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From a New York Times book review

How to Be a Jew in the Age of Trump?
By SIMON SCHAMA MARCH 26, 2018

Simon Schama is the author, most recently, of the second volume of “The Story of the Jews.”

(((SEMITISM)))
Being Jewish in America in the Age of Trump
By Jonathan Weisman
238 pp. St. Martin’s Press. $25.99.

Here’s the conclusion of Schama’s review:

There is nothing wrong, as Weisman counsels, with Jews standing shoulder to shoulder with those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism, as Jews like Abraham Joshua Heschel did in the heyday of the civil rights movement. Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” a phrase just deleted from the Immigration Service’s mission statement. And a little davening [saying Jewish liturgical prayers] now and then wouldn’t do any harm.

Jews used to be famous for witty self-awareness. But, other than Larry David, how many Jews in 2018 would notice anything amusing about Professor Schama, a historian for heaven’s sake, demonizing as “tribalist” those American patriots who don’t believe that the fundamental ideal of American Constitutional democracy is a “nation of immigrants”?

 
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  1. Or how about the “integrity of the democratic process” being extolled as a founding principal? The founders understood the problems with said process. Hence, a Constitution to protect the rights of individuals and minorities.

    But WWI and II turned America into the protector of “democracy.” So that’s who we are now.

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  2. And isn’t Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

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    Brit-ish...

    King George has many strange subjects...
    , @Kevin in Ohio
    (((British)))
    , @bjondo
    The Jew nose goes wherever needed.
    , @George
    From Jolly Ole England:

    The Crisis Between Jeremy Corbyn and British Jews Has Reached Boiling Point

    Corbyn’s support of anti-Semitic mural in 2012 has come back to haunt him, and the Jewish community has had enough of the Labour Party leader’s tolerance

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-crisis-between-jeremy-corbyn-and-u-k-jews-has-reached-boiling-point-1.5944212

    There is almost a quota for complaints if it were not Trump it would be something else.

    :Labour MP thinks Israel belongs in Nebraska:

    Labour MP Naz Shah apologises for backing 'relocate Israel to North America' plan
    She made the post on social media before becoming an MP

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-naz-shah-apologises-for-backing-relocate-israel-to-north-america-plan-a7001406.html

    , @JR Kipling
    The UK, latgely due the University enforcement of Cultural Marxism is a sinking island with little hope of recovery Professor Shama's work there is just about done. As a universalist Jew bent on "repairing the world" Shama is moving on to fight the final battle against any form of white identity. Namely the USA. He was active in the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia. His lifes work will be done when the USA falls.
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  3. I stopped listening to the Kevin Pollak podcast, largely because he and, often, his Jewish guests were vocally, internally, interminably self-aware of their self-awareness of their, oh BTW, did you hear? They’re Jews! After repeatedly slapping my head and groaning, “Oy,” it hit me that I was becoming a Jew. Fled. Wasn’t expelled, if that’s what you’re thinking.

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    Oy vey, Maria!
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  4. It is said that rather than the winners writing the history books, it is the writers of history books who write the history books. Realistically the publishers also determine which history books end up being read.

    If you want to add an extra layer of defence in depth, the writers of history books should also set the history book reading list and make sure a lot of the exam questions reference the material covered in the lectures, if you are worried about them venturing off the reading list.

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  5. Some Jews are their own worst characterture. Schama is one. See here for instance: https://goo.gl/Uh9ndF

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    Simon Schama reminds me of Evelyn Waugh's Lord Brideshead, whose convoluted and topsy-turvy attempts to argue on behalf of Catholicism only manage to make his beloved religion appear utterly absurd to sensible folk who had no other objections before Bridey opened his mouth. There exist at least somewhat-sensible arguments that might be proffered in defense of Schama's positions (which is not to say they're right), but Schama invariably gravitates instead toward something that sounds like a parody written by Kevin MacDonald.
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  6. While I’ll agree that “things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants” were at one time what characterized life in America, I must regrettably conclude that those things are no longer possible now because Jews have destroyed them.

    Jews chose our representatives and Senators so they are to be held accountable for the loss of “democratic process”. Jews dominate the Supreme Court and are disproportionately represented as both Judges and Lawyers in our legal system and are to be held accountable for the loss of “protections of the Constitution”. Jews backing unregulated immigration have undermined the security of the American worker which has made the ideal of a “nation of immigrants” a cruel taunt to the unemployed.

    But the Jews have indeed “prospered to a degree unique in the world”. In fact the degree to which they have prospered, others have suffered. Funny that.

    As for being a Jew in the age of Trump, that’s easy. Deny everything. Feign innocence. Attack the most vulnerable.

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    Sorry, but you don't seem to understand how this 'Jewish Power' thing works. All of the things we like, we have powerful Jews to thank for. All of the things we don't like, are the fault of everyone except for powerful Jews. Also, if you have thought about these things, or even read this post, you are an anti-semite nazi who deserves to die.
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  7. The whole “nation of immigrants” meme was cooked up by the Ashkenazi Jews who flooded in here between 1880 and 1920. They even had lines from an old Emma Lazarus poem installed on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty where it was put in 1903. The statue itself had no prior connection to unlimited immigration, a practice that was wisely ended by the American people in 1924.

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  8. Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution

    Yeah, the Jews are really out there aggressively defending the right to keep and bear arms: Schumer, Feinstein, Blumenthal, Cardin, Schiff, Israel, Nadler, Schakowsky, Bloomberg… good NRA members, all of them.

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    The billionaire witch Feinstein has been carrying a concealed pistol since 1960.

    It’s for her personal protection
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  9. “and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” ”

    (((They))) were sparse at the founding and just wanted to add their 2 shekels?

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    "(((They))) were sparse at the founding"

    Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so.

    This doesn't deny the very real propensity of the Jewish community to advocate positions harmful to the continued existence of American culture and society as we know it. But Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon
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  10. There is nothing wrong, as Weisman counsels, with Jews standing shoulder to shoulder with those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism…

    How about “standing shoulder to shoulder” with those most damaged by tribal -ism? That would be American Citizens.

    Apparently Weisman and Schama can’t see how that would be good for the tribe.

    There would be no need for “tribalist populism” if there were no tribalism — tribalism that is aimed like a gun at White Gentiles and their homelands.

    We are not a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of Citizens descended from pioneers who wrote the Constitution to secure the blessings of Liberty for themselves and for their Posterity, for us.

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  11. Would it be rude to suggest that the answer to his headline is “Lots and lots of kvetching.”?

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  12. How about being a good Liberal and denouncing Trump for favoring Zionists over Palestinians.

    US needs to treat all peoples equally since Liberal Jews say that’s what America is all about.

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  13. What a laugh to see the book is called (((SEMITISM))), with the echo brackets. A tiny, disorganized, rambling, amateurish and often obnoxious podcast can have that much of an effect on them? Just more proof how much modern Jews need and crave anti-Semitism as the one thing that gives them meaning. Here’s the lovely and talented Kurt Eichenwald feeding his hunger for “hate”:

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    • Replies: @anon
    Jim is the best! I can't wait for his video tomorrow!

    In the meantime, we can wait for how he's going to handle the latest MeToo incident, involving Dan Schneider.

    "But along with all his success, for years Schneider had been under a cloud of suspicion over the treatment of some younger stars of his shows. Among the things that have raised eyebrows are his tweeted photos of the toes of his young female stars."

    http://deadline.com/2018/03/nickelodeon-tv-series-producer-dan-schneider-part-ways-1202353698/#respond

    For anyone wondering, yes, he is.

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  14. I tried one of Schama’s books once. He spent about a hundred pages talking about some forest in Poland, and I decided he had a second-rate mind, and he was the sort who became distracted as a small child by unimportant details.

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  15. More upper Class kvetching, Jewiush edition. We all live on the frontier noiew, a jihad attack here, forced child prostitution and rape there, street crime everywhere and tent cities everywhere.

    That’s not changing and turning very rapidly soy boi cube dwellers into secret Paul Jerseys.

    Look at gun sales. No onbe is buying what Schama has to sell.

    Typos artifact of tablet.

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    More upper Class kvetching, Jewish edition.
     
    A persons real opinions leak out are when they are riled up and emotional:
    https://youtu.be/5rCJN7_IiFM

    Schama’s biggest insult here is ‘suburban’. He can’t help himself...

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  16. It’s okay to be goy?

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    My baby he don't talk sweet
    He ain't got much to say
    But he loves me, loves me, loves me
    I know that he loves me anyway
    And maybe he don't dress fine
    But I don't really mind
    Because every time he pulls me near
    I just want to cheer
    Let's hear it for the Goy!
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  17. Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” a phrase just deleted from the Immigration Service’s mission statement.

    Get WOKE, bigots. The “nation of immigrants” thing is an integral part of what defines America. It actually dates all the way back to 1958….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nation_of_Immigrants

    So, really, as a founding document, it deserves to be set alongside stuff like The Mayflower Compact (1620),”A Model of Christian Charity” (1630), the Declaration of Independence (1776), The Federalist Papers (1787-88), the Constitution (1787)…..

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  18. I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism. If only all this could be discussed and spread in as wide a forum as possible without being spiked by the Holohoax nutsos and Protocols fans, thereby making it false and noxious to the larger public. What we see in action, plainly, daily, is not an evolutionary strategy or fanciful conspiracy of Julius Streicher cartoons, but a self-destroying Tikkun Olam psychosis, idiocy indeed that seems to infect a Jewish soccer mom as much as it does the Jewish Cambridge-Oxford CBE’s.

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    • Replies: @Moses

    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism.
     
    Don't be amazed. It's a feature, not a bug.

    Jews *need* anti-jewishism as a means to foster clear in-group/out-group barriers and reinforce in-group unity. So they evolved beliefs and behavior that perpetually create it (like the golfocaust). Real or imagined anti-jewishism, it doesn't matter. Both are useful.

    Without real or imagined anti-jewishism, jews as a group would fade away. Multiple Kristallnachts are always just around the corner. Jews haven't survived as a distinct ethnic and genetic group for 3,000 years for nothing.

    It's genius, actually. Natural selection as applied to group behavior.

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  19. Accidentally nick a Leftist, expect a gusher of dishonesty, hypocrisy and virtue signalling. Do the same for a Leftist Jew and expect amplified versions of the same. Simon Schama must have been Simeon the Shaman. This has all the trappings of zealotry combined with blinkered self-righteousness then leavened with the horse-sh!ttery that insists on Open Borders ™ as the way to enlightenment.

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  20. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    How to be a Jew in the Age of Trump….

    Okay, if Trumpism is about nationalism and identity, and if that is BAD and if Jews are liberals opposed to identity and tribalism, then the proper way to be a liberal Jew is to drop the Jewishness altogether and just join with rest of humanity.

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  21. @Max Denken
    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism. If only all this could be discussed and spread in as wide a forum as possible without being spiked by the Holohoax nutsos and Protocols fans, thereby making it false and noxious to the larger public. What we see in action, plainly, daily, is not an evolutionary strategy or fanciful conspiracy of Julius Streicher cartoons, but a self-destroying Tikkun Olam psychosis, idiocy indeed that seems to infect a Jewish soccer mom as much as it does the Jewish Cambridge-Oxford CBE's.

    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism.

    Don’t be amazed. It’s a feature, not a bug.

    Jews *need* anti-jewishism as a means to foster clear in-group/out-group barriers and reinforce in-group unity. So they evolved beliefs and behavior that perpetually create it (like the golfocaust). Real or imagined anti-jewishism, it doesn’t matter. Both are useful.

    Without real or imagined anti-jewishism, jews as a group would fade away. Multiple Kristallnachts are always just around the corner. Jews haven’t survived as a distinct ethnic and genetic group for 3,000 years for nothing.

    It’s genius, actually. Natural selection as applied to group behavior.

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    This.
    , @Mishra
    You need look no further than your nearest case of office politics to realize that nothing binds people together more securely than a common enemy. If you have no such common enemy, the first thing to do is to create one.
    , @Max Denken
    I don't think the continuity you make is valid. The period staring about 200 AD and ending about 1850 in the West and 1920 in Eastern Europe has a different dynamics in this matter than the period after. Jews were an in-group with survival strategies, first because of white environment's hostility on religious ground, "Christ killers," pogroms, blood libels etc. That ultimately produced their great contribution to the Bolshevik revolution in Europe's most antisemitic and fanatically pious Orthodox country, Czarist Russia. You can't blame the egg that came out of the chicken but in terms of the relationship between the two. Tendentious cherry-picking of history is ultimately self-bamboozlement.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large "evolutionary strategy" group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.

    On the other hand, if you look at American, Canadian and other Western Jews starting in the 1950s, any theory implying "strategy," in-group, out-group etc. falls apart. Supporting so fanatically the most anti-Semitic group, the Blacks, or the great anti-Semites' importing cause, immigration, cannot be explained in any rational theory except in terms of a group psychosis. Same goes for Western Europe's Jewish orgs' vehement activism against the nationalist, anti-Islamization parties that are also explicitly pro-Israel and anti-antisemitism.

    And as to the in-group, except for the small community of rich Syrian Jews, practically every nonwhite immigrant minority group in the U.S. exhibits that trait far more saliently than the Jews. After all, if you put Shamir, Finkelstein, MondoWeiss, Soros, the J-Street hipsters and many other lefty Jews in the same room with the Neocons and the Adelsons, and ask them to discuss Israel, blows will be exchanged in no time.
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  22. @Dr. X

    Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution...
     
    Yeah, the Jews are really out there aggressively defending the right to keep and bear arms: Schumer, Feinstein, Blumenthal, Cardin, Schiff, Israel, Nadler, Schakowsky, Bloomberg... good NRA members, all of them.

    The billionaire witch Feinstein has been carrying a concealed pistol since 1960.

    It’s for her personal protection

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    The billionaire witch Feinstein has been carrying a concealed pistol since 1960.

    It’s for her personal protection

     

    But you don't need one, goyim.
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  23. those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism

    Muslims?

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  24. @Anon
    The billionaire witch Feinstein has been carrying a concealed pistol since 1960.

    It’s for her personal protection

    The billionaire witch Feinstein has been carrying a concealed pistol since 1960.

    It’s for her personal protection

    But you don’t need one, goyim.

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  25. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    What a laugh to see the book is called (((SEMITISM))), with the echo brackets. A tiny, disorganized, rambling, amateurish and often obnoxious podcast can have that much of an effect on them? Just more proof how much modern Jews need and crave anti-Semitism as the one thing that gives them meaning. Here's the lovely and talented Kurt Eichenwald feeding his hunger for "hate":

    https://twitter.com/WeWuzMetokur/status/978349965918507008

    Jim is the best! I can’t wait for his video tomorrow!

    In the meantime, we can wait for how he’s going to handle the latest MeToo incident, involving Dan Schneider.

    “But along with all his success, for years Schneider had been under a cloud of suspicion over the treatment of some younger stars of his shows. Among the things that have raised eyebrows are his tweeted photos of the toes of his young female stars.”

    http://deadline.com/2018/03/nickelodeon-tv-series-producer-dan-schneider-part-ways-1202353698/#respond

    For anyone wondering, yes, he is.

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  26. Schama is an effeminate emotional Zionist hypocritical nut.

    I only don’t mind him being a Zionist.

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  27. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    What exactly do normies think when they read these kinds of things in their favorite newspaper? Well, Jews would know all about the evils of nationalism, so let’s pay special attention to them?

    Or do they also think: Wow, these lights unto nations are working tirelessly against even their own interests by spurning tribalism and advocating maximum immigration. Gosh, it’s a good thing we have all these Jews to hold us to our nation’s values. Who knows what would happen!?

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    Most normies try not to connect those dots. The safe route to take is that Jews were the victims of Nazis not that Jews are possibly the most tribal group on the planet along with the Muslims, Chinese and Indian Hindus they prefer to whites.
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  28. What is with this “Age of Trump” business?

    I can’t think of a more ridiculous or pompous phrase. If I’m reading the context right, it seems to be about play-acting. They are pretending as though the establishment isn’t against Trump, that he is a supreme tyrant. They are like wolf cubs growling at each other and prancing, pretending at battling.

    I know one Jewish (half but identifying) musician who literally asked his friends “who will be our Shostakovich?” I mean, that is some sick stuff. Sort of ironic too because they are pinkos.

    They did originally call him a fascist though, so they could all pretend to be fighting Nazis. I’d call it stolen valor, but it seems it is more like kids playing house. Also, increases group solidarity to pretend there’s a great threat.

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  29. For those who haven’t seen it, catch the debate on immigration between Schama and some Canadian woman on the one side and Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage on the other.

    Schama and his moll were pretty much destroyed.

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    It was while viewing that debate that I decided that Schama was a reprehensible individual. As Steyn said, Schama seemed comfortable getting laughs out of the rape of minors.

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-when-mark-steyn-struck-back

    Steyn seemed ready to offer pistols at dawn.

    , @Forbes
    Steyn and Farage were outstanding.
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  30. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    This sounds like a conspiracy straight out of the Protocols.

    Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” a phrase just deleted from the Immigration Service’s mission statement.

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  31. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism.
     
    Don't be amazed. It's a feature, not a bug.

    Jews *need* anti-jewishism as a means to foster clear in-group/out-group barriers and reinforce in-group unity. So they evolved beliefs and behavior that perpetually create it (like the golfocaust). Real or imagined anti-jewishism, it doesn't matter. Both are useful.

    Without real or imagined anti-jewishism, jews as a group would fade away. Multiple Kristallnachts are always just around the corner. Jews haven't survived as a distinct ethnic and genetic group for 3,000 years for nothing.

    It's genius, actually. Natural selection as applied to group behavior.

    This.

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  32. @ThreeCranes
    While I'll agree that "things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants" were at one time what characterized life in America, I must regrettably conclude that those things are no longer possible now because Jews have destroyed them.

    Jews chose our representatives and Senators so they are to be held accountable for the loss of "democratic process". Jews dominate the Supreme Court and are disproportionately represented as both Judges and Lawyers in our legal system and are to be held accountable for the loss of "protections of the Constitution". Jews backing unregulated immigration have undermined the security of the American worker which has made the ideal of a "nation of immigrants" a cruel taunt to the unemployed.

    But the Jews have indeed "prospered to a degree unique in the world". In fact the degree to which they have prospered, others have suffered. Funny that.

    As for being a Jew in the age of Trump, that's easy. Deny everything. Feign innocence. Attack the most vulnerable.

    Sorry, but you don’t seem to understand how this ‘Jewish Power’ thing works. All of the things we like, we have powerful Jews to thank for. All of the things we don’t like, are the fault of everyone except for powerful Jews. Also, if you have thought about these things, or even read this post, you are an anti-semite nazi who deserves to die.

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  33. @Moses

    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism.
     
    Don't be amazed. It's a feature, not a bug.

    Jews *need* anti-jewishism as a means to foster clear in-group/out-group barriers and reinforce in-group unity. So they evolved beliefs and behavior that perpetually create it (like the golfocaust). Real or imagined anti-jewishism, it doesn't matter. Both are useful.

    Without real or imagined anti-jewishism, jews as a group would fade away. Multiple Kristallnachts are always just around the corner. Jews haven't survived as a distinct ethnic and genetic group for 3,000 years for nothing.

    It's genius, actually. Natural selection as applied to group behavior.

    You need look no further than your nearest case of office politics to realize that nothing binds people together more securely than a common enemy. If you have no such common enemy, the first thing to do is to create one.

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    • Replies: @Logan
    Quite right. Which is why it is so counter-productive for the left to keep ramping up its anti-white rhetoric. Many/most white Americans have had no interest in identifying with other white people as such. As anti-white rhetoric and politics keeps getting more extreme, it seems very nearly certain that will change.
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  34. @Whiskey
    More upper Class kvetching, Jewiush edition. We all live on the frontier noiew, a jihad attack here, forced child prostitution and rape there, street crime everywhere and tent cities everywhere.

    That's not changing and turning very rapidly soy boi cube dwellers into secret Paul Jerseys.

    Look at gun sales. No onbe is buying what Schama has to sell.

    Typos artifact of tablet.

    More upper Class kvetching, Jewish edition.

    A persons real opinions leak out are when they are riled up and emotional:

    Schama’s biggest insult here is ‘suburban’. He can’t help himself…

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    I think the adjective you're looking for here is 'twitchy'. Just like Chuck Schumer seems only a few light insults away from total rage. It seems like they are always quietly seething about something, constantly.

    You can see how even in that exchange he seems to be trying to hold something back and the vitriol that comes out is just the spillover.
    , @RonaldB
    The clipping definitely shows Schama as a highly verbal, second-rate intellect who coasts on emotion to push his points.
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  35. @Moses

    I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism.
     
    Don't be amazed. It's a feature, not a bug.

    Jews *need* anti-jewishism as a means to foster clear in-group/out-group barriers and reinforce in-group unity. So they evolved beliefs and behavior that perpetually create it (like the golfocaust). Real or imagined anti-jewishism, it doesn't matter. Both are useful.

    Without real or imagined anti-jewishism, jews as a group would fade away. Multiple Kristallnachts are always just around the corner. Jews haven't survived as a distinct ethnic and genetic group for 3,000 years for nothing.

    It's genius, actually. Natural selection as applied to group behavior.

    I don’t think the continuity you make is valid. The period staring about 200 AD and ending about 1850 in the West and 1920 in Eastern Europe has a different dynamics in this matter than the period after. Jews were an in-group with survival strategies, first because of white environment’s hostility on religious ground, “Christ killers,” pogroms, blood libels etc. That ultimately produced their great contribution to the Bolshevik revolution in Europe’s most antisemitic and fanatically pious Orthodox country, Czarist Russia. You can’t blame the egg that came out of the chicken but in terms of the relationship between the two. Tendentious cherry-picking of history is ultimately self-bamboozlement.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large “evolutionary strategy” group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.

    On the other hand, if you look at American, Canadian and other Western Jews starting in the 1950s, any theory implying “strategy,” in-group, out-group etc. falls apart. Supporting so fanatically the most anti-Semitic group, the Blacks, or the great anti-Semites’ importing cause, immigration, cannot be explained in any rational theory except in terms of a group psychosis. Same goes for Western Europe’s Jewish orgs’ vehement activism against the nationalist, anti-Islamization parties that are also explicitly pro-Israel and anti-antisemitism.

    And as to the in-group, except for the small community of rich Syrian Jews, practically every nonwhite immigrant minority group in the U.S. exhibits that trait far more saliently than the Jews. After all, if you put Shamir, Finkelstein, MondoWeiss, Soros, the J-Street hipsters and many other lefty Jews in the same room with the Neocons and the Adelsons, and ask them to discuss Israel, blows will be exchanged in no time.

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    Thank you for pointing out that Jewish behavior, in contrast to being a unitary, narcissistic expression of in-group loyalty, is actually profoundly self-destructive. And destructive of its host society too, unfortunately.

    I have a slightly different view of the evolution of Jewish intelligence. Note that the scholars of the Torah, Talmud and other works of Jewish law and tradition were the most honored in the Jewish community and the most sought-after prizes for marriage. So naturally, the selection pressures worked in favor of the ability to read, write, and discuss complex legal issues.
    , @AnotherDad

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large “evolutionary strategy” group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.
     
    I know Jews are very committed to these notions. But seriously the goyim did not "produce" these Jewish features. Jews produced their own feature set.

    We goyim are the "normals". The normal "group evolutionary strategy" is essentially "defend yourself and the territory you live off of from outsiders/invaders." I.e.--turn your farm over to your kids.

    During a period of strong *detribalizing* in Europe, where people were merging into simply having their local and then national identities, the Jews took a path of religiously based hyper-separation, endogamy, non-association and outgroup hostility. (Again Jews that didn't want to do this--wanted to just be members of the community--are my ancestors, rather than yours.) And unfortunately--another mistake by greedy elites--were allowed to do it. (They should have been forced to convert and become members of the community or leave.)

    Put simply: The non-integration issue wasn't on the goyim's end, it was on the Jewish end.
    Christianity is a universal religion and was swallowing up and integrating any people it could. I have no idea what Wickermannish stuff my ancestors were doing back in the day but Christianity came, they went with the program along with the other folks in their communities and through the blender ended up as just Irishmen, Englishmen, Germans, when all was said and done.

    I'd bet if a Chinese middle man minority had set up shop in Europe in the 5th century ... we'd all just be a little bit Chinese. The fact that the Jews were able to maintain an aggressive hostility against integration with the normies--bully for you. But that the host population is hostile to you in return, that's just par for the course. Or in simple terms your fault.
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  36. Not so much about Jews necessarily, but the SWPL left in general has turned decisively toward liberalized immigration. This isn’t thought out very well, but it is an important “tribal” marker to the goodthinkers opposed to Trump.

    Trump has moved the Overton Window in our favor, but for a lot of things, especially immigration, our position within the window is worse off for Trump. When Obama created DACA, it was perceived as a desperate, certainly illegitimate, maybe unconstitutional end run around Congress. Now, everybody’s forgotten all about that, and the business about “know no other home” blah blah fills our airwaves.

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  37. Surely the real amusement is that Schama is urging members of his tribe, in a review of a book about his tribe, to act in their tribal interests by opposing “tribalism”?

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    I was trying to come up with something like your comment but couldn't. Steve should award you today's "brevity is the soul of wit" prize.
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  38. I once bought and tried to read Schama’s Citizens about the French Revolution but had to put it aside as tediously ‘clever’ and ‘insightful’ to the point of unreadability. Yet it was praised to the skies in the press.

    Private Eye’s literary reviewer – often a voice of sanity – agreed IIRC by suggesting that most readers will likely give up on it preferring the stronger and more fluent story told in Dickens’s The Tale of Two Cities.

    It may be unfair to quote this from a Guardian interview but here goes:

    As a boy, his father took him to the Tower of London, ‘where he would tell the story of Ann Boleyn being beheaded: ‘It made the hairs go up on the back of my neck’. And all this was intended to be passed on: ‘My father always used to say that a Jew’s only weapon is his mouth.’

    Even the Guardian found it odd that the BBC should choose Schama to make a huge History of Britain series:

    The mantle of making this epic series has been placed on the shoulders of the son of Jewish refugees from the Ottoman Empire who lives in New York, teaches at Columbia and has not practised the history of his native land for decades.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/1999/jan/02/artsfeatures1

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    At least as odd was his own decision to write a book about Rembrandt. Shortly after it came out I happened to be hosting two world class Rembrandt scholars, one Dutch (and my cousin), the other German.
    Not so innocently I just happened to mention Schama's book. Before I could get so far as to ask what they thought of it, both launched into rage-filled denunciations, not only of him and his chutzpah in writing about something he knew nothing about and therefore understood even less, but also of the publishing houses which saw fit to publicise cloying and meaningless pap about perhaps the greatest painter of all time (not my view, but we'll pass on that just now) rather than to do their proper job which, it soon became clear, was to give their own books at least as much publicity as they had given Schama's not even meretricious vapourings.

    That was a good fifteen years ago. How very much worse the old fraud has got since.

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  39. @Anonymous
    What exactly do normies think when they read these kinds of things in their favorite newspaper? Well, Jews would know all about the evils of nationalism, so let's pay special attention to them?

    Or do they also think: Wow, these lights unto nations are working tirelessly against even their own interests by spurning tribalism and advocating maximum immigration. Gosh, it's a good thing we have all these Jews to hold us to our nation's values. Who knows what would happen!?

    Most normies try not to connect those dots. The safe route to take is that Jews were the victims of Nazis not that Jews are possibly the most tribal group on the planet along with the Muslims, Chinese and Indian Hindus they prefer to whites.

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  40. @TelfoedJohn

    More upper Class kvetching, Jewish edition.
     
    A persons real opinions leak out are when they are riled up and emotional:
    https://youtu.be/5rCJN7_IiFM

    Schama’s biggest insult here is ‘suburban’. He can’t help himself...

    I think the adjective you’re looking for here is ‘twitchy’. Just like Chuck Schumer seems only a few light insults away from total rage. It seems like they are always quietly seething about something, constantly.

    You can see how even in that exchange he seems to be trying to hold something back and the vitriol that comes out is just the spillover.

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    Yeah, the range goes from twitchy to hair-trigger. With an emphasis on the latter.
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  41. But of course it is the advent of Trumpian politics — its nonstop carnival of paranoia

    That should obviously read “anti-Trumpian” politics.

    the routine mutation of fantasy into fact; the appetite for seeing secret hands (George Soros for instance) at work in plots to undermine America

    Or Putin or Cambridge Analytica…this is getting annoying. Nonetheless:

    But if “being Jewish” means nothing more than an ethically attuned solidarity with kindred disadvantaged at home and abroad, then the reawakening he wants will just evaporate in a cloud of airy good will. Being Jewish is knowing Jewish history in some depth; being Jewish is engaging with the incomparable treasury of disputation that is the Talmud; being Jewish is immersion in the boundless glories of Jewish literature, poetry, philosophy and art

    Being English much more than I’m Jewish, I frequently speak like this about the incomparable treasury of our literary cannon, for example. And, take heed alt rightists, I never get called racist except by those on the absolute extreme of progressivism…and they back down in short order.

    Take from that what you will. It is both a strong critique and great advice.

    the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,”

    Fuck off Schama. As a fellow Reform Jew I strongly advise you to remember the roots of Reform, especially in Britain, as essentially one for nationalistic British Jews. Replacing it with mindless virtue signalling is grossly disrespectful to your ancestors and is current age hubris.

    Sure it was also about relating to our society and fitting in, but modern-day ideological progressivism is antithetical to relationism. You’re not thinking your own assumptions through.

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  42. A historian, but above that a Jew.

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    A former historian, I think: his "Citizens" - an account of the French Revolution - was superb. Since then he's degenerated into a self-parodying pantomime dame, a TV bletherskite, and all round self-congratulatory pain in the arse. What a pity.
    , @Logan
    Schama was one of the participants in a Munk Debate last year, up against Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage.

    Schama and his partner were clobbered.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-eZIsLHAo&t=37s
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  43. So, after the Christmas present of moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is how far Jewish gratitude, such as it is, stretches. Three months.

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  44. @Pericles
    A historian, but above that a Jew.

    A former historian, I think: his “Citizens” – an account of the French Revolution – was superb. Since then he’s degenerated into a self-parodying pantomime dame, a TV bletherskite, and all round self-congratulatory pain in the arse. What a pity.

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    Harry and Paul took the piss very effectively in "The Story Of The Twos".
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  45. an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process … and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,”

    The problem here is that many today want to privilege the second listed here above the first. We’re apparently not to be permitted to use the democratic process to decide we want to slow the rate of immigration.

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  46. @Mishra
    You need look no further than your nearest case of office politics to realize that nothing binds people together more securely than a common enemy. If you have no such common enemy, the first thing to do is to create one.

    Quite right. Which is why it is so counter-productive for the left to keep ramping up its anti-white rhetoric. Many/most white Americans have had no interest in identifying with other white people as such. As anti-white rhetoric and politics keeps getting more extreme, it seems very nearly certain that will change.

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  47. @Pericles
    A historian, but above that a Jew.

    Schama was one of the participants in a Munk Debate last year, up against Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage.

    Schama and his partner were clobbered.

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  48. “There is nothing wrong, as Weisman counsels, with Jews standing shoulder to shoulder with those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism….”

    Speaking of those “most damaged”, how about those whose cars, homes and businesses get vandalized and destroyed by the tribes who burn down cities (Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.) for recreation?

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-detroit-riots-of-1967-and-its.html

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  49. @newrouter
    "and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” "

    (((They))) were sparse at the founding and just wanted to add their 2 shekels?

    “(((They))) were sparse at the founding”

    Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so.

    This doesn’t deny the very real propensity of the Jewish community to advocate positions harmful to the continued existence of American culture and society as we know it. But Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon

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    He was no Robert Morris. Or even the reputed Haym Solomon.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/01/financial-hero/
    , @celt darnell
    Bankrupted himself and ended up in prison? Sounds more like Louis XVI of France...
    , @3g4me
    @49 RonaldB: "Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so . . . Jews were an integral part of the founding of America."

    While Haym Solomon was both Jewish and, it seems, a patriot, his contribution has been exaggerated and mythologized precisely to give Jews in America a way to claim a role in the nation's founding that is not based on fact.

    "So why has this myth captured the imagination of American Jews? Dr. Jonathan Sarna, the Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun professor of American Jewish History and Life at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., says it has helped American Jews proudly connect themselves to their country’s formative era.

    “Since very few Jews actually have Revolutionary roots in the U.S., the story of Haym Salomon helped to legitimize Jews in this country; it proved that they too had played a ‘major’ role in America’s founding,” he says. “At a time when Jews were reviled as immigrants and latecomers to America, this was very important.” Beth Wenger, Director of the Jewish Studies Program at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the forthcoming book History Lessons: The Invention of American Jewish Heritage, agrees. “The Haym Salomon myth has persisted because it provides a way for Jews to demonstrate their patriotism and, in particular, it places a Jew in a pivotal role during the moment the nation was created,” she explains. “In other words, the Haym Salomon myth establishes Jews as part of the organic fabric of the country, and offers ‘proof’ of their long-standing loyalty.”

    The initially skeptical commenter continues that:

    "I learned the truth is that Haym Solomon was, in fact, a legitimate Revolutionary War hero. He was a spy, he was captured by the British twice, he risked his life for the colonial cause, and as the agent to the French consul as well as the paymaster for the French forces in North America, he was able to broker the sale of bills of exchange from France and Holland and help Robert Morris raise money for the war.

    In all, he raised $650,000, a not-insubstantial sum, which amounts to $16,644,272.43 in 2015 dollars. (1913 to 2015 data is the CPI. Inflation data from 1665 to 1912 is from a historical study by Robert Sahr at Oregon State University.)

    However, it is also worth mentioning that $650,000 was 1/1327th of the total $862,688,500 that the Journal of the American Revolution estimates was spent by the Continental Congress and various other revolutionary parties on the Revolutionary War. To say that Mr. Haym’s contribution to the winning effort is exaggerated by the revisionists is to put it mildly. And note that most of the significant efforts to honor that contribution were made more than 150 years later, well after the revisionists had begun rewriting American history.

    In 1939, Warner Brothers released Sons of Liberty, a short film starring Claude Rains as Salomon.
    In 1941, the writer Howard Fast wrote a book Haym Salomon, Son of Liberty.
    In 1941, the Heald Square Monument, a sculpture designed by Lorado Taft was erected at Wacker Drive and Wabash Avenue in downtown Chicago. Taft began the work but died in 1936. It was completed by his associate, Leonard Crunelle. The monument depicts George Washington flanked by Salomon and Robert Morris and grasping hands with both men.
    In 1943, the United States liberty ship SS Haym Salomon was named in his honor
    In 1946, a memorial statue was erected to Salomon at Hollenbeck Park in Los Angeles. The statue was rededicated in 2008 at Pan-Pacific Park in the Fairfax District, where it can be found on the corner of Gardner and Third Street.

    In summary, Haym Soloman’s legitimately heroic contributions to the American Revolution have been coopted, exaggerated, and weaponized as rhetoric in order to further the false historical revisionism of the deceitful, self-serving (((proponents))) of “the melting pot”, “the nation of immigrants”, and “Judeo-Christian values”. And those exaggerated contributions are now cited by various opponents of the Alt-Right in a futile effort to obscure the historical fact of America having been founded as a very real White and Christian nation, both material and distinct from the current multi-ethnic imperial state known as the USA.

    These revisionist efforts are somewhat ironic, because Solomon’s domestic political efforts tend to support the Alt-Right’s perspective on history, identity politics, and the predictable effects of non-native interference in politics.

    In 1783, Salomon was among the prominent Jews involved in the successful effort to have the Pennsylvania Council of Censors remove the religious test oath required for office-holding under the State Constitution.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Furthermore, of the 376,000 Continental soldiers and militia members who fought in the Revolutionary War, less than 100 were Jews. It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.
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  50. @TelfoedJohn

    More upper Class kvetching, Jewish edition.
     
    A persons real opinions leak out are when they are riled up and emotional:
    https://youtu.be/5rCJN7_IiFM

    Schama’s biggest insult here is ‘suburban’. He can’t help himself...

    The clipping definitely shows Schama as a highly verbal, second-rate intellect who coasts on emotion to push his points.

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    The clipping definitely shows Schama as a highly verbal, second-rate intellect who coasts on emotion to push his points.
     
    He's certainly agitated but from the shaking it seems like he has a neurological disorder.

    There's a clip out there of "historian" Schama doing election night commentary for the BBC (I think) wherein he snidely states that Romney won all of the States of the Confederacy or somesuch, identifying non-Confederate States as such (West Virginia, IIRC). It seems to have been memory holed because it embarrasses the great man.
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  51. @Max Denken
    I don't think the continuity you make is valid. The period staring about 200 AD and ending about 1850 in the West and 1920 in Eastern Europe has a different dynamics in this matter than the period after. Jews were an in-group with survival strategies, first because of white environment's hostility on religious ground, "Christ killers," pogroms, blood libels etc. That ultimately produced their great contribution to the Bolshevik revolution in Europe's most antisemitic and fanatically pious Orthodox country, Czarist Russia. You can't blame the egg that came out of the chicken but in terms of the relationship between the two. Tendentious cherry-picking of history is ultimately self-bamboozlement.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large "evolutionary strategy" group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.

    On the other hand, if you look at American, Canadian and other Western Jews starting in the 1950s, any theory implying "strategy," in-group, out-group etc. falls apart. Supporting so fanatically the most anti-Semitic group, the Blacks, or the great anti-Semites' importing cause, immigration, cannot be explained in any rational theory except in terms of a group psychosis. Same goes for Western Europe's Jewish orgs' vehement activism against the nationalist, anti-Islamization parties that are also explicitly pro-Israel and anti-antisemitism.

    And as to the in-group, except for the small community of rich Syrian Jews, practically every nonwhite immigrant minority group in the U.S. exhibits that trait far more saliently than the Jews. After all, if you put Shamir, Finkelstein, MondoWeiss, Soros, the J-Street hipsters and many other lefty Jews in the same room with the Neocons and the Adelsons, and ask them to discuss Israel, blows will be exchanged in no time.

    Thank you for pointing out that Jewish behavior, in contrast to being a unitary, narcissistic expression of in-group loyalty, is actually profoundly self-destructive. And destructive of its host society too, unfortunately.

    I have a slightly different view of the evolution of Jewish intelligence. Note that the scholars of the Torah, Talmud and other works of Jewish law and tradition were the most honored in the Jewish community and the most sought-after prizes for marriage. So naturally, the selection pressures worked in favor of the ability to read, write, and discuss complex legal issues.

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  52. France has become a ‘nation of immigrants’ too and now elderly Jews are being burned to death in their apartments. American Jews may think the working class white man is the most dangerous thing to come down the pike since the Nazi but they are wrong. It is the ‘huddled masses’ of surplus Afro-Islamic people that will launch the American intifada and turn this nation into a Jewish hell if they are allowed in.

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  53. @Luke Lea
    Some Jews are their own worst characterture. Schama is one. See here for instance: https://goo.gl/Uh9ndF

    Simon Schama reminds me of Evelyn Waugh’s Lord Brideshead, whose convoluted and topsy-turvy attempts to argue on behalf of Catholicism only manage to make his beloved religion appear utterly absurd to sensible folk who had no other objections before Bridey opened his mouth. There exist at least somewhat-sensible arguments that might be proffered in defense of Schama’s positions (which is not to say they’re right), but Schama invariably gravitates instead toward something that sounds like a parody written by Kevin MacDonald.

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  54. Ricky Vaughn [AKA "Tiny Duck’s Gay Mom"] says:

    “who helped (((finance))) the American Revolution and put himself into poverty”

    Oy vey, and such small portions!

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  55. @amadis
    Surely the real amusement is that Schama is urging members of his tribe, in a review of a book about his tribe, to act in their tribal interests by opposing "tribalism"?

    I was trying to come up with something like your comment but couldn’t. Steve should award you today’s “brevity is the soul of wit” prize.

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  56. @RonaldB
    The clipping definitely shows Schama as a highly verbal, second-rate intellect who coasts on emotion to push his points.

    The clipping definitely shows Schama as a highly verbal, second-rate intellect who coasts on emotion to push his points.

    He’s certainly agitated but from the shaking it seems like he has a neurological disorder.

    There’s a clip out there of “historian” Schama doing election night commentary for the BBC (I think) wherein he snidely states that Romney won all of the States of the Confederacy or somesuch, identifying non-Confederate States as such (West Virginia, IIRC). It seems to have been memory holed because it embarrasses the great man.

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  57. I grow weary of these antics. Just as BLM and the jihad against Confederate memorials drained away any residual sympathy I may have had toward the plight of inner-city African Americans (has anyone noticed that the greatest contribution of POCs to “american” “culture” — namely, blues and jazz — came within a generation or so of SHRIEK! slavery! and the dark, brutal, veritable MongolYoke of Jim Crow) — the constant. fucking. whining. of people like Schama, who as a historian should theoretically know better, and who are always hearing the distant tattoo of the Cossack horsemen, are inducing nothing but a rolling of eyes. As if the Jews face any sort of “oppression” or “injustice” or what. fucking. ever. in the USA, which let’s face it, is probably better described as Greater Israel. I’m honestly planning to devote my spare time to awakening my fellow low-church Southerners to the heresy of Christian Zionism.

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  58. @Max Denken
    I don't think the continuity you make is valid. The period staring about 200 AD and ending about 1850 in the West and 1920 in Eastern Europe has a different dynamics in this matter than the period after. Jews were an in-group with survival strategies, first because of white environment's hostility on religious ground, "Christ killers," pogroms, blood libels etc. That ultimately produced their great contribution to the Bolshevik revolution in Europe's most antisemitic and fanatically pious Orthodox country, Czarist Russia. You can't blame the egg that came out of the chicken but in terms of the relationship between the two. Tendentious cherry-picking of history is ultimately self-bamboozlement.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large "evolutionary strategy" group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.

    On the other hand, if you look at American, Canadian and other Western Jews starting in the 1950s, any theory implying "strategy," in-group, out-group etc. falls apart. Supporting so fanatically the most anti-Semitic group, the Blacks, or the great anti-Semites' importing cause, immigration, cannot be explained in any rational theory except in terms of a group psychosis. Same goes for Western Europe's Jewish orgs' vehement activism against the nationalist, anti-Islamization parties that are also explicitly pro-Israel and anti-antisemitism.

    And as to the in-group, except for the small community of rich Syrian Jews, practically every nonwhite immigrant minority group in the U.S. exhibits that trait far more saliently than the Jews. After all, if you put Shamir, Finkelstein, MondoWeiss, Soros, the J-Street hipsters and many other lefty Jews in the same room with the Neocons and the Adelsons, and ask them to discuss Israel, blows will be exchanged in no time.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large “evolutionary strategy” group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.

    I know Jews are very committed to these notions. But seriously the goyim did not “produce” these Jewish features. Jews produced their own feature set.

    We goyim are the “normals”. The normal “group evolutionary strategy” is essentially “defend yourself and the territory you live off of from outsiders/invaders.” I.e.–turn your farm over to your kids.

    During a period of strong *detribalizing* in Europe, where people were merging into simply having their local and then national identities, the Jews took a path of religiously based hyper-separation, endogamy, non-association and outgroup hostility. (Again Jews that didn’t want to do this–wanted to just be members of the community–are my ancestors, rather than yours.) And unfortunately–another mistake by greedy elites–were allowed to do it. (They should have been forced to convert and become members of the community or leave.)

    Put simply: The non-integration issue wasn’t on the goyim’s end, it was on the Jewish end.
    Christianity is a universal religion and was swallowing up and integrating any people it could. I have no idea what Wickermannish stuff my ancestors were doing back in the day but Christianity came, they went with the program along with the other folks in their communities and through the blender ended up as just Irishmen, Englishmen, Germans, when all was said and done.

    I’d bet if a Chinese middle man minority had set up shop in Europe in the 5th century … we’d all just be a little bit Chinese. The fact that the Jews were able to maintain an aggressive hostility against integration with the normies–bully for you. But that the host population is hostile to you in return, that’s just par for the course. Or in simple terms your fault.

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  59. Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense of those things that not so long ago could be taken for granted in America, and under which Jewish life has prospered to a degree unique in the world: the integrity of the democratic process, the protections of the Constitution and the preservation of the ideal of a “nation of immigrants,” …

    I know Jew’s strength is verbal gymnastics, not mathematical thinking–although high IQ gets them plenty of that as well. But even beyond the ahistorical issue, one of these principles is not like the others.

    “Democratic process” and “protections of the Constitution” are items that are actually “preservable” for a people and culture. It’s pretty cheeky for these ethnocentric Jews to cite them because Jews are generally hostile to both of them. But they are features of the historic American nation that are compatible with–and supportive of–the continuance of a civilization.

    “A nation of immigrants” on the other hand is a death sentence. “A nation of immigrants” in simple mathematical terms means that the current citizens’ genome will always and forever be a dwindling percentage of the future population. It’s not an principal compatible with preserving a people and civilization but with extinguishing it. It’s a death sentence.

    This is not “my opinion”, it’s math. And it’s, of course, not a principle the founders cooked up. They wouldn’t have been that stupid. And in fact, they said the reverse–”for ourselves and our posterity”.

    BTW, this math applies “eternally”. “A nation of immigrants” is a death sentence not just for the founding stock, it’s a death sentence for all citizens–including whatever contribution “Great Wave” Jews have made to America. If we “nation of immigrants” on through the next century as the African population explodes … America will just be an African “nation”. (I.e. a slum.) No one will care about George Washington … but likewise no one will care about the golfocaust.

    It doesn’t matter where you climb onto the train. If the train is a “nation of immigrants”, then you’re headed to Auschwitz.

    The math here is not complex. Nor is a verbal description–”dilution” and “replacement”. Which makes one wonder about the motives of the people pushing–demanding–that our train head toward Auschwitz.

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  60. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269686/bolton-mcmaster-change-michael-ledeen

    John Bolton sees this, and our success, indeed our survival, now will benefit from a security advisor who knows that North Koreans, Chinese, Russians, Iranians, radical Muslims, Cubans, Venezuelans and others must be thwarted.

    It won’t be easy. Or cheap. Or quick. But John’s up to it if anyone is. We’ll have early indicators. Faster than you think.

    Once Trump takes out Iran (Pompeo and Bolton were brought in to make it happen) it will only remain for Israel to transfer the bulk of the West Bank Arabs to the already existing Palestinian state of Jordan, and organised Jewry will cease demonizing Western patriots as “tribalist”. Intellectuals of Schama’s ilk will soon find themselves guest posting on Mondoweiss* instead of reviewing in the NYT.

    (*”John Bolton is a tool of Sheldon Adelson”)

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  61. @AnotherDad

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc. So yes, what MacD, you and the large “evolutionary strategy” group are saying applies to this long period, with my only quibble being the suspiciously little attention given to the behavior of the goyim that produced these Jewish features.
     
    I know Jews are very committed to these notions. But seriously the goyim did not "produce" these Jewish features. Jews produced their own feature set.

    We goyim are the "normals". The normal "group evolutionary strategy" is essentially "defend yourself and the territory you live off of from outsiders/invaders." I.e.--turn your farm over to your kids.

    During a period of strong *detribalizing* in Europe, where people were merging into simply having their local and then national identities, the Jews took a path of religiously based hyper-separation, endogamy, non-association and outgroup hostility. (Again Jews that didn't want to do this--wanted to just be members of the community--are my ancestors, rather than yours.) And unfortunately--another mistake by greedy elites--were allowed to do it. (They should have been forced to convert and become members of the community or leave.)

    Put simply: The non-integration issue wasn't on the goyim's end, it was on the Jewish end.
    Christianity is a universal religion and was swallowing up and integrating any people it could. I have no idea what Wickermannish stuff my ancestors were doing back in the day but Christianity came, they went with the program along with the other folks in their communities and through the blender ended up as just Irishmen, Englishmen, Germans, when all was said and done.

    I'd bet if a Chinese middle man minority had set up shop in Europe in the 5th century ... we'd all just be a little bit Chinese. The fact that the Jews were able to maintain an aggressive hostility against integration with the normies--bully for you. But that the host population is hostile to you in return, that's just par for the course. Or in simple terms your fault.

    Nice response to the “We’ve been kicked out of dozens of countries multiple times, but it’s always 100% everyone else’s fault and none of ours!” line.

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  62. Schama is another jewish mediocrity elevated by an ethnic network in to fame and fortune. His gentile adversary on the right is David Starkey, a genuine talent, although his homosexuality probably gave is career a boost too.

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  63. @celt darnell
    For those who haven't seen it, catch the debate on immigration between Schama and some Canadian woman on the one side and Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage on the other.

    Schama and his moll were pretty much destroyed.

    It was while viewing that debate that I decided that Schama was a reprehensible individual. As Steyn said, Schama seemed comfortable getting laughs out of the rape of minors.

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-when-mark-steyn-struck-back

    Steyn seemed ready to offer pistols at dawn.

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    I agree with you. It also struck me how easy it was to demolish open-door immigration arguments, even before Trump showed up.

    That crowd the debated before was at least 80% pinko...

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  64. @Altai
    I think the adjective you're looking for here is 'twitchy'. Just like Chuck Schumer seems only a few light insults away from total rage. It seems like they are always quietly seething about something, constantly.

    You can see how even in that exchange he seems to be trying to hold something back and the vitriol that comes out is just the spillover.

    Yeah, the range goes from twitchy to hair-trigger. With an emphasis on the latter.

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  65. @RonaldB
    "(((They))) were sparse at the founding"

    Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so.

    This doesn't deny the very real propensity of the Jewish community to advocate positions harmful to the continued existence of American culture and society as we know it. But Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon

    He was no Robert Morris. Or even the reputed Haym Solomon.

    https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/01/financial-hero/

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  66. @Brutusale
    It was while viewing that debate that I decided that Schama was a reprehensible individual. As Steyn said, Schama seemed comfortable getting laughs out of the rape of minors.

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-when-mark-steyn-struck-back

    Steyn seemed ready to offer pistols at dawn.

    I agree with you. It also struck me how easy it was to demolish open-door immigration arguments, even before Trump showed up.

    That crowd the debated before was at least 80% pinko…

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  67. @RonaldB
    "(((They))) were sparse at the founding"

    Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so.

    This doesn't deny the very real propensity of the Jewish community to advocate positions harmful to the continued existence of American culture and society as we know it. But Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon

    Bankrupted himself and ended up in prison? Sounds more like Louis XVI of France…

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  68. @William Middleton
    And isn't Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

    Brit-ish…

    King George has many strange subjects…

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  69. I’m waiting for the New York Times to publish “How to be a Christian in the Age of Weinstein.”

    Probably gonna wait a while.

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  70. @William Middleton
    And isn't Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

    (((British)))

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  71. @celt darnell
    For those who haven't seen it, catch the debate on immigration between Schama and some Canadian woman on the one side and Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage on the other.

    Schama and his moll were pretty much destroyed.

    Steyn and Farage were outstanding.

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  72. @William Middleton
    And isn't Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

    The Jew nose goes wherever needed.

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  73. @William Middleton
    And isn't Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

    From Jolly Ole England:

    The Crisis Between Jeremy Corbyn and British Jews Has Reached Boiling Point

    Corbyn’s support of anti-Semitic mural in 2012 has come back to haunt him, and the Jewish community has had enough of the Labour Party leader’s tolerance

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-crisis-between-jeremy-corbyn-and-u-k-jews-has-reached-boiling-point-1.5944212

    There is almost a quota for complaints if it were not Trump it would be something else.

    :Labour MP thinks Israel belongs in Nebraska:

    Labour MP Naz Shah apologises for backing ‘relocate Israel to North America’ plan
    She made the post on social media before becoming an MP

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-naz-shah-apologises-for-backing-relocate-israel-to-north-america-plan-a7001406.html

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    A burqa wearing Labour councilor of South Asian origin tweeted that she thought Adolf Hitler was the greatest man in history.
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  74. How much of “Jewish life prospering in America” is due to the property bonanza caused by the 1965 immigration act? 100 million people added to the population in the last 50 years.

    It was an unprecedented opportunity for some to lift themselves up to the millionaire club.

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  75. @George
    From Jolly Ole England:

    The Crisis Between Jeremy Corbyn and British Jews Has Reached Boiling Point

    Corbyn’s support of anti-Semitic mural in 2012 has come back to haunt him, and the Jewish community has had enough of the Labour Party leader’s tolerance

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-crisis-between-jeremy-corbyn-and-u-k-jews-has-reached-boiling-point-1.5944212

    There is almost a quota for complaints if it were not Trump it would be something else.

    :Labour MP thinks Israel belongs in Nebraska:

    Labour MP Naz Shah apologises for backing 'relocate Israel to North America' plan
    She made the post on social media before becoming an MP

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-naz-shah-apologises-for-backing-relocate-israel-to-north-america-plan-a7001406.html

    A burqa wearing Labour councilor of South Asian origin tweeted that she thought Adolf Hitler was the greatest man in history.

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  76. American Jews have aligned themselves with the Communist left in our country. So when the ugly anti-semitic left yel6sl and screams at them calls them names and brutalizes them because of their religion and calls for the destruction of their homeland they can smile, laugh and feel good because in their viewpoint they are aligned with the correct political faction. And really in politics that is all that matter knowing in you’re mind that you are helping yourself and your children and family.

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  77. I was a lifelong philoSemite who now, only in the last few years, having opened my eyes to the directions toward which Jewish group influence is mostly dedicated, feels foolish about that. My attitude has turned from admiration and good will to, on a good day, extreme skepticism.

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  78. There is nothing wrong, as Weisman counsels, with Jews standing shoulder to shoulder with those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism

    Like, say, the Palestinians? According to almost all of the Jews I hear from, there’s a big fat problem with that. They kvetch about it all the time.

    Funny how that works.

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  79. I am continuously amazed how Jews spare no effort to produce antisemitism and then complain about antisemitism. If only all this could be discussed and spread in as wide a forum as possible without being spiked by the Holohoax nutsos and Protocols fans, thereby making it false and noxious to the larger public. What we see in action, plainly, daily, is not an evolutionary strategy or fanciful conspiracy of Julius Streicher cartoons, but a self-destroying Tikkun Olam psychosis, idiocy indeed that seems to infect a Jewish soccer mom as much as it does the Jewish Cambridge-Oxford CBE’s.

    It could, if the censors of the wide forums didn’t target it and “holohoax nutsos and protocols fans” both. It’s their choice.

    As for the protocols…forget about their pedigree for a sec. Which part strikes you as wrong?

    As for the self-destructive aspects, those seem more like a potential problem (backlash) than the actual problem: the ruin the policies bring on Whites.

    Jews were an in-group with survival strategies, first because of white environment’s hostility on religious ground, “Christ killers,” pogroms, blood libels etc.

    Mostly fig leaf/retcon. There were real conflicts of interest that tended to marshal under religious banners.

    And second, as a trading minority they were subject to the same pressure from their social environment and had same mechanisms of survival as the Chinese and Indian diasporas have adopted in Asia, Africa etc.

    This stuff is pretty rare when the minority group can so easily “pass” among the majority.

    On the other hand, if you look at American, Canadian and other Western Jews starting in the 1950s, any theory implying “strategy,” in-group, out-group etc. falls apart. Supporting so fanatically the most anti-Semitic group, the Blacks

    What did blacks do to Jews, that they wouldn’t have done without Jewish support? A few muggings don’t mean much when it comes to national politics.

    or the great anti-Semites’ importing cause, immigration, cannot be explained in any rational theory except in terms of a group psychosis.

    Sure it can. Jews would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven; they prefer America so polyglot that no one is likely to unite against them. And where they are a less salient group (Jews “pass,” non-Whites, not so much).

    Same goes for Western Europe’s Jewish orgs’ vehement activism against the nationalist, anti-Islamization parties that are also explicitly pro-Israel and anti-antisemitism.

    It’s a debatable point. Given Jewish fear of both groups, it would make sense to back group with less potential strength (i.e., if European natives turn against the Jews, they’re done. If the Muslims do, hey, not much worse than now).

    After all, if you put Shamir, Finkelstein, MondoWeiss, Soros, the J-Street hipsters and many other lefty Jews in the same room with the Neocons and the Adelsons, and ask them to discuss Israel, blows will be exchanged in no time.

    Euro nationalities fight each other over soccer clubs. Which seems a more ethnocentric pursuit?

    Your arguments aren’t half as strong as you seem to think they are.

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  80. @dearieme
    A former historian, I think: his "Citizens" - an account of the French Revolution - was superb. Since then he's degenerated into a self-parodying pantomime dame, a TV bletherskite, and all round self-congratulatory pain in the arse. What a pity.

    Harry and Paul took the piss very effectively in “The Story Of The Twos”.

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  81. Simon Schama is a gay Jew. This means he hasn’t a child to tell him he’s spewing nonsense over his breakfast cereal.

    As it is, Western powers put together a safe space for highly paranoid, near schizophrenic tribalists. They just don’t seem to get the message that people do, indeed, expect them to go to their safe space and remain there until the episode passes: this may take an entire lifetime.

    As for clannish Jews in the late Roman period: they were the drug-runners, slave stealers, child snatchers, prostitutes. No normal person got near them. They’d steal children- they’ve written about going into people’s houses at night to steal particularly lovely children- and they were so mind-blind it never occurred to them they weren’t doing the family a favor. Why do you think Europeans build two story houses, developed metal locks, built castles? It was all to protect their wives and children. Even churches were built to defensive standards.

    When western Europe hardened up- it took centuries- they moved their thieving to Eastern Europe, southern Russian steppes. That, in very real ways, has only changed, but not ended.

    I read about Jews griping they aren’t in fairy tales; Yes, yes they are: they are the horrible, deformed child-snatchers in the stories. ( centuries of inbreeding vs centuries of European outbreeding; short, swarthy, disproportionate)

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  82. @Bill B.
    I once bought and tried to read Schama's Citizens about the French Revolution but had to put it aside as tediously 'clever' and 'insightful' to the point of unreadability. Yet it was praised to the skies in the press.

    Private Eye's literary reviewer - often a voice of sanity - agreed IIRC by suggesting that most readers will likely give up on it preferring the stronger and more fluent story told in Dickens's The Tale of Two Cities.

    It may be unfair to quote this from a Guardian interview but here goes:


    As a boy, his father took him to the Tower of London, ‘where he would tell the story of Ann Boleyn being beheaded: ‘It made the hairs go up on the back of my neck’. And all this was intended to be passed on: ‘My father always used to say that a Jew’s only weapon is his mouth.’
     
    Even the Guardian found it odd that the BBC should choose Schama to make a huge History of Britain series:

    The mantle of making this epic series has been placed on the shoulders of the son of Jewish refugees from the Ottoman Empire who lives in New York, teaches at Columbia and has not practised the history of his native land for decades.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/1999/jan/02/artsfeatures1

    At least as odd was his own decision to write a book about Rembrandt. Shortly after it came out I happened to be hosting two world class Rembrandt scholars, one Dutch (and my cousin), the other German.
    Not so innocently I just happened to mention Schama’s book. Before I could get so far as to ask what they thought of it, both launched into rage-filled denunciations, not only of him and his chutzpah in writing about something he knew nothing about and therefore understood even less, but also of the publishing houses which saw fit to publicise cloying and meaningless pap about perhaps the greatest painter of all time (not my view, but we’ll pass on that just now) rather than to do their proper job which, it soon became clear, was to give their own books at least as much publicity as they had given Schama’s not even meretricious vapourings.

    That was a good fifteen years ago. How very much worse the old fraud has got since.

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  83. @RonaldB
    "(((They))) were sparse at the founding"

    Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so.

    This doesn't deny the very real propensity of the Jewish community to advocate positions harmful to the continued existence of American culture and society as we know it. But Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon

    @49 RonaldB: “Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so . . . Jews were an integral part of the founding of America.”

    While Haym Solomon was both Jewish and, it seems, a patriot, his contribution has been exaggerated and mythologized precisely to give Jews in America a way to claim a role in the nation’s founding that is not based on fact.

    “So why has this myth captured the imagination of American Jews? Dr. Jonathan Sarna, the Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun professor of American Jewish History and Life at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., says it has helped American Jews proudly connect themselves to their country’s formative era.

    “Since very few Jews actually have Revolutionary roots in the U.S., the story of Haym Salomon helped to legitimize Jews in this country; it proved that they too had played a ‘major’ role in America’s founding,” he says. “At a time when Jews were reviled as immigrants and latecomers to America, this was very important.” Beth Wenger, Director of the Jewish Studies Program at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the forthcoming book History Lessons: The Invention of American Jewish Heritage, agrees. “The Haym Salomon myth has persisted because it provides a way for Jews to demonstrate their patriotism and, in particular, it places a Jew in a pivotal role during the moment the nation was created,” she explains. “In other words, the Haym Salomon myth establishes Jews as part of the organic fabric of the country, and offers ‘proof’ of their long-standing loyalty.”

    The initially skeptical commenter continues that:

    “I learned the truth is that Haym Solomon was, in fact, a legitimate Revolutionary War hero. He was a spy, he was captured by the British twice, he risked his life for the colonial cause, and as the agent to the French consul as well as the paymaster for the French forces in North America, he was able to broker the sale of bills of exchange from France and Holland and help Robert Morris raise money for the war.

    [MORE]

    In all, he raised $650,000, a not-insubstantial sum, which amounts to $16,644,272.43 in 2015 dollars. (1913 to 2015 data is the CPI. Inflation data from 1665 to 1912 is from a historical study by Robert Sahr at Oregon State University.)

    However, it is also worth mentioning that $650,000 was 1/1327th of the total $862,688,500 that the Journal of the American Revolution estimates was spent by the Continental Congress and various other revolutionary parties on the Revolutionary War. To say that Mr. Haym’s contribution to the winning effort is exaggerated by the revisionists is to put it mildly. And note that most of the significant efforts to honor that contribution were made more than 150 years later, well after the revisionists had begun rewriting American history.

    In 1939, Warner Brothers released Sons of Liberty, a short film starring Claude Rains as Salomon.
    In 1941, the writer Howard Fast wrote a book Haym Salomon, Son of Liberty.
    In 1941, the Heald Square Monument, a sculpture designed by Lorado Taft was erected at Wacker Drive and Wabash Avenue in downtown Chicago. Taft began the work but died in 1936. It was completed by his associate, Leonard Crunelle. The monument depicts George Washington flanked by Salomon and Robert Morris and grasping hands with both men.
    In 1943, the United States liberty ship SS Haym Salomon was named in his honor
    In 1946, a memorial statue was erected to Salomon at Hollenbeck Park in Los Angeles. The statue was rededicated in 2008 at Pan-Pacific Park in the Fairfax District, where it can be found on the corner of Gardner and Third Street.

    In summary, Haym Soloman’s legitimately heroic contributions to the American Revolution have been coopted, exaggerated, and weaponized as rhetoric in order to further the false historical revisionism of the deceitful, self-serving (((proponents))) of “the melting pot”, “the nation of immigrants”, and “Judeo-Christian values”. And those exaggerated contributions are now cited by various opponents of the Alt-Right in a futile effort to obscure the historical fact of America having been founded as a very real White and Christian nation, both material and distinct from the current multi-ethnic imperial state known as the USA.

    These revisionist efforts are somewhat ironic, because Solomon’s domestic political efforts tend to support the Alt-Right’s perspective on history, identity politics, and the predictable effects of non-native interference in politics.

    In 1783, Salomon was among the prominent Jews involved in the successful effort to have the Pennsylvania Council of Censors remove the religious test oath required for office-holding under the State Constitution.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Furthermore, of the 376,000 Continental soldiers and militia members who fought in the Revolutionary War, less than 100 were Jews. It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.

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    It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.
     
    Wikipedia has a bunch of sources that argue the exact opposite. Where did you get any of your "facts" from?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    The True Story of Haym Salomon
    ...
    Oppenheim discovered, from the bank records, of which he had made photographic copies, that Salomon's way of dealing with the government was to secure U.S. government paper to negotiate by sale thereof. He would “receipt” for the same. As he disposed of the same--quite uniformly at an enormous discount--he would draw his own checks in payment. Haym M. Salomon (Haym Salomon's son) or the latter's agents persuaded several committees of Congress that these checks--proceeds of the sale of government paper--somehow represented "loans" by him to the government from his own funds. This result was accomplished, evidently, by concealing the course of dealings referred to, showing that he first received government paper to sell for it, and by con­cealing the size of his own fortune.

     

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  84. @schnellandine
    I stopped listening to the Kevin Pollak podcast, largely because he and, often, his Jewish guests were vocally, internally, interminably self-aware of their self-awareness of their, oh BTW, did you hear? They're Jews! After repeatedly slapping my head and groaning, "Oy," it hit me that I was becoming a Jew. Fled. Wasn't expelled, if that's what you're thinking.

    Oy vey, Maria!

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  85. @Hunsdon
    It's okay to be goy?

    My baby he don’t talk sweet
    He ain’t got much to say
    But he loves me, loves me, loves me
    I know that he loves me anyway
    And maybe he don’t dress fine
    But I don’t really mind
    Because every time he pulls me near
    I just want to cheer
    Let’s hear it for the Goy!

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  86. @3g4me
    @49 RonaldB: "Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so . . . Jews were an integral part of the founding of America."

    While Haym Solomon was both Jewish and, it seems, a patriot, his contribution has been exaggerated and mythologized precisely to give Jews in America a way to claim a role in the nation's founding that is not based on fact.

    "So why has this myth captured the imagination of American Jews? Dr. Jonathan Sarna, the Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun professor of American Jewish History and Life at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., says it has helped American Jews proudly connect themselves to their country’s formative era.

    “Since very few Jews actually have Revolutionary roots in the U.S., the story of Haym Salomon helped to legitimize Jews in this country; it proved that they too had played a ‘major’ role in America’s founding,” he says. “At a time when Jews were reviled as immigrants and latecomers to America, this was very important.” Beth Wenger, Director of the Jewish Studies Program at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the forthcoming book History Lessons: The Invention of American Jewish Heritage, agrees. “The Haym Salomon myth has persisted because it provides a way for Jews to demonstrate their patriotism and, in particular, it places a Jew in a pivotal role during the moment the nation was created,” she explains. “In other words, the Haym Salomon myth establishes Jews as part of the organic fabric of the country, and offers ‘proof’ of their long-standing loyalty.”

    The initially skeptical commenter continues that:

    "I learned the truth is that Haym Solomon was, in fact, a legitimate Revolutionary War hero. He was a spy, he was captured by the British twice, he risked his life for the colonial cause, and as the agent to the French consul as well as the paymaster for the French forces in North America, he was able to broker the sale of bills of exchange from France and Holland and help Robert Morris raise money for the war.

    In all, he raised $650,000, a not-insubstantial sum, which amounts to $16,644,272.43 in 2015 dollars. (1913 to 2015 data is the CPI. Inflation data from 1665 to 1912 is from a historical study by Robert Sahr at Oregon State University.)

    However, it is also worth mentioning that $650,000 was 1/1327th of the total $862,688,500 that the Journal of the American Revolution estimates was spent by the Continental Congress and various other revolutionary parties on the Revolutionary War. To say that Mr. Haym’s contribution to the winning effort is exaggerated by the revisionists is to put it mildly. And note that most of the significant efforts to honor that contribution were made more than 150 years later, well after the revisionists had begun rewriting American history.

    In 1939, Warner Brothers released Sons of Liberty, a short film starring Claude Rains as Salomon.
    In 1941, the writer Howard Fast wrote a book Haym Salomon, Son of Liberty.
    In 1941, the Heald Square Monument, a sculpture designed by Lorado Taft was erected at Wacker Drive and Wabash Avenue in downtown Chicago. Taft began the work but died in 1936. It was completed by his associate, Leonard Crunelle. The monument depicts George Washington flanked by Salomon and Robert Morris and grasping hands with both men.
    In 1943, the United States liberty ship SS Haym Salomon was named in his honor
    In 1946, a memorial statue was erected to Salomon at Hollenbeck Park in Los Angeles. The statue was rededicated in 2008 at Pan-Pacific Park in the Fairfax District, where it can be found on the corner of Gardner and Third Street.

    In summary, Haym Soloman’s legitimately heroic contributions to the American Revolution have been coopted, exaggerated, and weaponized as rhetoric in order to further the false historical revisionism of the deceitful, self-serving (((proponents))) of “the melting pot”, “the nation of immigrants”, and “Judeo-Christian values”. And those exaggerated contributions are now cited by various opponents of the Alt-Right in a futile effort to obscure the historical fact of America having been founded as a very real White and Christian nation, both material and distinct from the current multi-ethnic imperial state known as the USA.

    These revisionist efforts are somewhat ironic, because Solomon’s domestic political efforts tend to support the Alt-Right’s perspective on history, identity politics, and the predictable effects of non-native interference in politics.

    In 1783, Salomon was among the prominent Jews involved in the successful effort to have the Pennsylvania Council of Censors remove the religious test oath required for office-holding under the State Constitution.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Furthermore, of the 376,000 Continental soldiers and militia members who fought in the Revolutionary War, less than 100 were Jews. It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.

    It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.

    Wikipedia has a bunch of sources that argue the exact opposite. Where did you get any of your “facts” from?

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  87. Well, luck is here today. The Weisman book is on my library’s new-book shelf. It should go untouched longer than the several tranny books no one interested in reading. They are good for collecting dust.

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  88. There is nothing wrong, as Weisman counsels, with Jews standing shoulder to shoulder with those most damaged and threatened by tribalist populism, as Jews like Abraham Joshua Heschel did in the heyday of the civil rights movement. Ultimately, though, what is needed is an aggressive defense . . . .

    The problem with the Jews in a nutshell: Aggression is the opposite of defense.

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  89. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Academia is becoming as Twitterized as journalism turned circa 2008. Even though this is all what Schama really thinks, normally, no one would care, because that isn’t his socio-professional niche. But now among the official duties of being a top-shelf professor is periodically needing to make clickbait culture-war statements, as Mary Beard recently preposterously attempted.

    OT: what’s the reason the series “Roseanne” was/is so popular with gay men? With the visible result that its half-season reboot this year is getting unusually lenient treatment by entertainment journalists, i.e., gay men

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    While I don't see any reason to believe that there is a particular 'gay' angle, I do know that a lot more people in entertainment are Trump voters than could ever admit it publically. They're not really cowards, they just like having jobs and friends and so on. Something like Roseanne is defensible ground. It is working class, heart-warming and nostalgic.
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  90. @Anonymous
    Academia is becoming as Twitterized as journalism turned circa 2008. Even though this is all what Schama really thinks, normally, no one would care, because that isn't his socio-professional niche. But now among the official duties of being a top-shelf professor is periodically needing to make clickbait culture-war statements, as Mary Beard recently preposterously attempted.

    OT: what's the reason the series "Roseanne" was/is so popular with gay men? With the visible result that its half-season reboot this year is getting unusually lenient treatment by entertainment journalists, i.e., gay men

    OT: what’s the reason the series “Roseanne” was/is so popular with gay men? With the visible result that its half-season reboot this year is getting unusually lenient treatment by entertainment journalists, i.e., gay men

    While I don’t see any reason to believe that there is a particular ‘gay’ angle, I do know that a lot more people in entertainment are Trump voters than could ever admit it publically. They’re not really cowards, they just like having jobs and friends and so on. Something like Roseanne is defensible ground. It is working class, heart-warming and nostalgic.

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  91. @William Middleton
    And isn't Schama British? Why is he talking about American life?

    The UK, latgely due the University enforcement of Cultural Marxism is a sinking island with little hope of recovery Professor Shama’s work there is just about done. As a universalist Jew bent on “repairing the world” Shama is moving on to fight the final battle against any form of white identity. Namely the USA. He was active in the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia. His lifes work will be done when the USA falls.

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  92. @3g4me
    @49 RonaldB: "Except for Haym Solomon, who helped finance the American Revolution and put himself into poverty and imprisonment to do so . . . Jews were an integral part of the founding of America."

    While Haym Solomon was both Jewish and, it seems, a patriot, his contribution has been exaggerated and mythologized precisely to give Jews in America a way to claim a role in the nation's founding that is not based on fact.

    "So why has this myth captured the imagination of American Jews? Dr. Jonathan Sarna, the Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun professor of American Jewish History and Life at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., says it has helped American Jews proudly connect themselves to their country’s formative era.

    “Since very few Jews actually have Revolutionary roots in the U.S., the story of Haym Salomon helped to legitimize Jews in this country; it proved that they too had played a ‘major’ role in America’s founding,” he says. “At a time when Jews were reviled as immigrants and latecomers to America, this was very important.” Beth Wenger, Director of the Jewish Studies Program at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the forthcoming book History Lessons: The Invention of American Jewish Heritage, agrees. “The Haym Salomon myth has persisted because it provides a way for Jews to demonstrate their patriotism and, in particular, it places a Jew in a pivotal role during the moment the nation was created,” she explains. “In other words, the Haym Salomon myth establishes Jews as part of the organic fabric of the country, and offers ‘proof’ of their long-standing loyalty.”

    The initially skeptical commenter continues that:

    "I learned the truth is that Haym Solomon was, in fact, a legitimate Revolutionary War hero. He was a spy, he was captured by the British twice, he risked his life for the colonial cause, and as the agent to the French consul as well as the paymaster for the French forces in North America, he was able to broker the sale of bills of exchange from France and Holland and help Robert Morris raise money for the war.

    In all, he raised $650,000, a not-insubstantial sum, which amounts to $16,644,272.43 in 2015 dollars. (1913 to 2015 data is the CPI. Inflation data from 1665 to 1912 is from a historical study by Robert Sahr at Oregon State University.)

    However, it is also worth mentioning that $650,000 was 1/1327th of the total $862,688,500 that the Journal of the American Revolution estimates was spent by the Continental Congress and various other revolutionary parties on the Revolutionary War. To say that Mr. Haym’s contribution to the winning effort is exaggerated by the revisionists is to put it mildly. And note that most of the significant efforts to honor that contribution were made more than 150 years later, well after the revisionists had begun rewriting American history.

    In 1939, Warner Brothers released Sons of Liberty, a short film starring Claude Rains as Salomon.
    In 1941, the writer Howard Fast wrote a book Haym Salomon, Son of Liberty.
    In 1941, the Heald Square Monument, a sculpture designed by Lorado Taft was erected at Wacker Drive and Wabash Avenue in downtown Chicago. Taft began the work but died in 1936. It was completed by his associate, Leonard Crunelle. The monument depicts George Washington flanked by Salomon and Robert Morris and grasping hands with both men.
    In 1943, the United States liberty ship SS Haym Salomon was named in his honor
    In 1946, a memorial statue was erected to Salomon at Hollenbeck Park in Los Angeles. The statue was rededicated in 2008 at Pan-Pacific Park in the Fairfax District, where it can be found on the corner of Gardner and Third Street.

    In summary, Haym Soloman’s legitimately heroic contributions to the American Revolution have been coopted, exaggerated, and weaponized as rhetoric in order to further the false historical revisionism of the deceitful, self-serving (((proponents))) of “the melting pot”, “the nation of immigrants”, and “Judeo-Christian values”. And those exaggerated contributions are now cited by various opponents of the Alt-Right in a futile effort to obscure the historical fact of America having been founded as a very real White and Christian nation, both material and distinct from the current multi-ethnic imperial state known as the USA.

    These revisionist efforts are somewhat ironic, because Solomon’s domestic political efforts tend to support the Alt-Right’s perspective on history, identity politics, and the predictable effects of non-native interference in politics.

    In 1783, Salomon was among the prominent Jews involved in the successful effort to have the Pennsylvania Council of Censors remove the religious test oath required for office-holding under the State Constitution.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Furthermore, of the 376,000 Continental soldiers and militia members who fought in the Revolutionary War, less than 100 were Jews. It is also interesting to note that only 7,000 blacks fought for the revolutionaries, versus 20,000 blacks who fought for the British.

    The True Story of Haym Salomon

    Oppenheim discovered, from the bank records, of which he had made photographic copies, that Salomon’s way of dealing with the government was to secure U.S. government paper to negotiate by sale thereof. He would “receipt” for the same. As he disposed of the same–quite uniformly at an enormous discount–he would draw his own checks in payment. Haym M. Salomon (Haym Salomon’s son) or the latter’s agents persuaded several committees of Congress that these checks–proceeds of the sale of government paper–somehow represented “loans” by him to the government from his own funds. This result was accomplished, evidently, by concealing the course of dealings referred to, showing that he first received government paper to sell for it, and by con­cealing the size of his own fortune.

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