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From the Los Angeles Times:

Why are African Americans better off in San Diego than St. Louis? Fair housing
By RICHARD H. SANDER
APR 15, 2018 | 4:05 AM

The Fair Housing Act of 1968 — whose 50th anniversary we marked last week — seemed a monumental achievement at the time, a capstone to the historic measures of the 1960s that sought to transform race relations in America. Today, however, many civil rights activists view it largely as a failure because black/white housing segregation remains the norm in too much of urban America.

But something central has been widely overlooked. Fair-housing laws did bring about substantial change in a significant number of American cities. And a large body of careful research shows that in these areas, integration has had remarkable effects in narrowing racial gaps.

Metropolitan black/white segregation is commonly measured by an “index of dissimilarity,” which describes, on a scale of 0 to 100, the proportion of blacks who would need to move to another block to achieve the same geographic distribution in a metro area as whites (or vice versa). A score of 100 corresponds to complete segregation, and 0 corresponds to complete integration. Many major metro areas — New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis — have indices above 75 or even 80. But a significant number of other metro areas do much better: San Diego, Seattle, San Antonio and Nashville, for example, have indices between 50 and 65.

San Diego is, at the moment, the largest city in the country with a GOP mayor.

Compelling evidence shows that lower housing segregation itself is a prime driver of the narrowing racial gaps.

On nearly every dimension, social and economic conditions are far better for African Americans in moderate- versus high-segregation cities, in San Diego rather than, say, St. Louis.

This might also have something to do with the median home price in San Diego being $618,000 versus $128,000 in St. Louis. Not surprisingly, St. Louis is 49.2% black while San Diego is 6.7% black.

Similarly, people in general tend to be even better off in San Diego’s suburb of Rancho Santa Fe (where Bill Gates lives in winter), with its median home price of $2,975,000, than in San Diego. Life is pretty good for Rancho Santa Fe residents like Phil Mickelson and Drew Brees. Why? Raj Chetty should investigate this mystery.

Moreover, a fair percentage of blacks whose families have lived in San Diego for a couple of generations or more got there through the military (same for San Antonio), and blacks with military ties tend to do better, for the usual selection and treatment reasons.

In general, blacks tend to do better in relatively conservative sunbelt metropolises without too many other blacks around. It’s not clear whether there’s much going on besides selection, but it’s possible that blacks do better in environments of less welfare, more jobs, cheaper housing, and more Christianity.

 
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  1. “In general, blacks tend to do better…without too many other blacks around.”

    A consistent reason why blacks do better in evil white countries than their own just Wakanda’s

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    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands - Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.
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  2. Steve,

    Once a critical mass of black residency is reached (for whatever reason);

    all good things come to an an end!

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  3. If whites are the cause of all blacks’ problems, why does having whites in neighborhoods help blacks? Wakanda (like all African and Caribbean paradises) doesn’t seem to have many whites and look how good it is doing. Is the lack of whites a sign that a black neighborhood is wonderful for blacks?

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  4. What’s amazing is how abruptly the magic dirt runs out at the border.

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    • Replies: @carol
    Which side is which?
    , @Anon
    Duh! That's why they put the border there!
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  5. Not surprisingly, St. Louis is 49.2% black while San Diego is 6.7% black.

    This was my first thought. I spent several pleasant years of my life in San Diego and La Jolla and can count the number of times I encountered negroes on my hands. Because, for one thing, it was even less than 6.7% back then.

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  6. OT Democracy Dies in Darkness
    CNN anchorperson Arwa Damon has entered a Syrian refugee camp and, at great risk to herself, sniffed a child’s backpack. Immediately after the sniffing she confidently pronounced allegations of illegal use of chemical weapons to be true. Somewhere Hans Blix is shaking his head and popping a Mentos.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ikhras/status/985574324256952320

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    • Replies: @Mishra
    Customs Dogs? We no have no customs dogs!
    WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CUSTOMS DOGS!

    https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2017/11/30230911/Beagle_Brigade-Animal-Plant_Health_Inspection_Service_APHIS_USDA.jpg

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  7. Steve,

    Once the Black populace reaches a critical mass (for whatever reason); all good things come to an end!

    Once the converse holds (critical mass depletion); all bad things come to an end!

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  8. Steve,

    Once the Black populace reaches a critical mass (for whatever reason); all good things come to an end!

    Conversely Black populace critical mass depletion cause bad things to come to an end!

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  9. @J.Ross
    OT Democracy Dies in Darkness
    CNN anchorperson Arwa Damon has entered a Syrian refugee camp and, at great risk to herself, sniffed a child's backpack. Immediately after the sniffing she confidently pronounced allegations of illegal use of chemical weapons to be true. Somewhere Hans Blix is shaking his head and popping a Mentos.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ikhras/status/985574324256952320

    Customs Dogs? We no have no customs dogs!
    WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ CUSTOMS DOGS!

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    • Replies: @Ivy

    Customs Dogs? We no have no customs dogs!
    WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ CUSTOMS DOGS!
     
    That dog almost has some human expression and attitude, like "Give me better training treats or I'll pee on the next piece of luggage."
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  10. My first thought on seeing the headline was to wonder whether I’d ever even seen a black person in San Diego. If the segregation factor is all you’re thinking about, I should have seen plenty. It’s tough to form a segregated neighborhood if you don’t have a neighborhood’s worth of population in the first place. A town with precisely one person of color would be maximally integrated no matter where they live.

    Looking at another extreme, La Wik notes: “Detroit remains one of the most racially segregated cities in the United States.” Though if it were completely integrated, every neighborhood would be, essentially, a black neighborhood. Does diversity of diversity count as diversity?

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    I was trying to find the old SNL commercial that makes fun of the fact that all the cult member corpses were wearing Nikes. Ah, here it is, though you have to sit through a real commercial before you can watch the fake one.

    https://view.yahoo.com/show/saturday-night-live/clip/40041383/keds-commerical
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  12. Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).

    When you have a population where a sizeable majority have such characteristics, you have a recipe for stagnation. That city is absolutely insane.

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    • Replies: @Mishra

    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).
     
    Almost hate to mention it, but it's been said here before: when no one knows who the daddies are, you have a situation ripe for accidental incest between half-brothers and half-sisters among others. This doesn't help the genetics problems.
    , @Dale Gribble
    St Louis was the first large city where I had ever lived. I came there right after leaving the active Army for four years. I was shocked to see blacks driving hulking rust buckets around.
    Black career NCO's and officers seemed to favor spit shined BMW's.
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  13. I think blacks in tony parts of Manhattan are better than blacks in worst parts of Harlem.

    If San Diego represents ‘fair housing’, filtering = fair.

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  14. @Hogg-Daddy
    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).

    When you have a population where a sizeable majority have such characteristics, you have a recipe for stagnation. That city is absolutely insane.

    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).

    Almost hate to mention it, but it’s been said here before: when no one knows who the daddies are, you have a situation ripe for accidental incest between half-brothers and half-sisters among others. This doesn’t help the genetics problems.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    When their starting point is so low I don't see that they need outside help (like the lead paint explanation). However: Whites had a painful public conversation about incest as part of the sex abuse education movement of the late eighties and early nineties, and this followed decades of incest-obsessed entertainment trash. Blacks still haven't. But if you look at black pop cultural products not meant for the whole family, incest is a pretty regular plot point. The thing is, they genuinely don't want to talk about it, and they function better than whites at corporate decisions. We know from human interest stories that white people separated at birth accidentally marry, so the expectation must be that in a more fluid culture with less warnings, that must happen more often.
    , @MaMu1977
    You stole my line.
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  15. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Wait… if Negroes are Magic, or Magic Negroes, wouldn’t they, midas-like, turn the dirt under their feet into magic?

    But we are told Negroes must be move to Magic Dirt to have some of that magic.

    So, are Negroes magical or not? If they are magical, why can’t they create their own magic? Why must stand on and feed on other races’ magic?

    I guess that’s just the Magic Logic of the Missing Think.

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  16. In general, blacks tend to do better…without too many other blacks around.

    In Canada, blacks seem to have figured this out on their own.

    In general visible minorities tend to cluster into their own little (or not so little) ethnic enclaves/towns, especially when they accumulate some money and have some more choice as to where they can live. This is how you get suburbs like Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham(45% Chinese) in Ontario. Blacks have the same instinct to escape blighted urban neighbourhoods and set out for the suburbs in considerable numbers, but tend to spread out more. In contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.

    Years ago when volunteering in Toronto, I met several Haitian immigrants. They were each extremely hard-working, family-oriented men, a credit to their people. When I got to know them better, I asked them why they had chosen to come to Toronto (most Haitians settle in French-speaking Montreal). One fellow explained that his main rationale was that he wanted his children to be in a English-speaking environment, as his English was rough(though adequate for many jobs), but his French was quite good. Thus his children could potentially grow up bilingual. The others nodded in agreement. He then waited a few seconds and said that besides, there were too many Haitians in Montreal. At this point his compatriots once more concurred.

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    Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham
     
    Hmm, Surrey, Richmond...any plans to change these to First Nations names? It seems like a spreading trend in Canada. Or is that just in the far north?

    but his French was quite good

     

    Any Haitian who speaks "quite good" French is already part of a thin elite among Haitians.
    , @Perspective

    n contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.
     
    I believe Ajax, a suburb of Toronto, is the blackest city in Canada at about 17 percent. Mostly Caribbeans, but an increasing number of Nigerians and Ethiopians are moving in now. I could see the city eventually becoming a Black Markham.
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  17. TPTB sure are pushing this “fair housing via almighty gummint” mantra.
    Get ready for a new propaganda wave in general. Prolly also to target one or more Trump cabinet members. Maybe Trump himself. Maybe his golf club membership rolls are too white and its unfair and Trumphitler is Racissnazi and we’ll hear about it hourly until the election. TPTB need to agitate their most solid voting block.
    This would ignore increased black employment and counter political benefit Trump and GOP might gain from said increased black jobs numbers.

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  18. Steve wrote:

    [I]t’s possible that blacks do better in environments of… more Christianity.

    Well… having been born in St. Louis and raised in the St. Louis metro area and having lived for several years in San Diego, I can safely say that there is a great deal “more Christianity” in St. Louis than in San Diego. Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

    Other than that, your analysis of St. Louis vs. San Diego sounds plausible.

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    Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

     

    They seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I don't know if the store front, tax evading Christianity that is practiced in black urban areas really counts as the Christianity that Sailer is referring to.

    I suppose I could start a church called "Touch Not My Anointed" in an old Kmart storehouse to get a tax break, but I'm not sure if the morals translate all that well.
    , @cynthia curran
    San Diego like Orange County has a lot of the evangelical megachruches. People that are religious in San Diego are probably more devoted than in St Louis because its by choice not culture.
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  19. @TheBoom
    "In general, blacks tend to do better...without too many other blacks around."

    A consistent reason why blacks do better in evil white countries than their own just Wakanda's

    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands – Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

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    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?
    , @Pericles
    Though the Caribbean should of course be given back to the original inhabitants.
    , @TheJester

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.
     
    My wife and I took a tour of the Grand Bahama Island as part of an ocean cruise. The tour guide was a young black woman, perhaps the most impressive tour guide we have ever seen.

    What impressed us was her absolute lack of invective against white people. In fact, she spent considerable time on the stories of the American investors who made Freeport and the island what they are today ... and the jobs, housing, and improved way of life that resulted from their efforts.

    What? White men somewhere at some time actually did something that blacks appreciate?
    , @Medvedev
    1. Small island nations serve as tax heavens for big corporations and rich people
    2. Large number of American and non-American tourists per capita, since the population is small.

    Just one example: "Having no corporate income tax, Bermuda is a popular tax avoidance location. Google, for example, is known to have shifted over $10 billion in revenue to its Bermuda subsidiary utilising the "Double Irish" and "Dutch Sandwich" tax avoidance strategies, reducing its 2011 tax liability by $2 billion."
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  20. I live in an area that is 80% white, 15% Asian, under 3% Hispanic and under 1% black. The median income is six figures and the median housing price is seven figures. It has one of the lowest black-to-white arrestee ratios in the United States. Blacks in my area are lawyers, doctors, government contractors, etc. The cream of the crop. Hispanics tend to be affluent business owners.

    Yet, the vast majority of sex offenders in the area are Hispanic. The worst underperformers at schools are black youths. And you can probably guess their share of truancy and criminal mischief.

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    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Remember, Twinkie, it's just coincidence. Always.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    My wife is a social worker in the Chicago and surrounding areas. She deals with child/parent separation specifically, and part of her job includes interviewing the parents and children involved in each case. Her observations match yours. Hispanics lead the way in incest and sexual abuse (and they under report), followed by blacks, then whites. Drug abuse related is fairly equal between black and white, followed by Hispanics. Neglect is seemingly highest among white mothers, but those mothers seem to be truly mentally ill in many cases, while black neglect seems to be straight up apathy and selfishness.
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  21. @jimmyriddle
    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands - Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn’t much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups’ members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I’ve met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Bermuda has historically been one of the highest GDP-per-capita countries in the world. The weather is great, other than the occasional hurricane. Why leave?
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.
     
    Sunbeam, I imagine having had things run by the British would beat out having had things run by the French by a good margin. However, it's the time since colonization ended that is probably the bigger factor. Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they've gotten so far.

    Barbados and Jamaica have been (officially) independent for 52 and 56 years, respectively. Thus they have a longer way to go to achieve the state of Wakanda as compared to Haiti. Ever been to Haiti? Apparently, the movies are not always completely accurate about things.
    , @jimmyriddle
    It isn't as simple as British v French.

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the "Smallies" - Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.
    , @Anon
    Both Neville Goddard (white) and his guru Abdullah (black rabbi) were Barbadian (?); they met in NYC. Greatest New Thought figure of the 20th century; rest of his family created Goddard Enterprises, now largest business in the Caribbean. Mystics and entrepreneurs, not calypso singers or gunrunners.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Majority black Barbados, Bermuda, Bahamas all well run places. In quality of life, they beat many European countries. The British legal system and the small island lifestyle help. Black Americans should be looking at the BBBs rather than imaginary KKKs.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    I lived in Bermuda for 11 years.

    Bermudians (note the spelling) do come to the US and Canada for college and medical school etc., and of course some of them marry and stay in the US, but in general Bermuda is a much better place to live than the US, so there is not much incentive to leave, except perhaps that the cost of buying a first home is much higher than in the US.

    Also, Bermuda is very small, with a total population of around 70,000, and lower class Bermudians who have a drug conviction for marijuana, which is a large proportion of the lower economic class, cannot get visas to visit or study in the US.
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  22. @Twinkie
    I live in an area that is 80% white, 15% Asian, under 3% Hispanic and under 1% black. The median income is six figures and the median housing price is seven figures. It has one of the lowest black-to-white arrestee ratios in the United States. Blacks in my area are lawyers, doctors, government contractors, etc. The cream of the crop. Hispanics tend to be affluent business owners.

    Yet, the vast majority of sex offenders in the area are Hispanic. The worst underperformers at schools are black youths. And you can probably guess their share of truancy and criminal mischief.

    Remember, Twinkie, it’s just coincidence. Always.

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  23. @PhysicistDave
    Steve wrote:

    [I]t’s possible that blacks do better in environments of... more Christianity.
     
    Well... having been born in St. Louis and raised in the St. Louis metro area and having lived for several years in San Diego, I can safely say that there is a great deal "more Christianity" in St. Louis than in San Diego. Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is "unchurched" is a long-standing result in sociology.

    Other than that, your analysis of St. Louis vs. San Diego sounds plausible.

    Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

    They seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

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    Maybe this old 1980 movie, Serial, can explain it to you, Pericles. I wish I could find the clip I wanted in which Martin Mull and Tuesday Weld get some gay motorcycle gang to help them bust their movie-daughter out of a cult house in San Francisco.

    "We love you all!" the cult leader guy kept saying.
    "Oh, yeah, prove it!", says the guy in the gay motorcycle gang.

    California may have been the weirdo of The States back then, but it was OUR wierdo.
    , @Lot
    San Diego is the largest city in the USA without water fluoridation. Also the largest without a dental school, NBA team, NFL team, and the largest non sanctuary city.

    The last Democrat mayor was a pre-MeToo casualty of groping. His gropes included several women over the age of 70 and the average was about 55.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Pericles wrote to me:

    They [Californians] seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?
     
    The sociologists think the two things are connected: both a result of Californians' high mobility, and, in particular, the fact that so many Californians do not have families that have been in the state for generations.

    I.e., traditional churches tend to be the result of stable, multi-generational communities. Cults tend to be the result of people not having stable roots and therefore looking for some sort of ersatz community.

    Fits with what I have seen myself of St. Louis vs. California.

    Let me make clear that it is not that St. Louisans are not also crazy in their own way: I could go on and on and on about that. It is just that they tend to be crazy in different ways than Californians.
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  24. @jimmyriddle
    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands - Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

    Though the Caribbean should of course be given back to the original inhabitants.

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    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Aren't they all dead? Like almost 500 years back? I guess the mosquitoes could be given sovereignty.
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  25. Well, my own state’s health care experts have recently assured us that it’s all because of magic dirt and tragic dirt.

    https://countenance.wordpress.com/2018/04/05/soil-dna/

    I suspect the answer to why blacks do so well in San Diego but not so much here and the answer to why San Diego has so many immigrants but not so much here are related.

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  26. http://www.mismatchthebook.com/

    - wanted to highlight that Richard Sander has done interesting work in the affirmative action space

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    Sander is a "critic of affirmative action" based on the mismatch hypothesis, which when you think about it, is more of a reforming than dismantling approach to AA. But the fact that he is considered anti-AA for this shows just how sacred the Ark of the Black Uplift is to our globalist elites.
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  27. I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    “While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not”

    Of course neither statement is true. Talent and opportunity are, to use an old vogue word, synergistic.

    There isn’t a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California and there is even less opportunity. OTOH, Arlington, Va. and Newport, Ca. have lots of talent and opportunity.

    I realize SNHU’s president is hustling for student loan money to keep his academic swindle going but does he really believe his own words?

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    Is Bombay Beach the post-apocalyptic slum near the Salton Sea in the California desert?
    , @Anonymous
    When I first saw that ad about six months ago, my jaw nearly hit the floor. It its original incarnation, the speaker actually said the phrase "Nature distributes talent equally." I wonder if that person actually believes that the only reason he is a useless cog in a student loan scam and not the next Von Neumann or Mozart is his lack of desire to achieve or his lack of access to pianos.

    I then noticed that in subsequent iterations of the ad they cut out that most ridiculous line. Now it appears that it might be back, in a slightly reworded form.

    Meta: I know that a lot of conservatives think that these for profit college scams are a positive thing in the end because they will undercut the higher ed bubble, but I think they may be wrong. These for-profit colleges seem to embody all of the worst aspects - political and economic - of the current university system while adding the ruthless efficiency of the market. That can't be good.

    , @Ivy

    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not”
     
    His pitch is easier now after the name change. South Hampshire Institute of Technology didn't flow.
    , @danand

    There isn’t a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California
     
    Unit472, Bex the Cat-Herder seems to agree with you concerning the California resort town Bombay Beach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDpEc3doBGw

    I know nothing of this cat herders shtick, but @ ~6:15 she tosses in a deadpan "prediction". Images of old postcards from the area, end of clip, are fun.
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  28. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    Bermuda has historically been one of the highest GDP-per-capita countries in the world. The weather is great, other than the occasional hurricane. Why leave?

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    Some of that GDP is down to its idiosyncratic tax arrangements which means it is home to a lot of reinsurance companies.

    https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Bermuda-reinsurance-tax-loophole-work
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  29. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    Sunbeam, I imagine having had things run by the British would beat out having had things run by the French by a good margin. However, it’s the time since colonization ended that is probably the bigger factor. Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they’ve gotten so far.

    Barbados and Jamaica have been (officially) independent for 52 and 56 years, respectively. Thus they have a longer way to go to achieve the state of Wakanda as compared to Haiti. Ever been to Haiti? Apparently, the movies are not always completely accurate about things.

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    Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they’ve gotten so far.
     
    Not really. Haiti's "vibranium" was slavery, which ended at independence. France immediately demanded compensation for lost labor. Haiti took 140-ish years to pay the debt. Sure, they created plenty of ruin on their own, but the country was always subject to greater powers.
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  30. @Pericles

    Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

     

    They seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

    Maybe this old 1980 movie, Serial, can explain it to you, Pericles. I wish I could find the clip I wanted in which Martin Mull and Tuesday Weld get some gay motorcycle gang to help them bust their movie-daughter out of a cult house in San Francisco.

    “We love you all!” the cult leader guy kept saying.
    “Oh, yeah, prove it!”, says the guy in the gay motorcycle gang.

    California may have been the weirdo of The States back then, but it was OUR wierdo.

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  31. I’ll admit that I find the bizarre and persistent lack of interest in the possibility that location choice is caused by unobserved and strategic choices made by the people Chetty studies – with the results dripping down to idiot journalists. It’s very basic endogeneity, the sort of thing that’s discussed in the third month of every basic econometrics course.

    But not these guys. “Golly, we controlled for income and education and the dirt is still magic, or white people are themselves magic for blacks. Either way, amazing results!”

    Here’s a hint, guys. If the effect you are studying is itself caused by strategic investments the units of study are or are not making, you’ve got a problem.

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  32. @PhysicistDave
    Steve wrote:

    [I]t’s possible that blacks do better in environments of... more Christianity.
     
    Well... having been born in St. Louis and raised in the St. Louis metro area and having lived for several years in San Diego, I can safely say that there is a great deal "more Christianity" in St. Louis than in San Diego. Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is "unchurched" is a long-standing result in sociology.

    Other than that, your analysis of St. Louis vs. San Diego sounds plausible.

    I don’t know if the store front, tax evading Christianity that is practiced in black urban areas really counts as the Christianity that Sailer is referring to.

    I suppose I could start a church called “Touch Not My Anointed” in an old Kmart storehouse to get a tax break, but I’m not sure if the morals translate all that well.

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  33. @Twinkie
    I live in an area that is 80% white, 15% Asian, under 3% Hispanic and under 1% black. The median income is six figures and the median housing price is seven figures. It has one of the lowest black-to-white arrestee ratios in the United States. Blacks in my area are lawyers, doctors, government contractors, etc. The cream of the crop. Hispanics tend to be affluent business owners.

    Yet, the vast majority of sex offenders in the area are Hispanic. The worst underperformers at schools are black youths. And you can probably guess their share of truancy and criminal mischief.

    My wife is a social worker in the Chicago and surrounding areas. She deals with child/parent separation specifically, and part of her job includes interviewing the parents and children involved in each case. Her observations match yours. Hispanics lead the way in incest and sexual abuse (and they under report), followed by blacks, then whites. Drug abuse related is fairly equal between black and white, followed by Hispanics. Neglect is seemingly highest among white mothers, but those mothers seem to be truly mentally ill in many cases, while black neglect seems to be straight up apathy and selfishness.

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  34. I noticed a comment on a previous thread that mentioned blacks/whites allegedly getting along better in certain cities in the South, most of which do have military bases. San Diego, being only < 7% black, of course has more going for it, but could this be an explanation for the black people being better off there and elsewhere.

    It's not just the selection process (if there is any left) for soldiers, sailors, and airmen, that may result in slightly more disciplined people. The military pays out the money regularly, people can't just quit and switch jobs, there's the Bx or whatever with good deals, many can live on the base where the housing is paid for, etc.

    Blacks just are very bad with handling money in general; there's no argument there. Even a hardworking black person will often just have his life messed up due to repo's of the vehicles, extra payments due to getting behind on the house, bad deals in income tax dealings due to wanting the refund NOW, paying min-payments on credit cards (the companies LOVE LOVE LOVE these people, but man, you get screwed that way), etc.

    The military automatically gives some order and discipline in the realm of personal finances. I hate to say it this way, but it's a bit like living under a benign slavemaster, but with different terminology and uniforms.

    “Once you set foot on the Bodie Uncle Sam’s plantation, son, you best set your mind to workin’.”

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    The military automatically gives some order and discipline in the realm of personal finances.

    I don't know, but maybe my counter-examples show only that there is no helping some people. Payday loan offices, used car and bad insurance scams, substandard housing, and "prepaid legal" (completely unnecessary for military members) are the signs that you are approaching a military base.
    What used to happen a long time ago was, you were rather tightly controlled and major life decisions had to be bounced off command. You got your CO's permission to get married (no officer I heard talking about this wants this policy brought back). But there are an awful lot of dumb marriages on military bases.
    One day we will decide if we want a military or a social experiment.
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  35. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    It isn’t as simple as British v French.

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the “Smallies” – Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.

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    jimmyriddle,

    Many things about Jamaica (especially its high crime rates) can be explained by the fact that it was the slave ships' last stop where their most incorrigible consignments were deposited.

    , @William Badwhite

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the “Smallies” – Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.
     
    The local blacks on Antigua and St. Lucia (among others) are quite religious and based only on personal experience, quite nice. In the Bahamas they are that way in some of the outer and more remote islands, but in Nassau and Freeport they are violent and crime-prone. I've been to outdoor festival/parties on St. Lucia where I'm one of 3-4 whites and never felt remotely unsafe. Do that in Jamaica and you're in a survival situation.

    Why on some islands they've given up religion and on others they still have it I can't say. Maybe it is cities that are bad for blacks?
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  36. while Blacks tend to do better living in white neighborhoods which are 80% white, such neighborhoods do not last long and are rapidly vanishing.

    it seems people keep assuming that America is 12% Black , but the population under the age of 20 is now 15% Black and 16% mixed race ( of which 10% are mulatto) thus the actual Black population of School age children is closer to 17% while the hispanic population is 20%

    few whites will want to send their children to any high school which is 17% Black and 20% hispanic…is there any high school which is stable once the Black student body is over 15% Black ? The whites start moving out and sending their children to private schools.

    This is partly what occurred in Upper Darby. When I graduated High School 30 years ago it was 2% Black….today the student population is 51% Black and 30% White….but the demographics of Upper Darby is just 25% Black. One reason the high schools is now majority Black is due the an older white population , the other reason is we have 2 Catholic High Schools which attract many of the whites.

    the demographics of the school change much more rapidly than the town’s demographics…once the School population became 12% Black , just 15 years ago , the white families stopped moving in. so it took 15 years to go from 2% Black to 12% Black and another 15 years to become 51% Black..

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    Very true...America is quickly running out of white areas ...how many Schools can be majority white when whites are just 55% of the school-age population , does it help Blacks when they attend schools which are more Hispanic than White ?
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  37. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    Both Neville Goddard (white) and his guru Abdullah (black rabbi) were Barbadian (?); they met in NYC. Greatest New Thought figure of the 20th century; rest of his family created Goddard Enterprises, now largest business in the Caribbean. Mystics and entrepreneurs, not calypso singers or gunrunners.

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  38. @unit472
    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not"

    Of course neither statement is true. Talent and opportunity are, to use an old vogue word, synergistic.

    There isn't a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California and there is even less opportunity. OTOH, Arlington, Va. and Newport, Ca. have lots of talent and opportunity.

    I realize SNHU's president is hustling for student loan money to keep his academic swindle going but does he really believe his own words?

    Is Bombay Beach the post-apocalyptic slum near the Salton Sea in the California desert?

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    That's the one! The state should fix it up a bit and encourage more homeless and motorhome-on-city-street people in nice coastal areas to set up there.

    You make fun of Rahm's Reordering, but if a person's mere presence makes those around him worse off, as is the case for many who are homeless or would be absent public housing, then high density areas are the worst places for them to be.

    California's many desert ghost towns already have paced streets, shelter, and possibly some sewer and utility lines for those populated past 1960.
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  39. Rottweilers and Labradors. If you are a Rottweiler, your quality of life will be much improved if you choose to live in a pack of Labs rather than a pack of Rotts. You will have better eating and mating options and your life expectancy will shoot up.

    Probably doesn’t make life better for the Labs though.

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  40. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not"

    Of course neither statement is true. Talent and opportunity are, to use an old vogue word, synergistic.

    There isn't a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California and there is even less opportunity. OTOH, Arlington, Va. and Newport, Ca. have lots of talent and opportunity.

    I realize SNHU's president is hustling for student loan money to keep his academic swindle going but does he really believe his own words?

    When I first saw that ad about six months ago, my jaw nearly hit the floor. It its original incarnation, the speaker actually said the phrase “Nature distributes talent equally.” I wonder if that person actually believes that the only reason he is a useless cog in a student loan scam and not the next Von Neumann or Mozart is his lack of desire to achieve or his lack of access to pianos.

    I then noticed that in subsequent iterations of the ad they cut out that most ridiculous line. Now it appears that it might be back, in a slightly reworded form.

    Meta: I know that a lot of conservatives think that these for profit college scams are a positive thing in the end because they will undercut the higher ed bubble, but I think they may be wrong. These for-profit colleges seem to embody all of the worst aspects – political and economic – of the current university system while adding the ruthless efficiency of the market. That can’t be good.

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  41. @jimmyriddle
    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands - Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

    My wife and I took a tour of the Grand Bahama Island as part of an ocean cruise. The tour guide was a young black woman, perhaps the most impressive tour guide we have ever seen.

    What impressed us was her absolute lack of invective against white people. In fact, she spent considerable time on the stories of the American investors who made Freeport and the island what they are today … and the jobs, housing, and improved way of life that resulted from their efforts.

    What? White men somewhere at some time actually did something that blacks appreciate?

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  42. Yes, but “careful research.”

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  43. @Buzz Mohawk
    What's amazing is how abruptly the magic dirt runs out at the border.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vFBWfwL8s2I/maxresdefault.jpg

    Which side is which?

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  44. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:

    As usual Sailer cuts to the meat of the issue quickly and effortlessly. ““index of dissimilarity,”, good lord all the time energy money spent on the ridiculous scientific circus show trying to explain what cannot be uttered–no one, not even blacks, wants to live around blacks, and the farther you get from large groups of blacks, the better the outcome.
    In the immortal words of Sailer himself, Success in America means being able to afford to live away from black people.

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  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    What's amazing is how abruptly the magic dirt runs out at the border.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vFBWfwL8s2I/maxresdefault.jpg

    Duh! That’s why they put the border there!

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  46. @LKM

    In general, blacks tend to do better...without too many other blacks around.
     
    In Canada, blacks seem to have figured this out on their own.

    In general visible minorities tend to cluster into their own little (or not so little) ethnic enclaves/towns, especially when they accumulate some money and have some more choice as to where they can live. This is how you get suburbs like Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham(45% Chinese) in Ontario. Blacks have the same instinct to escape blighted urban neighbourhoods and set out for the suburbs in considerable numbers, but tend to spread out more. In contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.

    Years ago when volunteering in Toronto, I met several Haitian immigrants. They were each extremely hard-working, family-oriented men, a credit to their people. When I got to know them better, I asked them why they had chosen to come to Toronto (most Haitians settle in French-speaking Montreal). One fellow explained that his main rationale was that he wanted his children to be in a English-speaking environment, as his English was rough(though adequate for many jobs), but his French was quite good. Thus his children could potentially grow up bilingual. The others nodded in agreement. He then waited a few seconds and said that besides, there were too many Haitians in Montreal. At this point his compatriots once more concurred.

    Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham

    Hmm, Surrey, Richmond…any plans to change these to First Nations names? It seems like a spreading trend in Canada. Or is that just in the far north?

    but his French was quite good

    Any Haitian who speaks “quite good” French is already part of a thin elite among Haitians.

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    The city of Squamish -- about 1 hour north of Vancouver -- is called "Sḵwx̱wú7mesh" in the language White shit-libs at UBC dreamed up on behalf of our saintly and indispensable N8vs.

    Yeah, that's a seven you're seeing.
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  47. My first thought on seeing the headline was to wonder whether I’d ever even seen a black person in San Diego…

    There was that police lieutenant from Simon & Simon.

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    and Tony Gwynn when he played for the Padres.
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  48. @jimmyriddle
    It isn't as simple as British v French.

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the "Smallies" - Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.

    jimmyriddle,

    Many things about Jamaica (especially its high crime rates) can be explained by the fact that it was the slave ships’ last stop where their most incorrigible consignments were deposited.

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    You sure about that? Can you provide a source for that assertion?
    There were several slave ship stops past Jamaica. New Orleans, Savannah, Charleston, etc.
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  49. Anon[425]:
    “But we are told Negroes must be move to Magic Dirt to have some of that magic.”

    You spell like a Negro.

    Jus sayin.

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  50. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    Majority black Barbados, Bermuda, Bahamas all well run places. In quality of life, they beat many European countries. The British legal system and the small island lifestyle help. Black Americans should be looking at the BBBs rather than imaginary KKKs.

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  51. @Pericles
    Though the Caribbean should of course be given back to the original inhabitants.

    Aren’t they all dead? Like almost 500 years back? I guess the mosquitoes could be given sovereignty.

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  52. @Steve Sailer
    Is Bombay Beach the post-apocalyptic slum near the Salton Sea in the California desert?

    That’s the one! The state should fix it up a bit and encourage more homeless and motorhome-on-city-street people in nice coastal areas to set up there.

    You make fun of Rahm’s Reordering, but if a person’s mere presence makes those around him worse off, as is the case for many who are homeless or would be absent public housing, then high density areas are the worst places for them to be.

    California’s many desert ghost towns already have paced streets, shelter, and possibly some sewer and utility lines for those populated past 1960.

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    The Central Valley along CA Rte. 99 is replete with such Progressive Era/Dust Bowl "ghost towns"--these are even discernable within a 30 minute drive of Sacramento. The infrastructure is OK... If I were a rehab entrepreneur they wouldn't necessarily be at the top of the list.

    Future of California is going to be interesting
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  53. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @RSF
    http://www.mismatchthebook.com/

    - wanted to highlight that Richard Sander has done interesting work in the affirmative action space

    Sander is a “critic of affirmative action” based on the mismatch hypothesis, which when you think about it, is more of a reforming than dismantling approach to AA. But the fact that he is considered anti-AA for this shows just how sacred the Ark of the Black Uplift is to our globalist elites.

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  54. @Pericles

    Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

     

    They seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

    San Diego is the largest city in the USA without water fluoridation. Also the largest without a dental school, NBA team, NFL team, and the largest non sanctuary city.

    The last Democrat mayor was a pre-MeToo casualty of groping. His gropes included several women over the age of 70 and the average was about 55.

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    No water fluoridation, San Diego way back in the 1960's had John Birchers like Orange County and voted for Barry Goldwater. Non-Sanctuary city, the Superviors join Orange County supervisors on this, I told everyone that not all Ca is progressive Democratic like Vdare and National Review says it is eventually some of it will reverse from the Democrats since in Ca they are pushing the more progressive wing.
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  55. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    That's the one! The state should fix it up a bit and encourage more homeless and motorhome-on-city-street people in nice coastal areas to set up there.

    You make fun of Rahm's Reordering, but if a person's mere presence makes those around him worse off, as is the case for many who are homeless or would be absent public housing, then high density areas are the worst places for them to be.

    California's many desert ghost towns already have paced streets, shelter, and possibly some sewer and utility lines for those populated past 1960.

    The Central Valley along CA Rte. 99 is replete with such Progressive Era/Dust Bowl “ghost towns”–these are even discernable within a 30 minute drive of Sacramento. The infrastructure is OK… If I were a rehab entrepreneur they wouldn’t necessarily be at the top of the list.

    Future of California is going to be interesting

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    VDH covers such trends (see his book Mexifornia) along with his work in Classics.

    http://victorhanson.com/
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  56. I downloaded dissimilarity index and population data for 318 metro areas from http://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_dissimilarity_white_black.html
    That page offers a number of ways to look at population data by race. One that might be of interest is looking at charts per city. Here is San Diego: http://www.censusscope.org/us/m7320/chart_dissimilarity.html

    It is odd that it is possible to rank metro areas by DI of whites with respect to all other groups EXCEPT for Hispanics. Perhaps because Hispanic is an ethnicity, but if you look at the city pages they show White-Hispanic DI there.

    The correlation of % Black (either Black/Total or Black/(B+W)) with DI was between 0.31 and 0.32 which was lower than I expected.

    Correlation of DI with Black population was 0.4.

    Here are some summary stats for DI in those metro areas.

    Mean 58.6
    Median 59
    Mode 66.2
    Standard Deviation 11.7
    Minimum 31.7 (Jacksonville, NC)
    Maximum 87.9 (Gary, IN)

    Top and bottom five.

    Rank Metro Area Black Population White Population Total Population Dissimilarity Index
    1 Gary, IN 122,686 428,791 631,362 87.9
    2 Detroit, MI 1,012,262 3,096,900 4,441,551 86.7
    3 Milwaukee-Waukesha, WI 232,247 1,116,150 1,500,741 84.4
    4 New York, NY 2,118,957 3,684,669 9,314,235 84.3
    5 Chicago, IL 1,541,641 4,798,533 8,272,768 83.6

    314 Missoula, MT * 255 89,226 95,802 34.9
    315 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA 2,160 167,464 255,602 34.4
    316 Lawrence, KS 4,148 84,543 99,962 33.6
    317 Yolo, CA 3,133 97,942 168,660 31.8
    318 Jacksonville, NC 27,162 104,600 150,355 31.7

    If anyone has a more comprehensive demographic dataset for those metro areas it might be interesting to look for other correlations. Regional comparisons would be interesting as well.

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  57. South East San Diego is where the blacks are concentrated in San Diego County. They make up about 25% of the population and hispanics 45%. Asians make up about another 25% but they aren’t the “good kind” of Asians. It’s a third world poophole as you can imagine. But it keeps the housing prices down.

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  58. @Sunbeam
    Then there is Haiti and Jamaica.

    The founding event that created Barbados isn't much different than that of Haiti, yet the two islands are vastly different. Along with the life results of both groups' members that find their way to the US.

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.

    As an aside, I've met people from Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Barbados, Cuba, Virgin Islands, etc. in the US.

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    But not a single Bermudan to my recollection. Do they ever leave? Is there an economic reason most decades for them to want to?

    I lived in Bermuda for 11 years.

    Bermudians (note the spelling) do come to the US and Canada for college and medical school etc., and of course some of them marry and stay in the US, but in general Bermuda is a much better place to live than the US, so there is not much incentive to leave, except perhaps that the cost of buying a first home is much higher than in the US.

    Also, Bermuda is very small, with a total population of around 70,000, and lower class Bermudians who have a drug conviction for marijuana, which is a large proportion of the lower economic class, cannot get visas to visit or study in the US.

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  59. @Travis
    while Blacks tend to do better living in white neighborhoods which are 80% white, such neighborhoods do not last long and are rapidly vanishing.

    it seems people keep assuming that America is 12% Black , but the population under the age of 20 is now 15% Black and 16% mixed race ( of which 10% are mulatto) thus the actual Black population of School age children is closer to 17% while the hispanic population is 20%

    few whites will want to send their children to any high school which is 17% Black and 20% hispanic...is there any high school which is stable once the Black student body is over 15% Black ? The whites start moving out and sending their children to private schools.

    This is partly what occurred in Upper Darby. When I graduated High School 30 years ago it was 2% Black....today the student population is 51% Black and 30% White....but the demographics of Upper Darby is just 25% Black. One reason the high schools is now majority Black is due the an older white population , the other reason is we have 2 Catholic High Schools which attract many of the whites.

    the demographics of the school change much more rapidly than the town's demographics...once the School population became 12% Black , just 15 years ago , the white families stopped moving in. so it took 15 years to go from 2% Black to 12% Black and another 15 years to become 51% Black..

    Very true…America is quickly running out of white areas …how many Schools can be majority white when whites are just 55% of the school-age population , does it help Blacks when they attend schools which are more Hispanic than White ?

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  60. but it’s possible that blacks do better in environments of less welfare, more jobs, cheaper housing, and more Christianity.

    And there is a group that doesn’t?

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  61. @Anonymous
    The Central Valley along CA Rte. 99 is replete with such Progressive Era/Dust Bowl "ghost towns"--these are even discernable within a 30 minute drive of Sacramento. The infrastructure is OK... If I were a rehab entrepreneur they wouldn't necessarily be at the top of the list.

    Future of California is going to be interesting

    VDH covers such trends (see his book Mexifornia) along with his work in Classics.

    http://victorhanson.com/

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  62. @jimmyriddle
    It isn't as simple as British v French.

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the "Smallies" - Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the “Smallies” – Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.

    The local blacks on Antigua and St. Lucia (among others) are quite religious and based only on personal experience, quite nice. In the Bahamas they are that way in some of the outer and more remote islands, but in Nassau and Freeport they are violent and crime-prone. I’ve been to outdoor festival/parties on St. Lucia where I’m one of 3-4 whites and never felt remotely unsafe. Do that in Jamaica and you’re in a survival situation.

    Why on some islands they’ve given up religion and on others they still have it I can’t say. Maybe it is cities that are bad for blacks?

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    It's not necessarily religion that such people have given up, but civilization.
    , @jimmyriddle
    So Nassau is violent these days? What would Sheriff John Stone have to say about that?
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  63. @Polichinello
    My first thought on seeing the headline was to wonder whether I’d ever even seen a black person in San Diego...

    There was that police lieutenant from Simon & Simon.

    and Tony Gwynn when he played for the Padres.

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    ...and Tony Gwynn when he played for the Padres.
     
    And the nutty Charger that once told owner Gene Klein, "I'm Escondido". To which Klein added in his memoir, “apparently confusing himself with a small town north of San Diego.”

    But then maybe his player had picked up some Spanglish, and was in hiding.
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  64. Perhaps one should keep in mind that St. Louis is dominated by the racist-supremacist, foreign sect that owns Monsanto. The sect is always pushing “racist propaganda” as a means of “divide and conquer” to keep the majority population dumb, divided, distracted and easy to manipulate. No surprise that Ferguson is in that part of the country.

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  65. @Brutusale
    Bermuda has historically been one of the highest GDP-per-capita countries in the world. The weather is great, other than the occasional hurricane. Why leave?

    Some of that GDP is down to its idiosyncratic tax arrangements which means it is home to a lot of reinsurance companies.

    https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Bermuda-reinsurance-tax-loophole-work

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  66. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    So, Negroes are better off outnumbered by whites than big in numbers on their own.

    Whites on their own can have nice communities. Too many whites is never a problem to whites except under PC logic that says whites gain from ‘diversity’.

    But too many blacks is always a problem. Black norms dominate and Detroitization happens.

    Anyway, all these ‘housing studies’ are essentially race-ist despite the PC bullshit. They all imply that blackness is bad and toxic and destructive. So, blacks MUST be outnumbered by non-blacks in order to conform to better norms. Blacks on their own are destined to fail because blackness is nasty stuff.

    If indeed blackness is magical, an all black community would be vibranium-like and so happy and rich. But blackness ruins communities… and that is why blacks must move to places where they are outnumbered by others. It’s what a bit of Aristotlean logic makes us aware of.

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  67. Isn’t just about everyone better off in San Diego than in St Louis?

    (Except football titans, I guess. Both cities just saw their teams return to LA.)

    What is fascinating is that San Diego appears to be the best-run big city in California, which is not what you’d expect from its border locations. Just like it’s surprising that El Paso is one of the safest large cities in the US, despite (because?) its proximity to Juarez, until recently the most deadly city in the world.

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    Nobody else seems to have hypothesized this, but my guess is that the vast increase in profitable criminality in Mexico since roughly the death of Pablo Escobar in Columbia a quarter of a century ago has made American border regions better off by persuading bad guys to go into a life of crime in Mexico rather than in America.
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  68. @William Badwhite

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the “Smallies” – Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.
     
    The local blacks on Antigua and St. Lucia (among others) are quite religious and based only on personal experience, quite nice. In the Bahamas they are that way in some of the outer and more remote islands, but in Nassau and Freeport they are violent and crime-prone. I've been to outdoor festival/parties on St. Lucia where I'm one of 3-4 whites and never felt remotely unsafe. Do that in Jamaica and you're in a survival situation.

    Why on some islands they've given up religion and on others they still have it I can't say. Maybe it is cities that are bad for blacks?

    It’s not necessarily religion that such people have given up, but civilization.

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  69. @William Badwhite
    and Tony Gwynn when he played for the Padres.

    …and Tony Gwynn when he played for the Padres.

    And the nutty Charger that once told owner Gene Klein, “I’m Escondido”. To which Klein added in his memoir, “apparently confusing himself with a small town north of San Diego.”

    But then maybe his player had picked up some Spanglish, and was in hiding.

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  70. @Pericles

    Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is “unchurched” is a long-standing result in sociology.

     

    They seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

    Pericles wrote to me:

    They [Californians] seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

    The sociologists think the two things are connected: both a result of Californians’ high mobility, and, in particular, the fact that so many Californians do not have families that have been in the state for generations.

    I.e., traditional churches tend to be the result of stable, multi-generational communities. Cults tend to be the result of people not having stable roots and therefore looking for some sort of ersatz community.

    Fits with what I have seen myself of St. Louis vs. California.

    Let me make clear that it is not that St. Louisans are not also crazy in their own way: I could go on and on and on about that. It is just that they tend to be crazy in different ways than Californians.

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    They [Californians] seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?
     
    The sociologists think the two things are connected: both a result of Californians’ high mobility, and, in particular, the fact that so many Californians do not have families that have been in the state for generations.
     
    Frank Lloyd Wright said that the country was tilted to the southwest, so everything loose ended up in California.
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  71. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    The only reason blacks appear to be doing better in some cities like Seattle is because a large number have moved out to the suburbs. The small number remained have been “gentrified”, i.e. their income/test score statistics are now buried with whites’ statistics which make them look better. Meanwhile new black ghettos are popping up in suburban cities like Renton, Federal Way, Tacoma, and people know which neighborhoods and schools to avoid in those cities.

    The problem didn’t go away, it just moved to a different place.

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  72. The past two summers when I visited California I ducked down to San Diego for a few days to watch the fireworks on the 4th of July.

    Anyway, my friend owns a small business in Barrio Logan and lives over in Mission valley or Hills or whatever it’s called. Long story short when we met up to chill he was surprised because henever goes downtown and he was shocked at how changed downtown SD had become and showed me the buildings his father used to own and the business his father ran downtown…..the one thing he emphasized to me was how downtown SD was moving “up” with the skyscrapers as there wasn’t much affordable land left to expand west or South or north.

    I liked San Diego almost as much as I did Los Angeles.

    Nice weather, the homeless aren’t as aggressive, or aren’t at least in the Gaslamp.

    My friend stopped by a grocery store and showed me a parking garage and industrial building in west downtown San Diego and said DAMN because some developer had bought it up to bulldoze it to put up condo towers.

    When he dropped me off at the Greyhound hut in San Diego in 2016 we were stunned at the random condo towers going up by the homeless encampment near Petco Park.

    When I came back this year there were EVEN MORE condos and the only store open after ten pm was the Somali owned 7-11 by the Petco Park.

    GENTRIFIED TO THE GET OUT.

    Same in LA when I was by the LACC in 2016 they were constructing ONE CONDO AND ONE HOTEL….

    I came back this summer and the entire clear view East of LA Live was covered by like 7–8 condo towers off what looked like Flower Street….

    The blacks in San Diego and to a smaller extent Austin or San Antonio are middle class or affluent enough to not associate with the hood.

    When I was working on the oil spill clean up in 2010 90% of my crew were local blacks. Our foreman was a cleanup specialist from Sacramento….black guy….a guy on my crew told him to his face “n-gga, you white….”….

    The blacks in California….for the most part would be called “white” out east…..and hence unless they look homeless you generally don’t mind walking past them on the sidewalk…. most of the ones I met in LA were nerdier than me.

    They thought I was a bigger because i was telling them about southern crunk rap.

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  73. @International Jew

    Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham
     
    Hmm, Surrey, Richmond...any plans to change these to First Nations names? It seems like a spreading trend in Canada. Or is that just in the far north?

    but his French was quite good

     

    Any Haitian who speaks "quite good" French is already part of a thin elite among Haitians.

    The city of Squamish — about 1 hour north of Vancouver — is called “Sḵwx̱wú7mesh” in the language White shit-libs at UBC dreamed up on behalf of our saintly and indispensable N8vs.

    Yeah, that’s a seven you’re seeing.

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  74. @William Badwhite

    Jamaica has sky high crime rates, Trinidad slightly less so, and then you have the “Smallies” – Barbados, Bahamas, Bremuda, Grenada, Antigua etc which have relatively low crime rates.

    Maybe it has something to do with the plantation economies on the big islands. Or, perhaps, small, less complex, societies are just better for Blacks.
     
    The local blacks on Antigua and St. Lucia (among others) are quite religious and based only on personal experience, quite nice. In the Bahamas they are that way in some of the outer and more remote islands, but in Nassau and Freeport they are violent and crime-prone. I've been to outdoor festival/parties on St. Lucia where I'm one of 3-4 whites and never felt remotely unsafe. Do that in Jamaica and you're in a survival situation.

    Why on some islands they've given up religion and on others they still have it I can't say. Maybe it is cities that are bad for blacks?

    So Nassau is violent these days? What would Sheriff John Stone have to say about that?

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    Man, I really like the obscure musical references (if I get 'em.)

    This is way different than the Beach Boy's version, but just as good!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md09xy8ffX8
    , @William Badwhite
    Yes unfortunately.

    Just a blurb from the State Dept's view on the subject: "The government has not made public comprehensive updated national crime statistics since July 2013. However, the murder rate increased by 22 percent in 2015. Police recorded 149 murders in 2015, up from 122 in 2014. For the fifth consecutive year, the murder count surpassed 100 (in 2010, there were 94 murders).

    2015 was the most deadly year in Bahamian history. The Bahamas sustained remarkably high levels of violent armed crimes in 2015. The Royal Bahamas Police Force (RBPF) continued administering policing methods, which included indiscriminate armed-checkpoints and a robust crime reduction plan in tourist areas.

    https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=19192
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  75. @LKM

    In general, blacks tend to do better...without too many other blacks around.
     
    In Canada, blacks seem to have figured this out on their own.

    In general visible minorities tend to cluster into their own little (or not so little) ethnic enclaves/towns, especially when they accumulate some money and have some more choice as to where they can live. This is how you get suburbs like Surrey(31% Indian) and Richmond(53% Chinese) in BC and Brampton(44% Indian) and Markham(45% Chinese) in Ontario. Blacks have the same instinct to escape blighted urban neighbourhoods and set out for the suburbs in considerable numbers, but tend to spread out more. In contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.

    Years ago when volunteering in Toronto, I met several Haitian immigrants. They were each extremely hard-working, family-oriented men, a credit to their people. When I got to know them better, I asked them why they had chosen to come to Toronto (most Haitians settle in French-speaking Montreal). One fellow explained that his main rationale was that he wanted his children to be in a English-speaking environment, as his English was rough(though adequate for many jobs), but his French was quite good. Thus his children could potentially grow up bilingual. The others nodded in agreement. He then waited a few seconds and said that besides, there were too many Haitians in Montreal. At this point his compatriots once more concurred.

    n contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.

    I believe Ajax, a suburb of Toronto, is the blackest city in Canada at about 17 percent. Mostly Caribbeans, but an increasing number of Nigerians and Ethiopians are moving in now. I could see the city eventually becoming a Black Markham.

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    Perhaps in that it will have a lot of black people, but I'm skeptical that Nigerians will want their kids mixing socially with Caribbeans. In my (albeit limited) experience, Nigerians aren't crazy about Jamaicans. I've heard Nigerians rant about them in ways that would make iStevers blush. Whether or not their children assimilate to black North American norms is another matter entirely.
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  76. @utu
    Some did not like Rancho Santa Fe.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-heavens-gate-tragedy-remains-the-countrys-worst-2007mar26-story.html

    I was trying to find the old SNL commercial that makes fun of the fact that all the cult member corpses were wearing Nikes. Ah, here it is, though you have to sit through a real commercial before you can watch the fake one.

    https://view.yahoo.com/show/saturday-night-live/clip/40041383/keds-commerical

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  77. @Mishra
    Customs Dogs? We no have no customs dogs!
    WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CUSTOMS DOGS!

    https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2017/11/30230911/Beagle_Brigade-Animal-Plant_Health_Inspection_Service_APHIS_USDA.jpg

    Customs Dogs? We no have no customs dogs!
    WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ CUSTOMS DOGS!

    That dog almost has some human expression and attitude, like “Give me better training treats or I’ll pee on the next piece of luggage.”

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  78. @unit472
    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not"

    Of course neither statement is true. Talent and opportunity are, to use an old vogue word, synergistic.

    There isn't a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California and there is even less opportunity. OTOH, Arlington, Va. and Newport, Ca. have lots of talent and opportunity.

    I realize SNHU's president is hustling for student loan money to keep his academic swindle going but does he really believe his own words?

    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    “While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not”

    His pitch is easier now after the name change. South Hampshire Institute of Technology didn’t flow.

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    It’s still an example of how a directional adjective in a college name indicates a lower-tier school.
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  79. @Achmed E. Newman

    Some people might invoke French vs. English colonialism. Dunno. Not going to wiki it, but my memory indicates that while Haiti was a French colony, both Jamaica and Barbados were British possessions.
     
    Sunbeam, I imagine having had things run by the British would beat out having had things run by the French by a good margin. However, it's the time since colonization ended that is probably the bigger factor. Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they've gotten so far.

    Barbados and Jamaica have been (officially) independent for 52 and 56 years, respectively. Thus they have a longer way to go to achieve the state of Wakanda as compared to Haiti. Ever been to Haiti? Apparently, the movies are not always completely accurate about things.

    Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they’ve gotten so far.

    Not really. Haiti’s “vibranium” was slavery, which ended at independence. France immediately demanded compensation for lost labor. Haiti took 140-ish years to pay the debt. Sure, they created plenty of ruin on their own, but the country was always subject to greater powers.

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    All nations that achieved their independence in the Americas had some kind of debt. Many if not all the Latin countries had debts to the British, who helped them against the Spanish. And true enough, said countries always suffered to some degree due to governments reducing their public spending to service the debt - but some did better than others to balance things. The US if I'm not mistaken repaid the debt it had to the French, and the Latin Americans eventually broke even with the UK - until they got much more heavily in debt with Western creditors post-WW2. Not to mention the interventionist US and British entrepreneurs in several nations...

    All this said... as harsh as those external forces were in Latin American republican history, the management of the external debt could have been done much better, as was done in some countries. And no, not necessarily cutting every public service in payment of the debt, which did happen in some countries - but other countries simply had particular governments that took in more debt than others, others that organized their productivity better so as to pay the debt quicker or at least have enough public spending. Haiti probably had a heavy debt, but unlike all the others, it didn't seem to care to at least set up some sort of united self-sustaining nation. You cannot blame that on mere external debt and foreign pressures, specially considering that the majority of debt incurred in by Third World nations happened in the postwar period and increased between the 70s and 80s where it felled several economies (Mexican crisis and the domino effect).
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  80. @Perspective

    n contrast to the other major groups, no municipality is over 17% black in the entire country.
     
    I believe Ajax, a suburb of Toronto, is the blackest city in Canada at about 17 percent. Mostly Caribbeans, but an increasing number of Nigerians and Ethiopians are moving in now. I could see the city eventually becoming a Black Markham.

    Perhaps in that it will have a lot of black people, but I’m skeptical that Nigerians will want their kids mixing socially with Caribbeans. In my (albeit limited) experience, Nigerians aren’t crazy about Jamaicans. I’ve heard Nigerians rant about them in ways that would make iStevers blush. Whether or not their children assimilate to black North American norms is another matter entirely.

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    Interestingly I've found that Ethiopians also have a low opinion of Jamaicans and the Jamaican fetish surrounding the late Emperor Haile Selassie to be a bit silly. But then Ethiopians tend to have a fairly low opinion of all non Ethiopians.
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  81. @jimmyriddle
    So Nassau is violent these days? What would Sheriff John Stone have to say about that?

    Man, I really like the obscure musical references (if I get ‘em.)

    This is way different than the Beach Boy’s version, but just as good!

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    BTW, unique among the Beach Boys' oeuvre, SJB was a 'traditional'.
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  82. @Reg Cæsar
    Isn't just about everyone better off in San Diego than in St Louis?

    (Except football titans, I guess. Both cities just saw their teams return to LA.)

    What is fascinating is that San Diego appears to be the best-run big city in California, which is not what you'd expect from its border locations. Just like it's surprising that El Paso is one of the safest large cities in the US, despite (because?) its proximity to Juarez, until recently the most deadly city in the world.

    Nobody else seems to have hypothesized this, but my guess is that the vast increase in profitable criminality in Mexico since roughly the death of Pablo Escobar in Columbia a quarter of a century ago has made American border regions better off by persuading bad guys to go into a life of crime in Mexico rather than in America.

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  83. @Achmed E. Newman
    Man, I really like the obscure musical references (if I get 'em.)

    This is way different than the Beach Boy's version, but just as good!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md09xy8ffX8

    BTW, unique among the Beach Boys’ oeuvre, SJB was a ‘traditional’.

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  84. @Hogg-Daddy
    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).

    When you have a population where a sizeable majority have such characteristics, you have a recipe for stagnation. That city is absolutely insane.

    St Louis was the first large city where I had ever lived. I came there right after leaving the active Army for four years. I was shocked to see blacks driving hulking rust buckets around.
    Black career NCO’s and officers seemed to favor spit shined BMW’s.

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  85. @PhysicistDave
    Steve wrote:

    [I]t’s possible that blacks do better in environments of... more Christianity.
     
    Well... having been born in St. Louis and raised in the St. Louis metro area and having lived for several years in San Diego, I can safely say that there is a great deal "more Christianity" in St. Louis than in San Diego. Indeed, I found out as an adult that the fact that California is "unchurched" is a long-standing result in sociology.

    Other than that, your analysis of St. Louis vs. San Diego sounds plausible.

    San Diego like Orange County has a lot of the evangelical megachruches. People that are religious in San Diego are probably more devoted than in St Louis because its by choice not culture.

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  86. @Lot
    San Diego is the largest city in the USA without water fluoridation. Also the largest without a dental school, NBA team, NFL team, and the largest non sanctuary city.

    The last Democrat mayor was a pre-MeToo casualty of groping. His gropes included several women over the age of 70 and the average was about 55.

    No water fluoridation, San Diego way back in the 1960′s had John Birchers like Orange County and voted for Barry Goldwater. Non-Sanctuary city, the Superviors join Orange County supervisors on this, I told everyone that not all Ca is progressive Democratic like Vdare and National Review says it is eventually some of it will reverse from the Democrats since in Ca they are pushing the more progressive wing.

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  87. @LKM
    Perhaps in that it will have a lot of black people, but I'm skeptical that Nigerians will want their kids mixing socially with Caribbeans. In my (albeit limited) experience, Nigerians aren't crazy about Jamaicans. I've heard Nigerians rant about them in ways that would make iStevers blush. Whether or not their children assimilate to black North American norms is another matter entirely.

    Interestingly I’ve found that Ethiopians also have a low opinion of Jamaicans and the Jamaican fetish surrounding the late Emperor Haile Selassie to be a bit silly. But then Ethiopians tend to have a fairly low opinion of all non Ethiopians.

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  88. @Ivy

    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not”
     
    His pitch is easier now after the name change. South Hampshire Institute of Technology didn't flow.

    It’s still an example of how a directional adjective in a college name indicates a lower-tier school.

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  89. @Dan Hayes
    jimmyriddle,

    Many things about Jamaica (especially its high crime rates) can be explained by the fact that it was the slave ships' last stop where their most incorrigible consignments were deposited.

    You sure about that? Can you provide a source for that assertion?
    There were several slave ship stops past Jamaica. New Orleans, Savannah, Charleston, etc.

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    North Carolina Resident:

    I can't be sure about my assertion as it was based on readings some time ago.
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  90. @unit472
    I had the TV on yesterday and an ad for Southern New Hampshire University came on. Its president was hawking his on line degree program and made this claim.

    "While talent is distributed equally everywhere opportunity is not"

    Of course neither statement is true. Talent and opportunity are, to use an old vogue word, synergistic.

    There isn't a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California and there is even less opportunity. OTOH, Arlington, Va. and Newport, Ca. have lots of talent and opportunity.

    I realize SNHU's president is hustling for student loan money to keep his academic swindle going but does he really believe his own words?

    There isn’t a lot of talent in Laurel Fork, Virginia or Bombay Beach, California

    Unit472, Bex the Cat-Herder seems to agree with you concerning the California resort town Bombay Beach.

    I know nothing of this cat herders shtick, but @ ~6:15 she tosses in a deadpan “prediction”. Images of old postcards from the area, end of clip, are fun.

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  91. @jimmyriddle
    IMHO they do best in small Caribbean islands - Bermuda, Barbados etc

    These places are socially conservative, religious, with no large cities and do not have much racial resentment against Whites.

    1. Small island nations serve as tax heavens for big corporations and rich people
    2. Large number of American and non-American tourists per capita, since the population is small.

    Just one example: “Having no corporate income tax, Bermuda is a popular tax avoidance location. Google, for example, is known to have shifted over $10 billion in revenue to its Bermuda subsidiary utilising the “Double Irish” and “Dutch Sandwich” tax avoidance strategies, reducing its 2011 tax liability by $2 billion.”

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    Agreed. Sometimes we forget race, IQ, culture, are in the end results of pressure. And thus we should include all sources of pressure, including more direct availability of resources. Small islands without much land or labor but lots of scenery that tourists like to visit make for either excellent stop overs for ships (in the past) and excellent tax havens in the international order. That said, there are nuances, based of course on the other factors that include the above. Just that sometimes people forget Occam's razor and focus only on some factors.
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  92. @jimmyriddle
    So Nassau is violent these days? What would Sheriff John Stone have to say about that?

    Yes unfortunately.

    Just a blurb from the State Dept’s view on the subject: “The government has not made public comprehensive updated national crime statistics since July 2013. However, the murder rate increased by 22 percent in 2015. Police recorded 149 murders in 2015, up from 122 in 2014. For the fifth consecutive year, the murder count surpassed 100 (in 2010, there were 94 murders).

    2015 was the most deadly year in Bahamian history. The Bahamas sustained remarkably high levels of violent armed crimes in 2015. The Royal Bahamas Police Force (RBPF) continued administering policing methods, which included indiscriminate armed-checkpoints and a robust crime reduction plan in tourist areas.

    https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=19192

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  93. @Achmed E. Newman
    I noticed a comment on a previous thread that mentioned blacks/whites allegedly getting along better in certain cities in the South, most of which do have military bases. San Diego, being only < 7% black, of course has more going for it, but could this be an explanation for the black people being better off there and elsewhere.

    It's not just the selection process (if there is any left) for soldiers, sailors, and airmen, that may result in slightly more disciplined people. The military pays out the money regularly, people can't just quit and switch jobs, there's the Bx or whatever with good deals, many can live on the base where the housing is paid for, etc.

    Blacks just are very bad with handling money in general; there's no argument there. Even a hardworking black person will often just have his life messed up due to repo's of the vehicles, extra payments due to getting behind on the house, bad deals in income tax dealings due to wanting the refund NOW, paying min-payments on credit cards (the companies LOVE LOVE LOVE these people, but man, you get screwed that way), etc.

    The military automatically gives some order and discipline in the realm of personal finances. I hate to say it this way, but it's a bit like living under a benign slavemaster, but with different terminology and uniforms.

    "Once you set foot on the Bodie Uncle Sam's plantation, son, you best set your mind to workin'."

    The military automatically gives some order and discipline in the realm of personal finances.

    I don’t know, but maybe my counter-examples show only that there is no helping some people. Payday loan offices, used car and bad insurance scams, substandard housing, and “prepaid legal” (completely unnecessary for military members) are the signs that you are approaching a military base.
    What used to happen a long time ago was, you were rather tightly controlled and major life decisions had to be bounced off command. You got your CO’s permission to get married (no officer I heard talking about this wants this policy brought back). But there are an awful lot of dumb marriages on military bases.
    One day we will decide if we want a military or a social experiment.

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  94. @Mishra

    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).
     
    Almost hate to mention it, but it's been said here before: when no one knows who the daddies are, you have a situation ripe for accidental incest between half-brothers and half-sisters among others. This doesn't help the genetics problems.

    When their starting point is so low I don’t see that they need outside help (like the lead paint explanation). However: Whites had a painful public conversation about incest as part of the sex abuse education movement of the late eighties and early nineties, and this followed decades of incest-obsessed entertainment trash. Blacks still haven’t. But if you look at black pop cultural products not meant for the whole family, incest is a pretty regular plot point. The thing is, they genuinely don’t want to talk about it, and they function better than whites at corporate decisions. We know from human interest stories that white people separated at birth accidentally marry, so the expectation must be that in a more fluid culture with less warnings, that must happen more often.

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  95. @North Carolina Resident
    You sure about that? Can you provide a source for that assertion?
    There were several slave ship stops past Jamaica. New Orleans, Savannah, Charleston, etc.

    North Carolina Resident:

    I can’t be sure about my assertion as it was based on readings some time ago.

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  96. @PhysicistDave
    Pericles wrote to me:

    They [Californians] seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?
     
    The sociologists think the two things are connected: both a result of Californians' high mobility, and, in particular, the fact that so many Californians do not have families that have been in the state for generations.

    I.e., traditional churches tend to be the result of stable, multi-generational communities. Cults tend to be the result of people not having stable roots and therefore looking for some sort of ersatz community.

    Fits with what I have seen myself of St. Louis vs. California.

    Let me make clear that it is not that St. Louisans are not also crazy in their own way: I could go on and on and on about that. It is just that they tend to be crazy in different ways than Californians.

    They [Californians] seem to have plenty of weird cults though. Something in the water?

    The sociologists think the two things are connected: both a result of Californians’ high mobility, and, in particular, the fact that so many Californians do not have families that have been in the state for generations.

    Frank Lloyd Wright said that the country was tilted to the southwest, so everything loose ended up in California.

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  97. Steve, you observed that “a fair percentage of blacks whose families have lived in San Diego for a couple of generations or more got there through the military, and blacks with military ties tend to do better. . . .”

    Indeed, the NYT article you quoted on April 16 about blacks facing a “red line” on housing cited Killeen [Fort Hood] and Fayetteville, N.C. [Fort Bragg] as the cities with the smallest black-white gaps in home ownership.

    I would add that a military town tends to have a lot of folks of different races who get paid the same, resulting in similar abilities to afford a home.

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    Blacks do pretty well in the military. A conservative environment with lots of rules and lots of indoctrination in to following the rules tend to help blacks. That's the (unmentioned) idea behind the pretty admirable KIPP chain of charter schools for inner city kids: they run them like the Army.

    The worst thing for blacks is a libertine moral environment like New Orleans, followed by liberal environments like Madison, WI.

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  98. @AL.
    Steve, you observed that "a fair percentage of blacks whose families have lived in San Diego for a couple of generations or more got there through the military, and blacks with military ties tend to do better. . . ."

    Indeed, the NYT article you quoted on April 16 about blacks facing a "red line" on housing cited Killeen [Fort Hood] and Fayetteville, N.C. [Fort Bragg] as the cities with the smallest black-white gaps in home ownership.

    I would add that a military town tends to have a lot of folks of different races who get paid the same, resulting in similar abilities to afford a home.

    Blacks do pretty well in the military. A conservative environment with lots of rules and lots of indoctrination in to following the rules tend to help blacks. That’s the (unmentioned) idea behind the pretty admirable KIPP chain of charter schools for inner city kids: they run them like the Army.

    The worst thing for blacks is a libertine moral environment like New Orleans, followed by liberal environments like Madison, WI.

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  99. @Fun

    Haiti has been free of the French masters for 210 years, since the blacks revolted and killed all the white people there. Thus, Haiti is the closest to Wakanda they’ve gotten so far.
     
    Not really. Haiti's "vibranium" was slavery, which ended at independence. France immediately demanded compensation for lost labor. Haiti took 140-ish years to pay the debt. Sure, they created plenty of ruin on their own, but the country was always subject to greater powers.

    All nations that achieved their independence in the Americas had some kind of debt. Many if not all the Latin countries had debts to the British, who helped them against the Spanish. And true enough, said countries always suffered to some degree due to governments reducing their public spending to service the debt – but some did better than others to balance things. The US if I’m not mistaken repaid the debt it had to the French, and the Latin Americans eventually broke even with the UK – until they got much more heavily in debt with Western creditors post-WW2. Not to mention the interventionist US and British entrepreneurs in several nations…

    All this said… as harsh as those external forces were in Latin American republican history, the management of the external debt could have been done much better, as was done in some countries. And no, not necessarily cutting every public service in payment of the debt, which did happen in some countries – but other countries simply had particular governments that took in more debt than others, others that organized their productivity better so as to pay the debt quicker or at least have enough public spending. Haiti probably had a heavy debt, but unlike all the others, it didn’t seem to care to at least set up some sort of united self-sustaining nation. You cannot blame that on mere external debt and foreign pressures, specially considering that the majority of debt incurred in by Third World nations happened in the postwar period and increased between the 70s and 80s where it felled several economies (Mexican crisis and the domino effect).

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  100. @Medvedev
    1. Small island nations serve as tax heavens for big corporations and rich people
    2. Large number of American and non-American tourists per capita, since the population is small.

    Just one example: "Having no corporate income tax, Bermuda is a popular tax avoidance location. Google, for example, is known to have shifted over $10 billion in revenue to its Bermuda subsidiary utilising the "Double Irish" and "Dutch Sandwich" tax avoidance strategies, reducing its 2011 tax liability by $2 billion."

    Agreed. Sometimes we forget race, IQ, culture, are in the end results of pressure. And thus we should include all sources of pressure, including more direct availability of resources. Small islands without much land or labor but lots of scenery that tourists like to visit make for either excellent stop overs for ships (in the past) and excellent tax havens in the international order. That said, there are nuances, based of course on the other factors that include the above. Just that sometimes people forget Occam’s razor and focus only on some factors.

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  101. @Mishra

    Everyone is worse off in St. Louis because the average IQ hovers around 75-85 and there is an extremely high incidence of autism due to bad genetics (which manifests itself as general combativeness, intolerance of anything outside the average, and a virtually complete inability to understand outside perspectives).
     
    Almost hate to mention it, but it's been said here before: when no one knows who the daddies are, you have a situation ripe for accidental incest between half-brothers and half-sisters among others. This doesn't help the genetics problems.

    You stole my line.

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