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From the Seattle Times:

Racial equity in Seattle schools has a long, frustrating history — and it’s getting worse

Updated January 12, 2018 at 5:19 pm

For at least seven decades, Seattle Public Schools has pledged to eliminate the gaps in achievement between students of color and their white peers. But even as district leaders swear their latest efforts are more than just another round of rhetoric, the gaps continue to grow.

By Neal Morton
Seattle Times staff reporter

This past spring, the archivist for Seattle Public Schools unearthed a yellowed slip of paper that C.S. Barbo, former principal of Meany Junior High, had tucked into a time capsule in 1963 alongside a plastic toy gun and book of student poems.

In three brief paragraphs, Barbo lamented what he called the “cultural, racial and economic disadvantages” that he believed slowed the learning of some of his students.

“If this box is ever opened,” his letter reads, “I would assume the problems we face today in understanding the racial differences will have been resolved. Personally, I trust this will happen.”

More than half a century has passed since Barbo wrote that letter, and since then, the district has repeatedly pledged to raise the performance of students of color.

Asians, who are as numerous as blacks in Seattle public schools, have no color, apparently. They’re invisible-colored.

Each time, its efforts have fallen flat or fizzled — often for lack of funding or political will.

It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

The latest initiative started five years ago, when the School Board set 2018 as the deadline for significantly reducing the gaps in achievement among ethnic groups, which a Stanford researcher recently pegged as some of the largest in the nation. …

In many public appearances, Superintendent Larry Nyland, who is white, has echoed Barbo’s lament, and has called eliminating the gaps “a moral imperative” that affects everyone who wants “a vibrant Seattle in the future.”

Even the city has chimed in, spending roughly $40 million last year to help in the effort.

But while Nyland has raised hopes, at least in the district’s central office, critics say they’re seeing the same old routine they’ve witnessed for decades: New committees recycling old recommendations, teachers sitting through yet another round of training, and a revolving door of administrators engaged in one more cycle of planning.

In the meantime, the inequity appears to have gotten worse: In their 2016 report, Stanford researchers found black students in Seattle tested three and a half grade levels behind their white peers. In an update in 2017, they found that gap had widened to 3.7 grade levels.

… Over the past year, Purcell and her staff scoured the archives as part of an initiative to chronicle the history of equity and race relations in Seattle’s public schools. Her search yielded dozens of long-forgotten training manuals, thick binders of task-force reports and other dusty administrative files that show Barbo wasn’t the first — and hardly the last — to wonder when the district would fix its racial gaps.

In her search, Purcell found documents dating back to 1947, when the School Board voted to hire more diverse teachers. That same year, the district hired its first black educator.

Other records highlight the board’s pledge in 1966 to provide educational opportunities to all students and its plans, in 1989 and then again in 2013, to ensure educational excellence and equity for every student. …

I’ve read hundreds, probably thousands of this kind of article since I became interested in the subject in 1972. Here’s a rare statement:

Indeed, education experts and researchers from across the nation couldn’t name a school district where racial gaps in achievement don’t exist.

I found a few in 2015:

In contrast, the smallest white-black gap (only 0.04 standard deviations) is found in McDowell County, West Virginia.

… the Stanford researchers’ most equal district, McDowell County, which JFK made into a symbol of Appalachian poverty, is notorious for having just about the worst whites in America. Male life expectancy in this coal county is only 63.3 years.

So one solution to racial inequality, evidently, is to have most of the whites with something on the ball, such as rocket scientist Homer Hickam, the McDowell County hero of the movie October Sky, move away. (The population of this coal-mining county has fallen by 80 percent since 1950.)

Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty.

Other districts with small white-black gaps include similar Rust Belt blue-collar towns such as Hamtramck, a Detroit suburb recently in the news for having a majority Muslim city council.

Back to the Seattle Times:

Nyland, however, says commitment is more important than money.

“If you don’t believe that you can move the needle,” he said, “no amount of money is going to help.”

You can’t faith-heal The Gap without faith.

… Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It is produced in partnership with the Solutions Journalism Network and is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

 
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  1. songbird says:

    I have said it for years: if only Bill Gates cared enough to hire someone to track down the exact combination of textbooks he had in school.

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  2. tsotha says:

    “Equity” is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.

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    • Replies: @Nico
    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here. A place like Detroit or McDowell Co., for example, technically has lots of racial equality in its schools but absolutely no equity (because of the low quality of the human capital from which its student body is extracted).
    , @Desiderius
    There's nothing slippery about it at all.

    It means "get whiteys other than the speaker".
    , @Eagle Eye

    “Equity” is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.
     
    Precisely. To the hasty and the uneducated (95% of Americans), it seems like a variant of "equality." And who would be opposed to equality?

    Once the camel's nose is in the tent, there is no end to the claims made in the name of "equity."

    Not coincidentally, this slippery term was also appropriated by the communists and fellow travelers who set up the "Actors Equity Association," i.e. the actors' union.
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  3. ic1000 says:

    > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    New readers may not be aware of Steve’s penchant foe irony.

    “Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It… is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.”

    The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    "The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites, soon to be overrun and looted by third-world commoners."
    , @pyrrhus
    Wouldn't it be interesting to find out what some of those "promising approaches" are thought to be?
    Brown vs. Board of Education has proved to be a complete disaster....
    The USA, a formerly First World country with a tenth-rate, but politically correct, system of public education...
    , @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    ref: > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    Strictly speaking, that's not irony (and it's certainly not sarcasm). It's hyperbole!
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  4. Nico says:
    @tsotha
    "Equity" is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.

    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here. A place like Detroit or McDowell Co., for example, technically has lots of racial equality in its schools but absolutely no equity (because of the low quality of the human capital from which its student body is extracted).

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    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here.
     
    No, they mean "equity" and the School Board is using it correctly, whereas Neal Morton is not. Equity means a proportionate amount, a just settlement, a fair distribution. It does not mean absolute equality nor is it a synonym for "value," which is how you are using it. The use of the term equity in financial circles derives from its literal meaning, i.e. a 10% stakeholder in a corporation gets ten percent of the voting rights and ten percent of the dividends, which is his "equitable" due in proportion to the amount of capital he has contributed to the enterprise.

    The School Board very carefully selected its language about equity because it knows that ensuring the equality of students is impossible. The best that any school can do is to ensure that each student will receive all that his talents and efforts deserve to receive from the educational experience. Equity in real life situations is actually inequality, and the board was wise enough to build recognition of this fact directly into its official statements.

    The fact that Neal Morton misunderstands what the Board meant is due to several causes: 1) Like most journalists today, he's a moron who doesn't know the real meaning of the word; 2) He has an unacknowledged and perhaps unconscious presupposition that Black students are no different from their White peers, and hence any difference in educational outcomes between the two groups must be the school's fault; and 3) His job depends on him writing garbage that conforms to the prevailing narrative.

    But in reality the school has completely fulfilled its mandate. It has maintained the equity of educational outcomes by not obscuring their intrinsic inequality. To artificially level the outcomes would be to promote inequity. If equity reveals uncomfortable racial divisions, so much the worse for the equalizers.

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  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What we’ve been doing for the past several decades hasn’t worked very well. Therefore, we must do much more of it, with much greater passion and expenditure, and we must lay the blame ever more vindictively upon those who dare to propose alternatives.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    What we're witnessing is nothing less than a religious phenomenon. Leftists tend to think of themselves as post-religion or anti-religion, but in reality their beliefs are no more rational or falsifiable than the most backwoods bible-beater in Mississippi.
    , @El Dato

    “There’s been a lot of starts and stops,” said Gerald Donaldson, a family-support worker at Leschi Elementary. “Every 10 years we get a new program, but this actually may work.”

    [...]

    He’s also buoyed by new support from the city, churches and community groups, saying he hasn’t seen this kind of community buy-in for 30 years.

    When asked what they’ve done in addition to the school equity teams, senior leaders point to:

    • A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.
    • A focus on equity in training for new principals.
    • A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.
    • New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.
    • Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.
     
    I admire the persistence at rearranging chairs on decks. Apparently the time that can be diverted from actual teaching activities is infinite. It's like Equity Quantitative Easing.
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  6. “Asians…have no color…”

    Asians pass with flying colors
    While the colored students fail,
    So the chinks, at first just yellow,
    Turned a vibrant shade of pale.

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    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    I see what you did there.
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  7. El Dato says:

    It’s getting worse

    Could it be this persistent problem has to do with the accelerating expansion of the universe and dark energy?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Could it be this persistent problem has to do with the accelerating expansion of the universe and dark energy?
     
    My guess would be climate disruption.
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  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The principal subtext of this series of examples, made somewhat plain in the final reference to West Virginia, is that if we can’t raise the hordes of negroes and third-world migrants and their descendants to the levels of white achievement, we will either wreck the whites or eliminate them.

    Any way you look at it, it’s good for the Tribal Elite, which should find their reign unchallenged in perpetuity. The rapid increase of Asian population does raise the possibility of a quandary, should they one day tire of invisibility.

    Meanwhile, though, all Good People can remain in complete solidarity against the White Man. This is one more reason why the elites are getting nervous at the possibility of not having enough whites to go around. There is a contradiction here.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Actually, it's Steve who interjects West Virginia as an example where "the numbers are correct but the situation is dire"

    From the Seattke Times:


    On a sunny Friday in October, students across Seattle had the day off, but in the cafeteria at Chief Sealth High, about 250 teachers spent the morning clustered around small tables littered with empty coffee cups, poster boards and markers.

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.

    “This is something that I have wanted to do for some time,” Nyland told teachers at the end of the day, adding that the district had few examples to follow. “We are learning from each other. No one knows how to do this.”
     

    "No-one knows how to do this" might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But ... it's fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?
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  9. AndrewR says:

    Hamtramck isn’t a “suburb.” It is completely surrounded by Detroit except for a small border with the city of Highland Park, which also is completely surrounded by Detroit.

    The small white/black gap there is likely due to Yemenis, who make up a large portion of the population, being counted as white even though they’re not only Arabs but the least-white Arabs.

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    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    Yes, Polish-Catholic Hamtramck has been completely destroyed by the good-whites who have greatly improved the rustbelt by making it into a little Yemem and Bangladish. Hamtramck is microcosm of what is to come.
    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html
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  10. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    What we've been doing for the past several decades hasn't worked very well. Therefore, we must do much more of it, with much greater passion and expenditure, and we must lay the blame ever more vindictively upon those who dare to propose alternatives.

    What we’re witnessing is nothing less than a religious phenomenon. Leftists tend to think of themselves as post-religion or anti-religion, but in reality their beliefs are no more rational or falsifiable than the most backwoods bible-beater in Mississippi.

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    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Jake
    Yours is an understatement. Leftist articles of faith are less likely to occur than is the faith of many 'bible-beaters' that God is about to release utter destruction upon the perversion that is PC America.
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  11. In Toronto, the school board has been kicking around the idea of eliminating special arts and academic programs located in specific schools, which attract high numbers of white and Asian students. This is in the name of “equity” and “access” for those black and Hispanic students who typically are not found in AP, IB, or STEM programs. However, this is Newspeak for the reality that the schools whose majority population is black are so diverse and vibrant that the police must visit every day to monitor the diversity and vibrancy. Eliminating programs inimical to diversity and vibrancy will enable high-achieving white and Asian students to see how valuable diversity and vibrancy is to the physics curriculum when they are forced to attend their local shit hole, sorry, I mean school.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Niagara, years ago Toronto funded an Afro Centric school. How did that turn out?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up.

    In some cities, such as Philly, parents--even African Baptist or A.M.E.--tried to get around this by sending their kids to parochial schools, partly for safety reasons, but also so they could get teachers who majored in academic subjects such as Math or English rather than Math Education or Language Arts Education. This has been going on for decades.

    In NY, the Board of Regents tried to get around the get-around by requiring private school instructors to take a certain number of credit-hours in Education, where the Education Majors can do their best to sabotage Arts and Science Majors who show their contempt too openly. (It's a habit they got into when sabotaging smart kids, and old habits die hard.)
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  12. George Santayana said: “Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim.’”

    Are the teachers really “fanatics” do they really believe it is all due to lack of money, commitment and will?

    Or, is this just what has to happen in order to maintain the patron-proxie (master/servant) relationship?

    The teachers might enjoy reading Charles Francs Adams jr on a similar theme:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9996?msg=welcome_stranger

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    • Replies: @David
    Thanks, that was interesting.

    In utter disregard of fundamental, scientific facts, we theoretically believed that all men--no matter what might be the color of their skin, or the texture of their hair--were, if placed under exactly similar conditions, in essentials the same. In other words, we indulged in the curious and, as is now admitted, utterly erroneous theory that the African was, so to speak, an Anglo-Saxon, or, if you will, a Yankee "who had never had a chance,"--a fellow-man who was guilty, as we chose to express it, of a skin not colored like our own. In other words, though carved in ebony, he also was in the image of God.

    Following out this theory, under the lead of men to whom scientific analysis and observation were anathema if opposed to accepted cardinal political theories as enunciated in the Declaration as read by them, the African was not only emancipated, but so far as the letter of the law, as expressed in an amended Constitution, would establish the fact, the quondam slave was in all respects placed on an equality, political, legal and moral, with those of the more advanced race.

    I do not hesitate here,--as one who largely entertained the theoretical views I have expressed,--I do not hesitate here to say, as the result of sixty years of more careful study and scientific observation, the theories then entertained by us were not only fundamentally wrong, but they further involved a problem in the presence of which I confess to-day I stand appalled.
     
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  13. @AndrewR
    Hamtramck isn't a "suburb." It is completely surrounded by Detroit except for a small border with the city of Highland Park, which also is completely surrounded by Detroit.

    The small white/black gap there is likely due to Yemenis, who make up a large portion of the population, being counted as white even though they're not only Arabs but the least-white Arabs.

    Yes, Polish-Catholic Hamtramck has been completely destroyed by the good-whites who have greatly improved the rustbelt by making it into a little Yemem and Bangladish. Hamtramck is microcosm of what is to come.
    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/12/islamophobobia-and-destruction-of.html

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  14. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    The principal subtext of this series of examples, made somewhat plain in the final reference to West Virginia, is that if we can't raise the hordes of negroes and third-world migrants and their descendants to the levels of white achievement, we will either wreck the whites or eliminate them.

    Any way you look at it, it's good for the Tribal Elite, which should find their reign unchallenged in perpetuity. The rapid increase of Asian population does raise the possibility of a quandary, should they one day tire of invisibility.

    Meanwhile, though, all Good People can remain in complete solidarity against the White Man. This is one more reason why the elites are getting nervous at the possibility of not having enough whites to go around. There is a contradiction here.

    Actually, it’s Steve who interjects West Virginia as an example where “the numbers are correct but the situation is dire”

    From the Seattke Times:

    On a sunny Friday in October, students across Seattle had the day off, but in the cafeteria at Chief Sealth High, about 250 teachers spent the morning clustered around small tables littered with empty coffee cups, poster boards and markers.

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.

    “This is something that I have wanted to do for some time,” Nyland told teachers at the end of the day, adding that the district had few examples to follow. “We are learning from each other. No one knows how to do this.”

    “No-one knows how to do this” might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “No-one knows how to do this” might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?
     
    Don't you know, El Dato, that every one of these people have MASTERS DEGREES, in .... no, wait for it ... EDUCATION! OK, for the teachers it was forced on them by state law, so I can't give them shit as much.

    Anyway, about your analogy, this is a lot more like "No one knows how to do this, and we know one thing - it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, so anyone who makes more effort is an idiot. No one CAN know how to do this, and no one WILL EVER know how to do this." An engineer will have to think of what else can be done, to solve the problem differently or solve a different problem.

    If the HBD/genetic laws are ever sorted out and stated as laws of nature, then finally people may believe people like iSteve here on this subject. However, the people in the Seattle Times article have MASTERS DEGREES IN EDUCATION, so maybe the laws CAN be broken. We're just gonna need a bigger boat budget.

    , @Anonymous

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.
     
    Aha! The kill quote! They're going to be 'introducing lessons' to parents as well.

    Now we're gettin' somewheres!
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  15. @Nico
    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here. A place like Detroit or McDowell Co., for example, technically has lots of racial equality in its schools but absolutely no equity (because of the low quality of the human capital from which its student body is extracted).

    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here.

    No, they mean “equity” and the School Board is using it correctly, whereas Neal Morton is not. Equity means a proportionate amount, a just settlement, a fair distribution. It does not mean absolute equality nor is it a synonym for “value,” which is how you are using it. The use of the term equity in financial circles derives from its literal meaning, i.e. a 10% stakeholder in a corporation gets ten percent of the voting rights and ten percent of the dividends, which is his “equitable” due in proportion to the amount of capital he has contributed to the enterprise.

    The School Board very carefully selected its language about equity because it knows that ensuring the equality of students is impossible. The best that any school can do is to ensure that each student will receive all that his talents and efforts deserve to receive from the educational experience. Equity in real life situations is actually inequality, and the board was wise enough to build recognition of this fact directly into its official statements.

    The fact that Neal Morton misunderstands what the Board meant is due to several causes: 1) Like most journalists today, he’s a moron who doesn’t know the real meaning of the word; 2) He has an unacknowledged and perhaps unconscious presupposition that Black students are no different from their White peers, and hence any difference in educational outcomes between the two groups must be the school’s fault; and 3) His job depends on him writing garbage that conforms to the prevailing narrative.

    But in reality the school has completely fulfilled its mandate. It has maintained the equity of educational outcomes by not obscuring their intrinsic inequality. To artificially level the outcomes would be to promote inequity. If equity reveals uncomfortable racial divisions, so much the worse for the equalizers.

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    • Replies: @bomag
    I'm sure someone writing for the school board is aware and used "equity" as you say.

    I suspect that most educators and school board members think "equity" and "equality" are interchangeable.

    , @Icedoc
    I like your conclusions, but unfortunately they do not find much support in the education bureaucracy. In my opinion, we presently have at least 100% equity among all students, but they do-gooders want something different. So you see the AA/EEOC justification for differing qualification for admission depending on skin color. A form of gross inequity.
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  16. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    What we've been doing for the past several decades hasn't worked very well. Therefore, we must do much more of it, with much greater passion and expenditure, and we must lay the blame ever more vindictively upon those who dare to propose alternatives.

    “There’s been a lot of starts and stops,” said Gerald Donaldson, a family-support worker at Leschi Elementary. “Every 10 years we get a new program, but this actually may work.”

    [...]

    He’s also buoyed by new support from the city, churches and community groups, saying he hasn’t seen this kind of community buy-in for 30 years.

    When asked what they’ve done in addition to the school equity teams, senior leaders point to:

    • A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.
    • A focus on equity in training for new principals.
    • A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.
    • New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.
    • Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.

    I admire the persistence at rearranging chairs on decks. Apparently the time that can be diverted from actual teaching activities is infinite. It’s like Equity Quantitative Easing.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Rearranging deck chairs in committee meanings with other grown-ups is more pleasant than teaching dumb kids, so lots of teachers quickly transfer to staff jobs downtown where they get to work in child-free offices all day.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Because of the disparate impact of school discipline policies, that punished more Black pupils, Seattle area school administrators enthusiastically adopted Obama Administration guidance aimed to reach racial equity in disciplinary outcomes.

    http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2017/11/devos_criticisms_obama_student_discipline_guidance.html

    Shot:

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/educationlab/2014/01/27/highline-schools-cut-suspensionsexpulsions-in-half/

    Two weeks ago, the federal government urged all school districts to expand alternatives to out-of-school discipline. Highline is one of the frontrunners in such efforts in this state.

    Seattle Public Schools, where racial disparities in discipline are under investigation by the U.S. Department of Education, has said it, too, is looking for ways to reduce suspensions and expulsions.

    The Highline School District recently set a goal of ending expulsions and out-of-school suspensions by 2015,
     

    http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/educationlab/files/2014/01/highline-620x349.jpg

    Chaser

    https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/highline-struggles-with-fallout-of-limiting-student-suspensions/


    Three years ago, Highline sat at the leading edge of a national effort to rethink school discipline and move away from outright punishment. Since then, many teachers have resigned, pointing toward a vast gulf between embracing ideals and making them real.

    Kettler is among more than 200 educators who had resigned from the district as of June, many saying Highline’s new approach to student discipline has created outright chaos.

    The turmoil of the past school year didn’t help, with an alleged gang rape, several student deaths and criminal charges, including murder, for a group of boys not yet out of middle school.

    Veteran teachers are shaking their heads. Three years ago, Highline sat poised at the leading edge of a national effort to rethink the way schools handle misbehavior, based on evidence that booting kids out results mainly in their return to class angrier and more behind than ever — if they return at all.
     

    The entire article as well as this blog / journal post by the teacher as that inspired it as well as reader comments there are very much worth reading.

    https://beingmskettler.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/it-doesnt-always-have-to-be-beautiful/

    , @Alden
    Family support worker???????????
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  17. @El Dato

    “There’s been a lot of starts and stops,” said Gerald Donaldson, a family-support worker at Leschi Elementary. “Every 10 years we get a new program, but this actually may work.”

    [...]

    He’s also buoyed by new support from the city, churches and community groups, saying he hasn’t seen this kind of community buy-in for 30 years.

    When asked what they’ve done in addition to the school equity teams, senior leaders point to:

    • A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.
    • A focus on equity in training for new principals.
    • A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.
    • New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.
    • Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.
     
    I admire the persistence at rearranging chairs on decks. Apparently the time that can be diverted from actual teaching activities is infinite. It's like Equity Quantitative Easing.

    Rearranging deck chairs in committee meanings with other grown-ups is more pleasant than teaching dumb kids, so lots of teachers quickly transfer to staff jobs downtown where they get to work in child-free offices all day.

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    Yes, and to support all this, we taxpayers, with or without kids, need to up our game property-tax-wise. Our local school is so strapped with all these goings-on that we had to donate two full-size boxes of saltines. Of course, my wife waited until they were on sale at the grocery - she's already heard my rant about how long I've been paying taxes for this place.
    , @Jake
    Rather like the Soviet honchos who preferred to work in the Kremlin devising new 5 Year Plans to leap forward into perfect equality and bounty for all than to work in any place that forced them to see what total failures all their theories and plans were.
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  18. Ed says:

    This is pretty stunning stuff. Someone should show it to the Vox writers that claimed 0% of blacks attended majority white schools in 1954. Even as far back as the 40s there were concerns in about blacks keeping up. And earnest efforts to help.

    Also Barbo, the Seattle principal, calls the students “retarded because of cultural, racial and economic disadvantages”. Even liberals were quite blunt back then. A principal would get fired for saying that today.

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    Even liberals were quite blunt back then.

    Not really, in 1964 an educator could still use the word "retarded" in its original sense of "delayed " or "held back". It hadn't yet acquired the connotation of "idiot" in the mainstream language. "Mental retardation" was originally introduced as a more positive sounding euphemism for "feeble minded", and like most euphemisms eventually became "offensive" because euphemisms can only obscure the truth for so long.
    , @Desiderius

    show it to the Vox writers
     
    I think you misunderstand the nature and purpose of those Vox writers.

    The progtard journalist-regular person gap is as inexorable as the black-white one, and for related reasons.
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  19. Bubba says:

    One would think that most K-12 education (and even most colleges) would be online by now and costing far less per pupil than the current outrageous costs. Students could repeat lectures & drills going at their own pace and perhaps do much better on tests until the gap is lowered (but it will never be equal). However I guess that would be called “racist” by the teachers’ unions who control the Democratic Party.

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    Well that's a very hopeful scenario. And just whom is going to deliver the little inner city scholars breakfasts and lunches?
    , @Alden
    What makes you think the black kids parents would make sure they got online every day?
    , @Jim Don Bob

    However I guess that would be called “racist” by the teachers’ unions who control the Democratic Party.
     
    Teachers' unions contribute a huge amount of money to the Ds, but they also provides a lot of the GOTV manpower on Election Day. Blowing up union shops like Scott Walker did in Wisconsin would be a good thing.
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  20. You can’t faith-heal The Gap without faith.

    … Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It is produced in partnership with the Solutions Journalism Network and is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

    Journalists don’t report anymore what’s happening – they find “Network-Solutions”, while – unfortunately – the problems don’t want to disappear. They just linger on as “persistent challenges”, what makes this whole thing something like a faith-based perpetuum mobile. –

    - “These are the times of the miracles and wonders” – funded by “Bill and Melinda Gates”- as long as their faith – – or money – – will last: From now on to eternity?

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  21. @El Dato
    Actually, it's Steve who interjects West Virginia as an example where "the numbers are correct but the situation is dire"

    From the Seattke Times:


    On a sunny Friday in October, students across Seattle had the day off, but in the cafeteria at Chief Sealth High, about 250 teachers spent the morning clustered around small tables littered with empty coffee cups, poster boards and markers.

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.

    “This is something that I have wanted to do for some time,” Nyland told teachers at the end of the day, adding that the district had few examples to follow. “We are learning from each other. No one knows how to do this.”
     

    "No-one knows how to do this" might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But ... it's fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?

    “No-one knows how to do this” might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?

    Don’t you know, El Dato, that every one of these people have MASTERS DEGREES, in …. no, wait for it … EDUCATION! OK, for the teachers it was forced on them by state law, so I can’t give them shit as much.

    Anyway, about your analogy, this is a lot more like “No one knows how to do this, and we know one thing – it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, so anyone who makes more effort is an idiot. No one CAN know how to do this, and no one WILL EVER know how to do this.” An engineer will have to think of what else can be done, to solve the problem differently or solve a different problem.

    If the HBD/genetic laws are ever sorted out and stated as laws of nature, then finally people may believe people like iSteve here on this subject. However, the people in the Seattle Times article have MASTERS DEGREES IN EDUCATION, so maybe the laws CAN be broken. We’re just gonna need a bigger boat budget.

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    El Dato commented, "'No-one knows how to do this' might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?"

    Here are three statements:

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus.

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus to Students of Color.

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus to Students of Color who have repeatedly failed Algebra I.

    If Seattle Times cub reporter Neal Morton can't distinguish among these sentences, neither can the educators he quotes, it seems.

    (The ghost "... to White Students who have repeatedly failed Algebra I" could of course be glimpsed, but its implications would require a separate Trigger Warning.)
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  22. Why is it only white people (or “non-white but still Caucasian” immigrants) who care about closing the “racial gap” in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun’s white peers do better in school than he does.

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    This is a huge point. A big reason for the gap is just bad parenting from a certain segment of the population. We have given the welfare class a pass on the responsibility to parent properly, bigotry of low expectations and all that. Of course this huge disadvantage must never be stated due to it being insanely politically incorrect, but the fact is without someone at home to read to a child, help with homework, feed them properly, instill discipline, etc., these kids have no chance at all.
    , @J.Ross
    I've never heard a Chinese (apart from activists like Ying Ma) lament it. The Chinese in "Empire of Dust" (free on YouTube) are pretty clear in their feelings.
    , @Anonymous

    Why is it only white people (or “non-white but still Caucasian” immigrants) who care about closing the “racial gap” in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun’s white peers do better in school than he does.
     
    LOL of course not. DeShaun and his pals are too busy beating up black kids who do well in school for "acting white". Heck I think they even beat up kids who wear glasses, for trying to look white(smart).
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  23. @Steve Sailer
    Rearranging deck chairs in committee meanings with other grown-ups is more pleasant than teaching dumb kids, so lots of teachers quickly transfer to staff jobs downtown where they get to work in child-free offices all day.

    Yes, and to support all this, we taxpayers, with or without kids, need to up our game property-tax-wise. Our local school is so strapped with all these goings-on that we had to donate two full-size boxes of saltines. Of course, my wife waited until they were on sale at the grocery – she’s already heard my rant about how long I’ve been paying taxes for this place.

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  24. @Ed
    This is pretty stunning stuff. Someone should show it to the Vox writers that claimed 0% of blacks attended majority white schools in 1954. Even as far back as the 40s there were concerns in about blacks keeping up. And earnest efforts to help.

    Also Barbo, the Seattle principal, calls the students “retarded because of cultural, racial and economic disadvantages”. Even liberals were quite blunt back then. A principal would get fired for saying that today.

    Even liberals were quite blunt back then.

    Not really, in 1964 an educator could still use the word “retarded” in its original sense of “delayed ” or “held back”. It hadn’t yet acquired the connotation of “idiot” in the mainstream language. “Mental retardation” was originally introduced as a more positive sounding euphemism for “feeble minded”, and like most euphemisms eventually became “offensive” because euphemisms can only obscure the truth for so long.

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    That's what Ed meant. Barbo was more blunt, as he didn't use euphemisms for normal English. The bad connotations of retarded are mostly in the minds of the euphemism-speakers.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    But now "retarded" is taboo. So the Association for Retarded Citizens is just called the Arc now.
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  25. If this box is ever opened,” his letter reads, “I would assume the problems we face today in understanding the racial differences will have been resolved. Personally, I trust this will happen.”

    “You’re gonna need a longer-term time capsule.”

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    .

    says concerned “educator” to head of the Equity Committee.

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  26. @Peter Akuleyev
    Even liberals were quite blunt back then.

    Not really, in 1964 an educator could still use the word "retarded" in its original sense of "delayed " or "held back". It hadn't yet acquired the connotation of "idiot" in the mainstream language. "Mental retardation" was originally introduced as a more positive sounding euphemism for "feeble minded", and like most euphemisms eventually became "offensive" because euphemisms can only obscure the truth for so long.

    That’s what Ed meant. Barbo was more blunt, as he didn’t use euphemisms for normal English. The bad connotations of retarded are mostly in the minds of the euphemism-speakers.

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  27. @the one they call Desanex
    “Asians...have no color...”

    Asians pass with flying colors
    While the colored students fail,
    So the chinks, at first just yellow,
    Turned a vibrant shade of pale.

    I see what you did there.

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  28. Indeed, education experts and researchers from across the nation couldn’t name a school district where racial gaps in achievement don’t exist.

    That is pretty amazing, and it holds true in Europe and Canada as well. Liberals have no answer to that other than “racism”.

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  29. Jake says:

    “In contrast, the smallest white-black gap (only 0.04 standard deviations) is found in McDowell County, West Virginia.

    … the Stanford researchers’ most equal district, McDowell County, which JFK made into a symbol of Appalachian poverty, is notorious for having just about the worst whites in America. Male life expectancy in this coal county is only 63.3 years.

    So one solution to racial inequality, evidently, is to have most of the whites with something on the ball, such as rocket scientist Homer Hickam, the McDowell County hero of the movie October Sky, move away. (The population of this coal-mining county has fallen by 80 percent since 1950.)

    Something similar has happened in the city with the second-smallest white-black gap, Detroit, where the public schools are now only 3 percent white, and five out of every eight white children left in Detroit live in poverty.

    Other districts with small white-black gaps include similar Rust Belt blue-collar towns such as Hamtramck, a Detroit suburb recently in the news for having a majority Muslim city council.”

    That is exactly what the Elites of the former West are arranging: they intend to arrange deck chairs so that the vast majority of white Gentiles are caught, virtually permanently, in a cycle of downward spiral
    that makes them truly, Equal, because truly no better off, than the average blacks of the world.

    That is the Equality of Cultural Marxism.

    Jews and the few white super rich and powerful Gentiles – like the Clintons and Bushes, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos – will be exempt, as will the Mohammedan royals and rich.

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  30. Jake says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Rearranging deck chairs in committee meanings with other grown-ups is more pleasant than teaching dumb kids, so lots of teachers quickly transfer to staff jobs downtown where they get to work in child-free offices all day.

    Rather like the Soviet honchos who preferred to work in the Kremlin devising new 5 Year Plans to leap forward into perfect equality and bounty for all than to work in any place that forced them to see what total failures all their theories and plans were.

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  31. Jake says:
    @AndrewR
    What we're witnessing is nothing less than a religious phenomenon. Leftists tend to think of themselves as post-religion or anti-religion, but in reality their beliefs are no more rational or falsifiable than the most backwoods bible-beater in Mississippi.

    Yours is an understatement. Leftist articles of faith are less likely to occur than is the faith of many ‘bible-beaters’ that God is about to release utter destruction upon the perversion that is PC America.

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    AMEN!
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  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Seattle Public Schools has pledged to eliminate the gaps in achievement between students of color and their white peers.

    Between black students and non-black students.

    Critics say they’re seeing the same old routine they’ve witnessed for decades.

    Why not let the critics pitch in some ideas, if they’re so smart? Here’s a suggestion from the linked article from black grandmother Linda Kennedy:

    “This isn’t rocket science. From the top down, someone has to say that these children are valuable.”

    Exactly what does that mean, in concrete, actionable terms? Maybe Linda can be brought in to implement her simple solution.

    In their 2016 report, Stanford researchers found black students in Seattle tested three and a half grade levels behind their white peers. In an update in 2017, they found that gap had widened to 3.7 grade levels.

    There are only so many things to do here. Don’t promote them to the next grade until they are at that level, or be satisfied with their being behind. If the former, you might want to segregate them so that kids are not in classes with adults.

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  33. @tsotha
    "Equity" is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.

    There’s nothing slippery about it at all.

    It means “get whiteys other than the speaker”.

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  34. They’re invisible-colored.

    That’s fortunate for them. White parents have to pay big money to make their kids invisible-colored.

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  35. @Ed
    This is pretty stunning stuff. Someone should show it to the Vox writers that claimed 0% of blacks attended majority white schools in 1954. Even as far back as the 40s there were concerns in about blacks keeping up. And earnest efforts to help.

    Also Barbo, the Seattle principal, calls the students “retarded because of cultural, racial and economic disadvantages”. Even liberals were quite blunt back then. A principal would get fired for saying that today.

    show it to the Vox writers

    I think you misunderstand the nature and purpose of those Vox writers.

    The progtard journalist-regular person gap is as inexorable as the black-white one, and for related reasons.

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    The progtard journalist-regular person gap is as inexorable as the black-white one, and for related reasons.
     
    The progtard-journalist to regular thoughtful person IQ gap is much greater than one standard deviation I am afraid.
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  36. The gap-closers are probably not completely wrong. If you assigned a team of specialists to each minority kid, and gave them the right to control all circumstances, such as nutrition and sleep habits, how many and what kind of books are available, whether TV, internet and video games would be allowed, whether the parents were allowed to separate, and if they did, the sexual habits of the single mom, and so on, you could probably close the gap significantly.

    The problem is, most people think that would be too expensive and would violate the civil rights of the kids and their families.

    The real question is, could you close the gap with some kind of marginal intervention like Head Start. And the lesson of the last 50 years is that you can’t.

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  37. Sunbeam says:

    I kind of suspect the answer to a question I’m going to pose.

    But how segregated (in the sense that public schools are overwhelmingly white or black) are Seattle public schools? The ones around San Francisco? The whole West Coast, Massachussetts even?

    My point is these are areas that liberal/SJW types have total uncontested control. But how much of that diversity are they willing to partake in themselves, or more precisely with their progeny?

    The Southern US is kind of trending back to… not sure what you call it, Resegregation? Used to be people put their kids in private schools, but now it is kind of a home schooling/magnet school thing, along with expensive suburbs with de facto barrier to entry requirements in housing prices.

    Anyway, despite that, I’d suspect that if you put up one of those pretty graphs with the degree of existent segregation in public schools, that blue states are way worse than red ones for this.

    In states where substantial numbers of blacks exist of course, though Mexicans seem to be present instead of blacks in a lot of places west of the Mississippi (suspect the same pattern is true for them).

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  38. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Those poor white kids left in the Detroit schools should get combat pay.

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  39. bomag says:
    @ic1000
    > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    New readers may not be aware of Steve's penchant foe irony.

    "Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It... is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."

    The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites.

    “The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites, soon to be overrun and looted by third-world commoners.”

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  40. bomag says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here.
     
    No, they mean "equity" and the School Board is using it correctly, whereas Neal Morton is not. Equity means a proportionate amount, a just settlement, a fair distribution. It does not mean absolute equality nor is it a synonym for "value," which is how you are using it. The use of the term equity in financial circles derives from its literal meaning, i.e. a 10% stakeholder in a corporation gets ten percent of the voting rights and ten percent of the dividends, which is his "equitable" due in proportion to the amount of capital he has contributed to the enterprise.

    The School Board very carefully selected its language about equity because it knows that ensuring the equality of students is impossible. The best that any school can do is to ensure that each student will receive all that his talents and efforts deserve to receive from the educational experience. Equity in real life situations is actually inequality, and the board was wise enough to build recognition of this fact directly into its official statements.

    The fact that Neal Morton misunderstands what the Board meant is due to several causes: 1) Like most journalists today, he's a moron who doesn't know the real meaning of the word; 2) He has an unacknowledged and perhaps unconscious presupposition that Black students are no different from their White peers, and hence any difference in educational outcomes between the two groups must be the school's fault; and 3) His job depends on him writing garbage that conforms to the prevailing narrative.

    But in reality the school has completely fulfilled its mandate. It has maintained the equity of educational outcomes by not obscuring their intrinsic inequality. To artificially level the outcomes would be to promote inequity. If equity reveals uncomfortable racial divisions, so much the worse for the equalizers.

    I’m sure someone writing for the school board is aware and used “equity” as you say.

    I suspect that most educators and school board members think “equity” and “equality” are interchangeable.

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  41. @Jake
    Yours is an understatement. Leftist articles of faith are less likely to occur than is the faith of many 'bible-beaters' that God is about to release utter destruction upon the perversion that is PC America.

    AMEN!

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    Ron, there is no [AMEN] button. What the hell, man?
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  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    AMEN!

    Ron, there is no [AMEN] button. What the hell, man?

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    That's what the agree button is for.
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  43. Arclight says:

    This is a great issue for progressives – one, it cannot be solved through more funding/programming so there will always plenty of jobs for academics, consultants, and journalists to puzzle over why the latest fad didn’t work, and two, actually solving it would eliminate a core tenet of their faith, that white supremacy is pervasive, ineradicable, and explains everything in America.

    What would take real compassion and foresight would be a major effort to identify the most promising poor students and get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible to give them a fighting chance for their abilities to pull them and their future children out of poverty and into the middle and upper classes.

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    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution, but it also underscores why the Left - even the most nicey-nice, old fashioned, good-hearted Liberal - is always and at all times utterly Totalitarian at heart. The only way to bring any of their Dreams to fruition is to have total power over people's money and movements and even thoughts, and to use that power to destroy families and communities, so they can be remade in the most recent Leftist image.
    , @Desiderius

    get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible
     
    No, that's what fucked up all those progressives in the first place.

    Rootlessness is no way to get ahead in any way that matters.
    , @Jack D
    This has been tried - e.g. the American Indian boarding schools, and it doesn't work. 1st of all, there is no substitute for the love of a family. No one cares about someone else's kids as much as you care for your own. 2nd, the fraction of blacks with superior IQs is vanishingly small. There are no hidden geniuses in the ghetto.

    My son went to a private school in the Phila suburbs that had a scholarship program for promising ghetto kids (especially ones who were good at sports). Hardly any made it to graduation. One was caught dealing drugs - expelled. One was caught stealing from the other kids and teachers - expelled. One pulled out a knife while waiting for the train to take him back to the city - expelled. And so on. The most horrific was a kid whose father (pretty rare to HAVE a father in the ghetto) decided to kill his whole family and himself. The kid was shot but somehow survived.
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  44. pyrrhus says:
    @ic1000
    > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    New readers may not be aware of Steve's penchant foe irony.

    "Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It... is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."

    The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to find out what some of those “promising approaches” are thought to be?
    Brown vs. Board of Education has proved to be a complete disaster….
    The USA, a formerly First World country with a tenth-rate, but politically correct, system of public education…

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    Brown vs. Board of Education has proved to be a complete disaster….
     
    But it's too vibrant to fail.
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  45. Yak-15 says:

    “If you don’t believe that you can move the needle,” he said, “no amount of money is going to help.”

    Is this really what the best and brightest on the left understand to be reality – that the most important part of the erasing the gap recipe is complete absolute belief in the cause?

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  46. Bryan says:

    A little OT, but one thing we should consider is the usefulness of awful urban schools for the political goal of establishing the ethno-city. I suspect one of the significant benefits of terrible schools is that it solidifies the territory gains of the last decades.

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  47. Jake says:
    @Arclight
    This is a great issue for progressives - one, it cannot be solved through more funding/programming so there will always plenty of jobs for academics, consultants, and journalists to puzzle over why the latest fad didn't work, and two, actually solving it would eliminate a core tenet of their faith, that white supremacy is pervasive, ineradicable, and explains everything in America.

    What would take real compassion and foresight would be a major effort to identify the most promising poor students and get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible to give them a fighting chance for their abilities to pull them and their future children out of poverty and into the middle and upper classes.

    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution, but it also underscores why the Left – even the most nicey-nice, old fashioned, good-hearted Liberal – is always and at all times utterly Totalitarian at heart. The only way to bring any of their Dreams to fruition is to have total power over people’s money and movements and even thoughts, and to use that power to destroy families and communities, so they can be remade in the most recent Leftist image.

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    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution
     
    But it's not true.

    The Ashkenazi didn't get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy, they did it by making sure the smartest boys had the highest status, and thus marriage prospects within the shtetl itself.
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  48. JerryC says:

    What would take real compassion and foresight would be a major effort to identify the most promising poor students and get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible to give them a fighting chance for their abilities to pull them and their future children out of poverty and into the middle and upper classes.

    Yes, that was the reasoning behind Australia’s policy of putting aboriginal kids in boarding schools. Maybe it would work out better this time. But probably not!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

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  49. This reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where Homer intentionally becomes stupider because no one likes him when he is smart

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  50. countenance says: • Website

    This past spring, the archivist for Seattle Public Schools unearthed a yellowed slip of paper that C.S. Barbo, former principal of Meany Junior High, had tucked into a time capsule in 1963 alongside a plastic toy gun and book of student poems. In three brief paragraphs, Barbo lamented what he called the “cultural, racial and economic disadvantages” that he believed slowed the learning of some of his students.

    55 years ago. Meaning that the education industry’s obsession with TEH GAP~!!!!1 is actually more than half a century old.

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  51. @Arclight
    This is a great issue for progressives - one, it cannot be solved through more funding/programming so there will always plenty of jobs for academics, consultants, and journalists to puzzle over why the latest fad didn't work, and two, actually solving it would eliminate a core tenet of their faith, that white supremacy is pervasive, ineradicable, and explains everything in America.

    What would take real compassion and foresight would be a major effort to identify the most promising poor students and get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible to give them a fighting chance for their abilities to pull them and their future children out of poverty and into the middle and upper classes.

    get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible

    No, that’s what fucked up all those progressives in the first place.

    Rootlessness is no way to get ahead in any way that matters.

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  52. “Barbo’s Lament”.

    This sounds like a phrase that could be used again and again whenever anyone discusses black/white achievement gaps. Sort of like whenever liberal’s want to discuss the evil of white racism and invoke “Emmett Till”.

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  53. unit472 says:

    Sheesh, how many black students were in the Seattle public schools in 1963? Theoretically that tiny cohort could have sat in the same elementary school with Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Jeff Bezos and would it have made any difference? Apparently not!

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  54. The school test score achievement GAP between Blacks/Mestizos/Amerindians and Whites/North Asians is caused by the differences in intelligence between the two groups.

    Whites/North Asians, on average, have higher IQ’s than Blacks/Mestizos/Amerindians.

    Steve Sailer finds the reaction from the education industry and the corporate media to the continuous existence of the school test score and achievement GAP between races to be amusing; he is waiting for the moment when it might be routinely ascribed to innate differences between the races. Keep waiting, Sailer.

    Lauren Hutton’s front tooth GAP and the Delaware Water GAP would score below the mighty Cumberland GAP in historical significance. Just like Blacks/Mestizos/Amerindians score below Whites/North Asians in school test scores.

    Cumberland Gap:

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  55. Thomas says:

    Asians, who are as numerous as blacks in Seattle public schools, have no color, apparently. They’re invisible-colored.

    Asians in the total population in Seattle are twice as numerous now as blacks, and more numerous than blacks and Hispanics combined, and Seattle is slightly whiter than the U.S. at large (as is the Pacific Northwest generally). Amazon and other tech companies are bringing people into Seattle hand over fist (the city is growing about 3% a year), the majority of whom, unsurprisingly, are white or Asian. The likely long term outcome, of an eventual surge of white and Asian children of tech geeks growing up in Seattle over the next 20 years, probably won’t do much for closing the gap, though it’s likely to be an endless source of this sort of handwringing. It’ll be interesting to watch though, along with the Bay Area, as a place in which Asians are numerous enough that they might not be as invisible and ignorable, as well as a rare part of the country maybe that isn’t running out of white children (or maybe white and Asian children combined, assuming their families don’t all flee to private schools or suburbs).

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    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life. They get to sound super tolerant without the downside of significantly higher crime rates, trashier neighborhoods, crappier schools and so on.
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  56. rogue-one says:

    I have spent entire day listening on tv how great the people of Haiti are.

    Perhaps the solution is more immigration. I am sure that by bringing in loads of children from El Salvador, Haiti, Somalia, Niger, Congo, Zimbabwe, etc. (countries that are somehow impoverished without any fault of the people living there despite mean Trump calling them shitholes), we can finally boost the scores of black students relative to whites.

    I am sure there are many future Einstein that are undiscovered in Africa & Haiti. A few Einsteins in Seattle, a few Einsteins in Chicago, and the gap will disappear.

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  57. ic1000 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “No-one knows how to do this” might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?
     
    Don't you know, El Dato, that every one of these people have MASTERS DEGREES, in .... no, wait for it ... EDUCATION! OK, for the teachers it was forced on them by state law, so I can't give them shit as much.

    Anyway, about your analogy, this is a lot more like "No one knows how to do this, and we know one thing - it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, so anyone who makes more effort is an idiot. No one CAN know how to do this, and no one WILL EVER know how to do this." An engineer will have to think of what else can be done, to solve the problem differently or solve a different problem.

    If the HBD/genetic laws are ever sorted out and stated as laws of nature, then finally people may believe people like iSteve here on this subject. However, the people in the Seattle Times article have MASTERS DEGREES IN EDUCATION, so maybe the laws CAN be broken. We're just gonna need a bigger boat budget.

    El Dato commented, “‘No-one knows how to do this’ might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But … it’s fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?”

    Here are three statements:

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus.

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus to Students of Color.

    * No-one knows how to teach Pre-calculus to Students of Color who have repeatedly failed Algebra I.

    If Seattle Times cub reporter Neal Morton can’t distinguish among these sentences, neither can the educators he quotes, it seems.

    (The ghost “… to White Students who have repeatedly failed Algebra I” could of course be glimpsed, but its implications would require a separate Trigger Warning.)

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  58. @NiagaraMofo
    In Toronto, the school board has been kicking around the idea of eliminating special arts and academic programs located in specific schools, which attract high numbers of white and Asian students. This is in the name of "equity" and "access" for those black and Hispanic students who typically are not found in AP, IB, or STEM programs. However, this is Newspeak for the reality that the schools whose majority population is black are so diverse and vibrant that the police must visit every day to monitor the diversity and vibrancy. Eliminating programs inimical to diversity and vibrancy will enable high-achieving white and Asian students to see how valuable diversity and vibrancy is to the physics curriculum when they are forced to attend their local shit hole, sorry, I mean school.

    Niagara, years ago Toronto funded an Afro Centric school. How did that turn out?

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    Thanks for 'axing', Buffalo Joe. Hahaha...only a tiny number of black families thought it was a good idea. So much for cultural relevance.
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  59. Matrix says:

    Two things, I’m in a school where we are inundated now with new technology. Kids are so distracted and addicted to their iPads, iPhones, you can hardly get any type of a new concept through to them. It struck me as ironic where the big boys in Silicon Valley don’t allow technology at their local high school for their little cherubs. Second, it is extremely frustrating to us teachers, when we have incredibly bad behavior disrupting what we’re trying to do, and getting no support from the mountain of administrators over us.

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  60. I’m in Seattle in the tech industry. The cultural homogeneity resembles that of a cult. Republicans are considered akin to child molesters. Conversations about Trump resemble five minutes of hate.

    The sanctimonious hypocrisy is stupendous. Everybody is for BLM, refugees and illegal immigrants, but everyone who can afford to lives on an island, and none want blacks, refugees or illegals in their children’s schools. I suspect they reflexively favor the immigration lottery – even though they scrupulously scrutinize whom they hire or befriend. They grumbled when the Republicans lowered the taxes, but one of the drawing points about Washington state is no state taxes. They murmur about women and inequality – but engineering teams are overwhelmingly male. They lament the plight of various unfortunates – and then go on vacation in Hawaii. Speaking of which, I suspect they resent the shithole comment – even though they’d never even fly over Haiti or Africa, let alone vacation there with their families.

    They have the political sophistication of twelve year olds. At the same time, the success of the tech industry – for which they may feel vaguely guilty, like lottery winners – largely insulates them from the effect of the policies they espouse. Case in point – BLM. Blacks are actually leaving California, NY and Seattle. And they are going to places like St. Louis. So BLM riots happen in Ferguson but not in Palo Alto or on Mercer Island.

    As long as you can keep them away from political topics, they are great. Fine Americans, by and large. Most of the ones around me are overwhelmingly pro-gun. I think that given the right circumstances, many of them would flip and vote Republican. The media does a lot of damage, though. For all their conceit, most people in the tech industry are intellectual lightweights and reflexively regurgitate CNN.

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  61. ” It’ll be interesting to watch though, along with the Bay Area, as a place in which Asians are numerous enough that they might not be as invisible and ignorable, as well as a rare part of the country maybe that isn’t running out of white children (or maybe white and Asian children combined, assuming their families don’t all flee to private schools or suburbs).”

    You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. Most of the Asian schools are over 80% Asian, and the rich whites either go to private schools or ensure that they live in an area without any reasonably priced real estate around.

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    You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians.
     
    The only Asian-majority cities in the U.S. over 100,000 people are Honolulu and Daly City. In that latter case, Daly City is a Bay Area bedroom community. All other majority Asian municipalities in the U.S. are basically like that, suburbs or small towns that are part of a larger metro area. And, in any case, the populations being drawn to places by industry aren't quite the same as first-generation boat people thirty or forty years ago.

    Most of the Asian schools are over 80% Asian, and the rich whites either go to private schools or ensure that they live in an area without any reasonably priced real estate around.
     
    That's mostly due to competing strategies in dealing with diversity (in other words, making sure your kids didn't go to school with too many poor blacks or hispanics), again, thirty or so years ago. Whites fled to either suburbs or private schools. Asians gamed the public school system to cut out their own little niches in it (either schools that turned majority Asian or else the gifted programs in them). Fits with different populations, again thirty years ago, that had more of an advantage in either money or IQ, respectively.
    , @Sunbeam
    "You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. "

    Do they drive them out? Or do the whites leave because junior whines about how much ass the school sucks, even if he isn't getting beaten up for his lunch money?

    Kind of a flippant statement, but what I'm driving at, is do the kids get pushed - or they find that they just don't like living in an environment where Asians set the rules?

    Either could be possible; I can easily imagine Hasidic Jews trying to get rid of Goyim in a school district they had taken over, so why not Asians?

    But my take is most Asians would probably shrug at having white kids in a school their children were attending. It's the kids and their parents who make the move.
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  62. From the article…..”close gaps in achievement.” Sure, as soon as you make short,fat kids dunk basketballs (lower the rim) and slow, fat kids run sub 10 second 100 meter dashes (shorten the track as needed.) You can never close an achievement gap. The closest you can come is visible on an assembly line where everyone does the same thing over and over during a set time frame. Learning requires thought and interest in learning. That’s where the gap is.

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  63. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Think of all the resources squandered all these years chasing phantoms. If they’d have put just some of it towards developing the white fence-sitters and under-performers we’d have gotten some results, guaranteed.

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  64. Hubbub says:

    New committees recycling old recommendations, teachers sitting through yet another round of training, and a revolving door of administrators engaged in one more cycle of planning.

    As a retired teacher with 45 years experience, I can attest to the fact that education is the great recycler of old ideas and programs to solve the ‘gap’ problem. Just give an old program a new name and start over. The system is set up to do this aided by textbook publishers, consultants, etc., who thrive on such irrational poppycock that fails to address the real problem – which many here know.

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  65. @NiagaraMofo
    In Toronto, the school board has been kicking around the idea of eliminating special arts and academic programs located in specific schools, which attract high numbers of white and Asian students. This is in the name of "equity" and "access" for those black and Hispanic students who typically are not found in AP, IB, or STEM programs. However, this is Newspeak for the reality that the schools whose majority population is black are so diverse and vibrant that the police must visit every day to monitor the diversity and vibrancy. Eliminating programs inimical to diversity and vibrancy will enable high-achieving white and Asian students to see how valuable diversity and vibrancy is to the physics curriculum when they are forced to attend their local shit hole, sorry, I mean school.

    Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up.

    In some cities, such as Philly, parents–even African Baptist or A.M.E.–tried to get around this by sending their kids to parochial schools, partly for safety reasons, but also so they could get teachers who majored in academic subjects such as Math or English rather than Math Education or Language Arts Education. This has been going on for decades.

    In NY, the Board of Regents tried to get around the get-around by requiring private school instructors to take a certain number of credit-hours in Education, where the Education Majors can do their best to sabotage Arts and Science Majors who show their contempt too openly. (It’s a habit they got into when sabotaging smart kids, and old habits die hard.)

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    Thanks, Rosamond. In Toronto, more parents will mortgage their houses so they can send their kids to private schools.
    , @J.Ross
    I have personally experienced this and it really screwed me up. John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Public Education goes into deep historical detail as to why this is so besides envy. tldr you can't run a factory or an office floor full of brilliant self-interested individuals.
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  66. @countenance
    This past spring, the archivist for Seattle Public Schools unearthed a yellowed slip of paper that C.S. Barbo, former principal of Meany Junior High, had tucked into a time capsule in 1963 alongside a plastic toy gun and book of student poems. In three brief paragraphs, Barbo lamented what he called the “cultural, racial and economic disadvantages” that he believed slowed the learning of some of his students.

    55 years ago. Meaning that the education industry's obsession with TEH GAP~!!!!1 is actually more than half a century old.

    They allowed toy guns back then?!!

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    They advertised them on television! I recall the Mattel Shootin Shells which were cartridges that had spring in them that propelled a plastic bullet out the barrel of your revolver.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9ojNddiSI
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  67. David says:
    @Imperial Energy
    George Santayana said: "Fanaticism consists of redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim.'"

    Are the teachers really "fanatics" do they really believe it is all due to lack of money, commitment and will?

    Or, is this just what has to happen in order to maintain the patron-proxie (master/servant) relationship?

    The teachers might enjoy reading Charles Francs Adams jr on a similar theme:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9996?msg=welcome_stranger

    Thanks, that was interesting.

    In utter disregard of fundamental, scientific facts, we theoretically believed that all men–no matter what might be the color of their skin, or the texture of their hair–were, if placed under exactly similar conditions, in essentials the same. In other words, we indulged in the curious and, as is now admitted, utterly erroneous theory that the African was, so to speak, an Anglo-Saxon, or, if you will, a Yankee “who had never had a chance,”–a fellow-man who was guilty, as we chose to express it, of a skin not colored like our own. In other words, though carved in ebony, he also was in the image of God.

    Following out this theory, under the lead of men to whom scientific analysis and observation were anathema if opposed to accepted cardinal political theories as enunciated in the Declaration as read by them, the African was not only emancipated, but so far as the letter of the law, as expressed in an amended Constitution, would establish the fact, the quondam slave was in all respects placed on an equality, political, legal and moral, with those of the more advanced race.

    I do not hesitate here,–as one who largely entertained the theoretical views I have expressed,–I do not hesitate here to say, as the result of sixty years of more careful study and scientific observation, the theories then entertained by us were not only fundamentally wrong, but they further involved a problem in the presence of which I confess to-day I stand appalled.

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  68. Alfa158 says:

    I would bet there is also a gap in performance between Whites and people of color who are Asian but no one cares about that gap.

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  69. “Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up.”

    This is idiotic. High school and middle school teachers in academic subjects aren’t Ed majors.

    Most elementary school teachers are ed majors, but they have to pass a credential test that requires at least a (genuine) high school ability in all subjects, thus assuring they have at least as much ability as most smart elementary schoolers.

    And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they’ve got a high tolerance.

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    And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart.
     
    I only had one teacher I thought hated me and that was because he thought I was a smart ass.
    , @3g4me
    @46 education realist: "And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they’ve got a high tolerance."

    Far be it from me to challenge your obvious omniscience, particularly regarding children who are supposedly smart versus teachers who are obviously brilliant because CREDENTIALS as well as being immune from normal human failings like envy or resentment, but you're full of excrement.

    I dealt with teacher resentment as a smart kid. My son was sabotaged, as an extraordinarily bright 9 year old who loved learning and school, by a teacher who very specifically stated that all children were smart and special and that my son needed to be taken down. I've read hundreds of other comments elsewhere by extremely smart individuals detailing their experiences at the hands of resentful, vituperative, and stupid teachers.

    On the other hand, I can also recount extraordinarily gifted and devoted teachers who shone like beacons in a sea of sludge.

    I can recall personally helping an education major with a paper she wrote, in which I literally numbered sentences and labelled paragraphs to make order out of her written chaos and then fill in the gaps that existed. She got an A and thanked me profusely. I did the same for a fellow English lit major who was a personal friend (at her specific and repeated request) and she never forgave me for being just a bit brighter than she was.

    In sum, DNA matters, as does practice and perseverance, we're all different in our abilities and temperaments, and teachers are neither all brilliant and dedicated nor, as numerous studies show, particularly bright. Whooda thunk it?

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  70. MEH 0910 says:

    Good day, gentlemen. This is a pre-recorded briefing made prior to your departure and which, for security reasons of the highest importance, has been known on board during the mission only by your H-A-L 9000 computer. Now that you are in Jupiter space and the entire crew is revived, it can be told to you.

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  71. “I would assume the problems we face today in understanding the racial differences will have been resolved. Personally, I trust this will happen.”

    Many of us have resolved the problems faced in the ’60s in understanding racial differences. The solution is the same one universally accepted from Biblical times through, oh, 1945 or so: races are different.

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  72. “Even the city has chimed in, spending roughly $40 million last year to help in the effort.”

    So every Seattleite flushed $40 down the toilet last year.

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  73. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile:

    Putting negros in your ads has consequences:

    H&M stores trashed by anti-racism group over ‘monkey’ ad

    Anti-racism protesters stormed multiple H&M stores across South Africa Saturday, in response to an advertisement for the company’s children’s clothing they view as racist.

    The protests were staged by members of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) who trashed the H&M stores in Menlyn Park Shopping Center, Pretoria, East Rand Mall and Sandton City Shopping Center in Gauteng.

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  74. @Rosamond Vincy
    They allowed toy guns back then?!!

    They advertised them on television! I recall the Mattel Shootin Shells which were cartridges that had spring in them that propelled a plastic bullet out the barrel of your revolver.

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  75. Arclight says:
    @Thomas

    Asians, who are as numerous as blacks in Seattle public schools, have no color, apparently. They’re invisible-colored.
     
    Asians in the total population in Seattle are twice as numerous now as blacks, and more numerous than blacks and Hispanics combined, and Seattle is slightly whiter than the U.S. at large (as is the Pacific Northwest generally). Amazon and other tech companies are bringing people into Seattle hand over fist (the city is growing about 3% a year), the majority of whom, unsurprisingly, are white or Asian. The likely long term outcome, of an eventual surge of white and Asian children of tech geeks growing up in Seattle over the next 20 years, probably won’t do much for closing the gap, though it’s likely to be an endless source of this sort of handwringing. It’ll be interesting to watch though, along with the Bay Area, as a place in which Asians are numerous enough that they might not be as invisible and ignorable, as well as a rare part of the country maybe that isn’t running out of white children (or maybe white and Asian children combined, assuming their families don’t all flee to private schools or suburbs).

    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life. They get to sound super tolerant without the downside of significantly higher crime rates, trashier neighborhoods, crappier schools and so on.

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    My ex-Californian Seattleite cousins are an extreme version of your (correct) surmise. They are ultra-elite both financially and educationally, with a Nobel prize winner in the immediate family, tens of millions in the dollar department, and impeccable limousine liberal views on every possible subject. I can just imagine what Trump's latest foray into blunt Real-speak will have done to their collective blood-pressure. They live, of course, in the very best part of old Seattle, and have never seen the inside of a public school in their lives - not that I have either, come to think of it (Berkeley doesn't count).
    , @Thomas

    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life.
     
    It’s the same reason Norway and other Scandinavian countries are successfully socialist (so far), and California has produced some of the least cucked conservatives. Proximity to diversity teaches you a lot.
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  76. Thomas says:
    @education realist
    " It’ll be interesting to watch though, along with the Bay Area, as a place in which Asians are numerous enough that they might not be as invisible and ignorable, as well as a rare part of the country maybe that isn’t running out of white children (or maybe white and Asian children combined, assuming their families don’t all flee to private schools or suburbs)."

    You forget--Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won't find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. Most of the Asian schools are over 80% Asian, and the rich whites either go to private schools or ensure that they live in an area without any reasonably priced real estate around.

    You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians.

    The only Asian-majority cities in the U.S. over 100,000 people are Honolulu and Daly City. In that latter case, Daly City is a Bay Area bedroom community. All other majority Asian municipalities in the U.S. are basically like that, suburbs or small towns that are part of a larger metro area. And, in any case, the populations being drawn to places by industry aren’t quite the same as first-generation boat people thirty or forty years ago.

    Most of the Asian schools are over 80% Asian, and the rich whites either go to private schools or ensure that they live in an area without any reasonably priced real estate around.

    That’s mostly due to competing strategies in dealing with diversity (in other words, making sure your kids didn’t go to school with too many poor blacks or hispanics), again, thirty or so years ago. Whites fled to either suburbs or private schools. Asians gamed the public school system to cut out their own little niches in it (either schools that turned majority Asian or else the gifted programs in them). Fits with different populations, again thirty years ago, that had more of an advantage in either money or IQ, respectively.

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  77. Mr. Anon says:

    Nyland, however, says commitment is more important than money.

    “If you don’t believe that you can move the needle,” he said, “no amount of money is going to help.”

    Okay. Then re-commit yourself to the task.

    And keep your hands off my money.

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  78. Sunbeam says:
    @education realist
    " It’ll be interesting to watch though, along with the Bay Area, as a place in which Asians are numerous enough that they might not be as invisible and ignorable, as well as a rare part of the country maybe that isn’t running out of white children (or maybe white and Asian children combined, assuming their families don’t all flee to private schools or suburbs)."

    You forget--Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won't find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. Most of the Asian schools are over 80% Asian, and the rich whites either go to private schools or ensure that they live in an area without any reasonably priced real estate around.

    “You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. ”

    Do they drive them out? Or do the whites leave because junior whines about how much ass the school sucks, even if he isn’t getting beaten up for his lunch money?

    Kind of a flippant statement, but what I’m driving at, is do the kids get pushed – or they find that they just don’t like living in an environment where Asians set the rules?

    Either could be possible; I can easily imagine Hasidic Jews trying to get rid of Goyim in a school district they had taken over, so why not Asians?

    But my take is most Asians would probably shrug at having white kids in a school their children were attending. It’s the kids and their parents who make the move.

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    I can easily imagine Hasidic Jews trying to get rid of Goyim in a school district they had taken over

    You don't have to imagine it--they've done it, for example, in East Ramapo, NY.

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority
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  79. …and is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

    I sometimes find Bill Gates’ support of these efforts just baffling.

    How can the man look at all the data showing over so many decades zero progress, no matter the intervention, and not wonder whether the problem isn’t far more basic? Everything in our culture has become more accepting of blacks, up to and including the election and celebration of a black President, and yet the needle, if it is moving, is going the wrong way.

    How does an intelligent, purportedly empirically minded man get around these basic, showstopping facts?

    Sometimes I think that the Gates Foundation is just Microsoft Bob writ large: a useless, ridiculous, seemingly forward looking venture funded at great expense to satisfy the demands of a wife whose only real capacity is for virtue signalling.

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  80. PSR says:
    @Bubba
    One would think that most K-12 education (and even most colleges) would be online by now and costing far less per pupil than the current outrageous costs. Students could repeat lectures & drills going at their own pace and perhaps do much better on tests until the gap is lowered (but it will never be equal). However I guess that would be called "racist" by the teachers' unions who control the Democratic Party.

    Well that’s a very hopeful scenario. And just whom is going to deliver the little inner city scholars breakfasts and lunches?

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    Thugs in BLM and the NFL players union.
    , @Triumph104
    The children would still go to a school building to learn online. However, their classroom would look like a call center. (LINK) Only the most motivated and higher functioning are capable of learning online at home.
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  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @El Dato

    It's getting worse
     
    Could it be this persistent problem has to do with the accelerating expansion of the universe and dark energy?

    Could it be this persistent problem has to do with the accelerating expansion of the universe and dark energy?

    My guess would be climate disruption.

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  82. Tinidril says:
    @al-Gharaniq
    Why is it only white people (or "non-white but still Caucasian" immigrants) who care about closing the "racial gap" in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun's white peers do better in school than he does.

    This is a huge point. A big reason for the gap is just bad parenting from a certain segment of the population. We have given the welfare class a pass on the responsibility to parent properly, bigotry of low expectations and all that. Of course this huge disadvantage must never be stated due to it being insanely politically incorrect, but the fact is without someone at home to read to a child, help with homework, feed them properly, instill discipline, etc., these kids have no chance at all.

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  83. riches says:

    Mentioned here in the past is the wry observation: “The only way to close the race gap is to beat white kids on the head with clubs.”

    Not yet commented on in this post is the invaluable efforts (sold at considerable) to Gates by Bill Ayers to accomplish the fool’s errand.

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  84. Keypusher says:

    This is actually a slightly subversive article — there’s the observation that the gap is universal, as Steve pointed out, and also the article notes that the district is just recycling— trying to reduce the discipline gap was a big priority in 1986, just like now, for example. There was a census of race/ethnicity in 1957 — of course a serious article would have reported the results and compared them with the current figures, but oh well.

    Here are the latest panaceas:

    1. A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.

    2. A focus on equity in training for new principals.

    3. A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.

    4. New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.

    5. Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.

    One and two are useless, three is probably harmful, four might help a little (though I would guess they’re trying pretty hard already), five will presumably diminish the quality of education slightly, since the content will be nonsense, but it might shrink gaps a little, since racial gaps in ethnic studies are probably smaller than in whatever it will replace.

    So, could be worse, I guess.

    One thing I didn’t get — advocates were upset because the district didn’t agree to hire clerks for every class. What’s a clerk in this context? And how is he supposed to help?

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    since racial gaps in ethnic studies are probably smaller than in whatever it will replace

    I don't know...I picture the AP Black Studies classes full of whites and Asians.
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  85. @El Dato

    “There’s been a lot of starts and stops,” said Gerald Donaldson, a family-support worker at Leschi Elementary. “Every 10 years we get a new program, but this actually may work.”

    [...]

    He’s also buoyed by new support from the city, churches and community groups, saying he hasn’t seen this kind of community buy-in for 30 years.

    When asked what they’ve done in addition to the school equity teams, senior leaders point to:

    • A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.
    • A focus on equity in training for new principals.
    • A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.
    • New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.
    • Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.
     
    I admire the persistence at rearranging chairs on decks. Apparently the time that can be diverted from actual teaching activities is infinite. It's like Equity Quantitative Easing.

    Because of the disparate impact of school discipline policies, that punished more Black pupils, Seattle area school administrators enthusiastically adopted Obama Administration guidance aimed to reach racial equity in disciplinary outcomes.

    http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2017/11/devos_criticisms_obama_student_discipline_guidance.html

    Shot:

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/educationlab/2014/01/27/highline-schools-cut-suspensionsexpulsions-in-half/

    Two weeks ago, the federal government urged all school districts to expand alternatives to out-of-school discipline. Highline is one of the frontrunners in such efforts in this state.

    Seattle Public Schools, where racial disparities in discipline are under investigation by the U.S. Department of Education, has said it, too, is looking for ways to reduce suspensions and expulsions.

    The Highline School District recently set a goal of ending expulsions and out-of-school suspensions by 2015,

    Chaser

    https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/highline-struggles-with-fallout-of-limiting-student-suspensions/

    Three years ago, Highline sat at the leading edge of a national effort to rethink school discipline and move away from outright punishment. Since then, many teachers have resigned, pointing toward a vast gulf between embracing ideals and making them real.

    Kettler is among more than 200 educators who had resigned from the district as of June, many saying Highline’s new approach to student discipline has created outright chaos.

    The turmoil of the past school year didn’t help, with an alleged gang rape, several student deaths and criminal charges, including murder, for a group of boys not yet out of middle school.

    Veteran teachers are shaking their heads. Three years ago, Highline sat poised at the leading edge of a national effort to rethink the way schools handle misbehavior, based on evidence that booting kids out results mainly in their return to class angrier and more behind than ever — if they return at all.

    The entire article as well as this blog / journal post by the teacher as that inspired it as well as reader comments there are very much worth reading.

    https://beingmskettler.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/it-doesnt-always-have-to-be-beautiful/

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  86. Jack D says:
    @Arclight
    This is a great issue for progressives - one, it cannot be solved through more funding/programming so there will always plenty of jobs for academics, consultants, and journalists to puzzle over why the latest fad didn't work, and two, actually solving it would eliminate a core tenet of their faith, that white supremacy is pervasive, ineradicable, and explains everything in America.

    What would take real compassion and foresight would be a major effort to identify the most promising poor students and get them the hell away from their peers/parents as much as possible to give them a fighting chance for their abilities to pull them and their future children out of poverty and into the middle and upper classes.

    This has been tried – e.g. the American Indian boarding schools, and it doesn’t work. 1st of all, there is no substitute for the love of a family. No one cares about someone else’s kids as much as you care for your own. 2nd, the fraction of blacks with superior IQs is vanishingly small. There are no hidden geniuses in the ghetto.

    My son went to a private school in the Phila suburbs that had a scholarship program for promising ghetto kids (especially ones who were good at sports). Hardly any made it to graduation. One was caught dealing drugs – expelled. One was caught stealing from the other kids and teachers – expelled. One pulled out a knife while waiting for the train to take him back to the city – expelled. And so on. The most horrific was a kid whose father (pretty rare to HAVE a father in the ghetto) decided to kill his whole family and himself. The kid was shot but somehow survived.

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    I had a somewhat different experience in high school. After going to public school in a large city I attended a well-regarded private high school that had enough financial aid available so that about half of the kids there got some kind of break on tuition. Admission did require scoring above a certain percentile on the entrance exam and an interview (in addition to recommendations from your previous school and a decent transcript) and we ended up with about 15% of the student body being black, about the same amount Asian, and the rest mostly white. I can't remember any sort of disciplinary disparity (which was definitely not the case in my public school experience) and overall everyone got along pretty well, with a fair amount of cross-ethnic socializing at parties and whatnot in the last couple of years. However, I think the school was pretty good at identifying kids and families that regardless of background or income were not going to take being at this school for granted, with the exception of some rich white kids from prominent families.

    What I meant by my comment about getting kids away from toxic parents/peers is making sure that decent minority students have a chance to go to schools where they are with people of like ability rather than stuck in chaotic classrooms ruled by low-IQ hard cases. This would mean having a multiple-track school system although today that is frowned upon. Let them stay at school after-hours to work on homework or whatever rather than go back to a crappy home/neighborhood right away.
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  87. EriK says:
    @education realist
    "Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up."

    This is idiotic. High school and middle school teachers in academic subjects aren't Ed majors.

    Most elementary school teachers are ed majors, but they have to pass a credential test that requires at least a (genuine) high school ability in all subjects, thus assuring they have at least as much ability as most smart elementary schoolers.

    And only morons who aren't nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they've got a high tolerance.

    And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart.

    I only had one teacher I thought hated me and that was because he thought I was a smart ass.

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  88. “I sometimes find Bill Gates’ support of these efforts just baffling.

    How does an intelligent, purportedly empirically minded man get around these basic, showstopping facts?”

    When I was an engineering student 30 years ago, engineers were, by and large, conservative-they were exactly as you describe (intelligent, empirically minded).

    My sense is that this is no longer the case. Progressivism seems to have infiltrated even empirical majors. I’ve mentioned before that even my engineering buddies from 30 years ago-now 50+ years old-spout progressive blather and hate Trump.

    It really does seem that the progressive/conservative divide has shifted. Very roughly, it used to be poor + rich vs the middle class (i.e. the suburbs, and practical middle class, tended to be conservative).

    Today, it seems to have shifted. Trump really doesn’t appeal to anybody other than working class. The suburban middle class all hate him (I’m in the heart of Trump country right now, and heard my conservative, suburban prosecuting attorney acquaintance rant about Trump’s shithole comments). The rich hate him. The poor remain Democrat.

    So how does Bill Gates fall for it? Lots of people do.

    joe

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  89. @Arclight
    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life. They get to sound super tolerant without the downside of significantly higher crime rates, trashier neighborhoods, crappier schools and so on.

    My ex-Californian Seattleite cousins are an extreme version of your (correct) surmise. They are ultra-elite both financially and educationally, with a Nobel prize winner in the immediate family, tens of millions in the dollar department, and impeccable limousine liberal views on every possible subject. I can just imagine what Trump’s latest foray into blunt Real-speak will have done to their collective blood-pressure. They live, of course, in the very best part of old Seattle, and have never seen the inside of a public school in their lives – not that I have either, come to think of it (Berkeley doesn’t count).

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    I have found in the East Coast and Midwestern cities I have lived in that the most vocal white people about racial issues are those least likely to have ever lived in close proximity to the people who they champion - those that have gone to 'diverse' big city public schools or lived in a minority neighborhood where they are heavily outnumbered have a different perspective, even if still on the left on most issues. Also, any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke - any conversation about the police, Obama or whatever starts with them saying something like "as the parent of a black child" like it's some kind of trump card that invalidates anyone else's opinion or experience.

    On a related note, the most vocal black or latino people I have encountered on racial stuff tend to be people whose jobs rely on it - those with degrees whose title ends in "studies", who work for "community development" organizations that are basically fronts for the local Democratic machine, or artists. The average black or latino person usually seems pretty apolitical except when it's voting day.
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  90. 3g4me says:
    @education realist
    "Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up."

    This is idiotic. High school and middle school teachers in academic subjects aren't Ed majors.

    Most elementary school teachers are ed majors, but they have to pass a credential test that requires at least a (genuine) high school ability in all subjects, thus assuring they have at least as much ability as most smart elementary schoolers.

    And only morons who aren't nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they've got a high tolerance.

    @46 education realist: “And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they’ve got a high tolerance.”

    Far be it from me to challenge your obvious omniscience, particularly regarding children who are supposedly smart versus teachers who are obviously brilliant because CREDENTIALS as well as being immune from normal human failings like envy or resentment, but you’re full of excrement.

    I dealt with teacher resentment as a smart kid. My son was sabotaged, as an extraordinarily bright 9 year old who loved learning and school, by a teacher who very specifically stated that all children were smart and special and that my son needed to be taken down. I’ve read hundreds of other comments elsewhere by extremely smart individuals detailing their experiences at the hands of resentful, vituperative, and stupid teachers.

    On the other hand, I can also recount extraordinarily gifted and devoted teachers who shone like beacons in a sea of sludge.

    I can recall personally helping an education major with a paper she wrote, in which I literally numbered sentences and labelled paragraphs to make order out of her written chaos and then fill in the gaps that existed. She got an A and thanked me profusely. I did the same for a fellow English lit major who was a personal friend (at her specific and repeated request) and she never forgave me for being just a bit brighter than she was.

    In sum, DNA matters, as does practice and perseverance, we’re all different in our abilities and temperaments, and teachers are neither all brilliant and dedicated nor, as numerous studies show, particularly bright. Whooda thunk it?

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    Well, my personal experience is as valid as yours, right? Some of my teachers were upset because they thought I underachieved; some were upset because I read (non-relevant) books in class. I’ll be damned if any of them were bothered because I was bright, though.
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  91. Ron White

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    Even school principals can get in trouble with Ron White, but I guess our Seattle boy in 1963 couldn't avail himself of that wisdom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n9FpUUBJXo
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  92. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Even liberals were quite blunt back then.

    Not really, in 1964 an educator could still use the word "retarded" in its original sense of "delayed " or "held back". It hadn't yet acquired the connotation of "idiot" in the mainstream language. "Mental retardation" was originally introduced as a more positive sounding euphemism for "feeble minded", and like most euphemisms eventually became "offensive" because euphemisms can only obscure the truth for so long.

    But now “retarded” is taboo. So the Association for Retarded Citizens is just called the Arc now.

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    Sometimes a regressive language approach is helpful. I use "retardate".
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  93. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvQ77JP8nw

    Ron White

    Even school principals can get in trouble with Ron White, but I guess our Seattle boy in 1963 couldn’t avail himself of that wisdom.

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  94. @Dave Pinsen
    But now "retarded" is taboo. So the Association for Retarded Citizens is just called the Arc now.

    Sometimes a regressive language approach is helpful. I use “retardate”.

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  95. Arclight says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    My ex-Californian Seattleite cousins are an extreme version of your (correct) surmise. They are ultra-elite both financially and educationally, with a Nobel prize winner in the immediate family, tens of millions in the dollar department, and impeccable limousine liberal views on every possible subject. I can just imagine what Trump's latest foray into blunt Real-speak will have done to their collective blood-pressure. They live, of course, in the very best part of old Seattle, and have never seen the inside of a public school in their lives - not that I have either, come to think of it (Berkeley doesn't count).

    I have found in the East Coast and Midwestern cities I have lived in that the most vocal white people about racial issues are those least likely to have ever lived in close proximity to the people who they champion – those that have gone to ‘diverse’ big city public schools or lived in a minority neighborhood where they are heavily outnumbered have a different perspective, even if still on the left on most issues. Also, any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke – any conversation about the police, Obama or whatever starts with them saying something like “as the parent of a black child” like it’s some kind of trump card that invalidates anyone else’s opinion or experience.

    On a related note, the most vocal black or latino people I have encountered on racial stuff tend to be people whose jobs rely on it – those with degrees whose title ends in “studies”, who work for “community development” organizations that are basically fronts for the local Democratic machine, or artists. The average black or latino person usually seems pretty apolitical except when it’s voting day.

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    any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke

    It has been my observation that children of a mixed race couple (White & non-white) identify with the race of the non-white parent. Parents who adopt non-white children begin to identify with the race of their children. Anything to escape whiteness!
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    A ton of truth in what you're saying there brother Arclight. I've not lived in the places you refer to but have had a lot of exposure through travels and international trade shows to a very diverse assortment of people. ( I can't believe that I'm employing the term "diverse" in this forum sans derisive sarcasm)

    White people in the metro St. Louis orb always (since early 1990s) seemed to have been far more woke than the Whites in some real backwater Carolinas and Georgia areas I've spent time in.

    The goofiest people on race that I have run across seem to be Minnesotans but that was pre-Minnegadishu days. No recent contact with any Keillors though, so I don't know if that situation has evolved.
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  96. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue has GAPS.

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  97. J.Ross says: • Website
    @al-Gharaniq
    Why is it only white people (or "non-white but still Caucasian" immigrants) who care about closing the "racial gap" in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun's white peers do better in school than he does.

    I’ve never heard a Chinese (apart from activists like Ying Ma) lament it. The Chinese in “Empire of Dust” (free on YouTube) are pretty clear in their feelings.

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  98. @Arclight
    I have found in the East Coast and Midwestern cities I have lived in that the most vocal white people about racial issues are those least likely to have ever lived in close proximity to the people who they champion - those that have gone to 'diverse' big city public schools or lived in a minority neighborhood where they are heavily outnumbered have a different perspective, even if still on the left on most issues. Also, any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke - any conversation about the police, Obama or whatever starts with them saying something like "as the parent of a black child" like it's some kind of trump card that invalidates anyone else's opinion or experience.

    On a related note, the most vocal black or latino people I have encountered on racial stuff tend to be people whose jobs rely on it - those with degrees whose title ends in "studies", who work for "community development" organizations that are basically fronts for the local Democratic machine, or artists. The average black or latino person usually seems pretty apolitical except when it's voting day.

    any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke

    It has been my observation that children of a mixed race couple (White & non-white) identify with the race of the non-white parent. Parents who adopt non-white children begin to identify with the race of their children. Anything to escape whiteness!

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    Yeah, this does seem to be the case - it's an advantage for college admissions, employment, etc. unless the kids are half-Asian. One of my close friends has an Asian spouse and there are plenty of jokes about the stereotypical advantages/disadvantages of both parents' ancestry when it comes to their kids. I don't think it really enters the kids' heads at all, but then again they live in an affluent community that is mostly white with Asian of some variety being the second most populous group.
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  99. Arclight says:
    @Jack D
    This has been tried - e.g. the American Indian boarding schools, and it doesn't work. 1st of all, there is no substitute for the love of a family. No one cares about someone else's kids as much as you care for your own. 2nd, the fraction of blacks with superior IQs is vanishingly small. There are no hidden geniuses in the ghetto.

    My son went to a private school in the Phila suburbs that had a scholarship program for promising ghetto kids (especially ones who were good at sports). Hardly any made it to graduation. One was caught dealing drugs - expelled. One was caught stealing from the other kids and teachers - expelled. One pulled out a knife while waiting for the train to take him back to the city - expelled. And so on. The most horrific was a kid whose father (pretty rare to HAVE a father in the ghetto) decided to kill his whole family and himself. The kid was shot but somehow survived.

    I had a somewhat different experience in high school. After going to public school in a large city I attended a well-regarded private high school that had enough financial aid available so that about half of the kids there got some kind of break on tuition. Admission did require scoring above a certain percentile on the entrance exam and an interview (in addition to recommendations from your previous school and a decent transcript) and we ended up with about 15% of the student body being black, about the same amount Asian, and the rest mostly white. I can’t remember any sort of disciplinary disparity (which was definitely not the case in my public school experience) and overall everyone got along pretty well, with a fair amount of cross-ethnic socializing at parties and whatnot in the last couple of years. However, I think the school was pretty good at identifying kids and families that regardless of background or income were not going to take being at this school for granted, with the exception of some rich white kids from prominent families.

    What I meant by my comment about getting kids away from toxic parents/peers is making sure that decent minority students have a chance to go to schools where they are with people of like ability rather than stuck in chaotic classrooms ruled by low-IQ hard cases. This would mean having a multiple-track school system although today that is frowned upon. Let them stay at school after-hours to work on homework or whatever rather than go back to a crappy home/neighborhood right away.

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  100. Arclight says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke

    It has been my observation that children of a mixed race couple (White & non-white) identify with the race of the non-white parent. Parents who adopt non-white children begin to identify with the race of their children. Anything to escape whiteness!

    Yeah, this does seem to be the case – it’s an advantage for college admissions, employment, etc. unless the kids are half-Asian. One of my close friends has an Asian spouse and there are plenty of jokes about the stereotypical advantages/disadvantages of both parents’ ancestry when it comes to their kids. I don’t think it really enters the kids’ heads at all, but then again they live in an affluent community that is mostly white with Asian of some variety being the second most populous group.

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    I never feel even a scintilla of nervousness when noticing a build-up of Asians where I live (or have lived). I should be clear though and admit that I really mean Japanese - most of the others worry me at least a bit.
    Some years ago I sought out the first house we lived in in Palo Alto - a rental while my parents looked for somewhere bigger.
    I was actually delighted to see the door open and an elegant Japanese lady walk out with her impeccably behaved children.
    I predict that they will join us soon enough, once their children too start getting randomly murdered by the black hordes.
    The house, by the way, which I imagine we rented for two or three hundred a month (admittedly I'm talking of 1955), is now estimated by Zillow at over three million. It looks the same, as does the street, in that way which only Palo Alto seems to have managed.
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  101. gunner29 says:

    3.7 grades behind???

    I would have guessed 1.5 to maybe 2 grades. This would be someplace like Seattle with an average population. I know from earlier SS posts that college towns are much worse.

    But almost 4 grades behind is mindblowing. Does this mean 12 year old white and asian kids are at the 6th grade level, and the negro kids are functioning like the third month of third grade? Or somewhere near that?

    The only way to close the gap is remove the negro kids at birth from the “mother” and let white or asian families raise them. Our gobt keeps track of things like negros raised by whites and asians, found out that even a lower middle class white family could raise their negro kids to perform academically at a higher level than even elite negro families that were in the upper class.

    Nature, we’re stuck with, but nurture is something you can do right now.

    I seem to remember reading W.E.B Dubois or some other top 10th percentile negro commenting that it was going to take hundreds of generations to ever catch up to whites. Due to miscegenation, it’s been a lot quicker than that, but still not remotely equal.

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    But almost 4 grades behind is mindblowing. Does this mean 12 year old white and asian kids are at the 6th grade level, and the negro kids are functioning like the third month of third grade?

    No. In Seattle, white 6th graders are 2.2 grades ahead, blacks are 1.5 grades behind. I don't know what Asians are. Hispanics are 0.7 of a grade behind. (LINK)

    The only way to close the gap is remove the negro kids at birth from the “mother” and let white or asian families raise them.

    James Heckman, Nobel Prize winner in economics, has proposed placing low-income children in full-time, high quality daycare from birth/8 weeks old to age five in order to increase their social outcomes and perhaps boost their IQs a few points. The daycare/pre-school would be 9 to 12 hours a day, five days a week, 50 weeks a year.

    I seem to remember reading W.E.B Dubois or some other top 10th percentile negro commenting that it was going to take hundreds of generations to ever catch up to whites.

    Unfortunately, the achievement gap increases as students age. I have seen depressing stats for 8th and 12th graders. For example, in Washington DC, the gap between white and black 6th graders is 4.9 years. Apparently the gap between white and black 8th graders in DC is 6 years.

    DCPS Black Students need six years to reach where DCPS White students stood in 4th grade

    , @Krastos the Gluemaker
    "Grades behind" is a fake statistic based on weird calculations; it's not a particularly valid claim.

    In general academic tests for young children are pretty unreliable but even if a certain assessment produces a reasonable rank-ordering and snapshot of skills it doesn't translate into "grade levels" or something, that's just garbage social science pseudoscience.

    Much better would be if journalists, or even the people releasing the data, because who knows what the public can get it, would just report things in terms of sd on the test scores or something.

    If 3rd graders were actually 3 grade levels behind, that would mean they would barely know the letters of the alphabet like kindergarten children. Likewise, no group of third graders from any general population demographic is actually 3 grades ahead; that would mean they all on average had mastered, say, math skills that sixth graders had. Not that these things can't be true of individuals, but not averaged across thousands, tens of thousands of children in a population.

    What actually happens with these tests for children is that black students might have scored 1.5 or 2 or whatever sd below the white students on a test, which is stupidly claimed to represent "years of learning" or grade levels when it's not.

    Methodological criticisms aside this doesn't have that much relevance to the big picture (also, it is true that by older ages students on average can end up further behind, in raw terms) that "the gap" still exists and sjw reformist types don't have any solutions for it.
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  102. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To most sane people, “equity” means equal opportunity. But to the mindless dogmatic followers of the religion of Liberalism, “equity” means equal outcome. That’s why they can never achieve their definition of “equity”, because people aren’t born with the same level of intelligence and drive just like we aren’t born with the same height.

    Little surprise that the only way they could achieve “equity” aka equal outcome is by mixing in black students into schools with high white/asian enrollment, thereby obscuring their results by averaging them out. Hence the endless cry of “segregation”. Even poor whites score higher than upper middle class blacks in the SAT.

    But this insidious quest for equal outcome has invaded all levels of education. Last year I attended a conference for gifted education, the “keynote speaker” spent practically her entire talk on “equity” in gifted ed, and outlined a conference schedule where 75% of the classes are devoted to the same topic, i.e. how to get more “minority” kids into the gifted program, this despite at least 2/3 of the room consisting of Asian parents and the remainder Eastern European. White native English speaking parents were no more than 5% of the crowd. You wonder who the real “minorities” are these days.

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  103. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @al-Gharaniq
    Why is it only white people (or "non-white but still Caucasian" immigrants) who care about closing the "racial gap" in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun's white peers do better in school than he does.

    Why is it only white people (or “non-white but still Caucasian” immigrants) who care about closing the “racial gap” in schools? You never see Lashawnda or Shanayqua lamenting that poor little DeShaun’s white peers do better in school than he does.

    LOL of course not. DeShaun and his pals are too busy beating up black kids who do well in school for “acting white”. Heck I think they even beat up kids who wear glasses, for trying to look white(smart).

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  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato
    Actually, it's Steve who interjects West Virginia as an example where "the numbers are correct but the situation is dire"

    From the Seattke Times:


    On a sunny Friday in October, students across Seattle had the day off, but in the cafeteria at Chief Sealth High, about 250 teachers spent the morning clustered around small tables littered with empty coffee cups, poster boards and markers.

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.

    “This is something that I have wanted to do for some time,” Nyland told teachers at the end of the day, adding that the district had few examples to follow. “We are learning from each other. No one knows how to do this.”
     

    "No-one knows how to do this" might be something someone might say when a project for an exascale highly parallel computer is kicked off. But ... it's fracking education. Which has been going on for some time now. No-one? REALLY?

    They were members of the racial-equity teams at a few dozen schools, gathered for a day of guest speakers and brainstorming sessions about how to disrupt racial inequity and introduce lessons on that subject to fellow staff and parents.

    Aha! The kill quote! They’re going to be ‘introducing lessons’ to parents as well.

    Now we’re gettin’ somewheres!

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  105. @Arclight
    Yeah, this does seem to be the case - it's an advantage for college admissions, employment, etc. unless the kids are half-Asian. One of my close friends has an Asian spouse and there are plenty of jokes about the stereotypical advantages/disadvantages of both parents' ancestry when it comes to their kids. I don't think it really enters the kids' heads at all, but then again they live in an affluent community that is mostly white with Asian of some variety being the second most populous group.

    I never feel even a scintilla of nervousness when noticing a build-up of Asians where I live (or have lived). I should be clear though and admit that I really mean Japanese – most of the others worry me at least a bit.
    Some years ago I sought out the first house we lived in in Palo Alto – a rental while my parents looked for somewhere bigger.
    I was actually delighted to see the door open and an elegant Japanese lady walk out with her impeccably behaved children.
    I predict that they will join us soon enough, once their children too start getting randomly murdered by the black hordes.
    The house, by the way, which I imagine we rented for two or three hundred a month (admittedly I’m talking of 1955), is now estimated by Zillow at over three million. It looks the same, as does the street, in that way which only Palo Alto seems to have managed.

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  106. Thomas says:
    @Arclight
    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life. They get to sound super tolerant without the downside of significantly higher crime rates, trashier neighborhoods, crappier schools and so on.

    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life.

    It’s the same reason Norway and other Scandinavian countries are successfully socialist (so far), and California has produced some of the least cucked conservatives. Proximity to diversity teaches you a lot.

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    Very true. Getting to see how the people your taxes support actually live - and how little gratitude they have for the financial sacrifices their fellow citizens make - will usually open your eyes. It's one thing to have to toss money into the government's coffers with the expectation that most of the people who it will go to are like yourself and are making some kind of effort to become self-sufficient out of a sense of shame or obligation, another thing entirely when the recipients treat the entire world as a wastebasket and have no intention of ever having to actually live or work like an average person.

    Our social welfare system teeters on because the money to fund it comes out of your paycheck without ever passing through your hands and goes to purposes you can only guess at, so you can imagine some single mom with a heart of gold and three minimum wage jobs and going to college at night is getting it. If taxpayers were assigned some low-income household they personally had to sponsor and hand the money over to them directly every pay period, TANF and SNAP would be cut to the bone overnight.
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  107. @Arclight
    I have found in the East Coast and Midwestern cities I have lived in that the most vocal white people about racial issues are those least likely to have ever lived in close proximity to the people who they champion - those that have gone to 'diverse' big city public schools or lived in a minority neighborhood where they are heavily outnumbered have a different perspective, even if still on the left on most issues. Also, any white people I know who adopted a black child suddenly get super woke - any conversation about the police, Obama or whatever starts with them saying something like "as the parent of a black child" like it's some kind of trump card that invalidates anyone else's opinion or experience.

    On a related note, the most vocal black or latino people I have encountered on racial stuff tend to be people whose jobs rely on it - those with degrees whose title ends in "studies", who work for "community development" organizations that are basically fronts for the local Democratic machine, or artists. The average black or latino person usually seems pretty apolitical except when it's voting day.

    A ton of truth in what you’re saying there brother Arclight. I’ve not lived in the places you refer to but have had a lot of exposure through travels and international trade shows to a very diverse assortment of people. ( I can’t believe that I’m employing the term “diverse” in this forum sans derisive sarcasm)

    White people in the metro St. Louis orb always (since early 1990s) seemed to have been far more woke than the Whites in some real backwater Carolinas and Georgia areas I’ve spent time in.

    The goofiest people on race that I have run across seem to be Minnesotans but that was pre-Minnegadishu days. No recent contact with any Keillors though, so I don’t know if that situation has evolved.

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    I have friends and family in MN - almost all political liberals, none of whom like the Somalis...but also too nice to insist that their pleasant metro area cease to be a dumping ground for people who contribute almost nothing to the tax base or have any real interest in assimilating.
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  108. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Libtards are making lots of noise about the “Achievement Gap” to obscure what they are really doing in our schools — the increasingly blatant indoctrination of our kids. It’s amazing what they are doing in our schools with the completely one sided curriculum, including AP curriculum. There is no objectivity whatsoever.

    History from middle school on should just be renamed “Grievance Studies”. My kids are constantly being told that racism and sexism exist and are the only reasons why blacks and women aren’t doing as well as white males. No one is allowed to say “I don’t see race” or “I don’t care about race”, they are told we are now in a “post race blind” world. Our HS Health now includes a WA state mandated discussion on sexual orientation and gender identity, where kids are encouraged to “explore” their sexuality and gender identity and to not conform to society’s expectations. Kids are no longer even standing up for the pledge of allegiance and national anthem, and the teachers do not make them.

    Last year a mom in one of the local schools launched a protest when she found her son bringing home Manga comics from his HS library and a teacher’s library with lewd graphics of people having sex, and the school librarian refused to take the books out of circulation claiming “censorship”.

    It’s simply unreal what is happening in our schools. Libtards have completely gone off the deep end not just in our colleges but in K-12, and they are taking all our kids down with them. Parents are afraid to protest because they know the teachers and counselors control their kids’ grades and recommendations for colleges. Education is now for the braindead.

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    Well, I noticed that there is a shift in once Republican areas that have high income like Orange County Ca and Fort Bend Texas. Is it that once you have the bucks then you eventually become democratic. Think of what happen in Virginia. There was some article about Republican Politicians like Eric Cantor supporting immigrants on work visas. Is that that white upper middle class feel guilty about blacks or Latinos and want them to be compensated.
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  109. @Achmed E. Newman
    Ron, there is no [AMEN] button. What the hell, man?

    That’s what the agree button is for.

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    The AGREE button makes up a tweet or something. I just didn't want to have anything to do with all that.

    I just usually write. I was being facetious about an AMEN button, but I DID mean it in response to Jake.
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  110. Arclight says:
    @Thomas

    I suspect a huge part of the progressivism of Seattle and Portland is that they are chock full of Whole Foods/REI types for whom virtue-signalling about racial matters costs them very little in terms of quality of life.
     
    It’s the same reason Norway and other Scandinavian countries are successfully socialist (so far), and California has produced some of the least cucked conservatives. Proximity to diversity teaches you a lot.

    Very true. Getting to see how the people your taxes support actually live – and how little gratitude they have for the financial sacrifices their fellow citizens make – will usually open your eyes. It’s one thing to have to toss money into the government’s coffers with the expectation that most of the people who it will go to are like yourself and are making some kind of effort to become self-sufficient out of a sense of shame or obligation, another thing entirely when the recipients treat the entire world as a wastebasket and have no intention of ever having to actually live or work like an average person.

    Our social welfare system teeters on because the money to fund it comes out of your paycheck without ever passing through your hands and goes to purposes you can only guess at, so you can imagine some single mom with a heart of gold and three minimum wage jobs and going to college at night is getting it. If taxpayers were assigned some low-income household they personally had to sponsor and hand the money over to them directly every pay period, TANF and SNAP would be cut to the bone overnight.

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  111. Arclight says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    A ton of truth in what you're saying there brother Arclight. I've not lived in the places you refer to but have had a lot of exposure through travels and international trade shows to a very diverse assortment of people. ( I can't believe that I'm employing the term "diverse" in this forum sans derisive sarcasm)

    White people in the metro St. Louis orb always (since early 1990s) seemed to have been far more woke than the Whites in some real backwater Carolinas and Georgia areas I've spent time in.

    The goofiest people on race that I have run across seem to be Minnesotans but that was pre-Minnegadishu days. No recent contact with any Keillors though, so I don't know if that situation has evolved.

    I have friends and family in MN – almost all political liberals, none of whom like the Somalis…but also too nice to insist that their pleasant metro area cease to be a dumping ground for people who contribute almost nothing to the tax base or have any real interest in assimilating.

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  112. “Far be it from me to challenge your obvious omniscience, particularly regarding children who are supposedly smart versus teachers who are obviously brilliant because CREDENTIALS as well as being immune from normal human failings like envy or resentment, but you’re full of excrement.”

    I never said teachers were brilliant. Merely not so slackjawed that they would seek to dumb down the curriculum so that they’d understand it.

    And you’re not that smart, or you’d have had the reading ability to understand.

    It’s simply untrue that teachers enjoy harassing kids who are smarter than they are, not to the level that one reads about the bitter geniuses suffering said torture. Simply put, it’s unlikely any teacher despised you. But if they did, it wasn’t due to your great intellect.

    On Asians:

    My bad in saying Asian majority cities when I meant areas with major Asian populations (but not a majority). But your analysis is simply wrong. There’s a well documented pattern of wealthy white parents bitching at and ultimately leaving schools dominated by Asian immigrants because of the cheating, grade obsession, and largely soulless interest in anything to do with learning.

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    @112 education realist: "NATALT and you're a stoopid poopyhead!"

    My point stands.
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  113. Anonymous 108 is kind of deluded. It would be great if schools were that good at indoctrinating kids, because maybe then they’d learn something.

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    My daughter goes to a private school, so it’s not on point, but...I won’t say indoctrination, but an extremely high degree of progressivism (on gender and race, not on economic issues) is the sea she swims in. There is a big “allies” poster (to LGBT people, not about World War II of course). The girls (it’s a single-sex school) seems to take to it. I was a bit alarmed when several of them went to an administrator because they thought the history teacher was being excessively critical of Islam.
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  114. @ScarletNumber
    That's what the agree button is for.

    The AGREE button makes up a tweet or something. I just didn’t want to have anything to do with all that.

    I just usually write. I was being facetious about an AMEN button, but I DID mean it in response to Jake.

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    , @ScarletNumber
    No, the AGREE button has nothing to do with Twitter.
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  115. Tinidril says:
    @jimbojones
    I'm in Seattle in the tech industry. The cultural homogeneity resembles that of a cult. Republicans are considered akin to child molesters. Conversations about Trump resemble five minutes of hate.

    The sanctimonious hypocrisy is stupendous. Everybody is for BLM, refugees and illegal immigrants, but everyone who can afford to lives on an island, and none want blacks, refugees or illegals in their children's schools. I suspect they reflexively favor the immigration lottery - even though they scrupulously scrutinize whom they hire or befriend. They grumbled when the Republicans lowered the taxes, but one of the drawing points about Washington state is no state taxes. They murmur about women and inequality - but engineering teams are overwhelmingly male. They lament the plight of various unfortunates - and then go on vacation in Hawaii. Speaking of which, I suspect they resent the shithole comment - even though they'd never even fly over Haiti or Africa, let alone vacation there with their families.

    They have the political sophistication of twelve year olds. At the same time, the success of the tech industry - for which they may feel vaguely guilty, like lottery winners - largely insulates them from the effect of the policies they espouse. Case in point - BLM. Blacks are actually leaving California, NY and Seattle. And they are going to places like St. Louis. So BLM riots happen in Ferguson but not in Palo Alto or on Mercer Island.

    As long as you can keep them away from political topics, they are great. Fine Americans, by and large. Most of the ones around me are overwhelmingly pro-gun. I think that given the right circumstances, many of them would flip and vote Republican. The media does a lot of damage, though. For all their conceit, most people in the tech industry are intellectual lightweights and reflexively regurgitate CNN.

    It is funny their intellectual pride. They feel so smugly superior but all of them just passively soaked up their liberal college indoctrination to the point they resemble a statist mindless cult and all think EXACTLY the same. It is beyond absurd how mediocre our supposed “elites” are today.

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    Yes, remember that it's the internet that's an echo chamber, so legislatures merely have to pass new laws combatting hate speech, online bullying, and forcing establishmentarian stories into your news feed.
    , @Desiderius

    It is beyond absurd how mediocre our supposed “elites” are today.
     
    And they got that way - both mediocre and arrogant about it - because they were uprooted from the communities that raised them at an age when they most needed to build on those community ties, not to mention having the opportunity to see their peers who may have earlier trailed them in abstract reasoning capacity (but not concrete!) or rate of maturation become productive, mature citizens in their own right during those years those elites (sic) were marinating in the madness that passes for a liberal arts education at the leading (sic) universities.
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  116. Bubba says:
    @PSR
    Well that's a very hopeful scenario. And just whom is going to deliver the little inner city scholars breakfasts and lunches?

    Thugs in BLM and the NFL players union.

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    It is funny their intellectual pride. They feel so smugly superior but all of them just passively soaked up their liberal college indoctrination to the point they resemble a statist mindless cult and all think EXACTLY the same. It is beyond absurd how mediocre our supposed "elites" are today.

    Yes, remember that it’s the internet that’s an echo chamber, so legislatures merely have to pass new laws combatting hate speech, online bullying, and forcing establishmentarian stories into your news feed.

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  118. @gunner29
    3.7 grades behind???

    I would have guessed 1.5 to maybe 2 grades. This would be someplace like Seattle with an average population. I know from earlier SS posts that college towns are much worse.

    But almost 4 grades behind is mindblowing. Does this mean 12 year old white and asian kids are at the 6th grade level, and the negro kids are functioning like the third month of third grade? Or somewhere near that?

    The only way to close the gap is remove the negro kids at birth from the "mother" and let white or asian families raise them. Our gobt keeps track of things like negros raised by whites and asians, found out that even a lower middle class white family could raise their negro kids to perform academically at a higher level than even elite negro families that were in the upper class.

    Nature, we're stuck with, but nurture is something you can do right now.

    I seem to remember reading W.E.B Dubois or some other top 10th percentile negro commenting that it was going to take hundreds of generations to ever catch up to whites. Due to miscegenation, it's been a lot quicker than that, but still not remotely equal.

    But almost 4 grades behind is mindblowing. Does this mean 12 year old white and asian kids are at the 6th grade level, and the negro kids are functioning like the third month of third grade?

    No. In Seattle, white 6th graders are 2.2 grades ahead, blacks are 1.5 grades behind. I don’t know what Asians are. Hispanics are 0.7 of a grade behind. (LINK)

    The only way to close the gap is remove the negro kids at birth from the “mother” and let white or asian families raise them.

    James Heckman, Nobel Prize winner in economics, has proposed placing low-income children in full-time, high quality daycare from birth/8 weeks old to age five in order to increase their social outcomes and perhaps boost their IQs a few points. The daycare/pre-school would be 9 to 12 hours a day, five days a week, 50 weeks a year.

    I seem to remember reading W.E.B Dubois or some other top 10th percentile negro commenting that it was going to take hundreds of generations to ever catch up to whites.

    Unfortunately, the achievement gap increases as students age. I have seen depressing stats for 8th and 12th graders. For example, in Washington DC, the gap between white and black 6th graders is 4.9 years. Apparently the gap between white and black 8th graders in DC is 6 years.

    DCPS Black Students need six years to reach where DCPS White students stood in 4th grade

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  119. @gunner29
    3.7 grades behind???

    I would have guessed 1.5 to maybe 2 grades. This would be someplace like Seattle with an average population. I know from earlier SS posts that college towns are much worse.

    But almost 4 grades behind is mindblowing. Does this mean 12 year old white and asian kids are at the 6th grade level, and the negro kids are functioning like the third month of third grade? Or somewhere near that?

    The only way to close the gap is remove the negro kids at birth from the "mother" and let white or asian families raise them. Our gobt keeps track of things like negros raised by whites and asians, found out that even a lower middle class white family could raise their negro kids to perform academically at a higher level than even elite negro families that were in the upper class.

    Nature, we're stuck with, but nurture is something you can do right now.

    I seem to remember reading W.E.B Dubois or some other top 10th percentile negro commenting that it was going to take hundreds of generations to ever catch up to whites. Due to miscegenation, it's been a lot quicker than that, but still not remotely equal.

    “Grades behind” is a fake statistic based on weird calculations; it’s not a particularly valid claim.

    In general academic tests for young children are pretty unreliable but even if a certain assessment produces a reasonable rank-ordering and snapshot of skills it doesn’t translate into “grade levels” or something, that’s just garbage social science pseudoscience.

    Much better would be if journalists, or even the people releasing the data, because who knows what the public can get it, would just report things in terms of sd on the test scores or something.

    If 3rd graders were actually 3 grade levels behind, that would mean they would barely know the letters of the alphabet like kindergarten children. Likewise, no group of third graders from any general population demographic is actually 3 grades ahead; that would mean they all on average had mastered, say, math skills that sixth graders had. Not that these things can’t be true of individuals, but not averaged across thousands, tens of thousands of children in a population.

    What actually happens with these tests for children is that black students might have scored 1.5 or 2 or whatever sd below the white students on a test, which is stupidly claimed to represent “years of learning” or grade levels when it’s not.

    Methodological criticisms aside this doesn’t have that much relevance to the big picture (also, it is true that by older ages students on average can end up further behind, in raw terms) that “the gap” still exists and sjw reformist types don’t have any solutions for it.

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  120. jill says:

    The Bonfire of the Black Public Intellectual Vanities: Economist Glenn Loury on Ta Nehisi Coates and Cornell West
    [20:50] … I’m talking about 65 or 70 percent of kids born to unmarried women. You can’t tell me that that doesn’t matter. It matters. There could be many explanations for it, but don’t try to ignore that fact. Development, the test scores? This whole edifice that we’d built of Diversity and Inclusion, it’s founded on a lie, John. Because the issue is performance and the Asians have demonstrated that. The facts are so palpable that it amazes me that people can’t look at them. The Asians have demonstrated — these are people who are second generation descendants; people were born 10,000 miles from here — it [the USA] is an open society. African-American under-representation is a reflection of African-American under-development. Now, we can go into the historical reasons for that. If the issue is who is to blame … plenty enough blame to go around. But the fundamental imperative is to enhance the development and that won’t happen unless you acknowledge the absence of it. The test scores reflect an inadequate acquisition of functional and cognitive capacities essential to functioning in the modern world and the gaps are enormous etcetera…

    Now Loury gets really worked up:
    [23:50] … the Afro Studies hustle … the avoidance of the necessity of failure against standards in order for the standards to be meaningful and for the kind of disciplines and capacities that constitute excellence to be honed and developed. It’s a shell game. It’s a lie, ok. That’s what I’m saying. Just say that the jails are full of black people means that the criminal justice system is racist and to leave it at that when the bodies pile up in Chicago and elsewhere. To talk about Diversity / Inclusion is the way of legitimating and institutionalizing a deferential and racist withholding of judgment from African-American people to perform at the level of excellence at a place like MIT or Caltech or Brown or Columbia or Yale requires. I mean, I’m really really angry about this because people are being dishonest about this in the interest of a Coon Show, John, a Coon Show — that’s what we’re talking about …

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-bonfire-of-black-public.html

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  121. @Jake
    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution, but it also underscores why the Left - even the most nicey-nice, old fashioned, good-hearted Liberal - is always and at all times utterly Totalitarian at heart. The only way to bring any of their Dreams to fruition is to have total power over people's money and movements and even thoughts, and to use that power to destroy families and communities, so they can be remade in the most recent Leftist image.

    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution

    But it’s not true.

    The Ashkenazi didn’t get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy, they did it by making sure the smartest boys had the highest status, and thus marriage prospects within the shtetl itself.

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    The Ashkenazi didn’t get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy

     

    Well, the Ashkenazi left the land of Eretz Yisrael to sojourn for milennia amongst the goy in Germania, picking up almost half their DNA from them.
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  122. @PSR
    Well that's a very hopeful scenario. And just whom is going to deliver the little inner city scholars breakfasts and lunches?

    The children would still go to a school building to learn online. However, their classroom would look like a call center. (LINK) Only the most motivated and higher functioning are capable of learning online at home.

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    Who's going to stop them from throwing spitballs or Ninja stars over the cubicle walls?
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  123. @Tinidril
    It is funny their intellectual pride. They feel so smugly superior but all of them just passively soaked up their liberal college indoctrination to the point they resemble a statist mindless cult and all think EXACTLY the same. It is beyond absurd how mediocre our supposed "elites" are today.

    It is beyond absurd how mediocre our supposed “elites” are today.

    And they got that way – both mediocre and arrogant about it – because they were uprooted from the communities that raised them at an age when they most needed to build on those community ties, not to mention having the opportunity to see their peers who may have earlier trailed them in abstract reasoning capacity (but not concrete!) or rate of maturation become productive, mature citizens in their own right during those years those elites (sic) were marinating in the madness that passes for a liberal arts education at the leading (sic) universities.

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  124. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Black IQ is low because people are unwittingly mating and procreating with their close kins since so many don’t know who their daddy is.

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  125. @Buffalo Joe
    Niagara, years ago Toronto funded an Afro Centric school. How did that turn out?

    Thanks for ‘axing’, Buffalo Joe. Hahaha…only a tiny number of black families thought it was a good idea. So much for cultural relevance.

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  126. @Rosamond Vincy
    Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up.

    In some cities, such as Philly, parents--even African Baptist or A.M.E.--tried to get around this by sending their kids to parochial schools, partly for safety reasons, but also so they could get teachers who majored in academic subjects such as Math or English rather than Math Education or Language Arts Education. This has been going on for decades.

    In NY, the Board of Regents tried to get around the get-around by requiring private school instructors to take a certain number of credit-hours in Education, where the Education Majors can do their best to sabotage Arts and Science Majors who show their contempt too openly. (It's a habit they got into when sabotaging smart kids, and old habits die hard.)

    Thanks, Rosamond. In Toronto, more parents will mortgage their houses so they can send their kids to private schools.

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  127. It’s almost as if there was some utterly simple, completely obvious, yet horribly, terribly unspeakable explanation for this situation. The numbers have stayed the same for generations. There must be something so completely obvious that no one can see it.
    Ive got it!!! It’s racism!!!!!

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  128. 3g4me says:
    @education realist
    "Far be it from me to challenge your obvious omniscience, particularly regarding children who are supposedly smart versus teachers who are obviously brilliant because CREDENTIALS as well as being immune from normal human failings like envy or resentment, but you’re full of excrement."

    I never said teachers were brilliant. Merely not so slackjawed that they would seek to dumb down the curriculum so that they'd understand it.

    And you're not that smart, or you'd have had the reading ability to understand.

    It's simply untrue that teachers enjoy harassing kids who are smarter than they are, not to the level that one reads about the bitter geniuses suffering said torture. Simply put, it's unlikely any teacher despised you. But if they did, it wasn't due to your great intellect.

    On Asians:

    My bad in saying Asian majority cities when I meant areas with major Asian populations (but not a majority). But your analysis is simply wrong. There's a well documented pattern of wealthy white parents bitching at and ultimately leaving schools dominated by Asian immigrants because of the cheating, grade obsession, and largely soulless interest in anything to do with learning.

    @112 education realist: “NATALT and you’re a stoopid poopyhead!”

    My point stands.

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  129. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/9996/9996-h/9996-h.htm

    From Project Gutenburg, ‘Tis Sixty Years Since, Charles Francis Adams, 1913:

    “…As I have already said, the universal “melting-pot” theory in vogue in my youth was that but seven, or at the most fourteen, years were required to convert the alien immigrant–no matter from what region or of what descent–into an American citizen. The educational influences and social environment were assumed to be not only subtle, but all-pervasive and powerful. That this theory was to a large and even dangerous extent erroneous the observation of the last fifty years has proved, and our Massachusetts experience is sadly demonstrating to-day. It was Oliver Wendell Holmes, who, years ago, when asked by an anxious mother at what age the education of a child ought to begin, remarked in reply that it should begin about one hundred and fifty years before the child is born.

    So far from seven or fourteen years making an American citizen, fully and thoroughly impregnated with American ideals to the exclusion of all others, our experience is that it requires at least three generations to eliminate what may be termed the “hyphen” in citizenship. Not in the first, nor in the second, and hardly in the third, generation, does the immigrant cease to be an Irish-American, or a French-American… Nevertheless… those of the Caucasian race do and will become Americans…

    Not so the Ethiopian. In his case, we find ourselves confronted with a situation never contemplated in that era of political dreams and scriptural science in which our institutions received shape. Stated tersely and in plain language, so far as the African is concerned–the cause and, so to speak, the motive of the great struggle of 1861 to 1865–we recognize the presence in the body politic of a vast alien mass which does not assimilate and which cannot be absorbed. In other words, the melting-pot theory came in sharp contact with an ethnological fact, and the unexpected occurred. The problem of African servitude was solved after a fashion; but in place of it a race issue of most uncompromising character evolved itself.”

    From 1913, but sounds like it could have been written yesterday. But ain’t nobody ever larns nothing.

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  130. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “If this box is ever opened,” his letter reads, “I would assume the problems we face today in understanding the racial differences will have been resolved. Personally, I trust this will happen.”

    Ha! Sucks to be you, nerd!

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  131. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The AGREE button makes up a tweet or something. I just didn't want to have anything to do with all that.

    I just usually write. I was being facetious about an AMEN button, but I DID mean it in response to Jake.

    • Amen: MEH 0910

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  132. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Education Majors hate smart kids, regardless of color. They like dumbing down the curriculum, because then the Education Majors can keep up.

    In some cities, such as Philly, parents--even African Baptist or A.M.E.--tried to get around this by sending their kids to parochial schools, partly for safety reasons, but also so they could get teachers who majored in academic subjects such as Math or English rather than Math Education or Language Arts Education. This has been going on for decades.

    In NY, the Board of Regents tried to get around the get-around by requiring private school instructors to take a certain number of credit-hours in Education, where the Education Majors can do their best to sabotage Arts and Science Majors who show their contempt too openly. (It's a habit they got into when sabotaging smart kids, and old habits die hard.)

    I have personally experienced this and it really screwed me up. John Taylor Gatto’s Underground History of American Public Education goes into deep historical detail as to why this is so besides envy. tldr you can’t run a factory or an office floor full of brilliant self-interested individuals.

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  133. @anonymous
    Libtards are making lots of noise about the "Achievement Gap" to obscure what they are really doing in our schools -- the increasingly blatant indoctrination of our kids. It's amazing what they are doing in our schools with the completely one sided curriculum, including AP curriculum. There is no objectivity whatsoever.

    History from middle school on should just be renamed "Grievance Studies". My kids are constantly being told that racism and sexism exist and are the only reasons why blacks and women aren't doing as well as white males. No one is allowed to say "I don't see race" or "I don't care about race", they are told we are now in a "post race blind" world. Our HS Health now includes a WA state mandated discussion on sexual orientation and gender identity, where kids are encouraged to "explore" their sexuality and gender identity and to not conform to society's expectations. Kids are no longer even standing up for the pledge of allegiance and national anthem, and the teachers do not make them.

    Last year a mom in one of the local schools launched a protest when she found her son bringing home Manga comics from his HS library and a teacher's library with lewd graphics of people having sex, and the school librarian refused to take the books out of circulation claiming "censorship".

    It's simply unreal what is happening in our schools. Libtards have completely gone off the deep end not just in our colleges but in K-12, and they are taking all our kids down with them. Parents are afraid to protest because they know the teachers and counselors control their kids' grades and recommendations for colleges. Education is now for the braindead.

    Well, I noticed that there is a shift in once Republican areas that have high income like Orange County Ca and Fort Bend Texas. Is it that once you have the bucks then you eventually become democratic. Think of what happen in Virginia. There was some article about Republican Politicians like Eric Cantor supporting immigrants on work visas. Is that that white upper middle class feel guilty about blacks or Latinos and want them to be compensated.

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  134. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kentucky/articles/2017-12-15/battery-maker-plans-kentucky-plant-to-employ-hundreds Actually, things are not as bad in Kentucky or West Virginia some factories are going there. Actually, if they had oil production like New Mexico then they might do better. Oil jobs are growing faster than coal jobs. New Mexico which is the 3rd poorest state is now 3rd in oil production

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    Not so much oil, but West Virginia has significant natural gas extraction activity, thanks to horizontal drilling and fracking in the Marcellus shale play.

    The New Mexico oil production you reference is due to the same factors. Ten years ago much of the activity centered around the production of natural gas from coal bed formations in the northwest corner of the state. Today the emphasis is on oil production from non-conventional shale formations in the southeast corner of the state. The Permian Basin activity that has half of the drilling rigs working in the US operating in the Midland, TX vicinity doesn’t stop at the state line.
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  135. @pyrrhus
    Wouldn't it be interesting to find out what some of those "promising approaches" are thought to be?
    Brown vs. Board of Education has proved to be a complete disaster....
    The USA, a formerly First World country with a tenth-rate, but politically correct, system of public education...

    Brown vs. Board of Education has proved to be a complete disaster….

    But it’s too vibrant to fail.

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  136. Alden says:
    @El Dato

    “There’s been a lot of starts and stops,” said Gerald Donaldson, a family-support worker at Leschi Elementary. “Every 10 years we get a new program, but this actually may work.”

    [...]

    He’s also buoyed by new support from the city, churches and community groups, saying he hasn’t seen this kind of community buy-in for 30 years.

    When asked what they’ve done in addition to the school equity teams, senior leaders point to:

    • A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.
    • A focus on equity in training for new principals.
    • A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.
    • New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.
    • Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.
     
    I admire the persistence at rearranging chairs on decks. Apparently the time that can be diverted from actual teaching activities is infinite. It's like Equity Quantitative Easing.

    Family support worker???????????

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  137. Alden says:
    @Bubba
    One would think that most K-12 education (and even most colleges) would be online by now and costing far less per pupil than the current outrageous costs. Students could repeat lectures & drills going at their own pace and perhaps do much better on tests until the gap is lowered (but it will never be equal). However I guess that would be called "racist" by the teachers' unions who control the Democratic Party.

    What makes you think the black kids parents would make sure they got online every day?

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    I could care less - all I want is the vastly over-bloated education system to be cut drastically. Most inner city schools are daycare centers instead of schools.
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  138. @Joe Stalin
    They advertised them on television! I recall the Mattel Shootin Shells which were cartridges that had spring in them that propelled a plastic bullet out the barrel of your revolver.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9ojNddiSI
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  139. @Triumph104
    The children would still go to a school building to learn online. However, their classroom would look like a call center. (LINK) Only the most motivated and higher functioning are capable of learning online at home.

    Who’s going to stop them from throwing spitballs or Ninja stars over the cubicle walls?

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    Watch the video instead of making idiotic comments.
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  140. @MEH 0910
    • Amen: MEH 0910

    Thank you MEH.

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  141. @Bubba
    One would think that most K-12 education (and even most colleges) would be online by now and costing far less per pupil than the current outrageous costs. Students could repeat lectures & drills going at their own pace and perhaps do much better on tests until the gap is lowered (but it will never be equal). However I guess that would be called "racist" by the teachers' unions who control the Democratic Party.

    However I guess that would be called “racist” by the teachers’ unions who control the Democratic Party.

    Teachers’ unions contribute a huge amount of money to the Ds, but they also provides a lot of the GOTV manpower on Election Day. Blowing up union shops like Scott Walker did in Wisconsin would be a good thing.

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    Heck yeah! I was a huge Scott Walker fan when he stood up to the corrupt teachers union and won. Can you imagine if he followed through and also spoke out against illegal immigration like Trump ? He would have won the nomination and crushed Hillary. Instead, Gov. Walker took marching orders from The WSJ editorial page and lost bigly.
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  142. @Desiderius

    Your second paragraph tells a general truth about the only possible solution
     
    But it's not true.

    The Ashkenazi didn't get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy, they did it by making sure the smartest boys had the highest status, and thus marriage prospects within the shtetl itself.

    The Ashkenazi didn’t get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy

    Well, the Ashkenazi left the land of Eretz Yisrael to sojourn for milennia amongst the goy in Germania, picking up almost half their DNA from them.

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    Your comment contains a redundancy, since Eretz means “land.” Since you wrote “the land” it would be proper to add the definite article to Eretz, yielding “left Haeretz Yisrael.”
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  143. @Sunbeam
    "You forget–Asians drive out whites. Look at any majority Asian population city or metropolitan area and you won’t find a happy coexistence of 50-50 whites and Asians. "

    Do they drive them out? Or do the whites leave because junior whines about how much ass the school sucks, even if he isn't getting beaten up for his lunch money?

    Kind of a flippant statement, but what I'm driving at, is do the kids get pushed - or they find that they just don't like living in an environment where Asians set the rules?

    Either could be possible; I can easily imagine Hasidic Jews trying to get rid of Goyim in a school district they had taken over, so why not Asians?

    But my take is most Asians would probably shrug at having white kids in a school their children were attending. It's the kids and their parents who make the move.

    I can easily imagine Hasidic Jews trying to get rid of Goyim in a school district they had taken over

    You don’t have to imagine it–they’ve done it, for example, in East Ramapo, NY.

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority

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  144. @Keypusher
    This is actually a slightly subversive article — there’s the observation that the gap is universal, as Steve pointed out, and also the article notes that the district is just recycling— trying to reduce the discipline gap was a big priority in 1986, just like now, for example. There was a census of race/ethnicity in 1957 — of course a serious article would have reported the results and compared them with the current figures, but oh well.

    Here are the latest panaceas:

    1. A reorganization of the district’s race and equity department.

    2. A focus on equity in training for new principals.

    3. A moratorium on out-of-school suspensions for elementary students, a practice that had dramatically skewed against students of color.

    4. New efforts to increase teacher and administrative diversity.

    5. Plans to teach ethnic studies in every school.

    One and two are useless, three is probably harmful, four might help a little (though I would guess they’re trying pretty hard already), five will presumably diminish the quality of education slightly, since the content will be nonsense, but it might shrink gaps a little, since racial gaps in ethnic studies are probably smaller than in whatever it will replace.

    So, could be worse, I guess.

    One thing I didn’t get — advocates were upset because the district didn’t agree to hire clerks for every class. What’s a clerk in this context? And how is he supposed to help?

    since racial gaps in ethnic studies are probably smaller than in whatever it will replace

    I don’t know…I picture the AP Black Studies classes full of whites and Asians.

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  145. Eagle Eye says:
    @tsotha
    "Equity" is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.

    “Equity” is one of those slippery words progressive academics use to mean whatever they want it to mean.

    Precisely. To the hasty and the uneducated (95% of Americans), it seems like a variant of “equality.” And who would be opposed to equality?

    Once the camel’s nose is in the tent, there is no end to the claims made in the name of “equity.”

    Not coincidentally, this slippery term was also appropriated by the communists and fellow travelers who set up the “Actors Equity Association,” i.e. the actors’ union.

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  146. @Rosamond Vincy
    Who's going to stop them from throwing spitballs or Ninja stars over the cubicle walls?

    Watch the video instead of making idiotic comments.

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    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea minima culpa.
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  147. @Triumph104
    Watch the video instead of making idiotic comments.

    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea minima culpa.

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  148. @ic1000
    > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    New readers may not be aware of Steve's penchant foe irony.

    "Education Lab is a Seattle Times project that spotlights promising approaches to persistent challenges in public education. It... is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."

    The USA, the First World country run by third-rate elites.

    ref: > It’s too bad Seattle doesn’t have any philanthropic billionaires to solve this problem.

    Strictly speaking, that’s not irony (and it’s certainly not sarcasm). It’s hyperbole!

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  149. @Achmed E. Newman
    The AGREE button makes up a tweet or something. I just didn't want to have anything to do with all that.

    I just usually write. I was being facetious about an AMEN button, but I DID mean it in response to Jake.

    No, the AGREE button has nothing to do with Twitter.

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    Yes, the button leads to a text box for tweeting if you have not checked the "Remember My Information" box, and I have a privacy reason for not doing so - not my computer. You probably don't see it. I don't feel like linking to a screenshot right now
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  150. Keypusher says:
    @education realist
    Anonymous 108 is kind of deluded. It would be great if schools were that good at indoctrinating kids, because maybe then they'd learn something.

    My daughter goes to a private school, so it’s not on point, but…I won’t say indoctrination, but an extremely high degree of progressivism (on gender and race, not on economic issues) is the sea she swims in. There is a big “allies” poster (to LGBT people, not about World War II of course). The girls (it’s a single-sex school) seems to take to it. I was a bit alarmed when several of them went to an administrator because they thought the history teacher was being excessively critical of Islam.

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  151. Keypusher says:
    @3g4me
    @46 education realist: "And only morons who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are imagine that teachers hated them for being smart. In general, teachers only despise assholes, and even then they’ve got a high tolerance."

    Far be it from me to challenge your obvious omniscience, particularly regarding children who are supposedly smart versus teachers who are obviously brilliant because CREDENTIALS as well as being immune from normal human failings like envy or resentment, but you're full of excrement.

    I dealt with teacher resentment as a smart kid. My son was sabotaged, as an extraordinarily bright 9 year old who loved learning and school, by a teacher who very specifically stated that all children were smart and special and that my son needed to be taken down. I've read hundreds of other comments elsewhere by extremely smart individuals detailing their experiences at the hands of resentful, vituperative, and stupid teachers.

    On the other hand, I can also recount extraordinarily gifted and devoted teachers who shone like beacons in a sea of sludge.

    I can recall personally helping an education major with a paper she wrote, in which I literally numbered sentences and labelled paragraphs to make order out of her written chaos and then fill in the gaps that existed. She got an A and thanked me profusely. I did the same for a fellow English lit major who was a personal friend (at her specific and repeated request) and she never forgave me for being just a bit brighter than she was.

    In sum, DNA matters, as does practice and perseverance, we're all different in our abilities and temperaments, and teachers are neither all brilliant and dedicated nor, as numerous studies show, particularly bright. Whooda thunk it?

    Well, my personal experience is as valid as yours, right? Some of my teachers were upset because they thought I underachieved; some were upset because I read (non-relevant) books in class. I’ll be damned if any of them were bothered because I was bright, though.

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  152. lavoisier says: • Website
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    show it to the Vox writers
     
    I think you misunderstand the nature and purpose of those Vox writers.

    The progtard journalist-regular person gap is as inexorable as the black-white one, and for related reasons.

    The progtard journalist-regular person gap is as inexorable as the black-white one, and for related reasons.

    The progtard-journalist to regular thoughtful person IQ gap is much greater than one standard deviation I am afraid.

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  153. Icedoc says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Of course, they mean “equality,” although “equity,” had they bothered to use it correctly, would have been helpful in understanding what is going on here.
     
    No, they mean "equity" and the School Board is using it correctly, whereas Neal Morton is not. Equity means a proportionate amount, a just settlement, a fair distribution. It does not mean absolute equality nor is it a synonym for "value," which is how you are using it. The use of the term equity in financial circles derives from its literal meaning, i.e. a 10% stakeholder in a corporation gets ten percent of the voting rights and ten percent of the dividends, which is his "equitable" due in proportion to the amount of capital he has contributed to the enterprise.

    The School Board very carefully selected its language about equity because it knows that ensuring the equality of students is impossible. The best that any school can do is to ensure that each student will receive all that his talents and efforts deserve to receive from the educational experience. Equity in real life situations is actually inequality, and the board was wise enough to build recognition of this fact directly into its official statements.

    The fact that Neal Morton misunderstands what the Board meant is due to several causes: 1) Like most journalists today, he's a moron who doesn't know the real meaning of the word; 2) He has an unacknowledged and perhaps unconscious presupposition that Black students are no different from their White peers, and hence any difference in educational outcomes between the two groups must be the school's fault; and 3) His job depends on him writing garbage that conforms to the prevailing narrative.

    But in reality the school has completely fulfilled its mandate. It has maintained the equity of educational outcomes by not obscuring their intrinsic inequality. To artificially level the outcomes would be to promote inequity. If equity reveals uncomfortable racial divisions, so much the worse for the equalizers.

    I like your conclusions, but unfortunately they do not find much support in the education bureaucracy. In my opinion, we presently have at least 100% equity among all students, but they do-gooders want something different. So you see the AA/EEOC justification for differing qualification for admission depending on skin color. A form of gross inequity.

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    No, the AGREE button has nothing to do with Twitter.

    Yes, the button leads to a text box for tweeting if you have not checked the “Remember My Information” box, and I have a privacy reason for not doing so – not my computer. You probably don’t see it. I don’t feel like linking to a screenshot right now

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  155. Bubba says:
    @Alden
    What makes you think the black kids parents would make sure they got online every day?

    I could care less – all I want is the vastly over-bloated education system to be cut drastically. Most inner city schools are daycare centers instead of schools.

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    However I guess that would be called “racist” by the teachers’ unions who control the Democratic Party.
     
    Teachers' unions contribute a huge amount of money to the Ds, but they also provides a lot of the GOTV manpower on Election Day. Blowing up union shops like Scott Walker did in Wisconsin would be a good thing.

    Heck yeah! I was a huge Scott Walker fan when he stood up to the corrupt teachers union and won. Can you imagine if he followed through and also spoke out against illegal immigration like Trump ? He would have won the nomination and crushed Hillary. Instead, Gov. Walker took marching orders from The WSJ editorial page and lost bigly.

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  157. FPD72 says:
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    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kentucky/articles/2017-12-15/battery-maker-plans-kentucky-plant-to-employ-hundreds Actually, things are not as bad in Kentucky or West Virginia some factories are going there. Actually, if they had oil production like New Mexico then they might do better. Oil jobs are growing faster than coal jobs. New Mexico which is the 3rd poorest state is now 3rd in oil production

    Not so much oil, but West Virginia has significant natural gas extraction activity, thanks to horizontal drilling and fracking in the Marcellus shale play.

    The New Mexico oil production you reference is due to the same factors. Ten years ago much of the activity centered around the production of natural gas from coal bed formations in the northwest corner of the state. Today the emphasis is on oil production from non-conventional shale formations in the southeast corner of the state. The Permian Basin activity that has half of the drilling rigs working in the US operating in the Midland, TX vicinity doesn’t stop at the state line.

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    The Ashkenazi didn’t get those high IQs by sending their best and brightest off to the tender loving care of the goy

     

    Well, the Ashkenazi left the land of Eretz Yisrael to sojourn for milennia amongst the goy in Germania, picking up almost half their DNA from them.

    Your comment contains a redundancy, since Eretz means “land.” Since you wrote “the land” it would be proper to add the definite article to Eretz, yielding “left Haeretz Yisrael.”

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    Yes, the button leads to a text box for tweeting if you have not checked the "Remember My Information" box, and I have a privacy reason for not doing so - not my computer. You probably don't see it. I don't feel like linking to a screenshot right now

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  160. I seem to recall having once read of a very cheap, simple solution to the achievement gap involving a ballpeen hammer.

    Can anyone help me here?

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