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From Time Magazine:

Beyonce as a Bollywood Star Is Not Cultural Appropriation

Those criticizing her are continuing the racist obscuring of African presences in South Asia

by Omise’eke Natasha Tinsley and Natassja Omidina Gunasena

Feb. 2, 2016

Omise’eke Natasha Tinsley, a Public Voices Fellow, is associate professor of African and African Diaspora Studies at the University of Texas at Austin, where Natassja Omidina Gunasena is a doctoral candidate.

As fierce Sri Lankan and African-American feminists who have never supported white celebrities cash-cropping cornrows, white yoga teachers wearing saris and bindis, or other forms of cultural appropriation, we’re here to tell you: There’s no reason to be mad about Beyoncé portraying a Bollywood star in Coldplay’s new video “Hymn for the Weekend.” In fact, her role offers viewers a rare opportunity to see how much and how beautifully blackness is part of South Asian culture.

The Ben Mor-directed video following Coldplay singers on a cultural tourist jaunt to Mumbai received immediate criticism for cultural appropriation on U.S. social media. Arriving via taxi, the band gazes out the windows and finds fire eaters, incarnations of Hindu dieties and posters for Bollywood films.

The video is actually a pretty good evocation of India as Sensory Overload Central, a point made by writers from Kipling in the first chapter of Kim to Salman Rushdie.

One of these posters features a film star played by Beyoncé, and Coldplay enters a theater to watch a film where she sings and dances on screen draped in a pink flowing sari and lavish gold jewelry.

Beyoncé is the hard-working American Creole of Color singing star.

Of course, Beyoncé’s giant blonde wig/weave in this video could be cited as an example of biological appropriation. A joke in the video might be that much of the hair worn by African-American women is harvested at a Hindu temple in India, as seen in Chris Rock’s documentary Good Hair. On the other hand, at this point in her career,Beyoncé is likely far beyond wearing cheap Indian hair and probably instead gets her weaves harvested in Eastern Europe.

For example, Twitter user @nyunouis wrote: “Yikes that video with Coldplay and Beyonce is soooo disappointing…. why can’t they film without appropriating culture.” And @kissmyazka asked: “Are we gonna discuss how Beyonce dressing up as an Indian woman for the Coldplay video is cultural appropriation, or no?”

Bollywood cinema, like any other, has its share of stars who aren’t native to South Asia. Think of light-skinned superstar Katrina Kaif, born in Hong Kong to a white British mother and Indian father.

The typical Bollywood actress looks Mediterranean, maybe Lebanese, or Persian at least.

Or consider Sunny Leone and Amy Jackson, also light-skinned and of Canadian/British heritage? If they can be Bollywood stars, why can’t we imagine Beyoncé could be one?

After all, Beyonce owns more blonde wigs.

Oh wait: Is it because Beyoncé is black?

If so, then those folks critiquing Beyoncé’s role in the video are continuing the racist obscuring of African presences in South Asia. You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.

And while most women in both countries are darker than Bey herself, Bollywood star Sonam Kapoor, who has a cameo in the video, is noticeably lighter-skinned than Beyoncé. This is not an attack on Bollywood’s leading ladies but a question about what beauty and belonging looks like in South Asia.

In fact, while folks in the South Asian diaspora point fingers at Beyoncé for her inauthenticity, others have expressed how empowering it is for them to see a dark-skinned woman portraying a Bollywood star.

“Beyoncé in a sari makes me tear up because I never had images of beautiful darker-skinned women in saris growing up. Because this is a healing image for me,” Shwetanaryan posted on Tumblr. “Because I had relatives clucking over how unfortunately dark I was since I was tiny… Because she’s doing what Desi pop culture still doesn’t for darker-skinned Desis, and given that how is it harmful on net for her to wear a sari, and who is it harmful to?”

So here’s a challenge: Go back to the video to think about what part of outraged reactions justly call out cultural appropriation, and what part perpetuates colorism and anti-black racism. Because all of these make our lives as women of color harder, and we’re here to resist them all.

Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism is that the most heartfelt journalistic extrusions will be demands for how society must be re-engineered so that, come the Revolution, the writer herself will be considered hotter-looking. Maybe Professor Tinsley hasn’t quite worked out all the details of how Beyoncé being exempted from criticism over how she chooses to play dress-up rubs off on poor Professor Tinsley in any concrete fashion, but, you know, Hope and Change!

We must keep hope alive.

 

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  1. Who has the patience to untangle that mess of bad pop music, race grievance, and anti-colonial obsession?

    Steve, I don’t recall seeing you address the following–at least recently–but do you have thoughts on women in combat? Seems like a perfect HBD/feminism topic.

    My question is prompted by today’s Diane Rehm Show, which featured a particularly monolithic performance by the Hivemind:

    http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-02-04/calls-for-women-to-register-for-the-draft-how-the-role-of-women-in-the-military-is-changing

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  2. Those criticizing her are continuing the racist obscuring of African presences in South Asia

    Those criticizing “appropriation” by Whites are continuing the racist obscuring of European presences Everywhere.

    Those criticizing “appropriation” of “black culture” are continuing the racist obscuring of non-black presence throughout “black culture.”

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  3. It’s only cultural appropriation when a white person can be blamed.

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  4. Bolly is appropriation itself. A parody of everything.

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  5. Percy: still no selective service for women. Still no calls for selective service for women.

    Feminists are phonies.

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  6. i’m annoyed that these hussies “culturally appropriated” the internet to voice their displeasure about culture appropriation.

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  7. That was the first time in my life I have every listened to anything by Coldplay. They ARE crap, aren’t they? No wonder Gwyneth Paltrow couldn’t stand that guy any more.

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  8. Culture is about appropriating foreign mores and techniques and adapting them to another soil. When I hear rants about appropriation, I fear people have lost the sense of what culture is all about, and that barbarism is just around the corner.

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  9. Bollywood movies have no originality; all most all of them are just a song-n-dance regurgitation. They ape Western movie plots and Black dances moves.

    Hollywood movie plots copied by Bollywood.

    http://boxofficedaddy.com/bollywood-film-posters-copied-hollywood-movies/updated-list-bollywood-movies-copied-hollywood-inspired-rip-off/

    http://www.imdb.com/list/ls004057481/

    They even copy Hollywood movie posters!

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/quickstir/entertainment/18-Bollywood-Movie-Posters-COPIED-From-Hollywood/quickstirshow/43230990.cms

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  10. Percy: still no selective service for women. Still no calls for selective service for women.

    Yes, but the worm is turning:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/03/465404486/army-marine-corps-generals-say-women-should-have-to-register-for-the-draft

    That’s what prompted the DR Show and my query.

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  11. These people have a disorder bordering on solipsism. They can’t see that everything they do except breathing involves the use of something that was invented by whites.

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  12. Blacks are definitely way, way ahead of Hindu Indians on the victimization scale. The open question is whether they still hold the top spot, or Muslims do.

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  13. We wuz rajaz! No, no wait. We wuz khanz!

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  14. Bollywood itself is appropriation. The Indians took concepts from American cinema and transformed them into something appropriate for their own culture – and that’s a good thing! Global culture is richer and more complex for it.

    But you can’t paint white men as villains in that situation, so there’s no point in talking about it.

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  15. This had always been your most depressing truth and we hate you for it!

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  16. To appropriate is racist, but it’s also racist to be implicitly white. Ceasing to exist is the only non-racist option.

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  17. I bet those gals are a blast to hang out with. Good grief.

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    Sonny leone is one of my favorite pornstars

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  19. Too true.

    Atlantic Slave Trade: AIIIEEEEEEEE!1!!eleventy!!!!!

    Arab Slave Trade: *crickets*

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  20. And now, for their encore, Tinsley and Gunasena will discuss Ashanti’s appearance in the movie “Bride and Prejudice” …

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  21. You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.

    Politically this might be smart. Just as the democrats are being branded as the black party with some wondering whether Indians and Chinese will still want to be part of it, along comes this professor to remind the Indians of their afro bloodlines. I wonder if this will make them want to remain in the black party?

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  22. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie

    The Last Confederate general, ladies and gentlemen…

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  23. As a young man visiting one of his Marxist pals’ feudal plantation in Pakistan, Obama met a black slave working in the fields.

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  24. “You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.”

    The only Afro ancestry in the SubContinent is from the Arab slave trade and is found in certain areas of Gujarat , Sindh and Balochistan . Southern Indians and Sri Lankans are not African.

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  25. A high-ranking officer who calls for the drafting of women should be court-martialed.

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  26. The afro blood lines in India are less than 0.01% of the population.
    And I don’t appreciate my culture being tied in to that of sub Saharan Africans.
    No value judgement about Africans, but the fact of the matter is that India has had far more cultural links to the rest of Asia and Europe than to Africa.

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  27. Speaking of fields, has there even been a black Fields Medallist? Of any award, surely there needs to be a black recipient of the Fields Medal. #Fieldsmedalsowhite

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    Bollywood is disproportionately Muslim. But a sri Lankan wouldn’t know that.

    Sunny Leone in 100% Indian (Punjabi). Those of us who have seen 100% of her know. Which is everyone who watches her pornos.

    Funny the writers didn’t know that.

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  29. “Bollywood” is a caricature. What the West associates with Bollywood is the garish output of the past 10-20 years. Before the word “Bollywood” became popular there existed a rich body of Indian cinema and great music, great composers, great playback singers associated with it. Not the kitsch heard now and regarded as Bollywood music.

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  30. It’s hilarious that Nina Davuluri, an Indian-American woman, won the Miss America pageant, but would be rejected by every movie studio in India for being too dark skinned!

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  31. >Obama met a black slave working in the fields.<

    baracky dyed in the cotton demonrat

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  32. It’s kind of interesting that our culture is getting so worked up about such trivial things. As for these two authoresses, anyone who describes themselves as “fierce” unless they are a large felid or a flavor of Gatorade is demonstrating a preposterous level of megalomania. “I am woman, hear me roar …..” Yeah, right. How about I just ignore Time magazine?

    As for the African American professor who, observing that some say that Sharipova is better looking than Serena Williams, remarks: “By whose standards?” reveals a sophist and a bore. Makes you wonder if Socrates really was black.

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  33. Beyoncé is the hard-working American Creole of Color singing star.

    Redbone Rising.

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  34. Steve said, “Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism is that the most heartfelt journalistic extrusions will be demands for how society must be re-engineered so that, come the Revolution, the writer herself will be considered hotter-looking. ”

    There is no social engineering possible that would make these wannabe African feminists hot. I wonder if the taxpayers in Texas are aware that some of their money supports these morons.

    As another iSteve fan pointed out, ok, you can keep your tacos, and sombreros, and rap music, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Us evil white guys will keep Western Civilization, which by the way we built, and all the good things you a**w**** take for granted. Like clean water, reliable electricity, rule of law, low levels of corruption, the Internet, und so weiter.

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  35. Much of it may be, other not so much. I’ve always liked this version of Clocks:

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  36. This is just another iteration of the old cliche that conservatives seek converts and liberals seek heretics. Since most of the SJW movement is just about social signaling, there is an arms race leading one to be ever more strident in their denunciations. For a leftist perspective, Freddie Deboer has discussed this on a number of occasions. Anyone can denounce Miley Cyrus’ ass dancing, but as a successful black woman, Beyonce should be beyond approach. The radical black feminist bell hooks wrote critically of Beyonce a few years back and caught hell for it.

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    Aren’t the eyeglasses she’s wearing “cultural appropriation”?

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  38. As fierce Sri Lankan and African-American feminists who have never supported white celebrities cash-cropping cornrows, white yoga teachers wearing saris and bindis, or other forms of cultural appropriation, we’re here to tell you: There’s no reason to be mad about Beyoncé portraying a

    I just want to live in a sane world. Why is that too much to ask?

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  39. If she’s not white, it’s alright.

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  40. They mentioned some actresses who moved to Bollywood to enter the business, but many of them are at least partially of Indian descent. I can think of one exception though: Kalki Koechlin, while a native-born Tamil speaker, is 100% European by descent. Given how light-skinned the average Bollywood star is, her character in Dev D (the only film of hers I know about) is stated to be only half-Indian and that’s accepted. Not so different from American films, although people got upset when Emma Stone was cast as a part-indigenous/asian Hawaiian (helped along by the movie reportedly not being very good).

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  41. Beyonce as a Bollywood Star Is Not Cultural Appropriation

    Since “appropriation” means or implies “setting aside for one’s own use”, it’s not even the right word. In fact, saying “appropriation” might be a microaggression!

    Oh wait: Is it because Beyoncé is black?

    No, because she’s not black.

    If so, then those folks critiquing Beyoncé’s role in the video are continuing the racist obscuring of African presences in South Asia.

    So they switched from “cultural” to “racial”.

    IIRC, the British, er, I mean, white people, also had a “presence” in South Asia.

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  42. TIME Announces New Version Of Magazine Aimed At Adults

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  43. These people have a disorder bordering on solipsism.

    Bordering? They’re third generation in-country.

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  44. I just want to live in a sane world. Why is that too much to ask?

    Those enrollment figures aren’t going to pad themselves.

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  45. Seriously, it’s b.s. like this that makes me say bring on the 3rd-world ization of the US cause it ain’t gonna be pretty for the increasingly pampered Afro-American black middle class.

    Never underestimate the provincialism of US blacks, particularly if they have quasi-African made up names. For people who revel ad-nauseum in their “color” and how vibrant and diverse they are in their rainbowness, as opposed to us pasty sorts, they tend to assume brown equals kinship and sameness. They tend to down-play the very real importance of facial features and body type in determining identity. As one Afghan put it to me, where he grew up everybody had the same complexion so they used facial features to determine who was what.

    My wife, of mixed ancestry, but South Asian appearance, gets lots of crap from her “sisters” in Africa. Told to go back to her country, passive aggressive behavior when dealing with bureaucrats. No doubt it’s the lingering affects of the white man’s divide and conquer. Simple sexual jealousy or just plain old fashioned, perfectly natural bigotry are not factors educated people think about when discussing or theorizing black anger or surliness.

    Blacks in Eastern and Southern Africa definitely do not like “Asians.” Idi Amin didn’t chase all those Indians out of Uganda by his lonesome.

    This is also really interesting considering the Tanzanian student who recently got attacked in Bangalore.

    I suspect, though, these women if they actually learned anything about the regions they purport to study, beyond reading some dumbed-down Franz Fanon, they’d blame centuries of indigenous colorism on whitey.

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  46. ot

    mr sailer,

    there was a prison escape near you recently. have you looked at the percentages of prisoner escapes vs “race”? engaging in an activity like that has some definite characteristics.

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  47. Yes. I’ve had more fun listening to washing machines.

    The Medium Is The Message. It wouldn’t in that vacuous video really matter what song they produced as long is it was not noticeably out of style.

    Beyonce, a good-looking woman, isn’t flattered by the Bollywood makeup and trinkets.

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  48. With that bit about curly hair in South India they’re going into Razib Khan territory. Yeah that comes from Africa, but how long ago? It could well go back to the migration 40,000 years ago that put “Aborigines” in Australia.

    Either way, talking about that will boil the blood of any of the Hindu nationalists I’ve met at work and elsewhere.

    I like it as a theory, though. In fact, a while back some of my Indian colleagues were talking about their woes with the American immigration bureaucracy and I, feeling dastardly, tossed out the idea that India should open its doors to migration from Africa, to keep the lid on wage pressure.

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  49. “You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.”

    Can we? Can we really? Outside of Louis Farrakhan and Black Athena propaganda? Must’ve missed that book “Soul Yogis”. There simply aren’t enough “black bloodlines” in Southern India for the 1.1 billion nation to make much of a significant difference.

    If anything, it should go to show the diversity of Asia, the world’s largest continent from a population perspective.

    From a scientific DNA perspective, this is debatable. Most of India, including the southern part, would be considered racially Asian and part white from a DNA perspective, or Eurasian. Before about two centuries ago, India had little direct contact with Subsaharan Africa. But it is understandable that African-Americans would want to attempt to appropriate the subcontinent with a “See? They part of us, not you, whitey. Doesn’t matter what you all think for last couple centuries, Darwin had it wrong and we right, so really…Bey is really more Indian than you all, so get over it!”

    Just watch. It’s people like these Natashas that’ll attempt to appropriate China tomorrow. “See? They look like us, and they really are us. Get over it, whitey, cause they ain’t you!”

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  50. Uh, you do know that white people (with no DNA African admixture) have curly hair as well, right? That’s not in and of itself an African maker.

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  51. When everyone else stops culturally appropriating indoor pluming, we can talk.

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  52. I’d like to see a feminist intersectional analysis of Yemenite Jewish Israeli transgender pop singer Dana International’s song “Indian Movie”.

    Obviously there would be points for being transgendered, and people from Yemen who are not Jewish would definitely be considered “people of color”…

    But my guess is that the Jewish and certainly the Israeli part would cancel all that out and this would be seen as terribly appropriative.

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  53. I love how these anti-racists use racialist terms such as ‘bloodlines’ and categorize Indians as Africans because of their ‘brown skin and curly hair’.

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    The Democrats may be branded the black party here and at similar blogs, but ultimately they aren’t and can’t be the black party for the simple reason that there aren’t enough blacks to win elections for them. That’s why they have a sizeable number of whites and other nonwhites in their coalition. The Republicans on the other hand, can and do win elections with white voters, which is why they’re the white party, the half assed Hispandering and the like notwithstanding.

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  55. Wow! That Sonam Kapoor sure is a beautiful woman. I’d like to see more Indian women in American movies.

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    Yes, but if women were drafted they’d just be doing desk jobs, being cooks, doing logistics work, etc., rather than combat. They’d probably just free up more men for the meat grinder.

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  57. Maybe in the moment I am only wide awake but this post was a head rush. Nice. One of these days please Steve please explain how exactly you run down the web realm. Time Magazine? Pish, time out of mind. I’ll say this, you’ve won my trust to monitor the cultural comprehensively, because its about been you and google news if not a book for many moons for me.

    DFW assumed that role as a duty himself, monitoring the culture he could not stand, what he called frightening and hilarious at the same time was his addiction, so he said. Lol. From one to the next I guess, teachers of mine I mean.

    I had totally forgotten the term cultural appropriation. Come to think its a great example of how women cannot be trusted to coin terms. I think that principle suggests what I’ve been calling the ability to read in three dimensions. They mean to call their enemies cultural counterfeiters, but such feminine impetuous haste makes them think under passion that what they did not lose has been stolen, so they say appropriate, and lets not forget fierce.

    But then, to see why we don’t say counterfeit when we say plagiarist returns us truly to cultural appropriation. Because much cultural is lost, or slowing losing—unless there are guardians, maybe whose name even means vigilant. Do you know what I mean, Steve?

    On the tenor of that note, I sometimes wonder is my purpose already possessed, right here in my pocket as it were. Spinoza’s Ethics , 1677—the definitive solution to the great open question: “And something of the mind remains eternal after the body has been destroyed.” How could those words fit and not flat contradict, outright offend the whole mission of that lexical geometrical proof? They could never say. Ha! Prof. Leventhal shook my hand well, til it was reclaimed. But woe is me, who else will ever know?

    Sike. I love secrets. And their silent communion with the dead.

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  58. Come on, give them credit for their own dance moves. The video below is pretty cool, with the Indian choreography, costumes, and architecture.

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  59. Isn’t just the top 2 or 3 male actors and a few others who are Muslim but the vast majority of females and others are non Muslim?

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  60. Drafting women is consistent with opening combat arms jobs to them. Though with the sorts of bulls*t wars we’ve been fighting this century, combat support gets blown up too.

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  61. On the other hand, at this point in her career,Beyoncé is likely far beyond wearing cheap Indian hair and probably instead gets her weaves harvested in Eastern Europe

    Surely this is racist towards Indians and their “cheap” hair, and if being racist to white people were possible in these people’s worlds, the word “harvesting” is pretty “problematic” as it conjures up sci-fi, dystopian imagery.

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  62. “Maybe Professor Tinsley hasn’t quite worked out all the details of how Beyoncé being exempted from criticism over how she chooses to play dress-up rubs off on poor Professor Tinsley”

    It’s just a general principle that ‘black women are not to be criticised’.

    Of course the whole concept of ‘cultural appropriation’ as a bad thing is utterly foul, whether from a Nazi advocating cultural purity, or in this case just another way to be anti-white, hence not applicable to ‘black’ Beyonce.

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  63. iEsteban, I’m suprised that with your Danny Paddy Moynihan fetish you didn’t use this chance to bring up the Indophilec pop “career” of Daniel Patrick’s daughter (and Caroline “Yunno” Kennedy posse member), Maura Moynihan (Harvard ’80). This viddy HERE makes Coldplay and Ms. Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter look like culturo banditos! This is a woman truly in tune with the ethos of the east.

    She even has previous experience as Hiberno-Hindi hitmaker! From the August 2, 1996 edition of your NY Daily News:

    INDIA HAS MAURA TO GIVE THANKS FOR Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s daughter has changed like a chameleon again. Maura Moynihan is now a pop star in India. She has released “Chakra Chant” and “Injie Party” in the 650-million strong nation, and they have zoomed to the top of the charts. Maura has been a comedian, a singer (Maura and the Mystics), a cable TV producer and, of all things, a gossip columnist. During her divorce from Richard Avedon’s son, John, a follower of the Dalai Lama, rumors surfaced that she was dating George Stephanopoulos (she denied any liaison). Word is she didn’t get much of a settlement. She did get custody of the couple’s son, who is staying with his father while mom is back in India, where she spent her youth when dad was ambassador there. Sen. Moynihan’s office claimed to be unaware of Maura’s newfound success.

    ¡Madre di Krishna! Can’t a desi catch a break?

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    You’re replying to a man who has named himself International Jew

    He may be aware of the presence of curly hair on non-african heads

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  65. Most of the gesticulations I’ve seen in their dance numbers is copied from White and Black western artists.
    Bollywood epitomizes the phrase quality over quantity ; they like to boast how they make more movies per year than anyone else.
    It’s telling isn’t it that it took a White guy to produce an Indian movie (Slumdog Millionaire) that received critical appraise.

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  66. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WteF0j5gYGk

    I prefer the parody.

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  67. blacks do, without doubt.

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    An interesting HBD observation is that the Sri Lankan student Natassja Omidina Gunasena looks very much “black”. Mulatto or quadroon.

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  69. APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
    APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATE!
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    People like this are using the word ‘appropriate’ as a politer form of the word ‘steal’.’ Whitey is stealing our stuff’ they say even as they use things like cellphones and computers. Make a deal, quit stealing our stuff and go back to mud huts and we’ll give up whatever is theirs, whatever that might be. Beyonce is an imitation white woman which is one of the main reasons she’s popular.

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  71. Steve,

    The author appears to argue that the cultural appropriation is acceptable because of the influence African culture has to South Asian culture.

    Under this logic, I would think it is impossible to accuse anyone of English descent of cultural appropriation, seeing how they held influence over nearly every corner of the globe at one point in time.

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  72. Indeed, the “African presences in South Asia” was overwhelmingly as slaves. Mind you, you gotta admire the cheek of someone of African descent trying to appropriate all the dark skins in the world.

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  73. …to see how much and how beautifully blackness is part of South Asian culture.

    You mean like in this news report from two days ago?

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/030216/bengaluru-mob-strips-tanzanian-girl-torch-her-car-as-police-watch.html

    Seriously, though, there is a small community of Africans in India’s Maharashtra State. A prominent Greco-Roman Indian wrestler of a few years ago, Agnail Negro belonged to that community which appears to be at least some two hundred years old. Another similar group lives in Sindh Province in Pakistan.

    This is more Razib’s territory, but in India’s Kerala state in the extreme southwest corner, many of the locals do look kinda like Somalis or Amhara/Ethiopic in appearance. Perhaps one of his crew can enlighten us further.

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  74. I guess it always comes off to me as generic sophomore bullshit session stuff. I mean, we are all immensely richer because the whole world has culturally appropriated ideas like parliamentary democracy, the scientific method, large scale industry, human rights, classical music, etc. We’re all richer for the fact that artists and musicians borrow from other cultures. It’s absolutely goofy to be upset about such things.

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  75. I suspect the set of plausible candidates includes almost no blacks. It’s hard to work up much of a campaign for giving nobody (or someone who obviously has zero business getting it) the award. By contrast, there are plenty of black actors who are plausible Oscar winners, plenty of women who are plausible Nobel winners in medicine or chemistry, etc.

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  76. A sane world, or one where you don’t have to see fools being taken seriously?

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  77. This Rainbow of hate is just trying too hard isn’t it? Who are they kidding? Us or themselves? The KKKrazy glue holding these haters together isn’t White racism or even anti-White hatred of which there is tons. Envy runs deep at the bottom of the gene pool.
    Let’s not kid ourselves, its free shit holding this rainbow of haters together. And, they HATE EACH OTHER more than they HATE US. There’s the rub. When the free shit runs out, the Skittles are gonna hit the harsh reality of There Ain’t No Brotherhood of Man, MAN.

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    Karenjit Kaur Vohra (born May 13, 1981), better known by her stage name Sunny Leone (pronounced /ˈsəniːliːˈoʊnˈiː/), is an Indo-Canadian Bollywood actress and model, and former porn actress… She was named Penthouse Pet of the Year in 2003, was a contract performer for Vivid Entertainment, and was named by Maxim as one of the 12 top porn stars in 2010…

    In 2012 she made her Bollywood debut in Pooja Bhatt’s erotic thriller Jism 2

    Apart from her acting career she has been part of activism campaigns including the Rock ‘n’ Roll Los Angeles Half-Marathon to raise money for the American Cancer Society and has also posed for a People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) ad campaign with a rescued dog, encouraging pet owners to have their cats and dogs spayed and neutered.

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  79. “Ceasing to exist” is a form of racist oppression. It deprives folks like Omise’eke Natasha Tinsley and Natassja Omidina Gunasena (Someone’s Law: The more absurd a Negro’s name the lower that Negro’s intellectual capacity.) of someone to blame for their many all too obvious inadequacies and failures. If all Whites were to “cease to exist” it would reduce Negroes to a state of savagery. If all non-Negroes were to “cease to exist” it would more than likely lead to the extinction of Negroes.

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  80. Arabs brought slaves to the US and enslaved them in the US?

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  81. Smh. If we’re going to have a draft and allow women in combat, women should be eligible to be drafted.

    I support neither the draft nor women in combat, but as long as we have these things women should have to register for the draft. To suggest anyone should be court martialed for calling for female draft eligibility is beyond outrageous.

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  82. After a night of heavy drinking in Manhattan in the summer of 1987, I awoke blearily in the room where I’d been allowed to sleep in the apartment of someone I barely knew…only to find myself baffled to be surrounded by Hindu iconography and the collected works of Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

    It would later turn out that I’d passed out in the bedroom of my hostess’s roommate Maura Moynihan, who was away for a week or two.

    Some other time, I’ll write about spending the afternoon cooling my heels at the bar of an Andalusian whorehouse while the (male) cast and producers of a Bollywood picture were getting it on with the hookers in back. That was the actual Strangest Situation Ever for me–at least so far. But waking up in Maura Moynihan’s room was pretty weird too.

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  83. As fierce Sri Lankan and African-American feminists who have never supported white celebrities cash-cropping cornrows, white yoga teachers wearing saris and bindis, or other forms of cultural appropriation, we’re here to tell you: There’s no reason to be mad about Beyoncé portraying a Bollywood star in Coldplay’s new video “Hymn for the Weekend.”

    Thank god these fierce wymyn of cylyr are here to tell me how its ok for a mulatta to do what evil white people shouldn’t do. I was starting to fear that no one would tell me what to think about this video.

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    Or perhaps celebrities and artists (of sorts) are generally quite lazy and find the cheapest way to connect inside their own cultures, other cultures be damned. If every song you write sounds like the previous songs you wrote, what better way to make it different than by being “exotic”? Look how worldly I am, I’m singing in India!!! And since your target audience – or ex-wife – does not readily know who Sunny Leone is, at least not publicly, than why not use an uber-celeb who would gladly be used? After all, it’s not Coldplay’s interests in which Mrs. Carter is most interested in advancing.

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  85. She is 100% Punjabi blood

    Her real name is Kareena Malhotra, from the Khatri caste

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  86. Another full white actress is Amy Jackson – She acts in Tamil films

    The Tamils have a long history of importing fair-skin Aryan actresses, mainly brahmins and Punjabis to act as heroine in Tamil Films

    The current chief minister ( governor ) of Tamil Nadu is Jayalalitha, an Aryan light skin brahmin, who acted as heroine in hundreds of Tamil films

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  87. Actual Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty, makes this “Beyoncé” person, look like dog meat.

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  88. The Tanzanian student who got attacked in Bangalore – She was attacked by a muslim mob, led by mullahs

    The state is Congress ruled and the police have orders not to arrest muslim rioters

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  89. David, Thank you for showing us that war is brutal. That picture made me cry. God love everyone of those girls.

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  90. I find it kind of telling that these two Afro-purity-culturalists have no trouble being named Natasha, although one spells it Natassja. Couldn’t they find some afro-authentic names?

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  91. The Siddi are a contemporary group of Afro-Indians mostly descended from slaves brought to South Asia by Arab traders, and later on, the Portuguese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi

    And I think it’s likely that some of those Arabs were themselves black or of partly black-African descent, and were probably from places like Yemen or Oman that had strong ties to Africa.

    From the 15th century until the end of the British Raj, there was actually a small but important Siddi-controlled princely state located not far from Mumbai:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjira_State

    Apparently at Indian independence they didn’t want to join India but were overruled or finally conceded, and today, their impressive sea fort of Murud-Janjira is just a tourist attraction:

    http://www.holidayrentals.co.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Murud-Janjira-Sea-Fort-Murud-in-Maharashtra.jpg

    To me, “Janjira” sounds like a portmanteau word combining an Arabic name for black people, zanj, with the word for island, jazeera; but Wikipedia says otherwise.

    I’m no expert and I’m obviously guilty of using Wikipedia, but these academics should already know that TMZ isn’t a good source for researching “bloodlines,” at least beyond the world of celebrity baby daddies and talk show host abortions.

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  92. Cultural Appropriation for Dummies: Black Americans minus White Americans equals Black Africans.

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  93. Indeed. It’s not even close. Muslims are still semi-acceptable to demonize because of Israel, and because one of the biggest industries in America makes a tidy living perennially bombing them.

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  94. Are you sure Maura was out of town mebbe she was jess una noche en la ciudad across the rivera at The Joe Franklin Show!

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  95. Have the taken down his statue yet?

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  96. Boola riki hook and chain.

    Wait one.

    “Creole of Color” implies there are creoles not of color.

    How the scheisse does THAT work?

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  97. Some folks, as these two fierce feminists, have too much time on their hands. Lacking any self-discipline, self-awareness–or any historical and cultural context–engage in fantasy, i.e. how the world should be as they re-imagine by means of social critique. Yet, end up at “woe is me.”

    And they certainly lack irony–studying and teaching about Africa(ns) at a Western university. Shouldn’t they practice what they preach: What happens in Africa, stays in Africa?

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  98. Nobody but a handful of dykes in uniform wants to register women for the draft. Norway is the only country with equality in conscription laws, and that came about when feminists themselves pushed it. Do you see that happening here?

    Selective Service– how antichoice can you get?

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  99. Today, in the short term drafting women and women in combat is a chimera amounting to nothing. Wars today are fought with special forces, mercenaries, and proxies. These are universally males … and especially mean ones at that. A women manning a missile control center is in no more danger than a clerk in an office.

    However, that said, if there are major hostilities at something like the level of Vietnam, there will be jumbo jets full of drafted women going to the theater of war and jumbo jets full of pregnant women returning from the theater of war to avoid combat. If DoD takes women in combat seriously, they will have to do what the Soviets did in WWII … and that is to make getting pregnant a courtmartial offense for making yourself unfit for duty.

    If women in the US military cannot protect themselves from rape by their compatriots, how can they possibly engage with and strangle an enemy soldier to death with their bear hands as was done by one of my friends during the Vietnam War? What a joke! … however, to be sure, a politically correct joke.

    Given the bigger picture, women are the “seed corn” of a society. Throw away your “seed corn” and the society starves. Our ancestors have know this for thousands of years. It seems we have forgotten … and are bearing the cruel consequences.

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  100. Drafting women is consistent with opening combat arms jobs to them.

    True. But it’s not consistent with civilized society. As Pat Buchanan said, a nation that sends its women into combat is a nation that is no longer worth defending.

    That photo would be the perfect poster to illustrate the quote, but I doubt those legless ladies would sign the release. A steady diet of Kool-Aid took care of that.

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  101. The Tanzanian student who got attacked in Bangalore – She was attacked by a muslim mob, led by mullahs

    Good heavens, I first read that as “in Baltimore”.

    Not yet, but give ‘em time…

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  102. Chico, Don’t stop posting. you are Comedy Central of this site. Madre di Krishna……classic

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  103. “Mind you, you gotta admire the cheek of someone of African descent trying to appropriate all the dark skins in the world.”

    Maybe you gotta but I sure as hell don’t.

    I was sick of uppity black women long before First Ingrate Michelle Obama, functionally illiterate beneficiary of an Ivy League education thanks to Affirmative Action, whined about how “mean” [white] Americans were.

    The cultural appropriation of straightened hair and “Amazing Grace” by blacks ought to be outlawed.

    Don’t even get me started on how I know blacks love to touch the long silky of white women.

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  104. I realize this. The point is that if done deadpan, black activists will suspect they are being trolled because talking about “fields” and black people at the same time is a potential microaggression, but can’t prove it. And it’s amusing because as you say, there are no plausible black mathematicians worthy of the award and it highlights the stupidity of the whole #oscarssowhite movement. It’s a trap.

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  105. She is 100% Punjabi blood

    Maybe the blood but isn’t there a wee bit o’ plastic surgery?

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  106. You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.

    An ancestral clade all the way from the Congo to Calcutta.

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  107. “As Pat Buchanan said, a nation that sends its women into combat is a nation that is no longer worth defending”

    I agree with Pat on a lot but have to disagree with him on that . The Kurds have women fighers in their ranks. They need them because they need all available hands to fight ISIS , who will rape and enslave the women if the Kurds lose the battles.

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  108. Their first album (parachutes) was actually pretty good, the next good in parts. And then they turned to complete crap and became mega-successful.

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  109. The Kurds have women fighers in their ranks.

    Here’s an interview with one of them. Interview starts at 00:56

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGVbpsGmLVo

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  110. The word creole just meant, originally, to the French and Spanish, someone born in the “new world.” It gradually took on other meanings, but the word for mixed race was mulatto, not creole. Yes, in the Gulf area, creole can mean either white or mixed race. Many of the latter would id as black these days.

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  111. I disagree. Coldplay took the sound and style that U2 developed and actually made it listenable. They prove that sometimes you really can improve on another’s innovation.

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  112. The cultural appropriation of straightened hair and “Amazing Grace” by blacks ought to be outlawed.

    Yeah. Amazing Grace was written by a white slave shipper who claimed he saw the light and reformed himself. When it comes to weaves on blacks, the brown shades weird me out the most. It’s like they went around scalping white people with long hair, like attack of the zombies. For a fleeting, paranoid moment I see a bald white girl (or even young man) walking around looking for their hair, if still alive. The bright red and blonde weaves just look clownish.
    That said, I know of black women who wear their own hair form and have come up with very flattering styles that enhance rather than fight against, their phenotype. These women tend to come across as smart and self confident without arrogance. But actually, the further away from the natural form of the hair, the stranger things get in any race. It’s just more extreme with blacks.

    And desiring a sun tan does not compare to that appropriation. Tanning is a normal change in the color the skin due to the environment (or a tanning bed), and if it’s imitating any race it would be the Mediterranean types, not sub-Saharan Africans.

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  113. Watched the clip. Ms. Moynihan plays quite the coquette in that clip.

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  114. Yes, desperate countries turn to female conscription: Israel, Cuba, Taiwan, Eritrea, all afraid of bigger neighbors, justified or not. Kurdistan isn’t even a country yet. It doesn’t surprise me.

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  115. Bollywood has been taking ‘inspiration’ from western cinema, fashion and movies right from its inception. Fashions in those movies mirror latest western styles from their era, songs and background music are ripped off from western classical music, folk tunes and contemporary popular music, and of course storylines have been plagiarized for decades.
    Despite this, there have been many good and original movies produced by that industry over the years.

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  116. “You can read about Afro bloodlines in South Asia, yes, but you can also see it in the brown-skinned, curly-haired peoples of Sri Lanka and Southern India.”

    There are afro bloodlines but they are the indigenous “adivasi” people from pre-historic times, around 0.1% of the total population of India. Adivasis are traditionally the untouchable people in Aryan Edda religion (Hinduism). Norse Edda is similar in this regard.

    From a scientific DNA perspective, this is debatable. Most of India, including the southern part, would be considered racially Asian and part white from a DNA perspective, or Eurasian.

    LOL ! There is no such thing as most of India. India is 2 separate entirely different countries.

    500 million people are Indo-Europeans (Indo specifically refers to India). In fact, from a DNA perspective, they are Aryans, the swastika being the holiest (and only) religious symbol of Hinduism (om is a syllable).

    The other 500 million people (mostly/entirely in South) are Dravidian, with nothing in common with Aryans. Not language, not DNA, not language.

    Aryans are mostly indistinguishable from the closely related European branch, except the Aryan skin is a bit darker, due to local climate adaptations..

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  117. In 2012 she made her Bollywood debut in Pooja Bhatt’s erotic thriller Jism 2…

    I’m told that Jism in Hindi and Urdu means body and is a somewhat poetic term, along the lines of ‘material vessel in which the soul is contained’.

    What a coincidence that Sunny Leone would act in a film with the title ‘Jism 2′. I wonder if the title was an obvious bilingual pun by the director.

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  118. You are conflating language with genes. Mexicans are mostly Spanish speaking, so they are Spanish…??

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  119. The other 500 million people (mostly/entirely in South) are Dravidian, with nothing in common with Aryans. Not language, not DNA, not language.

    Not borne out by research, including Razib’s. This is mostly a crude Northern Indian supremacist line, originally arising during the heyday of Muslim rule, and then eagerly adopted by the British and the Hindus of North India.

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  120. Deliberately putting your most important reproductive resources in harm’s way (in the absence of a threat that would kill them anyway) is an act of collective societal madness.

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  121. This is completely off-topic. But you are mistaken. The genre of Hindí film music (that is, pre-1990 “Bollywood”) is entirely unique. It is a synthesis with its base in Indian classical and folk traditions, seasoned with elements of African, Middle Eastern, and Western musics. While the influence is discernible, the essence and core is very much Indian.

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  122. http://youtu.be/ktQOLO4U5iQ

    Sometimes the Bollywood thing goes awry, as in this attempt by an Israeli defense firm to market to India.

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  123. There’s a weird split in US media culture. You can bomb, shoot, drone, or disappear Muslims and still be a decent person and even a liberal, but you can’t say bad things about them. You can change the visa requirements to make it practically hard for Muslims to come into the country and be a good person, but you can’s *say* that’s what you’re doing or you’re a racist monster.

    It’s nuts, but it fits well with the NYC liberal thing where you can never say bad things about blacks, but its perfectly okay to arrange your life to avoid most blacks in your neighborhood and your kids’ school, and to have the police run policies that in practice (though not in rhetoric) serve to put a lot of blacks in jail or run them out of your part of town.

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  124. It may be cultural appropriation, but when I first saw this with a dancing Naveen Andrews and the exquisite Indira Varma, I had to stop the cable crawl and watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjOQmFzejc

    I would imagine that a country with 3X the population of the US has a lot of hot ladies, and a lot of them were in this film; you wouldn’t be wrong to state that the former Miss World wasn’t the hottest woman in this group. Gurinder Chadha can certainly find them.

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  125. Don’t even get me started on how I know blacks love to touch the long silky of white women

    Im still comin’ to see you Kylie, I’ve just been kinda busy for the last few years.

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  126. I am not sure about the Israel thing. Palestinians with their unbelievable violence, demographic explosion, radical expansion are actually the only Non-Blacks who get close to Blacks in the mainstream western victim hierarchy. Blacks solidarize with Palestinians, and Palestinians function as surrogate blacks in countries with small black populations.
    But other than that muslims enjoy not as much sympathy. As you say a lot of people make living of making war against them.
    Most important Islam the only remaining barrier against the total victory of feminism. And feminism again is seen in the West as important as the support for african expansion and violence.

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  127. I know white girls who had quite long dark blond hair naturally. but that was not enough for them and they got massive bleached extensions.

    Women the world o’er covet long blonde hair, because all men like it. The other aspects of female European appearance are similarly sought after. It’s such a mystery why Europeans look the way they do.

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  128. To suggest anyone should be court martialed for calling for female draft eligibility is beyond outrageous.

    That’s what mental institutions are for, not the brig or the stockade.

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  129. All the Actors and actresses in this clip are upper castes, mostly Punjabi Khatri

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  130. When she acted in porn, she had a boob enhancement surgery

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  131. http://www.allindianactresses.com/wallpapers/actress-shilpa-shetty/hot-shilpa-shetty-photos.jpg

    shilpa shetty

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  132. Percy: still no selective service for women. Still no calls for selective service for women.

    Feminists are phonies.

    Not in Norway.

    Denmark and Finland still have an all-male draft. Sweden and Germany ended theirs in 2010 rather than embarrass themselves by conscripting girls. (Yes, Newsweek used that term for the new Norwegian conscripts.)

    I’d like to see an amendment sent to the state legislatures that would prohibit female conscription and registration. Don’t know if it would pass, but it would be great fun to watch the debates it would “engender”!

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  133. Well, that’s just grossly wrong. I hate the draft, but I don’t see why women should be exempted from it.

    Hell, create battalions entirely of neo-feminists and send them in to face the mines and IEDs. Why waste perfectly good people on such a task?

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  134. It’s not so much about avoiding hypocrisy these days as avoiding detection.

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  135. Bride and Prejudice was pretty good. Lots of singing and dancing and beautiful women wrapped around the world’s most perfect novel. Available on Netflix.

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  136. Under what logical grounds could the idea of drafting females be insane given that the draft exists and women are allowed in combat? You can disagree with the idea of drafting females but to call it insane in light of the facts on the ground is insane. And/or just plain stupid.

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  137. I’m totally in favor of deploying transsexual shock-troops in battle. Tranny warriors who’ll put both fear and disgust in our enemies’ hearts.
    All -transsexual units to lead us to victory over our worst enemy : bigotry.

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  138. Wigs are as old as the hills. Ancient Egyptians wore them. There were “falls” in the 19th century, hanks of hair attached to one’s own. Selling one’s own hair was a well known way for women in the 19th century to make money. As I recall, Jo, in Little Women, sold her hair.
    German women sold their blonde hair to the Roman ladies in antiquity. Not that blond hair was unknown among Romans. A number of caesars were described as having gray eyes, which would tend to go with blondism, at least in childhood.

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  139. The draft is illegal imo, for anyone.
    The politicians, the bankers, the CEOs, the power brokers, the undead like Kissinger and Bush I, to name only a tiny tip of the iceberg: their bloodshot eyes are trained on other peoples’ children, as they reveal their long, hollow teeth. All the better to eat you with my dear. Girls? Boys? In between. These creatures have been planning on this for years. The thought of death and bloodshed is what they live for.

    As Gen. Smedley Butler realized in the 1930s, “War Is A Racket.” A racket ” conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge
    fortunes. ”

    https://archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.txthttps://archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.txt

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  140. Under what logical grounds could the idea of drafting females be insane given that the draft exists and women are allowed in combat?

    I have a daughter now.

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  141. All -transsexual units to lead us to victory over our worst enemy : bigotry.

    They have less to lose from IEDs as well.

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  142. Well, that’s just grossly wrong. I hate the draft, but I don’t see why women should be exempted from it.

    You hate women even more than feminists do?

    There’s a reason– indeed, more than one– that women have been exempt fot the first 99 years of Selective Service.

    How far have we sunk?

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  143. So work to abolish the draft and/or female combat roles. But since we have both of these things there’s not much reason to bar females from the draft.

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  144. Give it up, Reg. I think there’s a generational divide here, and I don’t think the younger guys were inculcated with the respect for the fairer sex like we were. Worse, the younger guys have had to endure the Riot Grrl thing, the phony broads talking tough and running away at a hint of conflict.

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  145. I don’t think the younger guys were inculcated with the respect for the fairer sex like we were.

    They still respect the fair, there’s just a lot less of it.

    Girls have been taught that fairness is passe, and respecting the not fair (even not fair yet in hopes of engendering fairness) gets one marked as a chump.

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  146. Worse, the younger guys have had to endure the Riot Grrl thing, the phony broads talking tough and running away at a hint of conflict.

    It’s basic game theory. Bad faith has to drive out the bad faith to make room for good faith to re-emerge, which it slowly is in the rising generation.

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  147. “How far have we sunk?”

    Since 26 August 1920? Farther and faster than we would have done if that date had been unremarkable.

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  148. So work to abolish the draft and/or female combat roles. But since we have both of these things there’s not much reason to bar females from the draft.

    Men can’t initiate this due to conflict of interest. If we release ourselves from the obligation to defend, we’re slackers. If we impose it on our sisters, we’re cads. So morally it’s up to women to get the ball rolling, in either direction.

    There is no sign since 1980, when registration was revived (and female registration first suggested by anyone in power), that women are going to lift a finger to change the status quo. I can think of only two women who went out of their way– Anna Quindlen, who wrote a Newsweek column in 2001 (the year her son reached 18), and Kristen Tsetsi, who started one of those online petitions that BO has to answer when they reach 100,000 signatures. Hers reached 70.

    Nature is speaking.

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  149. So many women, so few ladies.

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  150. Peter Long, are you related to Miles Long?

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  151. Believe me, I see this every day. Given the women of today, I have no illusions as to why younger guys would choose to stay home and crank the shank.

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  152. Look at it this way: the draft-law discrepancy is a tacit admission by the federal government of HBD. Why not use that to build on, rather than throw it out?

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  153. Will non-White women please stop appropriating feminism, which is after all a creation of White Western women.
    Also, modern Bollywood movies are terrible. I wish Indians would go back to making serious, high quality films like The Apu Trilogy.

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