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In the New York Times, actress and alpha female Salma Hayek weighs in on the topic du jour:

Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
By SALMA HAYEK Dec. 12, 2017

… He had said yes.

Little did I know it would become my turn to say no.

No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

No to me taking a shower with him.

No to letting him watch me take a shower.

No to letting him give me a massage.

No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

No to letting him give me oral sex.

No to my getting naked with another woman.

No, no, no, no, no …

And with every refusal came Harvey’s Machiavellian rage.

So, you see, Salma told him no.

My favorite, though, was when Salma got into an argument with a younger black actress who had called her “Ma’am” and declared “I’m the hottest bitch on the planet I know,” which is not a prudent thing to say around Salma.

 
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  1. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Boy, you’ve got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one–are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    • LOL: L Woods
    • Replies: @backup

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense.
     
    Off course they are. But showbizz people - not just women - are pretty one-dimensional. And since present day culture considers showbizz people basically the top of the hierarchy - part of our elites so to speak - this sticks out even more so.

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.
     
    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret. Ans as it now increasingly looks like the Harvey Weinsteins of Hollywood really were rapists that regret may only intensify.
    , @guest
    Not all men are about One Thing, either. But it's kinda hard to write an article about Harvey Weinstein without addressing his, um, "drive."

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn't mean that's all they do. They also have babies and stuff.
    , @27 year old

    are women that one-dimensional? ... but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine "iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck".

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There's probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren't readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don't know, that's what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we're basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are "just a piece of meat".

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.
    , @Abe

    but all women?
     
    Wait, didn't WOMEN a couple years back come up with and flock to a hash-tag jihad called #YesAllWomen ? (surprised, BTW, to be reminded that one was originally inspired by incel hapa Eliot Rodger's shooting spree)

    All women are in a constant state of hysteria
     
    Umm, have you forgotten women's response to the death of Princess Diana?

    I remember being puzzled while reading the early Byzantium chapters of Gibbon's DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE Gibbon's uncharacteristically harsh and acidic tone when recounting the constant public turmoil caused by 'women and monks'. And then I started living through it...

    , @ic1000
    Strong lead-off comment, anon. Maybe you could clarify something --

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand?
     
    It may be obvious to me that that's a main subtext, but it's not what I am seeing or hearing, and it's certainly not part of #MeToo. "Women are victims of beastly domineering white males (if some aren't white or aren't even particularly beastly, that just proves the point)".

    Which celebrities have stated that it was a pretty ugly scene back in their 20s, and that they compromised and did things (eg slept with powerful alpha creeps) that they would rather not have done, because that's the price that their career advancement demanded? I don't follow this closely, but I can't name anybody who's confessed to succumbing to temptation, rather than resisting.
    , @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/kantbot20k/status/916289361896931330
    , @Gunnar von Cowtown
    But... but... but... Muh NAWALT!
    , @L Woods

    All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    Yes
    , @anon
    Terrific! The comments convince me that women can be reduced to hysterical, little girls interested in very little but how hot they are and how much attention they can get from as many Chad Thundercocks as possible. That they comprise 50+ percent of our undergraduates, law students and significant percentage or our MD students, etc., all that is them just trying to position themselves to better show off their hottness and increase their chances to mate with Chad.

    The only sensible, society saving conclusion left, to my way of thinking, is: the Muslims are right. Cover that crap up! Keep women out of the public sphere! Take away from them any possibility of being able to choose their own mate--and just for convenient sake and to keep it all nice and neat--marry them off to their first or second cousins. Or, be like the old-school Mormons. See them as chattel, corral them into little herds and use them as breeding animals. Why not? Is that where we're heading?
  2. Is Hayek’s face the result of plastic surgery?

    • Replies: @Russ
    "Is Hayek’s face the result of plastic surgery?"

    Probably. And what of what's 1-2 ft farther south? Definitely.
  3. Machiavellian rage

    Is this a bad reference? Is Machiavelli known for tantrums? Or would she be meaning that Weinstein was merely pretending to be angry (unlikely)?
    Machiavelli wrote a comedy titled Belfagor, which is an extended complaint about Italian women. The climax has the devil Belfagor, who had taken a human wife because all the men coming to hell complained about having failed to go their own way, exorcised from a human he had possessed in terror that his estranged wife (simulated by a mass of kitchen utensils clanged together) was approaching. Machiavelli seems like he had a pretty decent temper and fair sense of humor.

    • Replies: @rogue-one
    Yes, it is historically inaccurate. An accurate usage of Machiavellian would be closer to prudent. But the word Machiavelli has become synonymous with evil or cunning in popular imagination, whatever the historical Machiavelli may have been.

    She means he got angry and used cunning to hurt her.
    , @European-American
    Machiavellian = cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous. So yes, she is saying Weinstein’s fits were part of a cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous system aimed at getting his way. Seems about right. Rage isn’t always uncontrolled. It’s often a weapon.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Best served cold.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    In The Prince, Macchiavelli wrote, "Fortune is a woman: if you wish to keep her under, it is necessary to take her by force" (also translated as "and if she is to be submissive it is necessary to beat and coerce her).

    That said, there is no evidence that he was any worse to his wife than any other Italian Renaissance husband. He was more worried about the Medici, anyhow.
  4. Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense.

    Agree. Steve is starting to sound like Heartiste…

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Heartiste sans the spastic grandiloquence and crass 14/88ism. Sounds good to me!
  5. Reminds me of Virginia Heffernan’s emotional labor over her friend Anna getting cussed by a 3 year old ( http://twitter.com/page88/status/941111374972968960 ) and this was hashtagged “Not #MeToo” in order to be searchable — even Ta Coates’s varied strained traumas & indignities have been more recent than 36 yrs

  6. No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….

    sure, salma, sure thing…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.
  7. My God, is there anyone in Hollywood with a shread of dignity, or compassion for anyone but themself? The fact that men take advantage of their power and wealth to exploit women (and the fact that women are sometimes willing accomplices) doesn’t surprize me. All you have to do is read the story of David and Bathsheba to know that’s been going on forever.

    But the level of narcissism of everyone in Hollywood revealed by this sordid mess really shocks me. And I pride myself on my cynicism about human nature…

  8. @propagandist hacker
    No, no, no, no...I don't smoke it no mo'....

    sure, salma, sure thing...

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….

    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep’s singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Good for Ringo. Looks to me like he was high at the time. This is how he came up with the hook, also accounts for the dead batteries and having to keep singing the hook. But then Ron Wood said that in the last 40 years he had never gone up on stage sober. Be it on drugs, alcohol or both. He was the real Keith Richards.
    , @Clyde
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Off_Boogaloo | Ringo tune was Back off Boogaloo. Batteries are mentioned in the wiki. Catchy hooky chorus. Ringo looks like a caveman in the video. Good for him. ________ https://tinyurl.com/yara6dgl
    , @anonymous
    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour but he DID write some catchy stuff, including the No No Song.
    , @Whoever
    I don't understand. Why didn't he just write it down? That's what musical notation is for.
    https://i.imgur.com/1RZaggC.jpg
    BTW, Hoyt Axton wrote "The No No Song."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing.
     
    An unverified story claims that Mick Jagger was suffering from some common malady during an early US tour, and went into a drugstore in Excelsior, Minn., to buy some relief. Some local ne'er-d0-well (who obviously felt an immediate connection to Mick) got into a conversation with him which climaxed in the guy's saying "...but you can always get what you need."

    How many songs were conceived in such establishments?

    Drugstores aren't what they used to be. Where is the soda fountain? Where are the tube testers?

    http://www.theonlineengineer.org/TheOLEBLOG/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_7584.jpg
  9. As another commenter noted, there is some female one upsmanship going on. As in, look how prestigious and Alpha the guy was who molested or _____ed me. (fill in blank) Women compete on hand bag displays so anything is possible. And being of two, three, four minds about a sexual harassment situation from fifteen years ago is child’s play for aspiring-perspiring-expiring actresses.

    “I was alternately scared and repulsed by the wet and nude Harvey Weinstein grasping his dick. Thank God he finally lunged for the potted plant. But you only had the cinematographer’s assistant flashing you.”

    To use a cliche, a nationwide shit test is going on. The women are winning.

  10. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense.

    Off course they are. But showbizz people – not just women – are pretty one-dimensional. And since present day culture considers showbizz people basically the top of the hierarchy – part of our elites so to speak – this sticks out even more so.

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret. Ans as it now increasingly looks like the Harvey Weinsteins of Hollywood really were rapists that regret may only intensify.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret.
     
    "You starred in X by Harvey Weinstein. So how did Harvey have his way with you?" "And did the fact that you starred in a Weinstein movie give Harve your stamp of approval? Thus luring other actresses. Making you a semi-procurer." This luring might apply to Gwyneth Paltrow.

    For Harvey you can substitute Brett Rattner, Russell Simmons, and so on. Hollywood's merry go round of sex, money, power. Same as Washington DC.
  11. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    Not all men are about One Thing, either. But it’s kinda hard to write an article about Harvey Weinstein without addressing his, um, “drive.”

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn’t mean that’s all they do. They also have babies and stuff.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    addressing his, um, “drive.”
     
    You mean "his uh 'drive'." And make sure you don't use the grammatical commas.
    , @Gunnar von Cowtown

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn’t mean that’s all they do. They also have babies and stuff.
     
    I assure you, the "struggle" never ends. It only assumes an ever so slightly different form.

    Especially if those babies are female.
  12. What is it with women and “madame?” Must social convention bow before their desire not to admit they’ve reached the age of maturity?

  13. @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    Good for Ringo. Looks to me like he was high at the time. This is how he came up with the hook, also accounts for the dead batteries and having to keep singing the hook. But then Ron Wood said that in the last 40 years he had never gone up on stage sober. Be it on drugs, alcohol or both. He was the real Keith Richards.

  14. @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Off_Boogaloo | Ringo tune was Back off Boogaloo. Batteries are mentioned in the wiki. Catchy hooky chorus. Ringo looks like a caveman in the video. Good for him. ________ https://tinyurl.com/yara6dgl

  15. Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK

    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.

    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”

    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch…..

    “I thought I was a princess,” Salma told Scene. “I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish.” True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. “Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes,” Salma told Elle

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.

    Listen, I’m not some Indian maid from Yucatan…..I know important people….

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.

    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

    And I’m really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.

    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing….

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.

    Hey,don’t start thinking that I’m un-WOKE or anything; I’m totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex….

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    As long as Salma promises to bring the albino boa constrictor along...
    , @Abe

    No to me taking a shower with him.

    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.

    They were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman.

     

    You know it’s really weird. I‘ve tried to read this NEW YORK TIMES op-ed like 20 times, but I can never get past the first 15 minutes...
    , @Yak-15
    You think she experienced zero harassment in her Mexican soap opera days? Where are those stories?
    , @Chrisnonymous

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity
     
    This confirms my previous conjecture that, far from a one-dimensional monster, Weinstein was a kind of genius whose monstrosity was related intimately to his business acumen.
    , @Ivy
    Possible Hillary Clinton channeling?

    Little did I know it would become my turn to say no.
     
    , @AnotherDad

    I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    If Jesus would just answer all little girls' prayers like he answered Salma's, there wouldn't be a non-Christian woman on the planet.

    The muzzie jihad would falter, the GWOT would end, world peace would break out, the Christian millennium would be at hand.
    , @AnotherDad

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.
     
    Proof that Weinstein is odious but not an idiot.

    Salma's appeal is pretty much all sex appeal. Despite her Lebanese jaw, she's almost a caricature of the hyper-feminine--short, incredibly curvy, huge round baby-feeders. Salma actually looks like one of those ancient female figurines--all T+A--brought to life. And then all the feminine pay-attention-to-me drama. She's the female version of Arnold or the Rock. Pretty incredible and fun to watch.


    Honestly, who--what normal--would want to watch a movie about Frida what's her name. She's one of those "women!" we are suppose to find interesting, but are always just incredibly tedious and boring. What did she do anyway but paint a bunch of pictures of herself. (Pretty much female parody and we're supposed to take it seriously?)

    But throw in Salma whose body absolute screams "i am woman!" and encourages every penis stand up and take notice and you have a movie some people will go see. (Just like folks reading Playboy for the interviews.) Weinstein might have been obsessed with a naked Salma but he knew his business.
    , @Brutusale
    I don't remember much from Desperado other than her first scene where she simply walks across the Mexican town square, the living monument to feminine pulchritude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvj44veWVE

    If you were a boy before viewing that scene, you were a man after.
  16. @backup

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense.
     
    Off course they are. But showbizz people - not just women - are pretty one-dimensional. And since present day culture considers showbizz people basically the top of the hierarchy - part of our elites so to speak - this sticks out even more so.

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.
     
    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret. Ans as it now increasingly looks like the Harvey Weinsteins of Hollywood really were rapists that regret may only intensify.

    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret.

    “You starred in X by Harvey Weinstein. So how did Harvey have his way with you?” “And did the fact that you starred in a Weinstein movie give Harve your stamp of approval? Thus luring other actresses. Making you a semi-procurer.” This luring might apply to Gwyneth Paltrow.

    For Harvey you can substitute Brett Rattner, Russell Simmons, and so on. Hollywood’s merry go round of sex, money, power. Same as Washington DC.

    • Replies: @backup

    This luring might apply to Gwyneth Paltrow.
     
    Or Jennifer Lawrence.

    Mind you, we haven't seen the worst yet if I read the signs well: https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/925087205810466817?lang=en
  17. @J.Ross

    Machiavellian rage
     
    Is this a bad reference? Is Machiavelli known for tantrums? Or would she be meaning that Weinstein was merely pretending to be angry (unlikely)?
    Machiavelli wrote a comedy titled Belfagor, which is an extended complaint about Italian women. The climax has the devil Belfagor, who had taken a human wife because all the men coming to hell complained about having failed to go their own way, exorcised from a human he had possessed in terror that his estranged wife (simulated by a mass of kitchen utensils clanged together) was approaching. Machiavelli seems like he had a pretty decent temper and fair sense of humor.

    Yes, it is historically inaccurate. An accurate usage of Machiavellian would be closer to prudent. But the word Machiavelli has become synonymous with evil or cunning in popular imagination, whatever the historical Machiavelli may have been.

    She means he got angry and used cunning to hurt her.

  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: I just read an article that Mohammed bin Salman met with Mahmoud Abbas, and MBS told the latter that he had no choice about accepting a peace plan with the Israelis, a plan that is very much pro-Israeli, and that Abbas would be replaced if he didn’t accept it.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-united-states-israel-and-saudi-arabia-are-reportedly-pushing-a-peace-plan-that-would-create-a-palestinian-state.html

    Interesting.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    OT: I just read an article that Mohammed bin Salman met with Mahmoud Abbas, and MBS told the latter that he had no choice about accepting a peace plan with the Israelis, a plan that is very much pro-Israeli, and that Abbas would be replaced if he didn’t accept it.
     
    Give the Israeli Jews a commission of 3% on all Arabian oil sales and they'll have that place straightened out within two years. Including no more Sunni-Shiite squabbling.
    , @Flip
    I've never quite understood why the Palestinians weren't absorbed into Jordan. Wasn't Palestine split into Israel for the Jews and Jordan for the Arabs?
  19. @J.Ross

    Machiavellian rage
     
    Is this a bad reference? Is Machiavelli known for tantrums? Or would she be meaning that Weinstein was merely pretending to be angry (unlikely)?
    Machiavelli wrote a comedy titled Belfagor, which is an extended complaint about Italian women. The climax has the devil Belfagor, who had taken a human wife because all the men coming to hell complained about having failed to go their own way, exorcised from a human he had possessed in terror that his estranged wife (simulated by a mass of kitchen utensils clanged together) was approaching. Machiavelli seems like he had a pretty decent temper and fair sense of humor.

    Machiavellian = cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous. So yes, she is saying Weinstein’s fits were part of a cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous system aimed at getting his way. Seems about right. Rage isn’t always uncontrolled. It’s often a weapon.

    • Replies: @CK
    Machiavelli was a noticer of things. Many commenters here are noticers of things too.
  20. @J.Ross

    Machiavellian rage
     
    Is this a bad reference? Is Machiavelli known for tantrums? Or would she be meaning that Weinstein was merely pretending to be angry (unlikely)?
    Machiavelli wrote a comedy titled Belfagor, which is an extended complaint about Italian women. The climax has the devil Belfagor, who had taken a human wife because all the men coming to hell complained about having failed to go their own way, exorcised from a human he had possessed in terror that his estranged wife (simulated by a mass of kitchen utensils clanged together) was approaching. Machiavelli seems like he had a pretty decent temper and fair sense of humor.

    Best served cold.

  21. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    As long as Salma promises to bring the albino boa constrictor along…

  22. “No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.”

    That’s gotta be one of the more bizarre requests.

    I think Harvey’s problem was not coming right out and asking women to screw or blow him. To put it right on the table, so to say. That would have come across as an obnoxious abuse of power, but nobody could have faulted him as being so … Sad? Depraved? Perverted?

    And he would likely have gotten more action, since the market in this in Hollywood is quite active with market-makers on both sides of the action. To stay in that analogy, Harvey’s sin was straying away from the “standardised contracts” used to clear the market.

    • Replies: @guest
    Don't imagine he didn't proposition ingenues for straight sex, too. He also had girlfriends and probably prostitutes for that. Not to mention play time with himself, which is where most people work out their weirder urges.

    Thing is, for some people that's not enough. Or he just gets carried away because he's not naturally sexually...let's call it adept. Like if you had no experience with kids, and they don't like you and you hate them but suddenly you're called upon to babysit them. You might abuse the privilege. Moreso if you somehow derived pleasure from it.

    , @Abe


    “No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.”
     
    That’s gotta be one of the more bizarre requests.

    I think Harvey’s problem was not coming right out and asking women to screw or blow him.
     

    In a world where every tin-pot sociologist is dying to strap me up to piezoelectric sensors, start looping footage of Reginald Denny getting his brains beaten out, and then claim victory (plus an Econ Nobel) when readings of my discomfort prove what an implicit racist I am (SCIENCE!), isn't it interesting no one is doing experiments on more politically problematic (i.e. interesting!) topics?

    Like how much stress does a woman go through when she has to listen to 3 or more women talk about the same thing but must remain silent?

    Or how do certain ethnicities respond to certain sexual kinks? Some of Harvey's proclivities (3 ways, girl-on-girl) are pretty standard guy fare. Some might be- let's just say... demographically skewed (and I don't mean that in a bad way, it's a pretty interesting topic actually).

    For example, all the talk of Harvey wanting to watch someone shower, or be watched showering, reminds me now of Neil Simon's fairly autobiographical play BRIGHTON BEACH MEMORIES, where the teenage Simon stand-in character is literally bursting out of his skin to peep-in on his hot aunt and cousin (this being 1930's New York, where having your own private bath was a real luxury) showering together.

  23. OTish:

    Is TSwift trolling them now? I doubt it, but from the Daily Mail:

    “Bad blood! Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying ’2017 couldn’t have been better for me’ and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter reminding her of ‘mass shootings and Trump’s travel ban’”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5181751/Taylor-Swift-attacked-saying-2017-best-year-ever.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift's silence on net neutrality is deafening.

    (Actually, that would be a subject on which I wouldn't be surprised for Ms. Swift to have an informed opinion, although one likely financially biased by her role as an internet content creator.)

    , @guest
    Why specify the travel ban? That implies mere Trumpism isn't bad enough. It's simply not possible to have a good time while Trump is president, travel ban or no.

    I'm going to start tweeting at people who post pictures of lunch, "OMG, you enjoyed that paella while Trump is in the White House? How dare you disrespect people of color like that? I can't even. #worsethanHitler."

    , @Abe

    Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying ’2017 couldn’t have been better for me’ and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter
     
    This has got to be one of Millienial click-bait media's most annoying recent ticks- "Me and the Internet both agree you're wrong!"
  24. Plus ol Selma married a billionaire, so she figures she finally has the juice to jam Harvey. Unlike when she was a struggling young actress, doing career enhancing lesbian scenes at Harve’s alleged insistence.

    Salma Hayek: “It’s Nice” Being Married to a Billionaire … https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/salma-hayek-its…
    Salma Hayek pays her own bills, amigos! The 44-year-old actress is married to French billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault, with whom she shares daughter Valentina, 4.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    She also breastfeeds Africans. One well satisfied tot was reputed to have remarked:"Did Salma Hayek just breast feed me?"
  25. @william munny
    OTish:

    Is TSwift trolling them now? I doubt it, but from the Daily Mail:

    "Bad blood! Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying '2017 couldn't have been better for me' and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter reminding her of 'mass shootings and Trump's travel ban'"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5181751/Taylor-Swift-attacked-saying-2017-best-year-ever.html

    Taylor Swift’s silence on net neutrality is deafening.

    (Actually, that would be a subject on which I wouldn’t be surprised for Ms. Swift to have an informed opinion, although one likely financially biased by her role as an internet content creator.)

    • Replies: @william munny
    Ms. Swift's her career seems to have been, since the outset, very carefully managed. Her first country hit, as a teen, used Tim McGraw's name as the title, guaranteeing attention. She moved on to the pop world and is winning, but I get the feeling she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages. Country fans are far more welcoming to aging women, and obviously more conservative. I don't know if she is consciously remaining neutral, but she should. Most country fans don't particularly care what you think about politics, but don't want you throwing your elitist views in their faces. If she plays it right, she could keep making tons of money for the next two decades or more. Country artists make a lot of money for a long time. 70-something Dolly Parton is still making music. A Taylor Swift theme park would work fine.
    , @The Alarmist
    TayTay no doubt has her super-premium high-speed/high-volume access deal locked down.
  26. @Anon
    OT: I just read an article that Mohammed bin Salman met with Mahmoud Abbas, and MBS told the latter that he had no choice about accepting a peace plan with the Israelis, a plan that is very much pro-Israeli, and that Abbas would be replaced if he didn't accept it.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-united-states-israel-and-saudi-arabia-are-reportedly-pushing-a-peace-plan-that-would-create-a-palestinian-state.html

    Interesting.

    OT: I just read an article that Mohammed bin Salman met with Mahmoud Abbas, and MBS told the latter that he had no choice about accepting a peace plan with the Israelis, a plan that is very much pro-Israeli, and that Abbas would be replaced if he didn’t accept it.

    Give the Israeli Jews a commission of 3% on all Arabian oil sales and they’ll have that place straightened out within two years. Including no more Sunni-Shiite squabbling.

  27. @The Alarmist

    "No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage."
     
    That's gotta be one of the more bizarre requests.

    I think Harvey's problem was not coming right out and asking women to screw or blow him. To put it right on the table, so to say. That would have come across as an obnoxious abuse of power, but nobody could have faulted him as being so ... Sad? Depraved? Perverted?

    And he would likely have gotten more action, since the market in this in Hollywood is quite active with market-makers on both sides of the action. To stay in that analogy, Harvey's sin was straying away from the "standardised contracts" used to clear the market.

    Don’t imagine he didn’t proposition ingenues for straight sex, too. He also had girlfriends and probably prostitutes for that. Not to mention play time with himself, which is where most people work out their weirder urges.

    Thing is, for some people that’s not enough. Or he just gets carried away because he’s not naturally sexually…let’s call it adept. Like if you had no experience with kids, and they don’t like you and you hate them but suddenly you’re called upon to babysit them. You might abuse the privilege. Moreso if you somehow derived pleasure from it.

  28. @william munny
    OTish:

    Is TSwift trolling them now? I doubt it, but from the Daily Mail:

    "Bad blood! Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying '2017 couldn't have been better for me' and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter reminding her of 'mass shootings and Trump's travel ban'"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5181751/Taylor-Swift-attacked-saying-2017-best-year-ever.html

    Why specify the travel ban? That implies mere Trumpism isn’t bad enough. It’s simply not possible to have a good time while Trump is president, travel ban or no.

    I’m going to start tweeting at people who post pictures of lunch, “OMG, you enjoyed that paella while Trump is in the White House? How dare you disrespect people of color like that? I can’t even. #worsethanHitler.”

    • Replies: @Tim
    “OMG, you enjoyed that paella while Trump is in the White House? How dare you disrespect people of color like that? I can’t even. #worsethanHitler.”

    I LOVE this one. I'm going to use it all the time!
  29. @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift's silence on net neutrality is deafening.

    (Actually, that would be a subject on which I wouldn't be surprised for Ms. Swift to have an informed opinion, although one likely financially biased by her role as an internet content creator.)

    Ms. Swift’s her career seems to have been, since the outset, very carefully managed. Her first country hit, as a teen, used Tim McGraw’s name as the title, guaranteeing attention. She moved on to the pop world and is winning, but I get the feeling she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages. Country fans are far more welcoming to aging women, and obviously more conservative. I don’t know if she is consciously remaining neutral, but she should. Most country fans don’t particularly care what you think about politics, but don’t want you throwing your elitist views in their faces. If she plays it right, she could keep making tons of money for the next two decades or more. Country artists make a lot of money for a long time. 70-something Dolly Parton is still making music. A Taylor Swift theme park would work fine.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages

    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.

  30. Ok I do admit that I too think Steve is sounding too much like Heartiste…(I read heartiste everyday so I don’t need two of them)

    All people are a shade of egomaniac…including me and including you Steve.

    Selma is an egomaniac, but at the same time she is telling her side of the story of what went on with Harvey Weinstein and it ads to the information about the guy.

    On one side we’re getting a lot of false rape claims…but on the other side…we do need women to come out and say when Men Are Jerks

    (Lewis C.K…I got into a fight with my husband over him this summer because I said that I don’t like his child rape jokes and my husband was like ‘No no he doesn’t mean it like that’…i think his jokes were a sign of his personality ‘i can be a jerk and get away with it! i’m on stage and people will let me say anything and justify it’)

    One more thing…

    You can’t expect to tell your daughters to become successful in life financially and then get mad at your daughter for keeping quiet or going along with sexual harassment from an exec to get ahead but then coming forward at time when she can keep her financial success.

    The women aren’t perfect…but as long as you parents want your daughters to become all rich by their own work then well…You’ll have to deal with this seemingly hypocritical behavior.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @ic1000
    Astute remarks, Me, keep commenting. I'm often at a loss to advise my daughter on issues like that... not that she's eager to listen, of course ;-)
  31. @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift's silence on net neutrality is deafening.

    (Actually, that would be a subject on which I wouldn't be surprised for Ms. Swift to have an informed opinion, although one likely financially biased by her role as an internet content creator.)

    TayTay no doubt has her super-premium high-speed/high-volume access deal locked down.

  32. @william munny
    Ms. Swift's her career seems to have been, since the outset, very carefully managed. Her first country hit, as a teen, used Tim McGraw's name as the title, guaranteeing attention. She moved on to the pop world and is winning, but I get the feeling she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages. Country fans are far more welcoming to aging women, and obviously more conservative. I don't know if she is consciously remaining neutral, but she should. Most country fans don't particularly care what you think about politics, but don't want you throwing your elitist views in their faces. If she plays it right, she could keep making tons of money for the next two decades or more. Country artists make a lot of money for a long time. 70-something Dolly Parton is still making music. A Taylor Swift theme park would work fine.

    she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages

    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Hasn't she just turned 28?

    tick, tick, tick, tick.

    Kylie Minogue was the TS of the 90s. Utterly gorgeous then, well preserved now, but 49 and childless.

    "But I'm older now and done for
    What on earth was all the fun for?"
    , @Paleo Liberal
    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.


    Yup. A few folks rant and rave about her refusal to lead the Trump Resistance.

    I am reminded of the careers of John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

    John and Yoko decided to lead the Nixon Resistance. The two of them never had a #1 hit together while John was still alive. John's life was pretty much destroyed, then he was assassinated.

    Paul and Linda were much quieter about their politics, had some #1 hits. Paul's life went pretty well, and he was knighted.

    Maybe Taylor Swift would rather follow Paul's footsteps than John's
  33. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    are women that one-dimensional? … but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine “iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck”.

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There’s probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren’t readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don’t know, that’s what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we’re basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are “just a piece of meat”.

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.

    • Replies: @Flip

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don’t know, that’s what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.
     
    I always say that looks are pass/fail to me, but you have to pass.
    , @MBlanc46
    It reminds them of truths thst they’d rather not be true, plus it provides great opportunities to bang on about how awful men are.
    , @MBlanc46
    It reminds them of truths that they’d rather not be true, plus it provides great opportunities to bang on about how awful men are.
    , @ChrisZ
    27YO, hours after I first read it I’m still laughing at that opening line. One of the all-time funniest uses of “cuck.”
  34. OT

    Soros hatred is a global sickness“- Gideon Rachman in the FT

    https://www.ft.com/content/7f93856e-9c55-11e7-9a86-4d5a475ba4c5

    “Conspiracy theorists have an explanation for everything. So the fact that the FT should publish a column defending Mr Soros will simply be taken as further evidence of his nefarious influence. “

  35. @Steve Sailer
    she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages

    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.

    Hasn’t she just turned 28?

    tick, tick, tick, tick.

    Kylie Minogue was the TS of the 90s. Utterly gorgeous then, well preserved now, but 49 and childless.

    “But I’m older now and done for
    What on earth was all the fun for?”

  36. @Clyde
    Plus ol Selma married a billionaire, so she figures she finally has the juice to jam Harvey. Unlike when she was a struggling young actress, doing career enhancing lesbian scenes at Harve's alleged insistence.

    Salma Hayek: "It's Nice" Being Married to a Billionaire ... https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/salma-hayek-its...
    Salma Hayek pays her own bills, amigos! The 44-year-old actress is married to French billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault, with whom she shares daughter Valentina, 4.
     

    She also breastfeeds Africans. One well satisfied tot was reputed to have remarked:”Did Salma Hayek just breast feed me?”

    • LOL: jim jones
  37. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    No to me taking a shower with him.

    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.

    They were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman.

    You know it’s really weird. I‘ve tried to read this NEW YORK TIMES op-ed like 20 times, but I can never get past the first 15 minutes…

    • Replies: @NOTA
    I’m glad she was able to turn him down—as lots of other women apparently weren’t able or willing (given the consequences to their careers) to do. I expect there are lots of stories like this that mostly don’t get told because “No, you creep, I’m not getting naked for you!” doesn’t make as good a story.
  38. @27 year old

    are women that one-dimensional? ... but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine "iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck".

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There's probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren't readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don't know, that's what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we're basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are "just a piece of meat".

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don’t know, that’s what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    I always say that looks are pass/fail to me, but you have to pass.

  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    # But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don’t know, that’s what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value.

    How can one comment about such a mind-numbingly indoctrinated comment? I hope, for your sake, that you really are 27 and can maybe develop as a human being in the next year or two.

  40. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    but all women?

    Wait, didn’t WOMEN a couple years back come up with and flock to a hash-tag jihad called #YesAllWomen ? (surprised, BTW, to be reminded that one was originally inspired by incel hapa Eliot Rodger’s shooting spree)

    All women are in a constant state of hysteria

    Umm, have you forgotten women’s response to the death of Princess Diana?

    I remember being puzzled while reading the early Byzantium chapters of Gibbon’s DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE Gibbon’s uncharacteristically harsh and acidic tone when recounting the constant public turmoil caused by ‘women and monks’. And then I started living through it…

  41. This is not sailerish fodder for comment-frenzy, but hopefully useful:

    “Chivalry is not an obvious idea. It is not as plain as a pike-staff or as a palm-tree. It is a delicate balance between the sexes, which gives the rarest kind of pleasure to those who can strike it. – “

  42. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    Strong lead-off comment, anon. Maybe you could clarify something –

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand?

    It may be obvious to me that that’s a main subtext, but it’s not what I am seeing or hearing, and it’s certainly not part of #MeToo. “Women are victims of beastly domineering white males (if some aren’t white or aren’t even particularly beastly, that just proves the point)”.

    Which celebrities have stated that it was a pretty ugly scene back in their 20s, and that they compromised and did things (eg slept with powerful alpha creeps) that they would rather not have done, because that’s the price that their career advancement demanded? I don’t follow this closely, but I can’t name anybody who’s confessed to succumbing to temptation, rather than resisting.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I think you and anon both are right: the actresses regret, some (now respectable and mothers) of course say they virtuously resisted the male pig (apparently Hayek) but some did things they wouldn't have (lesbian nude scene). She did say it was me-too nonsense.

    Certainly normal men and women gain nothing by bringing Hollywood references into their interactions.
    , @Joe regular dude guy
    Read a thing by some blonde that Lauer banged while she was in her mid twenties. She admits it was totally consensual, that she was leaving for another job she already had and so wasn't a case of power and career pay for play... but STILL she insists she was the victim, because he didn't love her, he used her for sex. Sorry, that is not rape or harassment. It hurts, but folks are used and rejected and have heart ache all the time. You don't become special and the guy becomes a predator instead of an ex just because he was famous.

    Same with one of Hoffman's accusers... he fingered her, she says it was non-consensual aka rape...though she didn't object... he gave her $20 and "instructed her" (feel the rapey coercion!) to take a cab to his place. So she DID, then fucked him. She weirdly says the fingering was rape but the fucking for which it was foreplay was consensual. What? And I am reading more and more of these "I was floating" " I was out of my body" "I was in a fugue state" explanations of women who gave consent 20 years ago but are revoking it now... I wasn't responsible, I was in a Fugue State! Bet they got that one from Breaking Bad btw.
    , @Ivy
    Compromising situations have been part of entertainment for at least as long as Glenn Campbell's Rhinestone Cowboy song about A load of compromisin' on the road to my horizon.

    Think of Hollywood, Broadway and print media, with their fellow travelers, as compromisers, and the Hayeks et al as the compromisees, or just another day at work.
  43. I don’t get it. Do you not believe Salma Hayek? Obviously, she could be making the whole thing up but it’s not particularly implausible, is it?

    Being an “alpha female” may be enough to make Salma Hayek invulnerable if all she cared about was men drooling over her. But it’s not that hard to imagine that an alpha female” who yearns to make a Frida biopic would be vulnerable to Weinstein, is it?

    I really don’t understand your hostility to Lithwick’s and Salma Hayek’s narratives. To me, their articles don’t seem like they’re trying to push an agenda or cast themselves as victims. Actually, they aren’t even really about sexual harassment but about vulnerability to power and the shame you feel at your compromises when someone else shows the courage to speak up.

  44. @The Alarmist

    "No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage."
     
    That's gotta be one of the more bizarre requests.

    I think Harvey's problem was not coming right out and asking women to screw or blow him. To put it right on the table, so to say. That would have come across as an obnoxious abuse of power, but nobody could have faulted him as being so ... Sad? Depraved? Perverted?

    And he would likely have gotten more action, since the market in this in Hollywood is quite active with market-makers on both sides of the action. To stay in that analogy, Harvey's sin was straying away from the "standardised contracts" used to clear the market.

    “No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.”

    That’s gotta be one of the more bizarre requests.

    I think Harvey’s problem was not coming right out and asking women to screw or blow him.

    In a world where every tin-pot sociologist is dying to strap me up to piezoelectric sensors, start looping footage of Reginald Denny getting his brains beaten out, and then claim victory (plus an Econ Nobel) when readings of my discomfort prove what an implicit racist I am (SCIENCE!), isn’t it interesting no one is doing experiments on more politically problematic (i.e. interesting!) topics?

    Like how much stress does a woman go through when she has to listen to 3 or more women talk about the same thing but must remain silent?

    Or how do certain ethnicities respond to certain sexual kinks? Some of Harvey’s proclivities (3 ways, girl-on-girl) are pretty standard guy fare. Some might be- let’s just say… demographically skewed (and I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s a pretty interesting topic actually).

    For example, all the talk of Harvey wanting to watch someone shower, or be watched showering, reminds me now of Neil Simon’s fairly autobiographical play BRIGHTON BEACH MEMORIES, where the teenage Simon stand-in character is literally bursting out of his skin to peep-in on his hot aunt and cousin (this being 1930′s New York, where having your own private bath was a real luxury) showering together.

  45. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

  46. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    You think she experienced zero harassment in her Mexican soap opera days? Where are those stories?

  47. @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour but he DID write some catchy stuff, including the No No Song.

    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour

    It's also pretty well agreed upon that he was also the least physically attractive of the bunch. But if you go to Youtube and watch the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show, the girls screamed the loudest for Ringo. Is that because they thought that since Ringo was the least attractive Beatle, they might actually have a chance with him?

    Also, although Ringo didn't write it, he had a huge hit with "You're Sixteen" in 1974 (and Paul McCartney either played on the record or sang backup, or both.) Here's a 32 year old man singing about the thrills he gets kissing his 16 year old girlfriend. If Garrison Keillor can have his entire life's work sent down the memory hole for touching a woman's back, shouldn't Ringo and Paul McCartney get kicked out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for promoting "pedophilia"?

    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    Disagree. He was a much, much better drummer than George was a guitarist. On their first album, the drums are the only instrument that comes across as professional (excluding the voices). As the years went on, Ringo innovated while George stagnated. Almost all the groundbreaking lead guitar parts were performed by McCartney, starting with "Ticket To Ride."

    As for songwriting, of course Ringo was less talented than George, but who expects a drummer to compose anyway?
  48. @william munny
    OTish:

    Is TSwift trolling them now? I doubt it, but from the Daily Mail:

    "Bad blood! Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying '2017 couldn't have been better for me' and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter reminding her of 'mass shootings and Trump's travel ban'"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5181751/Taylor-Swift-attacked-saying-2017-best-year-ever.html

    Tone deaf Taylor marks her 28th birthday by saying ’2017 couldn’t have been better for me’ and is swiftly brought back down to earth by Twitter

    This has got to be one of Millienial click-bait media’s most annoying recent ticks- “Me and the Internet both agree you’re wrong!”

  49. @Me
    Ok I do admit that I too think Steve is sounding too much like Heartiste...(I read heartiste everyday so I don't need two of them)

    All people are a shade of egomaniac...including me and including you Steve.

    Selma is an egomaniac, but at the same time she is telling her side of the story of what went on with Harvey Weinstein and it ads to the information about the guy.

    On one side we're getting a lot of false rape claims...but on the other side...we do need women to come out and say when Men Are Jerks

    (Lewis C.K...I got into a fight with my husband over him this summer because I said that I don't like his child rape jokes and my husband was like 'No no he doesn't mean it like that'...i think his jokes were a sign of his personality 'i can be a jerk and get away with it! i'm on stage and people will let me say anything and justify it')

    One more thing...

    You can't expect to tell your daughters to become successful in life financially and then get mad at your daughter for keeping quiet or going along with sexual harassment from an exec to get ahead but then coming forward at time when she can keep her financial success.

    The women aren't perfect...but as long as you parents want your daughters to become all rich by their own work then well...You'll have to deal with this seemingly hypocritical behavior.

    Astute remarks, Me, keep commenting. I’m often at a loss to advise my daughter on issues like that… not that she’s eager to listen, of course ;-)

    • Replies: @Anon
    Children will internalize short, clear ideas. Girls love Dad wisdom, said in a manly way:


    Not all valuable, interesting persons will be economically productive. It's ok. Just learn to live responsibly within your means.

    If you're one of those who can get rich, know your principles and limits. Don't get rich at any price. Applies to career and marriage.

    Know that some professions have high numbers of sociopaths (politicians, many branches of finance), and choose career paths accordingly.
    , @stillCARealist
    I tell my daughter: get an education or a skill and then get a job. Along the way get a man. If you don't know what to do about a career, then that means you're going to be a great homemaker. And that's the best career a woman can have.

    Women have lots of choices in life, but they don't have to kill themselves in the job market the way men do. Often an ideal solution is for a wife to help her husband with his business so that he's more successful for the whole family.
  50. @guest
    Not all men are about One Thing, either. But it's kinda hard to write an article about Harvey Weinstein without addressing his, um, "drive."

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn't mean that's all they do. They also have babies and stuff.

    addressing his, um, “drive.”

    You mean “his uh ‘drive’.” And make sure you don’t use the grammatical commas.

  51. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000
    Strong lead-off comment, anon. Maybe you could clarify something --

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand?
     
    It may be obvious to me that that's a main subtext, but it's not what I am seeing or hearing, and it's certainly not part of #MeToo. "Women are victims of beastly domineering white males (if some aren't white or aren't even particularly beastly, that just proves the point)".

    Which celebrities have stated that it was a pretty ugly scene back in their 20s, and that they compromised and did things (eg slept with powerful alpha creeps) that they would rather not have done, because that's the price that their career advancement demanded? I don't follow this closely, but I can't name anybody who's confessed to succumbing to temptation, rather than resisting.

    I think you and anon both are right: the actresses regret, some (now respectable and mothers) of course say they virtuously resisted the male pig (apparently Hayek) but some did things they wouldn’t have (lesbian nude scene). She did say it was me-too nonsense.

    Certainly normal men and women gain nothing by bringing Hollywood references into their interactions.

  52. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity

    This confirms my previous conjecture that, far from a one-dimensional monster, Weinstein was a kind of genius whose monstrosity was related intimately to his business acumen.

  53. @European-American
    Machiavellian = cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous. So yes, she is saying Weinstein’s fits were part of a cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous system aimed at getting his way. Seems about right. Rage isn’t always uncontrolled. It’s often a weapon.

    Machiavelli was a noticer of things. Many commenters here are noticers of things too.

  54. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000
    Astute remarks, Me, keep commenting. I'm often at a loss to advise my daughter on issues like that... not that she's eager to listen, of course ;-)

    Children will internalize short, clear ideas. Girls love Dad wisdom, said in a manly way:

    Not all valuable, interesting persons will be economically productive. It’s ok. Just learn to live responsibly within your means.

    If you’re one of those who can get rich, know your principles and limits. Don’t get rich at any price. Applies to career and marriage.

    Know that some professions have high numbers of sociopaths (politicians, many branches of finance), and choose career paths accordingly.

  55. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    But… but… but… Muh NAWALT!

  56. @guest
    Not all men are about One Thing, either. But it's kinda hard to write an article about Harvey Weinstein without addressing his, um, "drive."

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn't mean that's all they do. They also have babies and stuff.

    In any case, just because women are in a lifelong struggle to be Queen Pretty doesn’t mean that’s all they do. They also have babies and stuff.

    I assure you, the “struggle” never ends. It only assumes an ever so slightly different form.

    Especially if those babies are female.

  57. @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Yes

  58. @anonguy

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense.
     
    Agree. Steve is starting to sound like Heartiste...

    Heartiste sans the spastic grandiloquence and crass 14/88ism. Sounds good to me!

  59. Force-able lesbian sex scene . . .

    Harvey was the MAN!

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Force-able lesbian sex scene . . .Harvey was the MAN!
     
    He kept his pimp hand strong until 2017 when it all fell apart. He pimped them (women) out in his movies instead of the street, with the same objective of making money off of female talent.
  60. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Boy, you've got a really interesting take on female psychology. The Lithwick/Kozinski post and this one--are women that one-dimensional? Perhaps, at the higher strata of Stanford Law Review and actresses bagging billionaires, this sort Freudian approach might have some superficial appeal, but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they're more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?

    Women have to be a bit more multi-dimensional than your easy dismissal and ridicule of this MeToo nonsense. The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand? Did these women know what they were getting into? Probably they assumed so, but the reality seemed to have been even more disgusting than they imagined.

    Terrific! The comments convince me that women can be reduced to hysterical, little girls interested in very little but how hot they are and how much attention they can get from as many Chad Thundercocks as possible. That they comprise 50+ percent of our undergraduates, law students and significant percentage or our MD students, etc., all that is them just trying to position themselves to better show off their hottness and increase their chances to mate with Chad.

    The only sensible, society saving conclusion left, to my way of thinking, is: the Muslims are right. Cover that crap up! Keep women out of the public sphere! Take away from them any possibility of being able to choose their own mate–and just for convenient sake and to keep it all nice and neat–marry them off to their first or second cousins. Or, be like the old-school Mormons. See them as chattel, corral them into little herds and use them as breeding animals. Why not? Is that where we’re heading?

  61. Weinstein is a pig, no doubt, but on the subject of him being naked while Salma Hayek was around, I wonder if anyone has thought about Lyndon Johnson, who was not a perv as far as we know, although he too was a womanizer.

    Anyway, Johnson would force people to walk with him to continue conversations while he walked in and sat down on the toilet to relieve himself. This strikes me as a dominant silver back gorilla tactic, i.e., I’m the top ape here and you’ll do as I say. Taller than most people, he would press all the way into everyone’s personal space when talking, grabbing arms and shoulders, belching, spitting, farting, laughing in your face. Way past the comfort zone of most people.

    It’s a tactic.

  62. @J.Ross

    Machiavellian rage
     
    Is this a bad reference? Is Machiavelli known for tantrums? Or would she be meaning that Weinstein was merely pretending to be angry (unlikely)?
    Machiavelli wrote a comedy titled Belfagor, which is an extended complaint about Italian women. The climax has the devil Belfagor, who had taken a human wife because all the men coming to hell complained about having failed to go their own way, exorcised from a human he had possessed in terror that his estranged wife (simulated by a mass of kitchen utensils clanged together) was approaching. Machiavelli seems like he had a pretty decent temper and fair sense of humor.

    In The Prince, Macchiavelli wrote, “Fortune is a woman: if you wish to keep her under, it is necessary to take her by force” (also translated as “and if she is to be submissive it is necessary to beat and coerce her).

    That said, there is no evidence that he was any worse to his wife than any other Italian Renaissance husband. He was more worried about the Medici, anyhow.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I must have read that and forgotten it, it's as ugly as Vatsyayana's idea that all women are masochists and the more you hurt them the more they like it, which Burton omitted but Danielou included.
  63. Harvey was crushed under the juggernaut that is Salma Hayek.

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    "juggernaut" or jugs

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/90/94/97/909497f19c13430760aaaedf80fb639b--selma-hayek-beautiful-actresses.jpg

    I wouldn't mind being crushed under those.
  64. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How come there’s hardly any women who comment here on serious subjects or even on less profound ones such as this? They’re all over the place at other birdbrained sites commenting on celebrities and other such frivolous things. How can they be taken seriously when 90% spend all their spare time in swooning over celebrities or being jealous mean girls? Or perhaps they shouldn’t be taken seriously.

  65. @ic1000
    Astute remarks, Me, keep commenting. I'm often at a loss to advise my daughter on issues like that... not that she's eager to listen, of course ;-)

    I tell my daughter: get an education or a skill and then get a job. Along the way get a man. If you don’t know what to do about a career, then that means you’re going to be a great homemaker. And that’s the best career a woman can have.

    Women have lots of choices in life, but they don’t have to kill themselves in the job market the way men do. Often an ideal solution is for a wife to help her husband with his business so that he’s more successful for the whole family.

  66. @Steve Sailer
    she is keeping the door open for eventual return to country as she ages

    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.

    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.

    Yup. A few folks rant and rave about her refusal to lead the Trump Resistance.

    I am reminded of the careers of John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

    John and Yoko decided to lead the Nixon Resistance. The two of them never had a #1 hit together while John was still alive. John’s life was pretty much destroyed, then he was assassinated.

    Paul and Linda were much quieter about their politics, had some #1 hits. Paul’s life went pretty well, and he was knighted.

    Maybe Taylor Swift would rather follow Paul’s footsteps than John’s

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    John Lennon:

    "Whatever Gets You Through the Night" (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    "Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to "The Songs are Mine" after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)
  67. They don’t regret one bit getting the roles. Likely they would do the same thing again if they had it to do over – with some principled exceptions. They’re happy for the careers the compromises enabled. But, hey, the opportunity has arisen for payback, and payback is a bitch.

  68. @ic1000
    Strong lead-off comment, anon. Maybe you could clarify something --

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand?
     
    It may be obvious to me that that's a main subtext, but it's not what I am seeing or hearing, and it's certainly not part of #MeToo. "Women are victims of beastly domineering white males (if some aren't white or aren't even particularly beastly, that just proves the point)".

    Which celebrities have stated that it was a pretty ugly scene back in their 20s, and that they compromised and did things (eg slept with powerful alpha creeps) that they would rather not have done, because that's the price that their career advancement demanded? I don't follow this closely, but I can't name anybody who's confessed to succumbing to temptation, rather than resisting.

    Read a thing by some blonde that Lauer banged while she was in her mid twenties. She admits it was totally consensual, that she was leaving for another job she already had and so wasn’t a case of power and career pay for play… but STILL she insists she was the victim, because he didn’t love her, he used her for sex. Sorry, that is not rape or harassment. It hurts, but folks are used and rejected and have heart ache all the time. You don’t become special and the guy becomes a predator instead of an ex just because he was famous.

    Same with one of Hoffman’s accusers… he fingered her, she says it was non-consensual aka rape…though she didn’t object… he gave her $20 and “instructed her” (feel the rapey coercion!) to take a cab to his place. So she DID, then fucked him. She weirdly says the fingering was rape but the fucking for which it was foreplay was consensual. What? And I am reading more and more of these “I was floating” ” I was out of my body” “I was in a fugue state” explanations of women who gave consent 20 years ago but are revoking it now… I wasn’t responsible, I was in a Fugue State! Bet they got that one from Breaking Bad btw.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Grandma used to slap guys and yell, "Fresh!" if they tried something she didn't want. Great Grandma jabbed them with her hatpin.

    What is WITH these women?
  69. @Clyde

    I have a hunch that a number of these women, and men, did a lot to get roles which they now regret.
     
    "You starred in X by Harvey Weinstein. So how did Harvey have his way with you?" "And did the fact that you starred in a Weinstein movie give Harve your stamp of approval? Thus luring other actresses. Making you a semi-procurer." This luring might apply to Gwyneth Paltrow.

    For Harvey you can substitute Brett Rattner, Russell Simmons, and so on. Hollywood's merry go round of sex, money, power. Same as Washington DC.

    This luring might apply to Gwyneth Paltrow.

    Or Jennifer Lawrence.

    Mind you, we haven’t seen the worst yet if I read the signs well: https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/925087205810466817?lang=en

  70. @Anon
    OT: I just read an article that Mohammed bin Salman met with Mahmoud Abbas, and MBS told the latter that he had no choice about accepting a peace plan with the Israelis, a plan that is very much pro-Israeli, and that Abbas would be replaced if he didn't accept it.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-united-states-israel-and-saudi-arabia-are-reportedly-pushing-a-peace-plan-that-would-create-a-palestinian-state.html

    Interesting.

    I’ve never quite understood why the Palestinians weren’t absorbed into Jordan. Wasn’t Palestine split into Israel for the Jews and Jordan for the Arabs?

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    1. Jordan doesn't want 'em. The Hashemites are a relatively moderate, civilized (by Arab Muslim standards) regime, and they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason. Those that are in Jordan are a lower class of citizen than native Jordanians. The Palestinian population is small enough that they could be easily absorbed into the rich monarchies of the Arabian peninsula, but they don't want them either. It is difficult for Palestinians to even get work visas in places like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    2. It's more convenient for Jordan and the Gulf countries to use them, ham-handed as it may be, as pawns to score political points against Israel and the West.
  71. @Abe

    No to me taking a shower with him.

    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.

    They were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman.

     

    You know it’s really weird. I‘ve tried to read this NEW YORK TIMES op-ed like 20 times, but I can never get past the first 15 minutes...

    I’m glad she was able to turn him down—as lots of other women apparently weren’t able or willing (given the consequences to their careers) to do. I expect there are lots of stories like this that mostly don’t get told because “No, you creep, I’m not getting naked for you!” doesn’t make as good a story.

  72. @27 year old

    are women that one-dimensional? ... but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine "iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck".

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There's probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren't readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don't know, that's what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we're basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are "just a piece of meat".

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.

    It reminds them of truths thst they’d rather not be true, plus it provides great opportunities to bang on about how awful men are.

  73. @27 year old

    are women that one-dimensional? ... but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine "iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck".

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There's probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren't readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don't know, that's what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we're basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are "just a piece of meat".

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.

    It reminds them of truths that they’d rather not be true, plus it provides great opportunities to bang on about how awful men are.

  74. @Flip
    I've never quite understood why the Palestinians weren't absorbed into Jordan. Wasn't Palestine split into Israel for the Jews and Jordan for the Arabs?

    1. Jordan doesn’t want ‘em. The Hashemites are a relatively moderate, civilized (by Arab Muslim standards) regime, and they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason. Those that are in Jordan are a lower class of citizen than native Jordanians. The Palestinian population is small enough that they could be easily absorbed into the rich monarchies of the Arabian peninsula, but they don’t want them either. It is difficult for Palestinians to even get work visas in places like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    2. It’s more convenient for Jordan and the Gulf countries to use them, ham-handed as it may be, as pawns to score political points against Israel and the West.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Jordan doesn’t want ‘em.
     
    Right. The Palestinians in Jordan were getting quite frisky in 1970 and eventually Jordan's king cracked down hard on them in September. This was the origin of the terror group Black September.

    You are quite right that no country wants these a******s, and their continued existence is a welcome thorn in the side of the West.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ... they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason.
     
    Pliggers?
  75. @27 year old

    are women that one-dimensional? ... but all women? All women are in a constant state of hysteria to prove they’re more attractive and demean those threatening their self-perceptions?
     
    And, lo, from off in the distance came a sheepish whine "iiimmmm aaaa cuuuuucck".

    #YesAllWomen

    But level of hysteria varies. There's probably some women who are particularly well raised and/or strong faith in God whose levels aren't readily noticeable.

    But yeah, they are all obsessed with how attractive (young I.e. fertile) they are. Because they know, even if they don't know, that's what really matters. The primary factor in their SMV sexual market value. They get it on an instinctive level.

    Other variables like their personality and suitability to motherhood come in to play only after their looks get them in the door (so to speak).

    A reason #metoo has so much legs is because there has been decades of lying about what men and women are, decades of lying that we're basically the same and decades of lying about the reality of how we interact. And these stories are pulling off the mask. Yes, girl, you really are "just a piece of meat".

    These stories piss people off because, in addition to the obvious reasons, it reminds them of truths they would rather not be true.

    27YO, hours after I first read it I’m still laughing at that opening line. One of the all-time funniest uses of “cuck.”

  76. @guest
    Why specify the travel ban? That implies mere Trumpism isn't bad enough. It's simply not possible to have a good time while Trump is president, travel ban or no.

    I'm going to start tweeting at people who post pictures of lunch, "OMG, you enjoyed that paella while Trump is in the White House? How dare you disrespect people of color like that? I can't even. #worsethanHitler."

    “OMG, you enjoyed that paella while Trump is in the White House? How dare you disrespect people of color like that? I can’t even. #worsethanHitler.”

    I LOVE this one. I’m going to use it all the time!

  77. @Rosamond Vincy
    In The Prince, Macchiavelli wrote, "Fortune is a woman: if you wish to keep her under, it is necessary to take her by force" (also translated as "and if she is to be submissive it is necessary to beat and coerce her).

    That said, there is no evidence that he was any worse to his wife than any other Italian Renaissance husband. He was more worried about the Medici, anyhow.

    I must have read that and forgotten it, it’s as ugly as Vatsyayana’s idea that all women are masochists and the more you hurt them the more they like it, which Burton omitted but Danielou included.

  78. @Tim
    Force-able lesbian sex scene . . .

    Harvey was the MAN!

    Force-able lesbian sex scene . . .Harvey was the MAN!

    He kept his pimp hand strong until 2017 when it all fell apart. He pimped them (women) out in his movies instead of the street, with the same objective of making money off of female talent.

  79. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I regret that there weren’t more gratuitous female nude scenes in films. Errr. I mean … not totally gratuitous. Just enough to add some nuance to the story/art. Just a little added bonus for guys.

    When did we all become such prudes? Classical and religious art was clearly and always considered art. Even with fig leaf. It had a message … especially religious themed painting and frescos. It has a lot to recommend itself even now. Realistic female figures without going to the extreme of using a model like Lena Dunham. Now that? That is over the line and wrong on so many levels. I find it Weinstein like … she is essentially forcing herself on the audience.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    That's exactly what she's doing.
    One problem with Dunham isn't just the weight--it's the lack of differentiation between hip and waist. The fashionable bust size has varied, but from ancient Greek statuary through decades of Hollywood, the preferred waist-hip ratio is around .7, or less. Many men will even prefer a woman who is slightly overweight but has that ratio to an average or slender woman with a ratio of .8 or .9. Even Rubens' cushiony models had discernible waists. Marilyn Monroe's ratio was closer to .6.

    Why is this important? Because that rectangular shape is MASCULINE. And our self-styled spokeswoman for Feminism isn't, in fact, in possession of a womanly body. Visible hips indicate childbearing potential, and Dunham has already said she wishes she'd had an abortion so she could relate to women who have. See Lewis' Screwtape Letters for his take on fads in body type.

    Dunham has been photographed in outfits and makeup where she looked comparatively well. These occasions are RARE, because she wishes them to be rare. Unlike most actresses, even character actresses not usually cast in "pretty" roles, she does not try look as good as possible on the red carpet or other occasions when she need not look unattractive for a part. Even older actresses long past their babe years will wrestle into a corset and slap on some powder for an award show, but Dunham deliberately hurls her lumpy, dough-faced self at the public, and dares them to be antifeminist enough to bodyshame her. It's her way of telling the world, "Shove it." It's also her way of simultaneously demanding the adulation of a sex symbol, scolding the public for narrow-minded beauty standards if she does not get it, and having the opportunity to pounce on the patriarchy for trying to exploit her, if she does.

    I don't know if the last has ever happened.

  80. @Anonymous
    Is Hayek's face the result of plastic surgery?

    “Is Hayek’s face the result of plastic surgery?”

    Probably. And what of what’s 1-2 ft farther south? Definitely.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Well someone has done some fantastic work there, really first class.
  81. @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    I don’t understand. Why didn’t he just write it down? That’s what musical notation is for.BTW, Hoyt Axton wrote “The No No Song.”

  82. always did kinda wonder what happened to Mira Sorvino….

    Just seeing this after I awoke, I burst out crying. There it is, confirmation that Harvey Weinstein derailed my career, something I suspected but was unsure. Thank you Peter Jackson for being honest. I’m just heartsick

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Mira Sorvino should get some hazard pay for having acted in films associated with Harvey Weinstein and Woody Allen, or at least more soap to wash off the stench.
    , @Anonymous

    "I recall Miramax telling us they were a nightmare to work with and we should avoid them at all costs. This was probably in 1998," Jackson said.

    "At the time, we had no reason to question what these guys were telling us - but in hindsight, I realise that this was very likely the Miramax smear campaign in full swing.

    "I now suspect we were fed false information about both of these talented women - and as a direct result their names were removed from our casting list."

    Jackson said Weinstein and his brother, Bob, were both particularly difficult to work with.

    "My experience, when Miramax controlled the Lord of the Rings [before New Line took over production of the film], was of Weinstein and his brother behaving like second-rate Mafia bullies. They weren't the type of guys I wanted to work with - so I haven't," he said.
     
    But Tarantino had no issues with them...?
    , @Steve Sailer
    I knew a movie director who was very happy to get recent Oscar winner Mira Sorvino for his modestly budgeted movie. Perhaps his good fortune was related to Miss Sorvino's ill fortune in being subjected to Harvey Weinstein's smear campaign.
  83. @anon
    I regret that there weren't more gratuitous female nude scenes in films. Errr. I mean ... not totally gratuitous. Just enough to add some nuance to the story/art. Just a little added bonus for guys.

    When did we all become such prudes? Classical and religious art was clearly and always considered art. Even with fig leaf. It had a message ... especially religious themed painting and frescos. It has a lot to recommend itself even now. Realistic female figures without going to the extreme of using a model like Lena Dunham. Now that? That is over the line and wrong on so many levels. I find it Weinstein like ... she is essentially forcing herself on the audience.

    That’s exactly what she’s doing.
    One problem with Dunham isn’t just the weight–it’s the lack of differentiation between hip and waist. The fashionable bust size has varied, but from ancient Greek statuary through decades of Hollywood, the preferred waist-hip ratio is around .7, or less. Many men will even prefer a woman who is slightly overweight but has that ratio to an average or slender woman with a ratio of .8 or .9. Even Rubens’ cushiony models had discernible waists. Marilyn Monroe’s ratio was closer to .6.

    Why is this important? Because that rectangular shape is MASCULINE. And our self-styled spokeswoman for Feminism isn’t, in fact, in possession of a womanly body. Visible hips indicate childbearing potential, and Dunham has already said she wishes she’d had an abortion so she could relate to women who have. See Lewis’ Screwtape Letters for his take on fads in body type.

    Dunham has been photographed in outfits and makeup where she looked comparatively well. These occasions are RARE, because she wishes them to be rare. Unlike most actresses, even character actresses not usually cast in “pretty” roles, she does not try look as good as possible on the red carpet or other occasions when she need not look unattractive for a part. Even older actresses long past their babe years will wrestle into a corset and slap on some powder for an award show, but Dunham deliberately hurls her lumpy, dough-faced self at the public, and dares them to be antifeminist enough to bodyshame her. It’s her way of telling the world, “Shove it.” It’s also her way of simultaneously demanding the adulation of a sex symbol, scolding the public for narrow-minded beauty standards if she does not get it, and having the opportunity to pounce on the patriarchy for trying to exploit her, if she does.

    I don’t know if the last has ever happened.

  84. @Paleo Liberal
    That would be smart, and one thing you can say for sure about Taylor Swift is that she is smart about her career.


    Yup. A few folks rant and rave about her refusal to lead the Trump Resistance.

    I am reminded of the careers of John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

    John and Yoko decided to lead the Nixon Resistance. The two of them never had a #1 hit together while John was still alive. John's life was pretty much destroyed, then he was assassinated.

    Paul and Linda were much quieter about their politics, had some #1 hits. Paul's life went pretty well, and he was knighted.

    Maybe Taylor Swift would rather follow Paul's footsteps than John's

    John Lennon:

    “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    “Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to “The Songs are Mine” after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    John Lennon:

    “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    With Elton John, during his "break" with Yoko Ono


    “Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Those last two hit the peaks after he died,



    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.


    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to “The Songs are Mine” after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    I actually prefer Lennon's solo stuff to McCartney's for the most part. I do think Imagine is John's most overrated song. There were better songs on the same album (Give Me Some Truth, How Do You Sleep, for example, were great songs with incredible guitar work by George Harrison. True, Band on the Run or Live and Let Die were better than most of Lennon's songs. However, Paul wrote quite a bit of crap, while Lennon had a better great song/crap ratio. Songs like Working Class Hero and Woman is the N****r of the World were not really meant for the top 20. The latter song worked only because Lennon had an incredible voice and could make the song sound good.

    I disagree with you about a few things. I thought Say, Say, Say was a better song than Ebony and Ivory. Just my preference.

    Yes, you are correct. To SOME extent I agree with his ideas. I am a left-winger, I despised Nixon, I was anti-war, anti-racism and anti-sexism.

    My main point is John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism. I don't think Taylor Swift is willing to pay that price.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    You left out "Jet," which is an awesome loud song. Paul could go thrash-metal when he wanted to.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre"

    Maybe Paul followed his heart too, his heart turned in a different direction (though what about "Give Ireland Back To The Irish"? Pity he didn't follow up with "And England Back To The English". ) . But he just seems to be a more stable character than John was.

    A few years back Paul was reading from one of his books at the Hay Festival, my wife and three of her female friends went.

    "You could have bottled the estrogen in the theatre".
  85. @Joe regular dude guy
    Read a thing by some blonde that Lauer banged while she was in her mid twenties. She admits it was totally consensual, that she was leaving for another job she already had and so wasn't a case of power and career pay for play... but STILL she insists she was the victim, because he didn't love her, he used her for sex. Sorry, that is not rape or harassment. It hurts, but folks are used and rejected and have heart ache all the time. You don't become special and the guy becomes a predator instead of an ex just because he was famous.

    Same with one of Hoffman's accusers... he fingered her, she says it was non-consensual aka rape...though she didn't object... he gave her $20 and "instructed her" (feel the rapey coercion!) to take a cab to his place. So she DID, then fucked him. She weirdly says the fingering was rape but the fucking for which it was foreplay was consensual. What? And I am reading more and more of these "I was floating" " I was out of my body" "I was in a fugue state" explanations of women who gave consent 20 years ago but are revoking it now... I wasn't responsible, I was in a Fugue State! Bet they got that one from Breaking Bad btw.

    Grandma used to slap guys and yell, “Fresh!” if they tried something she didn’t want. Great Grandma jabbed them with her hatpin.

    What is WITH these women?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Because feminism isn't about female empowerment, it's about the unaccountable god-State riding women into totalitarian possession of formerly Constitutional territories. The government is here to solve all your problems. Women such as you describe have no need for government like that.
    "Public health" is actually the same thing: hence, all gun owners are crazy as a function of being gun owners, tobacco ordinances give us the right to search your rooms and partially limit what you do in your own bedroom, hate speech is both violently criminal and proof of madness.
  86. it wasn’t that long ago that everyone understood that actresses were generally considered prostitutes…literally…everyone knew that…it is still more or less the case…these women give sex for roles…generally speaking…

  87. “I like to smoke and drink and to ball, but most of all I like to talk about me…”
    Old Soft Machine song, Hope For Happiness.

  88. @Rosamond Vincy
    Grandma used to slap guys and yell, "Fresh!" if they tried something she didn't want. Great Grandma jabbed them with her hatpin.

    What is WITH these women?

    Because feminism isn’t about female empowerment, it’s about the unaccountable god-State riding women into totalitarian possession of formerly Constitutional territories. The government is here to solve all your problems. Women such as you describe have no need for government like that.
    “Public health” is actually the same thing: hence, all gun owners are crazy as a function of being gun owners, tobacco ordinances give us the right to search your rooms and partially limit what you do in your own bedroom, hate speech is both violently criminal and proof of madness.

  89. @ic1000
    Strong lead-off comment, anon. Maybe you could clarify something --

    The consistent theme is one of women with artistic/media pretensions looking back at their early 20s and telling everyone that it was a pretty ugly scene, one in which they compromised a lot and did things they would rather have not done. Why is that so difficult to appreciate or understand?
     
    It may be obvious to me that that's a main subtext, but it's not what I am seeing or hearing, and it's certainly not part of #MeToo. "Women are victims of beastly domineering white males (if some aren't white or aren't even particularly beastly, that just proves the point)".

    Which celebrities have stated that it was a pretty ugly scene back in their 20s, and that they compromised and did things (eg slept with powerful alpha creeps) that they would rather not have done, because that's the price that their career advancement demanded? I don't follow this closely, but I can't name anybody who's confessed to succumbing to temptation, rather than resisting.

    Compromising situations have been part of entertainment for at least as long as Glenn Campbell’s Rhinestone Cowboy song about A load of compromisin’ on the road to my horizon.

    Think of Hollywood, Broadway and print media, with their fellow travelers, as compromisers, and the Hayeks et al as the compromisees, or just another day at work.

  90. @Frankie P
    John Lennon:

    "Whatever Gets You Through the Night" (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    "Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to "The Songs are Mine" after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)


    John Lennon:

    “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    With Elton John, during his “break” with Yoko Ono


    “Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Those last two hit the peaks after he died,

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to “The Songs are Mine” after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    I actually prefer Lennon’s solo stuff to McCartney’s for the most part. I do think Imagine is John’s most overrated song. There were better songs on the same album (Give Me Some Truth, How Do You Sleep, for example, were great songs with incredible guitar work by George Harrison. True, Band on the Run or Live and Let Die were better than most of Lennon’s songs. However, Paul wrote quite a bit of crap, while Lennon had a better great song/crap ratio. Songs like Working Class Hero and Woman is the N****r of the World were not really meant for the top 20. The latter song worked only because Lennon had an incredible voice and could make the song sound good.

    I disagree with you about a few things. I thought Say, Say, Say was a better song than Ebony and Ivory. Just my preference.

    Yes, you are correct. To SOME extent I agree with his ideas. I am a left-winger, I despised Nixon, I was anti-war, anti-racism and anti-sexism.

    My main point is John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism. I don’t think Taylor Swift is willing to pay that price.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    We're on the same page in many ways, and I appreciate your response. First, I agree with your main point; Lennon paid for his activism, and although I don't know enough about Tay-tay to weigh in on her willingness or lack of to pay the price, I would agree that she is a career manager much more than an artist/musician of the caliber that John and Paul were.

    You misunderstood me; I listed "The Girl is Mine" and "Ebony and Ivory" before evaluating the quality of Paul's #1 hits because they were collaborations, and later when I realized that "Say Say Say" was also a collaboration, I couldn't be bothered to go back and change things. I do NOT think that "Ebony and Ivory" is a great song; truth be told, I think all three of those #1 hits done with MJ and SW are crap. I much prefer Paul on his own than dilly-dallying to make the big bucks with the MJs and SWs.

    I agree with you that Lennon's solo material is far more interesting and preferable to Paul's . One just has to look at the first solo album from Lennon, The Plastic Ono Band, to see that Paul never reached the introspective artistic heights that Lennon did. Lennon never matched that release, and almost every song on the album is excellent. Perhaps this is due in some part to Janov and the primal scream therapy that Lennon/Ono were going through/had gone through, which resulted in Lennon going minimalistic in his production and instrumentation. Mother, Hold On, I Found Out, Working Class Hero, Isolation, Remember, Love, Well Well Well, Look at Me, God, My Mummie's Dead: a list of personal items that reflect the entirety of a human life. Regarding "Imagine", I agree that it's overrated, but its ideas touched many people and it became an anthem. I love the tunes that you mentioned, "How Do You Sleep" (written to Paul) and "Gimme Some Truth", and I would add "Jealous Guy", "Oh My Love" and "How" as other gems on that album. So, the number of hits reaching #1 doesn't really matter to me, because the it's the tunes that don't sizzle on the airwaves that make the solo artist.

    My observations are as follows: Neither of the primary songwriters from the Beatles, Lennon or McCartney, ever reached even close to the heights that they were able to achieve as a team in the Beatles, a team in my mind that was never rivalled by any other in the history of popular music. There was a huge amount of magic in their teamwork, and it had a perfect combination of support, competition, complementary styles of music, personality, heck, everything.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I guess we all have different views, I thought Lennon couldn't write a tune and Macca couldn't write a hook/chorus. Neither of them were half what they were together.

    " John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism"

    The poor chap was I think irretrieveably screwed up by his mother's desertion. He was certainly pretty nasty to his women, like another musician with a similar childhood, the cult Brit folk/rocker (and alleged wifebeater) John Martyn, onetime idol of the hippie and rainbow sweater crowd.
  91. @syonredux
    always did kinda wonder what happened to Mira Sorvino....

    Just seeing this after I awoke, I burst out crying. There it is, confirmation that Harvey Weinstein derailed my career, something I suspected but was unsure. Thank you Peter Jackson for being honest. I’m just heartsick
     
    https://twitter.com/MiraSorvino/status/941689525960556544

    Mira Sorvino should get some hazard pay for having acted in films associated with Harvey Weinstein and Woody Allen, or at least more soap to wash off the stench.

  92. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    Possible Hillary Clinton channeling?

    Little did I know it would become my turn to say no.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    always did kinda wonder what happened to Mira Sorvino....

    Just seeing this after I awoke, I burst out crying. There it is, confirmation that Harvey Weinstein derailed my career, something I suspected but was unsure. Thank you Peter Jackson for being honest. I’m just heartsick
     
    https://twitter.com/MiraSorvino/status/941689525960556544

    “I recall Miramax telling us they were a nightmare to work with and we should avoid them at all costs. This was probably in 1998,” Jackson said.

    “At the time, we had no reason to question what these guys were telling us – but in hindsight, I realise that this was very likely the Miramax smear campaign in full swing.

    “I now suspect we were fed false information about both of these talented women – and as a direct result their names were removed from our casting list.”

    Jackson said Weinstein and his brother, Bob, were both particularly difficult to work with.

    “My experience, when Miramax controlled the Lord of the Rings [before New Line took over production of the film], was of Weinstein and his brother behaving like second-rate Mafia bullies. They weren’t the type of guys I wanted to work with – so I haven’t,” he said.

    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    But just looking at Quentin's innocent, childlike face, you couldn't possibly imagine there was any corruption in his soul ...

    , @jack ryan
    Yeah the Mafia references is very appropriate.

    The Hollywood J Media Mafia is very similar to the Italian American organized crime mafia from the 1920s - 1980.

    Other ethnic groups were involved in organized crime, but at the top it was an Italian Mafia.

    It's similar with the Media Mafia.

    Others are involved but at the top...

    J media mafia.
  94. @Anonymous

    "I recall Miramax telling us they were a nightmare to work with and we should avoid them at all costs. This was probably in 1998," Jackson said.

    "At the time, we had no reason to question what these guys were telling us - but in hindsight, I realise that this was very likely the Miramax smear campaign in full swing.

    "I now suspect we were fed false information about both of these talented women - and as a direct result their names were removed from our casting list."

    Jackson said Weinstein and his brother, Bob, were both particularly difficult to work with.

    "My experience, when Miramax controlled the Lord of the Rings [before New Line took over production of the film], was of Weinstein and his brother behaving like second-rate Mafia bullies. They weren't the type of guys I wanted to work with - so I haven't," he said.
     
    But Tarantino had no issues with them...?

    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    But just looking at Quentin’s innocent, childlike face, you couldn’t possibly imagine there was any corruption in his soul …

    • Replies: @syonredux

    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    But just looking at Quentin’s innocent, childlike face, you couldn’t possibly imagine there was any corruption in his soul …
     
    All this Weinstein-stuff has put a new light on Tarantino's comments about Inglourious Basterds :

    (Goebbels provides one of the most amusing moments in Inglourious Basterds, crying when Hitler praises his latest film. “If Hitler says that this is the greatest movie you’ve ever done, I can see Goebbels getting choked up,” Tarantino said in explaining the scene. “When Harvey Weinstein does that, I get a tear in my eye.”)
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/hollywoods-jewish-avenger/307619/

    So, Goebbels is to Hitler as Tarantino is to Weinstein.....
  95. @syonredux
    always did kinda wonder what happened to Mira Sorvino....

    Just seeing this after I awoke, I burst out crying. There it is, confirmation that Harvey Weinstein derailed my career, something I suspected but was unsure. Thank you Peter Jackson for being honest. I’m just heartsick
     
    https://twitter.com/MiraSorvino/status/941689525960556544

    I knew a movie director who was very happy to get recent Oscar winner Mira Sorvino for his modestly budgeted movie. Perhaps his good fortune was related to Miss Sorvino’s ill fortune in being subjected to Harvey Weinstein’s smear campaign.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    RE: the Weinstein's blackballing Mira Sorvino,

    It's also interesting to recall that she was Tarantino's girlfriend....

    Shockingly, Tarantino failed to act even when his then girlfriend, actress Mira Sorvino, told him she had been a victim of Weinstein's sexual harassment.

    She confessed that Weinstein had massaged her without asking, chased her around her hotel room and even showed up at her apartment in the middle of the night.

    Tarantino said he was "shocked and appalled" when Sorvino told him of Weinstein's actions, but added:

    "I couldn't believe he would so that so openly."

    Tarantino worked with Weinstein on all of his films.
     
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4725900/quentin-tarantino-says-he-knew-harvey-weinstein-had-groped-girlfriend-mirs-sorvino-but-failed-to-act/
  96. @Steve Sailer
    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    But just looking at Quentin's innocent, childlike face, you couldn't possibly imagine there was any corruption in his soul ...

    But Tarantino had no issues with them…?

    But just looking at Quentin’s innocent, childlike face, you couldn’t possibly imagine there was any corruption in his soul …

    All this Weinstein-stuff has put a new light on Tarantino’s comments about Inglourious Basterds :

    (Goebbels provides one of the most amusing moments in Inglourious Basterds, crying when Hitler praises his latest film. “If Hitler says that this is the greatest movie you’ve ever done, I can see Goebbels getting choked up,” Tarantino said in explaining the scene. “When Harvey Weinstein does that, I get a tear in my eye.”)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/hollywoods-jewish-avenger/307619/

    So, Goebbels is to Hitler as Tarantino is to Weinstein…..

  97. @Steve Sailer
    I knew a movie director who was very happy to get recent Oscar winner Mira Sorvino for his modestly budgeted movie. Perhaps his good fortune was related to Miss Sorvino's ill fortune in being subjected to Harvey Weinstein's smear campaign.

    RE: the Weinstein’s blackballing Mira Sorvino,

    It’s also interesting to recall that she was Tarantino’s girlfriend….

    Shockingly, Tarantino failed to act even when his then girlfriend, actress Mira Sorvino, told him she had been a victim of Weinstein’s sexual harassment.

    She confessed that Weinstein had massaged her without asking, chased her around her hotel room and even showed up at her apartment in the middle of the night.

    Tarantino said he was “shocked and appalled” when Sorvino told him of Weinstein’s actions, but added:

    “I couldn’t believe he would so that so openly.”

    Tarantino worked with Weinstein on all of his films.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4725900/quentin-tarantino-says-he-knew-harvey-weinstein-had-groped-girlfriend-mirs-sorvino-but-failed-to-act/

    • Replies: @Lurker
    So Tarantino's whole persona is completely fake. He's not even a beta faking it as an alpha, he's total gamma.
  98. @Russ
    "Is Hayek’s face the result of plastic surgery?"

    Probably. And what of what's 1-2 ft farther south? Definitely.

    Well someone has done some fantastic work there, really first class.

  99. @syonredux
    RE: the Weinstein's blackballing Mira Sorvino,

    It's also interesting to recall that she was Tarantino's girlfriend....

    Shockingly, Tarantino failed to act even when his then girlfriend, actress Mira Sorvino, told him she had been a victim of Weinstein's sexual harassment.

    She confessed that Weinstein had massaged her without asking, chased her around her hotel room and even showed up at her apartment in the middle of the night.

    Tarantino said he was "shocked and appalled" when Sorvino told him of Weinstein's actions, but added:

    "I couldn't believe he would so that so openly."

    Tarantino worked with Weinstein on all of his films.
     
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4725900/quentin-tarantino-says-he-knew-harvey-weinstein-had-groped-girlfriend-mirs-sorvino-but-failed-to-act/

    So Tarantino’s whole persona is completely fake. He’s not even a beta faking it as an alpha, he’s total gamma.

  100. Didn’t George W. Bush massage Angela Merkel without consent at a summit?

    J’accuse!

  101. @Anonymous

    "I recall Miramax telling us they were a nightmare to work with and we should avoid them at all costs. This was probably in 1998," Jackson said.

    "At the time, we had no reason to question what these guys were telling us - but in hindsight, I realise that this was very likely the Miramax smear campaign in full swing.

    "I now suspect we were fed false information about both of these talented women - and as a direct result their names were removed from our casting list."

    Jackson said Weinstein and his brother, Bob, were both particularly difficult to work with.

    "My experience, when Miramax controlled the Lord of the Rings [before New Line took over production of the film], was of Weinstein and his brother behaving like second-rate Mafia bullies. They weren't the type of guys I wanted to work with - so I haven't," he said.
     
    But Tarantino had no issues with them...?

    Yeah the Mafia references is very appropriate.

    The Hollywood J Media Mafia is very similar to the Italian American organized crime mafia from the 1920s – 1980.

    Other ethnic groups were involved in organized crime, but at the top it was an Italian Mafia.

    It’s similar with the Media Mafia.

    Others are involved but at the top…

    J media mafia.

  102. OT iSteve themes
    Weinstein movie rolls on with Matt Damon chiming in and columnists reacting.

    http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a845492/matt-damon-controversial-comments-sexual-misconduct/

  103. @Paleo Liberal

    John Lennon:

    “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    With Elton John, during his "break" with Yoko Ono


    “Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Those last two hit the peaks after he died,



    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.


    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to “The Songs are Mine” after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    I actually prefer Lennon's solo stuff to McCartney's for the most part. I do think Imagine is John's most overrated song. There were better songs on the same album (Give Me Some Truth, How Do You Sleep, for example, were great songs with incredible guitar work by George Harrison. True, Band on the Run or Live and Let Die were better than most of Lennon's songs. However, Paul wrote quite a bit of crap, while Lennon had a better great song/crap ratio. Songs like Working Class Hero and Woman is the N****r of the World were not really meant for the top 20. The latter song worked only because Lennon had an incredible voice and could make the song sound good.

    I disagree with you about a few things. I thought Say, Say, Say was a better song than Ebony and Ivory. Just my preference.

    Yes, you are correct. To SOME extent I agree with his ideas. I am a left-winger, I despised Nixon, I was anti-war, anti-racism and anti-sexism.

    My main point is John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism. I don't think Taylor Swift is willing to pay that price.

    We’re on the same page in many ways, and I appreciate your response. First, I agree with your main point; Lennon paid for his activism, and although I don’t know enough about Tay-tay to weigh in on her willingness or lack of to pay the price, I would agree that she is a career manager much more than an artist/musician of the caliber that John and Paul were.

    You misunderstood me; I listed “The Girl is Mine” and “Ebony and Ivory” before evaluating the quality of Paul’s #1 hits because they were collaborations, and later when I realized that “Say Say Say” was also a collaboration, I couldn’t be bothered to go back and change things. I do NOT think that “Ebony and Ivory” is a great song; truth be told, I think all three of those #1 hits done with MJ and SW are crap. I much prefer Paul on his own than dilly-dallying to make the big bucks with the MJs and SWs.

    I agree with you that Lennon’s solo material is far more interesting and preferable to Paul’s . One just has to look at the first solo album from Lennon, The Plastic Ono Band, to see that Paul never reached the introspective artistic heights that Lennon did. Lennon never matched that release, and almost every song on the album is excellent. Perhaps this is due in some part to Janov and the primal scream therapy that Lennon/Ono were going through/had gone through, which resulted in Lennon going minimalistic in his production and instrumentation. Mother, Hold On, I Found Out, Working Class Hero, Isolation, Remember, Love, Well Well Well, Look at Me, God, My Mummie’s Dead: a list of personal items that reflect the entirety of a human life. Regarding “Imagine”, I agree that it’s overrated, but its ideas touched many people and it became an anthem. I love the tunes that you mentioned, “How Do You Sleep” (written to Paul) and “Gimme Some Truth”, and I would add “Jealous Guy”, “Oh My Love” and “How” as other gems on that album. So, the number of hits reaching #1 doesn’t really matter to me, because the it’s the tunes that don’t sizzle on the airwaves that make the solo artist.

    My observations are as follows: Neither of the primary songwriters from the Beatles, Lennon or McCartney, ever reached even close to the heights that they were able to achieve as a team in the Beatles, a team in my mind that was never rivalled by any other in the history of popular music. There was a huge amount of magic in their teamwork, and it had a perfect combination of support, competition, complementary styles of music, personality, heck, everything.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I think one of the main reasons the album Plastic Ono Band works is because of John's voice.

    I have seen criticisms that none of the Beatles were as great singers or had the stage presence of Elvis or Mick Jagger, but John had a voice that could convey emotions very powerfully. Especially negative emotions. True, Paul conveyed sadness pretty well on For No One, my favorite of his songs.

    Look throughout the years, and see the way John could make negative emotions truly jump out and grab you. From "No Reply" to "I'm Losing You", and everything else in between. The anger in Sexy Sadie, or the lament of the strung-out junkie in the "I need a fix" portion of "Happiness is a Warm Gun", or the sarcastic bitterness at the end of the same song. Actually, there were a number of songs on the White Album where Lennon showed his rage of emotions.

    Plastic Ono Band took all of that to an extreme.

    Incidentally, although there have been many great covers of "Working Class Hero", my favorite is by a Scandinavian singer Jerry Williams. Not as fun as Cindi Lauper's version, but it has quite a bit of raw emotion. Seems to bring all the darkness of a Scandinavian winter into the song.

    Warning, this is quite intense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0zWxTaeBJA
  104. @Frankie P
    John Lennon:

    "Whatever Gets You Through the Night" (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    "Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to "The Songs are Mine" after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    You left out “Jet,” which is an awesome loud song. Paul could go thrash-metal when he wanted to.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    "Jet" was loud, with a bit of distorted thrumming electric guitar, but thrash metal it was not! Thank God Paul never went in the direction of thrash. For him at his age when thrash launched, it would have been geriatric thrash!
    , @Paleo Liberal
    McCartney wrote a lot of great stuff.

    I think the biggest problem with his solo career was not having people around to tell him which of his stuff was crap. The songs John hated were either never recorded or were given to Peter Asher.

    However, Peter Asher did have a #1 hit with Paul's "A World Without Love".
  105. I still liked her in “From Dusk ’till Dawn”. Gratuitous Youtube link below.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Guess who is sucking Hayek's toes at 2:26?
    , @jim jones
    That snake is a symbol of something, but what?
  106. @Paleo Liberal

    John Lennon:

    “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    With Elton John, during his "break" with Yoko Ono


    “Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Those last two hit the peaks after he died,



    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.


    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to “The Songs are Mine” after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    I actually prefer Lennon's solo stuff to McCartney's for the most part. I do think Imagine is John's most overrated song. There were better songs on the same album (Give Me Some Truth, How Do You Sleep, for example, were great songs with incredible guitar work by George Harrison. True, Band on the Run or Live and Let Die were better than most of Lennon's songs. However, Paul wrote quite a bit of crap, while Lennon had a better great song/crap ratio. Songs like Working Class Hero and Woman is the N****r of the World were not really meant for the top 20. The latter song worked only because Lennon had an incredible voice and could make the song sound good.

    I disagree with you about a few things. I thought Say, Say, Say was a better song than Ebony and Ivory. Just my preference.

    Yes, you are correct. To SOME extent I agree with his ideas. I am a left-winger, I despised Nixon, I was anti-war, anti-racism and anti-sexism.

    My main point is John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism. I don't think Taylor Swift is willing to pay that price.

    I guess we all have different views, I thought Lennon couldn’t write a tune and Macca couldn’t write a hook/chorus. Neither of them were half what they were together.

    ” John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism”

    The poor chap was I think irretrieveably screwed up by his mother’s desertion. He was certainly pretty nasty to his women, like another musician with a similar childhood, the cult Brit folk/rocker (and alleged wifebeater) John Martyn, onetime idol of the hippie and rainbow sweater crowd.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I remember an interview with George Harrison, comparing the personalities of John and Julian Lennon. In an nutshell, Julian is much nicer than John was, but John's demons made him a great artist.

    Of course Julian and Sean Lennon have their own demons, which is seems to be a big part of why neither has married nor fathered any children.
  107. @Frankie P
    John Lennon:

    "Whatever Gets You Through the Night" (1974)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    "Instant Karma (We All Shine On) (1970)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Imagine (1971)
    Billboard Peak: #3

    Woman (1981)
    Billboard Peak: #2

    Just Like Starting Over (1980)
    Billboard Peak: #1

    Lennon had at least 5 or 6 other tunes that made the top 20 according to Billboard.
    None too shabby, really, especially for a musician who decided to use his position as a pop icon to promote his political and social ideas. Whether or not you agree with those ideas, he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre.

    Paul DID score more #1 and #2 hits in his solo career, among them his duets with Michael Jackson (The Girl is Mine) (I enjoy changing the lyrics to "The Songs are Mine" after Michael Jackson purchased the rights to all Lennon/McCartney Beatles songs) and Stevie Wonder (Ebony and Ivory).
    He released a few great songs that made #1, (Band on the Run, Silly Love Songs, My Love), and he released some mediocre and downright crap songs that made #1 (Listen What the Man Says, Coming Up, Say Say Say (also with Michael Jackson)

    “he followed his heart while Paul followed the filthy lucre”

    Maybe Paul followed his heart too, his heart turned in a different direction (though what about “Give Ireland Back To The Irish”? Pity he didn’t follow up with “And England Back To The English”. ) . But he just seems to be a more stable character than John was.

    A few years back Paul was reading from one of his books at the Hay Festival, my wife and three of her female friends went.

    “You could have bottled the estrogen in the theatre”.

  108. @Rosamond Vincy
    You left out "Jet," which is an awesome loud song. Paul could go thrash-metal when he wanted to.

    “Jet” was loud, with a bit of distorted thrumming electric guitar, but thrash metal it was not! Thank God Paul never went in the direction of thrash. For him at his age when thrash launched, it would have been geriatric thrash!

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Then what do you call "Helter Skelter"?
  109. @YetAnotherAnon
    I guess we all have different views, I thought Lennon couldn't write a tune and Macca couldn't write a hook/chorus. Neither of them were half what they were together.

    " John Lennon paid a huge price for his political activism"

    The poor chap was I think irretrieveably screwed up by his mother's desertion. He was certainly pretty nasty to his women, like another musician with a similar childhood, the cult Brit folk/rocker (and alleged wifebeater) John Martyn, onetime idol of the hippie and rainbow sweater crowd.

    I remember an interview with George Harrison, comparing the personalities of John and Julian Lennon. In an nutshell, Julian is much nicer than John was, but John’s demons made him a great artist.

    Of course Julian and Sean Lennon have their own demons, which is seems to be a big part of why neither has married nor fathered any children.

  110. @Rosamond Vincy
    You left out "Jet," which is an awesome loud song. Paul could go thrash-metal when he wanted to.

    McCartney wrote a lot of great stuff.

    I think the biggest problem with his solo career was not having people around to tell him which of his stuff was crap. The songs John hated were either never recorded or were given to Peter Asher.

    However, Peter Asher did have a #1 hit with Paul’s “A World Without Love”.

  111. @Cloudswrest
    I still liked her in "From Dusk 'till Dawn". Gratuitous Youtube link below.

    https://youtu.be/txqpLEufGnA

    Guess who is sucking Hayek’s toes at 2:26?

  112. @Frankie P
    We're on the same page in many ways, and I appreciate your response. First, I agree with your main point; Lennon paid for his activism, and although I don't know enough about Tay-tay to weigh in on her willingness or lack of to pay the price, I would agree that she is a career manager much more than an artist/musician of the caliber that John and Paul were.

    You misunderstood me; I listed "The Girl is Mine" and "Ebony and Ivory" before evaluating the quality of Paul's #1 hits because they were collaborations, and later when I realized that "Say Say Say" was also a collaboration, I couldn't be bothered to go back and change things. I do NOT think that "Ebony and Ivory" is a great song; truth be told, I think all three of those #1 hits done with MJ and SW are crap. I much prefer Paul on his own than dilly-dallying to make the big bucks with the MJs and SWs.

    I agree with you that Lennon's solo material is far more interesting and preferable to Paul's . One just has to look at the first solo album from Lennon, The Plastic Ono Band, to see that Paul never reached the introspective artistic heights that Lennon did. Lennon never matched that release, and almost every song on the album is excellent. Perhaps this is due in some part to Janov and the primal scream therapy that Lennon/Ono were going through/had gone through, which resulted in Lennon going minimalistic in his production and instrumentation. Mother, Hold On, I Found Out, Working Class Hero, Isolation, Remember, Love, Well Well Well, Look at Me, God, My Mummie's Dead: a list of personal items that reflect the entirety of a human life. Regarding "Imagine", I agree that it's overrated, but its ideas touched many people and it became an anthem. I love the tunes that you mentioned, "How Do You Sleep" (written to Paul) and "Gimme Some Truth", and I would add "Jealous Guy", "Oh My Love" and "How" as other gems on that album. So, the number of hits reaching #1 doesn't really matter to me, because the it's the tunes that don't sizzle on the airwaves that make the solo artist.

    My observations are as follows: Neither of the primary songwriters from the Beatles, Lennon or McCartney, ever reached even close to the heights that they were able to achieve as a team in the Beatles, a team in my mind that was never rivalled by any other in the history of popular music. There was a huge amount of magic in their teamwork, and it had a perfect combination of support, competition, complementary styles of music, personality, heck, everything.

    I think one of the main reasons the album Plastic Ono Band works is because of John’s voice.

    I have seen criticisms that none of the Beatles were as great singers or had the stage presence of Elvis or Mick Jagger, but John had a voice that could convey emotions very powerfully. Especially negative emotions. True, Paul conveyed sadness pretty well on For No One, my favorite of his songs.

    Look throughout the years, and see the way John could make negative emotions truly jump out and grab you. From “No Reply” to “I’m Losing You”, and everything else in between. The anger in Sexy Sadie, or the lament of the strung-out junkie in the “I need a fix” portion of “Happiness is a Warm Gun”, or the sarcastic bitterness at the end of the same song. Actually, there were a number of songs on the White Album where Lennon showed his rage of emotions.

    Plastic Ono Band took all of that to an extreme.

    Incidentally, although there have been many great covers of “Working Class Hero”, my favorite is by a Scandinavian singer Jerry Williams. Not as fun as Cindi Lauper’s version, but it has quite a bit of raw emotion. Seems to bring all the darkness of a Scandinavian winter into the song.

    Warning, this is quite intense.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @Frankie P
    Yes, Lennon's voice had a special quality that could convey emotion, a wide range of emotions. He was not confident about his voice, and as a result he often instructed George Martin to add effects, phase shifting, chorus, reverbs, echo, and the final result often ended up obstructing the beautiful clarity of his vocals. On the other hand, the effects often resulted in a chilling multiplication of the emotion: George Martin commented that the first time he heard Lennon's voice with effects coming through the headphones singing "I read the news today, oh boy!", he had goosebumps and chills and was very much moved emotionally.

    I like the examples of negative or non-positive emotion that you mention, and there are some earlier examples as well: Run for Your Life jumps into my mind immediately. There are also early examples of Lennon's power voice in rock vocals that demonstrate that he DID have the power and prescence that could rival other singers: the vocals on Twist and Shout are the perfect example of this. Listen to that song, a song of positive emotion, powerful, surging vocals sung loud.

    I LOVE the video and versions of "Working Class Hero" by Jerry Williams. First, I love it because although it is done with a full rock band, he has remained true to Lennon's delivery: low key in the verses, with minimalist instrumentation, and louder, more emotional choruses. Second, I love the little piano riff after the first line in the chorus "A Working Class Hero is something to be". The piano does this kind of chromatic descending riff with a pedal note with the thumb. It's a bit atonal, but it adds a kind of chill to the tune. Jerry's emotional delivery is fantastic. Thanks a lot for that.
  113. @Cloudswrest
    I still liked her in "From Dusk 'till Dawn". Gratuitous Youtube link below.

    https://youtu.be/txqpLEufGnA

    That snake is a symbol of something, but what?

  114. The 10,000 refugee hiring target covers Starbucks operations globally. It was announced in January 2017

  115. @EdwardM
    1. Jordan doesn't want 'em. The Hashemites are a relatively moderate, civilized (by Arab Muslim standards) regime, and they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason. Those that are in Jordan are a lower class of citizen than native Jordanians. The Palestinian population is small enough that they could be easily absorbed into the rich monarchies of the Arabian peninsula, but they don't want them either. It is difficult for Palestinians to even get work visas in places like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    2. It's more convenient for Jordan and the Gulf countries to use them, ham-handed as it may be, as pawns to score political points against Israel and the West.

    Jordan doesn’t want ‘em.

    Right. The Palestinians in Jordan were getting quite frisky in 1970 and eventually Jordan’s king cracked down hard on them in September. This was the origin of the terror group Black September.

    You are quite right that no country wants these a******s, and their continued existence is a welcome thorn in the side of the West.

  116. @anonymous
    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour but he DID write some catchy stuff, including the No No Song.

    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour

    It’s also pretty well agreed upon that he was also the least physically attractive of the bunch. But if you go to Youtube and watch the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show, the girls screamed the loudest for Ringo. Is that because they thought that since Ringo was the least attractive Beatle, they might actually have a chance with him?

    Also, although Ringo didn’t write it, he had a huge hit with “You’re Sixteen” in 1974 (and Paul McCartney either played on the record or sang backup, or both.) Here’s a 32 year old man singing about the thrills he gets kissing his 16 year old girlfriend. If Garrison Keillor can have his entire life’s work sent down the memory hole for touching a woman’s back, shouldn’t Ringo and Paul McCartney get kicked out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for promoting “pedophilia”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Also, although Ringo didn’t write it, he had a huge hit with “You’re Sixteen”
     
    He did write Octopus's Garden. Which, in the current environment, is starting to sound creepy itself.

    And you know what that "Yellow Submarine" was, just like the "Little Red Corvette".
  117. @Frankie P
    "Jet" was loud, with a bit of distorted thrumming electric guitar, but thrash metal it was not! Thank God Paul never went in the direction of thrash. For him at his age when thrash launched, it would have been geriatric thrash!

    Then what do you call “Helter Skelter”?

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    "Helter Skelter" is hard rock. I have always enjoyed that song, and I view it as Paul McCartney experimenting outside his usual range of songwriting styles, a range by the way which encompassed many different styles and genres from different time periods, certainly a wider range than John, probably because of Paul's father's influence and the old jazz/pop. I particularly love the loud guitar intro on "Helter Skelter", a simple series of repeated double stops on two strings, descending eerily while Paul sings his "When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top of the slide, where I stop and I turn around and go for a ride, till I get to the bottom and I see you again, yeah, yeah..." Paul also showed that he was an excellent screaming vocalist in this tune, and in other tunes, such as Hey Jude, which features him howling beautifully in the long outro while the boys sing the "Na, na, na, na na na na" part.

    Great response, Rosamond! Thank you
  118. I think we have enough Arab-Mexicans in this country already.

  119. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour

    It's also pretty well agreed upon that he was also the least physically attractive of the bunch. But if you go to Youtube and watch the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show, the girls screamed the loudest for Ringo. Is that because they thought that since Ringo was the least attractive Beatle, they might actually have a chance with him?

    Also, although Ringo didn't write it, he had a huge hit with "You're Sixteen" in 1974 (and Paul McCartney either played on the record or sang backup, or both.) Here's a 32 year old man singing about the thrills he gets kissing his 16 year old girlfriend. If Garrison Keillor can have his entire life's work sent down the memory hole for touching a woman's back, shouldn't Ringo and Paul McCartney get kicked out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for promoting "pedophilia"?

    Also, although Ringo didn’t write it, he had a huge hit with “You’re Sixteen”

    He did write Octopus’s Garden. Which, in the current environment, is starting to sound creepy itself.

    And you know what that “Yellow Submarine” was, just like the “Little Red Corvette”.

  120. @EdwardM
    1. Jordan doesn't want 'em. The Hashemites are a relatively moderate, civilized (by Arab Muslim standards) regime, and they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason. Those that are in Jordan are a lower class of citizen than native Jordanians. The Palestinian population is small enough that they could be easily absorbed into the rich monarchies of the Arabian peninsula, but they don't want them either. It is difficult for Palestinians to even get work visas in places like Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    2. It's more convenient for Jordan and the Gulf countries to use them, ham-handed as it may be, as pawns to score political points against Israel and the West.

    … they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason.

    Pliggers?

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    That is how they characterize them. I haven't heard that term, but equivalent ones. Palestinians, as well as the rest of the Levantine and GCC Arabs, seem to similarly look down upon Iraqis, too.
  121. @Steve Sailer

    No, no, no, no…I don’t smoke it no mo’….
     
    Ringo Starr tells the story of how suddenly catchy hook for a hit song came to him so he started running around the house looking for a tape recorder before he forgot it, so he keep's singing it to himself. Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing. But he remembered it and it was a hit.

    Then he finds a tape recorder but the batteries are dead, so he drives to the drugstore, singing it all the way, then has to sing thru the drugstore, with everybody following him around while he buys batteries, singing.

    An unverified story claims that Mick Jagger was suffering from some common malady during an early US tour, and went into a drugstore in Excelsior, Minn., to buy some relief. Some local ne’er-d0-well (who obviously felt an immediate connection to Mick) got into a conversation with him which climaxed in the guy’s saying “…but you can always get what you need.”

    How many songs were conceived in such establishments?

    Drugstores aren’t what they used to be. Where is the soda fountain? Where are the tube testers?

  122. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think this” me too” thing is a byproduct of the way alot of women use their god given gifts as a way to get what they want. Women like most everyone want the good life. Some of them would go so far as to sleep with someone in hopes they can get a leg up in the world. That would be the former hollywood way. Does anyone think that Marilyn Monroe just showed up to an audition and got the job on her superior acting skills? I think that expression ” I’ts not who you know its who you blow” was never so true as in Hollywood. As for women being golddiggers , this analogy is as old as civilization. Just look around at all of these wealthy old men who are marred to young beauty queen types. Does anyone think that Mick Jagger’s twenty- eight year old girl friend is madly in love with his wrinkled up seventy-two year old ass? The fact is women use what they have to get what they want. Now many of them have what they want and they don’t want people to think they were being sluts in order to get it.

  123. @Reg Cæsar

    ... they look down upon their co-ethnic Palestinians for whatever reason.
     
    Pliggers?

    That is how they characterize them. I haven’t heard that term, but equivalent ones. Palestinians, as well as the rest of the Levantine and GCC Arabs, seem to similarly look down upon Iraqis, too.

  124. @Rosamond Vincy
    Then what do you call "Helter Skelter"?

    “Helter Skelter” is hard rock. I have always enjoyed that song, and I view it as Paul McCartney experimenting outside his usual range of songwriting styles, a range by the way which encompassed many different styles and genres from different time periods, certainly a wider range than John, probably because of Paul’s father’s influence and the old jazz/pop. I particularly love the loud guitar intro on “Helter Skelter”, a simple series of repeated double stops on two strings, descending eerily while Paul sings his “When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top of the slide, where I stop and I turn around and go for a ride, till I get to the bottom and I see you again, yeah, yeah…” Paul also showed that he was an excellent screaming vocalist in this tune, and in other tunes, such as Hey Jude, which features him howling beautifully in the long outro while the boys sing the “Na, na, na, na na na na” part.

    Great response, Rosamond! Thank you

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    You are welcome, but I, and many other people, do call "Helter Skelter" metal.

    But yeah, McCartney could howl. Listen to him on the cover of "Long Tall Sally" or his homage to it, "I'm Down."
    , @cthulhu
    "Helter Skelter" was Macca's response to the Who's "I Can See For Miles". Paul really liked the ballsy guitars and attitude of that song, and wants to write something in the same vein. Of course, McCartney replaced Townshend's scorned lover's vow of revenge with...kids playing on a playground slide. Really ballsy there, Mac.
  125. @Frankie P
    "Helter Skelter" is hard rock. I have always enjoyed that song, and I view it as Paul McCartney experimenting outside his usual range of songwriting styles, a range by the way which encompassed many different styles and genres from different time periods, certainly a wider range than John, probably because of Paul's father's influence and the old jazz/pop. I particularly love the loud guitar intro on "Helter Skelter", a simple series of repeated double stops on two strings, descending eerily while Paul sings his "When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top of the slide, where I stop and I turn around and go for a ride, till I get to the bottom and I see you again, yeah, yeah..." Paul also showed that he was an excellent screaming vocalist in this tune, and in other tunes, such as Hey Jude, which features him howling beautifully in the long outro while the boys sing the "Na, na, na, na na na na" part.

    Great response, Rosamond! Thank you

    You are welcome, but I, and many other people, do call “Helter Skelter” metal.

    But yeah, McCartney could howl. Listen to him on the cover of “Long Tall Sally” or his homage to it, “I’m Down.”

  126. @Tulip
    Harvey was crushed under the juggernaut that is Salma Hayek.

    “juggernaut” or jugs

    I wouldn’t mind being crushed under those.

  127. @anonymous
    Ringo was the least talented of The FabFour but he DID write some catchy stuff, including the No No Song.

    Disagree. He was a much, much better drummer than George was a guitarist. On their first album, the drums are the only instrument that comes across as professional (excluding the voices). As the years went on, Ringo innovated while George stagnated. Almost all the groundbreaking lead guitar parts were performed by McCartney, starting with “Ticket To Ride.”

    As for songwriting, of course Ringo was less talented than George, but who expects a drummer to compose anyway?

  128. @Paleo Liberal
    I think one of the main reasons the album Plastic Ono Band works is because of John's voice.

    I have seen criticisms that none of the Beatles were as great singers or had the stage presence of Elvis or Mick Jagger, but John had a voice that could convey emotions very powerfully. Especially negative emotions. True, Paul conveyed sadness pretty well on For No One, my favorite of his songs.

    Look throughout the years, and see the way John could make negative emotions truly jump out and grab you. From "No Reply" to "I'm Losing You", and everything else in between. The anger in Sexy Sadie, or the lament of the strung-out junkie in the "I need a fix" portion of "Happiness is a Warm Gun", or the sarcastic bitterness at the end of the same song. Actually, there were a number of songs on the White Album where Lennon showed his rage of emotions.

    Plastic Ono Band took all of that to an extreme.

    Incidentally, although there have been many great covers of "Working Class Hero", my favorite is by a Scandinavian singer Jerry Williams. Not as fun as Cindi Lauper's version, but it has quite a bit of raw emotion. Seems to bring all the darkness of a Scandinavian winter into the song.

    Warning, this is quite intense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0zWxTaeBJA

    Yes, Lennon’s voice had a special quality that could convey emotion, a wide range of emotions. He was not confident about his voice, and as a result he often instructed George Martin to add effects, phase shifting, chorus, reverbs, echo, and the final result often ended up obstructing the beautiful clarity of his vocals. On the other hand, the effects often resulted in a chilling multiplication of the emotion: George Martin commented that the first time he heard Lennon’s voice with effects coming through the headphones singing “I read the news today, oh boy!”, he had goosebumps and chills and was very much moved emotionally.

    I like the examples of negative or non-positive emotion that you mention, and there are some earlier examples as well: Run for Your Life jumps into my mind immediately. There are also early examples of Lennon’s power voice in rock vocals that demonstrate that he DID have the power and prescence that could rival other singers: the vocals on Twist and Shout are the perfect example of this. Listen to that song, a song of positive emotion, powerful, surging vocals sung loud.

    I LOVE the video and versions of “Working Class Hero” by Jerry Williams. First, I love it because although it is done with a full rock band, he has remained true to Lennon’s delivery: low key in the verses, with minimalist instrumentation, and louder, more emotional choruses. Second, I love the little piano riff after the first line in the chorus “A Working Class Hero is something to be”. The piano does this kind of chromatic descending riff with a pedal note with the thumb. It’s a bit atonal, but it adds a kind of chill to the tune. Jerry’s emotional delivery is fantastic. Thanks a lot for that.

  129. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”

    If Jesus would just answer all little girls’ prayers like he answered Salma’s, there wouldn’t be a non-Christian woman on the planet.

    The muzzie jihad would falter, the GWOT would end, world peace would break out, the Christian millennium would be at hand.

  130. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

    Proof that Weinstein is odious but not an idiot.

    Salma’s appeal is pretty much all sex appeal. Despite her Lebanese jaw, she’s almost a caricature of the hyper-feminine–short, incredibly curvy, huge round baby-feeders. Salma actually looks like one of those ancient female figurines–all T+A–brought to life. And then all the feminine pay-attention-to-me drama. She’s the female version of Arnold or the Rock. Pretty incredible and fun to watch.

    Honestly, who–what normal–would want to watch a movie about Frida what’s her name. She’s one of those “women!” we are suppose to find interesting, but are always just incredibly tedious and boring. What did she do anyway but paint a bunch of pictures of herself. (Pretty much female parody and we’re supposed to take it seriously?)

    But throw in Salma whose body absolute screams “i am woman!” and encourages every penis stand up and take notice and you have a movie some people will go see. (Just like folks reading Playboy for the interviews.) Weinstein might have been obsessed with a naked Salma but he knew his business.

  131. @Frankie P
    "Helter Skelter" is hard rock. I have always enjoyed that song, and I view it as Paul McCartney experimenting outside his usual range of songwriting styles, a range by the way which encompassed many different styles and genres from different time periods, certainly a wider range than John, probably because of Paul's father's influence and the old jazz/pop. I particularly love the loud guitar intro on "Helter Skelter", a simple series of repeated double stops on two strings, descending eerily while Paul sings his "When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top of the slide, where I stop and I turn around and go for a ride, till I get to the bottom and I see you again, yeah, yeah..." Paul also showed that he was an excellent screaming vocalist in this tune, and in other tunes, such as Hey Jude, which features him howling beautifully in the long outro while the boys sing the "Na, na, na, na na na na" part.

    Great response, Rosamond! Thank you

    “Helter Skelter” was Macca’s response to the Who’s “I Can See For Miles”. Paul really liked the ballsy guitars and attitude of that song, and wants to write something in the same vein. Of course, McCartney replaced Townshend’s scorned lover’s vow of revenge with…kids playing on a playground slide. Really ballsy there, Mac.

  132. It’s obvious now: You’re nobody in this town if you can’t claim to be sexual victim. Anyone believe those bazookas on Selma are real? Me, neither.

  133. @syonredux
    Department of “What, did you think that I wasn’t hot enough for Harvey Weinstein”:

    Harvey Weinstein Is My Monster Too
    By SALMA HAYEK


    I am inspired by those who had the courage to speak out, especially in a society that elected a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by more than a dozen women and whom we have all heard make a statement about how a man in power can do anything he wants to women.
     
    Obligatory Trump reference….

    In the 14 years that I stumbled from schoolgirl to Mexican soap star to an extra in a few American films to catching a couple of lucky breaks in “Desperado” and “Fools Rush In,”
     
    Let me tell ya, for a princess like me, that was a rough patch.....

    "I thought I was a princess," Salma told Scene. "I lived in a castle and my father was a king. I wore tiaras. I was born divaish." True to young diva form, Salma developeda loveof clothes andhigh fashion when shewas little. "Whenother kidswere getting excited about toys, I would get excited about clothes," Salma told Elle

     

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gcdbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=salma+hayek+diva+ish&source=bl&ots=kC15_kxKsh&sig=8ZoLvO8iAit0G1fB6y6v-pMSO8k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoNXkz4vYAhUH6mMKHQzNAK4Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=salma%20hayek%20diva%20ish&f=false

    No to opening the door to him at all hours of the night, hotel after hotel, location after location, where he would show up unexpectedly, including one location where I was doing a movie he wasn’t even involved with.

    No to me taking a shower with him.
    No to letting him watch me take a shower.

    No to letting him give me a massage.

    No to letting a naked friend of his give me a massage.

    No to letting him give me oral sex.

    No to my getting naked with another woman.

    No, no, no, no, no …
     

    Harvey really seems to have a thing about making women watch him shower….

    Knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wasn’t my friendship with them — and Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney — that saved me from being raped.
     
    Listen, I'm not some Indian maid from Yucatan.....I know important people....

    In his eyes, I was not an artist. I wasn’t even a person. I was a thing: not a nobody, but a body.
     
    Just in case anyone’s forgotten, I have one hell of a body….

    He told me that the only thing I had going for me was my sex appeal and that there was none of that in this movie.

     

    And I'm really sexy, too….

    He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
     
    Full-frontal from me means asses in the seats. What, did you think that all those prayers for big boobs that I made as girl were for nothing....

    “I was getting tested a lot because everybody was older and I was the skinny tomboy… I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles. I put my hands in holy water and went: ‘Please Jesus give me some boobs.”
     
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/salma-hayek-boobs_n_1140150.html

    Since those around me had no knowledge of my history of Harvey, they were very surprised by my struggle that morning. It was not because I would be naked with another woman. It was because I would be naked with her for Harvey Weinstein. But I could not tell them then.
     
    Hey,don't start thinking that I'm un-WOKE or anything; I'm totally cool with simulated Lesbian sex....

    I don’t remember much from Desperado other than her first scene where she simply walks across the Mexican town square, the living monument to feminine pulchritude.

    If you were a boy before viewing that scene, you were a man after.

  134. “No, no, no, no, no …”

    Selma’s secret? She was already a star, back home.

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