesion. The battle between them is inevitable."

    Based on their biographies and writing, Julius C was smarter than his grandnephew. Augustus’s good luck was to be JC’s closest male relative and heir.

    JC repeatedly won battles when outnumbered. Augustus won when it counted, but never so impressively.

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    Julius Caesar was one of history's great soldiers. That requires intelligence but is not necessarily the test of an intelligent man.
    , @Anonymous
    +Lot

    Very few people in the history of the World were smarter than Julius Caesar in terms of raw intelligence. If we are talking IQ, his IQ was estimated by Anthony Buzan at 178. And that is an adult score, which makes it even freakier. This would put him above the likes of Mozart(IQ 165), Kepler(IQ 170) and Kant(IQ 175), and less than 1SD below the likes of Gallilleo and Newton. According to Plutarch, he was writing poems in both Latin and Greek before turning 5 years old, and by the age of 16 he was considered Rome's greatest juridical scholar. When in Alexandria, he in his spare time created an entire new calendar based on deductions on astronomy that he made himself. All of this besides his genius as a military strategist, prose stylist and his political savy.

    So, yes, in tems of overall intelligence in the way we use the word, he was even smarter than Octavian. But Octavian proved to be an even more shrewed judge of character with even more refined political instincts than his great-uncle. Not that Julius Caesar wasn't great at understanding and manipulating people: Caesar had extraordinary tact and people skills. Many of his victories in Gaul came by due to his skills as a negotiator. But Octavian was even better at this than his great-uncle. Julius Caesar misread his closest friends and allies once, either due to hubris or because he overestimated human gratitude(humans are usually not very grateful), and that cost him his life. Octavian would never make the same mistake, having a cynical attitude of always assuming the worse from people, and as a result he died of old age at age 76 the unquestioned ruler of the World. Sulla was also like that, and died of heavy drinking having sex with transvestites rather than dying from the blades of his enemies.

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  218. @Lot
    Based on their biographies and writing, Julius C was smarter than his grandnephew. Augustus's good luck was to be JC's closest male relative and heir.

    JC repeatedly won battles when outnumbered. Augustus won when it counted, but never so impressively.

    Julius Caesar was one of history’s great soldiers. That requires intelligence but is not necessarily the test of an intelligent man.

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    Julius Caesar was extraordinarily effective at whatever he did, including writing.

    I've read a couple of Robert Harris's historical novels about Cicero. In the first volume, Cicero outsmarts everybody in Rome. In the second one, Julius Caesar comes on the scene and relentlessly outsmarts Cicero.

    , @guest
    As Steve indicated, Caesar wrote books people still read (if he actually wrote them) . Very few people write anything that is still read thousands of years later, let alone two whole books. And we don't still read them merely because he's Caesar.

    He wasn't just a great soldier but a great conqueror. That's uncommon even among great soldiers. He ate up present-day France, Switzerland, Belgium, and Northern Italy. He gave Rome a foothold in Britain and helped consolidate Roman power over Egypt. That all takes a bit of intelligence.

    More than that, he was a brilliant politician, though he got himself killed.
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  219. @Anon
    Julius Caesar was one of history's great soldiers. That requires intelligence but is not necessarily the test of an intelligent man.

    Julius Caesar was extraordinarily effective at whatever he did, including writing.

    I’ve read a couple of Robert Harris’s historical novels about Cicero. In the first volume, Cicero outsmarts everybody in Rome. In the second one, Julius Caesar comes on the scene and relentlessly outsmarts Cicero.

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  220. @guest
    I've never understood that ploy. The mother's name is merely her father's name. Patriarchy still wins!

    Of course, after a few generations that'll get confused. But they won't be able to escape the patriarchal origins. Unless they make up their own names. As people do, for instance with anagrams. It's all very foolish.

    I'd like to see feminists and SJWs generally adopt Puritan-like names. Goody Raceblind and Blankslate Unprivileged, for instance. Or like blacks abandoning their slave names. "I'm Trigglypuff X, y'all!"

    I wish I hadn’t already used up my lol. So lol.

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  221. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Based on their biographies and writing, Julius C was smarter than his grandnephew. Augustus's good luck was to be JC's closest male relative and heir.

    JC repeatedly won battles when outnumbered. Augustus won when it counted, but never so impressively.

    +Lot

    Very few people in the history of the World were smarter than Julius Caesar in terms of raw intelligence. If we are talking IQ, his IQ was estimated by Anthony Buzan at 178. And that is an adult score, which makes it even freakier. This would put him above the likes of Mozart(IQ 165), Kepler(IQ 170) and Kant(IQ 175), and less than 1SD below the likes of Gallilleo and Newton. According to Plutarch, he was writing poems in both Latin and Greek before turning 5 years old, and by the age of 16 he was considered Rome’s greatest juridical scholar. When in Alexandria, he in his spare time created an entire new calendar based on deductions on astronomy that he made himself. All of this besides his genius as a military strategist, prose stylist and his political savy.

    So, yes, in tems of overall intelligence in the way we use the word, he was even smarter than Octavian. But Octavian proved to be an even more shrewed judge of character with even more refined political instincts than his great-uncle. Not that Julius Caesar wasn’t great at understanding and manipulating people: Caesar had extraordinary tact and people skills. Many of his victories in Gaul came by due to his skills as a negotiator. But Octavian was even better at this than his great-uncle. Julius Caesar misread his closest friends and allies once, either due to hubris or because he overestimated human gratitude(humans are usually not very grateful), and that cost him his life. Octavian would never make the same mistake, having a cynical attitude of always assuming the worse from people, and as a result he died of old age at age 76 the unquestioned ruler of the World. Sulla was also like that, and died of heavy drinking having sex with transvestites rather than dying from the blades of his enemies.

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  222. @Anonymous
    It's not surprising that Zuckerberg would be inspired by Octavian. I think the reason for this is not only the kind of similar facial features - except for Zuckerberg's semitic nose, different from Octavian's straight nose -, but also because they are quite similar in personal style, both being pupeteers working behind the curtains to gain power, not very "showy" in terms of personal style.

    But Zuckerberg's ambition of being a de facto emperor will never happen. Zuckerberg is an intelligent and capable man, but he is no Octavian. He is not on his level. Very few people in World history are. Octavian was a philosopher as insightful as Plato, a pupeteer of people more skillfull than Machiaveli, a strategist as capable as Charlamagne and Alexander, and an administrator as capable as Charlemagne. In an extremely ruthless selection process for World Kingship, he defeated all rivals and came out on top., becoming the ruler of the then known World. There is a huge difference between being the head of a social network, and being the head of a true World Empire(political, military and cultural)

    The inhuman cleverness and cunning of Octavian: even as a small boy, he made everyone around him feel dim-witted:https://youtu.be/HWdtPy4fQ6U

    "It would look strange if he made no effort to retrieve his stolen eagle. In fact, losing his eagle is useful to Caesar. Pompey is no deep philosopher. He would take the loss for a real weakness. Caesar doesen't want to strike the first blow against an old friend. So he wants to lure Pompey into attacking him first. Pompey will only do this if he believes that Caesar is weak. When Julia died, the last bond between them was lost. Caesar has taken the love of the people from Pompey, his most prized possesion. The battle between them is inevitable."

    Let’s not overlook the fact that Augustus had a HUGE head start by being Caesar’s legal heir and inheritor of his name and fortune. If he was just as smart without those things, he probably wouldn’t have won.

    Imagine if Zuck was born a Kennedy. Another sort of usually unpresidential ethnicity, but with a giant leg-up in public perception, political capital, and social cachet. Even the duds in that family get fawning media attention.

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  223. @Anon
    Julius Caesar was one of history's great soldiers. That requires intelligence but is not necessarily the test of an intelligent man.

    As Steve indicated, Caesar wrote books people still read (if he actually wrote them) . Very few people write anything that is still read thousands of years later, let alone two whole books. And we don’t still read them merely because he’s Caesar.

    He wasn’t just a great soldier but a great conqueror. That’s uncommon even among great soldiers. He ate up present-day France, Switzerland, Belgium, and Northern Italy. He gave Rome a foothold in Britain and helped consolidate Roman power over Egypt. That all takes a bit of intelligence.

    More than that, he was a brilliant politician, though he got himself killed.

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  224. @Anon
    In times of instability, countries typically vote for strongmen, not aspy geeks who come across as overly precious and weak when strength is needed to handle a crisis. Name one genuine aspy geek who's ever been elected US president.

    Calvin Coolidge and both John Adamses come to mind, although (IMO) they’d never be elected today, and of course they were all one-termers (voluntarily in Coolidge’s case).

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  225. @res
    Not sure about that. It was absurd and hysterical, but compare the response to graffiti on LeBron's house and then think about the severity of what happened. You do you remember all those widely disseminated news stories about that graffiti, right?

    The differences I see:
    - It looks like the hoaxer is actually going to be punished for the hoax.
    - The right seems to be OK with that punishment. (though I for one complain about the differing responses to left/right hoaxes, I think the punishment is proper).
    - The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.

    P.S. A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.

    A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.

    Agreed; in the future I’m not going to be so credulous (as I foolishly was with this guy) about cases where rightists claim to have been violently attacked by unknown assailants, but anatomy and common sense indicate their wounds were self-inflicted. (In my partial defense I think it was more his status as active-duty military than the political angle that caused me to abandon Occam’s Razor).

    The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.

    Is it? Steve hasn’t posted about the hoax revelation and we’re the only ones I’ve seen talking about it in the comments (that I’ve read).

    Come to think of it, I can think of more than two right-wing hate hoaxes. Leftists would say (correctly, IMO, given what we consider to be left-wing hate hoaxes) that we ought to count that fairly common type of case where a white woman either blames a crime she committed and/or (like “B” woman) falsely claims to have been attacked by “a black man.”

    That variety of hate hoax makes the national news at least a few times a year, which isn’t nothing, even accounting for the obvious observation that such stories are promoted as loudly as possible, while stories about the more-common reverse variety where a member of the Coalition of the Ascendant falsely accuses “a white man” are quashed ASAP after the hoax is revealed.

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    Thanks for the thoughtful response. I thought I had heard about this case as a hate hoax in multiple places, but it is not exactly being shouted from the rooftops. What I don't hear is it being defended (unlike the leftist examples).

    Regarding

    we ought to count that fairly common type of case where a white woman either blames a crime she committed and/or (like “B” woman) falsely claims to have been attacked by “a black man.”
     
    That's a good point. It's worth noting that part of the Bayesian assessment is how often the "true positive" occurs compared to the "false positive" though--and it would take a large number of hoaxes to offset the reality.
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  226. @jsr
    Remember, Augustus also had a daughter named Julia who was a notorious slut and party girl who was exiled by her father along with her pal Ovid (the poet). Being the classicist he is, Markus Zuckus must know this.

    The Julia who was exiled along with Ovid (though not to the same place) was not Augustus’ daughter, but granddaughter. She’s called Julia Minor (the Younger) to differentiate her from her mother Julia, i.e. Augustus’ daughter.
    Augustus wound up disavowing and exiling both women to small desolate islands, though the daughter was eventually allowed to return. The granddaughter died in exile.

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  227. @Mr. Anon
    I remember thinking Mel Brooks was funny. When I was about ten years old. Then I grew up. With the possible exception of The Producers and The Twelve Chairs (his first two), his movies are excruciatingly unfunny and bad.

    Makes me laugh every time.

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  228. @snorlax

    A good Bayesian uses priors but updates them when counter evidence is found. I think the prior on right hate hoaxes just increased, but is still far lower than for a leftist hate hoax.
     
    Agreed; in the future I'm not going to be so credulous (as I foolishly was with this guy) about cases where rightists claim to have been violently attacked by unknown assailants, but anatomy and common sense indicate their wounds were self-inflicted. (In my partial defense I think it was more his status as active-duty military than the political angle that caused me to abandon Occam's Razor).

    The right is actually talking about the hoax rather than simply memory holing it.
     
    Is it? Steve hasn't posted about the hoax revelation and we're the only ones I've seen talking about it in the comments (that I've read).

    Come to think of it, I can think of more than two right-wing hate hoaxes. Leftists would say (correctly, IMO, given what we consider to be left-wing hate hoaxes) that we ought to count that fairly common type of case where a white woman either blames a crime she committed and/or (like "B" woman) falsely claims to have been attacked by "a black man."

    That variety of hate hoax makes the national news at least a few times a year, which isn't nothing, even accounting for the obvious observation that such stories are promoted as loudly as possible, while stories about the more-common reverse variety where a member of the Coalition of the Ascendant falsely accuses "a white man" are quashed ASAP after the hoax is revealed.

    Thanks for the thoughtful response. I thought I had heard about this case as a hate hoax in multiple places, but it is not exactly being shouted from the rooftops. What I don’t hear is it being defended (unlike the leftist examples).

    Regarding

    we ought to count that fairly common type of case where a white woman either blames a crime she committed and/or (like “B” woman) falsely claims to have been attacked by “a black man.”

    That’s a good point. It’s worth noting that part of the Bayesian assessment is how often the “true positive” occurs compared to the “false positive” though–and it would take a large number of hoaxes to offset the reality.

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  229. I guess it’s better than naming them Nero and Caligula, respectively.

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