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From the Los Angeles Times:

San Bernardino shooting suspect traveled to Saudi Arabia, was married, appeared to be living ‘American Dream,’ co-workers say

Jack Dolan, Paul Pringle and Stephen Ceasar

As the holiday gathering got underway Wednesday morning, Syed Farook joined dozens of his colleagues from San Bernardino County’s Public Health Department. Farook seemed quiet during the early hours of the event, then vanished just as a group photo was about to be taken.

Shorty afterward, gunfire erupted at the Inland Regional Center where the employees filled a conference room.

By the end of the day, police had identified Syed Farook, 28, as a suspect in the massacre and said he was one of two people shot to death in a gun battle with officers. The other was 27-year-old Tafsheen Malik, who a family member said was Farook’s wife.

Police officials said Farook had worked for the county for five years. San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said that there were reports of a dispute before Farook left the party.

Co-workers told The Times that they were shocked to hear Farook’s name linked to the shooting. Two health department employees who were in the bathroom when the bullets began to fly said Farook was quiet and polite, with no obvious grudges.

They said Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he met online. The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a fellow inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.

The phrase “American dream” is turning into the new “vibrant.” It’s become a sign for: uh-oh, here comes trouble …

… Reisinger said she heard that the office had recently held a baby shower for Farook and that he had taken paternity leave.

It’s bizarre that a young mother would participate in this. Post-partum mental illness?

From the New York Times:

Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says

From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Thus the constant assurances in the press that a new wave of refugees will fit right in, when history and human nature ought to tell us the real worry is their descendants, who are likely to grow up confident enough in their surroundings to wish to take over. (Islam is an ideology that is especially explicit about its desire to bring more territory under submission.)

 
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  1. Regardless, I want that baby deported.

    • Agree: Kylie, Chrisnonymous
  2. “It’s always the quiet ones” is something people have been saying about serial killers for decades, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Exactly! I have no doubt that a quiet, stupefyingly deferential young Muslim man I worked with many years ago will lead the charge when jihad comes to my neck of the woods.
  3. “He was living the American Dream” is destined to be the new “he was a quiet man…”

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    American Dreamer is the new Aspiring Rapper.
    , @Olorin
    Well, WaPo has declared "the American Dream" to be dead to whites. So I guess he *was* living it.

    If you can't defeat a people, defeat their dreams. And they will follow.
  4. Here is Yelp’s list of “The Best 10 Mosques in San Bernardino“, 5 of which are within a two-mile radius of the shooting site.

    The address of the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, where the initial slaughter took place today, is 1365 South Waterman Avenue. Here is its location in relation to the 5 nearby mosques.

  5. Minoru Yamasaki was also born in the US and also travelled to Saudi Arabia (for work), but he didn’t shoot up conference centers, he built them. Saudis other than his clients knocked down his most famous work.

    He also built Pruitt-Igoe, leveled (more humanely than the WTC was) in 1972, which is where much of Ferguson might be living had it remained standing. I’m certain many in Ferguson had grandparents in Pruitt.

  6. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Figured out it was Muslim in our house through process of elimination during the ten hour racial blackout. Only blacks or Muslims would attack innocents as a group of multiple shooters. Whites, Asians and Mexicans would opt out and snitch on a crazy ringleader who proposed it. Conversely, only whites or Muslims would be sporting tactical gear. Hence, Muslims.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Once female involved it had to be Muslims.
    , @NOTA
    I think there have been a few school shootings with multiple shooters.
    , @wiseguy
    What's with the media calling military gear and/or heavy weaponry "tactical gear?"

    Why is said gear not "strategic?" And, specifically, what type of tactics is this gear for? Pincer movement? Swinging gate?
    , @Anon
    Thought the same thing too. Noticed MSM kept saying 'multiple shooters' with no description of what they looked like. THAT told me all that I needed to know.
  7. From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says

    Tut tut. The NYT dog whistling. Why would they even say that? They must be hinting at something about the background of the shooters. I am frankly disgusted at the micro aggression implicit in this

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What they are saying is that no matter where they ere born and raised, you cannot trust any of them. US citizen or freeloading newcomer; they are all the same if they belong to that religion.
    , @Big Bill
    The New York Times is suggesting that an "American" committed the crime, not a sainted foreigner, immigrant, or illegal alien.

    As an "American" from birth, his homicidal impulses must be a product of his "American" upbringing.

    Ergo, if you hate the shooter you should really hate your "American" self and your "American" culture too, and not Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, or illegal aliens.
  8. It’s bizarre that a young mother would participate in this.

    Yeah. What would she want with 72 virgin boys?

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    Is she a Lady MacBeth or an Eva Braun?
  9. Let’s not get distracted! There was tape on some pictures at Harvard Law School!!! Didja hear that?!?!?! Tape!! Black Tape!! BLACK TAPE on black and white photos of black bodies !!! And there’s some wheat on the school crest or seal or logo-thingy!!! Wheat!

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  10. In the UK a big story last night about “three white men” carrying out a massacre, this morning had become a below the fold minor story of likely “workplace violence”.

    Sudden Jihad Syndrome – nothing to see here, move along…

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    You could feel the frisson of excitement in the media class at the thought they were white shooters, maybe even Trump supporters. Reminds me of the Boston bombing or the live TV shootings, the disappointment you could sense in the reporting when it turned out it was the usual suspects.
    , @NickG
    I'm currently in the UK too, the story has been deep sixed from the MSM.

    As of now it's item 10 on the BBC website front page with the strapline 'San Bernardino: Police seek motive in mass shooting'.

    As ever the Daily Mail covers the germane points succinctly
    , @iSteveFan

    In the UK a big story last night about “three white men” carrying out a massacre,
     
    How did three white guys get blamed especially when one of the perps was a female Pakistani? I'd like to see an audit to find out exactly who made this claim and put it into the narrative.
  11. Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    • Replies: @bomag
    On a first read through, I notice they left out the Beltway snipers from 2002.

    I would think some of the inner city gang shootings would make the list.

    , @AndrewR
    Mother Jones is about as trustworthy as Soviet-era Pravda
    , @Cloudbuster
    Interesting. If you look at the racial breakdown:

    Asian 6
    Black 11
    Latino 4
    Mixed 1
    Native American 3
    Other 2
    Unknown 1
    White 44

    It shows clearly that whites are underrepresented compared to their proportion of the population (especially since this goes back to 1982, when whites were an even larger percentage).

    However, Asians are vastly over-represented.
    , @Big Bill
    Black lives apparently don't matter to Mother Jones. There was a "mass shooting" (Negros-on-Negros) at Bunny Friend Park in NOLA. Seventeen victims. I didn't see it listed.

    In fact, Mother Jones does not list any of the birthday party, graduation party, gangsta funeral, and drive-by "mass shootings" so common in the Negro and Mexican community.

    I have to think there is some SJW political reason they ignore all this black suffering. Or maybe black lives don't matter to Mother Jones unless enough of them actually die in a single incident (as opposed to being perforated by bullets and living their lives as a gork in a wheelchair).
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I notice that spreadsheet has everything including the latitude and longitude of the shootings... everything except the name, ethnicity, religion, or immigration status of the shooter...
  12. Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They’re all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz’s phrase, they won’t do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    • Replies: @Abe
    More effective as a cartoon, but don't have time to draw...

    Conservative: "Phew! It was a Muslim. Maybe liberals won't talk about banning assault rifles for the next 3 months."
    Liberal: "Phew! He used an assault rifle. Maybe conservatives won't talk about banning Muslims for the next 3 moths."
    , @Jack D
    Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist - maybe clock boy? Like the Richter Scale it would be logarithmic so the 200,000 dead in the Syrian Civil War would be a 6 or a 7 but yesterday's "eruption" would only be a 2 or a 3. The person giving the international weather could announce the day's eruptions all over the globe.
    , @ic1000
    Yes, gunfire keeps erupting.

    In the aftermath of this gunfire, I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern, as well. "We" have to protect the real victims, even if they don't exist yet. It's who "we" are.
    , @Cryptogenic
    Not only did gunfire erupt but bullets began to fly. And you dare deny climate change?

    As for the baby: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EvT_ujWSRg0
    , @WhatEvvs
    Richard Dear, an obviously mentally unstable man who lived alone a la Ted Kaczynski, was a terrorist.

    These two (and their accomplice) were Bonnie and Clyde in a burkha and a thobe. Or workplace violence.

    Don't you get it?
  13. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website

    From Ann Coulter’s Twitter

    at 1:21 PM – 2 Dec 2015:

    Former FBI asst dir. Ron Hosko on CNN predicting San Bernadino shooter will be “anti-government” “militia” types.

    at 4:17 PM – 2 Dec 2015:

    The longer we go without being told the race of the shooters, the less likely it is to be white men. #sorryNYT

  14. @Dave Pinsen
    Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They're all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz's phrase, they won't do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    More effective as a cartoon, but don’t have time to draw…

    Conservative: “Phew! It was a Muslim. Maybe liberals won’t talk about banning assault rifles for the next 3 months.”
    Liberal: “Phew! He used an assault rifle. Maybe conservatives won’t talk about banning Muslims for the next 3 moths.”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    One funny thing is that if lefties took their ideas about guns to their logical conclusion, they'd end up with Trump's wall. Even if you made guns completely illegal in the US, you'd still have guns coming in from our porous border with Mexico.
    , @Dmitri Helios
    +1000
    , @Bill Jones
    Sane Person: how did he get hold of an Assault Rifle? It's really difficult to get an automatic weapon.
  15. @Dave Pinsen
    Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They're all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz's phrase, they won't do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist – maybe clock boy? Like the Richter Scale it would be logarithmic so the 200,000 dead in the Syrian Civil War would be a 6 or a 7 but yesterday’s “eruption” would only be a 2 or a 3. The person giving the international weather could announce the day’s eruptions all over the globe.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    "Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist – maybe clock boy?"

    Clockmed Scale?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake."

    Indeed. Inviting muslims into your country is kind of like building on the shore in Florida. It invites disaster.

    Maybe insurance companies could start offering Jihad riders on their policies. But they wouldn't pay out for muslims, because - for them - it would be an act of God.
    , @Dirk Dagger
    And if a "tragedy unfolds" in the same spot where there's a gunfire eruption ... does that double the effect or exponentialize it? ¡Ay caramba!
  16. I’m out of the country chasing my daily bread so I only saw this story on the headlines but even the local versions don’t say anything about the shooter’s identity in the headlines so I came here for a way to find out instantly what they’re hiding.

    And there it is.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn't know (or the authorities weren't revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn't until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.
  17. they won’t do anything to restrict assault people.

    In the history of science, the concept of zero, and the concept of negative numbers, came in rather recently. Cardano in the 16th century was the first mathematician to extensively use negative numbers.

    When our social scientists talk about “the other”, I’m not sure they have considered the notion that some people(s) might be a negative contribution. It’s all still …one, two, three, more than three… when thinking of economic and sociological contributions.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Ann Coulter understands negative numbers.

    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/672280111735922689
  18. Another day… another Allahu

  19. @Abe
    More effective as a cartoon, but don't have time to draw...

    Conservative: "Phew! It was a Muslim. Maybe liberals won't talk about banning assault rifles for the next 3 months."
    Liberal: "Phew! He used an assault rifle. Maybe conservatives won't talk about banning Muslims for the next 3 moths."

    One funny thing is that if lefties took their ideas about guns to their logical conclusion, they’d end up with Trump’s wall. Even if you made guns completely illegal in the US, you’d still have guns coming in from our porous border with Mexico.

    • Replies: @Felix.
    They want "gun control" to disarm law abiding white Americans and make them defenseless against their minority thug street soldiers. Illegal weapons coming in across the border would find their way precisely into the hands of the type of people they want to see armed.
  20. Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    One is terrorism... another is not.
    , @anon
    You seem to be engaging in whataboutism
    , @bomag
    I'm sure you are really wondering.

    We got saturation coverage of Dylann Roof's race and motivations from the mainstream media. We will get a terse mention of such in this case.

    , @Harold
    Much of what Sailer does is meta-journalism. He writes about how journalists are spinning things. This killing relates to what he has already written about: journalists bizarrely claiming it’s silly not to want to let muslim immigrants in because it’s their children who are dangerous.

    Also, Sailer is not a news service. If he doesn’t have anything interesting to say about a certain event why should he write about it?

    If you are going to criticise Sailer, at least make it a reasonable criticism such as how he has let another anniversary of Paul Walker’s death pass by without commemoration. I thought maybe he was just late, but it has been like three days. Shameful!
    , @AndrewR
    Because white supremacy is not really much of a thing anymore. Islamist terrorism is a big thing. Plus the mainstream media exaggerates the former and downplays the latter.

    But I agree Sailer should have blogged about Roof (if, in fact, he didn't (I don't care enough to check)). But other pro-white intellectuals did. Basically, more Roofs will come to be until our radically anti-white society chills tf out on the white-hating.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Do leftists not know how to use the search function?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monsters-of-egotism-redux/
    , @Hunsdon
    Also, our host lives in California?
    , @MEH 0910
    Funny how this question has been previously asked and was answered by a commenter.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Steve has often said that rampage killers shouldn't be given publicity as it only encourages the next one.

    While were on the subject, will you now be calling for flags bearing islamic slogans to be banned?
    , @IBC
    Here's the post where he covered it and his rationale for not publicizing the names involved in such attacks:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monsters-of-egotism-redux/

    I didn't thoroughly investigate Steve's coverage of the subsequent Virginia shooting but it appears that his policy of denying sick people the infamy they apparently crave, is pretty consistent. I think the motives behind jihad are a little different.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-the-virginia-shooting-a-hate-crime-terrorism-or-an-excuse-to-ignore-the-obvious/

    I did have a little trouble finding the Charleston shooting post with the site's search feature and found it was easier to go by the probable date of publication. I also found that Steve, perhaps tempted by alliteration, did call attention to the name of that mass shooter in Norway, though that article was on a different site and it was certainly no defense of the perpetrator or his psychotic methods.

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?"

    On the contrary, the Dylann Roof shootings were covered quite extensively at this site. If you check the blog posts corresponding to the respective date of that event & its aftermath, you will be able to see that for yourself.

    Social Justice Warriors always lie....
    , @Chase
    Nice to get it on record, since this event will be memory-holed in less than a week. What happened to that black guy that killed the reporter on live tv in August? Or his manifesto that he sent to ABC? Never hear about that, now do we?
    , @AnAnon
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-did-it/#comment-1227353
    , @dumpstersquirrel
    "Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?"

    Same way the gaystream media chooses to ignore certain stories when they don't fit The Narrative.

    It's hilarious when Steve does the same thing, droll beyond droll.
  21. This southern california couple seems to be south asian muslim. As was the northern california college student who went on the stabbing spree on campus recently. Coincidence?

  22. @jackson
    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    On a first read through, I notice they left out the Beltway snipers from 2002.

    I would think some of the inner city gang shootings would make the list.

  23. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    One is terrorism… another is not.

  24. Please send that baby back to Saudi Arabia. With a trebuchet.

    • Replies: @JSM
    Free flight! But the Saudis better put up a net, because if not, the splat is on them.
  25. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    You seem to be engaging in whataboutism

  26. @bomag
    they won’t do anything to restrict assault people.

    In the history of science, the concept of zero, and the concept of negative numbers, came in rather recently. Cardano in the 16th century was the first mathematician to extensively use negative numbers.

    When our social scientists talk about "the other", I'm not sure they have considered the notion that some people(s) might be a negative contribution. It's all still ...one, two, three, more than three... when thinking of economic and sociological contributions.

    Ann Coulter understands negative numbers.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Coulter has a thing for the bomber bros? Whiskey in 3... 2... 1...
    , @el topo
    In the picture I have seen of the identified male shooter he looks quite handsome.

    This seems to be a genuine difference between Muslim terrorists and white mass shooters - the latter are usually goofy-looking, often insane losers while the former are sometimes rather dashing and have girlfriends or wives which they're willing to throw away for a perceived greater cause.
    , @Anon
    "Forget the terrorism, crime, welfare etc. Why are we bringing in ppl who are ugly? My Tinder immigration application process much better."

    Uh-oh, Jews are gonna be pissed.

    Coulter is sounding like an 'Aryanist'.
  27. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    I’m sure you are really wondering.

    We got saturation coverage of Dylann Roof’s race and motivations from the mainstream media. We will get a terse mention of such in this case.

    • Replies: @Travis
    so true , plus the Roof killings resulted in a nationwide condemnation of the confederate flag, yet there is no corresponding condemnation of muslim mosques which spread hatred across our nation.
  28. Well, of course, they called it a “holiday” party but, let’s face it, it was a “Christmas” party. That presumably enraged someone recently returned from a trip to Saudi Arabia.

  29. @WGG
    Figured out it was Muslim in our house through process of elimination during the ten hour racial blackout. Only blacks or Muslims would attack innocents as a group of multiple shooters. Whites, Asians and Mexicans would opt out and snitch on a crazy ringleader who proposed it. Conversely, only whites or Muslims would be sporting tactical gear. Hence, Muslims.

    Once female involved it had to be Muslims.

  30. @Dave Pinsen
    Ann Coulter understands negative numbers.

    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/672280111735922689

    Coulter has a thing for the bomber bros? Whiskey in 3… 2… 1…

  31. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Much of what Sailer does is meta-journalism. He writes about how journalists are spinning things. This killing relates to what he has already written about: journalists bizarrely claiming it’s silly not to want to let muslim immigrants in because it’s their children who are dangerous.

    Also, Sailer is not a news service. If he doesn’t have anything interesting to say about a certain event why should he write about it?

    If you are going to criticise Sailer, at least make it a reasonable criticism such as how he has let another anniversary of Paul Walker’s death pass by without commemoration. I thought maybe he was just late, but it has been like three days. Shameful!

  32. @Moshe
    I'm out of the country chasing my daily bread so I only saw this story on the headlines but even the local versions don't say anything about the shooter's identity in the headlines so I came here for a way to find out instantly what they're hiding.

    And there it is.

    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn’t know (or the authorities weren’t revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn’t until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    Well, Trump's version of what happened on 9/11 appears to have been confirmed by Bernie Kerik, the NYC police commissioner on 9/11, and former NYC mayor Giuliani. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/02/kerik_trump_correct_new_york_area_muslims_were_celebrating_after_911.html

    Ironically, Chris Christie, who has been challenging Trump's version, appears to have stepped into a little pile himself. He has clearly claimed (I saw him do so at one of the debates) that he was appointed U.S. Attorney by President GWB on September 10, 2001, a day before 9/11 ("which changed everything"). Now it appears that he wasn't appointed until three months later, in December 2001. Oh, my! I'm shocked to discover a politician who lies.
  33. Well now that we know the culprits are Muslims from the SubContinent , you just know the anti 2nd amendment crowd are a bit sad it wasn’t White males.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    You know, ethnically similar/identical nations like Pakistan/India with Muslim/Non-Muslim background would provide an interesting set of case studies to compare/contrast Islam. I wonder how many Indian grooming gangs there are, and how many Indian mass shooters etc.?
  34. @Jack D
    Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist - maybe clock boy? Like the Richter Scale it would be logarithmic so the 200,000 dead in the Syrian Civil War would be a 6 or a 7 but yesterday's "eruption" would only be a 2 or a 3. The person giving the international weather could announce the day's eruptions all over the globe.

    “Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist – maybe clock boy?”

    Clockmed Scale?

  35. Islam is an ideology that is especially explicit about its desire to bring more territory under submission.

    So we have the Islamic State in the Inland Empire. At least they’ll feel at home.

    Next we’ll have the Islamic Caliphate at Economy Emporiums, ICEE. Using 7-11s as a front.

  36. The Washington Post story on the article reports that he shot up an “annual gathering” of department employees. That “annual gathering” appears to have been…a Christmas Party. And it appears to have been a planned attack.

    In other words he murdered them because they were practicing their culture and celebrating Christmas. God forbid.

    Muslims murdering non-Muslims who were having a quasi-religious/cultural celebration. That qualifies not only as terrorism, but as a “hate crime.”

  37. Early on in the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings all we knew was that the bombing occurred on tax day, there were two men involved, and they were both white. Lots of speculation, of course, that due to those facts they were probably right-wing extremists. I commented, however, that there were three reasons why it still probably wasn’t: first, they had used bombs; second, they had chosen a random group of people rather than a political target; third, more than one person was involved.

    Bombs generally imply some limited amount of training. A random target implies you hate everyone, instead of having some specific political agenda.

    The latter point – multiple perps – is especially important. Every group has its kooks. Those groups where large numbers of people seem to feel comfortable sharing their violent fantasies with their fellow ideologues are the ones you really need to fear. It’s how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "It’s how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam."

    Corrected for accuracy --> Hatred is truly an essential element for any radical religious nut job who seeks to wreak God's wrath upon a society.
    , @Wilkey
    From the Washington Post: "Only two of the 28 deadliest shootings since 1949 in the United States have had more than one shooter."

    I don't know if that list includes yesterday's shooting. One of them, of course, is Columbine.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Your last paragraph is very apropos.
  38. At this point, are Farook and the woman still properly described only as “suspects” merely “linked to” or somehow “involved in” some kind of a “shooting,”; or more accurately as the known perpetrators of a mass murder, or simply as mass murderers?

  39. The killer has a dating profile:

    “religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. ”

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word “religios” twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20’s last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell “environmental.”

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "He made $70,000 in his mid 20′s last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan."

    Well, his pension plan won't be that expensive.
    , @Barnard
    I think the spelling mistakes in the profile are more likely to be examples of laziness and lack of attention to detail. They are probably typos he just didn't bother to fix. I have noticed that habit quite a bit among his generation.
    , @anonymous

    While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell “environmental.”
     
    Good to have picked up on that. The government has people working for it who can't even spell their own job descriptions? Who are they hiring anyway and what are their criteria?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Could there be a connection between guys like Farook working for the health department and the rash of e.coli outbreaks in America?
    , @The most deplorable one
    This is something that citizens should be asking the great state of California.

    How can someone with such poor literacy and demonstrated murderous intent get a job in the CA government.

    Also, how many more Murderers has the CA government employed.

    , @iSteveFan
    At Zero Hedge they have that dating profile along with a separate profile on Dubaimatrimonial.com

    Now if that matrimonial is real, it is interesting that he lists his country as Pakistan. He even lists his mother tongue as Urdu. He lists that he was born in Chicago and lives in LA. But looking at that matrimonial profile makes it appear he thinks of himself as a Pakistani, not an American.

    Note, you will need to scroll down to the middle of the page to find the matrimonial profile.

    , @Perspective
    Instead of thanking the US for having a civilization in place that enabled someone like him to succeed, he murders Americans in cold blood with his jihad wife. Really takes the saying you just can't please some people to a whole new murderous level.
  40. @Dennis Dale
    "He was living the American Dream" is destined to be the new "he was a quiet man..."

    American Dreamer is the new Aspiring Rapper.

  41. Much of the press is pointing out pretty obsessively that the main perp was raised in the US. Well that makes perfect sense, doesn’t it? He was raised and educated in the left-wing grievance culture that told him he is oppressed when the people around him celebrate a holiday that isn’t part of his culture.

    This one’s all on the Left, and not simply because the perps were Muslim. This wasn’t just terrorism – it was murder by the culture of grievance instilled in our youth by the Left – the same grievance culture that is fully on display at Princeton, Yale, Mizzou, Dartmouth, ad infinitum.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  42. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    “He made $70,000 in his mid 20′s last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan.”

    Well, his pension plan won’t be that expensive.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "Well, his pension plan won’t be that expensive." Because his widow is dead too? But you'd better wait to see how many other widows come forward.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Sure, but the cost of terminating his pension plan was high, and might have far exceeded the expected cost of his pension plan, given that CA will likely be bankrupt when he would have retired.
  43. @jackson
    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    Mother Jones is about as trustworthy as Soviet-era Pravda

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I salute your generous assessment of Mother Jones' trustworthiness in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Surely you are suffused with the Christmas spirit of unbounded charity.
  44. @Wilkey
    Early on in the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings all we knew was that the bombing occurred on tax day, there were two men involved, and they were both white. Lots of speculation, of course, that due to those facts they were probably right-wing extremists. I commented, however, that there were three reasons why it still probably wasn't: first, they had used bombs; second, they had chosen a random group of people rather than a political target; third, more than one person was involved.

    Bombs generally imply some limited amount of training. A random target implies you hate everyone, instead of having some specific political agenda.

    The latter point - multiple perps - is especially important. Every group has its kooks. Those groups where large numbers of people seem to feel comfortable sharing their violent fantasies with their fellow ideologues are the ones you really need to fear. It's how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam.

    “It’s how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> Hatred is truly an essential element for any radical religious nut job who seeks to wreak God’s wrath upon a society.

  45. As others have already written here the left prays that its whites doing this and the right prays its Muslims. Now obviously both sides want all such events to be proof of their narrative, but the question I have is who are they preaching to ? They are obviously not teaching to the converted, liberals don’t need such events to be told that whites are cause of all problems, they are clearly trying to win converts from the neutral/independents, but just how many Americans are there to convert to either side ?

    Based on my understanding America is sharply divided by rural and urban and racial lines, are there many people that still count as independent or not ?

  46. my thoughts and prayers are with those who are devastated by the news that the shooter was not a white male

  47. @Wilkey
    Early on in the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings all we knew was that the bombing occurred on tax day, there were two men involved, and they were both white. Lots of speculation, of course, that due to those facts they were probably right-wing extremists. I commented, however, that there were three reasons why it still probably wasn't: first, they had used bombs; second, they had chosen a random group of people rather than a political target; third, more than one person was involved.

    Bombs generally imply some limited amount of training. A random target implies you hate everyone, instead of having some specific political agenda.

    The latter point - multiple perps - is especially important. Every group has its kooks. Those groups where large numbers of people seem to feel comfortable sharing their violent fantasies with their fellow ideologues are the ones you really need to fear. It's how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam.

    From the Washington Post: “Only two of the 28 deadliest shootings since 1949 in the United States have had more than one shooter.”

    I don’t know if that list includes yesterday’s shooting. One of them, of course, is Columbine.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Probably not in the top 28 since 1949 but

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-school-shooting-in-jonesboro-arkansas-kills-five
    , @Big Bill
    There have been innumerable NON-deadly mass shootings by more than one shooter. Most recently, several Negro males shot up crowded Bunny Friend Park in NOLA, perforating at least 17 people.

    The reason they limit their reporting to "deadliest shootings" is to carve out Negro mass shootings like Bunny Friend, which are much more numerous. Negros are impulsive and notoriously bad shots. Their preferred mode of mass shooting (at funerals, parties, graduations and street gatherings alike) is "spray-and-pray".
  48. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Because white supremacy is not really much of a thing anymore. Islamist terrorism is a big thing. Plus the mainstream media exaggerates the former and downplays the latter.

    But I agree Sailer should have blogged about Roof (if, in fact, he didn’t (I don’t care enough to check)). But other pro-white intellectuals did. Basically, more Roofs will come to be until our radically anti-white society chills tf out on the white-hating.

    • Replies: @Ed
    The thing about Dylan is that he says pretty clearly & coherently in his manifesto that what drove him to racism was the media's coverage of Trayvon Martin. He didn't understand the hoopla around it and when he went out into the Internet he discovered race aware sights.

    Before & even up to the time of the murderous crime he committed he had black friends. A couple of them initially vouched for him pretty strenuously.

    The media by not covering incidents honestly is creating a pretty sizable underground of disaffected people. Some of whom only to emerge when they commit violence.
  49. @Wilkey
    From the Washington Post: "Only two of the 28 deadliest shootings since 1949 in the United States have had more than one shooter."

    I don't know if that list includes yesterday's shooting. One of them, of course, is Columbine.
  50. @WGG
    Figured out it was Muslim in our house through process of elimination during the ten hour racial blackout. Only blacks or Muslims would attack innocents as a group of multiple shooters. Whites, Asians and Mexicans would opt out and snitch on a crazy ringleader who proposed it. Conversely, only whites or Muslims would be sporting tactical gear. Hence, Muslims.

    I think there have been a few school shootings with multiple shooters.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Yes - young people, like the Columbine shooters, or even younger. When you have adults working in concert it's a sign of an ideology that embraces violence, not a random right-wing kook or workplace grievance.
  51. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Ann Coulter understands negative numbers.

    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/672280111735922689

    In the picture I have seen of the identified male shooter he looks quite handsome.

    This seems to be a genuine difference between Muslim terrorists and white mass shooters – the latter are usually goofy-looking, often insane losers while the former are sometimes rather dashing and have girlfriends or wives which they’re willing to throw away for a perceived greater cause.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Are they Alphas? Or is it Steve Sailer's theory of low IQ Whites looking odd, while low IQ minorities look more normal and don't have a pathology that renders them socially inept?
  52. @NOTA
    I think there have been a few school shootings with multiple shooters.

    Yes – young people, like the Columbine shooters, or even younger. When you have adults working in concert it’s a sign of an ideology that embraces violence, not a random right-wing kook or workplace grievance.

  53. I wonder if this is motivated by Islamic fundamentalism or is a standard-issue workplace shooting. The fact that his wife was along makes it more likely to be ideological (it’s hard to get co-conspirators when your motivation is that you’re nuts), unless it turns out that he brought his wife along to shoot her first or something.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    This specific use of "motivation" refers to a specific sort of mentation.

    That's not what's at work here.
  54. Interesting that the media can determine the motivation behind the ambush shooting of 5 Colorado police officers based on nothing more than the purported quote of ‘no more baby parts’ attributed to the gunman by a unidentified ‘law enforcement’ personnel but has no idea what might motivate devout Muslims to open fire on County employees enjoying a Christmas party even as Islamic State had called upon Muslims to carry out just this kind of murderous attack.

    Even more curious that the name of the San Bernardino killers were not publicly released until CAIR was ready with their own new conference featuring the brother in law of the killer. What would we have made of this had the Colorado gunman’s relatives appeared at an anti abortion groups press conference minutes after Robert Beard had been identfied as the shooter?

  55. I hate to be a downer, but as far as the managerial elite is concerned, this just validates their push to import more Muslims. They look at this as an example of anti-Muslim hatred in America driving an otherwise sensible person to madness. The solution is to increase the importation of Muslims.

    The only hope you have is that the Muzzies start shooting up places like Harvard and Federal facilities. Even then I doubt that the people in charge change course. We’re an country run by the truest of true believers, both parties, and like the Muslim suicide bomber, they will die rather than abandon the faith.

    America has been taken over by a suicide cult.

    • Replies: @Mick
    Correct, the current elite has too much invested in multiculturalism to change course, regardless of the consequences.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We need significant levels of deportation to solve this problem. Probably 10,000 of the elite should suffice.
  56. “living the American dream”

    Uh-huh. In San Bernardino? Reporters at the LAT should read their own paper:

    San Bernardino: Broken City

    I don’t think too many people are “living the American dream” in San Bernardino. Not anymore, anyway.

  57. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Do leftists not know how to use the search function?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monsters-of-egotism-redux/

  58. They planned this out – dropped off their baby with the husband’s mother, falsely claiming they had a doctor’s appointment. The kerfluffle at the Christmas Party (I thought those were unconstitutional on government property, these days?) was most likely a provocation to provide an excuse for them to leave and suit up (didn’t want to leave the guns out in the car, wanted to ensure maximal number of potential victims were present).

    Yet again, nobody rushed the shooters while they reloaded (they weren’t disciplined enough to maintain continuous fire by alternating their reload cycles), nobody tried to interfere by throwing objects, etc.

    The only shooting incident in recent memory where the attacker was foiled was the one on the train in France. It was US servicemen who subdued him.

    In addition to all the negative social effects of having a ‘professional’ military set apart from the citizenry (out of sight, out of mind; far easier to launch wars of choice), the end of conscription means that the vast majority of the citizenry have no conception at all of how to defend themselves.

    Going up unarmed against an active shooter is something that most people who haven’t received the relevant training and conditioning simply haven’t the intestinal fortitude to contemplate. All these ‘active shooter’ drills – like the ones which reportedly took place at the San Bernardino shooting site – are essentially ‘cowering-in-place’ exercises, and are as wrongheaded and harmful as pre-9/11 airline hijacking institutionalized submission and conciliation on the part of airline crews and passengers.

    And I will point out the obvious; if only one or two citizens in that facility had been armed (no security guards?), this massacre could’ve been cut short.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @gruff

    In addition to all the negative social effects of having a ‘professional’ military set apart from the citizenry (out of sight, out of mind; far easier to launch wars of choice), the end of conscription means that the vast majority of the citizenry have no conception at all of how to defend themselves.
     
    Very true, but conscription's not coming back because you can't fight imperial wars with conscripts. You can only defend the home country. The Romans learned that ages ago.
    , @Anonym
    I would think that anyone competent in a form of combat sport would be able to attack if the opportunity presented itself. The smart thing to do if there are multiple shooters though is generally to gtfo rather than wait around on the off-chance the shooters lack discipline to synchronize their reloading.
  59. @Dave Pinsen
    Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They're all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz's phrase, they won't do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    Yes, gunfire keeps erupting.

    In the aftermath of this gunfire, I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern, as well. “We” have to protect the real victims, even if they don’t exist yet. It’s who “we” are.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    Remember #IllRideWithYou? The joke back then was that frontlashers would offer to escort nervous-looking women in hijab who would then detonate.
    , @ic1000
    > I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern

    That didn't take long. Predictable Steve Inskeep of NPR's Morning Edition furrows brows with Hussam Ayloush of CAIR. The valiant effort to head off the frontlash by their bigoted fellow-citizens of the dar al-Harb begins at 4:05.
  60. Muslims cannot integrate into Western Germanic (a.k.a. northern European) society … period. There is too much of a gap in religious and social beliefs and values. The new Muslim communities in Europe and North America will remain insular and separated from society at large. If the immigration continues, the animosities and inconsistencies between Islam and Western culture will eventually reach a critical mass and precipitate civil strife and civil war in the Western countries.

    My religious evidence? The Koran. My experience? Two decades of working and living in the Middle East in the military and as a contractor.

    Islam does not distinguish between church and state … hence, the widespread Muslim belief (even in the West) that apostates should be executed for religious and political treason. Muslim societies have been described as societies of “married monks”. There is truth to that. Just as Benedictine monks live by the Rule of St. Benedict, Muslims live by what they believe is the Rule of God (the Koran). If there is a question about religious or social issues, you refer to the Rule. Muslim religious, social, and political beliefs are completely antithetical to Western democracy and the rational traditions we inherited from the Greeks and Romans.

    Since Moslem societies are family, clan, and tribal based, they have a weak concept of the nation state and majority rule. As a result, on the model of the first Caliphates, they tend to be ruled by strong men who keeps the peace by force of arms. Peter Frost correctly describes these as “clan-based, balance-of-terror ” societies. The need to maintain social and political peace through the threat of terror is real. (Sounds like everything we know about the Middle East, right?) The strong men get their legitimacy from religious councils of imans who judge that they rule the social and political order in accordance with the Koran. To conquer a neighboring state and imposed the Koran on the religious, social, and political order with the “sword” is to spread the Kindgom of God on earth.

    Through two decades of experience, most of the young Moslem men I knew in the Middle East went through a stage of “testing the waters” with Western culture. However, by the time they were in their 30s, they seemed to suffer anomie — an identify crisis — and harden themselves in their Moslem faith. They became Muslim evangelists; they devoted the rest of their lives to jihad. Many of the young Moslem men I knew who spent their time in the West gambling, drinking, and whoring had became muṭawwi by their 30s … Muslim religious police enforcing Islamic social standards on the rest of the community. (These same mutawwi are now walking the streets in some neighborhoods in the UK and France.)

    The Islamic view of women and human relationships is 180-degrees from the West. They believe that women (rather than men) have uncontrollable sexual desire and therefore must be restrained under lock and key and hidden from the public … hence, the hijab, to the chador, to the burqa. There is no such thing as dating. Women are bought and sold among families and clans in the pursuit of business and political alliances.

    CONCLUSIONS

    1. A Muslim living and trying to integrate into Western society cannot help but eventually suffer anomie, defined as a breakdown of social norms and values. Islam and the West are that different. (Yes, having one foot in the 21st Century and one foot in the 7th Century can drive a young person crazy.) They must, it seems, eventually choose to be Muslim or Western. They cannot be both. Hence, iSteve is correct that it is the descendants of Muslim immigrants who are the greatest threat to Western societies. It should also be no surprise that young Muslim men and women are streaming by the thousands from the West and neighboring Islamic states to join ISIS’ war on the West . Eventually, we will see the violence spread en masse to the West … perhaps sooner than we think.

    2. Muslims (as believing Moslems) can never integrate into Western society. Their religion prevents it. Their religion requires them to war against unbelief and unbelievers, and the West and its culture represents everything that Islam considers sinful. Hence, they must continually work to keep local Islamic communities in the West hermetically isolated and Islamic as they try, as a religious duty, to Islamisize Western society and its religious and political culture.

    • Agree: Romanian, Anonym, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anon
    May I congratulate you on an excellent post. You are completely correct. Your 21st - 7th century analogy is dead-0n. The trouble is; there is no way to reform Islam without also dissolving it. The situation is similar to communism in the late 1980's in ex-USSR and eastern Europe.
  61. @Abe
    More effective as a cartoon, but don't have time to draw...

    Conservative: "Phew! It was a Muslim. Maybe liberals won't talk about banning assault rifles for the next 3 months."
    Liberal: "Phew! He used an assault rifle. Maybe conservatives won't talk about banning Muslims for the next 3 moths."

    +1000

  62. The US is a crazy place. Anyone with a grievance takes to shooting their opponent. Muslims jihadist now, the Christian anti abortion shooter last month. Assorted crazies several times a year.

    In other countries, a mass shooting is always foreign inspired terrorism. In america, you can’t tell until you do a bio of the gunman!

    The weird thing is that Americans political opinions about the shooting depend on the life history of the shooter. (Including most of the people on this site)

    I don’t think America’s chronic mass violence problem will ever stop. Its just built into the culture (like class conflict in Britain or gladiatorial combat in ancient Rome).

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Nice try.
  63. @Cattle Guard
    "It's always the quiet ones" is something people have been saying about serial killers for decades, isn't it?

    Exactly! I have no doubt that a quiet, stupefyingly deferential young Muslim man I worked with many years ago will lead the charge when jihad comes to my neck of the woods.

  64. So What? Why can’t Muslims shoot up their workplace like other Americans?

  65. This story is still breaking so it’s a bit early to make up my mind what’s happening here, but we can expect certain ideas to be floated: #1 – It was all about the guns, even though CA has strict gun laws and the weapons appear to be fairly ordinary. #2 – “semiautomatic” and “assault weapons” are common memes but (a) virtually all weapons are “semiautomatic” unless we are talking bolt action or revolvers, (b) “assault weapons” basically means a handgrip, because most rifles have at least a 5 shot magazine. #3 – Islam, religion of peace; shooter and wife were Muslims but most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant, #4 – There will be many Op Eds by feminists decrying how the patriarchy doesn’t do enough for women of color, mothers, and women who are terrorized by their men to become terrorists, #5 – There will also be many OpEds about how microaggressions against Muslims, women, women with children, women with PPD, and women on their periods, and how this requires more government spending on programs to allow women to vent to paid government counselors who will affirm and validate their feelings. #6 – Celebration of Christmas is a microaggression. #7 – It appears at least some of the victims were POC, therefore #BLM, #8 It’s all the fault of the gun nuts.

    I am certain that you will get at least several Op-Eds that start off with some woman talking about how depressed she was after she had her baby.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Islam, religion of peace; shooter and wife were Muslims but most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant
     
    Reminds me of a gag I read at Chateau Heartiste the other day: until every Muslim on earth has participated in a terror attack, people will still say "they're not all like that."
  66. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Also, our host lives in California?

  67. Any devout Muslim working as a restaurant inspector in California and traveling to one haraam, pork-serving establishment after another is likely to go unhinged.

    • Replies: @J1234
    My guess is that Syed left the event in anger because they were serving bacon at a Christmas party. I'm actually being serious. Looks like he had the guns all set up for whenever he was going to make his attack, and it turned out to be this event.

    Of course, all the reports mention how American-born Farook was, but little of how foreign-born his wife was. At least at this point.
  68. One fact offhandedly mentioned was his wife came from an Islamic country (Saudi Arabia ?) . What was wrong with the local Muslim girls ? Too americanized even if they came from religious families? He may have wanted a submissive obedient wife even if she had to be somewhat culturally alien given her husbsnd’s upbringing here.

    Obedient enough to accompany her husband on his mad mission and abandon her baby. What mom does that?

    • Replies: @Karl
    >> his wife came from an Islamic country (Saudi Arabia ?)

    no she was Pakistani. Residing at the moment in S.A.

    Go to an Muslim marriage website, you will ocassionally see the face picture of a S.Arabian girl. Paki females aren't gorgeous (Huma Abedin is an outlier, and her main claim to fame was that she wasn't as obese as the NY-Jew girls that her husband was probably getting fixed up with), but you'd probably choose to wake up next to one before you choose a hijazi girl.

    South Asians (like Gulf Arabs) like their women fat. In Bangladesh, the brothel-madames feed cow steroids to the young girls, to put weight onto them quickly. A fat girl brings in more customers.
  69. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    DailyMail initially had headline of ‘Guns kill 14 ….’. It was the guns that did it, not the people using them. This has many bizarre aspects, including the participation of a young mother in a mass shooting; bizarre from our point of view, not from theirs. They just had all these guns and tactical gear laying around the house? How does one just suddenly spring into action with their wife on short notice for something like this?
    Media spin is already whirring. They’ll put it into context along with other mass killings so as to downplay the Muslim aspect even as it seems to be the primary driver of this. Perhaps they’ll claim he was discriminated against and that made him snap. CAIR swung into action pretty fast to help shape the public perception of of this sudden jihadi eruption.

  70. @bomag
    I'm sure you are really wondering.

    We got saturation coverage of Dylann Roof's race and motivations from the mainstream media. We will get a terse mention of such in this case.

    so true , plus the Roof killings resulted in a nationwide condemnation of the confederate flag, yet there is no corresponding condemnation of muslim mosques which spread hatred across our nation.

  71. I am very religios muzzlem by ut I still have fun. My favorite hobies are travel to sowdy uranium, target practice with my AJ37, and shouting aloha snackbar

    Illiteracy, a fiendishly clever plan not to wind up on an FBI list.

  72. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Funny how this question has been previously asked and was answered by a commenter.

  73. “Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says”

    Right, so we have enough of our own problems. Let’s not invite more in.

  74. Had the wife Malik survived after murdering fourteen innocents and firing on police and tossing bombs at them, she’d have been one of those widows whom Republicans, Obama mocked, are so unreasonable as to fear.

    But since she’s dead we’ve no one to fear without reason except her orphan.

  75. Just as there are statistics on rates of murder by blacks, whites, etc. it would be useful to have statistics on *rates* of mass murders by individuals or groups of white Christians, black Christians, Muslims, Asians, immigrants, native Muslims, immigrant Mislims, etc. A simple comparison of numbers of mass murders by natives and immigrants does not allow for the fact that there are many more natives than immigrants. And there are many more Christians than Muslims, just as there are many more whites than blacks.

  76. @Dave Pinsen
    Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They're all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz's phrase, they won't do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    Not only did gunfire erupt but bullets began to fly. And you dare deny climate change?

    As for the baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvT_ujWSRg0

  77. @Wilkey
    "He made $70,000 in his mid 20′s last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan."

    Well, his pension plan won't be that expensive.

    “Well, his pension plan won’t be that expensive.” Because his widow is dead too? But you’d better wait to see how many other widows come forward.

  78. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    I think the spelling mistakes in the profile are more likely to be examples of laziness and lack of attention to detail. They are probably typos he just didn’t bother to fix. I have noticed that habit quite a bit among his generation.

  79. I read another article that described him as going to Saudi Arabia for a month, and coming back with a wife and a beard.

    There will likely be some connection between him and the standard violent-Saudi Islam. I wonder if his wife wasn’t already radicalized before she met him.

  80. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell “environmental.”

    Good to have picked up on that. The government has people working for it who can’t even spell their own job descriptions? Who are they hiring anyway and what are their criteria?

  81. @ic1000
    Yes, gunfire keeps erupting.

    In the aftermath of this gunfire, I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern, as well. "We" have to protect the real victims, even if they don't exist yet. It's who "we" are.

    Remember #IllRideWithYou? The joke back then was that frontlashers would offer to escort nervous-looking women in hijab who would then detonate.

  82. If the wife, Tafsheen Malik, had survived the shootout with police, she would have been one of those Muslim widows Obama thinks we are “fearful” of importing into this country.

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    Yes, he found her online with an ad that said he enjoyed target practice. Who knows who was drawn to extremism and who did the drawing. Perhaps the "immigrant" is to blame.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Quite so. And their child is now one of those orphans Obama ridiculed us for being fearful of. And yet, isn't it rational to be worried about what the child of two shahids will grow up to be?
  83. I’m a little confused; should these shooters be classified as widows or orphans?

  84. This sounds like honor killing, a cultural artifact that predates Islam in the Middle East, and is likely part of the killers’ genetic birthright.

    “San Bernardino is a city of more than 200,000 people that has struggled in recent years as the city filed for bankruptcy, residents suffered a high rate of home foreclosures, and the commercial downtown deteriorated. The population has swelled over the past generation with immigrants from Latin America, Asia and the Middle East, drawn by proximity to Los Angeles, and housing that is affordable.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html

    Now that people of Middle Eastern descent are established in California (and elsewhere) I don’t think they will like it if we invade their territory and start telling them what to do. Isn’t that what sparked all the trouble in the (original) Middle East?

    “Inland Regional Center was built on the foundation of three core values — independence, inclusion, and empowerment,” the overview reads. “In following these core values, we hope to help provide each individual with a service system that helps identify and eliminate barriers for individuals with developmental disabilities and their families so they can closely live a typical lifestyle.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/san-bernardino-shooting–inland-regional-center-for-persons-with-disabilities-targeted-223438282.html

    Because of (again) their genetic birthright of close intermarriage (another part of the vibrant cultural diversity of these peoples), they suffer a higher rate of genetic abnormalities that need social services. Maybe we weren’t quick enough to offer free services and that is the cause of the problem?

  85. @AnonymousCoward
    Please send that baby back to Saudi Arabia. With a trebuchet.

    Free flight! But the Saudis better put up a net, because if not, the splat is on them.

  86. @Simon in London
    In the UK a big story last night about "three white men" carrying out a massacre, this morning had become a below the fold minor story of likely "workplace violence".

    Sudden Jihad Syndrome - nothing to see here, move along...

    You could feel the frisson of excitement in the media class at the thought they were white shooters, maybe even Trump supporters. Reminds me of the Boston bombing or the live TV shootings, the disappointment you could sense in the reporting when it turned out it was the usual suspects.

  87. i wonder…

    was the Coates most brutalized by other black males… or by his mama?

    i’ll bet serena williams was quiet as child out of fear of mama.

    black women be crazy.’

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Nurse-Caught-on-Hidden-Camera-Abusing-Nursing-Home-Patient_New-York.html

  88. “Gunfire erupted”

  89. @Harry Baldwin
    If the wife, Tafsheen Malik, had survived the shootout with police, she would have been one of those Muslim widows Obama thinks we are "fearful" of importing into this country.

    Yes, he found her online with an ad that said he enjoyed target practice. Who knows who was drawn to extremism and who did the drawing. Perhaps the “immigrant” is to blame.

  90. 1. When the left really starts screaming about gun control, they don’t want us to notice something about the perpetrators and suspects.

    2. If you see something, say something, but just don’t notice anything:

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

    • Replies: @Mike Street Station

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    Political Correctness Kills.
    , @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    , @Dirk Dagger

    ... decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    I'm pretty sure that's a misqoute, what he actually said was ... decided not to report anything since he realized it was probably just a clock factory.
  91. Steve, how is that “awww shucks, race is interesting but it’s really just amusing” nonchalant attitude working out for ya?

  92. Funny, how it goes. There are hundreds of mass shootings in the US every year, barely mentioned or discussed here. But if it’s Muslims doing the shooting it’s suddenly something big.

    & some people wonder why they are called islamophobes.

  93. “Cool AK-47, Farooq. Want to bring it by the White House?”

    • Replies: @Dew
    "You didn't build that!"
  94. A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    Mission Accomplished!

  95. The news channels are trying to propagandize the shooting as another example in a series of events of gun violence. None of them will give a timeline of Muslim violence over the last two decades. Why aren’t journalists questioning Obama on the Syria refugee policy?

  96. @jackson
    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    Interesting. If you look at the racial breakdown:

    Asian 6
    Black 11
    Latino 4
    Mixed 1
    Native American 3
    Other 2
    Unknown 1
    White 44

    It shows clearly that whites are underrepresented compared to their proportion of the population (especially since this goes back to 1982, when whites were an even larger percentage).

    However, Asians are vastly over-represented.

    • Replies: @Bliss

    Asians are vastly over-represented.
     
    And at least half of the asian-american mass murderers are koreans. And since koreans are only ~10% of asian-americans that means they are by far the most likely american ethnicity to go on a shooting rampage.
  97. @tbraton
    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn't know (or the authorities weren't revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn't until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.

    Well, Trump’s version of what happened on 9/11 appears to have been confirmed by Bernie Kerik, the NYC police commissioner on 9/11, and former NYC mayor Giuliani. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/02/kerik_trump_correct_new_york_area_muslims_were_celebrating_after_911.html

    Ironically, Chris Christie, who has been challenging Trump’s version, appears to have stepped into a little pile himself. He has clearly claimed (I saw him do so at one of the debates) that he was appointed U.S. Attorney by President GWB on September 10, 2001, a day before 9/11 (“which changed everything”). Now it appears that he wasn’t appointed until three months later, in December 2001. Oh, my! I’m shocked to discover a politician who lies.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    Sorry. Wrong thread. Meant to post on Phil Giraldi's blog.
  98. @Mark Caplan
    Any devout Muslim working as a restaurant inspector in California and traveling to one haraam, pork-serving establishment after another is likely to go unhinged.

    My guess is that Syed left the event in anger because they were serving bacon at a Christmas party. I’m actually being serious. Looks like he had the guns all set up for whenever he was going to make his attack, and it turned out to be this event.

    Of course, all the reports mention how American-born Farook was, but little of how foreign-born his wife was. At least at this point.

  99. @tbraton
    Well, Trump's version of what happened on 9/11 appears to have been confirmed by Bernie Kerik, the NYC police commissioner on 9/11, and former NYC mayor Giuliani. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/02/kerik_trump_correct_new_york_area_muslims_were_celebrating_after_911.html

    Ironically, Chris Christie, who has been challenging Trump's version, appears to have stepped into a little pile himself. He has clearly claimed (I saw him do so at one of the debates) that he was appointed U.S. Attorney by President GWB on September 10, 2001, a day before 9/11 ("which changed everything"). Now it appears that he wasn't appointed until three months later, in December 2001. Oh, my! I'm shocked to discover a politician who lies.

    Sorry. Wrong thread. Meant to post on Phil Giraldi’s blog.

  100. @ic1000
    Yes, gunfire keeps erupting.

    In the aftermath of this gunfire, I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern, as well. "We" have to protect the real victims, even if they don't exist yet. It's who "we" are.

    > I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern

    That didn’t take long. Predictable Steve Inskeep of NPR’s Morning Edition furrows brows with Hussam Ayloush of CAIR. The valiant effort to head off the frontlash by their bigoted fellow-citizens of the dar al-Harb begins at 4:05.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Ahhhh, yes.

    Not all Muslims are Murderous Criminals.

    Isn't that like saying Not all Nazis are Murderous Criminals?
    , @Blobby5
    At least they will stop their 24 hour coverage on the 'Freddy' Grey trial. God I hate NPravdaR.
  101. @countenance
    1. When the left really starts screaming about gun control, they don't want us to notice something about the perpetrators and suspects.

    2. If you see something, say something, but just don't notice anything:

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    Political Correctness Kills.

  102. @jackson
    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    Black lives apparently don’t matter to Mother Jones. There was a “mass shooting” (Negros-on-Negros) at Bunny Friend Park in NOLA. Seventeen victims. I didn’t see it listed.

    In fact, Mother Jones does not list any of the birthday party, graduation party, gangsta funeral, and drive-by “mass shootings” so common in the Negro and Mexican community.

    I have to think there is some SJW political reason they ignore all this black suffering. Or maybe black lives don’t matter to Mother Jones unless enough of them actually die in a single incident (as opposed to being perforated by bullets and living their lives as a gork in a wheelchair).

  103. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @ic1000
    > I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern

    That didn't take long. Predictable Steve Inskeep of NPR's Morning Edition furrows brows with Hussam Ayloush of CAIR. The valiant effort to head off the frontlash by their bigoted fellow-citizens of the dar al-Harb begins at 4:05.

    Ahhhh, yes.

    Not all Muslims are Murderous Criminals.

    Isn’t that like saying Not all Nazis are Murderous Criminals?

  104. @ic1000
    > I am anticipating an imminent eruption of frontlash concern

    That didn't take long. Predictable Steve Inskeep of NPR's Morning Edition furrows brows with Hussam Ayloush of CAIR. The valiant effort to head off the frontlash by their bigoted fellow-citizens of the dar al-Harb begins at 4:05.

    At least they will stop their 24 hour coverage on the ‘Freddy’ Grey trial. God I hate NPravdaR.

  105. @G Pinfold

    From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says
     
    Tut tut. The NYT dog whistling. Why would they even say that? They must be hinting at something about the background of the shooters. I am frankly disgusted at the micro aggression implicit in this

    What they are saying is that no matter where they ere born and raised, you cannot trust any of them. US citizen or freeloading newcomer; they are all the same if they belong to that religion.

  106. I never liked comic-book movies, but I liked this from Watchmen:

    Dan Dreiberg: What happened to us? What happened to the American Dream?

    Edward Blake: “What happened to the American Dream?” It came true! You’re lookin’ at it…

    • Agree: Harold
  107. @G Pinfold

    From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says
     
    Tut tut. The NYT dog whistling. Why would they even say that? They must be hinting at something about the background of the shooters. I am frankly disgusted at the micro aggression implicit in this

    The New York Times is suggesting that an “American” committed the crime, not a sainted foreigner, immigrant, or illegal alien.

    As an “American” from birth, his homicidal impulses must be a product of his “American” upbringing.

    Ergo, if you hate the shooter you should really hate your “American” self and your “American” culture too, and not Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, or illegal aliens.

  108. “American dream” has long been used sarcastically by the Brits as one of their essential put-downs of the US, to be inserted as needed in any story involving 1) a shooting or 2) someone in economic distress. I’m not surprised it’s caught on with our media commentariat.

  109. @Wilkey
    Early on in the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings all we knew was that the bombing occurred on tax day, there were two men involved, and they were both white. Lots of speculation, of course, that due to those facts they were probably right-wing extremists. I commented, however, that there were three reasons why it still probably wasn't: first, they had used bombs; second, they had chosen a random group of people rather than a political target; third, more than one person was involved.

    Bombs generally imply some limited amount of training. A random target implies you hate everyone, instead of having some specific political agenda.

    The latter point - multiple perps - is especially important. Every group has its kooks. Those groups where large numbers of people seem to feel comfortable sharing their violent fantasies with their fellow ideologues are the ones you really need to fear. It's how you identify a group where hatred is truly part of the ideology. Hatred is truly an essential element of Islam.

    Your last paragraph is very apropos.

  110. @WGG
    Figured out it was Muslim in our house through process of elimination during the ten hour racial blackout. Only blacks or Muslims would attack innocents as a group of multiple shooters. Whites, Asians and Mexicans would opt out and snitch on a crazy ringleader who proposed it. Conversely, only whites or Muslims would be sporting tactical gear. Hence, Muslims.

    What’s with the media calling military gear and/or heavy weaponry “tactical gear?”

    Why is said gear not “strategic?” And, specifically, what type of tactics is this gear for? Pincer movement? Swinging gate?

    • Replies: @Olorin
    The allahu akbar pass.
  111. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Steve has often said that rampage killers shouldn’t be given publicity as it only encourages the next one.

    While were on the subject, will you now be calling for flags bearing islamic slogans to be banned?

    • Agree: Thea
  112. @countenance
    1. When the left really starts screaming about gun control, they don't want us to notice something about the perpetrators and suspects.

    2. If you see something, say something, but just don't notice anything:

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn’t follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe, but the ISIS guys who attacked Paris a few weeks back apparently had no problem buying AK-47s on the black market in Belgium, as I recall.
    , @IBC

    It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color.
     
    Wounded Knee is an extreme historical example of this. Its memory still festers on the Pine Ridge Reservation, almost 125 years later (Dec. 29th of this year).
    , @countenance
    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies' bodies.
    , @Anonymous
    Police are racist thugs and the only people who should have guns. :)
    , @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.
  113. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s bizarre that a young mother would participate in this.
     
    Yeah. What would she want with 72 virgin boys?

    Is she a Lady MacBeth or an Eva Braun?

  114. @Harry Baldwin
    If the wife, Tafsheen Malik, had survived the shootout with police, she would have been one of those Muslim widows Obama thinks we are "fearful" of importing into this country.

    Quite so. And their child is now one of those orphans Obama ridiculed us for being fearful of. And yet, isn’t it rational to be worried about what the child of two shahids will grow up to be?

  115. @Dave Pinsen
    One funny thing is that if lefties took their ideas about guns to their logical conclusion, they'd end up with Trump's wall. Even if you made guns completely illegal in the US, you'd still have guns coming in from our porous border with Mexico.

    They want “gun control” to disarm law abiding white Americans and make them defenseless against their minority thug street soldiers. Illegal weapons coming in across the border would find their way precisely into the hands of the type of people they want to see armed.

  116. @Wilkey
    From the Washington Post: "Only two of the 28 deadliest shootings since 1949 in the United States have had more than one shooter."

    I don't know if that list includes yesterday's shooting. One of them, of course, is Columbine.

    There have been innumerable NON-deadly mass shootings by more than one shooter. Most recently, several Negro males shot up crowded Bunny Friend Park in NOLA, perforating at least 17 people.

    The reason they limit their reporting to “deadliest shootings” is to carve out Negro mass shootings like Bunny Friend, which are much more numerous. Negros are impulsive and notoriously bad shots. Their preferred mode of mass shooting (at funerals, parties, graduations and street gatherings alike) is “spray-and-pray”.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    I didn't go to the lists noted in order to avoid clickbait.

    Did they include the 2013 Mothers Day parade gangsta mass lead ejaculation in NOLA?

    Seems the Bunny Friend shooter had long involvement with the perps in that one:

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2015/11/one-black-family-in-new-orleans.html
  117. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Gunfire keeps erupting.

    Lefties in Hollywood and Silicon Valley keep railing against the NRA (example below). They're all about restricting assault rifles, but, to borrow Daniel Horowitz's phrase, they won't do anything to restrict assault people.
    https://twitter.com/msuster/status/672178569024409600

    Richard Dear, an obviously mentally unstable man who lived alone a la Ted Kaczynski, was a terrorist.

    These two (and their accomplice) were Bonnie and Clyde in a burkha and a thobe. Or workplace violence.

    Don’t you get it?

  118. @Jack D
    Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist - maybe clock boy? Like the Richter Scale it would be logarithmic so the 200,000 dead in the Syrian Civil War would be a 6 or a 7 but yesterday's "eruption" would only be a 2 or a 3. The person giving the international weather could announce the day's eruptions all over the globe.

    “Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake.”

    Indeed. Inviting muslims into your country is kind of like building on the shore in Florida. It invites disaster.

    Maybe insurance companies could start offering Jihad riders on their policies. But they wouldn’t pay out for muslims, because – for them – it would be an act of God.

  119. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says:
    @Jack D
    Muslim gunfire eruption is a force of nature like an earthquake. You never know when and where it might erupt. We need a scale like the Richter Scale to measure it. You could name it after a Muslim scientist - maybe clock boy? Like the Richter Scale it would be logarithmic so the 200,000 dead in the Syrian Civil War would be a 6 or a 7 but yesterday's "eruption" would only be a 2 or a 3. The person giving the international weather could announce the day's eruptions all over the globe.

    And if a “tragedy unfolds” in the same spot where there’s a gunfire eruption … does that double the effect or exponentialize it? ¡Ay caramba!

  120. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    It’s really sad that the best account of the latest atrocity is from the Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

    Ignore the American Dream aspect. This is much clearer than the NY Times account.

  121. Slightly OT. Some of my lib Facebook “friends” have been posting that there have been more than 365 mass shootings in the U.S. this year. They cite this Reddit page, listing every mass shooting:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wiki/2015massshootings

    For each mass shooting on the list, they have a link to a news article about the shooting. Having randomly clicked on several links, I was shocked, SHOCKED to find that virtually all of them are blacks shooting other blacks.

  122. If this incident doesn’t get Trump elected, nothing will.

    And if Trump doesn’t run with this the entire way to the White House, I will be shocked.

    Yes, the election is 11 months away. Everything can change. Bush 41 was unstoppable after Gulf War 1 but the economy and Perot killed him and Bubba did a great job campaigning.

    But 1) Sept. 11th’s pull on Bush 43 lasted a lot longer than Bush 41’s Gulf War victory—because the action happened on U.S. soil; 2) this massively bolster’s Trump’s biggest issue: immigration; 3) Paris was so recent; and 4) do we really think that NO Muslim terrorism will hit the news between now and the election; and 5) any downturn in the economy or other areas of the country hurts Clinton, not Trump, since she’s part of Obama now (and that must roil her).

    Trump 2016. If he does half of what he promises, the country might be revived.

    • Agree: Travis
  123. @countenance
    1. When the left really starts screaming about gun control, they don't want us to notice something about the perpetrators and suspects.

    2. If you see something, say something, but just don't notice anything:

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

    … decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    I’m pretty sure that’s a misqoute, what he actually said was … decided not to report anything since he realized it was probably just a clock factory.

  124. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    Could there be a connection between guys like Farook working for the health department and the rash of e.coli outbreaks in America?

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    Just another form of terrorism. The question is this deliberate or are they just stupid?
  125. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Wilkey
    "He made $70,000 in his mid 20′s last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan."

    Well, his pension plan won't be that expensive.

    Sure, but the cost of terminating his pension plan was high, and might have far exceeded the expected cost of his pension plan, given that CA will likely be bankrupt when he would have retired.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    See, and that's the difference between you and me: you're making a rational point, I was just engaging in some morbid humor.
  126. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    This is something that citizens should be asking the great state of California.

    How can someone with such poor literacy and demonstrated murderous intent get a job in the CA government.

    Also, how many more Murderers has the CA government employed.

  127. If you work with a Muslim that 1) travels to Saudi Arabia and 2) starts wearing a long robe and 3) grows a beard, you better exercise your CCW right (if you have one).

  128. Clearly, Obama passing this incident off as a pure GUNS problem is lie.

    And clearly Republicans passing this off as a pure Muslim religious problem is a lie.

    The problem is us – how many Muslims can we kill without retribution from them?

    Once again we see that our immoral support of Zionist Israel is getting Americans killed.

    We are following Jewish Israel into an all out war with 1,500,000,000 people – this is crazy!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Once again we see that our immoral support of Zionist Israel is getting Americans killed.

    We are following Jewish Israel into an all out war with 1,500,000,000 people – this is crazy!
     
    Yep, that's it. That explains why the muslims just shot up Paris--the French are well known for being Zionist pawns. And why muslims are in conflict with with Indian Hindus, with Timorese Catholics, with Thai Buddhists, with Filipino Catholics, with Nigerian Christians, and raping Swedish women and British school girls ... Zionists all!
  129. Too early to tell if this means something:

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    “We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?’” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

  130. @SPMoore8
    This story is still breaking so it's a bit early to make up my mind what's happening here, but we can expect certain ideas to be floated: #1 - It was all about the guns, even though CA has strict gun laws and the weapons appear to be fairly ordinary. #2 - "semiautomatic" and "assault weapons" are common memes but (a) virtually all weapons are "semiautomatic" unless we are talking bolt action or revolvers, (b) "assault weapons" basically means a handgrip, because most rifles have at least a 5 shot magazine. #3 - Islam, religion of peace; shooter and wife were Muslims but most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant, #4 - There will be many Op Eds by feminists decrying how the patriarchy doesn't do enough for women of color, mothers, and women who are terrorized by their men to become terrorists, #5 - There will also be many OpEds about how microaggressions against Muslims, women, women with children, women with PPD, and women on their periods, and how this requires more government spending on programs to allow women to vent to paid government counselors who will affirm and validate their feelings. #6 - Celebration of Christmas is a microaggression. #7 - It appears at least some of the victims were POC, therefore #BLM, #8 It's all the fault of the gun nuts.

    I am certain that you will get at least several Op-Eds that start off with some woman talking about how depressed she was after she had her baby.

    Islam, religion of peace; shooter and wife were Muslims but most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant

    Reminds me of a gag I read at Chateau Heartiste the other day: until every Muslim on earth has participated in a terror attack, people will still say “they’re not all like that.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    "most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant.". Most Germans were not Nazis, but all Nazis were Germans.
  131. @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe, but the ISIS guys who attacked Paris a few weeks back apparently had no problem buying AK-47s on the black market in Belgium, as I recall.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I don't think it's a bad idea to slow down the gun buying process for the lone nut category like the guy who shot Rep. Giffords. Why not require that gun buyers need to be accompanied by a friend who would sign a register? This would slow down that type of shooter. On the other hand, organized, serious minded groups of individuals willing to die in a cause will always be able to obtain some kind of weapons.
    , @Jack Hanson
    The Charlie Hebdo attack kicked off with a damn RPG.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe…
     
    No, it isn't so. Here's a list:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

    Europe's laws are, pardon the expression, all over the map. The Czechs are rather liberal, the Poles next door much more restrictive. If two countries that similar can have such disparate policies, imagine what the whole of Europe must look like.

    Several countries are easier on automatics than the US. Imagine that.
  132. I would gladly have the government adopt a Buchananite stance of getting out of the Mideast, cutting off Israel, and restricting immigration ethnically/ deporting large scale, but since most commentors here seemingly wouldn’t do the trade, I can only tell you, enjoy the Invade the world Invite the world Collapse.

  133. I noticed during the early coverage that the news kept emphasizing that the shooters had “long guns.” This was in advance of any other identifying information. My guess at the time was that lefty journos were fastening on that descriptor in the hope that it would prove equivalent to “white redneck.”

    In retrospect, though, perhaps describing the attackers as having “long guns” might qualify as a hate crime?

  134. […] http://www.unz.com/isteve/san-bernardino-shooting/#comments “The killer has a dating profile: “religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. ” […]

  135. @Simon in London
    In the UK a big story last night about "three white men" carrying out a massacre, this morning had become a below the fold minor story of likely "workplace violence".

    Sudden Jihad Syndrome - nothing to see here, move along...

    I’m currently in the UK too, the story has been deep sixed from the MSM.

    As of now it’s item 10 on the BBC website front page with the strapline ‘San Bernardino: Police seek motive in mass shooting’.

    As ever the Daily Mail covers the germane points succinctly

  136. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Here’s the post where he covered it and his rationale for not publicizing the names involved in such attacks:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monsters-of-egotism-redux/

    I didn’t thoroughly investigate Steve’s coverage of the subsequent Virginia shooting but it appears that his policy of denying sick people the infamy they apparently crave, is pretty consistent. I think the motives behind jihad are a little different.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-the-virginia-shooting-a-hate-crime-terrorism-or-an-excuse-to-ignore-the-obvious/

    I did have a little trouble finding the Charleston shooting post with the site’s search feature and found it was easier to go by the probable date of publication. I also found that Steve, perhaps tempted by alliteration, did call attention to the name of that mass shooter in Norway, though that article was on a different site and it was certainly no defense of the perpetrator or his psychotic methods.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  137. Deportation fail:

    Pakistan sends deported migrants back to Greece

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/03/pakistan-sends-deported-migrants-back-to-greece-eu

    Forward this article to The Donald.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Beggar-thy-neighbor was a Depression phrase dealing with primarily European country currency devaluations to gain short-lived trade advantages. Make your money cheaper to sell more goods to foreigners, at least until they decide to play the same game, then rinse and repeat until the participants are too exhausted or broke to continue.

    The modern analog involves people instead of currencies. Devalue your people to try to gain some short-lived, and short-sighted, advantage, and then see how that destroys a culture.

    The nasty twist in Pakistan, and undoubtedly in several other countries, is that each devalued serial deportee heading back to Greece and points beyond becomes a potential parasitical weapon. Pak and others rid themselves of troubles, and the west willingly or not so willingly takes on those troubles and adds their own devaluations. Muammar Qaddafi tried to tell Europe about how he was holding back all the tide, as did Marshal Tito and others in prior generations and countries. They paid with societal unrest, death and destruction. None of the population manipulation will end well.

    Gresham's Law says that the bad money drives out the good money, which also may apply to bad people driving out the good ones. Think of neighborhood changes, for example.

    Why tolerate politicians willing to debase their countries?
  138. From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says

    I suppose this means we cannot talk about immigration or the related issue of refugee resettlement since this guy was an “American.”

    They said Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he met online.

    But can we discuss this? Though the lead shooter wasn’t technically an immigrant, had he been one who was granted legal status, he could have done the same thing, bring in a direct relative through family reunification. Thanks to the 1965 Immigration Act, legal immigrants and permanent residents are allowed to bring in certain direct family members in what some term chain migration.

    This is why post 1965 immigration has been on steroids. Earlier, overwhelmingly European migration periods did not allow this. Hence, most of us palefaces always had stories about family ‘back in the old country’. Today family left behind in the third world will probably eventually make it here thanks to family reunification.

    To allow for family reunification means that existing Americans gets little to no say over who comes in. So long as a newly minted citizen or permanent resident decides to invoke the family reunification rules, they get to determine the next batch of Americans.

    Someone once compared this to a country club whose membership policy involved bringing in new members, and then immediately letting those new members select the next batch of members. Then the newest members in turn would be the only ones allowed to select the next members, and so on. Of course no club would do this. What long-standing members would allow such a policy that removes their right to choose new members?

    But family reunification in effect does this to the US. Our newest members get to determine, without our consent, who the newest Americans will be.

    Let’s discuss this NYT. Why was he able to bring in this woman? Did ICE get to check her out, or was she green-lighted because of family reunification?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Why was he able to bring in this woman? Did ICE get to check her out, or was she green-lighted because of family reunification?"

    U.S. citizens have always been able bring in their foreign spouses, albeit with some review process by the State Department. That fact long predates any subsequent family reunification legislation.
    , @athEIst
    And immediately has a county job although the unemployment rate there and then was approx. 14%
  139. I won a five dollar bet that the shooters were moslem. It is time for us the ban Islam from our shores. Give them 30 days to leave. Those left behind will be separated by gender an put in labor camps until they die.
    It is a good thing I am a bleeding heart liberal. I hate to think what the conservatives have in mind.

    • Replies: @marty
    Check in with Loretta Lynch, will you?
  140. @Dave Pinsen
    Could there be a connection between guys like Farook working for the health department and the rash of e.coli outbreaks in America?

    Just another form of terrorism. The question is this deliberate or are they just stupid?

  141. Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country’s politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    If not, and I can’t think of any, then all Muslims are incipient jihadists and revolutionaries who should be precluded from residency in any rational country.

    Even those with mulatto Muslim presidents.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Well, there was Syria.

    Eritrea is about half Muslim and is a secular militarized dictatorship run by a Christian military leader who was pretty effective in his prime but seems to have settled into a despotic dotage.

    , @oh its just me
    Many Muslim countries post WWII were secular - nationalist leaders got their politics, like Ghandi, from the progressive west - many women didn't even wear hajibs - some say its reaction to zionism, western supprot of israel and corruption of post colonial regimes..

    and not just Muslims-India is shifting Hindu nationalist right.

    , @Karl
    >>>> Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country’s politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    Albania. Bosnia. Circassia. Bangladesh. Indonesia. ARMM portion of the Philippines.


    The two Israeli Circassian muslim villages have a better track record than north-Tel-Aviv Jews do, of supporting zionism with their bodies.

  142. You have to understand that this is a great victory — for Muslims. I expect a ban on all Christmas parties — they cause Muslims to go on shooting rampages, etc. Also inch-by-inch bans on pork, alcohol, and unveiled women. That stuff will happen gradually, likely by a pork ban in all government agencies.

    As it stands now, Muslim society is far, far more successful than White ones BECAUSE IT IS VIOLENT. Yes, Muslim peoples live in a nest of scorpions like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Libya, and Pakistan. Excuse me, Paaaahhhhk-eeeee-stan (the correct media pronunciation). BUT — their way of life does not get erased. On the contrary, it has conquered or is in the process of conquering other people’s way of life save perhaps Japan, and possibly China (which has both repressed and surrendered to Muslims).

    Muslims ability to get various other Muslims to band together to kill people to assert territorial control and crush competing ways of life is their critical advantage. White shooters are lone nut cases, and they don’t accomplish anything.

    Speaking “beyond good and evil” ala Nietsche, the failure of White shooters to act in concert with other White shooters and critically to not have a drip-drip-drip of inspired murders creates a one-way street of fear. Governments know they cannot under their PC strictures get rid of Muslims, deport them, imprison them, or do much of anything other than respond to the latest shootings — so they Islamify society to cut off future shootings as their is no Big Man to make a deal with. Governments have to make their society Islamic to satisfy the mass of Muslims who are willing to band together to kill.

    By contrast, there is no penalty for crushing White men because each is atomized. You don’t have constant territorial killings to preserve or expand their way of life. You don’t have organized punishment campaigns to expose the dirty dealings of elites and governments and make them pay in that form. The “best” White men can do is Anonymous which just targets big corporations and governments from a Left Wing perspective of not having more anti-White male stuff on hand.

  143. @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color.

    Wounded Knee is an extreme historical example of this. Its memory still festers on the Pine Ridge Reservation, almost 125 years later (Dec. 29th of this year).

  144. What happened to the third suspect the police arrested? No mention today, who is he/she?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The cops arrested somebody who was running away. But late yesterday evening they started admitting that he or she had good to reason to run for his/her life.
  145. I knew within a hour it was terrorism, specifically the Muslim kind. The attack style was as Robert Baer pointed out common in the ME. Classical hit and run, the couple fully intended to get away. Fact is most Jihadis aren’t into suicide – they just prefer to murder people like any good psychopath.

    I also saw how the MSM turned into a circus, refusing to release any details about the people involved – they always fall into this mode when the shooters are either Muslim or black, otherwise they release the info ASAP.

    FoxNews was going nuts trying to spin this event as a workplace shooting and even as the authorities released the names of the suspects they continued to spin. Their reporters were literally oozing desperation. Never mentioning Islam or Jihad once. The other networks were just as bad. At least CNN had on Robert Baer who called it correctly.

    And they all talk about finding the mysterious “motive”. They won’t mention ‘Islam’, they won’t mention ‘Jihad’, they can barely mention ‘terrorism’. Just like the Chattanooga shooting or the two community college rampages. No motive was ever found.

    FoxNews is probably the worst, still calling yesterday’s jihadi incident possible “workplace violence”.

    On one level the media and government response is a obscene joke but on another level it means we’re screwed as a nation. Because we’re not confronting the problem and that is Muslims. And in particular the notion that the more devout a Muslim becomes the greater the chances of him/her becoming a jihadi or supporting those who do. Jihad is part and parcel of Islam, it is mandated.

    Recent PEW polls put support for jihad among American Muslims at 25%. With all those “Syrian” males being brought in it’s probably like 50%.

    They just can’t wrap their tiny secular minds around the notion that Islam is a hyper violent and totalitarian system that cannot tolerate opposition of any kind. There is no golden rule in Islam, there is no notion of tolerance, compassion, etc.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    There is no golden rule in Islam
     
    Islam's golden rule is do whatever you must to get the gold (and other assorted goodies) from your victims.
  146. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    “Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?”

    On the contrary, the Dylann Roof shootings were covered quite extensively at this site. If you check the blog posts corresponding to the respective date of that event & its aftermath, you will be able to see that for yourself.

    Social Justice Warriors always lie….

  147. @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies’ bodies.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Exactly, and that is why the "ban guns" rhetoric is so absurd. Do they think society will maintain order because it is being hectored by young women who are snapping their fingers?

    That's also why TNC's vague rhetorical flourishes about "letting everyone out of prison" including "violent felons" is so absurd as well.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    Cops truly are detestable - professional liars. (http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2014/11/250-authorized-police-prevarication-as.html)

    It's indeed a big contradiction in the program of globalist pseudo-leftists that they want the despicable cops to be the only sector of society bearing arms.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies’ bodies.

     

    Kermit Gosnell was a cop?
  148. hum…..so I guess she gets her 72 virgins……an eternity of being ejaculated on prematurely…didn’t think that through!!!

  149. Authorities Search Redlands Home Tied To Suspect Syed Farook

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    Well, thank goodness the much greater tragedies of racial profiling (of non-whites) and un-political-correctness were avoided. Let us hope the most-worstest tragedy of all, a Muslim Backlash, can be averted as well.

    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.

    Lefties (Hussein prominent among them) look even more idiotic than usual when they use international terrorist group attacks as grist for their “disarm the populace” mill. Like Islamic militants have any problem finding firearms in Belgium, France, West Asia, America, Russia, Chechnia, or anywhere else they operate.

    Former FBI asst dir. Ron Hosko on CNN predicting San Bernadino shooter will be “anti-government” “militia” types.

    Best guess was it was Muslim fanatics or Cartel thugs.

    One funny thing is that if lefties took their ideas about guns to their logical conclusion, they’d end up with Trump’s wall. Even if you made guns completely illegal in the US, you’d still have guns coming in from our porous border with Mexico.

    Kind of. See, lefties’ ideas, generally speaking, have only so much to do with leftist policy, except insofar as they’re used to get the useful idiots on side. The lefty ideas that matter, the ones that get implemented, involve grabbing the guns, and no border wall. We the sheeple being blown away by terrorists and criminals? Omelets, eggs. Or maybe feature, not bug.

    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Funny how the press aggressively played up the Dylan Roof shooting for political purposes, but (as we all can predict) not this one. I wonder why that would be.

    The scum (you) chases one of the few honest men left in journalism, and ignores the hordes of liars. I wonder why that would be?

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn’t follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    As you go on to say, there would be tons of Americans deciding to pack their guns in grease and bury them rather than turn them in. There’d be a never-ending supply of admittedly over-priced weapons entering the black market.

    • Replies: @jackson

    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.
     
    Some thoughtful soul was kind enough to present the Mother Jones data in a digestable form, and even broke out Arab participation.

    http://i.imgur.com/hNz2gpI.png

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

  150. @countenance
    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies' bodies.

    Exactly, and that is why the “ban guns” rhetoric is so absurd. Do they think society will maintain order because it is being hectored by young women who are snapping their fingers?

    That’s also why TNC’s vague rhetorical flourishes about “letting everyone out of prison” including “violent felons” is so absurd as well.

    • Replies: @countenance
    I have noticed that severe and blatant paradox in the list of demands that the Black Autumn extortion mobs are giving to college administrators that largely agree with them anyway. They want no armed cops, no private policing, no policing period, private or public, yet they are demanding various things that can only happen via public or quasi-public force. I guess what they presume is that since they live in a high social trust high altruism world where people naturally and without coercion or force abide by laws or quasi-laws or edicts, they presume that all of society can behave that way without the need for even one armed or unarmed cop.

    I deep dive the University of North Carolina list of demands:

    https://countenance.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/to-each-according-to-his-whining/
    , @Chris Mallory
    Cops have very little to do with maintaining order. They exist mainly to generate revenue for the government.
    , @David In TN
    "Letting everyone out of prison" is not absurd to TNC as long as they are black.
  151. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    At Zero Hedge they have that dating profile along with a separate profile on Dubaimatrimonial.com

    Now if that matrimonial is real, it is interesting that he lists his country as Pakistan. He even lists his mother tongue as Urdu. He lists that he was born in Chicago and lives in LA. But looking at that matrimonial profile makes it appear he thinks of himself as a Pakistani, not an American.

    Note, you will need to scroll down to the middle of the page to find the matrimonial profile.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.
  152. @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    Police are racist thugs and the only people who should have guns. 🙂

  153. Muslims getting in on the War Against Christmas. Two Muslims shooting up a Christmas party doesn’t lead to the obvious conclusion for the MSM. But at the end of day, it is two Muslims shooting up a Christmas party.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    What if it was a Hannukah party, would the MSM then call it an anti-Semitic hate crime? Most likely.
  154. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    Nice to get it on record, since this event will be memory-holed in less than a week. What happened to that black guy that killed the reporter on live tv in August? Or his manifesto that he sent to ABC? Never hear about that, now do we?

  155. @iSteveFan
    At Zero Hedge they have that dating profile along with a separate profile on Dubaimatrimonial.com

    Now if that matrimonial is real, it is interesting that he lists his country as Pakistan. He even lists his mother tongue as Urdu. He lists that he was born in Chicago and lives in LA. But looking at that matrimonial profile makes it appear he thinks of himself as a Pakistani, not an American.

    Note, you will need to scroll down to the middle of the page to find the matrimonial profile.

    Here’s a photo of the guy and his bride:

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don’t know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    • Replies: @guy
    He is definitely an indian racially, but most pakistanis are, being either punjabi, hindustani or sindhi muslims. She is definitely not indian at all, she is an arab, the facial features definitely point to that.
    , @Ximenes
    I looked at the photo and I don't believe they did it.

    We know Farook was at the meeting, then left. Then someone showed up and shot up the meeting, then escaped.

    Four hours later, Mr. & Mrs. Farook are shot and killed in a shootout.

    I have yet to see any good evidence that they did the shooting. Maybe on his trip to Saudi Arabia someone identified him as an excellent patsy?
    , @Steve Sailer
    A general caution: Keep in mind that there are a lot more people with common Muslim names in the world than there are common Muslim names, so be careful in going to social media and searching on a name in the news. You might come up with some poor bastard who just has the same name.
    , @Karl
    >>> as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don’t know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.


    quite the _de rigeur_ amongst Msulim Bangladeshi chicks as well, even little girls.

    There might be some internet claim that the dot has hindu-religious overtones, but it real life is does not.

    Many many many Pakistani females (ostensibly) hate India/Indians, but simultaneously - are addicted to Bollywood potboilers.
    , @greysquirrell
    I can't find a picture of his wife Tashfeen Malik. The picture you posted looks like a Western woman dressed up in Indian garb. The killer claimed to be a modern devout Muslim and was looking for a devout Muslim wife, so highly doubt she would be weaing a saree and especially a dot on the forehead.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    It appears that the picture is of the shooter's brother, Raheel. The woman accompanying him is Raheel's wife Tatiana, who was born in Russia.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I thought that the woman was ostensibly from Qatar. Of course, that doesn't mean she's necessarily a Qatari. But the woman in that picture doesn't look south asian at all - she looks western.
    , @Harold
    It’s possible that what appears to be a forehead dot is part of the head jewellery.
  156. I think it’s worth pointing out that pre-“Militarized Police” in California might’ve had a much harder time dealing with these two than the post-“Militarized Police” did. The sort of trouble the former had with those two bank robbers who were armed to the teeth and wearing body armor, said trouble being one of the things that led Cali police to “Militarize” in the first place.

  157. @countenance
    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies' bodies.

    Cops truly are detestable – professional liars. (http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2014/11/250-authorized-police-prevarication-as.html)

    It’s indeed a big contradiction in the program of globalist pseudo-leftists that they want the despicable cops to be the only sector of society bearing arms.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    Detestable. Interesting point of view. If you're the victim of a theft or assault, who you gonna call?


    Ghostbusters?
  158. OT: or is it?

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WOMEN_IN_COMBAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-03-11-37-07

    That way lies madness. But I would respect the Pentacrats a tiny bit more if this diktat were accompanied by regulations that did away with the separate women’s physical fitness standards and simply compelled them to meet the men’s standards. Of course, that would ultimately mean the separation from service of about 90% of current women service members, but at least there would be a fig leaf on their claims of not lowering standards.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

     

    It won't be the first time I'm accused of being a heartless bastard so I'll go ahead and say it: this may be one of those rare unintended consequences that works in our favor. If these gals want to play soldier and collect the very high pay and benefits that go with, let them get out there where the Muslims are shooting at them. Losing feminists isn't something about which I'll lose any sleep.
    , @TangoMan
    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    What then is used as a principle upon which to object to the military created an Amazon Brigade comprised only of women and using them as the tip of the spear on some very dangerous missions? Women are the equal of men, right, so what exactly is wrong with a 100% female force?
    , @Art
    "Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:"

    Who wants to go into the military dominated by women and homosexuals who can cry victim in a NY minute?

    , @Hunsdon
    That's what the USMC did. They adopted new, MOS-specific physical fitness standards----another example of the Corps taking lemons and making lemonade.
  159. @SPMoore8
    Exactly, and that is why the "ban guns" rhetoric is so absurd. Do they think society will maintain order because it is being hectored by young women who are snapping their fingers?

    That's also why TNC's vague rhetorical flourishes about "letting everyone out of prison" including "violent felons" is so absurd as well.

    I have noticed that severe and blatant paradox in the list of demands that the Black Autumn extortion mobs are giving to college administrators that largely agree with them anyway. They want no armed cops, no private policing, no policing period, private or public, yet they are demanding various things that can only happen via public or quasi-public force. I guess what they presume is that since they live in a high social trust high altruism world where people naturally and without coercion or force abide by laws or quasi-laws or edicts, they presume that all of society can behave that way without the need for even one armed or unarmed cop.

    I deep dive the University of North Carolina list of demands:

    https://countenance.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/to-each-according-to-his-whining/

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  160. @SPMoore8
    Exactly, and that is why the "ban guns" rhetoric is so absurd. Do they think society will maintain order because it is being hectored by young women who are snapping their fingers?

    That's also why TNC's vague rhetorical flourishes about "letting everyone out of prison" including "violent felons" is so absurd as well.

    Cops have very little to do with maintaining order. They exist mainly to generate revenue for the government.

  161. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    He is definitely an indian racially, but most pakistanis are, being either punjabi, hindustani or sindhi muslims. She is definitely not indian at all, she is an arab, the facial features definitely point to that.

  162. @iSteveFan

    From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says

     

    I suppose this means we cannot talk about immigration or the related issue of refugee resettlement since this guy was an "American."

    They said Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he met online.
     
    But can we discuss this? Though the lead shooter wasn't technically an immigrant, had he been one who was granted legal status, he could have done the same thing, bring in a direct relative through family reunification. Thanks to the 1965 Immigration Act, legal immigrants and permanent residents are allowed to bring in certain direct family members in what some term chain migration.

    This is why post 1965 immigration has been on steroids. Earlier, overwhelmingly European migration periods did not allow this. Hence, most of us palefaces always had stories about family 'back in the old country'. Today family left behind in the third world will probably eventually make it here thanks to family reunification.

    To allow for family reunification means that existing Americans gets little to no say over who comes in. So long as a newly minted citizen or permanent resident decides to invoke the family reunification rules, they get to determine the next batch of Americans.

    Someone once compared this to a country club whose membership policy involved bringing in new members, and then immediately letting those new members select the next batch of members. Then the newest members in turn would be the only ones allowed to select the next members, and so on. Of course no club would do this. What long-standing members would allow such a policy that removes their right to choose new members?

    But family reunification in effect does this to the US. Our newest members get to determine, without our consent, who the newest Americans will be.

    Let's discuss this NYT. Why was he able to bring in this woman? Did ICE get to check her out, or was she green-lighted because of family reunification?

    “Why was he able to bring in this woman? Did ICE get to check her out, or was she green-lighted because of family reunification?”

    U.S. citizens have always been able bring in their foreign spouses, albeit with some review process by the State Department. That fact long predates any subsequent family reunification legislation.

  163. The speculation now is that it was _both_ jihad and a disgruntled employee situation. They were planning something else, but his tiff with a colleague prompted him to move up the mission.

    How do you shoot up a roomful of people you know? Didn’t he like any of them? I guess we’ll never know what the arguement was about. Those who know are probably dead.

    Another thought-their rental car was due back that day. We’re they thinking “now or never .”

  164. This shooting will infuriate the chattering classes and mobise them against the supposed knee jerk reaction, because the immigration proponents are the real knee jerk reaction.

  165. @Percy Gryce
    OT: or is it?

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WOMEN_IN_COMBAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-03-11-37-07

    That way lies madness. But I would respect the Pentacrats a tiny bit more if this diktat were accompanied by regulations that did away with the separate women's physical fitness standards and simply compelled them to meet the men's standards. Of course, that would ultimately mean the separation from service of about 90% of current women service members, but at least there would be a fig leaf on their claims of not lowering standards.

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    It won’t be the first time I’m accused of being a heartless bastard so I’ll go ahead and say it: this may be one of those rare unintended consequences that works in our favor. If these gals want to play soldier and collect the very high pay and benefits that go with, let them get out there where the Muslims are shooting at them. Losing feminists isn’t something about which I’ll lose any sleep.

  166. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “It’s bizarre that a young mother would participate in this. Post-partum mental illness?”

    It’s Muslim family values.

    The Tsarnaevs did it brother-and-brother.

    And Bomb Mom stuck by them.

    But I still say this is nothing compared to family of lunatics who steered Western foreign policy to mess up Libya, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Institutionalized terrorism by big nations is just called ‘foreign policy’.

    Without western meddling, Libya and Syria would not be burning.

  167. @Dave Pinsen
    Ann Coulter understands negative numbers.

    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/672280111735922689

    “Forget the terrorism, crime, welfare etc. Why are we bringing in ppl who are ugly? My Tinder immigration application process much better.”

    Uh-oh, Jews are gonna be pissed.

    Coulter is sounding like an ‘Aryanist’.

    • Replies: @Karl
    >> Coulter is sounding like an ‘Aryanist’


    looking at the pictures of Hitler-youth female picture models from the late 1930's...... you can have your Aryan chicks.

    Tastes vary, I suppose.


    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?
  168. @Percy Gryce
    OT: or is it?

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WOMEN_IN_COMBAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-03-11-37-07

    That way lies madness. But I would respect the Pentacrats a tiny bit more if this diktat were accompanied by regulations that did away with the separate women's physical fitness standards and simply compelled them to meet the men's standards. Of course, that would ultimately mean the separation from service of about 90% of current women service members, but at least there would be a fig leaf on their claims of not lowering standards.

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    What then is used as a principle upon which to object to the military created an Amazon Brigade comprised only of women and using them as the tip of the spear on some very dangerous missions? Women are the equal of men, right, so what exactly is wrong with a 100% female force?

    • Replies: @tbraton
    About 4 or 5 years ago, Sen. Diane Feinstein, when asked on a Sunday TV talk show whether it was time for the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan, responded "But what about the women? what about the girls?" Today's decision provides an answer to Feinstein's questions. She should be appointed general and put in charge of all-female--preferably Kosher---regiment and take it to the Taliban. Why should we be putting Christian men in harm's way to protect the Muslim women and Muslim girls in Afghanistan from the Muslim men in Afghanistan? Sounds like women's work to me---Jewish women's work, right Sen. Feinstein?

    BTW we should have pulled out of Afghanistan as quickly as we went in, just as Phil Giraldi was arguing for years on The American Conservative. Instead, under the direction of the numbnut George W. Bush and his successor, the numbnut Barack H. Obama, we have been bogged down in the longest war in U.S. history.
  169. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?
  170. Has anyone in the comments above or anyone anywhere who has suggested that the terrierist
    attended the Christmas party to see if any muslins where there? He stayed briefly and then left. If there had been an Islamic there, perhaps the shooter would have warned him that it was haram to attend an Xmas party and that he should split out of there pronto because . . . . But there weren’t any Mohammadans, so he left and came back with his crew knowing that he wouldn’t be killing any of his people.

  171. @Simon in London
    In the UK a big story last night about "three white men" carrying out a massacre, this morning had become a below the fold minor story of likely "workplace violence".

    Sudden Jihad Syndrome - nothing to see here, move along...

    In the UK a big story last night about “three white men” carrying out a massacre,

    How did three white guys get blamed especially when one of the perps was a female Pakistani? I’d like to see an audit to find out exactly who made this claim and put it into the narrative.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    I'm not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw "three white men with guns". I think that news clip spread rapidly and left people with impression that the gunmen were white.
  172. I don’t if anyone has posted this earlier, but this characterization of the San Bernardino shootings happened to catch my eye: “a kind of hybrid workplace jihad.”

    According to Brian Ross of ABC News on Good Morning America this morning:

    “BRIAN ROSS: Well it appears to be a kind of hybrid workplace jihad. He targeted his coworkers, but he also recently raveled to Saudi Arabia. On his website [a dating profile] he appears to be an all-American boy, he enjoyed snowboarding, working on cars, and guns , he was very comfortable with the gun culture.”

    Now that’s what I call inventive reporting.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "Hybrid workplace jihad" is up there with "white Hispanic."
  173. Farook had worked for the county for five years.

    So he goes to SA, comes home with a wife and she has been working for the county since then. The unemployment rate in Sbern county in 2010 was ~14%. Must be one of those jobs Americans won’t take.*

    * a job that leaves the crops rotting in the fields.

  174. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    I looked at the photo and I don’t believe they did it.

    We know Farook was at the meeting, then left. Then someone showed up and shot up the meeting, then escaped.

    Four hours later, Mr. & Mrs. Farook are shot and killed in a shootout.

    I have yet to see any good evidence that they did the shooting. Maybe on his trip to Saudi Arabia someone identified him as an excellent patsy?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Agree. Why would he go to the meeting and then go home? Why not just take your guns and accomplices with you to the party? Why wear ski masks? They had to know they were going to be identified sooner or later.

    Do we know when they got the black Ford Expedition? Did they drive home in their own care after the shooting?
  175. @iSteveFan

    From the New York Times:

    Suspect Was Born and Raised in U.S., Official Says

     

    I suppose this means we cannot talk about immigration or the related issue of refugee resettlement since this guy was an "American."

    They said Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he met online.
     
    But can we discuss this? Though the lead shooter wasn't technically an immigrant, had he been one who was granted legal status, he could have done the same thing, bring in a direct relative through family reunification. Thanks to the 1965 Immigration Act, legal immigrants and permanent residents are allowed to bring in certain direct family members in what some term chain migration.

    This is why post 1965 immigration has been on steroids. Earlier, overwhelmingly European migration periods did not allow this. Hence, most of us palefaces always had stories about family 'back in the old country'. Today family left behind in the third world will probably eventually make it here thanks to family reunification.

    To allow for family reunification means that existing Americans gets little to no say over who comes in. So long as a newly minted citizen or permanent resident decides to invoke the family reunification rules, they get to determine the next batch of Americans.

    Someone once compared this to a country club whose membership policy involved bringing in new members, and then immediately letting those new members select the next batch of members. Then the newest members in turn would be the only ones allowed to select the next members, and so on. Of course no club would do this. What long-standing members would allow such a policy that removes their right to choose new members?

    But family reunification in effect does this to the US. Our newest members get to determine, without our consent, who the newest Americans will be.

    Let's discuss this NYT. Why was he able to bring in this woman? Did ICE get to check her out, or was she green-lighted because of family reunification?

    And immediately has a county job although the unemployment rate there and then was approx. 14%

  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And of course we got multiple spellings of the perp’s names immediately. Very effective way to suppress the search terms from coming up on Google’s top list.

    See also “daesh” recently added by media to “Isis” “Isil” “IS” ……

    All the cool kids are now using “daesh”

    Bet there will be a fifth name/nick for Islamic State coming soon in the U.S. media!

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I can understand it's a pain. My colleagues and I did a pow-wow with foreign and domestic partners and decided to use Daesh exclusively and promote it as such in the media whenever we can. For one, the legitimizing connotations of the word State for propaganda purposes should not be ignored. In Romania, you cannot, as a private person or group, make an institute or a company called The Romanian X of .... or The National X of ... without prior approval from the government for your agenda and work specifically to prevent cases where it would imply official approval from the government. Secondly, Daesh itself, I've been told, is a bit pejorative and is used as such by anti-ISIS forces like Iranians who have no love for them. Thirdly, Islamic State already sounds too grand. Daesh is just another foreign name, almost like a punctuation mark. It will fade into the background among so many groups once it's been defanged.
  177. Goddammit, whose idea was it to serve ham at the Christmas party?

  178. @Flatbush
    What happened to the third suspect the police arrested? No mention today, who is he/she?

    The cops arrested somebody who was running away. But late yesterday evening they started admitting that he or she had good to reason to run for his/her life.

  179. @Jim Sweeney
    Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country's politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    If not, and I can't think of any, then all Muslims are incipient jihadists and revolutionaries who should be precluded from residency in any rational country.

    Even those with mulatto Muslim presidents.

    Well, there was Syria.

    Eritrea is about half Muslim and is a secular militarized dictatorship run by a Christian military leader who was pretty effective in his prime but seems to have settled into a despotic dotage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Turkey has been a firmly secular country for a fairly long time, but unfortunately, it is eroding, because Islamists form the majority of the population, and soon the secular population won't have a stronghold on power, if they even do now. (Turkey latched onto Kemal Ataturk in a religious way, but that's another story.) For those who will bring him up, it may seem crazy in hindsight, but Erdogan initially ran as a politically moderate, Western-friendly businessman, and he swore up and down that that his personal religious beliefs would not interfere with his upholding the values of secularism.
  180. @tbraton
    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe, but the ISIS guys who attacked Paris a few weeks back apparently had no problem buying AK-47s on the black market in Belgium, as I recall.

    I don’t think it’s a bad idea to slow down the gun buying process for the lone nut category like the guy who shot Rep. Giffords. Why not require that gun buyers need to be accompanied by a friend who would sign a register? This would slow down that type of shooter. On the other hand, organized, serious minded groups of individuals willing to die in a cause will always be able to obtain some kind of weapons.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Hey, I have an idea so crazy it just might work!

    How about introducing rigid gun control just for Muslims? Of, if the the religious test is too much, restrict it to people who visit certain countries rife with terrorism (like the current terrorist in question), or who come from such countries (like his wife).

    The left gets its gun control and the right gets its Muslim profiling and the American public gets a safer country.

    It's win-win-win, right?
  181. @Thomas O. Meehan
    Muslims getting in on the War Against Christmas. Two Muslims shooting up a Christmas party doesn't lead to the obvious conclusion for the MSM. But at the end of day, it is two Muslims shooting up a Christmas party.

    What if it was a Hannukah party, would the MSM then call it an anti-Semitic hate crime? Most likely.

  182. I made a post this morning pointing out that CAIR had rounded up the gunman’s brother in law to appear at their press conference within minutes of the gunman’s name being publicly released. I have since seen this pointed out by some TV talking heads. I thought it was important but apparently not Mr. Sailer since my comment is still in moderation.

  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Well, there was Syria.

    Eritrea is about half Muslim and is a secular militarized dictatorship run by a Christian military leader who was pretty effective in his prime but seems to have settled into a despotic dotage.

    Turkey has been a firmly secular country for a fairly long time, but unfortunately, it is eroding, because Islamists form the majority of the population, and soon the secular population won’t have a stronghold on power, if they even do now. (Turkey latched onto Kemal Ataturk in a religious way, but that’s another story.) For those who will bring him up, it may seem crazy in hindsight, but Erdogan initially ran as a politically moderate, Western-friendly businessman, and he swore up and down that that his personal religious beliefs would not interfere with his upholding the values of secularism.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "but Erdogan initially ran as a politically moderate, Western-friendly businessman, and he swore up and down that that his personal religious beliefs would not interfere with his upholding the values of secularism."

    As I recall, Erdogan encountered a few problems before he became Prime Minister in 2003:

    "In 1998, the fundamentalist Welfare Party was declared unconstitutional on the grounds of threatening the secularism of Turkey and was shut down by the Turkish constitutional court. Erdoğan became a prominent speaker at demonstrations held by his party colleagues.[48]

    "In December 1997, Erdoğan recited a poem in Siirt from a work written by Ziya Gökalp, a pan-Turkish activist of the early 20th century.[49] His recitation included verses translated as "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...."[35] which are not in the original version of the poem. Erdoğan said the poem had been approved by the education ministry to be published in textbooks.[50] Under article 312/2 of the Turkish penal code his recitation was regarded as an incitement to violence and religious or racial hatred.[5] He was given a ten-month prison sentence of which he served four months, from 24 March 1999 to 27 July 1999.[51] Due to his conviction, Erdoğan was forced to give up his mayoral position. The conviction also stipulated a political ban, which prevented him from participating in parliamentary elections."

    The Turkish secularists made the same mistake with Erdogan as the establishment in Venezuela made with Chavez, who as an officer made a failed attempt to stage a military coup and was imprisoned. They should have shot him instead. Just like Castro in Cuba, who was treated leniently by Batista, instead of being shot.
  184. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Cops truly are detestable - professional liars. (http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2014/11/250-authorized-police-prevarication-as.html)

    It's indeed a big contradiction in the program of globalist pseudo-leftists that they want the despicable cops to be the only sector of society bearing arms.

    Detestable. Interesting point of view. If you’re the victim of a theft or assault, who you gonna call?

    Ghostbusters?

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    If you must deal with them, you're better off knowing what you're dealing with.
  185. @Dennis Dale
    "He was living the American Dream" is destined to be the new "he was a quiet man..."

    Well, WaPo has declared “the American Dream” to be dead to whites. So I guess he *was* living it.

    If you can’t defeat a people, defeat their dreams. And they will follow.

  186. @wiseguy
    What's with the media calling military gear and/or heavy weaponry "tactical gear?"

    Why is said gear not "strategic?" And, specifically, what type of tactics is this gear for? Pincer movement? Swinging gate?

    The allahu akbar pass.

  187. As I believe I have noted before, I have not owned or possessed a gun of any type since I was young and had a BB-gun, which I didn’t use a whole lot. But there is the Second Amendment, which seems to guarantee the right to possess arms, and there is history, which has convinced me that citizenship ownership of guns is probably a good insurance policy against a takeover of government, at relatively little cost in annual deaths attributable to guns. (Compare to automobiles which produce large annual fatalities and injuries but which we rationalize because of the undeniable advantage in convenience and mobility they provide to society.) Having said that, I am open to any rational proposal that restricts the availability of guns to mentally unstable people. I am a very strong believer in the First Amendment, especially when it comes to free speech, but that doesn’t mean I think libel laws aren’t necessary.

  188. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think it's a bad idea to slow down the gun buying process for the lone nut category like the guy who shot Rep. Giffords. Why not require that gun buyers need to be accompanied by a friend who would sign a register? This would slow down that type of shooter. On the other hand, organized, serious minded groups of individuals willing to die in a cause will always be able to obtain some kind of weapons.

    Hey, I have an idea so crazy it just might work!

    How about introducing rigid gun control just for Muslims? Of, if the the religious test is too much, restrict it to people who visit certain countries rife with terrorism (like the current terrorist in question), or who come from such countries (like his wife).

    The left gets its gun control and the right gets its Muslim profiling and the American public gets a safer country.

    It’s win-win-win, right?

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    How about rolling back citizenship and extending ownership rights to citizens.
    But that's the opposite of what the global elite want- if you swamp the country with people who are not connected to the culture that brought forth the constitution, the constitution, and nation-state will be no more. that's the goal. "Open Society" of George Soros - a money lenders paradise.,
  189. @Svigor
    Authorities Search Redlands Home Tied To Suspect Syed Farook

    A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
     
    Well, thank goodness the much greater tragedies of racial profiling (of non-whites) and un-political-correctness were avoided. Let us hope the most-worstest tragedy of all, a Muslim Backlash, can be averted as well.

    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.
     
    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.

    Lefties (Hussein prominent among them) look even more idiotic than usual when they use international terrorist group attacks as grist for their "disarm the populace" mill. Like Islamic militants have any problem finding firearms in Belgium, France, West Asia, America, Russia, Chechnia, or anywhere else they operate.

    Former FBI asst dir. Ron Hosko on CNN predicting San Bernadino shooter will be “anti-government” “militia” types.
     
    Best guess was it was Muslim fanatics or Cartel thugs.

    One funny thing is that if lefties took their ideas about guns to their logical conclusion, they’d end up with Trump’s wall. Even if you made guns completely illegal in the US, you’d still have guns coming in from our porous border with Mexico.
     
    Kind of. See, lefties' ideas, generally speaking, have only so much to do with leftist policy, except insofar as they're used to get the useful idiots on side. The lefty ideas that matter, the ones that get implemented, involve grabbing the guns, and no border wall. We the sheeple being blown away by terrorists and criminals? Omelets, eggs. Or maybe feature, not bug.

    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?
     
    Funny how the press aggressively played up the Dylan Roof shooting for political purposes, but (as we all can predict) not this one. I wonder why that would be.

    The scum (you) chases one of the few honest men left in journalism, and ignores the hordes of liars. I wonder why that would be?

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn’t follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.
     
    As you go on to say, there would be tons of Americans deciding to pack their guns in grease and bury them rather than turn them in. There'd be a never-ending supply of admittedly over-priced weapons entering the black market.

    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.

    Some thoughtful soul was kind enough to present the Mother Jones data in a digestable form, and even broke out Arab participation.

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

     

    The Asians are in an environment quite alien to them, and they crack. Hispanics are not.

    I think almost all the Asian offenders were born abroad. Asian-Americans most likely fall well below the dotted line.
    , @gunnut
    Vertical scale - what do these numbers mean: 2, 4, 6... ?
  190. @tbraton
    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe, but the ISIS guys who attacked Paris a few weeks back apparently had no problem buying AK-47s on the black market in Belgium, as I recall.

    The Charlie Hebdo attack kicked off with a damn RPG.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I would be surprised if it is not possible to get RPGs into the US from Mexico.

    The next Muslim Atrocity in the country might well use them.

    Then the usual suspects will squeal about requiring background checks to buy RPGs.
  191. @newyorker
    One fact offhandedly mentioned was his wife came from an Islamic country (Saudi Arabia ?) . What was wrong with the local Muslim girls ? Too americanized even if they came from religious families? He may have wanted a submissive obedient wife even if she had to be somewhat culturally alien given her husbsnd's upbringing here.

    Obedient enough to accompany her husband on his mad mission and abandon her baby. What mom does that?

    >> his wife came from an Islamic country (Saudi Arabia ?)

    no she was Pakistani. Residing at the moment in S.A.

    Go to an Muslim marriage website, you will ocassionally see the face picture of a S.Arabian girl. Paki females aren’t gorgeous (Huma Abedin is an outlier, and her main claim to fame was that she wasn’t as obese as the NY-Jew girls that her husband was probably getting fixed up with), but you’d probably choose to wake up next to one before you choose a hijazi girl.

    South Asians (like Gulf Arabs) like their women fat. In Bangladesh, the brothel-madames feed cow steroids to the young girls, to put weight onto them quickly. A fat girl brings in more customers.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    Huma Abedin is not attractive; looks manly with that strong jaw.

    For anyone familiar with Arab attitudes towards South Asians, it was 99% the wife was not an Arab. No Arab, much less a Saudi would allow their women to marry South Asians. Arab think all South Asians are beneath them and deserve to be abused and exploited. There are exceptions but this is the norm.
  192. @Jim Sweeney
    Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country's politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    If not, and I can't think of any, then all Muslims are incipient jihadists and revolutionaries who should be precluded from residency in any rational country.

    Even those with mulatto Muslim presidents.

    Many Muslim countries post WWII were secular – nationalist leaders got their politics, like Ghandi, from the progressive west – many women didn’t even wear hajibs – some say its reaction to zionism, western supprot of israel and corruption of post colonial regimes..

    and not just Muslims-India is shifting Hindu nationalist right.

  193. C’mon, admit it. The 909, the attack being on a ‘social services’ center. We were all holding our breath that this wouldn’t be some idiot neo-Nazi group.

    OTOH, the Bayesian in me tells me that given that this wasn’t a neo-Nazi group, but the usual malcontent Muslims, the underlying probabilities have changed (demographically and otherwise).

  194. @Anon
    "Forget the terrorism, crime, welfare etc. Why are we bringing in ppl who are ugly? My Tinder immigration application process much better."

    Uh-oh, Jews are gonna be pissed.

    Coulter is sounding like an 'Aryanist'.

    >> Coulter is sounding like an ‘Aryanist’

    looking at the pictures of Hitler-youth female picture models from the late 1930’s…… you can have your Aryan chicks.

    Tastes vary, I suppose.

    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know about Thai men, but Thai women seem pretty open to white men. One married Charles Murray, IIRC.
    , @Beach

    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?
     
    Where is the long line of European women who want a Thai husband? If European women were suddenly overcome with desire to marry a 5'5" guy who resembles Ferdinand Marcos, I'm sure we'd see those mixed marriages very shortly.
  195. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The Charlie Hebdo attack kicked off with a damn RPG.

    I would be surprised if it is not possible to get RPGs into the US from Mexico.

    The next Muslim Atrocity in the country might well use them.

    Then the usual suspects will squeal about requiring background checks to buy RPGs.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Could you? Likely. Would it be easy? No. Not because of anything the USG is doing, but the cartels would make it prohibitively hard.

    Why? Because they know that sort of thing is awful for business. An RPG slipping through is going to shut down all traffic in the area. Its like when Agent Rosas was killed in California - the cartels dragged a guy down to the border in front of agents, tossed him over the fence, and yelled "He did it!". Same thing with the Middle Easterners found in Arizona - the guide sat them down, said "Be right back I've gotta go meet with our driver" and then went and found some agents and told them what was going on and that he didn't want any part of it.

    Its the reason why El Chapo had a standing order that his mules were not to fight "La Migra", but cut their drug bundles and run away. He didn't want the heat it would bring.
  196. Deportation tally + 5 mil! The efficiency increase in our society will be HYOOOOOJ! Too many people… so sick of having to wait in line at the transgender bathroom while brainstorming ways to cut taxes for the rich. #ChinaInDaTPP

  197. @candid_observer
    Hey, I have an idea so crazy it just might work!

    How about introducing rigid gun control just for Muslims? Of, if the the religious test is too much, restrict it to people who visit certain countries rife with terrorism (like the current terrorist in question), or who come from such countries (like his wife).

    The left gets its gun control and the right gets its Muslim profiling and the American public gets a safer country.

    It's win-win-win, right?

    How about rolling back citizenship and extending ownership rights to citizens.
    But that’s the opposite of what the global elite want- if you swamp the country with people who are not connected to the culture that brought forth the constitution, the constitution, and nation-state will be no more. that’s the goal. “Open Society” of George Soros – a money lenders paradise.,

  198. @AndrewR
    Because white supremacy is not really much of a thing anymore. Islamist terrorism is a big thing. Plus the mainstream media exaggerates the former and downplays the latter.

    But I agree Sailer should have blogged about Roof (if, in fact, he didn't (I don't care enough to check)). But other pro-white intellectuals did. Basically, more Roofs will come to be until our radically anti-white society chills tf out on the white-hating.

    The thing about Dylan is that he says pretty clearly & coherently in his manifesto that what drove him to racism was the media’s coverage of Trayvon Martin. He didn’t understand the hoopla around it and when he went out into the Internet he discovered race aware sights.

    Before & even up to the time of the murderous crime he committed he had black friends. A couple of them initially vouched for him pretty strenuously.

    The media by not covering incidents honestly is creating a pretty sizable underground of disaffected people. Some of whom only to emerge when they commit violence.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  199. @el topo
    In the picture I have seen of the identified male shooter he looks quite handsome.

    This seems to be a genuine difference between Muslim terrorists and white mass shooters - the latter are usually goofy-looking, often insane losers while the former are sometimes rather dashing and have girlfriends or wives which they're willing to throw away for a perceived greater cause.

    Are they Alphas? Or is it Steve Sailer’s theory of low IQ Whites looking odd, while low IQ minorities look more normal and don’t have a pathology that renders them socially inept?

    • Replies: @el topo
    "Are they Alphas?" Some of them are, like the bomb brothers or Ziad Jarrah, a main 9-11 hijacker who was reportedly cheerful and extroverted and had a cute Turkish girlfriend. Many are probably desperate betas as well, but the alphas among them illustrate even more strongly the depth of Muslim religious zeal, which I don't think the West really wants to acknowledge, jokes about 72 virgins aside.
  200. @Big Bill
    There have been innumerable NON-deadly mass shootings by more than one shooter. Most recently, several Negro males shot up crowded Bunny Friend Park in NOLA, perforating at least 17 people.

    The reason they limit their reporting to "deadliest shootings" is to carve out Negro mass shootings like Bunny Friend, which are much more numerous. Negros are impulsive and notoriously bad shots. Their preferred mode of mass shooting (at funerals, parties, graduations and street gatherings alike) is "spray-and-pray".

    I didn’t go to the lists noted in order to avoid clickbait.

    Did they include the 2013 Mothers Day parade gangsta mass lead ejaculation in NOLA?

    Seems the Bunny Friend shooter had long involvement with the perps in that one:

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2015/11/one-black-family-in-new-orleans.html

  201. @NOTA
    I wonder if this is motivated by Islamic fundamentalism or is a standard-issue workplace shooting. The fact that his wife was along makes it more likely to be ideological (it's hard to get co-conspirators when your motivation is that you're nuts), unless it turns out that he brought his wife along to shoot her first or something.

    This specific use of “motivation” refers to a specific sort of mentation.

    That’s not what’s at work here.

  202. @ikram
    The US is a crazy place. Anyone with a grievance takes to shooting their opponent. Muslims jihadist now, the Christian anti abortion shooter last month. Assorted crazies several times a year.

    In other countries, a mass shooting is always foreign inspired terrorism. In america, you can't tell until you do a bio of the gunman!

    The weird thing is that Americans political opinions about the shooting depend on the life history of the shooter. (Including most of the people on this site)

    I don't think America's chronic mass violence problem will ever stop. Its just built into the culture (like class conflict in Britain or gladiatorial combat in ancient Rome).

    Nice try.

  203. @Jim Sweeney
    Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country's politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    If not, and I can't think of any, then all Muslims are incipient jihadists and revolutionaries who should be precluded from residency in any rational country.

    Even those with mulatto Muslim presidents.

    >>>> Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country’s politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    Albania. Bosnia. Circassia. Bangladesh. Indonesia. ARMM portion of the Philippines.

    The two Israeli Circassian muslim villages have a better track record than north-Tel-Aviv Jews do, of supporting zionism with their bodies.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Karl,

    Bosnia is not a muslim majority nation. Is Circassia even a country?

  204. @george
    Deportation fail:

    Pakistan sends deported migrants back to Greece

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/03/pakistan-sends-deported-migrants-back-to-greece-eu

    Forward this article to The Donald.

    Beggar-thy-neighbor was a Depression phrase dealing with primarily European country currency devaluations to gain short-lived trade advantages. Make your money cheaper to sell more goods to foreigners, at least until they decide to play the same game, then rinse and repeat until the participants are too exhausted or broke to continue.

    The modern analog involves people instead of currencies. Devalue your people to try to gain some short-lived, and short-sighted, advantage, and then see how that destroys a culture.

    The nasty twist in Pakistan, and undoubtedly in several other countries, is that each devalued serial deportee heading back to Greece and points beyond becomes a potential parasitical weapon. Pak and others rid themselves of troubles, and the west willingly or not so willingly takes on those troubles and adds their own devaluations. Muammar Qaddafi tried to tell Europe about how he was holding back all the tide, as did Marshal Tito and others in prior generations and countries. They paid with societal unrest, death and destruction. None of the population manipulation will end well.

    Gresham’s Law says that the bad money drives out the good money, which also may apply to bad people driving out the good ones. Think of neighborhood changes, for example.

    Why tolerate politicians willing to debase their countries?

  205. Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph.

    Today, I was walking though the supermarket and I told the two Hispanic women babbling into their cell phones to, and, quoting myself, “STOP SPEAKING SPANISH. YOU’RE NOT IN MEXICO.”

    I really, really did. And, frankly, if anyone wanted to make more of it I was ready to go.

    And here is the deal: YOU ARE ALL SO DAMN WEAK.

    Listen, I’m a TTT lawyer who, in fact, passed the bar whilst drunk of my ass. And, I get it. Watching that Traveler, Joyce, I understand that I am stronger, harder, that most people. Lord, I go to the mall with my 1911 just hoping I can go out in a pile of brass (CORBON, mother F*kers) and just to quip nonchalantly whilst my life bleeds outta me:

    THE SNACK BAR IS CLOSED.

    Yet, for all of the violence and double talk, none of you Istevers can do it. Well, Twinkie maybe, and that crazy Finnish chick, but, for the most part, sound and fury (millions of words of it.) It pisses me off – the Cathedrals, the Cars, the Catharsis.

    WE DID THAT.

    We

    Did

    That

    It is time to end this shit.

    Rustin Cohle found God.

    So should you.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Internet_tough_guy

    Or you're a woman.
    , @JustAnotherGuyWitha1911
    Alas, no.
    , @Anonym
    Oh mighty keyboard warrior, I bow down before your heroism.
  206. @SPMoore8
    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don't know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that's the first cognitive dissonance.

    The second cognitive dissonance is that we couldn't follow the example of Australia, or Scotland, or some other country even if we wanted to. There must be hundreds of millions of weapons in this country, and even if 90% of Americans willingly forked over their weapons to be melted down into a monument for #BLM, there would still be plenty of weapons floating around for those freaks who do these mass shootings. In fact, the only way you could successfully eradicate weapons ownership in the US would be if you used massive amounts of force, wielded by *cops* with *guns*.

    Which leads to the third cognitive dissonance, because, in the event of a gun ban, the vast majority of law abiding citizens would either turn them over or else hide them. It is a certainty that draconian gun control enforcement would have a disparate impact on poorer, less law abiding communities, which among other things means communities of color. Which would inevitably mean more impoverished black folk killed by *cops* with *guns*.

    The end state is a further contradiction: We would have an unarmed society supervised by *cops* with *guns*.

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.

    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you’ve never spoken with a “lefty” on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don’t. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it “because freedom!”.
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    Ok, so you want to abolish the private ownership of guns.

    First, you have to get Congress to pass such laws, and then you will require men and women with guns to enforce them.

    Good luck!
    , @TangoMan
    what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns.

    You're not going to like this. What other wealthy industrialized nations have our demographics?

    Predictors of firearm homicide.

    http://i.imgur.com/M6EfBoB.jpg

    Young male homicide rates.

    http://i.imgur.com/IpMHDev.jpg

    State and provincial homicide rates in the US and Canada. Look at how parts of Canada have higher homicide rates than large parts of America. How is that possible?
    , @SPMoore8
    I made my first reply to you in haste, but I felt I should expand a bit: You are wrong, private gun ownership seems to be allowed in virtually every European country, much of the UK, but not all of the UK, seems to be the sole exception. Even there, the ban is not total, so much for "what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. " Even Australia allows private gun ownership.

    Meanwhile, the restrictions on gun ownership in the other European countries seem to be consonant, and, in some cases, more liberal, than they are in the US.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least "something like" what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an "assault rifle"). The second is that hunters and target shooters demonstrably own their own weapons and you would have a hard time abolishing both practices in the US.

    A third problem is that your entire agenda -- banning private ownership of weapons -- is supposedly justified by majority approval, if you were to obtain it. So, in other words, while genuine leftists will complain about police officers who engage in gun violence, they also wish to stipulate that the only people in our society who should be allowed to have and use weapons are -- police officers. If you do not grasp the dissonance there I can't help.
    , @TangoMan
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Border enforcement is one of the primary purposes of government. Your constitutional rights are not up for a popular vote. This is pretty simple stuff. What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?
    , @The most deplorable one

    If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.
     
    As is evidenced by the rate at which the people buy guns after every one of these massacres, mostly by non-whites as it turns out, the people clearly don't want less guns.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country…
     
    What works in "almost every other wealthy industrialized country" is either whiteness, or yellowness. Please inform us of any exceptions.

    I see you qualified your assertion with "almost" and "wealthy", allowing yourself to slither out of the major exceptions to "industrialized" behavior, Russia, Brazil, and South Africa.

    NB to all readers: when gun control advocates refer to "industrialized", "developed", or other such countries, what they mean is white, with a few token Asians for diversity. All would pass the paper-bag-left-in-the-rear-window-on-a-summer-afternoon test.

    Always call them on this.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Any discussion with a leftist must begin with your endorsement of the greatest of all crimes against humanity - communism.

    You are a child of Marx and Marx's explicit advocacy of terrorism. Your fellow-travelling implementers murdered at least 100 million in the 20th century and continue to tyrannize, torture and murder even now.

    The Islamists will have to work very hard to meet the standard you and yours have set for evil. You have shown them the way, all they have to do is follow your lead.

    The reason we will not, and cannot, relinquish our guns, is because doing so will ensure that you will visit your reign of terror upon us, just as you did on the French, the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Cubans, et alia.

    You are a plague on humanity. A plague that is worse than the mindless black death, because you are the consequence of intelligence turned to stupidity.
    , @Marty
    Either you're not a leftist or you're pretty dumb. Loretta Lynch says crticism of Islam is "bigoted hatred" and will be prosecuted. "Hatred," as you recall, was the imputed motive for opposition to gay marriage and the reason the courts couldn't allow the public to have what it voted for on that question. Given this premise, enunciated by a sacred black woman, how does the public get what it wants on immigration?
    , @AnAnon
    "If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them." - I'm more than willing to get rid of incorporation, and let states decide for themselves what their laws will be. Your goal is to impose that on the whole country however, which will be a little more difficult to enforce. The same is true of immigrants, to the extent that you're willing to hide and shelter them(though border security is simplicity itself), but typically people that support more immigration support more immigration into other people's neighborhoods.

    No one here thought it was a travesty that Freddy Gray got arrested(by the way, you have to enforce your anti-gun laws and not give criminals space to destroy for them to work as intended), so you can pretty much already get the gun control laws you want, provided that you're willing to accept the occasional exception where a good guy, who used firearms responsibly can defend himself legally.
  207. @Anonymous
    And of course we got multiple spellings of the perp's names immediately. Very effective way to suppress the search terms from coming up on Google's top list.

    See also "daesh" recently added by media to "Isis" "Isil" "IS" ......

    All the cool kids are now using "daesh"

    Bet there will be a fifth name/nick for Islamic State coming soon in the U.S. media!

    I can understand it’s a pain. My colleagues and I did a pow-wow with foreign and domestic partners and decided to use Daesh exclusively and promote it as such in the media whenever we can. For one, the legitimizing connotations of the word State for propaganda purposes should not be ignored. In Romania, you cannot, as a private person or group, make an institute or a company called The Romanian X of …. or The National X of … without prior approval from the government for your agenda and work specifically to prevent cases where it would imply official approval from the government. Secondly, Daesh itself, I’ve been told, is a bit pejorative and is used as such by anti-ISIS forces like Iranians who have no love for them. Thirdly, Islamic State already sounds too grand. Daesh is just another foreign name, almost like a punctuation mark. It will fade into the background among so many groups once it’s been defanged.

  208. Karl, your comments are consistently awful. Just wanted you to know that.

    Caught a bit of NPR on this today. NPR zombie interviewed SB mayor with very open-ended questions about what his experience had been like, then two pointed, leading questions as to whether this meant we should have more attacks on the 2nd Amendment. First time he avoided the issue by saying he thought that was a question for national policy. She followed up by saying mayors are starting to address the question, to which he responded that he didn’t want to make political hay.

    Then they pivoted to how GOP is responding to the issue with calls for better mental health policies, in contrast to Dem calls for more attacks on the 2nd Amendment. ‘Course not a word about border control or immigration control or bans on importation of Muslim jihadi populations. We already ban importation of all kinds of firearms, but importing Muslim fanatics is double-plus good.

  209. C’mon, admit it. The 909, the attack being on a ‘social services’ center. We were all holding our breath that this wouldn’t be some idiot neo-Nazi group.

    I wasn’t. Multiple suspects were reported early on. Genuine white Americans teaming up for this sort of thing is pretty rare. Teaming up for attacks on schoolkids, Columbine aside, isn’t really American-Americans’ style. It’s right up Islam’s alley, though (Russians have extensive experience with this). ‘Course it turned out they weren’t actually targeting the handicapped kids…

  210. @Ximenes
    I looked at the photo and I don't believe they did it.

    We know Farook was at the meeting, then left. Then someone showed up and shot up the meeting, then escaped.

    Four hours later, Mr. & Mrs. Farook are shot and killed in a shootout.

    I have yet to see any good evidence that they did the shooting. Maybe on his trip to Saudi Arabia someone identified him as an excellent patsy?

    Agree. Why would he go to the meeting and then go home? Why not just take your guns and accomplices with you to the party? Why wear ski masks? They had to know they were going to be identified sooner or later.

    Do we know when they got the black Ford Expedition? Did they drive home in their own care after the shooting?

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "Do we know when they got the black Ford Expedition? "

    I heard on the TV a little while ago that the vehicle was a rental. Can you imagine the reaction of the poor guy who rented out that vehicle seeing it get all shot up on TV?
  211. I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn’t know (or the authorities weren’t revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn’t until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.

    And yet, Breitbart was out ahead of the “real media” pack by hours because they – shock! – listened to the police scanner, the way reporters in the movies do.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    next step- police will be not allowed to 'profile' suspects over police scanners.
    , @tbraton
    Well, I don't normally watch Fox (except "Special Report" from 6 to 6:30, which has a lot of hard news), but I must say I found Sheppard Smith to be extremely annoying last night. He sounded more upset that the "media" were not given immediate updates so he would have something to talk about on air to keep his viewers entertained than with the possibility that the cops might have a good reason to sit on the information they had lest the assailants were watching TV somewhere. He was berating the cops nonstop, even though it turned out that they were on the case and knew what they were doing. He came across as an empty-headed lightweight.
    , @Dennis Dale
    Watching it unfold with the liberal outlets who had thrown in too soon with the "white males" trope and then becoming more nervous as the passage of time made that less and less likely (timed elapsed w/o confirmation of white-dudeness being inversely proportionate to its probability, as Ann Coulter tweeted), I couldn't help but be reminded of Walter Cronkite losing it on air when facts of JFK assassination were coming in too slowly.
  212. @Karl
    >> his wife came from an Islamic country (Saudi Arabia ?)

    no she was Pakistani. Residing at the moment in S.A.

    Go to an Muslim marriage website, you will ocassionally see the face picture of a S.Arabian girl. Paki females aren't gorgeous (Huma Abedin is an outlier, and her main claim to fame was that she wasn't as obese as the NY-Jew girls that her husband was probably getting fixed up with), but you'd probably choose to wake up next to one before you choose a hijazi girl.

    South Asians (like Gulf Arabs) like their women fat. In Bangladesh, the brothel-madames feed cow steroids to the young girls, to put weight onto them quickly. A fat girl brings in more customers.

    Huma Abedin is not attractive; looks manly with that strong jaw.

    For anyone familiar with Arab attitudes towards South Asians, it was 99% the wife was not an Arab. No Arab, much less a Saudi would allow their women to marry South Asians. Arab think all South Asians are beneath them and deserve to be abused and exploited. There are exceptions but this is the norm.

    • Replies: @Karl
    >> Huma Abedin is not attractive; looks manly with that strong jaw

    Tell that to Hillary. Unless you think that Hillary is a Bottom.
  213. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    A general caution: Keep in mind that there are a lot more people with common Muslim names in the world than there are common Muslim names, so be careful in going to social media and searching on a name in the news. You might come up with some poor bastard who just has the same name.

    • Agree: Spmoore8
    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    Fair point. The website that posted the photo seemed ok but if you have doubts please expunge.
  214. @Anonymous
    Turkey has been a firmly secular country for a fairly long time, but unfortunately, it is eroding, because Islamists form the majority of the population, and soon the secular population won't have a stronghold on power, if they even do now. (Turkey latched onto Kemal Ataturk in a religious way, but that's another story.) For those who will bring him up, it may seem crazy in hindsight, but Erdogan initially ran as a politically moderate, Western-friendly businessman, and he swore up and down that that his personal religious beliefs would not interfere with his upholding the values of secularism.

    “but Erdogan initially ran as a politically moderate, Western-friendly businessman, and he swore up and down that that his personal religious beliefs would not interfere with his upholding the values of secularism.”

    As I recall, Erdogan encountered a few problems before he became Prime Minister in 2003:

    “In 1998, the fundamentalist Welfare Party was declared unconstitutional on the grounds of threatening the secularism of Turkey and was shut down by the Turkish constitutional court. Erdoğan became a prominent speaker at demonstrations held by his party colleagues.[48]

    “In December 1997, Erdoğan recited a poem in Siirt from a work written by Ziya Gökalp, a pan-Turkish activist of the early 20th century.[49] His recitation included verses translated as “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers….”[35] which are not in the original version of the poem. Erdoğan said the poem had been approved by the education ministry to be published in textbooks.[50] Under article 312/2 of the Turkish penal code his recitation was regarded as an incitement to violence and religious or racial hatred.[5] He was given a ten-month prison sentence of which he served four months, from 24 March 1999 to 27 July 1999.[51] Due to his conviction, Erdoğan was forced to give up his mayoral position. The conviction also stipulated a political ban, which prevented him from participating in parliamentary elections.”

    The Turkish secularists made the same mistake with Erdogan as the establishment in Venezuela made with Chavez, who as an officer made a failed attempt to stage a military coup and was imprisoned. They should have shot him instead. Just like Castro in Cuba, who was treated leniently by Batista, instead of being shot.

  215. @Lugash
    Agree. Why would he go to the meeting and then go home? Why not just take your guns and accomplices with you to the party? Why wear ski masks? They had to know they were going to be identified sooner or later.

    Do we know when they got the black Ford Expedition? Did they drive home in their own care after the shooting?

    “Do we know when they got the black Ford Expedition? ”

    I heard on the TV a little while ago that the vehicle was a rental. Can you imagine the reaction of the poor guy who rented out that vehicle seeing it get all shot up on TV?

  216. @Percy Gryce
    OT: or is it?

    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WOMEN_IN_COMBAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-03-11-37-07

    That way lies madness. But I would respect the Pentacrats a tiny bit more if this diktat were accompanied by regulations that did away with the separate women's physical fitness standards and simply compelled them to meet the men's standards. Of course, that would ultimately mean the separation from service of about 90% of current women service members, but at least there would be a fig leaf on their claims of not lowering standards.

    “Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:”

    Who wants to go into the military dominated by women and homosexuals who can cry victim in a NY minute?

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    I have a crackpot theory: in the future the military will be dominated by competing factions of gay men versus lesbian women.
  217. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Ok, so you want to abolish the private ownership of guns.

    First, you have to get Congress to pass such laws, and then you will require men and women with guns to enforce them.

    Good luck!

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    that's why the globalist have been working overtime to replace the armed forces and law enforcement with 'diverse' - same way the soviet NKVD was comprised of the people with the most hostility towards the population and nation

    as for laws, are you serious? When have globalists let any law get in the way? That's what judges are for - to rule from the bench- if that fails, just ignore the law as they do with immigration.
  218. @Karl
    >> Coulter is sounding like an ‘Aryanist’


    looking at the pictures of Hitler-youth female picture models from the late 1930's...... you can have your Aryan chicks.

    Tastes vary, I suppose.


    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?

    I don’t know about Thai men, but Thai women seem pretty open to white men. One married Charles Murray, IIRC.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I am told that those lady boys who marry white men end up in the cooking pot:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-trans-murder-mayang-prasetyo-killed-and-cooked-by-chef-husband/news-story/3cc0546d44554b2e7ca70c473a2c1e0b
  219. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Romanian
    Are they Alphas? Or is it Steve Sailer's theory of low IQ Whites looking odd, while low IQ minorities look more normal and don't have a pathology that renders them socially inept?

    “Are they Alphas?” Some of them are, like the bomb brothers or Ziad Jarrah, a main 9-11 hijacker who was reportedly cheerful and extroverted and had a cute Turkish girlfriend. Many are probably desperate betas as well, but the alphas among them illustrate even more strongly the depth of Muslim religious zeal, which I don’t think the West really wants to acknowledge, jokes about 72 virgins aside.

  220. @Steve Sailer
    A general caution: Keep in mind that there are a lot more people with common Muslim names in the world than there are common Muslim names, so be careful in going to social media and searching on a name in the news. You might come up with some poor bastard who just has the same name.

    Fair point. The website that posted the photo seemed ok but if you have doubts please expunge.

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    In any event, the media seems to have embargoed the woman's image. Is this some kind of cultural respect thing or is she just an elusive minx?

    Also the MSN is writing Jane Doha out of the story; and shockingly, for feminists, denying her agency in the attack, as in the NYT headline referring to THE suspect, singular. I mean what is she, chopped liver?
  221. @The Z Blog
    I hate to be a downer, but as far as the managerial elite is concerned, this just validates their push to import more Muslims. They look at this as an example of anti-Muslim hatred in America driving an otherwise sensible person to madness. The solution is to increase the importation of Muslims.

    The only hope you have is that the Muzzies start shooting up places like Harvard and Federal facilities. Even then I doubt that the people in charge change course. We're an country run by the truest of true believers, both parties, and like the Muslim suicide bomber, they will die rather than abandon the faith.

    America has been taken over by a suicide cult.

    Correct, the current elite has too much invested in multiculturalism to change course, regardless of the consequences.

  222. “Neo-Nazis” have teamed up for roughly zero shooting sprees in the last God knows how many years. We have at least two prominent Muslim team-up killing sprees (Tsarnaevs and San Bernardino shooters) in just the years since 9/11 (the high water mark for Muslim team-up killing sprees on American soil).

  223. @Svigor

    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn’t know (or the authorities weren’t revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn’t until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.
     
    And yet, Breitbart was out ahead of the "real media" pack by hours because they - shock! - listened to the police scanner, the way reporters in the movies do.

    next step- police will be not allowed to ‘profile’ suspects over police scanners.

  224. @Cloudbuster
    Interesting. If you look at the racial breakdown:

    Asian 6
    Black 11
    Latino 4
    Mixed 1
    Native American 3
    Other 2
    Unknown 1
    White 44

    It shows clearly that whites are underrepresented compared to their proportion of the population (especially since this goes back to 1982, when whites were an even larger percentage).

    However, Asians are vastly over-represented.

    Asians are vastly over-represented.

    And at least half of the asian-american mass murderers are koreans. And since koreans are only ~10% of asian-americans that means they are by far the most likely american ethnicity to go on a shooting rampage.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. They're a little crazy. But you don't need shootings stats to know that. Sometimes great, but always slightly crazy.
  225. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know about Thai men, but Thai women seem pretty open to white men. One married Charles Murray, IIRC.
  226. @JustAnotherGuyWitha1911
    Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph.

    Today, I was walking though the supermarket and I told the two Hispanic women babbling into their cell phones to, and, quoting myself, "STOP SPEAKING SPANISH. YOU'RE NOT IN MEXICO."


    I really, really did. And, frankly, if anyone wanted to make more of it I was ready to go.

    And here is the deal: YOU ARE ALL SO DAMN WEAK.

    Listen, I'm a TTT lawyer who, in fact, passed the bar whilst drunk of my ass. And, I get it. Watching that Traveler, Joyce, I understand that I am stronger, harder, that most people. Lord, I go to the mall with my 1911 just hoping I can go out in a pile of brass (CORBON, mother F*kers) and just to quip nonchalantly whilst my life bleeds outta me:

    THE SNACK BAR IS CLOSED.

    Yet, for all of the violence and double talk, none of you Istevers can do it. Well, Twinkie maybe, and that crazy Finnish chick, but, for the most part, sound and fury (millions of words of it.) It pisses me off - the Cathedrals, the Cars, the Catharsis.

    WE DID THAT.

    We

    Did

    That

    It is time to end this shit.

    Rustin Cohle found God.

    So should you.

  227. @Svigor

    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn’t know (or the authorities weren’t revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn’t until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.
     
    And yet, Breitbart was out ahead of the "real media" pack by hours because they - shock! - listened to the police scanner, the way reporters in the movies do.

    Well, I don’t normally watch Fox (except “Special Report” from 6 to 6:30, which has a lot of hard news), but I must say I found Sheppard Smith to be extremely annoying last night. He sounded more upset that the “media” were not given immediate updates so he would have something to talk about on air to keep his viewers entertained than with the possibility that the cops might have a good reason to sit on the information they had lest the assailants were watching TV somewhere. He was berating the cops nonstop, even though it turned out that they were on the case and knew what they were doing. He came across as an empty-headed lightweight.

  228. @Spmoore8
    Ok, so you want to abolish the private ownership of guns.

    First, you have to get Congress to pass such laws, and then you will require men and women with guns to enforce them.

    Good luck!

    that’s why the globalist have been working overtime to replace the armed forces and law enforcement with ‘diverse’ – same way the soviet NKVD was comprised of the people with the most hostility towards the population and nation

    as for laws, are you serious? When have globalists let any law get in the way? That’s what judges are for – to rule from the bench- if that fails, just ignore the law as they do with immigration.

  229. Meanwhile in Pakistan… A Christian girl was beaten because her uncle dated a Muslim. Yet According to the left, Christians treat Muslims poorly.

  230. Ann “Adams Apple” Coulter looks at how the corporate media whores treat mass killings by non-whites

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/coulter-san-bernardino-shooters-unknown-here-are-some-past-mass-shooters

  231. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns.

    Yep, that worked great for France (and Russia, and Britain, and India, etc.); bad guys got guns, law-abiding citizens were disarmed.

    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    One of the lovely things about a Constitutional Republic is that not everything is down to the passion of the mob. Free speech, right to be free from unwarranted search and seizure, right to bear arms, etc.

    You speak for yourself of course, but lefties in general think if the people want less immigration and liberal gun laws, the gov’t shouldn’t comply.

    I can understand it’s a pain. My colleagues and I did a pow-wow with foreign and domestic partners and decided to use Daesh exclusively and promote it as such in the media whenever we can.

    I was thinking about this the other day. I think ISLAMIC State works best. Much better than meaningless drek like “ISIS,” “ISIL,” and “Daesh.”

    Corbon does make good ammo. 1911s are antiques for old dogs, though. You guys need to stop evangelizing them.

  232. “Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?”

    In those countries, an average white guy is comparatively good looking and wealthy. He can pull talent out of his league, and that’s why they go there. But a Thai guy in Europe? He’s getting the dregs.

    Your theory is deeply flawed, but I suspect you already knew that.

  233. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns.

    You’re not going to like this. What other wealthy industrialized nations have our demographics?

    Predictors of firearm homicide.

    Young male homicide rates.

    State and provincial homicide rates in the US and Canada. Look at how parts of Canada have higher homicide rates than large parts of America. How is that possible?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    What is the provenance of those graphs?
  234. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    I made my first reply to you in haste, but I felt I should expand a bit: You are wrong, private gun ownership seems to be allowed in virtually every European country, much of the UK, but not all of the UK, seems to be the sole exception. Even there, the ban is not total, so much for “what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. ” Even Australia allows private gun ownership.

    Meanwhile, the restrictions on gun ownership in the other European countries seem to be consonant, and, in some cases, more liberal, than they are in the US.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”). The second is that hunters and target shooters demonstrably own their own weapons and you would have a hard time abolishing both practices in the US.

    A third problem is that your entire agenda — banning private ownership of weapons — is supposedly justified by majority approval, if you were to obtain it. So, in other words, while genuine leftists will complain about police officers who engage in gun violence, they also wish to stipulate that the only people in our society who should be allowed to have and use weapons are — police officers. If you do not grasp the dissonance there I can’t help.

    • Replies: @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.
  235. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Border enforcement is one of the primary purposes of government. Your constitutional rights are not up for a popular vote. This is pretty simple stuff. What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @anonn
    The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person's right to their own machine gun. The gun lobby has has spent billions getting you to ignore the bulk of the wording of that very short amendment, its historical context and purpose, and judicial precedent.

    What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?
     
    The 13th Amendment definitively abolishes slavery, so not without its repeal.
    , @epebble
    "What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?"

    I am not sure why you are asking; but purely as a theoretical proposition, If a Constitutional Amendment can be passed, that would be possible! The 14th Amendment etc., were all Amendments after all; that means, in theory, they can be rolled back. Incidentally, If a Constitutional Amendment like that passes, POTUS and SCOTUS would have to enforce/uphold that. Yes, Dred Scott, Jim Crow can all be reinstated with Amendments! Brown can be reversed too. Entire 1964 Civil Rights Act can be struck off with an Amendment.

    I am surprised that in this thread on Second Amendment, nobody mentioned that it is a Constitutional Amendment and hence can only be rolled back with a Constitutional Amendment (and no other way, at least legally).
  236. @TangoMan
    Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:

    What then is used as a principle upon which to object to the military created an Amazon Brigade comprised only of women and using them as the tip of the spear on some very dangerous missions? Women are the equal of men, right, so what exactly is wrong with a 100% female force?

    About 4 or 5 years ago, Sen. Diane Feinstein, when asked on a Sunday TV talk show whether it was time for the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan, responded “But what about the women? what about the girls?” Today’s decision provides an answer to Feinstein’s questions. She should be appointed general and put in charge of all-female–preferably Kosher—regiment and take it to the Taliban. Why should we be putting Christian men in harm’s way to protect the Muslim women and Muslim girls in Afghanistan from the Muslim men in Afghanistan? Sounds like women’s work to me—Jewish women’s work, right Sen. Feinstein?

    BTW we should have pulled out of Afghanistan as quickly as we went in, just as Phil Giraldi was arguing for years on The American Conservative. Instead, under the direction of the numbnut George W. Bush and his successor, the numbnut Barack H. Obama, we have been bogged down in the longest war in U.S. history.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    We ignore homosexual pedaphilia, and shrug our shoulders and say it's part of their culture, yet we discourage Christian missionaries and forbid evangelizing, yet force the. To have women pilots and cops, sounds like a George soros open society "paradise'
  237. What then is used as a principle upon which to object to the military created an Amazon Brigade comprised only of women and using them as the tip of the spear on some very dangerous missions? Women are the equal of men, right, so what exactly is wrong with a 100% female force?

    NPR had an interesting bit on this, too. They made it fairly obvious that women aren’t as suited to combat roles as men, and that the new policy would degrade the military’s effectiveness, but that their position was that the female exceptions made it all worthwhile.

  238. @Art
    "Pentagon chief to military: Open all combat jobs to women:"

    Who wants to go into the military dominated by women and homosexuals who can cry victim in a NY minute?

    I have a crackpot theory: in the future the military will be dominated by competing factions of gay men versus lesbian women.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    What amuses me is that the ability to be in combat operations is viewed as something desirable. I could easily think of a number of male acquaintances who would have been only too glad to let anyone else -- including a woman -- take their place in Vietnam.

    But it appears that women want to be in combat operations units for the same reason that they want to serve on submarines: it facilitates them getting to higher and higher rungs on the promotion ladder. And truly that's just what a young man needs: a dressing down by a commanding officer who looks like his Mom.

    Well, we will see how it plays out, my time in service was a long time ago, and my kids are beyond the reach of the draft at this point. Meanwhile, I have had the pleasant experience of reimagining various war movies with an all female cast; I think that "Gettysburg" would have been a much better movie if it had had an all female cast, and a nude bayonet charge led by Colonel Jennifer Chamberlain in defense of Little Round Tops would be, for me, quite inspirational.
  239. @Svigor

    I turned on Fox News about 5:45 EDT, and Sheppard Smith was the sole anchor until 6 pm. He was stressing over and over, in a very agitated manner (became very annoying very quickly), that the shootings had occurred more than 3 hours earlier, and they still didn’t know (or the authorities weren’t revealing) even the racial identity of the masked shooters. It wasn’t until a couple of hours later (I normally watch Fox from 6 to 6:30 before switching over to NBC Nightly News but stuck to Fox last night) that they revealed the showdown with the assailants. So the authorities probably knew early on who the assailants were but were keeping a lid on the release of that info to the press while they pursued the killers.
     
    And yet, Breitbart was out ahead of the "real media" pack by hours because they - shock! - listened to the police scanner, the way reporters in the movies do.

    Watching it unfold with the liberal outlets who had thrown in too soon with the “white males” trope and then becoming more nervous as the passage of time made that less and less likely (timed elapsed w/o confirmation of white-dudeness being inversely proportionate to its probability, as Ann Coulter tweeted), I couldn’t help but be reminded of Walter Cronkite losing it on air when facts of JFK assassination were coming in too slowly.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    You're thinking of Frank Reynolds on ABC during the live coverage of the Reagan shooting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9nVmQOlRU#t=4m07s

    I can't find the clip on YouTube, but Reynolds also freaked out when he learned that James Brady was still alive, some time after his death had been reported. He growled, "Let's get it nailed down ... let's find out!" His bosses took him off the air not long after that.

    Cronkite teared up when he got the official word that Kennedy was dead, but he did not "lose it," per se.
  240. @iSteveFan

    In the UK a big story last night about “three white men” carrying out a massacre,
     
    How did three white guys get blamed especially when one of the perps was a female Pakistani? I'd like to see an audit to find out exactly who made this claim and put it into the narrative.

    I’m not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw “three white men with guns”. I think that news clip spread rapidly and left people with impression that the gunmen were white.

    • Replies: @jackson

    I’m not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw “three white men with guns”.
     
    Maybe "white" was being used the way the Census Bureau does, i.e., by including people originating from the ME or North Africa (meaning Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Iran, Morocco, Kuwait, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, UAE, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Oman, and Bahrain)?
  241. @The most deplorable one
    I would be surprised if it is not possible to get RPGs into the US from Mexico.

    The next Muslim Atrocity in the country might well use them.

    Then the usual suspects will squeal about requiring background checks to buy RPGs.

    Could you? Likely. Would it be easy? No. Not because of anything the USG is doing, but the cartels would make it prohibitively hard.

    Why? Because they know that sort of thing is awful for business. An RPG slipping through is going to shut down all traffic in the area. Its like when Agent Rosas was killed in California – the cartels dragged a guy down to the border in front of agents, tossed him over the fence, and yelled “He did it!”. Same thing with the Middle Easterners found in Arizona – the guide sat them down, said “Be right back I’ve gotta go meet with our driver” and then went and found some agents and told them what was going on and that he didn’t want any part of it.

    Its the reason why El Chapo had a standing order that his mules were not to fight “La Migra”, but cut their drug bundles and run away. He didn’t want the heat it would bring.

  242. @Dennis Dale
    I have a crackpot theory: in the future the military will be dominated by competing factions of gay men versus lesbian women.

    What amuses me is that the ability to be in combat operations is viewed as something desirable. I could easily think of a number of male acquaintances who would have been only too glad to let anyone else — including a woman — take their place in Vietnam.

    But it appears that women want to be in combat operations units for the same reason that they want to serve on submarines: it facilitates them getting to higher and higher rungs on the promotion ladder. And truly that’s just what a young man needs: a dressing down by a commanding officer who looks like his Mom.

    Well, we will see how it plays out, my time in service was a long time ago, and my kids are beyond the reach of the draft at this point. Meanwhile, I have had the pleasant experience of reimagining various war movies with an all female cast; I think that “Gettysburg” would have been a much better movie if it had had an all female cast, and a nude bayonet charge led by Colonel Jennifer Chamberlain in defense of Little Round Tops would be, for me, quite inspirational.

  243. @Spmoore8
    Fair point. The website that posted the photo seemed ok but if you have doubts please expunge.

    In any event, the media seems to have embargoed the woman’s image. Is this some kind of cultural respect thing or is she just an elusive minx?

    Also the MSN is writing Jane Doha out of the story; and shockingly, for feminists, denying her agency in the attack, as in the NYT headline referring to THE suspect, singular. I mean what is she, chopped liver?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I have been doing some research, and cannot vouch for the accuracy of my sources, but the following article has three photos of Mrs. Terrorist and she appears to have been a Russian babe:

    http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Curiouser and curiouser. Meanwhile, Walid Shoebat (at the above) insists that "Tafsheen Malik" was the name of a famous (male) Jihadist about 1,000 years ago.

    Again, at this stage, caveat emptor.
  244. @Lot
    The killer has a dating profile:

    "religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends. "

    His literacy level is about that of a 7th grader. Maybe worse, using the word "religios" twice. He made $70,000 in his mid 20's last year working for the local government, no doubt with some very expensive pension and benefit plan. While an environmental inspector of some sort, he also does not know how to spell "environmental."

    Instead of thanking the US for having a civilization in place that enabled someone like him to succeed, he murders Americans in cold blood with his jihad wife. Really takes the saying you just can’t please some people to a whole new murderous level.

  245. @tbraton
    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe, but the ISIS guys who attacked Paris a few weeks back apparently had no problem buying AK-47s on the black market in Belgium, as I recall.

    Besides, it is my understanding that gun ownership is generally banned throughout Europe…

    No, it isn’t so. Here’s a list:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

    Europe’s laws are, pardon the expression, all over the map. The Czechs are rather liberal, the Poles next door much more restrictive. If two countries that similar can have such disparate policies, imagine what the whole of Europe must look like.

    Several countries are easier on automatics than the US. Imagine that.

  246. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    As is evidenced by the rate at which the people buy guns after every one of these massacres, mostly by non-whites as it turns out, the people clearly don’t want less guns.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …the people clearly don’t want less guns.
     
    Or fewer guns, either. Where did this troll go to school?
  247. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country…

    What works in “almost every other wealthy industrialized country” is either whiteness, or yellowness. Please inform us of any exceptions.

    I see you qualified your assertion with “almost” and “wealthy”, allowing yourself to slither out of the major exceptions to “industrialized” behavior, Russia, Brazil, and South Africa.

    NB to all readers: when gun control advocates refer to “industrialized”, “developed”, or other such countries, what they mean is white, with a few token Asians for diversity. All would pass the paper-bag-left-in-the-rear-window-on-a-summer-afternoon test.

    Always call them on this.

  248. @G Pinfold
    In any event, the media seems to have embargoed the woman's image. Is this some kind of cultural respect thing or is she just an elusive minx?

    Also the MSN is writing Jane Doha out of the story; and shockingly, for feminists, denying her agency in the attack, as in the NYT headline referring to THE suspect, singular. I mean what is she, chopped liver?

    I have been doing some research, and cannot vouch for the accuracy of my sources, but the following article has three photos of Mrs. Terrorist and she appears to have been a Russian babe:

    http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Curiouser and curiouser. Meanwhile, Walid Shoebat (at the above) insists that “Tafsheen Malik” was the name of a famous (male) Jihadist about 1,000 years ago.

    Again, at this stage, caveat emptor.

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    The strange case of the faceless Jihadette. Investigations and revelations are likely to be interesting indeed.
  249. @Karl
    >>>> Is there any country in the world in which Muslims have a demographic majority wherein the country’s politics and law are not Islamic and/or Sharia based? Any at all?

    Albania. Bosnia. Circassia. Bangladesh. Indonesia. ARMM portion of the Philippines.


    The two Israeli Circassian muslim villages have a better track record than north-Tel-Aviv Jews do, of supporting zionism with their bodies.

    Karl,

    Bosnia is not a muslim majority nation. Is Circassia even a country?

  250. @jackson

    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.
     
    Some thoughtful soul was kind enough to present the Mother Jones data in a digestable form, and even broke out Arab participation.

    http://i.imgur.com/hNz2gpI.png

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

    The Asians are in an environment quite alien to them, and they crack. Hispanics are not.

    I think almost all the Asian offenders were born abroad. Asian-Americans most likely fall well below the dotted line.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe Asian includes South Asian.
  251. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @TangoMan
    what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns.

    You're not going to like this. What other wealthy industrialized nations have our demographics?

    Predictors of firearm homicide.

    http://i.imgur.com/M6EfBoB.jpg

    Young male homicide rates.

    http://i.imgur.com/IpMHDev.jpg

    State and provincial homicide rates in the US and Canada. Look at how parts of Canada have higher homicide rates than large parts of America. How is that possible?

    What is the provenance of those graphs?

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    Predictors of firearm homicides comes from this paper. Here is a direct link to Table 3. Look at that table and then look at how ThinkProgress reported on the paper:

    The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.
     
    The 2nd graph is output from the CDC mortality database so you can slice and dice the data.

    I forgot to include the 3rd graph which comes from a UN report. Here's that graph. Check the difference between northern states and Canada's prairie provinces and territories. Ask liberals to explain that in light of differing gun legislation between Canada and the US.

    http://i.imgur.com/jaBz4Po.jpg

  252. @BurplesonAFB
    Detestable. Interesting point of view. If you're the victim of a theft or assault, who you gonna call?


    Ghostbusters?

    If you must deal with them, you’re better off knowing what you’re dealing with.

  253. @countenance
    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies' bodies.

    Except the left wants everyone to hate cops because they are waging war on black babies’ bodies.

    Kermit Gosnell was a cop?

  254. @disambiguated
    They planned this out - dropped off their baby with the husband's mother, falsely claiming they had a doctor's appointment. The kerfluffle at the Christmas Party (I thought those were unconstitutional on government property, these days?) was most likely a provocation to provide an excuse for them to leave and suit up (didn't want to leave the guns out in the car, wanted to ensure maximal number of potential victims were present).

    Yet again, nobody rushed the shooters while they reloaded (they weren't disciplined enough to maintain continuous fire by alternating their reload cycles), nobody tried to interfere by throwing objects, etc.

    The only shooting incident in recent memory where the attacker was foiled was the one on the train in France. It was US servicemen who subdued him.

    In addition to all the negative social effects of having a 'professional' military set apart from the citizenry (out of sight, out of mind; far easier to launch wars of choice), the end of conscription means that the vast majority of the citizenry have no conception at all of how to defend themselves.

    Going up unarmed against an active shooter is something that most people who haven't received the relevant training and conditioning simply haven't the intestinal fortitude to contemplate. All these 'active shooter' drills - like the ones which reportedly took place at the San Bernardino shooting site - are essentially 'cowering-in-place' exercises, and are as wrongheaded and harmful as pre-9/11 airline hijacking institutionalized submission and conciliation on the part of airline crews and passengers.

    And I will point out the obvious; if only one or two citizens in that facility had been armed (no security guards?), this massacre could've been cut short.

    In addition to all the negative social effects of having a ‘professional’ military set apart from the citizenry (out of sight, out of mind; far easier to launch wars of choice), the end of conscription means that the vast majority of the citizenry have no conception at all of how to defend themselves.

    Very true, but conscription’s not coming back because you can’t fight imperial wars with conscripts. You can only defend the home country. The Romans learned that ages ago.

  255. @SPMoore8
    I made my first reply to you in haste, but I felt I should expand a bit: You are wrong, private gun ownership seems to be allowed in virtually every European country, much of the UK, but not all of the UK, seems to be the sole exception. Even there, the ban is not total, so much for "what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. " Even Australia allows private gun ownership.

    Meanwhile, the restrictions on gun ownership in the other European countries seem to be consonant, and, in some cases, more liberal, than they are in the US.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least "something like" what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an "assault rifle"). The second is that hunters and target shooters demonstrably own their own weapons and you would have a hard time abolishing both practices in the US.

    A third problem is that your entire agenda -- banning private ownership of weapons -- is supposedly justified by majority approval, if you were to obtain it. So, in other words, while genuine leftists will complain about police officers who engage in gun violence, they also wish to stipulate that the only people in our society who should be allowed to have and use weapons are -- police officers. If you do not grasp the dissonance there I can't help.

    OK, well if we’re going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I’ve heard that argument many times and don’t find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn’t allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that’s probably why Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)

    I don’t care. Not one bit. Veterans don’t get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don’t want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it’s bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don’t see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    Your contempt for veterans is duly noted. Semiautomatic pistols have been around for over a century; even revolvers are semiautomatic in a purely mechanical way.

    Again, the laws in Europe are variable but they do allow for for handguns and semiautomatic rifles for those qualified.

    You seem to think that rate of fire is determinative in these shootings. I think you are wrong. With practice determination and clipped ammo you can get very respectable rates of fire with bolt action and revolvers.

    Like I said, good luck passing the laws and good luck enforcing them.
    , @TangoMan
    And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    There's a powerfully valid reason not to try, think of it this way, there exist in society a whole bunch of sexless nerds who've never experienced the touch of a woman. We all hold dear the principle that sex slavery should not be forced on anyone. But think of the nerds, think of how much better life would be for them if they could have sex with women! So here's what we do, we just chip away a little at women's sexual sovereignty because, really, what could go wrong?

    Once you sacrifice a principle or a right, then all future Leftist movement only works at chipping away even more on the freedom you have left. Rinse and repeat.

    The 1965 Immigration Reform Bill:


    "I would say for the Asia-Pacific Triangle it [immigration] would be approximately 5,000, Mr. Chairman, after which immigration from that source would virtually disappear; 5,000 immigrants would come the first year, but we do not expect that there would be any great influx after that." (U.S. Congress, House, 1964 hearings, p. 418.)
     
    And of course, Teddy Kennedy:

    "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." . . . .

    "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)
     

    And Secretary Rusk:

    "The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years ... I don't think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States ... There is not a general move toward the United States." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington D.C., Feb. 10, 1965, p.65.)

    [Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk's predicted level. From 1965 through 1993, immigration from India totaled 558,980.]
     

    And Hubert Humphrey from the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

    It the Senator can find in Title VII … any language which provides that an employer will have to hire on the basis of percentage or quota related to color, race, religion, or national origin, I will start eating the pages one after another, because it is not in there.
     
    And here Eugene Volokh noting the same tactic being used with regards to homosexual marriage:

    Consider how the decision relies on the enactment of past gay rights laws. The backers of such laws often argue that these laws do not create a slippery slope towards same-sex marriage or civil unions. Thus, for instance, an editorial in the Boston Globe, Oct. 15, 1989, at A30, said "[A proposed antidiscrimination law barring sexual orientation discrimination in credit, employment, insurance, public accommodation and housing] does not legalize 'gay marriage' or confer any right on homosexual, lesbian or unmarried heterosexual couples to 'domestic benefits.' Nor does passage of the bill put Massachusetts on a 'slippery slope' toward such rights." See also Phil Pitchford, Council Members Wary of Partner Registry, Riverside Press-Enterprise, Apr. 30, 1994, at B1, quoting Riverside Human Relations Commission member Kay Smith as saying that "[t]hose that truly have a problem with homosexuality will see [a domestic partnership proposal] as part of the 'slippery slope' [toward gay marriages] . . . . But, this legislation needs to be looked at on the face value of what it is, and it really does very little." And see the Editorial, A Vote Against Hate, Louisville Courier-J., Feb. 3, 1994, at 6A, rejecting as "arrant nonsense" the claim that a hate crime law "would lead to acceptance of gay marriages."
     
    Frankly, I'm not understanding why you find the following so difficult to comprehend - "My rights are not negotiable."
    , @The most deplorable one

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that’s probably why Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours.
     
    You seem bound and determined to ignore the information in the study reported by Tangoman.

    A large part of the reason that Germany has a much lower gun death rate that the US is that Germany has a much lower black proportion of its population.
    , @AnotherDad

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that’s probably why Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours.
     
    And what's the gun death rate from German Americans?

    Or more reasonably--since there's a "substitution effect"--the homicide rate for Germans vs. German Americans?

    Seriously all these tedious leftist "they do it better in Europe" comparisons. We don't have the demographics of Europe. (Though they are under leftist insanity doing their best to close the "vibrancy" gap.)

    ~~~
    But there's a simply solution to make both of us happy -- separation. Let's split!

    You can have your leftist republic--open borders, diversity, multi-culturalism, high taxes, and an enormous state, that enforces a gun ban. (It sounds like hell to me.)

    I'll take white people and live with their guns. We'll see which is a nicer place to live.

    BTW, Switzerland is generally regarded as part of "continental Europe". All the males are supposed to be trained as part of the militia and have to keep their gun--generally an automatic weapon at home. Wikipedia indicates they no longer issued ammo to keep at home--though they can buy their own for compatible weapons if they have them--since 2007, probably in preparation for Schengen. And they have a liberal policy for keeping the weapons--converted to semi-auto, i.e. what you'd call "an assault rifle"--when militia duty completes. In any case, the point is they aren't running around shooting up the joint ... because they are Swiss.
    , @Discard
    The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, it's about political power. Is there an amendment recognizing the right to own plows or axes, or any other tools? The guns referred to are for shooting tyrants and their agents.

    And it is about an individual right to own guns. Did you imagine that, unlike everything else in the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment guarantees the rights of state governments?
    , @TangoMan
    Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    If you're bound and determined to institute a ban because you want to lower the death rate, then why not institute a blanket ban on blacks and Hispanics and prohibit them, by law, from owning firearms? Clearly you're not the least concerned about civil rights, so if you object to such a measure why not inform us about WHY you would object to such a sensible proposal?
  256. @JustAnotherGuyWitha1911
    Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph.

    Today, I was walking though the supermarket and I told the two Hispanic women babbling into their cell phones to, and, quoting myself, "STOP SPEAKING SPANISH. YOU'RE NOT IN MEXICO."


    I really, really did. And, frankly, if anyone wanted to make more of it I was ready to go.

    And here is the deal: YOU ARE ALL SO DAMN WEAK.

    Listen, I'm a TTT lawyer who, in fact, passed the bar whilst drunk of my ass. And, I get it. Watching that Traveler, Joyce, I understand that I am stronger, harder, that most people. Lord, I go to the mall with my 1911 just hoping I can go out in a pile of brass (CORBON, mother F*kers) and just to quip nonchalantly whilst my life bleeds outta me:

    THE SNACK BAR IS CLOSED.

    Yet, for all of the violence and double talk, none of you Istevers can do it. Well, Twinkie maybe, and that crazy Finnish chick, but, for the most part, sound and fury (millions of words of it.) It pisses me off - the Cathedrals, the Cars, the Catharsis.

    WE DID THAT.

    We

    Did

    That

    It is time to end this shit.

    Rustin Cohle found God.

    So should you.

    Alas, no.

  257. @TangoMan
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Border enforcement is one of the primary purposes of government. Your constitutional rights are not up for a popular vote. This is pretty simple stuff. What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?

    The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person’s right to their own machine gun. The gun lobby has has spent billions getting you to ignore the bulk of the wording of that very short amendment, its historical context and purpose, and judicial precedent.

    What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?

    The 13th Amendment definitively abolishes slavery, so not without its repeal.

    • Replies: @Discard
    Why does the 2nd Amendment, unlike the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights, not refer to the rights of individual citizens? What else is meant by "…the right of the people…"? The militia, as stated by the authors of the Constitution, IS the people. Do you really think that the voters who approved the Constitution were voting to allow governments to outlaw firearms?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person’s right to their own machine gun."

    You are completely wrong. The 2nd amendment refers to "the people" just as does the 1st amendment and the 4th amendment. They are the same people. Or do you maintain that there is no individual right to free speech or freedom of religion or to be free from unreasonable search and seizure?
  258. @The most deplorable one
    What is the provenance of those graphs?

    Predictors of firearm homicides comes from this paper. Here is a direct link to Table 3. Look at that table and then look at how ThinkProgress reported on the paper:

    The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.

    The 2nd graph is output from the CDC mortality database so you can slice and dice the data.

    I forgot to include the 3rd graph which comes from a UN report. Here’s that graph. Check the difference between northern states and Canada’s prairie provinces and territories. Ask liberals to explain that in light of differing gun legislation between Canada and the US.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    If you read that that article they seem to completely ignore the correlation between black proportion of the population and increases in gun homicide, which seems dishonest.

    What is your take?

    The lead author seems to have a subsequent paper where he claims that he proves that gun ownership does not deter home breakins.
  259. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    >>> as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don’t know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    quite the _de rigeur_ amongst Msulim Bangladeshi chicks as well, even little girls.

    There might be some internet claim that the dot has hindu-religious overtones, but it real life is does not.

    Many many many Pakistani females (ostensibly) hate India/Indians, but simultaneously – are addicted to Bollywood potboilers.

  260. @tbraton
    About 4 or 5 years ago, Sen. Diane Feinstein, when asked on a Sunday TV talk show whether it was time for the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan, responded "But what about the women? what about the girls?" Today's decision provides an answer to Feinstein's questions. She should be appointed general and put in charge of all-female--preferably Kosher---regiment and take it to the Taliban. Why should we be putting Christian men in harm's way to protect the Muslim women and Muslim girls in Afghanistan from the Muslim men in Afghanistan? Sounds like women's work to me---Jewish women's work, right Sen. Feinstein?

    BTW we should have pulled out of Afghanistan as quickly as we went in, just as Phil Giraldi was arguing for years on The American Conservative. Instead, under the direction of the numbnut George W. Bush and his successor, the numbnut Barack H. Obama, we have been bogged down in the longest war in U.S. history.

    We ignore homosexual pedaphilia, and shrug our shoulders and say it’s part of their culture, yet we discourage Christian missionaries and forbid evangelizing, yet force the. To have women pilots and cops, sounds like a George soros open society “paradise’

  261. @SPMoore8
    I have been doing some research, and cannot vouch for the accuracy of my sources, but the following article has three photos of Mrs. Terrorist and she appears to have been a Russian babe:

    http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88818/

    Curiouser and curiouser. Meanwhile, Walid Shoebat (at the above) insists that "Tafsheen Malik" was the name of a famous (male) Jihadist about 1,000 years ago.

    Again, at this stage, caveat emptor.

    The strange case of the faceless Jihadette. Investigations and revelations are likely to be interesting indeed.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Here's a "breaking" photo of Mrs. Terrorist, for what it's worth:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/syed-and-wife-malik-575x365.jpg

    I'm sure that answers a lot of questions.
  262. @WGG
    Figured out it was Muslim in our house through process of elimination during the ten hour racial blackout. Only blacks or Muslims would attack innocents as a group of multiple shooters. Whites, Asians and Mexicans would opt out and snitch on a crazy ringleader who proposed it. Conversely, only whites or Muslims would be sporting tactical gear. Hence, Muslims.

    Thought the same thing too. Noticed MSM kept saying ‘multiple shooters’ with no description of what they looked like. THAT told me all that I needed to know.

  263. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @TangoMan
    Predictors of firearm homicides comes from this paper. Here is a direct link to Table 3. Look at that table and then look at how ThinkProgress reported on the paper:

    The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.
     
    The 2nd graph is output from the CDC mortality database so you can slice and dice the data.

    I forgot to include the 3rd graph which comes from a UN report. Here's that graph. Check the difference between northern states and Canada's prairie provinces and territories. Ask liberals to explain that in light of differing gun legislation between Canada and the US.

    http://i.imgur.com/jaBz4Po.jpg

    If you read that that article they seem to completely ignore the correlation between black proportion of the population and increases in gun homicide, which seems dishonest.

    What is your take?

    The lead author seems to have a subsequent paper where he claims that he proves that gun ownership does not deter home breakins.

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    Yes, that's exactly what they did. The single best predictor of homicide is proportion of the population which is black, by far, and they focus on gun ownership levels. They're hacks.
  264. @Dennis Dale
    Watching it unfold with the liberal outlets who had thrown in too soon with the "white males" trope and then becoming more nervous as the passage of time made that less and less likely (timed elapsed w/o confirmation of white-dudeness being inversely proportionate to its probability, as Ann Coulter tweeted), I couldn't help but be reminded of Walter Cronkite losing it on air when facts of JFK assassination were coming in too slowly.

    You’re thinking of Frank Reynolds on ABC during the live coverage of the Reagan shooting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9nVmQOlRU#t=4m07s

    I can’t find the clip on YouTube, but Reynolds also freaked out when he learned that James Brady was still alive, some time after his death had been reported. He growled, “Let’s get it nailed down … let’s find out!” His bosses took him off the air not long after that.

    Cronkite teared up when he got the official word that Kennedy was dead, but he did not “lose it,” per se.

  265. @TheJester
    Muslims cannot integrate into Western Germanic (a.k.a. northern European) society ... period. There is too much of a gap in religious and social beliefs and values. The new Muslim communities in Europe and North America will remain insular and separated from society at large. If the immigration continues, the animosities and inconsistencies between Islam and Western culture will eventually reach a critical mass and precipitate civil strife and civil war in the Western countries.

    My religious evidence? The Koran. My experience? Two decades of working and living in the Middle East in the military and as a contractor.

    Islam does not distinguish between church and state ... hence, the widespread Muslim belief (even in the West) that apostates should be executed for religious and political treason. Muslim societies have been described as societies of "married monks". There is truth to that. Just as Benedictine monks live by the Rule of St. Benedict, Muslims live by what they believe is the Rule of God (the Koran). If there is a question about religious or social issues, you refer to the Rule. Muslim religious, social, and political beliefs are completely antithetical to Western democracy and the rational traditions we inherited from the Greeks and Romans.

    Since Moslem societies are family, clan, and tribal based, they have a weak concept of the nation state and majority rule. As a result, on the model of the first Caliphates, they tend to be ruled by strong men who keeps the peace by force of arms. Peter Frost correctly describes these as "clan-based, balance-of-terror " societies. The need to maintain social and political peace through the threat of terror is real. (Sounds like everything we know about the Middle East, right?) The strong men get their legitimacy from religious councils of imans who judge that they rule the social and political order in accordance with the Koran. To conquer a neighboring state and imposed the Koran on the religious, social, and political order with the "sword" is to spread the Kindgom of God on earth.

    Through two decades of experience, most of the young Moslem men I knew in the Middle East went through a stage of "testing the waters" with Western culture. However, by the time they were in their 30s, they seemed to suffer anomie -- an identify crisis -- and harden themselves in their Moslem faith. They became Muslim evangelists; they devoted the rest of their lives to jihad. Many of the young Moslem men I knew who spent their time in the West gambling, drinking, and whoring had became muṭawwi by their 30s ... Muslim religious police enforcing Islamic social standards on the rest of the community. (These same mutawwi are now walking the streets in some neighborhoods in the UK and France.)

    The Islamic view of women and human relationships is 180-degrees from the West. They believe that women (rather than men) have uncontrollable sexual desire and therefore must be restrained under lock and key and hidden from the public ... hence, the hijab, to the chador, to the burqa. There is no such thing as dating. Women are bought and sold among families and clans in the pursuit of business and political alliances.

    CONCLUSIONS

    1. A Muslim living and trying to integrate into Western society cannot help but eventually suffer anomie, defined as a breakdown of social norms and values. Islam and the West are that different. (Yes, having one foot in the 21st Century and one foot in the 7th Century can drive a young person crazy.) They must, it seems, eventually choose to be Muslim or Western. They cannot be both. Hence, iSteve is correct that it is the descendants of Muslim immigrants who are the greatest threat to Western societies. It should also be no surprise that young Muslim men and women are streaming by the thousands from the West and neighboring Islamic states to join ISIS' war on the West . Eventually, we will see the violence spread en masse to the West ... perhaps sooner than we think.

    2. Muslims (as believing Moslems) can never integrate into Western society. Their religion prevents it. Their religion requires them to war against unbelief and unbelievers, and the West and its culture represents everything that Islam considers sinful. Hence, they must continually work to keep local Islamic communities in the West hermetically isolated and Islamic as they try, as a religious duty, to Islamisize Western society and its religious and political culture.

    May I congratulate you on an excellent post. You are completely correct. Your 21st – 7th century analogy is dead-0n. The trouble is; there is no way to reform Islam without also dissolving it. The situation is similar to communism in the late 1980’s in ex-USSR and eastern Europe.

  266. @Daniel Williams

    Islam, religion of peace; shooter and wife were Muslims but most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant
     
    Reminds me of a gag I read at Chateau Heartiste the other day: until every Muslim on earth has participated in a terror attack, people will still say "they're not all like that."

    “most Muslims are not killers so it is irrelevant.”. Most Germans were not Nazis, but all Nazis were Germans.

  267. @The most deplorable one

    If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.
     
    As is evidenced by the rate at which the people buy guns after every one of these massacres, mostly by non-whites as it turns out, the people clearly don't want less guns.

    …the people clearly don’t want less guns.

    Or fewer guns, either. Where did this troll go to school?

  268. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    What if right after 9/11 the USA had moved to end all Muslim and/or all immigration period, and enforced its borders seriously, INSTEAD of invading Iraq? Would America be better off and safer today? Instead of invading the world/inviting the world, the USA had done neither. No fighting Muslims in Iraq and no letting in of the bomb/brothers, etc. No thousands of dead and injured American servicemen from the Iraq war and the Muslim population in the USA today would probably be less then half of what it currently is.

    • Replies: @epebble
    Since you seem to enjoy thought experiments, how about this: No 1990-91 Gulf war (not a single American's hair was touched, by Saddam's action against Kuwait) = no 9/11. Rendering all your thinking unneeded. How about that! BTW, your suggestions have serious Constitutional weaknesses; not going to Kuwait has zero Constitutional problems. If wishes were horses ....
  269. @Bliss

    Asians are vastly over-represented.
     
    And at least half of the asian-american mass murderers are koreans. And since koreans are only ~10% of asian-americans that means they are by far the most likely american ethnicity to go on a shooting rampage.

    Yeah. They’re a little crazy. But you don’t need shootings stats to know that. Sometimes great, but always slightly crazy.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Street Boxing in S. Korea:

    "The guy wearing white gloves is an ex-professional boxer, he gets paid to get beat by regular citizens on the street in Korea. For some reason that tourist got overconfident. He tells the boxer to punch back as well so the boxer suggests that he will only use left hand against the challenger..."
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj3pTEx_3Zo
  270. @jackson
    Mother Jones has a spreadsheet of mass shooters since 1982.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    I notice that spreadsheet has everything including the latitude and longitude of the shootings… everything except the name, ethnicity, religion, or immigration status of the shooter…

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Doh! My bad: they do have the names...
  271. @Chrisnonymous
    I notice that spreadsheet has everything including the latitude and longitude of the shootings... everything except the name, ethnicity, religion, or immigration status of the shooter...

    Doh! My bad: they do have the names…

  272. @TangoMan
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is “possible” and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is “impossible”. This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Border enforcement is one of the primary purposes of government. Your constitutional rights are not up for a popular vote. This is pretty simple stuff. What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?

    “What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?”

    I am not sure why you are asking; but purely as a theoretical proposition, If a Constitutional Amendment can be passed, that would be possible! The 14th Amendment etc., were all Amendments after all; that means, in theory, they can be rolled back. Incidentally, If a Constitutional Amendment like that passes, POTUS and SCOTUS would have to enforce/uphold that. Yes, Dred Scott, Jim Crow can all be reinstated with Amendments! Brown can be reversed too. Entire 1964 Civil Rights Act can be struck off with an Amendment.

    I am surprised that in this thread on Second Amendment, nobody mentioned that it is a Constitutional Amendment and hence can only be rolled back with a Constitutional Amendment (and no other way, at least legally).

  273. @DCThrowback
    "Cool AK-47, Farooq. Want to bring it by the White House?"

    “You didn’t build that!”

  274. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    I can’t find a picture of his wife Tashfeen Malik. The picture you posted looks like a Western woman dressed up in Indian garb. The killer claimed to be a modern devout Muslim and was looking for a devout Muslim wife, so highly doubt she would be weaing a saree and especially a dot on the forehead.

  275. @AndrewR
    Mother Jones is about as trustworthy as Soviet-era Pravda

    I salute your generous assessment of Mother Jones’ trustworthiness in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Surely you are suffused with the Christmas spirit of unbounded charity.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  276. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    It appears that the picture is of the shooter’s brother, Raheel. The woman accompanying him is Raheel’s wife Tatiana, who was born in Russia.

  277. @The Z Blog
    I hate to be a downer, but as far as the managerial elite is concerned, this just validates their push to import more Muslims. They look at this as an example of anti-Muslim hatred in America driving an otherwise sensible person to madness. The solution is to increase the importation of Muslims.

    The only hope you have is that the Muzzies start shooting up places like Harvard and Federal facilities. Even then I doubt that the people in charge change course. We're an country run by the truest of true believers, both parties, and like the Muslim suicide bomber, they will die rather than abandon the faith.

    America has been taken over by a suicide cult.

    We need significant levels of deportation to solve this problem. Probably 10,000 of the elite should suffice.

  278. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    I thought that the woman was ostensibly from Qatar. Of course, that doesn’t mean she’s necessarily a Qatari. But the woman in that picture doesn’t look south asian at all – she looks western.

  279. @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    Your contempt for veterans is duly noted. Semiautomatic pistols have been around for over a century; even revolvers are semiautomatic in a purely mechanical way.

    Again, the laws in Europe are variable but they do allow for for handguns and semiautomatic rifles for those qualified.

    You seem to think that rate of fire is determinative in these shootings. I think you are wrong. With practice determination and clipped ammo you can get very respectable rates of fire with bolt action and revolvers.

    Like I said, good luck passing the laws and good luck enforcing them.

    • Replies: @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?
  280. @Anon
    What if right after 9/11 the USA had moved to end all Muslim and/or all immigration period, and enforced its borders seriously, INSTEAD of invading Iraq? Would America be better off and safer today? Instead of invading the world/inviting the world, the USA had done neither. No fighting Muslims in Iraq and no letting in of the bomb/brothers, etc. No thousands of dead and injured American servicemen from the Iraq war and the Muslim population in the USA today would probably be less then half of what it currently is.

    Since you seem to enjoy thought experiments, how about this: No 1990-91 Gulf war (not a single American’s hair was touched, by Saddam’s action against Kuwait) = no 9/11. Rendering all your thinking unneeded. How about that! BTW, your suggestions have serious Constitutional weaknesses; not going to Kuwait has zero Constitutional problems. If wishes were horses ….

    • Replies: @Anon
    I opposed the 1990-91 Gulf war sport. And avoiding it might have POSSIBLY prevented 9/11 (or perhaps not). In any case, stopping immigration in general and from all Muslim places in particular would certainly have prevented it. All of the 9/11 attackers were "immigrants" or "visa - over-stayers" in Washington-speak. Muslims from overseas can not kill Americans in America, IF we do not allow then to come to, or be in, America. Physical impossibility. In 2002 Al-Qaeda was reported to want to launch attacks at the world soccer cup tournament in Japan, but they couldn't because of a lack of a "supporting environment". I.E. virtually zero Arabs or Muslims living there.
  281. @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    There’s a powerfully valid reason not to try, think of it this way, there exist in society a whole bunch of sexless nerds who’ve never experienced the touch of a woman. We all hold dear the principle that sex slavery should not be forced on anyone. But think of the nerds, think of how much better life would be for them if they could have sex with women! So here’s what we do, we just chip away a little at women’s sexual sovereignty because, really, what could go wrong?

    Once you sacrifice a principle or a right, then all future Leftist movement only works at chipping away even more on the freedom you have left. Rinse and repeat.

    The 1965 Immigration Reform Bill:

    “I would say for the Asia-Pacific Triangle it [immigration] would be approximately 5,000, Mr. Chairman, after which immigration from that source would virtually disappear; 5,000 immigrants would come the first year, but we do not expect that there would be any great influx after that.” (U.S. Congress, House, 1964 hearings, p. 418.)

    And of course, Teddy Kennedy:

    “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset … Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia … In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.” . . . .

    “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)

    And Secretary Rusk:

    “The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years … I don’t think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States … There is not a general move toward the United States.” (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington D.C., Feb. 10, 1965, p.65.)

    [Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk’s predicted level. From 1965 through 1993, immigration from India totaled 558,980.]

    And Hubert Humphrey from the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

    It the Senator can find in Title VII … any language which provides that an employer will have to hire on the basis of percentage or quota related to color, race, religion, or national origin, I will start eating the pages one after another, because it is not in there.

    And here Eugene Volokh noting the same tactic being used with regards to homosexual marriage:

    Consider how the decision relies on the enactment of past gay rights laws. The backers of such laws often argue that these laws do not create a slippery slope towards same-sex marriage or civil unions. Thus, for instance, an editorial in the Boston Globe, Oct. 15, 1989, at A30, said “[A proposed antidiscrimination law barring sexual orientation discrimination in credit, employment, insurance, public accommodation and housing] does not legalize ‘gay marriage’ or confer any right on homosexual, lesbian or unmarried heterosexual couples to ‘domestic benefits.’ Nor does passage of the bill put Massachusetts on a ‘slippery slope’ toward such rights.” See also Phil Pitchford, Council Members Wary of Partner Registry, Riverside Press-Enterprise, Apr. 30, 1994, at B1, quoting Riverside Human Relations Commission member Kay Smith as saying that “[t]hose that truly have a problem with homosexuality will see [a domestic partnership proposal] as part of the ‘slippery slope’ [toward gay marriages] . . . . But, this legislation needs to be looked at on the face value of what it is, and it really does very little.” And see the Editorial, A Vote Against Hate, Louisville Courier-J., Feb. 3, 1994, at 6A, rejecting as “arrant nonsense” the claim that a hate crime law “would lead to acceptance of gay marriages.”

    Frankly, I’m not understanding why you find the following so difficult to comprehend – “My rights are not negotiable.”

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years … I don’t think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States...[Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk's predicted level]"

    One thing you should notice time and again is how many leftist programs come with no numerical ceilings, whether it's cost (welfare spending, etc.) or number of immigrants. They may make promises out the wazoo about how "this program will never cost tens of billions of dollars" or "this amnesty will only apply to a million people" or "this civil rights bill will never lead to racial quotas," but those limits and other promises are never included in the actual legislation. Excluding promises they make from their legislation is the first and most definitive sign that they are lying through their teeth.

  282. @The most deplorable one
    If you read that that article they seem to completely ignore the correlation between black proportion of the population and increases in gun homicide, which seems dishonest.

    What is your take?

    The lead author seems to have a subsequent paper where he claims that he proves that gun ownership does not deter home breakins.

    Yes, that’s exactly what they did. The single best predictor of homicide is proportion of the population which is black, by far, and they focus on gun ownership levels. They’re hacks.

  283. @Karl
    >> Coulter is sounding like an ‘Aryanist’


    looking at the pictures of Hitler-youth female picture models from the late 1930's...... you can have your Aryan chicks.

    Tastes vary, I suppose.


    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?

    Thailand/Philippines/Vietnam are ===crawling=== with white guys who want to wife up a local girl. Where ===is=== the long line of Thai guys who want a Euro wife?

    Where is the long line of European women who want a Thai husband? If European women were suddenly overcome with desire to marry a 5’5″ guy who resembles Ferdinand Marcos, I’m sure we’d see those mixed marriages very shortly.

  284. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Any discussion with a leftist must begin with your endorsement of the greatest of all crimes against humanity – communism.

    You are a child of Marx and Marx’s explicit advocacy of terrorism. Your fellow-travelling implementers murdered at least 100 million in the 20th century and continue to tyrannize, torture and murder even now.

    The Islamists will have to work very hard to meet the standard you and yours have set for evil. You have shown them the way, all they have to do is follow your lead.

    The reason we will not, and cannot, relinquish our guns, is because doing so will ensure that you will visit your reign of terror upon us, just as you did on the French, the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Cubans, et alia.

    You are a plague on humanity. A plague that is worse than the mindless black death, because you are the consequence of intelligence turned to stupidity.

  285. @Art
    Clearly, Obama passing this incident off as a pure GUNS problem is lie.

    And clearly Republicans passing this off as a pure Muslim religious problem is a lie.

    The problem is us – how many Muslims can we kill without retribution from them?

    Once again we see that our immoral support of Zionist Israel is getting Americans killed.

    We are following Jewish Israel into an all out war with 1,500,000,000 people – this is crazy!

    Once again we see that our immoral support of Zionist Israel is getting Americans killed.

    We are following Jewish Israel into an all out war with 1,500,000,000 people – this is crazy!

    Yep, that’s it. That explains why the muslims just shot up Paris–the French are well known for being Zionist pawns. And why muslims are in conflict with with Indian Hindus, with Timorese Catholics, with Thai Buddhists, with Filipino Catholics, with Nigerian Christians, and raping Swedish women and British school girls … Zionists all!

  286. @Perspective
    I'm not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw "three white men with guns". I think that news clip spread rapidly and left people with impression that the gunmen were white.

    I’m not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw “three white men with guns”.

    Maybe “white” was being used the way the Census Bureau does, i.e., by including people originating from the ME or North Africa (meaning Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Iran, Morocco, Kuwait, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, UAE, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Oman, and Bahrain)?

    • Replies: @Discard
    Mexicans set a pretty low bar for being White. I used to teach Mexican kids, and they called me blond. No White would ever call me blond.
  287. @Spmoore8
    Your contempt for veterans is duly noted. Semiautomatic pistols have been around for over a century; even revolvers are semiautomatic in a purely mechanical way.

    Again, the laws in Europe are variable but they do allow for for handguns and semiautomatic rifles for those qualified.

    You seem to think that rate of fire is determinative in these shootings. I think you are wrong. With practice determination and clipped ammo you can get very respectable rates of fire with bolt action and revolvers.

    Like I said, good luck passing the laws and good luck enforcing them.

    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we’re dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Please tell us your definition of civilized.

    Also, where do you rate Switzerland?

    Also, have you seen this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    Countries like Germany etc are listed has having 30 guns per 100 residents.

    They are far from unarmed and you are far from informed.

    , @Discard
    We're last because we have 35 million Blacks. Over half the homicides in this country are committed by Blacks, and Mexicans are good for another fourth.
    , @reiner Tor
    The US has by far the highest rate of non-Asian minorities (NAMs), who happen to murder a lot.
    , @Wilkey
    "Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we’re dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?"

    America is a rich country because we have large numbers of the types of people create wealth. It's a violent country because we have large numbers of the types of people who create violence. America is one of the few countries in the world where you have both groups living side-by-side.

    Leftists like to compare America to other rich countries based on the amount of violence we have. Perhaps instead they should be looking at how rich we are compared to other violent countries.

    Of course Leftists have zero desire to talk about why we're more violent than other rich countries, other than to talk about gun control.

    When you use the word "civilized" countries what you basically mean is white and East Asian. The word "civilized" is a way to exclude non-white countries from your comparisons without mentioning race. About 30% of America's population is now Hispanic and black. In their own countries those two groups have the highest murder rates in the world.

    South Africa is a civilized country - at least it used to be. It's homicide rate is 6x that of the United States.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we’re dead last?"

    Black people and latinos

    "What precisely does that give us , as a people?"

    Guns, you mean? Protection from black people and latinos.
  288. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that’s probably why Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours.

    You seem bound and determined to ignore the information in the study reported by Tangoman.

    A large part of the reason that Germany has a much lower gun death rate that the US is that Germany has a much lower black proportion of its population.

  289. @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that’s probably why Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours.

    And what’s the gun death rate from German Americans?

    Or more reasonably–since there’s a “substitution effect”–the homicide rate for Germans vs. German Americans?

    Seriously all these tedious leftist “they do it better in Europe” comparisons. We don’t have the demographics of Europe. (Though they are under leftist insanity doing their best to close the “vibrancy” gap.)

    ~~~
    But there’s a simply solution to make both of us happy — separation. Let’s split!

    You can have your leftist republic–open borders, diversity, multi-culturalism, high taxes, and an enormous state, that enforces a gun ban. (It sounds like hell to me.)

    I’ll take white people and live with their guns. We’ll see which is a nicer place to live.

    BTW, Switzerland is generally regarded as part of “continental Europe”. All the males are supposed to be trained as part of the militia and have to keep their gun–generally an automatic weapon at home. Wikipedia indicates they no longer issued ammo to keep at home–though they can buy their own for compatible weapons if they have them–since 2007, probably in preparation for Schengen. And they have a liberal policy for keeping the weapons–converted to semi-auto, i.e. what you’d call “an assault rifle”–when militia duty completes. In any case, the point is they aren’t running around shooting up the joint … because they are Swiss.

    • Agree: TangoMan
  290. @SPMoore8
    Here's a photo of the guy and his bride:

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-03-at-2.06.22-AM.png

    from this site.

    Yes, they appear to be Indians who are Muslims, i.e., Pakistanis (Urdu is basically the same language as Hindi only written in Arabic script; of course there are many vocabulary differences that have accrued over the last thousand years.)

    Interesting that they look fairly Indian and the wife looks high caste, in fact almost European. Note also sari, the jewel or diadem hanging from her brow as well as the dot between her eyebrows. I don't know enough about the blending of Hindi and Islam to comment further.

    It’s possible that what appears to be a forehead dot is part of the head jewellery.

  291. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    Please tell us your definition of civilized.

    Also, where do you rate Switzerland?

    Also, have you seen this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    Countries like Germany etc are listed has having 30 guns per 100 residents.

    They are far from unarmed and you are far from informed.

  292. @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, it’s about political power. Is there an amendment recognizing the right to own plows or axes, or any other tools? The guns referred to are for shooting tyrants and their agents.

    And it is about an individual right to own guns. Did you imagine that, unlike everything else in the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment guarantees the rights of state governments?

  293. @anonn
    The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person's right to their own machine gun. The gun lobby has has spent billions getting you to ignore the bulk of the wording of that very short amendment, its historical context and purpose, and judicial precedent.

    What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?
     
    The 13th Amendment definitively abolishes slavery, so not without its repeal.

    Why does the 2nd Amendment, unlike the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights, not refer to the rights of individual citizens? What else is meant by “…the right of the people…”? The militia, as stated by the authors of the Constitution, IS the people. Do you really think that the voters who approved the Constitution were voting to allow governments to outlaw firearms?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The 2nd Amendment isn't really about gun control -- controlling guns was never an issue at the Constitutional Convention. It's about the states being allowed to have their own armies -- as long as they are well-regulated militias -- to keep from being oppressed by the national army.
  294. @jackson

    I’m not entirely sure, but on the news here in Canada they interviewed a witness, a Hispanic man IIRC, who said he saw “three white men with guns”.
     
    Maybe "white" was being used the way the Census Bureau does, i.e., by including people originating from the ME or North Africa (meaning Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Iran, Morocco, Kuwait, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, UAE, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Oman, and Bahrain)?

    Mexicans set a pretty low bar for being White. I used to teach Mexican kids, and they called me blond. No White would ever call me blond.

    • Replies: @Harold
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36m-2TPwck

    It has been discussed here before how the criteria for being called blond varies from place to place depending upon the prevalence of lighter hair.

    Apropos of nothing: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is an interesting movie in that, if I remember correctly, it tells the ugly’s story more than anyone else’s—we even learn his backstory—yet the good seems, somehow, to be the main character, at least to me (of course it helps that it’s Clint Eastwood). It’s been a long time since I watched it, though.
  295. @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    We’re last because we have 35 million Blacks. Over half the homicides in this country are committed by Blacks, and Mexicans are good for another fourth.

  296. @anonn
    OK, well if we're going to add nuance to the discussion then I will elaborate. If most gun deaths can be eliminated by going after the low-hanging fruit of assault rifles and handguns first, broadly similar to Canadian, Australian, and continental European practice, then by all means do that. I am aware that gun lovers think the distinction between assault rifles and, say, shotguns or bolt-action rifles (for duck hunting, deer hunting, etc.) is problematic. I've heard that argument many times and don't find it convincing. It is not hard to craft a regulatory regime that would allow weapons whose primary uses are hunting for sport and doesn't allow weapons whose primary uses are killing large amounts of people.

    Such a nuanced ban would not be 100% effective, but that's probably why Germany's gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That's no excuse to not try.

    There are still a couple of other problems. The first is that, if you were a veteran, you would know that many veterans want to have a weapon at least “something like” what they had in the service. Hence the popularity of the AR-15 in its many variants (an “assault rifle”)
     
    I don't care. Not one bit. Veterans don't get special rights and I like it that way. Further, I don't want my country to resemble Fallujah even if a handful of veterans differ. The point for me is that wide private ownership of guns, particularly the semi-automatic assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols we keep seeing in these massacres, is not worth whatever benefit you imagine it's bestowing on us.

    As to your third problem, I don't see the dissonance as necessary. While I view the police as the implacable enemy of the people and advocate for their disarmament and disestablishment, this is a bit of an outlier position. The mainstream left position is that they should do their jobs better, and also that we should maybe get rid of the 5-10% of cops that are causing most of the problems.

    Germany’s gun death rate is only 1/10 as high as ours. And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    If you’re bound and determined to institute a ban because you want to lower the death rate, then why not institute a blanket ban on blacks and Hispanics and prohibit them, by law, from owning firearms? Clearly you’re not the least concerned about civil rights, so if you object to such a measure why not inform us about WHY you would object to such a sensible proposal?

  297. @Discard
    Why does the 2nd Amendment, unlike the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights, not refer to the rights of individual citizens? What else is meant by "…the right of the people…"? The militia, as stated by the authors of the Constitution, IS the people. Do you really think that the voters who approved the Constitution were voting to allow governments to outlaw firearms?

    The 2nd Amendment isn’t really about gun control — controlling guns was never an issue at the Constitutional Convention. It’s about the states being allowed to have their own armies — as long as they are well-regulated militias — to keep from being oppressed by the national army.

    • Replies: @Discard
    It says "…the right of the people…", not "...the right of the states…". In the Federalist number 47 or 48 or thereabouts, it says that the militia is the people.

    "Well regulated" is an archaic phrase more akin to "properly equipped and organized" than to what we would call state regulation. For example, the Minutemen were not organized or regulated by the colonial government of Massachusetts. What made them well-regulated was that they had designated leaders, that they regularly met for drill, and that they all had approximately the same equipment. They were not an ad hoc armed mob.
  298. @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    The US has by far the highest rate of non-Asian minorities (NAMs), who happen to murder a lot.

  299. @Discard
    Mexicans set a pretty low bar for being White. I used to teach Mexican kids, and they called me blond. No White would ever call me blond.

    It has been discussed here before how the criteria for being called blond varies from place to place depending upon the prevalence of lighter hair.

    Apropos of nothing: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is an interesting movie in that, if I remember correctly, it tells the ugly’s story more than anyone else’s—we even learn his backstory—yet the good seems, somehow, to be the main character, at least to me (of course it helps that it’s Clint Eastwood). It’s been a long time since I watched it, though.

  300. @tbraton
    I don't if anyone has posted this earlier, but this characterization of the San Bernardino shootings happened to catch my eye: "a kind of hybrid workplace jihad."

    According to Brian Ross of ABC News on Good Morning America this morning:

    "BRIAN ROSS: Well it appears to be a kind of hybrid workplace jihad. He targeted his coworkers, but he also recently raveled to Saudi Arabia. On his website [a dating profile] he appears to be an all-American boy, he enjoyed snowboarding, working on cars, and guns , he was very comfortable with the gun culture."

    Now that's what I call inventive reporting.

    “Hybrid workplace jihad” is up there with “white Hispanic.”

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "“Hybrid workplace jihad” is up there with “white Hispanic.” "

    Almost, but not quite. "HWJ" has three words, while "WH" has only two. Now, if you were to label George Zimmerman as a "white Germanic Hispanic," I'd say you were right, but that would leave too many people scratching their heads wondering what in the Hell you were trying to say. Or you could say "white Hispanic with the German name," and that would put on top.
  301. @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. They're a little crazy. But you don't need shootings stats to know that. Sometimes great, but always slightly crazy.

    Street Boxing in S. Korea:

    “The guy wearing white gloves is an ex-professional boxer, he gets paid to get beat by regular citizens on the street in Korea. For some reason that tourist got overconfident. He tells the boxer to punch back as well so the boxer suggests that he will only use left hand against the challenger…”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    P.J. O'Rourke's observation of certain similarities between Koreans and Northern Irishmen comes to mind.
  302. @Anonymous
    Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?

    “Funny you cover this shooting but not the Dylann Roof one. I wonder why that would be?”

    Same way the gaystream media chooses to ignore certain stories when they don’t fit The Narrative.

    It’s hilarious when Steve does the same thing, droll beyond droll.

  303. @The most deplorable one
    Sure, but the cost of terminating his pension plan was high, and might have far exceeded the expected cost of his pension plan, given that CA will likely be bankrupt when he would have retired.

    See, and that’s the difference between you and me: you’re making a rational point, I was just engaging in some morbid humor.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Chill out man. I did appreciate your humor.
  304. @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    “Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we’re dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?”

    America is a rich country because we have large numbers of the types of people create wealth. It’s a violent country because we have large numbers of the types of people who create violence. America is one of the few countries in the world where you have both groups living side-by-side.

    Leftists like to compare America to other rich countries based on the amount of violence we have. Perhaps instead they should be looking at how rich we are compared to other violent countries.

    Of course Leftists have zero desire to talk about why we’re more violent than other rich countries, other than to talk about gun control.

    When you use the word “civilized” countries what you basically mean is white and East Asian. The word “civilized” is a way to exclude non-white countries from your comparisons without mentioning race. About 30% of America’s population is now Hispanic and black. In their own countries those two groups have the highest murder rates in the world.

    South Africa is a civilized country – at least it used to be. It’s homicide rate is 6x that of the United States.

  305. @jackson

    Do they have a spreadsheet of Team-Perpetrated mass shootings? Using global stats? I bet Muslims really shine on that score.
     
    Some thoughtful soul was kind enough to present the Mother Jones data in a digestable form, and even broke out Arab participation.

    http://i.imgur.com/hNz2gpI.png

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

    Vertical scale – what do these numbers mean: 2, 4, 6… ?

  306. @Hibernian
    "Hybrid workplace jihad" is up there with "white Hispanic."

    ““Hybrid workplace jihad” is up there with “white Hispanic.” ”

    Almost, but not quite. “HWJ” has three words, while “WH” has only two. Now, if you were to label George Zimmerman as a “white Germanic Hispanic,” I’d say you were right, but that would leave too many people scratching their heads wondering what in the Hell you were trying to say. Or you could say “white Hispanic with the German name,” and that would put on top.

  307. @TangoMan
    And of course no ban would ever be 100% effective anyway. That’s no excuse to not try.

    There's a powerfully valid reason not to try, think of it this way, there exist in society a whole bunch of sexless nerds who've never experienced the touch of a woman. We all hold dear the principle that sex slavery should not be forced on anyone. But think of the nerds, think of how much better life would be for them if they could have sex with women! So here's what we do, we just chip away a little at women's sexual sovereignty because, really, what could go wrong?

    Once you sacrifice a principle or a right, then all future Leftist movement only works at chipping away even more on the freedom you have left. Rinse and repeat.

    The 1965 Immigration Reform Bill:


    "I would say for the Asia-Pacific Triangle it [immigration] would be approximately 5,000, Mr. Chairman, after which immigration from that source would virtually disappear; 5,000 immigrants would come the first year, but we do not expect that there would be any great influx after that." (U.S. Congress, House, 1964 hearings, p. 418.)
     
    And of course, Teddy Kennedy:

    "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." . . . .

    "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)
     

    And Secretary Rusk:

    "The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years ... I don't think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States ... There is not a general move toward the United States." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington D.C., Feb. 10, 1965, p.65.)

    [Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk's predicted level. From 1965 through 1993, immigration from India totaled 558,980.]
     

    And Hubert Humphrey from the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

    It the Senator can find in Title VII … any language which provides that an employer will have to hire on the basis of percentage or quota related to color, race, religion, or national origin, I will start eating the pages one after another, because it is not in there.
     
    And here Eugene Volokh noting the same tactic being used with regards to homosexual marriage:

    Consider how the decision relies on the enactment of past gay rights laws. The backers of such laws often argue that these laws do not create a slippery slope towards same-sex marriage or civil unions. Thus, for instance, an editorial in the Boston Globe, Oct. 15, 1989, at A30, said "[A proposed antidiscrimination law barring sexual orientation discrimination in credit, employment, insurance, public accommodation and housing] does not legalize 'gay marriage' or confer any right on homosexual, lesbian or unmarried heterosexual couples to 'domestic benefits.' Nor does passage of the bill put Massachusetts on a 'slippery slope' toward such rights." See also Phil Pitchford, Council Members Wary of Partner Registry, Riverside Press-Enterprise, Apr. 30, 1994, at B1, quoting Riverside Human Relations Commission member Kay Smith as saying that "[t]hose that truly have a problem with homosexuality will see [a domestic partnership proposal] as part of the 'slippery slope' [toward gay marriages] . . . . But, this legislation needs to be looked at on the face value of what it is, and it really does very little." And see the Editorial, A Vote Against Hate, Louisville Courier-J., Feb. 3, 1994, at 6A, rejecting as "arrant nonsense" the claim that a hate crime law "would lead to acceptance of gay marriages."
     
    Frankly, I'm not understanding why you find the following so difficult to comprehend - "My rights are not negotiable."

    “The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years … I don’t think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States…[Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk’s predicted level]”

    One thing you should notice time and again is how many leftist programs come with no numerical ceilings, whether it’s cost (welfare spending, etc.) or number of immigrants. They may make promises out the wazoo about how “this program will never cost tens of billions of dollars” or “this amnesty will only apply to a million people” or “this civil rights bill will never lead to racial quotas,” but those limits and other promises are never included in the actual legislation. Excluding promises they make from their legislation is the first and most definitive sign that they are lying through their teeth.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    Jeff Sessions did something fairly interesting where he tried to put an absurdly high limit to an immigration bill, but even limiting it to I think it was 100M over 20 years was shot down 17 to 1. Revealed preferences verses stated preferences and all that.
  308. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Wilkey
    See, and that's the difference between you and me: you're making a rational point, I was just engaging in some morbid humor.

    Chill out man. I did appreciate your humor.

  309. @anonn
    The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person's right to their own machine gun. The gun lobby has has spent billions getting you to ignore the bulk of the wording of that very short amendment, its historical context and purpose, and judicial precedent.

    What if the majority of people voted to make blacks subject to slavery? Would the majority view carry the day?
     
    The 13th Amendment definitively abolishes slavery, so not without its repeal.

    “The 2nd amendment does not guarantee individual rights nor establish any person’s right to their own machine gun.”

    You are completely wrong. The 2nd amendment refers to “the people” just as does the 1st amendment and the 4th amendment. They are the same people. Or do you maintain that there is no individual right to free speech or freedom of religion or to be free from unreasonable search and seizure?

  310. @Anonnn
    Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we're dead last? What precisely does that give us , as a people?

    “Why is it that if you list civilized countries by death rate from guns, we’re dead last?”

    Black people and latinos

    “What precisely does that give us , as a people?”

    Guns, you mean? Protection from black people and latinos.

  311. @G Pinfold
    The strange case of the faceless Jihadette. Investigations and revelations are likely to be interesting indeed.

    Here’s a “breaking” photo of Mrs. Terrorist, for what it’s worth:

    I’m sure that answers a lot of questions.

  312. @Abe
    More effective as a cartoon, but don't have time to draw...

    Conservative: "Phew! It was a Muslim. Maybe liberals won't talk about banning assault rifles for the next 3 months."
    Liberal: "Phew! He used an assault rifle. Maybe conservatives won't talk about banning Muslims for the next 3 moths."

    Sane Person: how did he get hold of an Assault Rifle? It’s really difficult to get an automatic weapon.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Sane Person: how did he get hold of an Assault Rifle? It’s really difficult to get an automatic weapon."

    They were AR-15 variants. They aren't (fully) automatic; they are semi-automatic. And they are easy to buy, at least in any number of states besides California.
    , @Bill Jones
    I know what they are and they are not "Assault rifles".
  313. @greysquirrell
    Well now that we know the culprits are Muslims from the SubContinent , you just know the anti 2nd amendment crowd are a bit sad it wasn't White males.

    You know, ethnically similar/identical nations like Pakistan/India with Muslim/Non-Muslim background would provide an interesting set of case studies to compare/contrast Islam. I wonder how many Indian grooming gangs there are, and how many Indian mass shooters etc.?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. Another example would be Hindu Bali v. surrounding Indonesian Muslim islands. Tourists greatly prefer Bali. On the other hand, Greek tourist islands v. Turkish Riviera are pretty similar.
  314. @flyingtiger
    I won a five dollar bet that the shooters were moslem. It is time for us the ban Islam from our shores. Give them 30 days to leave. Those left behind will be separated by gender an put in labor camps until they die.
    It is a good thing I am a bleeding heart liberal. I hate to think what the conservatives have in mind.

    Check in with Loretta Lynch, will you?

  315. @disambiguated
    They planned this out - dropped off their baby with the husband's mother, falsely claiming they had a doctor's appointment. The kerfluffle at the Christmas Party (I thought those were unconstitutional on government property, these days?) was most likely a provocation to provide an excuse for them to leave and suit up (didn't want to leave the guns out in the car, wanted to ensure maximal number of potential victims were present).

    Yet again, nobody rushed the shooters while they reloaded (they weren't disciplined enough to maintain continuous fire by alternating their reload cycles), nobody tried to interfere by throwing objects, etc.

    The only shooting incident in recent memory where the attacker was foiled was the one on the train in France. It was US servicemen who subdued him.

    In addition to all the negative social effects of having a 'professional' military set apart from the citizenry (out of sight, out of mind; far easier to launch wars of choice), the end of conscription means that the vast majority of the citizenry have no conception at all of how to defend themselves.

    Going up unarmed against an active shooter is something that most people who haven't received the relevant training and conditioning simply haven't the intestinal fortitude to contemplate. All these 'active shooter' drills - like the ones which reportedly took place at the San Bernardino shooting site - are essentially 'cowering-in-place' exercises, and are as wrongheaded and harmful as pre-9/11 airline hijacking institutionalized submission and conciliation on the part of airline crews and passengers.

    And I will point out the obvious; if only one or two citizens in that facility had been armed (no security guards?), this massacre could've been cut short.

    I would think that anyone competent in a form of combat sport would be able to attack if the opportunity presented itself. The smart thing to do if there are multiple shooters though is generally to gtfo rather than wait around on the off-chance the shooters lack discipline to synchronize their reloading.

  316. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Despite Australia being an enlightened country with respect to gun laws, Muslims managed to shoot gay man seven times

    Perhaps if the gays were armed the ever so peaceful Muslims wouldn’t try to shoot them.

  317. @Reg Cæsar

    Surprisingly Asians are more than 2X as likely to be mass shooters than would be expected by their numbers, and Hispanics less than half as likely.

     

    The Asians are in an environment quite alien to them, and they crack. Hispanics are not.

    I think almost all the Asian offenders were born abroad. Asian-Americans most likely fall well below the dotted line.

    Maybe Asian includes South Asian.

  318. @JustAnotherGuyWitha1911
    Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph.

    Today, I was walking though the supermarket and I told the two Hispanic women babbling into their cell phones to, and, quoting myself, "STOP SPEAKING SPANISH. YOU'RE NOT IN MEXICO."


    I really, really did. And, frankly, if anyone wanted to make more of it I was ready to go.

    And here is the deal: YOU ARE ALL SO DAMN WEAK.

    Listen, I'm a TTT lawyer who, in fact, passed the bar whilst drunk of my ass. And, I get it. Watching that Traveler, Joyce, I understand that I am stronger, harder, that most people. Lord, I go to the mall with my 1911 just hoping I can go out in a pile of brass (CORBON, mother F*kers) and just to quip nonchalantly whilst my life bleeds outta me:

    THE SNACK BAR IS CLOSED.

    Yet, for all of the violence and double talk, none of you Istevers can do it. Well, Twinkie maybe, and that crazy Finnish chick, but, for the most part, sound and fury (millions of words of it.) It pisses me off - the Cathedrals, the Cars, the Catharsis.

    WE DID THAT.

    We

    Did

    That

    It is time to end this shit.

    Rustin Cohle found God.

    So should you.

    Oh mighty keyboard warrior, I bow down before your heroism.

  319. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    Either you’re not a leftist or you’re pretty dumb. Loretta Lynch says crticism of Islam is “bigoted hatred” and will be prosecuted. “Hatred,” as you recall, was the imputed motive for opposition to gay marriage and the reason the courts couldn’t allow the public to have what it voted for on that question. Given this premise, enunciated by a sacred black woman, how does the public get what it wants on immigration?

  320. The Mail has tons of details, as usual:

    Radicalized US Muslim was teased by colleagues about his Islamic beard and had clashed with Jewish co-worker over religion (bla bla bla)

    The family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook have claimed that he had been teased by colleagues about his long Islamic beard hours after it emerged that he had also clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion weeks before he and his wife killed 14 at a holiday party.

    While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear, lawyers for the Farook family said the gunman had been subject to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance.

    But they insisted that the health inspector had ‘brushed off’ the remarks and they remained at a loss to explain why he mercilessly gunned down 14 people and wounded 21, the majority his former co-workers, on Wednesday.

    I’ll clear up the “mystery.” The motive was Islam, of the radical variety (“extremist” is a bit misleading, given its connotations of rarity). The jihadi “brushed off” remarks about his jihadi beard because he had become radicalized; first thing radicals do is go all “you don’t talk about Fight Club” about whatever it is they’re radical about. While they were making remarks about his stupid-looking jihadi beard, he was thinking to himself, “I will give the appearance of brushing these remarks off, because soon I will be pumping round after round of .223 into your filthy, pork-filled kaffir body, dog.”

    Their comments came hours after it emerged that Farook had recently got into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of his victims.

    K, so, apparently our new-minted jihadi wasn’t very good at not talking about Fight Club.

    Colleague Kuuleme Stephen said that when she had called Thalasinos at work he told her he was having a heated discussion with Farook about Islam who had told him Islam was a peaceful religion and that Americans do not understand Islam.

    I suppose we all have a much better understanding of Islam’s peaceful nature now, Abdul. Thanks for the lesson.

    Again, it is unclear if the dispute played a part in the massacre.

    Of course it did. Living among kaffirs, who are free to insult Islam, Allah, and His Prophet is an intolerable state of affairs for Muslims.

    David Chesley, an attorney acting for Farook’s family,is questioning accounts of the shootings and whether information released by the police and FBI was accurate.

    To illustrate his point, he made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn’t take place as described in the official narrative.

    ‘There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,’ he said.

    ‘But it doesn’t seem plausible to us that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario.

    ‘There was a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not.

    ‘But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don’t know.’

    Asked if he doubted if the Dec 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, which claimed 26 lives, took place, Mr Chesley added: ‘There has been a lot speculation about it is all I would say.

    This is great stuff. Even the lawyers for Muslim fanatics are Konspiracy Kooks.

    President Barack Obama addressed the shooting from the Oval Office shortly before noon Eastern Time, saying it is possible the massacre in San Bernardino was related to terrorism, but it’s also possible it was workplace-related, or that the perpetrators had mixed motives.

    Of course, Hussein doesn’t mention the obvious: it’s Muslim-related violence.

    ‘We do know that the two individuals who were killed were equipped with weapons and appeared to have access to additional weaponry at their homes, but we don’t know why they did it; we do not know the extent of their plans and their motivations.’

    This is all to be expected: Hussein has stated publicly that he sides with Muslims against Americans. Which is why he’s using this massacre by Muslims as an excuse to justify disarming Americans and attacking the 2nd Amendment.

    • Replies: @Art
    More from the Mail article.

    Colleague Kuuleme Stephen said that when she had called Thalasinos at work he told her he was having a heated discussion with Farook about Islam who had told him Islam was a peaceful religion and that Americans do not understand Islam.

    Thalasinos was known to be passionate about pro-Israel causes and regularly ranted about Islam on Facebook.

    On September 11th, 2013, alongside a photo of a shirtless victim plummeting to his death from the burning World Trade Center, Mr Thalasinos posted: 'On behalf of this guy… You can stick your Million Muslim March up your asses'.
     
    A Jew brought on this killing spree – end of story.

    Will this ever make it on the Jew controlled MSM?
    , @ben tillman

    The family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook have claimed that he had been teased by colleagues about his long Islamic beard hours after it emerged that he had also clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion weeks before he and his wife killed 14 at a holiday party.
     
    What atrocious writing! No editor with an IQ over 108 could let that sentence go to print.
  321. @anonn

    The thing about the Lefty/Prog opposition to guns is that they really don’t know what they want, except they want all guns to disappear, except those wielded by cops. So, that’s the first cognitive dissonance.
     
    Nice straw man you have going there. I suspect you've never spoken with a "lefty" on this. As an actual American leftist, what many of us want is to try what works for every almost every other wealthy industrialized country, the abolition of private ownership of guns. You might not like that, and I suspect you don't. You might feel that the trade-off of enduring increasingly frequent massacres is worth it "because freedom!".
    However, please explain why you disagree that enforcing national borders and reducing immigration is "possible" and enforcing gun regulations and reducing gun ownership is "impossible". This is still a republic, and I say if the people want less immigration, the government should give it to them. If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.

    “If the people want less guns, the government should give it to them.” – I’m more than willing to get rid of incorporation, and let states decide for themselves what their laws will be. Your goal is to impose that on the whole country however, which will be a little more difficult to enforce. The same is true of immigrants, to the extent that you’re willing to hide and shelter them(though border security is simplicity itself), but typically people that support more immigration support more immigration into other people’s neighborhoods.

    No one here thought it was a travesty that Freddy Gray got arrested(by the way, you have to enforce your anti-gun laws and not give criminals space to destroy for them to work as intended), so you can pretty much already get the gun control laws you want, provided that you’re willing to accept the occasional exception where a good guy, who used firearms responsibly can defend himself legally.

  322. @Wilkey
    "The present estimate, based upon the best information we can get, is that there might be, say, 8,000 immigrants from India in the next five years … I don’t think we have a particular picture of a world situation where everybody is just straining to move to the United States...[Note: There were actually 27,859 Indian immigrants over the five years following passage of the bill, three times Secretary Rusk's predicted level]"

    One thing you should notice time and again is how many leftist programs come with no numerical ceilings, whether it's cost (welfare spending, etc.) or number of immigrants. They may make promises out the wazoo about how "this program will never cost tens of billions of dollars" or "this amnesty will only apply to a million people" or "this civil rights bill will never lead to racial quotas," but those limits and other promises are never included in the actual legislation. Excluding promises they make from their legislation is the first and most definitive sign that they are lying through their teeth.

    Jeff Sessions did something fairly interesting where he tried to put an absurdly high limit to an immigration bill, but even limiting it to I think it was 100M over 20 years was shot down 17 to 1. Revealed preferences verses stated preferences and all that.

  323. @Anonym
    You know, ethnically similar/identical nations like Pakistan/India with Muslim/Non-Muslim background would provide an interesting set of case studies to compare/contrast Islam. I wonder how many Indian grooming gangs there are, and how many Indian mass shooters etc.?

    Right. Another example would be Hindu Bali v. surrounding Indonesian Muslim islands. Tourists greatly prefer Bali. On the other hand, Greek tourist islands v. Turkish Riviera are pretty similar.

  324. Remember #IllRideWithYou? The joke back then was that frontlashers would offer to escort nervous-looking women in hijab who would then detonate.

    That could be made into a very funny and memorable scene in a movie or TV show. So it probably won’t be any time soon.

    I heard on the TV a little while ago that the vehicle was a rental. Can you imagine the reaction of the poor guy who rented out that vehicle seeing it get all shot up on TV?

    Haha. I can totally see a MENA type bringing it back, then arguing with the rental guy that all of that stuff was there when he got the car. Another hilarious movie/TV scene we shouldn’t hold our breath for.

    The US is a crazy place. Anyone with a grievance takes to shooting their opponent. Muslims jihadist now, the Christian anti abortion shooter last month. Assorted crazies several times a year.

    Haha, nothing like those stable, non-crazy Muslim countries where the Islamic State is running amok though, right?

    There are an awful lot of Christians in America. Hundreds of millions, would be my guess. Yet, Muslims, at only 1 or 2 percent of the population, still manage to outdo Christians in terms of terrorist violence. You shouldn’t be so modest.

    Funny, how it goes. There are hundreds of mass shootings in the US every year, barely mentioned or discussed here. But if it’s Muslims doing the shooting it’s sudd