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In Science, Angela Saini’s science denialist book Superior: The Return of Race Science (here’s my review) is criticized for not being politically correct enough and for giving a platform to the racist views of superstar Harvard geneticist David Reich:

Racism in science: the taint that lingers

Robin Nelson

Angela Saini’s book indicts a destructive bias in research, writes Robin G. Nelson.
Robin Nelson, 25 JUNE 2019
Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology at Santa Clara University in California.

In her latest book, Superior, Angela Saini investigates how the history and preservation of dubious science has justified and normalized the idea of hierarchies between ‘racial’ groups. … Pivoting deftly from personal reflection to technical exposition, she now explores a similarly persistent taint: the search by some scientists for measurable biological differences between ‘races’, despite decades of studies yielding no supporting evidence.

Research has repeatedly shown that race is not a scientifically valid concept. … Yet, despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine. …

I wondered whom Saini imagines her primary audience to be. She uses the royal ‘we’, perhaps as a way of creating community with readers, whom I sense she sees as scientifically literate white people. This is perhaps due to the lack of diversity in science and science writing. At the same time, she reminds us that she is a Briton of Indian origin, and so would be a subject in race-based inquiries. In her discussion of Mankind Quarterly, she earnestly uses the term “political correctness” — which has been levelled disparagingly at those calling for more inclusive dialogue. And in a reflection on the Human Genome Diversity Project, which aimed to collect DNA from Indigenous communities around the world, she references the 1990s as the dawn of “identity politics” — a term often used to denigrate the perspectives of minoritized individuals. She does not question these tropes.

In this way, Saini seems surprisingly willing to couch her critical analysis of race science in language often used by those more interested in silencing such critiques. A generous reading of her approach might be that it is a subversive attempt to appeal to sceptical readers. However, I am unsure that that is her intent.

It is less clear what Saini makes of contemporary practitioners of race science. For her, it seems, there is a difference between past scientists who used financing from the Pioneer Fund to support eugenics research, and current researchers, those “race realists”, who continue to search for a biological component of race. She does explore the shortcomings of current research and openly questions why people persist with this field of fruitless inquiry.

This tension between the deadly legacy of historical race science and the ethically troubling reification of racial frameworks in current research emerges in a lengthy interview with David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, known for his work on ancient DNA and human evolution. Reich tells her: “There are real ancestry differences across populations that correlate to the social constructions we have.” He adds: “We have to deal with that.” But, as Saini notes, when racism is embedded in society’s core structures, such research is born of the same social relations.

Collective denial
In my view, too many scholarly voices provide this kind of cover for their peers. This unwillingness to reckon with the possibility that racism actually underpins research that has been proved to have demonstrably deleterious outcomes left me longing for a stronger take-away message.

For a more insightful review, there is Edward Dutton’s in Quarterly Review:

Superior isn’t so much a work of popular science as a latter day Bell Jar, with the focus turned from an American girl having a breakdown to a second generation Indian immigrant to London working through her feelings about ‘race.’ …

‘This is the book I have wanted to write since I was ten years old, and I have poured my soul into it’ (p.293). When Angela was ten years old, ‘boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister . . . telling us to go home.’ This appears to have traumatized Angela, or at least left her resentful with ‘that cold lonely feeling of not quite being able to fit in . . . the British National Party was marching outside our door . . .’ (p.164). During the Brexit Referendum, Angela’s childhood borough of Bexley was one of only 5 of the 32 London boroughs to vote Leave: ‘we also knew that a sizeable slice of voters wanted fewer of us (non-whites) there in the first place’ (p.165). In other words, the author has a massive chip on her shoulder about ‘race’ and her childhood experiences, which she relates to ‘race.’

To make matters worse, she hints at some kind of family rift, relating to race. Her Hindu mother, Santosh Gupta, married a man of a different ‘caste, religion, and community’ (p.215), Sohan Saini, in Redbridge in Essex in 1979. Angela’s book’s dedication reads, ‘For my parents, the only ancestors I need to know.’ It is hard to believe that anyone with any love for their grandparents could write such a thing, and apparently Angela’s mother was raised to strongly believe in the caste system (p.215). This level of emotional investment makes Saini one of the least suitable people to write an objective book on the subject of race. ‘Race’ invokes such strong emotions that she simply cannot think logically about it. In addition, she implies that as the daughter of immigrants, she was pressured, to some extent at least, to study a subject which led to a high-paying job – in her case Engineering (p.281) – so she may well have ‘issues’ with science: she characterises human directed evolution, which as a child of high caste parents she is an extreme product of, as a ‘cold, calculated way of thinking about human life’ (p.71). …

The world is divided between ‘good’ – Angela’s army – and evil.

Accordingly, ‘well-meaning people,’ with spotless credentials, such as Cavalli-Sforza, can be forgiven for making fact-based ‘incendiary statements’ (p.157), because they are ‘one of us.’ If Harvard geneticist David Reich asserts that races might exist, then these are ‘words I never expected to hear from a mainstream respected geneticist’ (p.182) and he may need to reflect that he is using ‘similar frameworks’ to Francis Galton and other evil people (p.151).

 
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  1. So either Robin Nelson doesn’t own a mirror, or doesn’t know how to use one. If she did (own a mirror) or could (use a mirror) she would notice very obvious physical regularities that are observed in ‘people like her’ that differ – predictably – from people like Ted Bundy or Scarlett Johannsen or Xi Jinping or the Dalai Lama.

    The notion that there is no biological difference between African humans and European, Asian, Indian (dot or feather), or Chinese (take-away or dine-in), or Polynesian, or Inuit… that assertion is so staggeringly idiotic, so preposterous, that anyone who repeats the assertion disqualifies themselves from being taken seriously.

    Obviously there are times when it gets close to a corner – for example you would not immediately recognise me as part-Polynesian… but that’s because the ‘part’ that is Polynesian is ~1/4 . But even that is conceding too much ground to these fuckwits.

    Why? Easy – humans know how to DNA test, and DNA tests of part-Maori people reliably return correct classifications (i.e., they return the conclusions that the person in question is part-Maori), whereas samples from people who look like Ms Nelson show something very different (and the machine not fucking guessing “Oh, maybe Shropshire? Maybe Scandinavia somewhere?).

    This shows that people who claim that race is a social construct … are bullshitting.

    There is no other word for it: they are flapping their face-meat and producing a set of noises that they think will advance their side of the argument, with literally zero regard as to whether the noises they’re making are true or not. They are relying on the audience being too stupid to think for 3 seconds and notice that people fall into biologically-identifiable groups.

    The most basic image classifier can be trained to discriminate between different types of human faces, using as few as 500 images: if the input data is correctly classified, the machine will never classify any subsequent African face as a fucking Eskimo.

    And yes, if the person under scrutiny is a bitzer (‘bitzer this, bitzer that‘… like me), it might turn out that they take after their white bits; hard to tell, since my white bits are a Heinz-57 mélange of Spaniard, Dane, Finn, French, German and Irish (races who are just as crazy as Maori).

    • Replies: @kihowi
    My question to her would be "how does nature know to only apply her selection to visible organs?", assuming that she at least accepts that negroes look different from anglos.

    God, flashbacks to fighting with creationists on usenet circa 2000. They're basically the same people. Real soon now they'll start talking about the difference between micro-race (small differences in genetics between populations, obviously true) and macro-race (big differences, never been observed).

    Let's say you're on a stroll in nature and you find two different watches lying on the ground. Now how likely is that? Who ever loses two watches? And look how similar they are! Both have hands, both have numbers 1 to 12 and both are round. What are the odds! Clearly, the most scientific conclusion is that there is only one watch there and you're just cross eyed.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Scarlett Johannsen...

    my white bits are a Heinz-57 mélange of Spaniard, Dane, Finn, French, German...

     

    Your German and Danish strains are showing. It's Johansson. Her father is from Denmark, but his father is a Swede, and they kept the Swedish spelling.

    ...and Irish (races who are just as crazy as Maori).
     
    Both like rugby. As do the Welsh, Scots, French, Boers, and Argentines.

    Gives them license to beat up on the hated English.
  2. I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said “Yes, you look Chinese”. Blank faces all around.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Charon
    Maybe because it was a rather strange thing to say? Although, I must grant: in every other country they're perfectly okay with saying, "Yes, you look American" regardless of the irony attending the remark.

    But we're not permitted to act as people do in every other country. Well, that's how it was but now white people are under attack in almost all of what used to be their countries.

    , @Anonymous

    Blank faces all around.
     
    But could you tell them apart?
    , @guest
    Probably the same sort of people who'd be offended if Hollywood were to cast a Japanese girl to play a Chinese character.
    , @danand

    “I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said “Yes, you look Chinese”. Blank faces
    all around.”
     
    Jim, hopefully the introduction was of no lasting import.

    If introduced to another asian person, man or woman, and the intent is to leave a favorable impression; I would suggest one say they look Japanese, regardless of what/who they look like. Can’t go wrong, even if they reply that they downright hate the “damn Japanese”, they’ll have been a little flattered by the comment.
  3. I guess the latest five year plan to enforce radical egalitarianism is not going so well, so good party members like Robin Nelsen must work even harder to get the rabble to not notice what they see every day.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Yup. "Who ya gonna believe? Me, or your lyin' eyes?"
  4. Pivoting deftly from personal reflection to technical exposition

    Aaaaaand back again.

    …readers, whom I sense she sees as scientifically literate white people

    Have I mentioned how spiritual and clairvoyant I am? It’s true. I’m really in tune with the spirit world. I can truly sense things that other people have to guess at. Especially if they have to do with race. I’m just gifted like that.

    • LOL: Nehlen
  5. In this way, Saini seems surprisingly willing to couch her critical analysis of race science in language often used by those more interested in silencing such critiques.

    The idea that it is resistance to “race science” research that is being silenced is hilarious.

  6. Saini’s book “Pivoting deftly from personal reflection to technical exposition” (qoute from Nelson review) is a euphemism for the fact that the Saini book is just one long moralistic fallacy. Saini “scientifically proves” that race does not exist by telling endless cry-baby stories. How does that scientifically prove or disprove anything?

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    That's odd, since you could tell one story after another of racist, black-on-white atrocities, and a Saini would respond by calling you a "racist," and reducing all of your examples to meaningless "anecdotes."

    These people have destroyed the language, since even the meaning of a seemingly innocuous word is completely dependent on the identity of the speaker and the respondent, respectively.
  7. This unwillingness to reckon with the possibility that racism actually underpins the universe that has been proved to have demonstrably deleterious outcomes left me longing for a stronger take-away message.

  8. “those “race realists”, who continue to search for a biological component of race”

    Arabic is culturally constructed, and I know of no way to determine if someone speaks Arabic by taking a genetic sample. In contrast, sickle cell anemia is biological, and I can tell if someone has the condition from a genetic sample. Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person’s ancestry from a genetic sample?

    • Replies: @lavoisier

    Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person’s ancestry from a genetic sample?
     
    You are to conclude that people like her cannot determine a person's ancestry from a genetic sample.

    And because SHE cannot make such a determination, geneticists must not be allowed to make such a determination either.

    , @Prester John
    Yes!

    Otherwise, you are by her definition a "racist."

  9. I see Dutton’s Youtube video review of this got taken down.

    Maybe the book getting attacked from the left will knock some sense into Saini, but I very very much doubt it, for reasons Dutton explains.

    I noticed by accident that the mean streets of south-east London, Welling, where Angela Saini, grew up and was supposedly attacked by BNP racists, was also the same place a few years earlier Kate Bush similarly grew up. It’s kind of tragic what a few decades have wrought.

    One woman one of the great modern creative interpreters of Englishness, the other a racist anti-enlightenment interloper. This book is going to cause all sorts of trouble.

  10. Research has repeatedly shown that race is not a scientifically valid concept. … Yet, despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine.

    That happens all the time in science. I mean, don’t astrophysicists still rely on the long-ago discredited Geocentric Theory? Don’t modern biologists still stand by the tenets of Lamarckian evolution, long since disproven? So it should be completely expected that something as meaningless as the concept of ‘race’ would still be used by geneticists … right? Or am I missing something here?

    But, as Saini notes, when racism is embedded in society’s core structures, such research is born of the same social relations.

    I have an idea: why not just conduct the exact same experiments that Reich’s sources performed in white laboratories all over again; but this time, perform those experiments in different laboratories located in places like Bangalore or Bamako instead and see if you get the same results?

    Hey, I really like this new idea of mine! I think I’ll call it science.

  11. Diverse Daenerys Cannot be Raciss!

    I wondered whom Saini imagines her primary audience to be. She uses the royal ‘we’, perhaps as a way of creating community with readers, whom I sense she sees as scientifically literate white people. This is perhaps due to the lack of diversity in science and science writing.

    The urge to drive more wedges between whatever is white and the rest of the world is strong.

    This unwillingness to reckon with the possibility that racism actually underpins research that has been proved to have demonstrably deleterious outcomes left me longing for a stronger take-away message.

    Like “Do you want fries with that?”

    All these emotion-laden adjectives just to say “these are things I don’t like and want suppressed and erased from the record of reality”.

  12. It’a not my favorite iSteve post subject, but thanks for featuring the REAL ELVIS!

  13. I’m amazed a respected publication like Nature would publish such a blatantly antiscientific review

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    These days, Nature is woke - endless opeds about sexism in science etc.
    , @Cloudswrest

    I’m amazed a respected publication like Nature would publish such a blatantly antiscientific review
     
    Hah, they've been "converged" for a long time. Now, for the most part, it's all "global warming" all the time, and lobbying politicians.
  14. In her latest book, Superior, Angela Saini investigates how the history and preservation of dubious science has justified and normalized the idea of hierarchies between ‘racial’ groups.

    Needs more scare quotes to ram home the message! I suggest:

    In her latest “book,” “Superior,” Angela Saini “investigates” how the “history” and “preservation” of dubious “science” has “justified” and “normalized” the “idea” of “hierarchies” between “racial” “groups.”

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    In her latest “book,” “Superior,” Angela Saini “investigates” how the “history” and “preservation” of dubious “science” has “justified” and “normalized” the “idea” of “hierarchies” between “racial” “groups.”
     
    One could expect two more scare quotes (nice!) added in order to strip this text from its toxic/repressive gender-heteronormality:

    In "her" latest ... "Angela" Saini....

  15. boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister . .

    Oh balls. If it happened in Britain they threw stones at them.

    • LOL: Sextus Empiricus
    • Replies: @guest
    Someone threw a rock at my head back in junior high. We were the same race, however. And I probably deserved it because I did this thing where I sarcastically waved at him from the bus on the way home every day.
    , @Forbes
    Ten year olds throwing rocks stones is quite unexceptional behavior. In northern climes, we also threw a lot of snowballs.

    Where's my book contract?
  16. … despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine.

    If race isn’t a valid biological concept, then how does one explain concentrations of things like sickle-cell anaemia or, my favourite from the military, pseudofolliculitis barbae (razor bumps), predominantly to persons of African ancestry?

    • Replies: @guest
    Um, all such knowledge is kept in a special compartment. Keys to which are safely guarded, and if you should happen to hold contradictory thoughts on the scientific existence of race we keep an emergency hammer nearby with which to reboot your head.
  17. @Harry Baldwin
    In her latest book, Superior, Angela Saini investigates how the history and preservation of dubious science has justified and normalized the idea of hierarchies between ‘racial’ groups.

    Needs more scare quotes to ram home the message! I suggest:


    In her latest "book," "Superior," Angela Saini "investigates" how the "history" and "preservation" of dubious "science" has "justified" and "normalized" the "idea" of "hierarchies" between "racial" "groups."
     

    In her latest “book,” “Superior,” Angela Saini “investigates” how the “history” and “preservation” of dubious “science” has “justified” and “normalized” the “idea” of “hierarchies” between “racial” “groups.”

    One could expect two more scare quotes (nice!) added in order to strip this text from its toxic/repressive gender-heteronormality:

    In “her” latest … “Angela” Saini….

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Dieter, very good point. These "scare" quotes are put around anything that the "author" obviously doesn't know the "right: word for, these days. Let's cut down on carbon emissions, shall we, and just put quotes around the whole sentence. English (and German too, I suppose) has plenty enough words, but we need newer and better punctuation. When do we want it?!? We want it ¡NOW!
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    LOL.

    Memo to Robin Nelson - the Misgendering Police now have your name on their little list.
  18. She’s a biological anthropologist and should know that a competent molecular biologist can determine race from a sample of DNA with some precision. This is how they find serial killers if the cops don’t touch the “race doesn’t exist” falsehood and actually employ a molecular biologist.

    Why send your kids to Santa Clara University when they are being taught politically correct lies instead of actual science? What a waste of tuition money. This “professor” is akin to Lysenko growing citrus trees in Moscow. We know how that worked out.

    As an undergrad I bought the whole Richard Lewontin lie that race does not exist. Razib Khan set me straight in 2002.

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    Actually, the cops couldn't care less about determining race from DNA. That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions. They use the family-finder type DNA to locate relatives, from whose other relatives a suspect who was in the right area at the right time can be identified. Relatives who are not the same race will do just as well - relatedness is determined by the length of the shared pieces of DNA. If you're white, you'd share longer stretches of DNA with a black 2nd cousin than with a white 3rd cousin (on average).
  19. @jim jones
    I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said "Yes, you look Chinese". Blank faces all around.

    Maybe because it was a rather strange thing to say? Although, I must grant: in every other country they’re perfectly okay with saying, “Yes, you look American” regardless of the irony attending the remark.

    But we’re not permitted to act as people do in every other country. Well, that’s how it was but now white people are under attack in almost all of what used to be their countries.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    I had been reading Unz and my mind was full of the "social construct" nonsense. At the time it just struck me as bizarre that I could actually see the biological reality of race.
  20. …the search by some scientists for measurable biological differences between ‘races’, despite decades of studies yielding no supporting evidence.

    She does explore the shortcomings of current research and openly questions why people persist with this field of fruitless inquiry.

    It’s like a reading from a flat Earth believer: they see no evidence; everything’s been debunked; all that is left is to roll up the falsehoods and toss them away.

  21. Ms. Nelson, a gift to America from the Caribbean, and who has a very white husband, is yet another ungrateful foreigner who seeks to lecture us about race. Which does not exist.

    Yet here Ms. Nelson is portraying herself, in her words, with “4 black women.” Well how can that be?

    PS – Steve, the review is in Nature, not Science.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    4 Black women BioAnthros bump into each other at the bar 🙌🏾
     
    I wonder if the rest of the tweet included "where we ordered Apple-tinis and Courvoisier & Cokes, shrieked loudly saying 'oh no he di-int' and 'muthafuggah' every third word disturbing all the other patrons, then didn't tip"?
    , @the one they call Desanex

    Racism in science: the taint that lingers
     
    Melanin: the taint that lingers longer
    , @Forbes
    I wonder--did she write "4 Black women" because their skin color randomly, as a coincidence, turned out to be black, or is she describing a racial distinction...
  22. The whole thing is idiotic, but the worst is

    Francis Galton and other evil people

    . What can I say? Galton founded statistics, truly Satan’s science. But Dalton was the worst, he discovered the science of colors; before him, people were not colored.

    • Replies: @guest
    Statistics includes Per Capita, and we all know Per Capita is the worst evil ever to befall peoples of color.

    It is strange how comfortable people feel about casually throwing around the word evil about a man who lived what is to them probably an obscure life. The line on Galton is: "fingerprints, related to Darwin, something something, Hitler." But what are those somethings exactly?

    I've been tempted to call well-meaning scientific figure Norman Borlaug evil. Because of the consequences of his achievements, though frankly I don't know much of the nuts and bolts of what he did. And no, it's not because I'm racist against Iowans. I'm racist against Wisconsinites. My own father was Iowan.

    Point being, I could articulate roughly how Borlaug wrought evil. What is it Galton did, exactly? Eugenics? In our world of Biblical-plague levels of abortion how could that possibly matter? Racism? Everyone before two seconds ago was racist.

  23. Off topic –

    St. Louis Park will reconsider decision to drop Pledge recitation
    Vote to discontinue practice at council meetings ignited controversy.

    By Liz Sawyer
    Star Tribune
    JUNE 28, 2019 — 5:30AM

    The St. Louis Park City Council will reconsider its controversial decision to drop recital of the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag at its meetings following pushback from constituents.

    Elected leaders voted 5-0 to stop recitation — a longtime ritual marking the beginning of official meetings — on June 17, citing a desire to accommodate the city’s newest and more diverse residents.

    However, a spot check of metro and outstate cities found that most of them — Blaine, Brooklyn Center, Burnsville, Duluth, Eden Prairie, Mankato, Maplewood, Rochester, St. Cloud, St. Paul, Stillwater and Wayzata — include the pledge as part of the council meeting agenda. The pledge is not said at council meetings in Minneapolis and Edina.

    According to U.S. Census data from 2018, St. Louis Park has a population of just over 49,000 residents. Of that total, 83% are white, 7.7% are black, 3.8% are Latino, 3.7% are Asian and 3.3% cite two or more races. In Minnesota as a whole, 83.7% are white, 5.9% are black, 4.7% are Asian, 2.8% claim two or more races and 1% are American Indian, according to the most recent American Community Survey.

    Council Member Tim Brausen doesn’t recall receiving any complaints about the pledge, but said the meaning behind the tradition has changed since 1980, when city officials began saying the pledge during the Iran hostage crisis.

    “Unfortunately, some of us feel like patriotism has been so politicized that it’s almost used as a weapon against people,” he said.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Americanization, who needs it?
  24. Interesting to note that Adam Rutherford, geneticist and author of a book on genetics (“A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived”) has a section denying the existence of race, and also a related section on how people were mean to him and his brother in Britain as kids because they were Pakistani.

  25. @Dieter Kief

    In her latest “book,” “Superior,” Angela Saini “investigates” how the “history” and “preservation” of dubious “science” has “justified” and “normalized” the “idea” of “hierarchies” between “racial” “groups.”
     
    One could expect two more scare quotes (nice!) added in order to strip this text from its toxic/repressive gender-heteronormality:

    In "her" latest ... "Angela" Saini....

    Haha, Dieter, very good point. These “scare” quotes are put around anything that the “author” obviously doesn’t know the “right: word for, these days. Let’s cut down on carbon emissions, shall we, and just put quotes around the whole sentence. English (and German too, I suppose) has plenty enough words, but we need newer and better punctuation. When do we want it?!? We want it ¡NOW!

  26. We must exclude opinions I disagree with in order to be “inclusive.”

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Heh!
  27. Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology at Santa Clara University in California.

    A hundred years ago, she might have been, too… as an exhibit.

    Or maybe not. Santa Clara is Jesuit.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Reg Caesar:

    No, a hundred years ago she would have been a prized exhibit at Jesuit St Clara once you understand that was that time's zeitgeist and Jesuits always revel in contemporary fads.

    , @Alden
    Santa Clara gets a lot of the Stanford rejects. Good school for useful contacts if you plan to stay in the Bay Area.
    , @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    Working in Santa Clara County in 2019 trumps Jesuitry if you are in a University Anthropology Department. These are the prototype of the tree hugging hippies. (I am sufficiently Californian that I revere trees but hugging them is over the edge ----->).

    The thing I love about Anthropology is that in practice their biggest shareholders are all military and intelligence. David Price has the best exposures of the dirty laundry in the profession, for example:

    Weaponizing Anthropology:

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/12258297-weaponizing-anthropology

    Operation Phoenix, death squads, kill lists are all the invention and construction of degreed social scientists paid for by the taxpayers.
  28. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Her [Saini’s] Hindu mother, Santosh Gupta, married a man of a different ‘caste, religion, and community’ (p.215), Sohan Saini, in Redbridge in Essex in 1979.

    So this is probably what happened

    Mother – Gupta group of castes, Hindi speaker, from central and gangetic India, darker, shorter, small-shopkeeper and clerical classes, less extroverted.

    Father – Saini, likely Sikh and not Hindu, light skinned, taller, stronger-limbed, proud of being descended from the Sena price, warrior and landowner-farmers, Punjabi, and traditionally contemptuous of other, darker, less outgoing and punier Indian castes and ethnic groups.

    Neither set of parents was likely very happy with the out-of-caste/language/religion marriage.

  29. @Dieter Kief

    In her latest “book,” “Superior,” Angela Saini “investigates” how the “history” and “preservation” of dubious “science” has “justified” and “normalized” the “idea” of “hierarchies” between “racial” “groups.”
     
    One could expect two more scare quotes (nice!) added in order to strip this text from its toxic/repressive gender-heteronormality:

    In "her" latest ... "Angela" Saini....

    LOL.

    Memo to Robin Nelson – the Misgendering Police now have your name on their little list.

  30. I’d be interested in seeing Nelson explain to Reich where he went wrong in his research. Very slowly, so even he could understand. And preferably, in public. And even more preferably, recorded.

  31. Has David Reich commented publicly on the book after its publication?

    • Replies: @HonestBl
    My guess is that he is trying to stay low key. People like him, Richard Haeir, and Robert Plomin are next on the list when it comes to purging. Any public statement they make put their careers in extreme danger.
  32. “she references the 1990s as the dawn of “identity politics” — a term often used to denigrate the perspectives of minoritized individuals.“

    minoritized individuals?

  33. Boy, that article was poorly written but that’s the least of its problems. By the way, Oliver’s Army is probably the greatest song ever written that contains the N-word. On a side note, Elvis got into a world of trouble when around 1981 he was caught using that very worst of words to describe Ray Charles (along with the modifier “blind” and “ignorant”) and iirc James Brown. That’s a minor scandal that’s ripe for re-exploitation. Not sure if Elvis supports Brexit, though I doubt he does, but for his sake he’d better not.

    • Replies: @Blodg
    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck
    , @MEH 0910
    Elvis Costello & Questlove in Conversation Part 2 "The Elephant in the Room"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mG-xVLjR0g
  34. @Reg Cæsar

    Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology at Santa Clara University in California.
     
    A hundred years ago, she might have been, too... as an exhibit.

    Or maybe not. Santa Clara is Jesuit.

    Reg Caesar:

    No, a hundred years ago she would have been a prized exhibit at Jesuit St Clara once you understand that was that time’s zeitgeist and Jesuits always revel in contemporary fads.

  35. Research has repeatedly shown that race is not a scientifically valid concept. … Yet, despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine. …

    Poor me, here I was thinking that genetics and rigorous science is constantly proving that race is a biologically valid concept ‘from genetics to medicine’….

  36. I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He’s absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and – his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    It's still available on bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/GM6hKWxMe2ZR/

    , @JimB

    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it.
     
    Does anyone know of an alternate link?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. "

    It was appealed and is back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVo_AiqgQHE

    , @J.Ross
    Okay, I think I've got it. It's still floating around on para-Youtube sites.
    , @Cowboy Shaw
    Yes, they are very funny. The long dissection of Jordan Peterson is well worth a watch.
  37. “she references the 1990s as the dawn of “identity politics” — a term often used to denigrate the perspectives of minoritized individuals.“

    from Etymology Online:

    denigrate (v.)

    1520s, “to sully or stain” (the reputation, character, etc.), from Latin denigratus, past participle of denigrare “to blacken; to defame,” from de- “completely” (see de-) + nigr-, stem of niger “black” (see Negro), which is of unknown origin.
    The figurative sense is oldest in English; the literal sense of “blacken, make black” is recorded from 1620s. But denigrate as a past-participle adjective meaning “darkened, discolored” is attested from early 15c. “Apparently disused in 18th c. and revived in 19th c.” [OED]. Related: Denigrated; denigrating.

    Careful there, Robin.

  38. @vinteuil
    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton's full "Jolly Heretic" podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He's absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and - his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    It’s still available on bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/GM6hKWxMe2ZR/

  39. @Reg Cæsar

    Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology at Santa Clara University in California.
     
    A hundred years ago, she might have been, too... as an exhibit.

    Or maybe not. Santa Clara is Jesuit.

    Santa Clara gets a lot of the Stanford rejects. Good school for useful contacts if you plan to stay in the Bay Area.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Bellarmine Prep started life (in 1851) as the high school division of the then Santa Clara College.
    By 1962, when I entered the place, it was generally understood that only the real locals (mostly the San Jose set, themselves mostly Italian in background) seriously contemplated Santa Clara as their next and normally final rung on the educational ladder. The rest of us would have considered even applying to Santa Clara, much less actually going there, as an admission of irredeemable mediocrity.
    So those who wanted a safety net would usually apply to the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation and was, after all, in San Francisco rather than the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days.
    I doubt, in other words, that failed Stanford applicants find Santa Clara an attractive second best -unless, as you suggest, they are determined to stay in Silicon Valley come what may.
  40. @vinteuil
    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton's full "Jolly Heretic" podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He's absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and - his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it.

    Does anyone know of an alternate link?

    • Replies: @JimB
    It would be nice if there was a backup server for controversial channels so when YouTube smites content it gets preserved somewhere. That way YouTube could decide what it wants to be heard on it’s platform without getting to decide what can be heard. Over time analytics could be done on YouTube’s algorithm precisely model its evolving biases.
    , @J.Ross
    Stream nothung -- download it all and make copies, re-uploading when possible. Assume everything will be gone tomorrow. I finally have the Veritas Google Gennai vid but am having trouble posting it.
  41. @JimB

    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it.
     
    Does anyone know of an alternate link?

    It would be nice if there was a backup server for controversial channels so when YouTube smites content it gets preserved somewhere. That way YouTube could decide what it wants to be heard on it’s platform without getting to decide what can be heard. Over time analytics could be done on YouTube’s algorithm precisely model its evolving biases.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    The video tab on Unz does that for some podcasts.

    The Jolly Heretic is on bitchute (see comment #38).
  42. @Reg Cæsar

    Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology at Santa Clara University in California.
     
    A hundred years ago, she might have been, too... as an exhibit.

    Or maybe not. Santa Clara is Jesuit.

    Working in Santa Clara County in 2019 trumps Jesuitry if you are in a University Anthropology Department. These are the prototype of the tree hugging hippies. (I am sufficiently Californian that I revere trees but hugging them is over the edge —–>).

    The thing I love about Anthropology is that in practice their biggest shareholders are all military and intelligence. David Price has the best exposures of the dirty laundry in the profession, for example:

    Weaponizing Anthropology:

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/12258297-weaponizing-anthropology

    Operation Phoenix, death squads, kill lists are all the invention and construction of degreed social scientists paid for by the taxpayers.

  43. OT: I’m seeing a $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations” on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.

    As everyone here knows, slavery was abolished by force of arms and Constitutional amendment, the economic and political costs of which were mostly borne by White folks. I saw no deduction for that on the simple graphic I saw.

    Anyone know anything more?

    • Replies: @El Dato

    $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations”
     
    It's a good number.

    It's in the ballpart of the US national debt (w/o unfunded liabilities), which is USD ~22 x 10^12 right now according to https://usdebtclock.org/

    It is also about 3 times the annual GDP of all of Africa.
    , @L Woods
    Not to mention the cost in blood.
    , @Clyde

    OT: I’m seeing a $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations” on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.
     
    This get one over on whitey scam has morphed into reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. Presumably because of the anti-reparations argument, that no one living today was a slave. Similar to global warming morphing into climate change.
  44. Man, that first review is pure Stalinese. It probably sounds better in Russian.

  45. If the word race belongs in scare quotes, I guess that means the reparations hubbub will be quieting down any minute now.

  46. Another day, another way to praise Italian Interior Minister Salvini: Italian police smash a pedophile infiltration of a child protective services operation. Slightly overlapping NXIVM, operations in Haiti and Norway, and possibly certain uninvestigated operations in the US, children were brainwashed into saying that their parents had abused them, then “legally” taken, then sold at reasonable prices, with human enslavement and trafficking disguised by legitimate and government functions.
    But let’s keep looking for the phantom Russians.
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190627-italy-arrests-18-allegedly-brainwashing-selling-children

  47. @vinteuil
    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton's full "Jolly Heretic" podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He's absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and - his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    “I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. “

    It was appealed and is back up.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    It's a different video. The original was just him without the more autistic one.
    , @Sextus Empiricus
    She is kind of cute (Angie, not Robin) in a Japanese sex robot sort of way...


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg/1200px-Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg


    Maybe a little more makeup and she could be licensed for South Asian and Low-T White Beta Tech Guy markets.

    You can see the pain in the eyes though. You can see that she is going to be incessantly re-telling you sad stories from her childhood and young adulthood, while you quietly smile and wonder why the F anyone would spend so much time obsessing over a past that cannot be changed.

    Maybe that will be the big appeal of the sex robots - no history.

  48. Lot says:

    St Nipsy news:

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/nipsey-hussle-reportedly-killed-over-dispute-about-snitching-court-documents-claim

    The shooter got a chili dog immediately before shooting him, and took an Uber. His name: Eric Holder.

    Nipsy looks a lot like a young Osama bin Laden to me.

    Also, while the shooting involved “snitching,” no record of any “recent” gang activity by St Nipsy.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "He got a chili dog, shot him, then left in a Uber."

    Marty_McFly_in_the_future.jpg
  49. I listened to the book via Audible over the course of a family car trip. Even my wife, who does not go for the whole “race realism” thing was taken aback by the bias/agenda. For the most part the whole thing is an extended diatribe against the Pioneer Fund and Mankind Quarterly. The chapter on Sailer/HBD was hilarious.

  50. @JimB

    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it.
     
    Does anyone know of an alternate link?

    Stream nothung — download it all and make copies, re-uploading when possible. Assume everything will be gone tomorrow. I finally have the Veritas Google Gennai vid but am having trouble posting it.

  51. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘This is the book I have wanted to write since I was ten years old, and I have poured my soul into it’ (p.293). When Angela was ten years old, ‘boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister . . . telling us to go home.’

    The fact that her family even weathered ‘racist’ rocks to remain in UK than return to their own land and kin suggests they prefer whites over their on people. So, who are the ‘real racists’?

    • Agree: jim jones
  52. @J. Zete
    Has David Reich commented publicly on the book after its publication?

    My guess is that he is trying to stay low key. People like him, Richard Haeir, and Robert Plomin are next on the list when it comes to purging. Any public statement they make put their careers in extreme danger.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Haier and Plomin are now in emeritus territory, unlikely they would be targets because they could just retire. Reich on the other hand is quite a bit younger, and works at Moscow on the Charles, so he has to tread very lightly.
  53. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones
    I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said "Yes, you look Chinese". Blank faces all around.

    Blank faces all around.

    But could you tell them apart?

  54. Hmmm why is Robin Nelson so powerfully willfully in denial? How fragile can an ego be? Compare modern day Haiti where locals COLLECTIVELY multi-decadally haven’t deciphered the riddle wrapped in an enigma aka small hill in order to trade at Dominican Republic Markets. OTOH in 1600s Bernoulli challenged European scientists with the Brachistichrone problem. Some solved it with Fermats principle of least action, others used what’s now known as the calculus of variations. Instead of minimizing/max a variable (aka regular calculus) calculus of variations operates on functions! Whites all across Europe demonstrating such powerful intellect centuries ago but WHATEVER YOU DO don’t examine that!!! Or use it in racial comparison. Please explain?

  55. @YetAnotherAnon
    "I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. "

    It was appealed and is back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVo_AiqgQHE

    It’s a different video. The original was just him without the more autistic one.

    • Replies: @vinteuil

    It’s a different video. The original was just him without the more autistic one.
     
    Right. Episode 35 remains in limbo.
  56. @peterike
    Ms. Nelson, a gift to America from the Caribbean, and who has a very white husband, is yet another ungrateful foreigner who seeks to lecture us about race. Which does not exist.

    Yet here Ms. Nelson is portraying herself, in her words, with "4 black women." Well how can that be?

    https://twitter.com/robingnelson/status/1111451295011999745


    PS - Steve, the review is in Nature, not Science.

    4 Black women BioAnthros bump into each other at the bar 🙌🏾

    I wonder if the rest of the tweet included “where we ordered Apple-tinis and Courvoisier & Cokes, shrieked loudly saying ‘oh no he di-int’ and ‘muthafuggah’ every third word disturbing all the other patrons, then didn’t tip”?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Pitch-perfect. Bravo!
  57. @Lot
    St Nipsy news:

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/nipsey-hussle-reportedly-killed-over-dispute-about-snitching-court-documents-claim

    The shooter got a chili dog immediately before shooting him, and took an Uber. His name: Eric Holder.

    Nipsy looks a lot like a young Osama bin Laden to me.

    Also, while the shooting involved “snitching,” no record of any “recent” gang activity by St Nipsy.

    “He got a chili dog, shot him, then left in a Uber.”

    Marty_McFly_in_the_future.jpg

  58. @Andy
    I'm amazed a respected publication like Nature would publish such a blatantly antiscientific review

    These days, Nature is woke – endless opeds about sexism in science etc.

  59. @Diversity is Great!
    Off topic -

    St. Louis Park will reconsider decision to drop Pledge recitation
    Vote to discontinue practice at council meetings ignited controversy.


    By Liz Sawyer
    Star Tribune
    JUNE 28, 2019 — 5:30AM

    The St. Louis Park City Council will reconsider its controversial decision to drop recital of the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag at its meetings following pushback from constituents.

    Elected leaders voted 5-0 to stop recitation — a longtime ritual marking the beginning of official meetings — on June 17, citing a desire to accommodate the city’s newest and more diverse residents.
     

    However, a spot check of metro and outstate cities found that most of them — Blaine, Brooklyn Center, Burnsville, Duluth, Eden Prairie, Mankato, Maplewood, Rochester, St. Cloud, St. Paul, Stillwater and Wayzata — include the pledge as part of the council meeting agenda. The pledge is not said at council meetings in Minneapolis and Edina.

    According to U.S. Census data from 2018, St. Louis Park has a population of just over 49,000 residents. Of that total, 83% are white, 7.7% are black, 3.8% are Latino, 3.7% are Asian and 3.3% cite two or more races. In Minnesota as a whole, 83.7% are white, 5.9% are black, 4.7% are Asian, 2.8% claim two or more races and 1% are American Indian, according to the most recent American Community Survey.

    Council Member Tim Brausen doesn’t recall receiving any complaints about the pledge, but said the meaning behind the tradition has changed since 1980, when city officials began saying the pledge during the Iran hostage crisis.

    “Unfortunately, some of us feel like patriotism has been so politicized that it’s almost used as a weapon against people,” he said.

     

    :)

    Americanization, who needs it?

  60. @JimB
    It would be nice if there was a backup server for controversial channels so when YouTube smites content it gets preserved somewhere. That way YouTube could decide what it wants to be heard on it’s platform without getting to decide what can be heard. Over time analytics could be done on YouTube’s algorithm precisely model its evolving biases.

    The video tab on Unz does that for some podcasts.

    The Jolly Heretic is on bitchute (see comment #38).

  61. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Boy, that article was poorly written but that's the least of its problems. By the way, Oliver's Army is probably the greatest song ever written that contains the N-word. On a side note, Elvis got into a world of trouble when around 1981 he was caught using that very worst of words to describe Ray Charles (along with the modifier "blind" and "ignorant") and iirc James Brown. That's a minor scandal that's ripe for re-exploitation. Not sure if Elvis supports Brexit, though I doubt he does, but for his sake he'd better not.

    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Which Elvis?
    , @Anonymous
    Wrong Elvis.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck
     
    The hell you say! I last saw Elvis in the frozen foods section of the Wal-Mart on Highway 72 just outside of Collierville back in the summer of ought-nine. Let me tell you, he's gained some weight. I wish I could scan and link you to a dated autograph, but I had to get my 3 bricks of .22 rounds, and by that time, Elvis had left the building.
  62. the disturbing part is that this appears in Nature.

  63. @JackOH
    OT: I'm seeing a $17+ trillion figure for "slave reparations" on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.

    As everyone here knows, slavery was abolished by force of arms and Constitutional amendment, the economic and political costs of which were mostly borne by White folks. I saw no deduction for that on the simple graphic I saw.

    Anyone know anything more?

    $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations”

    It’s a good number.

    It’s in the ballpart of the US national debt (w/o unfunded liabilities), which is USD ~22 x 10^12 right now according to https://usdebtclock.org/

    It is also about 3 times the annual GDP of all of Africa.

  64. @Kratoklastes
    So either Robin Nelson doesn't own a mirror, or doesn't know how to use one. If she did (own a mirror) or could (use a mirror) she would notice very obvious physical regularities that are observed in 'people like her' that differ - predictably - from people like Ted Bundy or Scarlett Johannsen or Xi Jinping or the Dalai Lama.

    The notion that there is no biological difference between African humans and European, Asian, Indian (dot or feather), or Chinese (take-away or dine-in), or Polynesian, or Inuit... that assertion is so staggeringly idiotic, so preposterous, that anyone who repeats the assertion disqualifies themselves from being taken seriously.

    Obviously there are times when it gets close to a corner - for example you would not immediately recognise me as part-Polynesian... but that's because the 'part' that is Polynesian is ~1/4 . But even that is conceding too much ground to these fuckwits.

    Why? Easy - humans know how to DNA test, and DNA tests of part-Maori people reliably return correct classifications (i.e., they return the conclusions that the person in question is part-Maori), whereas samples from people who look like Ms Nelson show something very different (and the machine not fucking guessing "Oh, maybe Shropshire? Maybe Scandinavia somewhere?).

    This shows that people who claim that race is a social construct ... are bullshitting.

    There is no other word for it: they are flapping their face-meat and producing a set of noises that they think will advance their side of the argument, with literally zero regard as to whether the noises they're making are true or not. They are relying on the audience being too stupid to think for 3 seconds and notice that people fall into biologically-identifiable groups.

    The most basic image classifier can be trained to discriminate between different types of human faces, using as few as 500 images: if the input data is correctly classified, the machine will never classify any subsequent African face as a fucking Eskimo.

    And yes, if the person under scrutiny is a bitzer ('bitzer this, bitzer that'... like me), it might turn out that they take after their white bits; hard to tell, since my white bits are a Heinz-57 mélange of Spaniard, Dane, Finn, French, German and Irish (races who are just as crazy as Maori).

    My question to her would be “how does nature know to only apply her selection to visible organs?”, assuming that she at least accepts that negroes look different from anglos.

    God, flashbacks to fighting with creationists on usenet circa 2000. They’re basically the same people. Real soon now they’ll start talking about the difference between micro-race (small differences in genetics between populations, obviously true) and macro-race (big differences, never been observed).

    Let’s say you’re on a stroll in nature and you find two different watches lying on the ground. Now how likely is that? Who ever loses two watches? And look how similar they are! Both have hands, both have numbers 1 to 12 and both are round. What are the odds! Clearly, the most scientific conclusion is that there is only one watch there and you’re just cross eyed.

  65. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    In this way, Saini seems surprisingly willing to couch her critical analysis of race science in language often used by those more interested in silencing such critiques.

    Funny. The last time that I looked, anyone presenting race science was out of a career as a means to silence them.

    Accusing your opponent of your crimes seems to be a common tactic.

  66. OT: the killer of the female Student in SLC:

    https://www.modelmanagement.com/model/ayoola-ajayi/

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/ayoola-ajayi/
  67. Steve

    It looks like to me that John Urschell’s mother a Black RN who had aspirations of having a super smart son spread her legs for a White Thoracic Surgeon…John Urschell MD with a masters in engineering….economics….applied math…….The marriage lasted only a few years….no other children produced in the marriage….John Urschell MD(who looks like one of my brothers) has no other children…and has not remarried……I find this very odd don’t you? I mean John Urschell MD an Alpha Germanic Male…no other Children…no indication of being married……What do you think Steve….John Urschell MD….Homo?

  68. @vinteuil
    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton's full "Jolly Heretic" podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He's absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and - his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    Okay, I think I’ve got it. It’s still floating around on para-Youtube sites.

  69. “boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister…”

    Or my sister and I even. Didn’t people used to master grade school English before writing books? Have editors gone extinct?

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    "my sister and I" would be incorrect.
    , @Mark1977
    Or even 'my sister and me'.
    , @Veracitor
    Sorry, Ozymandias old bean, but "threw rocks at me and my sister" is correct. Consider "threw rocks at me." You wouldn't write "threw rocks at I," would you? Adding "and [at] my sister" does not change that.

    However, Sainis' writings do display plenty of solecisms. Her work demonstrates that political correctness is more important than writing skill, and incidentally that her editors are not very effective either.

  70. Indian Angela Saini’s dreadlocks show that she has a racial superiority theory of her own.

    Brexit was about white European immigrants, the only ones who are affected. British people are totally intimidated out of may overy opposition to nonEuropean immigration. Saini knowns superiority when she sees it.

  71. @YetAnotherAnon
    "I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton’s full “Jolly Heretic” podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. "

    It was appealed and is back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVo_AiqgQHE

    She is kind of cute (Angie, not Robin) in a Japanese sex robot sort of way…

    Maybe a little more makeup and she could be licensed for South Asian and Low-T White Beta Tech Guy markets.

    You can see the pain in the eyes though. You can see that she is going to be incessantly re-telling you sad stories from her childhood and young adulthood, while you quietly smile and wonder why the F anyone would spend so much time obsessing over a past that cannot be changed.

    Maybe that will be the big appeal of the sex robots – no history.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Whoa whoa whoa...hold up...

    Much like the boat:

    https://youtu.be/iZqUt1xxRm0

    The carmelitas are mine.

    The carmelitas are MINE!
  72. @peterike
    Ms. Nelson, a gift to America from the Caribbean, and who has a very white husband, is yet another ungrateful foreigner who seeks to lecture us about race. Which does not exist.

    Yet here Ms. Nelson is portraying herself, in her words, with "4 black women." Well how can that be?

    https://twitter.com/robingnelson/status/1111451295011999745


    PS - Steve, the review is in Nature, not Science.

    Racism in science: the taint that lingers

    Melanin: the taint that lingers longer

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  73. “The Taint That Lingers”

    How did they get a copy of my experimental gay porno student film?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    That's spelled tain't.

    As in, "tain't [...], tain't [...] , but the meat in the middle". I got so sick of that "meme" in the '70s. And it was still hetero then, like the rainbow.
  74. @jim jones
    I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said "Yes, you look Chinese". Blank faces all around.

    Probably the same sort of people who’d be offended if Hollywood were to cast a Japanese girl to play a Chinese character.

  75. @dearieme
    boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister . .

    Oh balls. If it happened in Britain they threw stones at them.

    Someone threw a rock at my head back in junior high. We were the same race, however. And I probably deserved it because I did this thing where I sarcastically waved at him from the bus on the way home every day.

  76. @JackOH
    OT: I'm seeing a $17+ trillion figure for "slave reparations" on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.

    As everyone here knows, slavery was abolished by force of arms and Constitutional amendment, the economic and political costs of which were mostly borne by White folks. I saw no deduction for that on the simple graphic I saw.

    Anyone know anything more?

    Not to mention the cost in blood.

  77. @The Alarmist

    ... despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine.
     
    If race isn't a valid biological concept, then how does one explain concentrations of things like sickle-cell anaemia or, my favourite from the military, pseudofolliculitis barbae (razor bumps), predominantly to persons of African ancestry?

    Um, all such knowledge is kept in a special compartment. Keys to which are safely guarded, and if you should happen to hold contradictory thoughts on the scientific existence of race we keep an emergency hammer nearby with which to reboot your head.

  78. @Charon
    Maybe because it was a rather strange thing to say? Although, I must grant: in every other country they're perfectly okay with saying, "Yes, you look American" regardless of the irony attending the remark.

    But we're not permitted to act as people do in every other country. Well, that's how it was but now white people are under attack in almost all of what used to be their countries.

    I had been reading Unz and my mind was full of the “social construct” nonsense. At the time it just struck me as bizarre that I could actually see the biological reality of race.

  79. Anonymous[536] • Disclaimer says:

    Watched the France-USA footie in a crowded sports bar. Lot of fun actually. Yeah, there are a few of the chicks that look dyke (like the pink haired Star Wars looking lady). But a lot of them look very girl next door running around with their pony tails flopping. And the footie was actually pretty decent.

  80. @Alden
    Santa Clara gets a lot of the Stanford rejects. Good school for useful contacts if you plan to stay in the Bay Area.

    Bellarmine Prep started life (in 1851) as the high school division of the then Santa Clara College.
    By 1962, when I entered the place, it was generally understood that only the real locals (mostly the San Jose set, themselves mostly Italian in background) seriously contemplated Santa Clara as their next and normally final rung on the educational ladder. The rest of us would have considered even applying to Santa Clara, much less actually going there, as an admission of irredeemable mediocrity.
    So those who wanted a safety net would usually apply to the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation and was, after all, in San Francisco rather than the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days.
    I doubt, in other words, that failed Stanford applicants find Santa Clara an attractive second best -unless, as you suggest, they are determined to stay in Silicon Valley come what may.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days
     
    Was?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation
     
    Their soccer squad did have a stellar reputation in the 1960s. Up their with fellow Jesuit St Louis U and formerly Lutheran (and formerly "Warriors") Hartwick.

    That was before the big schools discovered the game. They were the Canton Bulldogs and Fort Wayne Pistons of NCAA soccer.

    The Jesuit schools are still the Dons (for now) and Billikens.

    https://usfdons.com/sports/2013/2/5/Mkt%20and%20Promo_0205130547.aspx


    Oh, and

    http://thesantaclara.org/meet-chippy-santa-claras-new-mascot/#.XRatLtFOm2c

  81. Someone once said that “writing about music” is like “dancing about architecture.”

    “Having personal feeling about science” might be in the same category as well.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @guest
    The having of feelings is one thing. It'd be great if they'd stop trying to communicate these feelings.

    This entire thing could have been reduced to an eyebrow raise with side of "giiiiiiiirl, watch yo'self."
  82. @Andy
    I'm amazed a respected publication like Nature would publish such a blatantly antiscientific review

    I’m amazed a respected publication like Nature would publish such a blatantly antiscientific review

    Hah, they’ve been “converged” for a long time. Now, for the most part, it’s all “global warming” all the time, and lobbying politicians.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  83. @Old Palo Altan
    Bellarmine Prep started life (in 1851) as the high school division of the then Santa Clara College.
    By 1962, when I entered the place, it was generally understood that only the real locals (mostly the San Jose set, themselves mostly Italian in background) seriously contemplated Santa Clara as their next and normally final rung on the educational ladder. The rest of us would have considered even applying to Santa Clara, much less actually going there, as an admission of irredeemable mediocrity.
    So those who wanted a safety net would usually apply to the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation and was, after all, in San Francisco rather than the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days.
    I doubt, in other words, that failed Stanford applicants find Santa Clara an attractive second best -unless, as you suggest, they are determined to stay in Silicon Valley come what may.

    the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days

    Was?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I only hesitated to add that myself because I haven't been there in decades.

    I'm happy to take your implied word that the slumber continues.
  84. @vinteuil
    I was fortunate enough to catch Edward Dutton's full "Jolly Heretic" podcast on Superior before YouTube deleted it. The Quarterly Review piece captures the substance, but Dutton is one of those rare talents who needs to be seen & heard live to be fully appreciated. He's absolutely hilarious, in addition to being whip smart.

    Oh, and - his frequent side-kick, Michael Woodley of Menie, plays the perfect straight man in their joint comedy act.

    Yes, they are very funny. The long dissection of Jordan Peterson is well worth a watch.

  85. @International Jew

    the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days
     
    Was?

    I only hesitated to add that myself because I haven’t been there in decades.

    I’m happy to take your implied word that the slumber continues.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    Do you still know the way to San Jose?
  86. @Hypnotoad666
    Someone once said that "writing about music" is like "dancing about architecture."

    "Having personal feeling about science" might be in the same category as well.

    The having of feelings is one thing. It’d be great if they’d stop trying to communicate these feelings.

    This entire thing could have been reduced to an eyebrow raise with side of “giiiiiiiirl, watch yo’self.”

  87. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    PC is the new religion. From holy writ to Poli-Writ. The truth has been pre-written, and we are to just nod along.

  88. @J
    The whole thing is idiotic, but the worst is

    Francis Galton and other evil people
     
    . What can I say? Galton founded statistics, truly Satan's science. But Dalton was the worst, he discovered the science of colors; before him, people were not colored.

    Statistics includes Per Capita, and we all know Per Capita is the worst evil ever to befall peoples of color.

    It is strange how comfortable people feel about casually throwing around the word evil about a man who lived what is to them probably an obscure life. The line on Galton is: “fingerprints, related to Darwin, something something, Hitler.” But what are those somethings exactly?

    I’ve been tempted to call well-meaning scientific figure Norman Borlaug evil. Because of the consequences of his achievements, though frankly I don’t know much of the nuts and bolts of what he did. And no, it’s not because I’m racist against Iowans. I’m racist against Wisconsinites. My own father was Iowan.

    Point being, I could articulate roughly how Borlaug wrought evil. What is it Galton did, exactly? Eugenics? In our world of Biblical-plague levels of abortion how could that possibly matter? Racism? Everyone before two seconds ago was racist.

  89. @petit bourgeois
    She's a biological anthropologist and should know that a competent molecular biologist can determine race from a sample of DNA with some precision. This is how they find serial killers if the cops don't touch the "race doesn't exist" falsehood and actually employ a molecular biologist.

    Why send your kids to Santa Clara University when they are being taught politically correct lies instead of actual science? What a waste of tuition money. This "professor" is akin to Lysenko growing citrus trees in Moscow. We know how that worked out.

    As an undergrad I bought the whole Richard Lewontin lie that race does not exist. Razib Khan set me straight in 2002.

    Actually, the cops couldn’t care less about determining race from DNA. That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions. They use the family-finder type DNA to locate relatives, from whose other relatives a suspect who was in the right area at the right time can be identified. Relatives who are not the same race will do just as well – relatedness is determined by the length of the shared pieces of DNA. If you’re white, you’d share longer stretches of DNA with a black 2nd cousin than with a white 3rd cousin (on average).

    • Replies: @res

    That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions.
     
    Because all crimes have eyewitnesses available.
  90. @bomag
    I guess the latest five year plan to enforce radical egalitarianism is not going so well, so good party members like Robin Nelsen must work even harder to get the rabble to not notice what they see every day.

    Yup. “Who ya gonna believe? Me, or your lyin’ eyes?”

  91. @Kratoklastes
    So either Robin Nelson doesn't own a mirror, or doesn't know how to use one. If she did (own a mirror) or could (use a mirror) she would notice very obvious physical regularities that are observed in 'people like her' that differ - predictably - from people like Ted Bundy or Scarlett Johannsen or Xi Jinping or the Dalai Lama.

    The notion that there is no biological difference between African humans and European, Asian, Indian (dot or feather), or Chinese (take-away or dine-in), or Polynesian, or Inuit... that assertion is so staggeringly idiotic, so preposterous, that anyone who repeats the assertion disqualifies themselves from being taken seriously.

    Obviously there are times when it gets close to a corner - for example you would not immediately recognise me as part-Polynesian... but that's because the 'part' that is Polynesian is ~1/4 . But even that is conceding too much ground to these fuckwits.

    Why? Easy - humans know how to DNA test, and DNA tests of part-Maori people reliably return correct classifications (i.e., they return the conclusions that the person in question is part-Maori), whereas samples from people who look like Ms Nelson show something very different (and the machine not fucking guessing "Oh, maybe Shropshire? Maybe Scandinavia somewhere?).

    This shows that people who claim that race is a social construct ... are bullshitting.

    There is no other word for it: they are flapping their face-meat and producing a set of noises that they think will advance their side of the argument, with literally zero regard as to whether the noises they're making are true or not. They are relying on the audience being too stupid to think for 3 seconds and notice that people fall into biologically-identifiable groups.

    The most basic image classifier can be trained to discriminate between different types of human faces, using as few as 500 images: if the input data is correctly classified, the machine will never classify any subsequent African face as a fucking Eskimo.

    And yes, if the person under scrutiny is a bitzer ('bitzer this, bitzer that'... like me), it might turn out that they take after their white bits; hard to tell, since my white bits are a Heinz-57 mélange of Spaniard, Dane, Finn, French, German and Irish (races who are just as crazy as Maori).

    Scarlett Johannsen…

    my white bits are a Heinz-57 mélange of Spaniard, Dane, Finn, French, German…

    Your German and Danish strains are showing. It’s Johansson. Her father is from Denmark, but his father is a Swede, and they kept the Swedish spelling.

    …and Irish (races who are just as crazy as Maori).

    Both like rugby. As do the Welsh, Scots, French, Boers, and Argentines.

    Gives them license to beat up on the hated English.

  92. @dearieme
    boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister . .

    Oh balls. If it happened in Britain they threw stones at them.

    Ten year olds throwing rocks stones is quite unexceptional behavior. In northern climes, we also threw a lot of snowballs.

    Where’s my book contract?

  93. @Ozymandias
    "boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister..."

    Or my sister and I even. Didn't people used to master grade school English before writing books? Have editors gone extinct?

    “my sister and I” would be incorrect.

  94. @HonestBl
    My guess is that he is trying to stay low key. People like him, Richard Haeir, and Robert Plomin are next on the list when it comes to purging. Any public statement they make put their careers in extreme danger.

    Haier and Plomin are now in emeritus territory, unlikely they would be targets because they could just retire. Reich on the other hand is quite a bit younger, and works at Moscow on the Charles, so he has to tread very lightly.

  95. @peterike
    Ms. Nelson, a gift to America from the Caribbean, and who has a very white husband, is yet another ungrateful foreigner who seeks to lecture us about race. Which does not exist.

    Yet here Ms. Nelson is portraying herself, in her words, with "4 black women." Well how can that be?

    https://twitter.com/robingnelson/status/1111451295011999745


    PS - Steve, the review is in Nature, not Science.

    I wonder–did she write “4 Black women” because their skin color randomly, as a coincidence, turned out to be black, or is she describing a racial distinction…

  96. @guest
    "The Taint That Lingers"

    How did they get a copy of my experimental gay porno student film?

    That’s spelled tain’t.

    As in, “tain’t […], tain’t […] , but the meat in the middle”. I got so sick of that “meme” in the ’70s. And it was still hetero then, like the rainbow.

    • Replies: @guest
    I was going for the double-meaning, you see. Because art.
  97. There’s more variation within cars than between monster trucks and cars, ergo cars and monster trucks are the same.

  98. Hawaii seems to have done a lot better than Puerto Rico, so one wonders if the latter had been given statehood, it would now be growing avocados for the mainland and have a tourist industry like that of Cuba before Castro.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Or give PR their own independence... It's of no particular use or strategic necessity to keep it as a territory--and it's effectively a foreign country.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    and have a tourist industry like that of Cuba before Castro.
     
    But not a Triple-A ballclub. The International League lived up to its name, with clubs in the US, Canada, and Cuba, long before the majors crossed the border.

    Puerto Rico was known for abortion tourism fifty years ago. It was illegal there, too, but the authorities looked the other way.

    http://i0.wp.com/mopupduty.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/havana_sugar_kings.jpg
  99. @Reg Cæsar
    That's spelled tain't.

    As in, "tain't [...], tain't [...] , but the meat in the middle". I got so sick of that "meme" in the '70s. And it was still hetero then, like the rainbow.

    I was going for the double-meaning, you see. Because art.

  100. @Old Palo Altan
    I only hesitated to add that myself because I haven't been there in decades.

    I'm happy to take your implied word that the slumber continues.

    Do you still know the way to San Jose?

    • LOL: Old Palo Altan
  101. @William Badwhite

    4 Black women BioAnthros bump into each other at the bar 🙌🏾
     
    I wonder if the rest of the tweet included "where we ordered Apple-tinis and Courvoisier & Cokes, shrieked loudly saying 'oh no he di-int' and 'muthafuggah' every third word disturbing all the other patrons, then didn't tip"?

    Pitch-perfect. Bravo!

  102. @Ozymandias
    "boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister..."

    Or my sister and I even. Didn't people used to master grade school English before writing books? Have editors gone extinct?

    Or even ‘my sister and me’.

  103. @Old Palo Altan
    Bellarmine Prep started life (in 1851) as the high school division of the then Santa Clara College.
    By 1962, when I entered the place, it was generally understood that only the real locals (mostly the San Jose set, themselves mostly Italian in background) seriously contemplated Santa Clara as their next and normally final rung on the educational ladder. The rest of us would have considered even applying to Santa Clara, much less actually going there, as an admission of irredeemable mediocrity.
    So those who wanted a safety net would usually apply to the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation and was, after all, in San Francisco rather than the utter dullsville which San Jose was in those far off days.
    I doubt, in other words, that failed Stanford applicants find Santa Clara an attractive second best -unless, as you suggest, they are determined to stay in Silicon Valley come what may.

    the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation

    Their soccer squad did have a stellar reputation in the 1960s. Up their with fellow Jesuit St Louis U and formerly Lutheran (and formerly “Warriors”) Hartwick.

    That was before the big schools discovered the game. They were the Canton Bulldogs and Fort Wayne Pistons of NCAA soccer.

    The Jesuit schools are still the Dons (for now) and Billikens.

    https://usfdons.com/sports/2013/2/5/Mkt%20and%20Promo_0205130547.aspx

    Oh, and

    http://thesantaclara.org/meet-chippy-santa-claras-new-mascot/#.XRatLtFOm2c

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Thank you. I am always interested in Jesuit news, particularly from the old days.

    But surely Santa Clara's new mascot is already out-of-date? It looks even to my untutored eye like something from the very infancy of computer graphics.

  104. @Lagertha
    OT: the killer of the female Student in SLC:

    https://www.modelmanagement.com/model/ayoola-ajayi/
  105. @Jonathan Mason
    Hawaii seems to have done a lot better than Puerto Rico, so one wonders if the latter had been given statehood, it would now be growing avocados for the mainland and have a tourist industry like that of Cuba before Castro.

    Or give PR their own independence… It’s of no particular use or strategic necessity to keep it as a territory–and it’s effectively a foreign country.

  106. @Jonathan Mason
    Hawaii seems to have done a lot better than Puerto Rico, so one wonders if the latter had been given statehood, it would now be growing avocados for the mainland and have a tourist industry like that of Cuba before Castro.

    and have a tourist industry like that of Cuba before Castro.

    But not a Triple-A ballclub. The International League lived up to its name, with clubs in the US, Canada, and Cuba, long before the majors crossed the border.

    Puerto Rico was known for abortion tourism fifty years ago. It was illegal there, too, but the authorities looked the other way.

  107. @Tulip
    "those “race realists”, who continue to search for a biological component of race"

    Arabic is culturally constructed, and I know of no way to determine if someone speaks Arabic by taking a genetic sample. In contrast, sickle cell anemia is biological, and I can tell if someone has the condition from a genetic sample. Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person's ancestry from a genetic sample?

    Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person’s ancestry from a genetic sample?

    You are to conclude that people like her cannot determine a person’s ancestry from a genetic sample.

    And because SHE cannot make such a determination, geneticists must not be allowed to make such a determination either.

    • Replies: @Nehlen
    Name a time when this wasn’t the case when hand-picked-and-coddled-POC encounter whites with IQ 30-70 points higher than their own...must seem like meeting space aliens.
  108. @Ozymandias
    "boys from my school threw rocks at me and my sister..."

    Or my sister and I even. Didn't people used to master grade school English before writing books? Have editors gone extinct?

    Sorry, Ozymandias old bean, but “threw rocks at me and my sister” is correct. Consider “threw rocks at me.” You wouldn’t write “threw rocks at I,” would you? Adding “and [at] my sister” does not change that.

    However, Sainis’ writings do display plenty of solecisms. Her work demonstrates that political correctness is more important than writing skill, and incidentally that her editors are not very effective either.

  109. @Blodg
    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck

    Which Elvis?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Grbac?
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'll bet he won't even apologize!
  110. @JackOH
    OT: I'm seeing a $17+ trillion figure for "slave reparations" on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.

    As everyone here knows, slavery was abolished by force of arms and Constitutional amendment, the economic and political costs of which were mostly borne by White folks. I saw no deduction for that on the simple graphic I saw.

    Anyone know anything more?

    OT: I’m seeing a $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations” on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.

    This get one over on whitey scam has morphed into reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. Presumably because of the anti-reparations argument, that no one living today was a slave. Similar to global warming morphing into climate change.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Clyde, we'll have to see how mainstream media and specialist opinion pubs, like UR, play that $17 trillion number and what it could mean. My gut feeling right now is it spells a mess of divisive and contentious trouble for goddamned near everyone, White and Black, except the hustlers who've cooked up this scheme.
  111. @Sextus Empiricus
    She is kind of cute (Angie, not Robin) in a Japanese sex robot sort of way...


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg/1200px-Angela_Saini_photo.jpeg


    Maybe a little more makeup and she could be licensed for South Asian and Low-T White Beta Tech Guy markets.

    You can see the pain in the eyes though. You can see that she is going to be incessantly re-telling you sad stories from her childhood and young adulthood, while you quietly smile and wonder why the F anyone would spend so much time obsessing over a past that cannot be changed.

    Maybe that will be the big appeal of the sex robots - no history.

    Whoa whoa whoa…hold up…

    Much like the boat:

    The carmelitas are mine.

    The carmelitas are MINE!

  112. As a Briton, I think the Romans should pay reparations for tribal property seized to build roads.

  113. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Boy, that article was poorly written but that's the least of its problems. By the way, Oliver's Army is probably the greatest song ever written that contains the N-word. On a side note, Elvis got into a world of trouble when around 1981 he was caught using that very worst of words to describe Ray Charles (along with the modifier "blind" and "ignorant") and iirc James Brown. That's a minor scandal that's ripe for re-exploitation. Not sure if Elvis supports Brexit, though I doubt he does, but for his sake he'd better not.

    Elvis Costello & Questlove in Conversation Part 2 “The Elephant in the Room”

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    Thanks for posting this because I've wondered what the Roots guys thought about that little chapter of Elvis's history or if they even knew about it. I got the date wrong but I was aware of Elvis's "I was being ironic" defense. I for one have completely accepted his apology!
  114. “Research has repeatedly shown that race is not a scientifically valid concept. … Yet, despite its lack of scientific rigour or reproducibility, this reliance on race as a biological concept persists in fields from genetics to medicine….”

    I’m unfamiliar with what Ms. Nelson’s personal “research” has shown, or hidden, for that matter. But genome testing has shown that Neanderthal derived ancestry is absent from most modern populations in sub-Saharan Africa. Perhaps she should take pride and comfort in knowing she, and others of her race, are likely much more human than most?

  115. @jim jones
    I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said "Yes, you look Chinese". Blank faces all around.

    “I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said “Yes, you look Chinese”. Blank faces all around.”

    Jim, hopefully the introduction was of no lasting import.

    If introduced to another asian person, man or woman, and the intent is to leave a favorable impression; I would suggest one say they look Japanese, regardless of what/who they look like. Can’t go wrong, even if they reply that they downright hate the “damn Japanese”, they’ll have been a little flattered by the comment.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    At least I didn`t say anything about her chopsticks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIAyW37UsIc
  116. @Steve Sailer
    Which Elvis?

    I’ll bet he won’t even apologize!

  117. @MEH 0910
    Elvis Costello & Questlove in Conversation Part 2 "The Elephant in the Room"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mG-xVLjR0g

    Thanks for posting this because I’ve wondered what the Roots guys thought about that little chapter of Elvis’s history or if they even knew about it. I got the date wrong but I was aware of Elvis’s “I was being ironic” defense. I for one have completely accepted his apology!

  118. I just got the book. Saini has a real problem handling David Reich, who is brilliant, honest, nuanced, and, after all, liberal.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Depends on the "we." On this question we do indeed have a critical mass to carry on with actual science if not enough of one to popularize it yet without running it by the party minders. That said, we can always create a distraction and sneak by as necessary - they're not the sharpest tools in the shed.

    Those are reserved for cracking down on any signs of nationalism or tradition.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    I thought this when I first started reading Pinker in the early 2000's, I thought the academic anti-science left would soon be on it's way out. Now over a decade later you have bestselling social science books arguing that sex differences are wholly imaginary and have nothing to do with biology, it turns out as Greg Cochran has said " Barking mad craziness apparently doesn't need to defend itself ". The academic/intellectual left owns the megaphone, "we" do not, there is no marketplace of ideas anymore, if there ever was.

    , @vinteuil

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.
     
    Anytime you find yourself "wondering" if some sort of obvious insanity has run its course, the answer is: "no - it hasn't, yet."

    You will know that the end is near by this sign: that you yourself have given up all hope.
  119. Robin Nelson is in the Department of Anthropology

    Opinion invalidated

    Purge academia

  120. There is a new David Reich et alia paper on the scientific analysis of races (aka ancestral population groups) using genetic data; the unpublished preprint is generating considerable interest in the human genetics research community. See this twitter chain for details:

    This is the type of science that Saini claims does not exist.

  121. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Blodg
    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck

    Wrong Elvis.

  122. @Clyde

    OT: I’m seeing a $17+ trillion figure for “slave reparations” on one of those Yahoo front page articles. Not sure of the source or its reliability.
     
    This get one over on whitey scam has morphed into reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. Presumably because of the anti-reparations argument, that no one living today was a slave. Similar to global warming morphing into climate change.

    Clyde, we’ll have to see how mainstream media and specialist opinion pubs, like UR, play that $17 trillion number and what it could mean. My gut feeling right now is it spells a mess of divisive and contentious trouble for goddamned near everyone, White and Black, except the hustlers who’ve cooked up this scheme.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Clyde, we’ll have to see how mainstream media and specialist opinion pubs, like UR, play that $17 trillion number and what it could mean. My gut feeling right now is it spells a mess of divisive and contentious trouble for goddamned near everyone, White and Black, except the hustlers who’ve cooked up this scheme.
     
    When you compare life in Africa to life in America, American blacks are the most greedy, money grabbing people around. Move to Africa if America is so racist. They have loads of welfare, loads of do nothing Gov't jobs, loads of affirmative action, they get into colleges they don't deserve. And still they complain and complaint and complain. You know they will still be complaining after they get 17 million in reparations. Probably even worse than today.
  123. @Reg Cæsar

    the Jesuit college in San Francisco which had a better (if by no means stellar) reputation
     
    Their soccer squad did have a stellar reputation in the 1960s. Up their with fellow Jesuit St Louis U and formerly Lutheran (and formerly "Warriors") Hartwick.

    That was before the big schools discovered the game. They were the Canton Bulldogs and Fort Wayne Pistons of NCAA soccer.

    The Jesuit schools are still the Dons (for now) and Billikens.

    https://usfdons.com/sports/2013/2/5/Mkt%20and%20Promo_0205130547.aspx


    Oh, and

    http://thesantaclara.org/meet-chippy-santa-claras-new-mascot/#.XRatLtFOm2c

    Thank you. I am always interested in Jesuit news, particularly from the old days.

    But surely Santa Clara’s new mascot is already out-of-date? It looks even to my untutored eye like something from the very infancy of computer graphics.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Oops. I should have the article before commenting.

    A joke, and not a bad one.

  124. @Old Palo Altan
    Thank you. I am always interested in Jesuit news, particularly from the old days.

    But surely Santa Clara's new mascot is already out-of-date? It looks even to my untutored eye like something from the very infancy of computer graphics.

    Oops. I should have the article before commenting.

    A joke, and not a bad one.

  125. @Kent Nationalist
    It's a different video. The original was just him without the more autistic one.

    It’s a different video. The original was just him without the more autistic one.

    Right. Episode 35 remains in limbo.

  126. @danand

    “I was introduced to a woman from Taiwan recently and jokingly said “Yes, you look Chinese”. Blank faces
    all around.”
     
    Jim, hopefully the introduction was of no lasting import.

    If introduced to another asian person, man or woman, and the intent is to leave a favorable impression; I would suggest one say they look Japanese, regardless of what/who they look like. Can’t go wrong, even if they reply that they downright hate the “damn Japanese”, they’ll have been a little flattered by the comment.

    At least I didn`t say anything about her chopsticks:

  127. In the early 20th century, elites were concerned that masturbation caused blindness and insanity.

    In the early 21st century, elites are concerned that the idea of race causes blindness and insanity. I’m starting to worry that conducting genetic studies may cause hair to grow on your palms.

    Ban fappa and discussions of happa.

  128. @Tulip
    "those “race realists”, who continue to search for a biological component of race"

    Arabic is culturally constructed, and I know of no way to determine if someone speaks Arabic by taking a genetic sample. In contrast, sickle cell anemia is biological, and I can tell if someone has the condition from a genetic sample. Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person's ancestry from a genetic sample?

    Yes!

    Otherwise, you are by her definition a “racist.”

  129. @Blodg
    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck

    Elvis died in ‘77 you ignorant fuck

    The hell you say! I last saw Elvis in the frozen foods section of the Wal-Mart on Highway 72 just outside of Collierville back in the summer of ought-nine. Let me tell you, he’s gained some weight. I wish I could scan and link you to a dated autograph, but I had to get my 3 bricks of .22 rounds, and by that time, Elvis had left the building.

  130. @Grace Jones
    Actually, the cops couldn't care less about determining race from DNA. That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions. They use the family-finder type DNA to locate relatives, from whose other relatives a suspect who was in the right area at the right time can be identified. Relatives who are not the same race will do just as well - relatedness is determined by the length of the shared pieces of DNA. If you're white, you'd share longer stretches of DNA with a black 2nd cousin than with a white 3rd cousin (on average).

    That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions.

    Because all crimes have eyewitnesses available.

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    I'll grant you that point. But knowing only that the perp is black or white doesn't get you very far down the trail.
  131. http://thesantaclara.org/voices-of-santa-clara-robin-nelson/

    Voices of Santa Clara: Robin Nelson
    by Gavin Cosgrave
    April 7, 2019

    The following is an entry in a series called “Voices of Santa Clara,” which profiles noteworthy students and faculty. The Q & A is excerpted from the “Voices of Santa Clara” podcast.

    ******
    GC: How do you navigate the debate between equality and scientific differences between people?

    RN: One of the things we talk about a lot in the class is how much difference is actually meaningful, and what differences are not so meaningful but have been inscribed with social or cultural value.

    We say things like “men are taller than women” or “men are stronger than women.” Most people would assume that those are well accepted biological facts. When you look at men and women’s heights around the world. At the far extremes, you have very short women like me, and very tall men like LeBron James, but for everybody else in the middle there’s quite a lot of overlap. We try to get to the bare bones of what differences are useful for us to think about, and which ones have been given a lot of value because of patriarchal practices.

  132. @JackOH
    Clyde, we'll have to see how mainstream media and specialist opinion pubs, like UR, play that $17 trillion number and what it could mean. My gut feeling right now is it spells a mess of divisive and contentious trouble for goddamned near everyone, White and Black, except the hustlers who've cooked up this scheme.

    Clyde, we’ll have to see how mainstream media and specialist opinion pubs, like UR, play that $17 trillion number and what it could mean. My gut feeling right now is it spells a mess of divisive and contentious trouble for goddamned near everyone, White and Black, except the hustlers who’ve cooked up this scheme.

    When you compare life in Africa to life in America, American blacks are the most greedy, money grabbing people around. Move to Africa if America is so racist. They have loads of welfare, loads of do nothing Gov’t jobs, loads of affirmative action, they get into colleges they don’t deserve. And still they complain and complaint and complain. You know they will still be complaining after they get 17 million in reparations. Probably even worse than today.

  133. …. the search by some scientists for measurable biological differences between ‘races’, despite decades of studies yielding no supporting evidence.

    The lie is self evident: Doesn’t skin – and the melanin contained within – qualify as something that’s “biological?”

    Going further than that, try and find a non-racial physical characteristic that hasn’t been officially studied or researched (in the last 40 years) with regards to a correlation with some other tendency or predisposition. It isn’t easy. Not just head size, but height, finger length, mouth shape, foot size, nose type, trunk length, hip size, shoulder width etc. etc., as well as the relationships many of those those physical characteristics have with other physical characteristics. Some don’t have a correlation with other things, of course, but others do. The physical and the mental have some correlation. That racial physical characteristics should be outside the realm of consideration doesn’t seem rational to this non-scientist.

    If you can tell a lot about the motivations of a scientist or academic by the color of his skin, then maybe that should apply to black as well as white. Seems rational.

  134. @PhysicistDave
    I just got the book. Saini has a real problem handling David Reich, who is brilliant, honest, nuanced, and, after all, liberal.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    Depends on the “we.” On this question we do indeed have a critical mass to carry on with actual science if not enough of one to popularize it yet without running it by the party minders. That said, we can always create a distraction and sneak by as necessary – they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.

    Those are reserved for cracking down on any signs of nationalism or tradition.

  135. @res

    That kind of information is derived from eyewitness descriptions.
     
    Because all crimes have eyewitnesses available.

    I’ll grant you that point. But knowing only that the perp is black or white doesn’t get you very far down the trail.

  136. @PhysicistDave
    I just got the book. Saini has a real problem handling David Reich, who is brilliant, honest, nuanced, and, after all, liberal.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    I thought this when I first started reading Pinker in the early 2000’s, I thought the academic anti-science left would soon be on it’s way out. Now over a decade later you have bestselling social science books arguing that sex differences are wholly imaginary and have nothing to do with biology, it turns out as Greg Cochran has said ” Barking mad craziness apparently doesn’t need to defend itself “. The academic/intellectual left owns the megaphone, “we” do not, there is no marketplace of ideas anymore, if there ever was.

  137. @lavoisier

    Am I to conclude that the author contends that geneticists cannot determine a person’s ancestry from a genetic sample?
     
    You are to conclude that people like her cannot determine a person's ancestry from a genetic sample.

    And because SHE cannot make such a determination, geneticists must not be allowed to make such a determination either.

    Name a time when this wasn’t the case when hand-picked-and-coddled-POC encounter whites with IQ 30-70 points higher than their own…must seem like meeting space aliens.

  138. @PhysicistDave
    I just got the book. Saini has a real problem handling David Reich, who is brilliant, honest, nuanced, and, after all, liberal.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    I wonder if the anti-science crowd has gone too far in attacking Reich. Perhaps we are at peak outrage and can now start to concentrate on the actual science that will be coming in during the next few decades.

    Anytime you find yourself “wondering” if some sort of obvious insanity has run its course, the answer is: “no – it hasn’t, yet.”

    You will know that the end is near by this sign: that you yourself have given up all hope.

  139. OT-
    Even though the NYT has continued with their Emmett Till referencing through the years, increasingly so in the 2010’s, don’t be confused about his celebrity- or how to employ it. The Chicago White Sox found this out the hard way after including a Till image on the score board video screen while honoring iconic Chicagoans. From Chicago Sun Times:

    “It was done as a list of famous and iconic Chicagoans, so the person who did it felt like Emmett Till is an iconic face of kind of the civil rights movement in Chicago,” said Scott Reifert, the Sox’s senior vice president, communications.” “I pointed out that, probably in retrospect, it’s poor form. We talked about it. He regretted it. Certainly, he admitted it was a mistake. The intent certainly wasn’t to insult anybody, not Emmett Till by any means.”

    Apparently the “Till Reference Committee” at the Gray Lady was not consulted.

  140. Robin Nelson: “But, as Saini notes, when racism is embedded in society’s core structures, such research is born of the same social relations.”

    The only solution? Kill all the white people! And then dig ’em up, and kill ’em again!

  141. @Peter Johnson
    Saini's book "Pivoting deftly from personal reflection to technical exposition" (qoute from Nelson review) is a euphemism for the fact that the Saini book is just one long moralistic fallacy. Saini "scientifically proves" that race does not exist by telling endless cry-baby stories. How does that scientifically prove or disprove anything?

    That’s odd, since you could tell one story after another of racist, black-on-white atrocities, and a Saini would respond by calling you a “racist,” and reducing all of your examples to meaningless “anecdotes.”

    These people have destroyed the language, since even the meaning of a seemingly innocuous word is completely dependent on the identity of the speaker and the respondent, respectively.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    Clarification: These people have destroyed the language, by making the meaning even of a seemingly innocuous word completely dependent on the identities of the speaker and the respondent, respectively.
  142. @Nicholas Stix
    That's odd, since you could tell one story after another of racist, black-on-white atrocities, and a Saini would respond by calling you a "racist," and reducing all of your examples to meaningless "anecdotes."

    These people have destroyed the language, since even the meaning of a seemingly innocuous word is completely dependent on the identity of the speaker and the respondent, respectively.

    Clarification: These people have destroyed the language, by making the meaning even of a seemingly innocuous word completely dependent on the identities of the speaker and the respondent, respectively.

  143. This was Nature, not Science, or at least the URL goes to Nature.com.

  144. @Ozymandias
    We must exclude opinions I disagree with in order to be "inclusive."

    Heh!

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