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Now in Taki’s Magazine, my book review of Jonathan Weisman’s (((Semitism))):

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by Steve Sailer

LIT CRIT

May 02, 2018

Jonathan Weisman, a mid-level New York Times staffer and author of the short but repetitious new book (((Semitism))): Being Jewish in America in the Age of Trump, is not a particularly acute thinker. But his unoriginality makes his (((Semitism))) a revealing distillation of the conventional wisdom of 2018.

Weisman first ran into Jewish trouble in the summer of 2015 when, as a supporter of President Obama’s Iran deal (now back in the news), he coauthored a New York Times article noticing which kinds of Democrats in Congress were most likely to break ranks with Obama. According to a table Weisman had a graphic artist draw up, many of the Democrats opposing Obama on Iran were, unsurprisingly, Jewish, such as Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street), and many of the rest represented heavily Jewish districts, such as Ted Lieu (D-Beverly Hills).

For publishing this act of pattern recognition in a mainstream rather than an ethnic publication, Weisman was scorched by more powerful Jews than himself.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. DFH says:

    It’s ironic that recent attempts by people like Jordan Peterson and Nathan Cofnas to debunk the JQ have just led to better, more thorough and more data-driven demonstrations of it.

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  2. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Great one Steve, what is to be done?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
    , @Gman
    I think the solution for starters is to break down the black / Jewish alliance

    Examples
    *promote Farrakhan
    *show how ridiculous Mark Zuckerberg’s embrace of BLM is
    *emphasize Jews were slaveholders too
    , @Anonymous
    When confronted with the facts on what their people are doing, some will deny it by claiming they're all over the spectrum, not just the left, or they are only 2% , or, if they recognize the damage, that they are not acting as a cohesive group plotting and planning to do wrong, like the Elders of the Zion.

    While technically correct, none of these is really a good defense. 2% in the right places, with the right influence can have a huge impact. This is largely achieved by multiplying their influence, either through controlling the Overton window on what can be discussed, or by controlling academia and the media and entertainment and deceiving the masses, esp. the young/impressionable to make them follow their ideas. In addition, money can directly be used to multiply influence- clearly visible in all the politicians getting their 30 pieces of silver who step in line behind anything that benefits Israel, regardless of the impact on the US.

    Being all over the spectrum/not acting as a cohesive group, is also not a good defense, when a group that wields disproportionate influence is dramatically lopsided towards a side that is destroying our country. One can make a claim that not all blacks are supporters of Democrats, either, but it's hardly convincing anyone that black voting patterns aren't having a negative impact on this country via the destructive trends of the Democratic party, even when pointing out notable blacks such as Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Candace Owens who buck the trend. And not acting as a cohesive group hatching a plot doesn't matter either, when the impact is still significant and negative. Again, we can look at blacks as an example. Probably around 3/4 are not committing crimes, and most of those of working age (est. around 85-90% based on recent unemployment trends), outside of prison have a job, yet the numbers of criminals and handout recipients among blacks still creates enough problems to make places that have significant numbers of blacks an unlivable mess. No one would argue that most blacks as a societal group are cohesively plotting to create the crimes that dominate, such as theft, rape, murder, nor are they plotting together as a societal level group to tear down their cities. Yet the net effect is that enough of them acting by their individual behaviors which are disproportionately negative, create a major problem for the societies where they live.

    Some who recognize the damage even go so far as to claim that, well, on the balance, they have been a force of good. While it's undeniable that some positive benefits from the Tribe such as some inventions, have occurred, it is not so clear that the white man wasn't doing just fine creating and achieving without their help for many centuries, while creating the best societies on Earth. We may have been a bit more delayed, on the other hand the drag of the idiotic leftist policies on the West has had a huge negative influence on our progress, so it's not clear we'd be any further behind in net. What's more, it's clearly killing the West. So praise the benefits bestowed on us all you want- If someone gave you a bag full of money but fatally wounded you, it really wouldn't matter how much you stuffed into that bag- a billion dollars, $100 trillion dollars- if you die it is meaningless.

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  3. Twinkie says:

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived.

    Goodness. You are absolutely right about the arrogant lack of self-awareness. This passage sounds like something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (or at least a modern variation of it).

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    • Agree: reiner Tor, Dissident
    • Replies: @Abe

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived
     
    Last week Guillermo del Toro concern-tweeted about the gruesome discovery of 3 bodies in Mexico- gang members who were kidnapped, tortured, executed, and then had their remains dissolved in acid by a rival gang. Oh wait- they weren’t drug gang members, they were students MISTAKEN for drug gang members! But, hey, such previously-unheard-of inconveniences are soon to become the NEW NORMAL in our beautiful, borderless, polyglot nation. Guillermo Del Toro and Jonathan Weismann send their condolences from Beverley Hills and Manhattan (respectively)
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    It’s almost as if ‘anti-Semitic propaganda’ through the ages might actually have some significant truth to it.
    , @Anon
    Jews are what percentage of the world population? Yet, all the world must be turned upside down with mass invasion(of course Israel gets Passover rights) just to profiteth the Tribe?

    Of course, Weisman's formula applies ONLY AS LONG AS Jews can play non-whites against whites.
    But what would happen if indeed ALL whites did go SJW? They would side with POC against Zionism and Jewish privilege. BDS is spreading among SJW whites.

    So, it's a kind of paradox. In order for Jewish divide-and-rule strategy to work, there must always be 'racist' whites. If whites were to all lose their 'racism' and mix with POC and just become a polyglot people, they could all turn SJW. Then, Jews won't be able to play divide and rule among 'racist' whites and non-whites. The polyglot of POC and SJW whites will come after Jews.

    Also, it is the 'racist' whites who are most supportive of Israel as 'western outpost' in the Middle East. It is because white conservatives have been tainted with 'white guilt' that they cling to Israel First to show that they've been redeemed from 'antisemitism' and 'racism'. It's their get-out-of-white-guilt-jail card to prove that they are not 'racist' when, in fact, they still cling to whiteness, even if in an implicit way.

    But if white conservatives really lose their 'racism' and decide to become SJW, they no longer any need to cling to Israel for moral cred. They can just hug Diversity to get all the moral cred they need. This is why proggy whites aren't so pro-Israel. As they are pro-POC, they don't need to hug Jews and Israel to be 'redeemed'. Just by screaming BLM or championing 'dreamers', their 'white guilt' gets cleansed.

    In contrast, because white conservatives are less favorable to blacks and browns, their 'white guilt' washing station must be Israel. But if white cons were to drop conservatism and embrace blacks and browns and POC and mass invasion, there is no need for them to worship Israel.

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  4. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%? How many of Beverly Hills’ Jews are “Persian?”

    “But counting Jews is not acceptable.” Yeah, unless it’s Nobels for the purpose of strutting their supremacy. Or, if it’s Ivy enrollment for the purpose of noting that they’ve dropped below 7x of parity and that that’s proof of anti-Semitic discrimination, then that’s okay. “You’d better keep Jews above 25% or you’re a Nazi!”

    From The Myth of American Meritocracy:

    in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

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    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%?

    Ted Lieu represents the whole coast of LA from Malibu to Palos Verdes.

    https://lieu.house.gov/about/our-district

    , @Anon
    So just check the black box unles you have an Italian name in which case check the Hispanic box
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  5. szopen says:

    8 Jewish congress members and they still managed to pass the JUST, demanding the “restitution of heirless property” of Jews. Amazing.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    The American congress is at least 10% Jew, of The Tribe, and 89% of the rest are owned.
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  6. @Anon
    Great one Steve, what is to be done?

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

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    I’m basically proposing a deal
     
    You are not in position to propose anything. Just be happy that they let you collect money people are sending you.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Scotland and France are historically great pals because of their mutual loathing of the English inbetween. Jews (110 IQ) and Blacks (85 IQ) don’t overlap in their abilities, so they will always be pals, but enemies of the middle - the whites, who overlap both. I can’t see a political solution to this.
    , @Jake
    That was never going to be accepted by either side. First, too many Jews harbor intense contempt for any group of whites they see as being even prone to embracing conservative Christian identities. That is the reason that well into the 1990s, two or three decades after Irish Catholics began the move to embrace a 'cultural Catholic' identity that was analogous to the essentially non-doctrinal, Country Clubbish identity of Episcopalians, Jewish Liberals were waving the bloody flag of the racist Irish cop beating up the poor Numinous Negro and the racist Scots-Irish Southerners actively plotting genocide of the Numinous Negro angels.

    Second, the WASP - and quadruply so the rich WASP - always looks to ally with Jews against the whites he/she/it/they/ze sees as inferior. That has been true back the beginning of what later came to labelled WASP.
    , @vinteuil
    Why would they take the deal? Why pay for what they're already getting for free?
    , @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.
    , @Ozymandias
    "...and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles."

    It's in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?
    , @Lot
    An interesting idea. So have you been trying to promote the necessary intracommunal good feelings among white Americans for this to work?
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Ultimately because the coalition of the fringes they have assembled is untenable and will turn on them. Steve has pointed out how casual anti-Semitism has become prevalent in UC student government, something that would have beem unimaginable 15-20 years. These campuses have more Jews than your typical universities but it has made no difference whatsoever. This a preview of the coming attractions if Jews continue along this path.
    , @AnotherDad

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    Don't like to contradict our astute and generous host, but this doesn't come close to cutting it.

    What we American whites need from the Jews is
    a) a "thank you" -- an appreciation that America has been very, very, very, very good to Jews (really ridiculously accommodating).
    b) a promise to stop screwing it up. Stop the anti-white nonsense. Stop importing people and close the border. Look to preserve the white-Euro (Western civilizational) roots and culture of the nation which in fact have enabled Jews to do so well here.
    c) an apology for all the damage they've already done. Ok, i know c) isn't going to happen, but it would be a nice way to demonstrate sincerity.

    And in return, we whites would continue to accept Jews as partners in this enterprise meriocratically, in which case they would do well.

    This sort of deal could only come with some realism on the part of Jews that they've done very very well in America, not because they are such geniuses or terrific contributors to American prosperity, but because they are doing their looting--or, if you like "trading and rent-seeking"--on top of a huge white-gentile, ergo prosperous, nation. Note, it's not like Jews can't create a prosperous nation themselves. They have high IQs (skewing verbal) and have done just this--with reasonable success--in Israel. But neither Jews nor Israel have numbers to actually create the wealth Jews have in America. (Proof by revealed choice. Despite "anti-Semitism!" ... Jews do not make Aliyah.) Jews are very well-to-do in America, because they are at the commanding heights of a big rich white-gentile nation. A nation which they have then chosen to tear down!--and make unpleasant for precisely the white-gentiles who've built it and provided such a lucrative opportunity for the Jews. (Gratitude is apparently not a Jewish virtue--at least gratitude to non-Jews.)

    That's the sort of deal that's--probably for a generation or so--potentially on the table. Jews can admit, "hey yeah we've been treated very well in America and done very well on top of a big rich white-gentile nation ... let's have the intelligence and honesty to admit that and not screw it up!"

    But the window for Jews coming to their senses--before demographics or white people coming to their senses makes it moot--is slowly closing. In the coming multi-culti future the Jews themselves have pushed for, this deal will not be available.
    , @Anonymous
    The issue isn't overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don't perceive as sharing their interests?
    , @Svigor

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    It's a shitty deal, because right now if you grab any schlub he'll gladly regurgitate the narrative about "White Privilege" and "White overrepresentation," but he's very unlikely to give you anything about Jewish Privilege or Jewish overrepresentation.

    And that goes both ways; Jews have been pummeling us forever and we've yet to throw a punch in return, so what's in it for them?

    I'd rather keep harping on Jewish privilege and overrepresentation until they're household memes. In fact that's what I'm gonna do, regardless of any deals Jews make.
    , @AaronB
    You're not begging your masters hard enough, Steve.

    White men of your generation cannot imagine challenging Jews for supremacy. You're the generation that let Jews gain ascendancy to begin with, despite having all the advantage in orders of magnitude more white people with high IQs.

    You just surrendered - and it's clear now you can't break the habit. It's unrealistic to expect you now to change course. You're the generation that sold out to a tiny tribe with way less smart people than you to begin with.

    We must wait for the next generation.

    In the meantime, since you can't write about Jews, even when you're super critical of them, without at the same time adopting a submissive posture and generally affirming their status as masters, why not stop writing about them?

    You're really not doing white people a favor by spreading your submissiveness and defeatism.

    I think we all understand you are too deeply conditioned to change - but stop corrupting the next generation.
    , @Anon
    It's not happening, Steve. You will not convince this people to go against their nature. Their in-group identity is founded upon and strengthened by their opposition to the host, and their one-track tribal mind is too powerful a force for them to appraise objectively. This ends how it has 109 times before, and they will surely put all the blame on the Other for it again as always.
    , @Anonymous
    But white gentiles generally aren't overrepresented. If you look at the data, white gentiles generally are about as represented as their share of the population, or even underrepresented. Moreover, white gentile representation in a particular field or industry generally isn't hostile or antagonistic towards Jews. Whereas Jewish overrepresentation in say the media or academia is characterized by the development and promotion of a culture that is hostile or antagonistic towards white gentiles.
    , @Boethiuss

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    I see lots of people have chimed in already. That said, let's stipulate that the actions to be undertaken would be good one. Even so, let me just say that you still have the same problems as you have with negotiating with terrorists: a lot of the time, there's nobody to cut a deal with. Who does Gentile America talk to so that Seth Levy from Brooklyn knows that he shouldn't be gratuitously trashing white Americans from Oklahoma and accusing them of racism?

    This deal may even be a good thing if it comes to exist, but to my mind it's a significant mistake to be looking in this sort of direction. Instead we should be looking to strengthen our own solidarity above all else. That's what will get us better terms to the extent such things are explicitly negotiated, or more likely, more resources to handle things when they're not.

    And for that, the biggest, most comprehensive institution we have to express the solidarity of Americans for Americans is the Republican Party. For those who are more racially conscious than I am, it is the Republican Party which is most associated as the political expression of white Gentile America, not least by white Gentile Americans themselves.

    Like other occasions when the chips are down, this is a situation to be thinking more about our means than our wants.
    , @J.Ross
    This is a terrible "deal." They are never going to stop blaming us until they have someone else to wrongly blame. I'm not sure that "overrepresentation" itself ever mattered, so this means censoring all anti-establishment policy discussion, in exchange for a peope obsessed by tribal hatreds promising they won't hate us.
    The thing to do is call the bluff.
    Nepotism isn't really nepotism (the implied accusation of incompetence) when your brother's a Yalie.
    No Jew who has real qualifications should worry about accusations.
    And as for whites not being good for anything, let it all burn. I'm sure the Nation of Islam can fix a power grid.
    All Jewish discussions are always obscured by a moved goalpost (criticizing Israel is a referendum on whether or not all Jews everywhere should breathe, complaints about Jewish scamming are a failure to appreciate "genius," etc), and it looks like the point of this "deal" is to deliberately fail to get the joke.
    , @Anonymous
    I proposed to Debbie Harry once but she just laughed at me. Much like Jews would to this.
    , @utu

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    This goes against Lenin's All Power to the Soviets!

    How, then, can anyone oppose the transfer of all power in the state to the Soviets? Such opposition means nothing but renouncing democracy!
     
    Less power for the middle means more power at the top. The top will be using the bottom to weaken the middle. Time to wake up.
    , @Stonewall Jackson
    Tell that schmuck Taki to put the comment back onto his website... I won't read it until he does so.
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  7. @Anon
    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%? How many of Beverly Hills' Jews are "Persian?"

    "But counting Jews is not acceptable." Yeah, unless it's Nobels for the purpose of strutting their supremacy. Or, if it's Ivy enrollment for the purpose of noting that they've dropped below 7x of parity and that that's proof of anti-Semitic discrimination, then that's okay. "You'd better keep Jews above 25% or you're a Nazi!"

    From The Myth of American Meritocracy:


    in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

     

    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%?

    Ted Lieu represents the whole coast of LA from Malibu to Palos Verdes.

    https://lieu.house.gov/about/our-district

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Did they draw that district so there was no one living in it with a less than six figure income?

    I love this quote from his website on immigration:


    “I think it’s easy for people like you and me who wear suits and ties and work in offices to cast aspersions on those with a tenth-grade education . . . But let’s talk about some of these folks with a tenth-grade education . . . I have had the opportunity to meet over the years many farmworkers who have had families die under brutal conditions in the heat so that you or I can have less expensive orange juice, cheaper artichokes, or less expensive garlic . . . and I just want to suggest that these people have given far more to American society than you or I ever will.” - Congressman Ted W. Lieu
     
    Please, invite them to be your constituents in Malibu Ted.
    , @Lot
    50% is a much better estimate. It appears that every single member of the city council is Jewish.
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  8. theMann says:

    Have fun editing the comments on this one!

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  9. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    I’m basically proposing a deal

    You are not in position to propose anything. Just be happy that they let you collect money people are sending you.

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    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    Very sad to see this sort of toxic, hate-filled semitism and genocidal jewish supremacism still openly promoted in the current year. Try to be more tolerant, please.
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  10. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected”

    What other class of organisms flourish when the cell wall of their hosts proves permeable?

    David Sloan Wilson might have something interesting to say here. Oh look he does. Here he’s interview by Razib Khan: https://archive.org/details/youtube-O1MC4Am2c_Y

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    • Replies: @Thea
    So humans practice group selection but during the 20th century various flavors of Europeans stopped doing so.

    I'm not sure I buy the reaction to the Holocaust as the reason the American whites, Swedes, English and French are tearing their lands, people and heritage apart. We used to have each others' backs. What changed to cause whites to essentially give up on existing as a recognizable, distinct people. Was it nihilism & the death of European Christianity? Too much wealth and food leading to easy but boring lives?

    That Jews still practice a group strategy is no surprise. That whites refuse to is like some sort of shared brain virus.
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  11. @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    Scotland and France are historically great pals because of their mutual loathing of the English inbetween. Jews (110 IQ) and Blacks (85 IQ) don’t overlap in their abilities, so they will always be pals, but enemies of the middle – the whites, who overlap both. I can’t see a political solution to this.

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    • Replies: @Realist

    Jews (110 IQ) and Blacks (85 IQ) don’t overlap in their abilities, so they will always be pals, but enemies of the middle – the whites, who overlap both. I can’t see a political solution to this.
     
    But Jews and blacks do overlap.
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  12. One reason is that in an era obsessed with rooting out “systemic racism” via white-counting, Jews tend to be numerically overrepresented in most of the better sorts of jobs (as the Weinstein #MeToo scandals have demonstrated).

    This is a truely grim way of handing out compliments – made me laugh!
    (Great article).

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  13. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish power and influence is becoming a greater and greater topic of interests to the general public. Big money can be made addressing the topic openly and honestly, and big political power is going to be gained too by addressing the subject openly and honestly.

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Yes and No. It's becoming a greater topic of interest to white Americans because of the glaring hypocrisy of Jewish neoconservatives/liberal hawks in the US. Over-representation in Hypocrisywood doesn't help American Jews either. The rest of the western world isn't all that bothered. European nationalists have bigger things to worry about, like the African population bomb.

    What Jewish neocons want is for nationalist whites to display existential hatred of Jews as a race. That why they can credibly cry racism and dodge sober, focused criticism from people like Steve.
    , @donut
    Yeah in the UK they can address it from their prison cells .
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  14. Jake says:

    “America’s main problem today is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people…hatred of other white people.”

    Hatred of ‘other’ white people is the very basis of WASP culture. Hatred of other white people is the reason that Archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell made concrete the Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in making alliance with Jews: Jews got to enter England legally opnce again, with special rights and privileges, and the WASPs got money to keep warring to destroy non-WASP white cultures.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Yes. Very convincing to see how the Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland for five years in the 17th century had such a profound and permanent effect on the ensuing 360 years. Especially his impact on the British Colonies in N. America that numbered 75,000 at the time of Cromwell's death.

    Such men having an unchanging imprint on culture and civilization are giants of history...
    , @Cleburne
    For at least the third time of asking, can you demonstrate or document this interesting thesis? At the very least you have some facts somewhat askew per Cromwell and the Jews. Also define what you mean by Judaising heresy. I’m not sure you understand what it means, or at least are not well read in English puritan theology which besides being very diverse has clear tendencies toward universalism on the part of some (Burroughs, who was Cromwell’s chaplain, Crisp, Bunyan).
    , @Pat Hannagan
    Hatred of ‘other’ white people is the very basis of WASP culture.

    Astute observation.

    One need only observe the ongoing mass rape, literal as well as economical, of the English working class and the complete and utter indifference of the general English as yet another example in their long morbid history of spite.

    It should be remembered that the English do not care about any other race, and only promote one race over another as a sort of entertainment in the tradition of bear-baiting. For example the mass starvation of Indians in Bengal and the like, whilst at the same time the propping up of their war campaign with those very same Indians (I was very surprised to learn the massive involvement of Indians in the Commonwealth armies during that period).

    I think it's just that the English take especial delight when it's White people they are persecuting, even more-so those Whites most closely related, which they reserve maximum denigration and malevolence.

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  15. While endless clickbait articles are churned out on topics like #OscarsSoWhite theorizing that white overrepresentation in good jobs can only be explained by a vast racist conspiracy among white people, the similar overrepresentation of Jews relative to gentiles is simply not discussed in polite society. White Privilege is currently an American mania, but the analogous concept of Jewish Privilege barely exists.

    #HollywoodSoJewish

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    Translation: the Jew flourishes in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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  16. Jake says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    That was never going to be accepted by either side. First, too many Jews harbor intense contempt for any group of whites they see as being even prone to embracing conservative Christian identities. That is the reason that well into the 1990s, two or three decades after Irish Catholics began the move to embrace a ‘cultural Catholic’ identity that was analogous to the essentially non-doctrinal, Country Clubbish identity of Episcopalians, Jewish Liberals were waving the bloody flag of the racist Irish cop beating up the poor Numinous Negro and the racist Scots-Irish Southerners actively plotting genocide of the Numinous Negro angels.

    Second, the WASP – and quadruply so the rich WASP – always looks to ally with Jews against the whites he/she/it/they/ze sees as inferior. That has been true back the beginning of what later came to labelled WASP.

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  17. Zoodles says:

    “a defeated populace”

    Interesting that he sees us as enemies to be defeated. i wonder what my grandfathers who fought in the war would think of that.

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  18. vinteuil says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    Why would they take the deal? Why pay for what they’re already getting for free?

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    If they refuse, then Sailer will write more snarky, passive-aggressive articles about them.
    , @pyrrhus
    Because if they don't take some deal and stop trying to destroy Western societies, they won't get a deal ....
    , @Chase
    “Free” is never free, right? The decisions that we make have costs, long and short, easily visible and more complicated. Things seemed pretty good for the Jew in 1931 Berlin. Not so good in 1933. And if you pay attention, there are Jews out there sensing this, trying to put feelers out there about tapping the brakes a bit.

    I suspect that by the time they realize it was time to turn around long time ago it will be too late. While it seems unimaginable today, history shows us that populations have ejected this group of people from their country before, for predicatable reasons and patterns of behavior. We shall see.
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  19. OT, but apparently an $8.5 bn settlement against Google for privacy breaches (selling people’s search history to third parties) will go to the lawyers, the lawyers old law schools, and four orgs that Google already gives money to. It’s now going to the Supreme Court after the CA 9th court of appeal allowed the dodgy deal.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/01/ted_frank_interview_supreme_court_cy_pres/

    “Despite the class-action lawsuit being brought on behalf of roughly 129 million folks in the US who Googled between 2006 and 2014, none of the money will actually go to them but will instead be split between the attorneys and organizations they have designated.

    It just so happens that, as part of a settlement, three of those seven “cy pres recipients” are the alma maters of the attorneys: cash-strapped Harvard University, Stanford University and the Chicago-Kent College of Law.

    The others named in the settlement are AARP Inc, Carnegie Mellon University, the MacArthur Foundation and the World Privacy Forum – all of whom are frequent recipients of Google’s corporate largesse.”

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    That's not just a crony-capitalism thing between the google and the government - judicial branch, YAA. This is an everyday greedy lawyer thing, and it's standard, as are there any non-greedy lawyers that you've ever known?

    If you've ever gotten a postcard saying you should write in, because, as a successful plaintiff in a big lawsuit, you are owed 5 dollars and 43 cents, you may know what I mean. (It's a postcard, because a letter will eat into that big settlement more!) The lawyers split the big money. On the cases with millions of people to dole out the money to, they figure what's the diff? Even if they cut their take down to reasonable amount, you may just get another 5 bucks.
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  20. Isn’t it all this Jew stuff overhyped? ? I’ve come across this text: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jews-biggest-threat-on-campus-isnt-bds-its/

    Jewish students on campus (for the most part) simply don’t see the relations with their Jewishness or the connection to Israel as a priority in their lives.

    Time and time again I hear from the different Jewish Organizations leaders on campus the huge numbers of Jewish students on campus (at the big ones their several thousands of them), yet the show up rate for most events and engagements is most of the time less than 1%!

    This ambivalent approach by so many Jewish students on campuses who care solely about their grades and professional careers and have no connection to their identity and show no involvement in the Jewish life on campus, should be a red flag for anyone who believes in the importance of American jewery and its relations with Israel.

    Not denying that Jewish activists & plutocrats have a non-negligible grip on US policy, it seems that most “Jews” are basically deracinated. They simply don’t care about their separate identity, if they’ve succeeded to maintain it at all …

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    Future trends are an interesting question, but endogamy or lack thereof isn't a good measure of current Jewish tribalism, IMO.

    The best way to test it is through real life experience. I've heard Jews say many things touching on Jewishness that I can't even begin to find parallels with other white ethnicities. Possibly there are other groups like blacks and Indians, but, I don't think it is true of whites, Hispanics, or East Asians.

    Finally, there is the question of who they are marrying. There is assortative mating. Rootless people tend to marry rootless people. The Left tends to marry itself. I'm willing to bet there is a high degree of hyphenated names in these marriages, a sign of Leftism. Many half-Jews I know see themselves as being Jewish.
    , @Altai
    You're looking at a particular generation that doesn't have the institutional power yet, we don't have time for them to replace the old guard in order to have a different foreign policy. But those 'deracinated' Jews may not look kindly on the acts of Israel but they're perhaps even moreso last men who would feel uncomfortable without 'diversity'. Think George Soros, they might not see Ashkenazim going to the Levant as them returning to their homeland or perhaps as desirable (Who'd trade Manhattan for Tel Aviv?) or sustainable and find the whole affair a terrible crime, but they still desire to terraform their host societies.

    And a lack of active ethnocentric participation doesn't mean they'll oppose ethnocentric kin. A huge amount of Jews oppose Israel or at least oppose Likud aggression and Netanyahu, but they're still largely silent like Krugman, they avoid the issue. And 'diversity' worship is a natural progression for a Jew who lacks of more authentic Jewish cultural existence.
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  21. Dwright says:

    You can see why throughout history these people eventually over play their hand.
    “Defeated populace”. Among many other things this makes my blood boil.

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  22. While endless clickbait articles are churned out on topics like #OscarsSoWhite theorizing that white overrepresentation in good jobs can only be explained by a vast racist conspiracy among white people, the similar overrepresentation of Jews relative to gentiles is simply not discussed in polite society. White Privilege is currently an American mania, but the analogous concept of Jewish Privilege barely exists.

    Isn’t this where NE Asians (and, to a lessor degree, South Asians) come in. Whites finally have a group that does better than them that they can openly point out. Despite what Jews think, the vast, vast majority of white Gentiles simply think of Jews as another white ethnic group, like Italians or Irish, so we either didn’t notice their success or didn’t care. As a result, when SJWs scream white privilege, it didn’t cross our minds to use Jewish success as a defense. (Of course, with Jews screaming at the top of their lungs that they aren’t “white,” this may change in the future. Be careful what you wish for, btw.)

    But NE Asians are a different story. The White privilege argument simply falls apart when confronted with Asian success. It’s why the media – in the words of Whiskey – hate, hate, hate to mentioned NE Asians and much prefer to keep the debate black and white.

    Granted, I don’t think that it much matters. The Gentile and Jewish leftists and the “Is it good for the Jews” Jews got what they wanted: Demographic transformation. Even if Gentile whites wake up to being duped, it’ll be too late. The best that Gentile whites can hope for in the future is carving out a place for themselves in a multi-everything society.

    We’re all Jews now; time to start acting like them.

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    Recently I sat through a presentation given by a high-level bureaucrat who works in city planning in a major American city. He presented a bar chart that showed the average household wealth in the city by race. As posters here probably know, the racial disparities in household wealth are much larger than those in income, and the chart showed whites towering over blacks and Hispanics. He told us that this showed the continuing effects of discrimination.

    Although the city has a prominent Asian population, the chart showed only whites, blacks, and Hispanics. At the bottom of the pages there was an asterisk, followed by small text that said something like "Partial data. Not all racial groups shown."

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  23. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:

    What happens if you do a ctrl-F Farrakhan in that book which is supposedly about antisemitism in contemporary America?

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  24. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of “Jews” say “high IQ elites” – high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish – they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say “low IQ” and instead of “whites” say “middle IQ”. Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don’t really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

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    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be
     
    This is an anti-White canard
    , @LondonBob
    Weisman should have called his book My Struggle. Still I appreciate his honesty.

    Jews are massively overrepresented, after controlling for IQ. Old fashioned nepotism, and interest free loans.
    , @TelfoedJohn

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Not true.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    They are over-represented if you adjust for IQ and ethnic nepotism. I don't begrudge them the the advantage due to IQ. I do begrudge them the advantage due to ethnic favoritism.
    , @peterike

    Instead of “Jews” say “high IQ elites” – high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish – they are WASP and Asian too.

     

    That's true but beside the point. It isn't the elites per se that matter. It's the elites who are hostile to the historical white American population. After all, it wasn't just any random elite who gave the Sierra Club $100 million to change their anti-immigration stand. It was David Gelbaum. It isn't just any elite spending $10 million on an Impeach Trump campaign. It's Tom Steyer.

    You could have hundreds of similar examples, and likewise from Asian elites. Sure, there are WASP elites who are just as hostile to core America -- Hillary Clinton to name one prime example. But among the elites as a group, there are far more hostile, anti-white Jews than Gentiles, with Asians rapidly closing the gap.
    , @anon
    A simple analysis:

    First, look at the numbers of whites, assume 98 average and 15 SD. Turn the crank find the number who should score high. Say,130 or greater.

    Second, look at the number of ((persons)), use 105 or even 110 as the avg, assume 15 SD, and turn the crank to find the number who shall score 130 or greater.

    Third, look at ((persons)), se avg 110, who shall score 130 or greater.

    Hey, wait..I'll do it for you. Need a "z table"

    Case one. 300 mil x 70%. 210 mil whites. 130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13 SDs. z= 0.9871
    210E6 x (1-.9871) = 2.17 mil
    Case two. 300E6 x 3%= 9E6. 130-105=25. 25/15=1.67SD z= 0.9525
    9E6 x (1-.9525)= 427, 500
    Case three 130 - 110 = 22, 20/15= 1.33SD, z = 0.9082
    9E6 x (1-0.9082) = 826, 200

    One of the big things to notice here is that among whites, roughly 2 of 100 make it to 130-land.

    Among ((persons)), roughly one of 21 (for the 105 example) and one out of 11 (for the 110 example) make it to 130-land.

    I would suspect the networking works better in high concentrations and in cohesive groups.

    We are not out-smarted, rather, we are out maneuvered.

    Hmmmm.......
    , @Jake1
    IQ plays a huge role but so does geography (Jews are more over represented than IQ alone would predict). Roughly 2/3rds of US Jews live in the Bos-Wash, Chicago, LA, and SF metro areas. 30% live in the NYC metro area by itself. US Jews are a high IQ group (110ish) that culturally values economic/academic success, and they overwhelming reside in premier metro areas where paths toward that success are both highly visible and more numerous. Those two factors lead to the over representation that exists.

    By contrast only roughly 16% of US non Hispanic whites live in those metros. The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.

    , @bomag

    if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be
     
    Somewhat, but there is still an over representation. Those who can play ethnic and racial favoritism move ahead of those who are being punished for alleged group misbehavior.
    , @roo_ster
    JackD:

    Not so much.

    Euro-descent White IQ in the USA is ~103 and Ashkenazi Jew is ~106.

    IQ is not the reason for Jewish over-representation in elite occupations & suchlike.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Ron Unz - and, more importantly, his data - say that you're wrong.

    Heck, a quick back of the envelope check shows that Jews are way over-represented if you look at IQ alone. Let's just use white Gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews to not muddy the waters with blacks and Hispanics who won't have much impact anyway. The U.S. is ~70% whites (Jew and Gentile), so let's start with a population that is 97% white (68/70) and 3% Jewish (2/70).

    We'll give white Gentiles an average IQ of 100 with a SD of 15. I'll be generous and give Jews an average IQ of 112 and an SD of 15. (I think that it might be a tad lower, and then there's the whole spatial vs. verbal aspect, but we'll leave that off the table for now.)

    Let's also assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful. (For my own sake, I hope - and believe - that you can get by with ~125, but we'll use 130, which is an advantage for Jews.)

    Even under these Jew-friendly assumptions, white Gentiles would still be ~87% of the "successful" people in that society vs. 13% Jewish. Even if you move the threshold up to 140, Jews still only come in ~20% of the successful people.

    Something else is going on here. IQ alone doesn't explain the extreme numbers of Jews in the media, academia, richest people and students at top universities. Personally, I think that some of it is explained by Jewish culture. Another genetic aspect might be that Jews seem to be particularly aggressive intellectually and competitive in general. In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don't. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.

    Regardless, IQ alone can't explain Jewish success.

    , @szopen

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD's, so any error you will spot is mine too): let's took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.
    , @njguy73

    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead.
     
    Charles Murray said that in 1994 and it almost killed his career.
    , @anon
    The first person to claim Jews have the highest IQ was...a Jew! Richard Hernstein made that claim for years and no one would listen, until he wrote The Bell Curve, but he had to reel in a fame seeking gentile like Charles Murray to legitimize his claim. All the IQ "experts" who came after were either Jewish or simply parroted Hernstein because they know they need to suck up to the Jews to get their book published.

    Is Jewish success a result of "high IQ", or of cunning, ruthlessness and clannishness? Dishonest people always make honest people look stupid by comparison, that's the kind of "high IQ" Jews like to boast about. A handful of extra cunning and ruthless Jews make it into a field, be it finance, media, Hollywood, academia, law, IT or politics, and they only hire and promote other Jews, with an occasional token black or Indian thrown in to satisfy the diversity hounds.

    Cunning and clannishness help them dominate an industry, then they point to their dominance in industry as evidence of their "high IQ". They also make a point of citing one another's work to make other Jews look prominent, more clannishness. The term "expert" is what Jews in the media call Jews in academia, or politics. Few if any non-Jew, especially if they are conservative (unless a Jewish neocon) are ever called an "expert" of anything. It's time to break out SAT scores for Jews.

    , @Svigor
    No, Jews swarm certain industries that involve opinion-making and influence-peddling, it's an ethnic thing for them.
    , @Cloudswrest

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Uh, no, as many others have pointing out including Ron Unz here (Unz.com link doesn't appear to be working) http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/. For example Jews are way over represented at Harvard even taking into account their supposed higher IQ. Gentile whites and Asians are way under represented. There's obvious ethnic nepotism going on.

    See here also: http://whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-45.htm

    , @Rich
    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else. All the talk about high Ashkenazi IQ is based on "estimates". In the US, no test separates out groups based on religion. The only test available for Jews as a separate group is from Israel, it doesn't separate the Ashkenazi from the Sephardic, and the result is a 95 IQ.
    , @pyrrhus
    A total lie, based on bogus or misrepresented statistics. Ashkenazi Jews are no more intelligent than Northern Europeans or Northeast Asians, and their achievements demonstrate this fact. Other jews are less intelligent. What the Jews have is extreme ethnocentrism and no morals, hence nepotism, intimidation and bribery are routinely used to get what they want...
    , @JMcG
    Why do you say “they” instead of “we?”
    , @Anon

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Well, this is simply untrue. But you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. As pointed out by other commenters, in some areas where high-IQ is necessary Jews dominate: certain areas of finance, certain (many) areas of academia, while in others they do not; aircraft design, IT*, etc. It just so happens that those areas where Jews dominate are, not entirely but by and large, correlated with money (hence the great number of Jewish billionaires) and power in our society (for instance, we are governed by lawyers). Do the Jews sort themselves into these professions because they are more drawn to these things, and less to other more spiritual or sentimental concerns? Or is it coincidence? And what role, if any, does nepotism play? These are all good questions. Now one thing that is certain is that Jewish nepotism or favoritism or whatever operates in the Ivy League-- Ron Unz proved that, and he is backed up by firsthand anecdotal evidence. But many of the areas where Jews had a great preponderance at some time-- physics, for instance-- are not linked to great money or power at all. So the cultural factors are clearly not so simple.

    *IT is an interesting case. I haven't done an analysis but would guess that Jews are about evenly represented here as far as IQ vs achievement is concerned. Von Neumann was Jewish but most of other names (Shannon, Church, Turing, Thompson, Ritchie, Cray) were not. Interestingly a number of the Jews in the industry seem to have wound up at MIT where they mostly argued with each other but some good stuff did come out of there.
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  25. The Wiesenthal Center complains
    When a Jew Jewish power explains.
    Nazi-hunting’s a trade
    That must rapidly fade;
    Hunting Crimethinker Jew’s what remains.

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  26. Ted F says:

    Weisman is an idiot, but Ruth Bader didn’t have any brothers. She was in the top 5% at Harvard Law (despite a dean who criticized the nine female law students for taking a seat away from men) when she followed her husband to New York, and then couldn’t get a job at a single New York law firm because she was a woman. Perhaps there exist Jewish feminists who are only acting out their intrafamily grievances, especially among the millennial generation, but RBG had some legitimate grievances with 1960s society.

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    1960s Jewish New York Society? Who do you think runs the New York law firms?
    , @Redman
    RBG graduated from Columbia Law where there were even fewer women in her class. I think 3 or 4.
    , @Neil Templeton
    No, any legitimate grievances she may have had were massively offset by the blessings. She was lucky to be alive, like all living things, and lucky to be born into a world where she could go to Harvard Law and become one of the most esteemed women in America. What is the net grievance?
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  27. Rich says:

    Jews, or at least their leaders, appear to be very unaware. My job puts me in touch with many Hispanics and blacks, and they, unprompted, always express disdain for Jews. Always. Whites, for the most part, don’t seem to care, or comment on how smart and successful Jews are. It’s interesting that having invested so much of their goodwill in minorities, they don’t see how hated they are by the groups they promote. I was a kid when blacks rioted in Harlem, and I remember the riots in Crown Heights well, maybe the Jews aren’t as smart as everyone seems to think they are?

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  28. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: The Baltimore Museum of Art is selling paintings by white artists to build up a “war chest” to buy art by under-represented minority artists:

    https://news.artnet.com/market/baltimore-museum-deaccession-1274996

    Interestingly, they’re only selling off 20th century works. i.e. – they’re selling off some modern non-art art by people like Warhol in order to replace it with presumably even more modern non-art art by POCs.

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  29. @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be

    This is an anti-White canard

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    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.
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  30. Likewise, many 21st-century American Jews nurture resentments of how an ancestor was turned down for membership at a ritzy country club for being an unrefined Jew from Eastern Europe, but have conveniently forgotten that great-grandpa wasn’t trying to join a WASP golf club, he was instead blackballed by a German Jewish golf club.

    It sounds like if people had just quit their obsession with hanging out on hundreds acres of sod chasing little white balls around all day, and learned how to play Ultimate Frisbee, many of these ethnic animosities could have been avoided. Plus, you golfers are getting ZERO cardio – I see no cardio. Show me the cardio!

    Ultimate Frisbee is soccer without the asinine rules that prohibit catching and throwing. Plus, after the game, instead of leaving the grass and going inside for alcohol, in Ultimate you head for the woods and bring your grass with you … per some friends of mine, that is.

    Imagine if Wham-O had started up 500 years earlier in old Scotland. Course, they’d have needed a material …

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  31. Barnard says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%?

    Ted Lieu represents the whole coast of LA from Malibu to Palos Verdes.

    https://lieu.house.gov/about/our-district

    Did they draw that district so there was no one living in it with a less than six figure income?

    I love this quote from his website on immigration:

    “I think it’s easy for people like you and me who wear suits and ties and work in offices to cast aspersions on those with a tenth-grade education . . . But let’s talk about some of these folks with a tenth-grade education . . . I have had the opportunity to meet over the years many farmworkers who have had families die under brutal conditions in the heat so that you or I can have less expensive orange juice, cheaper artichokes, or less expensive garlic . . . and I just want to suggest that these people have given far more to American society than you or I ever will.” – Congressman Ted W. Lieu

    Please, invite them to be your constituents in Malibu Ted.

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    As a group, the Chinese are the most conservative of all Asian groups, the majority identify themselves as independent voters. The most liberal ethnic groups among Asians are the South Asians -- Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis. However East Asians who went to elite schools like Ivies or Stanford tend to turn into the biggest Kool Aid drinking libtards. Ted Lieu who went to Stanford is one such sell-out, others include Derrick Watson and Theodore Chang, judges from HI and MD respectively who struck down all of Trump's immigration EO's, both went to Harvard Law. This is the main reason why I think elite schools' discrimination against Asians is a good thing. We don't need more Kool Aid drinking leftist dogs like these three.
    , @Alfa158
    There are some working and lower class White people in this district, but they re-drew the lines to include enough people who vote a solid Democratic ticket, hence the people with six figure incomes, Jews and non-Whites. This ensures Red Ted will hold the seat for as long as he wants it.
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  32. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Jack D:

    You’re wrong. Jewish and Gentile elites are not equivalent and one shouldn’t “forget” the differences between them.

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    We are being robbed and manipulated by a corrupt, abusive, racist mafia. It is a mafia that operates world-wide and robs, abuses, manipulates many countries. Note, for example, that Haim Saban contributes to jewish abuse of the majority populations in both the US and Germany.

    Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the World's Media
    http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/

    The Israel Lobby in Germany | Freemasonry - Scribd
    https://es.scribd.com/document/236970539/The-Israel-Lobby-in-Germany

    The ProSieben / Sat1 Group, which combines the German TV station ProSieben, Sat.1, Kabel eins, N24, 9Live and which are especially designed for women transmitter Sixx under one roof, is in possession of the Jew Haim Saban. The Axel Springer Foundation, which was part of the Axel Springer AG conducted from 1981 to 2010 by the Jew Ernst Cramer. After Cramer's death Friede Springer himself took over as CEO. Friede Springer is a Zionist and got 2000 even the Leo Baeck Prize, the highest award of the Central Council of Jews in Germany. CEO of Axel Springer AG is the Zionist Dopfner Matthias, who has held a position at the Aspen Institute Berlin at the same time. The Aspen Institute is an American lobby, which was founded after WW2 propaganda purposes. The Institute is managed by Trustees, the President and CEO is the Jew Walter Isaacson.....
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  33. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    Weisman should have called his book My Struggle. Still I appreciate his honesty.

    Jews are massively overrepresented, after controlling for IQ. Old fashioned nepotism, and interest free loans.

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  34. Stephen Miller is a somewhat honest Jew, and that is the best you can hope for.

    The JEWISH QUESTION must be taught in colleges and universities. Modernity is a mystery without explicitly recounting the interactions between Europeans and Jews. Some guy wrote a book about how Italian and Jewish bankers and traders created modern finance. Shakespeare wrote a play about it, Pacino was great in the play, also Pacino is good on Richard III. Pacino and DeNiro stole their whole acting style from the “Susquehanna Hat Company” bit from Abbott and Costello.

    The GOP is really going after the evangelical vote and the billionaire Jew loot when they go on and on about Israel and how there is no daylight between the interests of Israel and the interests of the American Empire in the Middle East. Jew billionaire Shelly Adelson has too much power over foreign policy and immigration policy in the GOP, Trumpy is the piper that Adelson pays. SAD!

    Also, all kidding aside, the oil producing states in the USA such as Alaska and Texas want the turmoil in the Middle East to keep the price of oil up. “Mowing the lawn” is the phrase the Israelis use to describe the maintenance of turmoil and stability in terms of their actions and interventions in surrounding nations. Neighborhood bully is a song that a Minnesota political theorist came up with.

    Preliminary comment, haven’t read Sailer’s article yet, random thoughts. Now I’ll read it.

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    Stephen Miller is a somewhat honest Jew, and that is the best you can hope for.
     
    Yeah, he's no Bobby Fischer, but he's a relatively righteous Jew.
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  35. @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    “…and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.”

    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?

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    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?
     
    What is your proposal to check them?
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  36. Jack D says:
    @27 year old

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be
     
    This is an anti-White canard

    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

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    It's not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.
    , @peterike

    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

     

    I thought it was hilarious.
    , @lavoisier
    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson--he sounds like a complete moron on this subject--even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don't see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind--String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!
    , @Svigor
    Your case was shit. Jews have a gift for repeating the same horseshit ad naseam; at some point it behooves to give it the respect it deserves and move on.
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  37. @Jack D
    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    It’s not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece “The Myth of American Meritocracy” you can find here.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    Vox Day has been posting some detailed information on the Ashkenazi IQ question:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html
    http://voxday.blogspot.nl/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Not true! It's just that high-IQ non-Jews aren't as interested as jews in high-paying, high-prestige jobs in important fields like finance or media. For example, who wants to work in Hollywood producing movies and banging starlets? Leave that up to your Brett Rattners (super-high IQ) of the world. This explains the disparity even accounting for a much higher number of high-IQ non-jews. Thomas Sowell explains it all. It's lack of interest!
    , @Jake
    That is true for two reasons. First, Jews network to take care of other Jews all the time. To take an example that is a long way from big money but is essential to the future, Jews in academia always act to increase the number of Jewish faculty members and administrators, invariably with endless talk of anti-Semtism. Second, white Gentiles almost never network to get more of their group, or white Gentiles in general, on campus.

    Put the tw0 together while race-based Affirmative Action rages, and you guarantee that Jews become grossly over-represented while white Gentiles lose almost all standing.
    , @Lot
    Unz makes large numbers of basic factual errors in that article.

    Kind of like his multiple attempts to show hispanics don't have a higher crime rate than whites.

    In both cases you get an overwhelming sense he started with his conclusion and looked for any possible justification for it and ignoring any possible contrary evidence.
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  38. Stick says:

    Steve, this is one of your best articles. Its really too bad that it cannot be discussed on Takimag.

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    Its really too bad that it cannot be discussed on Takimag.
     
    Why? What advantage did commenting at Taki Mag have over commenting here at Unz?
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  39. jonomd says:

    Why are you still posting over at Taki’s? Seems a waste of your talents.

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  40. @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Not true.

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  41. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    They are over-represented if you adjust for IQ and ethnic nepotism. I don’t begrudge them the the advantage due to IQ. I do begrudge them the advantage due to ethnic favoritism.

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  42. Tyrion 2 says:

    I don’t really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians…

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral ‘white privilege’ is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn’t openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can’t pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren’t quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren’t very many Jews so what’s the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

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    Our society has made a deal (and I think it's the right choice) that it's not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn't apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.
    , @bomag

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example.
     
    There is overlap, but, as pointed out here, there is a "flight from white" by Hispanics, Middle Easterners, Jews, etc. that has, so far, been pretty lucrative.
    , @Sid
    Singling out Jews will get you in trouble.

    With other white ethnicities, however, it's more ambiguous. I think you can't really single out "ethnic whites" or Ellis Islanders (Irish and Italians,
    but also Greeks and the like). It won't get you in as much trouble as attacking blacks or singling out Jews will, but it rubs people the wrong way.

    I think it's considered fair game, however, to make derisive remarks about English and German-Americans, and it's also acceptable to snipe at related ethnicities like the the Scottish and Scandinavians. Hence, you will hear remarks about WASPs and Nazi jokes all the time.

    Even there, you will hear SJWs make remarks like "We need less white dudes," but not things like, "We need fewer Englishmen/Germans."
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.
     
    There’s a strategic difference between ignoring or complaining about animus—and fighting back and literally drawing blood. If an individual or group is, or becomes, unwilling to do the latter, animus and contempt towards them may likely increase. This is basic schoolyard stuff.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.
     
    If people, especially intelligent, otherwise reasonable people, start not being nice in the form of “sounding like Hitler”— that ideally should serve as ample warning to the source of their ire: Mend your anti-white ways, or some groups/individuals with executive agency may start acting like Hitler & Co.

    Our host Steve is very nice, but not too nice, and while he doesn’t sound at all like Hitler, he is willing to talk plainly about Jews and any other subject of interest. But be aware: The world is full of everyday people who don’t hold ‘niceness’ as the ultimate value, and will remorselessly draw blood if increasingly cornered.

    “I want you to be nice. Until it’s time… to not be nice.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QJsljIDKkk
    , @J.Ross

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

     

    This is dishonest. People have done this with a consistent effect. You are free to call out open hatred of whites any time you want to lose your job, be physically threatened, and watch your car burn, or, at best, be dismissed as a racist and told that you deserve whatever you get.
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  43. The WASP/ Jew ruling class of the American Empire wants war with Iran and Russia.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is using the US military as muscle to do the bidding of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    The United States is a fool to do Israel’s dirty work.

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  44. Gman says:
    @Anon
    Great one Steve, what is to be done?

    I think the solution for starters is to break down the black / Jewish alliance

    Examples
    *promote Farrakhan
    *show how ridiculous Mark Zuckerberg’s embrace of BLM is
    *emphasize Jews were slaveholders too

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  45. Jack D says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I don't really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians...

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral 'white privilege' is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn't openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can't pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren't quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren't very many Jews so what's the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What's weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    Our society has made a deal (and I think it’s the right choice) that it’s not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn’t apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

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    I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

     

    Why can't we simply tell the truth without fear of blowback?
    , @Lot
    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Your solution doesn't work long-term. Immigration makes it untenable. If "racism" - God do I hate that nebulous word - isn't allowed, how do you regulate your borders? What right do you have to even have a border? Aren't borders racist?

    Even if you argue for controlled immigration and this immigration be based on skills, this would would favor some races over others. Isn't that racism? Judging an individual by their merits sounds nice, but it will eventually lead to some races being promoted over others. And people will notice. How do you get around the fact that nature is racist because I don't think that this explanation will fly with the SJW crowd.

    Also, what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn't I favor my family over another?

    And, of course, the whole idea of treating people as individuals is a very short-sided view of the world once you bring regression to the mean into the conversation. That Rottweiler might be a gentle soul, but his kids won't be.
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  46. peterike says:
    @Jack D
    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    I thought it was hilarious.

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  47. peterike says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    Instead of “Jews” say “high IQ elites” – high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish – they are WASP and Asian too.

    That’s true but beside the point. It isn’t the elites per se that matter. It’s the elites who are hostile to the historical white American population. After all, it wasn’t just any random elite who gave the Sierra Club $100 million to change their anti-immigration stand. It was David Gelbaum. It isn’t just any elite spending $10 million on an Impeach Trump campaign. It’s Tom Steyer.

    You could have hundreds of similar examples, and likewise from Asian elites. Sure, there are WASP elites who are just as hostile to core America — Hillary Clinton to name one prime example. But among the elites as a group, there are far more hostile, anti-white Jews than Gentiles, with Asians rapidly closing the gap.

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  48. peterike says:
    @Jack D
    Our society has made a deal (and I think it's the right choice) that it's not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn't apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

    I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

    Why can’t we simply tell the truth without fear of blowback?

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  49. fnn says:
    @Simon in London
    It's not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.
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    "Vox Day has been posting some detailed information on the Ashkenazi IQ question"

    There's some interesting stuff, there, but VD sure doesn't do himself any favors with the degree of rhetorical license he adopts. He really needs to tone it down.

    His most interesting point is that high Jewish IQ + tail-end effects doesn't explain the wildly disproportionate representation of Jews in leadership positions in politics, media, popular culture, &c, where IQ's above, say, 135, are, if anything, disabling.

    I mean, does anybody think Tom Friedman owes his position to being really, really smart?
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  50. Pat Boyle says:

    I always think of Jewishness as a hope for the future.

    When I look at my little piebald dog who wags his tail and licks my hand and appears to be nothing at all like a wolf, I am overwhelmed with the power of unnatural selection. Why can’t we simply do something similar with our own species? Yes I know that that would constitute eugenics and eugenics is wrong (although I can’t quite remember why).

    Then I remember the Jews. As Cochran pointed out, Jews are smarter now but haven’t been for very long. Vegetius classified the peoples around the Mediterranean by their smarts and never mentioned the Jews. Two thousand years ago Jews were a significant population. But in those two millennia Jews almost disappeared but got bred for high intelligence. What would race relations be like in America if blacks were a standard deviation smarter than the base white Europeans rather than a standard deviation dumber?

    Europeans probably have a 30,000 year advantage on sub-Saharan blacks but we could maybe erase that gap in only a couple hundred years with selective breeding. Of course in a couple hundred years other factors will come into play. By then if there are still people they will probably have the option to be a robot and choose their strength, intelligence and other attributes. I doubt that organic humans will ever live on Mars but inorganic humans might find it salubrious.

    I see all these possibilities when I think of the Jews – the human breeding experiment. I also think of Ricardo Montalban playing Khan on Star Trek. Khan and his people were a genetic experiment of earthlings trying to develop a better, smarter human. What was the result? Khan and his kind were hated and feared – ultimately being destroyed by the normals. That’s a pretty good model for twentieth and twenty first century anti-Semitism.

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    Wow - this is approved, but noticing what WASP culture has always been, based on the beliefs that created it, is close to verboten. Jews aren't the only animals more equal than other animals.

    Carthago delenda est was true every time Cato expressed it.
    , @Percy Gryce
    So the moral is to shoot the Jews into space?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cy9HeM8QQc
    , @Joe862
    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It's measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids. High IQ people would have more reason to seek each other out and breed.

    The trick is to have functional societies with minimal misery, reasonable opportunity, etc. Just breeding a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs isn't going to do that. Notice how jews are forever complaining about how hard they've had it and all that. You get a lot of successful individuals but collective dysfunction.
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  51. @Simon in London
    It's not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.

    Not true! It’s just that high-IQ non-Jews aren’t as interested as jews in high-paying, high-prestige jobs in important fields like finance or media. For example, who wants to work in Hollywood producing movies and banging starlets? Leave that up to your Brett Rattners (super-high IQ) of the world. This explains the disparity even accounting for a much higher number of high-IQ non-jews. Thomas Sowell explains it all. It’s lack of interest!

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  52. Elsewhere says:

    That this book (((Semitism))) is mostly an un-self-aware self-congratulation of the fulfillment of anti-Semitic canards got me thinking…

    We could start use “Semite” to mean a Jew behaving badly. In parallel to the old Chris Rock routine, we could say,

    I love Jews, but I hate Semites.

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  53. Marcus D. says:

    Uh, no. The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

    The first great Jewish name that comes to my mind is Heinrich Heine (1797-1856).

    But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%. The mongrels that these marriages make don’t care a lot about Jewish people or Israel. Another question is that inevitably eugenics will return. Then, everybody will be smart like Jews. So, they will not have much power in a more competitive world.

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    "But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with an intermarriage rate of 55%."

    Norman Podhoretz notoriously thought that the only solution to his "Negro problem" was miscegenation.

    I wonder what he would think of the idea that miscegenation is the only solution to the "Jewish question."
    , @Jack D
    Spinoza?
    , @Anonymous

    The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%.
     
    This statistic means nothing because it doesn't distinguish between first marriages, which produce children, and remarriages, which rarely do. What is the intermarriage rate for first marriages?
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  54. bomag says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I don't really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians...

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral 'white privilege' is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn't openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can't pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren't quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren't very many Jews so what's the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What's weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example.

    There is overlap, but, as pointed out here, there is a “flight from white” by Hispanics, Middle Easterners, Jews, etc. that has, so far, been pretty lucrative.

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  55. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    A simple analysis:

    First, look at the numbers of whites, assume 98 average and 15 SD. Turn the crank find the number who should score high. Say,130 or greater.

    Second, look at the number of ((persons)), use 105 or even 110 as the avg, assume 15 SD, and turn the crank to find the number who shall score 130 or greater.

    Third, look at ((persons)), se avg 110, who shall score 130 or greater.

    Hey, wait..I’ll do it for you. Need a “z table”

    Case one. 300 mil x 70%. 210 mil whites. 130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13 SDs. z= 0.9871
    210E6 x (1-.9871) = 2.17 mil
    Case two. 300E6 x 3%= 9E6. 130-105=25. 25/15=1.67SD z= 0.9525
    9E6 x (1-.9525)= 427, 500
    Case three 130 – 110 = 22, 20/15= 1.33SD, z = 0.9082
    9E6 x (1-0.9082) = 826, 200

    One of the big things to notice here is that among whites, roughly 2 of 100 make it to 130-land.

    Among ((persons)), roughly one of 21 (for the 105 example) and one out of 11 (for the 110 example) make it to 130-land.

    I would suspect the networking works better in high concentrations and in cohesive groups.

    We are not out-smarted, rather, we are out maneuvered.

    Hmmmm…….

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    Aaargh. Case three. 22/15=1.47SD, z=0.9292. Number >130 637 200, Proportion: 1 in 14
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  56. Sid says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I don't really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians...

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral 'white privilege' is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn't openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can't pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren't quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren't very many Jews so what's the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What's weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    Singling out Jews will get you in trouble.

    With other white ethnicities, however, it’s more ambiguous. I think you can’t really single out “ethnic whites” or Ellis Islanders (Irish and Italians,
    but also Greeks and the like). It won’t get you in as much trouble as attacking blacks or singling out Jews will, but it rubs people the wrong way.

    I think it’s considered fair game, however, to make derisive remarks about English and German-Americans, and it’s also acceptable to snipe at related ethnicities like the the Scottish and Scandinavians. Hence, you will hear remarks about WASPs and Nazi jokes all the time.

    Even there, you will hear SJWs make remarks like “We need less white dudes,” but not things like, “We need fewer Englishmen/Germans.”

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  57. Jake says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I always think of Jewishness as a hope for the future.

    When I look at my little piebald dog who wags his tail and licks my hand and appears to be nothing at all like a wolf, I am overwhelmed with the power of unnatural selection. Why can't we simply do something similar with our own species? Yes I know that that would constitute eugenics and eugenics is wrong (although I can't quite remember why).

    Then I remember the Jews. As Cochran pointed out, Jews are smarter now but haven't been for very long. Vegetius classified the peoples around the Mediterranean by their smarts and never mentioned the Jews. Two thousand years ago Jews were a significant population. But in those two millennia Jews almost disappeared but got bred for high intelligence. What would race relations be like in America if blacks were a standard deviation smarter than the base white Europeans rather than a standard deviation dumber?

    Europeans probably have a 30,000 year advantage on sub-Saharan blacks but we could maybe erase that gap in only a couple hundred years with selective breeding. Of course in a couple hundred years other factors will come into play. By then if there are still people they will probably have the option to be a robot and choose their strength, intelligence and other attributes. I doubt that organic humans will ever live on Mars but inorganic humans might find it salubrious.

    I see all these possibilities when I think of the Jews - the human breeding experiment. I also think of Ricardo Montalban playing Khan on Star Trek. Khan and his people were a genetic experiment of earthlings trying to develop a better, smarter human. What was the result? Khan and his kind were hated and feared - ultimately being destroyed by the normals. That's a pretty good model for twentieth and twenty first century anti-Semitism.

    Wow – this is approved, but noticing what WASP culture has always been, based on the beliefs that created it, is close to verboten. Jews aren’t the only animals more equal than other animals.

    Carthago delenda est was true every time Cato expressed it.

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  58. Jake1 says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    IQ plays a huge role but so does geography (Jews are more over represented than IQ alone would predict). Roughly 2/3rds of US Jews live in the Bos-Wash, Chicago, LA, and SF metro areas. 30% live in the NYC metro area by itself. US Jews are a high IQ group (110ish) that culturally values economic/academic success, and they overwhelming reside in premier metro areas where paths toward that success are both highly visible and more numerous. Those two factors lead to the over representation that exists.

    By contrast only roughly 16% of US non Hispanic whites live in those metros. The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.

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    " The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee."

    Why should it be? Isn't America the Land of Opportunity?

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.


    "Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land!"
     
    A hundred years ago, South Wales was a mega industrial area, one of the world centres of coal and steel production, and Jews went there (there were riots against them in 1911 in Ebbw Vale iirc). Michael Howard (ne Hecht), the former Conservative leader, was born into a Jewish community in Llanelli, then a prosperous industrial town.

    The industry has gone and the Jewish communities have gone (quite a few derelict synagogues) - but the great-grandchildren of the miners and steelworkers are mostly still there.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/welsh-homes/disused-valleys-synagogue-could-yours-12242674

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  59. bomag says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be

    Somewhat, but there is still an over representation. Those who can play ethnic and racial favoritism move ahead of those who are being punished for alleged group misbehavior.

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  60. roo_ster says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    JackD:

    Not so much.

    Euro-descent White IQ in the USA is ~103 and Ashkenazi Jew is ~106.

    IQ is not the reason for Jewish over-representation in elite occupations & suchlike.

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  61. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    A simple analysis:

    First, look at the numbers of whites, assume 98 average and 15 SD. Turn the crank find the number who should score high. Say,130 or greater.

    Second, look at the number of ((persons)), use 105 or even 110 as the avg, assume 15 SD, and turn the crank to find the number who shall score 130 or greater.

    Third, look at ((persons)), se avg 110, who shall score 130 or greater.

    Hey, wait..I'll do it for you. Need a "z table"

    Case one. 300 mil x 70%. 210 mil whites. 130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13 SDs. z= 0.9871
    210E6 x (1-.9871) = 2.17 mil
    Case two. 300E6 x 3%= 9E6. 130-105=25. 25/15=1.67SD z= 0.9525
    9E6 x (1-.9525)= 427, 500
    Case three 130 - 110 = 22, 20/15= 1.33SD, z = 0.9082
    9E6 x (1-0.9082) = 826, 200

    One of the big things to notice here is that among whites, roughly 2 of 100 make it to 130-land.

    Among ((persons)), roughly one of 21 (for the 105 example) and one out of 11 (for the 110 example) make it to 130-land.

    I would suspect the networking works better in high concentrations and in cohesive groups.

    We are not out-smarted, rather, we are out maneuvered.

    Hmmmm.......

    Aaargh. Case three. 22/15=1.47SD, z=0.9292. Number >130 637 200, Proportion: 1 in 14

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  62. Jake says:
    @Simon in London
    It's not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.

    That is true for two reasons. First, Jews network to take care of other Jews all the time. To take an example that is a long way from big money but is essential to the future, Jews in academia always act to increase the number of Jewish faculty members and administrators, invariably with endless talk of anti-Semtism. Second, white Gentiles almost never network to get more of their group, or white Gentiles in general, on campus.

    Put the tw0 together while race-based Affirmative Action rages, and you guarantee that Jews become grossly over-represented while white Gentiles lose almost all standing.

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  63. Lot says:
    @Simon in London
    It's not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.

    Unz makes large numbers of basic factual errors in that article.

    Kind of like his multiple attempts to show hispanics don’t have a higher crime rate than whites.

    In both cases you get an overwhelming sense he started with his conclusion and looked for any possible justification for it and ignoring any possible contrary evidence.

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    I notice you specifically did not comment on the accuracy of the original point:

    Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.
     
    Whether or not Ron made some assumptions favorable to his thesis (I tend to think he was about as fair minded as anyone is on that topic) I think his numbers support the conclusion that in some areas Jews are overrepresented relative to gentile whites even after correcting for IQ differences.

    Do you disagree? If so, why? And don't just slough it off with "factual errors" when even if you adjust e.g. his counts of Jews in elite colleges I think his overall conclusion stands.

    P.S. The global "an error exists, somewhere" criticism followed by a redirection and an accusation of bias might be an effective technique, but I certainly don't consider it honest. Not a good look. And all too typical.
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  64. Moses says:

    Das ist verboten to enumerate or identify Jews. Counting Whites is ok. But Jews, no.

    Everyone knows this.

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  65. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    Our society has made a deal (and I think it's the right choice) that it's not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn't apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

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    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.
    ...
    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.
     
    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. One question though, do you think the disproportionateness of Jewish victims is true relative to their proportion of the US population, their proportion of the attacked populations (e.g. Hollywood MeToo), or both?

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.
     
    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don't need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    I enjoyed this part. An accurate and concise observation.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.
     
    , @Vinteuil
    "The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM."

    Dream on.
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    A view from the Great White North–White Supremacy implicated in Asian racism against Blacks. No, this is no parody. This is from “Canada’s National Newspaper.”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-eating-while-black-in-a-chinese-restaurant-a-grim-lesson-in-racist/

    I don’t know which is worse–the logic or the flouting of history.

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  67. @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Ron Unz – and, more importantly, his data – say that you’re wrong.

    Heck, a quick back of the envelope check shows that Jews are way over-represented if you look at IQ alone. Let’s just use white Gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews to not muddy the waters with blacks and Hispanics who won’t have much impact anyway. The U.S. is ~70% whites (Jew and Gentile), so let’s start with a population that is 97% white (68/70) and 3% Jewish (2/70).

    We’ll give white Gentiles an average IQ of 100 with a SD of 15. I’ll be generous and give Jews an average IQ of 112 and an SD of 15. (I think that it might be a tad lower, and then there’s the whole spatial vs. verbal aspect, but we’ll leave that off the table for now.)

    Let’s also assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful. (For my own sake, I hope – and believe – that you can get by with ~125, but we’ll use 130, which is an advantage for Jews.)

    Even under these Jew-friendly assumptions, white Gentiles would still be ~87% of the “successful” people in that society vs. 13% Jewish. Even if you move the threshold up to 140, Jews still only come in ~20% of the successful people.

    Something else is going on here. IQ alone doesn’t explain the extreme numbers of Jews in the media, academia, richest people and students at top universities. Personally, I think that some of it is explained by Jewish culture. Another genetic aspect might be that Jews seem to be particularly aggressive intellectually and competitive in general. In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don’t. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.

    Regardless, IQ alone can’t explain Jewish success.

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    "Let’s...assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful..."

    Let's not assume that. And let's especially not assume that your chances of extreme success keep going up once you get into the IQ stratosphere of 140, 150, 160.

    Especially if we're talking about extreme success in anything outside the hard sciences, mathematics, and, possibly, academic philosophy.
    , @Moses

    In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don’t. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.
     
    Anyone who has done business with Jews has experienced this. I certainly have.

    Their population mean for behavior of this kind is well to the right of Whites.

    , @Anon
    See calcs at comment 55
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  68. Abe says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived.
     
    Goodness. You are absolutely right about the arrogant lack of self-awareness. This passage sounds like something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (or at least a modern variation of it).

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived

    Last week Guillermo del Toro concern-tweeted about the gruesome discovery of 3 bodies in Mexico- gang members who were kidnapped, tortured, executed, and then had their remains dissolved in acid by a rival gang. Oh wait- they weren’t drug gang members, they were students MISTAKEN for drug gang members! But, hey, such previously-unheard-of inconveniences are soon to become the NEW NORMAL in our beautiful, borderless, polyglot nation. Guillermo Del Toro and Jonathan Weismann send their condolences from Beverley Hills and Manhattan (respectively)

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  69. res says:
    @Lot
    Unz makes large numbers of basic factual errors in that article.

    Kind of like his multiple attempts to show hispanics don't have a higher crime rate than whites.

    In both cases you get an overwhelming sense he started with his conclusion and looked for any possible justification for it and ignoring any possible contrary evidence.

    I notice you specifically did not comment on the accuracy of the original point:

    Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece “The Myth of American Meritocracy” you can find here.

    Whether or not Ron made some assumptions favorable to his thesis (I tend to think he was about as fair minded as anyone is on that topic) I think his numbers support the conclusion that in some areas Jews are overrepresented relative to gentile whites even after correcting for IQ differences.

    Do you disagree? If so, why? And don’t just slough it off with “factual errors” when even if you adjust e.g. his counts of Jews in elite colleges I think his overall conclusion stands.

    P.S. The global “an error exists, somewhere” criticism followed by a redirection and an accusation of bias might be an effective technique, but I certainly don’t consider it honest. Not a good look. And all too typical.

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    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    I don't have the time to recount from the start again the problems with Unz's article, and I disagree that "his basic conclusion stands". But my comment history has some examples in detail, and there are others even more extensive out there. Here is one:

    http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mertz-on-Unz-Meritocracy-Article.pdf

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.
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  70. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    An interesting idea. So have you been trying to promote the necessary intracommunal good feelings among white Americans for this to work?

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    I think our host deserves a lot of credit for the extremely civil and genteel nature of this blog and its comments section.

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling "jokes" about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)

    Where else can you find this kind of rational give-and-take?
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    The damage done to the country is permanent. So the kumbaya ship sailed long ago. Not sure where that leaves us, but it ain't good.
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  71. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%?

    Ted Lieu represents the whole coast of LA from Malibu to Palos Verdes.

    https://lieu.house.gov/about/our-district

    50% is a much better estimate. It appears that every single member of the city council is Jewish.

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  72. res says:
    @Lot
    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. One question though, do you think the disproportionateness of Jewish victims is true relative to their proportion of the US population, their proportion of the attacked populations (e.g. Hollywood MeToo), or both?

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    I enjoyed this part. An accurate and concise observation.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

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    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. ["Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs"]
     
    Sure, antisemitic stereotypes, like stereotypes in general, rarely come out of nowhere. I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    There's also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).
     
    That's too pessimistic. Most of the extremely destructive Great Society handouts to anti-white types have now been killed off. A lot of the remains have seen their budgets, adjusted for inflation, fall by half. The old policy of unlimited AFDC welfare is dead. Total non-defense public employment as a share of the workforce has been on a long-term decline since Reagan. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, collectively home to almost 10% of the US population, have definitively defeated their public sector union domination.

    Even if this were not the case, I am OK with the collateral damage from dismantling a large part of the public sector and the student-loan harvesting educational sector. It isn't realistic for the right to retake law schools and humanities departments. It is realistic to stop subsidizing them, since every dollar we cut has a potential winner who gets that dollar in the form of a tax cut or alternative government spending.
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  73. @Jack D
    Our society has made a deal (and I think it's the right choice) that it's not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn't apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

    Your solution doesn’t work long-term. Immigration makes it untenable. If “racism” – God do I hate that nebulous word – isn’t allowed, how do you regulate your borders? What right do you have to even have a border? Aren’t borders racist?

    Even if you argue for controlled immigration and this immigration be based on skills, this would would favor some races over others. Isn’t that racism? Judging an individual by their merits sounds nice, but it will eventually lead to some races being promoted over others. And people will notice. How do you get around the fact that nature is racist because I don’t think that this explanation will fly with the SJW crowd.

    Also, what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?

    And, of course, the whole idea of treating people as individuals is a very short-sided view of the world once you bring regression to the mean into the conversation. That Rottweiler might be a gentle soul, but his kids won’t be.

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    "...what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?"

    Good question. This was the human way for many thousands of years.

    Universalism/Impartialism is a late blooming, hot house flower, which drives its true believers to suicide. It cannot last.
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  74. Lot says:
    @res
    I notice you specifically did not comment on the accuracy of the original point:

    Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece "The Myth of American Meritocracy" you can find here.
     
    Whether or not Ron made some assumptions favorable to his thesis (I tend to think he was about as fair minded as anyone is on that topic) I think his numbers support the conclusion that in some areas Jews are overrepresented relative to gentile whites even after correcting for IQ differences.

    Do you disagree? If so, why? And don't just slough it off with "factual errors" when even if you adjust e.g. his counts of Jews in elite colleges I think his overall conclusion stands.

    P.S. The global "an error exists, somewhere" criticism followed by a redirection and an accusation of bias might be an effective technique, but I certainly don't consider it honest. Not a good look. And all too typical.

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    I don’t have the time to recount from the start again the problems with Unz’s article, and I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”. But my comment history has some examples in detail, and there are others even more extensive out there. Here is one:

    http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mertz-on-Unz-Meritocracy-Article.pdf

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

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    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.
     
    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses - in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing - e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren't.
    , @res
    Thanks for your thoughtful and civil reply.

    I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”.
     
    My statement was far too vague. There were many conclusions in Unz's article. I'll try to be more specific in my later reply.

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.
     
    I downloaded this and started reading it. It looks good so far, but will require some thought and cross checking to reply in detail.

    It is worth noting that Mertz's primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz's methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.
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  75. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Jack D
    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

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    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!
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  76. @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    Ultimately because the coalition of the fringes they have assembled is untenable and will turn on them. Steve has pointed out how casual anti-Semitism has become prevalent in UC student government, something that would have beem unimaginable 15-20 years. These campuses have more Jews than your typical universities but it has made no difference whatsoever. This a preview of the coming attractions if Jews continue along this path.

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    Jews seem to always overplay their hand with the host population. I think it is pure arrogance. You'd think they would learn, but hubris seems to be too deeply embedded in their DNA.

    When the chickens come home to roost in this country, as they have so many times in other countries, it could get ugly. And ironically, it won't be the hated white rednecks exacting vengeance. It will be the black and brown people they currently consider their human pets.
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  77. songbird says:

    “Age of Trump” is such an interesting psychological phrase, which one hears repeated in certain quarters. Obviously, the press, the establishment, and Congress are against him. Add that to the other normal checks and balances, and the phrase sounds incredibly paranoid and downright delusional.

    Just as the Left seems to galvanize around cults of personality, to be all powerful tools of change, it seems to have an overpowering, instinctual drive to smash anyone who could even potentially lead the opposition.

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  78. @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    Don’t like to contradict our astute and generous host, but this doesn’t come close to cutting it.

    What we American whites need from the Jews is
    a) a “thank you” — an appreciation that America has been very, very, very, very good to Jews (really ridiculously accommodating).
    b) a promise to stop screwing it up. Stop the anti-white nonsense. Stop importing people and close the border. Look to preserve the white-Euro (Western civilizational) roots and culture of the nation which in fact have enabled Jews to do so well here.
    c) an apology for all the damage they’ve already done. Ok, i know c) isn’t going to happen, but it would be a nice way to demonstrate sincerity.

    And in return, we whites would continue to accept Jews as partners in this enterprise meriocratically, in which case they would do well.

    This sort of deal could only come with some realism on the part of Jews that they’ve done very very well in America, not because they are such geniuses or terrific contributors to American prosperity, but because they are doing their looting–or, if you like “trading and rent-seeking”–on top of a huge white-gentile, ergo prosperous, nation. Note, it’s not like Jews can’t create a prosperous nation themselves. They have high IQs (skewing verbal) and have done just this–with reasonable success–in Israel. But neither Jews nor Israel have numbers to actually create the wealth Jews have in America. (Proof by revealed choice. Despite “anti-Semitism!” … Jews do not make Aliyah.) Jews are very well-to-do in America, because they are at the commanding heights of a big rich white-gentile nation. A nation which they have then chosen to tear down!–and make unpleasant for precisely the white-gentiles who’ve built it and provided such a lucrative opportunity for the Jews. (Gratitude is apparently not a Jewish virtue–at least gratitude to non-Jews.)

    That’s the sort of deal that’s–probably for a generation or so–potentially on the table. Jews can admit, “hey yeah we’ve been treated very well in America and done very well on top of a big rich white-gentile nation … let’s have the intelligence and honesty to admit that and not screw it up!”

    But the window for Jews coming to their senses–before demographics or white people coming to their senses makes it moot–is slowly closing. In the coming multi-culti future the Jews themselves have pushed for, this deal will not be available.

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    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do "looting" you show your true colors.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters). There are a bunch of loudmouth kvetchers with daddy issues who confuse "America" with their fathers (and since they hate their fathers they hate America too) who get a disproportionate amount of attention. People with "daddy issues" are not grateful for what their parents have done for them. In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction - the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).
    , @Thea
    neither a thanks nor an I'm sorry would matter. Only knocking it off and policing their own members would fix it. They can practice their idiosyncratic religion or culture or whatever without destroying the host.


    being hated by everyone around them appears to be part of the strategy for keeping their group identity. I've been staring for years they need to reign in the more white hating and harming amongst them for their own good to prevent a backlash. The reaction I get is that I'm a hateful anti-Semite so I've concluded they kind of realize they need that opposition to exist.
    , @3g4me
    @78 Another Dad: "What we American whites need from the Jews is . . ."

    I really, really hesitated to add any of my thoughts to this thread, because I'm tired of the subject, bored with the utterly predictable responses from all the predictable commenters, and I'm generally tired of the endless re-arranging of deck chairs on Weimerica which Steve's commentariat seems to find so engaging.

    However, you often make interesting comments and come across as a genuinely good-hearted, honest, and well-meaning gentleman, so I'm going to make my attempt to make sense of all this in a way that you might understand and agree with (presuming I don't give up halfway, and that Steve passes along whatever I write, and that you then even read it).

    The whole standard "Is it IQ, or is it ethic activism" debate, or the "hostile elite" debate just endlessly churn the water and no one ever convinces anyone else to change his mind. More importantly, both approaches entirely miss and/or skip over the most important points re the issue of Jews vs. Americans (or Indians vs. Americans or Mexicans vs. Americans).

    I would suggest that the whole issue comes down to the question of values - as you seem to address in comment 104 (re what you ultimately want in life). What is important, what must be retained, what can be altered, what can be gained. Any immigrant to America, of any background, impacts each of these issues in a fundamental way. Given that the nation was founded by primarily Anglo-Saxon settlers (yes, there were some Germans, and some French, and even a tiny sprinkling of Jews that others will fixate on, but even if merely for convenience's sake let's agree the nation was primarily founded by and for White, Christian Englishmen).

    Let's also agree, regardless of the Founders' intent (again,minus the usual pilpul debate and wrangling and misstatements and inaccuracies and even outright lies), America experienced various waves of immigration that dramatically altered its character and nature. The immigrant and various ethnic advocates will argue that, ultimately, 'their people' added to or enriched America. The so-called 'nativists' will argue America already had a culture and character and all changes haven't been beneficial. There's usually a continuum there, with someone sure to mention Italian food or Irish politicians or Jewish medical discoveries.

    Underlying all these arguments is the question of America's character and values: Did it have either, did the immigrants alter either or add to either, and was the ultimate amalgamation one all can live with and value. To put it in starker terms, it's a question of 'value added.' Were all the changes ultimately worth it? Again, the usual parties make the usual arguments. Despite massive propaganda to the contrary, there was a nascent movie industry in California that was not Jewish . . . and, for various reasons, the Jews did succeed in monopolizing and controlling that business. Jack D will say it was due to Jewish 'genius' and creativity; others will blame it all on ethnic networking. But both ignore the question: Did America have to have Jews to have a movie industry? Without Jewish immigrants, would no one else have joined the fray? Would the ultimate product perhaps have been better? Worse? Certainly different. Jack is arguing that Jews added value - movies, Tin Pan Alley, medical discoveries, etc. He sees Jews as having given to America, rather than having taken - so ultimately no real 'thanks' or feeling of having been given a gift by being allowed in is necessary. That argument rests on the assumption that America had a 'moral duty' to allow in people in need, and a legal framework that planned for and assumed massive and disparate immigrants. In short, the zeroth amendment was either specified or implied by the Founders and the Jews have immeasurably enriched America, despite anti-semitism and being kept out of certain clubs and some narrow-minded people not wanting the competition - so the balance sheet, if anything, is tilted in their favor. The crime, or nepotistic hiring, or political activism, or even 'misunderstandings' like the Liberty or Jonathan
    Pollard are exaggerated and really only isolated and cherry-picked incidents. Value added.

    You could recast this with any immigrant group - and each ethnic advocate does so. Orientals insist that without them, we'd never have had the western railroads (the Irish worked on the eastern half), and they're all high IQ and it was pure racism that caused their earlier exclusion, and again - value added. Restaurants, donut shops, nail salons, Harvard grads - all pluses. Any ethnic nepotism or financial crime or treasonous espionage is exaggerated and, again, no thanks are owed.

    Negroes say America was built on slave labor and racism. The Negro population increase, or arguments about health or opportunities here absent in Africa are irrelevant. Value added.

    Sub-continentals feel they've built the IT industry. Again, high IQ versus racism and prejudice and lazy American parents. Value added, they claim.

    Ultimately, all these disparate groups claim America was and is a communal product. That without their people and contributions, America would be less. But would it? It would unquestionably be different. But that's the crux of the matter - different or less? Value added or tensions and crime added? Medical advances versus Harvard hogging? In every case, the immigrants assume that America would not have certain things without them, presuming that the population (whether merely Anglo-Saxon founders, or northern European immigrants overall, or even merely White Christian immigrants of every sort) would not have been able to develop a particular industry or make a certain discovery or simply be lacking something without them. They have staked their claim, and argue that any America that might have been, without them, would have been lesser, diminished, and either way, America now is a collaborative product and all are equally vital ingredients.

    All these arguments rest on the assumption that a particular group of immigrants brought something special and unique, that would not have existed without them. That is, at heart, the basis for civic nationalism - that each group added value and we all have an equal stake in the resultant whole. But those of us who oppose them and their view of America fundamentally disagree. Without Mexicans, White kids could still cut lawns and workers would still build houses or roofs - the industry existed before them and would exist without them - as well as without "press 2 for English" and gangbangers and Mariachi music and tacos (ugh!). Without Jews, we'd still sing Christmas songs - but they'd celebrate Jesus rather than snow- and we'd still have movies and medical discoveries and perhaps some White Christians at Harvard - which, after all, was founded without either Jews or Orientals, amazingly enough.

    White, Christian America was not lacking, and the various additions have ultimately degraded the whole, rather than enriched it. That is the nationalist viewpoint. That immigrants did not have to be allowed in, were all replaceable, and ultimately would have achieved nothing - high IQ or work ethic or food or family aside - without the basis of ordered liberty, self reliance, civic society, and rule of law provided by the founding group. Immigrants and their descendants ought to be grateful to America - which existed before and without them. Did the Scandinavian farmers come because they felt a primal need for Jewish comics? Did the Italians immigrate because they knew America was or would be the home of Jewish medical advancements?

    Some argue that even those other Europeans brought alien and divisive ideas - communalism - and lacked/lack a fundamental understanding of and appreciation for "the rights of Englishmen." Others feel Catholicism brought unwanted division and alien beliefs and folkways. There are literally hundreds of variant views, of course, but ultimately the nationalists feel America - original America - was and is the ultimate gift and goal. That any immigrants were ultimately not value added, but value lost - lost common prayers, common values, common goals (let alone common language). The immigrants claim they are both better than 'us' (smarter, harder working, etc.) and simultaneously becoming the same as 'us' (the Jews' lament re intermarriage, Twinkie's pride in his half-White children, etc.). They cannot and do not envision an America that does not include them. But many of us remember different times, when doors didn't have to be locked and everyone spoke the same language and celebrated the same heritage - even if it wasn't strictly, technically, genetically 'ours'. We all claimed Washington and Jefferson and pilgrims and settlers as our own - not altering them or adding to them or claiming they never really were - but acknowledging our debt to them for the gift of America.

    These, I would argue, are the underlying - and inimical beliefs. There is really no 'middle ground,' as the civic nationalists would argue there is, because to accept that any group of immigrants enriched America is to accept, implicitly, that America pre-whatever group was somehow lacking. That unenriched America would never have developed "x" without group "y." So the arguments go round and round, with nativists wondering whence the ungrateful whining and dumping on racistevilbad Whites, and the immigrants wondering how the nativists could even imagine a successful or prosperous nation without their unique gifts.

    There is no squaring this circle, pace Steve and all the good will he can offer. These are diametrically opposed views of America and immigration. One either celebrates the value-added America or laments the loss of the 'unenriched' America. To do both requires acceptance of an America that is not what it was or, I would argue, was intended to be. It would require all immigrants to let go of their special languages and religions and cultures and celebrate their purported similarities - with a little bit of ethnic flavor added or exemptions for the most (((special))). That is the future that Twinkie and Jack D and others tell us can be - and, they argue, ought to be worked towards and celebrated. The other side, which I unapologetically argue for, is the America that was and could have and should have been. That is what ought to be fought for and, even if doesn't end up including me or mine, is a thing of value on its own that I celebrate more than myself.

    So enriched America? Value-added America? Multicultural America?

    Or original America, White Christian America, the Founders' America?

    Pick one.
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  79. szopen says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD’s, so any error you will spot is mine too): let’s took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.

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    I think 22% roughly lines up with the reality - % of American Nobel Prize winners, Fields medals, billionaires, chess champions, etc. Some of these things seem pretty indisputably based on merit and can't be explained by ethnic nepotism.

    In some of these cases (e.g. Bobby Fischer) the subjects were raised completely outside the Jewish community and yet their Ashkenazi genius asserted itself. Fischer's real father was apparently Paul Nemenyi, who was a member of the group of Hungarian Jewish geniuses sometimes called "the Martians" because their brilliance seemed unearthly. Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).
    , @Lot

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107
     
    Who is VD? Link?

    The 107 number is pretty absurd, only a tad better than NE Asians. The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115. I doubt the number is different, though "unmixed Ashkenazi" have gone from about 4% of the US white population to under 2%, and also a decreasing share of Jews in Israel, so the significance of the question is disappearing for anything other than historical debate.

    , @utu
    The ethnic nepotism is the most important factor in Jewish overrepresentation. IQ is a very useful tool to detract people from thinking about ethnic nepotism. There is not question that Jews in American achieved unprecedented dominance. and thus as a top caste in the so-called meritocratic society will do everything to detract form ethnic nepotism allegations. One may even suspect that the main reason why the so-called research in the so-called IQ science is tolerated.


    You are correct that some recent meta studies indicate that Jewish IQ is closer to 106-107 and the cases when 110-115 were reported were on small samples.

    A comparative study of the general factor of personality in Jewish and non-Jewish populations
    Personality and Individual Differences 78 (2015) 63–67
    Curtis S. Dunkel, Charlie L. Reeve, Michael A. Woodley of Menie, Dimitri van der Linden
    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    ADD Health (Table 2) MIDUS II (Table 3) PT (Table 4)

    n(jews)=34 n(Jews)=98 n(Jews)=6915
    Jews ———111.24——–105.94——— 106.71
    Catholic——100.39——-100.56———102.92
    Methodist—-100.99 (P)—-99.44———103.99 (P)
    Baptist————————94.38—————–
    Agnostic/Atheists——105.46——-107.33———109.45
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  80. Jack D says:
    @Lot
    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    I don't have the time to recount from the start again the problems with Unz's article, and I disagree that "his basic conclusion stands". But my comment history has some examples in detail, and there are others even more extensive out there. Here is one:

    http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mertz-on-Unz-Meritocracy-Article.pdf

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses – in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing – e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren’t.

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    The diaspora has no interest in helping whites argue their own circumstantial reasons for being over represented, why would they extend such a courtesy in turn?
    , @res
    I agree with your assessment. What frustrates (and sometimes infuriates) me is that we as a nation are simultaneously unable to have an honest conversation about this while undergoing a barrage of disparate impact and other anti-white rhetoric from all of: our mass media, our leaders, and most of our so called "elites."

    It can be hard to separate out simple network effects from less benign things like nepotism and ethnic prejudice. I think it is worth noting (but am curious if you see this differently) that Jewish Americans tend to do very well in (e.g. are overrepresented) exactly the things they want to do well in, while I think the same statement is less applicable to other white Americans. Elite college admissions is perhaps the clearest example of this.

    I think the best metric for assessing overrepresentation would include all of the following, but that is unfortunately probably not achievable.
    - Proportion of group in the US population.
    - Proportion of group that is qualified to do X.
    - Proportion of group (not sure which slice is most important: all vs. qualified) that would like to do X.
    - Proportions of each group given an honest chance to do X (e.g. appropriate training or career path start for X).
    - Proportions of each group which successfully do X.
    , @Svigor
    What are Jews known for:

    Television
    Film
    Music
    Entertainment
    Publishing
    Academia
    Opinionating

    Law

    Finance

    The things in the first group are not "just happened to be" things, they are Jewish ethnic endeavors, all in (at least partly) the opinion-manufacturing biz. Law is sort of a bridge category but there's a lot of opinion-making power in law.

    There are super-smart people in, e.g., software and the oil biz but Jews aren't nearly as dominant. Big names like Zuckerface spring to mind, but guess what he's in the opinion-manufacturing social media biz.

    , @Twinkie

    there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry
     
    Network effect: “Sure, we dominate finance, politics, healthcare, and media, but Cambodians have their donut shops, Koreans laundromats and wig shops in vibrant neighborhoods, Hispanics lawn maintenance, and the blue-eyed blondes their small farms (i.e. being peasants). See, everyone networks. Everyone gets something.”

    IQ
     
    Question: Why do Jews get so many good spots?
    Answer: Because we have high IQ!
    Another question: What about the gentile whites and Asians?
    Answer: Sacrifices must be made for social harmony and make spaces available for the downtrodden blacks and Hispanics! You think that’s unfair? What are you, some kind of a racist? Where do you work?
    , @Anonymous
    Jews were already prominent in the theater before there was a film industry. It was a natural step for them. There was nothing accidental about it.
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  81. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    Don't like to contradict our astute and generous host, but this doesn't come close to cutting it.

    What we American whites need from the Jews is
    a) a "thank you" -- an appreciation that America has been very, very, very, very good to Jews (really ridiculously accommodating).
    b) a promise to stop screwing it up. Stop the anti-white nonsense. Stop importing people and close the border. Look to preserve the white-Euro (Western civilizational) roots and culture of the nation which in fact have enabled Jews to do so well here.
    c) an apology for all the damage they've already done. Ok, i know c) isn't going to happen, but it would be a nice way to demonstrate sincerity.

    And in return, we whites would continue to accept Jews as partners in this enterprise meriocratically, in which case they would do well.

    This sort of deal could only come with some realism on the part of Jews that they've done very very well in America, not because they are such geniuses or terrific contributors to American prosperity, but because they are doing their looting--or, if you like "trading and rent-seeking"--on top of a huge white-gentile, ergo prosperous, nation. Note, it's not like Jews can't create a prosperous nation themselves. They have high IQs (skewing verbal) and have done just this--with reasonable success--in Israel. But neither Jews nor Israel have numbers to actually create the wealth Jews have in America. (Proof by revealed choice. Despite "anti-Semitism!" ... Jews do not make Aliyah.) Jews are very well-to-do in America, because they are at the commanding heights of a big rich white-gentile nation. A nation which they have then chosen to tear down!--and make unpleasant for precisely the white-gentiles who've built it and provided such a lucrative opportunity for the Jews. (Gratitude is apparently not a Jewish virtue--at least gratitude to non-Jews.)

    That's the sort of deal that's--probably for a generation or so--potentially on the table. Jews can admit, "hey yeah we've been treated very well in America and done very well on top of a big rich white-gentile nation ... let's have the intelligence and honesty to admit that and not screw it up!"

    But the window for Jews coming to their senses--before demographics or white people coming to their senses makes it moot--is slowly closing. In the coming multi-culti future the Jews themselves have pushed for, this deal will not be available.

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters). There are a bunch of loudmouth kvetchers with daddy issues who confuse “America” with their fathers (and since they hate their fathers they hate America too) who get a disproportionate amount of attention. People with “daddy issues” are not grateful for what their parents have done for them. In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction – the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

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    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    I basically agree with that, but find your "true colors" wording disturbingly similar to "looting" in rhetorical effect.

    I think AnotherDad did (and does repeatedly on iSteve, as do you) a good job of expressing a fairly justifiable position (if one that is unlikely to ever happen). My sense is he is vulnerable (as am I and IMHO most others here) to sometimes letting his emotion seep into these extremely personal and controversial topics.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters).
     
    And I, for one, thank you for that. I also admire your willingness to argue your points in a sometimes hostile venue. There is a spectrum of this "adherence" and while I agree with you that the extremists are a minority, I am less sure those as reasonable as you are a majority. Though I think you are probably better placed to make that judgment.

    In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction – the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).
     
    That is perhaps the most viscerally infuriating aspect of this.

    I agree that it is disproportionate among the prosperous, but it is my sense that even after correcting for that it is disproportionate among Jews. Not sure about the relative disproportionateness though. Making assessments like this is difficult because we all encounter differently representative groups of people.
    , @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?--in economic terms, i'll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store--including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on--i.e. natural gas in the line--when it's cold. AC--i.e. power in the line--during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars--mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel--planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too--though i'd bet they are reigned in there--with more "we're in this together national feeling"--to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can't make as much say shaking down some company with a "shareholder" lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again--i've made this clear time and again--this isn't to say Jews can't or don't make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn't because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology--i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it's because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel--absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor--because the Jews there actually do do everything--farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making ... as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.
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  82. Issac says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.
     
    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses - in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing - e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren't.

    The diaspora has no interest in helping whites argue their own circumstantial reasons for being over represented, why would they extend such a courtesy in turn?

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  83. Benjaminl says:
    @Lot
    An interesting idea. So have you been trying to promote the necessary intracommunal good feelings among white Americans for this to work?

    I think our host deserves a lot of credit for the extremely civil and genteel nature of this blog and its comments section.

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling “jokes” about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)

    Where else can you find this kind of rational give-and-take?

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    The problem I see isn't the tone or comment moderation, no complaints there. The bigger issues I see are the posts that fall into these categories: (1) obnoxious Jew of the month posts (2) Jews are hypocrites on Israel v. USA borders posts (3) the "let me turn around some Jew's anti-white logic on Jews" post.

    What are the effect of them on readers? Is "you are a hypocrite" ever an effective argument at changing people's minds on things? I can't think of any example. I think they are common more because they are satisfying to make.

    The clear trend, which is now probably more than half-way complete, is for American Jews to either fall into the highly religious/low-influence/high-fertility/GOP voting counterculture or else assimilate into the generic white melting pot.

    Seriously, pick ten random non-ultra-orthodox Jewish people born in the 1930s-1940s. For them to have replacement level Jewish fertility, they'd need to have 40 all-Jewish grandchildren. The actual number is likely to be well under one half that amount. In other words, the number of purely Ashkenazi Americans who are not ultra-orthodox seems to be decreasing by well over 50% per generation, slowed only by the one-time event of mass USSR/exUSSR immigration from about 1975-1995.

    The problem of Jewish leftism is thus on track to resolve itself by the rapid disappearance of its ethnic base. This good process will be retarded, however, by attempts to critique Jews as a group, by defaming the Jewish ancestors of mixed-Jewish Americans, and other methods of encouraging Jews to be less like this guy http://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/38/kleefisch/about-joel/ and more like Matthew Wiener.

    , @Mr. Anon

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling “jokes” about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)
     
    Oftentimes, it has been 1. that begat 2.
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  84. Zogby says:

    It’s fortunate that only the political left is mired knee deep in identity politics, and the political right would never countenance such a thing.

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  85. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

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    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?
     
    This is an important point (and concise enough to bear repeating). The obvious response is that voting is the proper response there. Would the ability to have a reasonable national (and local) conversation about things like this followed by voting be enough?
    , @Brutusale
    It's fighting an old battle. The new High-Q group infesting the country doesn't care for any of us, Jew or gentile, the thoughts of the estimable Twinkie aside.

    At least they're more easily identified.
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  86. Educated, affluent Jews were the intellectual shock troops of the Enlightenment.

    The historian Jonathan Israel has written a series of books arguing that the radical branch of the Enlightenment, associated with the Baron d’Holbach, Denis Diderot and their fellow philosophes in mid 18th Century Paris, derived many of their writings of the Sephardic Jew Spinoza.

    Spinoza was largely self-educated, especially in Gentile learning after his Jewish community excommunicated him for heresy; but he was dirt poor.

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  87. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    So, why were Jews fleeing from the Nazis? Nazis broke down borders all across Europe. They could access France and the vast fields for Russia for several yrs. Hmmm, funny that open borders under Nazism were bad for Jews back then. Open Borders meant Open Season on Jews.

    When Nazis were on the rise, it seems Jews were seeking sanctuary in nations with working borders against Germany.

    Anyway, Weissman is to be thanked for letting the cat, or weasel, out of the bag.
    He made it so plain as day what it’s all about.

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  88. res says:
    @Lot
    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    I don't have the time to recount from the start again the problems with Unz's article, and I disagree that "his basic conclusion stands". But my comment history has some examples in detail, and there are others even more extensive out there. Here is one:

    http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mertz-on-Unz-Meritocracy-Article.pdf

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

    Thanks for your thoughtful and civil reply.

    I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”.

    My statement was far too vague. There were many conclusions in Unz’s article. I’ll try to be more specific in my later reply.

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

    I downloaded this and started reading it. It looks good so far, but will require some thought and cross checking to reply in detail.

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

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    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.
     
    Well, I haven't read all of this very long comment-thread, but since my name and my Meritocracy analysis came up, I should make it clear that I debunked the totally ludicrous Gelman/Mertz criticisms at the time they appeared, years ago. Here are links to three of my related columns from back then:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-dangerous-cancer-statistics/

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and "Lot") is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    I really would suggest that people take a look at one or two of my links ago, and decide for themselves whether or not my claims are correct.
    , @Lot

    but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position
     
    It does if the issue is the number of Jews admitted to top schools versus the relative number of qualified applicants. I don't think it is controversial that Jews are admitted a high level relative to their population share of 18-year-olds.

    I took (as did Gelman) Unz's core point to be that there was evidence of the top colleges discriminating in favor of Jews compared to white non-Jews. In fact, the opposite is true, for two main reasons. First, there is a geographic diversity preference that results in an admission bump to the heavily non-Jewish residents of the low-population Western states, plus a few more states that produce few very high scoring students like WV and MS. Second, there is an athletic preference, which is strongest for men's basketball, football and hockey, but exists to a smaller extent in many other sports.

    I have no objection to these preferences by the way, but they both certainly exist, and work against Jews and to an even greater extent Asians in favor of non-Jewish whites.

    At least on what I took to be his core point, the sloppy Jew counting, including taking Hillel's absurd and internally contradictory estimates of Jewish student scares screwed up the rest of the work. As does the idea that you can measure talent at the population level with competitions like IMO and Putnam. You might as well conclude that 90% of the most qualified high school students are South Asian based on spelling bee results. The PSAT presents a better method, but the problem is that being a NMS semifinalist is below what you need to get into the very top schools, and also Unz's Jew-counting was sloppy or biased there too.
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  89. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Ironically, the worst thing for Jews would be for white gentiles to listen to the advice of Jews.

    Whites should just forgo their white identity and join with rest of humanity and fight against privilege and hierarchy? OKAY. The main targets will be Jews. Look at UK. Labour whites have given up white identity and joined with POC against the Power. And Jews are freaking out because they got so much of it.

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  90. njguy73 says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead.

    Charles Murray said that in 1994 and it almost killed his career.

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  91. res says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.
     
    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses - in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing - e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren't.

    I agree with your assessment. What frustrates (and sometimes infuriates) me is that we as a nation are simultaneously unable to have an honest conversation about this while undergoing a barrage of disparate impact and other anti-white rhetoric from all of: our mass media, our leaders, and most of our so called “elites.”

    It can be hard to separate out simple network effects from less benign things like nepotism and ethnic prejudice. I think it is worth noting (but am curious if you see this differently) that Jewish Americans tend to do very well in (e.g. are overrepresented) exactly the things they want to do well in, while I think the same statement is less applicable to other white Americans. Elite college admissions is perhaps the clearest example of this.

    I think the best metric for assessing overrepresentation would include all of the following, but that is unfortunately probably not achievable.
    - Proportion of group in the US population.
    - Proportion of group that is qualified to do X.
    - Proportion of group (not sure which slice is most important: all vs. qualified) that would like to do X.
    - Proportions of each group given an honest chance to do X (e.g. appropriate training or career path start for X).
    - Proportions of each group which successfully do X.

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    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.
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  92. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    Imperialists flourish with open borders because they get to invade and ‘include’. China certainly includes Tibet, like Japan once included Manchuria and Taiwan.

    Nationalists protect and exclude.
    Imperialists invade and include.

    Anti-Imperialists flourish with secure borders because they can stop invasion and forcible inclusion by the world order. Palestine as a nation would still exist if Arabs had had the means to secure their borders and stop Zionist invasion that came to include Palestine as part of Jewish Empire. Jewish immigration eventually turned into Nakba Pogroms, of which 2018 is the 70th anniversary(but we hear nothing from the Jewish-dominant media), that wiped Palestine off the map.

    Jews were not always for open borders. Many Jews had hoped to remain in one city and put down roots. But they were expelled to OTHER PLACES because of ethnic conflict. And in the case of Old Jerusalem, the Open Borders and Open Invasion Policy sure didn’t do much for the Jewish kingdom-state… that was wiped off the map just like Palestine was wiped off the map in the 20th century. For much of history, Jewish movement was about free trade and opportunity but expulsion and exile.

    Eventually, Jews came to appreciate Open Borders because they piggybacked on Western Imperialism. Under protection and reach of British Imperialism, Jews plied the opium trade in China that was forced open, invaded, and carved up China along the coasts. Because Jewish power became so synonymous with Western Imperialism and now American Global hegemony, Jews seek to weaken every gentile nation to gain influence over them. When Russia was opened up to US hegemony in the 90s, it was a grand opportunity for globalist Jews to gain control of policy and totally loot the place.
    Also, Iraqi, Libyan, and Syrian borders were destabilized so that Jewish-controlled Foreign Policy could invade and destroy them for the interests of Israel. But these Jews who now call for the destruction of Iranian borders as well are always telling us that we must support and protect the ethnic integrity of Israel. I smell a weasel.

    Imperialists and hegemonists want Open Borders. For Jews, this means financial, military, and cultural domination of all the world through Wall Street, Hollywood, Harvard, and Pentagon. And these Jews made a pact with Third World Demographic Imperialists who seek to invade white lands and leech off white wealth. Invade-Invite policy has adherents among Third Worlders. The ‘gold star dad’ of Hillary’s campaign. “You can threaten or invade my country militarily as long as you allow us to demographically invade your country.” Fareed Zakaria and Amy Chua are big adherents of this. Bomb Syria! And Let them in.

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  93. @Unladen Swallow
    Ultimately because the coalition of the fringes they have assembled is untenable and will turn on them. Steve has pointed out how casual anti-Semitism has become prevalent in UC student government, something that would have beem unimaginable 15-20 years. These campuses have more Jews than your typical universities but it has made no difference whatsoever. This a preview of the coming attractions if Jews continue along this path.

    Jews seem to always overplay their hand with the host population. I think it is pure arrogance. You’d think they would learn, but hubris seems to be too deeply embedded in their DNA.

    When the chickens come home to roost in this country, as they have so many times in other countries, it could get ugly. And ironically, it won’t be the hated white rednecks exacting vengeance. It will be the black and brown people they currently consider their human pets.

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    However we can be certain that, decades later, they'll blame the white rednecks for not coming to their rescue in a timely enough fashion.
    , @Anon
    Hope I live to see the day. I live in the most non White immigrant state, California. From what I’ve seen, the Hispanic, black and Asian politicians and judges are totally under the thumb of the Jewish politicians and attorneys

    As long as Jews rule the politicians I doubt the clergy, business community and the rest of the non Whites will be able to resist Jewish power.

    Jews recruit the politicians in college and put them in power as long as they obey the Jews. The Jews don’t wait for a 3o year old attorney to run for city council or school board and recruit him her for congress or Mayor.

    The Jews look for their puppets in college when they are 18 or 19.

    Just look at the list of donors to every campaign in the big important states.

    Whites lost to affirmative action in 1968. It’s time Whites just go underground and check black in the application.

    We are the untouchables and are treated as such.
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  94. Jack D says:
    @szopen

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD's, so any error you will spot is mine too): let's took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.

    I think 22% roughly lines up with the reality – % of American Nobel Prize winners, Fields medals, billionaires, chess champions, etc. Some of these things seem pretty indisputably based on merit and can’t be explained by ethnic nepotism.

    In some of these cases (e.g. Bobby Fischer) the subjects were raised completely outside the Jewish community and yet their Ashkenazi genius asserted itself. Fischer’s real father was apparently Paul Nemenyi, who was a member of the group of Hungarian Jewish geniuses sometimes called “the Martians” because their brilliance seemed unearthly. Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

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    Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).
     
    There is a simple explanation: the smarter Jews in the various backwaters of the Pale migrated West for the better opportunities in the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires (as well as to the USA/UK/France/Canada)
    , @anon
    It's time to break out SAT scores for Jews as a group to verify this higher IQ claim.

    Using achievement in academia and industries does not count because dishonesty and clannishness can help a group succeed disproportionately, first in getting into elite universities, then in helping each other dominate industries.
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  95. Svigor says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    It’s a shitty deal, because right now if you grab any schlub he’ll gladly regurgitate the narrative about “White Privilege” and “White overrepresentation,” but he’s very unlikely to give you anything about Jewish Privilege or Jewish overrepresentation.

    And that goes both ways; Jews have been pummeling us forever and we’ve yet to throw a punch in return, so what’s in it for them?

    I’d rather keep harping on Jewish privilege and overrepresentation until they’re household memes. In fact that’s what I’m gonna do, regardless of any deals Jews make.

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  96. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    The first person to claim Jews have the highest IQ was…a Jew! Richard Hernstein made that claim for years and no one would listen, until he wrote The Bell Curve, but he had to reel in a fame seeking gentile like Charles Murray to legitimize his claim. All the IQ “experts” who came after were either Jewish or simply parroted Hernstein because they know they need to suck up to the Jews to get their book published.

    Is Jewish success a result of “high IQ”, or of cunning, ruthlessness and clannishness? Dishonest people always make honest people look stupid by comparison, that’s the kind of “high IQ” Jews like to boast about. A handful of extra cunning and ruthless Jews make it into a field, be it finance, media, Hollywood, academia, law, IT or politics, and they only hire and promote other Jews, with an occasional token black or Indian thrown in to satisfy the diversity hounds.

    Cunning and clannishness help them dominate an industry, then they point to their dominance in industry as evidence of their “high IQ”. They also make a point of citing one another’s work to make other Jews look prominent, more clannishness. The term “expert” is what Jews in the media call Jews in academia, or politics. Few if any non-Jew, especially if they are conservative (unless a Jewish neocon) are ever called an “expert” of anything. It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews.

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    "Few if any non-Jew, especially if they are conservative (unless a Jewish neocon) are ever called an “expert” of anything. It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews."

    ETS reported these data for the 1990 cohort, which they used to renorm the SAT
    www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    The 1990 M+R combined standard deviation was around 220. So Jews, at least ones who marked "Judaism" as a religion, had slightly less than a 7 point advantage over non-Hispanic Whites. It's a very large sample and so would drag any meta-analytic average towards it.
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  97. Lot says:
    @Benjaminl
    I think our host deserves a lot of credit for the extremely civil and genteel nature of this blog and its comments section.

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling "jokes" about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)

    Where else can you find this kind of rational give-and-take?

    The problem I see isn’t the tone or comment moderation, no complaints there. The bigger issues I see are the posts that fall into these categories: (1) obnoxious Jew of the month posts (2) Jews are hypocrites on Israel v. USA borders posts (3) the “let me turn around some Jew’s anti-white logic on Jews” post.

    What are the effect of them on readers? Is “you are a hypocrite” ever an effective argument at changing people’s minds on things? I can’t think of any example. I think they are common more because they are satisfying to make.

    The clear trend, which is now probably more than half-way complete, is for American Jews to either fall into the highly religious/low-influence/high-fertility/GOP voting counterculture or else assimilate into the generic white melting pot.

    Seriously, pick ten random non-ultra-orthodox Jewish people born in the 1930s-1940s. For them to have replacement level Jewish fertility, they’d need to have 40 all-Jewish grandchildren. The actual number is likely to be well under one half that amount. In other words, the number of purely Ashkenazi Americans who are not ultra-orthodox seems to be decreasing by well over 50% per generation, slowed only by the one-time event of mass USSR/exUSSR immigration from about 1975-1995.

    The problem of Jewish leftism is thus on track to resolve itself by the rapid disappearance of its ethnic base. This good process will be retarded, however, by attempts to critique Jews as a group, by defaming the Jewish ancestors of mixed-Jewish Americans, and other methods of encouraging Jews to be less like this guy http://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/38/kleefisch/about-joel/ and more like Matthew Wiener.

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  98. Svigor says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    No, Jews swarm certain industries that involve opinion-making and influence-peddling, it’s an ethnic thing for them.

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  99. Svigor says:
    @Jack D
    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    Your case was shit. Jews have a gift for repeating the same horseshit ad naseam; at some point it behooves to give it the respect it deserves and move on.

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  100. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    I think 22% roughly lines up with the reality - % of American Nobel Prize winners, Fields medals, billionaires, chess champions, etc. Some of these things seem pretty indisputably based on merit and can't be explained by ethnic nepotism.

    In some of these cases (e.g. Bobby Fischer) the subjects were raised completely outside the Jewish community and yet their Ashkenazi genius asserted itself. Fischer's real father was apparently Paul Nemenyi, who was a member of the group of Hungarian Jewish geniuses sometimes called "the Martians" because their brilliance seemed unearthly. Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

    Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

    There is a simple explanation: the smarter Jews in the various backwaters of the Pale migrated West for the better opportunities in the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires (as well as to the USA/UK/France/Canada)

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    But why not Vienna or Prague (not that there weren't brilliant Jews there too), why especially Budapest?
    , @res
    Though your explanation is true, I find it insufficient to explain this group of people so far out on the ability tail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

    P.S. Kind of funny for me to be writing this given how much I go on about the explanatory power of selection effects.
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  101. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    I think 22% roughly lines up with the reality - % of American Nobel Prize winners, Fields medals, billionaires, chess champions, etc. Some of these things seem pretty indisputably based on merit and can't be explained by ethnic nepotism.

    In some of these cases (e.g. Bobby Fischer) the subjects were raised completely outside the Jewish community and yet their Ashkenazi genius asserted itself. Fischer's real father was apparently Paul Nemenyi, who was a member of the group of Hungarian Jewish geniuses sometimes called "the Martians" because their brilliance seemed unearthly. Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

    It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews as a group to verify this higher IQ claim.

    Using achievement in academia and industries does not count because dishonesty and clannishness can help a group succeed disproportionately, first in getting into elite universities, then in helping each other dominate industries.

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  102. @Pat Boyle
    I always think of Jewishness as a hope for the future.

    When I look at my little piebald dog who wags his tail and licks my hand and appears to be nothing at all like a wolf, I am overwhelmed with the power of unnatural selection. Why can't we simply do something similar with our own species? Yes I know that that would constitute eugenics and eugenics is wrong (although I can't quite remember why).

    Then I remember the Jews. As Cochran pointed out, Jews are smarter now but haven't been for very long. Vegetius classified the peoples around the Mediterranean by their smarts and never mentioned the Jews. Two thousand years ago Jews were a significant population. But in those two millennia Jews almost disappeared but got bred for high intelligence. What would race relations be like in America if blacks were a standard deviation smarter than the base white Europeans rather than a standard deviation dumber?

    Europeans probably have a 30,000 year advantage on sub-Saharan blacks but we could maybe erase that gap in only a couple hundred years with selective breeding. Of course in a couple hundred years other factors will come into play. By then if there are still people they will probably have the option to be a robot and choose their strength, intelligence and other attributes. I doubt that organic humans will ever live on Mars but inorganic humans might find it salubrious.

    I see all these possibilities when I think of the Jews - the human breeding experiment. I also think of Ricardo Montalban playing Khan on Star Trek. Khan and his people were a genetic experiment of earthlings trying to develop a better, smarter human. What was the result? Khan and his kind were hated and feared - ultimately being destroyed by the normals. That's a pretty good model for twentieth and twenty first century anti-Semitism.

    So the moral is to shoot the Jews into space?

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  103. res says:
    @Jack D
    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do "looting" you show your true colors.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters). There are a bunch of loudmouth kvetchers with daddy issues who confuse "America" with their fathers (and since they hate their fathers they hate America too) who get a disproportionate amount of attention. People with "daddy issues" are not grateful for what their parents have done for them. In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction - the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    I basically agree with that, but find your “true colors” wording disturbingly similar to “looting” in rhetorical effect.

    I think AnotherDad did (and does repeatedly on iSteve, as do you) a good job of expressing a fairly justifiable position (if one that is unlikely to ever happen). My sense is he is vulnerable (as am I and IMHO most others here) to sometimes letting his emotion seep into these extremely personal and controversial topics.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters).

    And I, for one, thank you for that. I also admire your willingness to argue your points in a sometimes hostile venue. There is a spectrum of this “adherence” and while I agree with you that the extremists are a minority, I am less sure those as reasonable as you are a majority. Though I think you are probably better placed to make that judgment.

    In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction – the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

    That is perhaps the most viscerally infuriating aspect of this.

    I agree that it is disproportionate among the prosperous, but it is my sense that even after correcting for that it is disproportionate among Jews. Not sure about the relative disproportionateness though. Making assessments like this is difficult because we all encounter differently representative groups of people.

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  104. @Jack D
    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do "looting" you show your true colors.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters). There are a bunch of loudmouth kvetchers with daddy issues who confuse "America" with their fathers (and since they hate their fathers they hate America too) who get a disproportionate amount of attention. People with "daddy issues" are not grateful for what their parents have done for them. In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction - the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?–in economic terms, i’ll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store–including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on–i.e. natural gas in the line–when it’s cold. AC–i.e. power in the line–during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars–mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel–planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too–though i’d bet they are reigned in there–with more “we’re in this together national feeling”–to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can’t make as much say shaking down some company with a “shareholder” lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again–i’ve made this clear time and again–this isn’t to say Jews can’t or don’t make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn’t because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology–i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it’s because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel–absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor–because the Jews there actually do do everything–farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making … as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

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    Well said.
    , @Jack D
    Markets have no moral judgment but they are "right" by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That's why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor - he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be "right" or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn't make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally - I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market - who am I to fight it?

    It's pretty strange that "No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers" etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it's been tried in certain places) and you'll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don't put oil in your car, it won't take you from place to place.
    , @hyperbola
    Remember that already Plato defined the "extractive financiers" as parasites on society. We have been suffering from parasites for far too long.
    , @Vinteuil
    I'l go res one better - this is *very* well said.
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  105. Lot says:
    @szopen

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD's, so any error you will spot is mine too): let's took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107

    Who is VD? Link?

    The 107 number is pretty absurd, only a tad better than NE Asians. The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115. I doubt the number is different, though “unmixed Ashkenazi” have gone from about 4% of the US white population to under 2%, and also a decreasing share of Jews in Israel, so the significance of the question is disappearing for anything other than historical debate.

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    Vox Day

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html

    To have a meaningful conversation about this it is important to be clear about which particular populations (e.g. Sephardic Jews, American Jews, ...) are (and are not) meant. Thank you for doing that.

    Do you have a link for the studies you mention?
    , @lavoisier
    I cite from the great essay The Myth of American Meritocracy written by Ron Unz:

    Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,64 but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65

    And don't be disparaging of the Northeast Asian IQ of 106. The Asian students are the meritocratic elite in America today--it is not the Jews. If the Jewish IQ is so much higher than the Northeast Asian IQ, why are the National Merit Finalist winners disproportionately Asian and not Jewish?

    , @James Forrestal

    The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115
     
    Oy gevalt. Clearly "mass mandatory studies" means something entirely different in Yiddish than what it clearly denotes in the English language. Either that, or you're attempting to demolish the "high Ashkenazi IQ" trope in a rather indirect/ meta fashion.

    I see that others have linked to the Vox Day piece on this already, but it's clear that you need someone to summarize it for you in a simpler fashion, that you find easier to comprehend. The actual origin of the "115 IQ" canard is as follows (leaving aside the constant attempts to conflate "Ashkenazi" with "Jewish" -- what's the average IQ of Mizrahim again?):

    This number originates with Cochran and Harpending's work, which cited a 112-115 range for Ashkenazi IQ. Jewish supremacists always take the top end of this range, of course, because reasons. (The 112-115 range given is already at the top end of published measurements). That's not a primary source, though.

    So where did Cochran and Harpending get this number from? I'm glad you asked.

    A 1957 study by Boris Levinson entitled "The Intelligence of Applicants for Admission to Jewish Day Schools" published in Jewish Social Studies,Vol. 19, No. 3/4 (Jul. - Oct., 1957), pp. 129-140.

    "This study is limited to applicants for Day Schools adhering to the principles of the National Commission for Yeshiva Education. This sampling does not claim to represent the entire Jewish school population or even those children attending yeshiva Day Schools with a different educational emphasis."

    The study tested on;y 38% of the pupils, without any description of the selection process -- more selection bias. Yeah, that really sounds like some "mass mandatory studies" there, doesn't it?

    Vox Day also points out that the Levinson study cites a prior (1956 ) IQ study performed by Robert D. North, involving a group of American fourth-graders from 16 independent private schools. What was the average IQ in that study? 119.3
    Dang, so White Europeans have an average IQ over 119? Who knew? It's the same "reasoning" process, and just as valid...

    Vox Day also goes through the IQ numbers for Israel (avg. IQ = 95). Sure, they try to blame it on the Arabs, but the numbers just don't work. If Ashkenazi IQ = 115, and Arab IQ = 84 (avg IQ for Jordan), for Israeli average IQ to be 95, non-Ashkenazi Jews would have to have an average IQ of 85.

    Looks like that average IQ of 95 correlates pretty well with their academic performance, too:

    https://kek.gg/i/7z4DM-.png
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  106. res says:
    @Anonymous
    The issue isn't overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don't perceive as sharing their interests?

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

    This is an important point (and concise enough to bear repeating). The obvious response is that voting is the proper response there. Would the ability to have a reasonable national (and local) conversation about things like this followed by voting be enough?

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  107. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.
     
    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses - in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing - e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren't.

    What are Jews known for:

    Television
    Film
    Music
    Entertainment
    Publishing
    Academia
    Opinionating

    Law

    Finance

    The things in the first group are not “just happened to be” things, they are Jewish ethnic endeavors, all in (at least partly) the opinion-manufacturing biz. Law is sort of a bridge category but there’s a lot of opinion-making power in law.

    There are super-smart people in, e.g., software and the oil biz but Jews aren’t nearly as dominant. Big names like Zuckerface spring to mind, but guess what he’s in the opinion-manufacturing social media biz.

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    What are Jews known for:
     
    I would include medicine and physics in your categories as well. A lot of advances in these fields have been made by Jews.
    , @Old Jew
    Dear Svigor,

    When I was young, many, many computer scientists were Jews.
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  108. Jack D says:
    @res
    I agree with your assessment. What frustrates (and sometimes infuriates) me is that we as a nation are simultaneously unable to have an honest conversation about this while undergoing a barrage of disparate impact and other anti-white rhetoric from all of: our mass media, our leaders, and most of our so called "elites."

    It can be hard to separate out simple network effects from less benign things like nepotism and ethnic prejudice. I think it is worth noting (but am curious if you see this differently) that Jewish Americans tend to do very well in (e.g. are overrepresented) exactly the things they want to do well in, while I think the same statement is less applicable to other white Americans. Elite college admissions is perhaps the clearest example of this.

    I think the best metric for assessing overrepresentation would include all of the following, but that is unfortunately probably not achievable.
    - Proportion of group in the US population.
    - Proportion of group that is qualified to do X.
    - Proportion of group (not sure which slice is most important: all vs. qualified) that would like to do X.
    - Proportions of each group given an honest chance to do X (e.g. appropriate training or career path start for X).
    - Proportions of each group which successfully do X.

    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other “plugged in” elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage – these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.” On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don’t understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all – gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers – THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect – it’s not just Jared Kushner, it’s Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

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    Both of chelsea's parents became lackeys of jewish treason and racism to further their political careers. No surprise that Chelsea then married into a jewish banker family already convicted of fraud.
    , @res
    I basically agree with the point you are making here, but question it being the complete explanation.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.”
     
    I think this was true 30-40 years ago, but question it a bit now. If true, it is a distressing indictment of their school guidance counselors.

    It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.
     
    Was this always so? I think there is a significant chicken and the egg issue here which bears examination.
    , @anon
    If Jews are of such high IQ, why isn't a single university from Israel on the Time's list of Top 100 universities in the World? Don't use "old" as an excuse either, the list includes many relatively new East Asian universities (new compared to Oxbridge, Ivies). There are 9 universities in Israel. The highest ranked university in Israel is Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in the 201-250 range. The two Jewish dominant universities in the US, Brandeis and Yeshiva, are not even on the list of top 800.

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

    Indians love to tout their IIT, but the highest ranked university in India is Indian Institute of Science, ranked in the 251-300 range. Majority of India's best IITs are ranked in the 500-800 range. Indians and Jews are like parasites, they can only thrive in something someone else created. When they have to create something of their own, they suck.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm with Res on this one. I generally agree with what you're saying but feel that it's a tad dated. I grew up around the bright fly-over whites of which you speak, and, while a few were looking to East Coast schools, most were fine with the Flagship State U. This was backed up many years later when I worked with an economist who had been a professor at one of the two highest ranked Big Ten universities. He was a Jew from the East Coast, and he mentioned how shocked he was when he arrived and discovered year after year some incredibly bright kids who told him that they had never thought of going to any school outside of their state flagship.

    Granted, that was a very good flag ship university, but the same held true for other states.

    However, again, this is from the 1980s and 1990s so things likely have changed.

    Look, I'm not saying that ethnic nepotism is the sole reason that Jews are so over-represented, but to claim that it's not a factor is silly. And, frankly, I don't see why it's a bad thing. Jews look after Jews - when they can and when it doesn't hurt their own career. What's wrong with that?
    , @William Badwhite
    You make some good points Jack and I agree with whichever commenter commended you for being willing to go back and forth with some of the folks here.

    However even if your explanations for the Jewish over-representation in the Ivy's fully captures the reasons (and I don't think they do) that doesn't change the fact you can't have it both ways (2nd person you, not first person). All the disparate impact nonsense that is now a guiding creed in our country rests on the assumption that reasons do not matter. All that matters is the numbers. Over-representation is, ipso facto, proof of racism, discrimination, women-hating, whatever badness.

    And unfortunately, it would seem that Jews are over-represented among those arguing that "disparate impact" is a legitimate way to measure discrimination.

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  109. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).
     
    There is a simple explanation: the smarter Jews in the various backwaters of the Pale migrated West for the better opportunities in the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires (as well as to the USA/UK/France/Canada)

    But why not Vienna or Prague (not that there weren’t brilliant Jews there too), why especially Budapest?

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    Hungarian is a language isolate, so smart Hungarians study STEM instead of the fashionable sophistries (psychology, Marxism, lesbianism) of the day.
    , @Lot
    I don't know if Hungarian Jews had more achievements per capita than the Viennese.
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  110. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    While endless clickbait articles are churned out on topics like #OscarsSoWhite theorizing that white overrepresentation in good jobs can only be explained by a vast racist conspiracy among white people, the similar overrepresentation of Jews relative to gentiles is simply not discussed in polite society. White Privilege is currently an American mania, but the analogous concept of Jewish Privilege barely exists.

     

    Isn't this where NE Asians (and, to a lessor degree, South Asians) come in. Whites finally have a group that does better than them that they can openly point out. Despite what Jews think, the vast, vast majority of white Gentiles simply think of Jews as another white ethnic group, like Italians or Irish, so we either didn't notice their success or didn't care. As a result, when SJWs scream white privilege, it didn't cross our minds to use Jewish success as a defense. (Of course, with Jews screaming at the top of their lungs that they aren't "white," this may change in the future. Be careful what you wish for, btw.)

    But NE Asians are a different story. The White privilege argument simply falls apart when confronted with Asian success. It's why the media - in the words of Whiskey - hate, hate, hate to mentioned NE Asians and much prefer to keep the debate black and white.

    Granted, I don't think that it much matters. The Gentile and Jewish leftists and the "Is it good for the Jews" Jews got what they wanted: Demographic transformation. Even if Gentile whites wake up to being duped, it'll be too late. The best that Gentile whites can hope for in the future is carving out a place for themselves in a multi-everything society.

    We're all Jews now; time to start acting like them.

    Recently I sat through a presentation given by a high-level bureaucrat who works in city planning in a major American city. He presented a bar chart that showed the average household wealth in the city by race. As posters here probably know, the racial disparities in household wealth are much larger than those in income, and the chart showed whites towering over blacks and Hispanics. He told us that this showed the continuing effects of discrimination.

    Although the city has a prominent Asian population, the chart showed only whites, blacks, and Hispanics. At the bottom of the pages there was an asterisk, followed by small text that said something like “Partial data. Not all racial groups shown.”

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  111. @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Uh, no, as many others have pointing out including Ron Unz here (Unz.com link doesn’t appear to be working) http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/. For example Jews are way over represented at Harvard even taking into account their supposed higher IQ. Gentile whites and Asians are way under represented. There’s obvious ethnic nepotism going on.

    See here also: http://whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-45.htm

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  112. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Transnational Capitalist Entitlement 101:

    Leading Auckland immigration lawyer Aaron Martin weighs in on the re-cent comments in the media from unions about transmission gully and the concerns around labour short-ages taking jobs from New Zealanders.

    Recently unions have been griping about ex-patriot workers being brought in to complete transmission gully. They really ought to be more in tune with the labour market.

    People are asking why employers can’t train up Kiwis. A better question is: what is the current education system doing to get young New Zealanders work-ready? And what incentives are employers being given to train? Should employers be expected to make up for the inadequacies of our existing education sys-tem, which delivers school leavers qualified in nothing, and of no use to the 21st century employment market?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1805/S00018/its-a-skill-shortage-dummy-not-a-labour-shortage.htm

    NZ is upside down, the left shows more patriotism than the right.

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  113. res says:
    @Lot

    Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).
     
    There is a simple explanation: the smarter Jews in the various backwaters of the Pale migrated West for the better opportunities in the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires (as well as to the USA/UK/France/Canada)

    Though your explanation is true, I find it insufficient to explain this group of people so far out on the ability tail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

    P.S. Kind of funny for me to be writing this given how much I go on about the explanatory power of selection effects.

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  114. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    But why not Vienna or Prague (not that there weren't brilliant Jews there too), why especially Budapest?

    Hungarian is a language isolate, so smart Hungarians study STEM instead of the fashionable sophistries (psychology, Marxism, lesbianism) of the day.

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  115. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    Did they draw that district so there was no one living in it with a less than six figure income?

    I love this quote from his website on immigration:


    “I think it’s easy for people like you and me who wear suits and ties and work in offices to cast aspersions on those with a tenth-grade education . . . But let’s talk about some of these folks with a tenth-grade education . . . I have had the opportunity to meet over the years many farmworkers who have had families die under brutal conditions in the heat so that you or I can have less expensive orange juice, cheaper artichokes, or less expensive garlic . . . and I just want to suggest that these people have given far more to American society than you or I ever will.” - Congressman Ted W. Lieu
     
    Please, invite them to be your constituents in Malibu Ted.

    As a group, the Chinese are the most conservative of all Asian groups, the majority identify themselves as independent voters. The most liberal ethnic groups among Asians are the South Asians — Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis. However East Asians who went to elite schools like Ivies or Stanford tend to turn into the biggest Kool Aid drinking libtards. Ted Lieu who went to Stanford is one such sell-out, others include Derrick Watson and Theodore Chang, judges from HI and MD respectively who struck down all of Trump’s immigration EO’s, both went to Harvard Law. This is the main reason why I think elite schools’ discrimination against Asians is a good thing. We don’t need more Kool Aid drinking leftist dogs like these three.

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  116. res says:
    @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?--in economic terms, i'll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store--including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on--i.e. natural gas in the line--when it's cold. AC--i.e. power in the line--during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars--mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel--planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too--though i'd bet they are reigned in there--with more "we're in this together national feeling"--to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can't make as much say shaking down some company with a "shareholder" lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again--i've made this clear time and again--this isn't to say Jews can't or don't make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn't because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology--i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it's because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel--absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor--because the Jews there actually do do everything--farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making ... as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

    Well said.

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  117. hyperbola says:
    @Anon
    Jack D:

    You're wrong. Jewish and Gentile elites are not equivalent and one shouldn't "forget" the differences between them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh4MSZjhdoU&lc=z23

    We are being robbed and manipulated by a corrupt, abusive, racist mafia. It is a mafia that operates world-wide and robs, abuses, manipulates many countries. Note, for example, that Haim Saban contributes to jewish abuse of the majority populations in both the US and Germany.

    Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the World’s Media

    http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/

    The Israel Lobby in Germany | Freemasonry – Scribd

    https://es.scribd.com/document/236970539/The-Israel-Lobby-in-Germany

    The ProSieben / Sat1 Group, which combines the German TV station ProSieben, Sat.1, Kabel eins, N24, 9Live and which are especially designed for women transmitter Sixx under one roof, is in possession of the Jew Haim Saban. The Axel Springer Foundation, which was part of the Axel Springer AG conducted from 1981 to 2010 by the Jew Ernst Cramer. After Cramer’s death Friede Springer himself took over as CEO. Friede Springer is a Zionist and got 2000 even the Leo Baeck Prize, the highest award of the Central Council of Jews in Germany. CEO of Axel Springer AG is the Zionist Dopfner Matthias, who has held a position at the Aspen Institute Berlin at the same time. The Aspen Institute is an American lobby, which was founded after WW2 propaganda purposes. The Institute is managed by Trustees, the President and CEO is the Jew Walter Isaacson…..

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  118. AaronB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    You’re not begging your masters hard enough, Steve.

    White men of your generation cannot imagine challenging Jews for supremacy. You’re the generation that let Jews gain ascendancy to begin with, despite having all the advantage in orders of magnitude more white people with high IQs.

    You just surrendered – and it’s clear now you can’t break the habit. It’s unrealistic to expect you now to change course. You’re the generation that sold out to a tiny tribe with way less smart people than you to begin with.

    We must wait for the next generation.

    In the meantime, since you can’t write about Jews, even when you’re super critical of them, without at the same time adopting a submissive posture and generally affirming their status as masters, why not stop writing about them?

    You’re really not doing white people a favor by spreading your submissiveness and defeatism.

    I think we all understand you are too deeply conditioned to change – but stop corrupting the next generation.

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  119. @Ozymandias
    "...and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles."

    It's in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?

    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?

    What is your proposal to check them?

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    You wish to know my plans, now, do you?
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  120. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D
    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    Both of chelsea’s parents became lackeys of jewish treason and racism to further their political careers. No surprise that Chelsea then married into a jewish banker family already convicted of fraud.

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    Enough already with the compliments. Do you have anything BAD to say about Chelsea?
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  121. res says:
    @Lot

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107
     
    Who is VD? Link?

    The 107 number is pretty absurd, only a tad better than NE Asians. The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115. I doubt the number is different, though "unmixed Ashkenazi" have gone from about 4% of the US white population to under 2%, and also a decreasing share of Jews in Israel, so the significance of the question is disappearing for anything other than historical debate.

    Vox Day

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html

    To have a meaningful conversation about this it is important to be clear about which particular populations (e.g. Sephardic Jews, American Jews, …) are (and are not) meant. Thank you for doing that.

    Do you have a link for the studies you mention?

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  122. @Twinkie

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived.
     
    Goodness. You are absolutely right about the arrogant lack of self-awareness. This passage sounds like something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (or at least a modern variation of it).

    It’s almost as if ‘anti-Semitic propaganda’ through the ages might actually have some significant truth to it.

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  123. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?--in economic terms, i'll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store--including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on--i.e. natural gas in the line--when it's cold. AC--i.e. power in the line--during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars--mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel--planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too--though i'd bet they are reigned in there--with more "we're in this together national feeling"--to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can't make as much say shaking down some company with a "shareholder" lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again--i've made this clear time and again--this isn't to say Jews can't or don't make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn't because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology--i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it's because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel--absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor--because the Jews there actually do do everything--farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making ... as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

    Markets have no moral judgment but they are “right” by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That’s why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor – he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be “right” or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn’t make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally – I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it’s been tried in certain places) and you’ll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

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    What markets? Already Adam Smith identified that nations such as Britain and the US do NOT have free markets or cqapitalism, but rather mercantilism in which "businessmen" control the government for their own benefit. Smith was pretty adamant about never letting more than three such persons together in a room - they would immediately start preying on the majority population.
    , @res

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this.
     
    I think AnotherDad was clear about his point. If perhaps not explicit enough. People want the output of the "regulated capitalist order that we have." There is a philosophical question about wanting lawyers vs. wanting their product though. I think you are smart enough to see AnotherDad's point even if you disagree with it so I was a bit surprised by your response quoted above (though you do draw out the relevant points in the rest of your response, it is clear you are a good lawyer).

    Another way to express this is to observe that law is one of the few professions where a single lawyer becoming involved usually means at least one more becomes necessary. This is a negative sum game for the other players, but a necessary one once it is started. It seems to map fairly well into a Prisoner's dilemma where "stays silent" = "does not hire a lawyer" and "betrays" = "hires a lawyer": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma (I am sure you don't need the link, but included for completeness).

    Why they get paid so well is a fascinating question. Some thoughts.
    - Skill requirements. And skill arms races--they are competitive fields and winning matters (how many more tangibly productive fields benefit as much not just from winning but from defeating skilled opponents? Business is similar in this regard. Contrast engineering, personal services, or education.).
    - Trade union style behavior.
    - Probably more, but the ones I was coming up with mapped into those two.

    This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?
     
    I think this is often the crux of these conversations. And a big reason opposing sides have trouble understanding each other. Some people view the market as a fact of nature. Others view it as a tool for living (both individually and as a group). Tools serve their users, not the other way around.

    To be clear, I don't think there is a single correct answer here. But it is helpful to understand where other people are coming from even if they are "wrong" in your (or my) world view.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

     

    I want the federal funds rate to go from place to place.

    It's now one and a half percent or higher by a trace.

    Fed Chair Powell should go to the normal 6 percent place.

    Bernanke wouldn't do it, neither would Yellen.

    Asset bubble popping ain't what they're selling.

    I am more than convinced that the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire will never "normalize" interest rates, for if they did, the asset bubbles in real estate, bonds and stocks would pop, and many of them would be liquidated financially and then they would be forcibly deported from the United States.

    It took a blog post about Jonathan Weisman to get some essential financial talk from the Unz Review commentariat.

    If you ain't talking monetary policy and debt or mass immigration and demography, you ain't talking.
    , @Anonymous
    Opioid manufacturers and dealers make lots of money as well.
    , @SimpleSong
    Japan has a much lower number of lawyers per capita than the U.S. Do you feel that their society would improve if they had more? It seems to me they manage to resolve their disputes more effectively than we do, and that their justice system functions quite well. They also have a much less prominent finance industry and (I assume) fewer I-bankers per capita as well. Would they be better off with more?

    Simply because people find themselves in a situation where the structure of society makes them obligated to pay for something does not mean that that thing advances their own personal interests or those of society in general. Money and value are not the same thing but your post appears to conflate them. Of course this is very common among Americans; for example constantly crowing about GDP. GDP is an extremely poor metric for the well being of a society: things like total life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. are much better metrics since they are based on actual physical reality.

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well?
     
    Please tell me you are a high school student masquerading as a lawyer. Put the Fountainhead away please.

    You have heard the term 'rent-seeking?' Like when Disney pays some lobbyists to get congress to extend copyright terms, and then pays some lawyers to enforce these extended copyright terms, lots of people get paid. Lawyers get paid. Disney gets paid. But the net result for society is bad; society is deprived of works that should have been public domain. This is just one example. This is why no one likes I-bankers, lawyers, etc.: because they frequently do not provide value to society. They are parasites. They are not always parasites, but often they are. Simply because what they do is legal and well paid does not change the fact that they are parasites.
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  124. hyperbola says:
    @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?--in economic terms, i'll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store--including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on--i.e. natural gas in the line--when it's cold. AC--i.e. power in the line--during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars--mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel--planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too--though i'd bet they are reigned in there--with more "we're in this together national feeling"--to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can't make as much say shaking down some company with a "shareholder" lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again--i've made this clear time and again--this isn't to say Jews can't or don't make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn't because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology--i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it's because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel--absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor--because the Jews there actually do do everything--farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making ... as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

    Remember that already Plato defined the “extractive financiers” as parasites on society. We have been suffering from parasites for far too long.

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  125. res says:
    @Jack D
    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    I basically agree with the point you are making here, but question it being the complete explanation.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.”

    I think this was true 30-40 years ago, but question it a bit now. If true, it is a distressing indictment of their school guidance counselors.

    It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    Was this always so? I think there is a significant chicken and the egg issue here which bears examination.

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    No, but the Jews have been plugged into it for a generation or two now. I was not plugged into this network as a kid growing up on a farm in NJ but I was able to take advantage of America's meritocratic system - there was a sort of golden interval where OTOH Jews were no longer barred from the Ivies but OTOH getting in was not the fierce competition that is is today. But at college I knew Jewish kids whose parents were college educated and had been plugged in a generation or 2 earlier (but not beyond that).

    But, now that I am on the inside, my kids growing up on the Main Line of Philadelphia were sure plugged into it (not that they weren't very bright and would have gotten into good schools on their own). Once you are on the inside of these networks it tends to perpetuate after that. There is some "from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations" but there is also a lot of stickiness in the elites, especially now that college has been dumbed down. I know (mostly Jewish but also some part Jewish and not Jewish) kids who, were there parents not plugged in in the way that I have described, there's no way in hell that they could have attended an elite university. I'm not sure that these parents are really doing their kids a favor, but sending your kid to an elite school is a prestige good like driving a BMW.

    , @sayless
    With regard to farm families and the Ivy League: It's possible that kids from those communities are not accepted because there aren't as many application-enhancing activities available to them. The tiny rural school I attended only had Future Farmers of America. A kid could have excellent SAT scores and no chance of getting in.

    But I think the ethnic bias has a lot of influence on admissions.

    William Deresiewicz pointed out that the most underrepresented demographic cohort at the Ivies are working class and rural whites.
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  126. @Tyrion 2
    I don't really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians...

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral 'white privilege' is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn't openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can't pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren't quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren't very many Jews so what's the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What's weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    There’s a strategic difference between ignoring or complaining about animus—and fighting back and literally drawing blood. If an individual or group is, or becomes, unwilling to do the latter, animus and contempt towards them may likely increase. This is basic schoolyard stuff.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    If people, especially intelligent, otherwise reasonable people, start not being nice in the form of “sounding like Hitler”— that ideally should serve as ample warning to the source of their ire: Mend your anti-white ways, or some groups/individuals with executive agency may start acting like Hitler & Co.

    Our host Steve is very nice, but not too nice, and while he doesn’t sound at all like Hitler, he is willing to talk plainly about Jews and any other subject of interest. But be aware: The world is full of everyday people who don’t hold ‘niceness’ as the ultimate value, and will remorselessly draw blood if increasingly cornered.

    “I want you to be nice. Until it’s time… to not be nice.”

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    Your post reads like it was written by one of the Mafia goons from the Simpsons.

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group.

    And yes that group does include most Jews by my reckoning.

    But that group is normally called 'white people', so your goonish post now seems to be inadvertently directed at yourself.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks for people who are both white and Jewish, it does at least make for an amusing observation. I had a giggle.

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  127. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D
    Markets have no moral judgment but they are "right" by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That's why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor - he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be "right" or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn't make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally - I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market - who am I to fight it?

    It's pretty strange that "No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers" etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it's been tried in certain places) and you'll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don't put oil in your car, it won't take you from place to place.

    What markets? Already Adam Smith identified that nations such as Britain and the US do NOT have free markets or cqapitalism, but rather mercantilism in which “businessmen” control the government for their own benefit. Smith was pretty adamant about never letting more than three such persons together in a room – they would immediately start preying on the majority population.

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  128. Svigor says:

    While Jews tend to pride themselves on being intellectually fractious—“Ask two Jews, get three opinions”

    I’ll raise you “there are Jews on every side of this issue.”

    WGAF? Yes, we know there are a lot of loudmouth Jews who love giving us their opinions, and given millions of Jews, you can find quite a few dissenters on any given policy* – meaningless, powerless dissenters, if you ignore their utility as fig leaves for Jewry. The overall vector of Jewry is what usually matters; what are they strongly divided on? Because there’s a whole lot they aren’t, like support for Zionism, opposition to the Iran deal, support for Democrats and (Jewish-particularist) leftism, open borders for White countries and closed borders for Israel, or hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    *Except this one: hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel. You’ve gotta look pretty hard to find these Jews, and be willing to squint pretty hard at the ones you get.

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    Endless war and a garrison state?

    A large group religious males that don't work?

    Hostility towards your closest ethnic relatives next door?

    Being confined to a small strip of coast versus being a middle class Ottoman citizen?
    , @Lot
    Christian whites want an Israel? How about Georgia and Armenia? The ancestors of the Ashkenazi left rhe Levant about the same time a lot of the ancestors of the Slavs and Eastern Germanics left this general area. No African migrants and very few Jews there! Armenians think Noah landed his ark there and have been Christians the longest

    Really though Israel is about 20% "hostile natives" so maybe one of the more Maori parts of NZ.
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  129. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    If Jews are of such high IQ, why isn’t a single university from Israel on the Time’s list of Top 100 universities in the World? Don’t use “old” as an excuse either, the list includes many relatively new East Asian universities (new compared to Oxbridge, Ivies). There are 9 universities in Israel. The highest ranked university in Israel is Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in the 201-250 range. The two Jewish dominant universities in the US, Brandeis and Yeshiva, are not even on the list of top 800.

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

    Indians love to tout their IIT, but the highest ranked university in India is Indian Institute of Science, ranked in the 251-300 range. Majority of India’s best IITs are ranked in the 500-800 range. Indians and Jews are like parasites, they can only thrive in something someone else created. When they have to create something of their own, they suck.

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    Some examples of things that Jews came up with -- Communism, multiculturalism, Zionism, identity politics, victim mentality -- all suck.

    Everything else Jews dominate today was invented by whites. Once whites make something successful, Jews come in, take over and run it to the ground through their greed, lack of honesty and self-restraint. Examples: Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, DC, media, education, Ivy League, the law, western art, western literature, western pop culture, Europe, UK, USA.

    , @Svigor
    There's a lot of truth to this, even if your conclusions are overstated. In Israel's case, the human capital in the diaspora is much higher than that in Israel; the smarter Jews would rather live in the diaspora. One could see this as both a cause and an effect of what you describe.
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  130. Jack D says:
    @res
    I basically agree with the point you are making here, but question it being the complete explanation.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.”
     
    I think this was true 30-40 years ago, but question it a bit now. If true, it is a distressing indictment of their school guidance counselors.

    It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.
     
    Was this always so? I think there is a significant chicken and the egg issue here which bears examination.

    No, but the Jews have been plugged into it for a generation or two now. I was not plugged into this network as a kid growing up on a farm in NJ but I was able to take advantage of America’s meritocratic system – there was a sort of golden interval where OTOH Jews were no longer barred from the Ivies but OTOH getting in was not the fierce competition that is is today. But at college I knew Jewish kids whose parents were college educated and had been plugged in a generation or 2 earlier (but not beyond that).

    But, now that I am on the inside, my kids growing up on the Main Line of Philadelphia were sure plugged into it (not that they weren’t very bright and would have gotten into good schools on their own). Once you are on the inside of these networks it tends to perpetuate after that. There is some “from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations” but there is also a lot of stickiness in the elites, especially now that college has been dumbed down. I know (mostly Jewish but also some part Jewish and not Jewish) kids who, were there parents not plugged in in the way that I have described, there’s no way in hell that they could have attended an elite university. I’m not sure that these parents are really doing their kids a favor, but sending your kid to an elite school is a prestige good like driving a BMW.

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  131. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Lot

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107
     
    Who is VD? Link?

    The 107 number is pretty absurd, only a tad better than NE Asians. The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115. I doubt the number is different, though "unmixed Ashkenazi" have gone from about 4% of the US white population to under 2%, and also a decreasing share of Jews in Israel, so the significance of the question is disappearing for anything other than historical debate.

    I cite from the great essay The Myth of American Meritocracy written by Ron Unz:

    Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,64 but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65

    And don’t be disparaging of the Northeast Asian IQ of 106. The Asian students are the meritocratic elite in America today–it is not the Jews. If the Jewish IQ is so much higher than the Northeast Asian IQ, why are the National Merit Finalist winners disproportionately Asian and not Jewish?

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  132. Lot says:
    @res

    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.
    ...
    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.
     
    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. One question though, do you think the disproportionateness of Jewish victims is true relative to their proportion of the US population, their proportion of the attacked populations (e.g. Hollywood MeToo), or both?

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.
     
    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don't need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    I enjoyed this part. An accurate and concise observation.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.
     

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. ["Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs"]

    Sure, antisemitic stereotypes, like stereotypes in general, rarely come out of nowhere. I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    There’s also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    That’s too pessimistic. Most of the extremely destructive Great Society handouts to anti-white types have now been killed off. A lot of the remains have seen their budgets, adjusted for inflation, fall by half. The old policy of unlimited AFDC welfare is dead. Total non-defense public employment as a share of the workforce has been on a long-term decline since Reagan. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, collectively home to almost 10% of the US population, have definitively defeated their public sector union domination.

    Even if this were not the case, I am OK with the collateral damage from dismantling a large part of the public sector and the student-loan harvesting educational sector. It isn’t realistic for the right to retake law schools and humanities departments. It is realistic to stop subsidizing them, since every dollar we cut has a potential winner who gets that dollar in the form of a tax cut or alternative government spending.

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    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites...
     
    I basically agree with much of that (depending on the definition, though the genocide comment applied to the less nutty is a gross calumny IMO). In turn, another problem is that the anti-anti-Semites (even the less nutty ones, including probably most American Jews in general, and distressingly many non-Jews) endlessly play motte and bailey with the term "anti-Semite" obscuring the difference between trying to have a conversation about why there is Jewish overrepresentation in some fields (and how often that is what underlies the "white overrepresentation" our media criticizes) and being "literally Hitler."

    It is also worth noting that there is a difference between denying "non-Jewish responsibility" and just not talking about it at a given moment. Don't conflate the two.

    That’s too pessimistic.
     
    Perhaps. You make some good points. I still think my concerns are worth keeping in mind.
    , @Frankie P
    "I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America."

    So, a few questions. I ask these with the hope that you'll address them honestly. You have opened up an interesting box here, and we should explore its contents.

    First, how should gentiles who are aware of this phenomenon and see it as a threat react? Is it acceptable for them to speak out about it? In polite society in the US today, it certainly is NOT. Do you feel that those gentiles have been trained to self-censor? Is that acceptable?

    Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don't they (for the most part)?

    Frankie P
    , @Svigor

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.
     
    In my case I'm mirroring Jews. Despite their enormous privilege in America, they wildly exaggerate antisemitism, go well beyond minimizing Jewish responsibility and deny it altogether, never seek to weigh what nationalists get right against what they get wrong, and give every indication of inching us toward a gulag state.

    Note I don't need any qualifiers like "right-wing" here; I'm talking about organized Jewry and the Jewish establishment.
    , @Svigor

    There’s also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?
     
    There's no debate. Jews are among the top, if not the top, perpetrators. Sort of like how there's no debate on the holocaust; the debate is in the imaginations of the genocide(by open borders)-deniers.
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  133. res says:
    @Jack D
    Markets have no moral judgment but they are "right" by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That's why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor - he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be "right" or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn't make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally - I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market - who am I to fight it?

    It's pretty strange that "No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers" etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it's been tried in certain places) and you'll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don't put oil in your car, it won't take you from place to place.

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this.

    I think AnotherDad was clear about his point. If perhaps not explicit enough. People want the output of the “regulated capitalist order that we have.” There is a philosophical question about wanting lawyers vs. wanting their product though. I think you are smart enough to see AnotherDad’s point even if you disagree with it so I was a bit surprised by your response quoted above (though you do draw out the relevant points in the rest of your response, it is clear you are a good lawyer).

    Another way to express this is to observe that law is one of the few professions where a single lawyer becoming involved usually means at least one more becomes necessary. This is a negative sum game for the other players, but a necessary one once it is started. It seems to map fairly well into a Prisoner’s dilemma where “stays silent” = “does not hire a lawyer” and “betrays” = “hires a lawyer”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma (I am sure you don’t need the link, but included for completeness).

    Why they get paid so well is a fascinating question. Some thoughts.
    - Skill requirements. And skill arms races–they are competitive fields and winning matters (how many more tangibly productive fields benefit as much not just from winning but from defeating skilled opponents? Business is similar in this regard. Contrast engineering, personal services, or education.).
    - Trade union style behavior.
    - Probably more, but the ones I was coming up with mapped into those two.

    This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?

    I think this is often the crux of these conversations. And a big reason opposing sides have trouble understanding each other. Some people view the market as a fact of nature. Others view it as a tool for living (both individually and as a group). Tools serve their users, not the other way around.

    To be clear, I don’t think there is a single correct answer here. But it is helpful to understand where other people are coming from even if they are “wrong” in your (or my) world view.

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    I think you are looking at this in completely the wrong way. In a complex transaction, it's just not true that both sides would be better off if they did not hire a lawyer. We live in a complex world where no two business people have the time or the specialized knowledge needed to enter into a complex transaction. Say you are buying a used car and you have a professional mechanic look at it and talk to the dealer's mechanic - have you both "lost" because you hired an expert?

    Ignorance is only bliss until you find out what it is that you don't know. Say that two businessmen follow your advice and don't hire lawyers. Instead they write up some crappy two page agreement on the back of a napkin - I've seen it done. At first everything seems great - they didn't have to "waste" money on legal fees and fight over all sorts of issues that might get covered in a complex contract and will probably never come up anyway. But then, stemming to "bad luck" one of those issues does come up - say you get a letter from the state sales tax people asking you to pay the business's unpaid sales taxes from 2015. They are telling you that you are liable for this even though you only bought the assets of the business and not the seller's corporation - they tell you that you should have gotten some kind of clearance certificate and you didn't know that you were supposed to do this. Or maybe one of the company's suppliers is saying that there are unpaid invoices and they won't keep shipping to you unless you pay them. Or maybe someone pulls up with a truck and says they are here to repossess some machine - they show you that they have a recorded security interest on it and you didn't know that you can look these things up. You don't even know what a "security interest" is. You open up the 2 page agreement that you did with the other guy and you realize the contract doesn't say anything about any of these things - you never even considered that they might happen. What do you do now? (That's when you call me and I tell you that you should have called me BEFORE you signed that contract).

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  134. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    If Jews are of such high IQ, why isn't a single university from Israel on the Time's list of Top 100 universities in the World? Don't use "old" as an excuse either, the list includes many relatively new East Asian universities (new compared to Oxbridge, Ivies). There are 9 universities in Israel. The highest ranked university in Israel is Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in the 201-250 range. The two Jewish dominant universities in the US, Brandeis and Yeshiva, are not even on the list of top 800.

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

    Indians love to tout their IIT, but the highest ranked university in India is Indian Institute of Science, ranked in the 251-300 range. Majority of India's best IITs are ranked in the 500-800 range. Indians and Jews are like parasites, they can only thrive in something someone else created. When they have to create something of their own, they suck.

    Some examples of things that Jews came up with — Communism, multiculturalism, Zionism, identity politics, victim mentality — all suck.

    Everything else Jews dominate today was invented by whites. Once whites make something successful, Jews come in, take over and run it to the ground through their greed, lack of honesty and self-restraint. Examples: Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, DC, media, education, Ivy League, the law, western art, western literature, western pop culture, Europe, UK, USA.

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    Yes, Hollywood was great before the Jews ruined it. Mind you, it was just a bunch of orange groves before then, but they were great orange groves.
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  135. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    It’s not happening, Steve. You will not convince this people to go against their nature. Their in-group identity is founded upon and strengthened by their opposition to the host, and their one-track tribal mind is too powerful a force for them to appraise objectively. This ends how it has 109 times before, and they will surely put all the blame on the Other for it again as always.

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    Ramzpaul, whose many posts are certainly entertaining and more often well-pointed than not, nevertheless tipped a nerve with me when I realized "whoa, harping the Jewish thing just, a little, hard" and that so in the sense specifically that if he had a point to make he had already clearly made it, but that didn't stop him from finding 5 or 6 more ways in 5 or 6 more posts to make the very same point.

    I mention that, because appropo of your comment, he did this post, and when it's him, doing this post, I think it's wisdom for you or anyone in your camp to listen:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SO7xGU6EFc
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  136. @Jake1
    IQ plays a huge role but so does geography (Jews are more over represented than IQ alone would predict). Roughly 2/3rds of US Jews live in the Bos-Wash, Chicago, LA, and SF metro areas. 30% live in the NYC metro area by itself. US Jews are a high IQ group (110ish) that culturally values economic/academic success, and they overwhelming reside in premier metro areas where paths toward that success are both highly visible and more numerous. Those two factors lead to the over representation that exists.

    By contrast only roughly 16% of US non Hispanic whites live in those metros. The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.

    ” The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.”

    Why should it be? Isn’t America the Land of Opportunity?

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.

    “Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land!”

    A hundred years ago, South Wales was a mega industrial area, one of the world centres of coal and steel production, and Jews went there (there were riots against them in 1911 in Ebbw Vale iirc). Michael Howard (ne Hecht), the former Conservative leader, was born into a Jewish community in Llanelli, then a prosperous industrial town.

    The industry has gone and the Jewish communities have gone (quite a few derelict synagogues) – but the great-grandchildren of the miners and steelworkers are mostly still there.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/welsh-homes/disused-valleys-synagogue-could-yours-12242674

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    Is it really a good idea to stick around in places that no longer have any viable industries? If your ancestors went there to mine coal and now the coal mine is closed, isn't it time to leave?
    , @Johann Ricke

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.
     
    That's actually much less true in America than in Europe. Cheap gas (not burdened by 200+% taxes typically levied in Europe) and pervasive ownership of automobiles probably have something to do with it. Long after the closing of the frontier, a recurrent theme in popular culture involves not simply moves to the nearest big city, but to a city on the other side of the continent. We think nothing of sending our kids to college hundreds of miles away.

    The residents of moribund towns aren't moving to a foreign country with different customs and languages - they're typically moving to a city they've visited and may be no more than 100 miles away. Compared to their forebears who moved across an entire ocean over a typical 40-day voyage, braving unpredictable storms and shipborne diseases, and had to fight off both New World diseases and Stone Age savages once they arrived, their challenges are trivial.
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  137. The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected….

    Ahistorical and dumb. Saharan Jews, for example, did not flourish despite being in the borderless Sahara. When one stops to think about it, it strikes me that the Jews flourish best behind borders: Israel, jobs like money-lending being fenced off, connections whilst exempt from white guilt e.t.c

    P.S Steve, any links for your final blockquote?

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  138. res says:
    @Lot

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. ["Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs"]
     
    Sure, antisemitic stereotypes, like stereotypes in general, rarely come out of nowhere. I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    There's also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).
     
    That's too pessimistic. Most of the extremely destructive Great Society handouts to anti-white types have now been killed off. A lot of the remains have seen their budgets, adjusted for inflation, fall by half. The old policy of unlimited AFDC welfare is dead. Total non-defense public employment as a share of the workforce has been on a long-term decline since Reagan. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, collectively home to almost 10% of the US population, have definitively defeated their public sector union domination.

    Even if this were not the case, I am OK with the collateral damage from dismantling a large part of the public sector and the student-loan harvesting educational sector. It isn't realistic for the right to retake law schools and humanities departments. It is realistic to stop subsidizing them, since every dollar we cut has a potential winner who gets that dollar in the form of a tax cut or alternative government spending.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites…

    I basically agree with much of that (depending on the definition, though the genocide comment applied to the less nutty is a gross calumny IMO). In turn, another problem is that the anti-anti-Semites (even the less nutty ones, including probably most American Jews in general, and distressingly many non-Jews) endlessly play motte and bailey with the term “anti-Semite” obscuring the difference between trying to have a conversation about why there is Jewish overrepresentation in some fields (and how often that is what underlies the “white overrepresentation” our media criticizes) and being “literally Hitler.”

    It is also worth noting that there is a difference between denying “non-Jewish responsibility” and just not talking about it at a given moment. Don’t conflate the two.

    That’s too pessimistic.

    Perhaps. You make some good points. I still think my concerns are worth keeping in mind.

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    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism, even on American anti-Semitism which was never genocidal (or even close to genocidal). Before the Holocaust, it was possible to be a "polite" anti-Semite and make rational arguments about whether the Jews were in all respects 100% nothing but good for America and all Americans and should be included in every possible sphere (club, private business, etc.). People (especially Jews) might disagree with you but it was a valid (if somewhat controversial) POV. Henry Ford was openly anti-Semitic and remained a well respected figure. Lindbergh too.

    But, the Holocaust changed everything for American Jews. They perceived (rightly or wrongly) that "polite" anti-Semitism might lead to the not so polite kind and that the stakes involved potentially were not just membership in golf clubs but literally life and death. Say you have some dandelions in your lawn - you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.
    , @Lot
    I don't mean to use antisemite pejoratively, and agree it is used too readily. But we do need a word to describe people whose negative opinions on Jews inform a lot of their worldview. You must agree it is a distinct group?

    A couple months ago someone objected to the term, and I switched to their preferred "countersemite" without complaint, and have used it a few more times since when I thought it would be preferred.

    If you don't think they almost all wink and nod about the holocaust (while blogrolling those who explicitly approve) you're either missing not very subtle jokes or we are thinking of different people.
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  139. Joe862 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I always think of Jewishness as a hope for the future.

    When I look at my little piebald dog who wags his tail and licks my hand and appears to be nothing at all like a wolf, I am overwhelmed with the power of unnatural selection. Why can't we simply do something similar with our own species? Yes I know that that would constitute eugenics and eugenics is wrong (although I can't quite remember why).

    Then I remember the Jews. As Cochran pointed out, Jews are smarter now but haven't been for very long. Vegetius classified the peoples around the Mediterranean by their smarts and never mentioned the Jews. Two thousand years ago Jews were a significant population. But in those two millennia Jews almost disappeared but got bred for high intelligence. What would race relations be like in America if blacks were a standard deviation smarter than the base white Europeans rather than a standard deviation dumber?

    Europeans probably have a 30,000 year advantage on sub-Saharan blacks but we could maybe erase that gap in only a couple hundred years with selective breeding. Of course in a couple hundred years other factors will come into play. By then if there are still people they will probably have the option to be a robot and choose their strength, intelligence and other attributes. I doubt that organic humans will ever live on Mars but inorganic humans might find it salubrious.

    I see all these possibilities when I think of the Jews - the human breeding experiment. I also think of Ricardo Montalban playing Khan on Star Trek. Khan and his people were a genetic experiment of earthlings trying to develop a better, smarter human. What was the result? Khan and his kind were hated and feared - ultimately being destroyed by the normals. That's a pretty good model for twentieth and twenty first century anti-Semitism.

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids. High IQ people would have more reason to seek each other out and breed.

    The trick is to have functional societies with minimal misery, reasonable opportunity, etc. Just breeding a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs isn’t going to do that. Notice how jews are forever complaining about how hard they’ve had it and all that. You get a lot of successful individuals but collective dysfunction.

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    It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it.
     
    And yet it's never been (intentionally) done. The era of IQ measurement and eugenics was closely followed by the era of Hitler so no one has dared to try this. The Chinese will probably get around to it.

    Yes, just look at Africa - they have never taken the time to breed a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs and they are as happy as clams!

    , @AnotherDad

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids.
     
    You're treating this as if because it's straightforward to flowchart, yet hasn't been done it's irrelevant. Murray and Herrnstein's "The Bell Curve" is a refutation of that, along with basically all the honest, IQ-aware sociology out there. IQ doesn't just matter, it's the most critical factor.

    What you're missing is exactly what Jack said--it's never been done. The century back WASP progressives--correctly--talked up eugenics. But the Jews, especially post-holocaust have basically tried to label any talk of genes and social outcomes/social improvement--however obvious--as "Hitler", "Nazi", etc. etc. Eugenics is routinely labelled as "discredited", though that's obviously ridiculous unless you are a true nurture absolutist who literally believes that genes have nothing to do with human behavior and socio-economic outcomes.

    In fact--as Derbyshire pointed out--a society can not help but have a eugenic policy, anymore than it can not have an energy policy or a trade policy. It can have a good eugenic policy or--as in our case--a crappy disgenic one. But it's got to have one.

    And contra your implication it matters a whole heck of a lot. We could pretty much outright end our "social problems" in one generation of--severe, aggressive--selective breeding. But we could also end it in probably about a century (four generations) of fairly mild eugenic policy that involved no coercion for the non-insane, non-criminal, with policies that tied welfare to sterilization, ended immigration, had ubiquitous, fail-safe free birth control for the underclass, had tax substantial tax incentives/disincentives to get intelligent, well-adjusted peopel to get busy and the screwups to stop breeding, and a cultural environment promoting, lionizing child bearing for intelligent women.

    In any case, i think it's basically a sure bet that the Chinese--as more and more genetic data rolls in--are going to head down the eugenic path in some fashion. (Incentives, screening, manipulation, etc.) Doing anything else is idiocy, and those folks for all their problems aren't idiots. They do not have a hostile anti-national elite and they don't have this anti-science ideology of pretending genes don't matter in order to harass the people of their nation.
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  140. @Jack D
    Markets have no moral judgment but they are "right" by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That's why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor - he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be "right" or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn't make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally - I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market - who am I to fight it?

    It's pretty strange that "No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers" etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it's been tried in certain places) and you'll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don't put oil in your car, it won't take you from place to place.

    The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

    I want the federal funds rate to go from place to place.

    It’s now one and a half percent or higher by a trace.

    Fed Chair Powell should go to the normal 6 percent place.

    Bernanke wouldn’t do it, neither would Yellen.

    Asset bubble popping ain’t what they’re selling.

    I am more than convinced that the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire will never “normalize” interest rates, for if they did, the asset bubbles in real estate, bonds and stocks would pop, and many of them would be liquidated financially and then they would be forcibly deported from the United States.

    It took a blog post about Jonathan Weisman to get some essential financial talk from the Unz Review commentariat.

    If you ain’t talking monetary policy and debt or mass immigration and demography, you ain’t talking.

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    While they are at it, maybe they could spread some plague bacteria to get rid of overpopulation too? Maybe we have a asset bubble but exploding the bubble is not a good idea. Ideally you let it down slowly (or maybe never at all - the Australian housing market has had an "asset bubble" for 25 years and it still hasn't popped).

    6% is "normal" when everything else is "normal" - if we had "normal" inflation and normal levels of (true) unemployment, etc. If 6% was always the correct Fed funds rate you wouldn't need a Fed - you'd just print 6% on all the bonds and go home. Even if 6% is the right number it doesn't mean you can go from 1.5% to 6% overnight, not anymore than an alcoholic can go cold turkey without getting the DTs.
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  141. J.Ross says: • Website

    An excellent piece with many highly quotable sentences. The “defeated populace” line really is outright spooky. Weisman seems to have no capacity for objectivity at all.

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  142. Jack D says:
    @res

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this.
     
    I think AnotherDad was clear about his point. If perhaps not explicit enough. People want the output of the "regulated capitalist order that we have." There is a philosophical question about wanting lawyers vs. wanting their product though. I think you are smart enough to see AnotherDad's point even if you disagree with it so I was a bit surprised by your response quoted above (though you do draw out the relevant points in the rest of your response, it is clear you are a good lawyer).

    Another way to express this is to observe that law is one of the few professions where a single lawyer becoming involved usually means at least one more becomes necessary. This is a negative sum game for the other players, but a necessary one once it is started. It seems to map fairly well into a Prisoner's dilemma where "stays silent" = "does not hire a lawyer" and "betrays" = "hires a lawyer": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma (I am sure you don't need the link, but included for completeness).

    Why they get paid so well is a fascinating question. Some thoughts.
    - Skill requirements. And skill arms races--they are competitive fields and winning matters (how many more tangibly productive fields benefit as much not just from winning but from defeating skilled opponents? Business is similar in this regard. Contrast engineering, personal services, or education.).
    - Trade union style behavior.
    - Probably more, but the ones I was coming up with mapped into those two.

    This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?
     
    I think this is often the crux of these conversations. And a big reason opposing sides have trouble understanding each other. Some people view the market as a fact of nature. Others view it as a tool for living (both individually and as a group). Tools serve their users, not the other way around.

    To be clear, I don't think there is a single correct answer here. But it is helpful to understand where other people are coming from even if they are "wrong" in your (or my) world view.

    I think you are looking at this in completely the wrong way. In a complex transaction, it’s just not true that both sides would be better off if they did not hire a lawyer. We live in a complex world where no two business people have the time or the specialized knowledge needed to enter into a complex transaction. Say you are buying a used car and you have a professional mechanic look at it and talk to the dealer’s mechanic – have you both “lost” because you hired an expert?

    Ignorance is only bliss until you find out what it is that you don’t know. Say that two businessmen follow your advice and don’t hire lawyers. Instead they write up some crappy two page agreement on the back of a napkin – I’ve seen it done. At first everything seems great – they didn’t have to “waste” money on legal fees and fight over all sorts of issues that might get covered in a complex contract and will probably never come up anyway. But then, stemming to “bad luck” one of those issues does come up – say you get a letter from the state sales tax people asking you to pay the business’s unpaid sales taxes from 2015. They are telling you that you are liable for this even though you only bought the assets of the business and not the seller’s corporation – they tell you that you should have gotten some kind of clearance certificate and you didn’t know that you were supposed to do this. Or maybe one of the company’s suppliers is saying that there are unpaid invoices and they won’t keep shipping to you unless you pay them. Or maybe someone pulls up with a truck and says they are here to repossess some machine – they show you that they have a recorded security interest on it and you didn’t know that you can look these things up. You don’t even know what a “security interest” is. You open up the 2 page agreement that you did with the other guy and you realize the contract doesn’t say anything about any of these things – you never even considered that they might happen. What do you do now? (That’s when you call me and I tell you that you should have called me BEFORE you signed that contract).

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    I think it's probably cheaper on average to pay the delinquent tax or repossessed equipment every once in a while than the lawyers every time. The only way it comes out in your favor is if you're planning to screw people. Maybe if you're dealing with a totally unknown person. For those with reputations, the cost of deliberately screwing others is prohibitive if they want to stay in business.
    , @res
    I agree that what you describe is true in many cases. Do you agree that my description is also true in many cases? (BTW, that is indicative of not "completely the wrong way") How many situations that could (should IMHO) be resolved by two parties talking to each other and trying to resolve things in a civilized and reasonable manner turn into immensely expensive lawyerfests (or lawfare, see the Caputo thread) which well resemble the both defect case of the prisoner's dilemma. If people are unable to be be civilized and reasonable arbitration can work well at lower cost.

    I watched a good friend go through years of neighbor war in this very expensive fashion. Two obstinate older men (one of whom I liked very much much and the other whom I liked to the degree I knew him) emotionally invested in a battle.

    I understand that lawyers (some at least) fill an essential role in our society (and AnotherDad's comment alluded to this), but there is a lot of negative externality there as well.
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  143. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    But white gentiles generally aren’t overrepresented. If you look at the data, white gentiles generally are about as represented as their share of the population, or even underrepresented. Moreover, white gentile representation in a particular field or industry generally isn’t hostile or antagonistic towards Jews. Whereas Jewish overrepresentation in say the media or academia is characterized by the development and promotion of a culture that is hostile or antagonistic towards white gentiles.

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    But white gentiles generally aren’t overrepresented. If you look at the data, white gentiles generally are about as represented as their share of the population, or even underrepresented.
     
    This is a key point. And I suspect it is one of the main reasons we are not "allowed" to talk about Jewish overrepresentation.

    Moreover, white gentile representation in a particular field or industry generally isn’t hostile or antagonistic towards Jews. Whereas Jewish overrepresentation in say the media or academia is characterized by the development and promotion of a culture that is hostile or antagonistic towards white gentiles.
     
    Another good point.
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  144. Jack D says:
    @anon
    Some examples of things that Jews came up with -- Communism, multiculturalism, Zionism, identity politics, victim mentality -- all suck.

    Everything else Jews dominate today was invented by whites. Once whites make something successful, Jews come in, take over and run it to the ground through their greed, lack of honesty and self-restraint. Examples: Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, DC, media, education, Ivy League, the law, western art, western literature, western pop culture, Europe, UK, USA.

    Yes, Hollywood was great before the Jews ruined it. Mind you, it was just a bunch of orange groves before then, but they were great orange groves.

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    A prime example of how Jews ruined Hollywood -- the takeover of Disney Corp. Walt Disney built arguably the most respected brand in America that focused on family-centric entertainment, then Eisner the Jew came in and turned it into lolita express with crap "talents" like Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber. Today Disney makes movies that are as depraved as the rest of Hollywood, hypersexual with gratuitious violence. His successor Bob Iger is taking it to a whole new level with politicizing of sports through ESPN, and promotion of the liberal agenda through children's movies. He's even found a way to ruin Star Wars.
    , @Svigor
    Didn't goys make Birth of a Nation? I would much rather have seen that Hollywood go somewhere...
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  145. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2
    I don't really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians...

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral 'white privilege' is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn't openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can't pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren't quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren't very many Jews so what's the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn't want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What's weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    This is dishonest. People have done this with a consistent effect. You are free to call out open hatred of whites any time you want to lose your job, be physically threatened, and watch your car burn, or, at best, be dismissed as a racist and told that you deserve whatever you get.

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    I haven't heard it. You in know...in real life. Instead, other than maybe me, all I hear is those who are being offended either make excuses or talk around the subject.

    Were I to suggest anti-black discrimination to a black person they'd tell me to shut up and stop being so bloody racist. I've never actually seen this reaction the other way around. What usually happens is that the offended party speaks in a mealy-mouthed manner and the whole proposition is seen as reasonable - when it clearly is not.

    I wasn't being dishonest. In fact I was making a practical suggestion. Something I remind myself to try to do when I make a political observation. Need I attach a trigger warning in future?
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  146. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Markets have no moral judgment but they are "right" by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That's why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor - he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be "right" or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn't make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally - I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market - who am I to fight it?

    It's pretty strange that "No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers" etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it's been tried in certain places) and you'll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don't put oil in your car, it won't take you from place to place.

    Opioid manufacturers and dealers make lots of money as well.

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    Markets don't make moral judgments but the law does. We declare drug dealing to be illegal because we feel that its social detriments outweigh its social benefits (if any). This may change over time - marijuana dealing was a crime and now it's a business. But pretty much anywhere where they have declared lawyering/banking to be anti-social and illegal it has not gone well.
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  147. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    " The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee."

    Why should it be? Isn't America the Land of Opportunity?

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.


    "Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land!"
     
    A hundred years ago, South Wales was a mega industrial area, one of the world centres of coal and steel production, and Jews went there (there were riots against them in 1911 in Ebbw Vale iirc). Michael Howard (ne Hecht), the former Conservative leader, was born into a Jewish community in Llanelli, then a prosperous industrial town.

    The industry has gone and the Jewish communities have gone (quite a few derelict synagogues) - but the great-grandchildren of the miners and steelworkers are mostly still there.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/welsh-homes/disused-valleys-synagogue-could-yours-12242674

    Is it really a good idea to stick around in places that no longer have any viable industries? If your ancestors went there to mine coal and now the coal mine is closed, isn’t it time to leave?

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    Different groups have different attitudes, as illustrated. The attachment of the British to their landscape (even if that landscape is terraced houses and spoil heaps) is the mildest blood-and-soil you could wish for, but it's real nonetheless.

    Of course they don't all stay. To some extent the brightest "boil off". John Cale of the Velvets comes from what was in his childhood a Welsh-speaking, Chapel-going industrial village which fell on hard times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnant
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  148. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    While Jews tend to pride themselves on being intellectually fractious—“Ask two Jews, get three opinions”
     
    I'll raise you "there are Jews on every side of this issue."

    WGAF? Yes, we know there are a lot of loudmouth Jews who love giving us their opinions, and given millions of Jews, you can find quite a few dissenters on any given policy* - meaningless, powerless dissenters, if you ignore their utility as fig leaves for Jewry. The overall vector of Jewry is what usually matters; what are they strongly divided on? Because there's a whole lot they aren't, like support for Zionism, opposition to the Iran deal, support for Democrats and (Jewish-particularist) leftism, open borders for White countries and closed borders for Israel, or hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    *Except this one: hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel. You've gotta look pretty hard to find these Jews, and be willing to squint pretty hard at the ones you get.

    Endless war and a garrison state?

    A large group religious males that don’t work?

    Hostility towards your closest ethnic relatives next door?

    Being confined to a small strip of coast versus being a middle class Ottoman citizen?

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    Survival.
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  149. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    But why not Vienna or Prague (not that there weren't brilliant Jews there too), why especially Budapest?

    I don’t know if Hungarian Jews had more achievements per capita than the Viennese.

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    I think the Hungarians have a clear edge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austrian_Jews

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hungarian_Jews
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  150. Jack D says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

     

    I want the federal funds rate to go from place to place.

    It's now one and a half percent or higher by a trace.

    Fed Chair Powell should go to the normal 6 percent place.

    Bernanke wouldn't do it, neither would Yellen.

    Asset bubble popping ain't what they're selling.

    I am more than convinced that the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire will never "normalize" interest rates, for if they did, the asset bubbles in real estate, bonds and stocks would pop, and many of them would be liquidated financially and then they would be forcibly deported from the United States.

    It took a blog post about Jonathan Weisman to get some essential financial talk from the Unz Review commentariat.

    If you ain't talking monetary policy and debt or mass immigration and demography, you ain't talking.

    While they are at it, maybe they could spread some plague bacteria to get rid of overpopulation too? Maybe we have a asset bubble but exploding the bubble is not a good idea. Ideally you let it down slowly (or maybe never at all – the Australian housing market has had an “asset bubble” for 25 years and it still hasn’t popped).

    6% is “normal” when everything else is “normal” – if we had “normal” inflation and normal levels of (true) unemployment, etc. If 6% was always the correct Fed funds rate you wouldn’t need a Fed – you’d just print 6% on all the bonds and go home. Even if 6% is the right number it doesn’t mean you can go from 1.5% to 6% overnight, not anymore than an alcoholic can go cold turkey without getting the DTs.

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    I want the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate to pop so as to create the necessary political conditions for an immediate removal of most of the foreigners from the United States. I guess that makes me a radical. Sam Francis called people like me Middle American Radicals.

    Fed Chair Powell can get his market movers to bump the federal funds rate to 6 percent. Powell would have to do this while in a secure bunker, granted.

    Australia is a resource cartel with some electronic intelligence installations, they'll go belly up when Trumpy puts a prohibitive tariff on all Chinese products or goods. Australia digs up stuff and China makes stuff out of it, then China floods the globe with cheap labor made stuff.

    Australia will go back to the White Australia policy when the China resource bubble pops.

    Fed Chair Volcker got the federal funds rate over 20 percent in 1981, let's do it again, that would be fun!
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  151. Jack D says:
    @Joe862
    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It's measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids. High IQ people would have more reason to seek each other out and breed.

    The trick is to have functional societies with minimal misery, reasonable opportunity, etc. Just breeding a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs isn't going to do that. Notice how jews are forever complaining about how hard they've had it and all that. You get a lot of successful individuals but collective dysfunction.

    It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it.

    And yet it’s never been (intentionally) done. The era of IQ measurement and eugenics was closely followed by the era of Hitler so no one has dared to try this. The Chinese will probably get around to it.

    Yes, just look at Africa – they have never taken the time to breed a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs and they are as happy as clams!

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    Like anything, intelligence can be overemphasized. Just because the Africans seem to have way too little doesn't mean that it's the only important thing.
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  152. Vinteuil says:
    @fnn
    Vox Day has been posting some detailed information on the Ashkenazi IQ question:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html
    http://voxday.blogspot.nl/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    “Vox Day has been posting some detailed information on the Ashkenazi IQ question”

    There’s some interesting stuff, there, but VD sure doesn’t do himself any favors with the degree of rhetorical license he adopts. He really needs to tone it down.

    His most interesting point is that high Jewish IQ + tail-end effects doesn’t explain the wildly disproportionate representation of Jews in leadership positions in politics, media, popular culture, &c, where IQ’s above, say, 135, are, if anything, disabling.

    I mean, does anybody think Tom Friedman owes his position to being really, really smart?

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  153. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.
     
    There’s a strategic difference between ignoring or complaining about animus—and fighting back and literally drawing blood. If an individual or group is, or becomes, unwilling to do the latter, animus and contempt towards them may likely increase. This is basic schoolyard stuff.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.
     
    If people, especially intelligent, otherwise reasonable people, start not being nice in the form of “sounding like Hitler”— that ideally should serve as ample warning to the source of their ire: Mend your anti-white ways, or some groups/individuals with executive agency may start acting like Hitler & Co.

    Our host Steve is very nice, but not too nice, and while he doesn’t sound at all like Hitler, he is willing to talk plainly about Jews and any other subject of interest. But be aware: The world is full of everyday people who don’t hold ‘niceness’ as the ultimate value, and will remorselessly draw blood if increasingly cornered.

    “I want you to be nice. Until it’s time… to not be nice.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QJsljIDKkk

    Your post reads like it was written by one of the Mafia goons from the Simpsons.

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group.

    And yes that group does include most Jews by my reckoning.

    But that group is normally called ‘white people’, so your goonish post now seems to be inadvertently directed at yourself.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks for people who are both white and Jewish, it does at least make for an amusing observation. I had a giggle.

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    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group [white people].
     
    Who are these anti-white “reasonable people” of whom you speak? When I wrote “otherwise reasonable people” I was talking about normal whites who are not happy with their increased dispossession in the countries their ancestors founded.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks …
     
    It’s not about plaintively lamenting being insulted or threatened, it’s about dispassionately taking those threats seriously and preparing for possible war. That doesn’t mean desiring war for it’s own sake, but if (limited?) war is inevitable, honorable people should embrace it with deadly vigor.

    As to which side should prevail in a hypothetical core vs. fringe Donnybrook of Doom, that’s one of them thar who/whom questions. You can guess where I stand.
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  154. @Jack D
    While they are at it, maybe they could spread some plague bacteria to get rid of overpopulation too? Maybe we have a asset bubble but exploding the bubble is not a good idea. Ideally you let it down slowly (or maybe never at all - the Australian housing market has had an "asset bubble" for 25 years and it still hasn't popped).

    6% is "normal" when everything else is "normal" - if we had "normal" inflation and normal levels of (true) unemployment, etc. If 6% was always the correct Fed funds rate you wouldn't need a Fed - you'd just print 6% on all the bonds and go home. Even if 6% is the right number it doesn't mean you can go from 1.5% to 6% overnight, not anymore than an alcoholic can go cold turkey without getting the DTs.

    I want the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate to pop so as to create the necessary political conditions for an immediate removal of most of the foreigners from the United States. I guess that makes me a radical. Sam Francis called people like me Middle American Radicals.

    Fed Chair Powell can get his market movers to bump the federal funds rate to 6 percent. Powell would have to do this while in a secure bunker, granted.

    Australia is a resource cartel with some electronic intelligence installations, they’ll go belly up when Trumpy puts a prohibitive tariff on all Chinese products or goods. Australia digs up stuff and China makes stuff out of it, then China floods the globe with cheap labor made stuff.

    Australia will go back to the White Australia policy when the China resource bubble pops.

    Fed Chair Volcker got the federal funds rate over 20 percent in 1981, let’s do it again, that would be fun!

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  155. songbird says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Isn't it all this Jew stuff overhyped? ? I've come across this text: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jews-biggest-threat-on-campus-isnt-bds-its/

    Jewish students on campus (for the most part) simply don’t see the relations with their Jewishness or the connection to Israel as a priority in their lives.

    Time and time again I hear from the different Jewish Organizations leaders on campus the huge numbers of Jewish students on campus (at the big ones their several thousands of them), yet the show up rate for most events and engagements is most of the time less than 1%!
     

    This ambivalent approach by so many Jewish students on campuses who care solely about their grades and professional careers and have no connection to their identity and show no involvement in the Jewish life on campus, should be a red flag for anyone who believes in the importance of American jewery and its relations with Israel.
     
    Not denying that Jewish activists & plutocrats have a non-negligible grip on US policy, it seems that most "Jews" are basically deracinated. They simply don't care about their separate identity, if they've succeeded to maintain it at all ...

    Future trends are an interesting question, but endogamy or lack thereof isn’t a good measure of current Jewish tribalism, IMO.

    The best way to test it is through real life experience. I’ve heard Jews say many things touching on Jewishness that I can’t even begin to find parallels with other white ethnicities. Possibly there are other groups like blacks and Indians, but, I don’t think it is true of whites, Hispanics, or East Asians.

    Finally, there is the question of who they are marrying. There is assortative mating. Rootless people tend to marry rootless people. The Left tends to marry itself. I’m willing to bet there is a high degree of hyphenated names in these marriages, a sign of Leftism. Many half-Jews I know see themselves as being Jewish.

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    I hesitated for a while to reply (not because of the content, but because SS' moderation policy is slower than US Army advance in Monte Cassino). Since comments section is no place for essays, just a few clear & even dogmatic statements.

    1. IQ is overrated & Jewish IQ is probably overrated (without consequence). We simply can't measure ingenuity, motivation, creativity, prolonged focus, "inspiration", ... True geniuses like Plato, Leonardo, Euler, Newton, Hilbert ..are not reducible to IQ. Moreover, in various types of sciences influence is not commensurate with intellectual acumen: Charles Darwin & Albert Einstein did not possess almost supernatural powers of cognition & creativity Leonhard Euler & Gottfried Leibniz excelled in, but their works are, due to many complex circumstances, probably more important.

    More, Jewish verbal IQ (according to IQ tests) had not given commensurate achievements in written words areas (literature, philosophy,..). On the other hand, there are many great Jewish mathematicians, more than Jewish philosophers or novelists.

    2. Jews have been highly visible & influential in past 100-150 years (before that, in their close to 3000 years history, they've been good achievers, but nothing even remotely spectacular as classic Greeks, or later Italians, English, Germans..). In sum, they're, at best, small geniuses but not transcendentally great- except Einstein, von Neumann & perhaps 2-4 others. Even those mentioned towered during great flourishing of German culture (1740-1940); it is hardly imaginable Einstein would have accomplished as much had he been an American Jew.

    3. over-representation in Nobels etc. Commensurable with their love of intellectual pursuits (post-1770s), hard work & situation in the heart of culturally-technologically most advanced countries in the world at the time (Germany, US). But, most Nobel prizes in exact sciences are given to second-tier achievements in past ca. 100 years. Which really, really important & groundbreaking discoveries had been made in past ~ 100 years? Relativity (Einstein), QM (Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Dirac), perhaps astronomy (Hubble got lucky) & DNA (Watson). Most of the rest is respectable work at application or brushing up the details.

    4. as for Jews and politics, entrepreneurship & public intellectuals, I hope Steve is not too serious. Those are not fields of impressive mental athleticism. Although famous- Steve Jobs, with regard to more permanent influence & human accomplishment, is simply not in the league with Ken Thompson or Dennis Ritchie. Of course, these are different areas, just ..

    5. re Jewish inter-marriage, one should better rely on stats than on personal observations: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-2-intermarriage-and-other-demographics/


    The new Pew Research survey finds that, overall, 56% of married Jews have a Jewish spouse, while 44% of Jewish respondents are married to a non-Jew. Among Jews by religion who are married, 64% have a Jewish spouse and 36% have a non-Jewish spouse. By comparison, Jews of no religion are much more likely to be in mixed marriages; just 21% of married Jews of no religion are married to a Jewish spouse, while 79% are married to a non-Jewish spouse.
     
    https://jewishaction.com/religion/outreach/jonahs-sukkah/

    Among our non-Orthodox brethren, the intermarriage rate has skyrocketed. If we leave out the Orthodox—who very rarely intermarry—71.5 percent of American Jews marry outside of the faith. (This number refers to no form of conversion, that is, when the spouse identifies him or herself as a non-Jew. If we included nonhalachic conversions, the number is significantly higher.)
     
    ...........

    Moreover, most non-Orthodox Jews will intermarry; among children of the intermarried, the statistics are abysmal. Only 17 percent of the children of intermarried couples marry other Jews. With a birthrate of only 1.9 children and an astoundingly high intermarriage rate, American Jewry is on a train speeding headlong into self-destruction.
     
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  156. Vinteuil says:
    @Marcus D.

    Uh, no. The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

     

    The first great Jewish name that comes to my mind is Heinrich Heine (1797-1856).

    But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%. The mongrels that these marriages make don’t care a lot about Jewish people or Israel. Another question is that inevitably eugenics will return. Then, everybody will be smart like Jews. So, they will not have much power in a more competitive world.

    “But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with an intermarriage rate of 55%.”

    Norman Podhoretz notoriously thought that the only solution to his “Negro problem” was miscegenation.

    I wonder what he would think of the idea that miscegenation is the only solution to the “Jewish question.”

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    I wonder what he would think of the idea that miscegenation is the only solution to the “Jewish question.”
     
    Jewish women have been flocking to black men for decades. Now Jewish men are also starting to marry black women. And the gay ones are even more into blacks. Every gay white man dreams of having a black boyfriend/husband, and every white lesbian wants a black wife.

    It's not a bad idea if you think about it. Average Jewish IQ is 105, average black IQ is 85, so their children will have an average IQ of 95, not smart enough to dominate yet less prone to violence. I think this trend should be encouraged.

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  157. Joe862 says:
    @Jack D

    It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it.
     
    And yet it's never been (intentionally) done. The era of IQ measurement and eugenics was closely followed by the era of Hitler so no one has dared to try this. The Chinese will probably get around to it.

    Yes, just look at Africa - they have never taken the time to breed a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs and they are as happy as clams!

    Like anything, intelligence can be overemphasized. Just because the Africans seem to have way too little doesn’t mean that it’s the only important thing.

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  158. Jack D says:
    @res

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites...
     
    I basically agree with much of that (depending on the definition, though the genocide comment applied to the less nutty is a gross calumny IMO). In turn, another problem is that the anti-anti-Semites (even the less nutty ones, including probably most American Jews in general, and distressingly many non-Jews) endlessly play motte and bailey with the term "anti-Semite" obscuring the difference between trying to have a conversation about why there is Jewish overrepresentation in some fields (and how often that is what underlies the "white overrepresentation" our media criticizes) and being "literally Hitler."

    It is also worth noting that there is a difference between denying "non-Jewish responsibility" and just not talking about it at a given moment. Don't conflate the two.

    That’s too pessimistic.
     
    Perhaps. You make some good points. I still think my concerns are worth keeping in mind.

    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism, even on American anti-Semitism which was never genocidal (or even close to genocidal). Before the Holocaust, it was possible to be a “polite” anti-Semite and make rational arguments about whether the Jews were in all respects 100% nothing but good for America and all Americans and should be included in every possible sphere (club, private business, etc.). People (especially Jews) might disagree with you but it was a valid (if somewhat controversial) POV. Henry Ford was openly anti-Semitic and remained a well respected figure. Lindbergh too.

    But, the Holocaust changed everything for American Jews. They perceived (rightly or wrongly) that “polite” anti-Semitism might lead to the not so polite kind and that the stakes involved potentially were not just membership in golf clubs but literally life and death. Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

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    Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.
     
    Isn’t that basically Nazi philosophy vis-à-vis Jews? I guess it all depends on whose lawn it is. Some itchy recent transplants may soon try to claim your lawn was never yours and doesn’t even exist.

    John Stewart at 11 minutes in:

    This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was! There is no real America!
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik&feature=youtu.be&t=11m
    , @Svigor
    Yes, the holocaust gave Jews their permanent excuse to end all other excuses.

    Or maybe one excuse to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

    Why didn't the tens of millions of murders owed to the Soviets put "anti-racism," anti-majoritarianism, anti-anti-Semitism, race-blindness, race-obscurantism, outcome-equalitarianism, and leftism in general permanently to bed?

    PR (Jews are big in the PR biz).

    P.S. you sound like you're LARPing as Kaganovich or Beria.

    , @res

    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism
     
    Yes. He changed an already hypersensitive group into a hyper^4 sensitive group. Perhaps that is a rational response. But if you can't see how (blockquoted as a separate idea because sentence too long and convoluted ow)

    anti-white animus combined with denunciation of anyone who dares to point out that that "white overrepresentation" criticized by Jews (not all Jews and not all who say that are Jews, OK Lot?, to my mind that is implicit when I say things like that) is in actuality Jewish overrepresentation and if anything non-Jewish whites are underrepresented compared to their population percentage
     
    is a problem then I am not sure what to say.

    But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.
     
    And how should a rational and intelligent "weed" respond to this? Especially when the weed judger lumps dandelions in with poison ivy?

    Jack, in all sincerity, IMHO Jewish interpretation of even the mildest statements as an existential threat is in itself an existential threat. And I don't consider either aspect of that a good thing.
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  159. Vinteuil says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Ron Unz - and, more importantly, his data - say that you're wrong.

    Heck, a quick back of the envelope check shows that Jews are way over-represented if you look at IQ alone. Let's just use white Gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews to not muddy the waters with blacks and Hispanics who won't have much impact anyway. The U.S. is ~70% whites (Jew and Gentile), so let's start with a population that is 97% white (68/70) and 3% Jewish (2/70).

    We'll give white Gentiles an average IQ of 100 with a SD of 15. I'll be generous and give Jews an average IQ of 112 and an SD of 15. (I think that it might be a tad lower, and then there's the whole spatial vs. verbal aspect, but we'll leave that off the table for now.)

    Let's also assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful. (For my own sake, I hope - and believe - that you can get by with ~125, but we'll use 130, which is an advantage for Jews.)

    Even under these Jew-friendly assumptions, white Gentiles would still be ~87% of the "successful" people in that society vs. 13% Jewish. Even if you move the threshold up to 140, Jews still only come in ~20% of the successful people.

    Something else is going on here. IQ alone doesn't explain the extreme numbers of Jews in the media, academia, richest people and students at top universities. Personally, I think that some of it is explained by Jewish culture. Another genetic aspect might be that Jews seem to be particularly aggressive intellectually and competitive in general. In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don't. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.

    Regardless, IQ alone can't explain Jewish success.

    “Let’s…assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful…”

    Let’s not assume that. And let’s especially not assume that your chances of extreme success keep going up once you get into the IQ stratosphere of 140, 150, 160.

    Especially if we’re talking about extreme success in anything outside the hard sciences, mathematics, and, possibly, academic philosophy.

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    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn't work that way - the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and 'spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception - there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.
    , @AaronB
    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It's very fascinating.

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    It's also becoming impossible to ignore Jewish mediocrity - as you note, Friedman did not get his position because of IQ. Jewish achievement at high end physics and math has already collapsed, as Unz showed, and Jewish dominated institutions like media, journalism, and Hollywood do not require especially high IQs.

    Notably, hard engineering firms like Boeing ate not notably dominated by Jews - but journalism, yes!

    Not to mention, at IQ 130+ white gentiles outnumber Jews at something more than 10-1.

    Enough already! I am repeating myself endlessly. It's like whack a mole - leave for a few says, and low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that's the real Jewish advantage - repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    After all, passion would be "bad form" - right, Steve? An ironical smile, and submission. That is the white way.
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  160. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Yes, Hollywood was great before the Jews ruined it. Mind you, it was just a bunch of orange groves before then, but they were great orange groves.

    A prime example of how Jews ruined Hollywood — the takeover of Disney Corp. Walt Disney built arguably the most respected brand in America that focused on family-centric entertainment, then Eisner the Jew came in and turned it into lolita express with crap “talents” like Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber. Today Disney makes movies that are as depraved as the rest of Hollywood, hypersexual with gratuitious violence. His successor Bob Iger is taking it to a whole new level with politicizing of sports through ESPN, and promotion of the liberal agenda through children’s movies. He’s even found a way to ruin Star Wars.

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  161. Jack D says:
    @Marcus D.

    Uh, no. The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

     

    The first great Jewish name that comes to my mind is Heinrich Heine (1797-1856).

    But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%. The mongrels that these marriages make don’t care a lot about Jewish people or Israel. Another question is that inevitably eugenics will return. Then, everybody will be smart like Jews. So, they will not have much power in a more competitive world.

    Spinoza?

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    No, we are talking about the Ashkenazi intellectual golden age that began in the nineteenth century. Spinoza is only a lone Sephardic star.
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  162. Vinteuil says:
    @Lot
    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    “The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.”

    Dream on.

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    True.
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  164. Rich says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else. All the talk about high Ashkenazi IQ is based on “estimates”. In the US, no test separates out groups based on religion. The only test available for Jews as a separate group is from Israel, it doesn’t separate the Ashkenazi from the Sephardic, and the result is a 95 IQ.

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    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else.
     
    Actually, I don't think that's correct. Prof. Richard Lynn, dean of all the IQists, wrote an entire book about Jewish ability, in which he included 32 separate tests of Jewish-American IQ he had managed to locate, of varied degrees of validity, whose fascinating historical pattern I discussed in one of my columns:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/#p_1_8

    Based on everything I've seen, I'd say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average. However, numerous other white sub-populations, mostly far greater in size, also have IQs well above the white average. So taking all these factors into account, I'd guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish. Jews are certainly well above average, but not *that* much above average...
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  165. Jack D says:
    @hyperbola
    Both of chelsea's parents became lackeys of jewish treason and racism to further their political careers. No surprise that Chelsea then married into a jewish banker family already convicted of fraud.

    Enough already with the compliments. Do you have anything BAD to say about Chelsea?

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  166. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    Opioid manufacturers and dealers make lots of money as well.

    Markets don’t make moral judgments but the law does. We declare drug dealing to be illegal because we feel that its social detriments outweigh its social benefits (if any). This may change over time – marijuana dealing was a crime and now it’s a business. But pretty much anywhere where they have declared lawyering/banking to be anti-social and illegal it has not gone well.

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    We declare drug dealing to be illegal because we feel that its social detriments outweigh its social benefits
     
    We need to open our borders to undocumented pharmacists. They are market-driven entrepreneurs. CAPITALISM you know. Or Capitalism if you prefer. They are the best and brightest of a new generation of the undocumented. How dare you presume to judge that they don't provide benefits!
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  167. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

     

    This is dishonest. People have done this with a consistent effect. You are free to call out open hatred of whites any time you want to lose your job, be physically threatened, and watch your car burn, or, at best, be dismissed as a racist and told that you deserve whatever you get.

    I haven’t heard it. You in know…in real life. Instead, other than maybe me, all I hear is those who are being offended either make excuses or talk around the subject.

    Were I to suggest anti-black discrimination to a black person they’d tell me to shut up and stop being so bloody racist. I’ve never actually seen this reaction the other way around. What usually happens is that the offended party speaks in a mealy-mouthed manner and the whole proposition is seen as reasonable – when it clearly is not.

    I wasn’t being dishonest. In fact I was making a practical suggestion. Something I remind myself to try to do when I make a political observation. Need I attach a trigger warning in future?

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    I haven't heard [of whites suffering for being identified as racists].
     
    This and not anything from Hitler or Eisenmemger or the Russian Secret Police is the most anti-Semitic thing I can think of, with a healthy chorus reminding everyone of every single spray-painted swastika through every mass-media outlet.
    , @Anon

    other than maybe me
     
    How maybe? You have either said at some sort of company meeting or whatever: "This anti-white discrimination is outrageous" or you haven't.

    If you are in the UK, you guys seem to be well farther down the PC hole than we do. Probably the people you describe are either too afraid or too brainwashed to speak. Why don't you ask them? And if you won't, what are your motives, since you are obviously not too brainwashed to speak, at least on this topic?
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  168. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, but apparently an $8.5 bn settlement against Google for privacy breaches (selling people's search history to third parties) will go to the lawyers, the lawyers old law schools, and four orgs that Google already gives money to. It's now going to the Supreme Court after the CA 9th court of appeal allowed the dodgy deal.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/01/ted_frank_interview_supreme_court_cy_pres/

    "Despite the class-action lawsuit being brought on behalf of roughly 129 million folks in the US who Googled between 2006 and 2014, none of the money will actually go to them but will instead be split between the attorneys and organizations they have designated.

    It just so happens that, as part of a settlement, three of those seven "cy pres recipients" are the alma maters of the attorneys: cash-strapped Harvard University, Stanford University and the Chicago-Kent College of Law.

    The others named in the settlement are AARP Inc, Carnegie Mellon University, the MacArthur Foundation and the World Privacy Forum – all of whom are frequent recipients of Google's corporate largesse."
     

    That’s not just a crony-capitalism thing between the google and the government – judicial branch, YAA. This is an everyday greedy lawyer thing, and it’s standard, as are there any non-greedy lawyers that you’ve ever known?

    If you’ve ever gotten a postcard saying you should write in, because, as a successful plaintiff in a big lawsuit, you are owed 5 dollars and 43 cents, you may know what I mean. (It’s a postcard, because a letter will eat into that big settlement more!) The lawyers split the big money. On the cases with millions of people to dole out the money to, they figure what’s the diff? Even if they cut their take down to reasonable amount, you may just get another 5 bucks.

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  169. Alfa158 says:
    @Barnard
    Did they draw that district so there was no one living in it with a less than six figure income?

    I love this quote from his website on immigration:


    “I think it’s easy for people like you and me who wear suits and ties and work in offices to cast aspersions on those with a tenth-grade education . . . But let’s talk about some of these folks with a tenth-grade education . . . I have had the opportunity to meet over the years many farmworkers who have had families die under brutal conditions in the heat so that you or I can have less expensive orange juice, cheaper artichokes, or less expensive garlic . . . and I just want to suggest that these people have given far more to American society than you or I ever will.” - Congressman Ted W. Lieu
     
    Please, invite them to be your constituents in Malibu Ted.

    There are some working and lower class White people in this district, but they re-drew the lines to include enough people who vote a solid Democratic ticket, hence the people with six figure incomes, Jews and non-Whites. This ensures Red Ted will hold the seat for as long as he wants it.

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  170. Vinteuil says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Your solution doesn't work long-term. Immigration makes it untenable. If "racism" - God do I hate that nebulous word - isn't allowed, how do you regulate your borders? What right do you have to even have a border? Aren't borders racist?

    Even if you argue for controlled immigration and this immigration be based on skills, this would would favor some races over others. Isn't that racism? Judging an individual by their merits sounds nice, but it will eventually lead to some races being promoted over others. And people will notice. How do you get around the fact that nature is racist because I don't think that this explanation will fly with the SJW crowd.

    Also, what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn't I favor my family over another?

    And, of course, the whole idea of treating people as individuals is a very short-sided view of the world once you bring regression to the mean into the conversation. That Rottweiler might be a gentle soul, but his kids won't be.

    “…what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?”

    Good question. This was the human way for many thousands of years.

    Universalism/Impartialism is a late blooming, hot house flower, which drives its true believers to suicide. It cannot last.

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    Yep. Whites have been on top so long that we think that our shit don't stink. We'll remember to look after our own when we get knocked down a notch or two.
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  171. Jack D says:
    @Vinteuil
    "Let’s...assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful..."

    Let's not assume that. And let's especially not assume that your chances of extreme success keep going up once you get into the IQ stratosphere of 140, 150, 160.

    Especially if we're talking about extreme success in anything outside the hard sciences, mathematics, and, possibly, academic philosophy.

    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn’t work that way – the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and ‘spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception – there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

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    The dissident/alt/whatever right also attracts a lot of intelligent but dysfunctional individuals, so there's likely something of a biased perspective along those lines as well.
    , @AnotherDad

    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn’t work that way – the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and ‘spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception – there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.
     
    Exactly.

    Yes, there is a good tranche of particularly high-to-one-side people who are a bit "weird". And there's no doubt that just being further and further from the norm makes it a bit harder for some to relate to normal. But in general the more "g" the better. I don't know any Field's medal types, but i know of a fair number of the smart kids (>99%tile--well above 130) in my son's (very good) high school class and they are just darn solid kids. I know a good number of real sharp physics guys, and again--not dismissing their excentricities--they aren't absent minded professors, but are generally really sharp on the ball guys.

    On the other hand, a lot of not very bright people have a lot of "issues" and a fair number are disturbed, pyschotic, screwed up.

    The 99%tiler with a 150 IQ actually has a much better chance of putting together an end-to-end solid citizen life--positive career, stable marriage, civic engagement, solid well-behaved kids--than a 100 IQ normal, who'll do that about 50-50.

    100 IQ isn't some optimal for executing Western Civilization it is *where we got to* in IQ selection before the distruption of the great unravelling.
    , @Vinteuil
    Jack D, I simply don't understand this as a response to what I posted.
    , @res
    Largely true. The primary counterexample I am aware of is research showing extremely high intelligence relative to followers (e.g. > ~2SD difference) is a negative for leaders. To some degree this can be mitigated by hierarchies of leadership (e.g. I have seen this used as a reason for the commissioned officer / noncom split).

    Here is an example: https://www.inc.com/jt-odonnell/science-says-120-is-the-optimal-iq-to-be-considere.html
    That is based on research from Dean Simonton. Also see counterpoint at (iSteve has several good comments here) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/08/31/myth-30-iq-communication-range
    I seem to recall chasing references once and finding some military research that came to that conclusion, but I can't find my references at the moment.

    Are you aware of any leadership research to the contrary?

    P.S. For anyone who doubts Jack's assertion, this is a good brief introduction to the SMPY/TIP research conclusions he cites: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2016/09/smpy-in-nature.html
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  172. L Woods says:
    @Jack D
    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn't work that way - the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and 'spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception - there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    The dissident/alt/whatever right also attracts a lot of intelligent but dysfunctional individuals, so there’s likely something of a biased perspective along those lines as well.

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  173. @Joe862
    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It's measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids. High IQ people would have more reason to seek each other out and breed.

    The trick is to have functional societies with minimal misery, reasonable opportunity, etc. Just breeding a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs isn't going to do that. Notice how jews are forever complaining about how hard they've had it and all that. You get a lot of successful individuals but collective dysfunction.

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids.

    You’re treating this as if because it’s straightforward to flowchart, yet hasn’t been done it’s irrelevant. Murray and Herrnstein’s “The Bell Curve” is a refutation of that, along with basically all the honest, IQ-aware sociology out there. IQ doesn’t just matter, it’s the most critical factor.

    What you’re missing is exactly what Jack said–it’s never been done. The century back WASP progressives–correctly–talked up eugenics. But the Jews, especially post-holocaust have basically tried to label any talk of genes and social outcomes/social improvement–however obvious–as “Hitler”, “Nazi”, etc. etc. Eugenics is routinely labelled as “discredited”, though that’s obviously ridiculous unless you are a true nurture absolutist who literally believes that genes have nothing to do with human behavior and socio-economic outcomes.

    In fact–as Derbyshire pointed out–a society can not help but have a eugenic policy, anymore than it can not have an energy policy or a trade policy. It can have a good eugenic policy or–as in our case–a crappy disgenic one. But it’s got to have one.

    And contra your implication it matters a whole heck of a lot. We could pretty much outright end our “social problems” in one generation of–severe, aggressive–selective breeding. But we could also end it in probably about a century (four generations) of fairly mild eugenic policy that involved no coercion for the non-insane, non-criminal, with policies that tied welfare to sterilization, ended immigration, had ubiquitous, fail-safe free birth control for the underclass, had tax substantial tax incentives/disincentives to get intelligent, well-adjusted peopel to get busy and the screwups to stop breeding, and a cultural environment promoting, lionizing child bearing for intelligent women.

    In any case, i think it’s basically a sure bet that the Chinese–as more and more genetic data rolls in–are going to head down the eugenic path in some fashion. (Incentives, screening, manipulation, etc.) Doing anything else is idiocy, and those folks for all their problems aren’t idiots. They do not have a hostile anti-national elite and they don’t have this anti-science ideology of pretending genes don’t matter in order to harass the people of their nation.

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    The smart people are overwhelmingly "liberal" and the ones championing the dysgenic policies. How smart is that?
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  174. Vinteuil says:
    @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.
     
    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?--in economic terms, i'll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store--including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on--i.e. natural gas in the line--when it's cold. AC--i.e. power in the line--during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars--mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel--planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too--though i'd bet they are reigned in there--with more "we're in this together national feeling"--to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can't make as much say shaking down some company with a "shareholder" lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again--i've made this clear time and again--this isn't to say Jews can't or don't make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn't because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology--i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it's because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel--absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor--because the Jews there actually do do everything--farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making ... as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

    I’l go res one better – this is *very* well said.

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  175. @Jack D
    Is it really a good idea to stick around in places that no longer have any viable industries? If your ancestors went there to mine coal and now the coal mine is closed, isn't it time to leave?

    Different groups have different attitudes, as illustrated. The attachment of the British to their landscape (even if that landscape is terraced houses and spoil heaps) is the mildest blood-and-soil you could wish for, but it’s real nonetheless.

    Of course they don’t all stay. To some extent the brightest “boil off”. John Cale of the Velvets comes from what was in his childhood a Welsh-speaking, Chapel-going industrial village which fell on hard times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnant

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  176. AndrewR says:
    @vinteuil
    Why would they take the deal? Why pay for what they're already getting for free?

    If they refuse, then Sailer will write more snarky, passive-aggressive articles about them.

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  177. @Jack D
    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn't work that way - the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and 'spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception - there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn’t work that way – the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and ‘spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception – there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    Exactly.

    Yes, there is a good tranche of particularly high-to-one-side people who are a bit “weird”. And there’s no doubt that just being further and further from the norm makes it a bit harder for some to relate to normal. But in general the more “g” the better. I don’t know any Field’s medal types, but i know of a fair number of the smart kids (>99%tile–well above 130) in my son’s (very good) high school class and they are just darn solid kids. I know a good number of real sharp physics guys, and again–not dismissing their excentricities–they aren’t absent minded professors, but are generally really sharp on the ball guys.

    On the other hand, a lot of not very bright people have a lot of “issues” and a fair number are disturbed, pyschotic, screwed up.

    The 99%tiler with a 150 IQ actually has a much better chance of putting together an end-to-end solid citizen life–positive career, stable marriage, civic engagement, solid well-behaved kids–than a 100 IQ normal, who’ll do that about 50-50.

    100 IQ isn’t some optimal for executing Western Civilization it is *where we got to* in IQ selection before the distruption of the great unravelling.

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  178. Thea says:
    @Anon
    "The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected"

    What other class of organisms flourish when the cell wall of their hosts proves permeable?

    David Sloan Wilson might have something interesting to say here. Oh look he does. Here he's interview by Razib Khan: https://archive.org/details/youtube-O1MC4Am2c_Y

    So humans practice group selection but during the 20th century various flavors of Europeans stopped doing so.

    I’m not sure I buy the reaction to the Holocaust as the reason the American whites, Swedes, English and French are tearing their lands, people and heritage apart. We used to have each others’ backs. What changed to cause whites to essentially give up on existing as a recognizable, distinct people. Was it nihilism & the death of European Christianity? Too much wealth and food leading to easy but boring lives?

    That Jews still practice a group strategy is no surprise. That whites refuse to is like some sort of shared brain virus.

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  179. lavoisier says: • Website

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

    It would be a little less onerous to accept if the overrepresentation was truly meritocratic, even if hostile. At least then one could consider the possibility that maybe white people do deserve to die off and the civilizations created by their ancestors transformed into multicultural dystopias.

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  180. Joe862 says:
    @AnotherDad

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids.
     
    You're treating this as if because it's straightforward to flowchart, yet hasn't been done it's irrelevant. Murray and Herrnstein's "The Bell Curve" is a refutation of that, along with basically all the honest, IQ-aware sociology out there. IQ doesn't just matter, it's the most critical factor.

    What you're missing is exactly what Jack said--it's never been done. The century back WASP progressives--correctly--talked up eugenics. But the Jews, especially post-holocaust have basically tried to label any talk of genes and social outcomes/social improvement--however obvious--as "Hitler", "Nazi", etc. etc. Eugenics is routinely labelled as "discredited", though that's obviously ridiculous unless you are a true nurture absolutist who literally believes that genes have nothing to do with human behavior and socio-economic outcomes.

    In fact--as Derbyshire pointed out--a society can not help but have a eugenic policy, anymore than it can not have an energy policy or a trade policy. It can have a good eugenic policy or--as in our case--a crappy disgenic one. But it's got to have one.

    And contra your implication it matters a whole heck of a lot. We could pretty much outright end our "social problems" in one generation of--severe, aggressive--selective breeding. But we could also end it in probably about a century (four generations) of fairly mild eugenic policy that involved no coercion for the non-insane, non-criminal, with policies that tied welfare to sterilization, ended immigration, had ubiquitous, fail-safe free birth control for the underclass, had tax substantial tax incentives/disincentives to get intelligent, well-adjusted peopel to get busy and the screwups to stop breeding, and a cultural environment promoting, lionizing child bearing for intelligent women.

    In any case, i think it's basically a sure bet that the Chinese--as more and more genetic data rolls in--are going to head down the eugenic path in some fashion. (Incentives, screening, manipulation, etc.) Doing anything else is idiocy, and those folks for all their problems aren't idiots. They do not have a hostile anti-national elite and they don't have this anti-science ideology of pretending genes don't matter in order to harass the people of their nation.

    The smart people are overwhelmingly “liberal” and the ones championing the dysgenic policies. How smart is that?

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    The smart people are overwhelmingly “liberal” and the ones championing the dysgenic policies. How smart is that?
     
    Smart people are susceptible to propaganda. The beauty of America is that there are 'non-smart' people that don't accept the notion that a cow-pie topped with frosting is yummie. Many of the 'non-smart' have high IQs, but were uninterested in 'education' as offered in public schools. They voted for Trump because they were not educated beyond their intelligence. Liberals, OTOH, are, by and large, educated beyond their intelligence.

    We are in a death match. But to dismiss intelligence assumes that you can win on numbers. We don't have the numbers. We must tread the Paths of the Dead, and use intelligence. We can, because we must. If you don't see the sight of the gallows, you are looking at your feet.
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  181. Marcus D. says:
    @Jack D
    Spinoza?

    No, we are talking about the Ashkenazi intellectual golden age that began in the nineteenth century. Spinoza is only a lone Sephardic star.

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    Ricardo wasn't dumb. Nor Maimonides. Nor Judah P. Benjamin nor David Levy Yulee, for that matter. But yeah, I could imagine Sephardics being more like, say, Armenians than like Ashkenazis.
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  182. @Ted F
    Weisman is an idiot, but Ruth Bader didn't have any brothers. She was in the top 5% at Harvard Law (despite a dean who criticized the nine female law students for taking a seat away from men) when she followed her husband to New York, and then couldn't get a job at a single New York law firm because she was a woman. Perhaps there exist Jewish feminists who are only acting out their intrafamily grievances, especially among the millennial generation, but RBG had some legitimate grievances with 1960s society.

    1960s Jewish New York Society? Who do you think runs the New York law firms?

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  183. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2
    I haven't heard it. You in know...in real life. Instead, other than maybe me, all I hear is those who are being offended either make excuses or talk around the subject.

    Were I to suggest anti-black discrimination to a black person they'd tell me to shut up and stop being so bloody racist. I've never actually seen this reaction the other way around. What usually happens is that the offended party speaks in a mealy-mouthed manner and the whole proposition is seen as reasonable - when it clearly is not.

    I wasn't being dishonest. In fact I was making a practical suggestion. Something I remind myself to try to do when I make a political observation. Need I attach a trigger warning in future?

    I haven’t heard [of whites suffering for being identified as racists].

    This and not anything from Hitler or Eisenmemger or the Russian Secret Police is the most anti-Semitic thing I can think of, with a healthy chorus reminding everyone of every single spray-painted swastika through every mass-media outlet.

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    Don't be silly. By 'in real life' I mean in my actual lived and first-hand physical experience. Why do all of your misunderstandings bias in one direction only?
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  184. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT follow up to E. coli outbreak — one person has now died and twenty-five states are affected. But without people who do not understand germ theory, romaine lettuce simply cannot be harvested: it’s settled science.

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  185. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Svigor
    What are Jews known for:

    Television
    Film
    Music
    Entertainment
    Publishing
    Academia
    Opinionating

    Law

    Finance

    The things in the first group are not "just happened to be" things, they are Jewish ethnic endeavors, all in (at least partly) the opinion-manufacturing biz. Law is sort of a bridge category but there's a lot of opinion-making power in law.

    There are super-smart people in, e.g., software and the oil biz but Jews aren't nearly as dominant. Big names like Zuckerface spring to mind, but guess what he's in the opinion-manufacturing social media biz.

    What are Jews known for:

    I would include medicine and physics in your categories as well. A lot of advances in these fields have been made by Jews.

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    I would include medicine and physics in your categories as well. A lot of advances in these fields have been made by Jews.
     
    I forgot retail, too, though that's kinda over now.
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  186. lavoisier says: • Website
    @lavoisier
    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson--he sounds like a complete moron on this subject--even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don't see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind--String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

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    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions. Maybe the IQ gap is actually only 10 points and other traits account for the other 1/6th of the achievement gap?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Very good. Now how to we realize your program?
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  187. Thea says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.
     
    Don't like to contradict our astute and generous host, but this doesn't come close to cutting it.

    What we American whites need from the Jews is
    a) a "thank you" -- an appreciation that America has been very, very, very, very good to Jews (really ridiculously accommodating).
    b) a promise to stop screwing it up. Stop the anti-white nonsense. Stop importing people and close the border. Look to preserve the white-Euro (Western civilizational) roots and culture of the nation which in fact have enabled Jews to do so well here.
    c) an apology for all the damage they've already done. Ok, i know c) isn't going to happen, but it would be a nice way to demonstrate sincerity.

    And in return, we whites would continue to accept Jews as partners in this enterprise meriocratically, in which case they would do well.

    This sort of deal could only come with some realism on the part of Jews that they've done very very well in America, not because they are such geniuses or terrific contributors to American prosperity, but because they are doing their looting--or, if you like "trading and rent-seeking"--on top of a huge white-gentile, ergo prosperous, nation. Note, it's not like Jews can't create a prosperous nation themselves. They have high IQs (skewing verbal) and have done just this--with reasonable success--in Israel. But neither Jews nor Israel have numbers to actually create the wealth Jews have in America. (Proof by revealed choice. Despite "anti-Semitism!" ... Jews do not make Aliyah.) Jews are very well-to-do in America, because they are at the commanding heights of a big rich white-gentile nation. A nation which they have then chosen to tear down!--and make unpleasant for precisely the white-gentiles who've built it and provided such a lucrative opportunity for the Jews. (Gratitude is apparently not a Jewish virtue--at least gratitude to non-Jews.)

    That's the sort of deal that's--probably for a generation or so--potentially on the table. Jews can admit, "hey yeah we've been treated very well in America and done very well on top of a big rich white-gentile nation ... let's have the intelligence and honesty to admit that and not screw it up!"

    But the window for Jews coming to their senses--before demographics or white people coming to their senses makes it moot--is slowly closing. In the coming multi-culti future the Jews themselves have pushed for, this deal will not be available.

    neither a thanks nor an I’m sorry would matter. Only knocking it off and policing their own members would fix it. They can practice their idiosyncratic religion or culture or whatever without destroying the host.

    being hated by everyone around them appears to be part of the strategy for keeping their group identity. I’ve been staring for years they need to reign in the more white hating and harming amongst them for their own good to prevent a backlash. The reaction I get is that I’m a hateful anti-Semite so I’ve concluded they kind of realize they need that opposition to exist.

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  188. Ron Unz says:
    @res
    Thanks for your thoughtful and civil reply.

    I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”.
     
    My statement was far too vague. There were many conclusions in Unz's article. I'll try to be more specific in my later reply.

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.
     
    I downloaded this and started reading it. It looks good so far, but will require some thought and cross checking to reply in detail.

    It is worth noting that Mertz's primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz's methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

    Well, I haven’t read all of this very long comment-thread, but since my name and my Meritocracy analysis came up, I should make it clear that I debunked the totally ludicrous Gelman/Mertz criticisms at the time they appeared, years ago. Here are links to three of my related columns from back then:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-dangerous-cancer-statistics/

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”) is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    I really would suggest that people take a look at one or two of my links ago, and decide for themselves whether or not my claims are correct.

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    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”) is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.
     
    What explains Steve Sailer then? Maybe he has Jewish ancestry. I confess I never thought of that.

    It would certainly explain much.
    , @Lot

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”)
     
    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate. I have never been to Israel, have never been part of any Jewish organization, and know maybe three Hebrew words. I am also not an activist of any sort, though when I was in HS and college I was involved, at a low level, with Republican politics. And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    Same with Gelman. Looking at his website, there appears to be only a very minor interest in these issues, so low there are no topic categories nor a single reference on the front page to them, while on yours there is an enormous focus on the supposed misdeeds of Israel and Jews. I mean, you just mentioned you listen to Red Ice radio! While I don't think there is anything wrong in being interested in these issues or writing about them to the extent that you do, it is pretty rich for you to throw around the word "activist" and "fanatic."
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  189. @Lot
    An interesting idea. So have you been trying to promote the necessary intracommunal good feelings among white Americans for this to work?

    The damage done to the country is permanent. So the kumbaya ship sailed long ago. Not sure where that leaves us, but it ain’t good.

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  190. Vinteuil says:
    @Jack D
    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn't work that way - the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and 'spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception - there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    Jack D, I simply don’t understand this as a response to what I posted.

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  191. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?
     
    What is your proposal to check them?

    You wish to know my plans, now, do you?

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  192. utu says:
    @szopen

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.
     
    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD's, so any error you will spot is mine too): let's took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.

    The ethnic nepotism is the most important factor in Jewish overrepresentation. IQ is a very useful tool to detract people from thinking about ethnic nepotism. There is not question that Jews in American achieved unprecedented dominance. and thus as a top caste in the so-called meritocratic society will do everything to detract form ethnic nepotism allegations. One may even suspect that the main reason why the so-called research in the so-called IQ science is tolerated.

    You are correct that some recent meta studies indicate that Jewish IQ is closer to 106-107 and the cases when 110-115 were reported were on small samples.

    A comparative study of the general factor of personality in Jewish and non-Jewish populations
    Personality and Individual Differences 78 (2015) 63–67
    Curtis S. Dunkel, Charlie L. Reeve, Michael A. Woodley of Menie, Dimitri van der Linden

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    ADD Health (Table 2) MIDUS II (Table 3) PT (Table 4)

    n(jews)=34 n(Jews)=98 n(Jews)=6915
    Jews ———111.24——–105.94——— 106.71
    Catholic——100.39——-100.56———102.92
    Methodist—-100.99 (P)—-99.44———103.99 (P)
    Baptist————————94.38—————–
    Agnostic/Atheists——105.46——-107.33———109.45

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  193. @lavoisier
    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions. Maybe the IQ gap is actually only 10 points and other traits account for the other 1/6th of the achievement gap?

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    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions.
     
    Then Cochran is mathematically illiterate. The math has been done on this site repeatedly - even a 15 point IQ gap does not come close to explaining it. Not even close.

    Instead of submitting to an arrogant blowhard - I note, a congenital defect of yours, Steve, you seem to have an irresistible impulse to submit to any arrogant and pushy person, hence your fawning over Jews - why not actually read about the issue?

    And if a 12 point gap would explain it, we cannot reason backwards and say it exists. Resist that impulse, Steve...must...not...submit....must...resust...inner...slave...must...use..logic...and...facts...
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  194. AaronB says:
    @Vinteuil
    "Let’s...assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful..."

    Let's not assume that. And let's especially not assume that your chances of extreme success keep going up once you get into the IQ stratosphere of 140, 150, 160.

    Especially if we're talking about extreme success in anything outside the hard sciences, mathematics, and, possibly, academic philosophy.

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s very fascinating.

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    It’s also becoming impossible to ignore Jewish mediocrity – as you note, Friedman did not get his position because of IQ. Jewish achievement at high end physics and math has already collapsed, as Unz showed, and Jewish dominated institutions like media, journalism, and Hollywood do not require especially high IQs.

    Notably, hard engineering firms like Boeing ate not notably dominated by Jews – but journalism, yes!

    Not to mention, at IQ 130+ white gentiles outnumber Jews at something more than 10-1.

    Enough already! I am repeating myself endlessly. It’s like whack a mole – leave for a few says, and low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    After all, passion would be “bad form” – right, Steve? An ironical smile, and submission. That is the white way.

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    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions goes DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s ... fascinating.

    Yes. This.
    , @utu

    low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.
     
    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.
    , @Jack D
    Aaron B has apparently made a breakthrough in discerning IQ from blog comments. In the past, IQ could only be measured by having a trained professional administer a lengthy test, but using Aaron's revolutionary method it is possible to skip this entirely and determine the IQ of people (like me) that you have never even met. I look forward to reading his paper on this revolutionary method.

    What Aaron says is true - not only are the Jews absent from hard engineering but they are also absent from theoretical physics and math. Who has ever even HEARD of a Jewish physicist?
    , @res

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.
     
    Some thoughts:
    - Since there are so many more people with 120 IQs than 150 IQs this follows fairly naturally from rarity in the population combined with skills other than IQ being important. As an example, consider applying an IQ threshold. For high thresholds the average will be very close to the threshold because of the shape of the distribution.
    - "Oxford professors" lumps various disciplines with potentially quite different IQ profiles together. Especially in an age of copious affirmative action.
    - CEOs is interestingly low. I think that is explained by the leadership issue I mention above (along with the usual need to rise through the ranks) combined with the extreme importance of skills other than IQ.

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s very fascinating.
     
    Vox Day is one of the more interesting sources on this. I think this is one of his more relevant posts (can you suggest others?): http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html
    It is largely based on this: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html
    which I think makes more sense to focus on (and is worth a read, agree with the conclusions or not). Ferguson computes results adjusting for the shape of the IQ distribution and makes interesting points, but I have trouble reconciling his conclusions with the SMPY/TIP results.
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  195. @Marcus D.
    No, we are talking about the Ashkenazi intellectual golden age that began in the nineteenth century. Spinoza is only a lone Sephardic star.

    Ricardo wasn’t dumb. Nor Maimonides. Nor Judah P. Benjamin nor David Levy Yulee, for that matter. But yeah, I could imagine Sephardics being more like, say, Armenians than like Ashkenazis.

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    Ok, but the explosion in the number of important Ashkenazi intellectuals in the 19th is a enormous phenomena. And it's independent from previous Sephardic intellectuals, because they were from a different population.
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  196. Altai says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Isn't it all this Jew stuff overhyped? ? I've come across this text: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jews-biggest-threat-on-campus-isnt-bds-its/

    Jewish students on campus (for the most part) simply don’t see the relations with their Jewishness or the connection to Israel as a priority in their lives.

    Time and time again I hear from the different Jewish Organizations leaders on campus the huge numbers of Jewish students on campus (at the big ones their several thousands of them), yet the show up rate for most events and engagements is most of the time less than 1%!
     

    This ambivalent approach by so many Jewish students on campuses who care solely about their grades and professional careers and have no connection to their identity and show no involvement in the Jewish life on campus, should be a red flag for anyone who believes in the importance of American jewery and its relations with Israel.
     
    Not denying that Jewish activists & plutocrats have a non-negligible grip on US policy, it seems that most "Jews" are basically deracinated. They simply don't care about their separate identity, if they've succeeded to maintain it at all ...

    You’re looking at a particular generation that doesn’t have the institutional power yet, we don’t have time for them to replace the old guard in order to have a different foreign policy. But those ‘deracinated’ Jews may not look kindly on the acts of Israel but they’re perhaps even moreso last men who would feel uncomfortable without ‘diversity’. Think George Soros, they might not see Ashkenazim going to the Levant as them returning to their homeland or perhaps as desirable (Who’d trade Manhattan for Tel Aviv?) or sustainable and find the whole affair a terrible crime, but they still desire to terraform their host societies.

    And a lack of active ethnocentric participation doesn’t mean they’ll oppose ethnocentric kin. A huge amount of Jews oppose Israel or at least oppose Likud aggression and Netanyahu, but they’re still largely silent like Krugman, they avoid the issue. And ‘diversity’ worship is a natural progression for a Jew who lacks of more authentic Jewish cultural existence.

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  197. AaronB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions. Maybe the IQ gap is actually only 10 points and other traits account for the other 1/6th of the achievement gap?

    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions.

    Then Cochran is mathematically illiterate. The math has been done on this site repeatedly – even a 15 point IQ gap does not come close to explaining it. Not even close.

    Instead of submitting to an arrogant blowhard – I note, a congenital defect of yours, Steve, you seem to have an irresistible impulse to submit to any arrogant and pushy person, hence your fawning over Jews – why not actually read about the issue?

    And if a 12 point gap would explain it, we cannot reason backwards and say it exists. Resist that impulse, Steve…must…not…submit….must…resust…inner…slave…must…use..logic…and…facts…

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  198. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.
     
    Well, I haven't read all of this very long comment-thread, but since my name and my Meritocracy analysis came up, I should make it clear that I debunked the totally ludicrous Gelman/Mertz criticisms at the time they appeared, years ago. Here are links to three of my related columns from back then:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-dangerous-cancer-statistics/

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and "Lot") is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    I really would suggest that people take a look at one or two of my links ago, and decide for themselves whether or not my claims are correct.

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”) is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    What explains Steve Sailer then? Maybe he has Jewish ancestry. I confess I never thought of that.

    It would certainly explain much.

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  199. Forbes says:
    @Jake
    "America’s main problem today is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people…hatred of other white people."


    Hatred of 'other' white people is the very basis of WASP culture. Hatred of other white people is the reason that Archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell made concrete the Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in making alliance with Jews: Jews got to enter England legally opnce again, with special rights and privileges, and the WASPs got money to keep warring to destroy non-WASP white cultures.

    Yes. Very convincing to see how the Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland for five years in the 17th century had such a profound and permanent effect on the ensuing 360 years. Especially his impact on the British Colonies in N. America that numbered 75,000 at the time of Cromwell’s death.

    Such men having an unchanging imprint on culture and civilization are giants of history…

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    An arsonist doesn't need to remain present for the fire.
    , @Hibernian
    He demonstrated the cruelty of Calvinism to a people who later diasporized throughout the English speaking world.
    , @Neil Templeton
    You are misstating his argument...
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  200. @anonymous
    Jewish power and influence is becoming a greater and greater topic of interests to the general public. Big money can be made addressing the topic openly and honestly, and big political power is going to be gained too by addressing the subject openly and honestly.

    Yes and No. It’s becoming a greater topic of interest to white Americans because of the glaring hypocrisy of Jewish neoconservatives/liberal hawks in the US. Over-representation in Hypocrisywood doesn’t help American Jews either. The rest of the western world isn’t all that bothered. European nationalists have bigger things to worry about, like the African population bomb.

    What Jewish neocons want is for nationalist whites to display existential hatred of Jews as a race. That why they can credibly cry racism and dodge sober, focused criticism from people like Steve.

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  201. utu says:

    The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

    Here is an example of Jewish method in mathematics by Vilna Gaon (1720-1797):

    Based on this verse, Rabbi Refa’el Immanuel Chai Riki in his book Choshev Machashavot on the Bible (written 1617-8) writes that,

    The width of a hexagon circumvented within a circle is exactly a third of the perimeter of the polygon, not more and not less.

    In the Hebrew text of the verse in Kings, the word “perimeter” (קָו ) is written and read differently. Such a variation between the way a word is read and the way it is written is one of the manifest mysterious phenomena of the Bible. In this particular case, the word is written קוה , but read קָו . The obvious point, as highlighted in Choshev Machashavot is that for a circle with diameter 10 cubits, the circumference is not exactly 30 cubits. The additional letter ה that appears in the written form but is not read indicates the presence of a remainder that was suppressed.

    Based on this same observation, it is well known that the Gaon of Vilna, some 100 years later, offered the following elaboration. If we take the numerical value of the written form of “perimeter” (קָוה ), 111, and divide it by the oral form (קָו ), 106 and then multiply it by 3 we get a very good approximation for π. Specifically, 3 · 111/106 = 3.1415094…

    Clever, but no clue about what mathematics was and very far from Newton, though Newton perhaps would appreciate the numerology as well.

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  202. @songbird
    Future trends are an interesting question, but endogamy or lack thereof isn't a good measure of current Jewish tribalism, IMO.

    The best way to test it is through real life experience. I've heard Jews say many things touching on Jewishness that I can't even begin to find parallels with other white ethnicities. Possibly there are other groups like blacks and Indians, but, I don't think it is true of whites, Hispanics, or East Asians.

    Finally, there is the question of who they are marrying. There is assortative mating. Rootless people tend to marry rootless people. The Left tends to marry itself. I'm willing to bet there is a high degree of hyphenated names in these marriages, a sign of Leftism. Many half-Jews I know see themselves as being Jewish.

    I hesitated for a while to reply (not because of the content, but because SS’ moderation policy is slower than US Army advance in Monte Cassino). Since comments section is no place for essays, just a few clear & even dogmatic statements.

    1. IQ is overrated & Jewish IQ is probably overrated (without consequence). We simply can’t measure ingenuity, motivation, creativity, prolonged focus, “inspiration”, … True geniuses like Plato, Leonardo, Euler, Newton, Hilbert ..are not reducible to IQ. Moreover, in various types of sciences influence is not commensurate with intellectual acumen: Charles Darwin & Albert Einstein did not possess almost supernatural powers of cognition & creativity Leonhard Euler & Gottfried Leibniz excelled in, but their works are, due to many complex circumstances, probably more important.

    More, Jewish verbal IQ (according to IQ tests) had not given commensurate achievements in written words areas (literature, philosophy,..). On the other hand, there are many great Jewish mathematicians, more than Jewish philosophers or novelists.

    2. Jews have been highly visible & influential in past 100-150 years (before that, in their close to 3000 years history, they’ve been good achievers, but nothing even remotely spectacular as classic Greeks, or later Italians, English, Germans..). In sum, they’re, at best, small geniuses but not transcendentally great- except Einstein, von Neumann & perhaps 2-4 others. Even those mentioned towered during great flourishing of German culture (1740-1940); it is hardly imaginable Einstein would have accomplished as much had he been an American Jew.

    3. over-representation in Nobels etc. Commensurable with their love of intellectual pursuits (post-1770s), hard work & situation in the heart of culturally-technologically most advanced countries in the world at the time (Germany, US). But, most Nobel prizes in exact sciences are given to second-tier achievements in past ca. 100 years. Which really, really important & groundbreaking discoveries had been made in past ~ 100 years? Relativity (Einstein), QM (Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Dirac), perhaps astronomy (Hubble got lucky) & DNA (Watson). Most of the rest is respectable work at application or brushing up the details.

    4. as for Jews and politics, entrepreneurship & public intellectuals, I hope Steve is not too serious. Those are not fields of impressive mental athleticism. Although famous- Steve Jobs, with regard to more permanent influence & human accomplishment, is simply not in the league with Ken Thompson or Dennis Ritchie. Of course, these are different areas, just ..

    5. re Jewish inter-marriage, one should better rely on stats than on personal observations: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-2-intermarriage-and-other-demographics/

    The new Pew Research survey finds that, overall, 56% of married Jews have a Jewish spouse, while 44% of Jewish respondents are married to a non-Jew. Among Jews by religion who are married, 64% have a Jewish spouse and 36% have a non-Jewish spouse. By comparison, Jews of no religion are much more likely to be in mixed marriages; just 21% of married Jews of no religion are married to a Jewish spouse, while 79% are married to a non-Jewish spouse.

    https://jewishaction.com/religion/outreach/jonahs-sukkah/

    Among our non-Orthodox brethren, the intermarriage rate has skyrocketed. If we leave out the Orthodox—who very rarely intermarry—71.5 percent of American Jews marry outside of the faith. (This number refers to no form of conversion, that is, when the spouse identifies him or herself as a non-Jew. If we included nonhalachic conversions, the number is significantly higher.)

    ………..

    Moreover, most non-Orthodox Jews will intermarry; among children of the intermarried, the statistics are abysmal. Only 17 percent of the children of intermarried couples marry other Jews. With a birthrate of only 1.9 children and an astoundingly high intermarriage rate, American Jewry is on a train speeding headlong into self-destruction.

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    With a birthrate of only 1.9 children and an astoundingly high intermarriage rate, American Jewry is on a train speeding headlong into self-destruction.
     
    For the sake of America's survival, I hope this prediction is right, and happens sooner rather than later.
    , @lavoisier
    Good overview. Would include Crick with Watson for sure and Niels Bohr (part Jewish) with quantum mechanics.

    Einstein may not have been the original discoverer of either special or general relativity.

    The best case scenario for Einstein is that he was a co-discoverer of these theories with a lot of help from other scientists and mathematicians including Lorentz, Poincare, Riemann, and Hilbert.

    , @Yan Shen

    More, Jewish verbal IQ (according to IQ tests) had not given commensurate achievements in written words areas (literature, philosophy,..). On the other hand, there are many great Jewish mathematicians, more than Jewish philosophers or novelists.
     
    See my comment in response to Ron. I was under the impression Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.

    Interestingly enough, a long, long time ago on some other blog, I seem to recall a commenter going by the pseudonym RKU pointing out that he had always been very strong both in V and in M, but was weaker spatially. I wonder if that fellow happened to be Jewish as well... :)

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  203. What Jewish neocons want is for nationalist whites to display existential hatred of Jews as a race. That why they can credibly cry racism and dodge sober, focused criticism from people like Steve.

    Organized Jewry in America, almost without exception, is acting as a race or a tribe to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Organized Jewry is also pushing for the American Empire to do the bidding of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    If Jew elements did not control large portions of the corporate propaganda apparatus, nobody would care if they cried racism. Organized Jewry has too much power in the United States.

    ABC/Disney and CBS/Viacom and NBC/Comcast are all controlled by Jews, directly or indirectly.

    Neo-Conservative Jews in the United States push nation-wrecking mass immigration. Neo-Conservative Jews and the WASP Bush Organized Crime Syndicate were the groups that dragged the United States into the Iraq War debacle.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is evil and they must be removed from power.

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  204. Frankie P says:
    @Lot

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. ["Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs"]
     
    Sure, antisemitic stereotypes, like stereotypes in general, rarely come out of nowhere. I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    There's also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).
     
    That's too pessimistic. Most of the extremely destructive Great Society handouts to anti-white types have now been killed off. A lot of the remains have seen their budgets, adjusted for inflation, fall by half. The old policy of unlimited AFDC welfare is dead. Total non-defense public employment as a share of the workforce has been on a long-term decline since Reagan. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, collectively home to almost 10% of the US population, have definitively defeated their public sector union domination.

    Even if this were not the case, I am OK with the collateral damage from dismantling a large part of the public sector and the student-loan harvesting educational sector. It isn't realistic for the right to retake law schools and humanities departments. It is realistic to stop subsidizing them, since every dollar we cut has a potential winner who gets that dollar in the form of a tax cut or alternative government spending.

    “I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.”

    So, a few questions. I ask these with the hope that you’ll address them honestly. You have opened up an interesting box here, and we should explore its contents.

    First, how should gentiles who are aware of this phenomenon and see it as a threat react? Is it acceptable for them to speak out about it? In polite society in the US today, it certainly is NOT. Do you feel that those gentiles have been trained to self-censor? Is that acceptable?

    Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?

    Frankie P

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    First, how should gentiles who are aware of this phenomenon and see it as a threat react?
     
    What is the actual threat? It is the Third World invasion, or the ethnic background of its advocates? What I think the really big question is, does it make sense for American whites concerned about the invasion to declare Jews our implacable enemies? For so many reasons, the answer is no, that we are slowly losing and need all the help we can get and as broad a coalition as we can manage.

    Is it acceptable for them to speak out about it? ... Do you feel that those gentiles have been trained to self-censor? Is that acceptable?
     
    Acceptable is kind of vague, but I don't want to censor anyway. Self-censorship however is part of being a mature adult. I think it would be best if someone finds they have strong feelings about Jews to ask themselves if it would help or hurt what they care about to express them.

    Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?
     
    Nationalist Jews unfortunately lack the ability to make anti-white Jews shut up. My general prescription for white Americans is the same regardless of ethnic background: have children, be a good person and a good citizen, make an example of your virtue, save your income, avoid all conspicuous consumption, and be politically engaged where you can be most effective. In terms of concrete steps to stop the invasion, I hope people who might be qualified seriously consider applying for an executive branch position with Trump, for a job in law enforcement, or for a job within our immigration bureaucracy.
    , @Luke Lea
    "Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?"

    To paraphrase Burke, all that is required for bad Jews to triumph is for good Jews to do nothing.
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  205. @Tyrion 2
    Your post reads like it was written by one of the Mafia goons from the Simpsons.

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group.

    And yes that group does include most Jews by my reckoning.

    But that group is normally called 'white people', so your goonish post now seems to be inadvertently directed at yourself.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks for people who are both white and Jewish, it does at least make for an amusing observation. I had a giggle.

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group [white people].

    Who are these anti-white “reasonable people” of whom you speak? When I wrote “otherwise reasonable people” I was talking about normal whites who are not happy with their increased dispossession in the countries their ancestors founded.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks …

    It’s not about plaintively lamenting being insulted or threatened, it’s about dispassionately taking those threats seriously and preparing for possible war. That doesn’t mean desiring war for it’s own sake, but if (limited?) war is inevitable, honorable people should embrace it with deadly vigor.

    As to which side should prevail in a hypothetical core vs. fringe Donnybrook of Doom, that’s one of them thar who/whom questions. You can guess where I stand.

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    Who are these anti-white “reasonable people” of whom you speak? When I wrote “otherwise reasonable people” I was talking about normal whites who are not happy with their increased dispossession in the countries their ancestors founded.
     
    I also wrote 'otherwise reasonable'. Please don't delete key words. Anyway, see below.

    Gallup's annual Minority Rights and Relations poll* finds 50% of Americans favor "affirmative action programs for racial minorities," while 42% oppose such programs. Previous surveys in this series have shown similar results, with slightly more Americans expressing support than opposition.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/18091/race-ideology-support-affirmative-action.aspx

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  206. @Jack D
    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    I’m with Res on this one. I generally agree with what you’re saying but feel that it’s a tad dated. I grew up around the bright fly-over whites of which you speak, and, while a few were looking to East Coast schools, most were fine with the Flagship State U. This was backed up many years later when I worked with an economist who had been a professor at one of the two highest ranked Big Ten universities. He was a Jew from the East Coast, and he mentioned how shocked he was when he arrived and discovered year after year some incredibly bright kids who told him that they had never thought of going to any school outside of their state flagship.

    Granted, that was a very good flag ship university, but the same held true for other states.

    However, again, this is from the 1980s and 1990s so things likely have changed.

    Look, I’m not saying that ethnic nepotism is the sole reason that Jews are so over-represented, but to claim that it’s not a factor is silly. And, frankly, I don’t see why it’s a bad thing. Jews look after Jews – when they can and when it doesn’t hurt their own career. What’s wrong with that?

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  207. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB
    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It's very fascinating.

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    It's also becoming impossible to ignore Jewish mediocrity - as you note, Friedman did not get his position because of IQ. Jewish achievement at high end physics and math has already collapsed, as Unz showed, and Jewish dominated institutions like media, journalism, and Hollywood do not require especially high IQs.

    Notably, hard engineering firms like Boeing ate not notably dominated by Jews - but journalism, yes!

    Not to mention, at IQ 130+ white gentiles outnumber Jews at something more than 10-1.

    Enough already! I am repeating myself endlessly. It's like whack a mole - leave for a few says, and low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that's the real Jewish advantage - repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    After all, passion would be "bad form" - right, Steve? An ironical smile, and submission. That is the white way.

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions goes DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s … fascinating.

    Yes. This.

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  208. @Vinteuil
    "...what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?"

    Good question. This was the human way for many thousands of years.

    Universalism/Impartialism is a late blooming, hot house flower, which drives its true believers to suicide. It cannot last.

    Yep. Whites have been on top so long that we think that our shit don’t stink. We’ll remember to look after our own when we get knocked down a notch or two.

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  209. Cleburne says:
    @Jake
    "America’s main problem today is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people…hatred of other white people."


    Hatred of 'other' white people is the very basis of WASP culture. Hatred of other white people is the reason that Archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell made concrete the Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in making alliance with Jews: Jews got to enter England legally opnce again, with special rights and privileges, and the WASPs got money to keep warring to destroy non-WASP white cultures.

    For at least the third time of asking, can you demonstrate or document this interesting thesis? At the very least you have some facts somewhat askew per Cromwell and the Jews. Also define what you mean by Judaising heresy. I’m not sure you understand what it means, or at least are not well read in English puritan theology which besides being very diverse has clear tendencies toward universalism on the part of some (Burroughs, who was Cromwell’s chaplain, Crisp, Bunyan).

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  210. Anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    As a job and way to spend your time, it’s probably pretty boring to really bright people, their version of the toll booth toll collector job.

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  211. pyrrhus says:
    @Jack D
    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are "over-represented" in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of "Jews" say "high IQ elites" - high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish - they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say "low IQ" and instead of "whites" say "middle IQ". Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don't really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

    A total lie, based on bogus or misrepresented statistics. Ashkenazi Jews are no more intelligent than Northern Europeans or Northeast Asians, and their achievements demonstrate this fact. Other jews are less intelligent. What the Jews have is extreme ethnocentrism and no morals, hence nepotism, intimidation and bribery are routinely used to get what they want…

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  212. pyrrhus says:
    @vinteuil
    Why would they take the deal? Why pay for what they're already getting for free?

    Because if they don’t take some deal and stop trying to destroy Western societies, they won’t get a deal ….

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  213. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Forbes
    Yes. Very convincing to see how the Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland for five years in the 17th century had such a profound and permanent effect on the ensuing 360 years. Especially his impact on the British Colonies in N. America that numbered 75,000 at the time of Cromwell's death.

    Such men having an unchanging imprint on culture and civilization are giants of history...

    An arsonist doesn’t need to remain present for the fire.

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  214. @Jack D
    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism, even on American anti-Semitism which was never genocidal (or even close to genocidal). Before the Holocaust, it was possible to be a "polite" anti-Semite and make rational arguments about whether the Jews were in all respects 100% nothing but good for America and all Americans and should be included in every possible sphere (club, private business, etc.). People (especially Jews) might disagree with you but it was a valid (if somewhat controversial) POV. Henry Ford was openly anti-Semitic and remained a well respected figure. Lindbergh too.

    But, the Holocaust changed everything for American Jews. They perceived (rightly or wrongly) that "polite" anti-Semitism might lead to the not so polite kind and that the stakes involved potentially were not just membership in golf clubs but literally life and death. Say you have some dandelions in your lawn - you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

    Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

    Isn’t that basically Nazi philosophy vis-à-vis Jews? I guess it all depends on whose lawn it is. Some itchy recent transplants may soon try to claim your lawn was never yours and doesn’t even exist.

    John Stewart at 11 minutes in:

    This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was! There is no real America!

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    The Nazis wanted to (and did) physically exterminate the Jews of Europe. Call me when American Jews set up gas chambers for American whites.
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  215. utu says:
    @AaronB
    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It's very fascinating.

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    It's also becoming impossible to ignore Jewish mediocrity - as you note, Friedman did not get his position because of IQ. Jewish achievement at high end physics and math has already collapsed, as Unz showed, and Jewish dominated institutions like media, journalism, and Hollywood do not require especially high IQs.

    Notably, hard engineering firms like Boeing ate not notably dominated by Jews - but journalism, yes!

    Not to mention, at IQ 130+ white gentiles outnumber Jews at something more than 10-1.

    Enough already! I am repeating myself endlessly. It's like whack a mole - leave for a few says, and low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that's the real Jewish advantage - repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    After all, passion would be "bad form" - right, Steve? An ironical smile, and submission. That is the white way.

    low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.

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    Exactly. I know it well first hand.

    The sooner we retire the idiotic Jewish intelligence myth and focus on the real sources of Jewish power (intensity, pushiness) - and white weakness (apathy, purposelessness), the better for everyone, including Jews, who can return to a healthier and more normal position in society in accordance with their actual more modest talents.

    A Jewish commenter on Vox Day remarked that many Jews suffer from "imposter syndrome" - few can live up to the myth of brilliance, which is obviously not based on reality.

    I notice that there is s divide between the older and younger generation of whites - and I think one of the reasons the older generation can't accept the truth is because it must be deeply humiliating that you let yourself be ruled by an inferior tribe. I imagine the Indians felt the same way when they realized the British were not actually smarter than them.

    But it happens. If your game is down, you may get ruled by an inferior tribe. A handful of Europeans lorded it over millions of Chinese. It's no big deal, it happens - but you gotta face the situation and deal with it.
    , @anon

    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.
     
    You can criticize the Jews or the blacks, but not both. Criticizing blacks will get you kicked off msm, but you can still go on conservative media. Criticizing Jews will mean the end of your existence in any public sphere, even conservative media like American Conservative, National Review, Breitbart won't want anything to do with you, because they are still either Jew run or live in fear of Jews. Jews control both sides of the debate. There's nowhere to run. The only place Philip Giraldi gets published is on Unz.

    The only people who are allowed to publicly criticize Jews and get away with it are blacks. On Daily Caller today there was an article about BLM saying if you have hate Israel or you are a racist, because Israel is an apartheid state. If any non-black said that he/she would be dead meat.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/black-lives-matter-isreal-racist/

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  216. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.
     
    Isn’t that basically Nazi philosophy vis-à-vis Jews? I guess it all depends on whose lawn it is. Some itchy recent transplants may soon try to claim your lawn was never yours and doesn’t even exist.

    John Stewart at 11 minutes in:

    This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was! There is no real America!
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik&feature=youtu.be&t=11m

    The Nazis wanted to (and did) physically exterminate the Jews of Europe. Call me when American Jews set up gas chambers for American whites.

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    After my flippant comment (just a dig at Steve and his golf) above, I had wanted to reply to you after your 2nd or so comment with some serious stuff. The next I checked, the thread was >200 comments long, and I have not read many yet. I'll just write what I wanted to say here, in reply.

    You're an erudite and learned man, I can tell, Jack, so I'm sure you know some of the history of the build-up to the atrocities in Nazi Germany. I happen to have some personal information on it, aside from doing a lot of history reading over the last 15 years or so (used to hate history). It just comes down to the same thing I've been writing on another subject: You don't keep backing people into a corner. I'm referring to the way Germany was treated after WWI and the Wiemar Republic, and a pendulum that was let to swing WAY TOO FAR the other way.

    The great too-deep-to-climb-out-of financial hole that Germany was forced into after the Great War, causing ridiculous hyperinflation, along with the great cultural degradations during the Wiemar years, was not by any means all the Jews' fault. It's just that they were a part of it, and because they hadn't assimilated into the culture well (which is typical) they became the best scapegoats. In addition, being smart with money, they were a disproportionate number of the people who came out with riches, or at least kept their wealth, during the hyperinflation. That doesn't look good to people who have lost everything they worked for, in the banks, no matter that it was just good foresight on the Jews' part.

    The last piece of this "perfect storm" of persecution was the way the German society let one man, and a partially-mad man at that, get to a position of absolute power. It wouldn't have gone as far as it did without him.

    (Getting long - I'm gonna continue this in a minute...)
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    (Continued from my 1st reply to this Jack D. comment - #211)

    Why is it that the Jewish people in America, especially those with great influence (via media, university positions, government, etc.) have been pushing the left-wing socialist crap for so long?* Is it going to work out good for them? Nah, first, I don't think it is part of any grand plan. Secondly, I don't think that above average intelligence equates to really understanding the unintended (for the most part) havoc that some of these social changes will result in.

    I will say right here, since this is a Steve Sailer post (article, in this case) that I have read his stuff before in which he really tries to explain this to any Jewish influential people who may be reading, through no fault of their own ;-} I am not even paraphrasing, but just remembering that the gist of it has been: Do you all really know the endgame of some of this political and social change you've been pushing? Why would you not give the white non-elites a break sometime, as what will happen if this benign, Jewish-friendly white middle class is destroyed? Can you just lay off the agitation, for the sake of our and your country? It's not snarky either, and I remember thinking after reading Mr. Sailer's last couple of paragraphs of a similar Takimag article: I really wish they would not get offended and just heed this guy.

    As bright as people may be, the instigators of the scourges of feminism, socialism, civil-rights-racism, and all of it are just not WISE ENOUGH during their college agitation years to know that they are wrong about this stuff. Why they continue supporting the destruction of the American culture even in later life, when in positions of power is another question.

    * I don't think there's any denying this by anyone who does any reading of election and other polls results. The Jewish people lean heavily leftist, albeit with the remainder that are politically aware having plenty of conservative/libertarian views.

    (will continue with one more reply comment ...)
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    (Continued from my 2nd reply to Jack D. - comment #211.)

    Let me try to answer the question I posed in my previous comment. The 1st answer is that the large amount of Jewish immigration from eastern Europe in the 1890's - 1920's simply brought lots of people with socialist/Commie views to the country. I don't know how that all started back in the old country, but the name Karl Marx rings a bell. The descendants of these people would tend to keep these views more than descendants of other ethnic groups because this particular group always has had a deep interest in politics.

    That leads to the 2nd answer, though even more speculative, I guess:

    One massive difference between the Jewish religion and Christianity is that Christianity says that one cannot get to heaven via good works alone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many religious Jewish people would believe this. They will feel throughout their lives, that they must do good in some way, possibly more intensely than their Christian peers.

    Many may just work hard at a job that requires intelligence, and that's a good thing for their adopted society. However, the type that, as a young man, thinks he must change the world politically is the one that get involved in all the stupid social causes, again, not having the wisdom to realize that maybe his elders are not all dumb reactionaries.

    What of the ethnic Jewish elites who are atheists, and I guess there are many? That would go back to the 1st answer, as these political attitudes just keep passing down from one generation to the next.

    What in hell this has to do with your comment # 211, Jack, is that it seems like the regular American people are getting pushed into the corner with all this BS. This time, Jewish people are a significant fraction of the people responsible. There is no call for this business. It's not good for any of us, if the pendulum swings too hard back the other way.

    , @Thea
    Celebrating our becoming a minority in our homeland, driving us out of important positions, losing our jobs and therefore ability to feed our children for criticizing Jewish power are skating awfully close. So you'd like us to wait till they imitate Hitler's actions exactly I suppose.
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  217. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.
     
    Well, I haven't read all of this very long comment-thread, but since my name and my Meritocracy analysis came up, I should make it clear that I debunked the totally ludicrous Gelman/Mertz criticisms at the time they appeared, years ago. Here are links to three of my related columns from back then:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-dangerous-cancer-statistics/

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and "Lot") is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    I really would suggest that people take a look at one or two of my links ago, and decide for themselves whether or not my claims are correct.

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”)

    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate. I have never been to Israel, have never been part of any Jewish organization, and know maybe three Hebrew words. I am also not an activist of any sort, though when I was in HS and college I was involved, at a low level, with Republican politics. And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    Same with Gelman. Looking at his website, there appears to be only a very minor interest in these issues, so low there are no topic categories nor a single reference on the front page to them, while on yours there is an enormous focus on the supposed misdeeds of Israel and Jews. I mean, you just mentioned you listen to Red Ice radio! While I don’t think there is anything wrong in being interested in these issues or writing about them to the extent that you do, it is pretty rich for you to throw around the word “activist” and “fanatic.”

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    You have to listen to Red Ice to hear any mention of certain things. Red Ice has a true variety of guests. The other side has the Mighty Wurlitzer and still sends out programmatic trolls and whispering-campaigners everywhere. Is there to be no corner of the Earth where a guy can observe that he doesn't like something which Experts have decided he ought to like, regardless of his reasons?
    And yet, for every YouTube censoring, there's an ESPN watcher who gives up on the network (Breitbart is saying they lost half a million subscribers in April), and it is now routine for Hollywood studios to arrange to buy blocks of their own tickets.
    , @Ron Unz

    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate...And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.
     
    Ha, ha... Let me guess, your ethnicity---like that of "Whiskey"---is mostly "Scots-Irish." Longtime readers of Steve's blog will get that joke.

    My entire corpus of articles, well over 500,000 words, is available on this website, and I very much doubt that more than about 5% of it deals with Jews or Israel. Furthermore, relatively few of my comments here happen to touch on those subjects either, the main exception being when I happen to notice Jewish-activists---err "Scots-Irish" activists---such as yourself issuing ridiculous denunciations of my Meritocracy analysis.

    If you indeed have as little personal connection with or interest for Jewish/Israel issues as you claim, then your seeming focus on the existence of superlative Jewish intelligence---all actual evidence to the contrary---is certainly a puzzlement...
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  218. Redman says:
    @Ted F
    Weisman is an idiot, but Ruth Bader didn't have any brothers. She was in the top 5% at Harvard Law (despite a dean who criticized the nine female law students for taking a seat away from men) when she followed her husband to New York, and then couldn't get a job at a single New York law firm because she was a woman. Perhaps there exist Jewish feminists who are only acting out their intrafamily grievances, especially among the millennial generation, but RBG had some legitimate grievances with 1960s society.

    RBG graduated from Columbia Law where there were even fewer women in her class. I think 3 or 4.

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  219. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    Jews seem to always overplay their hand with the host population. I think it is pure arrogance. You'd think they would learn, but hubris seems to be too deeply embedded in their DNA.

    When the chickens come home to roost in this country, as they have so many times in other countries, it could get ugly. And ironically, it won't be the hated white rednecks exacting vengeance. It will be the black and brown people they currently consider their human pets.

    However we can be certain that, decades later, they’ll blame the white rednecks for not coming to their rescue in a timely enough fashion.

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  220. Thought provoking book review.

    Weisman appears to have never thought about how some of his passages sound like anti-Semitic propaganda

    That’s quite common to all of them. In fact it’s somewhat of a trait.

    The Jew flourishes when…

    I remember a discussion between Kevin MacDonald and Tom Sunic about how Jews hate being referred to as “Jew”, or “Jews” or especially as “the Jew”, which is why both MacDonald and Sunic temper their speech by using the gentle “Jewish” instead.

    Sounds like this book is worth getting just to get to grips with the Jew’s latest shenanigans.

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  221. Lot says:
    @res
    Thanks for your thoughtful and civil reply.

    I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”.
     
    My statement was far too vague. There were many conclusions in Unz's article. I'll try to be more specific in my later reply.

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.
     
    I downloaded this and started reading it. It looks good so far, but will require some thought and cross checking to reply in detail.

    It is worth noting that Mertz's primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz's methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

    but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position

    It does if the issue is the number of Jews admitted to top schools versus the relative number of qualified applicants. I don’t think it is controversial that Jews are admitted a high level relative to their population share of 18-year-olds.

    I took (as did Gelman) Unz’s core point to be that there was evidence of the top colleges discriminating in favor of Jews compared to white non-Jews. In fact, the opposite is true, for two main reasons. First, there is a geographic diversity preference that results in an admission bump to the heavily non-Jewish residents of the low-population Western states, plus a few more states that produce few very high scoring students like WV and MS. Second, there is an athletic preference, which is strongest for men’s basketball, football and hockey, but exists to a smaller extent in many other sports.

    I have no objection to these preferences by the way, but they both certainly exist, and work against Jews and to an even greater extent Asians in favor of non-Jewish whites.

    At least on what I took to be his core point, the sloppy Jew counting, including taking Hillel’s absurd and internally contradictory estimates of Jewish student scares screwed up the rest of the work. As does the idea that you can measure talent at the population level with competitions like IMO and Putnam. You might as well conclude that 90% of the most qualified high school students are South Asian based on spelling bee results. The PSAT presents a better method, but the problem is that being a NMS semifinalist is below what you need to get into the very top schools, and also Unz’s Jew-counting was sloppy or biased there too.

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    First, there is a geographic diversity preference that results in an admission bump to the heavily non-Jewish residents of the low-population Western states
     
    You mean like children of Jewish doctors and university administrators from Iowa City accounting for 2/3 of all admitees from all of Iowa, as happened at my Ivy alma mater one year?

    What you wrote above is extremely disingenuous. I know because I worked at admissions one year at my undergrad alma mater.
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  222. AaronB says:
    @utu

    low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.
     
    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.

    Exactly. I know it well first hand.

    The sooner we retire the idiotic Jewish intelligence myth and focus on the real sources of Jewish power (intensity, pushiness) – and white weakness (apathy, purposelessness), the better for everyone, including Jews, who can return to a healthier and more normal position in society in accordance with their actual more modest talents.

    A Jewish commenter on Vox Day remarked that many Jews suffer from “imposter syndrome” – few can live up to the myth of brilliance, which is obviously not based on reality.

    I notice that there is s divide between the older and younger generation of whites – and I think one of the reasons the older generation can’t accept the truth is because it must be deeply humiliating that you let yourself be ruled by an inferior tribe. I imagine the Indians felt the same way when they realized the British were not actually smarter than them.

    But it happens. If your game is down, you may get ruled by an inferior tribe. A handful of Europeans lorded it over millions of Chinese. It’s no big deal, it happens – but you gotta face the situation and deal with it.

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    Excellent comment. Interesting about the "impostor syndrome" but if one really suffers form it it is a sign of true intelligence. All the rest do not have a second thought like most conmen, hucksters and psychopaths.
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  223. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”)
     
    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate. I have never been to Israel, have never been part of any Jewish organization, and know maybe three Hebrew words. I am also not an activist of any sort, though when I was in HS and college I was involved, at a low level, with Republican politics. And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    Same with Gelman. Looking at his website, there appears to be only a very minor interest in these issues, so low there are no topic categories nor a single reference on the front page to them, while on yours there is an enormous focus on the supposed misdeeds of Israel and Jews. I mean, you just mentioned you listen to Red Ice radio! While I don't think there is anything wrong in being interested in these issues or writing about them to the extent that you do, it is pretty rich for you to throw around the word "activist" and "fanatic."

    You have to listen to Red Ice to hear any mention of certain things. Red Ice has a true variety of guests. The other side has the Mighty Wurlitzer and still sends out programmatic trolls and whispering-campaigners everywhere. Is there to be no corner of the Earth where a guy can observe that he doesn’t like something which Experts have decided he ought to like, regardless of his reasons?
    And yet, for every YouTube censoring, there’s an ESPN watcher who gives up on the network (Breitbart is saying they lost half a million subscribers in April), and it is now routine for Hollywood studios to arrange to buy blocks of their own tickets.

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  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Rich
    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else. All the talk about high Ashkenazi IQ is based on "estimates". In the US, no test separates out groups based on religion. The only test available for Jews as a separate group is from Israel, it doesn't separate the Ashkenazi from the Sephardic, and the result is a 95 IQ.

    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else.

    Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. Prof. Richard Lynn, dean of all the IQists, wrote an entire book about Jewish ability, in which he included 32 separate tests of Jewish-American IQ he had managed to locate, of varied degrees of validity, whose fascinating historical pattern I discussed in one of my columns:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/#p_1_8

    Based on everything I’ve seen, I’d say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average. However, numerous other white sub-populations, mostly far greater in size, also have IQs well above the white average. So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish. Jews are certainly well above average, but not *that* much above average…

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    I spent a great deal of time looking into Mr Lynn's claims, and it turns out, at least from the research I did, he based Ashkenazi IQ on estimates. I'd be more than happy to argue the methodology of the test, which was my original thesis, that the Ashkenazi chosen for the test would be from upper to upper middle class, urban/suburban areas, where all White test takers would probably average around 110, but I couldn't find the test. You'd think such a test would be easy to find, I'd think it would be a symbol of pride for those who claim Ashkenazi background, but after spending way too much of my time looking, the only test I could find was the one from the Israeli Army, which didn't separate out Ashkenazi from Sephardic and gave 95 as the result.

    From my inability to locate a test, and for the data to be proven we'd need more than one test, I think that high Ashkenazi IQ is just another ethnic myth. If you find the test, I'd appreciate letting me know, because I've been making this argument about there being no actual test for some time, and to date, no one has produced one.
    , @Lot

    So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish.
     
    Depends on where the cut-off for "high IQ" is. Using your 110 Jewish mean and a 25-1 ratio, at the 160+ IQ level the breakdown will be 64.8% non-Jewish and 35.2% Jewish.

    At the 170 level it becomes 54.7% non-Jewish and 46.3% Jewish. And there are still hundreds of Americans at that 170+ level, and they likely are well represented in science Nobel winners and founders of large computer companies.
    , @Svigor

    Based on everything I’ve seen, I’d say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average. However, numerous other white sub-populations, mostly far greater in size, also have IQs well above the white average. So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish. Jews are certainly well above average, but not *that* much above average…
     
    Is that an American Ashkenazi mean, or an American diaspora Jews in general mean? Incidentally, 110 is the mean I used when I did my back-of-a-napkin calculations and came up with a worldwide (i.e., Israel included) Jewish mean of 107.
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  225. Interestingly, an equus named (((Mendelssohn))) is a contender and, in some quarters, a fav. in the Kentucky Derby to be run this weekend. By ancestry and sentiment, I’d prefer the horse named after Hofburg. Another, named Vino Rosso, reminds me of standing, sans shoes, on a cool-to-the-touch, Italian marble floor, looking down on Italian goings-on. With a real cig and some local red wine (from the cellar’s barriques… as an ami I thought “carboy” or something). But horses ain’t people.

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    Mendelssohn has Irish connections too. The dreaded double.

    I'm putting ten on My Boy Jack, for the name (very Ozzie, a famous ozzie novel of a similar title) and the juicy odds at 30-1.

    Interesting too that its name is based on the Kipling poem; Kipling being an iSteve sentimental favourite.
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  226. @Jack D
    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other "plugged in" elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage - these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn't even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren't in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is "get a good night's sleep and bring a #2 pencil." On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don't understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all - gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers - THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect - it's not just Jared Kushner, it's Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    You make some good points Jack and I agree with whichever commenter commended you for being willing to go back and forth with some of the folks here.

    However even if your explanations for the Jewish over-representation in the Ivy’s fully captures the reasons (and I don’t think they do) that doesn’t change the fact you can’t have it both ways (2nd person you, not first person). All the disparate impact nonsense that is now a guiding creed in our country rests on the assumption that reasons do not matter. All that matters is the numbers. Over-representation is, ipso facto, proof of racism, discrimination, women-hating, whatever badness.

    And unfortunately, it would seem that Jews are over-represented among those arguing that “disparate impact” is a legitimate way to measure discrimination.

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  227. Rich says:
    @Ron Unz

    After an exhaustive search, I have