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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Will Trump be Good for the Jewish People?
by Steve Sailer
December 07, 2016

Much of the hysteria sweeping the fraction of the country that voted for Hillary Clinton originates in understandable Jewish worries about whether the rising tide of populist nationalism will be good for Jewish people.

Note the disparate media treatment of Trump’s two Steves. The press has gone nuts baselessly tarring the working-class Irish-American Stephen Bannon, Trump’s strategist, as anti-Semitic (in reality, Bannon helped bankroll Seinfeld), while largely ignoring Jewish-American Stephen Miller, Trump’s brilliant speechwriter and warm-up act, because he doesn’t fit into the Narrative.

While unfair, it’s reasonable for Jews to feel uneasy about Donald Trump’s promises to bring change to a global system under which, whatever its failings, Jews have prospered more than any other ethnic group.

Burkean prudence advises the people on top to be cautious about proposed changes. After all, they have the most to lose.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Whoa! Slow down there! “The people on top”!?! Don’t you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

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    Yeah, Rick got locked up for fighting against his rulers. They think they own the galaxy. Rick disagrees.
    , @Anonym
    Rick Sanchez didn't earn his living panhandling from a legion of online donors. How are they going to destroy Steve's career exactly? If anything, maybe a freelance gig or two at Breitbart or similar is on the cards.
    , @Neoconned
    "Heavy lies the crown....."

    Sanchez was one of the most bland commentators out there & had as borish, CSPAN type demeanor and his positions were painfully neutral & moderate and yet look how he was crucified.....no pun intended.....
    , @Jefferson
    "Whoa! Slow down there! “The people on top”!?! Don’t you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever?"

    Since when do Jews claim to be the number 1 most oppressed group ever? Even the most far Left Wing Jew will say Blacks are the number 1 most oppressed group in the history of mankind. No Social Justice Warrior Jew will ever say that Blacks have suffered way less discrimination and poverty than Jews.
    , @Dennis Dale
    What would an exile forced on Steve equivalent to that forced on Rick Sanchez look like? Calling high school football games in the Valley? I think Sailer would have productive fun with that.
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  2. Note the disparate media treatment of Trump’s two Steves.

    I’d put Jared Kushner in this picture with the two Steves.

    Another little thing: The workin-class irish-american backgroud of Steve Bannon is just too much for the German media, as far as I could see. He comes across as simply rude, rich, cynic – and very dangerous (anti-semitic!).

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    Note the disparate media treatment of Trump’s two Steves.

    I’d put Jared Kushner in this picture with the two Steves.
     
    Poor Jared. Seems that some of his co-ethnics aren't enthusiastic about him:

    Dear Mr. Kushner,

    My name is Dana Schwartz and I’m an entertainment writer at the Observer, the paper owned by your publishing company. On July 2, as I’m sure you’re aware (and have probably been wringing your hands about for the last three days), your father-in-law Donald Trump tweeted out an image of Hillary Clinton in front of raining money with a six-sided star declaring she’s the “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!”


    http://observer.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-jared-kushner-from-one-of-your-jewish-employees/
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  3. From the linked Daily Beast article:

    Strangely enough, this so-called “champion of white supremacy” [Bannon] has for years been profiting off perhaps the most Jewish sitcom ever created: Seinfeld.

    Basically what I was saying. (#361)

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  4. Randal says:

    Another very good piece. I’ve commented on it at Taki’s, but I’ll make the two points again here.

    First, I think this is a great examplar of the basic case against censorship, which is (per JS Mill) that once you ban the questioning of any “truth”, you lose any possibility confidence in that “truth” being true. This kind of piece simply could not be published anywhere in the mainstream media in any of the societies of the US sphere (“the west”). And yet it addresses issues that desperately need to be addressed.

    Second, Sailer makes a very significant point about entirely understandable jewish fears that arguments about white privilege could come to be applied to jewish privilege, with potentially disastrous consequences for jews. He traces this concern back as far as 1975, but presumably it was generally recognised but not published a long time prior to that. He identifies the active social suppression of any expression of this view via media “influence” and credits this with defusing the point.

    However another key way in which this potential threat was defused was the endless belabouring of the Holocaust narrative, with its harrowing confirmation of jews as ultimate victims. It seems likely Sailer has put his finger on why this became so much more important in western media and popular culture so long after the war itself was over and the real political issues involved had become so irrelevant to real modern political life. The Holocaust has been raised to the status of a cultural idol, and any questioning of the related details of history made into a breach of the most dangerous taboo in western culture, subject to censorship, social and economic exclusion and even prosecution in many European countries, because it is a key defence against the most dangerous potential threat to jewish privilege.

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    While I am opposed to European style censorship and fines for Holocaust denial, calling the gas chambers a mere "detail" of history is obviously tendentious. No one fair minded could call industrialized genocide a mere detail - it marked a fundamental turning point in European history. Le Pen must have had Orwell's dictum in mind:“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” The Nazis did deep and lasting damage to European nationalism. Without Hitler, there is no Merkel. I don't blame Le Pen from wanting to clean up his brand, but the way to do it is not by re-writing European history.
    , @iffen
    irrelevant to real modern political life

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
    Hence so much effort on the part of Nazis to deny and revise.
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  5. Gabriel M says:

    A good and fair article.

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  6. Jewish pp is good for someone??

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  7. Hunsdon says:

    Good job, boss. I liked the Stan Lee line and the references to noblesse oblige, and of course what a killer ending. (Poor Judah!)

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  8. IHTG says:

    Heck, forget Stephen Miller, they’ve even got a Steven Mnuchin now.

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  9. Steve,

    Why not think of jews as though jews were humans and we were, say, very intelligent sub-humans? Interacting with them, rarely since they are few, would be on a 1 to 1 basis. Every transaction/interaction in either direction horizonal or vertical (jew=human or us=sub-human) would be 1 to 1 for that is the essense of interactions.

    Since we know that we’re not all alike, ethically, or genetically, why assume the humans/jews have any other intrinsec commonality other than their genetic identity? Talk about this one, ok, talk about another one, ok. As there is no communality between them any more than there is between us, the jewish question is not an intellectually honest inquiry.

    Dulce est et decorum moriri pro sua patria! <I don't think I said that

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    Ashkenazi Jews have approximately 50% European admixture, mostly of Southern European origin but with a small component of Eastern/Northern European origin. And all Europeans, including Northern Europeans have some Early European Farmer ancestry that originates in part from Anatolia and the Levant. Northwestern Europeans turn out to have a bit more Early European Farmer ancestry than Northeastern Europeans (Slavs, Balts and Finns).
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  10. Karl says:

    American Jews have a lot of money, which in theory, can be extracted from them with words. Now they =do= divide into two camps…… we can summarize the constellation of manifestations of which, as: Hillary supporters, and Trump supporters.

    The ones who MAKE THINGS HAPPEN are in the latter camp. The big problem with those folks is….. in practice, you cannot get them to write you a check by scaring them them with cootie-encrusted boogymen. They’re too busy saving (say for example) Constitutional Carry in the USA – any resources left over, are spent on saving (say for example) IDF Lone Soldiers

    So if you were an enterprising Pro Jew, you’d probably focus on the Hillary supporters – ie, the ones who WATCH things happen and kvetch about it. They will buy tickets to your lectures at the 92nd Street Y, they will send checks to your SPLC. Get yourself a degree in Sociology; you can harvest a few bucks off of them.

    Now if you were a truly smart Pro Jew, you’d make note that the former group is breeding itself out of existence generation by generation. But….. how do they say it….. “apres moi le deluge!”

    iSteve is loyal to his own tribe, and has chosen to cater to his own guys – and he is uniquely talented at doing that. The problem is…. they are Joe Sixpack White Guys with not all THAT much extra money to throw around. That’s why his wife waited 8 years to get a new kitchen.

    iSteve does ==talk about== the Jews a lot, in a quasi-nice way. Which translates into SOME money. Which puts him head & shoulders above everyone else here. Were that I was a fly on the wall, counting how many decades it will take for Mrs Linh Dinh get a new kitchen.

    There will be a newly refurbished Vietnamese kitchen at the Unit 8200 Research Laboratory, before Mrs L.D gets one

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    Now if you were a truly smart Pro Jew, you’d make note that the former group is breeding itself out of existence generation by generation.

    I'd love to see the outmarriage rates before and after Dirty Dancing. Young Jewess falls for prospectless but noble and attractive goy dance instructor. It's the sort of movie that could have been written by a raving anti-Semite, but one who was crafty enough to want to splice the Jewish bloodline with his own.

    Instead it was probably written by a PC kool-aid drinking Jew. Actually it is a work based on the early experiences of a Jewess who later married a Jew.
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  11. CK says:

    The 1% is 1/3 Jewish? Who knew

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    The "1%" is mostly filled with suburban upper middle class and main street small business owners who are politically unimportant. They're not capable of funding BLM riots or think tanks on their own. The billionaires and centimillionaires are the 0.1% who are capable of causing a lot of trouble.
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  12. Bannon accepted royalties from Seinfeld syndication in lieu of payment for advisory fees. More accurately, Seinfeld bankrolled Breitbart and his Sarah Palin and Phil Robertson documentaries.

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  13. Every time Steve publishes at Taki I’m reminded how much better the commenters are here, taken as a whole, than at that site. I’m pretty sure that was Richard Spencer’s doing before he moved along to his next gig.

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  14. OT–you’re linking to the one page print version of your article as you always do, which is convenient:

    http://takimag.com/article/will_trump_be_good_for_the_jewish_people_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4S92pcLH2

    However, linking to the regular multipage version would yield more banner ad clicks. That would be fine by me, common sense blogging should pay the rent somehow, quite legitimate.

    http://takimag.com/article/will_trump_be_good_for_the_jewish_people_steve_sailer

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  15. Of course he is, if he delivers.

    Muslims + 2nd Ammendment is a disaster for all Americans and Jews in particular.

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    Muslims + 2nd Ammendment is a disaster for all Americans and Jews in particular.
     

    Any situation - American Evangelicals = disaster for the Jews.

    No others love them at all.

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  16. One aspect that seems significant, but sits unexplored, is the intense tension between orthodox and secular Jews. The low level cold civil war between red and blue America is mirrored by something similar between secular and orthodox Jews (and the threat that Jews project onto gentiles is likely the insecurity that they’re cousins inflict upon them).

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    "One aspect that seems significant, but sits unexplored, is the intense tension between orthodox and secular Jews. The low level cold civil war between red and blue America is mirrored by something similar between secular and orthodox Jews (and the threat that Jews project onto gentiles is likely the insecurity that they’re cousins inflict upon them)."

    I read that the Orthodox in New York City who are the Jewish version of Evangelicals mostly voted for Donald J. Trump.

    What is it about the Shiksa Crooked Hildabeast that turns off most Orthodox Jews? Her closet Lesbianism? Homosexuality is seen as a sin in the Orthodox Jewish community.

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  17. Mr. Anon says:

    “Much of the hysteria sweeping the fraction of the country that voted for Hillary Clinton originates in understandable Jewish worries about whether the rising tide of populist nationalism will be good for Jewish people.”

    I don’t think it is “understandable”. I reject the notion that another people are entitled to some kind of summary veto power over my ethnic interests, or that my nationalism is guilty until proven innocent. I especially reject it coming from people who assiduously pursue their ethnic interests and their nationalism.

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    I caught that also and had the same reaction as you. Very well said on your behalf. That word is the only flaw in Mr. Sailer's article.
    , @Anonym
    I don’t think it is “understandable”. I reject the notion that another people are entitled to some kind of summary veto power over my ethnic interests, or that my nationalism is guilty until proven innocent. I especially reject it coming from people who assiduously pursue their ethnic interests and their nationalism.

    I agree with everything you have written except that it is not "understandable". Jewish concern over populist nationalism is natural from a couple different perspectives. One, the possibility of losing control or strong influence. When you are at the top of the tree, the status quo is a nice place to be.

    The second concern is over rising anti-Semitism. KMac brings up good points, but IIRC he is not prescriptive in his approach to the JQ. Knowledge of that information naturally provokes resentment and anger. It takes a fairly big person to emerge from that head space and note that Jews are not monolithic and that we have a not insignificant number of Jews or early order mischlinge on our side. Some are actually doing constructive things. For example, Stephen Miller.

    Nevertheless and irrespective of how we arrived at this point, from the perspective of the average Jew, rising anti-Semitism can lead to pogroms, and this is understandable as what has happened before can happen again. Jewry at large has (regrettably) taken a "fix it when it breaks" approach to AS rather than a preventative type of approach that would have been more sustainable. But anyway, it is good to see the occasional Miller when one mostly sees the likes of Soros.

    One should also remember that it is most probably in our own interest to moderate the AS. It took a lot of work to get the UK and USA to come in or remain on the Jewish side of WWII, but they did - and despite the brilliance of Hitler and the immense human capital of Germany, the Germans eventually got their asses kicked. Nukes were invented by Jews, in response to Hitler. Those who would promote violent AS should be careful what they wish for. And they should also realize that the victors had some magnanimity - the Morgenthau plan was not implemented.

    A good portion of what I wrote is not aimed at your comment, but I thought it worth expressing.
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  18. Good for the Jews? Yes.

    As much so as Hillary? No.

    Hence the cacophony of kvetching.

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  19. Romanian says:

    Very good article. In the interest of fairness, I am also looking forward to the follow-ups – Will Trump be good for the Romanians?, Will Trump be good for the Armenians?, Will Trump be good for the Czechs?, Will Trump be good for the Yoruba? Does Jewish privilege also extend to Mr. Sailer’s attention? :)

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    Haha, will Trump be good for the Romanians? I have a feeling he won't be good for the Ukrainians and the Baltics, but Romania seems safely far enough away from Putin's ambitions. Just don't get stupid and fulfill the Moldovans' dreams of unification.

    Steve won't write such an article, though, as indeed this one wasn't about whether Trump will be good for the Jews (an interesting question I hope we'll explore soon, and my answer is Yes). Instead, and disappointingly, this article was the umpteenth reprise of Steve's obsession with Jewish wealth and influence.

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  20. Well, Jews don’t have much of a history of noblesse oblige for any group but their own, which is understandable. They show sympathy at times but never to the point that it hurts business or tribe.

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    No, the question of whether Jews will let up on whites comes down to one thing: Do Jews believe that they can “pass” for non-white?

    If they believe that they can be seen by blacks, Hispanics and Asians as just another non-white group, Jews will continue their war on whites. However, if they start noticing that those other groups simply won’t accept them as anything other than just another form of whites, Jews will quickly change the narrative.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know. I’m just a stupid goy.

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    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles
     
    Er. I'm not sure how aware the alt-right is that "gentiles" isn't a synonym for "white European".
    , @Anonym
    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    They damn well do owe a debt of gratitude to the Anglosphere for fighting on their behalf in WWII. And Russia for that matter, but especially the Anglosphere because there has been no tangible AS in the interim. Frankly, I personally know of some Jews who have seen it like this and have attempted to actually repay the favor. Unfortunately others, and influential ones, have not.
    , @ben tillman

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.
     
    That's really poorly done. While gentiles may be "the last group on the planet that [Jews would] show noblesse oblige toward", gentiles are also the first and only group on the planet that Jews could possibly show noblesse oblige toward. Do you understand?

    And there is no justification whatsoever for the belief that "gentiles", as a group, tried to wipe Jews off the face of the earth.
    , @ben tillman

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know.
     
    Seeing as how Jews were largely responsible for creating the original Brazil, you really shouldn't be surprised that the Jewish community thinks that's the way to go.
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  21. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve, you are missing a major issue. Diminishing marginal returns, an Isteve obsession. Jews have done well, up to a point, with diversity etc. BUT, and this is a big BUT, mass Third World immigration is very, VERY bad for Jews. It brings in Muslims whose only objective is to kill Jews (and also Christians like poor Fr. Hamel during Mass). There is zero possibility of Jews even being allowed to keep what they have with more Third World Immigration.

    Look at likely DNC head Keith Ellison X. His views on Jews, Israel, etc. have provoked Haim Saban, another Isteve favorite, to declare his wallet closed to Dems. Indeed Donald Trump by pushing back on the tide of the Third World is the best thing for Jews in decades. Also homeowners, Whites in general, the Middle Class, etc.

    Those with the MOST to lose, i.e. middle class Whites making 50-75K voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. Trump has little downside for that group, also wealthy, influential Jews, and much upside — lowering threats from stabby Somalis and vibrant Chechens, and desire eventually among non-Whites to simply take property (and other things) from the big targets.

    Jews have done well like old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts (Hillary, Liawatha Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi etc) in riding the Third World Wave but that Wave is demanding its own leaders, not Whites. Jews are White. They can’t change their skin color; Spike Lee’s revenge is the purging of Whites (read: Jews) out of Hollywood in favor of “Diversity.” Kathleen Kennedy, running Disney’s Star Wars franchise, said she won’t “cater” to White men, won’t cast White men, won’t have White men directors, and wants to eliminate White writers.

    The logical outcome of Hollywood’s “Diversity” enthusiasm is an all-Black Hollywood where Jews have as much influence as in Nigeria’s entertainment industry.

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    Nonsense. Where anti-Semitism does not exist, Jews must create it. Anti-Semitism is good for the Jews - it enforces group cohesion and sustains the victim narrative which justifies endless Jewish greed and the flaunting of moral norms. An essential component of Jewish moral supremacism is the belief that the goyim are fundamentally wicked and out to get the Jews for no good reason. This gives Jews a free pass to cheat the goy and set themselves up as "above the law" in their own imagination.
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  22. Can something be good for the Jews if it’s bad for everybody else?

    And if not, how many Jews would agree? ;)

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  23. Jason Liu says:

    I’ll tell Jews what I tell my Asian friends:

    -The odds of Trump putting minorities in gas chambers is less than 0.1%
    -The odds of Trump dealing a body blow to social justice bullshit is 20%+

    If you’re right wing, or just centrist, those are good odds.

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    You think there's a 1 in 1000 chance Trump will "put minorities in gas chambers"?

    Where are these "gas chambers"? Right next to the FEMA camps piled high with coffins?
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  24. inertial says:

    I believe the Flight From White is explained not so much by Jewish super-rationality but by the typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity. The chain of reasoning appears to be as follows:

    1. White supremacists are Nazis.

    2. White supremacists hate non-whites.

    3. Nazis hated Jews.

    4. Therefore, Jews are non-white.

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    Nazis were white supremacists? I thought they were Aryan supremacists.
    , @ben tillman

    I believe the Flight From White is explained not so much by Jewish super-rationality but by the typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity. The chain of reasoning appears to be as follows:

    1. White supremacists are Nazis.

    2. White supremacists hate non-whites.

    3. Nazis hated Jews.

    4. Therefore, Jews are non-white.
     
    But no one reaches that conclusion (even by other routes) except for a few Jews and pro-Whites. 99% of Americans consider Jews white. The "typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity" certainly comes into play, but it causes the "typical American" to reach the opposite conclusion.
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  25. Luke Lea says: • Website

    Wasn’t it Burke who said, “The only thing necessary for bad Jews to triumph is for good Jews to do nothing?”

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    Berkowitz has no use for Burke.
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  26. Jews are afraid because Trump bypassed the Jewish dominated media and reached enough voters to win the presidency. Jews exercise mass control by inverting morality – teaching Whites that the only real evil is racism (the worst kind is anti-Semitism), and that only Whites can be racist.
    But the Jewish morality narrative is not natural, it is in fact a fairly transparent power grab over gullible Whites. It is ultimately a con, and only sustainable when Jews can control every newspaper, TV network, major publisher etc. This is why Trump elicits such hysteria. Even one prominent goy pointing out that the emperor has no clothes terrifies the Jews,because they fear that their whole scam will unravel upon exposure. In reality, unfortunately, it probably won’t. The Jews are resilient and will refine their strategies in the medium and long term. But it sure is nice to see them lose once in a while. They are so annoyingly arrogant. Thank heaven for Trump.

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    Media domination is not really a thing anymore when one talented person can set up a website that in three years gets more hits than nearly every newspaper.

    People now have many dozens of full service news sites and to the extent they are dominated by Jews, it is because they are providing what the market wants.
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  27. Chase says:

    Alas, I had a brilliant comment lined up on this article when you (mistakenly) posted this on Monday, but it is now gone with the wind.

    I will say that running everything through the filter “Is it good for the Jews?” is not a very smart thing to do on every issue a for the Jews.

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  28. Someone needs to clue your Taki commenters into the br’er patch they’re throwing Jewish br’er rabbits into by trying to purge them from whiteness.

    Are they trying to get Soros funding or something?

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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Noblesse Oblige is rooted in aristocratic culture.

    Noblemen could feel this way because they could take their power and privilege for granted. They were born into privilege without trying.

    In contrast, Jews rose as merchants, and it was always about saving every cent. And since the state or the mob could take away Jewish merchant wealth, Jews mastered the art of hiding or transferring wealth.

    Jews have lacked aristocratic mindset even though some Jews bought titles as trophies.
    Jewish mindset developed shylockianly.

    Noblesse Oblige is ultimately a bad model because it presumes permanent privilege: the elites will have power/privilege forever and should be nice to permanent inferiors.

    For this model to work, it needs an upper caste and lower caste.

    In a free society, such a model is bad for the elites. It makes them magnanimous and complacent.
    Since their power is not permanently guaranteed, their generosity can lead to weakness and downfall. Look what happened to Wasp power due to NO. Look at Germans and Wilkommen. Decline and humiliation.

    NO(noblesse oblige) is also bad for the masses. While talented people like Jews may rise to the top by exploiting cracks in NO, for other groups the prevailing ideal becomes that the rich and powerful should take care of them.

    NO was ruinous for both Wasps and blacks. Excessive magnanimity and complacency led to Wasp decline in power and prestige. And excessive expectation of favors and benefits turned blacks into wards of the state.

    So, I don’t want NO from Jews.

    I just want honesty, so that gentiles can work in their own interests like Jews do. And this means white gentiles too. The only NO that whites need is one where white elites identify with and represent the white masses. But this is more powerful than NO. It is called Nationalism.

    Also, NO is never universal. It is who/whom.

    So, some Jews could argue that Jews are indeed into NO by pushing for amnesty and Muslim refugees. But this NO to non-whites hurts whites. Now, Jews will argue that whites got ‘privilege’, so they don’t deserve special favors.
    But this is Jews projecting their own tribal interests onto non-whites and using them as weapons against whites.

    Besides, when it comes to foreign policy, Jews certainly don’t favor non-whites whose lands have been devastated to serve Zionist power.

    Jews only offer NO to non-whites when such folks are useful against whites.

    But then, white American NO toward Zionist Jews after WWII meant turning a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians. If any people deserve NO today, it is the Palestinians.

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    Noblesse Oblige is ultimately a bad model because it presumes permanent privilege: the elites will have power/privilege forever and should be nice to permanent inferiors.

    You may have a valid point, but it is eroded by a lack of understanding of why NO is good for elites. A fair, just and intelligent ruler secures his own tenure and that of his children by NO. Elites always have targets on their backs. When you guard the honeypot, you need to be smart enough to outwit the pretenders, the challengers, the con men. Some of these may come along regardless as to whether you employ NO or not. But undoubtedly you get less of them.

    When you rule as a despot, like Kim Jong Un, you want to pray that you have hyper-intelligent and resourceful children because your actions have painted a target on your own back and theirs in the view of most people in your country.

    The merchant class is not far different in that respect. Lack NO, and you get Trump if you're lucky and Lenin if you're not.

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  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Luke Lea
    Wasn't it Burke who said, "The only thing necessary for bad Jews to triumph is for good Jews to do nothing?"

    Berkowitz has no use for Burke.

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  31. guest says:

    Jews gotta jump off the diversity carousel sometime soon. They’re losing, losing big, and they know it. If they wait too long, they’re going to just be white people.

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  32. guest says:

    By the way, when you say much of the hysteria, you can’t be serious. Jewish hysteria accounts for very little of the total hysteria over Trump. But as usual, their hysteria gets disproportionate attention for no good reason. I care that Jews are afraid of Trump inspiring his white masses to commit pogroms about as much as I care about UFO sightings.

    But actually, they’re not afraid, except of losing power and influence. If they can’t pull the neocon trick anymore they’ve got to find a new game. They don’t have one yet, hence the fear which in their overdramatic minds is presented constantly as the specter of New Holocausts. (At least to the outside; within, they’re probably just thinking of the bottom line.)

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  33. Jack D says:

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say “much” of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say “some” – even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don’t sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type “Confederates” have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day “Confederates” (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don’t get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism – see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #’s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for “polite” society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the “white” team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn’t there before.

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    Steve's target audience here is the thought leaders who tell those nice white ladies what to think, not the nice white ladies themselves. He takes care to remain just outside the pale (as you note) so that those thought leaders can present his ideas as their own without worrying about credit.
    , @benjaminl

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don’t sound like Jewish names to me.
     
    Really?! I acknowledge some of what you say, but come on - Jews are 2% of the US population, so if there are plenty of Jews and plenty of non-Jews on the list, that means Jews have prospered "more than."

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/income-distribution-within-us-religious-groups/
    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Jews-highest-earning-religious-group-in-US

    To me this sounds as ridiculous as the claim that blacks and whites each shoot about the same number of people in America each year. Maybe so, but there are a lot more whites...

    I'm very appreciative of all the patriotic Jewish Americans who have done a lot to make America great, but some of these tics are really irritating...
    , @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too.
     
    Okay, back to reality.

    If Jews are 2% of the population and 1/3 of the folks in the top 1%, then, by definition, they are overrepresented by a factor of 16, or if you prefer more drama, Jews are 1600% more likely than other whites to be in the top 1%. I don't begrudge them success. They were after all the ones who were smart enough to come to the US rather than wait around to get roasted. Also, I probably benefit a lot because of the tech and medicine etc., to which some have contributed. So, great, they are here and they are contributing and are successful. That is swell. However, like their non-Jewish counterparts, those who happen to be in media or value transference, SJW's etc., really don't make life better. So, I am not going to pretend that they do. I don't necessarily think the nutty New York and San Francisco style liberalism is due mostly to Jews, but that crowd does have a fair amount of vocal Jews. So, again they are over represented and like their non-Jewish counterparts, they are annoying.

    Thanks to evangelical Christians, the USA is more friendly to Jews than any place else including Israel which is full of hostile Palestinians.

    , @Mikey Darmody
    Leo Frank was probably guilty of that girl's death. He has remained a fixation of the America-based Jewish community despite being mostly forgotten by the American people. To his coethnics, his case is representative of the Jewish experience in the South. I see no evidence that anyone considered Jews with murderous intent for most of this country's history, so I reject that representation. Some of my family has Italian derivation. The Italians were lynched much more often than the Jews. I can contemplate the phenomena of Italian lynchings dispassionately and admit that they probably occurred as an extreme reaction to certain kinds of un-American behavior in the Italian community. For some reason, though, the Italians have moved past all that.
    , @G Pinfold
    You critique Steve's lack of gentility very gently indeed.

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too.
     
    OK, Steve is guilty of assuming a level of numeracy here that may be a stretch for an elite readership.

    you say “much” of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say “some” – even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.
     
    This is more than a nice quibble: 'Much' does not imply 'most', but, yes, it is stronger than 'some', and raises the question 'how much?'. What, for example, do Lyndsey Graham's concerns over Trump's view of Putin and Assad have to do with the question at hand?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Agree with the first part of your comment. This is one of the occasional Sailer essays I found a bit too outré to share.

    But I disagree that Steve's Civil War reference was a non-sequitur. History is frequently used to justify "flight from white", so it makes sense for Steve to point out where history refutes those claims.
    , @ben tillman

    You usually don’t get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews[,] and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism – see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #’s in the late 19th century.
     
    The American South is possibly the most philo-Semitic place that has existed anywhere on earth in the last 5,777 years. And Leo Frank was probably guilty, and even if he wasn't the jury was right to convict him because he self-evidently perjured himself in a way that pointed the arrow of guilt straight at himself.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Leo Frank was by all accounts cretinous. It seems to me quite possible that he did rape and murder that poor little girl. Toss up between him or the black janitor Conley. In any case, lynchings were quite common back then. The white non-jewish man who murdered my great grandmother in 1922 was very nearly lynched by a torch-wielding mob.

    http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.jones/16787/mb.ashx
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  34. Jews or Americans in general. The 1% are:

    Income of $32,400

    Net wealth (including real estate) of $770,000

    What’s that phrase, ‘Burkean prudence’? Doesn’t that mean that Americans, espcecially White Americans should protect the status quo? That includes the status of Jews.

    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp

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    What point do you think you're making with this factoid?
    , @Anonymous
    It doesn't take much wealth to be in the top 1% for the world. I think the protests a few years ago were aimed at the top 1% in the United States, and even that is misguided. It only takes a few million dollars in wealth to make it into the top 1% , which is mostly the territory of small businessmen and upper middle class professionals near the end of their careers. The big money, greater than $100 million in wealth, represents the top 0.1%. Those are the real troublemakers who can fund riots and political campaigns and influence legislators and opinion makers.
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  35. Will Trump be Good for the Jewish People? One clue could be the fact that he carries Jared Kushner around in his back pocket.

    Then again, this could be interpreted any number of ways. Occam’s Razor would cut this down to Donald liking Jared’s work and advice. Plus the fact that someone in the family is more likely loyal and safe.

    On the other hand, this could be another 4D chess case. Jared is insurance against Trump ever being truly vulnerable to accusations of anti-semitism. He could also be life insurance.

    Who knows? One thing is pretty certain: Things in America are always good for the Jewish people. I doubt very much this will change.

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    Who knows? One thing is pretty certain: Things in America are always good for the Jewish people. I doubt very much this will change.
     
    "The wind and the waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators."
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  36. MLK says:

    Trump is a fascinating man of his time and place. In Stephen Birmingham’s dichotomizing, Trump went with the vulgar upstart Russian/Polish Jews rather than the genteel German Jews of elite New York.

    Excepting his running for President, is there anything about Trump’s biography and personality that isn’t that of a successful New York Jew with a chip on his shoulders? Even the “Drumpf” meme fits the high hat condescension he has unrelentingly been subjected to.

    You mentioned something salient a while back. Trump seeing what was to come in high-end NYC real estate years before Wall Street’s renaissance which would power it. I think he’s always resented being a lowly single-digit billionaire rather than of the Bloomberg achievement.

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    Not just his biography and personality, but his speech (e.g., "schlonged"). A successful Boomer outer borough Jew, to be a little more precise.

    Speaking of which, why hasn't Bernie Sanders visited Trump Tower since the election, when his supporter Tulsi Gabbard has?

    Is he afraid that he and Trump would get along too well?

    Bernie has been a mystery to me this year. Before then, he always struck me as someone with integrity, even if wrongheaded sometimes. But endorsing Hillary made little sense to me. It's clear there's a lot more overlap between his views on trade and immigration (prior to this year's flip-flop) and Trump's than Hillary's.
    , @Anonymous
    Does this comparison extend to a major weakness of his: seeking the approval of the old money genteel elite Jews, like the NYTimes (at the expense of his base and platform)?
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  37. If you have a billion dollars and your neighbor has 2 billion dollars you’re going to feel awfully poor.

    But that’s a psychological issue not a ‘real’ one.

    For Americans like Steve to focus on the richest 1% of Americans while a huge number of Americans make up the world’s 1% (even including Steve?) is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses and not a dealing with a real problem.

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    Yeah, how dare Steve be more concerned about the well-being of his neighbors and fellow citizens, than some random third-worlder living 10,000 miles away.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    This is a totally wrong-headed analogy. Being in the world's top wealthiest doesn't confer any influence over events similar to being in the US top wealthiest.

    Not to mention the fact that, as an American, concern over US circumstances is totally reasonable.
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  38. utu says:

    “Contemporary Jews are remarkably lacking in self-awareness of their overdog status.”

    But this lack of self-awareness gives them greater animus. Lack of self-awareness by other name is self-deception which allows them to make false arguments in good faith w/o resorting to conscious deception.

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  39. utu says:

    “Nathan Glazer in his 1975 anti-racial-preferences book Affirmative Discrimination, lamented that the white-privilege logic that imposed racial quotas upon whites in general could easily be used to inflict even more onerous burdens on the most successful group of whites, Jews.”

    Was he afraid that at some point Whites will ask for affirmative action at expense of Jews?

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  40. One wonders what “good for the Jews” might even mean these days.

    Some decades ago it might have had a clear meaning: good for Israel, which Jews overwhelmingly supported.

    But my strong impression is that among younger Jews — of which there are increasingly fewer — who very much incline left, Israel is something resembling an embarrassment. It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.

    A great deal of the war being fought for Israel in American public opinion is being directed by men of such great age that it seems remarkable that they are still alive, much less active. What is going to remain of specifically Jewish interests when these dinosaurs finally collapse into the tar pits?

    By outmarriage Jews are now simply blending into the elite class. Their interests will be completely indistinguishable from those of that larger class.

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    Trump has just been elected to reverse this process. As I wrote in another thread on November 30, the Orthodox Jews are now at war with their secularist cousins, and they are finally winning.
    The Jews of Israel (the religious ones) are thrilled with Trump's victory and are hardly unaware, not only that his son-in-law is Orthodox, but that his daughter converted to Judaism before marrying him.
    The Orthodox understand the threat from Islam and are willing (perhaps only for the time being) to unite with Christians to bring this beast down. That they will have to defeat their cousins in Hollywood and the MSM is now being actively taken into account.
    The struggle, although deadly serious and important for us as much as for them, will nevertheless be fun to watch unfold.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.
     
    Virtue to whom?

    Not minorities. They are not interested in virtue. They prefer cash.
    , @iffen
    One wonders what “good for the Jews” might even mean these days.

    Having your father-in-law elected President might be pretty good.
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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jews = Noblesse Malice
    They are notoriously mean-spirited and hostile to outsiders. NO relies on a homogenous society where manners, status and land are important. It doesn’t apply to merchant middleman minorities in capitalist societies.

    Anyone who understands Putnam can see how catastrophic vlannish non-Whites are to higb trust White societies. Hence we see naive Germanics & refugees as we as useful idiots like Kathleen Kennedy (who can vote thanks to female suffrage).

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    Right, Nobless Malice: that's why America's largest cities are full of hospitals and medical schools endowed by Jewish donors.
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  42. @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    Steve’s target audience here is the thought leaders who tell those nice white ladies what to think, not the nice white ladies themselves. He takes care to remain just outside the pale (as you note) so that those thought leaders can present his ideas as their own without worrying about credit.

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  43. utu says:

    The majority would be better off if Jews were considered a separate ethnic status instead of playing the never ending game of I-am-white-but-now-I-am-a-Jew. The top caste needs to be identified and known. Only then Jews will have incentive to engage in noblesse oblige trick. As long as they can hide among Whites they can undermine white interests with impunity. This however will happen only if Whites asserts themselves as an ethnic group that has grievances. Jews will do everything to redirect these grievances against Blacks and Browns where they will spent they force.

    Btw, I did not like the last paragraph with Jefferson Davis. It undermined the direction of the previous arguments in the article.

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    The top caste needs to be identified and known.
     
    Perhaps they should be required to wear yellow stars pinned to their clothing. That should do the trick!
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  44. benjaminl says:
    @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don’t sound like Jewish names to me.

    Really?! I acknowledge some of what you say, but come on – Jews are 2% of the US population, so if there are plenty of Jews and plenty of non-Jews on the list, that means Jews have prospered “more than.”

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/income-distribution-within-us-religious-groups/

    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Jews-highest-earning-religious-group-in-US

    To me this sounds as ridiculous as the claim that blacks and whites each shoot about the same number of people in America each year. Maybe so, but there are a lot more whites…

    I’m very appreciative of all the patriotic Jewish Americans who have done a lot to make America great, but some of these tics are really irritating…

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    Jack D might have been on firmer ground referring to Indian-Americans as a counter example instead: http://www.newsgram.com/indian-americans-are-the-wealthiest-ethnic-group-in-america-says-report/
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  45. @anony-mouse
    If you have a billion dollars and your neighbor has 2 billion dollars you're going to feel awfully poor.

    But that's a psychological issue not a 'real' one.

    For Americans like Steve to focus on the richest 1% of Americans while a huge number of Americans make up the world's 1% (even including Steve?) is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses and not a dealing with a real problem.

    Yeah, how dare Steve be more concerned about the well-being of his neighbors and fellow citizens, than some random third-worlder living 10,000 miles away.

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  46. @Mr. Anon
    "Much of the hysteria sweeping the fraction of the country that voted for Hillary Clinton originates in understandable Jewish worries about whether the rising tide of populist nationalism will be good for Jewish people."

    I don't think it is "understandable". I reject the notion that another people are entitled to some kind of summary veto power over my ethnic interests, or that my nationalism is guilty until proven innocent. I especially reject it coming from people who assiduously pursue their ethnic interests and their nationalism.

    I caught that also and had the same reaction as you. Very well said on your behalf. That word is the only flaw in Mr. Sailer’s article.

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  47. Not Aryan says:
    @inertial
    I believe the Flight From White is explained not so much by Jewish super-rationality but by the typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity. The chain of reasoning appears to be as follows:

    1. White supremacists are Nazis.

    2. White supremacists hate non-whites.

    3. Nazis hated Jews.

    4. Therefore, Jews are non-white.

    Nazis were white supremacists? I thought they were Aryan supremacists.

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  48. @anony-mouse
    Jews or Americans in general. The 1% are:

    Income of $32,400

    Net wealth (including real estate) of $770,000

    What's that phrase, 'Burkean prudence'? Doesn't that mean that Americans, espcecially White Americans should protect the status quo? That includes the status of Jews.

    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp

    What point do you think you’re making with this factoid?

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    Steve (Burkean prudence) Sailer says that Jews should be wary of changes since such changes may push them from their top position.

    But since American in general are on the top shouldn't all Americans be wary of changes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Philippe_II,_Duke_of_Orl%C3%A9ans

    as an example since we're talking about Burke.
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  49. American Jews have a lot of money, which in theory, can be extracted from them with words. Now they =do= divide into two camps…… we can summarize the constellation of manifestations of which, as: Hillary supporters, and Trump supporters.

    When people say “Jews”, they mean secular American Jews. Trump’s support amongst secular American Jews is probably about as low as his support amongst blacks.

    And the Jews with the money? That’s the secular Jews. The religious Jews (who overwhelmingly support Trump) sure don’t have any.

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  50. “But in periodicals not aimed at Jews, even in economics blogs, it can be like pulling teeth to get anybody to admit that there is anything at all interesting about 130 or more of the Forbes 400 belonging to one tiny ethnic group.”

    There was a Twitter meme kicking around (I paraphrase)

    White person drawing attention to Jewish over-representation – an antisemite.

    Jewish person drawing attention to white over-representation – a sociologist.

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  51. Lot says:
    @FX Enderby
    Jews are afraid because Trump bypassed the Jewish dominated media and reached enough voters to win the presidency. Jews exercise mass control by inverting morality - teaching Whites that the only real evil is racism (the worst kind is anti-Semitism), and that only Whites can be racist.
    But the Jewish morality narrative is not natural, it is in fact a fairly transparent power grab over gullible Whites. It is ultimately a con, and only sustainable when Jews can control every newspaper, TV network, major publisher etc. This is why Trump elicits such hysteria. Even one prominent goy pointing out that the emperor has no clothes terrifies the Jews,because they fear that their whole scam will unravel upon exposure. In reality, unfortunately, it probably won't. The Jews are resilient and will refine their strategies in the medium and long term. But it sure is nice to see them lose once in a while. They are so annoyingly arrogant. Thank heaven for Trump.

    Media domination is not really a thing anymore when one talented person can set up a website that in three years gets more hits than nearly every newspaper.

    People now have many dozens of full service news sites and to the extent they are dominated by Jews, it is because they are providing what the market wants.

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    I am sensitive, as you obviously are, to the fact that FX Enderby is talking in terms of intentions and motivations rather than outcomes and consequences. However, don't be obtuse. He's claiming hysteria is over new media causing a loss of domination, and you're replying that domination isn't a thing as evidenced by new media.
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  52. Elli says:

    Lakewood NJ, around 60% Jewish, mostly Haredim, went 75% for Trump.

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  53. @jimmyriddle
    Of course he is, if he delivers.

    Muslims + 2nd Ammendment is a disaster for all Americans and Jews in particular.

    Muslims + 2nd Ammendment is a disaster for all Americans and Jews in particular.

    Any situation – American Evangelicals = disaster for the Jews.

    No others love them at all.

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    Does any ethnic or religious group really love any other ethnic or religious group? Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it's a recent phenomenon. They weren't a major political force when most of the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe arrived in this country between 1880 and 1920 yet the Jewish immigrants survived.
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  54. Jack D says:
    @Randal
    Another very good piece. I've commented on it at Taki's, but I'll make the two points again here.

    First, I think this is a great examplar of the basic case against censorship, which is (per JS Mill) that once you ban the questioning of any "truth", you lose any possibility confidence in that "truth" being true. This kind of piece simply could not be published anywhere in the mainstream media in any of the societies of the US sphere ("the west"). And yet it addresses issues that desperately need to be addressed.

    Second, Sailer makes a very significant point about entirely understandable jewish fears that arguments about white privilege could come to be applied to jewish privilege, with potentially disastrous consequences for jews. He traces this concern back as far as 1975, but presumably it was generally recognised but not published a long time prior to that. He identifies the active social suppression of any expression of this view via media "influence" and credits this with defusing the point.

    However another key way in which this potential threat was defused was the endless belabouring of the Holocaust narrative, with its harrowing confirmation of jews as ultimate victims. It seems likely Sailer has put his finger on why this became so much more important in western media and popular culture so long after the war itself was over and the real political issues involved had become so irrelevant to real modern political life. The Holocaust has been raised to the status of a cultural idol, and any questioning of the related details of history made into a breach of the most dangerous taboo in western culture, subject to censorship, social and economic exclusion and even prosecution in many European countries, because it is a key defence against the most dangerous potential threat to jewish privilege.

    While I am opposed to European style censorship and fines for Holocaust denial, calling the gas chambers a mere “detail” of history is obviously tendentious. No one fair minded could call industrialized genocide a mere detail – it marked a fundamental turning point in European history. Le Pen must have had Orwell’s dictum in mind:“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” The Nazis did deep and lasting damage to European nationalism. Without Hitler, there is no Merkel. I don’t blame Le Pen from wanting to clean up his brand, but the way to do it is not by re-writing European history.

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    but the way to do it is

    What would be the correct way?
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  55. syonredux says:

    As this unfolds, you can expect to see massive retconning of history as the beneficiaries devise explanations of why they deserve to inherit racial preferences. For example, who can forget that chilling moment when Jefferson Davis discovered that his Confederate secretary of war, Judah P. Benjamin, was Jewish and immediately had him sold into slavery?

    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers of their cotton-trading money once they learned that they were Jews…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lehman

    And who can forget how the Cohen family in South Carolina were forced to abandon their plantations and flee the state once people learned that they were Jews….

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Perhaps most memorable of all was the moment when people finally figured out that pro-slavery Rabbi Morris Raphall was Jewish….

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

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    Really looking forward to hearing about how the Confederacy made sure that the Confederate flag would be insulting to Jewish sensibilities:

    The flag that Miles had favored when he was chairman of the "Committee on the Flag and Seal" eventually became the battle flag and, ultimately, the most popular flag of the Confederacy. According to historian John Coski, Miles' design was inspired by one of the many "secessionist flags" flown at the South Carolina secession convention in Charleston of December 1860. That flag was a blue St George's Cross (an upright or Latin cross) on a red field, with 15 white stars on the cross, representing the slaveholding states,[28][29] and, on the red field, palmetto and crescent symbols. Miles received a variety of feedback on this design, including a critique from Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion". Moise liked the design but asked that "the symbol of a particular religion not be made the symbol of the nation". Taking this into account, Miles changed his flag, removing the palmetto and crescent, and substituting a heraldic saltire ("X") for the upright cross.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
    , @iffen
    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers

    Those of us that read the comments here at Unz will have to start hearing about how dem Jews conceived and executed the Civil War for their own benefit and to the detriment of the US.
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  56. @Whiskey
    Steve, you are missing a major issue. Diminishing marginal returns, an Isteve obsession. Jews have done well, up to a point, with diversity etc. BUT, and this is a big BUT, mass Third World immigration is very, VERY bad for Jews. It brings in Muslims whose only objective is to kill Jews (and also Christians like poor Fr. Hamel during Mass). There is zero possibility of Jews even being allowed to keep what they have with more Third World Immigration.

    Look at likely DNC head Keith Ellison X. His views on Jews, Israel, etc. have provoked Haim Saban, another Isteve favorite, to declare his wallet closed to Dems. Indeed Donald Trump by pushing back on the tide of the Third World is the best thing for Jews in decades. Also homeowners, Whites in general, the Middle Class, etc.

    Those with the MOST to lose, i.e. middle class Whites making 50-75K voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. Trump has little downside for that group, also wealthy, influential Jews, and much upside -- lowering threats from stabby Somalis and vibrant Chechens, and desire eventually among non-Whites to simply take property (and other things) from the big targets.

    Jews have done well like old White ladies with graduate degrees and million dollar bank accounts (Hillary, Liawatha Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi etc) in riding the Third World Wave but that Wave is demanding its own leaders, not Whites. Jews are White. They can't change their skin color; Spike Lee's revenge is the purging of Whites (read: Jews) out of Hollywood in favor of "Diversity." Kathleen Kennedy, running Disney's Star Wars franchise, said she won't "cater" to White men, won't cast White men, won't have White men directors, and wants to eliminate White writers.

    The logical outcome of Hollywood's "Diversity" enthusiasm is an all-Black Hollywood where Jews have as much influence as in Nigeria's entertainment industry.

    Nonsense. Where anti-Semitism does not exist, Jews must create it. Anti-Semitism is good for the Jews – it enforces group cohesion and sustains the victim narrative which justifies endless Jewish greed and the flaunting of moral norms. An essential component of Jewish moral supremacism is the belief that the goyim are fundamentally wicked and out to get the Jews for no good reason. This gives Jews a free pass to cheat the goy and set themselves up as “above the law” in their own imagination.

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  57. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    As this unfolds, you can expect to see massive retconning of history as the beneficiaries devise explanations of why they deserve to inherit racial preferences. For example, who can forget that chilling moment when Jefferson Davis discovered that his Confederate secretary of war, Judah P. Benjamin, was Jewish and immediately had him sold into slavery?
     
    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers of their cotton-trading money once they learned that they were Jews.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lehman


    And who can forget how the Cohen family in South Carolina were forced to abandon their plantations and flee the state once people learned that they were Jews....


    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Perhaps most memorable of all was the moment when people finally figured out that pro-slavery Rabbi Morris Raphall was Jewish....


    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Really looking forward to hearing about how the Confederacy made sure that the Confederate flag would be insulting to Jewish sensibilities:

    The flag that Miles had favored when he was chairman of the “Committee on the Flag and Seal” eventually became the battle flag and, ultimately, the most popular flag of the Confederacy. According to historian John Coski, Miles’ design was inspired by one of the many “secessionist flags” flown at the South Carolina secession convention in Charleston of December 1860. That flag was a blue St George’s Cross (an upright or Latin cross) on a red field, with 15 white stars on the cross, representing the slaveholding states,[28][29] and, on the red field, palmetto and crescent symbols. Miles received a variety of feedback on this design, including a critique from Charles Moise, a self-described “Southerner of Jewish persuasion”. Moise liked the design but asked that “the symbol of a particular religion not be made the symbol of the nation”. Taking this into account, Miles changed his flag, removing the palmetto and crescent, and substituting a heraldic saltire (“X”) for the upright cross.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

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  58. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Is ‘Trump’ good for the Jews?

    What do we mean by ‘Trump’?

    There is Trump the man and ‘Trump’ the symbol and icon.

    Trump the man is pro-Zionist. He is anti-Iran. He is for better relations with Russia but this could a means to turn China into Yellow Peril Monster of the world, thus diverting American anger from globalist elites to the Chinese(along with Iranians, always the bad guys for some reason).

    But within the confines of American and Western politics, ‘Trump’ has come to represent the question, “Is it good for whites?” While GOP has been implicitly white, Trumpism made this all the more brazen, esp as Trump pandered mostly to the white working class and flirted with elements of the Alt Right that is explicitly pro-white.

    It is this aspect of ‘Trump’ that is most troubling to Jews. Is it dangerous for whites to ask “Is it good for whites?” in the way that Jews ask, “Is it good for Jews?”

    In a way, this shouldn’t be threatening to Jews. In a way, it could be.
    Also, it depends on what we mean by “Good for Jews?” Good for Jews in general or Good for Jewish Domination?

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    Most white gentiles have no animus toward Jews. Indeed, even anti-Jewish feelings among most of Alt Right could vanish IF Jews weren’t so anti-white. As Kevin Macdonald once said — and as Jared Taylor still wishes for — , he would love to have Jews on the side of whites. Macdonald gravitated to anti-Jewish stance because Jewish anti-white politics and rhetoric were relentless.

    So, given most whites are not anti-Jewish — and indeed are pro-Jewish — , what is good for whites would hardly be bad for Jews. Whites count as Jews as fellow whites, indeed as special whites. So, what is the problem?

    I think the problem is Jewish addiction to domination. Jews no longer just want to be part of white community like Italians or Irish or Poles. They want to rule over white community. Also, Jews fear excessive amity between whites and Jews because assimilation means weakening of Jewishness. Since religious identity is fading among Jews, identity for Jews revolves around history. And since Jews want to maintain some degree of separateness — even if mostly psychological — , they need to prop up the narrative of whites as past oppressors of Jews and potential future oppressors as well.
    Also, Jews know that Jewish power relies not only on Jewish Power but White Paralysis. Despite their wealth and influence, Jews are only 2% of the population. They could end up like the British elites of India if the gentile majority were to angrily rise up.
    If Jews were the solid majority of the US — as in Israel — , they need not worry so much about paralyzing the enemy with ‘white guilt’. After all, plenty of Arabs in Israel hate Zionists, but Jews don’t care since they have brute majority power over the Arabs. So, who cares what the Arabs think? Whether the Arab minority loves Jews or hates Jews, the Jewish majority has brute power over Israel.

    But because whites and other gentiles who comprise the great majority can overthrow Jewish power in the West if they really want to, Jews need to rely on the venom that paralyzes white power. And that is ‘white guilt’. Now, Jews distrust all gentile groups, but since whites are the biggest and most talented non-Jewish group in the US, Jews focus on paralyzing whites first and foremost. Since many venoms are more effective working in tandem, Jews encourage blacks, browns, yellows, Muslims, and etc to sting the white elephant too. So, the white elephant is stung with Holocaust guilt, slavery guilt, ‘Islamophobia’ guilt, Japanese Internment guilt, ‘cultural appropriation’ guilt, ‘homophobia’ guilt (even though white societies are most tolerant of homos), etc. And of course, a group is most weak when divided, and no division is as fatal as man vs woman. Jews have used feminism to make white women side with non-whites against ‘heteronormative white patriarchal males’. (Has anyone met a white male patriarch like Vito Corleone lately? I sure haven’t.) UVA rape hoax was really about driving a wedge between white men and white women.

    In a way, what Jews are doing is smart. It’s like what Michael says of Sal. Sallie was always smarter. And it’s a smart move, what Jews are doing. If Wasps, the big solid majority of Americans with great pride and prestige in having founded and built America, fell in grace and power so fast after WWII — the great triumph of Anglo-American power — , imagine what could happen to Jews who are only 2% of the population if they were to lose their eye on the ball? Jewish power could be over very quickly if white gentiles were to awaken to the nature of Jewish Agenda.

    This is why Jews are doubling down on ‘white privilege’ and white ‘racism’. But this has negative side-effects because (1) Jews are the most privileged ‘whites’ in America and (2) Israel is associated with ‘right-wing’ government close to GOP and the Palestinian issue that has become cause celebre among both the ‘left’ and the anti-Jewish ‘right’.
    Sometimes, the POC can’t tell white from Jew, or they see whites taking orders from Zionists. It’s like the scene in APOCALYPSE NOW where Willard asks, who is the commanding officer, and the Negro says, “Aint you?”
    So, when Jews say ‘whites are evil?’, lots of POC ask, ‘Aint you white?’

    Now, the question of whether Jews are white or not…

    If whites say Jews are not white, then it sounds like Nuremberg Laws that discriminated against Jews on the basis of their un-Aryan-ness. So, such would be ‘Nazi’.
    But if Jews are white, then it means they are part of the same race that produced the Nazis. And there are plenty on the ‘left’ that compare Zionists with Nazis.
    Also, there is ethno-white and ‘white bread’(usually wasp), and Camille Paglia plays on this dichotomy all the time. She is a strong loud brash Italian women at war with bloodless anemic vampiric Wasp feminists. Of course, many of these feminists are Jewish, but Paglia blames Wasp culture for having turned vital and colorful Jewish radicals into a bunch of humorless stalinists.

    But this ‘Jewish’ or ‘not Jewish’ game can be played in so many ways. Slavs can play it too. They can say Germans regarded Russians as ‘Asiatic hordes’ and marked them out for extermination, so Slavs are not really white and deserve affirmative action.
    A lot of Spaghetti Westerns often feature northern Europeans as gringos and darker Italians as Mexicans. An aspect of Italian Leftism was premised on Italians being closer to the Third World since they are swarthier than those light-skinned blonde Northern Europeans who often looked down on Italians, esp those in the South. No wonder BATTLE OF ALGIERS was made by an Italian director. Its dynamics isn’t much different from ROME: OPEN CITY.

    And Japanese like to see themselves as honorary whites during their imperialist phase and even after WWII as Japan was part of West whereas much of Asia was either communist or remained mired in Third World status. White or yellow?

    It’s like the game of “Are Brits part of Europe or not?” Plenty of Brits and Continental Europeans will say Britain is not part of Europe, either as praise or insult.

    But then, are mulattos really black? Are mestizos white or indigenous? Or Latin American whites different from American whites? There is no end to this. It all depends on who controls the Narrative and Symbols and to what purpose.

    Anyway, anti-Jewish elements among white folks will have no problem with Jews not identifying as white. It will just make it easier for anti-Jewish forces to identify Jewish Power and Privilege since it is non-white. It will clear up the air between whites with pitchforks and Jews with poison pens.

    Also, non-whiteness isn’t necessarily a protection against hostility and scrutiny.
    PC isn’t necessarily anti-white in favor of non-whiteness. After all, there is no protection for Muslims(esp Iranians) and Chinese, as the Trump regime plans to target China as the Big Bad Wolf for all problems. Sure, there is some noise about ‘Islamophobia’, but this has less to do with love for Muslims than PC hatred for whites. Because PC is anti-white, it will knee-jerkly side with anything that is attacked by white conservatives. Since whites attack Muslims, the ‘left’ sides with Muslims(for now). But there is no real love for Muslims in the way that there is real love for Jews, blacks, and homos. The narrative says we have to love Jews as Jews, blacks as blacks, and Homos as homos. It doesn’t say we have to love Muslims as Muslims or Chinese as Chinese.
    We may show affection for them if and only if they are targets of white or ‘rightist’ ire.
    But the fact that so many Americans can bash Muslims or China is proof that PC is not equal. The kinds of things Trump and his supporters have said about Muslims or China(and Mexicans to some extent) would not be permissible for Jews, homos, and blacks(despite the fact that blacks are the champion rapists compared to Mexicans). Notice how problems in EU are caused by Muslims and Africans, but anti-invasion voices only focus on Muslims and remain shhhh about blacks. And they are also silent about the fact that Jewish elites are pushing this mass invasion, not least by pulling the puppet strings of media and governments.

    Trump and his minions can dump on China. Trump can even threaten war on Iran. He can call on ban on Muslims. None of that got in the way of his eventual victory.
    Indeed, the Jewish elites never defend Muslims as Muslims in the way that Jews are defended as Jews. Muslims are useful ONLY TO THE EXTENT that they, at least in the West, can be used as ‘victims’ of white ‘xenophobia’. Muslims have no value otherwise. Meanwhile, another sector of Jewish Power invokes any number of reasons to keep destroying the Arab/Muslim world through invasions, drone strikes, proxy wars, and sanctions.

    Currently, because most whites are not anti-Jewish, the question “Is it good for whites?” cannot be anti-Jewish. Most whites want to work with Jews, admire Jews, marry with Jews, be friends with Jews, etc. Most whites will think “what is good for whites will be good for Jews since Jews are white too.”

    But the question can threaten Jewish Supremacism even if whites are not anti-Jewish. After all, even though what is good for whites is good for Jews if Jews are white, it may not be good for Jewish supremacism, which is the sacrifice of white interests of narrow Jewish interests. So, the Question is implicitly threatening to Jewish supremacism since to ask, “Is it good for whites?” must apply to all whites than just favor a small minority group within the broader white community.
    But this goes for all white ethnic groups. What is good for whites as a whole must not favor Irish Americans, Serbian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Croatian-Americans, or Swedish-Americans. While each ethnic group can be mindful of its own identity and interests — a good thing — , no group should say “All of you must do things that hurt your ethnic interests to boost OUR narrow ethnic interest.” That would be supremacism. Suppose lowlife Greek Americans said Greek mothers should have special privilege to have schools favor their dumbass kids over all the other white ethnic groups. That would be really lowdown. That would be Greek supremacism.

    The odd thing about Jews is they least need special favors and privilege for success since they do have smarts and talent. Unlike dumb southern Italians who relied on nepotism and corruption to get ahead, most Jews did rise through meritocracy. The problem, however, is enough is never enough for Jews. It’s like Jordan Belfort in WOLF OF WALL STREET. No sense of limits. This is why Jews need God to watch over them. Without God, their egos act like Anthony Wiener’s pud and never know when to stop. It’s like the Jewish kid in RISKY BUSINESS insisting upon Joel that his cousin Reuben from Skokie got to have some action very soon. They wan’t Portnoy’s Empire.

    But what may truly be threatening to Jewish Power is that the question “Is it good for whites?” might take on an anti-Jewish tinge, and we see this on the Alt Right. Many on the Alt Right have pretty much given on Jewish good faith. They just hear Tim Wise’s invective about whites. They remember Newsweek covers attacking whiteness. They see colleges blaming whites for everything. They can’t stomach UVA hoaxes that are about as anti-white as Nazism was anti-Jewish. Just vile stuff.

    And if this strain of anti-Jewishness comes to define “What is good for whites?”, white politics and Jewish politics will be enemies.

    Jews lost a golden opportunity after WWII. White folks really did feel sorry about the Holocaust and had no ill will toward Jews. Jews and whites could have gotten along just fine. But Jewish paranoia made things worse and worse just when, as Steven Pinker said, things were getting better and better.
    Pinker’s dream is lost in the EU because of massive invasions. Third World peoples will turn the First World into Third World. Dark clouds are hanging over Europe.

    In all my life, I almost never heard anti-Jewish stuff from white folks. If anything, when I sort of half-heartedly defended Palestinians in the 80s, a whole bunch of whites denounced me as lover of ‘terrorists’. Even the most right-wing tard I knew in the 90s was like that John Goodman character in BIG LEBOWSKI. And on facebook, the moron is still like that. Everywhere, all I heard is Jews are good, Jews are holy, Jews are great.
    But I think things really began to change during the Obama Era and Homo era, especially as so many Jewish voices ripped off their mask and gloated about how it’s been their agenda all long to destroy whitey.

    And if Trump had lost, I think the anti-white gloating would have 100x what it was in 2008 and 2012. Their victory hate would be as deranged as their defeat hate.

    Who knows where Alt Right will go, but a genuine rift has opened up between whites and Jews that hadn’t existed before.

    And this is why Jews are sensitive about Putin. Putin, like Trump, isn’t anti-Jewish but this question, “Is it good for Russians?” is a broader question that takes all Russians into account, not just Russian Jews. Jews, with their Chosen mentality, cannot abide by that. All other interests must be sacrificed to serve Jewish interests.

    Jews in America are used to being favored over other groups, especially white gentiles.
    Jews may seek ‘flight from white’ to escape the stain of ‘white privilege’, but paradoxically enough, it is to serve Jewish supremacism. It certainly isn’t a wish on the part of Jews to be equal with everyone else.
    I mean why would Jews want equality and parity with other groups? If all groups were equal, Jews would own only 2% of wealth, make up 2% of Ivy League, own 2% of media, own 2% of NBA teams, run 2% of Hollywood, manage 2% of Wall Street, have 2% stake in Las Vegas, etc. Would Jews really want that kind of ‘social justice’?

    Invoking equality to maintain supremacy cannot go on forever.

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    "Unlike dumb southern Italians who relied on nepotism and corruption to get ahead, most Jews did rise through meritocracy. " Are you sure? No ethnic nepotism among Jews?
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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.

    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily “piling on” to the “Flight from White,” is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can’t help being tendentious on this point. He can’t bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn’t want to poke the alt-right hornet’s nest, and thus he can’t point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?” When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they’re not white is among the tamest things they’re harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

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    No writer (as far as I know) has yet encapsulated the perpetual motion machine comprised by leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other. To highlight one without the other paints a distorted picture.
    , @Anonymous

    he can’t point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media
     
    That sounds like nonsense. The SPLC and the ADL already have white nationalism covered. It's being driven by the BDS movement that's popular with pro-Palestine BLM and all the other minority causes Jews back.

    I've seen Jews suddenly finding themselves ostracized from the social justice causes they're knee-deep in kvetching about how the minorities aren't respecting their Holocaust victimhood. They want minority status because they're looking like extra-privileged whites who oppress Muslim PoC.

    I think there's been a few Sailer posts on this.


    5 days ago - The Senate has cleared a bill aimed at bolstering the Department of Education's ability to investigate anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses.
     
    Commonly paraphrased as an anti-BDS bill.
    , @Yak-15
    The annoying and detrimental SJW tendencies of some Jews predates the alt-right by many decades. Most alt-right do not attack Jews for being Jewish. They attack them for being hypocrites who speak about privilege when the same arguments can be used against those Jews to mark them as the most privileged.

    The Jews are mostly great and I appreciate them. But the whinny social activism by some can be taken down a notch.
    , @Anonymous
    Some serious mental gymnastics at wotk here.
    , @Opinionator
    Do you have a White History Month?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8mUia75k8
    , @Mr. Anon
    "“Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?”"

    That is ridiculous and non-causal. Practically nobody had even heard of the "Alt-Right" a year ago. They were virtually unknown to the mainstream media. If they had heard of them then, then everyone would have heard of them, seeing as they control the megaphone. The "flight from white" has been going on for some time - long before there even was such a thing as a self-identified "alt-right".

    , @Mikey Darmody
    The Jews started referring to themselves as the Chosen People after the Alt Right picked on them? I did not know that!
    , @guest
    By the way, Jews don't care about alt-right keyboard Nazis. Please. That's their bread and butter.

    They care about losing the Diversity Sweepstakes. That's what this is all about. They've painted themselves into the HMIC (head minority in charge) corner, and can't get out. One escape hatch would be if they could run white people, which is part of what they were doing with neoconservatism. Trump makes that less likely, therefore he's Hitler.

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  60. syonredux says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Note the disparate media treatment of Trump’s two Steves.
     
    I'd put Jared Kushner in this picture with the two Steves.


    Another little thing: The workin-class irish-american backgroud of Steve Bannon is just too much for the German media, as far as I could see. He comes across as simply rude, rich, cynic - and very dangerous (anti-semitic!).

    Note the disparate media treatment of Trump’s two Steves.

    I’d put Jared Kushner in this picture with the two Steves.

    Poor Jared. Seems that some of his co-ethnics aren’t enthusiastic about him:

    Dear Mr. Kushner,

    My name is Dana Schwartz and I’m an entertainment writer at the Observer, the paper owned by your publishing company. On July 2, as I’m sure you’re aware (and have probably been wringing your hands about for the last three days), your father-in-law Donald Trump tweeted out an image of Hillary Clinton in front of raining money with a six-sided star declaring she’s the “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!”

    http://observer.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-jared-kushner-from-one-of-your-jewish-employees/

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  61. @Tim Howells
    Whoa! Slow down there! "The people on top"!?! Don't you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

    Yeah, Rick got locked up for fighting against his rulers. They think they own the galaxy. Rick disagrees.

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  62. neon2 says:
    @candid_observer
    One wonders what "good for the Jews" might even mean these days.

    Some decades ago it might have had a clear meaning: good for Israel, which Jews overwhelmingly supported.

    But my strong impression is that among younger Jews -- of which there are increasingly fewer -- who very much incline left, Israel is something resembling an embarrassment. It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.

    A great deal of the war being fought for Israel in American public opinion is being directed by men of such great age that it seems remarkable that they are still alive, much less active. What is going to remain of specifically Jewish interests when these dinosaurs finally collapse into the tar pits?

    By outmarriage Jews are now simply blending into the elite class. Their interests will be completely indistinguishable from those of that larger class.

    Trump has just been elected to reverse this process. As I wrote in another thread on November 30, the Orthodox Jews are now at war with their secularist cousins, and they are finally winning.
    The Jews of Israel (the religious ones) are thrilled with Trump’s victory and are hardly unaware, not only that his son-in-law is Orthodox, but that his daughter converted to Judaism before marrying him.
    The Orthodox understand the threat from Islam and are willing (perhaps only for the time being) to unite with Christians to bring this beast down. That they will have to defeat their cousins in Hollywood and the MSM is now being actively taken into account.
    The struggle, although deadly serious and important for us as much as for them, will nevertheless be fun to watch unfold.

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    And also the Orthodox are very much into Putin.
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  63. You have probably been wringing your hands about for the last three days…

    Wtf? These people are sick.

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  64. IHTG says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Well, Jews don't have much of a history of noblesse oblige for any group but their own, which is understandable. They show sympathy at times but never to the point that it hurts business or tribe.

    Also, let's face it, the last group on the planet that they'd show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe - with some justification, mind you - once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth - and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    No, the question of whether Jews will let up on whites comes down to one thing: Do Jews believe that they can "pass" for non-white?

    If they believe that they can be seen by blacks, Hispanics and Asians as just another non-white group, Jews will continue their war on whites. However, if they start noticing that those other groups simply won't accept them as anything other than just another form of whites, Jews will quickly change the narrative.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know. I'm just a stupid goy.

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles

    Er. I’m not sure how aware the alt-right is that “gentiles” isn’t a synonym for “white European”.

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    Er. I'm not sure how aware you are that when adults of reasonable intelligence have discussions, we understand that some things are understood and agreed upon and thus we don't need to spell out every little detail as though we're speaking some douchebag lawyer or SJW.

    Here's a few other things that we understand but don't have spell out every time we comment:

    1. Americans blacks aren't 100% African. The vast majority are slightly European and, at times, Native American
    2. White is a very general term for many European ethnicities, such as English, Irish, German, Italian, etc.
    3. Hispanic doesn't refer to a race but a geographic designation and can encompass people from vastly different racial backgrounds, including African, European and Native American. However, unless using Steve's Conquistador American, we're usually talking about short, squat mestizo types from Mexico and Central America.

    I could on for hours, but you get the point. Actually, you probably don't, but it's still obvious.
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  65. Langley says:

    “You’ll never work in this town again.”

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  66. anon says: • Disclaimer

    If I were to hazard a guess about the jews in general, I would say white folks are the jews’ “canary in the coal mine.”

    Jews should be particularly concerned about that canary. Without white protection, jews will be gone. WWII has proven that when white folks aren’t around to protect the jews, or stop caring about the jews, jews tend to start disappearing en masse, and relatively quickly.

    Near as I can figure, the jews have the reverse problem of blacks. The poorest idiot blacks taint the reputation of functional, contributing blacks, while the richest idiot jews actions taint the rep of functional contributing jews.

    In any case, London is so far gone at this point, it should serve as a petri dish for jewish existence. If I were jewish, I wouldn’t be looking to buy a flat in east London. That’s been turned into a jewish “no go zone.”

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    In pre-WWII Germany and Eastern Europe, almost no one cared for the Jews and a significant proportion of the population actively disliked them. Yet pogroms and extermination camps weren't constant occurrences. What changed in Germany during the Nazi period and in Eastern Europe after the Germans invaded was that the Nazis actively agitated against Jews (to include stirring up Jew haters in occupied countries) and withdrew basic government protection. That plus bringing German organizational skill to the management of mass deportations and industrial technique to murder was what allowed the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    There's always Israel.

    Of course, us poor whites don't have our own Israel, so we're kind of fucked.
    , @Opinionator
    Without white protection, jews will be gone.

    Jews have thrived and formed an upper caste in the MENA and Latin America.
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  67. syonredux says:

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White. The Atlantic is currently asking “Are Jews White?” The Obama Administration appears to be close to declaring Israelis to be eligible for the benefits of nonwhiteness as it concocts a Middle Eastern North African census category.

    Looking forward to the moment when Bar Refaeli is officially declared a Woman of Color

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    That category already includes the likes of MGM's former child star, Margaret O'Brien, and the late Columbia Pictures "Love Goddess," Rita Hayworth.
    , @syonredux

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White.
     
    Yep. Elite Jewish strategy in a nutshell:


    Stick: Put the hammer down.Make sure that POC know that there is no percentage in going after Israel/the Jews.Do that, and , well, watch the grant/donation money dry up, no more invitations to fancy conferences, no jobs at foundations/universities/think tanks , etc

    Carrot: But, hey, if you want to organize pro-Gay rights boycotts against Russia, campaign for legalization of illegal aliens in the USA/Europe (definitely not Israel), etc, here’s a fat wad of cash.



    And make sure that everyone knows that WASPs/Christian Europeans are the real enemy.And that Jews have been/always will be the biggest victim in history.So, remember, just because people like the Pritzker family look White, they’re only kinda-sorta White.I mean, come on, their grandfather (or maybe it’s their great-grandfather) couldn’t even get into the Porcellian!
    , @Jack D
    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American, "Middle Eastern", like "Latino" , is a geographic designation, not a racial category. Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino. Also keep in mind also that some genuine, not recently arrived from Minsk, Middle Easterners are "white". Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.
    , @Perspective
    Canada currently has minority classifications based on both nationality and geographic location. Though Bar Refaeli would not be able to check the Arab/West Asian box because one has to be "non white in skin colour and/or non-Caucasian" to be a visible minority. Similarly a White Latino could not, in theory, check the Latin American box as they would be White. Perhaps the US census should put this disclaimer in, while keeping affirmative action limited to direct black slave descendants and American Indians. Even though my preference would be for no AA at all.
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  68. Anonym says:
    @Tim Howells
    Whoa! Slow down there! "The people on top"!?! Don't you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

    Rick Sanchez didn’t earn his living panhandling from a legion of online donors. How are they going to destroy Steve’s career exactly? If anything, maybe a freelance gig or two at Breitbart or similar is on the cards.

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  69. iffen says:
    @syonredux

    As this unfolds, you can expect to see massive retconning of history as the beneficiaries devise explanations of why they deserve to inherit racial preferences. For example, who can forget that chilling moment when Jefferson Davis discovered that his Confederate secretary of war, Judah P. Benjamin, was Jewish and immediately had him sold into slavery?
     
    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers of their cotton-trading money once they learned that they were Jews.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lehman


    And who can forget how the Cohen family in South Carolina were forced to abandon their plantations and flee the state once people learned that they were Jews....


    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Perhaps most memorable of all was the moment when people finally figured out that pro-slavery Rabbi Morris Raphall was Jewish....


    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers

    Those of us that read the comments here at Unz will have to start hearing about how dem Jews conceived and executed the Civil War for their own benefit and to the detriment of the US.

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    Those of us that read the comments here at Unz will have to start hearing about how dem Jews conceived and executed the Civil War for their own benefit and to the detriment of the US.
     
    God, yes. I've already read drivel about how the Jews were behind the French Revolution.....

    Talking about Jews is difficult, seeing as how you have to negotiate a path between apologists (Jews are eternal victims) and lunatics (Jews are the organizers of" half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected" ).
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  70. Since Jews are too often their own worst enemy, it can be said that Trump is very good for the Jews.

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  71. iffen says:
    @Jack D
    While I am opposed to European style censorship and fines for Holocaust denial, calling the gas chambers a mere "detail" of history is obviously tendentious. No one fair minded could call industrialized genocide a mere detail - it marked a fundamental turning point in European history. Le Pen must have had Orwell's dictum in mind:“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” The Nazis did deep and lasting damage to European nationalism. Without Hitler, there is no Merkel. I don't blame Le Pen from wanting to clean up his brand, but the way to do it is not by re-writing European history.

    but the way to do it is

    What would be the correct way?

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  72. iffen says:
    @Randal
    Another very good piece. I've commented on it at Taki's, but I'll make the two points again here.

    First, I think this is a great examplar of the basic case against censorship, which is (per JS Mill) that once you ban the questioning of any "truth", you lose any possibility confidence in that "truth" being true. This kind of piece simply could not be published anywhere in the mainstream media in any of the societies of the US sphere ("the west"). And yet it addresses issues that desperately need to be addressed.

    Second, Sailer makes a very significant point about entirely understandable jewish fears that arguments about white privilege could come to be applied to jewish privilege, with potentially disastrous consequences for jews. He traces this concern back as far as 1975, but presumably it was generally recognised but not published a long time prior to that. He identifies the active social suppression of any expression of this view via media "influence" and credits this with defusing the point.

    However another key way in which this potential threat was defused was the endless belabouring of the Holocaust narrative, with its harrowing confirmation of jews as ultimate victims. It seems likely Sailer has put his finger on why this became so much more important in western media and popular culture so long after the war itself was over and the real political issues involved had become so irrelevant to real modern political life. The Holocaust has been raised to the status of a cultural idol, and any questioning of the related details of history made into a breach of the most dangerous taboo in western culture, subject to censorship, social and economic exclusion and even prosecution in many European countries, because it is a key defence against the most dangerous potential threat to jewish privilege.

    irrelevant to real modern political life

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
    Hence so much effort on the part of Nazis to deny and revise.

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    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.

    Where, exactly, do you expect to see Nationalsozialismus become a major political movement?

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  73. JohnnyD says:

    Another problem is that most Jews can afford to move away from highly diverse and “vibrant” parts of the country. It’s much easier to champion diversity and multi-multiculturalism when you’re insulated from its negative consequences (hence, Paul Krugman’s absurd argument that everything’s great in America because he can go for a jog in his upscale New York neighborhood). Stephen Miller would have probably been another Jewish liberal if he didn’t go to public school in Southern California.

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    There are fewer and fewer places to move to. And if demand for the limited number of homogeneous upscale enclaves doubles, home prices will double pricing out many people who want to flee there.

    Stephen Miller attended school in Santa Monica on the wealthy west side of Los Angeles and right on the coast. Not many ordinary middle class people can afford to live in Santa Monica. If Santa Monica has diversity issues, then few places on the coasts can escape them.
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  74. Chuck says:

    Literally Hitler: Is it good for gentiles?

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  75. Anonym says:
    @Karl
    American Jews have a lot of money, which in theory, can be extracted from them with words. Now they =do= divide into two camps...... we can summarize the constellation of manifestations of which, as: Hillary supporters, and Trump supporters.

    The ones who MAKE THINGS HAPPEN are in the latter camp. The big problem with those folks is..... in practice, you cannot get them to write you a check by scaring them them with cootie-encrusted boogymen. They're too busy saving (say for example) Constitutional Carry in the USA - any resources left over, are spent on saving (say for example) IDF Lone Soldiers

    So if you were an enterprising Pro Jew, you'd probably focus on the Hillary supporters - ie, the ones who WATCH things happen and kvetch about it. They will buy tickets to your lectures at the 92nd Street Y, they will send checks to your SPLC. Get yourself a degree in Sociology; you can harvest a few bucks off of them.

    Now if you were a truly smart Pro Jew, you'd make note that the former group is breeding itself out of existence generation by generation. But..... how do they say it..... "apres moi le deluge!"

    iSteve is loyal to his own tribe, and has chosen to cater to his own guys - and he is uniquely talented at doing that. The problem is.... they are Joe Sixpack White Guys with not all THAT much extra money to throw around. That's why his wife waited 8 years to get a new kitchen.

    iSteve does ==talk about== the Jews a lot, in a quasi-nice way. Which translates into SOME money. Which puts him head & shoulders above everyone else here. Were that I was a fly on the wall, counting how many decades it will take for Mrs Linh Dinh get a new kitchen.

    There will be a newly refurbished Vietnamese kitchen at the Unit 8200 Research Laboratory, before Mrs L.D gets one

    Now if you were a truly smart Pro Jew, you’d make note that the former group is breeding itself out of existence generation by generation.

    I’d love to see the outmarriage rates before and after Dirty Dancing. Young Jewess falls for prospectless but noble and attractive goy dance instructor. It’s the sort of movie that could have been written by a raving anti-Semite, but one who was crafty enough to want to splice the Jewish bloodline with his own.

    Instead it was probably written by a PC kool-aid drinking Jew. Actually it is a work based on the early experiences of a Jewess who later married a Jew.

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  76. D. K. says:
    @syonredux

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White. The Atlantic is currently asking “Are Jews White?” The Obama Administration appears to be close to declaring Israelis to be eligible for the benefits of nonwhiteness as it concocts a Middle Eastern North African census category.

     

    Looking forward to the moment when Bar Refaeli is officially declared a Woman of Color


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mtPS6BsJU

    That category already includes the likes of MGM’s former child star, Margaret O’Brien, and the late Columbia Pictures “Love Goddess,” Rita Hayworth.

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  77. MarcB says:

    “it’s reasonable for Jews to feel uneasy about Donald Trump’s promises to bring change to a global system under which, whatever its failings, Jews have prospered more than any other ethnic group”.

    My summation of Jewish power and influence is that they support the -isms that increase it. Any political/economic structure that allows a proportionally small, yet influential minority attain power well above their percentage within the population gets the thumbs up. While the politburos intrinsic to communism/socialism allow this nationally, globalism does this internationally, by diluting the power of individual nations by transferring the self-determination of their citizenry to international federations, organizations and treaties.

    And I’m not saying Jews do this as some shadowy cabal, at least not the vast majority. They tend to gravitate to systems as both a hive-mind with the policies promoted within their community, and individually because they make logical sense. Undermining systems (democratic republics) that depend on strength in numbers by implementing technocracies administrated by a cognitive elite work in their favor, and that is why they support them.

    Any move away from this progression is met with apoplectic rage. This rage is behind the antagonism towards Trump in the US and his fellow travelers in Europe. Claims that they are fascistic racists are used to “Isolate – Ridicule – Marginalize.” Jews are resourceful enough to prosper in almost any system, and when they fight so hard against nationalism it makes them appear disloyal to the host nation in which they currently reside.

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  78. donut says:

    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don’t mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it’s profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

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    The nut part is the essential, right?
    , @Anon
    Most Jews alive today are descended from ancient merchants or rabbis, and because these two classes of people had the most financially stable and/or successful professions in Jewish peasant communities, they were able to raise more children than men who chose other professions throughout the centuries. Their genes dominate nearly all modern Jewish bloodlines.

    Both these classes of people make a living by flapping their jaws. They are monetarily and psychologically dependent on having an audience. Jews don't farm because when you're out there on the north 40 with a plow, there's no one around to listen to you pontificate, and this is extremely distressing to them. If you didn't like having an audience, you wouldn't have chosen to be a rabbi or a merchant in the first place. This is how the 'needs-attention' gene got passed on and became widespread throughout the Jewish community. The vast majority of Jews cannot bear being alone, or not talking to someone. That's why they congregate in cities.
    , @utu
    Farming except for the tax framing was never a Jewish thing. There is more money in being a trader, a middle man. Besides how can you be a farmer if you are not permitted to work and attend the life stock on Sabbath? You always had to have Shabbos goys. Jewish civilization is impossible, is not self sufficient without the presence of the other, goy servant class. Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon's socialist project of communal farming but it did not last. Now kibbutzes use migrant workers from Thailand... Jewish contempt for middle America, for fly over country is the same contempt they always felt for native peasants on which the preyed like by engaging in tax farming and liquor selling in Poland.
    , @Jack D
    There was a fairly large community of Jewish chicken (actually egg) farmers in NJ after WWII. Baron de Hirsch tried to start a Jewish agricultural colony in Argentina. In both cases, it was a 1 generation thing - the sons of the farmers all became lawyers & podiatrists & pharmacists, etc.
    , @BRF
    Jewish Farmer.
    Joel Salatin? entertaining writer and farmer from Virginia.

    https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Want-Do-Illegal-Stories/dp/0963810952

    , @ben tillman

    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ?
     
    Max Yasgur.
    , @donut
    Is the answer no then ?
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  79. @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too.

    Okay, back to reality.

    If Jews are 2% of the population and 1/3 of the folks in the top 1%, then, by definition, they are overrepresented by a factor of 16, or if you prefer more drama, Jews are 1600% more likely than other whites to be in the top 1%. I don’t begrudge them success. They were after all the ones who were smart enough to come to the US rather than wait around to get roasted. Also, I probably benefit a lot because of the tech and medicine etc., to which some have contributed. So, great, they are here and they are contributing and are successful. That is swell. However, like their non-Jewish counterparts, those who happen to be in media or value transference, SJW’s etc., really don’t make life better. So, I am not going to pretend that they do. I don’t necessarily think the nutty New York and San Francisco style liberalism is due mostly to Jews, but that crowd does have a fair amount of vocal Jews. So, again they are over represented and like their non-Jewish counterparts, they are annoying.

    Thanks to evangelical Christians, the USA is more friendly to Jews than any place else including Israel which is full of hostile Palestinians.

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  80. Joe Walker says: • Website

    Maybe the question we should be asking is have things been too good for the Jews?

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  81. @candid_observer
    One wonders what "good for the Jews" might even mean these days.

    Some decades ago it might have had a clear meaning: good for Israel, which Jews overwhelmingly supported.

    But my strong impression is that among younger Jews -- of which there are increasingly fewer -- who very much incline left, Israel is something resembling an embarrassment. It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.

    A great deal of the war being fought for Israel in American public opinion is being directed by men of such great age that it seems remarkable that they are still alive, much less active. What is going to remain of specifically Jewish interests when these dinosaurs finally collapse into the tar pits?

    By outmarriage Jews are now simply blending into the elite class. Their interests will be completely indistinguishable from those of that larger class.

    It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.

    Virtue to whom?

    Not minorities. They are not interested in virtue. They prefer cash.

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  82. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White. The Atlantic is currently asking “Are Jews White?” The Obama Administration appears to be close to declaring Israelis to be eligible for the benefits of nonwhiteness as it concocts a Middle Eastern North African census category.

     

    Looking forward to the moment when Bar Refaeli is officially declared a Woman of Color


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mtPS6BsJU

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White.

    Yep. Elite Jewish strategy in a nutshell:

    Stick: Put the hammer down.Make sure that POC know that there is no percentage in going after Israel/the Jews.Do that, and , well, watch the grant/donation money dry up, no more invitations to fancy conferences, no jobs at foundations/universities/think tanks , etc

    Carrot: But, hey, if you want to organize pro-Gay rights boycotts against Russia, campaign for legalization of illegal aliens in the USA/Europe (definitely not Israel), etc, here’s a fat wad of cash.

    And make sure that everyone knows that WASPs/Christian Europeans are the real enemy.And that Jews have been/always will be the biggest victim in history.So, remember, just because people like the Pritzker family look White, they’re only kinda-sorta White.I mean, come on, their grandfather (or maybe it’s their great-grandfather) couldn’t even get into the Porcellian!

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  83. neutral says:

    Is Trump good for whites ?

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    Is Trump good for whites ?

    He was better for whites than every single other nominee, Republican or Democrat or Green or Libertarian or Egg McMuffin and there were many.

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  84. Neoconned says:
    @Tim Howells
    Whoa! Slow down there! "The people on top"!?! Don't you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

    “Heavy lies the crown…..”

    Sanchez was one of the most bland commentators out there & had as borish, CSPAN type demeanor and his positions were painfully neutral & moderate and yet look how he was crucified…..no pun intended…..

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  85. Anonym says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Much of the hysteria sweeping the fraction of the country that voted for Hillary Clinton originates in understandable Jewish worries about whether the rising tide of populist nationalism will be good for Jewish people."

    I don't think it is "understandable". I reject the notion that another people are entitled to some kind of summary veto power over my ethnic interests, or that my nationalism is guilty until proven innocent. I especially reject it coming from people who assiduously pursue their ethnic interests and their nationalism.

    I don’t think it is “understandable”. I reject the notion that another people are entitled to some kind of summary veto power over my ethnic interests, or that my nationalism is guilty until proven innocent. I especially reject it coming from people who assiduously pursue their ethnic interests and their nationalism.

    I agree with everything you have written except that it is not “understandable”. Jewish concern over populist nationalism is natural from a couple different perspectives. One, the possibility of losing control or strong influence. When you are at the top of the tree, the status quo is a nice place to be.

    The second concern is over rising anti-Semitism. KMac brings up good points, but IIRC he is not prescriptive in his approach to the JQ. Knowledge of that information naturally provokes resentment and anger. It takes a fairly big person to emerge from that head space and note that Jews are not monolithic and that we have a not insignificant number of Jews or early order mischlinge on our side. Some are actually doing constructive things. For example, Stephen Miller.

    Nevertheless and irrespective of how we arrived at this point, from the perspective of the average Jew, rising anti-Semitism can lead to pogroms, and this is understandable as what has happened before can happen again. Jewry at large has (regrettably) taken a “fix it when it breaks” approach to AS rather than a preventative type of approach that would have been more sustainable. But anyway, it is good to see the occasional Miller when one mostly sees the likes of Soros.

    One should also remember that it is most probably in our own interest to moderate the AS. It took a lot of work to get the UK and USA to come in or remain on the Jewish side of WWII, but they did – and despite the brilliance of Hitler and the immense human capital of Germany, the Germans eventually got their asses kicked. Nukes were invented by Jews, in response to Hitler. Those who would promote violent AS should be careful what they wish for. And they should also realize that the victors had some magnanimity – the Morgenthau plan was not implemented.

    A good portion of what I wrote is not aimed at your comment, but I thought it worth expressing.

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  86. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Whites should also seek flight from white.

    They should go with EUROPEAN.

    If blacks are AFRICAN-Americans, then whites should be EUROPEAN-Americans.

    And white Hispanics should count as EUROPEAN-Americans too. No more hiding behind POC label.

    If blacks are not black, if yellows are not yellow, if browns are not brown, then whites are not white.

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    Good point. We should go with EUROPEAN-American label.
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  87. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White. The Atlantic is currently asking “Are Jews White?” The Obama Administration appears to be close to declaring Israelis to be eligible for the benefits of nonwhiteness as it concocts a Middle Eastern North African census category.

     

    Looking forward to the moment when Bar Refaeli is officially declared a Woman of Color


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mtPS6BsJU

    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American, “Middle Eastern”, like “Latino” , is a geographic designation, not a racial category. Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino. Also keep in mind also that some genuine, not recently arrived from Minsk, Middle Easterners are “white”. Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

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    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American,
     
    Same kind of thing. The flight from White goes East.

    “Middle Eastern”, like “Latino” , is a geographic designation, not a racial category.
     
    Yes, I know what it actually means. But I also know how it is being used. White people want the protection that comes with being POC. Hence, the racialized status of ethno-linguistic categories like Latino/Hispanic/Latinx and Middle Eastern.

    Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino.
     
    Interesting to note how some SJW-types complained about a White woman (Giselle) embodying "The Girl from Ipanema" at the Rio Olympics opening ceremonies. Of course, the original Girl was also White:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helo%C3%ADsa_Pinheiro

    Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

     

    I love bringing up Bashar Assad when SJWs complain about Europeans being cast as Middle Easterners in films.
    , @Jefferson
    "Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is."

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?

    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.
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  88. Anonym says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Well, Jews don't have much of a history of noblesse oblige for any group but their own, which is understandable. They show sympathy at times but never to the point that it hurts business or tribe.

    Also, let's face it, the last group on the planet that they'd show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe - with some justification, mind you - once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth - and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    No, the question of whether Jews will let up on whites comes down to one thing: Do Jews believe that they can "pass" for non-white?

    If they believe that they can be seen by blacks, Hispanics and Asians as just another non-white group, Jews will continue their war on whites. However, if they start noticing that those other groups simply won't accept them as anything other than just another form of whites, Jews will quickly change the narrative.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know. I'm just a stupid goy.

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    They damn well do owe a debt of gratitude to the Anglosphere for fighting on their behalf in WWII. And Russia for that matter, but especially the Anglosphere because there has been no tangible AS in the interim. Frankly, I personally know of some Jews who have seen it like this and have attempted to actually repay the favor. Unfortunately others, and influential ones, have not.

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    How have they repaid the favor?
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  89. @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    Leo Frank was probably guilty of that girl’s death. He has remained a fixation of the America-based Jewish community despite being mostly forgotten by the American people. To his coethnics, his case is representative of the Jewish experience in the South. I see no evidence that anyone considered Jews with murderous intent for most of this country’s history, so I reject that representation. Some of my family has Italian derivation. The Italians were lynched much more often than the Jews. I can contemplate the phenomena of Italian lynchings dispassionately and admit that they probably occurred as an extreme reaction to certain kinds of un-American behavior in the Italian community. For some reason, though, the Italians have moved past all that.

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    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.
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  90. syonredux says:
    @Jack D
    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American, "Middle Eastern", like "Latino" , is a geographic designation, not a racial category. Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino. Also keep in mind also that some genuine, not recently arrived from Minsk, Middle Easterners are "white". Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American,

    Same kind of thing. The flight from White goes East.

    “Middle Eastern”, like “Latino” , is a geographic designation, not a racial category.

    Yes, I know what it actually means. But I also know how it is being used. White people want the protection that comes with being POC. Hence, the racialized status of ethno-linguistic categories like Latino/Hispanic/Latinx and Middle Eastern.

    Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino.

    Interesting to note how some SJW-types complained about a White woman (Giselle) embodying “The Girl from Ipanema” at the Rio Olympics opening ceremonies. Of course, the original Girl was also White:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helo%C3%ADsa_Pinheiro

    Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

    I love bringing up Bashar Assad when SJWs complain about Europeans being cast as Middle Easterners in films.

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    Or Suha Arafat. Oh what an exotic POC she is ..........
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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymouse
    Steve,

    Why not think of jews as though jews were humans and we were, say, very intelligent sub-humans? Interacting with them, rarely since they are few, would be on a 1 to 1 basis. Every transaction/interaction in either direction horizonal or vertical (jew=human or us=sub-human) would be 1 to 1 for that is the essense of interactions.

    Since we know that we're not all alike, ethically, or genetically, why assume the humans/jews have any other intrinsec commonality other than their genetic identity? Talk about this one, ok, talk about another one, ok. As there is no communality between them any more than there is between us, the jewish question is not an intellectually honest inquiry.

    Dulce est et decorum moriri pro sua patria! <I don't think I said that

    Ashkenazi Jews have approximately 50% European admixture, mostly of Southern European origin but with a small component of Eastern/Northern European origin. And all Europeans, including Northern Europeans have some Early European Farmer ancestry that originates in part from Anatolia and the Levant. Northwestern Europeans turn out to have a bit more Early European Farmer ancestry than Northeastern Europeans (Slavs, Balts and Finns).

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  92. Anonym says:
    @Anon
    Noblesse Oblige is rooted in aristocratic culture.

    Noblemen could feel this way because they could take their power and privilege for granted. They were born into privilege without trying.

    In contrast, Jews rose as merchants, and it was always about saving every cent. And since the state or the mob could take away Jewish merchant wealth, Jews mastered the art of hiding or transferring wealth.

    Jews have lacked aristocratic mindset even though some Jews bought titles as trophies.
    Jewish mindset developed shylockianly.

    Noblesse Oblige is ultimately a bad model because it presumes permanent privilege: the elites will have power/privilege forever and should be nice to permanent inferiors.

    For this model to work, it needs an upper caste and lower caste.

    In a free society, such a model is bad for the elites. It makes them magnanimous and complacent.
    Since their power is not permanently guaranteed, their generosity can lead to weakness and downfall. Look what happened to Wasp power due to NO. Look at Germans and Wilkommen. Decline and humiliation.

    NO(noblesse oblige) is also bad for the masses. While talented people like Jews may rise to the top by exploiting cracks in NO, for other groups the prevailing ideal becomes that the rich and powerful should take care of them.

    NO was ruinous for both Wasps and blacks. Excessive magnanimity and complacency led to Wasp decline in power and prestige. And excessive expectation of favors and benefits turned blacks into wards of the state.

    So, I don't want NO from Jews.

    I just want honesty, so that gentiles can work in their own interests like Jews do. And this means white gentiles too. The only NO that whites need is one where white elites identify with and represent the white masses. But this is more powerful than NO. It is called Nationalism.

    Also, NO is never universal. It is who/whom.

    So, some Jews could argue that Jews are indeed into NO by pushing for amnesty and Muslim refugees. But this NO to non-whites hurts whites. Now, Jews will argue that whites got 'privilege', so they don't deserve special favors.
    But this is Jews projecting their own tribal interests onto non-whites and using them as weapons against whites.

    Besides, when it comes to foreign policy, Jews certainly don't favor non-whites whose lands have been devastated to serve Zionist power.

    Jews only offer NO to non-whites when such folks are useful against whites.

    But then, white American NO toward Zionist Jews after WWII meant turning a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians. If any people deserve NO today, it is the Palestinians.

    Noblesse Oblige is ultimately a bad model because it presumes permanent privilege: the elites will have power/privilege forever and should be nice to permanent inferiors.

    You may have a valid point, but it is eroded by a lack of understanding of why NO is good for elites. A fair, just and intelligent ruler secures his own tenure and that of his children by NO. Elites always have targets on their backs. When you guard the honeypot, you need to be smart enough to outwit the pretenders, the challengers, the con men. Some of these may come along regardless as to whether you employ NO or not. But undoubtedly you get less of them.

    When you rule as a despot, like Kim Jong Un, you want to pray that you have hyper-intelligent and resourceful children because your actions have painted a target on your own back and theirs in the view of most people in your country.

    The merchant class is not far different in that respect. Lack NO, and you get Trump if you’re lucky and Lenin if you’re not.

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    Personally, Rule of Law is good enough for me.

    Stinking Noblesse Oblige? I don't need no stinking Noblesse Oblige.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdZKCh6RsU

    Rule of Law and Liberty are good enough but WITHIN A NATIONAL CONTEXT.

    As each nation has different cultures, values, and customs from others, Rule of Law only makes sense within nations. What is lawful and sensible in one nation may not be in another one. This is EU is such a mess. One set of rules pushed on all members. Worse, when Germany, the leading EU member, violates those rules and then pushes masses of 'refugees' on other nations. There goes Rule of Law.

    Rule of Law used to work much better in Germany when Germans minded their own business and kept their borders shut.

    Also, Rule of Law must serve and protect the core culture and core demographics of any nation. Of course, Rule of Law should be be sensitive to minorities. But then, that is precisely why too much diversity is bad for Rule of Law.
    When a minority is small and insignificant enough, the majority can be generous and understanding toward it. But when it grows bigger and bigger(or grows ever more powerful) and makes more demands --- at odds with the values and norms of the majority --- , Rule of Law can only survive by social repression of the minority(which is none too pleasant) or by fundamentally altering the the rules to accommodate minority demands.



    But this new Rule of Law can only be a perversion of the Core Principle. Look what happened to Marriage Laws in the US due to homo demands(backed by all-powerful Jewish groups).
    'Gay marriage' is now part of Rule of Law forced on all 50 states, but it is a total perversion of the true meaning of morality and marriage.
    And affirmative action, which used to be doable, has turned into a monster as non-white population grows and demands more and more of it.

    Also, laws are governed by emotions. Without emotions, there is no right or wrong. It's a feeling. Since feelings affect people such as politicians, leaders, consumers, activists, and voters, the Powers That Be bypass critical reason and try to sway people with mass manipulation of media. To push the homo agenda, the elites decided to sway public passions with mushy-gushiness. They did this mainly through the power of TV, music, and movies. And PC that shuts downs critical thinking and factual analysis and instead favors emotional truths based on slogans, icons, images, symbols, songs, and spectacle. (What even lefty Chris Hedges called 'empire of illusion'.) "Marriage Equality", "inclusion", "black lives matter". Chant and Rant than think and reason.
    So, the homo agenda didn't just corrupt the Rule of Law. Since change in Rule of Law depended on the shift in emotions, the entire Mainstream Culture was turned into an 'moral orgy' of 'gay' celebration.

    Rule of Law works if

    (1). A society is made up of a solid majority with moral, cultural, and ethnic confidence and pride. If there is acute shame or guilt, it can turn cancerous and grow and grow until it festers into suicidalism. Look at Sweden. It was once homogeneous and proud. But the cult of guilt infected the nation and grew to the point where Swedes wanting to preserve their own nation is "Nazism".

    Now, if a society has a dark history, it should be addressed... but it should not be allowed to grow into a guilt-cult. Never. This is why Japanese did better than Germans after WWII. While Germans were initially better in facing up to their dark past, at some point this turned into a cancerous and suicidal guilt-cult. Though Japanese could do more to face up to their dark past, even denial is better than suicidalism that has gripped Germany. Guilt-cult is dangerous not only for the self-loathing it spreads among the populace. It is also addictive to the moral supremacists who get a high by posing as the 'good repentant guys' versus the 'bad unrepentant guys'. SJW types love themselves for loathing their own kind. Virtue-signaling is the Identity of the Moral Narcissists and Supremacists. They just love to feel BETTER than other people.. just like homos love to LOOK better than others. It is morality as fashion show.
    Look at this Virtue-oh-so.

    https://www.facebook.com/wesupportpolice/videos/1781150172169216/?pnref=story

    (2) A society with work ethic, individual conscience, and culture of mutual trust. Having a core majority and national pride are not enough. If too many people are lying, cheating, and thieving lowlifes, there isn't going to be Rule of Law.

    (3) A society based on liberty and individualism(though not the crazy radical libertarian kind that has no use for anything else). Liberty allows all individuals a chance to move up the social ladder. And it pushes the lazy and useless rich down a peg.

    America was turning into that country as most ethnic groups were becoming Anglo-Americanized when Anglo-Americanism held must prestige and pride.
    Back then, it was no great loss for white ethnics to let go of their particular culture and meld into the larger Anglo-Americanism.

    But then, Wasps soon accepted the Narrative that Wasps are dull, boring, bland, useless 'white bread'. Worse, white bread spread with all the guilt in the world.
    For ethnics to let go of their identity and join Anglo-American-ness meant to be filled with 'white guilt' and to be blamed for everything.

    Given the smearing of white-breadness with such negativity, all whites should now seek flight from white and reconnect with particular European-ness and ethnic identity. If you can't be proud as a 'white American', you need to reforge a European identity with particular roots in Polishness, Lithuanianness, Serbianness, Scotch-Irishness, and etc.

    New Whiteness must be a gathering of the various European ethnic tribes. And only then, a New Whiteness must be forged from a revamped formula since the Anglo-American formula, which had been going so well, decided to totally cuck out and turn into Harry-Reidisms and Bush-Family-isms.
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  93. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @CK
    The 1% is 1/3 Jewish? Who knew

    The “1%” is mostly filled with suburban upper middle class and main street small business owners who are politically unimportant. They’re not capable of funding BLM riots or think tanks on their own. The billionaires and centimillionaires are the 0.1% who are capable of causing a lot of trouble.

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  94. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will Trump be Good for the Jewish People? One clue could be the fact that he carries Jared Kushner around in his back pocket.

    Then again, this could be interpreted any number of ways. Occam's Razor would cut this down to Donald liking Jared's work and advice. Plus the fact that someone in the family is more likely loyal and safe.

    On the other hand, this could be another 4D chess case. Jared is insurance against Trump ever being truly vulnerable to accusations of anti-semitism. He could also be life insurance.

    Who knows? One thing is pretty certain: Things in America are always good for the Jewish people. I doubt very much this will change.

    Who knows? One thing is pretty certain: Things in America are always good for the Jewish people. I doubt very much this will change.

    “The wind and the waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators.”

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  95. @anony-mouse
    If you have a billion dollars and your neighbor has 2 billion dollars you're going to feel awfully poor.

    But that's a psychological issue not a 'real' one.

    For Americans like Steve to focus on the richest 1% of Americans while a huge number of Americans make up the world's 1% (even including Steve?) is simply a case of keeping up with the Joneses and not a dealing with a real problem.

    This is a totally wrong-headed analogy. Being in the world’s top wealthiest doesn’t confer any influence over events similar to being in the US top wealthiest.

    Not to mention the fact that, as an American, concern over US circumstances is totally reasonable.

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  96. Olorin says:
    @Jason Liu
    I'll tell Jews what I tell my Asian friends:

    -The odds of Trump putting minorities in gas chambers is less than 0.1%
    -The odds of Trump dealing a body blow to social justice bullshit is 20%+

    If you're right wing, or just centrist, those are good odds.

    You think there’s a 1 in 1000 chance Trump will “put minorities in gas chambers”?

    Where are these “gas chambers”? Right next to the FEMA camps piled high with coffins?

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    Right next to the FEMA camps

    Actually, according to some reports, FEMA has mini toxic gas chambers called formaldehyde contaminated trailers.
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  97. @Lot
    Media domination is not really a thing anymore when one talented person can set up a website that in three years gets more hits than nearly every newspaper.

    People now have many dozens of full service news sites and to the extent they are dominated by Jews, it is because they are providing what the market wants.

    I am sensitive, as you obviously are, to the fact that FX Enderby is talking in terms of intentions and motivations rather than outcomes and consequences. However, don’t be obtuse. He’s claiming hysteria is over new media causing a loss of domination, and you’re replying that domination isn’t a thing as evidenced by new media.

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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    Jews or Americans in general. The 1% are:

    Income of $32,400

    Net wealth (including real estate) of $770,000

    What's that phrase, 'Burkean prudence'? Doesn't that mean that Americans, espcecially White Americans should protect the status quo? That includes the status of Jews.

    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp

    It doesn’t take much wealth to be in the top 1% for the world. I think the protests a few years ago were aimed at the top 1% in the United States, and even that is misguided. It only takes a few million dollars in wealth to make it into the top 1% , which is mostly the territory of small businessmen and upper middle class professionals near the end of their careers. The big money, greater than $100 million in wealth, represents the top 0.1%. Those are the real troublemakers who can fund riots and political campaigns and influence legislators and opinion makers.

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  99. Jefferson says:
    @Tim Howells
    Whoa! Slow down there! "The people on top"!?! Don't you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

    “Whoa! Slow down there! “The people on top”!?! Don’t you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever?”

    Since when do Jews claim to be the number 1 most oppressed group ever? Even the most far Left Wing Jew will say Blacks are the number 1 most oppressed group in the history of mankind. No Social Justice Warrior Jew will ever say that Blacks have suffered way less discrimination and poverty than Jews.

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    Since when do Jews claim to be the number 1 most oppressed group ever?
     
    Since they made the holocaust the single most important event in all of history. I have yet to see any major media outlet that has ever claimed that the black slave trade was worse than the holocaust.
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  100. Will the Russian media pick up on the last sentence of Steve’s essay, if so will they run with it. What about Senator Lindsay Graham (RINO & closeted)? Will he use it as an example of Russia’s interference in the USA.

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  101. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American,
     
    Same kind of thing. The flight from White goes East.

    “Middle Eastern”, like “Latino” , is a geographic designation, not a racial category.
     
    Yes, I know what it actually means. But I also know how it is being used. White people want the protection that comes with being POC. Hence, the racialized status of ethno-linguistic categories like Latino/Hispanic/Latinx and Middle Eastern.

    Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino.
     
    Interesting to note how some SJW-types complained about a White woman (Giselle) embodying "The Girl from Ipanema" at the Rio Olympics opening ceremonies. Of course, the original Girl was also White:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helo%C3%ADsa_Pinheiro

    Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

     

    I love bringing up Bashar Assad when SJWs complain about Europeans being cast as Middle Easterners in films.

    Or Suha Arafat. Oh what an exotic POC she is ……….

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  102. Jefferson says:
    @Jeffersonian
    One aspect that seems significant, but sits unexplored, is the intense tension between orthodox and secular Jews. The low level cold civil war between red and blue America is mirrored by something similar between secular and orthodox Jews (and the threat that Jews project onto gentiles is likely the insecurity that they're cousins inflict upon them).

    “One aspect that seems significant, but sits unexplored, is the intense tension between orthodox and secular Jews. The low level cold civil war between red and blue America is mirrored by something similar between secular and orthodox Jews (and the threat that Jews project onto gentiles is likely the insecurity that they’re cousins inflict upon them).”

    I read that the Orthodox in New York City who are the Jewish version of Evangelicals mostly voted for Donald J. Trump.

    What is it about the Shiksa Crooked Hildabeast that turns off most Orthodox Jews? Her closet Lesbianism? Homosexuality is seen as a sin in the Orthodox Jewish community.

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    "I read that the Orthodox in New York City who are the Jewish version of Evangelicals mostly voted for Donald J. Trump." - They vote what rebbe tells them. They did vote for Hillary for senate after Bill pardoned several Orthodox scammers.
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  103. iffen says:
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    The nut part is the essential, right?

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    No , actually it's not , while it may be a significant part of my makeup the "essential" part is the ability to smell the stink of betrayal . As I believed we have been betrayed by Trump . But time will tell . Right ?
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  104. syonredux says:
    @iffen
    Indeed. And, of course, we will also start hearing about how the Confederacy stripped the Lehman Brothers

    Those of us that read the comments here at Unz will have to start hearing about how dem Jews conceived and executed the Civil War for their own benefit and to the detriment of the US.

    Those of us that read the comments here at Unz will have to start hearing about how dem Jews conceived and executed the Civil War for their own benefit and to the detriment of the US.

    God, yes. I’ve already read drivel about how the Jews were behind the French Revolution…..

    Talking about Jews is difficult, seeing as how you have to negotiate a path between apologists (Jews are eternal victims) and lunatics (Jews are the organizers of” half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected” ).

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  105. iffen says:
    @Olorin
    You think there's a 1 in 1000 chance Trump will "put minorities in gas chambers"?

    Where are these "gas chambers"? Right next to the FEMA camps piled high with coffins?

    Right next to the FEMA camps

    Actually, according to some reports, FEMA has mini toxic gas chambers called formaldehyde contaminated trailers.

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    OK, that gets a big ol'lol.
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  106. George says:

    A possible less provocative question is: Is Trump good for the BosNYWash corridor and the west coast. And specifically real estate in those 2 areas. It is tempting to accuse Jews of furthering ethnic interests, but maybe they are just doing what’s good for their local real estate market, just like everyone else these days.

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  107. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    Putting aside whether this is any different than Elizabeth Warren being a Native American, "Middle Eastern", like "Latino" , is a geographic designation, not a racial category. Bar is as much a Middle Easterner as Gisele Bundchen is a Latino. Also keep in mind also that some genuine, not recently arrived from Minsk, Middle Easterners are "white". Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.

    “Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.”

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?

    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.

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    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.
     
    The Nuremberg Race Act would not have considered Bar Rafelli to be on the "Aryan pyramid" no matter how blonde she was, descent is what mattered. The same applies to Assad, he would be seen as an Arab no matter how "white" he looked ?
    , @syonredux

    “Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.”

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?
     
    Well, Hitler was a brunet......
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  108. neutral says:
    @Jefferson
    "Whoa! Slow down there! “The people on top”!?! Don’t you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever?"

    Since when do Jews claim to be the number 1 most oppressed group ever? Even the most far Left Wing Jew will say Blacks are the number 1 most oppressed group in the history of mankind. No Social Justice Warrior Jew will ever say that Blacks have suffered way less discrimination and poverty than Jews.

    Since when do Jews claim to be the number 1 most oppressed group ever?

    Since they made the holocaust the single most important event in all of history. I have yet to see any major media outlet that has ever claimed that the black slave trade was worse than the holocaust.

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  109. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Tim Howells
    Whoa! Slow down there! "The people on top"!?! Don't you mean the single most oppressed and innocent minority ever? Now remember what happened to Rick Sanchez.

    What would an exile forced on Steve equivalent to that forced on Rick Sanchez look like? Calling high school football games in the Valley? I think Sailer would have productive fun with that.

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  110. neutral says:
    @Jefferson
    "Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is."

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?

    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.

    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.

    The Nuremberg Race Act would not have considered Bar Rafelli to be on the “Aryan pyramid” no matter how blonde she was, descent is what mattered. The same applies to Assad, he would be seen as an Arab no matter how “white” he looked ?

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  111. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MLK
    Trump is a fascinating man of his time and place. In Stephen Birmingham's dichotomizing, Trump went with the vulgar upstart Russian/Polish Jews rather than the genteel German Jews of elite New York.

    Excepting his running for President, is there anything about Trump's biography and personality that isn't that of a successful New York Jew with a chip on his shoulders? Even the "Drumpf" meme fits the high hat condescension he has unrelentingly been subjected to.

    You mentioned something salient a while back. Trump seeing what was to come in high-end NYC real estate years before Wall Street's renaissance which would power it. I think he's always resented being a lowly single-digit billionaire rather than of the Bloomberg achievement.

    Not just his biography and personality, but his speech (e.g., “schlonged”). A successful Boomer outer borough Jew, to be a little more precise.

    Speaking of which, why hasn’t Bernie Sanders visited Trump Tower since the election, when his supporter Tulsi Gabbard has?

    Is he afraid that he and Trump would get along too well?

    Bernie has been a mystery to me this year. Before then, he always struck me as someone with integrity, even if wrongheaded sometimes. But endorsing Hillary made little sense to me. It’s clear there’s a lot more overlap between his views on trade and immigration (prior to this year’s flip-flop) and Trump’s than Hillary’s.

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    But endorsing Hillary made little sense to me.
     
    My guesses

    1) They had dirt on him.

    2) Feeling old and wanted to cash out.
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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Schmoe


    Muslims + 2nd Ammendment is a disaster for all Americans and Jews in particular.
     

    Any situation - American Evangelicals = disaster for the Jews.

    No others love them at all.

    Does any ethnic or religious group really love any other ethnic or religious group? Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon. They weren’t a major political force when most of the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe arrived in this country between 1880 and 1920 yet the Jewish immigrants survived.

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  113. Jack D says:
    @utu
    The majority would be better off if Jews were considered a separate ethnic status instead of playing the never ending game of I-am-white-but-now-I-am-a-Jew. The top caste needs to be identified and known. Only then Jews will have incentive to engage in noblesse oblige trick. As long as they can hide among Whites they can undermine white interests with impunity. This however will happen only if Whites asserts themselves as an ethnic group that has grievances. Jews will do everything to redirect these grievances against Blacks and Browns where they will spent they force.

    Btw, I did not like the last paragraph with Jefferson Davis. It undermined the direction of the previous arguments in the article.

    The top caste needs to be identified and known.

    Perhaps they should be required to wear yellow stars pinned to their clothing. That should do the trick!

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  114. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is."

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?

    On the Aryan pyramid, blond/blondish and ginger Caucasoids are seen as Whiter than darker haired Caucasoids.

    “Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.”

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?

    Well, Hitler was a brunet……

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    "Well, Hitler was a brunet……"

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.
    , @PV van der Byl
    Neither Goebbels, nor Goering, nor Himmler, nor Hess looked as white as Bar.

    I've never quite managed to find a photo of a top-ranking Nazi who actually resembled the flaxen-haired Aryan ideal in Nazi posters. I suppose Heydrich came closest but even some of his facial features gave him a somewhat Asiatic appearance.
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  115. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyD
    Another problem is that most Jews can afford to move away from highly diverse and "vibrant" parts of the country. It's much easier to champion diversity and multi-multiculturalism when you're insulated from its negative consequences (hence, Paul Krugman's absurd argument that everything's great in America because he can go for a jog in his upscale New York neighborhood). Stephen Miller would have probably been another Jewish liberal if he didn't go to public school in Southern California.

    There are fewer and fewer places to move to. And if demand for the limited number of homogeneous upscale enclaves doubles, home prices will double pricing out many people who want to flee there.

    Stephen Miller attended school in Santa Monica on the wealthy west side of Los Angeles and right on the coast. Not many ordinary middle class people can afford to live in Santa Monica. If Santa Monica has diversity issues, then few places on the coasts can escape them.

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  116. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    “Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.”

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?
     
    Well, Hitler was a brunet......

    “Well, Hitler was a brunet……”

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.

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    I think that's a colorIZED photo - a B&W photo to which color has been added. Here's the same photo with Hitler having dark hair:

    https://nseuropa.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/adolf-hitler-colour-portrait-photograph.jpg

    The picture you linked to shows Hitler with lighter hair than any other photo of him that I have ever seen - it's not a true representation.

    He did have blue eyes though.
    , @syonredux

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.
     
    That photo looks a mite iffy to me. Colorized rather than color. Here's a photo that looks more en point:



    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rare-color-photo-adolf-hitler-shows-true-eye-color-date-unknown/

    As I said, Hitler was a brunet.

    Here's Bashar Assad

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bashar+assad&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiQra_S3ePQAhUU-GMKHRRlB-UQ_AUIBygC
    , @syonredux
    Fun side note:

    I've heard theories that Hitler's preference for using "Aryan" over "Nordic" as a racial descriptor sprang from his status as a brunet.
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  117. @syonredux

    “Bashar Assad (while not as good looking as Bar) is just as white as she is.”

    Bashar Assad is not blond like Bar Rafaeli, so how is he equally as White as she is?
     
    Well, Hitler was a brunet......

    Neither Goebbels, nor Goering, nor Himmler, nor Hess looked as white as Bar.

    I’ve never quite managed to find a photo of a top-ranking Nazi who actually resembled the flaxen-haired Aryan ideal in Nazi posters. I suppose Heydrich came closest but even some of his facial features gave him a somewhat Asiatic appearance.

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  118. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Jews = Noblesse Malice
    They are notoriously mean-spirited and hostile to outsiders. NO relies on a homogenous society where manners, status and land are important. It doesn't apply to merchant middleman minorities in capitalist societies.

    Anyone who understands Putnam can see how catastrophic vlannish non-Whites are to higb trust White societies. Hence we see naive Germanics & refugees as we as useful idiots like Kathleen Kennedy (who can vote thanks to female suffrage).

    Right, Nobless Malice: that’s why America’s largest cities are full of hospitals and medical schools endowed by Jewish donors.

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  119. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @benjaminl

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don’t sound like Jewish names to me.
     
    Really?! I acknowledge some of what you say, but come on - Jews are 2% of the US population, so if there are plenty of Jews and plenty of non-Jews on the list, that means Jews have prospered "more than."

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/income-distribution-within-us-religious-groups/
    http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Jews-highest-earning-religious-group-in-US

    To me this sounds as ridiculous as the claim that blacks and whites each shoot about the same number of people in America each year. Maybe so, but there are a lot more whites...

    I'm very appreciative of all the patriotic Jewish Americans who have done a lot to make America great, but some of these tics are really irritating...

    Jack D might have been on firmer ground referring to Indian-Americans as a counter example instead: http://www.newsgram.com/indian-americans-are-the-wealthiest-ethnic-group-in-america-says-report/

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    Indian-Americans may have higher average incomes than Jewish-Americans (in part because there aren't many Indian retirees yet), but Jews definitely have the highest wealth in America. Flow vs. stock.

    I don't mind people sloppily using "wealthiest" to refer to income, but I didn't use it that way.
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  120. utu says:
    @Jefferson
    "One aspect that seems significant, but sits unexplored, is the intense tension between orthodox and secular Jews. The low level cold civil war between red and blue America is mirrored by something similar between secular and orthodox Jews (and the threat that Jews project onto gentiles is likely the insecurity that they’re cousins inflict upon them)."

    I read that the Orthodox in New York City who are the Jewish version of Evangelicals mostly voted for Donald J. Trump.

    What is it about the Shiksa Crooked Hildabeast that turns off most Orthodox Jews? Her closet Lesbianism? Homosexuality is seen as a sin in the Orthodox Jewish community.

    “I read that the Orthodox in New York City who are the Jewish version of Evangelicals mostly voted for Donald J. Trump.” – They vote what rebbe tells them. They did vote for Hillary for senate after Bill pardoned several Orthodox scammers.

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  121. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    No writer (as far as I know) has yet encapsulated the perpetual motion machine comprised by leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other. To highlight one without the other paints a distorted picture.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Left-wing Jewish punditry is one giant Fellow White People, We Need to Talk About White Privilege, and it's actually doubling down on that front in the face of Nazi memers.

    No, the Jewish flight from white is a response to the growth of non-white pro-Muslim pro-BDS social justice movements biting the white-gloved hand that's fed, founded, funded, groomed, nurtured, empowered, and intellectually bolstered them in order to destroy gentile white identity and self-interest.

    , @Desiderius

    leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other
     
    No, most leftwing Jewish pundits are too busy saving the world, and doing it badly, to spend much time provoking the alt-right, not that they don't do so inadvertently. The equivalent of alt-right Nazi-meme trolls are SJWs, and I doubt that they're more than, say, %15 Jewish.

    More heavily trustifarian SWPL.
    , @Anonymous
    I can understand not wanting to provoke the alt-right, who are like a swarm of angry bees, but Steve is one of the few writers who follows and has some insight into both camps. He has to be fully aware of this dynamic.
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  122. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    Most Jews alive today are descended from ancient merchants or rabbis, and because these two classes of people had the most financially stable and/or successful professions in Jewish peasant communities, they were able to raise more children than men who chose other professions throughout the centuries. Their genes dominate nearly all modern Jewish bloodlines.

    Both these classes of people make a living by flapping their jaws. They are monetarily and psychologically dependent on having an audience. Jews don’t farm because when you’re out there on the north 40 with a plow, there’s no one around to listen to you pontificate, and this is extremely distressing to them. If you didn’t like having an audience, you wouldn’t have chosen to be a rabbi or a merchant in the first place. This is how the ‘needs-attention’ gene got passed on and became widespread throughout the Jewish community. The vast majority of Jews cannot bear being alone, or not talking to someone. That’s why they congregate in cities.

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    Interesting theory.
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  123. Jack D says:
    @Mikey Darmody
    Leo Frank was probably guilty of that girl's death. He has remained a fixation of the America-based Jewish community despite being mostly forgotten by the American people. To his coethnics, his case is representative of the Jewish experience in the South. I see no evidence that anyone considered Jews with murderous intent for most of this country's history, so I reject that representation. Some of my family has Italian derivation. The Italians were lynched much more often than the Jews. I can contemplate the phenomena of Italian lynchings dispassionately and admit that they probably occurred as an extreme reaction to certain kinds of un-American behavior in the Italian community. For some reason, though, the Italians have moved past all that.

    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don’t know for sure, but Occam’s Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false

    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn’t speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don’t know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can’t think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little “extra” in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn’t deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn’t kill her.

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    He was lynched because his legally ordained death sentence was commuted to life in prison by the outgoing governor-- who, if I recall correctly, was otherwise a law partner of Leo Frank's defense attorney!?! He was not lynched because he was a Jew; he was lynched because the community felt that a just verdict was nullified by a politician for a non-judicial reason. I find it very hard to believe that the local community was willing to scapegoat a Jewish businessman, whom they believed to be actually innocent, just because they preferred to see a Jew hanged for a local girl's infamous murder, rather than to see a "colored boy" hanged, whom they knew or believed to have committed the murder. I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for "a little 'extra'" in her pay envelope. (For the record, I am anti-death-penalty-- and I also suspect the "colored boy" of the crime.)
    , @Bill P
    Leo Frank, a northern German Jew, was unanimously indicted by a grand jury that included several Sephardic Jews (who had long been part of the upper echelons of Southern society). My take on the Frank case is that it was in part an internecine Jewish on Jewish spat over who ran things in the South. This aspect is entirely omitted in contemporary accounts, but it's very relevant IMO.

    I tend to think the black did it, Occam's razor and all that. Whatever the case, neither anti-Semitism nor racism played a part in the subsequent conviction and lynching, so the ADL is based on fake news.
    , @ben tillman

    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don’t know for sure, but Occam’s Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell.
     
    That's not what Ockham's Razor addresses. Conley killing Phagan is in no way "simpler" than Frank killing Phagan.

    Anyway, if one actually looks at the evidence, one sees that it overwhelmingly points to Frank's guilt. Unfortunately, when recounted by his co-ethnics without any of the attendant facts, Frank's cynical defense that "The n----r did it" still seems to work on people who don't know the first thing about the case.
    , @snorlax
    At the time, seducing a woman without intent to marry her was seen (justifiably, given the prevailing social mores) as pretty much the same thing as rape.
    , @Mikey Darmody
    Which black guy committed the Leopold-Loeb murder?
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  124. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Well, Jews don't have much of a history of noblesse oblige for any group but their own, which is understandable. They show sympathy at times but never to the point that it hurts business or tribe.

    Also, let's face it, the last group on the planet that they'd show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe - with some justification, mind you - once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth - and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    No, the question of whether Jews will let up on whites comes down to one thing: Do Jews believe that they can "pass" for non-white?

    If they believe that they can be seen by blacks, Hispanics and Asians as just another non-white group, Jews will continue their war on whites. However, if they start noticing that those other groups simply won't accept them as anything other than just another form of whites, Jews will quickly change the narrative.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know. I'm just a stupid goy.

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    That’s really poorly done. While gentiles may be “the last group on the planet that [Jews would] show noblesse oblige toward”, gentiles are also the first and only group on the planet that Jews could possibly show noblesse oblige toward. Do you understand?

    And there is no justification whatsoever for the belief that “gentiles”, as a group, tried to wipe Jews off the face of the earth.

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  125. Olorin says:
    @iffen
    Right next to the FEMA camps

    Actually, according to some reports, FEMA has mini toxic gas chambers called formaldehyde contaminated trailers.

    OK, that gets a big ol’lol.

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  126. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonym
    Noblesse Oblige is ultimately a bad model because it presumes permanent privilege: the elites will have power/privilege forever and should be nice to permanent inferiors.

    You may have a valid point, but it is eroded by a lack of understanding of why NO is good for elites. A fair, just and intelligent ruler secures his own tenure and that of his children by NO. Elites always have targets on their backs. When you guard the honeypot, you need to be smart enough to outwit the pretenders, the challengers, the con men. Some of these may come along regardless as to whether you employ NO or not. But undoubtedly you get less of them.

    When you rule as a despot, like Kim Jong Un, you want to pray that you have hyper-intelligent and resourceful children because your actions have painted a target on your own back and theirs in the view of most people in your country.

    The merchant class is not far different in that respect. Lack NO, and you get Trump if you're lucky and Lenin if you're not.

    Personally, Rule of Law is good enough for me.

    Stinking Noblesse Oblige? I don’t need no stinking Noblesse Oblige.

    Rule of Law and Liberty are good enough but WITHIN A NATIONAL CONTEXT.

    As each nation has different cultures, values, and customs from others, Rule of Law only makes sense within nations. What is lawful and sensible in one nation may not be in another one. This is EU is such a mess. One set of rules pushed on all members. Worse, when Germany, the leading EU member, violates those rules and then pushes masses of ‘refugees’ on other nations. There goes Rule of Law.

    Rule of Law used to work much better in Germany when Germans minded their own business and kept their borders shut.

    Also, Rule of Law must serve and protect the core culture and core demographics of any nation. Of course, Rule of Law should be be sensitive to minorities. But then, that is precisely why too much diversity is bad for Rule of Law.
    When a minority is small and insignificant enough, the majority can be generous and understanding toward it. But when it grows bigger and bigger(or grows ever more powerful) and makes more demands — at odds with the values and norms of the majority — , Rule of Law can only survive by social repression of the minority(which is none too pleasant) or by fundamentally altering the the rules to accommodate minority demands.

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    But this new Rule of Law can only be a perversion of the Core Principle. Look what happened to Marriage Laws in the US due to homo demands(backed by all-powerful Jewish groups).
    ‘Gay marriage’ is now part of Rule of Law forced on all 50 states, but it is a total perversion of the true meaning of morality and marriage.
    And affirmative action, which used to be doable, has turned into a monster as non-white population grows and demands more and more of it.

    Also, laws are governed by emotions. Without emotions, there is no right or wrong. It’s a feeling. Since feelings affect people such as politicians, leaders, consumers, activists, and voters, the Powers That Be bypass critical reason and try to sway people with mass manipulation of media. To push the homo agenda, the elites decided to sway public passions with mushy-gushiness. They did this mainly through the power of TV, music, and movies. And PC that shuts downs critical thinking and factual analysis and instead favors emotional truths based on slogans, icons, images, symbols, songs, and spectacle. (What even lefty Chris Hedges called ‘empire of illusion’.) “Marriage Equality”, “inclusion”, “black lives matter”. Chant and Rant than think and reason.
    So, the homo agenda didn’t just corrupt the Rule of Law. Since change in Rule of Law depended on the shift in emotions, the entire Mainstream Culture was turned into an ‘moral orgy’ of ‘gay’ celebration.

    Rule of Law works if

    (1). A society is made up of a solid majority with moral, cultural, and ethnic confidence and pride. If there is acute shame or guilt, it can turn cancerous and grow and grow until it festers into suicidalism. Look at Sweden. It was once homogeneous and proud. But the cult of guilt infected the nation and grew to the point where Swedes wanting to preserve their own nation is “Nazism”.

    Now, if a society has a dark history, it should be addressed… but it should not be allowed to grow into a guilt-cult. Never. This is why Japanese did better than Germans after WWII. While Germans were initially better in facing up to their dark past, at some point this turned into a cancerous and suicidal guilt-cult. Though Japanese could do more to face up to their dark past, even denial is better than suicidalism that has gripped Germany. Guilt-cult is dangerous not only for the self-loathing it spreads among the populace. It is also addictive to the moral supremacists who get a high by posing as the ‘good repentant guys’ versus the ‘bad unrepentant guys’. SJW types love themselves for loathing their own kind. Virtue-signaling is the Identity of the Moral Narcissists and Supremacists. They just love to feel BETTER than other people.. just like homos love to LOOK better than others. It is morality as fashion show.
    Look at this Virtue-oh-so.

    https://www.facebook.com/wesupportpolice/videos/1781150172169216/?pnref=story

    (2) A society with work ethic, individual conscience, and culture of mutual trust. Having a core majority and national pride are not enough. If too many people are lying, cheating, and thieving lowlifes, there isn’t going to be Rule of Law.

    (3) A society based on liberty and individualism(though not the crazy radical libertarian kind that has no use for anything else). Liberty allows all individuals a chance to move up the social ladder. And it pushes the lazy and useless rich down a peg.

    America was turning into that country as most ethnic groups were becoming Anglo-Americanized when Anglo-Americanism held must prestige and pride.
    Back then, it was no great loss for white ethnics to let go of their particular culture and meld into the larger Anglo-Americanism.

    But then, Wasps soon accepted the Narrative that Wasps are dull, boring, bland, useless ‘white bread’. Worse, white bread spread with all the guilt in the world.
    For ethnics to let go of their identity and join Anglo-American-ness meant to be filled with ‘white guilt’ and to be blamed for everything.

    Given the smearing of white-breadness with such negativity, all whites should now seek flight from white and reconnect with particular European-ness and ethnic identity. If you can’t be proud as a ‘white American’, you need to reforge a European identity with particular roots in Polishness, Lithuanianness, Serbianness, Scotch-Irishness, and etc.

    New Whiteness must be a gathering of the various European ethnic tribes. And only then, a New Whiteness must be forged from a revamped formula since the Anglo-American formula, which had been going so well, decided to totally cuck out and turn into Harry-Reidisms and Bush-Family-isms.

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  127. G Pinfold says:
    @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    You critique Steve’s lack of gentility very gently indeed.

    2nd, you say that “Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group.” Saying “as much as” would have been fairer – yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire’s list but there are plenty of non-Jews too.

    OK, Steve is guilty of assuming a level of numeracy here that may be a stretch for an elite readership.

    you say “much” of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say “some” – even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    This is more than a nice quibble: ‘Much’ does not imply ‘most’, but, yes, it is stronger than ‘some’, and raises the question ‘how much?’. What, for example, do Lyndsey Graham’s concerns over Trump’s view of Putin and Assad have to do with the question at hand?

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  128. utu says:
    @Anon
    Whites should also seek flight from white.

    They should go with EUROPEAN.

    If blacks are AFRICAN-Americans, then whites should be EUROPEAN-Americans.

    And white Hispanics should count as EUROPEAN-Americans too. No more hiding behind POC label.

    If blacks are not black, if yellows are not yellow, if browns are not brown, then whites are not white.

    Good point. We should go with EUROPEAN-American label.

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  129. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    Agree with the first part of your comment. This is one of the occasional Sailer essays I found a bit too outré to share.

    But I disagree that Steve’s Civil War reference was a non-sequitur. History is frequently used to justify “flight from white”, so it makes sense for Steve to point out where history refutes those claims.

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  130. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Well, Jews don't have much of a history of noblesse oblige for any group but their own, which is understandable. They show sympathy at times but never to the point that it hurts business or tribe.

    Also, let's face it, the last group on the planet that they'd show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe - with some justification, mind you - once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth - and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    No, the question of whether Jews will let up on whites comes down to one thing: Do Jews believe that they can "pass" for non-white?

    If they believe that they can be seen by blacks, Hispanics and Asians as just another non-white group, Jews will continue their war on whites. However, if they start noticing that those other groups simply won't accept them as anything other than just another form of whites, Jews will quickly change the narrative.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know. I'm just a stupid goy.

    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know.

    Seeing as how Jews were largely responsible for creating the original Brazil, you really shouldn’t be surprised that the Jewish community thinks that’s the way to go.

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  131. I wrote a long comment that got eaten. Here’s the shortened version:

    Last Sunday, 60 Minutes ran a story about a Jewish lawyer who files BS lawsuits against small businesses for tiny violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (It’s not enough to have a wheelchair ramp; said ramp has to be such-and-such feet wide and such-and-such feet from the handicapped parking spots.) It’s a nice little scam made all the nicer by the fine folks at Google, whose Earth and Map apps helpfully allow one to look at detailed photographs of nearly every building in America from the comfort of one’s grungy little (fully ADA-compliant?) law office.

    All of the business owners interviewed for the segment were Arab or Persian or swarthy-Middle-Eastern-something-or-other.

    So, do we white non-Hispanic Christian 60 Minutes-watching goyim side with the Jewish lawyer, or the Muslim businessmen? If we’re straight, do we take note of the fact that Anderson Cooper is so flamingly not?

    I side with the latter – the businessmen, that is, not the silver-haired hack who kept shilling for Shrillary at the presidential debate.

    I’m not for the businessmen so much as I am against the lawyer, and all that he represents. I’ve been burned over minor code-enforcement issues.

    I wasn’t the contractor, and I wasn’t the one who hired the contractor, and it turned out that the contractor wasn’t even the contractor (the real certified contractor had died, and the guy doing the work – his former assistant – was forging his signature) … but when the contractor screwed up the permits and did work that wasn’t up to code, I was the one who had to pay for it. It was a ten-thousand-dollar mistake that wasn’t even my fault.

    And I’ve been burned by scummy lawyers, some – okay, many if not most – of them Jewish.

    One of those scummy lawyers was the one I hired in the wake of the contractor fiasco. He never did anything for me except send me hefty bills.

    (The fake contractor was hefty, as well. A morbidly-obese Cuban guy, he left a trail of sweat everywhere he went.)

    Most of the lawyers I know are Jewish; most of the scummy lawyers I know are Jewish. Most of the scummy people I know are not Jewish, but a good number of them are. Then again, Jews make up a good number of the non-Hispanic people who I know, period.

    Lawyers – both Jewish and goyish – are well-represented in the ranks of those I wish I’d never met.

    I’m not so fond of contractors, either … but, for the sake of interfaith relations, I’m happy to report that I’ve never met a Jewish contractor. After the Cuban, the contractor who did me the wrongest was a crotchety old Irish Catholic guy.

    Many if not most lawyers fall on the prickier side of the nice-to-nasty personality spectrum. So do many if not most Jews. This is more than a mere coincidence. Say what you will about Jews, good or bad, but excessive politeness is not a stereotypical Jewish trait.

    Anderson Cooper is a schmuck. But, like they say, you are what you eat.

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  132. @inertial
    I believe the Flight From White is explained not so much by Jewish super-rationality but by the typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity. The chain of reasoning appears to be as follows:

    1. White supremacists are Nazis.

    2. White supremacists hate non-whites.

    3. Nazis hated Jews.

    4. Therefore, Jews are non-white.

    I believe the Flight From White is explained not so much by Jewish super-rationality but by the typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity. The chain of reasoning appears to be as follows:

    1. White supremacists are Nazis.

    2. White supremacists hate non-whites.

    3. Nazis hated Jews.

    4. Therefore, Jews are non-white.

    But no one reaches that conclusion (even by other routes) except for a few Jews and pro-Whites. 99% of Americans consider Jews white. The “typical American muddle-headedness about race and ethnicity” certainly comes into play, but it causes the “typical American” to reach the opposite conclusion.

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  133. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MLK
    Trump is a fascinating man of his time and place. In Stephen Birmingham's dichotomizing, Trump went with the vulgar upstart Russian/Polish Jews rather than the genteel German Jews of elite New York.

    Excepting his running for President, is there anything about Trump's biography and personality that isn't that of a successful New York Jew with a chip on his shoulders? Even the "Drumpf" meme fits the high hat condescension he has unrelentingly been subjected to.

    You mentioned something salient a while back. Trump seeing what was to come in high-end NYC real estate years before Wall Street's renaissance which would power it. I think he's always resented being a lowly single-digit billionaire rather than of the Bloomberg achievement.

    Does this comparison extend to a major weakness of his: seeking the approval of the old money genteel elite Jews, like the NYTimes (at the expense of his base and platform)?

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  134. anon says: • Disclaimer

    middle class Jews – mostly yes
    - although mostly blinded by paranoia*

    banking mafia – mostly no
    - in the sense of having slightly fewer billions

    the banking mafia are psychopaths** though so one fewer billion is enough for them to start an apocalypse

    *result of living as a minority for so long
    **nice money-lenders become tailors

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  135. utu says:
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    Farming except for the tax framing was never a Jewish thing. There is more money in being a trader, a middle man. Besides how can you be a farmer if you are not permitted to work and attend the life stock on Sabbath? You always had to have Shabbos goys. Jewish civilization is impossible, is not self sufficient without the presence of the other, goy servant class. Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon’s socialist project of communal farming but it did not last. Now kibbutzes use migrant workers from Thailand… Jewish contempt for middle America, for fly over country is the same contempt they always felt for native peasants on which the preyed like by engaging in tax farming and liquor selling in Poland.

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    Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon’s socialist project of communal farming but it did not last.

    It failed because they couldn't find anyone to work on Saturdays??
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  136. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Not just his biography and personality, but his speech (e.g., "schlonged"). A successful Boomer outer borough Jew, to be a little more precise.

    Speaking of which, why hasn't Bernie Sanders visited Trump Tower since the election, when his supporter Tulsi Gabbard has?

    Is he afraid that he and Trump would get along too well?

    Bernie has been a mystery to me this year. Before then, he always struck me as someone with integrity, even if wrongheaded sometimes. But endorsing Hillary made little sense to me. It's clear there's a lot more overlap between his views on trade and immigration (prior to this year's flip-flop) and Trump's than Hillary's.

    But endorsing Hillary made little sense to me.

    My guesses

    1) They had dirt on him.

    2) Feeling old and wanted to cash out.

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  137. iffen says:
    @candid_observer
    One wonders what "good for the Jews" might even mean these days.

    Some decades ago it might have had a clear meaning: good for Israel, which Jews overwhelmingly supported.

    But my strong impression is that among younger Jews -- of which there are increasingly fewer -- who very much incline left, Israel is something resembling an embarrassment. It is among many of them a signal of virtue to denounce Israel for its racism.

    A great deal of the war being fought for Israel in American public opinion is being directed by men of such great age that it seems remarkable that they are still alive, much less active. What is going to remain of specifically Jewish interests when these dinosaurs finally collapse into the tar pits?

    By outmarriage Jews are now simply blending into the elite class. Their interests will be completely indistinguishable from those of that larger class.

    One wonders what “good for the Jews” might even mean these days.

    Having your father-in-law elected President might be pretty good.

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  138. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    If I were to hazard a guess about the jews in general, I would say white folks are the jews' "canary in the coal mine."

    Jews should be particularly concerned about that canary. Without white protection, jews will be gone. WWII has proven that when white folks aren't around to protect the jews, or stop caring about the jews, jews tend to start disappearing en masse, and relatively quickly.

    Near as I can figure, the jews have the reverse problem of blacks. The poorest idiot blacks taint the reputation of functional, contributing blacks, while the richest idiot jews actions taint the rep of functional contributing jews.

    In any case, London is so far gone at this point, it should serve as a petri dish for jewish existence. If I were jewish, I wouldn't be looking to buy a flat in east London. That's been turned into a jewish "no go zone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZe5hXodQg

    In pre-WWII Germany and Eastern Europe, almost no one cared for the Jews and a significant proportion of the population actively disliked them. Yet pogroms and extermination camps weren’t constant occurrences. What changed in Germany during the Nazi period and in Eastern Europe after the Germans invaded was that the Nazis actively agitated against Jews (to include stirring up Jew haters in occupied countries) and withdrew basic government protection. That plus bringing German organizational skill to the management of mass deportations and industrial technique to murder was what allowed the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.

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  139. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    he can’t point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media

    That sounds like nonsense. The SPLC and the ADL already have white nationalism covered. It’s being driven by the BDS movement that’s popular with pro-Palestine BLM and all the other minority causes Jews back.

    I’ve seen Jews suddenly finding themselves ostracized from the social justice causes they’re knee-deep in kvetching about how the minorities aren’t respecting their Holocaust victimhood. They want minority status because they’re looking like extra-privileged whites who oppress Muslim PoC.

    I think there’s been a few Sailer posts on this.

    5 days ago – The Senate has cleared a bill aimed at bolstering the Department of Education’s ability to investigate anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses.

    Commonly paraphrased as an anti-BDS bill.

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    Nobody is talking about "covering" the alt-right like the SPLC or ADL does. We're talking about the context of the recent article at The Atlantic that Steve is obviously studiously ignoring.
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  140. utu says:
    @neon2
    Trump has just been elected to reverse this process. As I wrote in another thread on November 30, the Orthodox Jews are now at war with their secularist cousins, and they are finally winning.
    The Jews of Israel (the religious ones) are thrilled with Trump's victory and are hardly unaware, not only that his son-in-law is Orthodox, but that his daughter converted to Judaism before marrying him.
    The Orthodox understand the threat from Islam and are willing (perhaps only for the time being) to unite with Christians to bring this beast down. That they will have to defeat their cousins in Hollywood and the MSM is now being actively taken into account.
    The struggle, although deadly serious and important for us as much as for them, will nevertheless be fun to watch unfold.

    And also the Orthodox are very much into Putin.

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  141. @IHTG

    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles
     
    Er. I'm not sure how aware the alt-right is that "gentiles" isn't a synonym for "white European".

    Er. I’m not sure how aware you are that when adults of reasonable intelligence have discussions, we understand that some things are understood and agreed upon and thus we don’t need to spell out every little detail as though we’re speaking some douchebag lawyer or SJW.

    Here’s a few other things that we understand but don’t have spell out every time we comment:

    1. Americans blacks aren’t 100% African. The vast majority are slightly European and, at times, Native American
    2. White is a very general term for many European ethnicities, such as English, Irish, German, Italian, etc.
    3. Hispanic doesn’t refer to a race but a geographic designation and can encompass people from vastly different racial backgrounds, including African, European and Native American. However, unless using Steve’s Conquistador American, we’re usually talking about short, squat mestizo types from Mexico and Central America.

    I could on for hours, but you get the point. Actually, you probably don’t, but it’s still obvious.

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  142. Anonym says:
    @neutral
    Is Trump good for whites ?

    Is Trump good for whites ?

    He was better for whites than every single other nominee, Republican or Democrat or Green or Libertarian or Egg McMuffin and there were many.

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  143. D. K. says:
    @Jack D
    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.

    He was lynched because his legally ordained death sentence was commuted to life in prison by the outgoing governor– who, if I recall correctly, was otherwise a law partner of Leo Frank’s defense attorney!?! He was not lynched because he was a Jew; he was lynched because the community felt that a just verdict was nullified by a politician for a non-judicial reason. I find it very hard to believe that the local community was willing to scapegoat a Jewish businessman, whom they believed to be actually innocent, just because they preferred to see a Jew hanged for a local girl’s infamous murder, rather than to see a “colored boy” hanged, whom they knew or believed to have committed the murder. I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for “a little ‘extra’” in her pay envelope. (For the record, I am anti-death-penalty– and I also suspect the “colored boy” of the crime.)

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    > I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for “a little ‘extra’” in her pay envelope


    i'll give you a chance to change your mind about that, if you want to.
    , @Mr. Anon
    It's quite possible that Conley was an accessory after the fact. Conley was alleged to have worked for Frank as a lookout during his assignations with female employees. I don't think the citizens of Georgia lynched Frank just for a little variety, but rather because they believed him to be guilty. Perhaps because he acted guilty, and there was evidence indicating his guilt.

    Anyway, white people (even gentile white people) used to get lynched in those days too.

    "Killin Jim" Miller

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  144. @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    You usually don’t get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews[,] and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism – see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #’s in the late 19th century.

    The American South is possibly the most philo-Semitic place that has existed anywhere on earth in the last 5,777 years. And Leo Frank was probably guilty, and even if he wasn’t the jury was right to convict him because he self-evidently perjured himself in a way that pointed the arrow of guilt straight at himself.

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    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.
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  145. @27 year old
    What point do you think you're making with this factoid?

    Steve (Burkean prudence) Sailer says that Jews should be wary of changes since such changes may push them from their top position.

    But since American in general are on the top shouldn’t all Americans be wary of changes?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Philippe_II,_Duke_of_Orl%C3%A9ans

    as an example since we’re talking about Burke.

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  146. Yak-15 says:
    @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    The annoying and detrimental SJW tendencies of some Jews predates the alt-right by many decades. Most alt-right do not attack Jews for being Jewish. They attack them for being hypocrites who speak about privilege when the same arguments can be used against those Jews to mark them as the most privileged.

    The Jews are mostly great and I appreciate them. But the whinny social activism by some can be taken down a notch.

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  147. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    No writer (as far as I know) has yet encapsulated the perpetual motion machine comprised by leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other. To highlight one without the other paints a distorted picture.

    Left-wing Jewish punditry is one giant Fellow White People, We Need to Talk About White Privilege, and it’s actually doubling down on that front in the face of Nazi memers.

    No, the Jewish flight from white is a response to the growth of non-white pro-Muslim pro-BDS social justice movements biting the white-gloved hand that’s fed, founded, funded, groomed, nurtured, empowered, and intellectually bolstered them in order to destroy gentile white identity and self-interest.

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  148. Does any ethnic or religious group really love any other ethnic or religious group? Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon. They weren’t a major political force when most of the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe arrived in this country between 1880 and 1920 yet the Jewish immigrants survived.

    Huh? Say What? American “evangelicals”* were not a major political force 1880-1920? Wrong.
    American hostility to Jews peaked after WWI and in the 1920′s, because the Ku Klux Klan came back to life — the second Klan, as it was called, faded away circa 1880. The first Klan’s project was guerrilla war against occupying Northerners and uppity ex-slaves in former Confed. states.

    The second Klan’s project was immigration restriction, with anti-Catholic as well as anti-Jewish and anti-Eastern Orthodox components. The second Klansmen were mostly Protestants. The First Klan probably had a higher percentage of Catholics because a substantial percentage of Confederate vets were R.C. The Establishment version of ye olde Confederacy tends to overlook Catholics and Jews and slave-owning Cherokee Indians fighting for Dixie.

    The second Klan in some ways reached back to the nativist No-Nothing movement of the 1840′s.
    The second Klan had political strength outside the South. The Gov. of Indiana was an unabashed Klansman. D.W. Griffith’s Los Angeles had preachers endorsing the film “Birth of a Nation.” from their pulpits.

    The second Klan helped get the Immigration Restriction law of 1926 ( -6,was it? ) passed.

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    * Peepul who say “evangelicals” instead of Protestants don’t understand American Protestantism. They probably learn about Prots from reading the NY Times.

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    * Peepul who say “evangelicals” instead of Protestants don’t understand American Protestantism. They probably learn about Prots from reading the NY Times.
     
    Well, sort of. The protestants you speak of - that were so influential up to around the 60's - no longer exist in their current form. Today's evangelicals are the descendents of those who kept the faith but lost the (temporal) power during that period. Those who lost the faith but kept the power are today's progressives (according to Moldbug the true inheritors of the protestant tradition you speak of).

    The second Klan was a little bit of both, as the split hadn't fully happened yet.

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  149. @anon
    If I were to hazard a guess about the jews in general, I would say white folks are the jews' "canary in the coal mine."

    Jews should be particularly concerned about that canary. Without white protection, jews will be gone. WWII has proven that when white folks aren't around to protect the jews, or stop caring about the jews, jews tend to start disappearing en masse, and relatively quickly.

    Near as I can figure, the jews have the reverse problem of blacks. The poorest idiot blacks taint the reputation of functional, contributing blacks, while the richest idiot jews actions taint the rep of functional contributing jews.

    In any case, London is so far gone at this point, it should serve as a petri dish for jewish existence. If I were jewish, I wouldn't be looking to buy a flat in east London. That's been turned into a jewish "no go zone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZe5hXodQg

    There’s always Israel.

    Of course, us poor whites don’t have our own Israel, so we’re kind of fucked.

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  150. utu says:
    @Anon
    Is 'Trump' good for the Jews?

    What do we mean by 'Trump'?

    There is Trump the man and 'Trump' the symbol and icon.

    Trump the man is pro-Zionist. He is anti-Iran. He is for better relations with Russia but this could a means to turn China into Yellow Peril Monster of the world, thus diverting American anger from globalist elites to the Chinese(along with Iranians, always the bad guys for some reason).

    But within the confines of American and Western politics, 'Trump' has come to represent the question, "Is it good for whites?" While GOP has been implicitly white, Trumpism made this all the more brazen, esp as Trump pandered mostly to the white working class and flirted with elements of the Alt Right that is explicitly pro-white.

    It is this aspect of 'Trump' that is most troubling to Jews. Is it dangerous for whites to ask "Is it good for whites?" in the way that Jews ask, "Is it good for Jews?"

    In a way, this shouldn't be threatening to Jews. In a way, it could be.
    Also, it depends on what we mean by "Good for Jews?" Good for Jews in general or Good for Jewish Domination?



    Most white gentiles have no animus toward Jews. Indeed, even anti-Jewish feelings among most of Alt Right could vanish IF Jews weren't so anti-white. As Kevin Macdonald once said --- and as Jared Taylor still wishes for --- , he would love to have Jews on the side of whites. Macdonald gravitated to anti-Jewish stance because Jewish anti-white politics and rhetoric were relentless.

    So, given most whites are not anti-Jewish --- and indeed are pro-Jewish --- , what is good for whites would hardly be bad for Jews. Whites count as Jews as fellow whites, indeed as special whites. So, what is the problem?

    I think the problem is Jewish addiction to domination. Jews no longer just want to be part of white community like Italians or Irish or Poles. They want to rule over white community. Also, Jews fear excessive amity between whites and Jews because assimilation means weakening of Jewishness. Since religious identity is fading among Jews, identity for Jews revolves around history. And since Jews want to maintain some degree of separateness -- even if mostly psychological -- , they need to prop up the narrative of whites as past oppressors of Jews and potential future oppressors as well.
    Also, Jews know that Jewish power relies not only on Jewish Power but White Paralysis. Despite their wealth and influence, Jews are only 2% of the population. They could end up like the British elites of India if the gentile majority were to angrily rise up.
    If Jews were the solid majority of the US --- as in Israel --- , they need not worry so much about paralyzing the enemy with 'white guilt'. After all, plenty of Arabs in Israel hate Zionists, but Jews don't care since they have brute majority power over the Arabs. So, who cares what the Arabs think? Whether the Arab minority loves Jews or hates Jews, the Jewish majority has brute power over Israel.

    But because whites and other gentiles who comprise the great majority can overthrow Jewish power in the West if they really want to, Jews need to rely on the venom that paralyzes white power. And that is 'white guilt'. Now, Jews distrust all gentile groups, but since whites are the biggest and most talented non-Jewish group in the US, Jews focus on paralyzing whites first and foremost. Since many venoms are more effective working in tandem, Jews encourage blacks, browns, yellows, Muslims, and etc to sting the white elephant too. So, the white elephant is stung with Holocaust guilt, slavery guilt, 'Islamophobia' guilt, Japanese Internment guilt, 'cultural appropriation' guilt, 'homophobia' guilt (even though white societies are most tolerant of homos), etc. And of course, a group is most weak when divided, and no division is as fatal as man vs woman. Jews have used feminism to make white women side with non-whites against 'heteronormative white patriarchal males'. (Has anyone met a white male patriarch like Vito Corleone lately? I sure haven't.) UVA rape hoax was really about driving a wedge between white men and white women.

    In a way, what Jews are doing is smart. It's like what Michael says of Sal. Sallie was always smarter. And it's a smart move, what Jews are doing. If Wasps, the big solid majority of Americans with great pride and prestige in having founded and built America, fell in grace and power so fast after WWII --- the great triumph of Anglo-American power --- , imagine what could happen to Jews who are only 2% of the population if they were to lose their eye on the ball? Jewish power could be over very quickly if white gentiles were to awaken to the nature of Jewish Agenda.

    https://youtu.be/Ic6KR2CcUyA?t=1m51s

    This is why Jews are doubling down on 'white privilege' and white 'racism'. But this has negative side-effects because (1) Jews are the most privileged 'whites' in America and (2) Israel is associated with 'right-wing' government close to GOP and the Palestinian issue that has become cause celebre among both the 'left' and the anti-Jewish 'right'.
    Sometimes, the POC can't tell white from Jew, or they see whites taking orders from Zionists. It's like the scene in APOCALYPSE NOW where Willard asks, who is the commanding officer, and the Negro says, "Aint you?"
    So, when Jews say 'whites are evil?', lots of POC ask, 'Aint you white?'

    https://youtu.be/f96p-IhcZhQ?t=33s

    Now, the question of whether Jews are white or not...

    If whites say Jews are not white, then it sounds like Nuremberg Laws that discriminated against Jews on the basis of their un-Aryan-ness. So, such would be 'Nazi'.
    But if Jews are white, then it means they are part of the same race that produced the Nazis. And there are plenty on the 'left' that compare Zionists with Nazis.
    Also, there is ethno-white and 'white bread'(usually wasp), and Camille Paglia plays on this dichotomy all the time. She is a strong loud brash Italian women at war with bloodless anemic vampiric Wasp feminists. Of course, many of these feminists are Jewish, but Paglia blames Wasp culture for having turned vital and colorful Jewish radicals into a bunch of humorless stalinists.

    But this 'Jewish' or 'not Jewish' game can be played in so many ways. Slavs can play it too. They can say Germans regarded Russians as 'Asiatic hordes' and marked them out for extermination, so Slavs are not really white and deserve affirmative action.
    A lot of Spaghetti Westerns often feature northern Europeans as gringos and darker Italians as Mexicans. An aspect of Italian Leftism was premised on Italians being closer to the Third World since they are swarthier than those light-skinned blonde Northern Europeans who often looked down on Italians, esp those in the South. No wonder BATTLE OF ALGIERS was made by an Italian director. Its dynamics isn't much different from ROME: OPEN CITY.

    https://youtu.be/64MEeMYPT78?t=3m26s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpOMdGLR2c

    And Japanese like to see themselves as honorary whites during their imperialist phase and even after WWII as Japan was part of West whereas much of Asia was either communist or remained mired in Third World status. White or yellow?

    It's like the game of "Are Brits part of Europe or not?" Plenty of Brits and Continental Europeans will say Britain is not part of Europe, either as praise or insult.

    But then, are mulattos really black? Are mestizos white or indigenous? Or Latin American whites different from American whites? There is no end to this. It all depends on who controls the Narrative and Symbols and to what purpose.

    Anyway, anti-Jewish elements among white folks will have no problem with Jews not identifying as white. It will just make it easier for anti-Jewish forces to identify Jewish Power and Privilege since it is non-white. It will clear up the air between whites with pitchforks and Jews with poison pens.

    Also, non-whiteness isn't necessarily a protection against hostility and scrutiny.
    PC isn't necessarily anti-white in favor of non-whiteness. After all, there is no protection for Muslims(esp Iranians) and Chinese, as the Trump regime plans to target China as the Big Bad Wolf for all problems. Sure, there is some noise about 'Islamophobia', but this has less to do with love for Muslims than PC hatred for whites. Because PC is anti-white, it will knee-jerkly side with anything that is attacked by white conservatives. Since whites attack Muslims, the 'left' sides with Muslims(for now). But there is no real love for Muslims in the way that there is real love for Jews, blacks, and homos. The narrative says we have to love Jews as Jews, blacks as blacks, and Homos as homos. It doesn't say we have to love Muslims as Muslims or Chinese as Chinese.
    We may show affection for them if and only if they are targets of white or 'rightist' ire.
    But the fact that so many Americans can bash Muslims or China is proof that PC is not equal. The kinds of things Trump and his supporters have said about Muslims or China(and Mexicans to some extent) would not be permissible for Jews, homos, and blacks(despite the fact that blacks are the champion rapists compared to Mexicans). Notice how problems in EU are caused by Muslims and Africans, but anti-invasion voices only focus on Muslims and remain shhhh about blacks. And they are also silent about the fact that Jewish elites are pushing this mass invasion, not least by pulling the puppet strings of media and governments.

    Trump and his minions can dump on China. Trump can even threaten war on Iran. He can call on ban on Muslims. None of that got in the way of his eventual victory.
    Indeed, the Jewish elites never defend Muslims as Muslims in the way that Jews are defended as Jews. Muslims are useful ONLY TO THE EXTENT that they, at least in the West, can be used as 'victims' of white 'xenophobia'. Muslims have no value otherwise. Meanwhile, another sector of Jewish Power invokes any number of reasons to keep destroying the Arab/Muslim world through invasions, drone strikes, proxy wars, and sanctions.

    Currently, because most whites are not anti-Jewish, the question "Is it good for whites?" cannot be anti-Jewish. Most whites want to work with Jews, admire Jews, marry with Jews, be friends with Jews, etc. Most whites will think "what is good for whites will be good for Jews since Jews are white too."

    But the question can threaten Jewish Supremacism even if whites are not anti-Jewish. After all, even though what is good for whites is good for Jews if Jews are white, it may not be good for Jewish supremacism, which is the sacrifice of white interests of narrow Jewish interests. So, the Question is implicitly threatening to Jewish supremacism since to ask, "Is it good for whites?" must apply to all whites than just favor a small minority group within the broader white community.
    But this goes for all white ethnic groups. What is good for whites as a whole must not favor Irish Americans, Serbian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Croatian-Americans, or Swedish-Americans. While each ethnic group can be mindful of its own identity and interests --- a good thing --- , no group should say "All of you must do things that hurt your ethnic interests to boost OUR narrow ethnic interest." That would be supremacism. Suppose lowlife Greek Americans said Greek mothers should have special privilege to have schools favor their dumbass kids over all the other white ethnic groups. That would be really lowdown. That would be Greek supremacism.

    The odd thing about Jews is they least need special favors and privilege for success since they do have smarts and talent. Unlike dumb southern Italians who relied on nepotism and corruption to get ahead, most Jews did rise through meritocracy. The problem, however, is enough is never enough for Jews. It's like Jordan Belfort in WOLF OF WALL STREET. No sense of limits. This is why Jews need God to watch over them. Without God, their egos act like Anthony Wiener's pud and never know when to stop. It's like the Jewish kid in RISKY BUSINESS insisting upon Joel that his cousin Reuben from Skokie got to have some action very soon. They wan't Portnoy's Empire.

    https://youtu.be/gpuAeIEXoAc?t=19s

    But what may truly be threatening to Jewish Power is that the question "Is it good for whites?" might take on an anti-Jewish tinge, and we see this on the Alt Right. Many on the Alt Right have pretty much given on Jewish good faith. They just hear Tim Wise's invective about whites. They remember Newsweek covers attacking whiteness. They see colleges blaming whites for everything. They can't stomach UVA hoaxes that are about as anti-white as Nazism was anti-Jewish. Just vile stuff.

    And if this strain of anti-Jewishness comes to define "What is good for whites?", white politics and Jewish politics will be enemies.

    Jews lost a golden opportunity after WWII. White folks really did feel sorry about the Holocaust and had no ill will toward Jews. Jews and whites could have gotten along just fine. But Jewish paranoia made things worse and worse just when, as Steven Pinker said, things were getting better and better.
    Pinker's dream is lost in the EU because of massive invasions. Third World peoples will turn the First World into Third World. Dark clouds are hanging over Europe.

    In all my life, I almost never heard anti-Jewish stuff from white folks. If anything, when I sort of half-heartedly defended Palestinians in the 80s, a whole bunch of whites denounced me as lover of 'terrorists'. Even the most right-wing tard I knew in the 90s was like that John Goodman character in BIG LEBOWSKI. And on facebook, the moron is still like that. Everywhere, all I heard is Jews are good, Jews are holy, Jews are great.
    But I think things really began to change during the Obama Era and Homo era, especially as so many Jewish voices ripped off their mask and gloated about how it's been their agenda all long to destroy whitey.

    And if Trump had lost, I think the anti-white gloating would have 100x what it was in 2008 and 2012. Their victory hate would be as deranged as their defeat hate.

    Who knows where Alt Right will go, but a genuine rift has opened up between whites and Jews that hadn't existed before.

    And this is why Jews are sensitive about Putin. Putin, like Trump, isn't anti-Jewish but this question, "Is it good for Russians?" is a broader question that takes all Russians into account, not just Russian Jews. Jews, with their Chosen mentality, cannot abide by that. All other interests must be sacrificed to serve Jewish interests.

    Jews in America are used to being favored over other groups, especially white gentiles.
    Jews may seek 'flight from white' to escape the stain of 'white privilege', but paradoxically enough, it is to serve Jewish supremacism. It certainly isn't a wish on the part of Jews to be equal with everyone else.
    I mean why would Jews want equality and parity with other groups? If all groups were equal, Jews would own only 2% of wealth, make up 2% of Ivy League, own 2% of media, own 2% of NBA teams, run 2% of Hollywood, manage 2% of Wall Street, have 2% stake in Las Vegas, etc. Would Jews really want that kind of 'social justice'?

    Invoking equality to maintain supremacy cannot go on forever.

    “Unlike dumb southern Italians who relied on nepotism and corruption to get ahead, most Jews did rise through meritocracy. ” Are you sure? No ethnic nepotism among Jews?

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    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    Some serious mental gymnastics at wotk here.

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  152. @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    Do you have a White History Month?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8mUia75k8

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  153. @anon
    If I were to hazard a guess about the jews in general, I would say white folks are the jews' "canary in the coal mine."

    Jews should be particularly concerned about that canary. Without white protection, jews will be gone. WWII has proven that when white folks aren't around to protect the jews, or stop caring about the jews, jews tend to start disappearing en masse, and relatively quickly.

    Near as I can figure, the jews have the reverse problem of blacks. The poorest idiot blacks taint the reputation of functional, contributing blacks, while the richest idiot jews actions taint the rep of functional contributing jews.

    In any case, London is so far gone at this point, it should serve as a petri dish for jewish existence. If I were jewish, I wouldn't be looking to buy a flat in east London. That's been turned into a jewish "no go zone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZe5hXodQg

    Without white protection, jews will be gone.

    Jews have thrived and formed an upper caste in the MENA and Latin America.

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  154. Bill P says:
    @Jack D
    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.

    Leo Frank, a northern German Jew, was unanimously indicted by a grand jury that included several Sephardic Jews (who had long been part of the upper echelons of Southern society). My take on the Frank case is that it was in part an internecine Jewish on Jewish spat over who ran things in the South. This aspect is entirely omitted in contemporary accounts, but it’s very relevant IMO.

    I tend to think the black did it, Occam’s razor and all that. Whatever the case, neither anti-Semitism nor racism played a part in the subsequent conviction and lynching, so the ADL is based on fake news.

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    The bar for indictment is low and grand juries tend to rubber stamp whatever the prosecutor tell them to do. The old joke is that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if the DA asked them to, so you can't read to much into the fact that there were Sephardic Jews on the grand jury. Frank had married into a well respected Atlanta Jewish family and was president of the local Bnai Brith chapter, so he appeared to be well accepted by the local Jewish community.
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  155. @Anonym
    Also, let’s face it, the last group on the planet that they’d show noblesse oblige toward is gentiles whom many (most?) Jews believe – with some justification, mind you – once tried to wipe them off the face of the earth – and, more importantly, might try it again if the circumstances were right.

    They damn well do owe a debt of gratitude to the Anglosphere for fighting on their behalf in WWII. And Russia for that matter, but especially the Anglosphere because there has been no tangible AS in the interim. Frankly, I personally know of some Jews who have seen it like this and have attempted to actually repay the favor. Unfortunately others, and influential ones, have not.

    How have they repaid the favor?

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  156. @Dave Pinsen
    No writer (as far as I know) has yet encapsulated the perpetual motion machine comprised by leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other. To highlight one without the other paints a distorted picture.

    leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other

    No, most leftwing Jewish pundits are too busy saving the world, and doing it badly, to spend much time provoking the alt-right, not that they don’t do so inadvertently. The equivalent of alt-right Nazi-meme trolls are SJWs, and I doubt that they’re more than, say, %15 Jewish.

    More heavily trustifarian SWPL.

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  157. Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon.

    Jews killed Jesus Christ. Christians have blamed the Jews for that since 2000 years ago. Martin Luther insisted that all the tribe should repent of Jewishness and become Christian. Likewise lesser Protestant divines preached. After conversion, such new Xtians should be loved.

    There’s also the trope that the God’s covenant has been taken from the Jews and extended to righteous Christians, because of Hebrew stubborness. Thus a Congretionalist or Presbyterian preacher might refer to his flock as “true Jews.”

    The Jewish population in 18th and 19th century America was small. They weren’t oppressed, perhaps because the Jewish population was too small to rub against much. Jewish Americans back then were mostly German Jews, who didn’t give off Hasidic or Oriental vibes,

    By the early 20th century, Jews took on a leading role in labor-organizing, immigrant friendly politics, and other Bolshie endeavers … often in combination with labor exploitation. … Lefty, Bolshie Jews were in the public eye. They were not beloved by all Americans.

    And then modern Israel was founded. The Book of Revelations — the last chapter of the New Testament — says that the restoration of an Earthly Nation of Israel is an sign and prelude to J.C.’s return to Earth in person and in the flesh to judge the living and the dead, who will rise from their graves. Not a namby-pamby prayer- and-temple Israel, but a mighty nation of signs and wonder and superbeings.

    The USA needed Israel to be an American military outpost in the Middle East during the Cold War decades.

    Big, apocalyptic war might break out in the Middle East … something like the End Times in Revelations. So, in the 1960′s, ’70′s, ’80′s, and so on, American Christians tended to like Israel and think of modern Israel as a project that might fulfill the prophecies of Revelations while also helping defend America in more practical ways. The Reds and the Arabs … Hellspawned Gog and Magog. This attitude is fading, since Israel is fighting few wars these days, letting US gentiles do most of the crusading work.

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    > Jews killed Jesus Christ

    JC's dad sent him to earth to enjoy a beach vacation?

    You can delete any of the other Disciples from the story - Christianity would have existed.

    Delete Judas from the story? You've only got a carpenter who couldn't get laid.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Who were these Jewish pro-labor, pro-immigration advocates in the early 20th Century? Samuel Gompers, the best known Jewish labor leader of the time, was an immigration restrictionist, IIRC.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I never understood the knock on Jews that they killed Christ. Technically the Romans killed him, although the jewish authorities egged them on (going by the story in the Gospels). But apart from that: the point is he was supposed to die, to wash away the sins of men and redeem the world. It was his part to die and their part to kill him (or rather, wish him dead). Somebody had to kill him for the blood sacrifice to be made good.
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  158. @ben tillman

    You usually don’t get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews[,] and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism – see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #’s in the late 19th century.
     
    The American South is possibly the most philo-Semitic place that has existed anywhere on earth in the last 5,777 years. And Leo Frank was probably guilty, and even if he wasn't the jury was right to convict him because he self-evidently perjured himself in a way that pointed the arrow of guilt straight at himself.

    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

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    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.
     
    The lack of a sizable native bourgeoisie was a big problem for the South in the 18th and 19th centuries. They had to import factors and managers from the North and also from the UK. Edgar Allan Poe's guardian, the Scots merchant John Allan, belonged to that class.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks."

    Even though Frank tried to pin the murder on a black man.
    , @Jack D
    Don't be silly. Dinah Shore spent her youth hiding out from the Imperial Wizards of the KKK and singing in secret. If she had tried to sing in public they would have slit her throat. She was only allowed to sing at the Grand Ole Opry when Eleanor Roosevelt threatened to call in Federal troops. Or something like that.
    , @snorlax
    Also the Atlanta synagogue bombing; apparently no injuries and nobody was ever convicted, so I'm wondering if it wasn't an early hate hoax. Although from the Wiki article it sounds like Occam's Razor is that the guy who was tried and/or the others who were arrested probably did do it.

    Interesting tidbit: the rabbi was named Rothschild, although it doesn't say whether he was one of those Rothschilds.

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  159. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

    The lack of a sizable native bourgeoisie was a big problem for the South in the 18th and 19th centuries. They had to import factors and managers from the North and also from the UK. Edgar Allan Poe’s guardian, the Scots merchant John Allan, belonged to that class.

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  160. Karl says:
    @D. K.
    He was lynched because his legally ordained death sentence was commuted to life in prison by the outgoing governor-- who, if I recall correctly, was otherwise a law partner of Leo Frank's defense attorney!?! He was not lynched because he was a Jew; he was lynched because the community felt that a just verdict was nullified by a politician for a non-judicial reason. I find it very hard to believe that the local community was willing to scapegoat a Jewish businessman, whom they believed to be actually innocent, just because they preferred to see a Jew hanged for a local girl's infamous murder, rather than to see a "colored boy" hanged, whom they knew or believed to have committed the murder. I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for "a little 'extra'" in her pay envelope. (For the record, I am anti-death-penalty-- and I also suspect the "colored boy" of the crime.)

    > I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for “a little ‘extra’” in her pay envelope

    i’ll give you a chance to change your mind about that, if you want to.

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    That's damn white of you, Karl, but I'll pass, thanks just the same.
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  161. Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don’t mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it’s profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not .

    You need to see the movie *Exodus* from around 1960. Archtypically Jewish-looking and — behaving actor Paul Newman toiling in Israel’s fields and vineyards, then leading a campfire sing-a-ling with his khaki shorts-clad guy and girl comrades at night. … Sten guns ready to hand in case of a sneaky Arab attack.

    I’ll let Mr. Steve explain Theodor Hertzl’s concept of the new Israel.

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  162. Karl says:
    @David Davenport
    Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon.

    Jews killed Jesus Christ. Christians have blamed the Jews for that since 2000 years ago. Martin Luther insisted that all the tribe should repent of Jewishness and become Christian. Likewise lesser Protestant divines preached. After conversion, such new Xtians should be loved.

    There's also the trope that the God's covenant has been taken from the Jews and extended to righteous Christians, because of Hebrew stubborness. Thus a Congretionalist or Presbyterian preacher might refer to his flock as "true Jews."

    The Jewish population in 18th and 19th century America was small. They weren't oppressed, perhaps because the Jewish population was too small to rub against much. Jewish Americans back then were mostly German Jews, who didn't give off Hasidic or Oriental vibes,

    By the early 20th century, Jews took on a leading role in labor-organizing, immigrant friendly politics, and other Bolshie endeavers ... often in combination with labor exploitation. ... Lefty, Bolshie Jews were in the public eye. They were not beloved by all Americans.

    And then modern Israel was founded. The Book of Revelations -- the last chapter of the New Testament -- says that the restoration of an Earthly Nation of Israel is an sign and prelude to J.C.'s return to Earth in person and in the flesh to judge the living and the dead, who will rise from their graves. Not a namby-pamby prayer- and-temple Israel, but a mighty nation of signs and wonder and superbeings.

    The USA needed Israel to be an American military outpost in the Middle East during the Cold War decades.

    Big, apocalyptic war might break out in the Middle East ... something like the End Times in Revelations. So, in the 1960's, '70's, '80's, and so on, American Christians tended to like Israel and think of modern Israel as a project that might fulfill the prophecies of Revelations while also helping defend America in more practical ways. The Reds and the Arabs ... Hellspawned Gog and Magog. This attitude is fading, since Israel is fighting few wars these days, letting US gentiles do most of the crusading work.

    > Jews killed Jesus Christ

    JC’s dad sent him to earth to enjoy a beach vacation?

    You can delete any of the other Disciples from the story – Christianity would have existed.

    Delete Judas from the story? You’ve only got a carpenter who couldn’t get laid.

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  163. @David Davenport
    Does any ethnic or religious group really love any other ethnic or religious group? Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon. They weren’t a major political force when most of the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe arrived in this country between 1880 and 1920 yet the Jewish immigrants survived.

    Huh? Say What? American "evangelicals"* were not a major political force 1880-1920? Wrong.
    American hostility to Jews peaked after WWI and in the 1920's, because the Ku Klux Klan came back to life -- the second Klan, as it was called, faded away circa 1880. The first Klan's project was guerrilla war against occupying Northerners and uppity ex-slaves in former Confed. states.

    The second Klan's project was immigration restriction, with anti-Catholic as well as anti-Jewish and anti-Eastern Orthodox components. The second Klansmen were mostly Protestants. The First Klan probably had a higher percentage of Catholics because a substantial percentage of Confederate vets were R.C. The Establishment version of ye olde Confederacy tends to overlook Catholics and Jews and slave-owning Cherokee Indians fighting for Dixie.

    The second Klan in some ways reached back to the nativist No-Nothing movement of the 1840's.
    The second Klan had political strength outside the South. The Gov. of Indiana was an unabashed Klansman. D.W. Griffith's Los Angeles had preachers endorsing the film "Birth of a Nation." from their pulpits.

    The second Klan helped get the Immigration Restriction law of 1926 ( -6,was it? ) passed.

    /////////////////////////////////
    * Peepul who say "evangelicals" instead of Protestants don't understand American Protestantism. They probably learn about Prots from reading the NY Times.

    * Peepul who say “evangelicals” instead of Protestants don’t understand American Protestantism. They probably learn about Prots from reading the NY Times.

    Well, sort of. The protestants you speak of – that were so influential up to around the 60′s – no longer exist in their current form. Today’s evangelicals are the descendents of those who kept the faith but lost the (temporal) power during that period. Those who lost the faith but kept the power are today’s progressives (according to Moldbug the true inheritors of the protestant tradition you speak of).

    The second Klan was a little bit of both, as the split hadn’t fully happened yet.

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  164. Boomstick says:

    Trump seems to have a talent for spotting and hiring under-appreciated individuals. Lewandowski was knocking around New Hampshire, working as a lobbyist, AfP staffer, cop, and running unsuccessfully for small-town mayor. Miller was communication director for Senator Sessions, which is important but not the apex of Washington politics. Bannon is an interesting character with a varied background including the Navy, HBS, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood, and Brietbart, but not much in the way of DC or campaign experience. Roger Stone is a longtime operative but often of the prankster variety.

    Sure, there’s some ex post facto rationalization here. If Trump had lost we’d all be saying it was because he’d hired bums. Still, it would be easy for a wealthy political neophyte dilettante to hire high-dollar consultants and ape what ¡Jeb! did. Trump didn’t got that route, and his unconventional hires and strategy worked. The other campaigns were buying TV time while Trump was using a postmodern/premodern dual strategy that combined both social media and old-fashioned in-person political rallies.

    I wonder what the turnover was in the top 25 positions in the Trump campaign. Was it a case of Trump making unconventional hires but firing them quickly if they didn’t work? (Trump did fire Sam Nunberg.) Did he make good hires and stick with them? If he did make good hires, what led him to make those decisions? A good reporter would pay more attention to this more and get the vapors about deplorables less.

    Mark Steyn has some sharp-eyed observations, as usual, from back in January:

    http://www.steynonline.com/7408/notes-on-a-phenomenon

    ~BACKSTAGE: I did check out the action backstage, and I’ll say this: It was unlike any other candidate event I’ve been to. By comparison with, say, presidential campaigns such as Lamar Alexander’s or Orrin Hatch’s, Trump is very lightly staffed, and entirely unmanaged. Twenty minutes before the event, backstage is usually a whirl of activity with minions pretending to look busy and frantically tippy-tapping away on their phones over some vital matter or other. Deputy speechwriters and assistant campaign managers bustle about saying things like, “Mike’s seen the Egyptian Prime Minister’s response to the Secretary of State, so we’re working on a sentence to add to the nuclear-proliferation section.” There’s none of that around Trump. He’s meandering around back there shooting the breeze, posing for pics, totally relaxed – and so are his press secretary and campaign manager, too. If you’ve seen any of those inside-the-campaign movies, from Robert Redford in The Candidate to George Clooney in Ides of March, it looks all wrong: There’s far too few people, and there’s none of the fake busyness.

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    Trump seems to have a talent for spotting and hiring under-appreciated individuals.
     

    There’s far too few people, and there’s none of the fake busyness.
     
    Yes, i noticed that.

    It's like a special forces campaign team where you don't need to tall anyone what to do - they already figured it out and started doing it ten minutes ago.
    , @Desiderius

    none of the fake busyness
     
    Can't bullshit a bullshitter. The rest is commentary.
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  165. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Boomstick
    Trump seems to have a talent for spotting and hiring under-appreciated individuals. Lewandowski was knocking around New Hampshire, working as a lobbyist, AfP staffer, cop, and running unsuccessfully for small-town mayor. Miller was communication director for Senator Sessions, which is important but not the apex of Washington politics. Bannon is an interesting character with a varied background including the Navy, HBS, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood, and Brietbart, but not much in the way of DC or campaign experience. Roger Stone is a longtime operative but often of the prankster variety.

    Sure, there's some ex post facto rationalization here. If Trump had lost we'd all be saying it was because he'd hired bums. Still, it would be easy for a wealthy political neophyte dilettante to hire high-dollar consultants and ape what ¡Jeb! did. Trump didn't got that route, and his unconventional hires and strategy worked. The other campaigns were buying TV time while Trump was using a postmodern/premodern dual strategy that combined both social media and old-fashioned in-person political rallies.

    I wonder what the turnover was in the top 25 positions in the Trump campaign. Was it a case of Trump making unconventional hires but firing them quickly if they didn't work? (Trump did fire Sam Nunberg.) Did he make good hires and stick with them? If he did make good hires, what led him to make those decisions? A good reporter would pay more attention to this more and get the vapors about deplorables less.

    Mark Steyn has some sharp-eyed observations, as usual, from back in January:

    http://www.steynonline.com/7408/notes-on-a-phenomenon

    ~BACKSTAGE: I did check out the action backstage, and I'll say this: It was unlike any other candidate event I've been to. By comparison with, say, presidential campaigns such as Lamar Alexander's or Orrin Hatch's, Trump is very lightly staffed, and entirely unmanaged. Twenty minutes before the event, backstage is usually a whirl of activity with minions pretending to look busy and frantically tippy-tapping away on their phones over some vital matter or other. Deputy speechwriters and assistant campaign managers bustle about saying things like, "Mike's seen the Egyptian Prime Minister's response to the Secretary of State, so we're working on a sentence to add to the nuclear-proliferation section." There's none of that around Trump. He's meandering around back there shooting the breeze, posing for pics, totally relaxed - and so are his press secretary and campaign manager, too. If you've seen any of those inside-the-campaign movies, from Robert Redford in The Candidate to George Clooney in Ides of March, it looks all wrong: There's far too few people, and there's none of the fake busyness.
     

    Trump seems to have a talent for spotting and hiring under-appreciated individuals.

    There’s far too few people, and there’s none of the fake busyness.

    Yes, i noticed that.

    It’s like a special forces campaign team where you don’t need to tall anyone what to do – they already figured it out and started doing it ten minutes ago.

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  166. @Boomstick
    Trump seems to have a talent for spotting and hiring under-appreciated individuals. Lewandowski was knocking around New Hampshire, working as a lobbyist, AfP staffer, cop, and running unsuccessfully for small-town mayor. Miller was communication director for Senator Sessions, which is important but not the apex of Washington politics. Bannon is an interesting character with a varied background including the Navy, HBS, Goldman Sachs, Hollywood, and Brietbart, but not much in the way of DC or campaign experience. Roger Stone is a longtime operative but often of the prankster variety.

    Sure, there's some ex post facto rationalization here. If Trump had lost we'd all be saying it was because he'd hired bums. Still, it would be easy for a wealthy political neophyte dilettante to hire high-dollar consultants and ape what ¡Jeb! did. Trump didn't got that route, and his unconventional hires and strategy worked. The other campaigns were buying TV time while Trump was using a postmodern/premodern dual strategy that combined both social media and old-fashioned in-person political rallies.

    I wonder what the turnover was in the top 25 positions in the Trump campaign. Was it a case of Trump making unconventional hires but firing them quickly if they didn't work? (Trump did fire Sam Nunberg.) Did he make good hires and stick with them? If he did make good hires, what led him to make those decisions? A good reporter would pay more attention to this more and get the vapors about deplorables less.

    Mark Steyn has some sharp-eyed observations, as usual, from back in January:

    http://www.steynonline.com/7408/notes-on-a-phenomenon

    ~BACKSTAGE: I did check out the action backstage, and I'll say this: It was unlike any other candidate event I've been to. By comparison with, say, presidential campaigns such as Lamar Alexander's or Orrin Hatch's, Trump is very lightly staffed, and entirely unmanaged. Twenty minutes before the event, backstage is usually a whirl of activity with minions pretending to look busy and frantically tippy-tapping away on their phones over some vital matter or other. Deputy speechwriters and assistant campaign managers bustle about saying things like, "Mike's seen the Egyptian Prime Minister's response to the Secretary of State, so we're working on a sentence to add to the nuclear-proliferation section." There's none of that around Trump. He's meandering around back there shooting the breeze, posing for pics, totally relaxed - and so are his press secretary and campaign manager, too. If you've seen any of those inside-the-campaign movies, from Robert Redford in The Candidate to George Clooney in Ides of March, it looks all wrong: There's far too few people, and there's none of the fake busyness.
     

    none of the fake busyness

    Can’t bullshit a bullshitter. The rest is commentary.

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  167. Jack D says:
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    There was a fairly large community of Jewish chicken (actually egg) farmers in NJ after WWII. Baron de Hirsch tried to start a Jewish agricultural colony in Argentina. In both cases, it was a 1 generation thing – the sons of the farmers all became lawyers & podiatrists & pharmacists, etc.

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  168. @Anon
    Most Jews alive today are descended from ancient merchants or rabbis, and because these two classes of people had the most financially stable and/or successful professions in Jewish peasant communities, they were able to raise more children than men who chose other professions throughout the centuries. Their genes dominate nearly all modern Jewish bloodlines.

    Both these classes of people make a living by flapping their jaws. They are monetarily and psychologically dependent on having an audience. Jews don't farm because when you're out there on the north 40 with a plow, there's no one around to listen to you pontificate, and this is extremely distressing to them. If you didn't like having an audience, you wouldn't have chosen to be a rabbi or a merchant in the first place. This is how the 'needs-attention' gene got passed on and became widespread throughout the Jewish community. The vast majority of Jews cannot bear being alone, or not talking to someone. That's why they congregate in cities.

    Interesting theory.

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  169. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    No writer (as far as I know) has yet encapsulated the perpetual motion machine comprised by leftwing Jewish pundits and alt-right Nazi-meme warriors provoking each other. To highlight one without the other paints a distorted picture.

    I can understand not wanting to provoke the alt-right, who are like a swarm of angry bees, but Steve is one of the few writers who follows and has some insight into both camps. He has to be fully aware of this dynamic.

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  170. Jack D says:
    @Jefferson
    "Well, Hitler was a brunet……"

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.

    I think that’s a colorIZED photo – a B&W photo to which color has been added. Here’s the same photo with Hitler having dark hair:

    The picture you linked to shows Hitler with lighter hair than any other photo of him that I have ever seen – it’s not a true representation.

    He did have blue eyes though.

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  171. @utu
    Farming except for the tax framing was never a Jewish thing. There is more money in being a trader, a middle man. Besides how can you be a farmer if you are not permitted to work and attend the life stock on Sabbath? You always had to have Shabbos goys. Jewish civilization is impossible, is not self sufficient without the presence of the other, goy servant class. Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon's socialist project of communal farming but it did not last. Now kibbutzes use migrant workers from Thailand... Jewish contempt for middle America, for fly over country is the same contempt they always felt for native peasants on which the preyed like by engaging in tax farming and liquor selling in Poland.

    Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon’s socialist project of communal farming but it did not last.

    It failed because they couldn’t find anyone to work on Saturdays??

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    Aside from the fact that many early Zionists were socialist and not observant, taking care of farm animals is permitted on the Sabbath. In olden days most people were farmers.
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  172. Jack D says:
    @Bill P
    Leo Frank, a northern German Jew, was unanimously indicted by a grand jury that included several Sephardic Jews (who had long been part of the upper echelons of Southern society). My take on the Frank case is that it was in part an internecine Jewish on Jewish spat over who ran things in the South. This aspect is entirely omitted in contemporary accounts, but it's very relevant IMO.

    I tend to think the black did it, Occam's razor and all that. Whatever the case, neither anti-Semitism nor racism played a part in the subsequent conviction and lynching, so the ADL is based on fake news.

    The bar for indictment is low and grand juries tend to rubber stamp whatever the prosecutor tell them to do. The old joke is that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if the DA asked them to, so you can’t read to much into the fact that there were Sephardic Jews on the grand jury. Frank had married into a well respected Atlanta Jewish family and was president of the local Bnai Brith chapter, so he appeared to be well accepted by the local Jewish community.

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  173. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "Well, Hitler was a brunet……"

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.

    That photo looks a mite iffy to me. Colorized rather than color. Here’s a photo that looks more en point:

    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rare-color-photo-adolf-hitler-shows-true-eye-color-date-unknown/

    As I said, Hitler was a brunet.

    Here’s Bashar Assad

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bashar+assad&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiQra_S3ePQAhUU-GMKHRRlB-UQ_AUIBygC

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    His political opponents used to gleefully point to Hitler's "Hungarian" nose. That was before he sent them to Buchenwald.
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  174. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "Well, Hitler was a brunet……"

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.

    Fun side note:

    I’ve heard theories that Hitler’s preference for using “Aryan” over “Nordic” as a racial descriptor sprang from his status as a brunet.

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  175. Svigor says:

    any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?”

    Seems a bit tendentious, as the Jews’ flight from White long predates the existence of the alt-right. As for the harassment, it’s trollery. I read an extensive article on this in the Jewish press (linked by another author at Unz), and it was all funny shit (e.g., a Trump’s head photoshopped onto a Nazi’s body, Trump pulling the lever on a gas chamber, etc.). There were quite a few examples, all of them in this style. If that’s all they could find, that means that’s all there was. Kristallnacht, it ain’t.

    When Jews are relentlessly harassed online

    Mocked. Relentlessly mocked.

    I’m sure I have a pea around here, somewhere. Shall I put it under thy mattress, princess?

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    Trump pulling the lever on a gas chamber
     
    If my relatives had died in an actual gas chamber, which was preceded by a decade of so of "jokes" such as those you mention, which weren't taken seriously at the time, I might fail to find the humor in such jokes today.

    It's both mockery and harassment, some at the same time.

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  176. @syonredux

    Colored pictures of Adolf Hitler have his hair color as lighter, more like the average Austrian and not the average Mediterranean.

    http://orig00.deviantart.net/7d28/f/2011/060/2/3/adolf_hitler_by_alixofhesse-d3aouz3.png

    Black and white photos make Adolf Hitler look like he has black hair or dark brown hair, but his hair color was not that dark in real life. He just made the Nordic Aryan cutoff point.
     
    That photo looks a mite iffy to me. Colorized rather than color. Here's a photo that looks more en point:



    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rare-color-photo-adolf-hitler-shows-true-eye-color-date-unknown/

    As I said, Hitler was a brunet.

    Here's Bashar Assad

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bashar+assad&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiQra_S3ePQAhUU-GMKHRRlB-UQ_AUIBygC

    His political opponents used to gleefully point to Hitler’s “Hungarian” nose. That was before he sent them to Buchenwald.

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  177. BRF says:
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    Jewish Farmer.
    Joel Salatin? entertaining writer and farmer from Virginia.

    https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Want-Do-Illegal-Stories/dp/0963810952

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    Pollan's book makes it fairly clear Joel Salatin is an evangelical Christian, although one Pollan suffers to survive. And even if Salatin was Jewish, could he be said to be a farmer? As I understand from certain sources, Polyface Farms has rarely, if ever, shown a profit from agriculture alone--Salatin's public speaking fees and book royalties are what keep the thing afloat.
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  178. Jack D says:
    @Opinionator
    Zionists hoped to change it with Gordon’s socialist project of communal farming but it did not last.

    It failed because they couldn't find anyone to work on Saturdays??

    Aside from the fact that many early Zionists were socialist and not observant, taking care of farm animals is permitted on the Sabbath. In olden days most people were farmers.

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  179. @Jack D
    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.

    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don’t know for sure, but Occam’s Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell.

    That’s not what Ockham’s Razor addresses. Conley killing Phagan is in no way “simpler” than Frank killing Phagan.

    Anyway, if one actually looks at the evidence, one sees that it overwhelmingly points to Frank’s guilt. Unfortunately, when recounted by his co-ethnics without any of the attendant facts, Frank’s cynical defense that “The n—-r did it” still seems to work on people who don’t know the first thing about the case.

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  180. Let me correct a typo: American hostility to Jews peaked after WWI and in the 1920′s, because the Ku Klux Klan came back to life — the second Klan, as it was called, faded away circa 1880.

    This should be :-— the first Klan, as history books call it, faded away circa 1880.

    /////////////////////////////////////

    Well, sort of. The protestants you speak of – that were so influential up to around the 60′s – no longer exist in their current form. Today’s evangelicals are the descendents of those who kept the faith but lost the (temporal) power during that period.

    In the so-called Red states, I’ll bet that most elected official are nominal Protestants still. I’ll let Steve break out the spread sheet on that.

    I’ll agree that no Protestant preacher have had a big media presence in recent Presidential elections, such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell in Ronnie. R.’s era. Abortion is not quite the top priority it used to be, but homo-gay stuff remains controversial. We’ve just elected a Prot Pres.and Vice-P. So, have Protestants really lost political power? Or are they re-asserting themselves after hunkering down during the O. era? Ports of 2016 tend to be hipper and less Midwestern Gothic stiff than they used to be, but does that mean that they have less political power?

    Those who lost the faith but kept the power are today’s progressives (according to Moldbug the true inheritors of the protestant tradition you speak of).

    Hillary C. is nominally a Methodist, although not she doesn’t seem to do much praying. She lost the election. She didn’t keep the power

    …. This Protestant tradition you say I speak of — I don’t follow your meaning here. I never read Moldbug. Tell me what you mean.

    The second Klan was a little bit of both, as the split hadn’t fully happened yet.

    The so-called second Klan, unlike the first, spread beyond the South to states such as Indiana, Ohio, and — get this — California. Otherwise, you’re right, a little bit of both.

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    We’ve just elected a Prot Pres.and Vice-P. So, have Protestants really lost political power?
     
    We'll see. As Steve and Moldbug would tell you, the real power is in the megaphone, bureaucracy, and academy, where the kind of traditional protestantism you speak of has been utterly routed. See also: the Supreme Court, which is now imagined to have veto power over anything the seats of power you're paying attention to can do and which includes exactly zero protestants, believing or otherwise.

    I’ll agree that no Protestant preacher have had a big media presence in recent Presidential elections, such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell in Ronnie. R.’s era.
     
    He was more evangelical than traditionally protestant anyway. Mainline protestants used to call his kind "fundies" (i.e. fundamentalist) as we looked down our noses at them. This didn't work out well for us.

    This is what traditional protestant power looks like, and where it went off the rails (i.e. how it lost that power):

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/

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  181. @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ?

    Max Yasgur.

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  182. Svigor says:

    The majority would be better off if Jews were considered a separate ethnic status instead of playing the never ending game of I-am-white-but-now-I-am-a-Jew. The top caste needs to be identified and known. Only then Jews will have incentive to engage in noblesse oblige trick. As long as they can hide among Whites they can undermine white interests with impunity. This however will happen only if Whites asserts themselves as an ethnic group that has grievances. Jews will do everything to redirect these grievances against Blacks and Browns where they will spent they force.

    Perhaps they should be required to wear yellow stars pinned to their clothing. That should do the trick!

    We count heads just fine without little stars for the current categories. Why would we need them, just to gore your ox?

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  183. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    ““Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?””

    That is ridiculous and non-causal. Practically nobody had even heard of the “Alt-Right” a year ago. They were virtually unknown to the mainstream media. If they had heard of them then, then everyone would have heard of them, seeing as they control the megaphone. The “flight from white” has been going on for some time – long before there even was such a thing as a self-identified “alt-right”.

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    Damn straight. Alt-right just zoomed in to fill the blank nameplate they're always putting in front of the misty, impossible to define Thing Which Stands in the Way of Progress.
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  184. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @David Davenport
    Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon.

    Jews killed Jesus Christ. Christians have blamed the Jews for that since 2000 years ago. Martin Luther insisted that all the tribe should repent of Jewishness and become Christian. Likewise lesser Protestant divines preached. After conversion, such new Xtians should be loved.

    There's also the trope that the God's covenant has been taken from the Jews and extended to righteous Christians, because of Hebrew stubborness. Thus a Congretionalist or Presbyterian preacher might refer to his flock as "true Jews."

    The Jewish population in 18th and 19th century America was small. They weren't oppressed, perhaps because the Jewish population was too small to rub against much. Jewish Americans back then were mostly German Jews, who didn't give off Hasidic or Oriental vibes,

    By the early 20th century, Jews took on a leading role in labor-organizing, immigrant friendly politics, and other Bolshie endeavers ... often in combination with labor exploitation. ... Lefty, Bolshie Jews were in the public eye. They were not beloved by all Americans.

    And then modern Israel was founded. The Book of Revelations -- the last chapter of the New Testament -- says that the restoration of an Earthly Nation of Israel is an sign and prelude to J.C.'s return to Earth in person and in the flesh to judge the living and the dead, who will rise from their graves. Not a namby-pamby prayer- and-temple Israel, but a mighty nation of signs and wonder and superbeings.

    The USA needed Israel to be an American military outpost in the Middle East during the Cold War decades.

    Big, apocalyptic war might break out in the Middle East ... something like the End Times in Revelations. So, in the 1960's, '70's, '80's, and so on, American Christians tended to like Israel and think of modern Israel as a project that might fulfill the prophecies of Revelations while also helping defend America in more practical ways. The Reds and the Arabs ... Hellspawned Gog and Magog. This attitude is fading, since Israel is fighting few wars these days, letting US gentiles do most of the crusading work.

    Who were these Jewish pro-labor, pro-immigration advocates in the early 20th Century? Samuel Gompers, the best known Jewish labor leader of the time, was an immigration restrictionist, IIRC.

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    I'm going to guess HIAS and the like, ADL, jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe living in New York City.
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  185. Svigor says:

    That plus bringing German organizational skill to the management of mass deportations and industrial technique to murder was what allowed the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.

    No one fair minded could call industrialized genocide a mere detail

    For perspective, the Rwandan genocide death rate exceeded the Holocaust death rate. All done by hand, mostly with machetes. So I guess industrialization ain’t what it used to be.

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    And Stalin just let the Ukrainians starve in place. But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The difference was this - Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther - it was supposed to be the pinnacle of Christian civilization. If the Germans could do this, that means that there is no limit to human depravity, that nothing really separates us from savages with machetes, that 1,000 plus years of Christian teaching had not really taken hold.
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  186. Mr. Anon says:
    @David Davenport
    Even if the evangelicals really do love Jews (and Israel), it’s a recent phenomenon.

    Jews killed Jesus Christ. Christians have blamed the Jews for that since 2000 years ago. Martin Luther insisted that all the tribe should repent of Jewishness and become Christian. Likewise lesser Protestant divines preached. After conversion, such new Xtians should be loved.

    There's also the trope that the God's covenant has been taken from the Jews and extended to righteous Christians, because of Hebrew stubborness. Thus a Congretionalist or Presbyterian preacher might refer to his flock as "true Jews."

    The Jewish population in 18th and 19th century America was small. They weren't oppressed, perhaps because the Jewish population was too small to rub against much. Jewish Americans back then were mostly German Jews, who didn't give off Hasidic or Oriental vibes,

    By the early 20th century, Jews took on a leading role in labor-organizing, immigrant friendly politics, and other Bolshie endeavers ... often in combination with labor exploitation. ... Lefty, Bolshie Jews were in the public eye. They were not beloved by all Americans.

    And then modern Israel was founded. The Book of Revelations -- the last chapter of the New Testament -- says that the restoration of an Earthly Nation of Israel is an sign and prelude to J.C.'s return to Earth in person and in the flesh to judge the living and the dead, who will rise from their graves. Not a namby-pamby prayer- and-temple Israel, but a mighty nation of signs and wonder and superbeings.

    The USA needed Israel to be an American military outpost in the Middle East during the Cold War decades.

    Big, apocalyptic war might break out in the Middle East ... something like the End Times in Revelations. So, in the 1960's, '70's, '80's, and so on, American Christians tended to like Israel and think of modern Israel as a project that might fulfill the prophecies of Revelations while also helping defend America in more practical ways. The Reds and the Arabs ... Hellspawned Gog and Magog. This attitude is fading, since Israel is fighting few wars these days, letting US gentiles do most of the crusading work.

    I never understood the knock on Jews that they killed Christ. Technically the Romans killed him, although the jewish authorities egged them on (going by the story in the Gospels). But apart from that: the point is he was supposed to die, to wash away the sins of men and redeem the world. It was his part to die and their part to kill him (or rather, wish him dead). Somebody had to kill him for the blood sacrifice to be made good.

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  187. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

    “You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks.”

    Even though Frank tried to pin the murder on a black man.

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    Yes, how dare an innocent man try to pin the murder on the actual murderer? The sheer chutzpah!
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  188. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

    Don’t be silly. Dinah Shore spent her youth hiding out from the Imperial Wizards of the KKK and singing in secret. If she had tried to sing in public they would have slit her throat. She was only allowed to sing at the Grand Ole Opry when Eleanor Roosevelt threatened to call in Federal troops. Or something like that.

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  189. @Dave Pinsen
    Who were these Jewish pro-labor, pro-immigration advocates in the early 20th Century? Samuel Gompers, the best known Jewish labor leader of the time, was an immigration restrictionist, IIRC.

    I’m going to guess HIAS and the like, ADL, jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe living in New York City.

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  190. Mr. Anon says:
    @D. K.
    He was lynched because his legally ordained death sentence was commuted to life in prison by the outgoing governor-- who, if I recall correctly, was otherwise a law partner of Leo Frank's defense attorney!?! He was not lynched because he was a Jew; he was lynched because the community felt that a just verdict was nullified by a politician for a non-judicial reason. I find it very hard to believe that the local community was willing to scapegoat a Jewish businessman, whom they believed to be actually innocent, just because they preferred to see a Jew hanged for a local girl's infamous murder, rather than to see a "colored boy" hanged, whom they knew or believed to have committed the murder. I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for "a little 'extra'" in her pay envelope. (For the record, I am anti-death-penalty-- and I also suspect the "colored boy" of the crime.)

    It’s quite possible that Conley was an accessory after the fact. Conley was alleged to have worked for Frank as a lookout during his assignations with female employees. I don’t think the citizens of Georgia lynched Frank just for a little variety, but rather because they believed him to be guilty. Perhaps because he acted guilty, and there was evidence indicating his guilt.

    Anyway, white people (even gentile white people) used to get lynched in those days too.

    “Killin Jim” Miller

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  191. Jack D says:
    @Svigor

    That plus bringing German organizational skill to the management of mass deportations and industrial technique to murder was what allowed the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.
     

    No one fair minded could call industrialized genocide a mere detail
     
    For perspective, the Rwandan genocide death rate exceeded the Holocaust death rate. All done by hand, mostly with machetes. So I guess industrialization ain't what it used to be.

    And Stalin just let the Ukrainians starve in place. But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The difference was this – Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther – it was supposed to be the pinnacle of Christian civilization. If the Germans could do this, that means that there is no limit to human depravity, that nothing really separates us from savages with machetes, that 1,000 plus years of Christian teaching had not really taken hold.

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    But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.
     
    The Bolsheviks did exactly that to the Russian intelligentsia after 1917.

    They shipped them off thousands of miles to be killed in concentration camps.

    And almost all the Bolshevik leadership, secret police and camp commandants were Jews.

    Jewish moral double standards enrage me - except they're not double standards - it's a single standard: non-Jews don't matter.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther....."

    Euler was Swiss.
    , @utu
    When writing about Stalin and pre-Stalin murders in Soviet Russia one should at least mention the role of Jews in the murders. Certainly they were not victims but the perpetrators.

    STALIN’S WILLING EXECUTIONERS, JEWS AS A HOSTILE ELITE IN THE USSR
    The Jewish Century
    Yuri Slezkine
    Reviewed by Kevin MacDonald
    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/slezkinerev.pdf
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  192. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    he can’t point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media
     
    That sounds like nonsense. The SPLC and the ADL already have white nationalism covered. It's being driven by the BDS movement that's popular with pro-Palestine BLM and all the other minority causes Jews back.

    I've seen Jews suddenly finding themselves ostracized from the social justice causes they're knee-deep in kvetching about how the minorities aren't respecting their Holocaust victimhood. They want minority status because they're looking like extra-privileged whites who oppress Muslim PoC.

    I think there's been a few Sailer posts on this.


    5 days ago - The Senate has cleared a bill aimed at bolstering the Department of Education's ability to investigate anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses.
     
    Commonly paraphrased as an anti-BDS bill.

    Nobody is talking about “covering” the alt-right like the SPLC or ADL does. We’re talking about the context of the recent article at The Atlantic that Steve is obviously studiously ignoring.

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    You're saying it's simply driven by generalized online harassment of Jewish punditry? Why has the alt-right caused a Jewish flight from white that the conventional anti-Semitism and white nationalism played up by the SPLC and ADL haven't?

    Perhaps it is the more recent mainstreaming of white privilege rhetoric by leftist Jews that has opened them up to the specific criticism from alt-rights that they preface every castigation of white gentiles with Dear Fellow Whites. Is it any wonder they're questioning whether playing the Judas goat is still working?

    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap's self-perception and everything to do with the elites' strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it's time to change uniforms to side with the winning team -- lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they've stoked up in the PoC.

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  193. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks."

    Even though Frank tried to pin the murder on a black man.

    Yes, how dare an innocent man try to pin the murder on the actual murderer? The sheer chutzpah!

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    "Yes, how dare an innocent man try to pin the murder on the actual murderer? The sheer chutzpah!"

    You cite one source who claims Frank was innocent. Plenty of people have looked at the case and concluded that Frank was guilty.

    Certainly, Jews have a low murder rate, but do you maintain that jewish people never commit murder? Ever? I guess that Ira Einhorn and David Berkowitz were framed, huh?
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  194. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    And Stalin just let the Ukrainians starve in place. But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The difference was this - Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther - it was supposed to be the pinnacle of Christian civilization. If the Germans could do this, that means that there is no limit to human depravity, that nothing really separates us from savages with machetes, that 1,000 plus years of Christian teaching had not really taken hold.

    But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The Bolsheviks did exactly that to the Russian intelligentsia after 1917.

    They shipped them off thousands of miles to be killed in concentration camps.

    And almost all the Bolshevik leadership, secret police and camp commandants were Jews.

    Jewish moral double standards enrage me – except they’re not double standards – it’s a single standard: non-Jews don’t matter.

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  195. @Jack D
    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious. Now I realize that liberal arguments often go way beyond unnecessarily tendentious and into hate-whitey territory, but an eye-for-an-eye leaves everyone blind.

    It may seem like I am quibbling about word choice, but, for example you say "much" of the hysteria is based on Jewish concerns when it is perhaps fairer to say "some" - even if you take into account the disproportionate representation of the Jews in the media, there are plenty of non-Jewish figures whose worries about Trump do not center around the Jews.

    2nd, you say that "Jews have prospered MORE than any other ethnic group." Saying "as much as" would have been fairer - yes there are a lot of Jews on the billionaire's list but there are plenty of non-Jews too. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't sound like Jewish names to me.

    Now maybe you intend to poke certain people with a sharp stick and SPLC will put you on their blacklist no matter what you say, but it seems to me that a few judicious word choices would go a long way in making you and the alt-right into less radioactive bogeymen. You are never going to win over Rachel Maddow but you might be able to swing some more nice white suburban ladies whose roommates at Bryn Mawr were Jewish if you toned it down a notch.

    Finally, your Jefferson Davis joke at the end is a bit of a non-sequitur. Modern day KKK/American Nazi type "Confederates" have little if anything to do with actual Confederates like Jeff Davis, who I am sure would have thought them to be ignoramuses. That the real Confederacy was not anti-Semitic has little to do with the (largely imaginary) threat posed by modern day "Confederates" (all ten of them). American anti-Semitism (which was real if not as dangerous as the European kind) was largely a post-Civil War phenomenon. You usually don't get anti-Semitism without (at least a memory of) large numbers of Jews and American anti-Semitism (and in particular Southern anti-Semitism - see Leo Frank) really got going only when Jews started showing up in large #'s in the late 19th century. Not only were there a lot of these late arrivals, but they were not aristocratic Sephardic Jews like Benjamin but uneducated lumpenproletariat types who had been schooled on the hard streets of Russian ghettos and were not an easy fit for "polite" society.

    Now I have to say that a lot of current Jewish behavior is self-defeating. Most American whites are not anti-Semitic and would not mind having Jews on the "white" team. As we can see from Steve Miller (and all those Nobel Prize winners) Jews are not stupid people and are good to have on your team. BUT, if Jews go around denouncing whites and declaring that they are not really white themselves, then they may create their own backlash that wasn't there before.

    Leo Frank was by all accounts cretinous. It seems to me quite possible that he did rape and murder that poor little girl. Toss up between him or the black janitor Conley. In any case, lynchings were quite common back then. The white non-jewish man who murdered my great grandmother in 1922 was very nearly lynched by a torch-wielding mob.

    http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.jones/16787/mb.ashx

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    Right. Many Whites were lynched, although that isn't the public perception nowadays.
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  196. D. K. says:
    @Karl
    > I likewise find it very hard to believe that an adolescent girl, of her time, place and circumstances, was willing to have sex with her boss for “a little ‘extra’” in her pay envelope


    i'll give you a chance to change your mind about that, if you want to.

    That’s damn white of you, Karl, but I’ll pass, thanks just the same.

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  197. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Nobody is talking about "covering" the alt-right like the SPLC or ADL does. We're talking about the context of the recent article at The Atlantic that Steve is obviously studiously ignoring.

    You’re saying it’s simply driven by generalized online harassment of Jewish punditry? Why has the alt-right caused a Jewish flight from white that the conventional anti-Semitism and white nationalism played up by the SPLC and ADL haven’t?

    Perhaps it is the more recent mainstreaming of white privilege rhetoric by leftist Jews that has opened them up to the specific criticism from alt-rights that they preface every castigation of white gentiles with Dear Fellow Whites. Is it any wonder they’re questioning whether playing the Judas goat is still working?

    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap’s self-perception and everything to do with the elites’ strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it’s time to change uniforms to side with the winning team — lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they’ve stoked up in the PoC.

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    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap’s self-perception and everything to do with the elites’ strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it’s time to change uniforms to side with the winning team — lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they’ve stoked up in the PoC.


    Damn, that's some incisive stuff. I'm serious. Kind of makes sense.
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  198. @Anonymous
    You're saying it's simply driven by generalized online harassment of Jewish punditry? Why has the alt-right caused a Jewish flight from white that the conventional anti-Semitism and white nationalism played up by the SPLC and ADL haven't?

    Perhaps it is the more recent mainstreaming of white privilege rhetoric by leftist Jews that has opened them up to the specific criticism from alt-rights that they preface every castigation of white gentiles with Dear Fellow Whites. Is it any wonder they're questioning whether playing the Judas goat is still working?

    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap's self-perception and everything to do with the elites' strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it's time to change uniforms to side with the winning team -- lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they've stoked up in the PoC.

    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap’s self-perception and everything to do with the elites’ strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it’s time to change uniforms to side with the winning team — lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they’ve stoked up in the PoC.

    Damn, that’s some incisive stuff. I’m serious. Kind of makes sense.

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    Thinking about it again though, if they just lost the election they're not really switching to the winning team, are they? Well, they've turned up everyone's anti-white animus up to 11 all election long, so they're distancing themselves from (which is not the same as attacking or defending against) the people they've painted targets on.
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  199. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Leo Frank was by all accounts cretinous. It seems to me quite possible that he did rape and murder that poor little girl. Toss up between him or the black janitor Conley. In any case, lynchings were quite common back then. The white non-jewish man who murdered my great grandmother in 1922 was very nearly lynched by a torch-wielding mob.

    http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.jones/16787/mb.ashx

    Right. Many Whites were lynched, although that isn’t the public perception nowadays.

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  200. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Media elites talking about their flight from white has nothing to do with Jewish Joe Soap’s self-perception and everything to do with the elites’ strategizing. When the fellow whites jig is up, when their non-white causes are on the cusp of being powerful enough to defeat the white gentiles, it’s time to change uniforms to side with the winning team — lest they find themselves the target of the seething anti-whiteness they’ve stoked up in the PoC.


    Damn, that's some incisive stuff. I'm serious. Kind of makes sense.

    Thinking about it again though, if they just lost the election they’re not really switching to the winning team, are they? Well, they’ve turned up everyone’s anti-white animus up to 11 all election long, so they’re distancing themselves from (which is not the same as attacking or defending against) the people they’ve painted targets on.

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    The election was just a battle. The trends are moving in the opposite direction.

    (It was just a battle, although it could yet be turned into a strategic victory that reverses some of those trends.)
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  201. @Anonymous
    Thinking about it again though, if they just lost the election they're not really switching to the winning team, are they? Well, they've turned up everyone's anti-white animus up to 11 all election long, so they're distancing themselves from (which is not the same as attacking or defending against) the people they've painted targets on.

    The election was just a battle. The trends are moving in the opposite direction.

    (It was just a battle, although it could yet be turned into a strategic victory that reverses some of those trends.)

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  202. Thomas says:

    Let’s not forget something: both Trump and Bannon have, by life and career experience, long experience with Jews. The fact that publicly commenting on Jewish accomplishment and prominence in public life is verboten doesn’t mean that intelligent, ambitious, and worldly people who have intimate experience with how things really work in centers of power with large numbers of Jews aren’t going to get the memo.

    I have a feeling that Trump and his campaign has succeeded in various ways by exploiting the cognitive dissonance Steve highlights, with Jewish Narrative-molding working better on themselves than anyone else. The fits and starts towards accusing Trump or Bannon of being some sort of crypto-anti-semite just haven’t stuck. (Anyone remember the six-pointed star?) The pro-Israel shtick, the Jewish son-in-law, the hard line on Muslims, the gay Jew writing for Breitbart, all of it throws a massive “pattern interrupt” in the anti-semite train of thought.

    Also, I believe that American Jewry is, at this point, in a unique and historic identity crisis of its own. Trump likely won the Orthodox vote, and the cleavages between liberal, reform, conservative, or secular American Jews and American Orthodox Jews, or Israelis, is getting wider. It’s possible that the left side of this cleavage is slowly drifting towards assimilation into the rest of liberal America (basically “Democrats with holidays,” as I’ve heard some people snarkily call American Reform Jews), until they’ll basically be just an undifferentiated mass that watches the Daily Show and worries constantly; while the more aggressively and ethnocentrically Jewish orthodox and Israelis embrace tribalism and nationalism in preference over “tikkun olam.”

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  203. snorlax says:
    @Steve Sailer
    You hear about Leo Frank all the time because it allows contemporary Jews to see Jews in the Jim Crow South as fellow victims along with blacks. In reality, Jews in the Jim Crow South tended to be popular members of the local elites who tended to have complementary talents that were appreciated in Southern towns.

    Also the Atlanta synagogue bombing; apparently no injuries and nobody was ever convicted, so I’m wondering if it wasn’t an early hate hoax. Although from the Wiki article it sounds like Occam’s Razor is that the guy who was tried and/or the others who were arrested probably did do it.

    Interesting tidbit: the rabbi was named Rothschild, although it doesn’t say whether he was one of those Rothschilds.

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  204. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.

    At the time, seducing a woman without intent to marry her was seen (justifiably, given the prevailing social mores) as pretty much the same thing as rape.

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  205. Gabriel M says:

    “Tikkun Olam” is phrase that comes up a couple of times in the Talmud and then was re-used in certain strands of mysticism. In neither case does it mean anything resembling its present meaning. I grew up in a traditional Jewish home attending an Orthodox synagogue and Sunday School and I never heard the term till my 20s. I strongly doubt even 15% of Israelis have heard of it.

    There is a wider point here: Reform Judaism is literally a denomination of Liberal Protestantism that is designed to appeal to Jews. Its twist and turns have nothing to do whatsoever with anything Jewish and everything to do with trends within Liberal Protestantism, which it follows slavishly and pathetically. No-one in Israel, excepting a few American olim, thinks Reform is anything other than a sick joke. In England the only people who go to Reform synagogues are intermarriers who need a place for a bar mitzvah.

    Conservative Judaism is different, it’s a heterodox movement, but recognizably a Jewish one. However, it’s really just a concept rather than a real movement (it was once described, accurately enough as “Orthodox Rabbis ans Reform congregants”). In any case the movement is dying and American Jewry is polarizing into its orthodox (i.e. Jewish) and Reform (i.e converso) factions.

    Anyway, the point to bear in mind is that while American Jewry retains certain ethnocentric Jewish traits, the majority of it has – literally – converted to a different religion. This is not the case with Jews in Israel, Britain, France or any other large community. As Isaiah Berlin said, “the syangogue I don’t go to is Orthodox”. (It was the case with German Jews, as well as certain other European communities, but they’re dead).

    It follows that you cannot turn an account of American Jewry, even an accurate and sophisticated one, into a theory of Jewry in general.

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  206. @Dave Pinsen
    Jack D might have been on firmer ground referring to Indian-Americans as a counter example instead: http://www.newsgram.com/indian-americans-are-the-wealthiest-ethnic-group-in-america-says-report/

    Indian-Americans may have higher average incomes than Jewish-Americans (in part because there aren’t many Indian retirees yet), but Jews definitely have the highest wealth in America. Flow vs. stock.

    I don’t mind people sloppily using “wealthiest” to refer to income, but I didn’t use it that way.

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    I don’t mind people sloppily using “wealthiest” to refer to income, but I didn’t use it that way.
     
    Income is change in wealth. Wealth is found on the balance sheet, not the income statement.
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  207. a reader says:

    The antisemitism pervading the media undoubtedly hinders the wider dissemination of this piece of news about Donald Trump’s behavior.

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    As I understand this story, a local girl was going for a swim and Donald Trump jumped in the water and grabbed her pussy. Just more inexcusable behavior by the Donald.
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    @a reader
    The antisemitism pervading the media undoubtedly hinders the wider dissemination of this piece of news about Donald Trump's behavior.

    As I understand this story, a local girl was going for a swim and Donald Trump jumped in the water and grabbed her pussy. Just more inexcusable behavior by the Donald.

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  209. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Now, personally, I find it hard to believe that turning the U.S. into Brazil and Europe into Lebanon is Good for the Jews, especially middle and upper middle class Jews, in the long run, but, hey, what do I know.
     
    Seeing as how Jews were largely responsible for creating the original Brazil, you really shouldn't be surprised that the Jewish community thinks that's the way to go.

    How did Jews create Brazil?

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    How did Jews create Brazil?
     
    Saying that they created Brazil is a bit of an overstatement, but they did play an important role in developing the Brazilian slave-and-sugar trade:

    The first Jewish families arrived in Recife in 1635, when Pernambuco was under Dutch rule, had fewer than 10,000 inhabitants and was the richest Brazilian captaincy. Pursued by the Catholic Inquisition in the Iberian Peninsula, they came attracted by the religious freedom that the Dutch began to settle on land taken from Portugal.

    In Recife, the Jews entered the branch of the trade that would soon dominate: during the rule of Count Maurice of Nassau, for example, they controlled 40% of sugar exports sugar from Pernambuco to the Netherlands and Germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pernambuco#Jews_in_Pernambuco
     

    The history of the Jews in Brazil is a rather long and complex one, as it stretches from the very beginning of the European settlement in the new continent. Jews started settling in Brazil ever since the Inquisition reached Portugal in the 16th century. They arrived in Brazil during the period of Dutch rule, setting up in Recife the first synagogue in the Americas as early as 1636. Most of those Jews were Sephardic Jews who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal to the religious freedom of the Netherlands. Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil’s sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal during the inquisition.[3]

    Brazil >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil
     

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit.

    Brazil.html >http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html

     

    F

    lanked by bustling cafes in downtown Recife on Brazil’s northeastern coast is a little-known treasure of Jewish history in the New World – the oldest synagogue in the Americas.

    Sephardic Jews built the two-story Kahal Zur Israel Synagogue before 1641 – most likely in 1636 – when they enjoyed religious freedom under the Dutch, who ruled part of the northeast region from 1630 to 1654 to control sugar production.[....]

    Their studies are gradually unveiling the prominent role Jews had in early Brazilian society.

    “It challenges the stereotypical view that Brazilian culture is based on a tripod of Portuguese, [native] Indians and Africans,” said Tania Kaufman, head of the Jewish Historical Archive in Recife, the capital of Pernambuco state.

    “We now know Jews were a fundamental part of Brazil’s cultural melting pot.”

    Historical records in Brazil and Amsterdam show Jews helped build the sugar industry, roads, bridges, and a basic sewage system in the northeast. Many also made money by trading slaves.

    At its height in 1645, the Jewish community in Recife counted 1,630 members, the same number as in the thriving Jewish community of Amsterdam, according to Dutch historian Franz Leonard Schalkwijk.

    “The economic dominance of the Jews prompted various protests [from Catholics and Protestants],” wrote Schalkwijk in his book “Church and State in Dutch Brazil.”

    brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058 >http://www.haaretz.com/news/synagogue-in-brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058
     

    Jews played an important role here on Barbados, he explained — and perhaps one far greater than is widely acknowledged. When the Jews first arrived in the 1640s, they were experts in sugar production. Back then, the business of Barbados was sugar, and its fermented byproduct, rum. Which in turn lubricates tourism, the business of Barbados today [.....]

    Meanwhile, Spain had laid claim to the entire New World, including the Caribbean, which the other world powers contested. Holland, and later England, pragmatically allowed “New Christians” (who had wealth, international trade connections and a hatred of Spain) to settle in the colonies they wrested from the Spanish. In Dutch Brazil, the now openly-practicing Jews entered the sugar trade in a big way, and a few even ventured to British-controlled Barbados, whose climate was also suited to sugar. Many more arrived after the Portuguese recaptured Brazil in 1654 — immediately expelling the Jews.


    They called Barbados the land of Coconut Milk and Sugar Cane, and they planned to stay. They built a Synagogue, and a mikvah — the latter only discovered last year in the Synagogue’s parking lot by University of West Indies archaeologist Michael Stoner. (See the mikvah here.) By the mid 1700s, the Jewish community numbered as many as 800. A small number, to be sure, on an island whose population was about 80,000, but the history of the Jewish people is one of outsized influence. Could Barbados be yet another example?[....]

    Hmmm. I thought back to the Nidhe Israel Museum, with its wall-sized timeline of Jewish life from 1600-2000. For 1644 and 1654: “Jews are sugar experts for British settlers.” What was that about?

    This, it seems, stretches back to when the Sephardim were running their sugar plantations in Brazil. Barbados’ most elite planters watched what the Jewish planters were successfully doing in Brazil, and borrowed their technology. For instance, James Drax, an elite Barbadian planter who worked more than 700 acres in Barbados, visited the Sephardic colony in Brazil in 1640, and brought back with him two key innovations: a triple-roller sugar mill for crushing the sugar cane, and copper cauldrons for boiling the cane juice to get crystals, writes Ian Williams in his book Rum. (Nation Books, 2005). Williams credits the Jews for transferring that technology to Barbados, which they likely did as investors in sugar plantations they did not own. Watson’s ledgers show both investments in sugar plantations and certainly, handling the trade in sugar after it was harvested.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-stein-wellner/jewish-barbados-tracking_b_174758.html
     
    , @ben tillman

    How did Jews create Brazil?
     
    I think the general rule is that 15% of a population, working together, can dominate the disorganized 85%. And Jews were probably more than 15% of early Brazilian settlers.
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  210. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    Yes, how dare an innocent man try to pin the murder on the actual murderer? The sheer chutzpah!

    “Yes, how dare an innocent man try to pin the murder on the actual murderer? The sheer chutzpah!”

    You cite one source who claims Frank was innocent. Plenty of people have looked at the case and concluded that Frank was guilty.

    Certainly, Jews have a low murder rate, but do you maintain that jewish people never commit murder? Ever? I guess that Ira Einhorn and David Berkowitz were framed, huh?

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  211. @Anonymous

    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    The Jews started referring to themselves as the Chosen People after the Alt Right picked on them? I did not know that!

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  212. @Jack D
    How would you know that Frank was guilty? I really don't know for sure, but Occam's Razor points to the black janitor and prosecution star witness, Jim Conley, as being the actual murderer. Statistically, uneducated blacks must be dozens of times more likely to commit violent crimes than Jews with engineering degrees from Cornell. Many historians point to Conley as the murderer:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false


    In any case, that should have been left to the legal system and not a lynch mob. Even in Czarist Russia, Mendel Beilis (at virtually the same time) got a fair trial and was not lynched. It doesn't speak well to the American justice system in the South that it was worse than Czarist Russia.

    I don't know what Italians did to provoke lynchings but I can't think of anything that Frank or the (small and well respected) Jewish community of Atlanta did to provoke this. There were Jewish gangsters in northern big cities but nothing like that in Atlanta. There were some allegations that Frank had an eye for the factory girls (which sound like they are a lot more believable than murder) but I assume that whatever went on between them was consensual. If I had to guess, Frank gave Mary her pay envelope plus a little "extra" in return for getting something extra from her and Conley, aware of this and drunk and jealous, killed her in order to get the money. I could see how this would be seen by the Southern public as despoiling the fair flowers of the South, etc. but also reflecting Southern resentment and humiliation that a Yankee (and a Jew to boot) was making 10x as much as a factory girl (and that they were so poor that they had to send their women to work in factories) and was in a position to offer those kind of blandishments. But he didn't deserve to die for that. And in the climate of the time, he was in no position to say, like Congressman Condit, that yes, I shtupped her but I didn't kill her.

    Which black guy committed the Leopold-Loeb murder?

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  213. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    And Stalin just let the Ukrainians starve in place. But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The difference was this - Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther - it was supposed to be the pinnacle of Christian civilization. If the Germans could do this, that means that there is no limit to human depravity, that nothing really separates us from savages with machetes, that 1,000 plus years of Christian teaching had not really taken hold.

    “No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther…..”

    Euler was Swiss.

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  214. @David Davenport
    Let me correct a typo: American hostility to Jews peaked after WWI and in the 1920′s, because the Ku Klux Klan came back to life — the second Klan, as it was called, faded away circa 1880.

    This should be :-— the first Klan, as history books call it, faded away circa 1880.

    /////////////////////////////////////

    Well, sort of. The protestants you speak of – that were so influential up to around the 60′s – no longer exist in their current form. Today’s evangelicals are the descendents of those who kept the faith but lost the (temporal) power during that period.

    In the so-called Red states, I'll bet that most elected official are nominal Protestants still. I'll let Steve break out the spread sheet on that.

    I'll agree that no Protestant preacher have had a big media presence in recent Presidential elections, such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell in Ronnie. R.'s era. Abortion is not quite the top priority it used to be, but homo-gay stuff remains controversial. We've just elected a Prot Pres.and Vice-P. So, have Protestants really lost political power? Or are they re-asserting themselves after hunkering down during the O. era? Ports of 2016 tend to be hipper and less Midwestern Gothic stiff than they used to be, but does that mean that they have less political power?

    Those who lost the faith but kept the power are today’s progressives (according to Moldbug the true inheritors of the protestant tradition you speak of).

    Hillary C. is nominally a Methodist, although not she doesn't seem to do much praying. She lost the election. She didn't keep the power

    .... This Protestant tradition you say I speak of -- I don't follow your meaning here. I never read Moldbug. Tell me what you mean.

    The second Klan was a little bit of both, as the split hadn’t fully happened yet.

    The so-called second Klan, unlike the first, spread beyond the South to states such as Indiana, Ohio, and -- get this -- California. Otherwise, you're right, a little bit of both.

    We’ve just elected a Prot Pres.and Vice-P. So, have Protestants really lost political power?

    We’ll see. As Steve and Moldbug would tell you, the real power is in the megaphone, bureaucracy, and academy, where the kind of traditional protestantism you speak of has been utterly routed. See also: the Supreme Court, which is now imagined to have veto power over anything the seats of power you’re paying attention to can do and which includes exactly zero protestants, believing or otherwise.

    I’ll agree that no Protestant preacher have had a big media presence in recent Presidential elections, such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell in Ronnie. R.’s era.

    He was more evangelical than traditionally protestant anyway. Mainline protestants used to call his kind “fundies” (i.e. fundamentalist) as we looked down our noses at them. This didn’t work out well for us.

    This is what traditional protestant power looks like, and where it went off the rails (i.e. how it lost that power):

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/

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  215. @Steve Sailer
    Indian-Americans may have higher average incomes than Jewish-Americans (in part because there aren't many Indian retirees yet), but Jews definitely have the highest wealth in America. Flow vs. stock.

    I don't mind people sloppily using "wealthiest" to refer to income, but I didn't use it that way.

    I don’t mind people sloppily using “wealthiest” to refer to income, but I didn’t use it that way.

    Income is change in wealth. Wealth is found on the balance sheet, not the income statement.

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  216. In the so-called Red states, I’ll bet that most elected official are nominal Protestants still. I’ll let Steve break out the spread sheet on that.

    Let’s just say that Joel Osteen is no Reinhold Niebuhr.

    https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Man-Immoral-Society-Theological/dp/0664235395

    …. This Protestant tradition you say I speak of — I don’t follow your meaning here. I never read Moldbug. Tell me what you mean.

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/ultracalvinist-hypothesis-in.html

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  217. guest says:
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    I think that there are quite a few aspects of your article that are unnecessarily tendentious.
     
    The main thrust of the article, that Jews are voluntarily "piling on" to the "Flight from White," is tendentious. For understandable reasons, Steve can't help being tendentious on this point. He can't bring himself to say anything that might be perceived as critical of the alt-right and doesn't want to poke the alt-right hornet's nest, and thus he can't point out the obvious fact that any sort of supposed "Flight from White" by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like "Are Jews White?" When Jews are relentlessly harassed online, and when alt-rightists saying to them that they're not white is among the tamest things they're harassed with, then obviously Jews will react and begin to question themselves.

    By the way, Jews don’t care about alt-right keyboard Nazis. Please. That’s their bread and butter.

    They care about losing the Diversity Sweepstakes. That’s what this is all about. They’ve painted themselves into the HMIC (head minority in charge) corner, and can’t get out. One escape hatch would be if they could run white people, which is part of what they were doing with neoconservatism. Trump makes that less likely, therefore he’s Hitler.

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  218. @Svigor

    any sort of supposed “Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?”
     
    Seems a bit tendentious, as the Jews' flight from White long predates the existence of the alt-right. As for the harassment, it's trollery. I read an extensive article on this in the Jewish press (linked by another author at Unz), and it was all funny shit (e.g., a Trump's head photoshopped onto a Nazi's body, Trump pulling the lever on a gas chamber, etc.). There were quite a few examples, all of them in this style. If that's all they could find, that means that's all there was. Kristallnacht, it ain't.

    When Jews are relentlessly harassed online
     
    Mocked. Relentlessly mocked.

    I'm sure I have a pea around here, somewhere. Shall I put it under thy mattress, princess?

    Trump pulling the lever on a gas chamber

    If my relatives had died in an actual gas chamber, which was preceded by a decade of so of “jokes” such as those you mention, which weren’t taken seriously at the time, I might fail to find the humor in such jokes today.

    It’s both mockery and harassment, some at the same time.

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    I agree with you that the references are in bad taste, but are you aware of the existence of any gas-chamber jokes from the early (or late) thirties?

    In any case I don't think the "alt-right" (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.
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  219. guest says:
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    "“Flight from White” by Jews has been driven by the rise of the alt-right and its harassment of Jews online, especially of the Jewish journalists and media figures who end up writing articles like “Are Jews White?”"

    That is ridiculous and non-causal. Practically nobody had even heard of the "Alt-Right" a year ago. They were virtually unknown to the mainstream media. If they had heard of them then, then everyone would have heard of them, seeing as they control the megaphone. The "flight from white" has been going on for some time - long before there even was such a thing as a self-identified "alt-right".

    Damn straight. Alt-right just zoomed in to fill the blank nameplate they’re always putting in front of the misty, impossible to define Thing Which Stands in the Way of Progress.

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  220. @syonredux

    More likely, however, is that Jews will pile onto the ongoing Flight from White. The Atlantic is currently asking “Are Jews White?” The Obama Administration appears to be close to declaring Israelis to be eligible for the benefits of nonwhiteness as it concocts a Middle Eastern North African census category.

     

    Looking forward to the moment when Bar Refaeli is officially declared a Woman of Color


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mtPS6BsJU

    Canada currently has minority classifications based on both nationality and geographic location. Though Bar Refaeli would not be able to check the Arab/West Asian box because one has to be “non white in skin colour and/or non-Caucasian” to be a visible minority. Similarly a White Latino could not, in theory, check the Latin American box as they would be White. Perhaps the US census should put this disclaimer in, while keeping affirmative action limited to direct black slave descendants and American Indians. Even though my preference would be for no AA at all.

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    Perhaps the US census should put this disclaimer in, while keeping affirmative action limited to direct black slave descendants and American Indians. Even though my preference would be for no AA at all.
     
    Yeah, in an ideal world, there would be no AA. However, if we have to have it, it should be limited to native-born Blacks and Amerinds.
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  221. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius

    Trump pulling the lever on a gas chamber
     
    If my relatives had died in an actual gas chamber, which was preceded by a decade of so of "jokes" such as those you mention, which weren't taken seriously at the time, I might fail to find the humor in such jokes today.

    It's both mockery and harassment, some at the same time.

    I agree with you that the references are in bad taste, but are you aware of the existence of any gas-chamber jokes from the early (or late) thirties?

    In any case I don’t think the “alt-right” (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.

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    In any case I don’t think the “alt-right” (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.
     
    I'd say it might prevent positive change by exacerbating their hyper-sensitivity/giving them an excuse to cling to it.
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  222. @Romanian
    Very good article. In the interest of fairness, I am also looking forward to the follow-ups - Will Trump be good for the Romanians?, Will Trump be good for the Armenians?, Will Trump be good for the Czechs?, Will Trump be good for the Yoruba? Does Jewish privilege also extend to Mr. Sailer's attention? :)

    Haha, will Trump be good for the Romanians? I have a feeling he won’t be good for the Ukrainians and the Baltics, but Romania seems safely far enough away from Putin’s ambitions. Just don’t get stupid and fulfill the Moldovans’ dreams of unification.

    Steve won’t write such an article, though, as indeed this one wasn’t about whether Trump will be good for the Jews (an interesting question I hope we’ll explore soon, and my answer is Yes). Instead, and disappointingly, this article was the umpteenth reprise of Steve’s obsession with Jewish wealth and influence.

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    I am usually highly critical of Sailer's commentary on Jews, but I thought this was a good piece, free of petty sleights, with a solid factual basis and not bringing Israel into it.

    You could criticize the piece for not really getting to the causal mechanisms beneath the reality Sailer is describing, but for causal mechanism you go elsewhere anyway. Steve Sailer, and I hope he does not take this as a criticism, is where you go for the what, not for the why. That's fine, it's not like there's a massive surplus of other commentators noticing things.

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  223. utu says:
    @Jack D
    And Stalin just let the Ukrainians starve in place. But only organizational geniuses like the Germans could ship people thousands of miles (sometimes all the way from the Greek Islands) just in order to kill them.

    The difference was this - Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint. But German was the land of Beethoven and Goethe, of Euler and Luther - it was supposed to be the pinnacle of Christian civilization. If the Germans could do this, that means that there is no limit to human depravity, that nothing really separates us from savages with machetes, that 1,000 plus years of Christian teaching had not really taken hold.

    When writing about Stalin and pre-Stalin murders in Soviet Russia one should at least mention the role of Jews in the murders. Certainly they were not victims but the perpetrators.

    STALIN’S WILLING EXECUTIONERS, JEWS AS A HOSTILE ELITE IN THE USSR
    The Jewish Century
    Yuri Slezkine
    Reviewed by Kevin MacDonald

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/slezkinerev.pdf

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    The line between perpetrators and victims in Stalin's Soviet Union was an ever shifting one, so many perps became victims in turn.
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  224. res says:
    @Jack D
    As I understand this story, a local girl was going for a swim and Donald Trump jumped in the water and grabbed her pussy. Just more inexcusable behavior by the Donald.

    And he called her mother names!

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  225. Gabriel M says:
    @International Jew
    Haha, will Trump be good for the Romanians? I have a feeling he won't be good for the Ukrainians and the Baltics, but Romania seems safely far enough away from Putin's ambitions. Just don't get stupid and fulfill the Moldovans' dreams of unification.

    Steve won't write such an article, though, as indeed this one wasn't about whether Trump will be good for the Jews (an interesting question I hope we'll explore soon, and my answer is Yes). Instead, and disappointingly, this article was the umpteenth reprise of Steve's obsession with Jewish wealth and influence.

    I am usually highly critical of Sailer’s commentary on Jews, but I thought this was a good piece, free of petty sleights, with a solid factual basis and not bringing Israel into it.

    You could criticize the piece for not really getting to the causal mechanisms beneath the reality Sailer is describing, but for causal mechanism you go elsewhere anyway. Steve Sailer, and I hope he does not take this as a criticism, is where you go for the what, not for the why. That’s fine, it’s not like there’s a massive surplus of other commentators noticing things.

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  226. At lunch, I overheard a couple of New York Jews talking about Trump. They were spouting the standard line: America will be unrecognizable after the Nazi-in-Chief and his army of white supremacists take over; it will take a hundred years to fix the damage that he’s going to do to this country.

    “Well, there’s always Israel,” one of them said as he left.

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    “Well, there’s always Israel,” one of them said as he left.
     
    These days, I have a standard answer for my fellow Jews when they ask me why I voted for Trump. I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they've been good to us and America is the only country they have.
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  227. @utu
    When writing about Stalin and pre-Stalin murders in Soviet Russia one should at least mention the role of Jews in the murders. Certainly they were not victims but the perpetrators.

    STALIN’S WILLING EXECUTIONERS, JEWS AS A HOSTILE ELITE IN THE USSR
    The Jewish Century
    Yuri Slezkine
    Reviewed by Kevin MacDonald
    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/slezkinerev.pdf

    The line between perpetrators and victims in Stalin’s Soviet Union was an ever shifting one, so many perps became victims in turn.

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    Think of Stalin's bodyguard Karl Paulker, who used to crack Stalin up by imitating Zinoviev begging for his life, himself only to be executed a year after Zinoviev. Both well-deserving Jews, incidentally.
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  228. Svigor says:

    If my relatives had died in an actual gas chamber, which was preceded by a decade of so of “jokes” such as those you mention, which weren’t taken seriously at the time, I might fail to find the humor in such jokes today.

    It’s both mockery and harassment, some at the same time.

    It’s not harassment. It’s counter-harassment. Anti-Euro Jews in Big Media browbeat the masses, the Euro masses browbeat them back. Playing the fiddle about the counter-harassment is an attempt at counter-counter-harassment. Maybe if they’d had some of this back-and-forth in the Weimar Republic, Hitler wouldn’t have taken power. Jews know this stuff is all theater, they’re the “iconoclastic” “irreverent” “chutzpah” etc. people, remember? Bit late for them to switch to sanctimony now.

    Some innocent Jews get caught in the crossfire, of course, but that’s been true of innocent Euros on the receiving end of the harassment, too. Keeping one’s co-ethnics in line is a good way to avoid this stuff.

    The difference was this – Stalin, the Rwandans, they were brutes. No one had any expectation of civilized behavior from them and they did not disappoint.

    You write as if treading a minefield. Stalin, in place of “the Russians,” I mean. But who expected civilized behavior from Hitler?

    And almost all the Bolshevik leadership, secret police and camp commandants were Jews.

    Yeah but who ever had any expectation of civilized behavior from the Jews?

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  229. Svigor says:

    Playing the fiddle about the counter-harassment is an attempt at counter-counter-harassment.

    Or, perhaps more accurately, an attempt at more harassment.

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  230. syonredux says:
    @Perspective
    Canada currently has minority classifications based on both nationality and geographic location. Though Bar Refaeli would not be able to check the Arab/West Asian box because one has to be "non white in skin colour and/or non-Caucasian" to be a visible minority. Similarly a White Latino could not, in theory, check the Latin American box as they would be White. Perhaps the US census should put this disclaimer in, while keeping affirmative action limited to direct black slave descendants and American Indians. Even though my preference would be for no AA at all.

    Perhaps the US census should put this disclaimer in, while keeping affirmative action limited to direct black slave descendants and American Indians. Even though my preference would be for no AA at all.

    Yeah, in an ideal world, there would be no AA. However, if we have to have it, it should be limited to native-born Blacks and Amerinds.

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  231. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    How did Jews create Brazil?

    How did Jews create Brazil?

    Saying that they created Brazil is a bit of an overstatement, but they did play an important role in developing the Brazilian slave-and-sugar trade:

    The first Jewish families arrived in Recife in 1635, when Pernambuco was under Dutch rule, had fewer than 10,000 inhabitants and was the richest Brazilian captaincy. Pursued by the Catholic Inquisition in the Iberian Peninsula, they came attracted by the religious freedom that the Dutch began to settle on land taken from Portugal.

    In Recife, the Jews entered the branch of the trade that would soon dominate: during the rule of Count Maurice of Nassau, for example, they controlled 40% of sugar exports sugar from Pernambuco to the Netherlands and Germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pernambuco#Jews_in_Pernambuco

    The history of the Jews in Brazil is a rather long and complex one, as it stretches from the very beginning of the European settlement in the new continent. Jews started settling in Brazil ever since the Inquisition reached Portugal in the 16th century. They arrived in Brazil during the period of Dutch rule, setting up in Recife the first synagogue in the Americas as early as 1636. Most of those Jews were Sephardic Jews who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal to the religious freedom of the Netherlands. Adam Smith attributed much of the development of Brazil’s sugar industry and cultivation to the arrival of Portuguese Jews who were forced out of Portugal during the inquisition.[3]

    Brazil >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    When the Inquisition in Portugal took hold in 1497, Jews fled to places throughout the world, including Brazil. They arrived in Brazil primarily as New Christians or Conversos (Jews converted to Christianity), but many secretly practiced Judaism and began a colonization drive to settle on the land. Despite continued persecution by the Brazilian Inquisition, the New Christians successfully established sugar plantations and mills. By 1624, approximately 50,000 Europeans lived in Brazil, with New Christians making up a significant percentage. They were businessmen, importers, exporters, teachers, writers poets, even priests. In that same year, Dutch forces arrived in Brazil, taking over portions of northeast Brazil. Dutch tolerance allowed for Jewish migration and the open practice of religion. In 1636, Jews built the Kahal Zur synagogue in the Dutch capital of Recife.

    In Dutch Brazil, Jews flourished in the sugar industry, tax farming and slave trade. Jews often purchased slaves and resold them at great profit.

    Brazil.html >http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Brazil.html

    F

    lanked by bustling cafes in downtown Recife on Brazil’s northeastern coast is a little-known treasure of Jewish history in the New World – the oldest synagogue in the Americas.

    Sephardic Jews built the two-story Kahal Zur Israel Synagogue before 1641 – most likely in 1636 – when they enjoyed religious freedom under the Dutch, who ruled part of the northeast region from 1630 to 1654 to control sugar production.[....]

    Their studies are gradually unveiling the prominent role Jews had in early Brazilian society.

    “It challenges the stereotypical view that Brazilian culture is based on a tripod of Portuguese, [native] Indians and Africans,” said Tania Kaufman, head of the Jewish Historical Archive in Recife, the capital of Pernambuco state.

    “We now know Jews were a fundamental part of Brazil’s cultural melting pot.”

    Historical records in Brazil and Amsterdam show Jews helped build the sugar industry, roads, bridges, and a basic sewage system in the northeast. Many also made money by trading slaves.

    At its height in 1645, the Jewish community in Recife counted 1,630 members, the same number as in the thriving Jewish community of Amsterdam, according to Dutch historian Franz Leonard Schalkwijk.

    “The economic dominance of the Jews prompted various protests [from Catholics and Protestants],” wrote Schalkwijk in his book “Church and State in Dutch Brazil.”

    brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058 >http://www.haaretz.com/news/synagogue-in-brazilian-town-recife-considered-oldest-in-the-americas-1.233058

    Jews played an important role here on Barbados, he explained — and perhaps one far greater than is widely acknowledged. When the Jews first arrived in the 1640s, they were experts in sugar production. Back then, the business of Barbados was sugar, and its fermented byproduct, rum. Which in turn lubricates tourism, the business of Barbados today [.....]

    Meanwhile, Spain had laid claim to the entire New World, including the Caribbean, which the other world powers contested. Holland, and later England, pragmatically allowed “New Christians” (who had wealth, international trade connections and a hatred of Spain) to settle in the colonies they wrested from the Spanish. In Dutch Brazil, the now openly-practicing Jews entered the sugar trade in a big way, and a few even ventured to British-controlled Barbados, whose climate was also suited to sugar. Many more arrived after the Portuguese recaptured Brazil in 1654 — immediately expelling the Jews.

    They called Barbados the land of Coconut Milk and Sugar Cane, and they planned to stay. They built a Synagogue, and a mikvah — the latter only discovered last year in the Synagogue’s parking lot by University of West Indies archaeologist Michael Stoner. (See the mikvah here.) By the mid 1700s, the Jewish community numbered as many as 800. A small number, to be sure, on an island whose population was about 80,000, but the history of the Jewish people is one of outsized influence. Could Barbados be yet another example?[....]

    Hmmm. I thought back to the Nidhe Israel Museum, with its wall-sized timeline of Jewish life from 1600-2000. For 1644 and 1654: “Jews are sugar experts for British settlers.” What was that about?

    This, it seems, stretches back to when the Sephardim were running their sugar plantations in Brazil. Barbados’ most elite planters watched what the Jewish planters were successfully doing in Brazil, and borrowed their technology. For instance, James Drax, an elite Barbadian planter who worked more than 700 acres in Barbados, visited the Sephardic colony in Brazil in 1640, and brought back with him two key innovations: a triple-roller sugar mill for crushing the sugar cane, and copper cauldrons for boiling the cane juice to get crystals, writes Ian Williams in his book Rum. (Nation Books, 2005). Williams credits the Jews for transferring that technology to Barbados, which they likely did as investors in sugar plantations they did not own. Watson’s ledgers show both investments in sugar plantations and certainly, handling the trade in sugar after it was harvested.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alison-stein-wellner/jewish-barbados-tracking_b_174758.html

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  232. @Anon
    I agree with you that the references are in bad taste, but are you aware of the existence of any gas-chamber jokes from the early (or late) thirties?

    In any case I don't think the "alt-right" (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.

    In any case I don’t think the “alt-right” (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.

    I’d say it might prevent positive change by exacerbating their hyper-sensitivity/giving them an excuse to cling to it.

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    A point well illustrated in the Twitter arc of David Frum.
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  233. @Desiderius

    In any case I don’t think the “alt-right” (scare quotes because ill defined) and the neo-Nazi fringe are influential enough to change the self-image of many Jews.
     
    I'd say it might prevent positive change by exacerbating their hyper-sensitivity/giving them an excuse to cling to it.

    A point well illustrated in the Twitter arc of David Frum.

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  234. @Steve Sailer
    The line between perpetrators and victims in Stalin's Soviet Union was an ever shifting one, so many perps became victims in turn.

    Think of Stalin’s bodyguard Karl Paulker, who used to crack Stalin up by imitating Zinoviev begging for his life, himself only to be executed a year after Zinoviev. Both well-deserving Jews, incidentally.

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  235. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    irrelevant to real modern political life

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.
    Hence so much effort on the part of Nazis to deny and revise.

    The Holocaust is one of the major obstacles, if not the major one, to the propagation of Nazism.

    Where, exactly, do you expect to see Nationalsozialismus become a major political movement?

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  236. LondonBob says:

    Funny just watched War Dogs and the first episode of Billions on the plane, two stories based on real swindles. How many people notice though?

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  237. @Stan Adams
    At lunch, I overheard a couple of New York Jews talking about Trump. They were spouting the standard line: America will be unrecognizable after the Nazi-in-Chief and his army of white supremacists take over; it will take a hundred years to fix the damage that he's going to do to this country.

    "Well, there's always Israel," one of them said as he left.

    “Well, there’s always Israel,” one of them said as he left.

    These days, I have a standard answer for my fellow Jews when they ask me why I voted for Trump. I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they’ve been good to us and America is the only country they have.

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    I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they’ve been good to us and America is the only country they have.
     
    Spoken like a true mensch.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'm curious how they respond because hostility, not sympathy, to the interests of the goyim seems to be the prevailing animating spirit. But your sentiment is not unappreciated.
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  238. @International Jew

    “Well, there’s always Israel,” one of them said as he left.
     
    These days, I have a standard answer for my fellow Jews when they ask me why I voted for Trump. I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they've been good to us and America is the only country they have.

    I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they’ve been good to us and America is the only country they have.

    Spoken like a true mensch.

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  239. @BRF
    Jewish Farmer.
    Joel Salatin? entertaining writer and farmer from Virginia.

    https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Want-Do-Illegal-Stories/dp/0963810952

    Pollan’s book makes it fairly clear Joel Salatin is an evangelical Christian, although one Pollan suffers to survive. And even if Salatin was Jewish, could he be said to be a farmer? As I understand from certain sources, Polyface Farms has rarely, if ever, shown a profit from agriculture alone–Salatin’s public speaking fees and book royalties are what keep the thing afloat.

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  240. @Anonymous
    How did Jews create Brazil?

    How did Jews create Brazil?

    I think the general rule is that 15% of a population, working together, can dominate the disorganized 85%. And Jews were probably more than 15% of early Brazilian settlers.

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  241. @International Jew

    “Well, there’s always Israel,” one of them said as he left.
     
    These days, I have a standard answer for my fellow Jews when they ask me why I voted for Trump. I tell them I did it out of sympathy for the goyim because they've been good to us and America is the only country they have.

    I’m curious how they respond because hostility, not sympathy, to the interests of the goyim seems to be the prevailing animating spirit. But your sentiment is not unappreciated.

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    Alas I haven't seen any conversions on the road to Damascus yet, but I've made some people think.
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  242. donut says:
    @iffen
    The nut part is the essential, right?

    No , actually it’s not , while it may be a significant part of my makeup the “essential” part is the ability to smell the stink of betrayal . As I believed we have been betrayed by Trump . But time will tell . Right ?

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    But time will tell . Right ?

    Yes, hope springs eternal. We know Clinton would have been more of the same, only worse.
    Trump is just a shot in the dark.
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  243. donut says:
    @donut
    Just out of curiosity ? Does anybody here know an American Jew that is a farmer ? And I don't mean owning a factory farm with working class white people and a 1000 imported South of the border types slaving away for it's profit . Do any of the commenters here know a Jew that ever put his smooth hands to the plow and wrenched a living from the earth by means of his own efforts ? I bet not . But everyone here that lives in an urban center knows dozens of Jews concentrated in certain professions and demanding our submission .

    Is the answer no then ?

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  244. “…Now the trumpet summons us again — not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are — but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, “rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation” — a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

    Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind?

    Will you join in that historic effort?

    In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger.

    I do not shrink from this responsibility — I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation.

    The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it — and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.”

    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not is Trump good for the Jews — ask are the Jews good for Trump.

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  245. iffen says:
    @donut
    No , actually it's not , while it may be a significant part of my makeup the "essential" part is the ability to smell the stink of betrayal . As I believed we have been betrayed by Trump . But time will tell . Right ?

    But time will tell . Right ?

    Yes, hope springs eternal. We know Clinton would have been more of the same, only worse.
    Trump is just a shot in the dark.

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  246. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'm curious how they respond because hostility, not sympathy, to the interests of the goyim seems to be the prevailing animating spirit. But your sentiment is not unappreciated.

    Alas I haven’t seen any conversions on the road to Damascus yet, but I’ve made some people think.

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