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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Ta-Nehisi Coates: “All Is Fog”
by Steve Sailer
October 25, 2017

Which trait most accounts for the spectacular career of Ta-Nehisi Coates, The Atlantic’s race blogger–turned–intellectual superstar?

Coates, widely assumed to be America’s foremost public thinker, has published yet another best-seller: We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy. In his new $28 book, Coates reprints his old magazine articles that The Atlantic had given away for free, sandwiched between what he enticingly labels “extended blog posts” about what kind of mood he was in when he wrote each article.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. jim jones says:

    Saudi Arabia says it is planning a revolutionary new city, Coates should have been consulted about the promo video as most of the people are White:

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    This is really interesting stuff, and I suspect anyone who claims to know what to make of it is faking. After some puzzlement, my initial take is that this is a genuinely bold move to save the House of Saud and to forge a path that will make Islam (some sort of "moderate", but even more overtly hedonistic, Islam) into the genuine religion of some Brave New World.
    Maybe quasi-SJW globalism and "moderate" Islam could actually merge. Obviously, anyone who frequents "dissident right" websites is aware that people routinely puzzle over the bizarre alliance between SJW's and Islam, despite the obvious incompatibilities. But maybe this is an actual attempt to overcome the differences.
    On one level, this might seem like overthinking, since this strikes me more directly as a bold attempt to save the House of Saud from obliteration. But necessity is often the mother of invention.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    They're creating a Singapore-SF crossbreed. Probably, they plan to extract rents from innovation to replace their rents from their perishable natural resource.

    I doubt it'll work out. As it happens, as I was watching their NEOM promo video showing beautiful coral reeves, there was a travel program on in the background with a guy tiptoeing across the beach in Abu Dhabi into the sea and complaining "the sand is too hot and the water is... not refreshing."

    I detect a lot of realestate promotion there... There's tremendous, tremendous opportunity there. And the designs are the best, just the best. You're going to be amazed how big the city is. It'll be huuuuuuge!
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  2. Clyde says:

    Repackaging to sell free stuff he wrote for The Atlantic? Some old Stones and Beatles albums have been resold 10-15 times in different formats. And each time around there is a new crop of suckers to buy them. There are some exotic audio formats out there such as Sacd.

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    There are some exotic audio formats out there such as Sacd.
     
    Sacd is pretty old. Go here to keep up:

    http://www.realhd-audio.com

    I agree the "remastered" Beatles library was a scam. The first album was a shit mess, that I had attributed to a shitteous recording of the tracks. Rereleased "remixes" of them prove they were salvageable after all. Wasn't that lucky?

    I think the next "remix of the remaster" of the entire series will be what should have been released originally. The re-released "remastered remix" of the "remaster" of Beatles 1 was well done-finally-and gives a hint of what to expect for the "remix of the remaster" series that is sure to come by next year.

    Support for the contention that the remastered release of the Beatles library was a scam can be found via a casual listen to the "Naked" album, which sounded far better than the later "remastered" album with the same tracks.

    Again, the latest re-mixed "Beatles 1" album will give you a taste of the Beatles remixed and remastered correctly. It's the best "remixed" album out there, and I'm sure the rest of the library will follow.
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  3. Being poorly experienced, dreamy, overly sensitive/self-reflective, Ta Nehisi-Coates is the ideal character in our age of “antiquarianism” (love this term) and narcissism. (I just happend to imagine a multi-coloured Rolls-Royce with a “Ta” instead of the “Emily” as “Spirit of Ecstasy”…

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    The dawning of the Age of Antiquarius.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Observations:

    1. Ta-Genius Coates's writing style is relatively literate in a New Yorker/NPR kind of way. By contrast, the substance of his writings is largely dreary, Leftist party line, with only one subject - being black. (Or "Blackety-blackety-blackety-black" as the Derb put it.)

    2. TGC expressly disclaims having memories of many major life events and personal impressions.

    3. Instead, the "antiquarian" approach allows him to recycle material from books written by others.

    Hypothesis:

    TGC is a front man of unassailable race fronting for Deep State interests (hence genius grant). His books and articles are ghostwritten.

    As the Obama biographies showed, it is risky for a ghostwriter to delve into personal details that could be falsified by contemporary observers. Also, writing personal stories would require the ghostwriter to interact extensively with the subject/purported author.

    For the ghostwriter, it is much easier to claim amnesia for his/her subject, and to simply base writings on library books. A fancy name like "antiquarian" helps make this scam seem more sophisticated than it is.
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  4. Jake says:

    “the point is that, no matter what blacks inflict upon one another, white people are to blame.”

    And almost all blacks and white Liberals believe the same thing.

    That being the case, unless those blacks and white Liberals demand that the poor innocent blacks be separated from the whites who cause all their pain and turmoil, they themselves enable all that happens to blacks because of racism.

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Black nationalists are already there, of course. White Leftists are still too married to integrationism. But as more blacks and Leftists buy into “whites are irredeemably racist”, we may see more support for separation.
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  5. Clyde says:

    These two thrilling yarns have rocketed Coates to near the top of the college speaker circuit, where he makes up to $1,000 per minute on the nights when he can’t think of enough to say about White Supremacy to fulfill his contractual minimum speech length of 75 minutes.

    Very easy if 75 minutes includes the question and answer period. I have to think it does. I know that if I ran out of gas after 20 minutes I would open up to questions and bounce off them.

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  6. 22pp22 says:

    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn’t like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy’s wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    That kind of tenderness for the usually intellectually devoid recipients of Affirmative Action and its indirect consequences only allows it to get more entrenched.

    If nobody ever tells the truth about The Emperor's New Clothes, only the conmen win.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Not a worthy foe, but a cheap thrill is a good thrill.
    , @27 year old
    > this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    A toddler from the enemy tribe, which is satisfying in a time of war.

    (cue boomer cuck pearl clutching replies)

    Anyway, great skewering, Steve. Normies and non-based "conservatives" who have never heard of Tenesee Cots need to see this stuff so they learn that they can dismiss anything he says out of hand and ridicule any swpl nerd that mentions TNC.
    , @Verymuchalive
    I must completely disagree. Coates is a fashionable, famous "cultural" figure. In reality, he is a shallow, wrongheaded, not very bright individual. It would be very easy to mock and disparage.
    What Mr Steve does is something much cleverer and more difficult. He places Coates in his social and historical setting - during the 50 year reign of goodwhites in America - and then performs a character dissection of Coates. I was going to say forensic character dissection - such is the quality.
    It is without doubt one of Mr Sailer's finest pieces. Mr Sailer has cut open a man using only pen and paper and shown us the man's soul.
    In recent years, the only comparison would be Gregory Hood's character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please ). Whilst Hood's piece is very good, Mr Steve's is even better, due to his careful delineation of fine detail.
    Mr Unz, file under Classic Articles.
    , @Thea
    Look at it another way. He is lambasting the MSM that elevated the toddler-minded Coates to such lofty heights.
    , @Father O'Hara
    If dishonest drivel like this isn't confronted and attacked,it will only grow. If not by SS,then who?
    Kick away,Dear Leader!
    , @oddsbodkins
    "... but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler."

    Tea-Nazi Coates is Chauncey Gardiner. He is an intellectual toddler that the cultural left insists is delivering major-league performances. They are the ones who elevated him to this level of play, and who pay him major-league salary.

    It's difficult to think of a more insulting thing that Goodwhites could do to competent black thinkers than to constantly overlook them in favor of this fool.
    , @AndrewR
    While Sailer's intellect certainly dwarfs Coates' (although that's not saying that much), your analogy falls flat. Kicking a toddler would be justified if that toddler had a knife, had been trained how to stab people, and were intent on stabbing you. Even more so if other toddlers were also trying to stab you.

    Coates is dumb but dangerous.

    , @DCThrowback
    lol at 22pp22 thinking Alabama has to play Auburn or LSU every week.

    Listen, one of the ways we know Bama is great is they can name their scores versus the weakest of opposition. Don't worry Florida International, you'll do better when you play North Texas!
    , @SMK
    Yes, when the U.S. is a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority, ultimately a smaller minority than blacks, Steve Sailer will be "remembered as a thinker of note" and T. Coates will be forgotten by everyone!
    , @Joe Sweet
    All those who won't abide abuse of current year James Baldwin should consider busting out their Ta-Napsleepy Cots and taking a little rest.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I disagree. Coates and his literary cult are doing real damage to the body politic (as well as personal relationships--see previous comments on iSteve).

    The sooner people stop paying attention to Coates the better.
    , @guest
    I used to think your way of Vox Day's feud with John Scalzi. Though that situation is different because, despite his many shortcomings, Scalzi has achieved more in the realm of science fiction than Tennessee Coates ever will in the field of anything. Also, Steve doesn't have a feud with Coates, because there's no back-and-forth.

    But Scalzi so perfectly fits the points Vox likes to make about gamma males and SJWs that--like Voltaire said about God--if he didn't exist, Vox would have to invent him. If Tennessee Coates didn't exist, Steve wouldn't have to invent him, but he'd have to pick another underqualified affirmative action intellectual off the shelf.

    It's an important point to make: that these fellas exist and not only are their writings published, they're fawned over. Says a lot you need to know about Current Year Western civilization. Steve is a good man to make the point, and Coates is the perfect example.

    , @Bill
    The economist George Stigler wrote an essay called "A certain Galbraith in an uncertain age," which is parallel. Galbraith was an intellectually lazy but popular clown, and Stigler was a towering intellect (largely unknown outside economics). Stigler condescended to kicking around the toddler as Steve does here and with a similar bemused humor. In another essay (or maybe in that one, I don't recall), Stigler argues forcefully that it is an unpleasant obligation of non-nitwits to point out the nitwittery of nitwits as a kind of social hygiene.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Actually, Steve Sailor's activities have actually made it to the Presidential elections on national television. I refer you to Steve's Vdare article on 'Bush is smarter than Kerry' when W. was running in 2000. I saw the NBC reporter Tom Brokaw ask Kerry about the Vdare article on the Sunday NBC news.
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  7. ” Yet, if you actually know more intellectual history than Beck does, then it’s hard to be quite so confident when pondering the purported centrality of the Frankfurt School.”
    Someone who knows a lot more intellectual history than Beck is Professor Paul Gottfried, who thinks the post 1968 left is essentially a product of Jurgen Habermas and other post-war German thinkers. It has very little to do with the Frankfort School. It may be classed as post-Marxist, rather than Marxist.
    I do hope Prof Gottfried has time to write a book on the subject. His books on intellectual history are always interesting and informative.

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    Habermas is of great importance in contemporary academia. Though not formally associated with the Institute, he had vlose connections with some if its members.
    , @Vinteuil
    Got my B.A. in philosophy at U.C. Berkeley in 1987, if I recall correctly.

    It would be impossible to exaggerate the prestige enjoyed at the time by Adorno & Horkheimer & the other Marxist mandarins - horrible little pricks that they all were.
    , @whoever
    Along those lines, I was surprised that in the post about why blacks have bodies and not souls anymore, even though Sailor illustrated it with the cover of Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk, nobody brought up the fact that Du Bois was just riffing off Seeleleben and Volksseele, concepts which he got from his German mentors -- including Gustav von Schmoller and Adolf Wagner and those who influenced them, scholars such as Ludwig Schemann, and through him J.G Herder with his concept of the Volksgeist.
    Du Bois was immersed in the thought-world of such men as Paul Legarde, Friedrich Ratzel, Ernst Troeltsch, Wilhelm Wundt, Leo Frobenius, and Georg Simmel, among others. Ratzel's theories, in particular, permeate The Souls of Black Folk.
    Du Bois applied these German thinkers' ideas to the race situation in America, and was profoundly influential in his time, but the ultimate result seems to have been that Sam & Dave had a hit singing I'm a Soul Man, composer Isaac Hayes apparently believing that "soul" as used by blacks had something to do with the Bible and Passover.
    People do forget.
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  8. benjaminl says:

    About Adorno: Steve mentions his hatred of guitar music specifically, but also highly relevant is Adorno’s hatred of jazz. Black, American jazz.

    I remember decades ago being in a university and having earnest discussions about Adorno’s “take” on jazz, but at that time, these earnest discussions were conducted at an entirely abstract level, concerning Subjectivity and Capitalism and the Administration of Consciousness.

    Now, it would probably just be a race to see who can denounce him the fastest for being a Racist Fascist Hitler. Yes, I know that calling Adorno a Nazi is idiotically ironic, but I’m sure that somewhere, someone is woke enough to do that soon, if they haven’t already.

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  9. Jake says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    That kind of tenderness for the usually intellectually devoid recipients of Affirmative Action and its indirect consequences only allows it to get more entrenched.

    If nobody ever tells the truth about The Emperor’s New Clothes, only the conmen win.

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  10. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    Not a worthy foe, but a cheap thrill is a good thrill.

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  11. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    > this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    A toddler from the enemy tribe, which is satisfying in a time of war.

    (cue boomer cuck pearl clutching replies)

    Anyway, great skewering, Steve. Normies and non-based “conservatives” who have never heard of Tenesee Cots need to see this stuff so they learn that they can dismiss anything he says out of hand and ridicule any swpl nerd that mentions TNC.

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  12. dearieme says:

    “Read the whole thing there.”

    I trust you refer to your column rather than Mr Ta-Nothanks Coates’s drivel.

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  13. In the matter of Too-Too-Tootsie Coates, one doesn’t know weather [sic] to laugh or to cry. Just mark it down to low IQ and make an attempt to be forgiving or compassionate as one would be with any other helpless retard that one might trip over in the street. (OT : Coates’ true White father, NY Yankee pitcher Jim Coates, failed to cover 1B on an infield grounder late in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. Yes, ALL IS FOG. It could happen to anyone of us if we drank half a bottle of bourbon within the space of 15 minutes).

    But with Glenn Beck, now there’s a delicate case right there. That train wreck is just a bad-hair-day away from an act of irreversible suicide.

    Remember the time when Beck went full lunatic and got down on his hands and knees and proclaimed, in his best Jesus voice, that voting for Trump in 2016 was like voting for Satan? Ted Cruz now claims he wasn’t even in the room when that disgusting spectacle took place. Nice try, Ted. You egged that idiot on because Trump said that your Cuban father was in the same assassination crew with Lee Harvey Oswald!

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  14. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    I must completely disagree. Coates is a fashionable, famous “cultural” figure. In reality, he is a shallow, wrongheaded, not very bright individual. It would be very easy to mock and disparage.
    What Mr Steve does is something much cleverer and more difficult. He places Coates in his social and historical setting – during the 50 year reign of goodwhites in America – and then performs a character dissection of Coates. I was going to say forensic character dissection – such is the quality.
    It is without doubt one of Mr Sailer’s finest pieces. Mr Sailer has cut open a man using only pen and paper and shown us the man’s soul.
    In recent years, the only comparison would be Gregory Hood’s character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please ). Whilst Hood’s piece is very good, Mr Steve’s is even better, due to his careful delineation of fine detail.
    Mr Unz, file under Classic Articles.

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    the only comparison would be Gregory Hood’s character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please )
     
    Cite please? I'd love a pointed take-down of Ray O. Dreher.
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  15. Coates says repeatedly that much of his own life is “a fog,” that he’s more grounded by stuff that happened before he was born.

    You’ll notice that Beck, while surer of his own story, probably can’t account for all of it, due to alcoholic blackouts. And as you say, he’s also a history buff. Stuff in books is more real to him than his own life.

    I’m like that too. I couldn’t name more than one of my teachers right now. I don’t remember graduating from high school but I must have. The only thing I vividly recall about a trip to Paris when I was a teenager was watching “Psycho” on the hotel room TV.

    But boy oh boy, ask me about Deacons for Defense and Justice, or the making of “Citizen Kane.”

    This is probably because I was/am a catatonic introvert to the point of autism, clinically depressed and had a number of other (thankfully for my writing career) untreated mental problems. (See “alcoholic” above)

    Is that what’s up with Coates as well?

    Sheesh, Steve, you’re almost making me empathize with the guy…

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You sound like a real piece of work, Kathy, bless-your-heart, but you've got nothing on Glenn Beck when it comes to kookiness. To think that I used to watch him give lectures with his rotatable chalkboard on TV back in the late 'oughts! Were I a practicing licensed psychiatrist, I would not hesitate to diagnose Mr. Beck's problem as an acute case of adult latent-onset Stupidity, and I would prescribe numerous medications accordingly. Lucky for him, I am not licensed and I don't need any practice. It's easy.
    , @whoever
    Now that that the "Ask a Mexican" guy is retiring, maybe you could write an "Ask a Canadian" column for Unz.
    You are savage!
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  16. MEH 0910 says:

    The episode of the PBS series Finding Your Roots that includes Ta-Nehisi Coates can now be watched online:

    http://www.pbs.org/video/episode-4-the-vanguard-rpn8vc/

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    So Tennessee has an interest in backyard vegetable gardening, does he...
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  17. Thea says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    Look at it another way. He is lambasting the MSM that elevated the toddler-minded Coates to such lofty heights.

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  18. Quite a skewering of Tennessee, Steve.

    The obvious answer to why the man is America’s “foremost intellectual” is that either by chance or by guile he’s calculated the precise level of black anger that white liberals can tolerate and which they find useful as a cudgel against the great white middle. They can read (is this the right word?) his material and signal to one another about the “powerful” and “indispensable” piece by Tbunchofpunctuationmarks Coates.

    Jamelle Bouie must be cursing his parent(s) for the nakedness of his name without capricous use of punctuation marks.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    For the first time, I understand why a (real life story) black woman named her daughter "La-a."

    (Pronounced, "la Dash a.")
    , @res
    Remember that the proper phrase (TNC approved) is "most foremost public intellectual."

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-melissa-harris-perry-americas/
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  19. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Why can’t i make millions? I can come up with stuff like that!

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  20. John Derbyshire: The White Ta-Nehisi Coates

    John Derbyshire, in a response to a book review, said this of Tennessee Coates in 2015:

    As for Kyle Smith’s main thesis in this opening section that Coates is the black Derbyshire, it is preposterous. I am a far better writer than Coates, with an infinitely wider range.

    I say:

    Tennessee Coates is paid to hold the lantern of globalization, mass immigration and Black grievance politics. Coates is a millionaire because powerful plutocrats know he won’t ever turn on them and give an honest account of just what the hell is going on around here. That is what an honest writer with integrity does. Most writers discover that the cost of integrity is to be somewhat pauperized in comparison to the stooge whore writers who hold the lantern for the plutocrats and the ruling class.

    Here is my brilliant assessment of Tennessee Coates: Coates is full of crud.

    Tweet from 2015:

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  21. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Ta-Nehisi Coates: ‘All Is Fog’”—–He smokes reefers.

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  22. Someone should come up with a remake of Candide, where a naive young Coatesian protagonist struggles to maintain his belief in the oppression of black bodies, despite repeated painful demonstrations to the contrary.

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  23. Barnard says:

    I saw Coates was going to be on Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates last night on PBS. Didn’t watch it, but I see that Coates ancestry results came back as 15.6% European and 83.4% Sub-Saharan African. Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.

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    Coates ancestry results came back as 15.6% European and 83.4% Sub-Saharan African. Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.
     
    Bad idea. That 15% plus his skin color is all he has going for him.
    , @silviosilver

    Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.
     
    Ho, that's a real zinger.

    How did TNC take it? (Assuming he understand its you've-only-got-this-gig-cos-you're-black purport.)
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  24. Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire should go on a Gettysburg battlefield tour together. Derbyshire and Coates could reminisce about their each individual previous trip to Gettysburg and how they FEEL about it. They might discuss the breakfast each enjoyed before touring the battlefield, or any slights they endured while driving on the road. Derbyshire, because he is a nice guy, will play along and make up a sad and scary elevator story to make Tennessee Coates FEEL better about about his own tragic elevator history.

    Steve Sailer brings up Coates and Gettysburg:

    Coates has a hard time remembering much besides his feelings. For example, the last three words of his account of a seventh-grade trip to Gettysburg reveal a repeated theme in Coates’ rise to best-selling memoirist: ALL IS FOG

    http://takimag.com/article/ta_nehisi_coates_all_is_fog_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4wWflmPkh

    Derbyshire is a good sport and he grew up on an island that is foggy as all hell. I ain’t ever been to the island, but I read about it in books. Tennessee Coates most likely thinks he’s just as good a writer as Dickens, Hardy or Fielding. I say he ought to bang a hollow log instead of writing.

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    Coates has heard of Fielding, Dickens, or Hardy? Possibly, but I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    "Tennessee Coates" is really annoying and not very funny.
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  25. Arclight says:

    Liberal whites always like to have a few black ‘intellectuals’ around to validate their ethno masochism. But despite all the gushing and fawning, as McWhorter recently noted, these goodwhites are essentially racist and do not treat blacks as independent and autonomous humans.

    I think Coates knows this, but the money is too good to take any tack other than the one that set him in his current path. I also think he knows he is a pretty dim star compared to the intellect of McWhorter, Loury, and Chatterton, which is shameful and fuels his anger.

    He’d probably be happiest if he had a column or podcast that was all about comic books, but that isn’t lucrative or woke enough.

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    I suspect that his wife after years of playing the dutiful spouse to his struggling artist enjoys the money, the Paris apartment and private school for their kid.

    No turning back now.
    , @AndrewR
    Liberals don't treat anyone as fully agentic except for affluent able-bodied straight cis white males, emphasis on the male and even more emphasis on the white.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    I wonder where he ends up, being lauded a genius, knowing he is not...

    I went to school with one MacArthur winner. He was ambitious, smart, and focused on minutia... he also got a PhD advisor who had won a MacArthur Genius grant. The more meritocracy we have, the more important connections become...
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  26. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Coates is getting all the hype and money because white liberals felt they needed to start promoting another pet black with Obama heading out of office. That’s all it is.

    Also, there’s a certain amount of foundation/grant that is being given away by genuinely stupid people. The founder who donated the money was usually shrewd, but his descendants often don’t share his brains or talent, and often they’re a lot more gullible. This is what happens when rich men marry for looks instead of brains or talent. The quality of the descendants falls off quickly. Thus the heirs attract con artists like crazy.

    There’s another factor here, too. A lot of foundation trustees are simply well-dressed, well-mannered con artists who want a fat salary that’s easy to obtain, and they tend to be sympathetic/in cahoots with other con artists like Coates to make the whole money wheel turn. They encourage guys like Coates to act to a certain script, but again, a lot of these trustees aren’t people of unusual brains or talents themselves. There’s no college degree in Being a Trustee, or examination you have to take to prove your capabilities. If you had a first-rate mind you could have gotten a well-paying job doing something else.

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  27. TheJester says:

    iSteve,

    You hit the nail on the head. Ta-Nehisi Coates is the perfect excuse for a black intellectual because he is not very smart and he mumbles mumbo jumbo no one can understand. That makes him a “black oracle” whose following, after a literary séance, can disappear to contemplate the evil white spirits who control the world and who use their evil powers to victimize Africans. One cannot easily see these white spirits and their connections to current events … which is precisely the point.

    In this light, Ta-Nehisi Coates in one with the African spiritual tradition. He fits right in with the estimated 650,000 registered witch doctors and faith healers in Uganda and the ongoing search for vampires in Malawi. In short, he is completely harmless and does not threaten the Cultural Marxist agenda and the left-leaning whites’ control over that agenda. Keep the blacks looking for invisible ghosts in white sheets to explain their plight in life … and all will be well.

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  28. poolside says:

    Brilliant takedown, Steve.

    I remember TNC at The Atlantic, and his horde of syncophants who would patrol the comments section urging everyone to “read” — really “read” — his writing to fully understand it. To me, his work always read like a word vomit … like someone trying really hard to impress his ninth-grade English teacher.

    But from the beginning, the right people were oh-so-impressed by his intelligence and literary style.

    I drive past a well-to-d0 country club almost every day, and I often see black foursomes on the course. That redlining is really doing a number on them.

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    Why are the greenskeepers working in fours? I don't get it...

    Thanks, folks. I'll be in town all week!

    BTW, "The Syncophants" would be a great name for a band!
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  29. Liberal whites always like to have a few black ‘intellectuals’ around to validate their ethno masochism.

    I think there is truth in this but as we have all seen repeatedly the goodwhites’ masochism is the sort that must be visited upon badwhites. The goodwhite is saved in a sense by the correct belief, but the actual punishment is for the badwhites to suffer.

    They’re like a proverbial slattern who repents and becomes a nun and then torments her charges about the length of their skirts below the knee.

    But despite all the gushing and fawning, as McWhorter recently noted, these goodwhites are essentially racist and do not treat blacks as independent and autonomous humans. I think Coates knows this, but the money is too good to take any tack other than the one that set him in his current path. I also think he knows he is a pretty dim star compared to the intellect of McWhorter, Loury, and Chatterton, which is shameful and fuels his anger.

    Yes but this is how it supposed to work: the praise – condescending in its effusiveness – is itself a source of anger to propel Tennessee to write more copy for which he receives ever more condescending praise.

    It’s also the case that because Tennessee isn’t smart or reflective enough to propose changes that could relieve American blacks of their general sorry condition. These changes would almost certainly need to take place outside of the political realm or involve a more nuanced approach to politics than currently employed by blacks block voting Democrat.

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  30. Ed says:

    Skip Gates featured Coates on his genealogy show yesterday. He did research on branches of Coates paternal & maternal line. His paternal line was pretty standard roots in Virginia around Richmond. What was interesting was how cut off he was from this line. He couldn’t go past his father. Evidently all he knew was that they were from philly.

    His maternal line was far more interesting. A female ancestor was freed by her owner at his death and given 5 acres of land. By the time of the 1860 census she and her husband owned real estate worth $3000 and were among the richest in their immediate area. Evidently the land and additional acreage has remained in family hands to this day. He visited as a kid and goes regularly as an adult. Still his mom was raised in the projects in Baltimore. He noted that although they were poor they still had stuff and that his mother and all her siblings graduated from college.

    It’s definitely a stark contrast to the tales of woe about blacks that he pushes and again he knew much of this part of his family.

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  31. Mr. Anon says:

    In his new $28 book, Coates reprints his old magazine articles that The Atlantic had given away for free, sandwiched between what he enticingly labels “extended blog posts” about what kind of mood he was in when he wrote each article.

    I suppose his next book will be an annotated collection of his internal bowel movement soliloquies. We Were Eight Years on the Can.

    A couple years ago, my wife bought me the (then) latest Neil DeGrasse Tyson book, operating under the assumption that I would give a damn. It appeared to consist of a collection of Tyson’s tweets. I didn’t finish reading it, as it didn’t seem to consist of anything novel or interesting. And anyway, if I wanted to read all that I could just check out his twitter feed for free.

    Public intellectuals aren’t what they used to be.

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    To his credit, at least Tyson has a sense of humor and in engaging. Coates is a drip.
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  32. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    If dishonest drivel like this isn’t confronted and attacked,it will only grow. If not by SS,then who?
    Kick away,Dear Leader!

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  33. Ed says:
    @Arclight
    Liberal whites always like to have a few black 'intellectuals' around to validate their ethno masochism. But despite all the gushing and fawning, as McWhorter recently noted, these goodwhites are essentially racist and do not treat blacks as independent and autonomous humans.

    I think Coates knows this, but the money is too good to take any tack other than the one that set him in his current path. I also think he knows he is a pretty dim star compared to the intellect of McWhorter, Loury, and Chatterton, which is shameful and fuels his anger.

    He'd probably be happiest if he had a column or podcast that was all about comic books, but that isn't lucrative or woke enough.

    I suspect that his wife after years of playing the dutiful spouse to his struggling artist enjoys the money, the Paris apartment and private school for their kid.

    No turning back now.

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    Did he marry Kenyatta?
    , @MBlanc46
    Either that or, now that he’s got something, dump his tail and take everything he’s got in divorce court.
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  34. black sea says:

    Which trait most accounts for the spectacular career of Ta-Nehisi Coates . . . ?

    I think Mencken explained it some years ago: no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins parlayed their TV stardom into a commercial empire. Actors who appeared briefly on obscure SciFi shows earn a living by attending one fan convention after another, surrounded by people obsessed with very strange things indeed.

    Let's not forget the astonishing loot thrown at athletic entertainment and its passing stars.

    When "a fool and his money are soon parted," a nation of wealthy fools will keep a lot of the bizarre in business indefinitely.
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  35. Coates should try his hand at science fiction or write a children’s book to try something different. It would help disprove the notion that he is just an empty suit. On the other hand Steve, you should try writing a negro kavetch novel so we can see how good you are at da Genius’ genera. Both of you would be out of your comfort zones and we could see you guys go body to body.

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    Coates should try his hand at science fiction or write a children’s book to try something different.

     

    He's already written comic books.
    , @roo_ster
    I so want to see this. Write it under an assumed name such as "Quantavious Jones" or "D'Andre Williams."

    Heck, write a trio of them and then give the bif reveal after the last has been reviewed int he NY Review of Books.
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  36. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    “… but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.”

    Tea-Nazi Coates is Chauncey Gardiner. He is an intellectual toddler that the cultural left insists is delivering major-league performances. They are the ones who elevated him to this level of play, and who pay him major-league salary.

    It’s difficult to think of a more insulting thing that Goodwhites could do to competent black thinkers than to constantly overlook them in favor of this fool.

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  37. Svigor says:

    I wonder what they do for fun in real countries.

    22: as Steve points out, Tennessee Coates is held up by the idiots running this “country.”

    I suppose the message is, “if you don’t want me to make idiots cry, stop calling them geniuses.”

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  38. I figure that when all this is reframed, blacks will be outraged that YT was so racist that YT promoted among the dullest blacks available for public acclaim.

    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black “debate teams” available on youtube.

    There’s nothing more sad than people so stupid that they don’t realize their public performances are parallel to watching the antics of “Monkey Island” at a zoo. Who is worse, the monkeys who throw poop or the zoo keepers who encourage them to amplify their ridicule-inducing performances?

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    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black “debate teams” available on youtube.
     
    I remember that. Simply astonishing.

    Gotta love the FOX News host's exuberant introduction, as though she were introducing debate champs of actual merit. Some devious part of me hopes she was only doing it to highlight the stupendous idiocy of "awarding" these cretins. (Alas, it was probably her concern for her livelihood. The boss: "Now you had better look enthusiastic. If I catch the slightest hint of sarcasm in your tone, you're done!")

    Maybe this debate style should be called having a Ta-Nehisi-fit.
    , @silviosilver
    I can imagine some Chinese historian, a hundred years from now, setting out to write a triumphalist history of his country's victory over the once formidable superpower United States. He stumbles across this evidence and in a lightning strike it hits him, "Lawl, paww Yenkee, he berieve sometink dis stupit, he neva hava chance!"
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  39. Svigor says:

    About Adorno: Steve mentions his hatred of guitar music specifically, but also highly relevant is Adorno’s hatred of jazz. Black, American jazz.

    I know very little about jazz, but it seems like such a broad form that any normal person can easily find much to hate and much to love. I’m not a fan of the jangly chaotic jazz at all, but I like Johnny Quest/007 jazz.

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    I’m not a fan of the jangly chaotic jazz at all, but I like Johnny Quest/007 jazz.

     

    This is the place for you:

    http://somafm.com/secretagent/
    , @Hemid
    The jazz Adorno railed against was the jazz you like. The unpleasant-sounding stuff hadn't been invented yet. He wouldn't have liked that either. He would have heard it as a capitalism-induced travesty of the unpleasant-sounding orchestral music he liked.

    Anyway, Adorno's musicological influence is limited. The typical thing is to use fragments of his rhetoric—because it sounds really serious—to buttress judgments that are the opposite of his. His terminology is all over the field, but only a handful of eccentric old communists (The Association of Musical Marxists, e.g.) seem to have read his books.

    It's Adorno's other work that zombies on. All questionnaire-based political psychology is derivative of his in The Authoritarian Personality. And it was by him that the absolute identity of Nazism with all variants of American conservatism (especially what later became libertarianism) was scientifically proven for all time.

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  40. @black sea

    Which trait most accounts for the spectacular career of Ta-Nehisi Coates . . . ?

     

    I think Mencken explained it some years ago: no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins parlayed their TV stardom into a commercial empire. Actors who appeared briefly on obscure SciFi shows earn a living by attending one fan convention after another, surrounded by people obsessed with very strange things indeed.

    Let’s not forget the astonishing loot thrown at athletic entertainment and its passing stars.

    When “a fool and his money are soon parted,” a nation of wealthy fools will keep a lot of the bizarre in business indefinitely.

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    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins...
     
    Not to mention Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen...

    Oh, wait, some of you think these are worth listening to...
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  41. Thirdtwin says:

    Tennessee Coats is about due for a childrens’ book about him. Or he’s about due to write one himself.

    “All Is Fog, Dog”

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  42. @Alec Leamas
    Quite a skewering of Tennessee, Steve.

    The obvious answer to why the man is America's "foremost intellectual" is that either by chance or by guile he's calculated the precise level of black anger that white liberals can tolerate and which they find useful as a cudgel against the great white middle. They can read (is this the right word?) his material and signal to one another about the "powerful" and "indispensable" piece by Tbunchofpunctuationmarks Coates.

    Jamelle Bouie must be cursing his parent(s) for the nakedness of his name without capricous use of punctuation marks.

    For the first time, I understand why a (real life story) black woman named her daughter “La-a.”

    (Pronounced, “la Dash a.”)

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    At least it wasn't LaTrina...
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  43. Tulip says:

    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT’s editorial page?

    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?

    TNC may be an annoying conspiracy theorist, but at least he is not writing a book on moral character while he bangs his ghost writer.

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    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?
     
    Hey! A little respect….at least when Krugabe was bought he stayed bought!


    (Although for such a piddlin amount I suppose some ridicule is in order!)
    , @bomag

    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT’s editorial page?
     
    Yeah, but TNC gets quite a bit more hype as being someone with extraordinary insight. Sonia Sotomayor referenced him in one of her opinions; NPR practically utters "PBUH" after every mention of his name.
    , @guest
    There's nothing wrong with being middle-brow, first of all. I don't think anyone has a problem with Tennessee Coates on account of that. It's that they pretend he's something more. No one thinks of the Brookses or Friedmans of the world as having Coates-ian levels of special insight.

    More importantly, Brooks isn't so much affected as under cover. There's a big difference. Coates isn't as blackety-black as they (he included) may want us to think. He comes off more like a white nerd, as Steve points out, if you look closely.

    But he is largely what he claims to be (though a less intelligent version of it). Brooks, on the other hand, plays the "Hello, fellow white people" and "Hello, fellow conservatives" games.
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  44. “With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.”

    “summoned the IRS” is a rather odd way of putting “cheated on my income tax forms”.

    “burned through credit cards” means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn’t and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not–as Coates would have it–of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or “unhappy consciousness”.

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

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    Great post ThreeCranes. Thank you.
    , @Vinteuil
    "In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    "His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    "Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn’t and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    "Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    "Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion..."

    3cranes - are you, by any chance, a student in my current ethical theory course?

    Just kidding.

    Does "Socrates pull it off in fairly convincing fashion?" Only if by "fairly" you mean "not at all."
    , @Lurker
    "For great justice!"
    , @bomag

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.
     
    Such as Coates are happy to make it a permanent compromise; he is more than content to raise up a quasi religion that casts himself as struggling against evil. In a fairer world, he has no tax problems, no debt problems. In this world, he is surrounded by wreckers targeting him personally. But keep the faith; with the application of enough ball peen hammers to the heads of the evil ones, paradise will be ushered in.
    , @Ian M.
    Yeah ok, but what does Socrates say about black bodies?
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  45. But whereas his forebears carried whiteness like an ancestral talisman, Trump cracked the glowing amulet open, releasing its eldritch energies.

    And so I derived great meaning from the work of writing. But I could not pay the rent with “great meaning.” I could not buy groceries with “great meaning.” With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.

    I should learn to write like this.

    I’d grind my teeth down to nubs, but the meaning I would concomitantly derive from the fount of verbiage would be a beneficient salve, a thaumaturgic “release.” With this “release,” thus would I pay off my mortgage. Thus would I, too, acquire an invisible knapsack to carry about my oblivious body.

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    It's sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it's even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left's anti-white policies and rhetoric. Yes, a non-zero amount of vitriol towards Barack Obama was due to his Kenyan ancestry, but, like his mother, he always had a disdain for his mother's people, and he showed that in ways that were often far from subtle. And of course the leftists in general was far less reserved than Obama was in expressing their disdain for whites. I distinctly recall the unhinged gloating immediately after Obama's reelection.

    "WE IN CHARGE NOW, CRACKERS!"

    The evidence leads to the irrefutable conclusion that the left wants purebred whites to cease to exist by any means necessary.
    , @King Baeksu

    With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.
     
    "Summoned" is misused in this context as it implies intentionality. Did St. Coates really want the IRS to visit him?

    You just know his editors are in on the scam because a good one would never let such a howler pass.

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  46. That America has gone from Freidman to THC puts your decline in stark contrast. Hell the 90s had Fukuyama and Joseph Nye.

    Maybe y’all should try the Brit way and forge a “special relationship” with Beijing.

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  47. Beck is a fox, and T.N.C. a hedgehog.

    Beck remembers very little about lots of things, T-N-C knows almost nothing about one thing.

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    I like it.
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  48. FLgeezer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS."

    "summoned the IRS" is a rather odd way of putting "cheated on my income tax forms".

    "burned through credit cards" means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn't and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not--as Coates would have it--of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or "unhappy consciousness".

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

    Great post ThreeCranes. Thank you.

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  49. black sea says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Beck is a fox, and T.N.C. a hedgehog.

    Beck remembers very little about lots of things, T-N-C knows almost nothing about one thing.

    I like it.

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  50. AndrewR says:

    A fool and his money are soon parted. If shitlibs with IQs barely in the triple digits want to buy this book in order to virtue signal, who am I to criticize them?

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  51. @poolside
    Brilliant takedown, Steve.

    I remember TNC at The Atlantic, and his horde of syncophants who would patrol the comments section urging everyone to "read" -- really "read" -- his writing to fully understand it. To me, his work always read like a word vomit ... like someone trying really hard to impress his ninth-grade English teacher.

    But from the beginning, the right people were oh-so-impressed by his intelligence and literary style.

    I drive past a well-to-d0 country club almost every day, and I often see black foursomes on the course. That redlining is really doing a number on them.

    Why are the greenskeepers working in fours? I don’t get it…

    Thanks, folks. I’ll be in town all week!

    BTW, “The Syncophants” would be a great name for a band!

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    Why are the greenskeepers working in fours? I don’t get it…
     
    Actually the country club was so rich (How rich were they?) that the greenskeepers were working in plus fours.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Superbly-hand-tailored-1930s-style-Vintage-Plus-Fours-Knicker-Pants-31-mint-/122763428843
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  52. Currahee says:

    Again, this article is linked at Lucianne.com.

    Wonder how long it will last this time.

    Site is mainstream conservative, interesting that someone there is a Steve fan.

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  53. peterike says:
    @Svigor

    About Adorno: Steve mentions his hatred of guitar music specifically, but also highly relevant is Adorno’s hatred of jazz. Black, American jazz.
     
    I know very little about jazz, but it seems like such a broad form that any normal person can easily find much to hate and much to love. I'm not a fan of the jangly chaotic jazz at all, but I like Johnny Quest/007 jazz.

    I’m not a fan of the jangly chaotic jazz at all, but I like Johnny Quest/007 jazz.

    This is the place for you:

    http://somafm.com/secretagent/

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  54. AndrewR says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    While Sailer’s intellect certainly dwarfs Coates’ (although that’s not saying that much), your analogy falls flat. Kicking a toddler would be justified if that toddler had a knife, had been trained how to stab people, and were intent on stabbing you. Even more so if other toddlers were also trying to stab you.

    Coates is dumb but dangerous.

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  55. McFly says:

    How did Ta-Nehisi’s year in France go?

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    He's now semi-literate in two languages.
    , @Forbes
    People often move to France to receive income offshore. Although US taxpayers (unlike everywhere else in the world) are required to report all global sources of income, I wonder if admitted "summoner of IRS" thought he was being clever by getting his MacArthur grant paid in France...

    This is open speculation.
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  56. AndrewR says:
    @Ed
    Skip Gates featured Coates on his genealogy show yesterday. He did research on branches of Coates paternal & maternal line. His paternal line was pretty standard roots in Virginia around Richmond. What was interesting was how cut off he was from this line. He couldn't go past his father. Evidently all he knew was that they were from philly.

    His maternal line was far more interesting. A female ancestor was freed by her owner at his death and given 5 acres of land. By the time of the 1860 census she and her husband owned real estate worth $3000 and were among the richest in their immediate area. Evidently the land and additional acreage has remained in family hands to this day. He visited as a kid and goes regularly as an adult. Still his mom was raised in the projects in Baltimore. He noted that although they were poor they still had stuff and that his mother and all her siblings graduated from college.

    It's definitely a stark contrast to the tales of woe about blacks that he pushes and again he knew much of this part of his family.

    I’m surprised he didn’t try to pull an Affleck. That info about his mom’s ancestor reduces his Oppression score.

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  57. Hemid says:
    @Svigor

    About Adorno: Steve mentions his hatred of guitar music specifically, but also highly relevant is Adorno’s hatred of jazz. Black, American jazz.
     
    I know very little about jazz, but it seems like such a broad form that any normal person can easily find much to hate and much to love. I'm not a fan of the jangly chaotic jazz at all, but I like Johnny Quest/007 jazz.

    The jazz Adorno railed against was the jazz you like. The unpleasant-sounding stuff hadn’t been invented yet. He wouldn’t have liked that either. He would have heard it as a capitalism-induced travesty of the unpleasant-sounding orchestral music he liked.

    Anyway, Adorno’s musicological influence is limited. The typical thing is to use fragments of his rhetoric—because it sounds really serious—to buttress judgments that are the opposite of his. His terminology is all over the field, but only a handful of eccentric old communists (The Association of Musical Marxists, e.g.) seem to have read his books.

    It’s Adorno’s other work that zombies on. All questionnaire-based political psychology is derivative of his in The Authoritarian Personality. And it was by him that the absolute identity of Nazism with all variants of American conservatism (especially what later became libertarianism) was scientifically proven for all time.

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  58. AndrewR says:
    @Arclight
    Liberal whites always like to have a few black 'intellectuals' around to validate their ethno masochism. But despite all the gushing and fawning, as McWhorter recently noted, these goodwhites are essentially racist and do not treat blacks as independent and autonomous humans.

    I think Coates knows this, but the money is too good to take any tack other than the one that set him in his current path. I also think he knows he is a pretty dim star compared to the intellect of McWhorter, Loury, and Chatterton, which is shameful and fuels his anger.

    He'd probably be happiest if he had a column or podcast that was all about comic books, but that isn't lucrative or woke enough.

    Liberals don’t treat anyone as fully agentic except for affluent able-bodied straight cis white males, emphasis on the male and even more emphasis on the white.

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    That's true - in their view, only straight white men move through life unencumbered by any obstacles that were not self-imposed.
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  59. eric says:

    Ta-Nahesi is useful to progs because he is an authentic African-American, and skewering a guy with an African sounding name just brings up charges of racism, so many who might otherwise dismiss him don’t want to stir up such a bees nest, even if they’ve never seen him. A twitter blast against “Da’shawn” would invite the JPod’s of the world to blast back, to the effect, ‘this is clearly a slam against a black man only because he is black’.

    But then he gave them this great spread argument, where all sorts of arcane red-lining rules were used by lenders and government, in different areas in different ways, and as many African-Americans live in poor neighborhoods today, it is impossible to prove this wasn’t true. The many different applications of redlining are all neither necessary nor sufficient for his argument, so poking down a few, or mentioning other causes, does not prove his assertion untrue, thus a speaker can argue it is true.

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  60. AndrewR says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    But whereas his forebears carried whiteness like an ancestral talisman, Trump cracked the glowing amulet open, releasing its eldritch energies.
     

    And so I derived great meaning from the work of writing. But I could not pay the rent with “great meaning.” I could not buy groceries with “great meaning.” With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.
     
    I should learn to write like this.

    I'd grind my teeth down to nubs, but the meaning I would concomitantly derive from the fount of verbiage would be a beneficient salve, a thaumaturgic "release." With this "release," thus would I pay off my mortgage. Thus would I, too, acquire an invisible knapsack to carry about my oblivious body.

    It’s sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it’s even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left’s anti-white policies and rhetoric. Yes, a non-zero amount of vitriol towards Barack Obama was due to his Kenyan ancestry, but, like his mother, he always had a disdain for his mother’s people, and he showed that in ways that were often far from subtle. And of course the leftists in general was far less reserved than Obama was in expressing their disdain for whites. I distinctly recall the unhinged gloating immediately after Obama’s reelection.

    “WE IN CHARGE NOW, CRACKERS!”

    The evidence leads to the irrefutable conclusion that the left wants purebred whites to cease to exist by any means necessary.

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    "It’s sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it’s even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left’s anti-white policies and rhetoric."

    "White identity politics" was a reaction to Radical Reconstruction policies and the repudiation and destruction of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, "anti-white policies" is merely an Alt Right buzzword. How do YOU define "anti-white"? What metrics are involved here?
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  61. My take is that most black’s including black intellectuals seem to lack is any kind of self reflection regarding how they are perceived by the rest of the culture. Coates, like most of his fellow blacks, seems introspective but only from their own solipsistic standpoint. If they do have such view points, you rarely hear more than just accusations of racism. This is possibly just a self defense mechanism or an in group thing. Possibly, they just don’t care, but it has led them into sort of an intellectual dead end.

    Whites on the other hand have been forced to at least acknowledge the positions of other. With white liberals this it taken to the extreme but at the very least, it sets the stage for moving the dialog forward.
    When conservative whites try to do that for them, like with John Darbyshire’s version of the “Talk”, you see this reflexive lashing out. There is no dialectic with the other side, there is no facts, it is just one long bellyache.

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  62. Altai says:

    OT: Amazon have a new service that allows you to install a doorlock that can be opened by Amazon for it’s vetted deliverymen due to ‘package theft, which is rampant in some markets.’

    An Amazon spokesperson said that the delivery people Amazon works with are “thoroughly vetted, with comprehensive background checks and motor vehicle records reviews.”

    The company said the in-home option will go live on Nov. 8 in 37 U.S. cities and some surrounding areas. For example, I live in a mostly suburban neighborhood about 20 minutes outside of New York City and my home qualifies for the service.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/10/25/16538828/amazon-key-in-home-delivery-prime-camera-lock

    The video features a light-skinned hipster black woman from 2007. (Maybe some of the 2007 hipsters have started to take over advertising departments?) Though the fact that a gen Y/Z is able to afford her own nice apartment is probably the most absurd element of the ad.

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  63. Sondjata says:

    Posted this there and posting it here:

    “Why have blacks failed to build much wealth? Well, African-Americans tend to be the poorest Americans but the richest Africans.”

    Leaving out Africans, Blacks generally have less median wealth because, in gamblers parlance, they risk too much of their bank.

    Stories abound on how much black folks spend on sneakers, motor vehicles and hair care products.

    I recall that a long time ago I was reading Black Enterprise magazine. They have a section where they give a random reader advice on how to get out of debt and without fail the largest non-housing expense was their vehicle. Now BE had an advertising contract with Ford and Nissan at the time and so they would never tell their readers to *stop purchasing new vehicles* But that advise would have resulted in enormous gains in wealth in a single generation.

    I know people with less than half my income and a fraction of a fraction of my net worth who have the latest phones, latest clothes and latest shoes (and we’re not talking PayLess).

    This is not to say that there are not white (or other) people who do poorly in the money management department, but when your group is in the money shit hole, these unwise decisions compound the problem.

    And I haven’t even mentioned the marriage gap.

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    The word you were looking for is "bling."
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  64. peterike says:
    @Prof. Woland
    Coates should try his hand at science fiction or write a children's book to try something different. It would help disprove the notion that he is just an empty suit. On the other hand Steve, you should try writing a negro kavetch novel so we can see how good you are at da Genius' genera. Both of you would be out of your comfort zones and we could see you guys go body to body.

    Coates should try his hand at science fiction or write a children’s book to try something different.

    He’s already written comic books.

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  65. Way OT, but, rather randomly, I read this post by Scott Alexander:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/24/how-did-new-atheism-fail-so-miserably/

    He’s supposedly trying to understand why the New Atheists are being scorned by the left today. Yet he never mentions either Islam or more generally Identity Politics, which is, of course, the exact point of separation between the New Atheists and our completely irrational left.

    How can the guy be so blind?

    I lost a little respect there.

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    I used to read and comment on his blog. Then I realized something was wrong when someone got banned for holding the exact same position as he did (effective altrusim). Looking back I realize what the problem is- he isn't honest. Yeah, a big claim. I'll give an example:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

    How could possibly anyone worry about crime or ethnic conflict? 'You'll note both of those things have increased since 2013. In short the people he was attacking look more right about human nature and the future then him. Given he openly states that

    -you should update beliefs on new evidence
    -the best evidence something is true is successful predictions

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his's model of the world can't explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.

    He isn't capable of doing so. He 'thing' is the principle of charity and niceness. If it turns out those are worthless (because it turns out most people don't actually think rationally) then he is up a creek without a paddle.
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  66. Steve,

    You miss the real connection between Coates and Beck. Both were/are useful idiots who were/are willing and knowing collaborators with TPTB Globalist elites.

    Lets start with Beck. Beck reached the peak of this popularity and once vast wealth during the Tea Party revolt of the first Obama administration. Beck’s media backers used him as controlled opposition to co-opt the at first genuinely grass roots populist Tea Party revolt from discovering the White Nationalist, Immigration Restrictionist, and Anti Neocon/Zionist war movements and factions growing within the populist Right.

    Beck’s silly Randian individualist and DR3 bloviating was meant to keep the Tea Party from drawing the connection between Invade The World, Invite The World, In Debt to the World insanity and Globalist Neocon, Zionist, and Left-wing Jewish interests.

    This explains Beck’s ridiculous, “Hey Folks I bet you never heard of The Frankfurt School of Marxism because I sure never had until just today, so let me tell you about it” shtick. Beck’s job was to keep pissed off yet not tech savvy Tea Party boomers from finding out about Cultural Marxism by doing some of their own research on the web and per chance running across Stormfront, Bob Whitaker(Horus the White Rabbit), Vdare, The Occidental Observer, David Duke or the very nascent beginnings of the Alt-Right.

    Beck was the classic example of the very well paid for by Jews, controlled opposition shill. Beck could rant and rave about “Liberal Hollywood” and Marxist controlled Academia as long as he kept his audience away from the JQ.

    Glenn Beck served his purpose. Without him, a Trumpian candidate might have emerged in 2012, who knows maybe a Lou Dobbs candidacy.

    Likewise Coates gets paid mega bucks for keeping Right of Bell Curve black intellectuals from drawing the connection between Open Borders and the devastating impact it has had on working and lower class blacks. Likewise White SWPLs love Coates because he relieves them of the quilt they might otherwise feel as they benefit from the whole sale displacement of blacks from the labor force and their old neighborhoods by Hispanics and Asians.

    Here is an example of exactly what Coates is getting paid for preventing.

    Tree of Logic Interviews Jared Taylor

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  67. Arclight says:
    @AndrewR
    Liberals don't treat anyone as fully agentic except for affluent able-bodied straight cis white males, emphasis on the male and even more emphasis on the white.

    That’s true – in their view, only straight white men move through life unencumbered by any obstacles that were not self-imposed.

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  68. roo_ster says:
    @Prof. Woland
    Coates should try his hand at science fiction or write a children's book to try something different. It would help disprove the notion that he is just an empty suit. On the other hand Steve, you should try writing a negro kavetch novel so we can see how good you are at da Genius' genera. Both of you would be out of your comfort zones and we could see you guys go body to body.

    I so want to see this. Write it under an assumed name such as “Quantavious Jones” or “D’Andre Williams.”

    Heck, write a trio of them and then give the bif reveal after the last has been reviewed int he NY Review of Books.

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  69. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    lol at 22pp22 thinking Alabama has to play Auburn or LSU every week.

    Listen, one of the ways we know Bama is great is they can name their scores versus the weakest of opposition. Don’t worry Florida International, you’ll do better when you play North Texas!

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  70. @Arclight
    Liberal whites always like to have a few black 'intellectuals' around to validate their ethno masochism. But despite all the gushing and fawning, as McWhorter recently noted, these goodwhites are essentially racist and do not treat blacks as independent and autonomous humans.

    I think Coates knows this, but the money is too good to take any tack other than the one that set him in his current path. I also think he knows he is a pretty dim star compared to the intellect of McWhorter, Loury, and Chatterton, which is shameful and fuels his anger.

    He'd probably be happiest if he had a column or podcast that was all about comic books, but that isn't lucrative or woke enough.

    I wonder where he ends up, being lauded a genius, knowing he is not…

    I went to school with one MacArthur winner. He was ambitious, smart, and focused on minutia… he also got a PhD advisor who had won a MacArthur Genius grant. The more meritocracy we have, the more important connections become…

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    He is not a genius but he is not stupid either. He'll ride this gravy train as long as he can - it's actually pretty easy to find new ways to blame someone else for all that is wrong in the world, and there are always white progressives just waiting to fall over themselves to laud the 'genius' of any black person that cleans up relatively well. That's why Marc Lamont Hill, Eric Dyson, and Joy Reid have careers.

    That's the other thing that has to drive TNC nuts and might drive some of his hatred of whites - the way so many reflexively praise him no matter what he puts out. It's how you treat a pet, not someone you truly view as an equal...but still, it's the hand that feeds him and his family.
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  71. SMK says: • Website
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    Yes, when the U.S. is a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority, ultimately a smaller minority than blacks, Steve Sailer will be “remembered as a thinker of note” and T. Coates will be forgotten by everyone!

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    Your assuming that America will persist within its existing frontiers. that possibility seems increasingly remote.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWLECJnylM
    , @Jack D
    In future America they will put Dr. Coates's portrait on the One Hundred Trillion Dollar bill:

    http://cdn.globalcurrencyreset.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse.jpg
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  72. Joe Sweet says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    All those who won’t abide abuse of current year James Baldwin should consider busting out their Ta-Napsleepy Cots and taking a little rest.

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  73. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Eldritch energies”??? Puh-leeze!! It wouldn’t surprise if much of the stuff ascribed to The Genius was and is ghostwritten in the fashion of JFK’s amanuensis, Ted Sorensen, having fashioned “Profiles in Courage” and then slapping The Prince of Camelot’s name on the cover as the “author.” That goes for Beck too, but whereas Beck’s star appears to have dipped under the horizon this won’t happen to The Genius anytime soon for reasons which should be obvious.

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    The only Eldritch that Coates knows is Eldritch [sp] Cleaver.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Quite agree,old chum. Let Teneesi refer to eldritch energies in front of his old Baltimore homies and they would clean his clock!
    "Dat fool talk in bout eldritch energies?What dat white folks boolshit? "
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  74. Pericles says:

    These two thrilling yarns have rocketed Coates to near the top of the college speaker circuit, where he makes up to $1,000 per minute

    Check it out, kids, that was another thousand of student loans.

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  75. @candid_observer
    Way OT, but, rather randomly, I read this post by Scott Alexander:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/24/how-did-new-atheism-fail-so-miserably/

    He's supposedly trying to understand why the New Atheists are being scorned by the left today. Yet he never mentions either Islam or more generally Identity Politics, which is, of course, the exact point of separation between the New Atheists and our completely irrational left.

    How can the guy be so blind?

    I lost a little respect there.

    I used to read and comment on his blog. Then I realized something was wrong when someone got banned for holding the exact same position as he did (effective altrusim). Looking back I realize what the problem is- he isn’t honest. Yeah, a big claim. I’ll give an example:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

    How could possibly anyone worry about crime or ethnic conflict? ‘You’ll note both of those things have increased since 2013. In short the people he was attacking look more right about human nature and the future then him. Given he openly states that

    -you should update beliefs on new evidence
    -the best evidence something is true is successful predictions

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his’s model of the world can’t explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.

    He isn’t capable of doing so. He ‘thing’ is the principle of charity and niceness. If it turns out those are worthless (because it turns out most people don’t actually think rationally) then he is up a creek without a paddle.

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    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his’s model of the world can’t explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.
     
    Western atheism is an ideology onto itself. It is not an obvious POV. If you surveyed the world, over human history, you'd find it to be an abnormality. Western atheism being an ideology of it's own, you'd expect this behavior. He's attached to his model, not the facts or rationality. Ironically, an irrational attachment to the high quality of their own personal rationality is usually what marks a militant atheist.

    I've been reading up on Fr. Malachi Martin, an interesting blast from the near past recently. In the last chapter of his book, The Jesuits, he explains we're in a time of not really agnosticism or atheism but abolition. We're going to pretend this religion thing does not exist at all. That it never really existed.

    So if you're going to ignore Christianity, you also need to ignore atheism. What's the point of stating , repeatedly, that there is no God? Of what need does anyone have of such a thing when we all know (supposedly) that religion is stupid? The need to answer to a question nobody (apparently) is asking is unsettling. After all, I don't need to state repeatedly that the earth is not flat because it's well, silly on the face it. It's the same idea.

    That, besides the astute observation on that thread that Islam has become the new darling of the left, is what's causing the rejection. An age without religion does not need preachers of any persuasion, including atheist.
    , @Desiderius

    He ‘thing’ is the principle of charity
     
    Takes some stones for an atheist to claim that one for his own. It's not like it's the name of a prominent religion or anything.
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  76. fish says:
    @Tulip
    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT's editorial page?

    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?

    TNC may be an annoying conspiracy theorist, but at least he is not writing a book on moral character while he bangs his ghost writer.

    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?

    Hey! A little respect….at least when Krugabe was bought he stayed bought!

    (Although for such a piddlin amount I suppose some ridicule is in order!)

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  77. I was reading this article on Takimag still, and haven’t read any comments yet, but I’ve got to say this now:

    I figure you’ll get some comments saying or implying that you’re jealous of the guy, Steve (I’m sure they’d grant you good reason to be.) I don’t believe that’s why you write about this lame-ass semi-intelligent black guy myself, as your posts on him just say a lot about the level of stupidity American society has attained.

    However, can you please, Steve Sailer, not write anymore paragraphs, in some of your posts, where you grant that “yeah, well affirmative action is not the worst thing” or “we could put up with that”, or some such things? I have seen that sort of thing in your writing, though maybe not those words. Those were not exact quotes, so I’m not trying to put words in your mouth.

    However, walk in another white man’s moccasins Converses for a while here, Steve. Just relate the feeling you get when you see this Te-what-have-you non-genius get all these awards and a > 1/2 million prize and $1000/min (I don’t doubt your math) to the poor white car mechanic, say, who is pretty good but can’t get hired due to a quota for a black mechanic that doesn’t know squat and is a hack with cars. Relate it to some white self-taught database guy who can’t get the job he is perfect for due to a slot that is held only for blacks, women or whatever.

    I don’t want to hear anymore on iSteve that affirmative action is just no big deal, because that shows a lack of belief in the golden rule, and I don’t think you are like that. This Tennessee guy when compared to your great writing and insight, Steve should make you understand how the white guy feels when affirmative action nips his ambitions in the bud.

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  78. J1234 says:

    Liberal whites always want to see “Mr. Bojangles” (from that sappy late 60′s song) in all black people, and it’s relatively easy to see Mr. Bojangles in Mr. Coates, at least when you compare him to other Afro-centric literary activists. That may be another key to his success.

    His somewhat cheerful, smiling thick-headedness in interviews is interpreted as sensitivity or being approachable (or something.) Liberal whites probably say to themselves, “hey, here’s a black activist that we can actually get to like us!” Or maybe it’s just his thick-headedness that they find appealing.

    Notice this interviewer’s reticence or diffidence when presenting Mr. Coates just a few semi-challenging ideas to the genius’s latest thesis (that Trump is a white supremacist.) The interviewer feels the need to preface the challenge with several compliments about his interviewee’s work, much like a sixth grade teacher would do with one of his students regarding an essay. The interviewer is entering dangerous territory here – he may may offend the one black activist who actually likes him.

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/ta-nehisi-coates-you-might-be-a-white-supremacist-1047918659949

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    'Liberal whites probably say to themselves, “hey, here’s a black activist that we can actually get to like us!”'

    On the other hand, John McWhorter thinks some of them might come to grips with reality (watch for 30 seconds or so at the link):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jeiPKh7jEA&t=6m23s

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  79. Yeah, finished it now – another great bit of writing. See, this is what I mean. You should be the one getting $1000/min! I would pledge $10/min myself if I knew if would be in front of a million Americans*.

    (As to this joker saying he should have remembered more about Gettysburg, is that an implication that there was anything involving black people going on? Hell no, it was all 100′s of thousands of brave white guys fighting and dying. Gettysburg had not a damn thing to do with Black people, so I guess the genius didn’t miss anything after all.)
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    * OK, you can’t hold me to that if you go on one of those Robert Byrd or Strom Thurmond multi-week filibusters where you start reading the Wall Street Journal or old issues of TV Guide.

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  80. I saw Coates for the first time last night as he sat with Louis Gates and discussed his ancestry. I noticed that Coates made very little eye contact with Gates, as if he was out of his league. I was not impressed at all. But, I finally heard his named pronounced, Ta-Na-He-See, four distinct syllables.

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  81. Jack D says:

    I assume many here remember the Peter Seller’s movie , “Being There”, where a simple minded gardener is somehow elevated to a position of national prominence. Some elderly black people who know him personally as an idiot see him on TV and they take this as confirmation of racist double standards- a black man has to be extra brilliant to get anywhere but white skin privilege is so great that a white guy with the brains of a scarecrow can rise to national prominence ( Jeb Bush -cough, cough).

    Anyway, Coates is Seller’s character taken full circle in the Current Year – even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.

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    ... even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.
     
    I though Barack Obama was our Chance the President. Or is he our Zelig? I get the two mixed-up.

    Maybe Forrest Hussein Obama is the right metaphor.
    , @Jack D
    PS Credit to oddsbodkins who spotted this first. I didn't see his post before I made mine.
    , @njguy73

    He is our Chauncey Gardener.
     
    OK, that's insulting.

    To Chauncey Gardener. He had a skill which could have earned him a market income outside of academia.
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  82. @McFly
    How did Ta-Nehisi's year in France go?

    He’s now semi-literate in two languages.

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  83. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jake
    "the point is that, no matter what blacks inflict upon one another, white people are to blame."


    And almost all blacks and white Liberals believe the same thing.

    That being the case, unless those blacks and white Liberals demand that the poor innocent blacks be separated from the whites who cause all their pain and turmoil, they themselves enable all that happens to blacks because of racism.

    Black nationalists are already there, of course. White Leftists are still too married to integrationism. But as more blacks and Leftists buy into “whites are irredeemably racist”, we may see more support for separation.

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    The only separation they will accept puts us 6 feet under. We've seen black power over whites in Haiti, Detroit and Zimbabwe. We will not be given the option of segregation.
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  84. 22pp22 says:
    @SMK
    Yes, when the U.S. is a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority, ultimately a smaller minority than blacks, Steve Sailer will be "remembered as a thinker of note" and T. Coates will be forgotten by everyone!

    Your assuming that America will persist within its existing frontiers. that possibility seems increasingly remote.

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    Nukes. There will be no peaceful breakup. Any weakness by American leadership will almost certainly get them overthrown by people willing to use force (since they aren't strong enough to keep the union together).
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  85. @22pp22
    Your assuming that America will persist within its existing frontiers. that possibility seems increasingly remote.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWLECJnylM

    Nukes. There will be no peaceful breakup. Any weakness by American leadership will almost certainly get them overthrown by people willing to use force (since they aren’t strong enough to keep the union together).

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  86. Jack D says:
    @anonymous
    "Eldritch energies"??? Puh-leeze!! It wouldn't surprise if much of the stuff ascribed to The Genius was and is ghostwritten in the fashion of JFK's amanuensis, Ted Sorensen, having fashioned "Profiles in Courage" and then slapping The Prince of Camelot's name on the cover as the "author." That goes for Beck too, but whereas Beck's star appears to have dipped under the horizon this won't happen to The Genius anytime soon for reasons which should be obvious.

    The only Eldritch that Coates knows is Eldritch [sp] Cleaver.

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  87. @Barnard
    I saw Coates was going to be on Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates last night on PBS. Didn't watch it, but I see that Coates ancestry results came back as 15.6% European and 83.4% Sub-Saharan African. Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.

    Coates ancestry results came back as 15.6% European and 83.4% Sub-Saharan African. Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.

    Bad idea. That 15% plus his skin color is all he has going for him.

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  88. Forbes says:
    @MEH 0910
    The episode of the PBS series Finding Your Roots that includes Ta-Nehisi Coates can now be watched online:

    http://www.pbs.org/video/episode-4-the-vanguard-rpn8vc/

    So Tennessee has an interest in backyard vegetable gardening, does he…

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  89. Jack D says:
    @SMK
    Yes, when the U.S. is a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority, ultimately a smaller minority than blacks, Steve Sailer will be "remembered as a thinker of note" and T. Coates will be forgotten by everyone!

    In future America they will put Dr. Coates’s portrait on the One Hundred Trillion Dollar bill:

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    That and a bag of ground coffee will get you on a Harare bus.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Somehow the picture of that pile of rocks doesn't inspire the same confidence in Order, Stability and Permanence that we look for in a bank as does say, the Parthenon-like Treasury Building.

    (We do like to believe that the place we trust with our savings will be around tomorrow when we want to withdraw it, don't we?)
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  90. @Jack D
    I assume many here remember the Peter Seller's movie , "Being There", where a simple minded gardener is somehow elevated to a position of national prominence. Some elderly black people who know him personally as an idiot see him on TV and they take this as confirmation of racist double standards- a black man has to be extra brilliant to get anywhere but white skin privilege is so great that a white guy with the brains of a scarecrow can rise to national prominence ( Jeb Bush -cough, cough).

    Anyway, Coates is Seller's character taken full circle in the Current Year - even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.

    … even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.

    I though Barack Obama was our Chance the President. Or is he our Zelig? I get the two mixed-up.

    Maybe Forrest Hussein Obama is the right metaphor.

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  91. @Jack D
    In future America they will put Dr. Coates's portrait on the One Hundred Trillion Dollar bill:

    http://cdn.globalcurrencyreset.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse.jpg

    That and a bag of ground coffee will get you on a Harare bus.

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  92. Forbes says:
    @dc.sunsets
    For the first time, I understand why a (real life story) black woman named her daughter "La-a."

    (Pronounced, "la Dash a.")

    At least it wasn’t LaTrina…

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  93. MBlanc46 says:
    @Verymuchalive
    " Yet, if you actually know more intellectual history than Beck does, then it's hard to be quite so confident when pondering the purported centrality of the Frankfurt School."
    Someone who knows a lot more intellectual history than Beck is Professor Paul Gottfried, who thinks the post 1968 left is essentially a product of Jurgen Habermas and other post-war German thinkers. It has very little to do with the Frankfort School. It may be classed as post-Marxist, rather than Marxist.
    I do hope Prof Gottfried has time to write a book on the subject. His books on intellectual history are always interesting and informative.

    Habermas is of great importance in contemporary academia. Though not formally associated with the Institute, he had vlose connections with some if its members.

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  94. @Ed
    I suspect that his wife after years of playing the dutiful spouse to his struggling artist enjoys the money, the Paris apartment and private school for their kid.

    No turning back now.

    Did he marry Kenyatta?

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  95. Jack D says:
    @Jack D
    I assume many here remember the Peter Seller's movie , "Being There", where a simple minded gardener is somehow elevated to a position of national prominence. Some elderly black people who know him personally as an idiot see him on TV and they take this as confirmation of racist double standards- a black man has to be extra brilliant to get anywhere but white skin privilege is so great that a white guy with the brains of a scarecrow can rise to national prominence ( Jeb Bush -cough, cough).

    Anyway, Coates is Seller's character taken full circle in the Current Year - even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.

    PS Credit to oddsbodkins who spotted this first. I didn’t see his post before I made mine.

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  96. @Chrisnonymous
    Why are the greenskeepers working in fours? I don't get it...

    Thanks, folks. I'll be in town all week!

    BTW, "The Syncophants" would be a great name for a band!

    Why are the greenskeepers working in fours? I don’t get it…

    Actually the country club was so rich (How rich were they?) that the greenskeepers were working in plus fours.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Superbly-hand-tailored-1930s-style-Vintage-Plus-Fours-Knicker-Pants-31-mint-/122763428843

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  97. MBlanc46 says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire should go on a Gettysburg battlefield tour together. Derbyshire and Coates could reminisce about their each individual previous trip to Gettysburg and how they FEEL about it. They might discuss the breakfast each enjoyed before touring the battlefield, or any slights they endured while driving on the road. Derbyshire, because he is a nice guy, will play along and make up a sad and scary elevator story to make Tennessee Coates FEEL better about about his own tragic elevator history.

    Steve Sailer brings up Coates and Gettysburg:

    Coates has a hard time remembering much besides his feelings. For example, the last three words of his account of a seventh-grade trip to Gettysburg reveal a repeated theme in Coates’ rise to best-selling memoirist: ALL IS FOG

     

    http://takimag.com/article/ta_nehisi_coates_all_is_fog_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4wWflmPkh

    Derbyshire is a good sport and he grew up on an island that is foggy as all hell. I ain't ever been to the island, but I read about it in books. Tennessee Coates most likely thinks he's just as good a writer as Dickens, Hardy or Fielding. I say he ought to bang a hollow log instead of writing.

    Coates has heard of Fielding, Dickens, or Hardy? Possibly, but I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.

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  98. Forbes says:
    @McFly
    How did Ta-Nehisi's year in France go?

    People often move to France to receive income offshore. Although US taxpayers (unlike everywhere else in the world) are required to report all global sources of income, I wonder if admitted “summoner of IRS” thought he was being clever by getting his MacArthur grant paid in France…

    This is open speculation.

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  99. Forbes says:
    @Sondjata
    Posted this there and posting it here:


    "Why have blacks failed to build much wealth? Well, African-Americans tend to be the poorest Americans but the richest Africans."

    Leaving out Africans, Blacks generally have less median wealth because, in gamblers parlance, they risk too much of their bank.

    Stories abound on how much black folks spend on sneakers, motor vehicles and hair care products.

    I recall that a long time ago I was reading Black Enterprise magazine. They have a section where they give a random reader advice on how to get out of debt and without fail the largest non-housing expense was their vehicle. Now BE had an advertising contract with Ford and Nissan at the time and so they would never tell their readers to *stop purchasing new vehicles* But that advise would have resulted in enormous gains in wealth in a single generation.

    I know people with less than half my income and a fraction of a fraction of my net worth who have the latest phones, latest clothes and latest shoes (and we're not talking PayLess).

    This is not to say that there are not white (or other) people who do poorly in the money management department, but when your group is in the money shit hole, these unwise decisions compound the problem.

    And I haven't even mentioned the marriage gap.

    The word you were looking for is “bling.”

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  100. Great article.

    Re: Coates and style, this sentence is telling:

    I’d felt like a failure all of my life—stumbling out of middle school, kicked out of high school, dropping out of college.

    This is bad writing. One needn’t always construct perfect parallelisms, but in polished prose, published in print, good writers would pause here and run through other possible permutations (including an omission of the unnecessary preposition). It’s not a great sequence to begin with, since he’s using two active verbs and one passive verb, but here’s a go . . .

    –stumbling, being kicked, dropping . . . No.
    –stumbling, dropping, being kicked . . . Better, but wrong order
    –I stumbled, I was kicked, I dropped . . . Maybe.
    –stumbled, kicked, dropped. I like this one.

    I’d felt like a failure all my life–stumbled out of middle school, kicked out of high school, dropped out of college. Hides the passivity of that problematic middle verb.

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  101. @Verymuchalive
    I must completely disagree. Coates is a fashionable, famous "cultural" figure. In reality, he is a shallow, wrongheaded, not very bright individual. It would be very easy to mock and disparage.
    What Mr Steve does is something much cleverer and more difficult. He places Coates in his social and historical setting - during the 50 year reign of goodwhites in America - and then performs a character dissection of Coates. I was going to say forensic character dissection - such is the quality.
    It is without doubt one of Mr Sailer's finest pieces. Mr Sailer has cut open a man using only pen and paper and shown us the man's soul.
    In recent years, the only comparison would be Gregory Hood's character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please ). Whilst Hood's piece is very good, Mr Steve's is even better, due to his careful delineation of fine detail.
    Mr Unz, file under Classic Articles.

    the only comparison would be Gregory Hood’s character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please )

    Cite please? I’d love a pointed take-down of Ray O. Dreher.

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    This is the first part of what is a very long essay. I don't know where the rest is. There has been a bit of a fall-out at Radix, so that may be the cause.
    http://www.christianityandrace.org/2014/05/the-multiculturalists-god-gregary-hood_17.html
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  102. MBlanc46 says:
    @Ed
    I suspect that his wife after years of playing the dutiful spouse to his struggling artist enjoys the money, the Paris apartment and private school for their kid.

    No turning back now.

    Either that or, now that he’s got something, dump his tail and take everything he’s got in divorce court.

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  103. res says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Quite a skewering of Tennessee, Steve.

    The obvious answer to why the man is America's "foremost intellectual" is that either by chance or by guile he's calculated the precise level of black anger that white liberals can tolerate and which they find useful as a cudgel against the great white middle. They can read (is this the right word?) his material and signal to one another about the "powerful" and "indispensable" piece by Tbunchofpunctuationmarks Coates.

    Jamelle Bouie must be cursing his parent(s) for the nakedness of his name without capricous use of punctuation marks.

    Remember that the proper phrase (TNC approved) is “most foremost public intellectual.”

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-melissa-harris-perry-americas/

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  104. @dc.sunsets
    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins parlayed their TV stardom into a commercial empire. Actors who appeared briefly on obscure SciFi shows earn a living by attending one fan convention after another, surrounded by people obsessed with very strange things indeed.

    Let's not forget the astonishing loot thrown at athletic entertainment and its passing stars.

    When "a fool and his money are soon parted," a nation of wealthy fools will keep a lot of the bizarre in business indefinitely.

    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins…

    Not to mention Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen…

    Oh, wait, some of you think these are worth listening to…

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    Elvis?
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  105. Living in Europe as I do, I have rarely (indeed, never) run across anybody with any interest in Coates.
    This blissful state of affairs ended abruptly two weeks ago when I hosted half a dozen affluent Seattleites to dinner somewhere in Britain’s Great North.
    One was a cousin, and to save her any embarrassment I had decided to keep mum, very mum, about American politics.
    But of course they could not keep off the topic. I did a pretty good balancing act, I thought, until one lady opined: “Coates in that Atlantic article was the best thing I’ve ever read”. “Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn’t it?” All nodded gravely, somberly.
    Unfortunately I had just taken more than a sip of the excellent wine on offer, which suddenly found itself in a broadening pool on the restaurant’s pristine white table cloth.

    “Ta-Nehisi”. The name had tripped off their tongues with ease; they clearly spoke it often, and with deep reverence.

    To all of you across the pond: my deepest sympathy.

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    TNC is big in the quality press this autumn in Germany - as is Colson Whitehead's "Underground Railroad" (I've read his first novel cover to cover - so I can rightfully say: There was an impressive hiatus between the work and the public judgement about it).
    , @Arclight
    No kidding. When he was finding his footing as a blogger he was more conversational and less angry/hopeless in his writing. Then he found his stride as a full-throated racial mythologist/cult leader and next thing you know every good liberal is tripping over the next to proclaim his genius.

    The comments (when they were still allowed) on his pieces in The Atlantic were nauseating to read. Dozens of ethno-masochists mentally masturbating over his words and ready to pounce on any dissent.

    I truly feel bad for guys like John McWhorter - he is incredibly intelligent and probably is often literally the smartest guy in the room, and a guy like TNC who is smarter than average but not exceptional is treated as a serious intellectual.
    , @Forbes

    So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn’t it?”
     
    Did you bother to ask why? White guilt? Our? Reminded?

    Not to be rude, but that's a lot of, well, questionable judgment on display. I would have loved to hear more for the entertainment value of the insane explaining themselves. When the opposition is busy digging a hole, do not interrupt--in fact, encourage them to keep digging.

    Tennessee Coates is a prop the megaphone-holding media uses to express what was formerly referred to as tokenism. That word has morphed into the euphemism 'diversity and inclusion.' Folks espousing silly concepts such as white guilt need to be reminded to explain themselves now and then. Quite possibly hearing their own thoughts spoken out loud might improve their thinking. Or at least prove the parable of the fool opening one's mouth and removing all doubt.
    , @Joe Sweet
    It occurred to me by the way you used it in your comment that "Seattleite" can be taken figuratively to describe a certain type of person, not just to reference their actual place of residence.

    I'll try it in a sentence.

    "Dude, my catering gig the other night--that gala non-profit fundraiser at the Four Seasons featuring Ray LaMontagne and the Alabama Shakes and hosted by Terry Gross?--Yeah, it would have been a lot cooler if it wasn't lousy with Seattleites."

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  106. George says:

    If I remember right he first got attention when he worked at The Atlantic. He would write a short piece about a popular subject and then carefully edit or curate (?) the comments section, which was an original idea at the time. I thought he was good at it. If he kept doing it he might have developed an interesting and original style.

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  107. @Jack D
    In future America they will put Dr. Coates's portrait on the One Hundred Trillion Dollar bill:

    http://cdn.globalcurrencyreset.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse.jpg

    Somehow the picture of that pile of rocks doesn’t inspire the same confidence in Order, Stability and Permanence that we look for in a bank as does say, the Parthenon-like Treasury Building.

    (We do like to believe that the place we trust with our savings will be around tomorrow when we want to withdraw it, don’t we?)

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  108. J.Ross says: • Website

    Don’t sneeze at blog compilation books! A new recruit or potential convert for our way of thinking could hardly do better than to dig into Heather MacDonald’s short, readable, relentlessly logical and fact-filled book The Burden of Bad Ideas, which remains foundationally relevant despite being a decade old. It is a compilation of her Wall Street Journal and New York Times columns. AmRen has a great compilation, Face To Face With Race, which works excellently as a pamphlet.
    Compilations in print can be sold for money and have the ability to reach readers who do not surf the interwebs (or who do not read a particular swath): vanity per-order presses allow you to retain editorial control and avoid remaindrage. A compilation also allows you to point up a particular pattern.
    The real moth-hole in Coates is whether anyone will know who he is or care what he thinks in ten years.
    Another thing: can anyone imagine a Trumpeter crying about his side being Eight Years In Power in terms of mourning?

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  109. I’m sure Sailer likes to spend springtime clubbing baby seals.

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  110. Arclight says:
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    I wonder where he ends up, being lauded a genius, knowing he is not...

    I went to school with one MacArthur winner. He was ambitious, smart, and focused on minutia... he also got a PhD advisor who had won a MacArthur Genius grant. The more meritocracy we have, the more important connections become...

    He is not a genius but he is not stupid either. He’ll ride this gravy train as long as he can – it’s actually pretty easy to find new ways to blame someone else for all that is wrong in the world, and there are always white progressives just waiting to fall over themselves to laud the ‘genius’ of any black person that cleans up relatively well. That’s why Marc Lamont Hill, Eric Dyson, and Joy Reid have careers.

    That’s the other thing that has to drive TNC nuts and might drive some of his hatred of whites – the way so many reflexively praise him no matter what he puts out. It’s how you treat a pet, not someone you truly view as an equal…but still, it’s the hand that feeds him and his family.

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  111. @Old Palo Altan
    Living in Europe as I do, I have rarely (indeed, never) run across anybody with any interest in Coates.
    This blissful state of affairs ended abruptly two weeks ago when I hosted half a dozen affluent Seattleites to dinner somewhere in Britain's Great North.
    One was a cousin, and to save her any embarrassment I had decided to keep mum, very mum, about American politics.
    But of course they could not keep off the topic. I did a pretty good balancing act, I thought, until one lady opined: "Coates in that Atlantic article was the best thing I've ever read". "Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn't it?" All nodded gravely, somberly.
    Unfortunately I had just taken more than a sip of the excellent wine on offer, which suddenly found itself in a broadening pool on the restaurant's pristine white table cloth.

    "Ta-Nehisi". The name had tripped off their tongues with ease; they clearly spoke it often, and with deep reverence.

    To all of you across the pond: my deepest sympathy.

    TNC is big in the quality press this autumn in Germany – as is Colson Whitehead’s “Underground Railroad” (I’ve read his first novel cover to cover – so I can rightfully say: There was an impressive hiatus between the work and the public judgement about it).

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    Why on earth would Europeans give a crap about the latest, dull, American writer navel-gazing over his unexceptional youth?

    I never cease to be amazed at the stuff people spend their time and money reading and watching. Not just silly, but boring and silly.
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  112. @Kathy Shaidle
    Coates says repeatedly that much of his own life is “a fog,” that he’s more grounded by stuff that happened before he was born.

    You’ll notice that Beck, while surer of his own story, probably can’t account for all of it, due to alcoholic blackouts. And as you say, he’s also a history buff. Stuff in books is more real to him than his own life.

    I’m like that too. I couldn’t name more than one of my teachers right now. I don’t remember graduating from high school but I must have. The only thing I vividly recall about a trip to Paris when I was a teenager was watching “Psycho" on the hotel room TV.

    But boy oh boy, ask me about Deacons for Defense and Justice, or the making of “Citizen Kane."

    This is probably because I was/am a catatonic introvert to the point of autism, clinically depressed and had a number of other (thankfully for my writing career) untreated mental problems. (See “alcoholic” above)

    Is that what’s up with Coates as well?

    Sheesh, Steve, you’re almost making me empathize with the guy...

    You sound like a real piece of work, Kathy, bless-your-heart, but you’ve got nothing on Glenn Beck when it comes to kookiness. To think that I used to watch him give lectures with his rotatable chalkboard on TV back in the late ‘oughts! Were I a practicing licensed psychiatrist, I would not hesitate to diagnose Mr. Beck’s problem as an acute case of adult latent-onset Stupidity, and I would prescribe numerous medications accordingly. Lucky for him, I am not licensed and I don’t need any practice. It’s easy.

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  113. Vinteuil says:
    @Verymuchalive
    " Yet, if you actually know more intellectual history than Beck does, then it's hard to be quite so confident when pondering the purported centrality of the Frankfurt School."
    Someone who knows a lot more intellectual history than Beck is Professor Paul Gottfried, who thinks the post 1968 left is essentially a product of Jurgen Habermas and other post-war German thinkers. It has very little to do with the Frankfort School. It may be classed as post-Marxist, rather than Marxist.
    I do hope Prof Gottfried has time to write a book on the subject. His books on intellectual history are always interesting and informative.

    Got my B.A. in philosophy at U.C. Berkeley in 1987, if I recall correctly.

    It would be impossible to exaggerate the prestige enjoyed at the time by Adorno & Horkheimer & the other Marxist mandarins – horrible little pricks that they all were.

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    When I studied philosophy at Berkeley in the late '60s such names were never heard. The people talked about were mostly still teaching at Berkeley itself, men like Feyerabend and Tarski, while names as diverse as Polanyi and Gilson appeared as guest lecturers for a semester or two. The general trend was very positivist, with Quine I seem to remember being everybody's current lodestar.

    Just another example of the precipitate decline of every institution in the West.

    Who do they celebrate nowadays I wonder?
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  114. Arclight says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Living in Europe as I do, I have rarely (indeed, never) run across anybody with any interest in Coates.
    This blissful state of affairs ended abruptly two weeks ago when I hosted half a dozen affluent Seattleites to dinner somewhere in Britain's Great North.
    One was a cousin, and to save her any embarrassment I had decided to keep mum, very mum, about American politics.
    But of course they could not keep off the topic. I did a pretty good balancing act, I thought, until one lady opined: "Coates in that Atlantic article was the best thing I've ever read". "Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn't it?" All nodded gravely, somberly.
    Unfortunately I had just taken more than a sip of the excellent wine on offer, which suddenly found itself in a broadening pool on the restaurant's pristine white table cloth.

    "Ta-Nehisi". The name had tripped off their tongues with ease; they clearly spoke it often, and with deep reverence.

    To all of you across the pond: my deepest sympathy.

    No kidding. When he was finding his footing as a blogger he was more conversational and less angry/hopeless in his writing. Then he found his stride as a full-throated racial mythologist/cult leader and next thing you know every good liberal is tripping over the next to proclaim his genius.

    The comments (when they were still allowed) on his pieces in The Atlantic were nauseating to read. Dozens of ethno-masochists mentally masturbating over his words and ready to pounce on any dissent.

    I truly feel bad for guys like John McWhorter – he is incredibly intelligent and probably is often literally the smartest guy in the room, and a guy like TNC who is smarter than average but not exceptional is treated as a serious intellectual.

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  115. May I suggest another thread around this … I’ve posted comments here a few times that our culture of safety for all is reducing natural selection and dumbing us down as a civilisation. This article on VDARE covers more serious research on that very theme:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/of-mice-and-men-spiteful-mutations-look-bad-for-the-west?content=Stefan%20Molyneux%20here:

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  116. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The depressing thing is how many brainwashed and deluded readers are busy praising Coates over at Goodreads in a masochistic orgy of goodwhite virtue-signalling. These readers are shrieking and jumping and down over Coates with wild, childish, pants-wetting enthusiasm. A group of conservatives ought to start banding together to take down these silly libtard idols with hard-headed reviews, and voting up these reviews en masse so they’re the first ones read. It’s important to break the spell of the emperor’s new clothes over there.

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  117. Xeric says:

    Nothing speaks more of our withdrawal from intellectual rigor as a populace than the elevation of Ton o’ Negro Quotes to his current high status. It’s a disheartening realization that we continue to swim in the same stagnant pond 5 decades after civil rights era. One can only wonder what the next fifty years of public discourse
    will lead to as regards these particular issues.

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  118. njguy73 says:
    @Jack D
    I assume many here remember the Peter Seller's movie , "Being There", where a simple minded gardener is somehow elevated to a position of national prominence. Some elderly black people who know him personally as an idiot see him on TV and they take this as confirmation of racist double standards- a black man has to be extra brilliant to get anywhere but white skin privilege is so great that a white guy with the brains of a scarecrow can rise to national prominence ( Jeb Bush -cough, cough).

    Anyway, Coates is Seller's character taken full circle in the Current Year - even a black simpleton like Coates can rise to national prominence . He is our Chauncey Gardener.

    He is our Chauncey Gardener.

    OK, that’s insulting.

    To Chauncey Gardener. He had a skill which could have earned him a market income outside of academia.

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  119. gregor says:

    The Atlantic has started doing a podcast. Coates was featured recently (episode 14). It’s an hour and a half of Coates sharing his deep insights with the syncophantic hosts. It’s a real treat to hear his brilliance in unfiltered, spoken form.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/radio-atlantic/

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    Thanks for your link - I just misread it as: ThePathetic.com
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  120. Svigor says:

    This is the place for you:

    Thx. :)

    BTW, “The Syncophants” would be a great name for a band!

    “Syncopants” were just lying there.

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  121. Vinteuil says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS."

    "summoned the IRS" is a rather odd way of putting "cheated on my income tax forms".

    "burned through credit cards" means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn't and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not--as Coates would have it--of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or "unhappy consciousness".

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

    “In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    “His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    “Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn’t and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    “Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    “Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion…”

    3cranes – are you, by any chance, a student in my current ethical theory course?

    Just kidding.

    Does “Socrates pull it off in fairly convincing fashion?” Only if by “fairly” you mean “not at all.”

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    Perhaps you were not convinced because you can't lift yourself out of the cynicism that pervades our nation today.

    Because this is so well put and relevant to today's situation I am going to quote directly from The Encyclopedia of Philosophy's section on Hegel.

    "at the periods of their greatness the Greeks and Romans were free peoples each individual of which regarded his own good as inseparable from the good of his community. When they lost their freedom, they lost the motives the bound them to their fellows; government and authority were now imposed from without, weighing down upon isolated individuals who came to regard their lives as individual possessions to be preserved irrespective of the social whole that alone gave them meaning."

    The parallels are startling.

    In America today: (1) authority is now imposed from without by a government made up of a tribe of alien peoples who share no interests with the governed. They have attacked the sacred traditions that bind them to one another. They mock and deride the very notion that a personal good can be identical with the common good.

    (2) As "Coming Apart" has shown we have devolved into a nation of isolated individuals.

    You are incapable of accepting Plato's argument because you are a product of today's intellectual climate in which we worship the rebel. Today it is commonly held that only an iconoclast can have the courage and individuality to push against convention and expand the frontiers of knowledge. Only the defiant genius can explore new forms of self expression in Art.

    It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato's argument.
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  122. Svigor says:

    “Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn’t it?”

    I’ll take your word this really happened.

    “Wait, what are you guilty of, now?”
    “You too. All of us. White guilt.”
    “Speak for yourself. Ancestral guilt is for savages.”

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  123. Svigor says:

    Lefties think they speak for the white race. They reinforce this racist, racialist implication on a regular basis.

    The idea that leftists speak for the white race, but the racialist right does not is absurd on its face.

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  124. bomag says:
    @Tulip
    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT's editorial page?

    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?

    TNC may be an annoying conspiracy theorist, but at least he is not writing a book on moral character while he bangs his ghost writer.

    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT’s editorial page?

    Yeah, but TNC gets quite a bit more hype as being someone with extraordinary insight. Sonia Sotomayor referenced him in one of her opinions; NPR practically utters “PBUH” after every mention of his name.

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  125. @anonymous
    "Eldritch energies"??? Puh-leeze!! It wouldn't surprise if much of the stuff ascribed to The Genius was and is ghostwritten in the fashion of JFK's amanuensis, Ted Sorensen, having fashioned "Profiles in Courage" and then slapping The Prince of Camelot's name on the cover as the "author." That goes for Beck too, but whereas Beck's star appears to have dipped under the horizon this won't happen to The Genius anytime soon for reasons which should be obvious.

    Quite agree,old chum. Let Teneesi refer to eldritch energies in front of his old Baltimore homies and they would clean his clock!
    “Dat fool talk in bout eldritch energies?What dat white folks boolshit? “

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  126. Anonym says:

    I didn’t learn anything about Coates. He is not the first over-promoted mediocrity on the speaking circuit. He won’t be the last.

    Most interesting was the bit about the Frankfurt School. I would expect a reference to KMac rather than Beck if you were going to question its influence. And likely an alternate hypothesis about why we have ended up in the current anti-white era if not for the Frankfurt School.

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  127. the pathetic thing about an otherwise prestigious magazine regularly publishing a race hustler is the fact that the race hustler’s articles are not subject to fact check. This is journalistic fraud. Coates’s hating-whitey BS is causing dumb blacks to attack whites. Please contact the Atlantic’s editor and ask why a race hustler’s articles are not fact checked. No one really talks about Coates’s end game–harming whites–perhaps it’s time.

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  128. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    With the ebbing of religion, Negro Worship became the new faith in America, esp among White Libs. It’s tied to MLK as the new founding father, the new messiah, the new christ, new martyr.

    Blacks are seen as holy because they not only suffered slavery and discrimination but can sing & dance and do sports.

    So, Negroes are supposed to be the Moral Arbiters of America. Whites are supposed to save and protect(instead of exploiting) black bodies so that blacks can save white souls.

    Blacks bodies are supposedly impoverished because whites treated blacks badly. But because whites gained so much by robbing blacks, their souls have become sick and diseased. So, the New Race Deal(maybe should be called New Steal) is about whites healing black bodies and blacks saving white souls.

    And MLK seemed to be that great leader. In a way, his death made the Negro-as-Saint bigger than ever. Turned into martyr, he could be worshiped like a god. If he’d lived on, he’d been just another Jesse Jackson.

    So, there is this constant search for the Great Black Hope. The one who might live up to the white dream of Negro as Moral Redeemer. But too many blacks are into crime, ugly rap, corruption, or dementia. And stuff like BLM turns invariably into Trash Talk and violence.

    Since blacks on their own are incapable of putting forth the Great Black Hope, white Libs must nurture and create them in their own Laboratory. The Lib-Lab. And Obama was a graduate from the Lib-Lab. His formative influences were hardly black. And even though The Nasty Coates grew up among Negroes, he found sanctuary among Nice White Folks who could channel his obligatory rage into pseudo-intellectual & pseudo-inspirational rhetoric. He is to social theory what Neil Degrassie Tyson is to science. A mascot for white Libs to show that they are into Diversity and the Great Black Hope. White Libs(and even White Cons) get high from over-praising blacks. (Thomas Sowell is smart guy but Paul Johnson praising him as the greatest thinker is just goofy.)

    Because of the Negro’s role in the American Imagination, every era needs its
    Negro Laureate.

    It’s like white feminists were esp taken with Alice Walker’s COLOR PURPLE.

    Also, The Nasty Coates looks like a turtle without a shell, a perpetually lost child in need of milk and cookies and kindness of strangers. He is Arnold for the intellectual class.

    Also, there is something strangely satisfying about watching a Negro succeed in intellectual field. Though whites once resisted the rise of black athletes, it’s now long been established that blacks are good at sports and dancing and physical stuff. So, there is hardly any moral excitement in championing the black athlete. Ali was the last one to ride on that wave because it was the Civil Rights Era. So, his victory had racial overtones. There is still some of that when black make inroads into sports that tend not to be very black. Like tennis and golf and gymnastics. And of course swimming and winter sports, those associated with white privilege and culture of exclusion. Even so, it’s hardly surprising that blacks, if given the chance, would do well in something like tennis.
    In some ways, there is a kind of subtle ‘racism’ in praising black success in sports. Some may see it as stereotyping blacks as BODIES who are more adept at brawn than brain. So, even as black success in sports is seen as triumph over ‘racism’, it is also felt as a kind of ‘racism’ since it stereotypes blacks as akin to beasts who can run and jump.

    So, it is more surprising and satisfying to see blacks do well in brainy fields in which they’ve lagged behind other races. This goes against stereotype. It also means that blacks as thinkers are less threatening than blacks as fighters or athletes or thugs. But the problem with praising blacks-as-thinkers is it makes them less authentic. It robs them of their black essence that is closely associated with the thug, street hustler, musician, athlete, or big personality. It could be construed as whites trying to force ‘whiteness’ on blacks. This is why white Libs feel uncomfortable around black conservatives. Why, they are ‘uncle toms’, and white Libs don’t want that.
    They want the non-threatening Negro but who retains his authenticity and this means Race & Rage. But for this Authentic Rage to be acceptable among white Libs, it must be articulated in less threatening manner. And the ‘genius’ of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.

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    And the ‘genius’ of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.
     
    Oh my - that is pure genius - I'm ̶s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ recycling that - with some from of attribution.

    Brilliant
    , @Ricardo VIllalobos
    You must be Priss
    , @Vinteuil
    Priss, I've got this theory that you are not amused. and that you don't give a radish what anybody thinks of you.
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  129. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    I disagree. Coates and his literary cult are doing real damage to the body politic (as well as personal relationships–see previous comments on iSteve).

    The sooner people stop paying attention to Coates the better.

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    The sooner people stop paying attention to Coates the better.
     
    Does anyone actually pay attention though?

    His books are there to be seen on bookshelves - to signal status. To supply a few choice quotes online, in the MSM. Does anyone actually read them or alter their life as a result?

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  130. @Vinteuil
    Got my B.A. in philosophy at U.C. Berkeley in 1987, if I recall correctly.

    It would be impossible to exaggerate the prestige enjoyed at the time by Adorno & Horkheimer & the other Marxist mandarins - horrible little pricks that they all were.

    When I studied philosophy at Berkeley in the late ’60s such names were never heard. The people talked about were mostly still teaching at Berkeley itself, men like Feyerabend and Tarski, while names as diverse as Polanyi and Gilson appeared as guest lecturers for a semester or two. The general trend was very positivist, with Quine I seem to remember being everybody’s current lodestar.

    Just another example of the precipitate decline of every institution in the West.

    Who do they celebrate nowadays I wonder?

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    Wow - you were there with Tarski?

    Feyerabend was always a flake.

    Who do they celebrate nowadays? Heck if I know. They've erased my name from their departmental citation list - so...whatever.
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  131. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

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    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aussies-back-immigration-cut-poll/news-story/13a2d3673ee1dc1cd6449a18327d7fd5

    Three quarters of Australians believe the country doesn’t need any more people and nearly half support a partial ban on Muslims being allowed to migrate here, a survey shows.

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  132. @Charles Pewitt
    Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire should go on a Gettysburg battlefield tour together. Derbyshire and Coates could reminisce about their each individual previous trip to Gettysburg and how they FEEL about it. They might discuss the breakfast each enjoyed before touring the battlefield, or any slights they endured while driving on the road. Derbyshire, because he is a nice guy, will play along and make up a sad and scary elevator story to make Tennessee Coates FEEL better about about his own tragic elevator history.

    Steve Sailer brings up Coates and Gettysburg:

    Coates has a hard time remembering much besides his feelings. For example, the last three words of his account of a seventh-grade trip to Gettysburg reveal a repeated theme in Coates’ rise to best-selling memoirist: ALL IS FOG

     

    http://takimag.com/article/ta_nehisi_coates_all_is_fog_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4wWflmPkh

    Derbyshire is a good sport and he grew up on an island that is foggy as all hell. I ain't ever been to the island, but I read about it in books. Tennessee Coates most likely thinks he's just as good a writer as Dickens, Hardy or Fielding. I say he ought to bang a hollow log instead of writing.

    “Tennessee Coates” is really annoying and not very funny.

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    Chrisnonymous says:

    “Tennessee Coates” is really annoying and not very funny.

    I say:

    Tennessee Coats is funny as hell. I can remember right off the bat how to spell TENNESSEE, but I still can't remember how the other version is spelled. Mr. Coates has origins in Virginia, according to some person on the internet, many people in Tennessee have ancestors from Virginia.

    Remember folks, the WHITE LIVES MATTER rally will be held this weekend in Tennessee. Tennessee Coates is welcome to stand in opposition. Coates is too rich for actual street level activism, but it would be funny to see him there.

    https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/922559661303324677
    , @snorlax
    But his brother Tallahassee's a gas.
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  133. @gregor
    The Atlantic has started doing a podcast. Coates was featured recently (episode 14). It's an hour and a half of Coates sharing his deep insights with the syncophantic hosts. It's a real treat to hear his brilliance in unfiltered, spoken form.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/radio-atlantic/

    Thanks for your link – I just misread it as: ThePathetic.com

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  134. Lurker says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS."

    "summoned the IRS" is a rather odd way of putting "cheated on my income tax forms".

    "burned through credit cards" means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn't and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not--as Coates would have it--of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or "unhappy consciousness".

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

    “For great justice!”

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  135. I want to see a debate between Steve and Derb “The White Coates” on the topic “Cultural Marxism”.

    BTW, Derb, you should work the phrase “Whites Coates Syndrome” into RadioDerb somehow.

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    Chrisnonymous says:

    BTW, Derb, you should work the phrase “Whites Coates Syndrome” into RadioDerb somehow.

     

    I say:

    I want to see Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire debate both "White Coates Syndrome" and "White Nose Syndrome."

    https://twitter.com/k8jamison/status/907635855275253760
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  136. Lurker says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I disagree. Coates and his literary cult are doing real damage to the body politic (as well as personal relationships--see previous comments on iSteve).

    The sooner people stop paying attention to Coates the better.

    The sooner people stop paying attention to Coates the better.

    Does anyone actually pay attention though?

    His books are there to be seen on bookshelves – to signal status. To supply a few choice quotes online, in the MSM. Does anyone actually read them or alter their life as a result?

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  137. guest says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    I used to think your way of Vox Day’s feud with John Scalzi. Though that situation is different because, despite his many shortcomings, Scalzi has achieved more in the realm of science fiction than Tennessee Coates ever will in the field of anything. Also, Steve doesn’t have a feud with Coates, because there’s no back-and-forth.

    But Scalzi so perfectly fits the points Vox likes to make about gamma males and SJWs that–like Voltaire said about God–if he didn’t exist, Vox would have to invent him. If Tennessee Coates didn’t exist, Steve wouldn’t have to invent him, but he’d have to pick another underqualified affirmative action intellectual off the shelf.

    It’s an important point to make: that these fellas exist and not only are their writings published, they’re fawned over. Says a lot you need to know about Current Year Western civilization. Steve is a good man to make the point, and Coates is the perfect example.

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  138. @Chrisnonymous
    "Tennessee Coates" is really annoying and not very funny.

    Chrisnonymous says:

    “Tennessee Coates” is really annoying and not very funny.

    I say:

    Tennessee Coats is funny as hell. I can remember right off the bat how to spell TENNESSEE, but I still can’t remember how the other version is spelled. Mr. Coates has origins in Virginia, according to some person on the internet, many people in Tennessee have ancestors from Virginia.

    Remember folks, the WHITE LIVES MATTER rally will be held this weekend in Tennessee. Tennessee Coates is welcome to stand in opposition. Coates is too rich for actual street level activism, but it would be funny to see him there.

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    Oh, boy, a minstrel show! Whites imitating blacks!
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  139. guest says:

    The point about Adorno and rock music are off-base. Not least because that’s not what Adorno is know for. He’s best know, perhaps, as the man who said, “To write a poem after Auschwitz is barbaric.” High Art and presumably Western Civilization in general are impossible because Nazis. (Don’t ask me and or him why. That doesn’t matter. Did Nietzsche prove through dialectical reasoning why he thinks God is dead?)

    Adorno’s meaning and importance is as yet another intellectual bent on the deconstruction of Western Civilization. If Marcuse is better remembered, it’s because he was part of what made the sexual revolution intellectually respectable. But of course the hippies didn’t need anyone to tell them to have sex, do drugs, or enjoy rock music. (Or anyone outside of Madison Avenue, I suppose.) The sex dam had been busted intellectually back around the turn of the 20th century. Which of course is why cultural Marxists were so up on Freud.

    Those neo-Marxists could have been into the lamest things possible, from marame to Pat Boone music. Wouldn’t much matter, except that it would preventing them engaging with students in their own time. But of course the hippies were just a thing that happened back when. Cultural Marxism persists on importance because it affected generations of minds, and minds that would end up being in positions of intellectual authorities.

    I highly doubt, for instance, that Marcuse’s “repressive tolerance” is virtually the law of the land because he was hip to the Stones, or whatever. The track whereby the public was introduced to leftist-inspired ideas from popular arts like rock music is separate from the track whereby cultural Marxism had its greatest influence. That was via the Long March through the Institutions. Probably full of many un-hip people who looked upon Woodstockian saturnalias with envy.

    I find the idea that Frankfurt School intellectuals being too un-hip to get along with 60s rock fans being akin to Coates ignoring mountains of statistical and anecdotal evidence about the lives of black folks over decades to be specious.

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    Sorry, marame = macrame.

    I feel compelled to admit that one of the main points of cultural Marxism was that high culture ought to be "with it," that philosophers should be "engaged," and so on. Leave aside for the moment whether that stance was merely tactical. Did it apply to individual Frankfurt School and allied figures, or was that only for some professor at Bumwad, U.?

    If Marcuse connected and "rapped" with kids, did they all have to? Or was it enough that, in the grand manner of Western high culture, they trained/infected the minds of those who'd be in power after them.

    They could very easily be culturally influential without getting down in the muck with us. Even if their teachings promoted muckiness.

    With Adorno, the message about high culture being dead was loud and clear, even if he scorned pop music and preferred commerce-proof music like serial composition. In his case, you got the same message, which was that there's no difference between High and low culture--at least after Auschwitz--while appealing to the type of people who pretend to enjoy Schoenberg. Which unfortunately is a lot of the type of people who run the intellectual world.

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  140. Tim says:

    Wow, Steve sure doesn’t like him some Ta-nisha Coates

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  141. guest says:
    @guest
    The point about Adorno and rock music are off-base. Not least because that's not what Adorno is know for. He's best know, perhaps, as the man who said, "To write a poem after Auschwitz is barbaric." High Art and presumably Western Civilization in general are impossible because Nazis. (Don't ask me and or him why. That doesn't matter. Did Nietzsche prove through dialectical reasoning why he thinks God is dead?)

    Adorno's meaning and importance is as yet another intellectual bent on the deconstruction of Western Civilization. If Marcuse is better remembered, it's because he was part of what made the sexual revolution intellectually respectable. But of course the hippies didn't need anyone to tell them to have sex, do drugs, or enjoy rock music. (Or anyone outside of Madison Avenue, I suppose.) The sex dam had been busted intellectually back around the turn of the 20th century. Which of course is why cultural Marxists were so up on Freud.

    Those neo-Marxists could have been into the lamest things possible, from marame to Pat Boone music. Wouldn't much matter, except that it would preventing them engaging with students in their own time. But of course the hippies were just a thing that happened back when. Cultural Marxism persists on importance because it affected generations of minds, and minds that would end up being in positions of intellectual authorities.

    I highly doubt, for instance, that Marcuse's "repressive tolerance" is virtually the law of the land because he was hip to the Stones, or whatever. The track whereby the public was introduced to leftist-inspired ideas from popular arts like rock music is separate from the track whereby cultural Marxism had its greatest influence. That was via the Long March through the Institutions. Probably full of many un-hip people who looked upon Woodstockian saturnalias with envy.

    I find the idea that Frankfurt School intellectuals being too un-hip to get along with 60s rock fans being akin to Coates ignoring mountains of statistical and anecdotal evidence about the lives of black folks over decades to be specious.

    Sorry, marame = macrame.

    I feel compelled to admit that one of the main points of cultural Marxism was that high culture ought to be “with it,” that philosophers should be “engaged,” and so on. Leave aside for the moment whether that stance was merely tactical. Did it apply to individual Frankfurt School and allied figures, or was that only for some professor at Bumwad, U.?

    If Marcuse connected and “rapped” with kids, did they all have to? Or was it enough that, in the grand manner of Western high culture, they trained/infected the minds of those who’d be in power after them.

    They could very easily be culturally influential without getting down in the muck with us. Even if their teachings promoted muckiness.

    With Adorno, the message about high culture being dead was loud and clear, even if he scorned pop music and preferred commerce-proof music like serial composition. In his case, you got the same message, which was that there’s no difference between High and low culture–at least after Auschwitz–while appealing to the type of people who pretend to enjoy Schoenberg. Which unfortunately is a lot of the type of people who run the intellectual world.

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    "...the type of people who pretend to enjoy Schoenberg..."

    Damn them. Damn them all to Hell. They destroyed the single greatest achievement of Western civilization: the musical tradition that began with plainchant and ended with Britten & Shostakovich.
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  142. We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy

    He can’t even get the title right. It sounds like the tragedy was their being in power.

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    It was.
    , @anonymous
    I'll be damned ...you're right!! Hate to admit it but I hadn't even noticed. Ahh, I can hear the fallback response i.e. "He was being ironic", blah, blah.
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  143. whoever says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    " Yet, if you actually know more intellectual history than Beck does, then it's hard to be quite so confident when pondering the purported centrality of the Frankfurt School."
    Someone who knows a lot more intellectual history than Beck is Professor Paul Gottfried, who thinks the post 1968 left is essentially a product of Jurgen Habermas and other post-war German thinkers. It has very little to do with the Frankfort School. It may be classed as post-Marxist, rather than Marxist.
    I do hope Prof Gottfried has time to write a book on the subject. His books on intellectual history are always interesting and informative.

    Along those lines, I was surprised that in the post about why blacks have bodies and not souls anymore, even though Sailor illustrated it with the cover of Du Bois’ The Souls of Black Folk, nobody brought up the fact that Du Bois was just riffing off Seeleleben and Volksseele, concepts which he got from his German mentors — including Gustav von Schmoller and Adolf Wagner and those who influenced them, scholars such as Ludwig Schemann, and through him J.G Herder with his concept of the Volksgeist.
    Du Bois was immersed in the thought-world of such men as Paul Legarde, Friedrich Ratzel, Ernst Troeltsch, Wilhelm Wundt, Leo Frobenius, and Georg Simmel, among others. Ratzel’s theories, in particular, permeate The Souls of Black Folk.
    Du Bois applied these German thinkers’ ideas to the race situation in America, and was profoundly influential in his time, but the ultimate result seems to have been that Sam & Dave had a hit singing I’m a Soul Man, composer Isaac Hayes apparently believing that “soul” as used by blacks had something to do with the Bible and Passover.
    People do forget.

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    "nobody brought up the fact that Du Bois was just riffing off Seeleleben and Volksseele"
    I did point to that, although in a very roundabout way.
    DuBois is interesting indeed. Born 3 years after Lincoln's assassination, late in life he emigrated to Africa and died in Accra, Ghana the year of the J. F. Kennedy murder. He is the antipode to Muhammad "I'm glad my grandpa got on that boat" Ali, but only got there through a process of adoption and repudiation of various German thinkers.

    Steve's basic point re: Adorno is correct. Maybe I can be tempted to adduce evidence if it comes up again sometime (I do think that it's not of practical relevance today.)

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  144. @Chrisnonymous
    I want to see a debate between Steve and Derb "The White Coates" on the topic "Cultural Marxism".

    BTW, Derb, you should work the phrase "Whites Coates Syndrome" into RadioDerb somehow.

    Chrisnonymous says:

    BTW, Derb, you should work the phrase “Whites Coates Syndrome” into RadioDerb somehow.

    I say:

    I want to see Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire debate both “White Coates Syndrome” and “White Nose Syndrome.”

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    Wait, I'm confused. Bats snort cocaine, or you snort cocaine?
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  145. So who is America’s leading public intellectual?

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    Commercially viable topical commentary is a thing of the past and patronage means less than it once did as the quality press implodes. Even a generation ago, it was a simpler matter to identify the most influential conveyors of content - William Shawn, Robert Silvers, Norman Cousins, and Wm. F. Buckley - than producers of it (though Buckley did a great deal of both).
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  146. @Anon
    With the ebbing of religion, Negro Worship became the new faith in America, esp among White Libs. It's tied to MLK as the new founding father, the new messiah, the new christ, new martyr.

    Blacks are seen as holy because they not only suffered slavery and discrimination but can sing & dance and do sports.

    So, Negroes are supposed to be the Moral Arbiters of America. Whites are supposed to save and protect(instead of exploiting) black bodies so that blacks can save white souls.

    Blacks bodies are supposedly impoverished because whites treated blacks badly. But because whites gained so much by robbing blacks, their souls have become sick and diseased. So, the New Race Deal(maybe should be called New Steal) is about whites healing black bodies and blacks saving white souls.

    And MLK seemed to be that great leader. In a way, his death made the Negro-as-Saint bigger than ever. Turned into martyr, he could be worshiped like a god. If he'd lived on, he'd been just another Jesse Jackson.

    So, there is this constant search for the Great Black Hope. The one who might live up to the white dream of Negro as Moral Redeemer. But too many blacks are into crime, ugly rap, corruption, or dementia. And stuff like BLM turns invariably into Trash Talk and violence.

    Since blacks on their own are incapable of putting forth the Great Black Hope, white Libs must nurture and create them in their own Laboratory. The Lib-Lab. And Obama was a graduate from the Lib-Lab. His formative influences were hardly black. And even though The Nasty Coates grew up among Negroes, he found sanctuary among Nice White Folks who could channel his obligatory rage into pseudo-intellectual & pseudo-inspirational rhetoric. He is to social theory what Neil Degrassie Tyson is to science. A mascot for white Libs to show that they are into Diversity and the Great Black Hope. White Libs(and even White Cons) get high from over-praising blacks. (Thomas Sowell is smart guy but Paul Johnson praising him as the greatest thinker is just goofy.)

    Because of the Negro's role in the American Imagination, every era needs its
    Negro Laureate.

    It's like white feminists were esp taken with Alice Walker's COLOR PURPLE.

    Also, The Nasty Coates looks like a turtle without a shell, a perpetually lost child in need of milk and cookies and kindness of strangers. He is Arnold for the intellectual class.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvvNfnSIqo

    Also, there is something strangely satisfying about watching a Negro succeed in intellectual field. Though whites once resisted the rise of black athletes, it's now long been established that blacks are good at sports and dancing and physical stuff. So, there is hardly any moral excitement in championing the black athlete. Ali was the last one to ride on that wave because it was the Civil Rights Era. So, his victory had racial overtones. There is still some of that when black make inroads into sports that tend not to be very black. Like tennis and golf and gymnastics. And of course swimming and winter sports, those associated with white privilege and culture of exclusion. Even so, it's hardly surprising that blacks, if given the chance, would do well in something like tennis.
    In some ways, there is a kind of subtle 'racism' in praising black success in sports. Some may see it as stereotyping blacks as BODIES who are more adept at brawn than brain. So, even as black success in sports is seen as triumph over 'racism', it is also felt as a kind of 'racism' since it stereotypes blacks as akin to beasts who can run and jump.

    So, it is more surprising and satisfying to see blacks do well in brainy fields in which they've lagged behind other races. This goes against stereotype. It also means that blacks as thinkers are less threatening than blacks as fighters or athletes or thugs. But the problem with praising blacks-as-thinkers is it makes them less authentic. It robs them of their black essence that is closely associated with the thug, street hustler, musician, athlete, or big personality. It could be construed as whites trying to force 'whiteness' on blacks. This is why white Libs feel uncomfortable around black conservatives. Why, they are 'uncle toms', and white Libs don't want that.
    They want the non-threatening Negro but who retains his authenticity and this means Race & Rage. But for this Authentic Rage to be acceptable among white Libs, it must be articulated in less threatening manner. And the 'genius' of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.

    And the ‘genius’ of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.

    Oh my – that is pure genius – I’m ̶s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ recycling that – with some from of attribution.

    Brilliant

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  147. guest says:
    @Tulip
    How is Ta-Nehisi Coates any more middlebrow or affected than David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or anyone else on the NYT's editorial page?

    What about Krugman? Globo-partisan hack extraordinaire. Maybe he actually contributed something to economics in ancient days of yore, but when did he last have an original thought and not some regurgitated Dem Talking Point?

    TNC may be an annoying conspiracy theorist, but at least he is not writing a book on moral character while he bangs his ghost writer.

    There’s nothing wrong with being middle-brow, first of all. I don’t think anyone has a problem with Tennessee Coates on account of that. It’s that they pretend he’s something more. No one thinks of the Brookses or Friedmans of the world as having Coates-ian levels of special insight.

    More importantly, Brooks isn’t so much affected as under cover. There’s a big difference. Coates isn’t as blackety-black as they (he included) may want us to think. He comes off more like a white nerd, as Steve points out, if you look closely.

    But he is largely what he claims to be (though a less intelligent version of it). Brooks, on the other hand, plays the “Hello, fellow white people” and “Hello, fellow conservatives” games.

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  148. Bill says:
    @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    The economist George Stigler wrote an essay called “A certain Galbraith in an uncertain age,” which is parallel. Galbraith was an intellectually lazy but popular clown, and Stigler was a towering intellect (largely unknown outside economics). Stigler condescended to kicking around the toddler as Steve does here and with a similar bemused humor. In another essay (or maybe in that one, I don’t recall), Stigler argues forcefully that it is an unpleasant obligation of non-nitwits to point out the nitwittery of nitwits as a kind of social hygiene.

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  149. @Vinteuil
    "In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    "His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    "Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn’t and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    "Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    "Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion..."

    3cranes - are you, by any chance, a student in my current ethical theory course?

    Just kidding.

    Does "Socrates pull it off in fairly convincing fashion?" Only if by "fairly" you mean "not at all."

    Perhaps you were not convinced because you can’t lift yourself out of the cynicism that pervades our nation today.

    Because this is so well put and relevant to today’s situation I am going to quote directly from The Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s section on Hegel.

    “at the periods of their greatness the Greeks and Romans were free peoples each individual of which regarded his own good as inseparable from the good of his community. When they lost their freedom, they lost the motives the bound them to their fellows; government and authority were now imposed from without, weighing down upon isolated individuals who came to regard their lives as individual possessions to be preserved irrespective of the social whole that alone gave them meaning.”

    The parallels are startling.

    In America today: (1) authority is now imposed from without by a government made up of a tribe of alien peoples who share no interests with the governed. They have attacked the sacred traditions that bind them to one another. They mock and deride the very notion that a personal good can be identical with the common good.

    (2) As “Coming Apart” has shown we have devolved into a nation of isolated individuals.

    You are incapable of accepting Plato’s argument because you are a product of today’s intellectual climate in which we worship the rebel. Today it is commonly held that only an iconoclast can have the courage and individuality to push against convention and expand the frontiers of knowledge. Only the defiant genius can explore new forms of self expression in Art.

    It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato’s argument.

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    3Cranes - don't get me wrong. I doubt whether it would even be possible for anybody to venerate Socrates & Plato more than I do. I teach the first four books of The Republic every chance I get. It is, in contempt of question, the foundational work of both ethical & political philosophy.

    And yet - Socrates/Plato's responses to the challenges of, first, Thrasymachus, and second, Glaucon & Adeimantus, are deeply unconvincing.

    I say that, not because I'm a cynic, but because I just don't find the arguments convincing.

    "It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato’s argument."

    Sorry, but I think you've run right off the rails, here. One of the main points of Socrates' response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing.
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  150. AM says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    I used to read and comment on his blog. Then I realized something was wrong when someone got banned for holding the exact same position as he did (effective altrusim). Looking back I realize what the problem is- he isn't honest. Yeah, a big claim. I'll give an example:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

    How could possibly anyone worry about crime or ethnic conflict? 'You'll note both of those things have increased since 2013. In short the people he was attacking look more right about human nature and the future then him. Given he openly states that

    -you should update beliefs on new evidence
    -the best evidence something is true is successful predictions

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his's model of the world can't explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.

    He isn't capable of doing so. He 'thing' is the principle of charity and niceness. If it turns out those are worthless (because it turns out most people don't actually think rationally) then he is up a creek without a paddle.

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his’s model of the world can’t explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.

    Western atheism is an ideology onto itself. It is not an obvious POV. If you surveyed the world, over human history, you’d find it to be an abnormality. Western atheism being an ideology of it’s own, you’d expect this behavior. He’s attached to his model, not the facts or rationality. Ironically, an irrational attachment to the high quality of their own personal rationality is usually what marks a militant atheist.

    I’ve been reading up on Fr. Malachi Martin, an interesting blast from the near past recently. In the last chapter of his book, The Jesuits, he explains we’re in a time of not really agnosticism or atheism but abolition. We’re going to pretend this religion thing does not exist at all. That it never really existed.

    So if you’re going to ignore Christianity, you also need to ignore atheism. What’s the point of stating , repeatedly, that there is no God? Of what need does anyone have of such a thing when we all know (supposedly) that religion is stupid? The need to answer to a question nobody (apparently) is asking is unsettling. After all, I don’t need to state repeatedly that the earth is not flat because it’s well, silly on the face it. It’s the same idea.

    That, besides the astute observation on that thread that Islam has become the new darling of the left, is what’s causing the rejection. An age without religion does not need preachers of any persuasion, including atheist.

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    He’s attached to his model, not the facts or rationality.
     
    Optimist. I go with the much more depressing view. He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.

    This should be obvious unless you are an idiot or autistic (or both). People still go for rationality for status signaling reasons- it is the mark of clever sillies which a way of showing you are smarter then everyone else.

    The big error behind rationality is that while intelligence is generalizable (high IQ people pick up new skills faster then low IQ people, all else being equal), knowledge is not. Being rational will not allow you to understand the world more effectively then people who put in the effort and focus on empirical work. This is hard and means that you cannot learn everything but there is no magic shortcuts.
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  151. guest says:

    I would also like to point out that though many, many more people enjoy popular music at some level* than those who at least pretend to reject it on principle, the latter group exists. Included amongst them are people in positions of influence.

    Modernist “classical” music persists with no mass audience to speak of. Which, as with other forms of modern art, probably wouldn’t be possible without theorists theorizing with their mumbo-jumbo theories. Adorno is a good source for that sort of thing, updated with Current Year seasoning, of course. While the theories probably aren’t so obviously Marxist-derived anymore, they’ll have a proper dose of anti-capitalism.

    For those who can’t even pretend to like that crap, they can turn to “indigenous” music, or simply commercial music that’s non-white or from long enough ago that it somehow has lost the property of commerciality.

    The left is constantly multi-tracking, and as such you can count on them to reject Adorno altogether in favor of low commercial music like rock or jazz at the sane time they embrace his teachings and stand four-square against commercial music of all kinds.

    *There are those who pick and choose according to taste or what’s made for their type of person; those who attach themselves to certain groups, movements or eras for musical and extra-musical reasons alike; those who in the postmodern tradition affect to liking the most cloying, money-grubbing acts possible; and so on and so on.

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  153. AM says:

    Ta-Nehisi Coates hit the writer’s lottery. He may live his life in an ongoing fog, but he does have one genius. He nailed the modern pop non-fiction style. Reading it is an immersion in warm fuzzies that makes the reader feel like a veritable genius. It’s the cotton candy of the mind that never challenges anything of importance. Authors that can manage it as a “native language” will find work a lot of work with the lefties, who measure themselves in books/papers read. Even better if the author’s intellectual level is so low that they don’t need to take up drinking to manage career in it. Ta-Nehisi Coates appears to have that plus the black Pokemon points plus an exotic name. He was made for writing columns for the Atlantic and then parting fools from their money a second time.

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  154. whoever says: • Website
    @Kathy Shaidle
    Coates says repeatedly that much of his own life is “a fog,” that he’s more grounded by stuff that happened before he was born.

    You’ll notice that Beck, while surer of his own story, probably can’t account for all of it, due to alcoholic blackouts. And as you say, he’s also a history buff. Stuff in books is more real to him than his own life.

    I’m like that too. I couldn’t name more than one of my teachers right now. I don’t remember graduating from high school but I must have. The only thing I vividly recall about a trip to Paris when I was a teenager was watching “Psycho" on the hotel room TV.

    But boy oh boy, ask me about Deacons for Defense and Justice, or the making of “Citizen Kane."

    This is probably because I was/am a catatonic introvert to the point of autism, clinically depressed and had a number of other (thankfully for my writing career) untreated mental problems. (See “alcoholic” above)

    Is that what’s up with Coates as well?

    Sheesh, Steve, you’re almost making me empathize with the guy...

    Now that that the “Ask a Mexican” guy is retiring, maybe you could write an “Ask a Canadian” column for Unz.
    You are savage!

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    "Ask a Canadian" seems like a good idea.

    I went to an improv club half a dozen years ago, "Black Night" at the Groundlings, where black comedians improv what some famous movie ("Die Hard" in our case) would be like if all the characters were black. Keegan-Michael Key was great, but he kind of left the audience behind because he got into riffing on French-Canadian jokes (with himself playing Canada's only African-American Quebecois) that largely went over the heads of the L.A. audience, few of whom knew anything about Quebec.

    , @Joe Sweet
    Great idea. I'd read that even though much of Kathy's prose reminds me of trying to have a rational conversation while peaking on mushrooms.
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  155. @whoever
    Now that that the "Ask a Mexican" guy is retiring, maybe you could write an "Ask a Canadian" column for Unz.
    You are savage!

    “Ask a Canadian” seems like a good idea.

    I went to an improv club half a dozen years ago, “Black Night” at the Groundlings, where black comedians improv what some famous movie (“Die Hard” in our case) would be like if all the characters were black. Keegan-Michael Key was great, but he kind of left the audience behind because he got into riffing on French-Canadian jokes (with himself playing Canada’s only African-American Quebecois) that largely went over the heads of the L.A. audience, few of whom knew anything about Quebec.

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    "but he kind of left the audience behind because he got into riffing on French-Canadian jokes (with himself playing Canada’s only African-American Quebecois) that largely went over the heads of the L.A. audience, few of whom knew anything about Quebec."

    Betcha I would have found it funny. Darn.
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  156. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Can the center hold it all together again?

    I always knew that the media and academia were libby-dib and proggy-wog. Still, I thought both areas were filled with sane and able professionals. They might be deluded, naive, dogmatic, or a bit dishonest, but I thought they were still sane people.

    Wow… the Trump election exposed the sheer lunacy of these people. And the Trump Effect reverberated across other news items. Take the Las Vegas shooting. The CBS vice-president tweeted that the victims deserve no sympathy because they are Christian Cons, the kind who would have voted for Trump. According to these nutters, Trump is ‘literally hitler’ and anyone who voted for him is a ‘nazi’ and deserve to be Dresdened out of existence.

    Bush Derangement Syndrome was nothing compared to this. Also, given how stupid and destructive Bushism was around the world, the Bush Derangement Syndrome(the other BDS) seemed at least half-valid.

    But why did Trump trigger so many people? What is wrong with borders, nationalism, concern for American workers, and caution about foreign policy(even though Trump under Neocon influence may go down the same crazy road as Bush and Obama)?

    Trump pissed off the elites so much that they can’t hold back their true nature, and it’s spilled out all over the place. And it is insane. If Trump did one good thing, it was triggering the lunatics who run media and academia and letting them expose themselves. What a total meltdown. And what total demise of journalist ethics. The media were always biased but the Russia Hacking story is really out of this world, esp as the Libby-dibs have been telling us forever of the bad ole Joe McCarthy days.

    Take Kurt Eichenwald. If not for the Trump election, he would not have exposed himself as the total nutter that he is. He wrote a book about a nutter: THE INFORMANT made into a fun movie by Soderbergh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Eichenwald#Books

    I would have thought Eichenwald is just a tip-top journalist, a sane person who followed an interesting story of someone who has trouble with the truth. But it turns out Eichenwald is no less a nutter than the nutter in THE INFORMANT. We have nutters reporting about nutters. I mean, how did a nutter like that get to work for MSM?
    And just like the nutter in THE INFORMANT, Eichenwald just spins new narratives to rationalize whatever he’s caught doing. So, when Pol expose his interest in tentacle anime porn, his defense involved his wife and children
    Yeah sure.

    Before Trump, I knew the media were biased and sometimes dishonest.
    Now, I know the media are filled with nutters, lunatics, hysterics, neurotics, and downright psychos.

    This is funnier than THE INFORMANT. A nutter accusing Trump of being a nutter.

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  157. Lugash says:

    Amity Shales gave this four stats, and I’m the one in prison?

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  158. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @J1234
    Liberal whites always want to see "Mr. Bojangles" (from that sappy late 60's song) in all black people, and it's relatively easy to see Mr. Bojangles in Mr. Coates, at least when you compare him to other Afro-centric literary activists. That may be another key to his success.

    His somewhat cheerful, smiling thick-headedness in interviews is interpreted as sensitivity or being approachable (or something.) Liberal whites probably say to themselves, "hey, here's a black activist that we can actually get to like us!" Or maybe it's just his thick-headedness that they find appealing.

    Notice this interviewer's reticence or diffidence when presenting Mr. Coates just a few semi-challenging ideas to the genius's latest thesis (that Trump is a white supremacist.) The interviewer feels the need to preface the challenge with several compliments about his interviewee's work, much like a sixth grade teacher would do with one of his students regarding an essay. The interviewer is entering dangerous territory here - he may may offend the one black activist who actually likes him.

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/ta-nehisi-coates-you-might-be-a-white-supremacist-1047918659949

    ‘Liberal whites probably say to themselves, “hey, here’s a black activist that we can actually get to like us!”’

    On the other hand, John McWhorter thinks some of them might come to grips with reality (watch for 30 seconds or so at the link):

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  159. AM says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Ask a Canadian" seems like a good idea.

    I went to an improv club half a dozen years ago, "Black Night" at the Groundlings, where black comedians improv what some famous movie ("Die Hard" in our case) would be like if all the characters were black. Keegan-Michael Key was great, but he kind of left the audience behind because he got into riffing on French-Canadian jokes (with himself playing Canada's only African-American Quebecois) that largely went over the heads of the L.A. audience, few of whom knew anything about Quebec.

    “but he kind of left the audience behind because he got into riffing on French-Canadian jokes (with himself playing Canada’s only African-American Quebecois) that largely went over the heads of the L.A. audience, few of whom knew anything about Quebec.”

    Betcha I would have found it funny. Darn.

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  160. bomag says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS."

    "summoned the IRS" is a rather odd way of putting "cheated on my income tax forms".

    "burned through credit cards" means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn't and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not--as Coates would have it--of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or "unhappy consciousness".

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    Such as Coates are happy to make it a permanent compromise; he is more than content to raise up a quasi religion that casts himself as struggling against evil. In a fairer world, he has no tax problems, no debt problems. In this world, he is surrounded by wreckers targeting him personally. But keep the faith; with the application of enough ball peen hammers to the heads of the evil ones, paradise will be ushered in.

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  161. Forbes says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Living in Europe as I do, I have rarely (indeed, never) run across anybody with any interest in Coates.
    This blissful state of affairs ended abruptly two weeks ago when I hosted half a dozen affluent Seattleites to dinner somewhere in Britain's Great North.
    One was a cousin, and to save her any embarrassment I had decided to keep mum, very mum, about American politics.
    But of course they could not keep off the topic. I did a pretty good balancing act, I thought, until one lady opined: "Coates in that Atlantic article was the best thing I've ever read". "Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn't it?" All nodded gravely, somberly.
    Unfortunately I had just taken more than a sip of the excellent wine on offer, which suddenly found itself in a broadening pool on the restaurant's pristine white table cloth.

    "Ta-Nehisi". The name had tripped off their tongues with ease; they clearly spoke it often, and with deep reverence.

    To all of you across the pond: my deepest sympathy.

    So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn’t it?”

    Did you bother to ask why? White guilt? Our? Reminded?

    Not to be rude, but that’s a lot of, well, questionable judgment on display. I would have loved to hear more for the entertainment value of the insane explaining themselves. When the opposition is busy digging a hole, do not interrupt–in fact, encourage them to keep digging.

    Tennessee Coates is a prop the megaphone-holding media uses to express what was formerly referred to as tokenism. That word has morphed into the euphemism ‘diversity and inclusion.’ Folks espousing silly concepts such as white guilt need to be reminded to explain themselves now and then. Quite possibly hearing their own thoughts spoken out loud might improve their thinking. Or at least prove the parable of the fool opening one’s mouth and removing all doubt.

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    I usually read "diversity" as "Down with Whitey!" But the phrase "diversity and exclusion" cries out to be interpreted as "uniformity and exclusion." Because the sort of people who'd say it live in Oppositeland.
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  162. @Anon
    The depressing thing is how many brainwashed and deluded readers are busy praising Coates over at Goodreads in a masochistic orgy of goodwhite virtue-signalling. These readers are shrieking and jumping and down over Coates with wild, childish, pants-wetting enthusiasm. A group of conservatives ought to start banding together to take down these silly libtard idols with hard-headed reviews, and voting up these reviews en masse so they're the first ones read. It's important to break the spell of the emperor's new clothes over there.

    Writing a hard-headed review requires one to read the book, and that is asking too much.

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  163. @Samuel Skinner
    I used to read and comment on his blog. Then I realized something was wrong when someone got banned for holding the exact same position as he did (effective altrusim). Looking back I realize what the problem is- he isn't honest. Yeah, a big claim. I'll give an example:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

    How could possibly anyone worry about crime or ethnic conflict? 'You'll note both of those things have increased since 2013. In short the people he was attacking look more right about human nature and the future then him. Given he openly states that

    -you should update beliefs on new evidence
    -the best evidence something is true is successful predictions

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his's model of the world can't explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.

    He isn't capable of doing so. He 'thing' is the principle of charity and niceness. If it turns out those are worthless (because it turns out most people don't actually think rationally) then he is up a creek without a paddle.

    He ‘thing’ is the principle of charity

    Takes some stones for an atheist to claim that one for his own. It’s not like it’s the name of a prominent religion or anything.

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  164. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    When you have a country the size of the USA with the amount of disposable wealth available, there will always be a large enough pool of wealth to support whatever idiocy can be popularized.

    The Olsen Twins...
     
    Not to mention Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen...

    Oh, wait, some of you think these are worth listening to...

    Elvis?

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  165. Thea says:
    @MBlanc46
    Black nationalists are already there, of course. White Leftists are still too married to integrationism. But as more blacks and Leftists buy into “whites are irredeemably racist”, we may see more support for separation.

    The only separation they will accept puts us 6 feet under. We’ve seen black power over whites in Haiti, Detroit and Zimbabwe. We will not be given the option of segregation.

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    We outnumber them. We’re smarter than they are. We should be able to negotiate a decent deal. It won’t be free. But it will be worth it.
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  166. Joe Sweet says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Living in Europe as I do, I have rarely (indeed, never) run across anybody with any interest in Coates.
    This blissful state of affairs ended abruptly two weeks ago when I hosted half a dozen affluent Seattleites to dinner somewhere in Britain's Great North.
    One was a cousin, and to save her any embarrassment I had decided to keep mum, very mum, about American politics.
    But of course they could not keep off the topic. I did a pretty good balancing act, I thought, until one lady opined: "Coates in that Atlantic article was the best thing I've ever read". "Ta-Nehisi, you mean? Yes, brilliant. So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn't it?" All nodded gravely, somberly.
    Unfortunately I had just taken more than a sip of the excellent wine on offer, which suddenly found itself in a broadening pool on the restaurant's pristine white table cloth.

    "Ta-Nehisi". The name had tripped off their tongues with ease; they clearly spoke it often, and with deep reverence.

    To all of you across the pond: my deepest sympathy.

    It occurred to me by the way you used it in your comment that “Seattleite” can be taken figuratively to describe a certain type of person, not just to reference their actual place of residence.

    I’ll try it in a sentence.

    “Dude, my catering gig the other night–that gala non-profit fundraiser at the Four Seasons featuring Ray LaMontagne and the Alabama Shakes and hosted by Terry Gross?–Yeah, it would have been a lot cooler if it wasn’t lousy with Seattleites.”

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  167. CCZ says:

    I have not seen Tiny Duck come to the defense of TNC. Is reading Mr. Coates above Tiny’s grade level or does his favorite “verysmartbrothas” have better stories?

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    CCZ, Tiny Duck may be TNC, without an editor.
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  168. Ian M. says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS."

    "summoned the IRS" is a rather odd way of putting "cheated on my income tax forms".

    "burned through credit cards" means what? He opened a new account and borrowed money to make payments on the old, maxed-out one? Ad infinitum?

    In my leanest years it never would have occurred to me to engage is such behavior.

    In the Republic Socrates argues that the man who is inwardly good yet outwardly reviled is happier than the man who is outwardly acclaimed yet inwardly bad. (A forerunner to Christian ethics).

    His interlocutors challenge him to prove his contention.

    Imagine one of two men who has won all worldly prizes that life has to offer. He has fame, wealth, babes, power, and a reputation for wonderfulness. However, he has achieved all of this by having been perfectly conniving and corrupt. His cunning is so masterful that no one sees him for the dastardly charlatan he is. In short, he is the perfect double-masked Devil. Everything he seems to be he isn't and everything he is, he appears not to be.

    Now contrast him with his mirror-image double. This is a man who is perfectly good and just in his dealings with his family and fellow citizens. He is honest in all his transactions, giving as good as he gets. In spite of this he is reviled. Folks think he is a dishonest liar and ostracize him from the community.

    Socrates makes the rather fantastic claim that the man who is reviled yet honest is a happier man than the one who has won worldly wealth but did so by being completely false. That the poor, abused victim of injustice is actually happier would seem to be a tough thing to prove. And yet Socrates pulls it off in fairly convincing fashion.

    He shows that the charlatan, like Coates, is forever overdrawing his accounts so to speak, engaging in one scam here to cover his scam over there that is about to unwind. Such a man is actually tormented and has no equanimity. He is a victim, but not--as Coates would have it--of an oppressive society that menaces him, but of his own mistreatment of his society. Having once violated the compact of implicit trust that characterizes healthy give and take with the wider social network the unrepentant scammer is doomed to abusing the very thing he depends upon for his self esteem and to esteeming the very thing he abuses.

    The credit card swindle is the perfect metaphor. The swindler, as he sits in the chair before the New Accounts Officer need only appear creditworthy; he need not really be so. Coates, like all blacks, has learned that the system lowers its standards to men of color and how to leverage the system’s soft spot into all sorts of perks. But his relationship with the bank is symbiotic. He needs their credit, their money, which makes him dependent, weaker and inferior. Because he goes through the charade of appearing respectable, he must become aware of his literal duplicity and his craven dependence. He must see that he bows down to the very thing he spits upon and this causes inner turmoil—what Hegel called “the divided consciousness” or "unhappy consciousness".

    He wrestles with his discomfort and justifies his duplicity by telling himself that the system is in some deep, mysterious way, unfair and that therefore his actions, if not commendable, are at any rate not blameworthy—a necessary, if temporary, compromise.

    And then he writes books about the whole thing, projecting events in such a way as to make his role that of the detached, intelligent observer. And gets even more money from the system he reviles.

    Yeah ok, but what does Socrates say about black bodies?

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    Socrates *wuz* black.

    Or at least stoke his philosophy from Egypt, which is in Africa, which is where blacks is from, QED.

    We wuz Greek n sheit.
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  169. snorlax says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    "Tennessee Coates" is really annoying and not very funny.

    But his brother Tallahassee’s a gas.

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  170. Joe Sweet says:
    @whoever
    Now that that the "Ask a Mexican" guy is retiring, maybe you could write an "Ask a Canadian" column for Unz.
    You are savage!

    Great idea. I’d read that even though much of Kathy’s prose reminds me of trying to have a rational conversation while peaking on mushrooms.

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  171. Corvinus says:
    @AndrewR
    It's sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it's even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left's anti-white policies and rhetoric. Yes, a non-zero amount of vitriol towards Barack Obama was due to his Kenyan ancestry, but, like his mother, he always had a disdain for his mother's people, and he showed that in ways that were often far from subtle. And of course the leftists in general was far less reserved than Obama was in expressing their disdain for whites. I distinctly recall the unhinged gloating immediately after Obama's reelection.

    "WE IN CHARGE NOW, CRACKERS!"

    The evidence leads to the irrefutable conclusion that the left wants purebred whites to cease to exist by any means necessary.

    “It’s sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it’s even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left’s anti-white policies and rhetoric.”

    “White identity politics” was a reaction to Radical Reconstruction policies and the repudiation and destruction of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, “anti-white policies” is merely an Alt Right buzzword. How do YOU define “anti-white”? What metrics are involved here?

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    Double standards to whites' detriment.
    , @Art Deco
    How do YOU define “anti-white”? What metrics are involved here?

    The corruption of institutional purposes to provide (1) patronage or (2) contrived gestures of deference; the crafting of institutional policies which are puzzling outside the assumption that they're necessary to clear an infestation. If you spend enough time around faculty and administrators (without imbibing their worldview), you notice a couple of things, and one of those things is the ready and oft-expressed contempt for their natural clientele. "Diversity" means fewer of the people they don't like. It also means that the franchise to form incorporated associations is withdrawn in a sectarian manner, because some sorts are regarded as akin to criminal mafias. Fraternities and evangelical associations are common targets of higher ed apparatchiki.
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  172. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jim jones
    Saudi Arabia says it is planning a revolutionary new city, Coates should have been consulted about the promo video as most of the people are White:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMQB1Vw0I

    This is really interesting stuff, and I suspect anyone who claims to know what to make of it is faking. After some puzzlement, my initial take is that this is a genuinely bold move to save the House of Saud and to forge a path that will make Islam (some sort of “moderate”, but even more overtly hedonistic, Islam) into the genuine religion of some Brave New World.
    Maybe quasi-SJW globalism and “moderate” Islam could actually merge. Obviously, anyone who frequents “dissident right” websites is aware that people routinely puzzle over the bizarre alliance between SJW’s and Islam, despite the obvious incompatibilities. But maybe this is an actual attempt to overcome the differences.
    On one level, this might seem like overthinking, since this strikes me more directly as a bold attempt to save the House of Saud from obliteration. But necessity is often the mother of invention.

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  173. guest says:
    @Ian M.
    Yeah ok, but what does Socrates say about black bodies?

    Socrates *wuz* black.

    Or at least stoke his philosophy from Egypt, which is in Africa, which is where blacks is from, QED.

    We wuz Greek n sheit.

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  174. @Faraday's Bobcat
    We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy

    He can't even get the title right. It sounds like the tragedy was their being in power.

    It was.

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  175. guest says:
    @Forbes

    So important to be reminded of our white guilt, isn’t it?”
     
    Did you bother to ask why? White guilt? Our? Reminded?

    Not to be rude, but that's a lot of, well, questionable judgment on display. I would have loved to hear more for the entertainment value of the insane explaining themselves. When the opposition is busy digging a hole, do not interrupt--in fact, encourage them to keep digging.

    Tennessee Coates is a prop the megaphone-holding media uses to express what was formerly referred to as tokenism. That word has morphed into the euphemism 'diversity and inclusion.' Folks espousing silly concepts such as white guilt need to be reminded to explain themselves now and then. Quite possibly hearing their own thoughts spoken out loud might improve their thinking. Or at least prove the parable of the fool opening one's mouth and removing all doubt.

    I usually read “diversity” as “Down with Whitey!” But the phrase “diversity and exclusion” cries out to be interpreted as “uniformity and exclusion.” Because the sort of people who’d say it live in Oppositeland.

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  176. @AM

    You should expect he might have a change of mind because his’s model of the world can’t explain increasing numbers of grenade attacks in Sweden. He deals with this by ignoring it.
     
    Western atheism is an ideology onto itself. It is not an obvious POV. If you surveyed the world, over human history, you'd find it to be an abnormality. Western atheism being an ideology of it's own, you'd expect this behavior. He's attached to his model, not the facts or rationality. Ironically, an irrational attachment to the high quality of their own personal rationality is usually what marks a militant atheist.

    I've been reading up on Fr. Malachi Martin, an interesting blast from the near past recently. In the last chapter of his book, The Jesuits, he explains we're in a time of not really agnosticism or atheism but abolition. We're going to pretend this religion thing does not exist at all. That it never really existed.

    So if you're going to ignore Christianity, you also need to ignore atheism. What's the point of stating , repeatedly, that there is no God? Of what need does anyone have of such a thing when we all know (supposedly) that religion is stupid? The need to answer to a question nobody (apparently) is asking is unsettling. After all, I don't need to state repeatedly that the earth is not flat because it's well, silly on the face it. It's the same idea.

    That, besides the astute observation on that thread that Islam has become the new darling of the left, is what's causing the rejection. An age without religion does not need preachers of any persuasion, including atheist.

    He’s attached to his model, not the facts or rationality.

    Optimist. I go with the much more depressing view. He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.

    This should be obvious unless you are an idiot or autistic (or both). People still go for rationality for status signaling reasons- it is the mark of clever sillies which a way of showing you are smarter then everyone else.

    The big error behind rationality is that while intelligence is generalizable (high IQ people pick up new skills faster then low IQ people, all else being equal), knowledge is not. Being rational will not allow you to understand the world more effectively then people who put in the effort and focus on empirical work. This is hard and means that you cannot learn everything but there is no magic shortcuts.

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    Rationality is just a tool, idolized by the Enlightenment. It can be used for silly ends by silly people, evil ends by evil people, etc., but there are "better guides than reason."

    Our current ruling class set up the Managerial Society supposedly to achieve the "greatest happiness for the greatest number" through impersonal processes of Reason and Light. Somewhere along the way--maybe immediately--they confused plans as being useful because they're impersonal, like the Constitution, the free market, non-discrimination, and so on. Some of them actually work, and some better than others. But you're correct, there are no magical shortcuts. No cheat sheets.

    Technocracy really should he about applying human intelligence to hopefully fix a series of discrete problems. But in practice, it means making the Bed of Procrustes the law of the land, and stretching, cramming, and cutting humanity to fit the size planners have in mind. Because dealing with human as-is is too hard.

    , @AM

    He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.
     
    And yet you've come up with an extremely rational post. ;)

    I agree that attempts at rationality without knowledge is useless, but a rational person seeks out knowledge,so the point is moot.

    It's not that I'm an optimist on the point of human nature. One cannot be that and be a faithful Catholic. (I'm far more grim on human nature than any liberal and the vast majority of atheists. I think people start out rotters and rot by default, as a function of time only.)

    Rather, I understand reason to a best odds tool (as another poster put well) by which people may understand the world. Not perfect, but it will work better than the alternative, which is to not try at all.
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  177. Mr. Blank says:

    The secret behind Coates’ appeal to white liberals is that he’s not very smart.

    My preferred formulation is that Coates is smart, but not TOO smart. He’s just smart enough to give warm, fuzzy feelings to earnest liberals, who feel like they’re helping to uplift a deserving Young Black Intellectual. He reminds me a bit of the old acting joke about the lousy actor who’s lousy because he’s always “Acting.” Coates isn’t a writer, he’s a Writer. Thay’s his weakness. I’ve recently been reading “A Confederacy of Dunces,” and there’s a certain amount of Coates in Ignatius Reilly.

    There’s no denying he’s smart, and he has genuine talent. But he’s not so smart that he might start getting uppity ideas about condescending upper-class white people. He’s not dangerous. Oh, he might be dangerous rhetorically, but everybody else in the faculty lounge knows it’s just a performance.

    Personally, Coates just strikes me as a sad, sad man. In years past he might have found the help he needs, but today’s world just isn’t built on that…

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  178. @The Man From K Street

    the only comparison would be Gregory Hood’s character dissection in Radix of Rod Dreher ( pass the sickbag, please )
     
    Cite please? I'd love a pointed take-down of Ray O. Dreher.

    This is the first part of what is a very long essay. I don’t know where the rest is. There has been a bit of a fall-out at Radix, so that may be the cause.

    http://www.christianityandrace.org/2014/05/the-multiculturalists-god-gregary-hood_17.html

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  179. @jim jones
    Saudi Arabia says it is planning a revolutionary new city, Coates should have been consulted about the promo video as most of the people are White:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMQB1Vw0I

    They’re creating a Singapore-SF crossbreed. Probably, they plan to extract rents from innovation to replace their rents from their perishable natural resource.

    I doubt it’ll work out. As it happens, as I was watching their NEOM promo video showing beautiful coral reeves, there was a travel program on in the background with a guy tiptoeing across the beach in Abu Dhabi into the sea and complaining “the sand is too hot and the water is… not refreshing.”

    I detect a lot of realestate promotion there… There’s tremendous, tremendous opportunity there. And the designs are the best, just the best. You’re going to be amazed how big the city is. It’ll be huuuuuuge!

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  180. @Barnard
    I saw Coates was going to be on Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates last night on PBS. Didn't watch it, but I see that Coates ancestry results came back as 15.6% European and 83.4% Sub-Saharan African. Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.

    Gates jokes with him that he ought to give 15.6% of his salary back.

    Ho, that’s a real zinger.

    How did TNC take it? (Assuming he understand its you’ve-only-got-this-gig-cos-you’re-black purport.)

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  181. @dc.sunsets
    I figure that when all this is reframed, blacks will be outraged that YT was so racist that YT promoted among the dullest blacks available for public acclaim.

    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black "debate teams" available on youtube.

    https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

    There's nothing more sad than people so stupid that they don't realize their public performances are parallel to watching the antics of "Monkey Island" at a zoo. Who is worse, the monkeys who throw poop or the zoo keepers who encourage them to amplify their ridicule-inducing performances?

    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black “debate teams” available on youtube.

    I remember that. Simply astonishing.

    Gotta love the FOX News host’s exuberant introduction, as though she were introducing debate champs of actual merit. Some devious part of me hopes she was only doing it to highlight the stupendous idiocy of “awarding” these cretins. (Alas, it was probably her concern for her livelihood. The boss: “Now you had better look enthusiastic. If I catch the slightest hint of sarcasm in your tone, you’re done!”)

    Maybe this debate style should be called having a Ta-Nehisi-fit.

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    Maybe this debate style should be called having a Ta-Nehisi-fit.
     
    That is, an outpouring of racial grief that is more about the mood your words create than the substance of what they say.
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  182. @dc.sunsets
    I figure that when all this is reframed, blacks will be outraged that YT was so racist that YT promoted among the dullest blacks available for public acclaim.

    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black "debate teams" available on youtube.

    https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

    There's nothing more sad than people so stupid that they don't realize their public performances are parallel to watching the antics of "Monkey Island" at a zoo. Who is worse, the monkeys who throw poop or the zoo keepers who encourage them to amplify their ridicule-inducing performances?

    I can imagine some Chinese historian, a hundred years from now, setting out to write a triumphalist history of his country’s victory over the once formidable superpower United States. He stumbles across this evidence and in a lightning strike it hits him, “Lawl, paww Yenkee, he berieve sometink dis stupit, he neva hava chance!”

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  183. @whoever
    Along those lines, I was surprised that in the post about why blacks have bodies and not souls anymore, even though Sailor illustrated it with the cover of Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk, nobody brought up the fact that Du Bois was just riffing off Seeleleben and Volksseele, concepts which he got from his German mentors -- including Gustav von Schmoller and Adolf Wagner and those who influenced them, scholars such as Ludwig Schemann, and through him J.G Herder with his concept of the Volksgeist.
    Du Bois was immersed in the thought-world of such men as Paul Legarde, Friedrich Ratzel, Ernst Troeltsch, Wilhelm Wundt, Leo Frobenius, and Georg Simmel, among others. Ratzel's theories, in particular, permeate The Souls of Black Folk.
    Du Bois applied these German thinkers' ideas to the race situation in America, and was profoundly influential in his time, but the ultimate result seems to have been that Sam & Dave had a hit singing I'm a Soul Man, composer Isaac Hayes apparently believing that "soul" as used by blacks had something to do with the Bible and Passover.
    People do forget.

    “nobody brought up the fact that Du Bois was just riffing off Seeleleben and Volksseele”
    I did point to that, although in a very roundabout way.
    DuBois is interesting indeed. Born 3 years after Lincoln’s assassination, late in life he emigrated to Africa and died in Accra, Ghana the year of the J. F. Kennedy murder. He is the antipode to Muhammad “I’m glad my grandpa got on that boat” Ali, but only got there through a process of adoption and repudiation of various German thinkers.

    Steve’s basic point re: Adorno is correct. Maybe I can be tempted to adduce evidence if it comes up again sometime (I do think that it’s not of practical relevance today.)

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  184. Svigor says:

    Blacks are seen as holy because they not only suffered slavery and discrimination but can sing & dance and do sports.

    Blacks are pushed as holy by the Big Media regime because, owing to black incompetence and malfeasance, it’s the only option open to them: legerdemain, prestidigitation, hokum. Who’s to say that bum sleeping under the bridge isn’t a holy man? He isn’t smart, capable, honest, or reliable, but by Heavens, he can be Holy if we say so.

    “Tennessee Coates” is really annoying and not very funny.

    It’s perfect. It’s right there begging to be used, every time anyone fumbles for his stupid name.

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  185. @silviosilver

    Putting this Coates clown on display is as painful as the video of those black “debate teams” available on youtube.
     
    I remember that. Simply astonishing.

    Gotta love the FOX News host's exuberant introduction, as though she were introducing debate champs of actual merit. Some devious part of me hopes she was only doing it to highlight the stupendous idiocy of "awarding" these cretins. (Alas, it was probably her concern for her livelihood. The boss: "Now you had better look enthusiastic. If I catch the slightest hint of sarcasm in your tone, you're done!")

    Maybe this debate style should be called having a Ta-Nehisi-fit.

    Maybe this debate style should be called having a Ta-Nehisi-fit.

    That is, an outpouring of racial grief that is more about the mood your words create than the substance of what they say.

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  186. Stealth says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Being poorly experienced, dreamy, overly sensitive/self-reflective, Ta Nehisi-Coates is the ideal character in our age of "antiquarianism" (love this term) and narcissism. (I just happend to imagine a multi-coloured Rolls-Royce with a "Ta" instead of the "Emily" as "Spirit of Ecstasy"...

    The dawning of the Age of Antiquarius.

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  187. @Dieter Kief
    TNC is big in the quality press this autumn in Germany - as is Colson Whitehead's "Underground Railroad" (I've read his first novel cover to cover - so I can rightfully say: There was an impressive hiatus between the work and the public judgement about it).

    Why on earth would Europeans give a crap about the latest, dull, American writer navel-gazing over his unexceptional youth?

    I never cease to be amazed at the stuff people spend their time and money reading and watching. Not just silly, but boring and silly.

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    Why on earth would Europeans give a crap about the latest, dull, American writer navel-gazing over his unexceptional youth?
     
    Colson Whitehead and Ta-Nehishi Coates are read here in Germany/Switzerland/ Austria as proof, that racism is the foundation of the problems, the american blacks face.

    And this thought is very important for all those who claim, that - you know: There's just no limit whatsoever for immigration.

    All you have to do to make unrestricted mass-immigration a huge success is - To Avoid Racism!!

    - See - that's the secret formula to open the door to the 21st century's pastures of plenty!

    (Therefor, Ta-Nehishi Coates et. al. are celebrated here as the bearers of the Holy Grail of social progress and world-freedom - - - and not the tiniest little bit less).

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  188. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    But whereas his forebears carried whiteness like an ancestral talisman, Trump cracked the glowing amulet open, releasing its eldritch energies.
     

    And so I derived great meaning from the work of writing. But I could not pay the rent with “great meaning.” I could not buy groceries with “great meaning.” With “great meaning” I overdrew accounts. With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.
     
    I should learn to write like this.

    I'd grind my teeth down to nubs, but the meaning I would concomitantly derive from the fount of verbiage would be a beneficient salve, a thaumaturgic "release." With this "release," thus would I pay off my mortgage. Thus would I, too, acquire an invisible knapsack to carry about my oblivious body.

    With “great meaning” I burned through credits cards and summoned the IRS.

    “Summoned” is misused in this context as it implies intentionality. Did St. Coates really want the IRS to visit him?

    You just know his editors are in on the scam because a good one would never let such a howler pass.

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  189. @Charles Pewitt
    Chrisnonymous says:

    BTW, Derb, you should work the phrase “Whites Coates Syndrome” into RadioDerb somehow.

     

    I say:

    I want to see Tennessee Coates and John Derbyshire debate both "White Coates Syndrome" and "White Nose Syndrome."

    https://twitter.com/k8jamison/status/907635855275253760

    Wait, I’m confused. Bats snort cocaine, or you snort cocaine?

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  190. AndrewR says:
    @Corvinus
    "It’s sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it’s even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left’s anti-white policies and rhetoric."

    "White identity politics" was a reaction to Radical Reconstruction policies and the repudiation and destruction of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, "anti-white policies" is merely an Alt Right buzzword. How do YOU define "anti-white"? What metrics are involved here?

    Double standards to whites’ detriment.

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    "Double standards to whites’ detriment."

    Except to some whites those "double standards" are not to their detriment. So are those whites who feel that way no longer white?

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  191. @Anon
    With the ebbing of religion, Negro Worship became the new faith in America, esp among White Libs. It's tied to MLK as the new founding father, the new messiah, the new christ, new martyr.

    Blacks are seen as holy because they not only suffered slavery and discrimination but can sing & dance and do sports.

    So, Negroes are supposed to be the Moral Arbiters of America. Whites are supposed to save and protect(instead of exploiting) black bodies so that blacks can save white souls.

    Blacks bodies are supposedly impoverished because whites treated blacks badly. But because whites gained so much by robbing blacks, their souls have become sick and diseased. So, the New Race Deal(maybe should be called New Steal) is about whites healing black bodies and blacks saving white souls.

    And MLK seemed to be that great leader. In a way, his death made the Negro-as-Saint bigger than ever. Turned into martyr, he could be worshiped like a god. If he'd lived on, he'd been just another Jesse Jackson.

    So, there is this constant search for the Great Black Hope. The one who might live up to the white dream of Negro as Moral Redeemer. But too many blacks are into crime, ugly rap, corruption, or dementia. And stuff like BLM turns invariably into Trash Talk and violence.

    Since blacks on their own are incapable of putting forth the Great Black Hope, white Libs must nurture and create them in their own Laboratory. The Lib-Lab. And Obama was a graduate from the Lib-Lab. His formative influences were hardly black. And even though The Nasty Coates grew up among Negroes, he found sanctuary among Nice White Folks who could channel his obligatory rage into pseudo-intellectual & pseudo-inspirational rhetoric. He is to social theory what Neil Degrassie Tyson is to science. A mascot for white Libs to show that they are into Diversity and the Great Black Hope. White Libs(and even White Cons) get high from over-praising blacks. (Thomas Sowell is smart guy but Paul Johnson praising him as the greatest thinker is just goofy.)

    Because of the Negro's role in the American Imagination, every era needs its
    Negro Laureate.

    It's like white feminists were esp taken with Alice Walker's COLOR PURPLE.

    Also, The Nasty Coates looks like a turtle without a shell, a perpetually lost child in need of milk and cookies and kindness of strangers. He is Arnold for the intellectual class.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvvNfnSIqo

    Also, there is something strangely satisfying about watching a Negro succeed in intellectual field. Though whites once resisted the rise of black athletes, it's now long been established that blacks are good at sports and dancing and physical stuff. So, there is hardly any moral excitement in championing the black athlete. Ali was the last one to ride on that wave because it was the Civil Rights Era. So, his victory had racial overtones. There is still some of that when black make inroads into sports that tend not to be very black. Like tennis and golf and gymnastics. And of course swimming and winter sports, those associated with white privilege and culture of exclusion. Even so, it's hardly surprising that blacks, if given the chance, would do well in something like tennis.
    In some ways, there is a kind of subtle 'racism' in praising black success in sports. Some may see it as stereotyping blacks as BODIES who are more adept at brawn than brain. So, even as black success in sports is seen as triumph over 'racism', it is also felt as a kind of 'racism' since it stereotypes blacks as akin to beasts who can run and jump.

    So, it is more surprising and satisfying to see blacks do well in brainy fields in which they've lagged behind other races. This goes against stereotype. It also means that blacks as thinkers are less threatening than blacks as fighters or athletes or thugs. But the problem with praising blacks-as-thinkers is it makes them less authentic. It robs them of their black essence that is closely associated with the thug, street hustler, musician, athlete, or big personality. It could be construed as whites trying to force 'whiteness' on blacks. This is why white Libs feel uncomfortable around black conservatives. Why, they are 'uncle toms', and white Libs don't want that.
    They want the non-threatening Negro but who retains his authenticity and this means Race & Rage. But for this Authentic Rage to be acceptable among white Libs, it must be articulated in less threatening manner. And the 'genius' of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.

    You must be Priss

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  192. Art Deco says:
    @Mitchell Porter
    So who is America's leading public intellectual?

    Commercially viable topical commentary is a thing of the past and patronage means less than it once did as the quality press implodes. Even a generation ago, it was a simpler matter to identify the most influential conveyors of content – William Shawn, Robert Silvers, Norman Cousins, and Wm. F. Buckley – than producers of it (though Buckley did a great deal of both).

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  193. @CCZ
    I have not seen Tiny Duck come to the defense of TNC. Is reading Mr. Coates above Tiny's grade level or does his favorite “verysmartbrothas” have better stories?

    CCZ, Tiny Duck may be TNC, without an editor.

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  194. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus
    "It’s sad but not surprising that so few leftists seem aware of the fact that white identity politics (to the extent that it’s even a thing and not just the paranoid delusions of hyper-neurotic anti-white racists) is almost entirely a function of the left’s anti-white policies and rhetoric."

    "White identity politics" was a reaction to Radical Reconstruction policies and the repudiation and destruction of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, "anti-white policies" is merely an Alt Right buzzword. How do YOU define "anti-white"? What metrics are involved here?

    How do YOU define “anti-white”? What metrics are involved here?

    The corruption of institutional purposes to provide (1) patronage or (2) contrived gestures of deference; the crafting of institutional policies which are puzzling outside the assumption that they’re necessary to clear an infestation. If you spend enough time around faculty and administrators (without imbibing their worldview), you notice a couple of things, and one of those things is the ready and oft-expressed contempt for their natural clientele. “Diversity” means fewer of the people they don’t like. It also means that the franchise to form incorporated associations is withdrawn in a sectarian manner, because some sorts are regarded as akin to criminal mafias. Fraternities and evangelical associations are common targets of higher ed apparatchiki.

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    "The corruption of institutional purposes to provide (1) patronage or (2) contrived gestures of deference;"

    Assuming what you say is true, the Alt Right, if it was in charge of those institutions, would also act in a similar manner. "Their own kind", however manufactured by the Alt Right, would be given preferences at the expense of groups deemed to be other than conservative or those who defer to patriarchy. Is it not therefore simply a shell game, again assuming that "patronage" and "contrived gestures of deference" are standard operating procedure?

    "the crafting of institutional policies which are puzzling outside the assumption that they’re necessary to clear an infestation."

    Similar to those on the Alt Right who insist that "converged" churches ought to be ripped by root and branch of those individuals deemed heretics and "cucks"?

    "If you spend enough time around faculty and administrators (without imbibing their worldview), you notice a couple of things, and one of those things is the ready and oft-expressed contempt for their natural clientele."

    What I notice is that there are loudmouth lefties and righties at today's universities engaging in racial and gender haggling, with your normies simply moving through the day shaking their head at the madness of it all.

    "Fraternities and evangelical associations are common targets of higher ed apparatchiki."

    Well, some fraternities engaged in not so brotherly acts on college campuses.

    And as far as evangelical associations, most universities require religious groups to sign nondiscrimination policies. These groups have welcomed anyone to participate in their activities, including homosexuals and atheists, but insist that, in selecting campus leaders, that they must be representative of their particular faith. The consequences of those evangelical associations which refuse to agree with this policy includes losing their official standing. On one hand, the university ought to be more respectful of an internal decision. On the other hand, the university makes certain rules and groups that refuse to abide by those rules, however perceived to be archaic, are subject to "punishment". The Supreme Court in a controversial ruling sided with universities in one particular case.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/29court.html

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  195. Am I the only one who finds George H W Bush’s reparations for his confinement to his wheelchair hilarious?

    The man knows how to turn a lemon into lemonade.

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    "...a remake of Candide, where a naive young Coatesian protagonist struggles to maintain his belief in the oppression of black bodies, despite repeated painful demonstrations to the contrary."

    Now that could be really funny. Just as a docu-drama telling the true story of the U.Va. non-rape or the Duke non-rape could be endlessly entertaining.

    But these stories will never be told. They'll never even make it to the cutting-room floor.
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  196. Eagle Eye says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Being poorly experienced, dreamy, overly sensitive/self-reflective, Ta Nehisi-Coates is the ideal character in our age of "antiquarianism" (love this term) and narcissism. (I just happend to imagine a multi-coloured Rolls-Royce with a "Ta" instead of the "Emily" as "Spirit of Ecstasy"...

    Observations:

    1. Ta-Genius Coates’s writing style is relatively literate in a New Yorker/NPR kind of way. By contrast, the substance of his writings is largely dreary, Leftist party line, with only one subject – being black. (Or “Blackety-blackety-blackety-black” as the Derb put it.)

    2. TGC expressly disclaims having memories of many major life events and personal impressions.

    3. Instead, the “antiquarian” approach allows him to recycle material from books written by others.

    Hypothesis:

    TGC is a front man of unassailable race fronting for Deep State interests (hence genius grant). His books and articles are ghostwritten.

    As the Obama biographies showed, it is risky for a ghostwriter to delve into personal details that could be falsified by contemporary observers. Also, writing personal stories would require the ghostwriter to interact extensively with the subject/purported author.

    For the ghostwriter, it is much easier to claim amnesia for his/her subject, and to simply base writings on library books. A fancy name like “antiquarian” helps make this scam seem more sophisticated than it is.

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  197. Vinteuil says:
    @candid_observer
    Am I the only one who finds George H W Bush's reparations for his confinement to his wheelchair hilarious?

    The man knows how to turn a lemon into lemonade.

    “…a remake of Candide, where a naive young Coatesian protagonist struggles to maintain his belief in the oppression of black bodies, despite repeated painful demonstrations to the contrary.”

    Now that could be really funny. Just as a docu-drama telling the true story of the U.Va. non-rape or the Duke non-rape could be endlessly entertaining.

    But these stories will never be told. They’ll never even make it to the cutting-room floor.

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  198. @StillCARealist
    Why on earth would Europeans give a crap about the latest, dull, American writer navel-gazing over his unexceptional youth?

    I never cease to be amazed at the stuff people spend their time and money reading and watching. Not just silly, but boring and silly.

    Why on earth would Europeans give a crap about the latest, dull, American writer navel-gazing over his unexceptional youth?

    Colson Whitehead and Ta-Nehishi Coates are read here in Germany/Switzerland/ Austria as proof, that racism is the foundation of the problems, the american blacks face.

    And this thought is very important for all those who claim, that – you know: There’s just no limit whatsoever for immigration.

    All you have to do to make unrestricted mass-immigration a huge success is – To Avoid Racism!!

    - See – that’s the secret formula to open the door to the 21st century’s pastures of plenty!

    (Therefor, Ta-Nehishi Coates et. al. are celebrated here as the bearers of the Holy Grail of social progress and world-freedom – – – and not the tiniest little bit less).

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  199. Corvinus says:
    @AndrewR
    Double standards to whites' detriment.

    “Double standards to whites’ detriment.”

    Except to some whites those “double standards” are not to their detriment. So are those whites who feel that way no longer white?

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  200. guest says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    He’s attached to his model, not the facts or rationality.
     
    Optimist. I go with the much more depressing view. He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.

    This should be obvious unless you are an idiot or autistic (or both). People still go for rationality for status signaling reasons- it is the mark of clever sillies which a way of showing you are smarter then everyone else.

    The big error behind rationality is that while intelligence is generalizable (high IQ people pick up new skills faster then low IQ people, all else being equal), knowledge is not. Being rational will not allow you to understand the world more effectively then people who put in the effort and focus on empirical work. This is hard and means that you cannot learn everything but there is no magic shortcuts.

    Rationality is just a tool, idolized by the Enlightenment. It can be used for silly ends by silly people, evil ends by evil people, etc., but there are “better guides than reason.”

    Our current ruling class set up the Managerial Society supposedly to achieve the “greatest happiness for the greatest number” through impersonal processes of Reason and Light. Somewhere along the way–maybe immediately–they confused plans as being useful because they’re impersonal, like the Constitution, the free market, non-discrimination, and so on. Some of them actually work, and some better than others. But you’re correct, there are no magical shortcuts. No cheat sheets.

    Technocracy really should he about applying human intelligence to hopefully fix a series of discrete problems. But in practice, it means making the Bed of Procrustes the law of the land, and stretching, cramming, and cutting humanity to fit the size planners have in mind. Because dealing with human as-is is too hard.

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  201. thebeat says:
    @Clyde
    Repackaging to sell free stuff he wrote for The Atlantic? Some old Stones and Beatles albums have been resold 10-15 times in different formats. And each time around there is a new crop of suckers to buy them. There are some exotic audio formats out there such as Sacd.

    There are some exotic audio formats out there such as Sacd.

    Sacd is pretty old. Go here to keep up:

    http://www.realhd-audio.com

    I agree the “remastered” Beatles library was a scam. The first album was a shit mess, that I had attributed to a shitteous recording of the tracks. Rereleased “remixes” of them prove they were salvageable after all. Wasn’t that lucky?

    I think the next “remix of the remaster” of the entire series will be what should have been released originally. The re-released “remastered remix” of the “remaster” of Beatles 1 was well done-finally-and gives a hint of what to expect for the “remix of the remaster” series that is sure to come by next year.

    Support for the contention that the remastered release of the Beatles library was a scam can be found via a casual listen to the “Naked” album, which sounded far better than the later “remastered” album with the same tracks.

    Again, the latest re-mixed “Beatles 1″ album will give you a taste of the Beatles remixed and remastered correctly. It’s the best “remixed” album out there, and I’m sure the rest of the library will follow.

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  202. Vinteuil says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Perhaps you were not convinced because you can't lift yourself out of the cynicism that pervades our nation today.

    Because this is so well put and relevant to today's situation I am going to quote directly from The Encyclopedia of Philosophy's section on Hegel.

    "at the periods of their greatness the Greeks and Romans were free peoples each individual of which regarded his own good as inseparable from the good of his community. When they lost their freedom, they lost the motives the bound them to their fellows; government and authority were now imposed from without, weighing down upon isolated individuals who came to regard their lives as individual possessions to be preserved irrespective of the social whole that alone gave them meaning."

    The parallels are startling.

    In America today: (1) authority is now imposed from without by a government made up of a tribe of alien peoples who share no interests with the governed. They have attacked the sacred traditions that bind them to one another. They mock and deride the very notion that a personal good can be identical with the common good.

    (2) As "Coming Apart" has shown we have devolved into a nation of isolated individuals.

    You are incapable of accepting Plato's argument because you are a product of today's intellectual climate in which we worship the rebel. Today it is commonly held that only an iconoclast can have the courage and individuality to push against convention and expand the frontiers of knowledge. Only the defiant genius can explore new forms of self expression in Art.

    It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato's argument.

    3Cranes – don’t get me wrong. I doubt whether it would even be possible for anybody to venerate Socrates & Plato more than I do. I teach the first four books of The Republic every chance I get. It is, in contempt of question, the foundational work of both ethical & political philosophy.

    And yet – Socrates/Plato’s responses to the challenges of, first, Thrasymachus, and second, Glaucon & Adeimantus, are deeply unconvincing.

    I say that, not because I’m a cynic, but because I just don’t find the arguments convincing.

    “It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato’s argument.”

    Sorry, but I think you’ve run right off the rails, here. One of the main points of Socrates’ response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing.

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    "One of the main points of Socrates’ response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing."

    Hah! I like the way you pulled the rug right out from under me. Hmmmm (I want to watch the movie that just came on the tube) so

    I'll have to think about this but I think that my response would take the form of a dialectic.

    The first stage is the naive innocence I described, the unity of civic and personal goals.

    The second stage is that of disbelief, irony, skepticism and finally cynicism.

    And the third would be the Christ-like response of Socrates in which, as you say, reputation counts for nothing. This-worldly goods are insignificant in comparison with the rewards that come from nurturing one's Soul.

    I suspect that the truth of Plato lies in his showing us that the savage skepticism of Glaucon renders social life impossible; that if we all really behaved as Glaucon insisted we did, there wouldn't have been enough trust between us to have cooperated in the first place and so societies could not have arisen. Socrates knows intuitively that Glaucon just cannot be right; or not completely right anyway.

    Today of course, on sites like this we call attention to different outcomes between "high trust societies" and those deficient in that respect.. I believe that Socrates is making the same point, albeit with a different vocabulary.

    , @guest
    Socrates isn't very convincing. Nor is Thrasymachus, for that matter. Best to bear in mind the point isn't to have strictly logical arguments, but to be dramatic and lead as a prelude into the meat of the book. Which you can take or leave, but definitely is compelling.

    It's not strictly drama, and certainly isn't on the level of a Sophocles. But for philosophy, it's plenty dramatic. Much like Ayn Rand's novels have good philosophy for a novel, or her philosophy is novelistic for philosophy . She certainly also puts her thumbs on the scales for her character's arguments.
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  203. Corvinus says:
    @Art Deco
    How do YOU define “anti-white”? What metrics are involved here?

    The corruption of institutional purposes to provide (1) patronage or (2) contrived gestures of deference; the crafting of institutional policies which are puzzling outside the assumption that they're necessary to clear an infestation. If you spend enough time around faculty and administrators (without imbibing their worldview), you notice a couple of things, and one of those things is the ready and oft-expressed contempt for their natural clientele. "Diversity" means fewer of the people they don't like. It also means that the franchise to form incorporated associations is withdrawn in a sectarian manner, because some sorts are regarded as akin to criminal mafias. Fraternities and evangelical associations are common targets of higher ed apparatchiki.

    “The corruption of institutional purposes to provide (1) patronage or (2) contrived gestures of deference;”

    Assuming what you say is true, the Alt Right, if it was in charge of those institutions, would also act in a similar manner. “Their own kind”, however manufactured by the Alt Right, would be given preferences at the expense of groups deemed to be other than conservative or those who defer to patriarchy. Is it not therefore simply a shell game, again assuming that “patronage” and “contrived gestures of deference” are standard operating procedure?

    “the crafting of institutional policies which are puzzling outside the assumption that they’re necessary to clear an infestation.”

    Similar to those on the Alt Right who insist that “converged” churches ought to be ripped by root and branch of those individuals deemed heretics and “cucks”?

    “If you spend enough time around faculty and administrators (without imbibing their worldview), you notice a couple of things, and one of those things is the ready and oft-expressed contempt for their natural clientele.”

    What I notice is that there are loudmouth lefties and righties at today’s universities engaging in racial and gender haggling, with your normies simply moving through the day shaking their head at the madness of it all.

    “Fraternities and evangelical associations are common targets of higher ed apparatchiki.”

    Well, some fraternities engaged in not so brotherly acts on college campuses.

    And as far as evangelical associations, most universities require religious groups to sign nondiscrimination policies. These groups have welcomed anyone to participate in their activities, including homosexuals and atheists, but insist that, in selecting campus leaders, that they must be representative of their particular faith. The consequences of those evangelical associations which refuse to agree with this policy includes losing their official standing. On one hand, the university ought to be more respectful of an internal decision. On the other hand, the university makes certain rules and groups that refuse to abide by those rules, however perceived to be archaic, are subject to “punishment”. The Supreme Court in a controversial ruling sided with universities in one particular case.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/29court.html

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  204. @Charles Pewitt
    Chrisnonymous says:

    “Tennessee Coates” is really annoying and not very funny.

    I say:

    Tennessee Coats is funny as hell. I can remember right off the bat how to spell TENNESSEE, but I still can't remember how the other version is spelled. Mr. Coates has origins in Virginia, according to some person on the internet, many people in Tennessee have ancestors from Virginia.

    Remember folks, the WHITE LIVES MATTER rally will be held this weekend in Tennessee. Tennessee Coates is welcome to stand in opposition. Coates is too rich for actual street level activism, but it would be funny to see him there.

    https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/922559661303324677

    Oh, boy, a minstrel show! Whites imitating blacks!

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  205. MBlanc46 says:
    @Thea
    The only separation they will accept puts us 6 feet under. We've seen black power over whites in Haiti, Detroit and Zimbabwe. We will not be given the option of segregation.

    We outnumber them. We’re smarter than they are. We should be able to negotiate a decent deal. It won’t be free. But it will be worth it.

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    You neglect to mention that we're also better armed, MUCH better armed. We have better organizational skills, better strategic thinking skills; at this point we're just lacking the stimulus to get off our asses and solve this problem, because for the most part it's over there. It's there, in Chicago, in Baltimore, in Detroit, in Cleveland, etc. It's beginning to bleed over into white communities more and more, and as it reaches critical mass. Well, get your popcorn and enjoy the show.
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  206. Vinteuil says:
    @Anon
    With the ebbing of religion, Negro Worship became the new faith in America, esp among White Libs. It's tied to MLK as the new founding father, the new messiah, the new christ, new martyr.

    Blacks are seen as holy because they not only suffered slavery and discrimination but can sing & dance and do sports.

    So, Negroes are supposed to be the Moral Arbiters of America. Whites are supposed to save and protect(instead of exploiting) black bodies so that blacks can save white souls.

    Blacks bodies are supposedly impoverished because whites treated blacks badly. But because whites gained so much by robbing blacks, their souls have become sick and diseased. So, the New Race Deal(maybe should be called New Steal) is about whites healing black bodies and blacks saving white souls.

    And MLK seemed to be that great leader. In a way, his death made the Negro-as-Saint bigger than ever. Turned into martyr, he could be worshiped like a god. If he'd lived on, he'd been just another Jesse Jackson.

    So, there is this constant search for the Great Black Hope. The one who might live up to the white dream of Negro as Moral Redeemer. But too many blacks are into crime, ugly rap, corruption, or dementia. And stuff like BLM turns invariably into Trash Talk and violence.

    Since blacks on their own are incapable of putting forth the Great Black Hope, white Libs must nurture and create them in their own Laboratory. The Lib-Lab. And Obama was a graduate from the Lib-Lab. His formative influences were hardly black. And even though The Nasty Coates grew up among Negroes, he found sanctuary among Nice White Folks who could channel his obligatory rage into pseudo-intellectual & pseudo-inspirational rhetoric. He is to social theory what Neil Degrassie Tyson is to science. A mascot for white Libs to show that they are into Diversity and the Great Black Hope. White Libs(and even White Cons) get high from over-praising blacks. (Thomas Sowell is smart guy but Paul Johnson praising him as the greatest thinker is just goofy.)

    Because of the Negro's role in the American Imagination, every era needs its
    Negro Laureate.

    It's like white feminists were esp taken with Alice Walker's COLOR PURPLE.

    Also, The Nasty Coates looks like a turtle without a shell, a perpetually lost child in need of milk and cookies and kindness of strangers. He is Arnold for the intellectual class.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvvNfnSIqo

    Also, there is something strangely satisfying about watching a Negro succeed in intellectual field. Though whites once resisted the rise of black athletes, it's now long been established that blacks are good at sports and dancing and physical stuff. So, there is hardly any moral excitement in championing the black athlete. Ali was the last one to ride on that wave because it was the Civil Rights Era. So, his victory had racial overtones. There is still some of that when black make inroads into sports that tend not to be very black. Like tennis and golf and gymnastics. And of course swimming and winter sports, those associated with white privilege and culture of exclusion. Even so, it's hardly surprising that blacks, if given the chance, would do well in something like tennis.
    In some ways, there is a kind of subtle 'racism' in praising black success in sports. Some may see it as stereotyping blacks as BODIES who are more adept at brawn than brain. So, even as black success in sports is seen as triumph over 'racism', it is also felt as a kind of 'racism' since it stereotypes blacks as akin to beasts who can run and jump.

    So, it is more surprising and satisfying to see blacks do well in brainy fields in which they've lagged behind other races. This goes against stereotype. It also means that blacks as thinkers are less threatening than blacks as fighters or athletes or thugs. But the problem with praising blacks-as-thinkers is it makes them less authentic. It robs them of their black essence that is closely associated with the thug, street hustler, musician, athlete, or big personality. It could be construed as whites trying to force 'whiteness' on blacks. This is why white Libs feel uncomfortable around black conservatives. Why, they are 'uncle toms', and white Libs don't want that.
    They want the non-threatening Negro but who retains his authenticity and this means Race & Rage. But for this Authentic Rage to be acceptable among white Libs, it must be articulated in less threatening manner. And the 'genius' of The Nasty Coates is he has concocted an intellectual coffee-grinder that turns his blackness into something more Starbucky. He is Starbuckwheat.

    Priss, I’ve got this theory that you are not amused. and that you don’t give a radish what anybody thinks of you.

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    Priss is the bomb. One of the top five Unz contributors. Not that I go along w more than 70% of what he puts out here. But the man has so many good insights.
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  207. Frankie P says:
    @MBlanc46
    We outnumber them. We’re smarter than they are. We should be able to negotiate a decent deal. It won’t be free. But it will be worth it.

    You neglect to mention that we’re also better armed, MUCH better armed. We have better organizational skills, better strategic thinking skills; at this point we’re just lacking the stimulus to get off our asses and solve this problem, because for the most part it’s over there. It’s there, in Chicago, in Baltimore, in Detroit, in Cleveland, etc. It’s beginning to bleed over into white communities more and more, and as it reaches critical mass. Well, get your popcorn and enjoy the show.

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  208. Vinteuil says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    When I studied philosophy at Berkeley in the late '60s such names were never heard. The people talked about were mostly still teaching at Berkeley itself, men like Feyerabend and Tarski, while names as diverse as Polanyi and Gilson appeared as guest lecturers for a semester or two. The general trend was very positivist, with Quine I seem to remember being everybody's current lodestar.

    Just another example of the precipitate decline of every institution in the West.

    Who do they celebrate nowadays I wonder?

    Wow – you were there with Tarski?

    Feyerabend was always a flake.

    Who do they celebrate nowadays? Heck if I know. They’ve erased my name from their departmental citation list – so…whatever.

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  209. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy

    He can't even get the title right. It sounds like the tragedy was their being in power.

    I’ll be damned …you’re right!! Hate to admit it but I hadn’t even noticed. Ahh, I can hear the fallback response i.e. “He was being ironic”, blah, blah.

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  210. Vinteuil says:
    @guest
    Sorry, marame = macrame.

    I feel compelled to admit that one of the main points of cultural Marxism was that high culture ought to be "with it," that philosophers should be "engaged," and so on. Leave aside for the moment whether that stance was merely tactical. Did it apply to individual Frankfurt School and allied figures, or was that only for some professor at Bumwad, U.?

    If Marcuse connected and "rapped" with kids, did they all have to? Or was it enough that, in the grand manner of Western high culture, they trained/infected the minds of those who'd be in power after them.

    They could very easily be culturally influential without getting down in the muck with us. Even if their teachings promoted muckiness.

    With Adorno, the message about high culture being dead was loud and clear, even if he scorned pop music and preferred commerce-proof music like serial composition. In his case, you got the same message, which was that there's no difference between High and low culture--at least after Auschwitz--while appealing to the type of people who pretend to enjoy Schoenberg. Which unfortunately is a lot of the type of people who run the intellectual world.

    “…the type of people who pretend to enjoy Schoenberg…”

    Damn them. Damn them all to Hell. They destroyed the single greatest achievement of Western civilization: the musical tradition that began with plainchant and ended with Britten & Shostakovich.

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  211. AM says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    He’s attached to his model, not the facts or rationality.
     
    Optimist. I go with the much more depressing view. He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.

    This should be obvious unless you are an idiot or autistic (or both). People still go for rationality for status signaling reasons- it is the mark of clever sillies which a way of showing you are smarter then everyone else.

    The big error behind rationality is that while intelligence is generalizable (high IQ people pick up new skills faster then low IQ people, all else being equal), knowledge is not. Being rational will not allow you to understand the world more effectively then people who put in the effort and focus on empirical work. This is hard and means that you cannot learn everything but there is no magic shortcuts.

    He is attached to rationality, but rationality is useless. Rationality is about noticing and correcting for biases in the human reasoning process; the reason those biases exist is because human thinking is optimized for an environment filled with lies, deceit and half truths.

    And yet you’ve come up with an extremely rational post. ;)

    I agree that attempts at rationality without knowledge is useless, but a rational person seeks out knowledge,so the point is moot.

    It’s not that I’m an optimist on the point of human nature. One cannot be that and be a faithful Catholic. (I’m far more grim on human nature than any liberal and the vast majority of atheists. I think people start out rotters and rot by default, as a function of time only.)

    Rather, I understand reason to a best odds tool (as another poster put well) by which people may understand the world. Not perfect, but it will work better than the alternative, which is to not try at all.

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  212. Bugg says:
    @Mr. Anon

    In his new $28 book, Coates reprints his old magazine articles that The Atlantic had given away for free, sandwiched between what he enticingly labels “extended blog posts” about what kind of mood he was in when he wrote each article.
     
    I suppose his next book will be an annotated collection of his internal bowel movement soliloquies. We Were Eight Years on the Can.

    A couple years ago, my wife bought me the (then) latest Neil DeGrasse Tyson book, operating under the assumption that I would give a damn. It appeared to consist of a collection of Tyson's tweets. I didn't finish reading it, as it didn't seem to consist of anything novel or interesting. And anyway, if I wanted to read all that I could just check out his twitter feed for free.

    Public intellectuals aren't what they used to be.

    To his credit, at least Tyson has a sense of humor and in engaging. Coates is a drip.

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    To his credit, at least Tyson has a sense of humor and in engaging. Coates is a drip.
     
    Yeah Tyson used to be okay. More recently he seems to have become more full of himself though.
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  213. @Vinteuil
    3Cranes - don't get me wrong. I doubt whether it would even be possible for anybody to venerate Socrates & Plato more than I do. I teach the first four books of The Republic every chance I get. It is, in contempt of question, the foundational work of both ethical & political philosophy.

    And yet - Socrates/Plato's responses to the challenges of, first, Thrasymachus, and second, Glaucon & Adeimantus, are deeply unconvincing.

    I say that, not because I'm a cynic, but because I just don't find the arguments convincing.

    "It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato’s argument."

    Sorry, but I think you've run right off the rails, here. One of the main points of Socrates' response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing.

    “One of the main points of Socrates’ response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing.”

    Hah! I like the way you pulled the rug right out from under me. Hmmmm (I want to watch the movie that just came on the tube) so

    I’ll have to think about this but I think that my response would take the form of a dialectic.

    The first stage is the naive innocence I described, the unity of civic and personal goals.

    The second stage is that of disbelief, irony, skepticism and finally cynicism.

    And the third would be the Christ-like response of Socrates in which, as you say, reputation counts for nothing. This-worldly goods are insignificant in comparison with the rewards that come from nurturing one’s Soul.

    I suspect that the truth of Plato lies in his showing us that the savage skepticism of Glaucon renders social life impossible; that if we all really behaved as Glaucon insisted we did, there wouldn’t have been enough trust between us to have cooperated in the first place and so societies could not have arisen. Socrates knows intuitively that Glaucon just cannot be right; or not completely right anyway.

    Today of course, on sites like this we call attention to different outcomes between “high trust societies” and those deficient in that respect.. I believe that Socrates is making the same point, albeit with a different vocabulary.

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    My mind is slipping. I don't mean Glaucon, I meant Thrasymachus (sp? I didn't bother to look it up).
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  214. @ThreeCranes
    "One of the main points of Socrates’ response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing."

    Hah! I like the way you pulled the rug right out from under me. Hmmmm (I want to watch the movie that just came on the tube) so

    I'll have to think about this but I think that my response would take the form of a dialectic.

    The first stage is the naive innocence I described, the unity of civic and personal goals.

    The second stage is that of disbelief, irony, skepticism and finally cynicism.

    And the third would be the Christ-like response of Socrates in which, as you say, reputation counts for nothing. This-worldly goods are insignificant in comparison with the rewards that come from nurturing one's Soul.

    I suspect that the truth of Plato lies in his showing us that the savage skepticism of Glaucon renders social life impossible; that if we all really behaved as Glaucon insisted we did, there wouldn't have been enough trust between us to have cooperated in the first place and so societies could not have arisen. Socrates knows intuitively that Glaucon just cannot be right; or not completely right anyway.

    Today of course, on sites like this we call attention to different outcomes between "high trust societies" and those deficient in that respect.. I believe that Socrates is making the same point, albeit with a different vocabulary.

    My mind is slipping. I don’t mean Glaucon, I meant Thrasymachus (sp? I didn’t bother to look it up).

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  215. @22pp22
    I normally look forward to your articles in Takimag, but I didn't like this one. I know it must be frustrating being paid a tiny fraction of this guy's wage, but when you are both dead and gone, there is a very real chance that you will be remembered as a thinker of note. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be. You suffer the misfortune of being ignored in you own country and your own lifetime, but this article felt like a grown man kicking around a toddler.

    Actually, Steve Sailor’s activities have actually made it to the Presidential elections on national television. I refer you to Steve’s Vdare article on ‘Bush is smarter than Kerry’ when W. was running in 2000. I saw the NBC reporter Tom Brokaw ask Kerry about the Vdare article on the Sunday NBC news.

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  216. guest says:
    @Vinteuil
    3Cranes - don't get me wrong. I doubt whether it would even be possible for anybody to venerate Socrates & Plato more than I do. I teach the first four books of The Republic every chance I get. It is, in contempt of question, the foundational work of both ethical & political philosophy.

    And yet - Socrates/Plato's responses to the challenges of, first, Thrasymachus, and second, Glaucon & Adeimantus, are deeply unconvincing.

    I say that, not because I'm a cynic, but because I just don't find the arguments convincing.

    "It is impossible for you to imagine a nobler time when an individual held honor and trust to be the highest goods, a society in which an individual valued his reputation as it was perceived by his community as his most valued possession, a society in which an individual would not feel as though he were sacrificing his self interest in giving his own life for the community. If you could think in these terms, you would see the wisdom, the inevitability, of Plato’s argument."

    Sorry, but I think you've run right off the rails, here. One of the main points of Socrates' response to Glaucon & Adeimantus is that reputation counts for nothing.

    Socrates isn’t very convincing. Nor is Thrasymachus, for that matter. Best to bear in mind the point isn’t to have strictly logical arguments, but to be dramatic and lead as a prelude into the meat of the book. Which you can take or leave, but definitely is compelling.

    It’s not strictly drama, and certainly isn’t on the level of a Sophocles. But for philosophy, it’s plenty dramatic. Much like Ayn Rand’s novels have good philosophy for a novel, or her philosophy is novelistic for philosophy . She certainly also puts her thumbs on the scales for her character’s arguments.

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    I'm not sure why more highbrow stuff isn't written as dramatic dialogues. Plato is widely read 2400 years later. That would seem to stand the test of time pretty well.
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  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bugg
    To his credit, at least Tyson has a sense of humor and in engaging. Coates is a drip.

    To his credit, at least Tyson has a sense of humor and in engaging. Coates is a drip.

    Yeah Tyson used to be okay. More recently he seems to have become more full of himself though.

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  218. @guest
    Socrates isn't very convincing. Nor is Thrasymachus, for that matter. Best to bear in mind the point isn't to have strictly logical arguments, but to be dramatic and lead as a prelude into the meat of the book. Which you can take or leave, but definitely is compelling.

    It's not strictly drama, and certainly isn't on the level of a Sophocles. But for philosophy, it's plenty dramatic. Much like Ayn Rand's novels have good philosophy for a novel, or her philosophy is novelistic for philosophy . She certainly also puts her thumbs on the scales for her character's arguments.

    I’m not sure why more highbrow stuff isn’t written as dramatic dialogues. Plato is widely read 2400 years later. That would seem to stand the test of time pretty well.

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    The philosophical dialogue is indeed an underexploited subgenre.

    Galileo wrote one pitting the Ptolemaic system versus the Copernican system.

    There is of course Hume's famous Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion.

    Santayana had one I liked titled Dialogues in Limbo.
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  219. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'm not sure why more highbrow stuff isn't written as dramatic dialogues. Plato is widely read 2400 years later. That would seem to stand the test of time pretty well.

    The philosophical dialogue is indeed an underexploited subgenre.

    Galileo wrote one pitting the Ptolemaic system versus the Copernican system.

    There is of course Hume’s famous Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion.

    Santayana had one I liked titled Dialogues in Limbo.

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    25 years ago, the Frequently Asked Questions list was popular, but then it pretty much died out.
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  220. @guest
    The philosophical dialogue is indeed an underexploited subgenre.

    Galileo wrote one pitting the Ptolemaic system versus the Copernican system.

    There is of course Hume's famous Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion.

    Santayana had one I liked titled Dialogues in Limbo.

    25 years ago, the Frequently Asked Questions list was popular, but then it pretty much died out.

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  221. Clyde says:
    @Vinteuil
    Priss, I've got this theory that you are not amused. and that you don't give a radish what anybody thinks of you.

    Priss is the bomb. One of the top five Unz contributors. Not that I go along w more than 70% of what he puts out here. But the man has so many good insights.

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