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Now in Taki’s Magazine, my book review of Jonathan Weisman’s (((Semitism))):

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by Steve Sailer

LIT CRIT

May 02, 2018

Jonathan Weisman, a mid-level New York Times staffer and author of the short but repetitious new book (((Semitism))): Being Jewish in America in the Age of Trump, is not a particularly acute thinker. But his unoriginality makes his (((Semitism))) a revealing distillation of the conventional wisdom of 2018.

Weisman first ran into Jewish trouble in the summer of 2015 when, as a supporter of President Obama’s Iran deal (now back in the news), he coauthored a New York Times article noticing which kinds of Democrats in Congress were most likely to break ranks with Obama. According to a table Weisman had a graphic artist draw up, many of the Democrats opposing Obama on Iran were, unsurprisingly, Jewish, such as Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street), and many of the rest represented heavily Jewish districts, such as Ted Lieu (D-Beverly Hills).

For publishing this act of pattern recognition in a mainstream rather than an ethnic publication, Weisman was scorched by more powerful Jews than himself.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. DFH says:

    It’s ironic that recent attempts by people like Jordan Peterson and Nathan Cofnas to debunk the JQ have just led to better, more thorough and more data-driven demonstrations of it.

  2. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Great one Steve, what is to be done?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Gman
    , @Anonymous
  3. Twinkie says:

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived.

    Goodness. You are absolutely right about the arrogant lack of self-awareness. This passage sounds like something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (or at least a modern variation of it).

    • Agree: reiner Tor, Dissident
  4. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%? How many of Beverly Hills’ Jews are “Persian?”

    “But counting Jews is not acceptable.” Yeah, unless it’s Nobels for the purpose of strutting their supremacy. Or, if it’s Ivy enrollment for the purpose of noting that they’ve dropped below 7x of parity and that that’s proof of anti-Semitic discrimination, then that’s okay. “You’d better keep Jews above 25% or you’re a Nazi!”

    From The Myth of American Meritocracy:

    in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s, and far below the comparable figures for Harvard or Yale. This quickly resulted in four front-page stories in the Daily Princetonian, a major article in the New York Observer, and extensive national coverage in both the New York Times and the Chronicle of Higher Education.[108] These articles included denunciations of Princeton’s long historical legacy of anti-Semitism and quickly led to official apologies, followed by an immediate 30 percent rebound in Jewish numbers. During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent, reducing those numbers to far below parity, but this was met with media silence or even occasional congratulations on the further “multicultural” progress of America’s elite education system.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon
  5. szopen says:

    8 Jewish congress members and they still managed to pass the JUST, demanding the “restitution of heirless property” of Jews. Amazing.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  6. @Anon

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

  7. @Anon

    Beverly Hills is only 18.5% Jewish? I thought it was like 50%?

    Ted Lieu represents the whole coast of LA from Malibu to Palos Verdes.

    https://lieu.house.gov/about/our-district

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Lot
  8. theMann says:

    Have fun editing the comments on this one!

  9. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m basically proposing a deal

    You are not in position to propose anything. Just be happy that they let you collect money people are sending you.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  10. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected”

    What other class of organisms flourish when the cell wall of their hosts proves permeable?

    David Sloan Wilson might have something interesting to say here. Oh look he does. Here he’s interview by Razib Khan: https://archive.org/details/youtube-O1MC4Am2c_Y

    • Replies: @Thea
  11. @Steve Sailer

    Scotland and France are historically great pals because of their mutual loathing of the English inbetween. Jews (110 IQ) and Blacks (85 IQ) don’t overlap in their abilities, so they will always be pals, but enemies of the middle – the whites, who overlap both. I can’t see a political solution to this.

    • Replies: @Realist
  12. One reason is that in an era obsessed with rooting out “systemic racism” via white-counting, Jews tend to be numerically overrepresented in most of the better sorts of jobs (as the Weinstein #MeToo scandals have demonstrated).

    This is a truely grim way of handing out compliments – made me laugh!
    (Great article).

  13. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish power and influence is becoming a greater and greater topic of interests to the general public. Big money can be made addressing the topic openly and honestly, and big political power is going to be gained too by addressing the subject openly and honestly.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    , @donut
  14. Jake says:

    “America’s main problem today is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people…hatred of other white people.”

    Hatred of ‘other’ white people is the very basis of WASP culture. Hatred of other white people is the reason that Archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell made concrete the Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism in making alliance with Jews: Jews got to enter England legally opnce again, with special rights and privileges, and the WASPs got money to keep warring to destroy non-WASP white cultures.

  15. While endless clickbait articles are churned out on topics like #OscarsSoWhite theorizing that white overrepresentation in good jobs can only be explained by a vast racist conspiracy among white people, the similar overrepresentation of Jews relative to gentiles is simply not discussed in polite society. White Privilege is currently an American mania, but the analogous concept of Jewish Privilege barely exists.

    #HollywoodSoJewish

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    Translation: the Jew flourishes in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

  16. Jake says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That was never going to be accepted by either side. First, too many Jews harbor intense contempt for any group of whites they see as being even prone to embracing conservative Christian identities. That is the reason that well into the 1990s, two or three decades after Irish Catholics began the move to embrace a ‘cultural Catholic’ identity that was analogous to the essentially non-doctrinal, Country Clubbish identity of Episcopalians, Jewish Liberals were waving the bloody flag of the racist Irish cop beating up the poor Numinous Negro and the racist Scots-Irish Southerners actively plotting genocide of the Numinous Negro angels.

    Second, the WASP – and quadruply so the rich WASP – always looks to ally with Jews against the whites he/she/it/they/ze sees as inferior. That has been true back the beginning of what later came to labelled WASP.

  17. Zoodles says:

    “a defeated populace”

    Interesting that he sees us as enemies to be defeated. i wonder what my grandfathers who fought in the war would think of that.

  18. vinteuil says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Why would they take the deal? Why pay for what they’re already getting for free?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @pyrrhus
    , @Chase
  19. OT, but apparently an $8.5 bn settlement against Google for privacy breaches (selling people’s search history to third parties) will go to the lawyers, the lawyers old law schools, and four orgs that Google already gives money to. It’s now going to the Supreme Court after the CA 9th court of appeal allowed the dodgy deal.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/01/ted_frank_interview_supreme_court_cy_pres/

    “Despite the class-action lawsuit being brought on behalf of roughly 129 million folks in the US who Googled between 2006 and 2014, none of the money will actually go to them but will instead be split between the attorneys and organizations they have designated.

    It just so happens that, as part of a settlement, three of those seven “cy pres recipients” are the alma maters of the attorneys: cash-strapped Harvard University, Stanford University and the Chicago-Kent College of Law.

    The others named in the settlement are AARP Inc, Carnegie Mellon University, the MacArthur Foundation and the World Privacy Forum – all of whom are frequent recipients of Google’s corporate largesse.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. Isn’t it all this Jew stuff overhyped? ? I’ve come across this text: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jews-biggest-threat-on-campus-isnt-bds-its/

    Jewish students on campus (for the most part) simply don’t see the relations with their Jewishness or the connection to Israel as a priority in their lives.

    Time and time again I hear from the different Jewish Organizations leaders on campus the huge numbers of Jewish students on campus (at the big ones their several thousands of them), yet the show up rate for most events and engagements is most of the time less than 1%!

    This ambivalent approach by so many Jewish students on campuses who care solely about their grades and professional careers and have no connection to their identity and show no involvement in the Jewish life on campus, should be a red flag for anyone who believes in the importance of American jewery and its relations with Israel.

    Not denying that Jewish activists & plutocrats have a non-negligible grip on US policy, it seems that most “Jews” are basically deracinated. They simply don’t care about their separate identity, if they’ve succeeded to maintain it at all …

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Altai
  21. Dwright says:

    You can see why throughout history these people eventually over play their hand.
    “Defeated populace”. Among many other things this makes my blood boil.

  22. While endless clickbait articles are churned out on topics like #OscarsSoWhite theorizing that white overrepresentation in good jobs can only be explained by a vast racist conspiracy among white people, the similar overrepresentation of Jews relative to gentiles is simply not discussed in polite society. White Privilege is currently an American mania, but the analogous concept of Jewish Privilege barely exists.

    Isn’t this where NE Asians (and, to a lessor degree, South Asians) come in. Whites finally have a group that does better than them that they can openly point out. Despite what Jews think, the vast, vast majority of white Gentiles simply think of Jews as another white ethnic group, like Italians or Irish, so we either didn’t notice their success or didn’t care. As a result, when SJWs scream white privilege, it didn’t cross our minds to use Jewish success as a defense. (Of course, with Jews screaming at the top of their lungs that they aren’t “white,” this may change in the future. Be careful what you wish for, btw.)

    But NE Asians are a different story. The White privilege argument simply falls apart when confronted with Asian success. It’s why the media – in the words of Whiskey – hate, hate, hate to mentioned NE Asians and much prefer to keep the debate black and white.

    Granted, I don’t think that it much matters. The Gentile and Jewish leftists and the “Is it good for the Jews” Jews got what they wanted: Demographic transformation. Even if Gentile whites wake up to being duped, it’ll be too late. The best that Gentile whites can hope for in the future is carving out a place for themselves in a multi-everything society.

    We’re all Jews now; time to start acting like them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  23. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:

    What happens if you do a ctrl-F Farrakhan in that book which is supposedly about antisemitism in contemporary America?

  24. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead. In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be. Instead of “Jews” say “high IQ elites” – high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish – they are WASP and Asian too. And instead of blacks say “low IQ” and instead of “whites” say “middle IQ”. Modern America is based on a high-low coalition against the middle. The elites provide the intellectual leadership and the low provide the voting masses (in exchange for goodies) and they squeeze the middle to pay for it all.

    As you point out, blacks and Hispanics don’t really compete with Jews for the same jobs (except perhaps inside the Democrat Party hierarchy) so the deal that you are proposing is a non-starter. The calculus that the elites made in 2016 was that the high-low coalition was numerically strong enough to rule and they were ALMOST right. But 2016 might have been a last gasp as the demographics only continue to move in their direction.

  25. The Wiesenthal Center complains
    When a Jew Jewish power explains.
    Nazi-hunting’s a trade
    That must rapidly fade;
    Hunting Crimethinker Jew’s what remains.

  26. Ted F says:

    Weisman is an idiot, but Ruth Bader didn’t have any brothers. She was in the top 5% at Harvard Law (despite a dean who criticized the nine female law students for taking a seat away from men) when she followed her husband to New York, and then couldn’t get a job at a single New York law firm because she was a woman. Perhaps there exist Jewish feminists who are only acting out their intrafamily grievances, especially among the millennial generation, but RBG had some legitimate grievances with 1960s society.

  27. Rich says:

    Jews, or at least their leaders, appear to be very unaware. My job puts me in touch with many Hispanics and blacks, and they, unprompted, always express disdain for Jews. Always. Whites, for the most part, don’t seem to care, or comment on how smart and successful Jews are. It’s interesting that having invested so much of their goodwill in minorities, they don’t see how hated they are by the groups they promote. I was a kid when blacks rioted in Harlem, and I remember the riots in Crown Heights well, maybe the Jews aren’t as smart as everyone seems to think they are?

  28. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: The Baltimore Museum of Art is selling paintings by white artists to build up a “war chest” to buy art by under-represented minority artists:

    https://news.artnet.com/market/baltimore-museum-deaccession-1274996

    Interestingly, they’re only selling off 20th century works. i.e. – they’re selling off some modern non-art art by people like Warhol in order to replace it with presumably even more modern non-art art by POCs.

  29. @Jack D

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be

    This is an anti-White canard

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Jack D
  30. Likewise, many 21st-century American Jews nurture resentments of how an ancestor was turned down for membership at a ritzy country club for being an unrefined Jew from Eastern Europe, but have conveniently forgotten that great-grandpa wasn’t trying to join a WASP golf club, he was instead blackballed by a German Jewish golf club.

    It sounds like if people had just quit their obsession with hanging out on hundreds acres of sod chasing little white balls around all day, and learned how to play Ultimate Frisbee, many of these ethnic animosities could have been avoided. Plus, you golfers are getting ZERO cardio – I see no cardio. Show me the cardio!

    Ultimate Frisbee is soccer without the asinine rules that prohibit catching and throwing. Plus, after the game, instead of leaving the grass and going inside for alcohol, in Ultimate you head for the woods and bring your grass with you … per some friends of mine, that is.

    Imagine if Wham-O had started up 500 years earlier in old Scotland. Course, they’d have needed a material …

  31. Barnard says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Did they draw that district so there was no one living in it with a less than six figure income?

    I love this quote from his website on immigration:

    “I think it’s easy for people like you and me who wear suits and ties and work in offices to cast aspersions on those with a tenth-grade education . . . But let’s talk about some of these folks with a tenth-grade education . . . I have had the opportunity to meet over the years many farmworkers who have had families die under brutal conditions in the heat so that you or I can have less expensive orange juice, cheaper artichokes, or less expensive garlic . . . and I just want to suggest that these people have given far more to American society than you or I ever will.” – Congressman Ted W. Lieu

    Please, invite them to be your constituents in Malibu Ted.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alfa158
  32. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Jack D:

    You’re wrong. Jewish and Gentile elites are not equivalent and one shouldn’t “forget” the differences between them.

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  33. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D

    Weisman should have called his book My Struggle. Still I appreciate his honesty.

    Jews are massively overrepresented, after controlling for IQ. Old fashioned nepotism, and interest free loans.

  34. Stephen Miller is a somewhat honest Jew, and that is the best you can hope for.

    The JEWISH QUESTION must be taught in colleges and universities. Modernity is a mystery without explicitly recounting the interactions between Europeans and Jews. Some guy wrote a book about how Italian and Jewish bankers and traders created modern finance. Shakespeare wrote a play about it, Pacino was great in the play, also Pacino is good on Richard III. Pacino and DeNiro stole their whole acting style from the “Susquehanna Hat Company” bit from Abbott and Costello.

    The GOP is really going after the evangelical vote and the billionaire Jew loot when they go on and on about Israel and how there is no daylight between the interests of Israel and the interests of the American Empire in the Middle East. Jew billionaire Shelly Adelson has too much power over foreign policy and immigration policy in the GOP, Trumpy is the piper that Adelson pays. SAD!

    Also, all kidding aside, the oil producing states in the USA such as Alaska and Texas want the turmoil in the Middle East to keep the price of oil up. “Mowing the lawn” is the phrase the Israelis use to describe the maintenance of turmoil and stability in terms of their actions and interventions in surrounding nations. Neighborhood bully is a song that a Minnesota political theorist came up with.

    Preliminary comment, haven’t read Sailer’s article yet, random thoughts. Now I’ll read it.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  35. @Steve Sailer

    “…and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.”

    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?

  36. Jack D says:
    @27 year old

    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

  37. @Jack D

    It’s not true, Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece “The Myth of American Meritocracy” you can find here.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @Jake
    , @Lot
  38. Stick says:

    Steve, this is one of your best articles. Its really too bad that it cannot be discussed on Takimag.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  39. jonomd says:

    Why are you still posting over at Taki’s? Seems a waste of your talents.

  40. @Jack D

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Not true.

  41. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    They are over-represented if you adjust for IQ and ethnic nepotism. I don’t begrudge them the the advantage due to IQ. I do begrudge them the advantage due to ethnic favoritism.

  42. Tyrion 2 says:

    I don’t really get your argument that many of the main ideological developments of our age are merely feuds among Jews externalised to society at large.

    The strongest example is the feminist one, but I think that dynamic may have been common to many well-educated and high opportunity families.

    Obviously a lot of politics, especially sexual politics, comes from family dynamics.

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example. On the other hand, picking Jews out of the white pool and specifically calling them privileged is taboo. I imagine its not more taboo than picking Irish, Danish, Dutch, Italian or Greek Americans out though. Or even Episcopalians…

    What certainly is true is that the ephemeral ‘white privilege’ is used to justify the very real discrimination against white people as white people that all Western countries seem to have adopted. In most countries it is the law and I imagine no-one can find me a major corporation, NGO or institution that doesn’t openly boast of pursuing such discrimination. Again though, for the purposes of allowing discrimination, Jews are one hundred percent included with white people, you just can’t pick them out further.

    Now, men are picked out from white people for further discrimination, so clearly intersectionality has no issue with making grades of unpersoning. Indeed, that is its whole purpose. They could make Jews an extra collectively guilty subset of white people but it seems SJW types aren’t quite willing to do this yet. The nice but dim ones would not feel comfortable suddenly sounding quite so much like Adolf Hitler. The nasty but dim ones are skirting the edges while the nasty but smart ones see that there aren’t very many Jews so what’s the point.

    As Adolf Hitler said : “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    Nice people really don’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about the Jews.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

  43. The WASP/ Jew ruling class of the American Empire wants war with Iran and Russia.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is using the US military as muscle to do the bidding of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    The United States is a fool to do Israel’s dirty work.

    • Agree: Z-man
  44. Gman says:
    @Anon

    I think the solution for starters is to break down the black / Jewish alliance

    Examples
    *promote Farrakhan
    *show how ridiculous Mark Zuckerberg’s embrace of BLM is
    *emphasize Jews were slaveholders too

  45. Jack D says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Our society has made a deal (and I think it’s the right choice) that it’s not OK to be openly racist. But for some reason that deal doesn’t apply to being openly racist against white people. I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

  46. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    If this is your idea of witty repartee then I rest my case.

    I thought it was hilarious.

  47. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    Instead of “Jews” say “high IQ elites” – high IQ elites are disproportionately Jewish but not just Jewish – they are WASP and Asian too.

    That’s true but beside the point. It isn’t the elites per se that matter. It’s the elites who are hostile to the historical white American population. After all, it wasn’t just any random elite who gave the Sierra Club $100 million to change their anti-immigration stand. It was David Gelbaum. It isn’t just any elite spending $10 million on an Impeach Trump campaign. It’s Tom Steyer.

    You could have hundreds of similar examples, and likewise from Asian elites. Sure, there are WASP elites who are just as hostile to core America — Hillary Clinton to name one prime example. But among the elites as a group, there are far more hostile, anti-white Jews than Gentiles, with Asians rapidly closing the gap.

  48. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    I think the solution is not that it should be OK to be openly racist against Jews but that being openly racist against whites should join the taboo list along with every other group.

    Why can’t we simply tell the truth without fear of blowback?

  49. Pat Boyle says:

    I always think of Jewishness as a hope for the future.

    When I look at my little piebald dog who wags his tail and licks my hand and appears to be nothing at all like a wolf, I am overwhelmed with the power of unnatural selection. Why can’t we simply do something similar with our own species? Yes I know that that would constitute eugenics and eugenics is wrong (although I can’t quite remember why).

    Then I remember the Jews. As Cochran pointed out, Jews are smarter now but haven’t been for very long. Vegetius classified the peoples around the Mediterranean by their smarts and never mentioned the Jews. Two thousand years ago Jews were a significant population. But in those two millennia Jews almost disappeared but got bred for high intelligence. What would race relations be like in America if blacks were a standard deviation smarter than the base white Europeans rather than a standard deviation dumber?

    Europeans probably have a 30,000 year advantage on sub-Saharan blacks but we could maybe erase that gap in only a couple hundred years with selective breeding. Of course in a couple hundred years other factors will come into play. By then if there are still people they will probably have the option to be a robot and choose their strength, intelligence and other attributes. I doubt that organic humans will ever live on Mars but inorganic humans might find it salubrious.

    I see all these possibilities when I think of the Jews – the human breeding experiment. I also think of Ricardo Montalban playing Khan on Star Trek. Khan and his people were a genetic experiment of earthlings trying to develop a better, smarter human. What was the result? Khan and his kind were hated and feared – ultimately being destroyed by the normals. That’s a pretty good model for twentieth and twenty first century anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Percy Gryce
    , @Joe862
  50. @Simon in London

    Not true! It’s just that high-IQ non-Jews aren’t as interested as jews in high-paying, high-prestige jobs in important fields like finance or media. For example, who wants to work in Hollywood producing movies and banging starlets? Leave that up to your Brett Rattners (super-high IQ) of the world. This explains the disparity even accounting for a much higher number of high-IQ non-jews. Thomas Sowell explains it all. It’s lack of interest!

  51. Elsewhere says:

    That this book (((Semitism))) is mostly an un-self-aware self-congratulation of the fulfillment of anti-Semitic canards got me thinking…

    We could start use “Semite” to mean a Jew behaving badly. In parallel to the old Chris Rock routine, we could say,

    I love Jews, but I hate Semites.

  52. Marcus D. says:

    Uh, no. The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

    The first great Jewish name that comes to my mind is Heinrich Heine (1797-1856).

    But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%. The mongrels that these marriages make don’t care a lot about Jewish people or Israel. Another question is that inevitably eugenics will return. Then, everybody will be smart like Jews. So, they will not have much power in a more competitive world.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  53. bomag says:
    @Tyrion 2

    As for Jewish privilege, it is a complicated area. Jews clearly count as white for the purpose of white privilege. #Oscarssowhite certainly did not discount Jews, for example.

    There is overlap, but, as pointed out here, there is a “flight from white” by Hispanics, Middle Easterners, Jews, etc. that has, so far, been pretty lucrative.

  54. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    A simple analysis:

    First, look at the numbers of whites, assume 98 average and 15 SD. Turn the crank find the number who should score high. Say,130 or greater.

    Second, look at the number of ((persons)), use 105 or even 110 as the avg, assume 15 SD, and turn the crank to find the number who shall score 130 or greater.

    Third, look at ((persons)), se avg 110, who shall score 130 or greater.

    Hey, wait..I’ll do it for you. Need a “z table”

    Case one. 300 mil x 70%. 210 mil whites. 130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13 SDs. z= 0.9871
    210E6 x (1-.9871) = 2.17 mil
    Case two. 300E6 x 3%= 9E6. 130-105=25. 25/15=1.67SD z= 0.9525
    9E6 x (1-.9525)= 427, 500
    Case three 130 – 110 = 22, 20/15= 1.33SD, z = 0.9082
    9E6 x (1-0.9082) = 826, 200

    One of the big things to notice here is that among whites, roughly 2 of 100 make it to 130-land.

    Among ((persons)), roughly one of 21 (for the 105 example) and one out of 11 (for the 110 example) make it to 130-land.

    I would suspect the networking works better in high concentrations and in cohesive groups.

    We are not out-smarted, rather, we are out maneuvered.

    Hmmmm…….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. Sid says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Singling out Jews will get you in trouble.

    With other white ethnicities, however, it’s more ambiguous. I think you can’t really single out “ethnic whites” or Ellis Islanders (Irish and Italians,
    but also Greeks and the like). It won’t get you in as much trouble as attacking blacks or singling out Jews will, but it rubs people the wrong way.

    I think it’s considered fair game, however, to make derisive remarks about English and German-Americans, and it’s also acceptable to snipe at related ethnicities like the the Scottish and Scandinavians. Hence, you will hear remarks about WASPs and Nazi jokes all the time.

    Even there, you will hear SJWs make remarks like “We need less white dudes,” but not things like, “We need fewer Englishmen/Germans.”

  56. Jake says:
    @Pat Boyle

    Wow – this is approved, but noticing what WASP culture has always been, based on the beliefs that created it, is close to verboten. Jews aren’t the only animals more equal than other animals.

    Carthago delenda est was true every time Cato expressed it.

  57. Jake1 says:
    @Jack D

    IQ plays a huge role but so does geography (Jews are more over represented than IQ alone would predict). Roughly 2/3rds of US Jews live in the Bos-Wash, Chicago, LA, and SF metro areas. 30% live in the NYC metro area by itself. US Jews are a high IQ group (110ish) that culturally values economic/academic success, and they overwhelming reside in premier metro areas where paths toward that success are both highly visible and more numerous. Those two factors lead to the over representation that exists.

    By contrast only roughly 16% of US non Hispanic whites live in those metros. The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  58. bomag says:
    @Jack D

    if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be

    Somewhat, but there is still an over representation. Those who can play ethnic and racial favoritism move ahead of those who are being punished for alleged group misbehavior.

  59. roo_ster says:
    @Jack D

    JackD:

    Not so much.

    Euro-descent White IQ in the USA is ~103 and Ashkenazi Jew is ~106.

    IQ is not the reason for Jewish over-representation in elite occupations & suchlike.

  60. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Aaargh. Case three. 22/15=1.47SD, z=0.9292. Number >130 637 200, Proportion: 1 in 14

  61. Jake says:
    @Simon in London

    That is true for two reasons. First, Jews network to take care of other Jews all the time. To take an example that is a long way from big money but is essential to the future, Jews in academia always act to increase the number of Jewish faculty members and administrators, invariably with endless talk of anti-Semtism. Second, white Gentiles almost never network to get more of their group, or white Gentiles in general, on campus.

    Put the tw0 together while race-based Affirmative Action rages, and you guarantee that Jews become grossly over-represented while white Gentiles lose almost all standing.

  62. Lot says:
    @Simon in London

    Unz makes large numbers of basic factual errors in that article.

    Kind of like his multiple attempts to show hispanics don’t have a higher crime rate than whites.

    In both cases you get an overwhelming sense he started with his conclusion and looked for any possible justification for it and ignoring any possible contrary evidence.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @res
  63. Moses says:

    Das ist verboten to enumerate or identify Jews. Counting Whites is ok. But Jews, no.

    Everyone knows this.

  64. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Vinteuil
  65. OT:

    A view from the Great White North–White Supremacy implicated in Asian racism against Blacks. No, this is no parody. This is from “Canada’s National Newspaper.”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-eating-while-black-in-a-chinese-restaurant-a-grim-lesson-in-racist/

    I don’t know which is worse–the logic or the flouting of history.

  66. @Jack D

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Ron Unz – and, more importantly, his data – say that you’re wrong.

    Heck, a quick back of the envelope check shows that Jews are way over-represented if you look at IQ alone. Let’s just use white Gentiles and Ashkenazi Jews to not muddy the waters with blacks and Hispanics who won’t have much impact anyway. The U.S. is ~70% whites (Jew and Gentile), so let’s start with a population that is 97% white (68/70) and 3% Jewish (2/70).

    We’ll give white Gentiles an average IQ of 100 with a SD of 15. I’ll be generous and give Jews an average IQ of 112 and an SD of 15. (I think that it might be a tad lower, and then there’s the whole spatial vs. verbal aspect, but we’ll leave that off the table for now.)

    Let’s also assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful. (For my own sake, I hope – and believe – that you can get by with ~125, but we’ll use 130, which is an advantage for Jews.)

    Even under these Jew-friendly assumptions, white Gentiles would still be ~87% of the “successful” people in that society vs. 13% Jewish. Even if you move the threshold up to 140, Jews still only come in ~20% of the successful people.

    Something else is going on here. IQ alone doesn’t explain the extreme numbers of Jews in the media, academia, richest people and students at top universities. Personally, I think that some of it is explained by Jewish culture. Another genetic aspect might be that Jews seem to be particularly aggressive intellectually and competitive in general. In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don’t. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.

    Regardless, IQ alone can’t explain Jewish success.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @Moses
    , @Anon
  67. Abe says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    The borders were still blurred. Nationalism and chauvinism were in check. Undocumented immigrants marched in the streets of Washington and Los Angeles demanding rights. The polyglot nation recovered…. The Jew thrived

    Last week Guillermo del Toro concern-tweeted about the gruesome discovery of 3 bodies in Mexico- gang members who were kidnapped, tortured, executed, and then had their remains dissolved in acid by a rival gang. Oh wait- they weren’t drug gang members, they were students MISTAKEN for drug gang members! But, hey, such previously-unheard-of inconveniences are soon to become the NEW NORMAL in our beautiful, borderless, polyglot nation. Guillermo Del Toro and Jonathan Weismann send their condolences from Beverley Hills and Manhattan (respectively)

  68. res says:
    @Lot

    I notice you specifically did not comment on the accuracy of the original point:

    Jews are heavily over represented in the US elites even allowing for somewhat higher median IQ. Ron Unz did a piece “The Myth of American Meritocracy” you can find here.

    Whether or not Ron made some assumptions favorable to his thesis (I tend to think he was about as fair minded as anyone is on that topic) I think his numbers support the conclusion that in some areas Jews are overrepresented relative to gentile whites even after correcting for IQ differences.

    Do you disagree? If so, why? And don’t just slough it off with “factual errors” when even if you adjust e.g. his counts of Jews in elite colleges I think his overall conclusion stands.

    P.S. The global “an error exists, somewhere” criticism followed by a redirection and an accusation of bias might be an effective technique, but I certainly don’t consider it honest. Not a good look. And all too typical.

    • Replies: @Lot
  69. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    An interesting idea. So have you been trying to promote the necessary intracommunal good feelings among white Americans for this to work?

    • Replies: @Benjaminl
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
  70. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    50% is a much better estimate. It appears that every single member of the city council is Jewish.

  71. res says:
    @Lot

    The white people exception to racism being taboo is a new thing however. You certainly saw explicitly anti white black activists drummed out of mainstream discourse only 20 years ago, eg Louis Farrakhan and Sister Soulja.

    Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs, though by this point the driving force are online mobs on twitter, and the victim are disproportionately Jewish too.

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. One question though, do you think the disproportionateness of Jewish victims is true relative to their proportion of the US population, their proportion of the attacked populations (e.g. Hollywood MeToo), or both?

    The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    I enjoyed this part. An accurate and concise observation.

    I have been watching the trend the whole time, it began in the humanities departments of universities, spread to the rest of the non science departments, then the whole university and all the various places that are 75% or more Democrats like the media, local and fed government, journalism and publishing. And now the New Stalinism is everywhere, even well run corporations like Google.

    • Replies: @Lot
  72. @Jack D

    Your solution doesn’t work long-term. Immigration makes it untenable. If “racism” – God do I hate that nebulous word – isn’t allowed, how do you regulate your borders? What right do you have to even have a border? Aren’t borders racist?

    Even if you argue for controlled immigration and this immigration be based on skills, this would would favor some races over others. Isn’t that racism? Judging an individual by their merits sounds nice, but it will eventually lead to some races being promoted over others. And people will notice. How do you get around the fact that nature is racist because I don’t think that this explanation will fly with the SJW crowd.

    Also, what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?

    And, of course, the whole idea of treating people as individuals is a very short-sided view of the world once you bring regression to the mean into the conversation. That Rottweiler might be a gentle soul, but his kids won’t be.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  73. Lot says:
    @res

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    I don’t have the time to recount from the start again the problems with Unz’s article, and I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”. But my comment history has some examples in detail, and there are others even more extensive out there. Here is one:

    http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mertz-on-Unz-Meritocracy-Article.pdf

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @res
  74. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  75. @Steve Sailer

    Ultimately because the coalition of the fringes they have assembled is untenable and will turn on them. Steve has pointed out how casual anti-Semitism has become prevalent in UC student government, something that would have beem unimaginable 15-20 years. These campuses have more Jews than your typical universities but it has made no difference whatsoever. This a preview of the coming attractions if Jews continue along this path.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
  76. songbird says:

    “Age of Trump” is such an interesting psychological phrase, which one hears repeated in certain quarters. Obviously, the press, the establishment, and Congress are against him. Add that to the other normal checks and balances, and the phrase sounds incredibly paranoid and downright delusional.

    Just as the Left seems to galvanize around cults of personality, to be all powerful tools of change, it seems to have an overpowering, instinctual drive to smash anyone who could even potentially lead the opposition.

  77. @Steve Sailer

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    Don’t like to contradict our astute and generous host, but this doesn’t come close to cutting it.

    What we American whites need from the Jews is
    a) a “thank you” — an appreciation that America has been very, very, very, very good to Jews (really ridiculously accommodating).
    b) a promise to stop screwing it up. Stop the anti-white nonsense. Stop importing people and close the border. Look to preserve the white-Euro (Western civilizational) roots and culture of the nation which in fact have enabled Jews to do so well here.
    c) an apology for all the damage they’ve already done. Ok, i know c) isn’t going to happen, but it would be a nice way to demonstrate sincerity.

    And in return, we whites would continue to accept Jews as partners in this enterprise meriocratically, in which case they would do well.

    This sort of deal could only come with some realism on the part of Jews that they’ve done very very well in America, not because they are such geniuses or terrific contributors to American prosperity, but because they are doing their looting–or, if you like “trading and rent-seeking”–on top of a huge white-gentile, ergo prosperous, nation. Note, it’s not like Jews can’t create a prosperous nation themselves. They have high IQs (skewing verbal) and have done just this–with reasonable success–in Israel. But neither Jews nor Israel have numbers to actually create the wealth Jews have in America. (Proof by revealed choice. Despite “anti-Semitism!” … Jews do not make Aliyah.) Jews are very well-to-do in America, because they are at the commanding heights of a big rich white-gentile nation. A nation which they have then chosen to tear down!–and make unpleasant for precisely the white-gentiles who’ve built it and provided such a lucrative opportunity for the Jews. (Gratitude is apparently not a Jewish virtue–at least gratitude to non-Jews.)

    That’s the sort of deal that’s–probably for a generation or so–potentially on the table. Jews can admit, “hey yeah we’ve been treated very well in America and done very well on top of a big rich white-gentile nation … let’s have the intelligence and honesty to admit that and not screw it up!”

    But the window for Jews coming to their senses–before demographics or white people coming to their senses makes it moot–is slowly closing. In the coming multi-culti future the Jews themselves have pushed for, this deal will not be available.

    • Agree: Mis(ter)Anthrope
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Thea
    , @3g4me
  78. szopen says:
    @Jack D

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107 (R.Lynn come with 110). That means, very roughly (number now will be mine, not VD’s, so any error you will spot is mine too): let’s took the most favourable numbers for Jews and lets say 215 million non-Jewish whites in USA (223-7) * 0.0013 (percentage above 145 with SD=15 and mean-100) = 279.500.

    Now with Jewish IQ=110 (the one proposed by Lynn; 107 might be more realistic, but I am taking most favourable for Jews position) and 7 milions Ashkenazis (some of which might be only partially Jewish): 78400.

    So you would expect at most 22% of Jews in position requiring IQ 145 and higher. I am of impression that the overrepresentation is higher.

    The calculations above do not take into an account that American Jews might be already part-gentile and their number might be lower.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Lot
    , @utu
  79. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Yes, I agree that Jews are overrepresented among most catagories of American elites, even adjusting for IQ.

    In addition to IQ there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry, which has a higher profile than the donut business. Jews are also concentrated in large coastal cities which set the tone for the overall culture and are interested in sending their kids to high profile national universities. There are a lot of high IQ Midwesterners who are perfectly happy attending their flagship state university and then going back home to run their family farm/business/the local bank/ local law firm, etc. and Jews are UNDER represented in those places. Likewise, Jews are underrepresented in certain other businesses – in America they were mostly absent from aerospace/auto manufacturing and other heavy industry (but they were present in light manufacturing – e.g. the garment business). Possibly because these industries were centered in places that the Jews weren’t.

  80. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters). There are a bunch of loudmouth kvetchers with daddy issues who confuse “America” with their fathers (and since they hate their fathers they hate America too) who get a disproportionate amount of attention. People with “daddy issues” are not grateful for what their parents have done for them. In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction – the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

    • Replies: @res
    , @AnotherDad
  81. Issac says:
    @Jack D

    The diaspora has no interest in helping whites argue their own circumstantial reasons for being over represented, why would they extend such a courtesy in turn?

  82. Benjaminl says:
    @Lot

    I think our host deserves a lot of credit for the extremely civil and genteel nature of this blog and its comments section.

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling “jokes” about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)

    Where else can you find this kind of rational give-and-take?

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
  83. Zogby says:

    It’s fortunate that only the political left is mired knee deep in identity politics, and the political right would never countenance such a thing.

  84. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

    • Agree: Svigor
    • Replies: @res
    , @Brutusale
  85. Educated, affluent Jews were the intellectual shock troops of the Enlightenment.

    The historian Jonathan Israel has written a series of books arguing that the radical branch of the Enlightenment, associated with the Baron d’Holbach, Denis Diderot and their fellow philosophes in mid 18th Century Paris, derived many of their writings of the Sephardic Jew Spinoza.

    Spinoza was largely self-educated, especially in Gentile learning after his Jewish community excommunicated him for heresy; but he was dirt poor.

  86. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    So, why were Jews fleeing from the Nazis? Nazis broke down borders all across Europe. They could access France and the vast fields for Russia for several yrs. Hmmm, funny that open borders under Nazism were bad for Jews back then. Open Borders meant Open Season on Jews.

    When Nazis were on the rise, it seems Jews were seeking sanctuary in nations with working borders against Germany.

    Anyway, Weissman is to be thanked for letting the cat, or weasel, out of the bag.
    He made it so plain as day what it’s all about.

  87. res says:
    @Lot

    Thanks for your thoughtful and civil reply.

    I disagree that “his basic conclusion stands”.

    My statement was far too vague. There were many conclusions in Unz’s article. I’ll try to be more specific in my later reply.

    If you would like to respond to the points in that article, I will respond further.

    I downloaded this and started reading it. It looks good so far, but will require some thought and cross checking to reply in detail.

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Lot
  88. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Ironically, the worst thing for Jews would be for white gentiles to listen to the advice of Jews.

    Whites should just forgo their white identity and join with rest of humanity and fight against privilege and hierarchy? OKAY. The main targets will be Jews. Look at UK. Labour whites have given up white identity and joined with POC against the Power. And Jews are freaking out because they got so much of it.

  89. njguy73 says:
    @Jack D

    The key to understanding modern America is to forget about race and religion and look at IQ instead.

    Charles Murray said that in 1994 and it almost killed his career.

  90. res says:
    @Jack D

    I agree with your assessment. What frustrates (and sometimes infuriates) me is that we as a nation are simultaneously unable to have an honest conversation about this while undergoing a barrage of disparate impact and other anti-white rhetoric from all of: our mass media, our leaders, and most of our so called “elites.”

    It can be hard to separate out simple network effects from less benign things like nepotism and ethnic prejudice. I think it is worth noting (but am curious if you see this differently) that Jewish Americans tend to do very well in (e.g. are overrepresented) exactly the things they want to do well in, while I think the same statement is less applicable to other white Americans. Elite college admissions is perhaps the clearest example of this.

    I think the best metric for assessing overrepresentation would include all of the following, but that is unfortunately probably not achievable.
    - Proportion of group in the US population.
    - Proportion of group that is qualified to do X.
    - Proportion of group (not sure which slice is most important: all vs. qualified) that would like to do X.
    - Proportions of each group given an honest chance to do X (e.g. appropriate training or career path start for X).
    - Proportions of each group which successfully do X.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  91. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected…. Again, we see, national borders and walls, wherever they rise, tend to trap Jews, not liberate them.

    Imperialists flourish with open borders because they get to invade and ‘include’. China certainly includes Tibet, like Japan once included Manchuria and Taiwan.

    Nationalists protect and exclude.
    Imperialists invade and include.

    Anti-Imperialists flourish with secure borders because they can stop invasion and forcible inclusion by the world order. Palestine as a nation would still exist if Arabs had had the means to secure their borders and stop Zionist invasion that came to include Palestine as part of Jewish Empire. Jewish immigration eventually turned into Nakba Pogroms, of which 2018 is the 70th anniversary(but we hear nothing from the Jewish-dominant media), that wiped Palestine off the map.

    Jews were not always for open borders. Many Jews had hoped to remain in one city and put down roots. But they were expelled to OTHER PLACES because of ethnic conflict. And in the case of Old Jerusalem, the Open Borders and Open Invasion Policy sure didn’t do much for the Jewish kingdom-state… that was wiped off the map just like Palestine was wiped off the map in the 20th century. For much of history, Jewish movement was about free trade and opportunity but expulsion and exile.

    Eventually, Jews came to appreciate Open Borders because they piggybacked on Western Imperialism. Under protection and reach of British Imperialism, Jews plied the opium trade in China that was forced open, invaded, and carved up China along the coasts. Because Jewish power became so synonymous with Western Imperialism and now American Global hegemony, Jews seek to weaken every gentile nation to gain influence over them. When Russia was opened up to US hegemony in the 90s, it was a grand opportunity for globalist Jews to gain control of policy and totally loot the place.
    Also, Iraqi, Libyan, and Syrian borders were destabilized so that Jewish-controlled Foreign Policy could invade and destroy them for the interests of Israel. But these Jews who now call for the destruction of Iranian borders as well are always telling us that we must support and protect the ethnic integrity of Israel. I smell a weasel.

    Imperialists and hegemonists want Open Borders. For Jews, this means financial, military, and cultural domination of all the world through Wall Street, Hollywood, Harvard, and Pentagon. And these Jews made a pact with Third World Demographic Imperialists who seek to invade white lands and leech off white wealth. Invade-Invite policy has adherents among Third Worlders. The ‘gold star dad’ of Hillary’s campaign. “You can threaten or invade my country militarily as long as you allow us to demographically invade your country.” Fareed Zakaria and Amy Chua are big adherents of this. Bomb Syria! And Let them in.

  92. @Unladen Swallow

    Jews seem to always overplay their hand with the host population. I think it is pure arrogance. You’d think they would learn, but hubris seems to be too deeply embedded in their DNA.

    When the chickens come home to roost in this country, as they have so many times in other countries, it could get ugly. And ironically, it won’t be the hated white rednecks exacting vengeance. It will be the black and brown people they currently consider their human pets.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @Anon
  93. Jack D says:
    @szopen

    I think 22% roughly lines up with the reality – % of American Nobel Prize winners, Fields medals, billionaires, chess champions, etc. Some of these things seem pretty indisputably based on merit and can’t be explained by ethnic nepotism.

    In some of these cases (e.g. Bobby Fischer) the subjects were raised completely outside the Jewish community and yet their Ashkenazi genius asserted itself. Fischer’s real father was apparently Paul Nemenyi, who was a member of the group of Hungarian Jewish geniuses sometimes called “the Martians” because their brilliance seemed unearthly. Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @anon
  94. Svigor says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    It’s a shitty deal, because right now if you grab any schlub he’ll gladly regurgitate the narrative about “White Privilege” and “White overrepresentation,” but he’s very unlikely to give you anything about Jewish Privilege or Jewish overrepresentation.

    And that goes both ways; Jews have been pummeling us forever and we’ve yet to throw a punch in return, so what’s in it for them?

    I’d rather keep harping on Jewish privilege and overrepresentation until they’re household memes. In fact that’s what I’m gonna do, regardless of any deals Jews make.

  95. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The first person to claim Jews have the highest IQ was…a Jew! Richard Hernstein made that claim for years and no one would listen, until he wrote The Bell Curve, but he had to reel in a fame seeking gentile like Charles Murray to legitimize his claim. All the IQ “experts” who came after were either Jewish or simply parroted Hernstein because they know they need to suck up to the Jews to get their book published.

    Is Jewish success a result of “high IQ”, or of cunning, ruthlessness and clannishness? Dishonest people always make honest people look stupid by comparison, that’s the kind of “high IQ” Jews like to boast about. A handful of extra cunning and ruthless Jews make it into a field, be it finance, media, Hollywood, academia, law, IT or politics, and they only hire and promote other Jews, with an occasional token black or Indian thrown in to satisfy the diversity hounds.

    Cunning and clannishness help them dominate an industry, then they point to their dominance in industry as evidence of their “high IQ”. They also make a point of citing one another’s work to make other Jews look prominent, more clannishness. The term “expert” is what Jews in the media call Jews in academia, or politics. Few if any non-Jew, especially if they are conservative (unless a Jewish neocon) are ever called an “expert” of anything. It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @FrankT
  96. Lot says:
    @Benjaminl

    The problem I see isn’t the tone or comment moderation, no complaints there. The bigger issues I see are the posts that fall into these categories: (1) obnoxious Jew of the month posts (2) Jews are hypocrites on Israel v. USA borders posts (3) the “let me turn around some Jew’s anti-white logic on Jews” post.

    What are the effect of them on readers? Is “you are a hypocrite” ever an effective argument at changing people’s minds on things? I can’t think of any example. I think they are common more because they are satisfying to make.

    The clear trend, which is now probably more than half-way complete, is for American Jews to either fall into the highly religious/low-influence/high-fertility/GOP voting counterculture or else assimilate into the generic white melting pot.

    Seriously, pick ten random non-ultra-orthodox Jewish people born in the 1930s-1940s. For them to have replacement level Jewish fertility, they’d need to have 40 all-Jewish grandchildren. The actual number is likely to be well under one half that amount. In other words, the number of purely Ashkenazi Americans who are not ultra-orthodox seems to be decreasing by well over 50% per generation, slowed only by the one-time event of mass USSR/exUSSR immigration from about 1975-1995.

    The problem of Jewish leftism is thus on track to resolve itself by the rapid disappearance of its ethnic base. This good process will be retarded, however, by attempts to critique Jews as a group, by defaming the Jewish ancestors of mixed-Jewish Americans, and other methods of encouraging Jews to be less like this guy http://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/38/kleefisch/about-joel/ and more like Matthew Wiener.

  97. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    No, Jews swarm certain industries that involve opinion-making and influence-peddling, it’s an ethnic thing for them.

    • Replies: @Realist
  98. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Your case was shit. Jews have a gift for repeating the same horseshit ad naseam; at some point it behooves to give it the respect it deserves and move on.

  99. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Hungarian Jews, were, for some reason, la creme de la creme of the Ashkenazi Jews so some of them were crazy smart (not to mention crazy).

    There is a simple explanation: the smarter Jews in the various backwaters of the Pale migrated West for the better opportunities in the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires (as well as to the USA/UK/France/Canada)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @res
  100. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews as a group to verify this higher IQ claim.

    Using achievement in academia and industries does not count because dishonesty and clannishness can help a group succeed disproportionately, first in getting into elite universities, then in helping each other dominate industries.

  101. @Pat Boyle

    So the moral is to shoot the Jews into space?

  102. res says:
    @Jack D

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    I basically agree with that, but find your “true colors” wording disturbingly similar to “looting” in rhetorical effect.

    I think AnotherDad did (and does repeatedly on iSteve, as do you) a good job of expressing a fairly justifiable position (if one that is unlikely to ever happen). My sense is he is vulnerable (as am I and IMHO most others here) to sometimes letting his emotion seep into these extremely personal and controversial topics.

    I think many American Jews already adhere to the bargain you are proposing. I do, for the most part (not the part about the looters).

    And I, for one, thank you for that. I also admire your willingness to argue your points in a sometimes hostile venue. There is a spectrum of this “adherence” and while I agree with you that the extremists are a minority, I am less sure those as reasonable as you are a majority. Though I think you are probably better placed to make that judgment.

    In fact, they have the exact opposite reaction – the more you do for them, the more they hate you for exposing their weakness and dependency. This is not exclusive to Jews (but it is especially found among the prosperous and Jews are disproportionately prosperous).

    That is perhaps the most viscerally infuriating aspect of this.

    I agree that it is disproportionate among the prosperous, but it is my sense that even after correcting for that it is disproportionate among Jews. Not sure about the relative disproportionateness though. Making assessments like this is difficult because we all encounter differently representative groups of people.

    • Agree: Dissident
  103. @Jack D

    Fair enough, up to a point. But I think when you call what the Jews do “looting” you show your true colors.

    You can come up with another term if you like.

    But it is true, that there are essentially extractive activities that are available in a capitalist economy that can be quite lucrative despite not actually being productive.

    What do i actually want?–in economic terms, i’ll skip issues like family, tradition, culture, nation. Food in the local grocery store–including my Diet Dew and cold beer. Heat to come on–i.e. natural gas in the line–when it’s cold. AC–i.e. power in the line–during the hot/humid days in Florida. A few new shirts and pants each year. Cars–mine are old, but new ones must be continually made. Gas for the car. Roads in decent repair. Air travel–planes and gas. The internet running. iSteve.

    No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers, bureaucrats, sociology professors or the lobbyists on K-street. But they exist. They have some sort of role in regulated capitalist order that we have, despite no one wanting what they produce. These are occupations that Jews take to and make a good, or very very very good living at. These occupations no doubt exist in Israel too–though i’d bet they are reigned in there–with more “we’re in this together national feeling”–to be less abusive and extractive. But one simply can’t make as much say shaking down some company with a “shareholder” lawsuit or imposing a tobacco tax via lawsuit with a chunk of the proceeds rerouted into your pocket amongst a small population in a place like Israel, versus a big rich sprawling gentile nation.

    Again–i’ve made this clear time and again–this isn’t to say Jews can’t or don’t make valuable contributions. But most of their wealth and success in America isn’t because they are out there farming or making widgets or fixing cars or doing heart surgery (something Jews certainly do) or inventing say new battery technology–i.e. producing and inventing to make life better. Rather it’s because their high verbal IQs and networking make them very adept at the sort of extractive activities and just crank turning that exist and can be very lucrative or just comfy sinecures in a big rich nation.

    I actually like places like Israel–absent having an occupied 2nd class population and using some of them as labor–because the Jews there actually do do everything–farming, mechanics, doctoring, widget making … as well as the paper pushing extractive stuff that lives on top of it. The Jews there are, i think, a better, more fully rounded and realistic people than the Jews here. Doing the productive labor to produce what other people actually want to consume, rather than just living off the proceeds of other folks productive labor is a better, more honest way to live.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Jack D
    , @hyperbola
    , @Vinteuil
  104. Lot says:
    @szopen

    Recently VD took that notion apart. He noted that actually in more recent studies Jews come with IQ 107

    Who is VD? Link?

    The 107 number is pretty absurd, only a tad better than NE Asians. The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115. I doubt the number is different, though “unmixed Ashkenazi” have gone from about 4% of the US white population to under 2%, and also a decreasing share of Jews in Israel, so the significance of the question is disappearing for anything other than historical debate.

  105. res says:
    @Anonymous

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

    This is an important point (and concise enough to bear repeating). The obvious response is that voting is the proper response there. Would the ability to have a reasonable national (and local) conversation about things like this followed by voting be enough?

  106. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    What are Jews known for:

    Television
    Film
    Music
    Entertainment
    Publishing
    Academia
    Opinionating

    Law

    Finance

    The things in the first group are not “just happened to be” things, they are Jewish ethnic endeavors, all in (at least partly) the opinion-manufacturing biz. Law is sort of a bridge category but there’s a lot of opinion-making power in law.

    There are super-smart people in, e.g., software and the oil biz but Jews aren’t nearly as dominant. Big names like Zuckerface spring to mind, but guess what he’s in the opinion-manufacturing social media biz.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Old Jew
  107. Jack D says:
    @res

    When it comes to elite college admissions, Jews (and not just Jews but other “plugged in” elites) have an advantage. As I mentioned earlier, many otherwise qualified non-elite whites are just not interested in playing the game to begin with. They will attend their flagship state U, get a fine education and go on to fine careers in their home state.

    BUT, even among those who want to attend, coastal elites are especially networked in. There is a whole network of college consultants who will help you to polish your application, tell you what summer internships you should do, maybe get you untimed testing on the SAT, etc. Maybe you know some prof. at that university who will write you a recommendation. Just going to an elite private school is already an advantage – these places remain feeder schools for the Ivies. Worst comes to worst (Jared Kushner) daddy may just make a huge donation and buy you into Harvard. If you are a rich person (Jewish or not) living on the Upper East Side or in some Superzip, there are a ten different angles that you can use to get your kid into an elite college and some parents begin plotting these from the moment of birth.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.” On the other end, you have Asians who are first generation. Their idea of getting an advantage is cramming for a 1600 on their SATs. They (again not being plugged in) don’t understand that Ivy admissions officers LOVE to throw (not all – gotta keep those averages up so you can let in more minorities) Asians with 1600 SATs in the reject pile. Should have started that charity for the children of Rwandan coffee bean pickers – THAT would have impressed the readers, not playing 1st violin in the school orchestra.

    Again, ALL coastal elites benefit from this network effect – it’s not just Jared Kushner, it’s Chelsea Clinton too. It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

  108. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    But why not Vienna or Prague (not that there weren’t brilliant Jews there too), why especially Budapest?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Lot
  109. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Recently I sat through a presentation given by a high-level bureaucrat who works in city planning in a major American city. He presented a bar chart that showed the average household wealth in the city by race. As posters here probably know, the racial disparities in household wealth are much larger than those in income, and the chart showed whites towering over blacks and Hispanics. He told us that this showed the continuing effects of discrimination.

    Although the city has a prominent Asian population, the chart showed only whites, blacks, and Hispanics. At the bottom of the pages there was an asterisk, followed by small text that said something like “Partial data. Not all racial groups shown.”

  110. @Jack D

    Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Uh, no, as many others have pointing out including Ron Unz here (Unz.com link doesn’t appear to be working) http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/. For example Jews are way over represented at Harvard even taking into account their supposed higher IQ. Gentile whites and Asians are way under represented. There’s obvious ethnic nepotism going on.

    See here also: http://whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-45.htm

  111. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Transnational Capitalist Entitlement 101:

    Leading Auckland immigration lawyer Aaron Martin weighs in on the re-cent comments in the media from unions about transmission gully and the concerns around labour short-ages taking jobs from New Zealanders.

    Recently unions have been griping about ex-patriot workers being brought in to complete transmission gully. They really ought to be more in tune with the labour market.

    People are asking why employers can’t train up Kiwis. A better question is: what is the current education system doing to get young New Zealanders work-ready? And what incentives are employers being given to train? Should employers be expected to make up for the inadequacies of our existing education sys-tem, which delivers school leavers qualified in nothing, and of no use to the 21st century employment market?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1805/S00018/its-a-skill-shortage-dummy-not-a-labour-shortage.htm

    NZ is upside down, the left shows more patriotism than the right.

  112. res says:
    @Lot

    Though your explanation is true, I find it insufficient to explain this group of people so far out on the ability tail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

    P.S. Kind of funny for me to be writing this given how much I go on about the explanatory power of selection effects.

  113. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Hungarian is a language isolate, so smart Hungarians study STEM instead of the fashionable sophistries (psychology, Marxism, lesbianism) of the day.

  114. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard

    As a group, the Chinese are the most conservative of all Asian groups, the majority identify themselves as independent voters. The most liberal ethnic groups among Asians are the South Asians — Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis. However East Asians who went to elite schools like Ivies or Stanford tend to turn into the biggest Kool Aid drinking libtards. Ted Lieu who went to Stanford is one such sell-out, others include Derrick Watson and Theodore Chang, judges from HI and MD respectively who struck down all of Trump’s immigration EO’s, both went to Harvard Law. This is the main reason why I think elite schools’ discrimination against Asians is a good thing. We don’t need more Kool Aid drinking leftist dogs like these three.

  115. hyperbola says:
    @Anon

    We are being robbed and manipulated by a corrupt, abusive, racist mafia. It is a mafia that operates world-wide and robs, abuses, manipulates many countries. Note, for example, that Haim Saban contributes to jewish abuse of the majority populations in both the US and Germany.

    Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the World’s Media

    http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/

    The Israel Lobby in Germany | Freemasonry – Scribd

    https://es.scribd.com/document/236970539/The-Israel-Lobby-in-Germany

    The ProSieben / Sat1 Group, which combines the German TV station ProSieben, Sat.1, Kabel eins, N24, 9Live and which are especially designed for women transmitter Sixx under one roof, is in possession of the Jew Haim Saban. The Axel Springer Foundation, which was part of the Axel Springer AG conducted from 1981 to 2010 by the Jew Ernst Cramer. After Cramer’s death Friede Springer himself took over as CEO. Friede Springer is a Zionist and got 2000 even the Leo Baeck Prize, the highest award of the Central Council of Jews in Germany. CEO of Axel Springer AG is the Zionist Dopfner Matthias, who has held a position at the Aspen Institute Berlin at the same time. The Aspen Institute is an American lobby, which was founded after WW2 propaganda purposes. The Institute is managed by Trustees, the President and CEO is the Jew Walter Isaacson…..

  116. AaronB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You’re not begging your masters hard enough, Steve.

    White men of your generation cannot imagine challenging Jews for supremacy. You’re the generation that let Jews gain ascendancy to begin with, despite having all the advantage in orders of magnitude more white people with high IQs.

    You just surrendered – and it’s clear now you can’t break the habit. It’s unrealistic to expect you now to change course. You’re the generation that sold out to a tiny tribe with way less smart people than you to begin with.

    We must wait for the next generation.

    In the meantime, since you can’t write about Jews, even when you’re super critical of them, without at the same time adopting a submissive posture and generally affirming their status as masters, why not stop writing about them?

    You’re really not doing white people a favor by spreading your submissiveness and defeatism.

    I think we all understand you are too deeply conditioned to change – but stop corrupting the next generation.

  117. @Ozymandias

    It’s in our best interest to allow them to continue operating unchecked? Seriously?

    What is your proposal to check them?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  118. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D

    Both of chelsea’s parents became lackeys of jewish treason and racism to further their political careers. No surprise that Chelsea then married into a jewish banker family already convicted of fraud.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  119. res says:
    @Lot

    Vox Day

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html

    To have a meaningful conversation about this it is important to be clear about which particular populations (e.g. Sephardic Jews, American Jews, …) are (and are not) meant. Thank you for doing that.

    Do you have a link for the studies you mention?

  120. @Twinkie

    It’s almost as if ‘anti-Semitic propaganda’ through the ages might actually have some significant truth to it.

  121. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Markets have no moral judgment but they are “right” by definition. Communists have tried substituting their judgment for the market value of various services and it sucks. That’s why when you go to Cuba your taxi driver might be a moonlighting doctor – he will make more driving foreign tourists around than he can doing heart surgery.

    I myself sometimes wonder how it can be “right” or possible that I get paid to sit in an air conditioned office and type crap for clients at my computer (not much different than what I am doing right now for free) and get paid well for it, but some other poor schmuck has to cling to a hot and dangerous roof and nail up shingles and gets a small fraction of what I get. It doesn’t make that much sense to me, other than there are a lot more guys with strong forearms than there are guys who can negotiate a stock purchase agreement. But this is the judgment of the market. I could have stayed on the farm (literally – I grew up on a farm) but it was clear to me from an early age that American society rewarded lawyers more than it rewarded farmers. This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this. Again, all you need to do is get rid of all of these folks (it’s been tried in certain places) and you’ll find out that you actually DO want them (or more precisely, NEED them). No one actually WANTS to put oil in their car. They just want to go from place to place. The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

  122. hyperbola says:
    @AnotherDad

    Remember that already Plato defined the “extractive financiers” as parasites on society. We have been suffering from parasites for far too long.

  123. res says:
    @Jack D

    I basically agree with the point you are making here, but question it being the complete explanation.

    The average farm family in Iowa doesn’t even know that these things even exist (and if they did, they aren’t in a position to pay for them anyway). Their SAT study advice is “get a good night’s sleep and bring a #2 pencil.”

    I think this was true 30-40 years ago, but question it a bit now. If true, it is a distressing indictment of their school guidance counselors.

    It just so happens that Jews are disproportionately plugged into this network already.

    Was this always so? I think there is a significant chicken and the egg issue here which bears examination.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @sayless
  124. @Tyrion 2

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    There’s a strategic difference between ignoring or complaining about animus—and fighting back and literally drawing blood. If an individual or group is, or becomes, unwilling to do the latter, animus and contempt towards them may likely increase. This is basic schoolyard stuff.

    Then again, nice people really shouldn’t want to sound like Hitler talking about the Jews when they talk about any group of people.

    If people, especially intelligent, otherwise reasonable people, start not being nice in the form of “sounding like Hitler”— that ideally should serve as ample warning to the source of their ire: Mend your anti-white ways, or some groups/individuals with executive agency may start acting like Hitler & Co.

    Our host Steve is very nice, but not too nice, and while he doesn’t sound at all like Hitler, he is willing to talk plainly about Jews and any other subject of interest. But be aware: The world is full of everyday people who don’t hold ‘niceness’ as the ultimate value, and will remorselessly draw blood if increasingly cornered.

    “I want you to be nice. Until it’s time… to not be nice.”

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  125. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D

    What markets? Already Adam Smith identified that nations such as Britain and the US do NOT have free markets or cqapitalism, but rather mercantilism in which “businessmen” control the government for their own benefit. Smith was pretty adamant about never letting more than three such persons together in a room – they would immediately start preying on the majority population.

  126. Svigor says:

    While Jews tend to pride themselves on being intellectually fractious—“Ask two Jews, get three opinions”

    I’ll raise you “there are Jews on every side of this issue.”

    WGAF? Yes, we know there are a lot of loudmouth Jews who love giving us their opinions, and given millions of Jews, you can find quite a few dissenters on any given policy* – meaningless, powerless dissenters, if you ignore their utility as fig leaves for Jewry. The overall vector of Jewry is what usually matters; what are they strongly divided on? Because there’s a whole lot they aren’t, like support for Zionism, opposition to the Iran deal, support for Democrats and (Jewish-particularist) leftism, open borders for White countries and closed borders for Israel, or hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    *Except this one: hatred of Whites who want for Whites the sort of thing that Jews have for themselves in Israel. You’ve gotta look pretty hard to find these Jews, and be willing to squint pretty hard at the ones you get.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Lot
  127. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If Jews are of such high IQ, why isn’t a single university from Israel on the Time’s list of Top 100 universities in the World? Don’t use “old” as an excuse either, the list includes many relatively new East Asian universities (new compared to Oxbridge, Ivies). There are 9 universities in Israel. The highest ranked university in Israel is Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in the 201-250 range. The two Jewish dominant universities in the US, Brandeis and Yeshiva, are not even on the list of top 800.

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

    Indians love to tout their IIT, but the highest ranked university in India is Indian Institute of Science, ranked in the 251-300 range. Majority of India’s best IITs are ranked in the 500-800 range. Indians and Jews are like parasites, they can only thrive in something someone else created. When they have to create something of their own, they suck.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Svigor
  128. Jack D says:
    @res

    No, but the Jews have been plugged into it for a generation or two now. I was not plugged into this network as a kid growing up on a farm in NJ but I was able to take advantage of America’s meritocratic system – there was a sort of golden interval where OTOH Jews were no longer barred from the Ivies but OTOH getting in was not the fierce competition that is is today. But at college I knew Jewish kids whose parents were college educated and had been plugged in a generation or 2 earlier (but not beyond that).

    But, now that I am on the inside, my kids growing up on the Main Line of Philadelphia were sure plugged into it (not that they weren’t very bright and would have gotten into good schools on their own). Once you are on the inside of these networks it tends to perpetuate after that. There is some “from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations” but there is also a lot of stickiness in the elites, especially now that college has been dumbed down. I know (mostly Jewish but also some part Jewish and not Jewish) kids who, were there parents not plugged in in the way that I have described, there’s no way in hell that they could have attended an elite university. I’m not sure that these parents are really doing their kids a favor, but sending your kid to an elite school is a prestige good like driving a BMW.

  129. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Lot

    I cite from the great essay The Myth of American Meritocracy written by Ron Unz:

    Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,64 but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65

    And don’t be disparaging of the Northeast Asian IQ of 106. The Asian students are the meritocratic elite in America today–it is not the Jews. If the Jewish IQ is so much higher than the Northeast Asian IQ, why are the National Merit Finalist winners disproportionately Asian and not Jewish?

  130. Lot says:
    @res

    Thank you for at least acknowledging this. ["Jews certainly are very disproportionately responsible for this horrible state of affairs"]

    Sure, antisemitic stereotypes, like stereotypes in general, rarely come out of nowhere. I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    There’s also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    As much as I might agree with this, I have to observe that the SJW crusade appears to have achieved such importance in the minds of its perpetrators that defunding government might just result in essential services being eliminated (e.g. we don’t need to inspect those bridges and dams properly) rather than cutting back on the nonsense (e.g. we need an expensive project to create transgender compatible restrooms).

    That’s too pessimistic. Most of the extremely destructive Great Society handouts to anti-white types have now been killed off. A lot of the remains have seen their budgets, adjusted for inflation, fall by half. The old policy of unlimited AFDC welfare is dead. Total non-defense public employment as a share of the workforce has been on a long-term decline since Reagan. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, collectively home to almost 10% of the US population, have definitively defeated their public sector union domination.

    Even if this were not the case, I am OK with the collateral damage from dismantling a large part of the public sector and the student-loan harvesting educational sector. It isn’t realistic for the right to retake law schools and humanities departments. It is realistic to stop subsidizing them, since every dollar we cut has a potential winner who gets that dollar in the form of a tax cut or alternative government spending.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Frankie P
    , @Svigor
    , @Svigor
  131. res says:
    @Jack D

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well? You are wrong about this.

    I think AnotherDad was clear about his point. If perhaps not explicit enough. People want the output of the “regulated capitalist order that we have.” There is a philosophical question about wanting lawyers vs. wanting their product though. I think you are smart enough to see AnotherDad’s point even if you disagree with it so I was a bit surprised by your response quoted above (though you do draw out the relevant points in the rest of your response, it is clear you are a good lawyer).

    Another way to express this is to observe that law is one of the few professions where a single lawyer becoming involved usually means at least one more becomes necessary. This is a negative sum game for the other players, but a necessary one once it is started. It seems to map fairly well into a Prisoner’s dilemma where “stays silent” = “does not hire a lawyer” and “betrays” = “hires a lawyer”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma (I am sure you don’t need the link, but included for completeness).

    Why they get paid so well is a fascinating question. Some thoughts.
    - Skill requirements. And skill arms races–they are competitive fields and winning matters (how many more tangibly productive fields benefit as much not just from winning but from defeating skilled opponents? Business is similar in this regard. Contrast engineering, personal services, or education.).
    - Trade union style behavior.
    - Probably more, but the ones I was coming up with mapped into those two.

    This is the judgment of the market – who am I to fight it?

    I think this is often the crux of these conversations. And a big reason opposing sides have trouble understanding each other. Some people view the market as a fact of nature. Others view it as a tool for living (both individually and as a group). Tools serve their users, not the other way around.

    To be clear, I don’t think there is a single correct answer here. But it is helpful to understand where other people are coming from even if they are “wrong” in your (or my) world view.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  132. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Some examples of things that Jews came up with — Communism, multiculturalism, Zionism, identity politics, victim mentality — all suck.

    Everything else Jews dominate today was invented by whites. Once whites make something successful, Jews come in, take over and run it to the ground through their greed, lack of honesty and self-restraint. Examples: Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, DC, media, education, Ivy League, the law, western art, western literature, western pop culture, Europe, UK, USA.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  133. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s not happening, Steve. You will not convince this people to go against their nature. Their in-group identity is founded upon and strengthened by their opposition to the host, and their one-track tribal mind is too powerful a force for them to appraise objectively. This ends how it has 109 times before, and they will surely put all the blame on the Other for it again as always.

  134. @Jake1

    ” The horizons of a smart person growing up in the NYC or SF metro areas is going to be far different than someone growing up in Ohio or Tennessee.”

    Why should it be? Isn’t America the Land of Opportunity?

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.

    “Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land!”

    A hundred years ago, South Wales was a mega industrial area, one of the world centres of coal and steel production, and Jews went there (there were riots against them in 1911 in Ebbw Vale iirc). Michael Howard (ne Hecht), the former Conservative leader, was born into a Jewish community in Llanelli, then a prosperous industrial town.

    The industry has gone and the Jewish communities have gone (quite a few derelict synagogues) – but the great-grandchildren of the miners and steelworkers are mostly still there.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/welsh-homes/disused-valleys-synagogue-could-yours-12242674

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Johann Ricke
  135. The Jew flourishes when borders come down, when boundaries blur, when walls are destroyed, not erected….

    Ahistorical and dumb. Saharan Jews, for example, did not flourish despite being in the borderless Sahara. When one stops to think about it, it strikes me that the Jews flourish best behind borders: Israel, jobs like money-lending being fenced off, connections whilst exempt from white guilt e.t.c

    P.S Steve, any links for your final blockquote?

  136. res says:
    @Lot

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites…

    I basically agree with much of that (depending on the definition, though the genocide comment applied to the less nutty is a gross calumny IMO). In turn, another problem is that the anti-anti-Semites (even the less nutty ones, including probably most American Jews in general, and distressingly many non-Jews) endlessly play motte and bailey with the term “anti-Semite” obscuring the difference between trying to have a conversation about why there is Jewish overrepresentation in some fields (and how often that is what underlies the “white overrepresentation” our media criticizes) and being “literally Hitler.”

    It is also worth noting that there is a difference between denying “non-Jewish responsibility” and just not talking about it at a given moment. Don’t conflate the two.

    That’s too pessimistic.

    Perhaps. You make some good points. I still think my concerns are worth keeping in mind.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Lot
  137. Joe862 says:
    @Pat Boyle

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids. High IQ people would have more reason to seek each other out and breed.

    The trick is to have functional societies with minimal misery, reasonable opportunity, etc. Just breeding a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs isn’t going to do that. Notice how jews are forever complaining about how hard they’ve had it and all that. You get a lot of successful individuals but collective dysfunction.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  138. @Jack D

    The problem is that if you don’t put oil in your car, it won’t take you from place to place.

    I want the federal funds rate to go from place to place.

    It’s now one and a half percent or higher by a trace.

    Fed Chair Powell should go to the normal 6 percent place.

    Bernanke wouldn’t do it, neither would Yellen.

    Asset bubble popping ain’t what they’re selling.

    I am more than convinced that the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire will never “normalize” interest rates, for if they did, the asset bubbles in real estate, bonds and stocks would pop, and many of them would be liquidated financially and then they would be forcibly deported from the United States.

    It took a blog post about Jonathan Weisman to get some essential financial talk from the Unz Review commentariat.

    If you ain’t talking monetary policy and debt or mass immigration and demography, you ain’t talking.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  139. J.Ross says: • Website

    An excellent piece with many highly quotable sentences. The “defeated populace” line really is outright spooky. Weisman seems to have no capacity for objectivity at all.

  140. Jack D says:
    @res

    I think you are looking at this in completely the wrong way. In a complex transaction, it’s just not true that both sides would be better off if they did not hire a lawyer. We live in a complex world where no two business people have the time or the specialized knowledge needed to enter into a complex transaction. Say you are buying a used car and you have a professional mechanic look at it and talk to the dealer’s mechanic – have you both “lost” because you hired an expert?

    Ignorance is only bliss until you find out what it is that you don’t know. Say that two businessmen follow your advice and don’t hire lawyers. Instead they write up some crappy two page agreement on the back of a napkin – I’ve seen it done. At first everything seems great – they didn’t have to “waste” money on legal fees and fight over all sorts of issues that might get covered in a complex contract and will probably never come up anyway. But then, stemming to “bad luck” one of those issues does come up – say you get a letter from the state sales tax people asking you to pay the business’s unpaid sales taxes from 2015. They are telling you that you are liable for this even though you only bought the assets of the business and not the seller’s corporation – they tell you that you should have gotten some kind of clearance certificate and you didn’t know that you were supposed to do this. Or maybe one of the company’s suppliers is saying that there are unpaid invoices and they won’t keep shipping to you unless you pay them. Or maybe someone pulls up with a truck and says they are here to repossess some machine – they show you that they have a recorded security interest on it and you didn’t know that you can look these things up. You don’t even know what a “security interest” is. You open up the 2 page agreement that you did with the other guy and you realize the contract doesn’t say anything about any of these things – you never even considered that they might happen. What do you do now? (That’s when you call me and I tell you that you should have called me BEFORE you signed that contract).

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    , @res
  141. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But white gentiles generally aren’t overrepresented. If you look at the data, white gentiles generally are about as represented as their share of the population, or even underrepresented. Moreover, white gentile representation in a particular field or industry generally isn’t hostile or antagonistic towards Jews. Whereas Jewish overrepresentation in say the media or academia is characterized by the development and promotion of a culture that is hostile or antagonistic towards white gentiles.

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @res
  142. Jack D says:
    @anon

    Yes, Hollywood was great before the Jews ruined it. Mind you, it was just a bunch of orange groves before then, but they were great orange groves.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Svigor
  143. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    What’s weird is that I never hear even those directly affected by anti-white animus call it self-evidently abhorrent and dismiss its legitimacy out of hand. Were more people to do that I imagine it would happen a lot less.

    This is dishonest. People have done this with a consistent effect. You are free to call out open hatred of whites any time you want to lose your job, be physically threatened, and watch your car burn, or, at best, be dismissed as a racist and told that you deserve whatever you get.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  144. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Opioid manufacturers and dealers make lots of money as well.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  145. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Is it really a good idea to stick around in places that no longer have any viable industries? If your ancestors went there to mine coal and now the coal mine is closed, isn’t it time to leave?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  146. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Endless war and a garrison state?

    A large group religious males that don’t work?

    Hostility towards your closest ethnic relatives next door?

    Being confined to a small strip of coast versus being a middle class Ottoman citizen?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  147. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    I don’t know if Hungarian Jews had more achievements per capita than the Viennese.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  148. Jack D says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    While they are at it, maybe they could spread some plague bacteria to get rid of overpopulation too? Maybe we have a asset bubble but exploding the bubble is not a good idea. Ideally you let it down slowly (or maybe never at all – the Australian housing market has had an “asset bubble” for 25 years and it still hasn’t popped).

    6% is “normal” when everything else is “normal” – if we had “normal” inflation and normal levels of (true) unemployment, etc. If 6% was always the correct Fed funds rate you wouldn’t need a Fed – you’d just print 6% on all the bonds and go home. Even if 6% is the right number it doesn’t mean you can go from 1.5% to 6% overnight, not anymore than an alcoholic can go cold turkey without getting the DTs.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  149. Jack D says:
    @Joe862

    It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it.

    And yet it’s never been (intentionally) done. The era of IQ measurement and eugenics was closely followed by the era of Hitler so no one has dared to try this. The Chinese will probably get around to it.

    Yes, just look at Africa – they have never taken the time to breed a bunch of brainy megalomaniacs and they are as happy as clams!

    • Replies: @Joe862
  150. Vinteuil says:
    @fnn

    “Vox Day has been posting some detailed information on the Ashkenazi IQ question”

    There’s some interesting stuff, there, but VD sure doesn’t do himself any favors with the degree of rhetorical license he adopts. He really needs to tone it down.

    His most interesting point is that high Jewish IQ + tail-end effects doesn’t explain the wildly disproportionate representation of Jews in leadership positions in politics, media, popular culture, &c, where IQ’s above, say, 135, are, if anything, disabling.

    I mean, does anybody think Tom Friedman owes his position to being really, really smart?

  151. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Your post reads like it was written by one of the Mafia goons from the Simpsons.

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group.

    And yes that group does include most Jews by my reckoning.

    But that group is normally called ‘white people’, so your goonish post now seems to be inadvertently directed at yourself.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks for people who are both white and Jewish, it does at least make for an amusing observation. I had a giggle.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  152. @Jack D

    I want the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate to pop so as to create the necessary political conditions for an immediate removal of most of the foreigners from the United States. I guess that makes me a radical. Sam Francis called people like me Middle American Radicals.

    Fed Chair Powell can get his market movers to bump the federal funds rate to 6 percent. Powell would have to do this while in a secure bunker, granted.

    Australia is a resource cartel with some electronic intelligence installations, they’ll go belly up when Trumpy puts a prohibitive tariff on all Chinese products or goods. Australia digs up stuff and China makes stuff out of it, then China floods the globe with cheap labor made stuff.

    Australia will go back to the White Australia policy when the China resource bubble pops.

    Fed Chair Volcker got the federal funds rate over 20 percent in 1981, let’s do it again, that would be fun!

  153. songbird says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Future trends are an interesting question, but endogamy or lack thereof isn’t a good measure of current Jewish tribalism, IMO.

    The best way to test it is through real life experience. I’ve heard Jews say many things touching on Jewishness that I can’t even begin to find parallels with other white ethnicities. Possibly there are other groups like blacks and Indians, but, I don’t think it is true of whites, Hispanics, or East Asians.

    Finally, there is the question of who they are marrying. There is assortative mating. Rootless people tend to marry rootless people. The Left tends to marry itself. I’m willing to bet there is a high degree of hyphenated names in these marriages, a sign of Leftism. Many half-Jews I know see themselves as being Jewish.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  154. Vinteuil says:
    @Marcus D.

    “But nothing lasts forever. The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with an intermarriage rate of 55%.”

    Norman Podhoretz notoriously thought that the only solution to his “Negro problem” was miscegenation.

    I wonder what he would think of the idea that miscegenation is the only solution to the “Jewish question.”

    • Replies: @anon
  155. Joe862 says:
    @Jack D

    Like anything, intelligence can be overemphasized. Just because the Africans seem to have way too little doesn’t mean that it’s the only important thing.

  156. Jack D says:
    @res

    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism, even on American anti-Semitism which was never genocidal (or even close to genocidal). Before the Holocaust, it was possible to be a “polite” anti-Semite and make rational arguments about whether the Jews were in all respects 100% nothing but good for America and all Americans and should be included in every possible sphere (club, private business, etc.). People (especially Jews) might disagree with you but it was a valid (if somewhat controversial) POV. Henry Ford was openly anti-Semitic and remained a well respected figure. Lindbergh too.

    But, the Holocaust changed everything for American Jews. They perceived (rightly or wrongly) that “polite” anti-Semitism might lead to the not so polite kind and that the stakes involved potentially were not just membership in golf clubs but literally life and death. Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

  157. Vinteuil says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “Let’s…assume that you need a 130 IQ to be extremely successful…”

    Let’s not assume that. And let’s especially not assume that your chances of extreme success keep going up once you get into the IQ stratosphere of 140, 150, 160.

    Especially if we’re talking about extreme success in anything outside the hard sciences, mathematics, and, possibly, academic philosophy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @AaronB
  158. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    A prime example of how Jews ruined Hollywood — the takeover of Disney Corp. Walt Disney built arguably the most respected brand in America that focused on family-centric entertainment, then Eisner the Jew came in and turned it into lolita express with crap “talents” like Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber. Today Disney makes movies that are as depraved as the rest of Hollywood, hypersexual with gratuitious violence. His successor Bob Iger is taking it to a whole new level with politicizing of sports through ESPN, and promotion of the liberal agenda through children’s movies. He’s even found a way to ruin Star Wars.

    • Agree: Thea
  159. Vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    “The solution is to beat back the left at every turn. Especially defunding government at every level, and very especially ending public support for higher education outside of STEM.”

    Dream on.

  160. Rich says:
    @Jack D

    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else. All the talk about high Ashkenazi IQ is based on “estimates”. In the US, no test separates out groups based on religion. The only test available for Jews as a separate group is from Israel, it doesn’t separate the Ashkenazi from the Sephardic, and the result is a 95 IQ.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  161. Jack D says:
    @hyperbola

    Enough already with the compliments. Do you have anything BAD to say about Chelsea?

  162. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Markets don’t make moral judgments but the law does. We declare drug dealing to be illegal because we feel that its social detriments outweigh its social benefits (if any). This may change over time – marijuana dealing was a crime and now it’s a business. But pretty much anywhere where they have declared lawyering/banking to be anti-social and illegal it has not gone well.

  163. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    I haven’t heard it. You in know…in real life. Instead, other than maybe me, all I hear is those who are being offended either make excuses or talk around the subject.

    Were I to suggest anti-black discrimination to a black person they’d tell me to shut up and stop being so bloody racist. I’ve never actually seen this reaction the other way around. What usually happens is that the offended party speaks in a mealy-mouthed manner and the whole proposition is seen as reasonable – when it clearly is not.

    I wasn’t being dishonest. In fact I was making a practical suggestion. Something I remind myself to try to do when I make a political observation. Need I attach a trigger warning in future?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
  164. @YetAnotherAnon

    That’s not just a crony-capitalism thing between the google and the government – judicial branch, YAA. This is an everyday greedy lawyer thing, and it’s standard, as are there any non-greedy lawyers that you’ve ever known?

    If you’ve ever gotten a postcard saying you should write in, because, as a successful plaintiff in a big lawsuit, you are owed 5 dollars and 43 cents, you may know what I mean. (It’s a postcard, because a letter will eat into that big settlement more!) The lawyers split the big money. On the cases with millions of people to dole out the money to, they figure what’s the diff? Even if they cut their take down to reasonable amount, you may just get another 5 bucks.

  165. Alfa158 says:
    @Barnard

    There are some working and lower class White people in this district, but they re-drew the lines to include enough people who vote a solid Democratic ticket, hence the people with six figure incomes, Jews and non-Whites. This ensures Red Ted will hold the seat for as long as he wants it.

  166. Vinteuil says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “…what exactly is wrong with favoring your ethnic or racial group over others? As Steve likes to note, races are just extended families. Why wouldn’t I favor my family over another?”

    Good question. This was the human way for many thousands of years.

    Universalism/Impartialism is a late blooming, hot house flower, which drives its true believers to suicide. It cannot last.

  167. Jack D says:
    @Vinteuil

    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn’t work that way – the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and ‘spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception – there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  168. L Woods says:
    @Jack D

    The dissident/alt/whatever right also attracts a lot of intelligent but dysfunctional individuals, so there’s likely something of a biased perspective along those lines as well.

  169. @Joe862

    There is nothing particularly impressive about breeding a high average IQ. It’s measurable and could easily be bred into any group that wanted it. If people thought IQ was the magic solution to their problems just provide incentives to have high IQ kids.

    You’re treating this as if because it’s straightforward to flowchart, yet hasn’t been done it’s irrelevant. Murray and Herrnstein’s “The Bell Curve” is a refutation of that, along with basically all the honest, IQ-aware sociology out there. IQ doesn’t just matter, it’s the most critical factor.

    What you’re missing is exactly what Jack said–it’s never been done. The century back WASP progressives–correctly–talked up eugenics. But the Jews, especially post-holocaust have basically tried to label any talk of genes and social outcomes/social improvement–however obvious–as “Hitler”, “Nazi”, etc. etc. Eugenics is routinely labelled as “discredited”, though that’s obviously ridiculous unless you are a true nurture absolutist who literally believes that genes have nothing to do with human behavior and socio-economic outcomes.

    In fact–as Derbyshire pointed out–a society can not help but have a eugenic policy, anymore than it can not have an energy policy or a trade policy. It can have a good eugenic policy or–as in our case–a crappy disgenic one. But it’s got to have one.

    And contra your implication it matters a whole heck of a lot. We could pretty much outright end our “social problems” in one generation of–severe, aggressive–selective breeding. But we could also end it in probably about a century (four generations) of fairly mild eugenic policy that involved no coercion for the non-insane, non-criminal, with policies that tied welfare to sterilization, ended immigration, had ubiquitous, fail-safe free birth control for the underclass, had tax substantial tax incentives/disincentives to get intelligent, well-adjusted peopel to get busy and the screwups to stop breeding, and a cultural environment promoting, lionizing child bearing for intelligent women.

    In any case, i think it’s basically a sure bet that the Chinese–as more and more genetic data rolls in–are going to head down the eugenic path in some fashion. (Incentives, screening, manipulation, etc.) Doing anything else is idiocy, and those folks for all their problems aren’t idiots. They do not have a hostile anti-national elite and they don’t have this anti-science ideology of pretending genes don’t matter in order to harass the people of their nation.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Joe862
  170. Vinteuil says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’l go res one better – this is *very* well said.

  171. @Jack D

    Different groups have different attitudes, as illustrated. The attachment of the British to their landscape (even if that landscape is terraced houses and spoil heaps) is the mildest blood-and-soil you could wish for, but it’s real nonetheless.

    Of course they don’t all stay. To some extent the brightest “boil off”. John Cale of the Velvets comes from what was in his childhood a Welsh-speaking, Chapel-going industrial village which fell on hard times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnant

  172. AndrewR says:
    @vinteuil

    If they refuse, then Sailer will write more snarky, passive-aggressive articles about them.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  173. @Jack D

    This is just not true. American WANT to believe that it is true because America has always had an anti-intellectual streak and feel that somehow too much brains has to come at some karmic price. But when this has been studied scientifically (e.g. by the Hopkins Study of Exceptional Talent) it doesn’t work that way – the correlation between IQ and successful life outcomes is linear and the curve never turns back down again. Yes there are a few ultra high IQ people who are sort of strange and ‘spergy and bordering on nuts (Bobby Fischer) but they are the exception – there are also a lot (more) of dumb people who are also nuts.

    Exactly.

    Yes, there is a good tranche of particularly high-to-one-side people who are a bit “weird”. And there’s no doubt that just being further and further from the norm makes it a bit harder for some to relate to normal. But in general the more “g” the better. I don’t know any Field’s medal types, but i know of a fair number of the smart kids (>99%tile–well above 130) in my son’s (very good) high school class and they are just darn solid kids. I know a good number of real sharp physics guys, and again–not dismissing their excentricities–they aren’t absent minded professors, but are generally really sharp on the ball guys.

    On the other hand, a lot of not very bright people have a lot of “issues” and a fair number are disturbed, pyschotic, screwed up.

    The 99%tiler with a 150 IQ actually has a much better chance of putting together an end-to-end solid citizen life–positive career, stable marriage, civic engagement, solid well-behaved kids–than a 100 IQ normal, who’ll do that about 50-50.

    100 IQ isn’t some optimal for executing Western Civilization it is *where we got to* in IQ selection before the distruption of the great unravelling.

  174. Thea says:
    @Anon

    So humans practice group selection but during the 20th century various flavors of Europeans stopped doing so.

    I’m not sure I buy the reaction to the Holocaust as the reason the American whites, Swedes, English and French are tearing their lands, people and heritage apart. We used to have each others’ backs. What changed to cause whites to essentially give up on existing as a recognizable, distinct people. Was it nihilism & the death of European Christianity? Too much wealth and food leading to easy but boring lives?

    That Jews still practice a group strategy is no surprise. That whites refuse to is like some sort of shared brain virus.

  175. lavoisier says: • Website

    The issue isn’t overrepresentation. The issue is why should people accept authorities, however objectively meritorious, they don’t perceive as sharing their interests?

    It would be a little less onerous to accept if the overrepresentation was truly meritocratic, even if hostile. At least then one could consider the possibility that maybe white people do deserve to die off and the civilizations created by their ancestors transformed into multicultural dystopias.

  176. Joe862 says:
    @AnotherDad

    The smart people are overwhelmingly “liberal” and the ones championing the dysgenic policies. How smart is that?

  177. Marcus D. says:
    @Jack D

    No, we are talking about the Ashkenazi intellectual golden age that began in the nineteenth century. Spinoza is only a lone Sephardic star.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  178. @Ted F

    1960s Jewish New York Society? Who do you think runs the New York law firms?

  179. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I haven’t heard [of whites suffering for being identified as racists].

    This and not anything from Hitler or Eisenmemger or the Russian Secret Police is the most anti-Semitic thing I can think of, with a healthy chorus reminding everyone of every single spray-painted swastika through every mass-media outlet.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  180. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT follow up to E. coli outbreak — one person has now died and twenty-five states are affected. But without people who do not understand germ theory, romaine lettuce simply cannot be harvested: it’s settled science.

  181. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Svigor

    What are Jews known for:

    I would include medicine and physics in your categories as well. A lot of advances in these fields have been made by Jews.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  182. lavoisier says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    Jews are vastly over represented in the elite professions in our society relative to their IQs.

    There is no reasonable distribution of IQ scores that have been validated that can explain Jewish dominance in virtually all aspects of American society. Stop listening to Jordan Peterson–he sounds like a complete moron on this subject–even worse than John Derbyshire.

    If you read carefully the Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz you will get a feel for the scam that is being perpetrated on our society by this myth.

    I concede, on average, Jews will score higher than the Gentiles on most standardized IQ tests, particularly those weighted towards verbal ability. But the gap is unlikely to be anywhere near as great as the much touted 15 point difference that has been used to justify Jewish dominance of our society.

    Going by pure numbers of geniuses in our society in absolute terms, even given a more favorable Jewish IQ advantage of 10 points, white gentiles would be clearly dominant followed by the Asians and then the Jews. That this is not the case confirms that tribal nepotism and favoritism are at work, as well as good old fashioned discrimination against whitey.

    Be honest: Asian students proportionally are far more likely to be National Merit finalists than are Jewish students. How do you explain that?? I don’t see the Asians every night on television telling me how I am supposed to think or controlling the political process through buying off the whores in Congress.

    And since when does one need to be a genius to work as a banker on Wall Street, become a corporate lawyer, or work for CNN?

    There are very few occupations today that require one to have a one in a thousand IQ score in order to function at a high level. Only one comes to my mind–String theorists.

    Fair play has been lost in our society and in the process we are neglecting talent.

    No more affirmative action for Jews, or for anyone else for that matter!

  183. Thea says:
    @AnotherDad

    neither a thanks nor an I’m sorry would matter. Only knocking it off and policing their own members would fix it. They can practice their idiosyncratic religion or culture or whatever without destroying the host.

    being hated by everyone around them appears to be part of the strategy for keeping their group identity. I’ve been staring for years they need to reign in the more white hating and harming amongst them for their own good to prevent a backlash. The reaction I get is that I’m a hateful anti-Semite so I’ve concluded they kind of realize they need that opposition to exist.

  184. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    It is worth noting that Mertz’s primary specific criticism (she leads with this, there are more later) seems to be about Unz undercounting Jewish representation in the IMO. This seems a reasonable criticism, but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position. If anything the inability of Unz’s methodology to properly identify all Jews strengthens that point.

    Well, I haven’t read all of this very long comment-thread, but since my name and my Meritocracy analysis came up, I should make it clear that I debunked the totally ludicrous Gelman/Mertz criticisms at the time they appeared, years ago. Here are links to three of my related columns from back then:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-dangerous-cancer-statistics/

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”) is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    I really would suggest that people take a look at one or two of my links ago, and decide for themselves whether or not my claims are correct.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Lot
  185. @Lot

    The damage done to the country is permanent. So the kumbaya ship sailed long ago. Not sure where that leaves us, but it ain’t good.

  186. Vinteuil says:
    @Jack D

    Jack D, I simply don’t understand this as a response to what I posted.

  187. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    You wish to know my plans, now, do you?

  188. utu says:
    @szopen

    The ethnic nepotism is the most important factor in Jewish overrepresentation. IQ is a very useful tool to detract people from thinking about ethnic nepotism. There is not question that Jews in American achieved unprecedented dominance. and thus as a top caste in the so-called meritocratic society will do everything to detract form ethnic nepotism allegations. One may even suspect that the main reason why the so-called research in the so-called IQ science is tolerated.

    You are correct that some recent meta studies indicate that Jewish IQ is closer to 106-107 and the cases when 110-115 were reported were on small samples.

    A comparative study of the general factor of personality in Jewish and non-Jewish populations
    Personality and Individual Differences 78 (2015) 63–67
    Curtis S. Dunkel, Charlie L. Reeve, Michael A. Woodley of Menie, Dimitri van der Linden

    http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1488.pdf

    ADD Health (Table 2) MIDUS II (Table 3) PT (Table 4)

    n(jews)=34 n(Jews)=98 n(Jews)=6915
    Jews ———111.24——–105.94——— 106.71
    Catholic——100.39——-100.56———102.92
    Methodist—-100.99 (P)—-99.44———103.99 (P)
    Baptist————————94.38—————–
    Agnostic/Atheists——105.46——-107.33———109.45

  189. @lavoisier

    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions. Maybe the IQ gap is actually only 10 points and other traits account for the other 1/6th of the achievement gap?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  190. AaronB says:
    @Vinteuil

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s very fascinating.

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    It’s also becoming impossible to ignore Jewish mediocrity – as you note, Friedman did not get his position because of IQ. Jewish achievement at high end physics and math has already collapsed, as Unz showed, and Jewish dominated institutions like media, journalism, and Hollywood do not require especially high IQs.

    Notably, hard engineering firms like Boeing ate not notably dominated by Jews – but journalism, yes!

    Not to mention, at IQ 130+ white gentiles outnumber Jews at something more than 10-1.

    Enough already! I am repeating myself endlessly. It’s like whack a mole – leave for a few says, and low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    After all, passion would be “bad form” – right, Steve? An ironical smile, and submission. That is the white way.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @utu
    , @Jack D
    , @res
  191. @Marcus D.

    Ricardo wasn’t dumb. Nor Maimonides. Nor Judah P. Benjamin nor David Levy Yulee, for that matter. But yeah, I could imagine Sephardics being more like, say, Armenians than like Ashkenazis.

    • Replies: @Marcus D.
  192. Altai says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You’re looking at a particular generation that doesn’t have the institutional power yet, we don’t have time for them to replace the old guard in order to have a different foreign policy. But those ‘deracinated’ Jews may not look kindly on the acts of Israel but they’re perhaps even moreso last men who would feel uncomfortable without ‘diversity’. Think George Soros, they might not see Ashkenazim going to the Levant as them returning to their homeland or perhaps as desirable (Who’d trade Manhattan for Tel Aviv?) or sustainable and find the whole affair a terrible crime, but they still desire to terraform their host societies.

    And a lack of active ethnocentric participation doesn’t mean they’ll oppose ethnocentric kin. A huge amount of Jews oppose Israel or at least oppose Likud aggression and Netanyahu, but they’re still largely silent like Krugman, they avoid the issue. And ‘diversity’ worship is a natural progression for a Jew who lacks of more authentic Jewish cultural existence.

  193. AaronB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Cochran figures a 12 point IQ gap fits well with the achievement distributions.

    Then Cochran is mathematically illiterate. The math has been done on this site repeatedly – even a 15 point IQ gap does not come close to explaining it. Not even close.

    Instead of submitting to an arrogant blowhard – I note, a congenital defect of yours, Steve, you seem to have an irresistible impulse to submit to any arrogant and pushy person, hence your fawning over Jews – why not actually read about the issue?

    And if a 12 point gap would explain it, we cannot reason backwards and say it exists. Resist that impulse, Steve…must…not…submit….must…resust…inner…slave…must…use..logic…and…facts…

  194. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”) is that they are indeed fanatic Jewish-activists, and will simply ignore all rational arguments, repeating their self-serving apologia over and over and over again.

    What explains Steve Sailer then? Maybe he has Jewish ancestry. I confess I never thought of that.

    It would certainly explain much.

  195. Forbes says:
    @Jake

    Yes. Very convincing to see how the Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland for five years in the 17th century had such a profound and permanent effect on the ensuing 360 years. Especially his impact on the British Colonies in N. America that numbered 75,000 at the time of Cromwell’s death.

    Such men having an unchanging imprint on culture and civilization are giants of history…

  196. @anonymous

    Yes and No. It’s becoming a greater topic of interest to white Americans because of the glaring hypocrisy of Jewish neoconservatives/liberal hawks in the US. Over-representation in Hypocrisywood doesn’t help American Jews either. The rest of the western world isn’t all that bothered. European nationalists have bigger things to worry about, like the African population bomb.

    What Jewish neocons want is for nationalist whites to display existential hatred of Jews as a race. That why they can credibly cry racism and dodge sober, focused criticism from people like Steve.

  197. utu says:

    The Jewish Enlightenment lagged the Enlightenment by two or three generations. It’s usually dated to the 1770s (about 85 years after Newton’s Principia), when a handful of Jews finally began to notice with dismay that, after centuries of being richer and more sophisticated than the gentiles, they had fallen behind them.

    Here is an example of Jewish method in mathematics by Vilna Gaon (1720-1797):

    Based on this verse, Rabbi Refa’el Immanuel Chai Riki in his book Choshev Machashavot on the Bible (written 1617-8) writes that,

    The width of a hexagon circumvented within a circle is exactly a third of the perimeter of the polygon, not more and not less.

    In the Hebrew text of the verse in Kings, the word “perimeter” (קָו ) is written and read differently. Such a variation between the way a word is read and the way it is written is one of the manifest mysterious phenomena of the Bible. In this particular case, the word is written קוה , but read קָו . The obvious point, as highlighted in Choshev Machashavot is that for a circle with diameter 10 cubits, the circumference is not exactly 30 cubits. The additional letter ה that appears in the written form but is not read indicates the presence of a remainder that was suppressed.

    Based on this same observation, it is well known that the Gaon of Vilna, some 100 years later, offered the following elaboration. If we take the numerical value of the written form of “perimeter” (קָוה ), 111, and divide it by the oral form (קָו ), 106 and then multiply it by 3 we get a very good approximation for π. Specifically, 3 · 111/106 = 3.1415094…

    Clever, but no clue about what mathematics was and very far from Newton, though Newton perhaps would appreciate the numerology as well.

  198. @songbird

    I hesitated for a while to reply (not because of the content, but because SS’ moderation policy is slower than US Army advance in Monte Cassino). Since comments section is no place for essays, just a few clear & even dogmatic statements.

    1. IQ is overrated & Jewish IQ is probably overrated (without consequence). We simply can’t measure ingenuity, motivation, creativity, prolonged focus, “inspiration”, … True geniuses like Plato, Leonardo, Euler, Newton, Hilbert ..are not reducible to IQ. Moreover, in various types of sciences influence is not commensurate with intellectual acumen: Charles Darwin & Albert Einstein did not possess almost supernatural powers of cognition & creativity Leonhard Euler & Gottfried Leibniz excelled in, but their works are, due to many complex circumstances, probably more important.

    More, Jewish verbal IQ (according to IQ tests) had not given commensurate achievements in written words areas (literature, philosophy,..). On the other hand, there are many great Jewish mathematicians, more than Jewish philosophers or novelists.

    2. Jews have been highly visible & influential in past 100-150 years (before that, in their close to 3000 years history, they’ve been good achievers, but nothing even remotely spectacular as classic Greeks, or later Italians, English, Germans..). In sum, they’re, at best, small geniuses but not transcendentally great- except Einstein, von Neumann & perhaps 2-4 others. Even those mentioned towered during great flourishing of German culture (1740-1940); it is hardly imaginable Einstein would have accomplished as much had he been an American Jew.

    3. over-representation in Nobels etc. Commensurable with their love of intellectual pursuits (post-1770s), hard work & situation in the heart of culturally-technologically most advanced countries in the world at the time (Germany, US). But, most Nobel prizes in exact sciences are given to second-tier achievements in past ca. 100 years. Which really, really important & groundbreaking discoveries had been made in past ~ 100 years? Relativity (Einstein), QM (Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Dirac), perhaps astronomy (Hubble got lucky) & DNA (Watson). Most of the rest is respectable work at application or brushing up the details.

    4. as for Jews and politics, entrepreneurship & public intellectuals, I hope Steve is not too serious. Those are not fields of impressive mental athleticism. Although famous- Steve Jobs, with regard to more permanent influence & human accomplishment, is simply not in the league with Ken Thompson or Dennis Ritchie. Of course, these are different areas, just ..

    5. re Jewish inter-marriage, one should better rely on stats than on personal observations: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-2-intermarriage-and-other-demographics/

    The new Pew Research survey finds that, overall, 56% of married Jews have a Jewish spouse, while 44% of Jewish respondents are married to a non-Jew. Among Jews by religion who are married, 64% have a Jewish spouse and 36% have a non-Jewish spouse. By comparison, Jews of no religion are much more likely to be in mixed marriages; just 21% of married Jews of no religion are married to a Jewish spouse, while 79% are married to a non-Jewish spouse.

    https://jewishaction.com/religion/outreach/jonahs-sukkah/

    Among our non-Orthodox brethren, the intermarriage rate has skyrocketed. If we leave out the Orthodox—who very rarely intermarry—71.5 percent of American Jews marry outside of the faith. (This number refers to no form of conversion, that is, when the spouse identifies him or herself as a non-Jew. If we included nonhalachic conversions, the number is significantly higher.)

    ………..

    Moreover, most non-Orthodox Jews will intermarry; among children of the intermarried, the statistics are abysmal. Only 17 percent of the children of intermarried couples marry other Jews. With a birthrate of only 1.9 children and an astoundingly high intermarriage rate, American Jewry is on a train speeding headlong into self-destruction.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @lavoisier
    , @Yan Shen
  199. What Jewish neocons want is for nationalist whites to display existential hatred of Jews as a race. That why they can credibly cry racism and dodge sober, focused criticism from people like Steve.

    Organized Jewry in America, almost without exception, is acting as a race or a tribe to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Organized Jewry is also pushing for the American Empire to do the bidding of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    If Jew elements did not control large portions of the corporate propaganda apparatus, nobody would care if they cried racism. Organized Jewry has too much power in the United States.

    ABC/Disney and CBS/Viacom and NBC/Comcast are all controlled by Jews, directly or indirectly.

    Neo-Conservative Jews in the United States push nation-wrecking mass immigration. Neo-Conservative Jews and the WASP Bush Organized Crime Syndicate were the groups that dragged the United States into the Iraq War debacle.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is evil and they must be removed from power.

  200. Frankie P says:
    @Lot

    “I can go even further and say I agree that Jews are disproportionately responsible for nearly all of the destructive cultural Marxist trends that are ruining America.”

    So, a few questions. I ask these with the hope that you’ll address them honestly. You have opened up an interesting box here, and we should explore its contents.

    First, how should gentiles who are aware of this phenomenon and see it as a threat react? Is it acceptable for them to speak out about it? In polite society in the US today, it certainly is NOT. Do you feel that those gentiles have been trained to self-censor? Is that acceptable?

    Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Luke Lea
  201. @Tyrion 2

    And there actually are plenty of otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did and even about a racial group [white people].

    Who are these anti-white “reasonable people” of whom you speak? When I wrote “otherwise reasonable people” I was talking about normal whites who are not happy with their increased dispossession in the countries their ancestors founded.

    The thing about the fact that the SJWs talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews is that while it sure sucks …

    It’s not about plaintively lamenting being insulted or threatened, it’s about dispassionately taking those threats seriously and preparing for possible war. That doesn’t mean desiring war for it’s own sake, but if (limited?) war is inevitable, honorable people should embrace it with deadly vigor.

    As to which side should prevail in a hypothetical core vs. fringe Donnybrook of Doom, that’s one of them thar who/whom questions. You can guess where I stand.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  202. @Jack D

    I’m with Res on this one. I generally agree with what you’re saying but feel that it’s a tad dated. I grew up around the bright fly-over whites of which you speak, and, while a few were looking to East Coast schools, most were fine with the Flagship State U. This was backed up many years later when I worked with an economist who had been a professor at one of the two highest ranked Big Ten universities. He was a Jew from the East Coast, and he mentioned how shocked he was when he arrived and discovered year after year some incredibly bright kids who told him that they had never thought of going to any school outside of their state flagship.

    Granted, that was a very good flag ship university, but the same held true for other states.

    However, again, this is from the 1980s and 1990s so things likely have changed.

    Look, I’m not saying that ethnic nepotism is the sole reason that Jews are so over-represented, but to claim that it’s not a factor is silly. And, frankly, I don’t see why it’s a bad thing. Jews look after Jews – when they can and when it doesn’t hurt their own career. What’s wrong with that?

  203. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions goes DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s … fascinating.

    Yes. This.

  204. @Vinteuil

    Yep. Whites have been on top so long that we think that our shit don’t stink. We’ll remember to look after our own when we get knocked down a notch or two.

    • Agree: AaronB
  205. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    For at least the third time of asking, can you demonstrate or document this interesting thesis? At the very least you have some facts somewhat askew per Cromwell and the Jews. Also define what you mean by Judaising heresy. I’m not sure you understand what it means, or at least are not well read in English puritan theology which besides being very diverse has clear tendencies toward universalism on the part of some (Burroughs, who was Cromwell’s chaplain, Crisp, Bunyan).

  206. Anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    As a job and way to spend your time, it’s probably pretty boring to really bright people, their version of the toll booth toll collector job.

  207. pyrrhus says:
    @Jack D

    A total lie, based on bogus or misrepresented statistics. Ashkenazi Jews are no more intelligent than Northern Europeans or Northeast Asians, and their achievements demonstrate this fact. Other jews are less intelligent. What the Jews have is extreme ethnocentrism and no morals, hence nepotism, intimidation and bribery are routinely used to get what they want…

  208. pyrrhus says:
    @vinteuil

    Because if they don’t take some deal and stop trying to destroy Western societies, they won’t get a deal ….

  209. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Forbes

    An arsonist doesn’t need to remain present for the fire.

  210. @Jack D

    Say you have some dandelions in your lawn – you might choose to live with them or fight it with half-hearted measures. But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

    Isn’t that basically Nazi philosophy vis-à-vis Jews? I guess it all depends on whose lawn it is. Some itchy recent transplants may soon try to claim your lawn was never yours and doesn’t even exist.

    John Stewart at 11 minutes in:

    This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was! There is no real America!

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @Jack D
  211. utu says:
    @AaronB

    low IQ Jews like Jack D trot out the Jewish intelligence myth again, and that’s the real Jewish advantage – repeat things with passion and vehemence, endlessly, ignoring all facts and truth, push push push like youre life depends on it, and hope an apathetic and listless white population will just accept it already.

    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @anon
  212. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Nazis wanted to (and did) physically exterminate the Jews of Europe. Call me when American Jews set up gas chambers for American whites.

  213. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    The problem with dealing with fanatic Jewish-activist types like Gelman and Mertz (and “Lot”)

    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate. I have never been to Israel, have never been part of any Jewish organization, and know maybe three Hebrew words. I am also not an activist of any sort, though when I was in HS and college I was involved, at a low level, with Republican politics. And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    Same with Gelman. Looking at his website, there appears to be only a very minor interest in these issues, so low there are no topic categories nor a single reference on the front page to them, while on yours there is an enormous focus on the supposed misdeeds of Israel and Jews. I mean, you just mentioned you listen to Red Ice radio! While I don’t think there is anything wrong in being interested in these issues or writing about them to the extent that you do, it is pretty rich for you to throw around the word “activist” and “fanatic.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Ron Unz
  214. Redman says:
    @Ted F

    RBG graduated from Columbia Law where there were even fewer women in her class. I think 3 or 4.

  215. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    However we can be certain that, decades later, they’ll blame the white rednecks for not coming to their rescue in a timely enough fashion.

  216. Thought provoking book review.

    Weisman appears to have never thought about how some of his passages sound like anti-Semitic propaganda

    That’s quite common to all of them. In fact it’s somewhat of a trait.

    The Jew flourishes when…

    I remember a discussion between Kevin MacDonald and Tom Sunic about how Jews hate being referred to as “Jew”, or “Jews” or especially as “the Jew”, which is why both MacDonald and Sunic temper their speech by using the gentle “Jewish” instead.

    Sounds like this book is worth getting just to get to grips with the Jew’s latest shenanigans.

  217. Lot says:
    @res

    but hardly counters the Jewish overrepresentation position

    It does if the issue is the number of Jews admitted to top schools versus the relative number of qualified applicants. I don’t think it is controversial that Jews are admitted a high level relative to their population share of 18-year-olds.

    I took (as did Gelman) Unz’s core point to be that there was evidence of the top colleges discriminating in favor of Jews compared to white non-Jews. In fact, the opposite is true, for two main reasons. First, there is a geographic diversity preference that results in an admission bump to the heavily non-Jewish residents of the low-population Western states, plus a few more states that produce few very high scoring students like WV and MS. Second, there is an athletic preference, which is strongest for men’s basketball, football and hockey, but exists to a smaller extent in many other sports.

    I have no objection to these preferences by the way, but they both certainly exist, and work against Jews and to an even greater extent Asians in favor of non-Jewish whites.

    At least on what I took to be his core point, the sloppy Jew counting, including taking Hillel’s absurd and internally contradictory estimates of Jewish student scares screwed up the rest of the work. As does the idea that you can measure talent at the population level with competitions like IMO and Putnam. You might as well conclude that 90% of the most qualified high school students are South Asian based on spelling bee results. The PSAT presents a better method, but the problem is that being a NMS semifinalist is below what you need to get into the very top schools, and also Unz’s Jew-counting was sloppy or biased there too.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  218. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Exactly. I know it well first hand.

    The sooner we retire the idiotic Jewish intelligence myth and focus on the real sources of Jewish power (intensity, pushiness) – and white weakness (apathy, purposelessness), the better for everyone, including Jews, who can return to a healthier and more normal position in society in accordance with their actual more modest talents.

    A Jewish commenter on Vox Day remarked that many Jews suffer from “imposter syndrome” – few can live up to the myth of brilliance, which is obviously not based on reality.

    I notice that there is s divide between the older and younger generation of whites – and I think one of the reasons the older generation can’t accept the truth is because it must be deeply humiliating that you let yourself be ruled by an inferior tribe. I imagine the Indians felt the same way when they realized the British were not actually smarter than them.

    But it happens. If your game is down, you may get ruled by an inferior tribe. A handful of Europeans lorded it over millions of Chinese. It’s no big deal, it happens – but you gotta face the situation and deal with it.

    • Replies: @utu
  219. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    You have to listen to Red Ice to hear any mention of certain things. Red Ice has a true variety of guests. The other side has the Mighty Wurlitzer and still sends out programmatic trolls and whispering-campaigners everywhere. Is there to be no corner of the Earth where a guy can observe that he doesn’t like something which Experts have decided he ought to like, regardless of his reasons?
    And yet, for every YouTube censoring, there’s an ESPN watcher who gives up on the network (Breitbart is saying they lost half a million subscribers in April), and it is now routine for Hollywood studios to arrange to buy blocks of their own tickets.

  220. Ron Unz says:
    @Rich

    After an exhaustive search, I have been unable to find a single IQ test that separates Ashkenazi Jews in the US or Europe that shows a higher IQ than anyone else.

    Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. Prof. Richard Lynn, dean of all the IQists, wrote an entire book about Jewish ability, in which he included 32 separate tests of Jewish-American IQ he had managed to locate, of varied degrees of validity, whose fascinating historical pattern I discussed in one of my columns:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/#p_1_8

    Based on everything I’ve seen, I’d say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average. However, numerous other white sub-populations, mostly far greater in size, also have IQs well above the white average. So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish. Jews are certainly well above average, but not *that* much above average…

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Lot
    , @Svigor
  221. Interestingly, an equus named (((Mendelssohn))) is a contender and, in some quarters, a fav. in the Kentucky Derby to be run this weekend. By ancestry and sentiment, I’d prefer the horse named after Hofburg. Another, named Vino Rosso, reminds me of standing, sans shoes, on a cool-to-the-touch, Italian marble floor, looking down on Italian goings-on. With a real cig and some local red wine (from the cellar’s barriques… as an ami I thought “carboy” or something). But horses ain’t people.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  222. @Jack D

    You make some good points Jack and I agree with whichever commenter commended you for being willing to go back and forth with some of the folks here.

    However even if your explanations for the Jewish over-representation in the Ivy’s fully captures the reasons (and I don’t think they do) that doesn’t change the fact you can’t have it both ways (2nd person you, not first person). All the disparate impact nonsense that is now a guiding creed in our country rests on the assumption that reasons do not matter. All that matters is the numbers. Over-representation is, ipso facto, proof of racism, discrimination, women-hating, whatever badness.

    And unfortunately, it would seem that Jews are over-represented among those arguing that “disparate impact” is a legitimate way to measure discrimination.

  223. Rich says:
    @Ron Unz

    I spent a great deal of time looking into Mr Lynn’s claims, and it turns out, at least from the research I did, he based Ashkenazi IQ on estimates. I’d be more than happy to argue the methodology of the test, which was my original thesis, that the Ashkenazi chosen for the test would be from upper to upper middle class, urban/suburban areas, where all White test takers would probably average around 110, but I couldn’t find the test. You’d think such a test would be easy to find, I’d think it would be a symbol of pride for those who claim Ashkenazi background, but after spending way too much of my time looking, the only test I could find was the one from the Israeli Army, which didn’t separate out Ashkenazi from Sephardic and gave 95 as the result.

    From my inability to locate a test, and for the data to be proven we’d need more than one test, I think that high Ashkenazi IQ is just another ethnic myth. If you find the test, I’d appreciate letting me know, because I’ve been making this argument about there being no actual test for some time, and to date, no one has produced one.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  224. Lot says:
    @Frankie P

    First, how should gentiles who are aware of this phenomenon and see it as a threat react?

    What is the actual threat? It is the Third World invasion, or the ethnic background of its advocates? What I think the really big question is, does it make sense for American whites concerned about the invasion to declare Jews our implacable enemies? For so many reasons, the answer is no, that we are slowly losing and need all the help we can get and as broad a coalition as we can manage.

    Is it acceptable for them to speak out about it? … Do you feel that those gentiles have been trained to self-censor? Is that acceptable?

    Acceptable is kind of vague, but I don’t want to censor anyway. Self-censorship however is part of being a mature adult. I think it would be best if someone finds they have strong feelings about Jews to ask themselves if it would help or hurt what they care about to express them.

    Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?

    Nationalist Jews unfortunately lack the ability to make anti-white Jews shut up. My general prescription for white Americans is the same regardless of ethnic background: have children, be a good person and a good citizen, make an example of your virtue, save your income, avoid all conspicuous consumption, and be politically engaged where you can be most effective. In terms of concrete steps to stop the invasion, I hope people who might be qualified seriously consider applying for an executive branch position with Trump, for a job in law enforcement, or for a job within our immigration bureaucracy.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Svigor
    , @JSM
  225. Ron Unz says:
    @Lot

    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate…And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    Ha, ha… Let me guess, your ethnicity—like that of “Whiskey”—is mostly “Scots-Irish.” Longtime readers of Steve’s blog will get that joke.

    My entire corpus of articles, well over 500,000 words, is available on this website, and I very much doubt that more than about 5% of it deals with Jews or Israel. Furthermore, relatively few of my comments here happen to touch on those subjects either, the main exception being when I happen to notice Jewish-activists—err “Scots-Irish” activists—such as yourself issuing ridiculous denunciations of my Meritocracy analysis.

    If you indeed have as little personal connection with or interest for Jewish/Israel issues as you claim, then your seeming focus on the existence of superlative Jewish intelligence—all actual evidence to the contrary—is certainly a puzzlement…

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Captain Tripps
  226. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    there are certain network effects involving certain high profile industries. Just as Cambodians dominate the donut trade, Jews just happened to be in the right place at the right time to dominate the film industry

    Network effect: “Sure, we dominate finance, politics, healthcare, and media, but Cambodians have their donut shops, Koreans laundromats and wig shops in vibrant neighborhoods, Hispanics lawn maintenance, and the blue-eyed blondes their small farms (i.e. being peasants). See, everyone networks. Everyone gets something.”

    IQ

    Question: Why do Jews get so many good spots?
    Answer: Because we have high IQ!
    Another question: What about the gentile whites and Asians?
    Answer: Sacrifices must be made for social harmony and make spaces available for the downtrodden blacks and Hispanics! You think that’s unfair? What are you, some kind of a racist? Where do you work?

    • Agree: Brutusale
    • LOL: Svigor
    • Replies: @Moses
  227. @Jack D

    After my flippant comment (just a dig at Steve and his golf) above, I had wanted to reply to you after your 2nd or so comment with some serious stuff. The next I checked, the thread was >200 comments long, and I have not read many yet. I’ll just write what I wanted to say here, in reply.

    You’re an erudite and learned man, I can tell, Jack, so I’m sure you know some of the history of the build-up to the atrocities in Nazi Germany. I happen to have some personal information on it, aside from doing a lot of history reading over the last 15 years or so (used to hate history). It just comes down to the same thing I’ve been writing on another subject: You don’t keep backing people into a corner. I’m referring to the way Germany was treated after WWI and the Wiemar Republic, and a pendulum that was let to swing WAY TOO FAR the other way.

    The great too-deep-to-climb-out-of financial hole that Germany was forced into after the Great War, causing ridiculous hyperinflation, along with the great cultural degradations during the Wiemar years, was not by any means all the Jews’ fault. It’s just that they were a part of it, and because they hadn’t assimilated into the culture well (which is typical) they became the best scapegoats. In addition, being smart with money, they were a disproportionate number of the people who came out with riches, or at least kept their wealth, during the hyperinflation. That doesn’t look good to people who have lost everything they worked for, in the banks, no matter that it was just good foresight on the Jews’ part.

    The last piece of this “perfect storm” of persecution was the way the German society let one man, and a partially-mad man at that, get to a position of absolute power. It wouldn’t have gone as far as it did without him.

    (Getting long – I’m gonna continue this in a minute…)

  228. @Jack D

    Japan has a much lower number of lawyers per capita than the U.S. Do you feel that their society would improve if they had more? It seems to me they manage to resolve their disputes more effectively than we do, and that their justice system functions quite well. They also have a much less prominent finance industry and (I assume) fewer I-bankers per capita as well. Would they be better off with more?

    Simply because people find themselves in a situation where the structure of society makes them obligated to pay for something does not mean that that thing advances their own personal interests or those of society in general. Money and value are not the same thing but your post appears to conflate them. Of course this is very common among Americans; for example constantly crowing about GDP. GDP is an extremely poor metric for the well being of a society: things like total life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. are much better metrics since they are based on actual physical reality.

    It’s pretty strange that “No one actually wants lawyering, investment bankers” etc. If no one wants them, why do they exist and get paid so well?

    Please tell me you are a high school student masquerading as a lawyer. Put the Fountainhead away please.

    You have heard the term ‘rent-seeking?’ Like when Disney pays some lobbyists to get congress to extend copyright terms, and then pays some lawyers to enforce these extended copyright terms, lots of people get paid. Lawyers get paid. Disney gets paid. But the net result for society is bad; society is deprived of works that should have been public domain. This is just one example. This is why no one likes I-bankers, lawyers, etc.: because they frequently do not provide value to society. They are parasites. They are not always parasites, but often they are. Simply because what they do is legal and well paid does not change the fact that they are parasites.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Yan Shen
  229. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    First, there is a geographic diversity preference that results in an admission bump to the heavily non-Jewish residents of the low-population Western states

    You mean like children of Jewish doctors and university administrators from Iowa City accounting for 2/3 of all admitees from all of Iowa, as happened at my Ivy alma mater one year?

    What you wrote above is extremely disingenuous. I know because I worked at admissions one year at my undergrad alma mater.

  230. @Kibernetika

    Mendelssohn has Irish connections too. The dreaded double.

    I’m putting ten on My Boy Jack, for the name (very Ozzie, a famous ozzie novel of a similar title) and the juicy odds at 30-1.

    Interesting too that its name is based on the Kipling poem; Kipling being an iSteve sentimental favourite.

  231. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish.

    Depends on where the cut-off for “high IQ” is. Using your 110 Jewish mean and a 25-1 ratio, at the 160+ IQ level the breakdown will be 64.8% non-Jewish and 35.2% Jewish.

    At the 170 level it becomes 54.7% non-Jewish and 46.3% Jewish. And there are still hundreds of Americans at that 170+ level, and they likely are well represented in science Nobel winners and founders of large computer companies.

  232. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Jews were already prominent in the theater before there was a film industry. It was a natural step for them. There was nothing accidental about it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  233. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    So just check the black box unles you have an Italian name in which case check the Hispanic box

  234. @Jack D

    (Continued from my 1st reply to this Jack D. comment – #211)

    Why is it that the Jewish people in America, especially those with great influence (via media, university positions, government, etc.) have been pushing the left-wing socialist crap for so long?* Is it going to work out good for them? Nah, first, I don’t think it is part of any grand plan. Secondly, I don’t think that above average intelligence equates to really understanding the unintended (for the most part) havoc that some of these social changes will result in.

    I will say right here, since this is a Steve Sailer post (article, in this case) that I have read his stuff before in which he really tries to explain this to any Jewish influential people who may be reading, through no fault of their own ;-} I am not even paraphrasing, but just remembering that the gist of it has been: Do you all really know the endgame of some of this political and social change you’ve been pushing? Why would you not give the white non-elites a break sometime, as what will happen if this benign, Jewish-friendly white middle class is destroyed? Can you just lay off the agitation, for the sake of our and your country? It’s not snarky either, and I remember thinking after reading Mr. Sailer’s last couple of paragraphs of a similar Takimag article: I really wish they would not get offended and just heed this guy.

    As bright as people may be, the instigators of the scourges of feminism, socialism, civil-rights-racism, and all of it are just not WISE ENOUGH during their college agitation years to know that they are wrong about this stuff. Why they continue supporting the destruction of the American culture even in later life, when in positions of power is another question.

    * I don’t think there’s any denying this by anyone who does any reading of election and other polls results. The Jewish people lean heavily leftist, albeit with the remainder that are politically aware having plenty of conservative/libertarian views.

    (will continue with one more reply comment …)

  235. @SimpleSong

    America has always had a lot of lawyers at the top: John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln, etc. Likewise, the American frontier had no shortage of lawyers.

  236. @lavoisier

    Very good. Now how to we realize your program?

  237. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ha, ha… Let me guess, your ethnicity—like that of “Whiskey”—is mostly “Scots-Irish.”

    No, like most Americans of my generation, it is not “mostly” anything.

    I very much doubt that more than about 5% of it deals with Jews or Israel

    What do you think the share of the parts of the website you don’t write?

    Here’s another quick question for you. Do you think Unz.com has more articles that are primarily about Israel or the combined total of articles about Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria?

    the main exception being when I happen to notice Jewish-activists—err “Scots-Irish” activists—such as yourself issuing ridiculous denunciations of my Meritocracy analysis

    It’s OK man, I said I don’t judge you for the Jew obsession. It happens. Lots of people who don’t care much one way or another about the Jews republish Kevin MacDonald and listen to Red Ice.

  238. @Jack D

    We declare drug dealing to be illegal because we feel that its social detriments outweigh its social benefits

    We need to open our borders to undocumented pharmacists. They are market-driven entrepreneurs. CAPITALISM you know. Or Capitalism if you prefer. They are the best and brightest of a new generation of the undocumented. How dare you presume to judge that they don’t provide benefits!

  239. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Edison, Bell, etc. spent a surprising amount of their time, effort and money on patent fights.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  240. @Jack D

    (Continued from my 2nd reply to Jack D. – comment #211.)

    Let me try to answer the question I posed in my previous comment. The 1st answer is that the large amount of Jewish immigration from eastern Europe in the 1890′s – 1920′s simply brought lots of people with socialist/Commie views to the country. I don’t know how that all started back in the old country, but the name Karl Marx rings a bell. The descendants of these people would tend to keep these views more than descendants of other ethnic groups because this particular group always has had a deep interest in politics.

    That leads to the 2nd answer, though even more speculative, I guess:

    One massive difference between the Jewish religion and Christianity is that Christianity says that one cannot get to heaven via good works alone. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think many religious Jewish people would believe this. They will feel throughout their lives, that they must do good in some way, possibly more intensely than their Christian peers.

    Many may just work hard at a job that requires intelligence, and that’s a good thing for their adopted society. However, the type that, as a young man, thinks he must change the world politically is the one that get involved in all the stupid social causes, again, not having the wisdom to realize that maybe his elders are not all dumb reactionaries.

    What of the ethnic Jewish elites who are atheists, and I guess there are many? That would go back to the 1st answer, as these political attitudes just keep passing down from one generation to the next.

    What in hell this has to do with your comment # 211, Jack, is that it seems like the regular American people are getting pushed into the corner with all this BS. This time, Jewish people are a significant fraction of the people responsible. There is no call for this business. It’s not good for any of us, if the pendulum swings too hard back the other way.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  241. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The USA exports legal services. Not unusual for a German company entering into a contract with Mexico to have a contract that says any dispute will be resolved in US courts or arbitration under American law. It is a larger version of how American companies that have nothing to do with Delaware agree to resolve things under Delaware law.

  242. @Jack D

    Same with the Wright Brothers vs. Glenn Curtiss.

  243. @Lot

    I suppose next you’ll be calling him a self-hating Jew?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @donut
    , @Lot
  244. Thea says:
    @Jack D

    Celebrating our becoming a minority in our homeland, driving us out of important positions, losing our jobs and therefore ability to feed our children for criticizing Jewish power are skating awfully close. So you’d like us to wait till they imitate Hitler’s actions exactly I suppose.

  245. @Joe862

    The smart people are overwhelmingly “liberal” and the ones championing the dysgenic policies. How smart is that?

    Smart people are susceptible to propaganda. The beauty of America is that there are ‘non-smart’ people that don’t accept the notion that a cow-pie topped with frosting is yummie. Many of the ‘non-smart’ have high IQs, but were uninterested in ‘education’ as offered in public schools. They voted for Trump because they were not educated beyond their intelligence. Liberals, OTOH, are, by and large, educated beyond their intelligence.

    We are in a death match. But to dismiss intelligence assumes that you can win on numbers. We don’t have the numbers. We must tread the Paths of the Dead, and use intelligence. We can, because we must. If you don’t see the sight of the gallows, you are looking at your feet.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Joe862
  246. Marcus D. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Ok, but the explosion in the number of important Ashkenazi intellectuals in the 19th is a enormous phenomena. And it’s independent from previous Sephardic intellectuals, because they were from a different population.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  247. Boethiuss says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    I see lots of people have chimed in already. That said, let’s stipulate that the actions to be undertaken would be good one. Even so, let me just say that you still have the same problems as you have with negotiating with terrorists: a lot of the time, there’s nobody to cut a deal with. Who does Gentile America talk to so that Seth Levy from Brooklyn knows that he shouldn’t be gratuitously trashing white Americans from Oklahoma and accusing them of racism?

    This deal may even be a good thing if it comes to exist, but to my mind it’s a significant mistake to be looking in this sort of direction. Instead we should be looking to strengthen our own solidarity above all else. That’s what will get us better terms to the extent such things are explicitly negotiated, or more likely, more resources to handle things when they’re not.

    And for that, the biggest, most comprehensive institution we have to express the solidarity of Americans for Americans is the Republican Party. For those who are more racially conscious than I am, it is the Republican Party which is most associated as the political expression of white Gentile America, not least by white Gentile Americans themselves.

    Like other occasions when the chips are down, this is a situation to be thinking more about our means than our wants.

  248. @YetAnotherAnon

    There is a tendency (greater among Jews than other whites IMHO) to up sticks and head where the money is. Whites generally get attached to the place they were raised in, so they may leave, but still think of the place as home.

    That’s actually much less true in America than in Europe. Cheap gas (not burdened by 200+% taxes typically levied in Europe) and pervasive ownership of automobiles probably have something to do with it. Long after the closing of the frontier, a recurrent theme in popular culture involves not simply moves to the nearest big city, but to a city on the other side of the continent. We think nothing of sending our kids to college hundreds of miles away.

    The residents of moribund towns aren’t moving to a foreign country with different customs and languages – they’re typically moving to a city they’ve visited and may be no more than 100 miles away. Compared to their forebears who moved across an entire ocean over a typical 40-day voyage, braving unpredictable storms and shipborne diseases, and had to fight off both New World diseases and Stone Age savages once they arrived, their challenges are trivial.

  249. Ron Unz says:
    @Rich

    I spent a great deal of time looking into Mr Lynn’s claims, and it turns out, at least from the research I did, he based Ashkenazi IQ on estimates.

    I’ll admit I never looked beyond the numbers in Lynn’s table and the interesting historical trend since he’s the world’s foremost compiler of IQ lists and the issue was rather peripheral to me. However, it’s certainly clear that the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is far above that of Sephardic ones, and I think that much of the remaining US/Israeli gap is also explained by socio-economic factors, which I think I demonstrated have far greater impact on IQ scores than is generally acknowledged in HBD circles:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    And although it’s certainly possible that Lynn’s Jewish samples aren’t representative, I really wonder how many of the hundreds of other IQ samples he’s collected are all that representative either. There’s really a huge amount of fuzziness in all these IQ figures floating around.

    Incidentally, just yesterday I announced I was adding a “Controversial” Books section to this website, and I’m pleased to say that Lynn has given me his Jewish IQ book to include. Here’s the link, and everyone can read about Jewish international achievements to your heart’s content:

    http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/

    • Replies: @Rich
  250. Vinteuil says:

    “Based on everything I’ve seen, I’d say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average”

    Based on plenty of experience, I’d guess that’s probably about right.

  251. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Hope I live to see the day. I live in the most non White immigrant state, California. From what I’ve seen, the Hispanic, black and Asian politicians and judges are totally under the thumb of the Jewish politicians and attorneys

    As long as Jews rule the politicians I doubt the clergy, business community and the rest of the non Whites will be able to resist Jewish power.

    Jews recruit the politicians in college and put them in power as long as they obey the Jews. The Jews don’t wait for a 3o year old attorney to run for city council or school board and recruit him her for congress or Mayor.

    The Jews look for their puppets in college when they are 18 or 19.

    Just look at the list of donors to every campaign in the big important states.

    Whites lost to affirmative action in 1968. It’s time Whites just go underground and check black in the application.

    We are the untouchables and are treated as such.

  252. SFG says:

    Not being a disinterested party [ )))one half))) if anyone was wondering] you can take my comments with the usual shaker of salt, but I figure after 200 comments I can give my personal opinion:

    1. Some, but not all, of Jewish success is due to a higher IQ, particularly verbal (but mathematical helps too). The rest is urbanization, a physically white mean phenotype (more important before the 1970s or so), and ethnic nepotism (it helps to have a successful group to network with, so this feeds together with the others). IQ is not enough to give you 3 of the 8 richest men in the world (and 3 of 6 Americans among them).

    2. Most Jews are OK enough with gentile whites to intermarry with them. The obsession with Jewish babies and nasty screeds about shiksas you see on Jewish websites are a reaction to this reality. However, they intermarry into the most liberal and urban sections of the white population, so the political needle tends to move little over time. And don’t forget the liberal and urban gentile segments like to look down on their conservative rural brethren too.

    3. As a result, the net effect of Jewish liberalism is to further strengthen the hand of the urban liberal half of the white population, and to give it some preoccupations you wouldn’t otherwise see (it explains why the Democratic Party is pro-Israel, for instance). But you see the same ethnomasochism in Europe, which has a much smaller Jewish population. Sure Celler was behind the treason of 1965…but so were Hart and Kennedy.

    4. Still, Jews are disproportionately represented along the political spectrum *everywhere except the populist right*–the elitist right and left and populist left have plenty of Jews. So getting heckled in the NYT by people like Michelle Goldberg and hearing ‘fellow white people’ remarks from the likes of Sarah Silverman and Tim Wise and Yascha Mounk leads people to draw the obvious conclusion. It is funny how the (((Breitbart editors))), (((Matt Drudge))), and similar people never come up in these discussions, but yes, Jews are disproportionately represented on the globalist side of the globalist-nationalist divide.

    I’ve come to the conclusion would-be alt-Jews should bring the gospel back to the tribe, particularly neocon types who have at least ditched the identity of left. Yes, they are obsessed with Israel. There is no reason both the USA and Israel cannot both have strong borders. If you have an internet platform, acknowledge our relatives are up to no good and make an effort to differentiate yourself. You don’t have to sling parentheses and adopt Pepe memes–Anglin won’t like you anyway. It doesn’t have to be the focus of your blog, and probably shouldn’t be anyway. Yes, Michelle Goldberg and Bret Stephens are [censored]. You’re not Michelle or Bret. They exist. They are annoying. You are for immigration restriction and traditional values, or whatever else your hobbyhorse is.

    If you can’t risk being ‘out’ on the Internet, and that’s most of us, Jewish or otherwise, you can talk to your family and friends and volunteer for the GOP if you have the time. Your local group may be cucked; fine, you can help shift the balance. Most Americans are neither SJWs nor alt-right and have little understanding of the difference on the right between National Review, Reason, Breitbart, this blog, and the Daily Stormer, being more interested in their families and careers. As a member of a traditionally liberal group your words may carry a little more weight with neutrals or liberals starting to wonder if all this PC stuff is as great as everyone makes it out to be.

    And remember, donations under $199 aren’t required to be reported, and you don’t have to tell your boss or your pollster if you voted for Trump. ;)

    My personal strategy of late has been to quit obsessing over this sort of thing, work out, and do my best to find someone I can shift the demographic needle a little in the right direction with. Good luck to you all.

    • Agree: benjaminl, Luke Lea
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Svigor
  253. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil

    I wonder what he would think of the idea that miscegenation is the only solution to the “Jewish question.”

    Jewish women have been flocking to black men for decades. Now Jewish men are also starting to marry black women. And the gay ones are even more into blacks. Every gay white man dreams of having a black boyfriend/husband, and every white lesbian wants a black wife.

    It’s not a bad idea if you think about it. Average Jewish IQ is 105, average black IQ is 85, so their children will have an average IQ of 95, not smart enough to dominate yet less prone to violence. I think this trend should be encouraged.

  254. Rich says:
    @Ron Unz

    I agree with you that socio-economic conditions probably have a very high impact on IQ scores. There does seem to be a significant differences between Caucasian and Negro IQ which may have some genetic component, but in the end, how smart does a person need to be in order to prosper and live a good life? We’ve all known the guy who did poorly in school, but through hard work and perseverance, was able to become a great success. And the flip side of that, I’m acquainted with several people who were super smart in school, high IQ, high grades, who had a lot of difficulty in life and aren’t all that successful.

    IQ is interesting, but I’m bothered by individuals who want to use it, without actual evidence, as proof of their superiority. Or in many cases, with excuses for their lack of success.

  255. KevinB says:

    How many 130 IQ in a population using standard normal table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_normal_table
    SD =15

    2010 census data
    323,127,513 current total US population
    323,127,513 x 70% = 226 million. Whites
    323,127,513 x 2.5% = 8 million. Jews
    323,127,513 x 12.6% = 41 million. Blacks

    Case one. –IQ mean =98. Whites
    130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13SD. z= 0.9834
    226 million x (1-.9834) = 3,751,600
    1 in 60 white population
    1 in 86 general population

    Case two –IQ mean =105. Jews (assumption 1)
    130-105 = 25, 25/15 = 1.67SD. z= 0.9525
    8 million x (1-.9525) = 380,000
    1 in 21 Jewish population
    1 in 850 general population
    Should be 9.9 times as many Whites as Jews in high IQ occupations

    Case three –IQ mean =110. Jews (assumption 2)
    130 – 110 = 22, 22/15 = 1.47SD. z= 0.9292
    8 million x (1-0.9292) = 566,400
    1 in 14 Jewish population
    1 in 570 general population
    Should be 6.6 times as many Whites as Jews in high IQ occupations

    Case four –IQ mean =86. Blacks
    130 – 86 = 44, 44/15 = 2.93SD z = 0.9983
    41 million x (1-0.9983) = 69,700
    1 in 588 Black population
    1 in 4,636 general population
    Should be 54 times as many Whites as Blacks in high IQ occupations

    So, for example, based on IQ in a best case scenario, using seven movie studios as proxies, there should be at least 6 gentiles running these enterprises.
    Looking at Ivy enrollments, there is even a more pronounced disparity in results. Based on IQ alone, there should be a handful of Blacks enrolled in the Ivy league.

    Something is definitely wrong here.

  256. Dissident says:
    @Stick

    Its really too bad that it cannot be discussed on Takimag.

    Why? What advantage did commenting at Taki Mag have over commenting here at Unz?

  257. 3g4me says:
    @AnotherDad

    @78 Another Dad: “What we American whites need from the Jews is . . .”

    I really, really hesitated to add any of my thoughts to this thread, because I’m tired of the subject, bored with the utterly predictable responses from all the predictable commenters, and I’m generally tired of the endless re-arranging of deck chairs on Weimerica which Steve’s commentariat seems to find so engaging.

    However, you often make interesting comments and come across as a genuinely good-hearted, honest, and well-meaning gentleman, so I’m going to make my attempt to make sense of all this in a way that you might understand and agree with (presuming I don’t give up halfway, and that Steve passes along whatever I write, and that you then even read it).

    The whole standard “Is it IQ, or is it ethic activism” debate, or the “hostile elite” debate just endlessly churn the water and no one ever convinces anyone else to change his mind. More importantly, both approaches entirely miss and/or skip over the most important points re the issue of Jews vs. Americans (or Indians vs. Americans or Mexicans vs. Americans).

    I would suggest that the whole issue comes down to the question of values – as you seem to address in comment 104 (re what you ultimately want in life). What is important, what must be retained, what can be altered, what can be gained. Any immigrant to America, of any background, impacts each of these issues in a fundamental way. Given that the nation was founded by primarily Anglo-Saxon settlers (yes, there were some Germans, and some French, and even a tiny sprinkling of Jews that others will fixate on, but even if merely for convenience’s sake let’s agree the nation was primarily founded by and for White, Christian Englishmen).

    Let’s also agree, regardless of the Founders’ intent (again,minus the usual pilpul debate and wrangling and misstatements and inaccuracies and even outright lies), America experienced various waves of immigration that dramatically altered its character and nature. The immigrant and various ethnic advocates will argue that, ultimately, ‘their people’ added to or enriched America. The so-called ‘nativists’ will argue America already had a culture and character and all changes haven’t been beneficial. There’s usually a continuum there, with someone sure to mention Italian food or Irish politicians or Jewish medical discoveries.

    Underlying all these arguments is the question of America’s character and values: Did it have either, did the immigrants alter either or add to either, and was the ultimate amalgamation one all can live with and value. To put it in starker terms, it’s a question of ‘value added.’ Were all the changes ultimately worth it? Again, the usual parties make the usual arguments. Despite massive propaganda to the contrary, there was a nascent movie industry in California that was not Jewish . . . and, for various reasons, the Jews did succeed in monopolizing and controlling that business. Jack D will say it was due to Jewish ‘genius’ and creativity; others will blame it all on ethnic networking. But both ignore the question: Did America have to have Jews to have a movie industry? Without Jewish immigrants, would no one else have joined the fray? Would the ultimate product perhaps have been better? Worse? Certainly different. Jack is arguing that Jews added value – movies, Tin Pan Alley, medical discoveries, etc. He sees Jews as having given to America, rather than having taken – so ultimately no real ‘thanks’ or feeling of having been given a gift by being allowed in is necessary. That argument rests on the assumption that America had a ‘moral duty’ to allow in people in need, and a legal framework that planned for and assumed massive and disparate immigrants. In short, the zeroth amendment was either specified or implied by the Founders and the Jews have immeasurably enriched America, despite anti-semitism and being kept out of certain clubs and some narrow-minded people not wanting the competition – so the balance sheet, if anything, is tilted in their favor. The crime, or nepotistic hiring, or political activism, or even ‘misunderstandings’ like the Liberty or Jonathan
    Pollard are exaggerated and really only isolated and cherry-picked incidents. Value added.

    You could recast this with any immigrant group – and each ethnic advocate does so. Orientals insist that without them, we’d never have had the western railroads (the Irish worked on the eastern half), and they’re all high IQ and it was pure racism that caused their earlier exclusion, and again – value added. Restaurants, donut shops, nail salons, Harvard grads – all pluses. Any ethnic nepotism or financial crime or treasonous espionage is exaggerated and, again, no thanks are owed.

    Negroes say America was built on slave labor and racism. The Negro population increase, or arguments about health or opportunities here absent in Africa are irrelevant. Value added.

    Sub-continentals feel they’ve built the IT industry. Again, high IQ versus racism and prejudice and lazy American parents. Value added, they claim.

    Ultimately, all these disparate groups claim America was and is a communal product. That without their people and contributions, America would be less. But would it? It would unquestionably be different. But that’s the crux of the matter – different or less? Value added or tensions and crime added? Medical advances versus Harvard hogging? In every case, the immigrants assume that America would not have certain things without them, presuming that the population (whether merely Anglo-Saxon founders, or northern European immigrants overall, or even merely White Christian immigrants of every sort) would not have been able to develop a particular industry or make a certain discovery or simply be lacking something without them. They have staked their claim, and argue that any America that might have been, without them, would have been lesser, diminished, and either way, America now is a collaborative product and all are equally vital ingredients.

    All these arguments rest on the assumption that a particular group of immigrants brought something special and unique, that would not have existed without them. That is, at heart, the basis for civic nationalism – that each group added value and we all have an equal stake in the resultant whole. But those of us who oppose them and their view of America fundamentally disagree. Without Mexicans, White kids could still cut lawns and workers would still build houses or roofs – the industry existed before them and would exist without them – as well as without “press 2 for English” and gangbangers and Mariachi music and tacos (ugh!). Without Jews, we’d still sing Christmas songs – but they’d celebrate Jesus rather than snow- and we’d still have movies and medical discoveries and perhaps some White Christians at Harvard – which, after all, was founded without either Jews or Orientals, amazingly enough.

    White, Christian America was not lacking, and the various additions have ultimately degraded the whole, rather than enriched it. That is the nationalist viewpoint. That immigrants did not have to be allowed in, were all replaceable, and ultimately would have achieved nothing – high IQ or work ethic or food or family aside – without the basis of ordered liberty, self reliance, civic society, and rule of law provided by the founding group. Immigrants and their descendants ought to be grateful to America – which existed before and without them. Did the Scandinavian farmers come because they felt a primal need for Jewish comics? Did the Italians immigrate because they knew America was or would be the home of Jewish medical advancements?

    Some argue that even those other Europeans brought alien and divisive ideas – communalism – and lacked/lack a fundamental understanding of and appreciation for “the rights of Englishmen.” Others feel Catholicism brought unwanted division and alien beliefs and folkways. There are literally hundreds of variant views, of course, but ultimately the nationalists feel America – original America – was and is the ultimate gift and goal. That any immigrants were ultimately not value added, but value lost – lost common prayers, common values, common goals (let alone common language). The immigrants claim they are both better than ‘us’ (smarter, harder working, etc.) and simultaneously becoming the same as ‘us’ (the Jews’ lament re intermarriage, Twinkie’s pride in his half-White children, etc.). They cannot and do not envision an America that does not include them. But many of us remember different times, when doors didn’t have to be locked and everyone spoke the same language and celebrated the same heritage – even if it wasn’t strictly, technically, genetically ‘ours’. We all claimed Washington and Jefferson and pilgrims and settlers as our own – not altering them or adding to them or claiming they never really were – but acknowledging our debt to them for the gift of America.

    These, I would argue, are the underlying – and inimical beliefs. There is really no ‘middle ground,’ as the civic nationalists would argue there is, because to accept that any group of immigrants enriched America is to accept, implicitly, that America pre-whatever group was somehow lacking. That unenriched America would never have developed “x” without group “y.” So the arguments go round and round, with nativists wondering whence the ungrateful whining and dumping on racistevilbad Whites, and the immigrants wondering how the nativists could even imagine a successful or prosperous nation without their unique gifts.

    There is no squaring this circle, pace Steve and all the good will he can offer. These are diametrically opposed views of America and immigration. One either celebrates the value-added America or laments the loss of the ‘unenriched’ America. To do both requires acceptance of an America that is not what it was or, I would argue, was intended to be. It would require all immigrants to let go of their special languages and religions and cultures and celebrate their purported similarities – with a little bit of ethnic flavor added or exemptions for the most (((special))). That is the future that Twinkie and Jack D and others tell us can be – and, they argue, ought to be worked towards and celebrated. The other side, which I unapologetically argue for, is the America that was and could have and should have been. That is what ought to be fought for and, even if doesn’t end up including me or mine, is a thing of value on its own that I celebrate more than myself.

    So enriched America? Value-added America? Multicultural America?

    Or original America, White Christian America, the Founders’ America?

    Pick one.

  258. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    This is a terrible “deal.” They are never going to stop blaming us until they have someone else to wrongly blame. I’m not sure that “overrepresentation” itself ever mattered, so this means censoring all anti-establishment policy discussion, in exchange for a peope obsessed by tribal hatreds promising they won’t hate us.
    The thing to do is call the bluff.
    Nepotism isn’t really nepotism (the implied accusation of incompetence) when your brother’s a Yalie.
    No Jew who has real qualifications should worry about accusations.
    And as for whites not being good for anything, let it all burn. I’m sure the Nation of Islam can fix a power grid.
    All Jewish discussions are always obscured by a moved goalpost (criticizing Israel is a referendum on whether or not all Jews everywhere should breathe, complaints about Jewish scamming are a failure to appreciate “genius,” etc), and it looks like the point of this “deal” is to deliberately fail to get the joke.

  259. Moses says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In essence, they maximize the brains that they have and push for success in a way that non-Jews don’t. And, of course, some of their success might be looking out for each other at opportune times.

    Anyone who has done business with Jews has experienced this. I certainly have.

    Their population mean for behavior of this kind is well to the right of Whites.

  260. Hibernian says:
    @Forbes

    He demonstrated the cruelty of Calvinism to a people who later diasporized throughout the English speaking world.

  261. Moses says:
    @Twinkie

    Your comments often cut to the heart of the matter, Twinkie. I enjoy them. Keep writing.

  262. Moses says:
    @Lot

    It’s OK man, I said I don’t judge you for the Jew obsession. It happens. Lots of people who don’t care much one way or another about the Jews republish Kevin MacDonald and listen to Red Ice.

    “Jew obsession.”

    Yep, Fellow White. No doubt about it. Nothing wrong with that btw, except for the misrepresentation. Doesn’t confirm any stereotypes at all.

  263. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    With a birthrate of only 1.9 children and an astoundingly high intermarriage rate, American Jewry is on a train speeding headlong into self-destruction.

    For the sake of America’s survival, I hope this prediction is right, and happens sooner rather than later.

  264. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    When confronted with the facts on what their people are doing, some will deny it by claiming they’re all over the spectrum, not just the left, or they are only 2% , or, if they recognize the damage, that they are not acting as a cohesive group plotting and planning to do wrong, like the Elders of the Zion.

    While technically correct, none of these is really a good defense. 2% in the right places, with the right influence can have a huge impact. This is largely achieved by multiplying their influence, either through controlling the Overton window on what can be discussed, or by controlling academia and the media and entertainment and deceiving the masses, esp. the young/impressionable to make them follow their ideas. In addition, money can directly be used to multiply influence- clearly visible in all the politicians getting their 30 pieces of silver who step in line behind anything that benefits Israel, regardless of the impact on the US.

    Being all over the spectrum/not acting as a cohesive group, is also not a good defense, when a group that wields disproportionate influence is dramatically lopsided towards a side that is destroying our country. One can make a claim that not all blacks are supporters of Democrats, either, but it’s hardly convincing anyone that black voting patterns aren’t having a negative impact on this country via the destructive trends of the Democratic party, even when pointing out notable blacks such as Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Candace Owens who buck the trend. And not acting as a cohesive group hatching a plot doesn’t matter either, when the impact is still significant and negative. Again, we can look at blacks as an example. Probably around 3/4 are not committing crimes, and most of those of working age (est. around 85-90% based on recent unemployment trends), outside of prison have a job, yet the numbers of criminals and handout recipients among blacks still creates enough problems to make places that have significant numbers of blacks an unlivable mess. No one would argue that most blacks as a societal group are cohesively plotting to create the crimes that dominate, such as theft, rape, murder, nor are they plotting together as a societal level group to tear down their cities. Yet the net effect is that enough of them acting by their individual behaviors which are disproportionately negative, create a major problem for the societies where they live.

    Some who recognize the damage even go so far as to claim that, well, on the balance, they have been a force of good. While it’s undeniable that some positive benefits from the Tribe such as some inventions, have occurred, it is not so clear that the white man wasn’t doing just fine creating and achieving without their help for many centuries, while creating the best societies on Earth. We may have been a bit more delayed, on the other hand the drag of the idiotic leftist policies on the West has had a huge negative influence on our progress, so it’s not clear we’d be any further behind in net. What’s more, it’s clearly killing the West. So praise the benefits bestowed on us all you want- If someone gave you a bag full of money but fatally wounded you, it really wouldn’t matter how much you stuffed into that bag- a billion dollars, $100 trillion dollars- if you die it is meaningless.

  265. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Because their life depends on it. Intensity, activism and nepotism and then some not so apathetic gentiles like Cochran, Murray, Derbyshire and Sailer also help.

    You can criticize the Jews or the blacks, but not both. Criticizing blacks will get you kicked off msm, but you can still go on conservative media. Criticizing Jews will mean the end of your existence in any public sphere, even conservative media like American Conservative, National Review, Breitbart won’t want anything to do with you, because they are still either Jew run or live in fear of Jews. Jews control both sides of the debate. There’s nowhere to run. The only place Philip Giraldi gets published is on Unz.

    The only people who are allowed to publicly criticize Jews and get away with it are blacks. On Daily Caller today there was an article about BLM saying if you have hate Israel or you are a racist, because Israel is an apartheid state. If any non-black said that he/she would be dead meat.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/black-lives-matter-isreal-racist/

    • Replies: @utu
  266. KevinB says:

    How many 130 IQ or greater in a population using standard normal table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_normal_table
    SD =15

    2010 census data
    323,127,513 current total US population
    323,127,513 x 70% = 226 million. Whites
    323,127,513 x 2.5% = 8 million. Jews
    323,127,513 x 12.6% = 41 million. Blacks

    Case one. –IQ mean =98. Whites
    130-98 = 32, 32/15 = 2.13SD. z= 0.9834
    226 million x (1-.9834) = 3,751,600
    1 in 60 white population
    1 in 86 general population

    Case two –IQ mean =105. Jews (assumption 1)
    130-105 = 25, 25/15 = 1.67SD. z= 0.9525
    8 million x (1-.9525) = 380,000
    1 in 21 Jewish population
    1 in 850 general population
    Should be 9.9 times as many Whites as Jews in high IQ occupations

    Case three –IQ mean =110. Jews (assumption 2)
    130 – 110 = 22, 22/15 = 1.47SD. z= 0.9292
    8 million x (1-0.9292) = 566,400
    1 in 14 Jewish population
    1 in 570 general population
    Should be 6.6 times as many Whites as Jews in high IQ occupations

    Case four –IQ mean =86. Blacks
    130 – 86 = 44, 44/15 = 2.93SD z = 0.9983
    41 million x (1-0.9983) = 69,700
    1 in 588 Black population
    1 in 4,636 general population
    Should be 54 times as many Whites as Blacks in high IQ occupations

    So, for example, based on IQ in a best case scenario, using seven movie studios as proxies, there should be at least 6 gentiles running these enterprises.
    Looking at Ivy enrollments, there is even a more pronounced disparity in results. Based on IQ alone, there should be a handful of Blacks enrolled in the Ivy league.

  267. @Jake

    Hatred of ‘other’ white people is the very basis of WASP culture.

    Astute observation.

    One need only observe the ongoing mass rape, literal as well as economical, of the English working class and the complete and utter indifference of the general English as yet another example in their long morbid history of spite.

    It should be remembered that the English do not care about any other race, and only promote one race over another as a sort of entertainment in the tradition of bear-baiting. For example the mass starvation of Indians in Bengal and the like, whilst at the same time the propping up of their war campaign with those very same Indians (I was very surprised to learn the massive involvement of Indians in the Commonwealth armies during that period).

    I think it’s just that the English take especial delight when it’s White people they are persecuting, even more-so those Whites most closely related, which they reserve maximum denigration and malevolence.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Charles Pewitt
  268. @Forbes

    You are misstating his argument…

  269. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Why does Steve Sailor censor reader comments? No other column on Unz does that. It’s so un Unz. Please respect our first amendment rights SS. UR is the only place that does not censor reader comments, which makes it great. Don’t ruin it.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Steve Sailer
    , @Z-man
  270. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    What I think the really big question is, does it make sense for American whites concerned about the invasion to declare Jews our implacable enemies? For so many reasons, the answer is no, that we are slowly losing and need all the help we can get and as broad a coalition as we can manage.

    Who is “we”? Are you suggesting whites form a “broad coalition” with Jews to deter the invasion? But how can you form a coalition with the very people who invite this invasion with the aim to replace you? It’s like hugging a suicide bomber with a bomb strapped to his body, let’s all go down together.

  271. @Lot

    Depends on where the cut-off for “high IQ” is. Using your 110 Jewish mean and a 25-1 ratio, at the 160+ IQ level the breakdown will be 64.8% non-Jewish and 35.2% Jewish.

    But 160 is a ridiculously high number for the Ivy League admissions number.

    160 is 4 sigma. 1-10000. Half of Harvard’s admits aren’t even NMSQT finalists–i.e. top 1%. Sure a bunch of those are blacks, Hispanics, athletes and legacy but there’s also the Jews doing the critical work of promoting LBGT rights in Botswana. (Ok, just having a little fun … while speaking truth to power.) Take the competitive 1%, throw out the Asians, and at that IQ level–we’re talking about around 8000 spots out of a 4m American kids in a cohort, 2 and half to 3 sigma–Jews might be enhanced maybe 7x relative to population or account for 20-25% of the whites. Getting that to a Jewish majority of the whites has to be “other factors” not IQ. Factors like signaling appropriate beliefs or “who you know”.

    ~~~

    Lot, you and Ron have been in something of pissing match now.

    I don’t really “know” what the real numbers are as we’re relying on the Hillel estimates of actual Jewish enrollment–which people seem to believe are at least “in the ballpark”–and Ron’s estimate of actual Jewish top 1% test scores which is based on his name analysis. (We ought to just have real numbers for all ethnicities from the census, the College Board and colleges.)

    Anyway, whatever you think of Ron’s analysis, two things seem to indisputably point to in one direction:

    1) The Asian numbers.
    That the Asian numbers didn’t move much as Asian kids doubled in the college demographic, *and* Asians did even better relative to whites on the tests, sure indicates some kind of fiddling. (Now it may be it’s “meriocratic” now, and the previous Asian numbers were the Jews earlier pushing up Asian numbers for “diversity” and sticking it to whitey. But either way the Asian demographic and score rise not being reflected in the admissions requires serious fiddling of some sort.)

    2) The Princeton Jew panic.
    There’s just no way around this. Princeton Jewish admissions were gently falling–presumably with Jewish demographic weight and performance … Jews threw a hissy and got Princeton bowing and scraping … and delivering more Jewish admits. Jews demanded and then got preferential treatment–their 7x or whatever over-representation. There’s no way to say that’s meriocratic because it was a naked call for more ethnic representation that was heeded.

  272. @Ted F

    No, any legitimate grievances she may have had were massively offset by the blessings. She was lucky to be alive, like all living things, and lucky to be born into a world where she could go to Harvard Law and become one of the most esteemed women in America. What is the net grievance?

  273. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    Why do you say “they” instead of “we?”

  274. @AnotherDad

    “Depends on where the cut-off for “high IQ” is. Using your 110 Jewish mean and a 25-1 ratio, at the 160+ IQ level the breakdown will be 64.8% non-Jewish and 35.2% Jewish”

    I repeat a claim made previously that analysis of this sort relies on assumptions of normalcy and standard deviation that I have not seen documented. Does the sample of Jewish test-takers have a standard deviation that conforms to the population as a whole? Why should we expect this when the Jewish peoples are likely more inbred than the population as a whole? I think it more likely that Jews have an IQ distribution that is significantly narrower than the base pop. Also not necessarily normal. Under these circumstances, I think right-tail inference under base assumptions will likely be in error.

    • Replies: @Lot
  275. Yan Shen says:
    @SimpleSong

    Japan has a much lower number of lawyers per capita than the U.S. Do you feel that their society would improve if they had more? It seems to me they manage to resolve their disputes more effectively than we do, and that their justice system functions quite well. They also have a much less prominent finance industry and (I assume) fewer I-bankers per capita as well. Would they be better off with more?

    In Geography of Thought, Richard Nisbett points out that the ratio of lawyers to engineers in the USA was 41 times that of the same ratio in Japan! (I don’t think the book indicates the time period the comparative data was gathered for.)

    You’re correct that one of the clearest differences between Eastern and Western economies is the orientation of the former towards high tech manufacturing and the orientation of the latter towards services. My previous article here argues that M/V split can explain this.

    https://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    I’m hopeful that some more of my thoughts can end up being published here at Unz in the future, but the rise of East Asia has to be considered one of the most beneficial things for human civilization in light of the various kinds of madness perpetuated by high V types…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  276. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I read that the reason we had so many attorneys in colonial times was because of indentured servants.

    Those 7 and 10 year contracts were always subject to abuse. For instance, raping a woman, she gets pregnant and add 2 years to her contract because of time off for pregnancy birth and nursing.

    Or don’t give the servant the money and land they were supposed to get when the term was up. Or selling the servant which was not supposed to happen.

    The owners always wanted more work and longer terms than the contract specified. The servants always wanted less work better food. Lodging clothes etc.

    As soon as the revolution was over and we swarmed west of the Appalachians there were so many land ownership disputes attorneys were necessary

    What is bad about our system is that judges make and unmake laws. Congress or a state legislature votes in favor of law xxx.

    The people opposed to law xxx just hire attorneys file a lawsuit and hope a judge overturns law xxx.

    Law xxx doesn’t pass Congress or a state legislature? The people in favor of law xxx file a lawsuit and hope a judge makes findings that make xxx the law of the land.

    Those lawsuits are all prepared long before the vote. That’s why at 8/ am the day after a bill is voted down or made into law the opposition is right there to file the lawsuit.

    Nowadays they don’t even need a courier. Just click on the computer screen and the lawsuit is filed and stamped electronically.

    A lot of the socialist countries and japan have a lot of government agencies that mediate disputes. And the American system of filing lawsuits is better than hiring thugs to threaten the opposition.

    What I don’t like about the system is that it’s evolved to where judges, not elected legislatures make the laws.

    And since judges have been anti White since 1956, I consider them representatives of Satan.

    Our rule by judicial fiat not much different from the old common law when the biggest baddest bully in the village appointed himself judge and made the laws.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  277. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marcus D.

    The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%.

    This statistic means nothing because it doesn’t distinguish between first marriages, which produce children, and remarriages, which rarely do. What is the intermarriage rate for first marriages?

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Marcus D.
  278. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good overview. Would include Crick with Watson for sure and Niels Bohr (part Jewish) with quantum mechanics.

    Einstein may not have been the original discoverer of either special or general relativity.

    The best case scenario for Einstein is that he was a co-discoverer of these theories with a lot of help from other scientists and mathematicians including Lorentz, Poincare, Riemann, and Hilbert.

    • Replies: @Anon
  279. Yan Shen says:
    @AnotherDad

    But 160 is a ridiculously high number for the Ivy League admissions number.

    Back when the SAT used to be on a 1600 point scale and after the 1995 recentering, I think the rule of thumb was to take (SAT score)/10 – 10 as a rough estimate of IQ.

    So 1400/1600 would’ve been roughly 130 IQ and 1500/1600 would’ve been roughly 140 IQ, I think. Back in my day, the lesser ivies generally tended to have average SAT scores for matriculating students in the lower 1400s, while the top ivies tended to have average SAT scores for matriculating students near 1500. So your “average” Ivy League student is probably somewhere in the 130s in terms of IQ, which is still fairly self selected, given that 130 is basically around 98th percentile already…

  280. FrankT says:
    @anon

    “Few if any non-Jew, especially if they are conservative (unless a Jewish neocon) are ever called an “expert” of anything. It’s time to break out SAT scores for Jews.”

    ETS reported these data for the 1990 cohort, which they used to renorm the SAT
    http://www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    The 1990 M+R combined standard deviation was around 220. So Jews, at least ones who marked “Judaism” as a religion, had slightly less than a 7 point advantage over non-Hispanic Whites. It’s a very large sample and so would drag any meta-analytic average towards it.

    • Replies: @res
  281. @3g4me

    Third choice. Accept all who are here, legally, return American forces from overseas, and shut the door. For twenty years. Percolate under open flames of conflict constrained by the Constitution, wait for flames to die and grounds to settle. Drink coffee, start over.

  282. Lot says:
    @res

    I don’t mean to use antisemite pejoratively, and agree it is used too readily. But we do need a word to describe people whose negative opinions on Jews inform a lot of their worldview. You must agree it is a distinct group?

    A couple months ago someone objected to the term, and I switched to their preferred “countersemite” without complaint, and have used it a few more times since when I thought it would be preferred.

    If you don’t think they almost all wink and nod about the holocaust (while blogrolling those who explicitly approve) you’re either missing not very subtle jokes or we are thinking of different people.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Moses
    , @res
  283. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon

    It’s not your site, there’s other places you can go, and of course you would get censored elsewhere on Unz if you said something really egregious but those places don’t handle the same traffic load.

    • Replies: @anon
  284. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    There is a sort of Hindu Muslim Temple in one of the cemeteries of France in a section where thousands of Indian WW1 soldiers are buried.

    This is an illustration of how the British regard their own people. The English had a custom of whipping soldiers and sailors to death for discipline.

    When the arrangements were made between the army of the East India Company, the British army and the Indian rulers; the Indians always stipulated that Indian soldiers in the British army not be whipped or physically punished. So for about 200 years the British soldiers were whipped, sometimes until they died but the Indians were not.

    The British army didn’t stop whipping it’s soldiers to death until the 1840s. It was the county coroners and local magistrates who stopped it.

    When a soldier died from whipping the sergeant who administered the whipping and the officers who ordered the whipping were all charged with 1st degree murder. If only sergeants had been charged with murder the army wouldn’t have cared. But when officers were charged with murder the army stopped whipping

    I don’t know when the British stopped whipping sailors to death.

    First English indentured servants arrived in Jamestown Va in 1619 the same year the Angolans did. They were starving orphaned children and young teens swept up from the streets of London.

    Kidnaping of children, selling them to ship’s captains who sold them to the Caribbean and American planters was very common and no one objected.

    The Fagin character in Oliver Twist was a real person named Ikey Solomon. He was head of a criminal organization, but what kind of society is so vicious towards its own children that Ikey was the person who fed and sheltered them?

    • Replies: @fnn
  285. Ron Unz says:
    @Lot

    Depends on where the cut-off for “high IQ” is. Using your 110 Jewish mean and a 25-1 ratio, at the 160+ IQ level the breakdown will be 64.8% non-Jewish and 35.2% Jewish.

    At the 170 level it becomes 54.7% non-Jewish and 46.3% Jewish. And there are still hundreds of Americans at that 170+ level, and they likely are well represented in science Nobel winners and founders of large computer companies.

    Our “Scots-Irish” friend Lot is either totally innumerate or totally disingenuous, more likely the latter. As I already emphasized, there are numerous white Gentile sub-populations whose mean IQs are fairly close to that of Jews, and whose numbers are vastly larger. So the above calculation is merely a con-man’s trick, aimed at misleading the gullible. Here are a couple of paragraphs from my big Meritocracy article:

    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109. But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.

    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_6_13

    For someone who is absolutely, positively, definitely not Jewish, “Lot” seems strangely committed to the task of misleading white Gentiles into believing that Jewish over-representation has a strictly meritocratic origin in their superior IQs.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    , @Lot
    , @Dissident
  286. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    You must agree it is a distinct group?

    Nope. Jewish historians of anti-Semitism generally don’t, they talk about it spreading through the normal population. I don’t think that UFO-fanciers are overwhelmingly numerous, significant, or monolithic in their qualities, and am deeply suspicious of the straw dog ritual of laughing at “stupid conspiracy theorists.” If they ever existed, they surely don’t matter in any way. Except in being a living straw man, warning good apes from straying into the Forbidden Zone. In fact, I think this is the same cheap trick.
    >you think that your evidence is legitimate and your argument is sound.
    >But I escape from contending with either — because I declared you to be The Bad Person.
    >You are not allowed to declare me to be The Bad Person.
    Remind me what happens mathematically when a Nazi claims that two plus two is four? Now extrapolate what it means when a person whose worldview is colored by knowing about Jewish crime and Jewish lying reports an Israeli atrocity.
    It stops being true when you disprove it, not when you call them a name.

  287. Yan Shen says:
    @Ron Unz

    We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.

    I thought Jews were strong in both M and V, but lower in S?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Evidence_for_a_group_difference_in_intelligence

    “Natural History of Intelligence”,[8] a 2005 paper by Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending, put forth the conjecture that the unique conditions under which Ashkenazi Jews lived in medieval Europe selected for high verbal and mathematical intelligence but not spatial intelligence.

    • Replies: @res
  288. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me

    I think it’s Teddy Roosevelt’s “ boarding house of bickering nationalities”

  289. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Who are these anti-white “reasonable people” of whom you speak? When I wrote “otherwise reasonable people” I was talking about normal whites who are not happy with their increased dispossession in the countries their ancestors founded.

    I also wrote ‘otherwise reasonable’. Please don’t delete key words. Anyway, see below.

    Gallup’s annual Minority Rights and Relations poll* finds 50% of Americans favor “affirmative action programs for racial minorities,” while 42% oppose such programs. Previous surveys in this series have shown similar results, with slightly more Americans expressing support than opposition.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/18091/race-ideology-support-affirmative-action.aspx

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  290. Yan Shen says:
    @Lot

    I don’t think you and Ron are that far apart from each other? Basically Jews are smarter than non-Jewish whites by a non-trivial degree. Ron’s assertion that we should abandon a model where white Americans are a monolithic entity with some fixed mean IQ and SD certainly makes the situation harder to ascertain if it’s in fact correct. (Indeed I suspect that discussions of African IQ along the lines of Chanda Chisala here suffer from the mistaken assumption that various African populations should be treated as racial monoliths, masking the potential for higher IQ cognitively elite sub-groups such as Igbo or Yoruba, which would basically resolve a host of problems such as lack of sufficient regression to the mean, etc.)

    Not sure what Ron’s threshold for high IQ is, but he’s willing to concede that Jews might be as much as 20% of high IQ whites, while they’re basically 3-4% of the total white population in this country. Being over-represented by a factor of 5-6x+ seems pretty significant to me…

    For instance a previous discussion on Putnam Fellows on Infoproc seemed to suggest that after weeding out foreign born East Asians who had migrated to America for college after winning an IMO medal for their native countries, East Asian “Americans” were only over-represented on Putnam by a factor of 4-6x relative to their underlying population percentages…

  291. @Jack D

    I think it’s probably cheaper on average to pay the delinquent tax or repossessed equipment every once in a while than the lawyers every time. The only way it comes out in your favor is if you’re planning to screw people. Maybe if you’re dealing with a totally unknown person. For those with reputations, the cost of deliberately screwing others is prohibitive if they want to stay in business.

  292. @Anon

    Ramzpaul, whose many posts are certainly entertaining and more often well-pointed than not, nevertheless tipped a nerve with me when I realized “whoa, harping the Jewish thing just, a little, hard” and that so in the sense specifically that if he had a point to make he had already clearly made it, but that didn’t stop him from finding 5 or 6 more ways in 5 or 6 more posts to make the very same point.

    I mention that, because appropo of your comment, he did this post, and when it’s him, doing this post, I think it’s wisdom for you or anyone in your camp to listen:

    • Replies: @Dissident
  293. Mr. Anon says:
    @Benjaminl

    These are very sensitive issues, and the typical approach to them is either:

    1. Repress any open discussion and debate, demonize white people, and punish anyone who breaches the taboos (i.e. the mainstream media)

    or

    2. Complete unfettered free speech, which inevitably descends into crude, nasty dehumanizing personal attacks, and appalling “jokes” about things like helicopter rides and concentration camps (i.e. 4chan/Reddit)

    Oftentimes, it has been 1. that begat 2.

  294. Yan Shen says:
    @Lot

    I should also add that another potential complicating factor here apart from needing to treat white Americans as racially distinct sub-groups is that IQ is supposedly non-Gaussian at the tails, so more high end talent than might be expected from assuming a normal distribution. That might render these kinds of off the cuff estimates of +4 SD talents somewhat off.

    Anyhoo, if you or Ron came up with some estimates of how we should partition the white American population by different nationalities or the likes and what the average IQ of each sub-group should be set at, we could still see under assumptions of normality what the degree of over-representation at IQ 160 should be for Jewish Americans relative to non-Jewish white Americans…

    • Replies: @Lot
  295. Yan Shen says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yup, everything boils down to that math/verbal split…

    https://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    I sound like a broken record at this point, but I’m continually amazed by how so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the left and the right, is on the impending possibility that science will bear out the 1 SD gap in IQ between blacks and whites.

    Surely the rise of China in the 21st century is of much greater civilizational importance than the continued failure of Africa…

  296. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Do you think Unz.com has more articles that are primarily about Israel or the combined total of articles about Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria?

    Which country in that list has the most influence in America, has the most powerful domestic lobby, and looms largest in news reporting in America?

    When the day arrives that virtually every major presidential candidate feels compelled to address APPAC, ASPAC, AFPAC, ABPAC, AHPAC, or ARPAC, or when american politicians and political candidates routinely make official visits to whatever the portugese, spanish, french, italian, belgian, dutch, polish, romanian, or bulgarian equivalent of the Wailing Wall is – maybe then I’ll concede the validity of your point.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  297. Yan Shen says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    More, Jewish verbal IQ (according to IQ tests) had not given commensurate achievements in written words areas (literature, philosophy,..). On the other hand, there are many great Jewish mathematicians, more than Jewish philosophers or novelists.

    See my comment in response to Ron. I was under the impression Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.

    Interestingly enough, a long, long time ago on some other blog, I seem to recall a commenter going by the pseudonym RKU pointing out that he had always been very strong both in V and in M, but was weaker spatially. I wonder if that fellow happened to be Jewish as well… :)

    • Replies: @Lot
  298. Lot says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Intelligence itself doesn’t follow a perfect bell curve, but scores on intelligence tests are typically made to fit one. That would be arbitrary except that, at least for a homogeneous group and ouside the extremes, the raw scores are pretty close to standard normal.

    And the extremes may fit fairly well too, I just haven’t see evidence either way.

    • Replies: @utu
  299. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen

    “Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.”

    That is correct.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
  300. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Yan Shen

    I’m hopeful that some more of my thoughts can end up being published here at Unz in the future, but the rise of East Asia has to be considered one of the most beneficial things for human civilization in light of the various kinds of madness perpetuated by high V types…

    The only appropriate response is to stare.

  301. Yan Shen says:

    as for Jews and politics, entrepreneurship & public intellectuals, I hope Steve is not too serious. Those are not fields of impressive mental athleticism. Although famous- Steve Jobs, with regard to more permanent influence & human accomplishment, is simply not in the league with Ken Thompson or Dennis Ritchie.

    Right, it’s been years since I read that Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson, but obviously Jobs was first and foremost a product and design person, with a genius for marketing, promotion, and bullshitting, i.e the Steve Jobs reality distortion field. The book highlighted a couple of instances where technical prodigies tended to look down on Jobs. For instance, Steve Wozniak’s dad once supposedly told Jobs that he was entitled to shit because he hadn’t created anything. I think Woz’s dad came from a strong engineering background and tended to look down on business types. I also seem to remember an anecdote in the book where Bill Gates allegedly looked down on Jobs also because the later was a mediocre engineer.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/11/14/the-tweaker

    I mean when even Malcolm Gladwell is questioning your inventive bona fides, you know that something is probably amiss between perception and reality…

    Jobs’s sensibility was editorial, not inventive. His gift lay in taking what was in front of him—the tablet with stylus—and ruthlessly refining it. After looking at the first commercials for the iPad, he tracked down the copywriter, James Vincent, and told him, “Your commercials suck.”

    Even within Apple, Jobs was known for taking credit for others’ ideas. Jonathan Ive, the designer behind the iMac, the iPod, and the iPhone, tells Isaacson, “He will go through a process of looking at my ideas and say, ‘That’s no good. That’s not very good. I like that one.’ And later I will be sitting in the audience and he will be talking about it as if it was his idea.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  302. Yan Shen says:
    @Lot

    Honestly I think you should split the difference between yourself and other commenters here on the Jewish IQ question. Most people agree there’s some non-trivial IQ advantage that Jews possess relative to non-Jewish whites, the only disagreement is how much of an edge.

    In the arenas of politics and business and the likes, I can easily imagine relationships and nepotism boosting Jewish over-representation above and beyond what naive estimates of IQ might predict. I also think it’s plausible as Ron has argued that high end Jewish achievement has been declining in recent years in tandem with an increase in high end East Asian American achievement.

    • Replies: @Lot
  303. Moses says:
    @Lot

    Would you mind providing a clear and objective definition of “antisemite”?

    Thanks!

  304. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Jews are what percentage of the world population? Yet, all the world must be turned upside down with mass invasion(of course Israel gets Passover rights) just to profiteth the Tribe?

    Of course, Weisman’s formula applies ONLY AS LONG AS Jews can play non-whites against whites.
    But what would happen if indeed ALL whites did go SJW? They would side with POC against Zionism and Jewish privilege. BDS is spreading among SJW whites.

    So, it’s a kind of paradox. In order for Jewish divide-and-rule strategy to work, there must always be ‘racist’ whites. If whites were to all lose their ‘racism’ and mix with POC and just become a polyglot people, they could all turn SJW. Then, Jews won’t be able to play divide and rule among ‘racist’ whites and non-whites. The polyglot of POC and SJW whites will come after Jews.

    Also, it is the ‘racist’ whites who are most supportive of Israel as ‘western outpost’ in the Middle East. It is because white conservatives have been tainted with ‘white guilt’ that they cling to Israel First to show that they’ve been redeemed from ‘antisemitism’ and ‘racism’. It’s their get-out-of-white-guilt-jail card to prove that they are not ‘racist’ when, in fact, they still cling to whiteness, even if in an implicit way.

    But if white conservatives really lose their ‘racism’ and decide to become SJW, they no longer any need to cling to Israel for moral cred. They can just hug Diversity to get all the moral cred they need. This is why proggy whites aren’t so pro-Israel. As they are pro-POC, they don’t need to hug Jews and Israel to be ‘redeemed’. Just by screaming BLM or championing ‘dreamers’, their ‘white guilt’ gets cleansed.

    In contrast, because white conservatives are less favorable to blacks and browns, their ‘white guilt’ washing station must be Israel. But if white cons were to drop conservatism and embrace blacks and browns and POC and mass invasion, there is no need for them to worship Israel.

  305. Chase says:
    @vinteuil

    “Free” is never free, right? The decisions that we make have costs, long and short, easily visible and more complicated. Things seemed pretty good for the Jew in 1931 Berlin. Not so good in 1933. And if you pay attention, there are Jews out there sensing this, trying to put feelers out there about tapping the brakes a bit.

    I suspect that by the time they realize it was time to turn around long time ago it will be too late. While it seems unimaginable today, history shows us that populations have ejected this group of people from their country before, for predicatable reasons and patterns of behavior. We shall see.

  306. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:

    The only *large* and *representative* studies on the intelligence of religious groups in the U.S. in the last ~60 years are the NLS97 and Project Talent data. What do they tell us? That Jews have a maybe ~7 point advantage over white gentiles and are about tied with certain white sub groups like Episcopalians, Atheists, Unitarians and Quakers.

    Yes there are a number of tiny and unrepresentative studies of Jews in orthodox schools in Manhattan from 60 years ago where Jews are said to have IQs of 112.8, but they’re tiny and unrepresentative.

    The more I learn about “110-115 IQ” something which I assumed to be true for a long time, the more convinced I am that it is an oft-repeated myth. You have to look at the primary sources. Also: See Vox Day’s analysis

    “Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.” Which implies and a genetic explanation is a bad explanation. Verbal and Math are what are taught in formal schooling while spatial isn’t and Jews are known to have a culture which emphasizes formal schooling. Could it be that this is why they excel on exactly the sub-tests of “IQ” that pertain to what is taught in school? Seems plausible doesn’t it?

    Kids from city X spent 3x more time playing Halo in 2017 as kids from city Y. When tested for Halo playing ability kids from city X performed 1SD better. The difference is probably genetic.

    ^ DUMB ^

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
    , @Lot
    , @res
  307. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    Do you think Unz.com has more articles that are primarily about Israel or the combined total of articles about Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria?

    That’s right – every congressman fears the dreaded Portuguese or the Romanian lobby. Everyone knows that if you spoke against Bulgarian-Americans or Bulgaria, there would be heck to pay in the pages of the New York Times.

    • Replies: @Lot
  308. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I proposed to Debbie Harry once but she just laughed at me. Much like Jews would to this.

  309. Twinkie says:
    @SFG

    I hope you succeed.

  310. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Judges make laws because legislatures refuse to rein them in and because legislators do not want to be held accountable for laws they want enacted.

  311. Twinkie says:
    @3g4me

    So enriched America? Value-added America? Multicultural America?

    Or original America, White Christian America, the Founders’ America?

    Pick one.

    While I appreciate being featured so prominently in your diatribe, you 1) misrepresent my views and 2) present a false choice.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  312. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of non-self-awareness: surely it’s been pointed out that Weisman’s triple-parentheses shtick, as distinguished from honest flogging, goes way past “owning the insult” and crosses the border into hate-ginning for the promotion of himself/books/brand. Are we sure he’s not really doing an extended parody of old anti-Semitic tropes about appropriating non-Jewish culture for profit, e.g. Christmas songs, rock’n’roll, gangsta rap, Nazi memorabilia sales, etc. I gotta think at least a half-majority of Jews would draw the line at a Korean clothing chain pushing trademarked shoah shirts or matcha-flavored matzos.

    p.s. Yes I realize countless Jewish stand-up comics already incorporated jokes about on-demand silkscreened “Holocaust Remembrance Day” tote bags into their B-material

  313. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Many arguments are of the form: “Assuming Harvard admissions cut-off of X sigmas above the mean, group A should be over-represented by a factor of Y.”

    My guess: People pick ‘X’-sigmas to be whatever they want to get the Y factor over-representation they’re looking for. For 15 point IQ differential between groups: 1-sigmas = 3x, 2-sigmas = 20x, 3-sigmas = 350x over-representation. Want to say that some group *should* be over-represented by a factor of 10x at Harvard or 20x among billionaires or 30x among pundits? Just pick the IQ threshold that gives you the answer you want – with zero evidence that that is the IQ threshold.

    Hypothesis: virtually all real IQ thresholds for these areas are below 135. But, what we should do is scientifically determine what the IQ threshold is and provide evidence. It’s probably not a ‘threshold’ however, but more like a “probability distribution” which may (or may not) complicate the math.

  314. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “For someone who is absolutely, positively, definitely not Jewish”

    Wow, you are just obsessed with my ethnic background, which I have been always been happy to disclose here when asked. Jew-counting is a hobby of yours. I get it. And that’s OK, I’ve partaken in Jew Census myself, and Google Autofill makes clear we aren’t alone! Is celebrity X … typically autofils to gay, but Jewish is a respectable second.

    But I am sorry to report, and indeed personally exemplify, a complication to your hobby, namely that “Am I a Jew” does not have a simple answer. In general Americans care about your beliefs much more than ethnicity on the Jew v. Christian issue. And there the answer is easy, I am not a Jew! Would you like to see my baptismal photo? You should convert too, have you heard the Good News my brother?

    But I have a pretty strong hunch you don’t believe in God or the devinity of Christ, what you care about is, “is this awful person who disagrees with of the Hebrew blood?” And that’s OK!

    Here’s the exact number: 23andme says 47.9% Ashkenazi. That’s more than enough to make me oven-worthy to your friends at Occidental Observer, and under the Nuremberg Laws, though I’d have it better than you were we transported there. On the other hand, I fail the maternal line test, and likewise fail the culture test, since most of what I know of Jewish culture is from faithful watching of Seinfeld and Curb.

    “believing that Jewish over-representation has a strictly meritocratic origin in their superior IQs.”

    How have you benefited personally from non-meritocratic Jewish preferences? I personally can’t identify any help I received. Perhaps I should start wearing a JewCap to ease identification of my plurality ethnicity. You actually won’t ever find me saying that Jewish over-representation is “strictly meritocratic,” much less trying to persuade people of this. What I actually argued is that your work in that article, like the Hispanic crime one, was so shoddy in its statistical methods that it proves absolutely nothing one way or the other.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @lavoisier
    , @vinteuil
  315. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, I didn’t say otherwise. They certainly should fear AIPAC! Ask EX- congresseoman Cynthia McKinney, last seen in the news on a Gaza flotilla, and prior to that assulting a member of the Capitol Police.

    I was responding to Unz’s hilarious claim he isn’t much interested in Israel/Jewish issues.

  316. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    I didn’t mean to imply I thought the Ivy number would require a 160, and don’t think I actually did so. Your own estimate seems about right.

    The Hillel numbers are not even in the right ballpark. And the question is increasingly meaningless as the people who call themselves Jews, or specifically the 18 year olds who do, are not the 115 IQ purebred Ashkenazi of the 1950s, but a an extremely mixed group when it comes to college admissions, or else a not mixed group that has no ambition beyond a yeshiva.

  317. utu says:
    @Lot

    Intelligence itself doesn’t follow a perfect bell curve, but scores on intelligence tests are typically made to fit one.

    In theory it is possible to design a test to produce any distribution one desires, like Gaussian. But I do not think it was originally done so when first IQ tests were created. Do IQ scores have normal distribution? I am sure somebody must have looked at it but to verify shape outside ±1.5SD interval one must have a massive sample.

    Anyway, if there were serious studies that verified IQ distribution (pdf) there would yield some error bars for discrepancy form Gaussian distribution. Have you seen anybody used the error bars? You did not, which means that it is safe to assume that we do not even know errors of Gaussian approximation. And they can be large. This means it is terra incognito into which some project existence of creatures they wish to exist. For example La Graff du Lion postulates fat tail for Jewish IQ so they can ‘explains’ Jewish over representation that even regular Gaussian can’t ‘explain’. This is not science it is just obnoxious Jewish activism.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Ron Unz
  318. utu says:
    @Lot

    Here’s the exact number: 23andme says 47.9% Ashkenazi. That’s more than enough to make me oven-worthy to your friends at Occidental Observer, and under the Nuremberg Laws

    And you had learned to make bitchy arguments like this one just by watching Seinfeld and Curb? You are very talented gentile. You may read Otto Weininger to get in touch with your bitchiness.

  319. @Anonymous

    “Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.” Which implies and a genetic explanation is a bad explanation.”

    3-d cognitive skills are less correlated with the g factor than anything else. It’s kind of like in PCs that have a CPU chip and a separate 3-d graphics processor chip.

    • Replies: @utu
  320. @Yan Shen

    Steve Jobs was a great businessman. He had skills like a Medici prince or a pope around 1500 of being a great sponsor and nag of the more creative. He got the best 3 or 4 years out of creative geniuses like Wozniak and Hertzfeld, leaving them burned out while Jobs went on and on.

    • Agree: Yan Shen
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  321. @Mr. Anon

    I’m personally more interested in Mexico than Israel, but Israel is a bigger topic in the American press.

  322. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s fighting an old battle. The new High-Q group infesting the country doesn’t care for any of us, Jew or gentile, the thoughts of the estimable Twinkie aside.

    At least they’re more easily identified.

  323. @anon

    Sorry about falling behind in moderation, I haven’t been well.

  324. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Verbal and Math are what are taught in formal schooling while spatial isn’t and Jews are known to have a culture which emphasizes formal schooling. Could it be that this is why they excel on exactly the sub-tests of “IQ” that pertain to what is taught in school? Seems plausible doesn’t it?

    No it doesn’t. If you know any truly high IQ kids, you realize that their brilliance exists long before they ever see the inside of a classroom. Of course formal education gives shape to it and refines it, but the potential has to be there 1st. And the flip side is that you can lavish the finest of educations on someone who lacks it and the seed will not grown in infertile soil. Maybe if you were a Martian this might seem plausible but if you have any experience with actual humans it is not plausible at all.

  325. @Marcus D.

    Right, the sudden arrival of Ashkenazi intellectuals in the 19th Century (Marx) and early 20th Century (Freud) was a very big deal

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @utu
  326. @Anonymous

    David Belasco — I believe a Sephardic — was the dominant figure in late 19th century New York theater.

    Yiddish theater was also a big deal. In “Court of the Red Tsar,” Simon Sebag Montefiore quotes an old Soviet secret policeman that murdering a Yiddish theater star in a fake car crash in 1948 was the only murder he committed under Stalin’s orders that he feels really bad about.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  327. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    See calcs at comment 55

  328. Z-man says:
    @szopen

    The American congress is at least 10% Jew, of The Tribe, and 89% of the rest are owned.

  329. donut says:
    @anonymous

    Yeah in the UK they can address it from their prison cells .

  330. Z-man says:
    @Anonymous

    The Jews are mixing with the gentiles very fast. The Jewish leaders are desperate with a intermarriage rate of 55%.

    “This statistic means nothing because it doesn’t distinguish between first marriages, which produce children, and remarriages, which rarely do. What is the intermarriage rate for first marriages?”

    Yes and the product of intermarriage makes for some very damaged people. Many actually become more Joo* than their full blooded parent and the Jew-ish side overwhelmingly controls the schools they go to or the ‘places’ they pray in.

    * Bill Maher is a perfect example. He says he is the product of a Jewess and an Irishman. He is by far the most satanic person on cable TV.

  331. Z-man says:

    From a fellow poster on another site:

    “Jewish achievement is obvious; only the explanation is unclear.”

    “Typically disingenuous.

    The answer is simple and well known, highly efficient and ruthless ethnic networking. Jews talk up Jews and give each other the leg-up in every domain they move into.”

    Add ‘cunning’ to efficient and ruthless. (Wry grin)

  332. Dissident says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Sorry about falling behind in moderation, I haven’t been well.

    Sorry to hear that. I hope it’s nothing serious.

    I, for one, greatly appreciate your moderation of comments. Sure, the delay can be frustrating but when I imagine the alternative…the volume of worthless and foul bilge that would be necessary to wade through…I shudder.

    I appreciated your review of Weisman’s book and agree with much of what you wrote. I also greatly appreciated many of the comments in this thread. (As with any number of past threads I have read, I found some of the comments just superb; worthy of saving and quoting from.) I can only hope and pray that reasonable, humane voices such as theirs will prevail.

  333. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    We are in a death match. But to dismiss intelligence assumes that you can win on numbers. We don’t have the numbers. We must tread the Paths of the Dead, and use intelligence. We can, because we must. If you don’t see the sight of the gallows, you are looking at your feet.

    Pretty good writing!!

  334. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    Get better fast. You offer a lot to the world Steve.

  335. Dissident says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Would you happen to know whether any content from RamZPaul is available in downloadable mp3 audio format?

  336. Marcus D. says:
    @Anonymous

    66% of the Jewish men and 71 % of Jewish women who intermarry are in their first marriage in the early 2000s. It’s something like 38% of Jews that have their children with gentiles. It’s significative.
    https://books.google.com.br/books?id=xo5MKEs2ur4C&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=%22first+marriage%22+%22jewish+spouse%22&source=bl&ots=uSAAt1ewM4&sig=qX9q1JcKa86jeIkIYk5DfTyDeV0&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio_7-spenaAhWP2FMKHad0BUAQ6AEIjQEwDQ#v=onepage&q=Family%20characteristivs%20of%20intramarried&f=false (Table 10.2)

  337. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Lot

    My God man you are losing it.

    Do you really believe that Ron Unz is a Nazi dupe looking to fire up the ovens???

    The guy is just trying to be honest, unlike you, and while he certainly publishes pieces that are not flattering to Jewish behavior I have never seen him willfully lie to make a point.

    Why do you think he publishes this work? Because he hates Jews or because he is concerned that alternative viewpoints are not allowed in the land of the free and home of the brave. And perhaps he is just concerned about basic fairness, which to me was the whole point of his classic essay The Myth of American Meritocracy.

    This is his publication. He has taken great risks starting it and did not need the grief and hatred that he had to deal with by starting it. He has to deal with the hatred of people like you Lot as well as the hatred and ignorance of true anti-Semites–people who hate Jews just because they are Jews.

    Show the man a degree of respect for his courage and his defense of free speech.

    He has more than earned it.

    • Agree: Talha, Dan Hayes, Twinkie
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  338. @Steve Sailer

    Steve Jobs was a great businessman. He had skills like a Medici prince or a pope around 1500 of being a great sponsor and nag of the more creative. He got the best 3 or 4 years out of creative geniuses like Wozniak and Hertzfeld, leaving them burned out while Jobs went on and on.

    Steve Sailer boldly brings to mind pitching coaches and managers who burn out the staff when he says Steve Jobs burned out a couple of guys.

    DON’T BURN YOURSELF OUT SAILER!

    Do what you must to regain your health.

    I ain’t gonna check the internet, but I think…just checked, 94 complete games in 1980 by Oakland A’s.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/15/sports/baseball-keough-recalls-how-martin-depended-on-the-a-s-starters.html

  339. ChrisZ says:

    (Reply to Achmed E. Newman @comment 30)

    Achmed, you’re in fine form here. Hysterical.

    I hear the proto-Frisbee was indeed invented centuries ago; but the people who invented it decided to wear it on their heads.

  340. Jack D says:
    @AaronB

    Aaron B has apparently made a breakthrough in discerning IQ from blog comments. In the past, IQ could only be measured by having a trained professional administer a lengthy test, but using Aaron’s revolutionary method it is possible to skip this entirely and determine the IQ of people (like me) that you have never even met. I look forward to reading his paper on this revolutionary method.

    What Aaron says is true – not only are the Jews absent from hard engineering but they are also absent from theoretical physics and math. Who has ever even HEARD of a Jewish physicist?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  341. Dissident says:
    @AnotherDad

    Lot, you and Ron have been in something of pissing match now.

    Are you sure you would characterize it that way?

    From what I saw (and I believe I read most, if not all, of the relevant comments), only one of the two individuals-in-question resorted to gratuitous sarcasm and mocking insults. The other remained civil throughout. Note that I make no comment on the topic of dispute concerning IQ but only on the conduct and tone of the two respective individuals when engaging with each other.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  342. @Pat Hannagan

    The annoying WASP greed for power and their cloying attempts to hide what they are doing is just basic human nature at work, red in tooth and claw. Let us recall that the Puritans were especially greedy and horny people, that is why their preachers had to bang on about not being so greedy and not always trying to bang your neighbor’s wife. Regular English people, who are naturally decent, don’t need such constant threats of hellfire. Remember, it has been said that greedy WASP rat Jebby Bush was laundering drug money in Miami through real estate transactions. Was he? I wouldn’t doubt it.

    Also, your point brings to my mind that the use of the WASP descriptive term should be narrow and focused on treasonous money-grubbing filth like that in the Bush Organized Crime family. The regular people of English ancestry in New England and the South are wonderful. I have some English ancestry, and I don’t consider myself a WASP.

    The WASPs are a particular branch of the WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire, and, before that, the British Empire, who use the worst aspects of their own human nature to greedily destroy and grub for money.

    General George Washington was not a WASP, he was an Anglo-Norman.

    General Andrew Jackson was not a WASP, he was Scotch-Irish.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  343. @Steve Sailer

    Andrew Jackson was a lawyer and a judge, as well as a planter and a general and a representative and president, too.

  344. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That would be Mikhoels. One of my cousins by marriage is related to him.

    Even more tragic is the story of the Yiddish poet Itzik Feffer:

    “In 1948, after the assassination of the JAC [Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee] Chairman Solomon Mikhoels, Feffer, along with other JAC members, was arrested and accused of treason. Feffer had been an informer for the NKVD (predecessor of the KGB) since 1943. Feffer reportedly cooperated with the investigation, providing false information that would lead to the arrest and indictment of over a hundred people, but at the trial, he made openly nationalistic statements and expressed pride in his Jewish identity. Feffer had also allegedly been one of the “most loyal and conformist Yiddish poets”, who had helped to enforce strict ideological control over other Yiddish writers, and had a history of denouncing colleagues for their “nationalistic hysteria”. However, in 1952, Feffer, along with other defendants, was tried at a closed JAC trial, and executed on August 12, 1952, at Lubyanka prison.

    Feffer was rehabilitated posthumously in 1955, after Stalin’s death.

    Feffer and Mikhoels were sent to the US on fund raising tours with the American Jewish community during WWII.

    • Replies: @L Bean
  345. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Don’t forget Einstein either.

  346. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen

    “supposedly non-Gaussian at the tails, so more high end talent than might be expected from assuming a normal distribution. That might render these kinds of off the cuff estimates of +4 SD talents somewhat off.”

    When raw score results are converted to IQ scores on IQ and similar tests, but convention they are put into a standard normal curve, so the calculations I did will be right absent errors made in norming the test, which again my convention is set at American white IQ at 100, including its Jewish subpopulation.

  347. Svigor says:
    @lavoisier

    I would include medicine and physics in your categories as well. A lot of advances in these fields have been made by Jews.

    I forgot retail, too, though that’s kinda over now.

  348. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    This arrival was “sudden” because Napoleon in every country he occupied during his campaigns introduced laws emancipating Jews. In Russia Jews did not support Napoleon. The Lubavitcher sect stood with Tsar. The same Chabad-Lubavitch became Putin’s court Jews.

  349. Svigor says:
    @anon

    There’s a lot of truth to this, even if your conclusions are overstated. In Israel’s case, the human capital in the diaspora is much higher than that in Israel; the smarter Jews would rather live in the diaspora. One could see this as both a cause and an effect of what you describe.

  350. Dissident says:
    @Ron Unz

    For someone who is absolutely, positively, definitely not Jewish,

    Isn’t that a rather exaggerated, misleading characterization of what Lot actually wrote?

    In comment # 187, you referred-to Lot as a “fanatic Jewish-activist type”.

    In response to that highly pejorative, incendiary characterization, Lot wrote (comment #212),

    I am a Christian of a bit less than half Jewish heritage, was raised going to church semi-regularly in small metro areas that were under 1% Jewish and not knowing a single practicing Jew other than a single elementary school classmate. I have never been to Israel, have never been part of any Jewish organization, and know maybe three Hebrew words. I am also not an activist of any sort, though when I was in HS and college I was involved, at a low level, with Republican politics. And I am quite sure that you spend at least ten times the amount of time on these issues than I do, and with far more passion.

    it is pretty rich for you to throw around the word “activist” and “fanatic.”

    In his reply to your incendiary characterization that I quoted above, Lot elaborated,

    “Am I a Jew” does not have a simple answer. In general Americans care about your beliefs much more than ethnicity on the Jew v. Christian issue.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  351. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    The problem with right-wing anti-Semites is even the less nutty ones exaggerate the disproportion, minimize the non-Jewish responsibility, never seek to weigh the damage caused by the cultmarx Jews with the benefits bestowed by others, and wink-and-nood their approval of genocide.

    In my case I’m mirroring Jews. Despite their enormous privilege in America, they wildly exaggerate antisemitism, go well beyond minimizing Jewish responsibility and deny it altogether, never seek to weigh what nationalists get right against what they get wrong, and give every indication of inching us toward a gulag state.

    Note I don’t need any qualifiers like “right-wing” here; I’m talking about organized Jewry and the Jewish establishment.

  352. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    There’s also the issue of what is the point of the debate on who started the third world immivasion? Would it really be productive here in 2018 to try to figure the number of excess drunk-driving deaths caused by the Irish, Finnish, and Russian Americans compared to Americans whose ancestors evolved to better handle beer and wine?

    There’s no debate. Jews are among the top, if not the top, perpetrators. Sort of like how there’s no debate on the holocaust; the debate is in the imaginations of the genocide(by open borders)-deniers.

  353. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Didn’t goys make Birth of a Nation? I would much rather have seen that Hollywood go somewhere…

  354. Jack D says:
    @3g4me

    He [me] sees Jews as having given to America, rather than having taken – so ultimately no real ‘thanks’ or feeling of having been given a gift by being allowed in is necessary.

    Thanks for putting words in my mouth. This is 100% opposite to what I believe. You have to understand that I literally owe my existence to America – if the American GIs had not showed up to liberate my father , there would be no me.

    Not only that, but even before the Germans showed up, Jews were, in most of Europe for most of history (including the Poland that my parents grew up in in the 1930s) fundamentally 2nd class citizens who were never fully accepted as fellow (Poles, Hungarians, etc.) in the way that most Americans (part of present company excepted) accept (have always accepted) Jews as being their fellow Americans. (American Jews perhaps benefitted from the fact that blacks already serve the role of hated “other” so there was no need for Jews to play this part.)

    I have spoken many times to my mother-in-law (still going strong at 96) and American anti-Semitism of the 1930s (perhaps the peak for American anti-Semitism – see Father Coughlin) although far beyond what we would tolerate nowadays in our wonderfully enlightened and anti-racist age, was still NOTHING compared to European anti-Semitism (even putting aside the Nazis). America has literally been the best thing that ever happened to the Jews in the entire history of the diaspora, not excluding 16th century Poland (the “Paradisus Iudaeorum”) and not excluding al Andalus. America has been so good to the Jews that it is literally killing the Jews with kindness.

    I fully appreciate this and whatever small measure that I and my fellow Jews can give back to America is nothing compared to what America has given to us. As I have said before, the loudmouth kvetchers that you hear from are not representative – they are often people with literal daddy issues for whom America stands in place of their actual (but distant unloving ) fathers – their hatred of the one is displaced upon the other. Ingratitude is a fundamental part of this syndrome – the more you do for such people, the MORE they hate you – they hate you BECAUSE you have done so much for them, not in spite of that.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  355. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, the holocaust gave Jews their permanent excuse to end all other excuses.

    Or maybe one excuse to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

    Why didn’t the tens of millions of murders owed to the Soviets put “anti-racism,” anti-majoritarianism, anti-anti-Semitism, race-blindness, race-obscurantism, outcome-equalitarianism, and leftism in general permanently to bed?

    PR (Jews are big in the PR biz).

    P.S. you sound like you’re LARPing as Kaganovich or Beria.

    • Replies: @Moses
  356. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Intelligence is not unidimensional. There are more significant factors. Besides the g-fatcor there is s-factor, i.e., the 2nd largest factor from the principal component analysis. The value of ratio g/s depends on structure of the battery of tests. If more tests favoring 3-d cognitive skills are included in the battery of tests on which one does factor analysis then the ratio g/s will be smaller. Different batteries of tests will yield different g/s ratios. Which means that g and s are also somewhat arbitrary. Associating intelligence with one factor (g-factor) is wrong but the concept was pushed for reductionist reasons by Spearman. Spearman did not have mathematical tools to extract all factor.

  357. I will try to quickly address Jewish (Ashkenazi) over-representation among elites from my personal experience being both half Ashkenazi and spending several years between DC and NY.

    First, I’m sure nepotism is a contributing factor. Being the child of an alumni at an Ivy is equivalent to a substantial SAT bump, from what I recall reading.

    Second, in all business environments I’ve encountered (law, finance, et al), top positions are filled according to – as Jordan Peterson describes – “hierarchies of competence.” There’s affirmative action and nepotism for the staff, but not at the C-level or anywhere near.

    That said, Ashkenazi have a different average personality profile that should be advantageous in competitive business environments:

    1) Low agreeableness: Ashkenazi are described as being pushy, argumentative, and having chutzpah (intellectual, and social chutzpah, anyways). This is all the result of low agreeableness. As many of you already know, or can imagine, being non-agreeable can be very advantageous in certain environments (I believe there’s research backing this up).

    2) Obsessive-compulsive: Ashkenazi can become easily obsessed and myopically focused on a topic or pursuit. When this relates to a business venture or career path, it can lead to great success. This is a defining personality trait in Ashkenazi and I see it in myself, my wife, and friends and family. Unfortunately for me, my constant obsessions have never overlapped with anything of utility (alpine climbing, marathons, HBD research, et al). Not so for my wife, who can grind like a Korean on her business ventures. I’ve noticed this isn’t a result of her work ethic but her obsessive nature.

    3) High energy: Ashkenazi tend to be high energy. People are predisposed to set energy levels that vary greatly. I’ve noticed Ashkenazi tend to be fidgety and high energy.

    I loathe Ashkenazi leftism as much as anyone here. To paraphrase Chris Rock, if they let me join the KKK… But, unlike blacks, I believe Ashkeanzi’s primary shortcoming – adhering to the religion of equality – is more culturally malleable. So I hope. According to polls 20% of us are still sane, and some of us even love Anglo America more than Israel.

  358. Svigor says:
    @Ron Unz

    Based on everything I’ve seen, I’d say that the mean IQ of American Jews in recent decades has probably been roughly 110 or so, considerably above the white average. However, numerous other white sub-populations, mostly far greater in size, also have IQs well above the white average. So taking all these factors into account, I’d guess that roughly 80-90% of high-IQ American whites are non-Jewish. Jews are certainly well above average, but not *that* much above average…

    Is that an American Ashkenazi mean, or an American diaspora Jews in general mean? Incidentally, 110 is the mean I used when I did my back-of-a-napkin calculations and came up with a worldwide (i.e., Israel included) Jewish mean of 107.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  359. utu says:
    @Jack D

    America has literally been the best thing that ever happened to the Jews in the entire history of the diaspora, not excluding 16th century Poland (the “Paradisus Iudaeorum”)

    Poland paid highest price for being Paradisus Iudaeorum. Will see how it goes for America being Jewish paradise.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  360. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    What is the actual threat? It is the Third World invasion, or the ethnic background of its advocates?

    What is the actual threat? The virus, or the disease it causes?

    “Dr. Bishop, why are you looking into the origins of this virus? Shouldn’t we be concentrating on other things?”

    Nationalist Jews unfortunately lack the ability to make anti-white Jews shut up.

    That’s because there’s like five of you guys.

  361. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I will have a chat with the Elders of Zion and recommend that they heed your wise counsel.

    The problem with leftist idiots is that they are idiots (sometimes high IQ idiots but idiots nonetheless). There is no cure for idiocy. Leftist idiots have fundamentally flawed (but noble sounding and well intentioned) notions about human nature. From these flawed notions all their other conclusions follow and since they are build on flawed assumptions it is impossible for them to get the right answers.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  362. anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Only libtards want to limit free speech in the west. SS better knock off the censorship if he doesn’t want to be confused for a libtard.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  363. L Bean says:
    @Jack D

    One of my cousins by marriage is related to him.

    This comment alone arouses virulent Anti-Semanticism.

  364. Jack D says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Apparently you define WASP to mean “white Anglo-Saxon Protestant that I don’t like” . If someone is a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant but you like him, then by definition he is NOT a WASP. While this may work for you, I don’t think it works as a general matter.

  365. 3g4me says:
    @Twinkie

    @306 Twinkie: “While I appreciate being featured so prominently in your diatribe, you 1) misrepresent my views and 2) present a false choice”

    I’m sorry if that was the impression you took from my musings; it genuinely was not my intent when writing it. I respect your views, while I disagree with them, and as you have been one of the more lucid and rational defenders of the ‘civic’ position, you quickly came to mind as an example. It truly was not any attempt to demonize you or particularly personalize my argument.

    As far as a “false choice” is concerned, I strongly disagree. That we may define civic nationalism differently may be part of the disagreement, but I repeat that, regardless of whether me or mine are included in someone’s definition of America, I believe the original iteration of America is of far greater value than merely my personal family, however much I may love my children. I recognize this is not a particularly widespread feeling or position, and from your writings I don’t believe you share it – that you believe the continuance of you and yours and some variant of original America would be preferable and is possible. I do not concur.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  366. Svigor says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    It’s striking, how much unfunny junk they put on TV and label “comedy.” I’ve seen many recommendations of CYE here over the years, and sometimes think about watching it. Please tell me that was a low water mark.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @J.Ross
  367. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m basically proposing a deal, the one proposed by 1970s neocons: Jews shouldn’t persecute white gentiles for overrepresentation in good jobs relative to blacks, and gentiles shouldn’t persecute Jews for overrepresentation in the really goods jobs relative to gentiles.

    This goes against Lenin’s All Power to the Soviets!

    How, then, can anyone oppose the transfer of all power in the state to the Soviets? Such opposition means nothing but renouncing democracy!

    Less power for the middle means more power at the top. The top will be using the bottom to weaken the middle. Time to wake up.

  368. Svigor says:
    @SFG

    2. Most Jews are OK enough with gentile whites to intermarry with them. The obsession with Jewish babies and nasty screeds about shiksas you see on Jewish websites are a reaction to this reality. However, they intermarry into the most liberal and urban sections of the white population, so the political needle tends to move little over time. And don’t forget the liberal and urban gentile segments like to look down on their conservative rural brethren too.

    According to the leftist narrative, most White slave owners were OK enough with Blacks to make babies with them. Barry Bonds is an anti-White racist married to a White woman.

    I find the slave owner analogy apt; White slave owners loved their Black slaves when they did their work, sang, danced, and smiled. They didn’t love them so much when they started reading abolitionist lit, trying to escape, or killed White folks.

    Jews are like that toward Whites.

    Anon wrote:

    Jewish women have been flocking to black men for decades. Now Jewish men are also starting to marry black women.

    Hogwash.

  369. 3g4me says:
    @Steve Sailer

    @321 Steve: Hope you get well soon. Moderation of comments, on whatever time frame, is not something your readers have a right to complain about – it’s your site (via Ron’s hosting) and if people want to speak their minds untrammeled by anyone else’s moderation, they can start their own blogs. You have more patience than I, particularly with various individuals’ personal hobbyhorses.

    • Agree: Benjaminl
  370. @Ron Unz

    Hey, waidaminnit! I am actually Scots-Irish! Stop with culturally misappropriating my heritage! (Is that the appropriate response in this day and age of micro-, nano-, and pico-aggressions? I lost my Pokemon Intersectionality cards so I’m going off memory…)

    • Replies: @Lot
  371. Lot says:
    @utu

    Ashkenazi could have fatter IQ tails due to the various recent mutations that affect IQ much more then the gen pop IQ genes which typically involve only .5 or less point effect.

  372. @Jack D

    I will have a chat with the Elders of Zion and recommend that they heed your wise counsel.

    That’s a polite brush-off, I guess, but it shows you didn’t read my comments thoroughly. Here’s what you missed, Jack (at the least):

    Nah, first, I don’t think it is part of any grand plan.

    OK on that?

    Yes, there is no cure for idiocy, yet Peak Stupidity is nigh simply due to the financial turmoil that is coming. The problem we’ve had is that the idiots have been let to run things in America for quite some time. It’s OK to have idiots, but not in positions of power. That’s why people used to follow the US Constitution. Smaller government, less government power, smaller media due to less influence, fewer idiots in power as government and media are both idiot “hot spots”.

    This relates to the subject simply due to a disproportionate number of the idiots in power in government and media being of a certain persuasion, and I tried to explain that, as does Steve Sailer often.

  373. Apparently you define WASP to mean “white Anglo-Saxon Protestant that I don’t like” . If someone is a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant but you like him, then by definition he is NOT a WASP. While this may work for you, I don’t think it works as a general matter.

    Seems logical to me. Auchincloss all the way to WASPville. When I use WASP I use it the way Awkinclaus used it. Auchincloss is a Scottish surname. I bet his friends would point that out to him while they were drunk and full of an impish spirit.

    People of English ancestry are wonderful for the most part. WASPs are usually money-grubbing dirtbag weasels with no honor. The Bush Organized Crime Family is a pack of money-grubbing weasels with no honor.

  374. Anonymous[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    With respect to Ivy League acceptances, perhaps Jews are over represented because they make up the majority of “white” applicants? In my area, the only kids who are interested in elite schools are Jewish kids, Asian kids and legacy kids. Everyone else including the top athletes seem only interested in state schools. Perhaps gentile whites are not well represented because they don’t apply to elite schools to begin with.

    It would be interesting to see what % among white applicants are actually of Jewish descent, and what % among all applicants are of Asian descent. I think only then can we make a meaningful comparison on whether Jews are accepted at a higher rate than other whites, or whether Asians are accepted at a lower rate than all other groups.

    In fact I hope the DOJ probe makes this data public at Harvard, the rate of acceptance for each group. I suspect one major reason they don’t make this data public is because the public will be shocked at how much higher the rate of acceptance is for blacks compared to all other groups.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  375. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    Christian whites want an Israel? How about Georgia and Armenia? The ancestors of the Ashkenazi left rhe Levant about the same time a lot of the ancestors of the Slavs and Eastern Germanics left this general area. No African migrants and very few Jews there! Armenians think Noah landed his ark there and have been Christians the longest

    Really though Israel is about 20% “hostile natives” so maybe one of the more Maori parts of NZ.

    • Replies: @Silva
  376. Z-man says:
    @anon

    You think this is bad, try posting on Breitbart. If you say something that even hints at anti Zionist rhetoric your post is removed. Other ‘Disqus’ sites are even worse and ban you for just not following the ‘party’ line. So don’t complain about this site or even this columnist.

  377. res says:
    @Jack D

    I agree that what you describe is true in many cases. Do you agree that my description is also true in many cases? (BTW, that is indicative of not “completely the wrong way”) How many situations that could (should IMHO) be resolved by two parties talking to each other and trying to resolve things in a civilized and reasonable manner turn into immensely expensive lawyerfests (or lawfare, see the Caputo thread) which well resemble the both defect case of the prisoner’s dilemma. If people are unable to be be civilized and reasonable arbitration can work well at lower cost.

    I watched a good friend go through years of neighbor war in this very expensive fashion. Two obstinate older men (one of whom I liked very much much and the other whom I liked to the degree I knew him) emotionally invested in a battle.

    I understand that lawyers (some at least) fill an essential role in our society (and AnotherDad’s comment alluded to this), but there is a lot of negative externality there as well.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  378. res says:
    @Anonymous

    But white gentiles generally aren’t overrepresented. If you look at the data, white gentiles generally are about as represented as their share of the population, or even underrepresented.

    This is a key point. And I suspect it is one of the main reasons we are not “allowed” to talk about Jewish overrepresentation.

    Moreover, white gentile representation in a particular field or industry generally isn’t hostile or antagonistic towards Jews. Whereas Jewish overrepresentation in say the media or academia is characterized by the development and promotion of a culture that is hostile or antagonistic towards white gentiles.

    Another good point.

  379. @Dissident

    There’s tools on the web to download any YouTube content, easily found with Google and a question.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  380. @utu

    Very sad to see this sort of toxic, hate-filled semitism and genocidal jewish supremacism still openly promoted in the current year. Try to be more tolerant, please.

  381. @Charles Pewitt

    Stephen Miller is a somewhat honest Jew, and that is the best you can hope for.

    Yeah, he’s no Bobby Fischer, but he’s a relatively righteous Jew.

  382. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong, the largest n study of US Jews showed about 115.

    I just read yesterday one study looking at multiple child applicant to day school studies with thousands of tests and the results went as high as 121.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Ron Unz
    , @res
  383. res says:
    @Jack D

    Hitler permanently changed the stakes on anti-Semitism

    Yes. He changed an already hypersensitive group into a hyper^4 sensitive group. Perhaps that is a rational response. But if you can’t see how (blockquoted as a separate idea because sentence too long and convoluted ow)

    anti-white animus combined with denunciation of anyone who dares to point out that that “white overrepresentation” criticized by Jews (not all Jews and not all who say that are Jews, OK Lot?, to my mind that is implicit when I say things like that) is in actuality Jewish overrepresentation and if anything non-Jewish whites are underrepresented compared to their population percentage

    is a problem then I am not sure what to say.

    But one day you realize that those weeds are not dandelions, they are really poison ivy. Suddenly you are not willing to tolerate them at all, even a little and will do everything in your power to stomp them out.

    And how should a rational and intelligent “weed” respond to this? Especially when the weed judger lumps dandelions in with poison ivy?

    Jack, in all sincerity, IMHO Jewish interpretation of even the mildest statements as an existential threat is in itself an existential threat. And I don’t consider either aspect of that a good thing.

  384. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon

    You are using an anonymous handle on a board that does not want you trying to do that and meta-babbling about rules while namecalling and sowing division.
    >people will think Steve is a liberal
    Allow me to blow your mind: Steve is a liberal. He’s just not a genocidal totalitarian feminazi, which folks have been confusing with liberalism lately.

  385. Jack D says:
    @utu

    Except in the mind of anti-Semites, the downfall of Poland had nothing to do with the fact that it was the “Paradise of the Jews”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  386. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    Are you that bitterly humorless? Or what do you like better?

    Short Curb clips online can be good, but typically the best joke of the show is in the final half minute after being set up the prior half hour. The 30 minute rather than 22 minute with commercials sitcom format helps with this. So does the lack of a laugh track.

    I have a mental image of Svig watching Curb on YouTube and raising his dyspeptic Gestapo-wannabe humors rising up every time Larry’s on camera till he has to shut it all down.

    If you want a specific suggestion that is really good and a less Jewy and slapsticky than most, watch the first episode of Season 2, “the Car Salesman.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Svigor
  387. AaronB says:
    @Jack D

    I am sorry I hit a sore spot, Jack. I’m sure you’re perfectly intelligent – I merely meant you have unintelligent arguments on this thread, like lot. Like lot, the idea is if you repeat them enough, people with less passion will accept them. I get it. But I don’t think this old tactic will work anymore.

    I am glad you accept that high level jewish accomplishment in math and physics has collapsed. I suppose it’s scarcely possible to pretend otherwise since Ron Unz has demonstrated it to so unequivocally.

    Look, I’m half-Jewish myself. I certainly don’t hate jews. The myth of Jewish brilliance wrecks the lives of countless Jews, as they fail to measure up to an ideal that was a propaganda tool and never had any basis in reality. I’ve seen it myself countless times. Many Jews suffer from “imposter syndrome” – and a tremendous amount of Jewish success is based on bluster and self-promotion.

    All this leads to tremendous psychological strain for Jews, and a very unhealthy situation. And it’s perfectly understandable – you are a distinct nation with a culture that tells you you must be supreme. Since you can’t naturally be supreme, all sorts of tricks and games, resentments, and the like, must be employed.

    The Zionists understood this well. The solution is of course to be healthy and happy in Israel.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  388. @Lot

    The biggest studies that used mass mandatory testing from the 1950s shows the mostly unmixed US Ashkenazi of that generation are around 115

    Oy gevalt. Clearly “mass mandatory studies” means something entirely different in Yiddish than what it clearly denotes in the English language. Either that, or you’re attempting to demolish the “high Ashkenazi IQ” trope in a rather indirect/ meta fashion.

    I see that others have linked to the Vox Day piece on this already, but it’s clear that you need someone to summarize it for you in a simpler fashion, that you find easier to comprehend. The actual origin of the “115 IQ” canard is as follows (leaving aside the constant attempts to conflate “Ashkenazi” with “Jewish” — what’s the average IQ of Mizrahim again?):

    This number originates with Cochran and Harpending’s work, which cited a 112-115 range for Ashkenazi IQ. Jewish supremacists always take the top end of this range, of course, because reasons. (The 112-115 range given is already at the top end of published measurements). That’s not a primary source, though.

    So where did Cochran and Harpending get this number from? I’m glad you asked.

    A 1957 study by Boris Levinson entitled “The Intelligence of Applicants for Admission to Jewish Day Schools” published in Jewish Social Studies,Vol. 19, No. 3/4 (Jul. – Oct., 1957), pp. 129-140.

    “This study is limited to applicants for Day Schools adhering to the principles of the National Commission for Yeshiva Education. This sampling does not claim to represent the entire Jewish school population or even those children attending yeshiva Day Schools with a different educational emphasis.”

    The study tested on;y 38% of the pupils, without any description of the selection process — more selection bias. Yeah, that really sounds like some “mass mandatory studies” there, doesn’t it?

    Vox Day also points out that the Levinson study cites a prior (1956 ) IQ study performed by Robert D. North, involving a group of American fourth-graders from 16 independent private schools. What was the average IQ in that study? 119.3
    Dang, so White Europeans have an average IQ over 119? Who knew? It’s the same “reasoning” process, and just as valid…

    Vox Day also goes through the IQ numbers for Israel (avg. IQ = 95). Sure, they try to blame it on the Arabs, but the numbers just don’t work. If Ashkenazi IQ = 115, and Arab IQ = 84 (avg IQ for Jordan), for Israeli average IQ to be 95, non-Ashkenazi Jews would have to have an average IQ of 85.

    Looks like that average IQ of 95 correlates pretty well with their academic performance, too:

  389. AaronB says:
    @Lot

    Keep on repeating it. Over and over again. No matter how many times it is disproved. Endlessly.

    Eventually, the less passionate will just submit. Excellent work, lot.

    Maybe create a bot?

  390. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    I suspect one major reason they don’t make this data public is because the public will be shocked at how much higher the rate of acceptance is for blacks compared to all other groups.

    I don’t know what the RATE is and whether it would be shocking but what is more or less known and what IS shocking is the difference in STANDARDS. To get into a place like Harvard, the average black needs maybe 100 fewer points per SAT section than a white applicant and maybe 150 fewer than an Asian. An Asian with a 650 math score goes right into the reject pile at Harvard. A black with a 650 is a strong candidate and has a good chance of getting in. That the Asian’s parents work as dishwashers in a Chinese restaurant and speak no English and that the black’s parents have some comfortable AA sinecure as bank VPs in the HR dept. has no weight.

  391. Ron Unz says:
    @Svigor

    Is that an American Ashkenazi mean, or an American diaspora Jews in general mean? Incidentally, 110 is the mean I used when I did my back-of-a-napkin calculations and came up with a worldwide (i.e., Israel included) Jewish mean of 107.

    Well, I think something like 95% of American Jews are Askhenazi, so the numbers are basically the same. And given the fuzziness of all the samples, my 110 figure is a very rough estimate. Most importantly, I also think it’s extremely time-dependent and determined by the particular age-cohort since it seems pretty clear that Jewish-American IQ has been dropping rapidly in recent decades.

    The main reason is pretty simple. Smart, secular Jews tend to have 1-2 children starting very late, and with the smartest ones generally having the fewest. Meanwhile, ultra-religious Jews, who seem much more intellectually mediocre, may have 7-8, starting in their early twenties. It’s basically a super-extreme version of the more widespread dysgenic effect people regularly talk about.

  392. res says:
    @Jack D

    Largely true. The primary counterexample I am aware of is research showing extremely high intelligence relative to followers (e.g. > ~2SD difference) is a negative for leaders. To some degree this can be mitigated by hierarchies of leadership (e.g. I have seen this used as a reason for the commissioned officer / noncom split).

    Here is an example: https://www.inc.com/jt-odonnell/science-says-120-is-the-optimal-iq-to-be-considere.html
    That is based on research from Dean Simonton. Also see counterpoint at (iSteve has several good comments here) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/08/31/myth-30-iq-communication-range
    I seem to recall chasing references once and finding some military research that came to that conclusion, but I can’t find my references at the moment.

    Are you aware of any leadership research to the contrary?

    P.S. For anyone who doubts Jack’s assertion, this is a good brief introduction to the SMPY/TIP research conclusions he cites: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2016/09/smpy-in-nature.html

  393. Jack D says:
    @res

    Believe it or not, most lawyers are in favor of settlements. (Sometimes they favor them for selfish reasons – if the client settles then he can’t blame you when later on you lose in court). When I have seen disputes drag out in the way you describe, this is usually driven by stubborn client(s), not by lawyers. Lawyers will often engage in a form of chest thumping – “We are willing to spend whatever it takes (of my clients money) to drag you thru the mud and emerge with your head on a pike” in order to intimidate the other side into settling, not because they really want to do this. The exceptions (aside from stubborn old men) are usually when the other side is the government and they have unlimited amounts of (other people’s) money to actually do this.

    • Replies: @res
  394. Ron Unz says:
    @Lot

    Wrong, the largest n study of US Jews showed about 115.

    Really? Here’s a link to the table in Richard Lynn’s THE CHOSEN PEOPLE showing various Jewish IQ tests over the years. People should take a look and decide for themselves whether you’re honest or dishonest:

    http://www.unz.com/_book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#t_141

    Furthermore, the massive GSS dataset I quoted upthread suggested a Jewish IQ of 109, and various other large datasets have been in the similar range.

    • Replies: @Lot
  395. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    other than maybe me

    How maybe? You have either said at some sort of company meeting or whatever: “This anti-white discrimination is outrageous” or you haven’t.

    If you are in the UK, you guys seem to be well farther down the PC hole than we do. Probably the people you describe are either too afraid or too brainwashed to speak. Why don’t you ask them? And if you won’t, what are your motives, since you are obviously not too brainwashed to speak, at least on this topic?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  396. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    I have a mental image of Svig watching Curb on YouTube and raising his dyspeptic Gestapo-wannabe humors rising up every time Larry’s on camera till he has to shut it all down.

    See, that’s not “humour” to most people. It sounds like deranged ranting. This links back to discussions on the recent South Asian thread: different people find different things funny. And the Hollywood bubble is increasingly distancing itself from what normal people find funny. This Kondabalu character, the Wolf woman– simply in a different world from normal people anywhere.

  397. res says:
    @AaronB

    Professors at elite unis like Oxford have an IQ average of 125 (!), and CEOS average 115.

    Some thoughts:
    - Since there are so many more people with 120 IQs than 150 IQs this follows fairly naturally from rarity in the population combined with skills other than IQ being important. As an example, consider applying an IQ threshold. For high thresholds the average will be very close to the threshold because of the shape of the distribution.
    - “Oxford professors” lumps various disciplines with potentially quite different IQ profiles together. Especially in an age of copious affirmative action.
    - CEOs is interestingly low. I think that is explained by the leadership issue I mention above (along with the usual need to rise through the ranks) combined with the extreme importance of skills other than IQ.

    Vox Day discusses and provides links to how success in elite professions go DOWN after about IQ 130. It’s very fascinating.

    Vox Day is one of the more interesting sources on this. I think this is one of his more relevant posts (can you suggest others?): http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-excluded.html
    It is largely based on this: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html
    which I think makes more sense to focus on (and is worth a read, agree with the conclusions or not). Ferguson computes results adjusting for the shape of the IQ distribution and makes interesting points, but I have trouble reconciling his conclusions with the SMPY/TIP results.

  398. Ron Unz says:
    @Jack D

    Jews were, in most of Europe for most of history (including the Poland that my parents grew up in in the 1930s) fundamentally 2nd class citizens who were never fully accepted as fellow (Poles, Hungarians, etc.) in the way that most Americans (part of present company excepted) accept (have always accepted) Jews as being their fellow Americans.

    Whereas I think “Lot” is totally disingenuous, my guess is that “Jack D” is sincerely, but massively, massively misinformed, based on having lived his whole life drenched in the dishonest propaganda of previous generations of individuals like “Lot.”

    Frankly, I don’t regard myself as an expert in the economics or sociology of Eastern Europe in previous centuries, but from everything I’ve read, Jews were among the most privileged elements of the local population, generally being members of the local “One Percent” (or maybe “Five Percent”).

    It is true that towards the end of the 19th century, there was growing Jewish impoverishment, but that was due to the exponential growth of the Jewish population, which overwhelmed the very lucrative economic niches they had traditionally controlled. In the famous words of W.D. Hamilton, they “outbred their food supply.”

    At least that’s my impression. Commenters with more detailed knowledge of the history should correct my mistakes.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Jack D
    , @Lot
  399. res says:
    @Yan Shen

    Cochran covers (with references) this in (same as your Wiki reference) http://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

    Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995) noted “The correlation between verbal and performance tests is about 0.77 in the general population, but only 0.31 among Jewish children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this size difference.” The Ashkenazi pattern of success is what one would expect from this ability distribution-great success in mathematics and literature, more typical results in representational painting, sculpture, and architecture.

    Also (you will like the last sentence ; ):

    There is variation in the way different subtests contribute to IQ. Males, for example, usually outperform females on spatial and quantitative tasks while females do better on tasks related to language. There are also group differences: Ashkenazim do not show any marked advantage on spatial tasks while they excel at linguistic and arithmetic tasks. Northeast Asians have high spatial scores for a given overall IQ.

    • Agree: Yan Shen
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  400. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    For example La Graff du Lion postulates fat tail for Jewish IQ so they can ‘explains’ Jewish over representation that even regular Gaussian can’t ‘explain’. This is not science it is just obnoxious Jewish activism.

    Actually, that why I think my use of the collection of massive NMS datasets in my Meritocracy analysis is so helpful since it completely circumvents the endless arguments over Jewish/non-Jewish IQs, fat tails and similar things.

    For many decades, America has each year selected and listed the highest-performing 16,000 H.S. students based on the PSAT. (More or less coincidentally, the total number of students entering the Ivies and other very elite colleges each year is roughly the same number.)

    Based on all available information, roughly 6-7% of those top-performing NMS students are Jewish and roughly 60-65% are Gentile whites. Regardless of IQ scores, non-Gaussian distributions, or anything else, those are actual empirical facts about the relative ratios of America’s highest-performing students.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Bliss
  401. Old Jew says:
    @Svigor

    Dear Svigor,

    When I was young, many, many computer scientists were Jews.

  402. Lot says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Short of posting your 23andme results, Unz has a policy of disbelieving Scots-Irish claims, especially if you show signs of Zionism. In reality, the Euro-Christians who are most likely to be pro-Israel extremists seem to be Orangemen, while the Irish Catholics are extremely pro-Arab. Indeed, the IRA had links with the PLO, while the Ulster Resistance may have received arms covertly from Israel. The Rev. Ian Paisley was a co-founder of Northern Ireland Friends of Israel, which has a cool blog:

    https://nifriendsofisrael.wordpress.com/

    I felt a bit of affinity for Mitt Romney when I learned his British ancestors were in the middle of the Ellis Island Era, as opposed to the large majority of US English blood coming from before the Civil War. One of my great-great grandparents was born in Ireland, moved to England when he was very young, and then to the USA in his late teens. He went back to England via steamship for a visit at least twice in his lifetime. My great-grandmother (his daughter) told me he nonetheless considered himself Scottish. His wife also immigrated from England as a teen around the same time, but she was plain English-English.

  403. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is true that towards the end of the 19th century, there was growing Jewish impoverishment, but that was due to the exponential growth of the Jewish population, which overwhelmed the very lucrative economic niches they had traditionally controlled. In the famous words of W.D. Hamilton, they “outbred their food supply.”

    This is more your area of expertise than mine, but wasn’t there a great difference between the way Poles treated the Jews, and the way Russians treated the Jews?

    Also, did Jews being forced outside their traditional roles help create the Jewish successes of that era?

  404. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Sure, the Jewish people has been the one innocent and unspotted lamb throughout history, offered up to G-d as a sacrifice. The problem is no non-Jews believe that.

  405. sayless says:
    @res

    With regard to farm families and the Ivy League: It’s possible that kids from those communities are not accepted because there aren’t as many application-enhancing activities available to them. The tiny rural school I attended only had Future Farmers of America. A kid could have excellent SAT scores and no chance of getting in.

    But I think the ethnic bias has a lot of influence on admissions.

    William Deresiewicz pointed out that the most underrepresented demographic cohort at the Ivies are working class and rural whites.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Twinkie
    , @res
  406. @Tyrion 2

    I also wrote ‘otherwise reasonable’. Please don’t delete key words.

    Dawg, I blockquoted you in full immediately prior. Don’t dodge the question—who are the “otherwise reasonable people who talk like Hitler did”? All you’ve offered is a non-sequitur 2005 Gallup poll on affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  407. res says:
    @FrankT

    Some interesting data there. I wish there was a more reliably sourced version.

  408. Jack D says:
    @Ron Unz

    While I am not equipped to speak about what went on in Eastern Europe in previous centuries, I think I have a pretty good idea (having grown up with people who lived there) what life was like for Jews in Poland in the interwar period. Generally speaking Jews in Poland were (in part by their own choice but in part because they were not accepted) regarded as a separate people or ethnicity (as were certain other groups – Ukrainians, Armenians, Gypsies, etc.) that no one thought of as being “Polish”. The same was true in the Soviet Union. “Jewish” was a completely separate ethnicity that “Polish” or “Russian”. Many elderly Jews did not even speak Polish and could only speak Yiddish. American Jews have never (except perhaps by anti-Semites) been thought of as being in a completely separate category from Americans of other religions, to the point where most Americans have difficulty understanding the meaning of “Jewish” vs. “Polish” or “Russian” in E. European terms. The closest we might get is the situation in Quebec where you have two nationalities living side by side and even sharing a common citizenship but clearly identifying as either “Francophone” or “Anglophone”.

    It may have been that at one time (long before my parent’s time or even any surviving ancestral lore) the Jews of Poland were a small and privileged elite group but, as you say there was a massive population explosion among Polish Jews in the 18th and 19th century to the point that they constituted 10% of the population (and concentrated in the cities and in their little Jewish majority shtetls, where they were an even higher %). If you have only a handful of Jews in your country, maybe they can all get jobs as “trusted financial advisor to the king” or “court physician” or whatever but when you are 10% of the population (of an overall poor country) it’s just not possible and a lot of Polish Jews ended up in dire poverty.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  409. Joe862 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I think you’re getting close to the problem with the susceptibility to propaganda. I think peer pressure is a bigger problem. Brainy people tend to be separated from more normal people, kept with their peers and the high achievers are those that will do anything for approval, to get the grade, be accepted into the elite school, etc. This is a good motivator for achievement but also makes them very vulnerable to manipulation. If they believe the smart people have a particular set of beliefs how likely are they to openly disagree? They have too much invested. This, to me, is a huge and interesting problem.

  410. res says:
    @Lot

    I don’t mean to use antisemite pejoratively, and agree it is used too readily. But we do need a word to describe people whose negative opinions on Jews inform a lot of their worldview. You must agree it is a distinct group?

    There are many levels of this. A non-exhaustive and perhaps not strictly ordered list:
    - Observing Jewish overrepresentation in various areas with no value judgment (or even a positive one like because IQ).
    - The former, with an assumption reasons like ethnic nepotism are present.
    - The former with an assumption it is all ethnic nepotism (or similar).
    - Actively wishing Jews in the media were less vocal with their anti-white rhetoric.
    - Actively wishing Jews were less powerful in the US.
    - Actively wishing Jews were removed from the US.
    - Actively wishing Jews were removed.

    FWIW, I would categorize myself in the second and fourth groups. Which I happen to think is a reality based and reasonable position. In my opinion, even the first (!) is considered proof of anti-Semitism for many people (at least when a non-Jew does it, when a Jew does it in-group it is laudable).

    I’m not sure how to assess “whose negative opinions on Jews inform a lot of their worldview” for other people (though it is a useful mental “test”). It is very vague and comments here may not be reflective of the degree to which something occupies someone’s mind and/or actions. I think a lot of what we see here (and in more radical places) is frustration stemming from marginalization in respectable discourse.

    A couple months ago someone objected to the term, and I switched to their preferred “countersemite” without complaint, and have used it a few more times since when I thought it would be preferred.

    IIRC Svigor uses that form (not sure if he is your reference). I thought it was a reasonable attempt at conveying a difference. Good of you to go along. There are still issues with definitions. I think it is better to criticize particular actions rather than try lumping them into labels. That enables having a realistic discussion of which actions are considered unreasonable and to what degree.

    If you don’t think they almost all wink and nod about the holocaust (while blogrolling those who explicitly approve) you’re either missing not very subtle jokes or we are thinking of different people.

    I tend not to number those among the “less nutty”, though there might be exceptions. I also have trouble telling desires from jokes in poor taste.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  411. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Your first reference gives an IQ of 112.43 (SD 13.14) for Jews. The second gives 111.24 (Table 2, ADD Health, SD 16.17) and 106.71 (Table 4, Project Talent, note also absurdly low SD of 8.34).

    “Jews were very strong both in V and M, but much weaker spatially.” Which implies and a genetic explanation is a bad explanation.

    Why? This paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/02/14/1607883114
    states: “We show that spatial abilities constitute a single factor, both phenotypically and genetically, even after controlling for g. This spatial ability factor is highly heritable (69%).”

    • Replies: @utu
  412. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    The GSS vocab test has a very low ceiling (too many perfect scores). This depresses scores unevenly, with the higher IQ groups being depressed more than the average and below average groups. Also just using a “Jew” screen results in a group that includes way more blacks than you’d expect, and I presume also some Sephardi.

    I appreciate you putting Lynn’s book online. The link didn’t work on my mobile browser however.

    • Replies: @res
  413. res says:
    @Lot

    Wrong, the largest n study of US Jews showed about 115.

    Lot, regardless of whether this is correct, if you are going to make an assertion like that you really should give a reference!

  414. res says:
    @Jack D

    That makes sense. I would guess the ideal situation is as many billable hours as possible followed by a settlement which eliminates the risk of loss for both lawyers (and their clients).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  415. res says:
    @Lot

    The GSS vocab test has a very low ceiling (too many perfect scores).

    This is a good point. 4% get perfect scores which is a very low ceiling.

    http://halfsigma.typepad.com/half_sigma/2011/07/a-word-about-wordsum.html

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    , @Lot
  416. Jack D says:
    @res

    And this is in fact what you see – lots of depositions and subpoenas for discovery and motions to compel discovery and motions for summary judgment and blah, blah, blah to run up the hours and then the case gets settled.

    • Replies: @res
  417. Yan Shen says:
    @res

    Not directly relevant to the discussion, but one of the funniest things I’ve read on this blog was Anatoly Karlin in all earnestness under the belief that Half Sigma was black…

  418. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    For many decades, America has each year selected and listed the highest-performing 16,000 H.S. students based on the PSAT. (More or less coincidentally, the total number of students entering the Ivies and other very elite colleges each year is roughly the same number.)

    The only issue I see with the National Merit results (based on the PSAT) as a metric is that the cutoffs are state based: https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/
    I think this tends to disfavor Jewish whites relative to non-Jewish whites (i.e. the states where Jews are more prevalent have higher thresholds).
    Background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program#Semifinalist

    Based on all available information, roughly 6-7% of those top-performing NMS students are Jewish and roughly 60-65% are Gentile whites. Regardless of IQ scores, non-Gaussian distributions, or anything else, those are actual empirical facts about the relative ratios of America’s highest-performing students.

    One of the sanity checks I have for debates concerning data validity (here not/Jewish assessments) is to ask the following questions:
    - Who is trying to find or generate the best data possible?
    - Who is just criticizing?
    - Who seems most receptive to the idea of being able to get better data (e.g. promote vs. discourage further research)?

    IMHO those questions have clear implications here.

  419. res says:
    @Jack D

    Right. And that highlights the negative externality induced by the incentives for the lawyers. As necessary as lawyers are for a well functioning society (e.g. the rule of law, enforceable contracts) there are some badly broken incentives.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  420. Since there are many not-Jew friendly commenters, perhaps a few vids will cheer them up…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  421. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Svigor

    CYE and Louie are both sequels to Seinfeld, with CYE continuing pretty faithfully and Louie going into surreal internal sequences; they are almost incomprehensible otherwise.
    A lot of CYE is not funny at all, and its visible-gears structure gets to be inappropriate in comedy. It’s discussed because, like Seinfeld, it happens to be alarmingly true to life, not because it’s funny. ‘Allo ‘Allo is funny but it’s not very realistic.

  422. vinteuil says:
    @res

    “Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995)…”

    This helps to explain what happened to modern art: clever salesmen like Clement Greenberg, with lots of verbal smarts but little in the way of visual sensitivity just kind of moved in and took over. And people with lots of visual sensitivity but not so much in the way of verbal smarts got driven from the field.

    So now we all have to pretend that Mark Rothko was some sort of genius.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  423. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    Thanks for slogging on, Lot, in the face of a really remarkable level of abuse, including from RKU hisself.

    • Replies: @Lot
  424. Realist says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Jews (110 IQ) and Blacks (85 IQ) don’t overlap in their abilities, so they will always be pals, but enemies of the middle – the whites, who overlap both. I can’t see a political solution to this.

    But Jews and blacks do overlap.

  425. Realist says:
    @Svigor

    What’s your solution?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  426. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen

    Honestly I think you should split the difference between yourself and other commenters here on the Jewish IQ question.

    I don’t need to, because I am well informed on the topic. I’d like to know if I am wrong about any of it, and provide the same service to others.

    The quality of the discussion might be improved next time by making sure we aren’t talking past each other, and carefully define whose IQ we are looking at. Ideally, we could have good estimates on all of the following. From what I’ve read, this is where’d I put my money:

    1. Unmixed US Ashkenazi – 114-117
    2. Israeli/European unmixed Ashkenazi 110-115
    3. Western Euro Sephardi (or US, but very few of them left due to heavy intermarriage) 110
    4. Half-Ashkenazi mixed with whites or NE Asians 107-110
    5. Israeli Sephardi 100-105
    6. Jews from Iraq, Iran, India and Syria 100-105
    7. Yemeni Jews 93-98

    Without getting into my actual numbers, you think these are good categories to use? Am I missing any groups of interest? Do you think my ranking is accurate?

    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @Bliss
  427. vinteuil says:
    @lavoisier

    No, lavoisier, it’s you who’s losing it. Seriously: search through this thread and ask yourself who’s abusing whom? Lot, or RKU?

  428. utu says:
    @res

    Your first reference gives an IQ of 112.43 (SD 13.14) for Jews. The second gives 111.24 (Table 2, ADD Health, SD 16.17) and 106.71 (Table 4, Project Talent, note also absurdly low SD of 8.34).

    Note the sample sizes in the three studies.

    IQ(Jews)=112.43 (n(Jews)=70)…….IQ(Catholics)=106.66 (n(Catholics)=985)…….∆(J-C)=5.77

    IQ(Jews)=111.24 (n(Jews)=34)…….IQ(Catholics)=100.39 (n(Catholics)=925)…….∆(J-C)=10.85

    IQ(Jews)=106.71 (n(Jews)=6,915)..IQ(Catholics)=102.93 (n(Catholics)=32,700)..∆(J-C)=3.78

    The last study, Project Talent has SD≈8. They do not address it in the paper.

    If these three studies were the only available studies what would be the best meta-estimate of Jewish and Catholic IQ’s? What does it tell us about IQ tests in general that there so wide discrepancies or is it the issue of sampling?

    It seems that the difference between Jews and Catholics can be as low as 4-5 points. How many Catholics in Hollywood, NYT editorial board, Wall Street?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @FrankT
    , @FrankT
  429. vinteuil says:
    @Dissident

    “…only one of the two individuals-in-question resorted to gratuitous sarcasm and mocking insults. The other remained civil throughout.”

    Agreed. That being said, it’s very much to RKU’s credit that he lets people disagree with him, on his own website, sometimes in fairly immoderate language, without deleting their comments or banning them.

    That is very, very unusual.

  430. Bliss says:
    @Ron Unz

    Based on all available information, roughly 6-7% of those top-performing NMS students are Jewish and roughly 60-65% are Gentile whites. Regardless of IQ scores, non-Gaussian distributions, or anything else, those are actual empirical facts about the relative ratios of America’s highest-performing students.

    But the cutoff scores in the PSAT that qualifies for NMS ranges from 1380 for overwhelmingly non-jewish, non-hispanic white West Virginia and Wyoming, to 1480 for majority non-white and disproportionately jewish New Jersey and Washington D.C.

    Jews are concentrated in states with the highest cutoff scores despite having large NAM populations.

    Source:

    https://prepexpert.com/class-2017-national-merit-psat-cutoff-scores/

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-by-state

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  431. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You haven’t been eating gifts of food sent to you by anonymous strangers I trust.

  432. Bliss says:
    @Lot

    Since Ashkenazi jews are ~35% of the population of Israel how do you explain it’s 95 IQ?

    • Replies: @Lot
  433. Lot says:
    @vinteuil

    It’s not a slog for me! I should mention I have a high opinion of Ron, and am particularly grateful for the early support he gave to Steve and Razib when they were starting out as full time bloggers, as well as to the American Conservative. I am kind of fascinated by what appears to be his middle aged turn to ethnomasochism and conspiracy theories, which are two areas I of course disagree. But I think we are both patriotic Americans, immigration restrictions, against middle east wars and our oversized military,* and people who have gradually moved to the left on economic issues in part because of rapidly increasing economic inequality. (*While I think our military is much larger than ideal, there are a lot worse ways to spend our wealth, and I also think the military industrial complex is part of the broader right-wing coalition so this is not overall an issue I feel strongly about.)

    Then there is the hispanic crime issue. Even there, I kind of agree with his meta-point, which I take to be “Mexican immigration really isn’t that bad, and their crime rate isn’t even the same league as blacks.” Or to put it another way “Mexicans are here to stay, they aren’t coming in large numbers anymore, so complaining to much about them is not worth it when the big battle should be against Muslim, central American, Caribbean, and African migration.”

    But the idea that Mexican American crime rates are not much different than non-hispanic white rates is just really wrong. So in my view, the problem of the right’s counterproductive crapping on Mexican-Americans, like we saw with Trump’s “they’re sending rapists” remark, is to just stop doing it. You can make the point that, for instance, MexAm rates are higher than white rates, but still overall pretty low, without defaming us non-hispanic American whites, which I believe his article does and I react against instinctively.

    We also got into it a bit on the free tuition at Harvard plan he had. There the dispute is pretty simple. I think it is a giveaway to rich Harvard students given that Harvard already provides full scholarship to all of its (very few) poor and middle class students, and extends partial tuition breaks pretty far into upper-middle-class range. As with other issues, he primarily reacted with name-calling and strawmanning, but the substantive response I remember him making is that by having a free-tuition-for-all policy, Harvard would attract more applicants from middle class families who already would go for free, but don’t know it. That is no doubt true to some small extent, but his plan is a very expensive and regressive way to spread the word to middle class applicants that if they get into Harvard, it will be free to go.

    As for the idea that Harvard discriminates against Asians relative to whites, sure to some small extent they do. But I don’t think it is enough to get worked up about and file a lawsuit about, which he seems to have had some part in encouraging. The Asians who just barely miss the Harvard cut are still objectively very well off, going to, god forbid, a Lower Ivy instead. And current Harvard policy still has a huge over representation of Asian Americans. It also, while admitting fewer Asian Americans per capita compared to before, has been increasing the number of NE Asians from Asia. But whatever the wisdom of Harvard’s Asian American policy, it is a private entity that has been very successful and contributed much to the United States and humanity in general, and there are about 27,000 more worthy causes out there.

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  434. @Steve Sailer

    Tell that schmuck Taki to put the comment back onto his website… I won’t read it until he does so.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  435. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    In raw numbers, Jews are “over-represented” in the elites but if you adjust for IQ, they are just where you would expect them to be.

    Well, this is simply untrue. But you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. As pointed out by other commenters, in some areas where high-IQ is necessary Jews dominate: certain areas of finance, certain (many) areas of academia, while in others they do not; aircraft design, IT*, etc. It just so happens that those areas where Jews dominate are, not entirely but by and large, correlated with money (hence the great number of Jewish billionaires) and power in our society (for instance, we are governed by lawyers). Do the Jews sort themselves into these professions because they are more drawn to these things, and less to other more spiritual or sentimental concerns? Or is it coincidence? And what role, if any, does nepotism play? These are all good questions. Now one thing that is certain is that Jewish nepotism or favoritism or whatever operates in the Ivy League– Ron Unz proved that, and he is backed up by firsthand anecdotal evidence. But many of the areas where Jews had a great preponderance at some time– physics, for instance– are not linked to great money or power at all. So the cultural factors are clearly not so simple.

    *IT is an interesting case. I haven’t done an analysis but would guess that Jews are about evenly represented here as far as IQ vs achievement is concerned. Von Neumann was Jewish but most of other names (Shannon, Church, Turing, Thompson, Ritchie, Cray) were not. Interestingly a number of the Jews in the industry seem to have wound up at MIT where they mostly argued with each other but some good stuff did come out of there.

  436. donut says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    That show did have it’s moments . Now I’m going to waste an hour watching youtube clips.

  437. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Excellent comment. Interesting about the “impostor syndrome” but if one really suffers form it it is a sign of true intelligence. All the rest do not have a second thought like most conmen, hucksters and psychopaths.

  438. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Stonewall Jackson

    Taki does appear to have fixed the really irritating marketing aspects of his site. That’s an acceptable trade for a commenting section.

  439. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT This is hilarious
    German left party leader for the city of Saarlouis called a Member of the Diet “a sneaky Jew;” however, he says he meant to say “sneaky Judas.” Abe Foxman wipes his forehead and sits back down.

    The head of the German Left Party in the city of Saarlouis, situated in the state of Saarland, used an antisemitic phrase on his Facebook page to denigrate an MP in his party, according to a Monday report in the regional paper Saarbrücker Zeitung.

    Mekan Kolasinac, the chairman of the Left Party in Saarlouis, called the party’s federal head, Bernd Riexinger, a “sneaky Jew.”

    Kolasinac told the paper he wrote the anti-Jewish entry but regrets it. He said it was a mistake and he intended to write “Judas” instead of “Jew.” Kolasinac said he apologized on his Facebook page and apologized to “my Jewish friends.”

    https://jpost.com/Diaspora/German-Left-Party-leader-calls-MP-a-sneaky-Jew-507623

  440. JSM says:
    @Lot

    hat I think the really big question is, does it make sense for American whites concerned about the invasion to declare Jews our implacable enemies? For so many reasons, the answer is no, that we are slowly losing and need all the help we can get and as broad a coalition as we can manage.

    PPPLLLLPPPTTT. We White Americans have been complaining about this invasion for better than 30 years (since the 1986 amnesty.) Why haven’t the Jews ALREADY shown us they want to coalition with us? They have not; they double down on the pro-invasion stance. Prop 187, “Save our State” of Cali, passed by a huge majority in 1994 to deny welfare to illegal aliens, was struck down by a single Jewess judge. How come all these Jews you say are out there willing to make coalition with us, didn’t DO SOMETHING about it then? Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, amongst numerous other examples of Organized Jewry, told Arizona to shut up (by filing amicus briefs to sue for declaring the law unconstitional) when AZ passed SB 1070. WHERE are all these Jews willing to make this broad coalition you speak of? It ain’t us American Whites declaring Jews our implacable enemies; it’s Jews declaring THEMSELVES our implacable enemies.

  441. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    res wrote:

    Lot, regardless of whether this is correct, if you are going to make an assertion like that you really should give a reference!

    Let’s see if Lot get around to providing that reference for his claim that:

    Wrong, the largest n study of US Jews showed about 115.

    I just read yesterday one study looking at multiple child applicant to day school studies with thousands of tests and the results went as high as 121.

  442. utu says:
    @anon

    For the reasons you outlined I believe that some alliance with Blacks would be useful but most people here accepted their overlords already, the ones that can’t be criticized and all they dream at best is that the overlords won’t be protecting Blacks. Look at comment #6.

    And why did they accept their overlords? Because they are smarter so it can’t be any other way.

  443. Lot says:
    @Bliss

    I do not think there are any reliable estimates of IQ in Israel. I appreciate Lynn’s efforts to try to come up with numbers for as many countries as possible, but he accepted too many tests uncritically.

    It wouldn’t be a very meaningful number either, since Israel is pretty diverse. You have a lot of Arabs, who I’d guess do better than nearly all other Arabs, but still not very well. Then you’d have the secular/semi-secular Ashkenazi population, who have allowed Israel to become one of the richest countries in the world, and with little in the way of natural resources and surrounded by poor and/or hostile nations. Then you have the massive immigration of Russians the last few decades of the 20th Century that included full Ashkenazi, mixes, and even a fair number of pure or nearly pure Slavs who got in due to Ashkenazi spouses and identity fraud. Then you have all the various types of non-Ashkenazi Jews. Then you have the Druze and Arab Christians. Not very many of each, and not as low-scoring as Arab Muslims, but still bringing down the overall number a bit. Then you have all the ultra-religious types who don’t believe in secular education who scores don’t reflect phenotype.

    It would be pretty great to see scores for all of these groups. But then you have the problem of translating verbal sections of tests into Hebrew, and the issue of trying to norm it to the US White=100 standard. All of this is feasible, but I don’t think it has ever been attempted.

    I think the best way to look at Israel’s overall IQ is with PISA, especially math. For the reasons I mentioned, it has an extremely large gap between the 10th and 90th percentile, only the regional China test and the small sample of Malta have higher spreads. Even the 90th percentile didn’t do that well however in Israel. In fact, I’d probably revise down my guesstimates for Israel after looking at the PISA numbers.

    • Replies: @FrankT
  444. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    Frankly, I don’t regard myself as an expert in the economics or sociology of Eastern Europe in previous centuries, but from everything I’ve read, Jews were among the most privileged elements of the local population, generally being members of the local “One Percent” (or maybe “Five Percent”).

    As Jack points out, that could not be true for much of the time, because Jews were more than 1 or 5% of the population in the areas where most Jews actually lived. The area where the large majority lived roughly corresponds to the borders of the peak of the Poland-Lithuania, where they tended to be the single largest group in many cities, and were up to a third of the population in rural areas.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth_at_its_maximum_extent.svg

    These areas had been depopulated by the Mongols and later the Tatars, so when the Slavic princes finally defeated the Tatars, they sought just about anyone to become their subjects on their newly conquered land, with the big three groups being Slavs, Germans, and Jews. With so much rich farmland, there was a broad prosperity and not much conflict given the level of diversity.

  445. lavoisier says: • Website
    @utu

    Very interesting data.

    If I had to pick the one average population IQ estimate that would seem to be the most valid it would have to be the last study given the sample sizes involved.

    Is this the primary data upon which Jewish IQ has been estimated?

    • Replies: @utu
  446. Lot says:
    @res

    Wow, I found a comment I did on this in 2014, and then tried to correct for the errors in it:

    I found another recent estimate of Jewish IQ from Lynn, based on vocabulary scores on GSS.

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/paid2008.pdf

    He estimates 109.06 as the US jewish verbal IQ mean. He derives this from the jewish and white gentile means and standard deviation of 7.48 (2.07) and 6.21 (2.09).

    The problem is, the very low ceiling of this test, of 10, underestimates the jewish vocab advantage. Indeed, the Jewish wordsum mode is 9 out of 10. The best a jew can score above the jewish mean is 1.21 standard deviations. That means the Jewish mean is not being increased by anyone with a vocabulary above that. In the gentile sample, by contrast, someone with a +1.7 SD score raises the mean more than someone with a +1.2.

    I did a back of the envelope correction, and come to a revised estimate, based on Lynn’s data, of 109.82. A similar is needed for other high-performing group IQ estimates such as Episcopalians if you’re going to use GSS wordsum.

    A second, more minor problem is that 1.2% of the self-identified jewish sample are individuals identified by the interviewer as black and 0.8% as other. The 2.1% of self-identified jews who are black or other scored a mean 4.4, far below the rest of the Jewish respondents.

    Removing them from the sample gives a corrected white Jewish estimate of 110.2.

  447. Moses says:
    @Svigor

    Or maybe one excuse to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

    Lol. I see what you did there.

  448. Luke Lea says:
    @Frankie P

    “Second, how should Jews who are aware of this phenomenon react? Should they admit it? Should they criticize it? Why don’t they (for the most part)?”

    To paraphrase Burke, all that is required for bad Jews to triumph is for good Jews to do nothing.

  449. Ron Unz says:
    @Bliss

    But the cutoff scores in the PSAT that qualifies for NMS ranges from 1380 for overwhelmingly non-jewish, non-hispanic white West Virginia and Wyoming, to 1480 for majority non-white and disproportionately jewish New Jersey and Washington D.C.

    No, your analysis is mistaken. The state variance of NMS thresholds was certainly a factor I considered during my Meritocracy analysis, but as far as I could tell, it probably benefits Jews more than hurts them.

    The key factor is that a very substantial fraction of all the highest-performing Asians are concentrated in gigantic California, which therefore has one of the highest thresholds; if NMS were chosen nationally, huge additional numbers of CA Asians would qualify.

    One interesting tidbit I discovered is that a disproportionate share of NMS Jews actually come from the *lowest* threshold states, presumably their parents are the local doctors or lawyers or college professors. Very few of these Jews would probably qualify based on a single national threshold.

    Here’s an important paragraph from my article:

    The evidence of the recent NMS semifinalist lists seems the most conclusive of all, given the huge statistical sample sizes involved. As discussed earlier, these students constitute roughly the highest 0.5 percent in academic ability, the top 16,000 high school seniors who should be enrolling at the Ivy League and America’s other most elite academic universities. In California, white Gentile names outnumber Jewish ones by over 8-to-1; in Texas, over 20-to-1; in Florida and Illinois, around 9-to-1. Even in New York, America’s most heavily Jewish state, there are more than two high-ability white Gentile students for every Jewish one. Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_7_10:1-133

    “Lot” is simply dishonest and not worth dealing with. But if you’re sincerely interested in this issue, you really should read my article.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Bliss
  450. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:

    Hi Steve: I am 27 years old. I live in San Francisco. I don’t understand this thing about being Jewish. Jews to me are more or less just like other white people. The only thing that I get is that they tend to have higher IQs than whites, so a lot more of them go to Harvard and Stanford. There is nothing I notice that seems special about Jewish culture in San Francisco. The biggest cultural difference I see is China town. Now that is a real culture change. Sometimes, I read Amren, they keep it simple over there, Your stuff many times is just over my head. Thanks..

  451. Ron Unz says:
    @Jack D

    It may have been that at one time (long before my parent’s time or even any surviving ancestral lore) the Jews of Poland were a small and privileged elite group but, as you say there was a massive population explosion among Polish Jews in the 18th and 19th century to the point that they constituted 10% of the population

    Yes, exactly. From what I recall, Jews in 19th century Poland and (maybe) Russia probably had the highest population growth rate of any group in the world, essentially exponential.

    Since they were not primary producers and (from what I’ve read) traditionally made their living by “exploiting” the local peasantry, e.g. selling them liquor, engaging in usury, working as serf-overseers, and that sort of thing, and the peasantry was not expanding at nearly a similar rate, there was large-scale down-ward mobility. Just as Hamilton said, in ecological terms, “they outgrew their food supply.”

    If wealthy nobles have 10 children each, after a few generations they may face economic problems.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jack D
  452. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:

    Hi Steve: I am 27 years old. I live in San Francisco. I don’t understand this thing about being Jewish. Jews to me are more or less just like other white people. The only thing that I get is that they tend to have higher IQs than whites, so a lot more of them go to Harvard and Stanford. There is nothing I notice that seems special about Jewish culture in San Francisco. The biggest cultural difference I see is Chinatown. Now that is a real culture change. Sometimes, I read Amren, they keep it simple over there. Your stuff is just over my head. Thanks…

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @J.Ross
    , @Lot
  453. Svigor says:
    @Realist

    Make it a household meme, and let the public come up with a solution.

  454. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    Are you that bitterly humorless? Or what do you like better?

    Nope. I have a great sense of humor and I always keep people laughing. What do I like? Funny stuff.

    I don’t mind Jewy humor per se, but I’m a stickler about it needing to actually be funny.

  455. Svigor says:

    George Carlin used to be funny, back in his day. Sam Kinnison always cracked me up. I dunno about comedians today, I find them too obnoxiously leftist to be entertained by them, so I don’t watch.

    That (((Wolf))) chick is a great example of totally unfunny “humor.” I didn’t find a single thing she said at the MTPD funny, witty, or well-delivered. She’s a hack, period.

    If you must have a (half) Jew, I find Robert Downey Jr. funny. That thing he does where he’s already delivering the third joke while everyone’s laughing at the first one is pretty good.

    • Replies: @Lot
  456. Svigor says:
    @Anonymous

    Step off the plantation with Jews watching; maybe they’ll enlighten you about some of the differences.

  457. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    You are correct in a way because Jews are so culturally dominant, and domineering, that a lot of Jewish things that are perpendicular to American culture are now mistaken for authentic American things.

  458. @res

    Right. And that highlights the negative externality induced by the incentives for the lawyers. As necessary as lawyers are for a well functioning society (e.g. the rule of law, enforceable contracts) there are some badly broken incentives.

    Agency problems extend well beyond the legal profession. You hire an accountant or a mechanic. Do you think he does what’s best for you or what’s best for him? He’ll probably strike a balance somewhere in between. Just like the average lawyer.

    • Replies: @res
  459. Lot says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    I suppose next you’ll be calling him a self-hating Jew?

    I’d never say that. I think he loathes most Jews, but has a quite high opinion of himself.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  460. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    George Carlin used to be funny, back in his day. Sam Kinnison

    While they weren’t bad, they weren’t that great either.

    I didn’t find a single thing she said at the MTPD funny, witty, or well-delivered.

    I thought she was pretty good the first five minutes, got worst the next few, and I stopped watching a little past half way as each one got worse than the last.

    I watch almost every year, even back in the 90′s in HS, and usually like it a lot.

  461. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Jewish and non-Jewish white culture have merged in Northern California almost completely from what I can tell. And the intermarriage rate is also extremely high. Jews stick out and have their own culture a lot more in New York, which has a lot of religious Jews who keep up their old traditions and don’t marry out of the faith.

  462. @sayless

    Rural students are unlikely to live near intensive test prep courses, or even know much about their existence.

  463. FrankT says:
    @Lot

    “It would be pretty great to see scores for all of these groups. But then you have the problem of translating verbal sections of tests into Hebrew, and the issue of trying to norm it to the US White=100 standard. All of this is feasible, but I don’t think it has ever been attempted.”

    Programme for International Student Assessment. For Israel, tests are given in Hebrew and Arabic. For subgroups of Jews, next look at national test results, which will often report Ashkenazi, mixed Ashkenazi-Mizrahi, and Mizrahi proficiencies.

  464. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t now nor have I ever considered myself “anti-Jewish” in the sense that I have any animosity to anyone simply because they are Jewish;nor do I wish Jews ill as a group. I want my group to survive just as they have survived, in the sense that there is still an identifiable and distinct group of peoples known as Jews, identifying as such and having at least substantial historical connection to the group that has always been known as such by themselves and everyone else.

    That said, Jews as a group are physiognomically distinct from the group I (and most everyone else) calls “Whites”, meaning in this context persons of European extraction who are not Jews, Gypsies, or members of Middle Eastern populations. By physiognomy, I am not referring just to their facial and maxillocranial confirmations, but the general shape of their whole anatomy in fine detail.

    This is not revolutionary, nor is it exclusive to Jews nor only pertinent to the above groups. For instance, in ( forensic anthropologist) William Bass’ excellent book,Death’s Acre, he discusses how he learned that the knee conformations of Blacks and Whites differ making their bones easily distinguishable from a student, who happened to have worked for a surgeon operating on basketball players’ knees. Another example, not directly related to distinguishing race, was Helen Gurley Brown’s statement that by looking at certain features of a man’s ears she could tell (with, so far in her admittedly fairly extensive personal experience, infallibility) whether he possessed a large penis or not. (Discreet looking in my gym locker room seems to bear this out amongst whites or ostensible whites.)

    [MORE]

    Years ago, I knew a woman who was, by her own confession, a retired high dollar prostitute who had been active in Los Angeles, New York, and Las Vegas, and further claimed that she had been mentored by a group who had been part of the intelligence service of a Soviet satellite state and who had there run a spy-prostitute (or, more precisely, a compromise-key-Western-figures operation). I don’t have any way to prove that her claims were true, but I did confirm that she had indeed been “in the life” and not at a low level at one time. I don’t approve of prostitution (and neither did she, in the sense she acknowledged it was destructive to both parties and personally repulsive emotionally to a emotionally healthy woman, which she acknowledged she wasn’t). I would quote from a personal correspondence of ours regarding a woman my father dated after his second wife passed away:

    “She may be any religion, but biologically she is Jewish ancestrally, at least partly. Look at her eyelids and her nose, and also her bottom. See how the center of her buttocks curve? My ass is bigger than hers, but the curve is on the bottom, if you draw a line perpendicular to my spine. Also, I’ll bet her nipples are quite Middle Eastern in appearance. Look at some of those Jewish porn stars and look at some white girls’ nipples. In a woman those are your best clues to Jewish background.

    (I am sure she meant ‘perpendicular to the spine and through the hips at about the center of mass’ here)

    Being a “booty man” myself, I took notice of this and this seems to be true. Courtney Love, whose nude picture on a book cover gives plain evidence, has a Jewish bottom. Goldie Hawn, Ellen Barkin, Jill St. John (Oppenheim) , Carly Simon have this round and center-peaked gluteal curvature. And that squares with my swimming pool observations. Jewish girls are often involved in competition swimming and this seems to correspond with faces that seem Jewish and Jewish-common first and or last names.

    I have talked to lifeguard/water safety types who claim that they can also pretty reliably distinguish Ashkenazi Jews by their bare feet, observing their toe conformations, but I am not sure how they differ, never having paid attention.

    What other observable differences there may be is a matter for further study. I the case of the females, at least those not old or obese or anorexic, it could be an amusing study. These stipulations do restrict the pool of subjects greatly, though, at least among Reform and MO Jews out here in the Midwest.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Jack D
    , @HA
  465. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Um…every SJW. I didn’t dodge the question I gave you a poll that showed that 50% of Americans supported systematic discrimination against white Americans. How are you not getting this? Also, why are you so offended?

    “The anti-Semitism of reason” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of Jewish privileges.”

    “The politics of tolerance” must lead “to the systematic combating and elimination of white privilege”.

    http://freedommemes.com/hitler-or-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw/

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  466. FrankT says:
    @utu

    “IQ(Jews)=111.24 (n(Jews)=34)…….IQ(Catholics)=100.39 (n(Catholics)=925)…….∆(J-C)=10.85″

    The non-Hispanic White PPVT IQ in Add Health (W1) was 105 with a SD =11.9, from what I recall. So … that’s a .52 SD advantage on this verbal test in this nationally representative sample from the 90s. (“Catholic” includes an appreciable number of language unproficient Hispanics.) That sounds about right. It’s very close to the SAT M+ R advatage in 1990. Greg C. is pretty sure that the Jewish advantage is appreciably higher. But he is wrong. Which is fine. He has been wrong before.

  467. Twinkie says:
    @3g4me

    It truly was not any attempt to demonize you or particularly personalize my argument.

    I sincerely appreciate the clarification as well as your very kind words.

    That we may define civic nationalism differently may be part of the disagreement

    Indeed we do. And I think that IS a big part of the disagreement between us (once the definitions are identified, our positions are actually NOT that far apart, with a few caveats, one of which I write below).

    I believe the original iteration of America is of far greater value than merely my personal family, however much I may love my children.

    My main critique of your comparison is that it frames the issue as that between an imagined situation (i.e. what might an exclusively English-America MIGHT have become without any subsequent “adulterations” of the past hundreds of years) versus what is in existence today. I think it is fruitless to imagine this former possibility, an alternate universe. I am far more concerned about how we can improve the country as it exists, to the betterment of, if not all, certainly most of the citizens. (I won’t argue further here the natural progression of my thinking on this as we already discussed it at one point, except simply to summarize my position that civic nationalism has a greater chance of achieving this goal than white nationalism.)

    Moreover, your formulation of the past as an entirely and exclusively “white Christian” America was never even a historical reality. Certainly for much of its history it was a mostly white Christian country in which English-derived law, customs, and language held preeminence (and rightfully so). My main point here is that, the national question has never been whether the country was to be an all-white Christian country or a multicultural “Brazil North,” but rather to what extent the country could accept – and, yes, assimilate – those peoples from without who were different (to varying degrees, also up for debate) from the founding population while still maintaining the country’s traditional values and cultural continuity. Obviously people of good will can disagree on the composition and the percentage of such peoples (and I happen to side with those who say that the current trajectory, if continued, would be dangerously destructive to such a goal).

    As someone who is a purist by instinct on many topics (e.g. religion), I am not unsympathetic to the purist inclination to construct a nation-state in neatly biological lines. But as a matter of both science (genetic) and history, it has never been the case, at least in the recent historic times (but likely also in ancient times), that a polity was so biologically “pure.” As an example, both Germany and France (and for that matter the German and the French peoples) are unitary, but culturally constructed identities given that they were forged out of several different peoples (and this can be demonstrated genetically quite easily – Germans of various regions are genetically shifted toward their non-German neighbors, which speaks to historical hybridization and assimilation).

    Does that history of hybridization and assimilation mean that a large group of Africans can be dropped suddenly on Germany (or France) without significant externalities? Of course not. As Derbyshire often says, the issue is largely one of numbers (or, more accurately, proportions) rather than the ahistorical and unrealistic framework of “on or off.”

  468. Twinkie says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Mr. Sailer, I wish you a swift recovery.

  469. Twinkie says:
    @Ron Unz

    One interesting tidbit I discovered is that a disproportionate share of NMS Jews actually come from the *lowest* threshold states, presumably their parents are the local doctors or lawyers or college professors.

    As I mentioned elsewhere, one year while I worked at the admissions office, my Ivy League alma mater took mostly Jewish applicants from Iowa (0.2% of Iowa is Jewish)! Mind you, that number, in the absolute sense, was quite small, but still that proportion was quite wow-worthy. They were mostly the children of Jewish doctors and university administrators from the likes of Iowa City, a liberal college enclave.

    So the notion that non-Jewish whites from rural states get “affirmative action” into the Ivy League as one of the Jewish critics of your article asserted above just doesn’t pass the smell test for me, purely based on experience alone.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  470. FrankT says:
    @utu

    Convert the scores to standardized differences and then place them on IQ scales with a standard deviation of 15. Also, for comparison use non-Hispanic White means when available.

    From the papers you linked to:

    Sample 1. NLSY97. Measure = g from ASVAB. Jews M= 112.43 (SD = 13.14, n = 70) All non-Hispanic Whites M = 106.09 (SD = 13.57). Standardized difference = .47 SD. IQ equivalent difference (SD = 15) = 7. Sample 2. Add Health (1994 wave 1). Measure PPVT. Jews M = 111.24 (SD = 13.14, n = 34) All non Hispanic Whites M = 105.?? (SD = 11.9). Standardized difference = .52 SD. IQ equivalent difference (SD = 15) = 8. Sample 3.1 MIDUS. A summary scores. Jews M = 0.36 (SD 1.10, n = 98) all other religious (the MIDUS sample was about 90% non-Hispanic white) M = -0.05 (SD =1, n = 1814). Standardized difference = .41. IQ equivalent difference (SD = 15) = 6. Sample 3,2 Project Talent. A summary score. Jews M = 106.71 (SD = 8.34, 6915) all other religious groups (Project Talent was more than 90% White) M = 103.9 (SD (pooled), 8.8, n = 105012). Standardized difference = .32. IQ equivalent difference (SD = 15) = 5.

    So, 5 to 8 points difference for these 4 fairly representative samples from the 60s to 90s. This is pretty consistent. NLSY79 supposedly showed a 12 point difference on the AFQT (not g scores), There are other samples. Again, definately < 110 for a meta-analytic average (probably closer to +.33 SD than +.66). I will put $$$$ on it.

    • Replies: @FrankT
    , @utu
  471. Twinkie says:
    @Ron Unz

    Since they were not primary producers and (from what I’ve read) traditionally made their living by “exploiting” the local peasantry, e.g. selling them liquor, engaging in usury, working as serf-overseers, and that sort of thing

    Probably the least endearing (to the local peasants and petty landholders) historical Jewish profession in Eastern Europe was that of tax-farming. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Belarus

    The Act of 1566[edit]

    The middle of the 16th century witnessed a growing antagonism between the lesser nobility and the Jews. Their relations became strained, and the enmity of the Christians began to disturb the life of the Litvak Jews. The anti-Jewish feeling, due at first to economic causes engendered by competition, was fostered by the clergy, who were then engaged in a crusade against “heretics,” notably the Lutherans, Calvinists, and Jews. The Reformation, which had spread from Germany, tended to weaken the allegiance to the Roman Catholic Church. Frequent instances occurred of the marriage of Catholic women to Jews, Turks, or Tatars. The Bishop of Wilno (Vilnius) complained to Sigismund August (Dec., 1548) of the frequency of such mixed marriages and of the education of the offspring in their fathers’ faiths. The szlachta also saw in the Jews dangerous competitors in commercial and financial undertakings. In their dealings with the agricultural classes the lords preferred the Jews as middlemen, thus creating a feeling of injury on the part of the szlachta. The exemption of the Jews from military service and the power and wealth of the Jewish tax-farmers intensified the resentment of the szlachta. Members of the nobility, like Bardzo bogaty, Ród Zagórowskich, (Strzemie coat of arms) and others, attempted to compete with the Jews as leaseholders of customs revenues, but were never successful. Since the Jews lived in the towns and on the lands of the king, the nobility could not wield any authority over them nor derive profit from them. They had not even the right to settle Jews on their estates without the permission of the king; but, on the other hand, they were often annoyed by the erection on their estates of the tollhouses of the Jewish tax-collectors.

    Hence when the favorable moment arrived, the Lithuanian nobility endeavored to secure greater power over the Jews. At the Diet of Vilna in 1551 the nobility urged the imposition of a special polltax of one ducat per head, and the Volhynian nobles demanded that the Jewish tax-collectors be forbidden to erect tollhouses or place guards at the taverns on their estates.

    The opposition to the Jews was finally crystallized and found definite expression in the repressive Lithuanian statute of 1566, when the nobles of Belarus and Lithuania were first allowed to take part in the national legislation. Paragraph Twelve of this statute contains the following articles:

    “The Jews shall not wear costly clothing, nor gold chains, nor shall their wives wear gold or silver ornaments. The Jews shall not have silver mountings on their sabers and daggers; they shall be distinguished by characteristic clothes; they shall wear yellow caps, and their wives kerchiefs of yellow linen, in order that all may be enabled to distinguish Jews from Christians.”

    Other restrictions of a similar nature are contained in the same paragraph. However, the king checked the desire of the nobility to modify essentially the old charters of the Jews. [Boldface mine.]

    Since in this period, the most onerous obligations the king’s subjects (and even the lesser nobles) had were military service and taxes (in essence giving away their sons and property/produce), one can imagine the privilege the Jews enjoyed since they owed NO military service AND they got to profit greatly from raising taxes.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @utu
    , @3g4me
  472. Twinkie says:
    @sayless

    William Deresiewicz pointed out that the most underrepresented demographic cohort at the Ivies are working class and rural whites.

    He is right.

    With all other ethno-racial groups, being poor helps with admissions to the Ivy League. With whites, being poor, particularly the rural poor, LOWERS the chance of admission. They are, in my view, quite despised by the administrative elites who determine admissions. And, yes, a large fraction of those elites are Jewish.

    Smart whites from the “flyover” country get passed over a lot. It’s a great injustice and a terrible misuse of elite educational resources, not to forget the superlative human material.

  473. Twinkie says:
    @res

    There are many levels of this. A non-exhaustive and perhaps not strictly ordered list:
    – Observing Jewish overrepresentation in various areas with no value judgment (or even a positive one like because IQ).
    – The former, with an assumption reasons like ethnic nepotism are present.
    – The former with an assumption it is all ethnic nepotism (or similar).
    – Actively wishing Jews in the media were less vocal with their anti-white rhetoric.
    – Actively wishing Jews were less powerful in the US.
    – Actively wishing Jews were removed from the US.
    – Actively wishing Jews were removed.

    FWIW, I would categorize myself in the second and fourth groups. Which I happen to think is a reality based and reasonable position.

    I agree with your assessment. Although I at times write critiques of the Jewish elites in the United States here, I harbor no ill will or resentful feelings toward them. I just wish they were more virtuous elites with a greater sense of noblesse oblige toward their less well-off (both materially and cognitively) non-Jewish whites, especially given that this country has been fantastic for so many of them.

  474. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    As for the idea that Harvard discriminates against Asians relative to whites, sure to some small extent they do.

    Harvard doesn’t discriminate against Asians relative to whites. It discriminates against Asians relative to Jews.

    The rest of your paragraph would make a much better sense if “Asians” were replaced with “Jews.” But, then again, that hypothetical situation would never come about and would be, in any case, vile, disgusting anti-Semitism in conventional wisdom.

  475. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    Why don’t you ask them? And if you won’t, what are your motives

    I sometimes do. Other times I walk away. Often though I lack the energy to rock the boat or I need something from the offending individual!

    How maybe? You have either said at some sort of company meeting or whatever: “This anti-white discrimination is outrageous” or you haven’t.

    I’m more likely to use humour and ridicule, but that’s difficult.

    My statement was also a self-reprimand. I was speaking as one of the guilty of not reacting abruptly enough. My ‘maybe’ was because I skirt the edges, and I skirt those edges for the same reason everyone struggles to react appropriately to passive aggression.

    • Replies: @Anon
  476. FrankT says:
    @FrankT

    Here were 2002 SAT scores reported in the Wall Streat Journal:

    .”Vanderbilt is far from the only U.S. university seeking to boost Jewish enrollment. In fact, competition for top Jewish students is prompting a flurry of new Jewish cultural centers and Judaic Studies programs at universities across the country. But at Vanderbilt and a few other universities, including some officially Christian campuses, the unabashed wooing of the Jewish community has struck some Jews and non-Jews alike as a questionable new form of ethnic profiling — even though it’s based on a seemingly positive stereotype….

    Although other ethnic and racial groups, notably blacks and Hispanics, have been targeted by many universities, that effort has largely been to promote diversity or to increase opportunity for the economically disadvantaged. Something else is driving the quest for more Jews — about which Vanderbilt is unusually forthright. It wants them to raise its academic standing.”

    “Yes, we’re targeting Jewish students,” Chancellor Gordon Gee told a March 17 board meeting of the Vanderbilt affiliate of Hillel, the nonprofit national Jewish campus organization. “There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s not affirmative action. That’s smart thinking.”

    “According to the nonprofit College Board, which administers the SAT college-entrance exam — a major component of most college rankings and admissions decisions — last year’s college-bound Jewish seniors averaged 1161 out of a possible 1600. That was second only to Unitarians (who averaged 1209) among 35 religions. The national average was 1020. According to the College Board, some 27,120 students identified themselves as Jews; 2,354 said they were Unitarian. The board says it asks test-takers about their religious affiliations so it can sell their names to colleges seeking specific denominations. The board declined to identify colleges that buy Jewish names”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB102003890421804360

    So, yes, schools are trying to drive up Jewish enrollment. But what is the academic advantage? The 2002 non-Hispanic White combinded M+R SAT scores was: 1060 (SD = 203), which gives a standardized difference of d = 0.5, or +7.5 IQ points. That’s not a huge difference. So who is pushing the colleges “to boost Jewish enrollment”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  477. HA says:
    @Twinkie

    one can imagine the privilege the Jews enjoyed since they owed NO military service AND they got to profit greatly from raising taxes.

    Good point, Twinkie, as usual, but given recent events, it’s also worth noting that every tax-farmer and every usurer was a potential Weinstein/Rattner in the making. Specifically, if a peasant couldn’t cough up that month’s payment, and he had a pretty daughter or sister, well, maybe something could be worked out, if you know what I mean. And if nine months later these same down-on-their-luck peasants show up with a kid that looks suspiciously “ethnic”, they could be conveniently brushed off by claiming that “the slutty little tramp was begging me to make a deal, that’s just what women do”, or else, claiming that this is simply the kind of thing the “local drunken peasantry”, to use Jack D’s terminology, does in order to get back at those they envy. If that happens often enough — and given basic human nature, you do the math — it would explain a good deal of the animosity that was seen subsequently that stretched down through the generations.

    I’m not claiming for a moment that gentile tax-farmers wouldn’t have taken the same liberties, but at least they were forbidden (for a while, anyway) from getting rich via usury because of religious proscriptions. Jews were also forbidden by the same scriptural passages, but alas, gentiles didn’t warrant the same basic decency that a fellow Jew would be expected to receive, and so exploiting them was approved by both the Jewish and gentile elites.

    None of that justifies the pogroms and other bloody reprisals visited collectively on Jewish villages and towns, but it helps explain the mutual animosity far better than pointing fingers at Christian clerics, as your quote tries to do (especially given the fact that the same lands included Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and even some Muslims along with the Jews, most of whom managed to get along with each other better than they did with Jews, despite the religious rivalry). It’s also a more rational explanation than simply invoking some mystical “Oh, why do they eternally hate us so?” that one sometimes hears in Jewish circles, as if resenting Jews were some eternal mystery in the gentile heart that inevitably materializes whenever you have Christian clerics around who don’t like to see their peasant parishioners being exploited. Those silly, silly Christians…

    In hindsight, I get why the Polish and Russian nobles, given what they were up against, set things up this way. After the depopulation of their territories by the Black Death, Tatar campaigns, etc., and the need to refill the royal coffers, it kind of made sense. But the arenda system was tailor-made to churn out pogroms and holocausts — it was bad design from the start. And pretending that Jews as a whole didn’t benefit from all this exploitation is likewise pushing it. I’ve heard too many Jewish armchair historians crowing about how without their printing presses and theatres and art collections, and so forth, this or that area in Poland or Ukraine or Latvia, etc., would have been a cultural wasteland. If anyone were to make a similar crack about how American Antebellum high culture was dominated by whites, the shrieks of outrage would be loud enough to shatter windows, but the former boast comes and goes largely without any protest.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  478. @FrankT

    The development (fundraising) department?

    Colleges pay close attention to what kind of students wind up giving the most money to the college over a lifetime. It’s hard to find published documentation on this, but colleges care about this very much.

    My impression is that positive traits for estimating Net Present Value of lifetime giving are rich, male, jock, frat, legacy, business-oriented, and conservative / loyalist personality. Basically, a liberal’s nightmare: a legacy frat boy Republican on the golf team with a business-owning father.

    On the other hand wives typically outlive husbands, so a husband may be more likely to have an “All to Wife” will leaving more for his widow to give away.

  479. Jack D says:
    @Ron Unz

    The problem is that the historical memory of most American Jews (including myself) is from the post-population explosion period, when the position of the Jews was that they were a large but oppressed and hated minority (thus the natural identification by Jews with other large but oppressed and hated minorities in America).

    The “good old days” were 2 centuries or more ago (not so good BTW – the Khmelnytsky Pogrom caused widespread death and destruction). There were, in my family at least (and I have never heard anything different from anyone else) no stories that went back that far – “we remember when great great grandfather was a successful tax farmer for the Polish king”. You can read about this period in books but you might as well be reading about Martians or something that happened 5,000 years ago because it has so little relationship to the experience of your immediate ancestors who landed at Ellis Island.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @utu
  480. Jack D says:
    @HA

    This is just some kind of lurid sexual fantasy of yours – there’s no historical evidence that that anything like this ever happened, no genetic evidence, nothing (unless you count Der Stürmer).

    Unfounded fear of the sexual power of the minority is a common feature of racism. Black men were similarly feared in the American South, again without any factual basis or evidence on the ground that white women were giving birth to black babies.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @Ron Unz
  481. Jack D says:
    @FrankT

    When my son was looking at colleges, it looked pretty clear to me that Vanderbilt wanted more Jews. I could see someone in the admissions office thinking, “What does Duke have that we don’t have?” and one of the answers coming back as ” a large Jewish enrollment”.

    Of course nowadays Jews are getting to be pretty weak sauce in the diversity dept – if you want to have a lot of diversity cred you need to have all sorts of exotic minorities and not just Jews but Jews are certainly part of the mix you want to have to make your school appear cool and with-it and appealing to other applicants.

  482. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “there’s no historical evidence that that anything like this ever happened, no genetic evidence…”

    Oh, I’m not saying that the fear of this wasn’t exaggerated and combined with Elders-of-Zion conspiracies and the like. I wouldn’t believe that for a minute.

    But you, on the other hand, seem to want to believe that before Harvey Weinstein, and Brett Rattner and Leo Frank, no landlord/manager/usurer/tax-farmer EVER used his position of power to exploit and sexually abuse the women under his control? Not just that that kind of thing didn’t happen routinely back in the day, as human nature would indicate whenever those in power have an opportunity to exploit those without, but that it NEVER happened, and until some detailed “genetic study” is carried out (proving what exactly?) you’ll continue to insist that I’m just fantasizing, because Jewish usurers/tax-farmers/company-owners were just too pure for that kind of thing? THAT’s what you’re trying to tell us?

    Good luck with that. Then again, assuming everything you and yours have ever gotten in life is exactly as it should be, based on your allegedly superior IQ (and that eagle-eyed self-awareness, no doubt), is apparently something you’re never going to let up on, either. Talk about lurid fantasies.

    • Agree: utu
  483. Silva says:
    @Lot

    The peoples native to Georgia and Armenia in antiquity were … the Georgians and Armenians. The region where East Teutons and Slavs were near each other was Poland-Belarus-Ukraine. (Teutons never crossed the Caucasus and Slavs (Russians) only did it recently.)

    The first *state* conversion to Christianity was either Armenia or Ethiopia.

  484. Ron Unz says:
    @Jack D

    Unfounded fear of the sexual power of the minority is a common feature of racism. Black men were similarly feared in the American South, again without any factual basis or evidence on the ground that white women were giving birth to black babies.

    Well, I’m no expert on the Old South, but during recent decades in America hasn’t the official rate of black sexual assault on white women always been something like 1000x or 5000x greater that in the opposite direction? And isn’t organized rape exceptionally common in Sub-Saharan Africa?

    Now consider the Reconstruction Era, when blacks had political power and weapons, and the local whites did not. Is story given in America’s first great motion picture, Birth of a Nation, which President Woodrow Wilson declared absolutely true, so totally far-fetched?

    I just finished the book by that exceptionally slimy David Reich fellow, and discovered an interesting tidbit, buried deep within. Apparently, the white ancestry of American blacks contains a substantial component from the white female line, which seems absolutely astonishing given all their unbroken generations of slavery. So where did it come from?

    Similarly, claims of Jewish sexual depredations against vulnerable young Gentile women seem quite widespread in history, and seemingly dovetail with the Weinstein/Brattner/etc. revelations. Why are you so absolutely certain that they’re false? Just because Alan Dershowitz and “Lot” denies them?…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @3g4me
    , @res
    , @Twinkie
  485. Ian M. says:
    @vinteuil

    Modern art – and art in general – is more of a gentile thing than Jew thing, and the trend toward abstraction was inaugurated by gentiles.

    Most famous/influential Jewish modern artists: Rothko and Chagall.

    But on the gentile side: Van Gogh, Matisse, Cezanne, Gauguin, Braque, Duchamp, Ernst, Dali, Pollock, Warhol, and of course, the ‘greatest’ of them all, Pablo Picasso.

    The relative lack of Jewish influence in painting, sculpture, architecture, and engineering fits with their relatively low visuospatial skills. The one that doesn’t fit is their dominance in the movie industry.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Svigor
  486. Jack D says:
    @Ron Unz

    The only thing worse than anti-Semitism is Jewish self-hatred.

    To you and HA, I am not saying that these things NEVER ever happened, not even once. But I am saying that there is no proof or evidence that they existed on a widespread basis, wide enough to account for a “rational” explanation for anti-Semitism (or Jim Crow). Sure, Harvey Weinstein exists, but is he exception or the rule among Jewish men?

    As far as blacks having white female ancestry, I think the explanation for this is found in colonial days when indentured servants (often Irish) served alongside black slaves and the lines between the races had not been as rigidly drawn as they would later be. Indentured servants essentially had the same status as slaves, except that their slavery was for a term of years and was not hereditary. Keep in mind also (1) the hypergamous nature of women ahd (2) that not all blacks at all time in American history were destitute slaves – some were land owners. Even some slaves were skilled craftsmen of some sort and typically were allowed to keep some portion of their earnings. For example, Washington’s highly skilled chef/slave Hercules had a deal where he was allowed to sell the unused food from Washington’s kitchen when he was Washington’s chef in Philadelphia. This yielded enough income (as much income as he would have made as non-slave employee) that Hercules became known as a sharp dresser and man about town among the working class circles of Philadelphia (not excluding lower class white women). We also know of the Hemings family of Monticello. Whether or not they were Jefferson’s own children, the family was of mixed race and was given a privileged place among the slaves (and those that moved North passed for white and married white women).

    Assuming that this mixture was mainly the result of rape is a blood libel. Again, I am not saying that there were NEVER any rapes of white women by black men, but this could not have been a widespread event given how severely punished it was. Murders are also a capital offense and yet they still happen but most people are restrained by fear of the death penalty.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @HA
    , @Svigor
    , @Ron Unz
  487. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    There was not a Chmielnicki pogrom. There was a Chmielnicki uprising during which Poles and Jews were massacred and sold into slavery. But Polish suffering is airbrushed out of the picture in Jewish memory in the same way as Jewish excesses before the uprising which helped cause it.

  488. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    a blood libel

    Getting a little anti-semitic, aren’t we, Jack?

  489. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I sometimes do.

    Fair enough, and thanks for the info. What do they say– do they act just so horrified?

  490. HA says:
    @Jack D

    …Sure, Harvey Weinstein exists, but is he exception or the rule among Jewish men?

    I specifically said that there is no reason to suppose that gentile overlords/managers/tax-farmers would have behaved any differently than the Jewish ones did (except where they would have explicitly been forbidden to do so, i.e., in the case of usury). Or did you intentionally skip over that? Was it you just setting up a strawman so you could come back with your clever little Der Stürmer crack? Well, chalk another one up for Godwin’s Law, I guess, but honestly, that kind of thing is getting a little old.

    The same goes for assuming this was the “main” driver of anti-semitism. I never said that. That’s just you with YOUR lurid fantasies. I’m saying it was a component that, in light of recent revelations, deserves mention–economic power DOES oftentimes go with sexual power, in such a manner as I mentioned, and it’s worth keeping in mind. That’s it.

    And given the fact that the system in that part of the world was set up to assure that Jews were over-represented in positions of economic power vis-à-vis the peasants beneath them (tax-farming, usury, etc.), that means they’re going to receive a disproportionate share of the focus. Sorry you don’t like that, but that’s how it goes. Sure, there are loonies out there who are going to use that to claim that Hitler was right, and we need to fire up the ovens again, but I’m not going to deny the obvious just because some kook somewhere might get the idea to do what he’s wanted to do all along anyway. Also, I don’t have to agree in the least with “Rothschild weather machines” in order to understand — and somewhat sympathize — that behind the crazy conspiracy-theorizing and fear-mongering, there’s something deeper there that I shouldn’t dismiss out of hand: namely, an understandable fear that other people have power over yours, and your people are probably going to be worse off for it. We’re routinely trained by our media to sympathize in that way when the “victims” happen to be African-Americans, or this or that downtrodden faction, but when they’re poor Poles or Russians, well, who cares about them? They’re just local drunken peasants, eh, Jack? Did I get that right? Just mean and jealous about their high-IQ economic superiors?

    It also bears stating, and this goes to what Ron was saying, there is an ongoing need to revise our understanding of the past based on what we now know. That is not always just ret-conning for political purposes, and it is certainly not limited to Jewish/gentile relations. For example, the fact that conspiracy theories involving rapey Catholic priests were used to propagate all sorts of anti-Catholic hysteria and KKK cross-burnings shouldn’t prevent us, in the light of recent sexual abuse allegations, from admitting, however reluctantly, that priests molesting boys has been going on far too long, in greater numbers than was previously assumed. I’m not sure if the frequency of such molestation was more or less than it was in the 50′s and 60′s and 70′s when sexual mores were falling apart (and when most of these abuse cases happened), but that’s almost irrelevant. And the fact that that kind of thing was undoubtedly hushed up, so that a careful quantitative assessment is nigh impossible, shouldn’t prevent us from admitting the obvious, or allow us to insist that we shouldn’t have to believe it until some detailed “genetic study” indicates otherwise. I mean, give me a break. Yeah, sure, we’ll get right on that, Jack.

    Or consider the frequency with which soldiers rape women during wartime. Yes, that kind of thing was used by yellow journalists from Napoleon’s Iberian campaign to the Bosnian war to make political hay, and fuel hysteria, and it doesn’t mean that every soldier rapes every woman he gets his hands on (or that in some cases, there might have been something like consent, and genuine attraction for a man in uniform). But based on what we’ve learned in situations like Bosnia, and other conflicts, historians now tend to believe that rape occurred, well, more often than previously acknowledged. If you come from a military family that stretches back centuries, you might be offended by that, but tough. It’s just the kind of thing that tends to go on when some people have power over others they regard as being inferior at that particular moment. Now can you see where else that kind of thinking might lead us, Jack? Or do we have to shut down the conversation anytime someone yells out “blood libel”? Because again, that’s getting tiresome, and at some point, it’s going to backfire big time.

  491. Ian M. says:
    @Twinkie

    Do you know how the proportion of Jews differs between graduate student populations and undergraduate populations?

    Where I went to graduate school, it was the professors of each department who were largely responsible for determining who got accepted and who didn’t.

    I don’t know if this is typical or not, but if it is, I would think that nepotism would play less of a role at the grad school level, so it would be interesting then to compare the undergraduate ethnic proportions with the graduate ethnic proportions.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  492. utu says:
    @Twinkie

    Statute of Kalisz (1264) gave unprecedented right/privileges to Jews not enjoyed by any other group whether minority or majority.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Kalisz

    1. …Should a Jew be taken to court, not just only a Christian must testify against him, but also a Jew, in order for the case to be considered valid.
    2. … If any Christian shall sue a Jew, asserting that he has pawned securities with him, and the Jew denies it, then if the Christian refuses to accept the simple word of the Jew, the Jew by taking oath must be free of the Christian
    .

    The statute was ratified many time by subsequent Polish kings. What is interesting that some historians suspect that the document was forged, i.e., that possible the original statute was never issued.

  493. @Anonymous Jew

    Based upon my admittedly limited interactions with Ashkenazi Jews, your analysis seems spot on.

    I worked in Dallas for a while in a large firm that had quite a few Ashkenazi Jews. That combative personality seemed to serve them well in cloud people world.

    But when they had to deal with dirt people in the real world, they seemed generally frightened of the Anglo Texans who generally enjoy a good brawl with mouthy, disagreeable people.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  494. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    The only thing worse than anti-Semitism is Jewish self-hatred.

    White race-blindness is immeasurably worse; it’s a real mover and shaker in the world. “Jewish self-hatred” is a rounding error.

  495. utu says:
    @Jack D

    the historical memory of most American Jews (including myself) is from the post-population explosion period, when the position of the Jews was that they were a large but oppressed and hated minority (thus the natural identification by Jews with other large but oppressed and hated minorities in America)

    Booker T. Washington (born into slavery) travelled in Europe (1910) and has two chapters in his book (The Man Farthest Down) about peasants and Jews in Poland (under Austria). He writes about Jewish contempt for “dirty and stupid” peasants and make some interesting observation about the role of the “oppressed” Jews:

    Wherever in Poland money changes hands a Jew is always there to take charge of it. In fact, it seemed to me that the Jew in Poland was almost like the money he handled, a sort of medium of exchange.

    The “oppression” must have been so great that Jews even did not make any attempts of mimicry as the perquisite step before assimilation:

    Instead of seeking to make themselves look like the rest of the people among whom they live, they seem to be making every effort to preserve and emphasize the characters in which they are different from the people about them

    Finally he finds similarities between Polish peasant and Negro farmers in Alabama:

    there was much the same life that I had known and lived among the Negro farmers in Alabama. … I am convinced that any one who studies the movements and progress of the Negroes in America will find much that is interesting by way of comparison in the present situation of the Polish people and that of the American Negroes

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @res
  496. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    Second, in all business environments I’ve encountered (law, finance, et al), top positions are filled according to – as Jordan Peterson describes – “hierarchies of competence.” There’s affirmative action and nepotism for the staff, but not at the C-level or anywhere near.

    Oh, there’s selection for competence at C-level, but not necessarily competence at actually doing the job.

    Otherwise a very good comment.

  497. utu says:
    @lavoisier

    Is this the primary data upon which Jewish IQ has been estimated?

    I do not not really know which is the primary data for the meme of high Jewish IQ. This meme is not driven and sustained by data but by its utility as an alibi to absolve Jews form accusations of ethnic nepotism. Ron Unz brings up his meritocracy article now and then but it has no lasting impact even here at unz.com. Characters like “Lot” and “Jack D.” will keep resurrecting the meme of IQ=115 and fat Jewish tails. The Jewish alibi business is their job.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, AaronB
  498. utu says:
    @FrankT

    Convert the scores to standardized differences and then place them on IQ scales with a standard deviation of 15. Also, for comparison use non-Hispanic White means when available.

    Thanks. This is a sound methodology. This is not about whether any given study gives 115 or 105 for Jews but what is ∆(Jewish-Gentiles) in terms of SD. And obviously it depends on what kind of gentiles are in the study. Religious denominations seem to make a big difference that can’t be explained with genetic difference. The IQ hounds do not like to get into the cultural issues.

  499. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Lot

    I’d never say that. I think he loathes most Jews, but has a quite high opinion of himself.

    As he should given his courage and honesty in the face of assaults from those who do not like what he has to say. .

  500. Ron Unz says:
    @Jack D

    As far as blacks having white female ancestry, I think the explanation for this is found in colonial days when indentured servants (often Irish) served alongside black slaves and the lines between the races had not been as rigidly drawn as they would later be…Assuming that this mixture was mainly the result of rape is a blood libel.

    Actually, I would tend to agree with you that the former sort of thing is likely the primary vector for the substantial white female ancestry in American blacks. But it seems a little presumptious for you to so totally dismiss other possible factors during the Reconstruction Era, especially since I think black sexual misbehavior was widely cited as an important aggravating factor at the time. Maybe President Woodrow Wilson and his friends were all dishonest racial propagandists and maybe they weren’t.

    To you and HA, I am not saying that these things NEVER ever happened, not even once. But I am saying that there is no proof or evidence that they existed on a widespread basis, wide enough to account for a “rational” explanation for anti-Semitism (or Jim Crow). Sure, Harvey Weinstein exists, but is he exception or the rule among Jewish men?

    Well, as I said, I have absolutely no expertise on Eastern European history. However, E.A. Ross’s 1914 book on immigrant groups includes a chapter on Jews, containing the following intriguing statement (you might want to read the entire chapter for proper context):

    The authorities complain that the East European Hebrews feel no reverence for law as such and are willing to break any ordinance they find in their way. The fact that pleasure-loving Jewish business men spare Jewesses but pursue Gentile girls excites bitter comment.

    http://www.unz.com/book/e_a_ross__the-old-world-in-the-new/#p_8_14:1-43

    Ross ranks as one of America’s greatest early Sociologists, and having read 5 or 6 of his books, I’d rate him as extremely objective and thoughtful, so in the absence of strong contrary evidence, I’d accept his verdicts as decisive. Lothrop Stoddard, one of America’s most influential rightwing intellectuals, regularly quoted him, while Marxists and Communists were equally glowing in their praise, so I think my judgment seems warranted. And among other things, he was the central figure in the establishment of the Association of American University Professors.

    Oddly enough, despite his massive contemporary influence, he seems to have been almost entirely written out of American intellectual history, and I’d never even heard of his name until I began examining our leading intellectual publications of 100 years ago, while when I looked at his Wikipedia page, it was rather nasty and totally distorted.

    Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if that one even-handed (but candid) chapter on the behavior of Jewish immigrants explains this very odd situation…

    • Replies: @res
  501. res says:
    @sayless

    Agreed. Then there is the following aspect (notice FFA).

    This is an interesting article which seems to have been memory holed (note the archive link):
    How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100715082815/http://www.mindingthecampus.com:80/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html

    That is largely based on this book/study: https://www.amazon.com/Longer-Separate-Not-Yet-Equal/dp/0691141606

    From page 126:

    On the other hand, some of the student behaviors are significantly negatively associated with admission chances. Excelling in career-oriented activities is associated with 60 or 65 percent lower odds of admission. These activities include ROTC and co-op work programs. They might also encompass 4-H Clubs, Future Farmers of America, and other activities that suggest that students are somewhat undecided about their academic futures.

    An interesting quote which directly follows that (and has a long footnote):

    In addition, our results suggest that taking a test preparation course is associated with at least a 50 percent decline in the odds of being admitted to an elite college, after controlling for the SAT or ACT score that a student receives.62

    Another quote (page 129):

    At the same time, being an officer or winning awards for such career-oriented activities as ROTC or co-op work programs has a significantly negative association with admission outcomes at highly selective institutions.

    It looks like these conclusions are drawn from a lumped “career-oriented activities” category and the results are presented as odds ratios in Table 3.9 Participation in Extracurricular Activities, Use of Other Selective Admission Enhancement Strategies, and Acceptance to Private NSCE Institutions, Fall 1997 on pp. 121-123. That table is worth a look for getting a sense of what is/not valued in college admissions.

    If you really want your head to explode take a look at the odds ratios for race and class in Table 3.7 Odds Ratios from Logistic Regression Estimates of the Effect of Race, Immigrant Generation, and Social Class on Admission Probabilities to Public and Private NSCE Institutions, Fall 1997 on page 107. They split out non/slave descended Blacks and 1st/2nd/3rd+ generation Asians and Hispanics. The dramatic differences between public and private NSCE institutions are fascinating. For example ORs for slave descended are 334 (!!! that is a ratio, whites are the reference class) public and 10 private. While 3rd gen Hispanic ORs are 13 public and 1.7 private. Contrast that to 2nd gen Hispanic ORs of 0.3 public and 2.8 private. What is up with 2/3 gen Hispanic OR reversal?

    Table 3.4 has similar information with a comparison of three models. The most sophisticated model has some interesting variables: e.g. sex (very different public vs. private), athlete, legacy, test score buckets, race/class interactions.

    The book is full of good information on this topic. Twinkie, do you know anything about this book? Does it match your admissions office experiences?

    P.S. For completeness, here is a link to your William Deresiewicz reference: https://newrepublic.com/article/118747/ivy-league-schools-are-overrated-send-your-kids-elsewhere

    In fact, the group that is most disadvantaged by our current admissions policies are working-class and rural whites, who are hardly present on selective campuses at all. The only way to think these places are diverse is if that’s all you’ve ever seen.

    P.P.S. Espenshade makes a good search term on both unz.com and the wider internet. A sample: https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2010/08/prof_espenshade_runs_from_his_1

  502. res says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Agreed. But the adversarial aspect of the legal profession takes the usual agency problems to another level IMHO.

  503. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Helen Gurley Brown’s statement that by looking at certain features of a man’s ears she could tell (with, so far in her admittedly fairly extensive personal experience, infallibility) whether he possessed a large penis or not. (Discreet looking in my gym locker room seems to bear this out amongst whites or ostensible whites.)

    Somehow I managed never to hear that before.

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a4671/ten-sex-tips-from-helen-gurley-brown/

    7. “The vertical indentation in a man’s ear that dips down into the fleshy part of the lobe is an indication of how big his erect penis will be. Shallow ear-indentation correspond to small penises; deeper (like the shape of Italy) go with larger. I haven’t been able to corroborate this theory recently but in my single days found it infallible.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  504. AaronB says:
    @utu

    It is astonishing that it has zero lasting impact and has not succeeded in shifting the goalposts. A fascinating insight into how power is manufactured.

    Also fascinating is that this lengthy and exhaustive rebuttal will likely have no lasting impact on Steve Sailer, cochran, murray, Peterson, etc -this should surely provide us with some insight into why whites abdicated power despite having all the advantages in terms of vastly more highly intelligent people.

    It was a collapse of will, motivation, and purpose – driven by loss of religion. This should be a lesson on the superlative importance of willpower in human affairs, and the importance of maintaining the emotional sources of motivation.

    Fascinating, too, is that religion seems to raise IQ, as you note in your other comment – likely by providing high levels of motivation, which translates into persistence in problem solving and overcoming obstacles. Apathy seems fatal to IQ.

  505. Bliss says:
    @Ron Unz

    The key factor is that a very substantial fraction of all the highest-performing Asians are concentrated in gigantic California, which therefore has one of the highest thresholds; if NMS were chosen nationally, huge additional numbers of CA Asians would qualify.

    The states with large populations all have high thresholds and these are also the states where the racial and ethnic minorities (including Jews and other ethnic whites) are over represented. The least populous states (with the exception of New England and Hawaii) tend to have the lowest thresholds and tend to be overwhelming white gentile (with Hawaii the glaring exception). So does that not mean white gentiles would be a lower percentage of National Merit Scholars if the cutoff score was the same for all states?

    Btw, Hawaii (population ~1.4 million) has the lowest percentage of whites in the US and it’s cutoff PSAT score is 1440; while West Virginia (population ~1.8 million) is one of the whitest states in the US (~93%) and it’s cutoff score is 1380 which is the lowest (shared with Wyoming and South Dakota).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  506. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    This is all true, but it’s the result of Jewish religion and culture, not “personality profile “.

    Moreovet, such aggressive behavior only works against apathetic and unmotivated people who have lost their self -confidence – and have lost their culture and religion.

    The Japanese are the exact opposite of Jews – agreeable, polite, courteous, cooperative. Jewish “chutspa” would get beaten down so fast in a Japanese environment the poor hapless jew who tried it would be left reeling. I have seen this first hand.

    Also, this “personality profile” has nothing to do with competence – and may even displace an apathetic person who’s more competent.

  507. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Wow, I am impressed. The Nazis only got as far as noses (Jewish noses are shaped like the #6 with a curve at the bottom. Aryan noses may sometimes be large but they are aquiline and straight) but you have far exceeded them in matters of racial science. I look forward to publication of your “how to tell a Jew by his toes” article in Nature or perhaps The Lancet.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anonymous
  508. Jack D says:
    @res

    Helen Gurley Brown was surely one of our greatest scientists, whose personal research, which she went to great effort to undertake, is grossly undervalued. Too bad that the Nobel is never awarded posthumously.

    Finger length ratio is a well known indicator of exposure to testosterone in the womb which in turn is associated with athletic ability as well as propensity to certain diseases. “Researchers have known for some time that if someone’s index finger is shorter than his or her ring finger that this person was probably exposed to larger amounts of testosterone at a crucial stage of fetal development.”

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201610/the-neuroscience-finger-length-ratio-and-athletic-prowess

    Maybe there are other indicators like this that have not been as well studied.

    • Replies: @res
  509. 3g4me says:
    @Ron Unz

    @486 Ron Unz: “Similarly, claims of Jewish sexual depredations against vulnerable young Gentile women seem quite widespread in history, and seemingly dovetail with the Weinstein/Brattner/etc. revelations. Why are you so absolutely certain that they’re false? Just because Alan Dershowitz and “Lot” denies them?…”

    While I realize our modern understanding of ancient genetics and physiognomy, while rapidly expanding, is also quite incomplete, I wonder if you (or any geneticists you’ve read) attribute the Jewish incidence of blue eyes to such unions. I actually have no idea what actual % of Jews have light eyes, and I realize that ancient Greeks have been described in ancient literature variously as “fair” and “golden haired,” but I retain the assumption that the historical Jews, as a semitic people, were generally dark.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  510. 3g4me says:
    @Twinkie

    @473 Twinkie: “Since in this period, the most onerous obligations the king’s subjects (and even the lesser nobles) had were military service and taxes (in essence giving away their sons and property/produce), one can imagine the privilege the Jews enjoyed since they owed NO military service AND they got to profit greatly from raising taxes.”

    Peruse almost any week of missives at the Jewish Genealogy website and you will never fail to find mention of someone’s grandfather or great-grandfather ‘forced’ to flee ‘Russia’ (Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, etc.) to avoid serving in the Tsar’s army. I’ve read that, as a program of assimilation, there was a genuine attempt made to get more Jews into the army, and I highly doubt the Christian peasants deemed their sons’ forced service any great honor, yet today’s Ashkenazi descendants, almost without fail, will mention their ancestor had to leave his family and escape to other lands to avoid the dreaded, anti-semitic fate of military conscription.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  511. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    I just finished the book by that exceptionally slimy David Reich fellow, and discovered an interesting tidbit, buried deep within. Apparently, the white ancestry of American blacks contains a substantial component from the white female line, which seems absolutely astonishing given all their unbroken generations of slavery. So where did it come from?

    Are you referring to this excerpt, or does he say that somewhere else more explicitly? Also see more excerpts below where Reich says: “Since the civil rights movement in the United States in the mid-twentieth century, cultural changes have caused the sex bias to reverse, with more coupling between black men and white women.”

    Consider African Americans. The approximately 20 percent of ancestry that comes from Europeans derives in an almost four-to-one ratio from the male side.27 Consider Latinos from Colombia. The approximately 80 percent of ancestry that comes from Europeans is derived in an even more unbalanced way from males (a fifty-to-one ratio).28

    For anyone who wants to dig deeper, here is footnote 27 (note Reich is a coauthor):
    27. K. Bryc et al., “The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans Across the United States,” American Journal of Human Genetics 96 (2015): 37–53.
    and a link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    Figure S9 has an interesting look at racial self identification related to proportion of African and Native American ancestry. I think the figures are made much harder to interpret by the inclusion of Latinos. Here is the authors’ interpretation:

    Most individuals who have less than 28% African ancestry identify as European American, rather than as African American (Figures 4 and ​and5A).5A). Logistic regression of self-identified European Americans and African Americans reveals that the proportion of African ancestry predicts self-reported ancestry significantly, with a coefficient of 20.1 (95% CI: 18.0–22.2) (Table S6 and Figure S9). For a full characterization of terms and logistic models, see Table S6 and Figure S9.

    Note that Figure 4 (rather disingenuously IMO) ignores European Americans with less than 2% African ancestry. For perspective, looking at Figure S1A we see that less than 1% of Europeans have 2-4% African ancestry. That less than 1% is the pink bar which dominates Figure 4.

    As far as I can tell, this paper only uses their X chromosome technique (i.e. does not look at mitochondrial DNA or the Y chromosome). This mitochondrial DNA study comes up with a somewhat different proportion for female direct line ancestry: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4048334/

    A fraction (14.3%; n = 49) of our study population carried mtDNA haplogroups other than the African-specific L haplogroups. These non-L haplogroups consisted of R0 (n = 24; 6.9%), R (n = 5; 1.4%), M (n = 8; 2.3%), U (n = 8; 2.3%), and N (n = 4; 1.2%). The percentage of European and South Asian haplogroups in our population is comparable to other studies of African Americans (Allard et al., 2005; Figure 2).

    Of those other haplogroups:
    R0 – primarily Arabian – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R0_(mtDNA)
    R – all over, but more in South Asia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(mtDNA)
    M – all over, probably mostly European for AAs – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)
    U – all over, probably mostly European for AAs – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)
    N – all over, probably mostly European for AAs – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(mtDNA)

    So it looks to me like ~7% of African American mtDNA is of European origin in that study.

    An earlier study found 8% total non-L haplogroups:

    While the majority of the haplogroups found in our study population were of the African heritage L groups, 14.3% of them had non-L type mtDNA haplogroups. This is higher but still comparable to the frequencies of non-L mtDNA haplogroups reported in the SWGDAM study, which found non-L haplogroups to represent 8% of their sample (Allard et al., 2005).

    ====

    Later on in his book Reich says:

    Comparison of Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA types that are highly different in frequency between African Americans and Europeans also shows that by far the majority of the European ancestry in these populations comes from males, the result of social inequality in which mixed-race couplings were primarily between free males and female slaves.11

    Footnote 11 is: E. J. Parra et al., “Ancestral Proportions and Admixture Dynamics in Geographically Defined African Americans Living in South Carolina,” American Journal of Physical Anthropology 114 (2001): 18–29.

    Here he is more explicit:

    The patterns in South Carolina are a microcosm of those in the United States as a whole. Katarzyna Bryc, at the personal ancestry testing company 23andMe, worked with me to analyze more than five thousand self-described African Americans in the company database, and found that the average European ancestry proportion was 27 percent in most of the genome but only 23 percent on chromosome X.12 Comparing proportions of ancestry on chromosome X and the other chromosomes can provide information about differences in male and female behavior during population mixture, because two-thirds of X chromosomes in the world are carried in females compared to only about half of all other chromosomes, so the X chromosome is relatively more influenced by female history. By computing the proportion of European male and female ancestors that would be necessary to produce the observed difference in European ancestry between chromosome X and the autosomes, Bryc was able to estimate the separate male (38 percent) and female (10 percent) proportion of European ancestors in African Americans. These numbers imply that the contribution of European American men to the genetic makeup of the present-day African American population is about four times that of European American women. When I discussed these findings with the sociologist Orlando Patterson, he pointed out that the fraction of the European ancestry in African Americans that came from males—which if different from half is called “sex bias”—must have been far greater during the time of slavery. Since the civil rights movement in the United States in the mid-twentieth century, cultural changes have caused the sex bias to reverse, with more coupling between black men and white women. If we carried out DNA studies of African American skeletons from a hundred years ago, there is every reason to expect an even greater sex bias.

    For a final comparison:

    Evidence of sex bias in the mixture of human populations is becoming commonplace. The male-biased European contribution to admixed populations in the Americas is stark in African Americans, but it is truly extraordinary in populations in South and Central America, reflecting stories like that of Hernán Cortés and La Malinche. Andrés Ruiz-Linares and colleagues have documented how in the Antioquia region of Colombia, which was relatively isolated between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries, about 94 percent of the Y chromosomes are European in origin, whereas about 90 percent of the mitochondrial DNA sequences are of Native American origin.33 This reflects social selection against Native American men. Because nearly all the male ancestry comes from Europeans and nearly all the female ancestry comes from Native Americans, one might naively expect that the people of Antioquia today would derive about half their genome-wide ancestry from Europeans and half from Native Americans, but this is not the case. Instead, about 80 percent of Antioquian ancestry comes from Europeans.34 The explanation is that Antioquia was flooded by male migrants over many generations. The first European men to arrive mixed with Native American women. Additional European male migrants came later. Through repeated waves of male European migration, the proportion of European ancestry kept increasing everywhere in the genome except for mitochondrial DNA, because mitochondrial DNA is passed to the next generation entirely by females.

    I found the 90% of Native American mtDNA combined with 80% total European ancestry an amazing combination of statistics.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  512. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the Ross link. That chapter is very interesting and insightful. Not least the very first paragraph. Plus ça change…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  513. res says:
    @Jack D

    LOL at your first paragraph.

    Maybe there are other indicators like this that have not been as well studied.

    Probably so. Physiognomy is fairly discredited at the moment (because racism): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiognomy

    This bit from the wiki is pretty funny:

    No clear evidence indicates physiognomy works—but the rise of artificial intelligence and machine learning for facial recognition has brought a revival of interest, and some studies that suggest that facial appearances do “contain a kernel of truth” about a person’s personality.[1]

    One interesting but unpopular variant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatotype_and_constitutional_psychology

    This is interesting and a bit worrisome IMHO: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602955/neural-network-learns-to-identify-criminals-by-their-faces/

    This statement by the authors speaks loudly about the current state of academia: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

    In November 2016 we submitted to arXiv our paper “Automated Inference on Criminality Using Face Images”. It generated a great deal of discussions in the Internet and some media outlets. Our work is only intended for pure academic discussions; how it has become a media consumption is a total surprise to us. Although in agreement with our critics on the need and importance of policing AI research for the general good of the society, we are deeply baffled by the ways some of them mispresented our work, in particular the motive and objective of our research.

    I am surprised they have not been lynched for their followup work: Automated Inference on Sociopsychological Impressions of Attractive Female Faces

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1612.04158.pdf

    It is interesting how they map faces to the three “social perception” dimensions of Dominance, Trustworthiness, and Innocence.

  514. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    Are you referring to this excerpt, or does he say that somewhere else more explicitly?

    Sure, my cursory exploration was confined to just noticing the few sentences of summary buried in the text, and looking at the footnote, rather than bothering to investigate the source article referenced.

    However, given the minimal time period, I find it exceptionally unlikely that more than a trivial portion of the white female ancestry has come since American racial barriers fell just a few decades ago, and that claim was obviously advanced to deflect the obvious conclusions. I suspect Colombia’s 50-to-1 male/female ratio is more like what one would find in the descendants of the typical slave society, say among partially-black Saudi Arabians.

  515. Ron Unz says:
    @res

    Thanks for the Ross link. That chapter is very interesting and insightful. Not least the very first paragraph. Plus ça change…

    Ross’s entire book on immigrant groups is outstanding, as are his other books on the China and on Latin America. And I do suspect that one chapter was the main reason he ended up being blotted out of American intellectual history:

    http://www.unz.com/book/author/e_a_ross/

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Silva
  516. @Tyrion 2

    Um…every SJW.

    I still don’t follow. Are you saying that “SJWs [who] talk about whites the way Nazis talk about Jews” are, but for anti-white rhetoric, otherwise reasonable people? Pussy-hat marchers, gun grabbers, radical feminists, BLM supporters, transgender rights activists, open borders ‘humanitarians’ etc. etc. (i.e. SJWs) are “otherwise reasonable people” ?

    I gave you a poll that showed that 50% of Americans supported systematic discrimination against white Americans.

    So a poll, the full wording of which was not included in your link (something that should greatly offend you, supposedly), shows that nonwhites, SJWs, and white ‘normies’/cucks back in 2005, which is ancient history in national political terms, were okay with affirmative action? Not much of a revelation. And again, a total non-sequitur to the topic at hand, which is “otherwise reasonable SJWs.” You seem to think they exist. I’m saying there’s no such thing.

    Also, why are you so offended?

    Huh? You were distressed that I misquoted you, despite me doing no such thing. So I merely corrected your huffy accusation in a jocular manner. :)

    As for your alt-lite Hitler-or-SJW memes, I guess you’re big into horseshoe theory?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  517. HA says:
    @Anonymous

    Courtney Love, …has a Jewish bottom.

    FWIW, Courtney Love isn’t Jewish. (Though I suppose it’s possible that her liposuction doctor was.)

  518. Of course it is taboo to count Jews.

    Jews are about 2.5% of the US population, and are over-represented by about a factor of 10 in the top jobs where ethnic representation is considered important.

    The corollary is that, despite what you might hear, white gentiles are under-represented in desirable jobs.

    In fact, whites’ combined share of good jobs approximates their share of the US population; and therefore the same is true of other races when added together.

    Among whites, Jews are over-represented while Hispanics are under-represented; among other races, Asians are over-represented but Blacks are under-represented.

    Yet somehow a brain-dead narrative has arisen in which white gentiles are privileged, and use that privilege to keep minorities down. Our sins are so grave that the only viable solution is replacement of America’s “legacy population”.

  519. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ian M.

    But cinema fits perfectly with Jewish storytelling and the visuospatial gap explains why there are often awkwardly brute forced juxtapositions in movies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ian M.
  520. Dissident says:

    Relevant:
    Judaism vs. Jewish Identity Politics- Gilad Atzmon and Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro

    The Jews by Hillaire Belloc

    https://archive.org/details/jewsbello00belluoft

    Also available as Librevox audio book:

    https://archive.org/details/TheJews

  521. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says: