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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Bernie vs. Ta-Nehisi
by Steve Sailer

March 20, 2019

The Democratic 2020 race is shaping up into a battle between Bernie Sanders’ new Old Left and those candidates, such as Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Julian Castro, who pay respectful lip service to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ new Woke Left and his signature issue of black reparations.

Senator Warren, with her usual sound judgment, tweeted on Tuesday that it’s “time to start a national, full-blown conversation about reparations,” an old question made fashionable once again by Coates with his 2014 Atlantic article just before the Ferguson debacle.

Coates, a college dropout and semi-employed journalist, improbably rose to being the decade’s most celebrated left-wing intellectual by embodying the comic-bookish spirit of the age. As progressives become more demographically diverse, the ideas that appeal to them become more regressive.

Coates, who went from receiving the MacArthur genius grant for his denunciations of escalator racism to writing the Black Panther comic book for Marvel, epitomizes the essential childishness of the woke.

In contrast, Bernie, the 77-year-old socialist, wishes everybody would just shut up about Coates’ divisive issue of reparations and get back to talking about nonracial kitchen-table issues such as Bernie’s Medicare for All.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Just Bernie channeling his roots, and fortunately they trump Coate’s roots. If Lizzie Fauxcahontas is leading the discussion, do we only have to pay attention to 1/1,024th of it?

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  2. Olorin says:

    the essential childishness of the woke

    Come now. Surely you don’t think the elevation of youth worship and culture as the national religion in the 1960s was intended to point the way to being hip through eventually growing up?

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    , @Feryl
  3. Lot says:

    Ta’s attacks on banking practices that ended when boomers were in high school and effected people of all races is awfully convenient for banks now, which are easily the most evil industry in America.

    Usury is indeed a sin, and nearly every state still has strong usury laws. California’s limits consumer loans to 10% interest and is still on the books. But with the help of Republican judges and regulators, those laws are “preempted” by the national banking act, which lets banks that do 99% of their business in states with usury laws evade them by pretending they are run out of Delaware, South Dakota, or Nevada.

    Ta got himself rich attacking Roosevelt, who “welcomed the hate” of the financial elites. He shows no sign of giving a crap about the American of all races who get screwed in the present day by banks and payday lenders and rent-a-centers.

    He also has no qualms about accepting $50,000 speaking fees from colleges that destroy young people’s lives with student loans.

  4. Ta-Nehisi Coates’ new Woke Left…

    In contrast, Bernie, the 77-year-old socialist, wishes everybody would just shut up about Coates’ divisive issue of reparations and get back to talking about nonracial kitchen-table issues such as Bernie’s Medicare for All.

    We may be at Peak Woke:

    ‘Daily Show’s’ Trevor Noah Goes Off on Beto O’Rourke’s ‘Woke’ Critics: ‘This Is Insanity!’

    Noah seems to agree with Bernie.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anonymous
    , @Abe
  5. @Lot

    Ta’s attacks on banking practices that ended when boomers were in high school…

    A lot of our present problems were seeded, or were even in progress, “when boomers were in high school”. Try and get that across to those born afterwards.

    But they have issues with their parents, not their indulgent grandparents, who receive none of the blame they deserve. Fuzzy math works for them.

    Your average college “student” probably believes six-year-old “boomers” were the cause of McCarthyism.

  6. Great analysis, Steve. I especially appreciated this:

    A better claim is that even as IQ influences income, it shouldn’t determine moral worth.

    This is a starting point for beginning to drain some of the poison out of the body politic. I would just add that this is essentially a spiritual project; any solution will have to go beyond economics and policy and spring from the cultus itself.

    A couple of other observations.

    You’ve drawn a clear distinction between Bernie’s old-school materialist/economic revolution and TNC’s renascent tribalism. How much longer can these two blueprints for reaction against the traditional American vision hold together?

    There’s something that rings deeply true when TNC says:

    If I don’t believe that black people are human, it really doesn’t matter what you say to me about policy.

    If I can reassign the likely antecedents for TNC’s scattershot pronouns here, what he’s trying to say is that he, as a black American, is sick of being treated as the faceless object of liberal white America’s salvation narrative. For white SJWs and their various liberal/leftist forbears, black Americans have always been the ultimate salvation challenge: if we educated, virtuous, frankly superior beings can ‘save’ these former slaves and transform them into enlightened liberals just like us, then we will have atoned for America’s great original sin, and we’ll have proven that we are indeed the pinnacle of human moral and spiritual development. We will be as gods . . . .

    Wouldn’t you resent being on the receiving end of that kind of condescension? Wouldn’t you dream some dreams shot through with blood and vengeance?

    Finally, although the article was about TNC and Bernie, your quotation from AOC is also revealing. There’s something in the rhythm of her words that is weirdly mesmerizing; e.g.:

    We said white communities will get home loans and they will get access to the basic bedrock of wealth in America and this will be your heirloom and we gave white America the heirloom that appreciated over time . . .

    It sounds like Smeagol riffing on the Precious, doesn’t it?

    As the Coalition of the Fringes regresses into its constituent tribes, they will discover and clutch their talismans ever more tightly.

  7. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This is going to get Woker before it gets better.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  8. Anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    The black left keeps escalating their demands for one simple reason. They keep finding out that when they get what they want, it doesn’t change anything.

    Getting full voting rights, going to school with whites, getting welfare, getting free school lunches, getting scholarships handed to them to go to college, whatever, none of it works. Nothing makes them equal to whites. They’re still a very defective people en masse.

    This has the effect of making blacks frantic to avoid facing the ugly truth. They keep repeating to themselves, it must be something else, it must be something else, it must be something else.

  9. We will be as gods . . .

    Or the elect.

    (Sorry, I couldn’t resist that.)

  10. @El Dato

    This is going to get Woker before it gets better.

    You don’t need a Weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

    You need Al Woker.

    • LOL: Abe
  11. But, TNC admits, the checks aren’t really the point. As Dave Chappelle memorably noted, many blacks would immediately waste their reparations.

    So reparations would effectively be a state-subsidy for Nike. Great …

    Our mass entertainment culture has, over the course of a century, spent most of its time reinforcing the idea of black people as undeserving, as lazy, as any number of stereotypes…. Willie Horton, the welfare queen …

    Entertainment culture? But Willie Horton and the Welfare Queen were real! How about news culture instead?

    The original “Welfare Queen”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Taylor

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Currahee
    , @Alfa158
    , @peterike
  12. @Reg Cæsar

    Or the elect.

    I feel that I’ve been predestined since before the creation of time itself not to blame you for that.

    The Al Woker quip is another story, however.

  13. Bernie’s FDR-on-steroids act is grating on the woke…

    If they want to remove the bastard from the dime, I’ll be more than glad to help them.

    Put Liberty back. Or the Charles Lindberghs.

    “…and we did not give to African-American and Mexican communities, Puerto Rican communities.”

    Puerto Rican communities got more than a red line– they got a blue sea.

    Gentrifiers love to advocate the idea that the reason blacks still must live in convenient locations near the Chicago Loop is because FDR redlined them out of Dubuque.

    Which is why Donald Trump is the first Republican to carry Dubuque since Eisenhower. Maybe longer– that’s the county. Which Republicans have carried the city? Lincoln?

    (while others argue that Smith, unlike Elba, deserves the role because he is an ADOS: American Descendant of Slaves).

    As opposed to Coates, the American Negro Under Stress.

  14. @Reg Cæsar

    But the Boomers maintained and increased the stupidity of the 2ers, and silents. Also, a lot of millennials’ and Zers parents are boomers.
    Insert your favorite DIE BOOMER! meme here.

  15. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    I was going to chide you for your coinage of the new adjective “kitchen-table” as in “kitchen-table issues,” but I see in the Oxford English Dictionary that Shakespeare used it in Cymbeline.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @David
  16. Also, TNC inadvertently explains the failures in post-colonial Africa, everyone seeking revenge for what happened to their tribe during colonialism and even before.

  17. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Coates’s interviewer here, by the way, Eric Levitz, may be an iSteve lurker. Not a fan, but someone who seems weirdly knowledgable about the HBD catechism, and with the brains to know that it cannot be disposed of that easily. Here he differs from Any Harmon (who is simply dumb).

    My evidence? A weird August 2018 profile of Jordon Peterson that morphs into a black-white IQ gap essay.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/the-lefts-hatred-of-jordan-peterson-is-perfectly-rational.html

    For most of the 20th century, de jure segregation was a reality in both the North and South. Through the Federal Housing Administration, the U.S. government promoted homeownership by providing Americans with low-cost mortgage insurance — unless they lived in a neighborhood with a significant population of dark-skinned people.

    Meanwhile, federal authorities built officially segregated public housing complexes, and rendered many African-American neighborhoods objectively undesirable by concentrating toxic waste sites in their boundaries.

    Peterson insists that Western societies have largely achieved such equality because the personality traits of “intelligence” and “conscientiousness” heavily correlate with success in the United States and Canada.

    In his ideological blindness, the Canadian contrarian fails to consider the possibility that the socioeconomic conditions a person is born into might limit her opportunity to develop such traits.

    Thanks to the legacy of de jure segregation (and Jim Crow, and slavery), black children in the U.S. are several times more likely than white ones to grow up in neighborhoods and buildings that expose them to hazardous concentrations of lead. Such exposure can do durable damage to a child’s cognitive faculties, including her memory, attention, reasoning, and motor skills. Which is to say: By the time they arrive at kindergarten, many black children will already find themselves at a (potentially permanent) cognitive disadvantage, as a consequence of the inequitable housing conditions that they were born into.

    So unlike Harmon, Levitz believes blacks have lower IQs (if for no other reason, because he’s had the opportunity to speak directly with Coates and witness his glazy eyes), but it’s YT’s fault, because of redlining, which exposed blacks to lead pollution, making black baby bodies permanent dummies. Move blacks into white neighborhoods and watch the vibrant Nobel laureates blossom in the next generation.

  18. @Reg Cæsar

    Uhm,wait…McCarthy was bad?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Reg Cæsar
  19. Rocks Off says:

    The woke take of reparations is not to fight them but to instead direct the duty to pay them towards our enemies. So I strongly support reparations for blacks and anyone else if we pay for them by nationalizing Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street giants and giving the resulting proceeds and profits to blacks. And the tech giants, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, etc. must pay an annual reparations solidarity contribution of say 10 percent of the sales. Also the foreign aid budget, particularly the Israeli portion, should be going straight to black people. Ten percent of all Hollywood movie grosses should go to blacks as well. Last but not least, ALL political contributions must be matched, dollar for dollar, with a reparations contribution.

    • Agree: sayless
  20. Mention of identity casting concerns and Mandy Patinkin brought to mind the recent (poorly reviewed) movie Life Itself in which Patinkin and Oscar Isaac are cast as father and son Irwin Dempsey and Will Dempsey. Presumably what they and their characters have in common is a generic swarthiness.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  21. Con Moto says:

    Has any writer taken such a step down from driving the “National Conversation” to mere pop culture as has Mr. Coates? I have to wonder what op-ed writers (maybe after a few drinks or some sodium pentothal) who weren’t plucked from obscurity and given a national platform think about the situation. Also, has anyone who isn’t 1) black or 2) Steve Sailer written even mild criticism of The Genius?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  22. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anon

    Eric Levitz could have picked that up from Kevin Drum at Mother Jones without being an iSteve lurker.

    https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/

  23. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Usury is indeed a sin

    Why?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  24. MEH 0910 says:

    Melissa Murray and Ta-Nehisi Coates discuss the law, race, journalism, and Black Panther

    ******
    Other forms of culture also play a critical role in expanding people’s view of the humanity of others, he suggested. In response to a question from the audience about why he decided to write the Black Panther comic book series—the basis for a 2018 movie—Coates said: “Those Marvel movies are defining for people who is going to be human, and who is not. So if you give me the opportunity to author some of the source material for that, as somebody who is concerned about the humanity of black people, about the humanity of all people, about the policy that comes out of it, why would I not take that?”

    And ultimately, the question of “who is human and who is not” has a critical effect on law and policy, Coates said: “Those of us who are in the world of policy deeply often underestimate the power of myth… Symbols define what your imagination is, and your imagination therefore bounds what possible policy you can have.”

    Posted February 20, 2019

  25. ChrisZ says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is a very strong comment, Calvinist. The observation about one population cohort wishing to be viewed as both the culmination of prior history, and also the peak in whose shadow all subsequent generations labor, reminds me of Lewis’ Abolition of Man.

    It’s a deep insight. Perhaps it’s this desire above all that makes the SJW crowd—or the Left or Moderns more generally—so destructive. Because the desire is fundamentally unsatisfiable, there’s no end point to it, only the continuing corrosion of what *is* in the name of what “ought” to be.

  26. I’m a bit confused. Maybe it’s because I’m not from the USA. But here’s my question:

    What’s the difference between a woker and a wanker?

  27. OT, but we remember how after Muslim/Islamist terror attacks we’re told not to demonise all Muslims … here’s Rachel Withers in Slate.

    The Christchurch Shootings Should Implicate All White Australians

  28. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    I am deeply scared of any attempt to close the wealth gap, to ameliorate the broad socioeconomic disparity in almost every field between blacks and whites in this country, that avoids talking about why those disparities are there to begin with.

    Pet peeve, but this is a variation of “We must have a national conversation.”

    Concretely, what does this mean? Is he saying that there needs to be a preamble to any law that mentions the “brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow”? Is he saying that there should be a network television national town hall with newscaster moderators and invited guests who do a sort of “brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow” talk show? Does he mean that whites must go down to their local courthouse and recite a sort of “brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow” pledge of allegiance?

    Five minutes and Google gives you any opinion you could want about these topics. The idea of, No, wait, we cannot attempt to close the wealth gap yet because we haven’t talked about “brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow” — Idiotic. What is the specific proposal?

    I think what is implicitly meant is “Everyone, including you, whitey, must agree with me, and until you do so, we haven’t completed our “talk” and “national conversation.”

  29. We’ve not been in dire economic straits since we started rearming in 1938. No one today has known the hardships their Grandparents knew in the Depression and when true hardship comes again the collapse will be greater because no one today knows how to take care of themselves.

    • Agree: captflee
    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  30. nglaer says:

    I read that Shaun King, who is worse than Coates, is on Bernie’s team.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  31. Arclight says:

    TNC has found himself in an intellectual cul-de-sac. His simplistic reasoning and belief that really nothing society can do will ever make blacks truly equal means he’s at a complete dead end in terms of where he can go with his ideas, but that doesn’t matter because blame and grievance sell quite well, particularly to the white progressive cucks that carry the left’s banner in academia, the media, and politics.

    Contrast that with people like John McWhorter, Glenn Loury, Thomas Chatterton Williams, and Coleman Hughes, who are also black but significantly more intelligent and interesting writers, but because they actually assign blacks agency and all have contempt for TNC are kept off the prime stage lest their ideas gain a wider audience.

    Here is Coleman Hughes on the racial wealth gap: https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/. He is still an undergrad I believe, but shows in just this one piece how one-dimensional TNC is when he approaches a socio-economic problem.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anonymous
    , @CCZ
    , @MEH 0910
  32. anon[562] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “There’s something in the rhythm of her words that is weirdly mesmerizing; e.g.:

    We said white communities will get home loans and they will get access to the basic bedrock of wealth in America and this will be your heirloom and we gave white America the heirloom that appreciated over time . . .

    It sounds like Smeagol riffing on the Precious, doesn’t it?”

    Not really. To my ear, it has the cadence of the King James bible, which in its quest for fidelity reproduced the Hebrew vav consecutive and thereby created “Biblical English.” For obvious reasons it’s the most powerful rhetorical device in American politics, and you mock it at your peril..

  33. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    And yet none of the for black conservative commentators you mentioned (although I’m not as familiar with TCW) acknowledges an IQ gap.

    Lowry and McWhorter have discussed it, but then they’re right back blaming black woes on absent dads, and IQ is memory holed. McWhorter actually wrote a piece advocating for ignoring the topic of IQ even if it might be true, on the theory that it can do no good to discuss it.

    Here’s the good it could do for white people: No more implicit bias training and diversity seminars; no more violent black kids disrupting classes since they cannot be disciplined; no more Whoops!, my health plan neurosurgeon is black!

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @EliteCommInc.
  34. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    ……. ‘there’s nothing wrong with writing people checks…..’.

    Elementary economics. Firstly if the check-writer, presumably the US Government doesn’t fund the check through redistributing tax revenues, then the check is in essence ‘inflationary’ and will eventually be reduced to its true value, that is zero.

    If the check is funded by tax revenue, likewise producers will raise their prices accordingly, thus eating away at a large chunk of the check value. If the check is funded by government borrowing, here again prices will rise due to interest rate hikes.

  35. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget the Boomers weren’t responsible for the 1965 Immigration Act.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @tyrone
  36. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    Coleman Hughes has a new article on Quillette regarding reparations.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/17/reparations-and-ta-nehisi-coatess-pyrrhic-victory/

    It’s a pity that black conservatives/free thinkers aren’t given more exposure.

    • Replies: @res
  37. Trevor H. says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m technically a boomer, or so I’m told, and get blamed for everything that happened in the 60s and 70s. In 1970 I was six years old.

    The obvious explanation, I tell myself, is that I was an enormously influential six-year-old.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @MBlanc46
    , @Eric Novak
  38. Trevor H. says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The AOC quote seems to imply that those of us who came along a bit too late to take advantage of home appreciation can file for reparations even if we’re white. Is that true? I’d like to ask her.

    Can’t remember where, but I saw someone claim that it wasn’t really houses appreciating anyway, it was just the dollar losing value.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Flip
  39. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    They are using the term “reparations” because “redistribution of wealth” wasn’t gaining traction.

  40. Trevor H. says:
    @Anon

    Move blacks into white neighborhoods and watch the vibrant Nobel laureates blossom in the next generation.

    You laugh–heck, we all laugh–but all it’ll take is one black laureate to endow the entire edifice with the color of Scientific Law.

    Yes, iSteve Spergs, I know there have been black laureates. But we need one from the Ghetto who blossomed in Whitopia suburbs.

  41. And then there’s Yang, the first competent D candidate since Slick Willie.

    UBI is in effect reverse reparations.

  42. @nglaer

    Well yeah, he’s white.

  43. @Father O'Hara

    He was the Trump of anti-Communism.

  44. peterike says:

    From the essential Those Who Can See blog, everything you need to know about redlining.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2019/02/reparations-for-redlining.html

    • Replies: @res
  45. Tribalism (Coates & AOC) vs. Civic Nationalism (Sanders & Sailer)

    Sorry, Steve, but tribalism may be low brow and feel a bit icky to some, but it will always win over CivNat, which, of course, is just another version of your Citizenism. As you have taught, tribe is an extended family, and people naturally – correctly – choose family over non-family, even if it means harming themselves financially.

    Citizenism may have had a shot at working 25 or 30 years ago when whites were the dominant majority, but its day has passed. (Btw, let’s be honest here. Citizenism, despite its colorblind rhetoric, was ultimately a way for whites to stay the majority and in power, something other groups I’m sure were aware of.) Those Asian kids you mention at the end actually probably are citizens or certainly will be. They are quite aware that they aren’t white and that more Asians in the country means more power for them.

    That’s where Citizenism fails. It assumes that anyone who becomes a Citizen immediately gives up their old tribe and gives loyalty to their new country because they are now a Citizen. That may have been the case with most Europeans who emigrated to the U.S., Canada and Australia, but it’s never been the case with more tribal groups. NW Europeans are exception, not the rule. Like the silliest suburban liberal, you’re assuming that what you believe (your biology, really) applies to other groups. It’s a form of blank state and just as wrong.

    Jewish, black, Asian, Hispanic “Citizens” will never adopt your idea of looking at immigration (and all policy, really) through the lens of a colorblind, thoughtful Citizen, weighing the pros and cons for all the Citizens of the country. Never. They will not betray their tribe for the sake of members of another tribe because of some piece of paper.

    The world is tribal because it should be tribal. Any country that bases its citizenship on anything but tribe will eventually fail because more tribal groups will take advantage of the system, just as we’re seeing in the United States. The U.S. understood this in 1924 and thus gave itself a chance, but blew it in 1965, and we’re now witnessing the result.

    There is no long-term contest between tribalism and CivNat. Tribalism will triumph.

    Btw, here’s a quite pretty young lady who does a very nice job explaining why she no longer believes in Civic Nationalism.

  46. Abe says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Noah seems to agree with Bernie.

    Noah’s dad is white (a Swiss national). Race is everything.

  47. moshe says:
    @Desiderius

    Too funny to analyse 🙂

  48. Mr. Anon says:

    A better claim is that even as IQ influences income, it shouldn’t determine moral worth. And a superior history-based argument is that whites, blacks, and American Indians are the three historic races of the United States, and we ought to favor one another over the rest of the world.

    That’s a nice summation of citizenism, a creed which you have valiantly championed for many years now. It was a good idea, and worth a shot.

    But if any politician was going to promote citizenism, it was Trump, and he has failed (or never really even tried). Trump is just another GOP Con Inc. President now – Jeb Bush with a foul mouth.

    The Democrats are already plotting an end-run around the Electoral College, so as to hasten the day when their urban/minority/fringe coalition can establish a one-party state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

    Anything like the America we grew up in is dead.

  49. donut says:

    OT : 18 consecutive weeks of yellow vests protests in France and nothing in the US media . You can bet if this was Venezuela , Russia or Iran it would be nonstop with calls for “humanitarian” intervention . The same with the farce of Brexit . Instead we get nonstop lachrymose coverage of NZ and all that follows from that : calls for censorship and more gun control .

  50. @Anon

    If you love the Bard why would coinage prompt chiding at all?

    His only rival on that front was Newton.

  51. TheBoom says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of our present problems were seeded, or were even in progress, “when boomers were in high school”. Try and get that across to those born afterwards.

    The right’s belief that America was a White paradise ruined by boomers shows that they are historically illiterate. Almost everything we are hated for, we inherited. Things got worse under our watch just like they did under our parents and continue to do so under Gen X, etc.

  52. Powerful wrap up in the article.

    Regarding AOCs “redlining” argument, I see this as an attempt by Cortez to include Hispanics in the grievance coalition on equal footing with blacks. If slavery is the original sin which white Americans have an indelible blood guilt over, that leaves out most hispanics who are relatively recent arrivals and may actually be complicit in slavery which also existed in their countries of origin. The redlining business puts Hispanics on the right(or uh, left) side of the divide as equal victims with blacks. AOC seems a clever politician despite the memes.

  53. The war between Bernie and TNC pits the old Marx-influenced left, with its hardheaded obsession with class, power, and money, against the new Coatesian left, which cares more about whether Marvel’s next movie features a black, female, or nonbinary superhero.

    Steve–good essay. Bernie and Coates make good props for this.

    But the 2nd–TNC–part of the above sentence seems off to me, if we’re actually interested in what’s happened.

    This isn’t “the new Coatesian left”. Coates certainly, but even blacks in general, didn’t invent this. The super-prissy, whiny identity politics is undeniably the creation of Jews.

    Blacks would have their attitudes about the past regardless. But that this “look what you did to me”, “he’s oppressing me!” stuff has been a growing cultural force and is now thoroughly dominant in our culture and politics because of Jews–academia, news media, Hollyweird, government–promoting it. Coates himself wouldn’t even exist, but that he’s constantly praised and promoted by Jewish writers and editors. (I don’t think he’s naturally–uh, let’s say–“male enough” in both his persona and sensibility to be the kind of guy middle class black men, who do read, would have chosen to read and make a best selling author on their own.)

    While blacks have been critically important to justifying, packaging and selling it, minoritarianism–minorities good, majorities bad–is a thoroughly Jewish product. And they are able to carry a chip on the should and whine about such picayune stuff–Harvard quotas, the Golfocaust–that make Coates’s whining about New Deal era red-lining seem like the height of sensible analysis. But bottom line: Coates is just a pathetic pawn.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Redman
  54. Currahee says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “So reparations would effectively be a state-subsidy for Nike. Great …”

    Now in stock: the Nike Jubilation Commemorative $2499.99

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  55. Barnard says:

    But it’s possible that the black church-lady bloc that turned out in such massive numbers to reelect Obama in 2012 will warm to Sanders this time around.

    With black candidates in like Corey Booker and Kamala Harris in the field, I don’t see how this is possible. The black church lady block doesn’t cast ballots based off a careful study of the issues. Even if they did, Medicare for all is a meaningless pitch to them, they are already on Medicare. All this would do is make medical care worse for everyone, including them.

  56. The scheme to double the number of blacks at Stuyvesant will, of course, devalue a Stuyvesant diploma for blacks white increasing its value for whites.

    The natural question will be “Did you get there on test scores or on reserved slots?” Right up to the point when di Blasio makes it illegal to ask.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/nyregion/black-students-nyc-high-schools.html#commentsContainer

  57. MEH 0910 says:
    @Arclight

    Ta-Nehisi Coates deleted his Twitter account after Cornel West criticized him.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  58. Alfa158 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Wasting their reparations check as described by Chappelle, is no longer an issue.
    The discussions about reparations have moved beyond a single check and then we’re even, because everyone realizes it won’t change the fundamentals. Reparations are now being envisioned as permanent supplemental income for life for all Blacks, permanent quotas on school admissions and jobs, and forced residential desegregation.

  59. Walsh2 says:

    I enjoy seeing articles about Coates because he reminds me of Oswald Bates. I read the article, go watch a couple of Oswald Bates videos on YouTube, then smile the rest of the day.

  60. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    While blacks have been critically important to justifying, packaging and selling it, minoritarianism–minorities good, majorities bad–is a thoroughly Jewish product.

    Why are Whites so inept at justifying, packaging, and selling a “majorities good” product? Can no one among them come up with words?

  61. dearieme says:

    Two facts stick out about reparations.

    (i) The black US population is a considerable burden on the white, yellow, and brown population.

    (ii) The black US population is infinitely richer than its distant cousins, the black population of sub-Saharan Africa.

    Put together, these facts imply that the black US population should pay reparations to the aforesaid white/yellow/brown population of the US. But they can’t afford them. So what’s for the best?

  62. @Anon

    Not lead again!

    There has been no lead sold in commercial paint since the 1970’s.

    Lead was used as a white pigment for centuries. It was supplanted by first zinc and then titanium. Lead has certain qualities which made it very useful for some applications, foremost among them is its (of course) toxicity. Naturally then, it was used wherever there was danger from rot due to growth of fungus. Fungus requires both moisture and warmth to survive, so lead was used extensively in e.g. wooden boats.

    Lead is also very heavy. (!) This meant that when put in place, say in the joint between two large keel timbers of a wooden ship, the lead would not wash out or be displaced by water. That coupled with its toxicity made it ideal for faying joints below the waterline. But its very heaviness made lead awkward to use as a housepaint.

    Lead settled to the bottom of a can of paint. Mixing the paint thoroughly before application required lots of muscle power. (I speak from experience here).

    So, how could a black child in the year 2018 possibly come into contact with lead paint?

    Well, painters are warned on the label of every can of paint sold in America of the dangers of sanding old paint, of the possibility of sanding through upper layers to older which would release lead dust into the atmosphere. How likely is this? Not very. In fact, vanishingly small.

    In the first place, black men aren’t around the home to do any chores, so you won’t catch them painting to begin with, still less sanding. That eliminates that possibility.

    And secondly, no commercial painter would allow children anywhere near the room in which he were sanding and painting. Not only do painters use a fan to push bad air out of the house as they sand, they also clean up their mess every evening with a vacuum cleaner. So, no dust there.

    But realistically, any paint, even in an old apartment, has been covered by at least three layers of non-toxic paint since 1975. There’s just no way that there are poor black people who, wondering how to fill their time one slow afternoon, decide to sand through four layers of paint on their rental’s window sill. Plus, the forth layer isn’t likely to contain any lead anyway. Towards the end there, lead paint was expensive. I know, I bought the last can in my town’s paint store in 1978. (I was building a wooden boat)

    So, if lead paint poisoning hounds the poor, why aren’t Appalachian children also exposed to high levels? Wouldn’t their old homes also reek of it?

    I’m not buying this. It’s a red herring.

  63. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:

    They will need to do this first:

    Sweden’s first hijab-wearing MP grilled for proposing RACE–based nationwide register

    https://www.rt.com/news/454122-sweden-mp-race-database/

    Think of all the policies they could enact once this gets implemented. It’s a technocrat’s dream.

    Coming soon to a theater near you…

  64. Jack D says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    what he’s trying to say is that he, as a black American, is sick of being treated as the faceless object of liberal white America’s salvation narrative.

    You are only telling half the story. What you say may be true, but he hates white racists who push his child off escalators and stuff even more. So to summarize, he hates white liberals and he hates white conservatives – you might even say that he just hates white people period.

    The reparations money itself is not important – it’s well understood that blacks will just blow thru it and it won’t form any lasting foundation for building black wealth. The important thing is that white people abase themselves and offer the reparations as a historic apology for having treated black people poorly (even though they are the richest black people on earth) for the last 400 years. Of course 400 years of mistreatment cannot be undone with a single check – you can’t buy salvation that cheaply. White people will have to pay and pay in order to redeem the sins of their ancestors.

    While this scheme may make perfect sense to Ta and probably to many blacks, it’s hard to say what’s in it for white people, even for most white Democrats. Sure some of the Presidential candidates may espouse it in order to attempt to lock up the black vote which is very important in Democrat primaries, but it’s hard to see how you get this thru Congress. Even the rest of the Coalition of the Fringes is probably not going to be wild about it. Occasional Cortex talks about how Hispanics (there were then a few Puerto Ricans in the US) were also victims of Roosevelt’s evil redlining, potentially making them eligible for those big checks too, but I doubt that will fly or that even black plus Latino support is enough to get this passed.

  65. @Alfa158

    Correct. Our Glorious Leaders, in spite of their public denials, have read “The Bell Curve” and accept the author’s conclusions that the only way blacks shall survive will be as wards of the State. The trick then is to design some means of support that will be acceptable to the broad public. Through their mouthpiece, Coates, they’re running reparations up the flagpole to see how strong and which way the winds of public opinion blow.

  66. David says:
    @Anon

    Odd the OED would say that because Shakespeare doesn’t use the phrase or even the word kitchen in Cymbeline per this concordance: http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/concordance/findform.php

  67. Alfa158 says:

    Black plus Latino support would get it passed in a single party political system like California’s but California does not have the power to print its own deficit spending, Monopoly money.
    That is what happened to universal health care in California. The legislature was on-board with drafting a law but the cost projection ran into several times the entire State budget and there was no way to pay for it.

    Within a generation or so the United States as a whole will have the same overall demographics as California and will also have a single party political system. It will then be able to print the Monopoly money needed for permanent reparations and universal health care and UBI for everyone else. Or at least it will until the whole house of cards comes down.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  68. snorlax says:
    @Con Moto

    IIRC the edgier normie conservative blogs like Instapundit, Ace of Spades and Powerline (which often links to Steve) will mock him from time to time.

  69. 11B4P says:

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) pledged Monday to combat white supremacy if elected president, saying that white supremacists “pose a threat to the United States like any other terrorist group.”

    By “white supremacists” she means people who want to enforce immigration laws.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/434649-warren-white-supremacists-pose-a-threat-to-the-united-states-like-any-other

  70. MEH 0910 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Demonize Up vs. Demonize Down.

  71. @AnotherDad

    The flip side of this is that Bernie just isn’t man enough to really represent America’s working class.

    As far as i can tell, it’s not that Bernie doesn’t understand the immigration issue. His “that’s a Koch brothers proposal” and defense of the nation state shows some clarity of thought

    But a bit of minoritarian mau-mauing and Bernie folded up like a cheap suit. Now he’s accepting that his 2016 run was “too white” and “too male”. The Jewish minoritarinism that’s America’s dominant ideology and utterly permeates every pore of the Democrat party makes it just too tough for a weakling like Bernie.

    So he’s left with “medicare for all”. That’s not stupid. There is a bunch of unnecessary b.s.–figuring out what happens if you switch jobs, chosing these plans, tracting your coverage, usage, deductibles. (Personally i’m not obsessed with medical stuff politically. Most people go to the doctor too much. Eat way less carbs, let your body hit ketosis regularly, be more active, stretch and exercise, Americans would be way better off. Then let’s all accept when you get old, you’re gonna die. My response to freedom from Obamacare has been dumping my coverage. If i need a doc–i’ll pay.) But lots of Americans refuse to understand that a lot of modern medical care–having high paid people hover over you–is a “luxury good”. So it’s an issue Bernie can run on.

    But the bottom line here: if America’s working and middle classes are dumped into to the world labor market, their income and lifestyle isn’t going anywhere but down.

    You can blow up the banks and dole out the welfare, but immigration is the salient issue.

    Bernie could win with a pro-American-worker platform that’s serious about immigration … but he’s not man enough to go there.

    Samuel Gompers he’s not.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Harry Baldwin
  72. snorlax says:
    @Anon

    Well to be fair Ben Carson was legitimately one of the top neurosurgeons in the world. Also perhaps the most quietly competent member of the Trump Cabinet, though I’m not sure whether that’s damning with faint praise.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Danindc
  73. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158

    But why would Latinos support this? OC has hinted that Latinos (at least Puerto Ricans then living in the US) were victims of redlining too (and thus also entitled to reparations) but it would be hard (but perhaps not impossible for a Leftist) to say how Mexican Americans were hurt by the big bad Roosevelt when great great grandma (Latino generations are short – they start early) back in the village was hurt when FDR redlined Spanish Harlem.

    No one has really gotten down to the nitty gritty of who gets the reparations check (and how big it would be) but the bigger the group and the bigger the check the more trillions you need. At some point it becomes daunting even for Leftists with printing presses. American Leftists have had (up until now) relatively wise counsel who understand that if you give out too many trillions you have a Venezuela type situation – OTOH you’ve gotten a check for thousands or tens of thousands of $ but OTOH it’s now barely enough to buy a package of hot dogs because you’ve destroyed the currency.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  74. syonredux says:

    The war between Bernie and TNC pits the old Marx-influenced left, with its hardheaded obsession with class, power, and money, against the new Coatesian left, which cares more about whether Marvel’s next movie features a black, female, or nonbinary superhero.

  75. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    My response to freedom from Obamacare has been dumping my coverage. If i need a doc–i’ll pay.

    This is financially reckless. First of all, by not having coverage, the price that you get charged will be much much higher. 2nd, if, God forbid, you have some serious illness it could bankrupt you and your family. At a minimum you should have some sort of catastrophic coverage.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @AnotherDad
    , @J.Ross
  76. syonredux says:

    Our mass entertainment culture has, over the course of a century, spent most of its time reinforcing the idea of black people as undeserving, as lazy, as any number of stereotypes…. Willie Horton, the welfare queen… Because it’s the imagination that sets the terms for what’s possible in terms of policy. And so popular culture matters.

    Along those lines, here’s a pretty good video essay on why the WOKE-Left views politics through the prism of fantasy:

  77. @Anon

    ” McWhorter actually wrote a piece advocating for ignoring the topic of IQ even if it might be true, on the theory that it can do no good to discuss it.”

    Consider the argument.

    IQ is genetically based and is predetermined and as a biologic/genetic state cannot be changed. If that is accurate (and the evidence suggests otherwise).

    There’s nothing to be gained by discussing it in social platforms.

    __________________________

    Comic books have been a staple of establishing social expectations since cowboy serials.

    • Replies: @res
  78. syonredux says:

    Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”

    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

  79. Other identity issues, such as racial reparations, however, distract from class unity and offer wedges for the wealthy to divide and conquer.

    Explains everything on corporate media

  80. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah, independent of Obamacare, hospitals give insurers about a 90% discount off “sticker price,” so insurance is way less expensive than paying sticker price.

  81. @Alfa158

    Reparations are now being envisioned as permanent supplemental income for life for all Blacks, permanent quotas on school admissions and jobs, and forced residential desegregation.

    They already get all that, in various forms and to varying degrees. What I’d give for just one GOP type to have the balls to point this out.

  82. Jack D says:
    @Anonymouse5566

    When you mentioned casting and Patinkin I thought you were going to refer to the Great Comet of 1812 Broadway show – a musical version of War & Peace (or at least 1 subplot of the book). If you recall what happened, the show was a big hit on Broadway, driven by Josh Groban as its star. The female lead was a young black unknown – she was a talented singer, an OK actress and you were supposed to ignore that she was a chocolate brown African American playing a Russian countess.

    Anyway, when Groban left, they got a Nigerian (previously in the cast of Hamilton) to replace him. His name was not a big draw and the audiences noticed that he was not as talented as Groban – the script called for the character to not only sing and act but also to play various musical instruments and he wasn’t pulling it off very well – advance sales started to wane. The producers decided that they needed to replace him with a big name star and booked Patinkin. But as soon as they did, there was an outcry from the “community” – it was racist to replace a black actor with a white actor. Patinkin didn’t want to step into a racial minefield and he backed away from the show. The producers pleaded with the Nigerian to back them and beg Patinkin to come back, but he refused. So the producers had to close it, putting dozens of people (many themselves black and including the Nigerian star) out of work. It was better that there be NO show than a “racist” show.

    A very 21st century clusterfark.

  83. res says:

    From the article:

    For example, one big reason so few blacks qualify for Stuyvesant HS is because the school is 74 percent Asian, many of whom aren’t American citizens.

    Steve, did you post the data for this somewhere?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  84. istevefan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Your average college “student” probably believes six-year-old “boomers” were the cause of McCarthyism.

    I don’t know if this guy is average, but this boomer thinks his generation fought and won WW2. If he represents any significant fraction of boomers, no wonder we are screwed.

    • LOL: snorlax
  85. snorlax says:
    @syonredux

    Disheartening that Tan Overcoats hasn’t heard of a proud black man like St. Augustine. Clearly, we must make Black History Month year-round.

    • LOL: Kylie
  86. res says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks. I have been impressed with Coleman Hughes’ work and need to do a better job of keeping up. Here is a link to all of his Quillette articles: https://quillette.com/author/coleman-cruz-hughes/

    BTW, it looks like his middle name is Cruz. Any idea what his background is?

  87. @snorlax

    That’s interesting. I was told by the place I had a scan done on private insurance fifteen years back that if I was ‘self-funding) it would be cheaper, and told me their price. I thought £400 for both an MRI scan AND a consultant/university professor to review and diagnose wasn’t too bad.

    (In the UK, come into a garage with a damaged car and they’ll ask “is it an insurance job?” – if so they’ll charge more)

  88. res says:
    @Trevor H.

    Can’t remember where, but I saw someone claim that it wasn’t really houses appreciating anyway, it was just the dollar losing value.

    I suspect there is some unaccounted for inflation going on, but not nearly enough to make up for the price increase in nominal dollars: https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/inflation-adjusted-housing-prices/

  89. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    And of course the Nigerian and Patinkin were both playing a white character, as was the rule in turn of the 19th century Russia, Pushkin’s great-grandpa aside.

    “Colorblind casting” perhaps needs be renamed “ratchet casting.” Good deal for Daniel Craig who can keep demanding a king’s ransom to come back as James Bond, lest they be forced by SJWs to give Idris Elba the role and by extension sign it over to blacks in perpetuity, which guarantees the films will flop in China.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  90. @istevefan

    Before Fuzzy Math, there was New Math:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math

    We were drawing Venn diagrams when we were still shaky with a pencil.

  91. @Father O'Hara

    Ronald Reagan put it best: he used a shotgun when he should have used a rifle.

  92. @Jack D

    More or less agree with you Jack. And i intend to do a bit more investigation on the catastrophic deal. (I.e. actual insurance, not dollar trading.)

    (See my response to snorlax.)

    • Replies: @snorlax
  93. snorlax says:
    @istevefan

    And of course the ’80s and ’90s were when the Boomers were “thirtysomething” and fourtysomething (i.e. the peak of their sociocultural influence).

    I’m thinking this is satire.

  94. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    They clearly condescend to Ta by cutting him WAY more slack than they would cut a white (let alone Jewish guy). If Goldberg was debating with another Jew and that Jew admitted that he didn’t know who St. Augustine was, Goldberg would have been all over him like white on rice. Not that they would have hired any Jew who had attended less than an Ivy and who left after 5 years with no degree.

  95. istevefan says:
    @Anon

    The black left keeps escalating their demands for one simple reason. They keep finding out that when they get what they want, it doesn’t change anything.

    Getting full voting rights, going to school with whites, getting welfare, getting free school lunches, getting scholarships handed to them to go to college, whatever, none of it works. Nothing makes them equal to whites. They’re still a very defective people en masse.

    Don’t forget the gift of having had obama elected president. Many Whites voted for this guy because they felt some sort of moral obligation to show blacks that America is indeed an equal opportunity nation, blah, blah, blah. The GOP and McCain effectively conceded the election by pulling punches they never would have pulled on a White guy. Heck, McCain was such a bastard he helped push the Steele Dossier, but would not allow his supporters to say obama’s middle name.

    The press corps then proceeded to ensure that obama’s tenure was a joy ride by abandoning its traditional role of tough, investigative journalism in favor of endless puff pieces and fawning.

    Yet blacks seem more upset post-obama than at any time in my living memory. I think it goes to show that the more you bend over to appease someone, the more you actually end up making things worse. Either they feel embarrassed that they need your help in the first place, or they feel you are weak and pathetic, I don’t know. But the end result appears to be the more you go out of your way for an outgroup, the more that group dislikes you.

    I think we covered an example of this concerning muslims. In the UK, where they bend over backwards for muslims, they get Rotherham and countless other rape gangs. In India, where Hindus will torch an entire muslim village for a perceived insult, the muslims seem to show more respect.

    This is not a suggestion that we mistreat others. Rather it cautions against being obsequious.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  96. @snorlax

    Snorlax–the insurance discount off sticker price was my traditional understanding and the sort of policy i wanted–but of course could not get under Obamacare–was essentially:
    — have an insurance card so no issue getting care
    — get insurance co. price
    — then i’ll pay
    — with some actual insurance for really big costs after a very high deductible

    However, what i’ve found is if you come in and offer to pay cash up front there are actually pretty reasonable prices to be had. Turns out–surprise–docs don’t really want to deal with insurance company paperwork either. They–or at least a good number of them–are happy to take what they’d get from the insurance company up front in cash.

    I can actually afford to some pretty bad stuff–and big bills–happen to me, and still not be in the hole given the price the Obamacare compliant policies charge for people like me (old).

    The imposition of Obamacare back in the day–when all my kids were on-board–jacked our family premium for a ho-hum minimalist policy from $700 to $1200. Literally Obamacare took $6000/year out of my pocket. Now the kids are gone, have their own policies … but the costs have gone up–and we’re older–so the cheapest Obamacare compliant policies is still “bend over and grab your ankles”.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Jack D
  97. Danindc says:
    @Lot

    Who is this “Ta” you speak of??

    His name is either Genius T. or BLEinstein

    Show some respect.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  98. snorlax says:
    @AnotherDad

    I don’t see your reply to snorlax…

    If Steve has put you on the automatically approved whitelist, your comments disappear into the pending approval queue if you edit them. The workaround is to delete the old comment and repost the corrected version.

    That’s pretty cumbersome and breaks the thread if someone replies to you in the interim, so I just leave typos unless they’re really bad or I notice them within 30sec, and if I have any additional thoughts to add I post them in a separate reply to myself or the parent.

  99. anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trevor H.

    Nice try. The issue wasn’t 1970.

    It was the late 1980’s – 2010’s, when Boomers were solidly in control, and promoted one moronic idea after another (insane debt spending, education system run into the ground, dumb wars, dumb trade policy, dumb immigration policy, asset bubbles encouraged by fed to help boomers who financially f’d up,…)

    During this era, the one (inadvertent) Boomer success was causing Russia to implode with free market reforms that were intended to help.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Trevor H.
  100. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    If Pierre was real and not a fictional character, it’s hard to say whether he would have been more horrified to see himself played by an African or a Jew.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Lurker
  101. istevefan says:
    @syonredux

    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks.

    Not only did they insult him, the fact TNC can’t quite catch on to this speaks volumes about his intelligence.

  102. @snorlax

    “Colorblind casting” perhaps needs be renamed “ratchet casting.” Good deal for Daniel Craig who can keep demanding a king’s ransom to come back as James Bond, lest they be forced by SJWs to give Idris Elba the role and by extension sign it over to blacks in perpetuity, which guarantees the films will flop in China.

    LOL. Wish i had such a comfy sinecure.

    Maybe there’s hope for white folks. Demand to be paid to stick around. “Hey, we’re looking at college’s for Jane and Johnny. There aren’t a whole lot of white kids let anymore, and everyone wants them. Your school is on the cusp of flipping to be an uncool POC ghetto. What will you offer?

  103. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Almost certainly the former since Pierre’s a (then) radical left-liberal, Patinkin is “spiritual but not religious” and Russia had only recently obtained, via conquest, areas with a significant Jewish population and which were non-Russophone peasant backwaters, so most Russian nobility wouldn’t yet have strong feelings about Jews.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  104. snorlax says:
    @AnotherDad

    Well, when you really need it you’re not exactly in a position to be offering cash up front.

  105. News of the day on white guilt in academia:

    At Wake Forest, Apologies Not Accepted
    Arts and sciences faculty vote overwhelmingly to condemn university’s response to discovery that two admissions leaders — while students in the 1980s — posed in front of Confederate flags.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/03/20/wake-forest-professors-demand-university-do-more-about-photographs-admissions

    The dean of admissions and the associate dean of admissions both appeared in group photos with the Confederate flag in the 1980s. Both have groveled as hard as they could, but even with the groveling, black students claim to feel “great pain”.

    If blacks get rewarded for acting like emotionally disturbed children, they’ll keep acting like emotionally disturbed children.

  106. Danindc says:
    @snorlax

    Was Ben Carson a top neurosurgeon? That’s a good question and the answer is complicated. He became famous for separating conjoined twins but they ended up being worse off afterwards. The mother regretted the surgery and soon after made them wards of the state.

    When he talks he sure doesn’t sound like a smart guy but who knows…

    • Replies: @snorlax
  107. peterike says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Our mass entertainment culture has, over the course of a century, spent most of its time reinforcing the idea of black people as undeserving, as lazy, as any number of stereotypes

    Stereotypes like black rocket scientists, super genius computer hackers, angry and righteous superheroes, corporate lawyers working in giant high-rise offices, doctors, and, more than ever, that stereotype of black men as romantic companions to beautiful white women.

    I’d like Tennessee to find me a “mass entertainment culture” example of blacks being shown as “undeserving” or “lazy” in, oh I dunno, the last 30 years or so. I can find him ten thousand counter examples. I bet if somebody asked him for an example, he couldn’t name one. It’s all just lies.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Digital Samizdat
  108. snorlax says:
    @snorlax

    And also Pierre is largely based on Tolstoy himself, who was very sympathetic to Jews.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  109. @Anon

    The black left keeps escalating their demands for one simple reason. They keep finding out that when they get what they want, it doesn’t change anything.

    There’s another simple reason. Even as the demands get more and more ridiculous, they still get rewarded for making them. We should tell them that we expect them to act like responsible adults, instead of like spoiled toddlers.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  110. Alfa158 says:
    @Jack D

    The same reason that Blacks support open borders. More Democrats means more power for them, which means the can vote themselves more stuff. The common enemy and the resource for Good Stuff is Whitey. If everybody gets Good Stuff except for Whitey then wealth is flowing from the Pale People to all the Brown People.
    It is the same reason Asians and Jews vote 75% Democrat despite being high income earners who you might think would be Republicans. They have a common enemy who can be exploited so it is in their self-interest to pile on.
    They aren’t worried about the trillions, Mommy can just go to the ATM and get more free money.
    And it won’t be one check, they all realize they would need to get regular checks for life.
    The wise counsel you refer to will be increasingly ignored as the average IQ of the electorate continues to drop. Years ago some pundit commented that the US is rich enough to be stupid. Once you get stupid enough though, you will cease to be rich and be surprised at how fast it happened.

  111. Luke Lea says:
    @Olorin

    the essential childishness of the woke

    Hence Pelosi’s proposal to give 16 year olds the vote!

    https://goo.gl/jnDeCZ

  112. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    Anti-boomerism is dumb. They vote more conservative than the prior or the next generation.

    The worst immigration changes were the 86 amnesty and 90 act. Those were before boomers were in power.

    The worst policy changes were the Great Society and 70s expansion of big government. Also before they had power.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  113. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    Tolstoy is no anti-Semite by 19th century Russian standards. By exquisite 21st century American standards he crosses the line slightly now and then, but not badly enough to make his name anathema. In any writer with as large an oeuvre as Tolstoy, you can find quotes to support almost any position. Most of all, I get the feeling that Tolstoy (especially as a young man) doesn’t really know many Jews well and he never writes important Jewish characters because he knows that he couldn’t do justice to them.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  114. JimB says:

    For example, one big reason so few blacks qualify for Stuyvesant HS is because the school is 74 percent Asian, many of whom aren’t American citizens. Restricting Stuyvesant admissions to American citizens would be a way to help African-Americans as Americans.

    Finish the math. The ratio of whites (18%) to non-Asian minority (100-18-74=8%) is 18:8. If Asians get punted, the Stuyvesant student body would be 32% non-Asian minority with approximately 270 non-Asian minority students. Still not proportional representation but much better.

  115. Alfa158 says:
    @syonredux

    There is a video from a couple of years ago featuring Goldberg and Tennessee Coates at a leftist discussion panel in Colorado. It was cringe-inducing to watch. Whenever Coates had trouble expressing himself, Goldberg jumped in with an agree and amplify along the lines of : “what my very, very good friend Ta-Nehisis is saying is…”. Coates looked very uncomfortable with the situation and never looked over at Goldberg who was obviously his handler and repeatedly used that phrase very, very, good friend.
    Maybe I was reading too much into it, but I got this creepy vibe like Goldberg might be into some sort of Big Black Cuckold fantasy action like Paul Manafort is rumored to be into.
    Apparently Coates left Atlantic magazine not long after.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  116. Luke Lea says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “A better claim is that even as IQ influences income, it shouldn’t determine moral worth.”

    Equal moral worth, in my opinion, means that everybody’s happiness is equally important and public policy should be designed accordingly. It also means that a dollar is worth as much to a poor man as a rich one*; in other words, 20th century economists’ reluctance to make interpersonal comparisons like this violates one of the fundamental axioms of American democracy, which is the real meaning of “all men are created equal.”

    *For how this would work in practice, see here:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WIdVnQEWdYgYYly9iKkesWCVhfINvbtwuVq2GMOxMbw/edit?usp=sharing

  117. Malcolm Y says:

    Comic book devotees on Ta-Nahesi and his safari into comic book land.





  118. Daniel H says:
    @anonymous

    >>Don’t forget the Boomers weren’t responsible for the 1965 Immigration Act.

    No they weren’t. In 1965, even the earliest cohort of Boomers hadn’t even reached voting age.

  119. NYMOM says:

    “A better claim is that even as IQ influences income, it shouldn’t determine moral worth.”

    I agree with this sentiment 100%; however, the question is how do we handle this knowledge now that we have it…and the answer cannot be to “import” the entire 3rd world onto our doorstep in an attempt to allieviate this sad situation…

    Nor can we continue allowing people already here to have one child after another when they clearly can’t function well enough in our society to support them…

    Hard choices will have to be made…

  120. @Desiderius

    But he identifies as black. When he was challenged about it, he explained that his mom slept around a fair bit and though he doesn’t know who fathered him, he knows his mom liked black men.

    Such a nice boy 😛

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Desiderius
  121. Jack D says:
    @res

    Is this even true? I have the impression that not all of the PARENTS of the Asian Stuy students are citizens (or even here legally) but aren’t most of the kids born here?

    Also, you know that is an insincere argument. If NYC, like Philadelphia, ran out of white people with whom to fill the admission by test schools (it looked like they were heading that way in the ’70s at least for the schools in the outer boroughs) the result would have been that Stuy would have tipped URM and become 1st a mediocre place (just like City College, once heralded as a “public Ivy” now teaches remedial reading) and then maybe closed completely (the fate that befell the once famous Erasmus High). So ultimately it wouldn’t have helped blacks at all. Blacks resent Asians in their role as ghetto shopkeepers, landlords, etc. but they don’t view them as competitors who are crowding them out of plum school spots because they understand that they are not in the same category.

    • Replies: @res
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Anon
  122. @istevefan

    Ok, this guy’s a bizzare joke.

    But it’s nonetheless true, there’s a whole raft of millenials who seem to think “the Boomers” are responsible for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Immigration Act, the 1986 Simpsom-Mazzoli Amnesty (Simpson and Mazzoli at least are younger than my parents–Ronald Reagan who signed it, is not), the 1990 immigration debacle (introduced by Ted Kennedy), signed up George H.W. Bush.

    I don’t love what my boomer generation has done with the joint. But while “Boomer” cultural influence starts ramping up in the 60s, “Boomer” political decision making doesn’t even plausibly start until the 80s, and “Boomers” aren’t politically “in charge” until Clinton–a 1946, earliest possible, Boomer–becomes, at a very young 46, President in 1993.

    The Iraq War, the housing bubble and Great Recession–blame us Boomers. All Bush II’s vile amnesty attempts–blame boomers. What was done by LBJ or Reagan or Bush I–all in the service during WWII!–no.

    And this simpering, touchy, uber-feminine world of microaggressions, hurt feelings, wokeness and Maoist denunciations–that’s not the Boomers either. Boomers, even liberal Boomers mostly think that’s stupid. That’s Gen X and Millennials.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  123. Malcolm Y says:

    Well, I remember reading an article by a colleague of Steve Sailer’s – John Derbyshire, in which he said, in effect, that whenever he was at a social gathering of chinese all they talked about was how to hide their taxable income and get as much free stuff from the government that they could. So assuming that they they are more intelligent than us poor white folk as we are told; it doesn’t mean they are honest, upstanding and make good citizens. Nothing is worse than unscrupulous amoral/immoral intelligent people as most orientals/asians are. At least one other ethnic group fits the same profile. We don’t need even one of them.

  124. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    Too bad that there isn’t a simple test that could determine how much black ancestry you had.

  125. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Perhaps doctors but not hospitals. Even 1 visit to an ER will leave with you sticker shock like you couldn’t believe. God forbid that you require emergency surgery and some time in the ICU, say goodbye to all of your savings.

  126. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    Actually Silents and Xers both vote more conservatively than Boomers (in the case of Xers, especially if you adjust for racial demographics and especially if you consider youthful voting habits). But all three are far more sensible than Millennials, (it appears) Zers or the dearly departed Greatests.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  127. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158

    Maybe I was reading too much into it, but I got this creepy vibe like Goldberg might be into some sort of Big Black Cuckold fantasy action like Paul Manafort is rumored to be into.

    Yes you are reading too much into it. You have zero facts to go on so this is just rank and slanderous speculation which is not worthy of you or anyone.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @J.Ross
  128. I thought a ‘full blown conversation’ was when a liberal explains that AIDS is all Ronald Reagan’s fault.

  129. J.Ross says: • Website

    Slate maintains the template of “Islamic terrorism is a collection of unconnected one-offs but all white people are responsible for white lone wolf killers.”
    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/03/20/slate-nz-shootings-implicate-all-white-australians/

    Slate has taken up the mantra of collective guilt, insisting in an article this week that “all white Australians” are somehow implicated in the recent Christchurch mosque shootings.

    “I’m a white Australian,” writes Rachel Withers for Slate. “I know that blaming myself and my cohort is illogical, but I can’t escape the feeling that all of white Australia is implicated in the deaths — a white majority that has fomented and let foment hate.”

    Ms. Withers asserts that the responsibility for the lethal attacks does not lie with the shooter alone, nor even with “those who have stoked the international spread of white-supremacist ideology” such as Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and Donald Trump Jr.

    “Brenton Tarrant was an Aussie through and through, growing up in a country town north of Sydney, steeped in mainstream Australian racism and our particular national brand of Islamophobia,” Withers laments.

    What is the brand of Islamophobia particular to the antipodes? Is that the one where you resent Muslims getting away with rape and murder?

  130. Lot says:

    @AD

    “And this simpering, touchy, uber-feminine world of microaggressions, hurt feelings, wokeness and Maoist denunciations–that’s not the Boomers either. Boomers, even liberal Boomers mostly think that’s stupid.”

    This stuff was around when I was in college in the early 00s. But it was considered a silly joke confined to maybe 3% of the school: the far left humanities professors and their pathetic indebted grad students.

    To see the nuttiness of a few Marxest professors from 15-20 years ago now be official policy in the entire Democratic Party and much of the corporate world is really something.

    I am curious how exactly it happened. Best I can tell is we “old millennials” were exposed to it and laughed it off, but people in their 20s soaked it up and adopted it and evangelized it after graduation. The difference might have been we were the last group to avoid the mobbing and conformism of social media. Plus continuously declining T levels might have hit a critical point.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @Feryl
  131. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    One day our professional class will comprehend that we lose nothing if they were never going to help us anyway.

  132. Kylie says:
    @Anon

    “Nothing makes them [blacks] to whites.
    They’re still a very defective people en masse.”

    Right.

    “This has the effect of making blacks frantic to avoid facing the ugly truth. They keep repeating to themselves, it must be something else, it must be something else, it must be something else.”

    Wrong. Trust me, this is not how blacks think*. They have high self-regard and low self-awareness. They truly believe they lag behind whites because the latter are not sharing whatever magical properties or qualities or processes they keep to themselves and out of black hands. They are not frantic to hide evidence of their inferiority, they are outraged that they have been denied their share of the goodies that make whites so prosperous and successful. They see themselves essentially as victims of theft on a major, societal scale.

    *Of course not all blacks think this way. But I bet most who think beyond the moment do. They see the larger picture of society and feel deliberately cheated by whites’ magical greed.

  133. Ibound1 says:

    AOC: “…and we did not give to ……Puerto Rican communities”

    Can anyone imagine what PR would look like had it been settled by the English or by the Americans? Another Key West. Another Charleston. Another Hawaii. Right off the East Coast.

    They received the gift of a beautiful Carribbean Isle and they trash it and then they complain about the trash. We should pay them all to leave and then we resettle it. Once it is a paradise though, people like AOC would go all Palestinian on us, demanding their “homeland” back.

  134. @Anonymous

    Usury is indeed a sin

    Why?

    I guess the short answer is, because God says so:

    Deuteronomy 23:21 (20)—Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou puttest thy hand unto, in the land whither thou goest in to possess it.

    However, I have to imagine that, like most religious injunctions, the rule must stem from practical/political considerations.

    Perhaps experience establised that the debtor-creditor relationship created a lot of strife and resentment, which interfered with the smooth functioning of a close-knit tribal society.

    Beyond that speculation I don’t know why lending would be so objectionable.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    , @Lot
    , @HallParvey
  135. res says:
    @Jack D

    I thought my way of asking was more polite. Steve is usually pretty good about the facts so I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. But your response describes my gut reaction when I read that–though I am genuinely curious. Perhaps it is true?

    A better question would probably be “how many are anchor babies?” rather than focusing on citizenship. I would find “many” much more believable in that context.

    Regarding the Philly comparison, I’m not sure about that. The wrinkle that the NYC schools depend on the test matters IMHO. That seems to have been an effective bulwark against the rot. We will see if that continues though.

    Regarding black resentment, it’s all emotion with no reasoning AFAICT. The reasoning you give applies almost as much to whites as it does to Asians. What matters is that Asians are not YT.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  136. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    The supposedly antisemitic Tolstoy quotes are mainly him pointing out that OT and NT morality differ, a fact (hatefact?) the NT itself repeatedly and explicitly points out, as AFAIK does the Talmud. So yeah pretty weak sauce except by the 21st century’s Trial of Galileo standards of political correctness.

    Tolstoy’s characters and especially the important ones are mostly drawn from his own social milieu because he recognized his limitations in creating ones that fit his realist style. Dickens and Hugo could get away with featuring a wider cross section of society but only because their characters are broadly drawn caricatures starring in high melodrama. Shakespeare could create a believable and fascinating character of any description in any genre, but he was a singular genius.

    • Agree: Jack D
  137. Blacks know that assisting in the destruction of whitey’s country is a much better bet than holding out hope blacks will catch up.

    White liberals know that improving blacks’ ‘self-esteem’ is setting a goal that’s already met.

  138. ATBOTL says:
    @Lot

    I don’t get it either. I was at a very liberal university in the late 90’s and early 00’s.

    The students could not have been less political. It was seen as fatally uncool to be passionate about do gooder liberal causes. Anti-PC humor was big. Everyone was focused on technology and the zeitgeist was about how the internet was liberating us from control by the powers that be and giving us freedom and choice. It was very much the Gen X spirit of cynicism and individualism. That was the Napster era.

    I have had younger millennials explain to me what happened. They said it started in middle school with anti-bullying curricula after the Columbine massacre. That was an incredibly important event that we don’t discuss enough. All public school across America rolled out a program to change young people’s attitudes the very next school year. They had assemblies and new procedures and bureaucracies for fighting “bullying.”

    This new program emphasized snitching and going to authorities at the slightest conflict. I have been told how this caused a certain subset of female students with liberal views to become very outspoken and start policing other students with the help of the administration. This continued and over time empowered the SJW activists to force their values on others using the coercive power of anti-bullying policies.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Feryl
  139. Nice article that slams Coates and his reparachik warren. Reparations are a bad idea, agreed.

    Note, our founding fathers had similar ideas. From Wikipedia (fair use) Title of Nobility clause:

    The issue of titles was of serious importance to the American Revolutionaries and the Framers of the Constitution. Some felt that titles of nobility had no place in an equal and just society because they clouded people’s judgment. Thomas Paine, in a criticism on nobility in general, wrote:

    Dignities and high sounding names have different effects on different beholders. The lustre of the Star and the title of My Lord, over-awe the superstitious vulgar, and forbid them to inquire into the character of the possessor: Nay more, they are, as it were, bewitched to admire in the great, the vices they would honestly condemn in themselves. This sacrifice of common sense is the certain badge which distinguishes slavery from freedom; for when men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.[8]

    He felt that titles blinded people from seeing the true character of a person by providing titled individuals a lustre. Many Americans connected titles with the corruption that they had experienced from Great Britain,[9] while others, like Benjamin Franklin, did not have as negative a view of titles. He felt that if a title is ascending, that is, it is achieved through hard work during a person’s lifetime, it is good because it encourages the title holder’s posterity to aspire to achieve the same or greater title; however, Franklin commented, that if a title is descending, that is, it is passed down from the title holder to his posterity, then it is:

    groundless and absurd, but often hurtful to that Posterity, since it is apt to make them proud, disdaining to be employ’d in useful Arts, and thence falling into Poverty, and all the Meannesses, Servility, and Wretchedness attending it; which is the present case with much of what is called the Noblesse in Europe.[10]

    Granting black folk preferential treatment in the form of payments generated by all other races amount to wholesale granting of nobility to blacks. A similar argument can be made regarding preferential treatment for Israel and all who support it, and for the very reasons given for Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, which also forbids any member of Congress from receiving gifts from foreign States.

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.[3]

    … foreign State, also known as AIPAC also known as Israel.

    In other words, Coates is against the Constitution
    Corollary: Coates should not appeal to any provision of the Constitution
    until he ceases to oppose Article I, Section 9, Clause 8.

  140. J.Ross says: • Website

    Black French rapper Nick Conrad published a song titled Hang The Jews, advocating the murder of Jewish babies, with a video depicting Conrad torturing a bound Jewish man.
    A French court has convicted him of inciting violence and levied a fine, but as a suspended sentence, so he is not punished in any way unless he re-offends.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6829831/French-rapper-fined-4-300-inciting-violence-song-called-Hang-White-People.html
    My bad, it wasn’t Hang The Jews, it was Hang Whites. That explains why he was not punished and suggests that journalists will obtain and play his catchy tune as a low-key joke.

  141. sayless says:
    @istevefan

    Agree with snorlax, this is satire.

  142. @Jack D

    Mandy Patinkin is a boomer, maybe we can blame it all on him? Or his admirer Barry Manilow?

  143. Ibound1 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Because failure to pay led to loss of land, the only collateral, and concentration of land (which was the true wealth) into few hands. Think of it as a loss of efficiency designed to keep society a bit more egalitarian.

  144. J.Ross says: • Website

    Twelve students are rushed to hospital in Italy after Senegalese man hijacked their school bus and set it alight ‘to protest migrant deaths in the Mediterranean’

    Twelve students have been rushed to hospital in Italy after a man stopped their school bus and set it alight shortly after.

    Ousseynou Sy, originally Senegalese but with Italian citizenship, halted the bus he was driving, with aboard two classes of 51 high school students.

    He let everybody get off and then set the bus alight, threatening to kill himself.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6830639/Twelve-students-rushed-hospital-Italy-Senegalese-man-hijacked-school-bus.html

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  145. ATBOTL says:
    @AnotherDad

    There is too much confusion about the boomer thing. The issue for the alt-right is that baby boomer aged conservatives, as adults, corrupted conservatism.

    Boomers started coming out with new narratives about racial issues during the 90’s, that were very different from how WWII and Silent Generation folks saw those matters.

    Pre-boomer conservatives tended to speak bluntly about race and take the white side of racial conflicts. They would say stuff like “that’s not good for white people.” Boomers started this “Democrats are the real racists” type thinking.

    The text book example is affirmative action. In the 70’s and 80’s, conservatives opposed it because it was racial discrimination against whites. In the later 90’s, you started to hear this new argument that AA really hurt blacks or Asians and white interests were not mentioned. Boomers are the ones who created those kinds of arguments and who those arguments appeal to.

    Boomer conservatives were very big on pushing “colorblindness” and would get really angry if anyone older or younger said anything about race. I saw this in real life in my own family. Boomer conservative were trying to prove that conservatism was consistent with 60’s racial liberalism and would get furious when grandpa or junior wanted to notice racial differences.

    The difference between boomer and silent gen conservative white males was discussed a lot in the early alt-right, especially in NRx circles. Boomer hate was big in NRx. Boomers brought 60’s liberal values into conservatism, libertarianism, the militia movement, the gun culture and everything else implicitly right wing. Boomer conservatives have an absolute addiction to 60’s liberal rhetoric and thinking.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    , @Feryl
  146. @Jack D

    You have zero facts to go on so this is just rank and slanderous speculation which is not worthy of you or anyone.

    Once upon a time, I’d have said – “you expect standards on unz.com?” Today, I’d say “you expect higher standards on unz.com than what we get in the media?” It’s getting to the point where even news items that are, on their face, non-political, are becoming questionable from the standpoint of lies of omission and, occasionally, of commission.

  147. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Can no longer edit. Another report contradicts Daily Mail, which is normally a good paper:

    Then he set fire to the bus with the children still inside. The carabinieri then broke windows to get them out. They finally got away with it all, except for a few poisonings due to smoke. 12 children and 2 adults were transported to hospital as a precautionary measure.”

    http://www.fdesouche.com/1178677-italie-un-senegalais-met-le-feu-a-un-bus-remplis-denfants-pour-venger-les-morts-en-mer-mediterranee

    • Replies: @Jack D
  148. @Jack D

    The producers decided that they needed to replace him with a big name star and booked Patinkin. But as soon as they did, there was an outcry from the “community” – it was racist to replace a black actor with a white actor. Patinkin didn’t want to step into a racial minefield and he backed away from the show.

    I realize that everyone’s brain–and particular theatre people’s brains!–are not wired up in my analytical “let’s create a little model” way.

    But seriously, the fundamental logic here is even more obvious than for the “nation of immigrants” (i.e. immigration forever) debacle.

    If whites can never take a role once it’s “gone black” then, either:
    — blacks can never be given roles whites may want
    or
    — old material, roles can never be reprised
    or
    — new roles are only acted by whites (until stale)
    or
    — theatre will progressively trend toward being completely black.

    Call it “bleatre”.

  149. Anon7 says:

    What do black people who want reparations think about immigrants who get instant cash?

    Their ancestors didn’t help build America one plantation at a time. How come some Mexican guy or Chinese gal gets instant benefits?

    Blacks who think they are owed reparations should be demanding that the borders be closed now.

  150. @Jack D

    Is this even true? I have the impression that not all of the PARENTS of the Asian Stuy students are citizens (or even here legally) but aren’t most of the kids born here?

    My reaction to that line as well–it was just sort of clanging.

    There’s no doubt immigration has been a disaster for blacks, but the absence of recent Asian immigrants wouldn’t send waves of blacks into Stuy.

    One can do a simple model of nixing say 95% of the Asians and say 70% of the Hispanics and then scaling up all the numbers appropriately. The black percentage would indeed rise–by say 3x.

    However, here’s the kicker– How many of those black admits are even native descendant-of-American-slaves blacks? I’d guess very few. They are mostly of West Indian stock with a few Africans tossed in.

    If you chopped out everyone going to Stuy whose ancestors weren’t here in 1960, i think you’d have about the same percentage of blacks, in an overwhelmingly white student body.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jack D
  151. @istevefan

    “the more you go out of your way for an outgroup, the more that group dislikes you”

    Because they don’t see it as fairness (that’s a Western European thing), they see it as weakness.

    “Treat ’em mean and keep ’em keen” turns out to apply outside the mating context. Who’da thunk it?

  152. Lot says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Because smart people with money know their 25% apr loans are not in the interest of the proles they extend them to. They leave the borrower and society as a whole worse off.

    Another way to look at it is it is encouraging sin.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  153. Jack D says:
    @res

    A better question would probably be “how many are anchor babies?” rather than focusing on citizenship.

    I don’t get the feeling that they are anchor babies either. The modal Stuy Asian student is the son of an intact working class family where both parents have (legally or illegally) permanently immigrated here in order to give their child a shot at education and advancement. Before immigrating they worked on the farm or maybe in some factory in Fujian Province. Now they work in a restaurant or sewing factory or some such in NYC, possibly illegally and for less than minimum wage. They may also owe $ to their snakehead (smuggler). The plan is to send sonny to Stuy and then to MIT or Cooper Union and then he gets a degree as a software engineer and a job with Google and breaks the cycle of poverty.

    Regarding the Philly comparison, I’m not sure about that. The wrinkle that the NYC schools depend on the test matters IMHO. That seems to have been an effective bulwark against the rot. We will see if that continues though.

    The test doesn’t matter if there are not enough people to score highly on the test. Someone mentioned that at the low point (before the Asians started showing up), some of the outer borough admission by test schools were no longer filling all of their seats. The other alternative is to keep lowering your cutoff and fill you seats with the unqualified. The test only works if you have an excess of qualified candidates.

  154. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    The other view is that the proles are humans capable of making their own decisions -lenders are not forcing people to take their money and who the F are you to know people’s own interest better than they know it themselves? If you think buy here, pay here auto lenders are charging too much, YOU make interest free loans to the proles and good luck collecting them from the scumbags with no credit.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Lot
  155. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    “They are mostly of West Indian stock with a few Africans tossed in.”

    NYC once had plenty of Heritage Blacks, but they were replaced by immigrants, except a few parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn which were gentrified.

    The early to mid-1960s were a Heritage Black golden age, before the riots, with plenty of jobs for non-college grads, high marriage rates, and Motown dominating popular music and other black genres like jazz and dowop still selling at moderate rates.

  156. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    That libertarian logic could be applied to anything. While not let people sell themselves into slavery? Legalize all drugs?

    Somehow when usury laws were still in effect we managed to have car loans, mortgages, and credit cards.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Crawfurdmuir
  157. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    According to the BBC, ” Italian reports said petrol had been sprinkled around the bus but police were able to smash the rear windows and let the passengers off before it burst into flames.”

    The Senegalese man was not a hijacker, he was the bus driver and he had hoped to kill all the passengers. “Stop the deaths at sea, I’ll carry out a massacre,” he told the police.

    ANSA reported that Sy [the bus driver], who became an Italian citizen in 2004, had been convicted in 2007 and 2011 of drunken driving and sexual molestation of a minor.

    If they can’t send folks like this back (and they never seem to) then at least don’t hire them as school bus drivers, for heaven’s sake.

    There were no serious injuries, thank God.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  158. @Mr. Anon

    Well, the fact that Steve is suggesting that white, black and Native American citizens team up against Hispanic, Asian and various other mystery meat citizens shows that Citizenism didn’t work and is dead.

    Even Steve is abandoning Citizenism.

    I disagree that Trump could have tried Citizenism. If that strategy ever had a chance (and I don’t think that it did unless it was just cover for whites to stay in power), the clock ran out on implementing it 25 or 30 years ago when the demographics still favored whites.

    I sort of trashed on Steve in an earlier comment for promoting Citizenism, and that was unfair, if only because Steve is a giant in our world and gave up a lot to tell the truth while I’m just some schmo in an office. Citizenism was a nice idea, probably the best hope for Civic Nationalism. But in the end, Civic Nationalism just isn’t feasible; it tries to override human nature, asking people to favor members of other tribes over their own tribes (their own extended family). I’ll give Steve credit for trying to make it work, but a coach can work with the athletes that he’s given.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  159. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Somehow when usury laws were still in effect we managed to have car loans, mortgages, and credit cards.

    Like any artificial price control, what this does is it simply makes the controlled good unavailable. If you are a high risk borrower that no one in their right mind will lend to for less than 25% and the legal maximum is 6%, you won’t get credit period. The lender is not going to lend to them at 6% and take a bath – if he is stupid enough to do so once, he’ll be out of business soon enough. So car loans and credit cards existed , but not for such borrowers – for them they might as well not have existed at all.

    • Replies: @Lot
  160. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Maybe Stuy would have stayed white and full but in the absence of post-1965 immigration, most of the outer borough schools would be all black or closed by now. There would have simply been not enough white kids to fill them.

  161. If Tennesse Coates did not exist, Tom Wolfe would come back to life to invent him.

  162. I get the sense that “reparations” wasn’t an idea that the leading leftists came up with. No, it seems to have been the fruit of formerly-subservient blacks who came up with it. I don’t know why, just maybe the blatant “gibsmedat”-ness of it smacks as too gauche for the more manipulative schemes of leading lefties.

  163. OFF TOPIC

    Froggy Farage Pledges To Tear Conservatives ‘Limb From Limb’ If Brexit Is Abandoned

    Prime Minister Theresa May Tells English To Forget About Leaving The European Union — May To Go Shopping With Macron’s Wife To Buy More Shoes

    English People Put In Prison For Bacon Pranks And Properly Referring To Limey Blokes As Blokes Instead Of Broads

    The Young English In England To Join With Young Whites In Australia and New Zealand and Canada and The United States In Debt Defaults To Protest Great Race Replacement Due To Mass Legal Immigration and Illegal Immigration

    More Headlines On The Way

    Limbless Limey Conservatives Found In Topless Bar By Froggy — Froggy Says ‘Don’t Look At Me’

    • Agree: jim jones
  164. res says:
    @peterike

    That was interesting. Thanks. Any idea when the “later post” covering “Coates’ remaining two demands (reparations for land theft and slavery)” will appear?

  165. res says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    That works right up until the point people start complaining about “disparate impact” and disproportionate group representation in areas (e.g. schooling and jobs) where IQ is important.

  166. @res

    I don’t buy that IQ is static, determined by skin color or is any way limited by the same. Whether IS has any relevance depends on the nature of the work.

    I would even challenge that IQ is by definition important in education. Take something as advertised as requiring intelligence as math. But most math does not require a high IQ. It requires memorizing formulas and when to apply X formula to which equation or assigned problem. That’s more a matter of memorization.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  167. Flip says:
    @Trevor H.

    The problem that black homeowners face is that if they buy in black neighborhoods, prices don’t typically rise very much, while if they buy in white neighborhoods which subsequently change to black, home values drop, wiping out their equity.

    • Replies: @res
  168. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    There is an undeniable obsession among a segment of a certain group with black sexuality (which may just be an obsession with bothering white audiences about it) and this particular Goldberg is a raving idiot who does make bizarre protestations of how much he loves blacks. Saying that all Jews concern themselves with this would be indefensible rubbish but that’s not what Alfa said. There is a more serious, more widespread, but less media-propagated gentile obsession with getting blacked among Europeans, which popped up here and there early in the Merkelboner. Now mixed marriages are somewhat more common and their visibility has been made a special priority by SJW long marchers, but back when WB mixed couples were nearly non-existent, almost all media chatter about it came from a certain obsessed party within a certain group.
    And it’s not like it’s illogical. If you’re “obsessed” with other groups, there are easily arrived at reasons: sex will inevitably come up but there’s more culture and achievement for it to get through. If a person is obsessed with blacks, what the hell is there but sex? Dominoes?

  169. @res

    And sadly, as noted in many of these discussions there’s plenty of support that education while separate was not equal —

    that is a legitimate complaint.

  170. @Hypnotoad666

    Deuteronomy 23:21 (20)—Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest

    We are all foreigners then. Makes sense. Explains the modern welcoming attitude toward our kinsmen from other lands, by the politically correct.

  171. OT – in New Zealand they’re arresting people who share footage of the mosque attack.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-could-get-14-years-for-sharing-massacre-video/

    But President Erdogan of Turkey is showing the attack on big screens at his election rallies. And he’s showing the guy’s manifesto, which says the Turks should get out of the European side of the Bosphorus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/18/erdogan-shows-christchurch-attack-footage-at-rallies

    • Replies: @El Dato
  172. Anonymous[615] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    ‘Usury is indeed a sin’

    Whoah!

    But is it good for the Jews?

    • Replies: @Lot
  173. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    To increase security, Unstable Busdriver will now be reinforced with a Diversity Groomer. It’s like Pokemon – gotta catch them all.

    Stop the deaths at sea

    Especially the ones where people are thrown overboard for not being Muslim enough.

    Senegal is not even on the Mediterranean. Indeed it’s very far away.

  174. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” Karl Marx

    Nothing breaks up socialism or the coalition of the fringes better, then noticing that one group with very little ability is getting way more than they need.

  175. @Jack D

    So what?

    Without 1965, this country would still be ~85% white. If some NYC boroughs turn into Detroit or into park land to keep the country white, I’m fine with that.

    What a bizarre viewpoint you have. “Immigrants doing the jobs that white Americans won’t” runs deep in your blood.

    It’s almost as though the health of NYC is far more important to you than the fate of gentile whites. Interesting, but not surprising.

  176. Arclight says:
    @MEH 0910

    Yeah, he’s pretty thin-skinned. I once got into an argument with him on The Atlantic when they still allowed comments and basically he avoided actually getting into the details and just complained that he didn’t like he didn’t like one of my analogies. He had this cult-like following nicknamed “The Horde” that basically just agreed with/fawned over him for everything, but even one of them pointed out he wasn’t actually engaging my argument. Saw that happen time and time again.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  177. @Arclight

    Coates was the first over there to ban all commenting on his drivel. Seems he didn’t like being criticized. What a pathetic, babbling, under-talented, thin-skinned, white-hating token.

  178. snorlax says:
    @Danindc

    As I recall that was either the first or one of the first cases of that type of surgery where the subjects even survived and also IIRC there’s yet to be one that was a complete success.

    Aside from subjective disciplines like “public intellectual,” while there is plenty at the lower rungs, there really isn’t any affirmative action at the top of a profession. They all got big boosts in their early careers for sure, but Barack Obama is an exceptionally talented politician, Tony Dungy is an exceptionally talented football coach and Clarence Thomas is an exceptionally talented legal scholar, full stop, no qualifier necessary. Likewise Carson wouldn’t be in a position to even be selected to perform that surgery if he weren’t an exceptionally talented neurosurgeon.

    Like Sylvester Stallone, Carson has a very deliberate speech pattern that comes across as dumb, but he isn’t. Look at his PBS interview yesterday Dtbb linked; every question is some kind of gotcha attack on him and/or Trump, and he (in my opinion) parries each line of attack with well-reasoned, intelligent answers.

  179. Do they realize that when the cities and neighborhoods that were redlined, were redlined, they were white? The areas that were redlined were perceived as going downhill economically and the people living there were shut out of loans. Most of those neighborhoods were older ethnic areas of large Northeastern and Midwest cities. There was an active effort to get people to move from those areas and into suburbs and to cities in the Sunbelt. Part of this was probably because the people who lived in these cities were assumed to be Democratic voters and getting them into areas where Democratic support was low would level the playing field. Another reason the effort was made was the dogma of “a nation of homeowners was unbeatable.” In any case, most of the people redlined were white.

  180. @snorlax

    Actually Silents and Xers both vote more conservatively than Boomers (in the case of Xers, especially if you adjust for racial demographics and especially if you consider youthful voting habits). But all three are far more sensible than Millennials, (it appears) Zers or the dearly departed Greatests.

    The Greatest Generation voted in the New Deal, set up the UN and passed all the civil rights legislation shy of busing and affirmative action. They were pretty progressive in their day.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Redneck farmer
  181. “time to start a national, full-blown conversation about reparations,”

    I want someone to call them on “national” and insist on an international conversation. Call out Britain, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Arabs, Jews, African countries. Make the whole conversation a Charlie Foxtrot.

  182. @ATBOTL

    Yes. This was when people stopped using the word “tolerance.” Today if you said that whites should be more tolerant of blacks, you’d be accused of being stupidly evil. What’s to tolerate? They vibrantly enrich us as any fool can see. We should be asking them to tolerate us.

  183. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    I agree usury is a price control that will stop some people from getting a car loan. If nobody will loan you the money at 10%, you’ve used credit irresponsibly in the past and likely will again. (I got a 6% car loan as a minimum wage college student when prime was higher, so lack of credit history isn’t what results in usurious rates).

    There are another group of people who get tricked into above market rate loans. Usury laws protect them too.

  184. Add to my list of reparations…every presidential election will have one black male and one black female candidate.

  185. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    It is bad for everyone except the scumbag banks and payday lenders.

  186. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “So unlike Harmon, Levitz believes blacks have lower IQs … because of redlining, which exposed blacks to lead pollution”

    I’m willing to accept that proposition if it can be supported with evidence, even if it proves only to be a partial contributor. In fact, I find it to be an intriguing suggestion worthy of study. I guess that’s the difference between the dissident right and the SJW left: one quadrant of the political spectrum (#1) is willing to argue in good faith while the other side merely takes their beliefs on faith. In that respect, regressives have more in common with extreme libertarians than they do with the kinds of guys who post here.

  187. @ThreeCranes

    But realistically, any paint, even in an old apartment, has been covered by at least three layers of non-toxic paint since 1975.

    Exactly right. That lead-paint wheeze … maybe, just maybe, a couple of generations ago. Today? A canard. ERRRRRR, I mean, a trope.

  188. Redman says:
    @AnotherDad

    As always, Anotherdad hits it out of the park.

    Coates doesn’t seem to represent blacks anymore than Spike Lee did when he exploded onto the scene with “She’s Gotta Have It.”

    And Jewish media is clearly (always) pushing this “trope.”

  189. El Dato says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    But most math does not require a high IQ. It requires memorizing formulas and when to apply X formula to which equation or assigned problem. That’s more a matter of memorization.

    That’s not math, that’s applied arithmetic at best. Do not confuse math with a Picat test.

    Anyone who pretends to muddle through math with “memorization” is delusional. It might work for high schoolers if they are lucky and the grading is lax …

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  190. El Dato says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Erdogan is in high dudgeon

    ‘Your grandparents returned in caskets’: Australia, New Zealand slam Erdogan’s Christchurch comments

    Something something the Dardanelles (an over-reach of Churchill as I remember) back from when the Ottoman Empire collapsed like gasbag and was ripped apart by the talons of the Entente Powers.

    Since the weekend, the Turkish president showed supporters blurred footage of the massacre, which was livestreamed by the attacker, along with parts of the manifesto he had published before going on a gun rampage. Erdogan said the terrorist attack in Christchurch was motivated by hatred of Islam, which, he implied, parts of the Western establishment condone or secretly endorse. Turkey, a Muslim country, is in the crosshairs of this hatred, he warned.

    “They are testing us from 16,500km away, from New Zealand, with the messages they are giving from there. This isn’t an individual act, this is organized,” he said, without elaborating.

  191. Coates’s thinking seems jumbled at best, manic at worst. Some of his writing is compelling, I guess (I disagree with everything he believes.) He needs a good editor. Remember, Ta (?,) similes use like or as, Mounds don’t. My suspicion is white people at The Atlantic are too scared to tell Mr. Coates his usage of some word is wrong, or that some phrase or paragraph or essay doesn’t make any sense. That bit’s always been strange; he doesn’t seem like the type to pull rank and go off on some uppity white à la Sheila Jackson-Lee.

  192. @The Alarmist

    If Lizzie Fauxcahontas is leading the discussion, do we only have to pay attention to 1/1,024th of it?

    Your question reminded me of something I read some time ago, namely that the Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson is a descendant of St. George Tucker (1752-1827), a Virginia lawyer and Revolutionary War soldier.

    St. George Tucker’s maternal grandmother was Frances Elizabeth Bolling, one of the “Red Bollings” descended from Pocahontas. It is entirely probable that Tucker Carlson has more Amerind DNA than Elizabeth “Princess Spreading Bull” Warren does – and Carlson’s ancestry, unlike hers, is impeccably documented.

  193. Altai says:

    I don’t know if Steve is being too hard on black voters. It was really black Democratic primary voters who stitched things up for Bernie.

    And that cohort was far more of the bloc-voting old church lady being bused in by the reverend than the general election demographic who would likely have embraced the likes of Sanders.

  194. anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Actually;

    The Wiggers or Uyghurs[23] are a Turkic people who originate in East and Central Asia. As of 2019 Wiggers live primarily in the Xinjiang Wigger Autonomous Region of the People’s Republic and large American cities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs

    And a hat tip to whoever it was who came up with “Talcum-X.”

  195. @Lot

    Bear in mind that what credit card issuers did to make an end run around state usury laws was to attach themselves to banks in states (e.g., South Dakota) that had either no such laws or laws with very high limits. The issuers then provided on their credit applications that the agreement between borrower and lender was subject to the laws of the state in which the issuing bank was domiciled.

    Because states cannot Constitutionally pass laws impairing the obligations of contracts (Art. I, §9), a usury law in state A could not forbid a bank in state B from charging the residents of state A an interest rate to which they had agreed under the laws of state B, where the issuing bank had its headquarters. This made the fortunes of several banks in states with nonexistent or very liberal usury laws.

    • Replies: @Lot
  196. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Excellent comment. I’m a better man from reading it. Thank you.

  197. Clyde says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez took time out from promoting her “Green New Deal” to lambaste the Real New Deal:

    Why is her ungrateful idiot ass even residing in New York State? Because America was so stupid to take Puerto Rico as a base for our military. We should have cut them loose right after WW2. Then we would not have any AOC blabber mouthing

  198. @International Jew

    He can identify as Klingon for all I care.

    He’s white as the day is long.

  199. @AnotherDad

    Trump has shown that, despite being elected president, no one will be able to get any policy ratified that the Powers That Be consider contrary to their interests. So if Bernie were elected, what would he really be able to do? Very little, I assume. Plus he’s a weak man, a schmendrick who is easily pushed around, as demonstrated by the two fat black lesbian BLMers who took his microphone away.

  200. @Skyler_the_Weird

    As one born in 1928 and growing up in the Great Depression, even at my young age I witnessed the “quiet desperation” on the faces of many older people in my community. I was very fortunate in having been raised on a small farm, none of my siblings or I ever went to bed hungry. But I knew of other families whose main staples were bread and potatoes, and a honest dollar was hard to come by. It was such a different world back then it would be impossible for a modern youth to relate because poor people learned to do without and in the process were able to survive. You are right to the extent most young people would not know how to take care of themselves, but there still exists a hard care group of survivalists who are armed and ready to deal with the future, grim as it may be.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @MBlanc46
    , @Anonymous
  201. snorlax says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Yes. That’s what I meant in case I wasn’t clear.

  202. captflee says:

    OFF TOPIC

    You lucky folks who are alumni/fans of the left coast USC will doubtless be thrilled to hear that li’l Carol Folt, fresh off her NCAA abetted triumphal reign over the carnival of corruption and iconoclasm at UNC’s flagship, will be your new president. Seeing what she was able to accomplish in a state full of Babdists, I await with gleeful anticipation her efforts amongst the multicultiverse of lalaland, surely a far more lucrative market, overfull of vibrant folks from civilizations far more advanced in the dark arts of jobbery. Ol’ Papa Sam over at UCLA was just ahead of his time.

  203. @Faraday's Bobcat

    New Deal and UN was the WW1 and “lost” generations

    • Replies: @Feryl
  204. Lot says:
    @ATBOTL

    “They said it started in middle school with anti-bullying curricula after the Columbine massacre.”

    Agree. I do remember that from slightly younger relatives.

    One of them got in trouble that year for his comic book style violent doodles, which from what I remember is a standard hobby of about ten percent of middle school boys.

    Solution is once again defund higher education and charterize public schools. The latter is already happening. The smaller the district, the less left wing administration, and charters effectively reduce district size.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  205. Lot says:
    @Simply Simon

    You’re 90? That’s likely good to be Senior iStever.

    Great to have you commenting here!

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  206. @YetAnotherAnon

    Likewise, we should demonize the people in Tulsa, Oklahoma for some of that police brutality in NY City, cause …

    THEY’RE ALSO 1,300 MILES APART, you stupid geographically challenged broad!

    What’s another word for that, anyone? “Geotardation”?

  207. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    What do you mean that Philly’s magnet schools have run out of white kids? Masterman, the flagship science school, is 40% white, 28% Asian, 18% black, 9% biracial, 5% Hispanic, according to Great Schools.com. It’s the number one public high school in the state.

    There’s also GAMP, Palumbo, and Central which all have good reputations with different racial mixes. If you want an example of a city whose magnet schools are in ruins, you’ll have to look elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  208. Lot says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    That’s not what happened here. You can’t avoid the laws of a state you do regular business in by just putting something in a contract.

    Rather what happened is the GOP’s banker lobby got regulators and courts to say the National Bank Act trumps state laws. They could modify the law, or change their interpretation of it, and once again Citibank etc would have to follow California usury laws in California credit cards.

    I’m pretty sure California had credit cards before all this happened in the 1980s.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  209. res says:
    @Flip

    You are ignoring the upsides.

    1. Lower initial purchase prices in black neighborhoods.
    2. Significant upside if they buy in a black neighborhood which later gentrifies.

    And your second point is much harder on the majority of whites who were in those white neighborhoods first and get to watch their equity (and neighborhood) being destroyed.

  210. Forbes says:
    @Danindc

    And all along I though his name was Tennessee, cuz it sure sounds that way…

    • Replies: @tyrone
  211. Lurker says:
    @Jack D

    If only Jussie Smollett had got the gig, then it would have been both.

  212. @El Dato

    Uhh no. That is math. My comments have nothing to with the PICAT.

    A kid goes to school first math lesson learn the components of math: 1, 2, 3 . . . 0. Signs: +, -, x, /

    Next begin learning the basics in math problems and they are learned by rote . . .

    1 plus 1 = 2. 1 plus 2 = 3 . . . Multiplication, subtraction, division, fractions . . . ratios . . . all formulas. If you can remember the formulas algebra etc. and when to apply them – that’s math. Apply the correct formulas input and out the correct numbers — math, sometimes called arithmetic.

    When a physics student heads to class he or she learns mathmatical equations and formulas for motion, distance and relationships.

    I certainly understand the value of reduction so as to highlight the value of a system. While problem solving might use math — the numbers don’t change and neither do the formulas, unless one is exploring or explicating new and unknowns — that is not math.

    That is the critical thinking process which requires a different skill set.

  213. Forbes says:
    @peterike

    Absolutely true. The public when polled responds that the black population proportion to be 25-30%, principally due to blacks over-representation in entertainment media.

    What Tennessee is repeating or reinforcing (“…as any number of stereotypes”) is what he sees with his own eyes, or perhaps, is a critique he hears–but, as you say, it doesn’t come from the mass entertainment culture which, fairly uniformly, portrays blacks as heroic, acting out as the better angels of ourselves. Even to the point of complete historic inaccuracy so as to fill out the cast with black actors.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  214. @Calvin X Hobbes

    We should tell them that we expect them to act like responsible adults, instead of like spoiled toddlers.

    It’s been 52 years since nationally syndicated columnist James J. Kilpatrick wrote, “[T]he law-abiding majority of this country, imperfect as it is, ought to put a hard question to large elements of the Negro community: When in the name of God are you people going to shape up?”

  215. MBlanc46 says:

    I’m sure that Sanders wishes that the race-baiters would just shut up, already. But they’re not going to. When they went after him four years ago, he cowered. Maybe they’ll leave him alone this time if he’s not doing too well. But if the old white guy looks as if he’s going to take what they think is rightfully theirs, they’ll be back.

  216. Feryl says:
    @Olorin

    “Youth” culture was actually emphasized in the 1950’s, during the peak of the post-ww2 economic and social success. This continued into the 60’s, but something changed by 1967. What changed? Generations. Youth culture of the 50’s and early 60’s was about Silents. As we neared the 70’s, and Boomers became the teen cohort, what we actually saw was that GI and Silent movie/TV producers/directors actually started casting movies and shows to emphasize older adults. Older adults during the hippie/disco/punk Awakening of the late 60’s and 70’s really did find Boomers to be strange and frightening. Once the Awakening subsided in the 80’s, movies and TV shows started featuring substantially younger casts again.

    Since America’s population has substantially aged over the last 20 or so years, I actually think that pop culture is substantially less youth focused than it was in the 1950’s or 80’s. Saturday Night Live has had casts in the 2000’s and 2010’s that are quite a bit older than the casts of the 80’s or early 90’s. Popular to semi-popular “new” rock groups over the last 15 or so years seem to be much older than they were in the 1950’s-1990’s (an “emerging” band with a member over the age of 35 isn’t unheard of). Media targeted toward Millennials and Gen Z often features content that exploits nostalgia for the 1980’s, even though most of them don’t remember the 80’s (Stranger Things being the major example).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  217. MBlanc46 says:
    @Trevor H.

    The 1946-1964 range perhaps makes sense because the WWII vets might have been having their last kids in the mid-sixties. But the two extremes are more different than they are alike. I was born in 1946. I have two considerably younger half-brothers (same father). One was born in 1963, hence a late Boomer. The other was born in 1965, hence a member of the next cohort. It won’t surprise anyone that they’re much more similar to each other than they are to me. Mme B (1950) says that you’re not one of us if you don’t remember where you were and what you were doing when you heard that Kennedy was shot.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @snorlax
  218. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    One of them got in trouble that year for his comic book style violent doodles, which from what I remember is a standard hobby of about ten percent of middle school boys.

    Crime: Doodled two stick figures shooting guns at each other. In elementary school.
    Punishment: Interrogated by teacher’s aide, interrogated by school psychologist, sent back to teacher’s aide for half-hour scolding/lecture, parents summoned, lecture repeated for their benefit.

  219. MBlanc46 says:
    @Simply Simon

    I only heard about that world from my mother, although to a certain extent my family didn’t finally exit the Depression until the 1960s, when I was in my teens. I learned to garden from my mother’s mother, who put some of the food that she put on the table in the 1930s that way. Sometimes I think that the only thing that can save us is another barnburner if a depression. Mme tells me to shut up.

  220. Feryl says:
    @Forbes

    Blacks gravitate toward entertainment and sports because they don’t have that many options. It’s not so much that they are good at these things, it’s more that they really are desperate to avoid their shortcoming in other areas. So many blacks are willing to strap on football gear and get their brains smashed in, while many whites think better of it. Similarly, blacks across America frequently play playground basketball, with whites being about as common as unicorns, since most whites want nothing to do with ghetto people or culture. It should be noted that football and basketball have become substantially blacker since the 80’s, because race relations have become so toxic; white coaches and players essentially accept teams that are 70% or more black so as to not deny blacks opportunities; after all, what else are going to do with black people if we don’t let them dominate sports? As for the idea that the best players are playing, don’t make me laugh. The mid-70’s Oakland Raiders (a pretty good team) at one point had three (THREE!) white running backs on their active game roster. Meanwhile, secondary play in modern pro and college football is absolutely atrocious, which I’m sure has nothing to do with the fact that secondaries now have a 1 white player limit (whereas before the late 1980’s, having two or three whites wasn’t that uncommon, with Don Shula’s successful Dolphins teams of the 70’s and early 80’s almost always having 2 or 3 whites in the secondary).

  221. Feryl says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The Progressive era (Circa 1900-1930) was Missionary and Lost driven. The New Deal era (circa 1930-1960) was Lost and GI Driven. The Great Society era (1960-1980) was GI and Silent driven. The Reaganite era (1980-2010) was Silent and Boomer driven. Post-2010 has been Boomer and Gen X-er driven. Draw your own conclusions.

  222. Mr. Anon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ahhhhh……..but you’re talking about actually-existing-citizenism. Real citizenism has never been tried.

    I agree that the time for implementing a citizenist agenda probably passed us by some time ago. The demographics now mitigate it ever working.

  223. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The boomer decade was the 1990s. That was when they moved into positions of real power in society and began finally to implement all the ideas that TV shows implanted in their heads in the 1950s and 60s.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  224. @Lot

    Rather what happened is the GOP’s banker lobby got regulators and courts to say the National Bank Act trumps state laws. They could modify the law, or change their interpretation of it, and once again Citibank etc would have to follow California usury laws in California credit cards.

    Federal law always preëmpts state and local law under the Supremacy Clause (Art. VI, 2).

    Congress did not modify the applicable law and the courts did not change their interpretation of it. To blame their failure to do so on “the GOP’s banker lobby” is fatuous. One might as well blame legislative inertia.

    Bear in mind that at the time, neither nationally nor state chartered banks could branch across state lines. That had to wait until the Riegle-Neal Interstate Branch Banking Act of 1994. While that was, in my opinion, the principal culprit in the development of “too big to fail” banks, it also had the effect of subjecting banks doing business with residents of states in which they had little or no physical footprint to the laws of those states. Had Riegle-Neal been in effect in the 1970s, the interpretation might have been different.

  225. Feryl says:
    @ATBOTL

    I would say that temperament is key here, not just the ideology. The thing about Boomers is that they constantly inject their feelings and biases into everything, and make everything personal. When you talk about Boomers changing stuff, changing culture, what’s happening is that GIs and Silents could talk about issues in a matter of fact way, without losing their cool. But when Boomers get involved, the emotional and rhetorical temperature gets turned way way up. Everybody starts bickering, and not much can get accomplished. Certainly, my experience is that Boomers come out of arguments/debates more convinced of their superiority, and more convinced that their opponent is an idiot. One I’ve also noticed is that Boomers, more so than any other generation, take pride in locking into a stance and never wavering from it. Since people are flawed, of course, we can take flawed positions. Ergo, to develop ourselves, we have to change our understanding of things from time to time. Because maybe we had it wrong, and we can’t be too proud to not admit it.

    The intellectual and rhetorical decay of this country over the last 20-30 years has certainly not done any favors for the temperament of X-ers or Millennials, either.

  226. Feryl says:
    @ATBOTL

    I was 12-13 around the time of Columbine. When Boomers and X-ers went to High School, they largely had freedom. In the late 90’s, though, schools became very strict about school attendance, violence, butter knifes/squirt guns, drugs, etc.

    I don’t think younger people really cared about politics or social issues in the late 70’s-mid-2000’s. And that’s for the best, because society loses it’s mind when young people start to care too much, as we saw in the late 60’s/early 70’s, and as we are seeing right now. Since aggressive behavior peaks from about the age of 17-27, it’s best that youngsters leave the politics to older people, instead of deluding themselves into thinking that campus unrest, street rioting and terrorism are a good use of their time.

    Jon Haidt and South Park have captured the frightening nature of politicized youth; Haidt says that punishment, and even physical beatdowns, over “intolerance” have become championed by a certain portion of Gen Z. South Park created the PC Principal character to ridicule the hypocricy of a tyrannical PC Left bullying people over “intolerance”. But we’ve been down this road before; Boomers were incredibly violent and brash, while claiming to care about “sensitivity” to minorities and the environment back in the late 60’s and early 70’s.

  227. @Trevor H.

    You are right at the border of the Baby Boomers and Gen X.

  228. Feryl says:
    @Lot

    We hit a tipping point of people (esp. younger people) acting really high strung, paranoid, super-duper intense and nervous, during Obama’s second term. I do think that there’s something to be said about older people adjusting their behavior to placate the rising generation, and according to Jon Haidt, the culture became way more PC and humorless when Gen Z first went to college around the year of 2012. These trends worsened under Trump, since Trump was elected partially because he was so profoundly antithetical to PC. So Trump did nothing to calm America’s frazzled population down.

    When Boomers came of age, society became a lot more free wheeling and violent, since young Boomers were so Dionysian (60’s and 70’s). When X-ers came of age, society became cynical and pragmatic (80’s and 90’s), because X-ers don’t believe in anything…but they really don’t believe in grand projects to improve the world or the human race. Millennials, and especially Gen Z, want our affairs to be more tightly regulated, so society has become much less freedom loving, and much less violent* and chaotic, than it was in the 60’s-90’s.

    *Campus violence and political terrorism is on the rise, but animal cruelty, domestic violence, armed robberies etc. are much less of a problem now than they were 20, or 30, or 40 years ago.

    Now, I don’t necessarily think that Gen Z’s wishes have to be so insanely hostile to people who want to express “threatening” ideas. Ideally, we can somehow “convert” them to use their energies on better causes. But alas, at the moment mainstream Gen Z youth culture, in terms of politics, is like a shattered fun-house mirror of every braindead Leftist idea that fermented in the over-active imaginations of a minority of prog activists in the 60’s-90’s.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  229. Feryl says:
    @Anonymous

    Pop culture-wise, the 70’s and 80’s were the Boomer decades (in terms of who performed most of the hit songs, and in terms of when Boomer actors got started). In terms of running our institutions, the 90’s and 2000’s were the Boomer decades, and truth be told, Boomers still run most of our institutions to this day, because Gen X has really done a no-show

    • Replies: @res
  230. @ChrisZ

    Thanks for the kind words, Chris.

    You’re absolutely right that my comment draws on Lewis’s insights.

    In Abolition of Man, and in That Hideous Strength, Lewis works out the implications of a class of ostensibly meritocratic, disinterested, well-meaning technocrats taking over the ‘management’ of the rest of us — for our own good, of course.

    Lewis fully grasped the essentially demonic motivations and results of this kind of experiment.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  231. @ThreeCranes

    Black kids eat paint chips from windowsills and trim of windows peeling from decades of exposure to moisture, temperature extremes, and UV light, in buildings unmaintained by their mostly black slumlords. Appalachian kids do not do this, and Appalachian landlords contribute far more to the upkeep and safety of their properties. Old oil paint used for interiors tends to get chalky when it fails and brings old layers of lead paint with it when it peels off. Again, why black kids eat the peeling paint in contrast to Appalachian kids is a matter of child rearing differences between the races. Black kids also probably are attracted to the Neapolitan ice cream colors, the candy-colored pinks and blues of paint layers from the mid-twentieth century. Yum! After a solid 30 years of an adulthood of painting in my city of Chicago, I have yet to hear a yarn from the guy at the Benjamin Moore store about a white kid with lead poisoning from paint chips or even a white homeowner that is unaware of the potential lead hazard of lead paint layers in Chicago’s century-old housing stock. Everybody knows but the South and West sides, even in the 21st Century.

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    , @res
    , @Dtbb
  232. @Eric Novak

    The Chicago Tribune editorialized in favor of building Cabrini Green around 1961 to get poor children out of lead paint infested tenements.

  233. Clyde says:

    Rap-O-rations must require a DNA test so that your Rap-O-rations payout is based on your percentage of African DNA. I see lots of mocha women on TV complaining, They will get less money. No black immigrants get Rap-O-rations. They wuz never slaves.

    Rap-O-rations as a one time payment, payment to stop bothering me, go away, would be the cleanest way. But if blacks are smart they will want Rap-O-rations in the form of a onetime large payment, smaller monthly payments and interest free Cadillac Escalade loans and interest free home loans.

  234. res says:
    @Feryl

    In terms of running our institutions, the 90’s and 2000’s were the Boomer decades, and truth be told, Boomers still run most of our institutions to this day, because Gen X has really done a no-show

    Alternate interpretation: the Boomers have refused to let go of the levers of power. Reality IMHO: numbers matter.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Feryl
  235. res says:
    @Eric Novak

    It is a real problem, but the blood lead problems in children have declined greatly over the last thirty years. Those who consider that THE explanation for the B/W IQ gap are simply wrong.
    https://undark.org/article/lead-testing-child-blood-levels/

    Caption for that graphic:

    A DISPARATE BURDEN: From 1988 to 2014, the percentage of children aged 1 to 5 years with blood lead at or above 5 mcg/dL fell dramatically for all racial and ethnic groups. Still, even by 2014, non-Hispanic black children were twice as likely as non-Hispanic white children and more than three times as likely as Mexican American children to have elevated blood lead levels.

    Source: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.

    Visual: Undark

    Some additional recent data: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/ss/ss6603a1.htm

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  236. @MBlanc46

    I was born in late 1958 and 11/22/63 is the earliest memory I can date precisely on the calendar. (It was just before my fifth birthday.)

  237. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simply Simon

    The movie “Wild Boys of the Road” should be required viewing for all kids.

  238. Dtbb says:
    @Eric Novak

    My girlfriend’s trainwreck of a sister, rip, was diagnosed with brain damage from eating paint chips in 80’s Mass. One beautiful, crazy, white chick.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  239. @EliteCommInc.

    “I don’t buy that IQ is static, determined by skin color”

    It isn’t determined by skin colour. It just (mostly) seems to correlate with it, perhaps because the same forces (less sun/cold climate) that selected for paler skin (for vitamin D production) also selected for intelligence (the less intelligent died of cold/hunger).

    “I would even challenge that IQ is by definition important in education…more a matter of memorization “

    https://www.livescience.com/6519-simple-memory-test-predicts-intelligence.html

    “The key to intelligence may be the ability to juggle multiple thoughts or memories at one time.

    Researchers have found that a simple test of working memory capacity strongly predicts a person’s performance on a battery of intelligence tests that measure everything from abstract problem-solving to social intelligence.”

  240. @YetAnotherAnon

    So does Rachel feel Israeli attacks should implicate all Jews?

  241. Trevor H. says:
    @anon

    Nice try. The issue wasn’t 1970.

    True that, anonymous internet person! The issue is nation-wrecking things like the Vietnam War, Great Society, and Hart-Celler. All put in place by babies and toddlers!

  242. Trevor H. says:
    @Feryl

    Boomers were so Dionysian (60’s and 70’s).

    How well I recall! I was a particularly Dionysian two year old.

    People fall for the artificial divisions between generations at least as readily as they do the divisions between races, all the while ignoring the very real (and rapidly widening) divisions between rich and poor.

    Off in the distance I can just make out the sound of hands being rubbed together.

  243. ChrisZ says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m sorry this comment comes so late in the thread, because the iSteve forum would be a great place to discuss “Abolition of Man” and “That Hideous Strength” at length. But I can’t resist two observations.

    One of the most impressive features of “Abolition” is its brevity. You can read it in about an hour; and yet almost the entirety of our spiritual development as a culture over the past 50 years is laid out in its pages. I haven’t read it in this century, but its images and arguments, its turns of phrase (men without chests, etc.) stay vivid. In fact, they are more vivid and prescient today than ever before.

    Regarding “Strength”: it’s a gem with many facets, any one of which will illuminate something about our present travails. But one of its allusions–an image that Lewis casually tosses in and never develops further–always haunts me. It’s his reference to an alien race that inhabits the moon; they’re an elder race than man, farther along in history, and the end product of the policies that the diabolic forces of progressive reform wish to inflict on the inhabitants of earth. The result is a sterilized world of mindless drones, relegated to merely going through the motions of life. I try to remember the moon folk whenever I hear about the latest effort by our own “elite” class to dehumanize and homogenize mankind.

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  244. @Jack D

    “There would have simply been not enough white kids to fill them.”

    Immigration depressed—and still depresses—white birth rates.

    Absent mass immigration, there would turn out to be enough whites for a lot of things.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  245. tyrone says:
    @anonymous

    Wrong!……it’s the “greatest generation” old boy…the boomers hadn’t even scored any weed yet by ’65.

  246. tyrone says:
    @Forbes

    Oh no, he would always suffer by comparison .

  247. @peterike

    True enough. In fact, to the extent that there have been any movies in recent decades depicting blacks as lazy or criminal, such films have almost always been written & directed by blacks themselves: John Singleton (Boyz n the Hood), Mario Van Peebles (New Jack City), Albert & Allen Hughes (Menace II Society), etc.

    Of course, as the Black Nats like to point out, the executive producers are always Jewish!

  248. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Japan has depressed birth rates despite having little immigration. This is a worldwide phenomenon.

    It’s not just a question of birth rate – it’s a question of ecological niche. The niche filled by Stuy is “high IQ 1st generation American striver” – formerly filled by Jews, now by Asians. I don’t see any evidence that whites have the inclination to step up to that plate in NY and endure the living and work conditions that these Asian parents endure in order to give their kids opportunity. They are willing to sacrifice their life for their kids in a way that is unimaginable to Americans.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  249. @Jack D

    Spacious and resource rich America has always had higher birth rates than the smaller, crowded countries of Europe and Japan, at least it has when it is not being inundated by masses of foreigners.

    “I don’t see any evidence that whites have the inclination to step up to that plate in NY and endure the living and work conditions that these Asian parents endure”

    I do know some white parents who endure extreme hardship for their kids. But since they don’t combine it with welfare scamming, tax dodging and nepotism, it usually doesn’t work out as well for them.

    But even if they didn’t exist, it would still be irrelevant. Americans need not subject ourselves to enduring “the living and work conditions that these Asian[s]” do. We have the option not to. Let us simply exercise the option. The Japanese aren’t inviting Chinese and Koreans into their schools to compete with them. Nor are Chinese and Koreans inviting extra competitors into their schools. Why are we?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  250. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    I was referring in particular to Girls’ which has almost no white people left. The talented whites and Asians are always going to congregate at the top school (nowadays Masterman). (Academically talented blacks are virtually non-existent – see the NYC test results.) Once that bucket is full, they spill over to the #2 school and so on as you work your way down to the lower ranked places. The fewer talented (meaning white and Asian) kids you have, the sooner you run out of them and even your lower ranked so-called magnet schools become mediocrities. Before the Asians showed up in NY, the outer boro magnet schools were headed in that direction.

    I know someone who teaches at Palumbo. By the (low) standards of the Philadelphia school system is its better than the neighborhood schools but even by the standards of an ordinary general enrollment public school in the suburbs (e.g. Conestoga) let alone a true magnet school like Masterman it is pathetic. The kids are motivated and would LIKE to do well but they lack the “necessities” (IQ). Masterman is great but things go downhill very fast after that because there is just not that much talent available.

    • Replies: @Anon
  251. Jack D says:
    @Feryl

    Remember , “never trust anyone over 3o?” It is unbelievable to me that some of the rock bands of the ’60s are still out there touring with senior citizen rock musicians in their ‘7os. In the ’60s a rock band made up of grandpas would have been laughed off the stage.

    • Replies: @res
  252. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Because without them I don’t think there would be enough white people left to maintain and advance a technological society. I give you the example of Philadelphia – there are 1 or 2 public magnet schools left which are capable of turning out kids suitable for advanced degrees, but the lower ranked “magnet” schools are now filled with well meaning but not very bright minorities who will never invent anything. They would like to take up the reins but they just don’t have it in them.

    You do understand, I assume, that the admission by test schools of NYC NEVER had any white people to speak of if by white people you mean founding stock American Protestants? They were always filled with the children of immigrant strivers since day one.

    You may have noticed that Japan has kind of run out of steam technologically – they were once the kings of electronics in the transistor radio and color TV era but they are pretty much nowhere in cell phones and flat screens on the world market. Could the iPhone have existed if America had a restrictionist immigration policy (Steve Jobs would not have existed – immigrant father)? The space program? The Manhattan Project?

  253. snorlax says:
    @MBlanc46

    If you look at the number of births by year, there’s a huge increase in 1946, it stays elevated through 1964, then there’s a huge decrease in 1965. That’s why those are considered the bookends of the Baby Boomer generation, because they’re the bookends of the titular baby boom.

    You could instead group generations by important events that happened while they were minors but old enough to remember, but you need to add in-between “transitional” generations to make it work.

    Forgotten: WWI

    Transitional: their household’s (or neighbor’s if poor) first car

    Greatest: beginning of the Depression

    Transitional: household/neighbor’s first radio

    Silent: WWII

    Transitional: beginning of Cold War, household/neighbor’s first TV

    Boomer: JFK assassination

    Transitional: Vietnam, Watergate

    X: late Carter-age collapse, household’s first cable box / PC

    Transitional: fall of Communism, O.J. trial

    Millennial: household’s first cell phone / internet connection, 9/11

    Transitional: subprime crisis, household’s first smartphone

    Z: late Obama-age collapse

    • Replies: @Jack D
  254. res says:
    @Jack D

    Remember , “never trust anyone over 3o?”

    Definitely one of my favorite Boomerisms looking back from the Current Year.

    Boomers young: let’s lower the voting age to 18.
    Boomers old: let’s raise the voting age to 25.

  255. ChrisZ says:
    @ChrisZ

    To the Last Calvinist and anyone whose interest was piqued by my comment on C.S. Lewis’ novel, “That Hideous Strength”: I looked up the moon people I mentioned, and found the following remarkable passage. It was published in 1945; tell me it doesn’t refer to 2025:

    The Stranger mused for a few seconds; then, speaking in a slightly sing-song voice, as though he repeated an old lesson, he asked, in two Latin hexameters, the following question: “Who is called Sulva? What road does she walk? Why is the womb barren on one side? Where are the cold marriages?”

    Ransom replied, “Sulva is she whom mortals call the Moon. She walks in the lowest sphere. The rim of the world that was wasted goes through her. Half of her orb is turned towards us and shares our curse. Her other half looks to Deep Heaven; happy would he be who could cross that frontier and see the fields on her further side. On this side, the womb is barren and the marriages cold. There dwell an accursed people, full of pride and lust. There when a young man takes a maiden in marriage, they do not lie together, but each lies with a cunningly fashioned image of the other, made to move and to be warm by devilish arts, for real flesh will not please them, they are so dainty (delicati) in their dreams of lust. Their real children they fabricate by vile arts in a secret place.”

    “You have answered well,” said the Stranger. “I thought there were but three men in the world that knew this question…”

  256. My message for Tennessee Coast: it is impolite to ridicule a person’s name but I do make exceptions.

  257. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    Boomer: JFK assassination

    If we define Boomers as ’46 to ’64, that’s half right. For the LATE boomers (say ’56 to ’64) the JFK Assassination was a real defining event – they don’t remember the world as it existed before “the Sixties” when everything went to shit. But the early boomers had an idyllic Eisenhower era childhood (post Korean War) where the world was a pretty orderly place as a frame of reference.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  258. @res

    What explains the Mexican kids’ collapse in lead exposure in the mid-2000s, which is not all from lead paint chip consumption?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  259. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    That’s kinda what I was saying. The parent defined Boomers as people who were kids but old enough to remember when JFK was assassinated. I said that could be a reasonable way to define a generation, but by definition a generation of e.g. 19 years (1946-64 inclusive) will not all remember the same event from their childhood, so you need to add extra in-between generations to the ones in common usage.

  260. @Dtbb

    And what was the cause of death for the sister of your girlrfriend, if I may ask? The high amount of lead present in the blood of white children in the 1970s-80s may help to explain the high percentage of dysfunctional Gen X/late Boomer (Generation Jones) kids on drugs and in gangs at that time. This has been researched and reported on by Steve, but I can’t remember much about it.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Feryl
  261. snorlax says:
    @Eric Novak

    Mexico didn’t ban leaded gas until 1998 and new cars continued to be sold without catalytic converters (i.e. compatible with leaded gas) until then.

  262. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    This is the idea that each generation expects to do better economically than the last. Immigrants doing menial work aren’t resented because those jobs are no longer wanted by Americans, who have moved up the ladder economically and socially. Obviously the stability of this model depends on the existence of a limitless amount of wealth/opportunity, so there is constant upwards social mobility. What happens when that comes to an end?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  263. Dtbb says:
    @Eric Novak

    Drug OD. She was born in 81.

  264. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Because without them I don’t think there would be enough white people left to maintain and advance a technological society.

    This is absurd. East Asian immigration is unheard of in Europe, nor do they have any “strivers” except maybe non-gypsy E. Euros, yet white people remain capable of maintaining and advancing society.

    You do understand, I assume, that the admission by test schools of NYC NEVER had any white people to speak of if by white people you mean founding stock American Protestants?

    Way overegging the pudding. Wiki’s list of notable Stuy alumni is mostly Jews, but with a large minority of gentile whites (see below) and substantially more “founding stock” than “NEVER had any.” A large majority of the people listed within each ethnicity including Jews appear to have come from English-speaking middle-class households.

    (It can be hard to tell who is and isn’t Jewish; I’m including the ones I’m >90% confident are gentiles but I may have made some mistakes in either direction).

    “founding stock” / British:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Becker
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hutchings_(mathematician)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_M._Jolly
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lee_(mathematician)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lloyd_(guitarist)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Van_Lustbader

    German:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Banzhaf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_J._Grabe
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Immergut
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Juergensen
    https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/2018/07/102737954-05-01-acc.pdf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Mark
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ruff
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Schellenbach
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schoenherr
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Sonnenblick
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Streitwieser
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tietjen

    Irish:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cagney
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Dowd
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hussey
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Pitt
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Robbins

    Italian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gazzara
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serphin_R._Maltese
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Marchiano
    https://web.archive.org/web/20070804141610/http://view.fdu.edu/default.aspx?id=4696
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Valenti

    Polish:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Kolakowski
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Merlin

    Russian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Kisevalter

    Ruthenian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Karbacz

    Spanish:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Arratia

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Steve Sailer
  265. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    No, what I am talking about is the flip side of that coin. We have plenty of people to do menial work. Blacks used to do this kind of work before they were offered were offered better opportunities in the government/welfare sector and Okies and so on. We are never going to run out of stupid people.

    What I am talking about is people who are (a) in the 130+IQ range and (b) have not yet become decadent – it goes back to the John Adam things where he says that he son will study ship building so that his grandson can study poetry. The traditional source of supply in the US for this group for the past century plus has been bright and ambitious immigrants or sons of immigrants. They are like seeds that have not sprouted before because they have always been kept in desert conditions. You bring them to the US and water them and you get the student body of Stuy and Cal Tech, etc. It won’t work for their kids – their kids will go to private school and become Postmodern Literary Theory experts. You can only do this ONCE. There is NO comparable reserve of white talent waiting in the wings – if there are any Legacy American families with talent, that was spotted generations ago and now that well is tapped out – sonny is in India studying meditation or something using his trust fund money.

    Now this may operate differently in rural states, but if you are talking about the big urban centers of America, this is how it has been since forever.

  266. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    I would bet you that some of those Germans are Jewish. For example:

    Hans Mark was born in Mannheim, Germany. He lived in Vienna for a time before escaping the Nazi anschluss via Switzerland

    This doesn’t mean that he is Jewish for sure but it makes it pretty likely.

    Aside from the English and maybe Germans and Irish, most of the rest sound like Ellis Island immigrant types. If their parents spoke English at home, then their grandparents didn’t.

    I’m pretty sure Harvey Pitt is Jewish. I would bet $ it wasn’t Pitt back in the old country.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  267. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    You’re right – Mark is definitely Jewish; I think I switched that link with another guy whose parents fled the Nazis but I confirmed was a gentile. Pitt is probably Jewish too; he went to a Catholic university (St. John’s) for law school in the 60s, which for most Catholic universities would mean almost certainly gentile, but apparently it was a popular school for Jews back then.

  268. @Jack D

    “Could the iPhone have existed if America had a restrictionist immigration policy (Steve Jobs would not have existed – immigrant father)? The space program? The Manhattan Project?”

    As far as the the space program and Manhattan Project, we know for a fact that they could, because they did: they existed during America’s most recent period of immigration restriction. Yes, they allowed in a few foreign super-talents, which is what any country does irrespective of restrictionism, but most of the talent was home grown.

    As far as the iPhone, who cares? Jobs was a salesman, not an inventor. An able and perceptive salesman, but still just a salesman. The actual “brains” of the iPhone are made in immigrant-restrictionist Japan by Japanese based on refinements of the original integrated circuit breakthroughs from the 1940s.

    Which brings me to maintaining an advanced technological society. If this were really accomplished by mass immigration, we would expect the rate of technological innovation to accelerate in parallel with mass immigration since the 1970s. Instead, the opposite has happened. There have been no further fundamental breakthroughs since the era of mass immigration began. We are just carrying out refinements of the plethora of breakthroughs from the restrictionist era, all the while increasing the burden of social parasitism. In the 1950s, San Francisco was clean, pleasant and productive. Today it is covered in human feces and professional privacy pirates. This is the progress we need mass immigration to sustain?

  269. @snorlax

    New York City had a huge German gentile population around 1900 (e.g., Babe Ruth’s sidekick Lou Gehrig).

    “Gehrig was born in 1903 at 309 East 94th Street[13] in the Yorkville neighborhood of Manhattan;[14] he weighed almost 14 pounds (6.4 kg) at birth. He was the second of four children of German immigrants, Christina Foch (1881–1954) and Heinrich Gehrig (1867–1946).[15][16] His father was a sheet-metal worker by trade who was frequently unemployed due to alcoholism, and his mother, a maid, was the main breadwinner and disciplinarian in the family.[17] His two sisters died at an early age from whooping cough and measles; a brother also died in infancy.[18] From an early age, Gehrig helped his mother with work, doing tasks such as folding laundry and picking up supplies from the local stores.[19] Gehrig spoke German during his childhood.[20] In 1910, he lived with his parents at 2266 Amsterdam Avenue in Washington Heights.[21] In 1920, the family resided on 8th Avenue in Manhattan.[22] His name was often anglicized to Henry Louis Gehrig”

    What happened to them?

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  270. Jack D says:

    The actual “brains” of the iPhone are made in immigrant-restrictionist Japan by Japanese based on refinements of the original integrated circuit breakthroughs from the 1940s.

    No, they are made in Taiwan by TSMC, owned by Chinese-American immigrant Morris Chang.

    IC breakthroughs came mostly in the late ’50s – Kilby at TI and Noyce at Fairchild. Fairchild was founded by the “traitorous 8” – 8 scientists who could no longer stand working for Schockley (who was both brilliant and a nut case). Most of them were of either immigrants or 1st generation American, both Jewish and non-Jewish. Later some of them leave to start Intel, where Jewish Hungarian refugee Andy Grove was a key player.

    If you take immigrants and 1st generation offspring out of the picture, I don’t know whether we would have iPhones, PC, etc.

  271. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    NY had a distinct German community (Yorkville – around 86th St on the E. Side) much later than that. When I moved to NY in the late ’70s there were still vestiges of the German community (German restaurants, butchers, etc. ) Schaller & Weber (wurst) is still in business to this day.

    After WWII there was not much German immigration. The old people died and their kids just melted into Americanness – they became just plain Americans, not even hyphenated because being German was not cool.

  272. @ChrisZ

    Wow; it’s been a long time since I read That Hideous Strength, and I’d forgotten this.

    I can’t ever recall anyone mentioning Lewis predicting the advent of sex dolls, but he’s pretty much there in this passage.

    . . . for real flesh will not please them, they are so dainty in their dreams of lust.

    As is so often the case, Lewis shows that he understands human nature profoundly.

    THS is a strange book; it’s so ambitious that I think its vision and meanings sometimes outstrip its execution, if you know what I mean, but you’re absolutely right that it’s loaded with images and themes that haunt you with their deep truth. I must reread it soon. Thanks for posting this.

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  273. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It’s just odd to use Philly as an example of a city that has too few white people to support a school like Stuyvesant, when in fact Philly has a school like Stuyvesant which is plurality white (Masterman). You were arguing that an Asian majority is necessary for a good urban public school, and Philly actually is a counter example to that.

    I think Girls’ is more of a victim of girls’ schools going out of style than anything about race. For example in the Philly Catholic parochial system, Hallahan, the flagship girls’ school, has SAT scores a standard deviation lower than Roman, the flagship boys’ school. High achieving parents in Philly apparently don’t want to send their girls to single sex schools.

    I hear Palumbo is doing better lately, FYI. As the MacCall and Meredith catchments have gotten gentrified, there’s a critical mass of parents who would rather their kid go to Palumbo than ride the subway to Central. Just in the last three years its reputation has really changed.

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  274. ChrisZ says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I admit the passage surprised me, too. On reflection, perhaps the strangest thing about That Hideous Strength is that parts of it *couldn’t* be appreciated until now. When I first read the book, the passage about Sulva just seemed like a wild flight of imagination. Now it elicits the shock of recognition—and perhaps some misgiving that, after all, I’d been *warned,* and I still didn’t see it coming.

    Somehow Lewis, this very conventional and dignified man, dipped into the well of human nature and drew out the perversions of a future age. By the way, I googled another amazing quote from the book. “The question of what humanity is to be will be determined in the next sixty years,” Lewis writes. I haven’t found the context; but add 60 to 1945 (the date of publication) and you’ll see we might have already received an answer to Lewis’ conjecture.

  275. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Sure a city the size of NY was always going to have the kids to support one magnet school, but the outer boro ones were on the decline before the Asians showed up. DeWitt Clinton, right next door to Bronx Science, is a nightmare.

    Check out the test score and other stats for Palumbo. If it is on the upswing, it sure doesn’t show in the numbers yet.

  276. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    High achieving parents in Philly apparently don’t want to send their girls to single sex schools.

    Baldwin contradicts this – they are still in business and their SAT scores are just as good or better than the other private schools in the area. In NY Brearley rates very high.

    Girls’ schools in general are not dead. My diagnosis remains the same – Girls’ High faded because it went from being maybe the #2 magnet school choice for girls in Phila to being the #3 choice and the talent pool was not deep enough to keep all 3 filled with talent. Once it tipped, it plummeted even further below #3 – it’s a downward spiral. If your school is considered highly desirable, you will fill it with as many desirable kids as exist whether it is all boys, all girls or mixed. But the talent pool is limited.

    I don’t know the Catholic school scene well enough but I assume the same thing is going on there – the top girls must be going somewhere else so what is left for Hallahan is not top tier material. At 46% black & Hispanic it is right on the verge of “tipping” (where all whites will avoid it). There aren’t that many black Catholics so if your Catholic school is 1/3 black then you are running out of white people. Philly doesn’t have a huge Asian population – I’m sure if the Hallahan administration had the choice, they would love to be 35% Asian and 7% black instead of vice versa and then their SATs would be a whole lot better (they would probably love it even more if all their kids were Catholic but at this point they’ll take what they can get to keep the building full and the doors open).

  277. Feryl says:
    @res

    The Silent Generation was much smaller than the Boomers, but Silents had no problem at all accruing political and social power. Gen X has neither sought, nor been given, the political and social capital that GIs, Silents, and Boomers have had. According to Neil Howe, Gen X is literally the most politically powerless generation in this country’s history, if you define power as being an elected official. X-ers have been elected to office at a slower rate than any other generation in this country’s history.

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  278. Feryl says:
    @Eric Novak

    Crime was worse under Jimmy Carter, and George HW Bush, than it was under Reagan. Did Reagan magically diminish the lead levels in our kids’s blood? I’ve never bought the lead thing. If you read about historical and generational cycles, it’s obvious that there’s an extremely potent psycho-social component to human behavior. For example, 1981-1988 (the Reagan era) was very conservative and upbeat, as compared to the surroundings eras. This has nothing to do with lead levels. We went from the moody nihilism of Saturday Night Fever, 1977 (a big hit, BTW) to “Because we live here” in Red Dawn (1984). Abortion levels hit their all time high in the mid-late 70’s, then we had a teen pregnancy epidemic in the 80’s and early 90’s.

    The most dysfunctional cohort was born from about 1955-1967. What do they have in common? They went to junior high and/or high school in the late 60’s-late 70’s. This period was an utter disaster at properly socializing youngsters; I read a YouTube comment on a late 80’s dance club video, and the 1970’s born commenter said that it was mostly people born in the 50’s and 60’s who were the big cokeheads, from his experience (and he blamed it on the “disco culture” that generation grew up in). And of course it’s also the 50’s and 60’s born cohorts who are heavily promiscuous, homeless, and incarcerated. People born before 1950 and born after 1970 are doing quite a bit better.

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  279. @ChrisZ

    On reflection, perhaps the strangest thing about That Hideous Strength is that parts of it *couldn’t* be appreciated until now.

    . . .

    Somehow Lewis, this very conventional and dignified man, dipped into the well of human nature and drew out the perversions of a future age. By the way, I googled another amazing quote from the book. “The question of what humanity is to be will be determined in the next sixty years,” Lewis writes. I haven’t found the context; but add 60 to 1945 (the date of publication) and you’ll see we might have already received an answer to Lewis’ conjecture.

    It almost makes you suspect that the gift of prophecy is A Thing.

  280. res says:
    @Feryl

    The Silent Generation was much smaller than the Boomers, but Silents had no problem at all accruing political and social power.

    What matters is how large a generation is relative to the nearby generations (especially the immediately prior generation). Not the absolute size.

    What do you base “but Silents had no problem at all accruing political and social power” on? If Silents are defined as 1925-1945 then one of the notable generational factoids is that there were exactly 0 presidents from that generation: https://www.presidentsusa.net/birth.html
    Contrast with the Greatest Generation and the Boomers. I’m using generation years from https://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Generations.cfm

    This is a useful link for looking at the US age distribution from 1900 on: https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/055/

    Could you please give data supporting your electoral assertions? Debating opinions has little value.

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  281. @Feryl

    The Reagan era was indeed a dip in violent crime, in between the early ’70s and early ’90s peaks, but for those in big cities at the time, violence was still just around every corner. In mid-’80s Chicago, I was shot at for the first time and had the shit kicked out of me by gangbanging morons doing a sweep and clear in a schoolyard, at 16. These were the first of many encounters with violent knuckle-dragging degenerates continuing all the way until I finished college in 1992, when I could finally afford a car and ran out the clock on any possible social connection to them. By the way, 1967 cohorts graduated from HS in ’86. I was born in late 1968 and graduated in ’87. Cocaine use was epidemic for early Gen X. Bolivian Marching Powder was prevalent in every facet of my life at the time, from late in HS, to end of college in ’92, when it seemed as if the entire World supply had been vacuumed up and no one was using anymore. It was in use everywhere, at school, at work, and in social life. Addiction nightmares and defibrillators put an abrupt end to that ’80s craze. Sober friends at college were running kilos to other colleges, making six months of earning as a waitress in a single weekend of driving. The era seems bizzare, even in light of contemporary trends.

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  282. Feryl says:
    @Eric Novak

    Eric: do you know that drug use actually increased in the late 90’s? Overall drug use (as measured by teenagers using drugs) rose from the mid-60’s-1980, fell from 1981-early 90’s, then went up in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. It’s since plummeted, with the exception of pot use which is more common now than it was in the late 80’s and 90’s. There’s a theory that drug “crazes” happen every 15 or so years, then gradually peter out; LSD in the late 60’s (fading away by the mid-late 70’s), cocaine in the early 80’s (fading away in the late 80’s and early 90’s), and meth and “party drugs” in the late 90’s (fading away in the early-mid 2000’s). It could be that particular cohorts avoid drugs, so that the upcoming generation doesn’t understand their risks and starts to popularize them again. Silents didn’t do drugs, so early Boomers created pro-drug memes in the late 60’s. Later Gen X-ers didn’t do that many drugs, so early Millennials were pro-drug in the late 90’s.

    As measured by homelessness and early mortality, people born after 1967 are doing better than those born in the rest of the 60’s.

    “By the way, 1967 cohorts graduated from HS in ’86. I was born in late 1968 and graduated in ’87.”

    I know that. What I said above is that people born before 1968 went to junior high in the 70’s or earlier. Hitting adolescence in the 1970’s was very hazardous to one’s health and overall long-term prospects.

    Yes, there still was a lot of terrible things that happened in the 80’s. Be that as it may, society was warning people to not do drugs, not fall in with the wrong crowd, etc. by that point. Whereas in the late 60’s and 70’s, nobody under 30 appreciated the long term consequences of such self-indulgence. I was born in 1985, and the first cultural period I remember is the GHW Bush era, with the D.A.R.E. program, the war on drugs accelerating w/tanks busting into crack houses, and so forth. This was light years away from the flippant hedonism of the Carter era.

    The “grunge” era (Clinton’s election and first term) had a chilling effect on youth behavior, as we saw crime and drug use decline from 1993-1995. Pop culture was perhaps at it’s most unpleasant epoch, yet this belied the fact that people were getting better behaved.

    “Addiction nightmares and defibrillators put an abrupt end to that ’80s craze. ”

    Nobody seemed to care too much that the (often unclean) celebrities of the late 60’s and 70’s frequently died at too young an age due to self-indulgence (Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Bon
    Scott, John Bonham, Elvis, etc.). But it wasn’t the 80’s yet. Then Belushi partied himself into oblivion, which became part of the fuel for 80′ anti-drug culture. John Lennon dying was also, of course, a major cultural turning point (with the MPAA heavily censoring many early 80’s movies because they were nervous about violence being glorified, and Britian eventually flat out banning many horror movies in the mid-80’s), though Lennon of course didn’t kill himself due to stupid decisions.

  283. Feryl says:
    @res

    There are numerous articles/data sets available about the gerontocracy that’s developed since the late 90’s. Just look up something like “the greying of congress/the Senate”. Later born Boomers were slower to gain entry into higher level politics, and X-ers have been slower still.

    Silents rose through the ranks of institutions at a pretty fast clip, because GIs tended to retire early so that they could enjoy the generous benefits that they demanded from the private and public sector. It helped that GIs generally trusted Silents. But there weren’t that many Silents (I believe the only American generation to be smaller than both neighboring generations), which further allowed them to have career opportunities. Silents not being president is just a weird anomaly, and not really evidence that they lack power. Silents are the richest generation, after all.

    Gen X has had the reverse experience of Silents, in just about every way imaginable.

    Silent Childhood: material poverty, family stability
    Gen X Childhood: material affluence, family chaos

    Silent adolescence: Post-War paradise, Elvis and Chuck Berry
    Gen X adolescence: urban decay, heavy metal and rap

    Silent young adulthood: attaining nice middle class jobs and homes
    Gen X young adulthood: “over-qualified” and under-employed (temp jobs, part time jobs, no pensions, unions under attack), property values soaring in the late 80’s and especially 90’s

    Silent middle age: culturally respected and vocal
    Gen X middle age: culturally forgotten or blamed, aloof

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  284. res says:
    @Feryl

    There are numerous articles/data sets available about the gerontocracy that’s developed since the late 90’s.

    Great. If there are so many why don’t you just link one? Talking about a common piece of evidence is very helpful for focusing a discussion.

    Silents are the richest generation, after all.

    Is that true in any sense other than that they are the oldest generation currently? You really need to try to disentangle the generational effects from the stage of life effects.

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  285. Trevor H. says:
    @res

    Gotta love that you requested data in support of the endless slew of opinions and the response was “oh you can find the data if you look, and by the way here’s another slew of opinions.”

    • Agree: res
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