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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

1619: Founding Fallacies
by Steve Sailer

August 21, 2019

Last week, Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The New York Times, informed his staffers that due to the collapse of their conspiracy to overthrow the president by disseminating their Russian conspiracy theory, the Times was pivoting to Plan B: to dump Trump by promoting their racism conspiracy theory.

As reassurance that this latest intrigue would not fizzle as ignominiously as the Times’ previous machination, Baquet proudly pointed to their 1619 Project. This commemoration of the first blacks arriving in Virginia 400 years ago megalomaniacally “aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

How exactly retconning American history will get rid of Trump was left vague, but Baquet was confident that it was all part of the Times’ seamless plot.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. As usual, RT is far more pro-American (as well as far more accurate) than the NYT.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/466921-1619-nyt-racism-slavery-america/

    But that’s faint praise, isn’t it.

    • LOL: Bruno, Charon
  2. A masterful essay, Mr Sailer. By now you could seriously retire and already be one of the leading lights of our age, despite the fact (or even because of the fact) that the MSM pretends you don’t exist.

    Of all the peoples who have ever existed, it’s pretty much thanks to Anglo-American white people that slavery was eradicated from the globe.

    Only in NYT logic could 400 be a much larger number than 70,000.
    It’s all about perspective, isn’t it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  3. Dtbb says:

    Very interesting sum-up. We will see how much flak you get.

  4. El Dato says:

    It’s quite ironic that “patriarchy” is attacked by the jewokobrigade as something bad, nefarious & to-be-abolished by all means available — but that it might well be something that their golden fetish of the culturally excellent (if not superior) but racistically suppressed black society may well need in large doses (complete with heads on pikes) to thrive at all.

    The Norns of History are quite sardonic, so there are chances that the NYT tower will be burnt down by a Black Lives Matter mob when things get really dicey a few years in the future.

    Meanwhile, my comic book trip uncovers an early example of Weaponization of White Guilt: From Birds of the Master, 1973.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Jesse
  5. And of course, I heard someone say 1619 was the beginning of slavery in America. No one brings up the fact that those original Africans for the first few decades were indentured servants. Chattel slaves were a product of a former indentured servant of recent African descent, Anthony Johnson.
    And those racist bastards at NYT are going to neglect his important legacy.

    • Replies: @just sayin
  6. dearieme says:
    @HammerJack

    The RT piece includes “Thesis: the Founding Fathers … were slave-owning hypocrites” is simply the plain truth about many of them, isn’t it?

    Though to leap from that to “Black people have done more for American democracy than white people” is worthy of Goebbels and the Big Lie.

  7. dearieme says:

    Maybe people should refer to 1619 as the Year of the Big Mistake?

  8. Excellent – the last two paragraphs too, about the difference between the black performance in the USA and Barbados.

    Social psychologists of the world: Have a close look at this phenomenon I would herewith name The Barbadosian Steve-Sailer-Gap.

  9. @dearieme

    Though to leap from that to “Black people have done more for American democracy than white people” is worthy of Goebbels and the Big Lie.

    Just plain dumb. I’d say that is enough said already.

  10. I suppose it’s something to be hopeful about – Mr. Baquest is so arrogant that he doesn’t feel he even needs to mask his dishonest revisionism, as was the SOP for legacy media in the decades past. But then again seeing as he appears to be a mulatto, he might just be too dim to realize what he’s doing.

    Either way, them showing their hand like this speaks to hubris and stupidity, which is good for the normies to see.

  11. @dearieme

    Goebbels and the Big Lie

    Maybe even worthy of Roosevelt

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Reg Cæsar
  12. BTW, Ed Dutton’s devastating (and therefore banned on YouTube) takedown of Angela Saini is now up on Bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/GM6hKWxMe2ZR/

  13. @dearieme

    George Washington never sold a slave and in his will gave all he had their freedom, those who could not work were taken care of till death.

    less then 5% of salves in the North Atlantic slave trade came to the north American continent and yet America seems to get 100% of the scorn.

    You really don’t know anything about the world wide institution do you?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @just sayin
  14. Arclight says:

    I don’t want to give them the clicks, but I am guessing that black cultural dysfunction is just alludes to through mentions of the gaps in educational achievement, incarceration rates, and health outcomes. The gatekeepers if the racial narrative probably don’t want to explicitly discuss the yawning chasm in high risk personal behavior that exists, much less put a dollar figure on the cost to the treasury and local governments that results. That might be construed as blaming the victims or an acknowledgement that half a century of directed social welfare ‘investment’ and affirmative action – the only two arrows in the progressive quiver – have not produced much.

  15. eah says:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  16. notanon says:

    How exactly retconning American history will get rid of Trump was left vague, but Baquet was confident that it was all part of the Times’ seamless plot.

    1) making black people angry
    -> anti-white violence and white flight (ethnic cleansing)
    -> gradual shrinking of white political power as fewer majority white districts

    so not so much about getting rid of Trump as preventing another one.

    2) making white soccer moms feel guilty
    -> undermines one segment of Trump’s voters

  17. Tiny Duck says:

    Did any of you guys actually read the 1619 project?

    It is based on fact and the fact that it bothers so many right wing white males is proof of its truth

    This is the true history and what will be taught

    If you deny it you are a traitor

    Nikole Hannah Jones is a true patriot and wants America to live up to its promise

    People of Color are waking up and about to start fighting the great evil of white supremacy

    Even white females are fighting against white males

  18. MLK says:

    The cliche has it that All Politics Is Like High School. But, of late, I’ve found the reversion is earlier than that. Middle school or even younger.

    Elites and elite institutions like the New York Times are trapped in a seemingly inexorable process of discrediting. Just a children engage in distraction/deflection when caught misbehaving, Baquet confirms exactly for 1619 not just after the undeniable collapse of the Russia Hoax but right before the coming reckoning (exposure; indictments) for the criminal conspirators.

    In a way you have to feel sorry for the NYT. Reputation-wise, it would be kinda self-defeating for The Paper of Record to now claim it was less a willing and knowing participant in the malefactions, and more a snookered victim along with its readers.

    I don’t think it’s coincidental that 1619 is a bald attempt to diminish the actual founding and the Constitution. After all, the Times is saying why should you care about an attempt to overthrow the duly elected POTUS and/or arrogate his Article II Powers when it’s a pretender founding anyway.

    Talk about Conspiracy Theory!

    Maybe once the POTUS is proved prescient again about “the failing New York Times,” it will convert its operations into some sort of Woke alternate history/cult website.

  19. Corvinus says:

    A two-fer this time!

    Sailer’s rule of journalism in action–Always quickly follow up an initial post with another post to ensure the lede from the first post is further buried and to solidify a premise that will be used as Alt Right fodder.

    Sailer’s “Plausible Undeniability”–Incorporate “winks and nods” in the narrative for your audience to understand your alleged stone cold truth is in reality wild speculation.

    “As I’ve pointed out, The Narrative is pushed less by printing fake news or by completely censoring true news than by the power of the prestige press to pick out ideologically convenient items from the vast surfeit of events and declare them the news about which we are all supposed to have a “conversation”.”

    You mean the narrative you invent yourself, compliments of glossing over, at best, or outright ignoring, at worst, important findings of the day? Or is that your journalistic manner of choosing what stories to bring to your fans which are of keen interest to them to further your own version of truth?

    “For example, which is more important to today’s America: who came earlier, such as blacks, or who came more recently, such as Ellis Island immigrants?”

    Mr. Sailer, YOU are the one who wrote a long piece under the false premise there are competing “true foundings”, I had correctly pointed out in a previous post on this very subject that both exist simultaneously, that there is no competition for “bragging rights” as you imply, and that each one shares a common thread. I know it stung you, but I did not realize you needed soothing ointment in the form of a Taki’s post.

    “Unlike the mysterious workings of the “consequences of slavery,” for which all we have at present are hand-waving rationalizations…”

    Odd way of using the phrase “hand-waving rationalizations” rather than employing the proper term “historically relevant facts”.

    “at least we possess a scientific theory for how the past 70,000 years of life in Africa would be imprinted upon the genes of African-Americans: Darwinian selection.”

    MAY or COULD, not would. Moreover, you seemingly UNNOTICE the role and environmental impact of colonial and imperialistic rule. From 5:08 to 6:21.

    https://intercontinentalcry.org/crisis-in-the-congo-uncovering-the-truth

    Besides, I thought Jews like Dr. Reich cannot be trusted despite his bona fides. At least that is narrative found among the fine posters here.

    Dr. Reich does “deal commendably with the abuses that have been made of stories of origins and recognizes that some ideologues will want to exploit and contest his findings, too. It’s intriguing to know that most people of European descent have close genetic and linguistic ties with near eastern and north Indian peoples, but what is the global picture and what are the implications of these new findings?”

    Dr. Reich also “explicitly acknowledges that race is a social construct, going to great pains to distance himself from racism, and to point out that traditional ideas of race are contradicted by genomic data (including his own work). For instance, he notes that the ways different people and societies think about race are inconsistent: In the United States, historically, a person is “black” if he has any sub-Saharan African ancestry; in Brazil, a person is not “black” if he is known to have any European ancestry. If “black” refers to different people in different contexts, how can there be any genetic basis to it?”

    I suppose it is the Jewish deceit in him not to recognize race realism when it hits him squarely in the punim, eh?

    “For example, Melbourne, Australia, of all places, now has a black crime problem.”

    Hate facts.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/fact-check-sudanese-gangs-victoria/10187550

  20. forgive the lengthy quote from online oxford his story website…

    “The history of American slavery began long before the first Africans arrived at Jamestown in 1619. Evidence from archaeology and oral tradition indicates that for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years prior, Native Americans had developed their own forms of bondage. This fact should not be surprising, for most societies throughout history have practiced slavery. In her cross-cultural and historical research on comparative captivity, Catherine Cameron found that bondspeople composed 10 percent to 70 percent of the population of most societies, lending credence to Seymour Drescher’s assertion that “freedom, not slavery, was the peculiar institution.” If slavery is ubiquitous, however, it is also highly variable. Indigenous American slavery, rooted in warfare and diplomacy, was flexible, often offering its victims escape through adoption or intermarriage, and it was divorced from racial ideology, deeming all foreigners—men, women, and children, of whatever color or nation—potential slaves. Thus, Europeans did not introduce slavery to North America. Rather, colonialism brought distinct and evolving notions of bondage into contact with one another.”

    • Replies: @Cortes
  21. Walsh2 says:

    “(As everybody knows, what it’s really about is money)” – well, that and power. And one question to the purveyors of the “1619” narrative hammers that home.

    The question: What are you doing to help eradicate or bring attention to modern day slavery?

    Slavery still exists and it’s not writing op-eds for the NYT then heading to a cocktail party or answering questions at a post game press conference about kneeling and heading to the bar in a Bentley. It’s chained to a freaking bed having a train run on it or building soccer stadiums in 120 degree Qatari heat.

    The answer: They’re doing shit all about modern slavery.

    Blacks in America, especially elite blacks in the West and America , are in a unique position compared to blacks globally and could have a huge impact on eradicating or at the very least bringing attention to the horrors of modern slavery. They aren’t. Why, see point one – because it’s not about slavery, it’s about money and power.

    To further illustrate this point – if white slavery was legalized tomorrow, would the folks pushing the “1619” narrative be abolitionists or slave holders? I think we all know the answer. Hell, if white slavery was legalized tomorrow most of these folks would be camped out in line at the auction house tonight.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  22. countenance says: • Website

    I’ll go your cynicism one step more cynical:

    1619 Project = 2020 GOTBV (Get Out The Black Vote)

  23. @Corvinus

    Learn how to use the BLOCKQUOTE tag you cretin.

  24. notanon says:

    Dr. Reich also “explicitly acknowledges that race is a social construct, going to great pains to distance himself from racism, and to point out that traditional ideas of race are contradicted by genomic data (including his own work). For instance, he notes that the ways different people and societies think about race are inconsistent:

    1) the precise boundaries of race may be a social construct but DNA proves the existence of race – the color yellow doesn’t disprove red and green, debating the precise boundary between tall and short doesn’t mean tall and short don’t exist.

    2) “traditional ideas” of race were that racial traits were fixed and unchangeable – if a population was dumb it would always be dumb and there was nothing you could do about it – whereas now we know (cos genetics) that racial and ethnic traits are extremely plastic over generations and can be dramatically changed.

    it must be annoying for people from populations who are below average in some important trait – especially if they themselves are above average – but the *only* way the situation can be improved is by accepting reality and engaging in some form of selective breeding program for n generations.

  25. njguy73 says:

    The recent thriving of imported black elites with little direct connection to American blacks, such as Obama (who grew up sequestered from African-American culture in the distant Pacific) and his attorney general Eric Holder (who was raised in a West Indian bourgeois bubble in New York), suggests that black nature and American nurture might interact in ways detrimental to the growth of responsible self-control.

    And a certain senator born to a Jamaican father and a sub-continental Indian mother, a senator touted as the next president.

    If the Democrats had any brains, they’d be pushing her as their candidate. “The female Obama without Michelle’s smugness.” But no, they got 20 people battling to see who can be the fringiest.

  26. As reassurance that this latest intrigue would not fizzle as ignominiously as the Times’ previous machination, …

    Sorry, I haven’t read past here, Steve, but already had to make a comment on this. Maybe you could say the “Russians are coming!” thing has fizzled, but it sure served it’s purpose, or just short of it, if impeachment’s the purpose. Maybe it would have happened anyway from this President who can’t seem to concentrate for 10 minutes and make a GD strategy, but this thing has distracted President Trump from enacting 5% of Candidate Trump’s agenda for > 2 years now. I’d call that a successful piece of journolism intrigue, myself.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @Charon
  27. @countenance

    That’s very possibly one of the goals, but I think things are beyond that now, Countenance. These people are pretty sure they are at the stage of Cultural Revolution that Mao’s China was at in 1968. They want to revise American history right now, and this is part of it.

  28. rienzi says:

    The NYT has hilariously mestasized into Wile E. Coyote with their never-ending lunatic schemes from Acme Corp., of getting rid of Roadrunner Trump.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  29. peterike says:
    @Corvinus

    I haven’t read your posts in a bit, but for some reason I decided to read this one.

    I see your status as Supreme Dunce among the commentariat here remains unchallenged. I especially like the smarmy, self-congratulatory way you spew your biggest howlers. You use the same techniques found in the prestige press: forceful assertion of “truth” that is nothing but a pile of disingenuous lies. Hell, maybe you’re actually someone who writes for Vox or New York Magazine or Rolling Stone, or any of a thousand other publications that regurgitate The Narrative through the “voices” of emotionally damaged ignoramuses.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  30. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, Steve, Australia *did* and *does* have its very own ‘legacy’ blacks. The Aboriginal population was termed, from the earliest days of British settlement, as ‘blacks’ or ‘blackfellows’.

    Of course, they are not quite the same as the USA’s sub Saharan origin population, and neither are their own peculiar social pathologies quite the same.

  31. @dearieme

    Samuel Johnson: “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

    • Replies: @syonredux
  32. MLK says:

    I take it this is the middle school social studies class jibber jabber that you think “stung” our boy:

    Interwoven here is how enslaved Africans and newcomers to our land both shared a fierce independence to keep alive their past heritages, as well as a resignation to succumb to the forces of assimilation and accommodation by way of their shared values–self-direction, self-reliance, and self-expression. In a way, the African and European immigrant experiences collided–both experienced hardship and disdain from the native population, yet overcame those privations to forge something that was the envy of the civilized world. Their separate stories is interwoven into the fabric of our American ethos.

    You’re going to have to do a whole lot better than that.

  33. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme

    ‘1619’ – the year of ‘soixante-neuf interruptus’ – judging from the ancient oriental art of symbolic pictogram gazing divination.
    Which in view of the longterm consequences of this particular sterile and deviant act, just about says it all.

  34. White Core America should welcome the change from the annoying Russia — Russia — Russia crud to the new anti-White movie that the Democrat Party and the New York Times are producing — 1619: Black Slave Race Rising.

    The Virginia Company in 1607 is the start of continuous settlement and colonizing of the English White Race in colonial America. North Carolina had a settlement or something or other previously but it went away somehow.

    The Massachusetts Colony 1620 interlopers were English Puritans intent on horning in on the business opportunities provided by the Virginia Company. When the English Puritans arrogantly and primly sauntered down the gangplank of the Mayflower with a gin and tonic in one hand and a shrimp salad sandwich in the other, they were latecomers to a business venture started by the Virginia Company.

    I presume that the Gilpin Gang — led by actress Betty Gilpin and her blood relation Drew Gilpin Faust — have some Virginia Company ancestry going back to the 1600s. Sneaky scoundrel Drew Gilpin Faust took advantage of a truth told by a baby boomer Banker Jew named Larry Summers about the fact that there are strong biological and genetic differences between men and women to grab herself the presidency of Harvard. That is a sneaky kind of move that a Quaker would pull — does the Gilpin Gang have Virginia Quaker ancestry? Don’t trust those Virginia Company Quakers, especially ones named Prewitt or Pruitt or Prewett or a hundred other spellings.

    I guess some sub-Saharan Black Africans were brought in in 1619, but large numbers of them didn’t start being used as African Slave Race Cheap Labor for fifty or more years past 1619.

    1619 and the importation of the Black Slave Race is about CHEAP LABOR and MONEY-GRUBBING.

    Globalization and financialization and transnationalism and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration are all about CHEAP LABOR and MONEY-GRUBBING.

    Thank you New York Times and the Democrat Party for talking about VIRGINIA and the VIRGINIA COMPANY!

    Nathan Philbrick, the partisan hack writer promoter for all things Massachusetts Colony, will be boiling with envy at all the Virginia Company talk with this anti-White 1619 crap the ruling class is propagandizing about.

  35. bomag says:
    @dearieme

    the Founding Fathers … were slave-owning hypocrites

    Seems a bit unfair. It’s not like they woke up one day and decided to start the institution.

    I haven’t checked, but I imagine not all the signers of the Declaration owned slaves.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @syonredux
  36. @countenance

    No. The goal is the complete deconstruction of the founding mythos as irredeemably racist, thus justifying the nation’s deconstruction and redistribution to non-whites.

    Prepare yourself; this will all be over sooner than you think.

  37. Mr. Anon says:

    …………..and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we (“We”) tell ourselves about who we (You!) are.

  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Did anybody read Corvinus’ post? I didn’t.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @syonredux
    , @Forbes
    , @eah
  39. Mr. Anon says:
    @dearieme

    Maybe people should refer to 1619 as the Year of the Big Mistake?

    I like to think of it as a case of “slavery gone wrong”.

    • LOL: Kylie
  40. MEH 0910 says:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/22080/

    Yet, all over the world, sub-Saharan African communities tend to share somewhat similar characteristics. For example, Melbourne, Australia, of all places, now has a black crime problem.

    In the past, you could say that one of the things that makes America unique, that makes America different even from its cultural cousin Australia, is that the latter didn’t have blacks.

    But now Australia does have blacks. And somehow the Aussies have also gotten themselves the “consequences of slavery.”

    Down Under’s new troubles with black gangs must be the fault of white Americans 400 years ago. It can’t be due to conditions in Africa over the past 70,000 years. That’s unthinkable.

    OT(?):
    The University of Sydney:

    Killer bees test a double win for Australian honeybees
    21 April 2015

    A genetic test that can prevent the entry of ‘killer’ bees into Australia and worldwide spread has been created by researchers at the University of Sydney and their collaborators at York University in Canada.

    The news is of critical importance to Australia, which produces an estimated $4 to $6 billion of farm and garden crops that rely on honeybee pollination.

    Australia faces the paradoxical problem of needing to import bees resistant to a pest that threatens to devastate Australia’s bee population but being unable to do so while the risk of introducing ‘killer’ bees still exists.

    “Having a tool that can identify desirable and undesirable bee subspecies will be of value to breeding and conservation programs throughout the world,” said Dr Nadine Chapman from the School of Biological Sciences at the University of Sydney.

    ******
    The looming threat to Australian honeybees comes from the Varroa mite, present in all bee-keeping countries except Australia. It devastates colonies by sucking bees’ blood and spreading blood-borne diseases.

    School of Biological Sciences’ researchers, working with the United States Department of Agriculture, have previously found that no Australian honeybees have resistance to the mite and it could destroy bee stocks within a couple of years.

    “The answer is to import Varroa-resistant bee semen and queen bees so we can breed resistance into our bee stocks as a form of ‘inoculation’ that could protect our bees,” said Dr Chapman.

    “Until now this option has been restricted because Australian beekeepers are only able to import bees from the small number of countries that are free of ‘killer bees’, which originated in Africa.

    “As the name implies, killer bees, (as Africanised bees are commonly called), are highly aggressive and are considered unacceptable for beekeeping. It is assumed that they would replace our current honeybee populations in the key beekeeping regions.”

    Dr Chapman worked with Professor Ben Oldroyd from the School of Biological Sciences and with researchers at York University in Canada, the US Department of Agriculture and the Agricultural Research Council in South Africa.

    The researchers developed a test that identifies how much of three main ancestral lineages – Eastern European, Western European and African – are present. To lower the risk of killer bees coming to Australia, those with high African ancestry will be denied entry.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  41. Alfa158 says:
    @Corvinus

    You’ve missed your calling. You should be working at the NYT yourself. You have the required talents for obfuscation, selective quotes, straw man arguments, and taking a opponent’s assertion, inverting it, then attacking the inverted assertion.
    Once you get there, here’s a story suggestion you can pick up from the example of that ABC link. Print the statistics on what percentage of crimes in the US are committed by people actually born in Africa. Then conclude that proves false the FBI statistic that Black people commit crimes at seven times the rate of White people.

  42. Hmm. Maybe the black problem in Melbourne is a consequence of “Urbanist Dirt.”

    Melbourne is mass-transit heaven: heavy commuter rail, light rail, buses — and bike lanes
    up the ying-yang

    Maybe there is something about wall-to-wall non-personal transportation that messes with peoples’ brains.

  43. Rebunga says:

    Regarding the newcomer issue, it might be good to put things in perspective:

    2019 Immigrant apprehensions @ southern border (Jan-Jul): 760,370

    vs.

    Total Number of slaves brought to US – (1619-1866): 472,381

    Summary: One year of Central American Immigration > 250 years of slave imports.

    Fast forward 400 years and solve for equilibrium . . . .

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Vinteuil
  44. Could it be that one factor that contributes to the disappointing lack of contributions of black Americans outside of entertainment and sports is less a past shortage of freedom and more a current American abundance?

    Yes, and an elegant solution would be to pay them to be transported to China in all those leftover shipping containers we’ve heard about. Once there, Blacks would receive the kind of guidance they need, and the Chinese would get their containers back — along with some badly-needed entertainment and sports talent. It’s a win-win solution. Trump should take it up with his friend Xi, as soon as the Greenland Purchase is completed.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  45. @countenance

    I’ll go your cynicism one step more cynical:

    1619 Project = 2020 GOTBV (Get Out The Black Vote)

    It’s really more a cover operation for the new woke Democratic party in which major Presidential candidates have announced support for slavery reparations and a slew of other left wing nonsense.

    I think it’s also part of a greater project of destroying the nation’s founding myths in order to supplant them with a new founding myth more amenable to the multicultural bazaar that the elites are creating, and one which admits of wholesale breaks with the values expressed in the Constitution including speech, religion, guns, property, etc. This project explicitly states as much – the real founding of the United States was the arrival of the first African slave for reasons that aren’t made entirely clear.

  46. @Buzz Mohawk

    Excellent idea, Buzz. It’s a win/win/win. Years ago I remember seeing those 40 ft containers selling for about $1,600 out at the docks on the west coast. We export bulk cargo across the Pacific, but not much that goes in containers, so they pile up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. For example, perhaps the American emphasis on liberty tends to work poorly for people of sub-Saharan descent?

    Wasn’t it Michael Levin who suggested that black American behavior wasn’t pathological at all, but precisely what you’d expect from Africans let loose in Western societies?

  48. J1234 says:

    1619 Project

    I heard about this last night on America First. It’s like huge swaths of academic America and the media are caught in a perpetually infantile state. They trot out absurd ideas the way a first grader would trot out an idea for an escalator to the moon and expect an A+ for originality. “Oh, how nice!” the priestly class of the radical left says. “Did you think of that yourself?

  49. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The separation between sub-saharan Africans and rest of humanity is longer than 70,000 yrs.

    It was Out of North Africa, and those people who left had already evolved away from Sub-Saharan blacks.

    The genetic distance between non-blacks and sub-saharan blacks is probably more than 100,000 yrs.

    As for blacks coming to America, are we now supposed to celebrate what we must condemn? Was slave trade, bad as it was, good because it brought over blacks and made America ‘America’? Apparently, there wouldn’t have been no America if whites had decided against importing blacks. LOL.

    By the way, since US took in so many refugees from Wars for Israel, maybe the real founding of America is Muslim arrival.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Corn
  50. @Reg Cæsar

    Wasn’t it Michael Levin who suggested that black American behavior wasn’t pathological at all, but precisely what you’d expect from Africans let loose in Western societies?

    I’ve theorized that a large part of the problem is probably related to moving blacks in the United States from the rural South to the urban North.

    Blacks had their own cultures, folkways and superstitions rooted in a history of performing agricultural labor which of course included the period of chattel slavery but which persisted after. Abruptly breaking from those traditions and stuffing blacks into dense urban areas with more confounding laws, mores and conventions was in retrospect an act of great cruelty. I don’t know that crime statistics were accurately kept during the period predating the Great Migration but I’d wager that crimes committed by blacks in the rural South were probably significantly fewer per capita than they are in our current predicament.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @William Badwhite
  51. @dearieme

    ‘The RT piece includes “Thesis: the Founding Fathers … were slave-owning hypocrites” is simply the plain truth about many of them, isn’t it?’

    Isn’t anybody who aspires to make a better world vulnerable to charges of hypocrisy?

    I mean, we may or may not wish to make improvements, but meanwhile, we have to live in the world as it is — and the folly of simply making massive changes by fiat has been demonstrated too often to take any demands that we make that mistake yet again seriously.

    So we all have to keep trudging to that outhouse in the yard — even as we work to bring piped water into the house, install a septic tank, and someday, finally, put in that flush toilet. Does that make us hypocrites?

    Jefferson, for example, was a slaveowner, etc — but he wanted an egalitarian republic of yeoman farmers, and he actually worked to make it happen.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Dtbb
  52. Neoconned says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7379435/PICTURED-Maryland-Trump-loving-Hitler-fanatic-allegedly-threatened-kill-millions-Hispanics.html

    I dont get it….an Asian Trump lover who hates Hispanics but wants a latina bdsm partner?

    These “Trump supporters ” the media pushes seem more like generic mental cases….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Colin Wright
  53. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Just expect 14 more months of this to motivate black voters…

  54. istevefan says:

    Many are familiar with the Orwell passage about those who control the past control the future. And those who control the present control the past.

    Well we are watching this play out in front of eyes. The amount of fussing over the past, reinterpreting and revising is amazing to behold. But keep in mind at the end of the day it is all about the push to control our future.

    We need pushback on this for sure. But outside of Steve, I wonder how many prominent figures are willing to be labeled as racist if they question the newly ascertained contributions of black America.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  55. The middle part of this one is brutally, ruthlessly good.

    • Replies: @Charon
  56. eD says:
    @dearieme

    “The RT piece includes “Thesis: the Founding Fathers … were slave-owning hypocrites” is simply the plain truth about many of them, isn’t it? ”

    Were they hypocrites? I had the impression they were pretty proud about owing slaves.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  57. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    By the way, since US took in so many refugees from Wars for Israel, maybe the real founding of America is Muslim arrival.

    This is a lie. Most Muslims in the US (and there aren’t that many to begin with, compared to Latinos or Asians – the real source of immigration) are not refugees and are from places that have nothing whatsoever to do with Israel:

    Israel is not the cause of your dandruff or body odor either.

  58. syonredux says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Samuel Johnson: “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

    Possible the stupidest thing that Johnson ever said. After all, he knew that the loudest yelps came from the region (New England) with the fewest slaves, whereas slave-filled places like Jamaica and Barbados were rather quiet on the subject…

  59. Winston says:

    Very good piece, but a few nitpicks:

    1) there is no real conflict between venerating black slaves and Ellis Island immigrants; they both count toward diminishing America’s history, traditions and (white, Anglo) founding

    2) both Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have recently made campaign promises re: American Indians

    3) there is also no real conflict between the (small number of) Jewish Confederates and the (large number of) Jewish liberals and Leftists today. I imagine the latter simply tell themselves that they have more than made up for that history with their liberal/Leftist activism…and if not…well, that’s just extra motivation to do more

    4) while I agree that post-60’s American “disordered liberty” has had a deleterious effect on blacks, I would point out that authoritarian black regimes like military-ruled Nigeria, Mengistu’s Ethiopia, Amin’s Uganda, Mobutu’s Zaire and Mugabe’s Zimbabwe have been disasters as well. OTOH, the best-performing black countries like Barbados, the Bahamas and Botswana have managed to soldier on with their relatively-free white colonial institutions (or maybe it has something to do with starting with the letter “B”?). In any case, it seems that Western European institutions have more to do with the “secret sauce” of success than freedom vs authoritarianism

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  60. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    In the 1619 series, the NY Times quoted from a 19th century “racist” children’s textbook that said something to the effect that Africans are wild and savage in Africa but in America they were “docile and religious”. One of the reasons why Europeans turned to black slavery is that they couldn’t get Indians to work or live under conditions of slavery.

    I think blacks do best when they are in a structured environment such as the military, where there are clear rules and harsh punishments for breaking them. They are still not going to perform to white standards but they are going to do better than when they are allowed to run free without proper supervision.

  61. @Charles Pewitt

    Well, I had ancestors in both Virginia and Plymouth. My Mayflower ancestors were part of a group that had about a 50% death rate in the first winter. It was only because Squanto foolishly felt sympathy for the Plymouth colony that my ancestors survived. Good for them, good for me, not so good for the local Indian tribes. There was a great deal of intellectual firepower amongst the Pilgrims and Puritans, but their life was very, very tough.

    My Virginia ancestors came in 1617. Apparently between 1617-1620 the Virginia Company brought in a ton more colonists, now that the colony was finally operational. My first white ancestors to the New World were in the beginning of that batch.

    My first white ancestor born in the New World was born in Virginia in 1619. Happy 400th birthday! I know absolutely nothing about this ancestor, even the gender.

    Being a mostly white member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, and the proud descendant of a Cherokee who fought under Andrew Jackson with the rank of Major(*), I should add that I had some ancestors in the New World a little earlier than 1619. Incidentally, the Major’s grandmother, Nancy Ward, is believed to be the first Cherokee to own an African slave, which she captured while leading a war party that defeated the Creeks during the French and Indian War. She is also the ONLY Cherokee woman in pre-modern times to ever lead a war party.

    The idea that American History starts in 1619 is rather absurd.

    1619 was not even the year slavery started in the New World. Slavery existed in various forms in pre-Columbian times. The first white slave owner in the New World was none other than Christopher Columbus.

    Africans were brought over as slaves, first by the Spanish, because Indian slaves kept dying off.

    The Africans brought over in 1619 were indentured servants, not slaves. Others have brought up when Negro Slavery actually started in the British colonies. It was later than 1619.

    No, 1619 is when the first Africans were brought to a British colony, as indentured servants. The date should be remembered.

    (*) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walker-10677

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  62. @syonredux

    …Said Samuel Johnson with great smugness, as he stuffed his pie-hole with mutton stolen from the tables of Irishmen.

  63. Jack D says:
    @bomag

    The “hypocrisy” is that they kept yapping about “Liberty” but they themselves (at least the Southerners) kept men enslaved. Liberty for me but not for thee.

    They were not idiots and they understood the contradiction, but they were sort of trapped in that slaves were their most valuable asset. It’s one thing to be against something in principle and another when it hits you personally in the pocketbook. Most Prohibitionists did not own distilleries. Talk is cheap.

    They also understood that you couldn’t just free the slaves because they were not prepared to live as citizens alongside whites and it appeared to them there would always be a gap between black and white intelligence, propensity for violence, etc. Now we know that was just racism and the gap is going to disappear any day now.

    Most believed that the proper solution was to send the freed slaves back to Africa because keeping them here would be a permanent headache but they never got very far with this. Liberia was the result but not that many ever went there. And now we know how wrong they were about blacks being a permanent headache – blacks have brought America nothing but joy.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  64. syonredux says:
    @eD

    “The RT piece includes “Thesis: the Founding Fathers … were slave-owning hypocrites” is simply the plain truth about many of them, isn’t it? ”

    Were they hypocrites? I had the impression they were pretty proud about owing slaves.

    Jefferson and Washington weren’t:

    What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment, be deaf to all those motives whose powers supported him through his trial, and inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose.

    Letter , 24 January 1786, Thomas Jefferson

    There must doubtless be an unhappy influence on the manners of our people produced by the existence of slavery among us. The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it; for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him. From his cradle to his grave he is learning to do what he sees others do. If a parent could find no motive either in his philanthropy or his self-love, for restraining the intemperance of passion towards his slave, it should always be a sufficient one that his child is present. But generally it is not sufficient. The parent storms, the child looks on, catches the lineaments of wrath, puts on the same airs in the circle of smaller slaves, gives a loose to his worst of passions, and thus nursed, educated, and daily exercised in tyranny, cannot but be stamped by it with odious peculiarities. The man must be a prodigy who can retain his manners and morals undepraved by such circumstances. And with what execration should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other, transforms those into despots, and these into enemies, destroys the morals of the one part, and the amor patriae of the other.

    Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia

    In a warm climate, no man will labour for himself who can make another labour for him. This is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labour. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference!

    Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia

    Your favour of July 31, was duly received, and was read with peculiar pleasure. The sentiments breathed through the whole do honor to both the head and heart of the writer. Mine on the subject of slavery of negroes have long since been in possession of the public, and time has only served to give them stronger root. The love of justice and the love of country plead equally the cause of these people, and it is a moral reproach to us that they should have pleaded it so long in vain, and should have produced not a single effort, nay I fear not much serious willingness to relieve them & ourselves from our present condition of moral & political reprobation.

    Jefferson, Letter, 1814

    I never mean (unless some particular circumstance should compel me to it) to possess another slave by purchase: it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted by the legislature by which slavery in the Country may be abolished by slow, sure, & imperceptible degrees.

    Washington, Letter, 1786

    There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for this abolition of it [slavery] but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, & that is by Legislative authority.

    Washington, Letter, 1786

    And Washington freed his slaves in his will:

    In July 1799, five months before his death, Washington wrote his will, in which he stipulated that his slaves should be freed.

    Washington’s slaves were the subjects of the longest provisions in the twenty-nine-page will, taking three pages in which his instructions were more forceful than in the rest of the document. His valet, William Lee, was freed immediately and his remaining 123 slaves were to be emancipated on the death of Martha.[233][234] The deferral was intended to postpone the pain of separation that would occur when his slaves were freed but their spouses among the dower slaves remained in bondage, a situation which affected twenty couples and their children. It is possible Washington hoped Martha and her heirs who would inherit the dower slaves would solve this problem by following his example and emancipating them.[235][236][237] Those too old or infirm to work were to be supported by his estate, as mandated by state law. Washington went beyond the legal requirement to support and maintain younger slaves until adulthood, stipulating that those children whose education could not be undertaken by parents were to be taught reading, writing and a useful trade by their masters and then be freed at the age of twenty-five.[238] Including the Dandridge slaves, which were emancipated under similar terms, more than 160 slaves were freed.[177][178] Washington was particularly pointed in forbidding the sale or transportation of any of his slaves out of Virginia before their emancipation.[234]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_slavery#Evolution_of_Washington’s_attitudes

  65. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    The NYT’s 1619 series is an attempt to ramp up on identity politics for 2020, while simultaneously insulating the three most electable, white Dem candidates from being labeled as racists.

    If the Left talks about racism in the vague historical sense, there can be unified, Woke head-nodding about the irredeemability of core white culture. It allows them to shift blame for the last 50 years of neoliberal policy and Jewish mass media that have been disastrous for blacks. But if you start calling people racist and focus on specific actions, it becomes unpredictable — like how Kamala nearly derailed Biden.

  66. A cynic might observe that the purpose of The New York Times venting endlessly about 400 years ago is because Times subscribers have controlled racial policy for the past 55 years.

    Yet for about the past 45 years, African-Americans haven’t made much relative progress.

    Unlike the 55 years before that.

  67. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Did anybody read Corvinus’ post? I didn’t.

    I did; I felt like having a chuckle.

  68. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Apparently, in today’s England it’s all the rage to convert surplus shipping containers into ‘council housing’ – notably for so-called ‘asylum seekers’ who ‘automatically qualify’ for state housing on arrival.
    Today the BBC was fuming about it. The containers – converted into rather nifty little fully plumbed, fully furnished modular ‘micro units’ by some talented architects, and given gratis by British taxpayers, simply aren’t good enough. Only bricks and mortar will do.

  69. Wilkey says:

    For many on the Left the pre-1776 history (increasingly the pre-1861 or even pre-1883 history) of America does not even exist unless they can drag slavery into the discussion. Talking about America as having existed before 1883, when it was an overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon project, is just too much for some people to bear, unless they can present the Founding Fathers as dancing and rapping negroes and Latinos.

    The fact is that America prior to 1880s immigration was about a lot more than slavery or fighting Indians, and took a lot of work (overwhelmingly done by white Anglo-Saxon men and women) to build.

  70. @El Dato

    Silver and Bronze age comic book creators/writers were mostly New Left acolytes. That’s why Marvel characters and stories meld so well with present day Hollywood. Though Woke Showbiz really amped up all the identity angles.

  71. Vinteuil says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    the “Russians are coming!” thing has fizzled, but it sure served it’s purpose…this thing has distracted President Trump from enacting 5% of Candidate Trump’s agenda for > 2 years now.

    Yes. Not only did it distract Trump, but it drove a wedge between him & Jeff Sessions, who should have been the biggest force for immigration restrictionism in this administration.

    The whole RUSSIA! fraud was a huge win for the Democrats, and I’ll be amazed if any of them are ever called to account for it.

  72. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Yes, exactly. A brilliant way to frame the issue.

    What has more impact the “legacy” of “400” years of slavery or 70,000 years (280,000 generations) of divergent evolution?

  73. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned

    A Trump-loving Hitler fanatic who was arrested for allegedly threatening to kill millions of Hispanics and kidnap a Spanish woman has been seen in newly revealed pictures.

    He is … Asian Himmler!

    Why is the FBI even getting involved in this bull? I sense the occasion for gazillionth leveraged “we dun a good job” news. How is that Steele dossier purge going btw.?

    The 35-year-old also praised Donald Trump for keeping non-white cultures ‘in line’, which is believed to refer to concentration camps.

    Bent real estate moguls love concentration camps which transform a given area into a productive venture as the real estate appreciates. Trump should buy Poland, really. It would also be relatively near Russia, hence generate aggro bonus points.

    ‘By the authority of ADOLF HITLER AND GOD I HEREBY DECLARE SPANISH AND ALL SPANISH-SPEAKING PEOPLE ILLEGAL,’ Lin is said to have said in a July 9 message.

    While this is not entirely inconsistent with behaviour of some of my east-asian coworkers, this has got to be parody.

  74. @Paleo Liberal

    “The idea that American History starts in 1619 is rather absurd.”

    Viewing every aspect of life through a political lens makes a fella dumb and empty.

  75. iffen says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Did any of you guys actually read the 1619 project?

    I have read most of it.

    It is based on fact and the fact that it bothers so many right wing white males is proof of its truth

    There is more than one reason for it to bother some white males.

    This is the true history and what will be taught

    Not really. It is a high school level partisan propaganda piece sprinkled with historical nuggets.

    But, yes it will be taught.

    Nikole Hannah Jones is a true patriot and wants America to live up to its promise

    Nikole Hannah Jones is a partisan masquerading as some sort of professional journalist/scholar.

  76. Charon says:
    @Whitey Whiteman III

    Agreed. It didn’t end very strongly.

    I felt like the last two or three sentences were on the verge of giving ‘aid and comfort’.

  77. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck

  78. Charon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Federal judges played a large part in subverting the agenda.

  79. Charon says:
    @Rebunga

    Good points, but note that the importation of slaves to the U.S. ceased (by law) after 1807. There were a couple of (widely celebrated) instances of smuggling thereafter.

  80. @Charles Pewitt

    Charles you magnificent magnanimous sumbitch… following an initial screed about haughty Puritans and Pilgrims, you humbly and hilariously took the piss out of your own Planter forbears, finding parallels with the contemporary hypocrisies of parvenu New Amsterdam megaphonies.

    But of course we all ultimately love both Olde Companyes, do we not? 🙂

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @El Dato
  81. Vinteuil says:
    @Rebunga

    2019 Immigrant apprehensions @ southern border (Jan-Jul): 760,370

    vs.

    Total Number of slaves brought to US – (1619-1866): 472,381

    That’s a rather…arresting…pair of numbers.

    It might be interesting to work up a sort of “Diversity Quiz” for normies, including the following questions:

    (1) How many slaves were imported from Africa to the United States between 1619 and 1866?

    A) 0 – 50,000
    B) 50,000 -500,000
    C) 500,000 – 5,000,000
    D) 5,000,000 – 50,000,000

    (2) How many undocumented immigrants have been stopped entering the United States between January and July 2019?

    A) 0 – 50,000
    B) 50,000 -500,000
    C) 500,000 – 5,000,000
    D) 5,000,000 – 50,000,000

    I, myself, would probably have guessed (C), (B), rather than (B), (C).

  82. Charles you magnificent magnanimous sumbitch… following an initial screed about haughty Puritans and Pilgrims, you humbly and hilariously took the piss out of your own Planter forbears, finding parallels with the contemporary hypocrisies of parvenu New Amsterdam megaphonies.

    I did sir.

    But of course we all ultimately love both Olde Companyes, do we not? 🙂

    We do.

    The new globalizer sovereignty-sapping treasonous rat money-grubber Company run by the likes of John Brennan and Mike Pompeo can go straight to Hell. A lot of them get lucrative consultancy contracts for services rendered. The services rendered are almost all injurious to the national security interests of the United States of America.

  83. syonredux says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Jamestown is where things went wrong; Plymouth is where things went right.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @Charon
  84. Corn says:
    @Anonymous

    “Was slave trade, bad as it was, good because it brought over blacks and made America ‘America’? Apparently, there wouldn’t have been no America if whites had decided against importing blacks. LOL.”

    As a fan of the “alternate history” subgenre of scifi, I wonder what the leftists of 2019 would find more offensive:

    Our America, or an America that never imported black slaves in colonial times and was no more than 2-3% black to this day?

  85. Jesse says:
    @El Dato

    The problem with “patriarchy” is that the men calling for it clearly don’t want it, if you define patriarchy as putting obligations as well as privileges on men.

    So you have Denis Prager et all babbling about how women can’t object to their husbands ogling other women. You have the likes of Spotted Toad getting angry at the idea that a husband/father’s prime obligation is as a breadwinner. Where are the campaigns against pornography? The women refusing to get paid employment when their husbands are laid off, because that’s not their role?

  86. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thomas Pruitt was born in Wiltshire, England, and he came to the Virginia colony in the 1630s.

    He was an indentured servant sponsored by Joane Bennet. The English women even back then had some property rights of a sort.

    Thomas married a woman named Sarah Lessene. They had three sons, one of whom, Henry, is my direct ancestor.

  87. @syonredux

    Jamestown is where things went wrong; Plymouth is where things went right.

    I read a couple of Philbrick’s books too!

    I like the Exploring Expedition one and the one where the Puritans finally started to make some loot with beaver pelts.

  88. Charon says:
    @syonredux

    Plymouth was a lame, low-rent attempt at culturally appropriating Jamestown.

    Oh, btw, Ann’s got a good piece out about the NYT.

    https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-why-the-new-york-times-is-unreformable-and-must-die

    The Q&A section reads like Woke Twitter.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  89. “But you are never supposed to bring that up”(from the article and referring to Darwinian Selection).

    Darwinian Selection was at loggerheads with Creationism, with the latter having been summarily dismissed by the cognescenti. Does this mean that Darwinian Selection will similarly be consigned to the trash bin?

  90. So American’s “founding” should date to 1619

    I guess Deano suddenly discovered that the first slaves arrived to the American colonies in 1619.

    I suppose Mr. B would be shocked–SHOCKED, mind you!–discovered that there’s gambling in the casino.

    Ok, now what? Oh, right–let’s have a “frank discussion about race.”

  91. @Vinteuil

    Don’t be amazed. They won’t EVER be called to account.

    Remember, they own Big Media, ergo they wield the megaphone.

  92. @Corvinus

    LOL. Your linked video “GANG LAWS” is accidentally frankly racist.

    Commander Stuart Bateson of the Victoria Police condescendingly downplays black mass criminal violence by calling it spontaneous and unorganized rather than organized “gang” activity—implying that their crimes are not premeditated, but simply part of their everyday nature:

    @ 1:00 — Why the word “gang(s)” is ‘controversial’.
    @ 1:30 — Why mass violence by South Sudanese isn’t “gang” violence.

    Positive role models for blacks are then mentioned, and a stereotypical profile of a black professional athlete is given as an example—hardly a likely livelihood for the majority of “at-risk youth” mentioned in the video.

    Later, black activists talk about cultural alienation having a negative impact on the mental health of black immigrants, sometimes leading to their suicides.

    The video clip makes an strong case against black immigration to Australia.

    Africans, whether they be spontaneous aggravated burglars or desultory bricklayers, don’t want no gang boss—they want to equalise. Best they do it among equals in Mutha Africa. The Clash understands:

    No! Gang boss no!
    We don’t want the whip! …

    ’Til half and half is equalised, oh put down the tools
    See the car, see the house, see the fabulous jewels
    See the world, you have built it, with shoulders of iron
    See the world, but it is not yours, say the stealers of Zion

    We don’t want no gang boss
    We want to equalise

    • Replies: @TWS
  93. El Dato says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    These here wymen are suspiciously goode looking.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  94. syonredux says:

    For example, perhaps the American emphasis on liberty tends to work poorly for people of sub-Saharan descent? Maybe blacks tend to stay on track better in a less democratic culture, such as snobbish Barbados?

    Barbados isn’t exactly paradise….

    2017 Homicide rate:10.50

    Of course, where Black Americans are concerned, that’s pretty good:

    According to the FBI SHR data, in 2016 there were 7,756 Black homicide victims in the United States. The homicide rate among Black victims in the United States was 20.44 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 5.10 per 100,000. For Whites, the national homicide rate was 2.96 per 100,000.

    https://www.colorlines.com/articles/where-does-your-state-rank-when-it-comes-black-homicide

    And if anyone wants a full report on Black American criminality…..

    http://vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide19.pdf

  95. Cortes says:
    @art guerrilla

    Excellent quote.

    An excerpt from the Wiki article on Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca:

    “As the number of survivors dwindled rapidly, they were enslaved for a few years by various American Indian tribes of the upper Gulf Coast. Because Cabeza de Vaca survived and prospered from time to time, some scholars argue that he was not enslaved but using a figure of speech. He and other noblemen were accustomed to better living. Their encounters with harsh conditions and weather, and being required to work like native women, must have seemed like slavery.[11] The tribes to which Cabeza de Vaca was enslaved included the Hans and the Capoques, and tribes later called the Karankawa and Coahuiltecan. After escaping, only four men, Cabeza de Vaca, Andrés Dorantes de Carranza, Alonso del Castillo Maldonado, and an enslaved Moroccan Berber named Esteban (later called Estevanico), survived to reach Mexico City.”

    Reading the account made by Cabeza de Vaca himself leaves little doubt that he was enslaved.

  96. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    Three points need to be repeated when answering the Left:

    1. Plantation slavery was not an exceptional evil with exceptional suffering. Serfs, peasants, peons and untouchables across Europe, Asia, Africa and Indian America had it as bad and worse than plantation slaves. Their descendants today are not belly-aching about the legacy of suffering. They are getting on with their lives and succeeding.

    2. Blacks after slavery under Jim Crow had a much better life, with more legal rights and personal security (lynchings not-withstanding) than most people of the world during this same time period in Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America. Jim Crow does not explain the differential failure of blacks compared to these populations.

    3. White American slave-owners were not immoral hypocrites. Ethics has to be judged by what you do with what you’ve got, not by what you would do in a hypothetical perfect bubble world. Leftists today have supported every nasty criminal war of the past 20 years (Iraq, Lybia, Syria) and compartmentalize this from any moral consideration. The Left shamelessly shifts back and forth from hating Wall Steet to loving Free Trade, depending on which election cycle we are in. They hate everything white people ever did in American history but don’t want to forfeit all the benefits that history has left to them. And they are going to judge someone else’s morality?

  97. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I don’t know that crime statistics were accurately kept during the period predating the Great Migration but I’d wager that crimes committed by blacks in the rural South were probably significantly fewer per capita than they are in our current predicament.

    It would be an interesting project but I don’t think there is reliable data. Often crimes in the black areas were viewed as their business and likely aren’t in any records. If the blacks wanted a criminal dealt with, they’d either deal with it themselves or in some cases (murders) take it to the sheriff who would then get involved. White cops didn’t make a habit of moving around in black areas looking for crimes as they do now.

    Anecdote: My father was born in the early 1930’s in an upper south state. They had a black maid (that did not live with them) that also cooked and helped look after the kids. One night she stabbed her husband to death with an icepick (he had been fooling around with other women). Now there was a body so the sheriff couldn’t just ignore it. He came to pick her up and she explained she couldn’t go to jail just then because she had to go to work for Mrs. Badwhite. He let her go to work. Over the course of the next day or so nobody raised any complaints and the word was the husband was “no good” so the sheriff dropped it. Also my grandfather had told the sheriff she was “good people” which also weighed in his decision. My grandparents never had any problems with her and my late father remembered her fondly – in addition to making great food she had an endless supply of children’s tales committed to memory.

    Whether this was right or wrong is open to debate, but I’d argue the de facto acknowledgment that they were different people and had different mores showed more wisdom than today where we seem to think that inside every black is a liberal white trying to get out.

  98. Vinteuil says:

    For example, perhaps the American emphasis on liberty tends to work poorly for people of sub-Saharan descent? Maybe blacks tend to stay on track better in a less democratic culture, such as snobbish Barbados?

    Well, it all depends on what counts as working “better” and what counts as working “poorly.”

    From an evolutionary point of view, working “better” means making lots of babies – quality of life be hanged.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  99. @Redneck farmer

    They also don’t bring up the fact that the Indians kept slaves — usually captured members of other tribes. So it was here long before the Eur0peans arrived.

  100. dearieme says:
    @interesting

    George Washington never sold a slave and in his will gave all he had their freedom

    I don’t know whether he ever sold one but I do know that your second claim is simply false. He left them all to his widow.

    During his time as President he used a system of sending slaves away and then bringing them back again to avoid any need to free them.

    You really don’t know anything about the world wide institution do you? Judging by your inaccuracy I’d say there’s a fair chance I know more than you do. But even if I don’t your point is worthless because it is North American slavery that is the issue here.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  101. @Colin Wright

    I mean, we may or may not wish to make improvements, but meanwhile, we have to live in the world as it is — and the folly of simply making massive changes by fiat has been demonstrated too often to take any demands that we make that mistake yet again seriously.

    Well said Mr. Wright.

    Slavery has been a part of human affairs basically since at least the neolithic. It was convenient\profitable to import African slaves to the Americas, maily because of disease. Obviously this was a disastrous mistake.

    But the fact, that every founder who believed in republican self-government didn’t immediately chuck out their slaves just means they were humans constrained by all excigencies of their time. (One of which was of course the capabilities and character of the slaves themselves.) In other words … the founders were humans.

  102. Dtbb says:
    @Colin Wright

    “We Didn’t Start the Fire”.

  103. Islamophobia, fear of Islam, is a reaction, and cannot be inherently bad. If our social and cultural betters were actually better, they’d use the term Islamomisia, which is really what they claim to be attacking.

  104. @interesting

    Speaking of hypocrits….the Indians had slavery before Europeans came; the Arabs controlled/ran the slave trade; every citizenry in history has had some form of slavery,and many cultures, ones that the left ostentatiously support, have active slavery today.

    Oh, let’s add one more….there is much documentation about the slave trade taking Europeans, with those from Northern Europe particularly prized.

    But it’s all the white man’s fault?

    Pshaw.

  105. @Charles Pewitt

    North Carolina had a settlement or something or other previously but it went away somehow.

    I meant to write back earlier on this. Are you not a VDare reader, Mr. Pewitt? I just figured you would be. The name of the site, picked by Mr. Brimelow, is taken from Virginia Dare, the first white child born of white parents in the New World. See “What’s in a name?” on their “about” page.

    That Roanoke Island colony, right off the coast of N. Carolina, was lost to the world due to circumstances unknown. It would cool as hell if some amateur archaeologist type found something to figure out the mystery. However, it’s not dry, and it’s not cold, and stuff in this part of the country rots like there’s no tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  106. @Vinteuil

    it drove a wedge between him & Jeff Sessions

    Sessions’ role in this was peculiar. He seemed far more concerned with protecting the reputation of the FBI than in exposing its corruption.

  107. syonredux says:
    @dearieme

    Maybe people should refer to 1619 as the Year of the Big Mistake?

    Huge:

    The more important slavery was in a country or state the lower the level of income was in the future. Nathan Nunn “Slavery, Inequality and Economic Development in the Americas: An Examination of the Engerman-Sokoloff Argument (October 2007).

    Slave states had lower levels of educational attainment and less innovation (measured by patents) than states without slavery. This was true even in the areas that were most like the North in geography and economic activity. See John Majewski “Why Did Northerners Oppose the Expansion of Slavery? Economic Development and Education in the Limestone South” Chapter 14 in Slavery’s Capitalism

    http://bradleyahansen.blogspot.com/2016/12/capitalism-and-slavery-debate-is-not.html

  108. @William Badwhite

    I moved to a small city in the south as it was finishing up the integration phase.

    Before then the white police officers would never go to the black neighborhood unless called. And if you were in the black neighborhood you had to pay a $5 fee to call the cops, which was a fair chunk of change. So they rarely called the cops.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @Alfa158
  109. @Vinteuil

    … I’ll be amazed if any of them are ever called to account for it.

    Really, Vinteuil, even if we did not have the massively corrupt institutions of “justice” and media that we have now, I doubt that’d have been the case anyway. That’s just politics. It’s too bad the GOPe throws the game every time – they make it look like they are simply stupid, but nope, they want us to lose.

    Yeah, it was a huge win and pretty easy, as working against an easily distracted guy who picks political enemies as his employees is not that hard.

  110. I’m actually not all that upset about the idea of dropping Plymouth Rock as the quasi-official founding of America. I was never a big fan of the Puritans to begin with, and I strongly suspect that they were turned into our national mascots (as it were) simply so that TPTB could argue that America had been a ‘propositional nation’ right from the start.

    But I vote we move the founding of America to 1607, when Jamestown was first founded.

    A number of milestones in Christendom’s heroic struggle to stamp out Islamic slave raiding, such as Thomas Jefferson dispatching the U.S. Marines to “the shores of Tripoli” in 1804 and the Royal Navy freeing 3,000 European slaves from Algiers in 1816, have passed quietly in this century with only minimal 200th-anniversary media commemorations.

    So when the French later took over Algeria that was just reparations for white slavery? Ya don’t say!

    Calling attention to the West’s long, ultimately successful struggle against Muslim slaving is not encouraged because it might be conducive to Islamophobia, which, as the word explains, is bad. On the other hand, obsessing over white American slaving is good, because if it were at all bad then there would exist a word for it ending in “-phobia.” But there doesn’t, so how can you even mention it?

    The proper term for our adversaries is leukophobes.

  111. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    We gotta give credit where it’s due. No white supremacism and ‘racism’, no America.

    It was white supremacism that wiped out the Indians and cleared the land.
    It was white ‘racism’ that brought over blacks to be used as slaves.

    No white supremacism/’racism’, then no mass expulsion of Indians, and no black slaves in the US. Thus, NO America.

    Btw, this 1619 shtick may be allay black fears about mass immigration. Surely, some blacks have been sensing that mass immigration is partly a means to push blacks aside, esp. as Democrats and elites seem to care more about newcomers than about black Americans. So, this seems like a bone tossed at blacks that they still matter so much… at least symbolically.

    One day, Dems may not rely so much on black vote as they got the Diversity Immigration vote. But until that day comes, they will still have to persuade blacks to vote Democratic. Just like Dems had to convince white working class to vote for them… until white working class was no longer necessary and could be dumped.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  112. @Paleo Liberal

    And if you were in the black neighborhood you had to pay a $5 fee to call the cops, which was a fair chunk of change.

    Was this actually a policy or is this something you remember having been told? I’d like to see some sort of citation or link.

    I assume you lived in the South long enough to learn there are a fair number of people – black and white – that get a kick out of pulling the leg of gullible yankees with their “stranger in a strange land” act. I know of a guy that, upon being asked by a northerner what were in the fields full of green plants with white blossoms were (cotton). He replied “oh, those are grits bushes”.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  113. Olorin says:
    @MEH 0910

    Just a reminder that Apis mellifera are illegal aliens in the ecosystems of North America.

    They don’t belong here. They displace native pollinator species just as agriculture displaces any ecosystem not geared to the monetarization of (carefully farmed) hunger.

    That includes native New World honeybees.

    A. mellifera in North America are tiny livestock factory farmed to serve as “pollinators” in grotesquely restricted and biologically dumbed-down production regimes. These cannot support sufficient native pollinators to accomplish the goal of overproducing cheap cultivated crops to monetarize the feeding of regularly doubling populations of the urban ape hives.

    Factory farm all the way down, young man.

    But hey, I’m sure Monsanto is working on some nano Glass Bees to solve the pollinator problem. Watch your ears.

    For now we have industrial hives of genetically downbred Apis being topped off from the Grassley Brand corn syrup pump truck when the creatures work their little asses off but cannot possibly glean enough calories of the right sort to make natural honey to fill the hive. And lo, at the commercially proper time, this GMO carbohydrate swill is drained off and sold as “honey.”

    Even your supposedly “radical” ag people, like Ronnie Cummins/Organic Consumers ignores this, instead asserting that what keeps this alien species from healthfully overrunning North America is nicotinoids, GMO pollen, and such.

    Fact is, they don’t belong here, and honey is much overrated as a food and consumed in far too high amounts by “organics” and “sustainability” freaks.

    We have known examples of bee gardening in the New World, but within very different food regimes than the ones that presently control so much territory and so many human lives…and dream of plowing/paving the entire planet into either continuous corn/soy or urban ape hives.

    https://nativebeeology.com/2018/01/26/native-honey-bees/

    [1622 is just 3 years later than 1619.]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Jack D
  114. The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

    These people are college grads? Claim to be educated?

    Sometimes historical processes and contingences are difficult, sometimes they aren’t. We can create alternative histories–Lincoln doesn’t fight the Civil War, Europe has wiser leadership in 1914, Hitler is never born, etc. etc. How does that work out? I can guess … but heck if I know.

    But in the case of the impact of bringing Africans to America, we actually–staring any educated person right in the face–have some pretty darn good info on what America would have been like without them–the other big Anglosphere settler nations, Canada and Australia.

    Australia and Canada–absent African slavery–have Anglo-Saxon institutions, rule-of-law, really nice standards of living (close to the US) and are regarded as pretty darn nice places to live.

    But the US has much better real estate than either of them. Much better watered–more arable land–and better proximity to markets than Australia. And much more temperate than Canada. Overall a better package of land, climate, resources, river transport than either one. It would–as it did–comfortably support a higher population at a given technology level and with better economies of scale.

    The only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that America without “1619” would be … awesome! Very much like it is in terms of Anglo-Saxon institutions and economic development only … without the burden of the incredible costs the descendants of African slaves create!

    ~~

    This long ideological jihad by the “descendants of Ellis Island immigrants”–I gotta give Steve credit–of trotting out blacks, to try and piss all over the accomplishments of the founders and settlers of this great nation says a lot about them (none of it positive). But it’s laughable nonsense in terms of our history, of what made America great and what causes our various problems today.

  115. @Charles Pewitt

    a truth told by a baby boomer Banker Jew named Larry Summers

    I’m confused. You call him a liar three times in four words, but say he “told a truth”?

  116. @William Badwhite

    I don’t know the original source of this, but I know where I read this.

    Basically, a while back there was a young lady in my city whose father had been on the HS football team in the mid 1950s. That HS was the first HS in the state to desegregate back in 1954. In 1955 the football team has its first black player. Many other high schools refused to play them. This lady’s father was part of a group of athletes who would all pile into a car and go out to lunch together. One of the guys who went with them was the black player. This accelerated the integration of the city, because having a black guy limited their choice of meals, and restaurants didn’t want to be known as a place the football team would refuse to patronize.

    The lady talked to her father about what it was like to be part of the first integrated team, and to be one of the first white kids in town with a black friend. He basically said it was no big deal to him.

    The young lady, being a writer, decided to put together an oral history of how the city was integrated. She interviewed both blacks and whites, but mostly whites. Most of the leaders of the integration movement were associated with the local college.

    It turns out that most of the people in the book were either people I knew, or family members of people I knew. Two of the people she interviewed were members of my church. Several others were parents of classmates of mine, including the brother-in-law of a segregationist US Senator who was used as an informal arbitrator. Both sides greatly respected the man.

    The football coach, and later superintendent of schools, was the husband of the elementary school librarian I liked so much.

    One of the few blacks interviewed was a lady who said the cops charged $5 to answer calls in the black neighborhood. Was it true, or was she telling a tall tale? I think she has passed already, so I may never know.

    As for southerners telling tall tales, well, that is certainly true. I remember my debate coach in HS loved to tell tall tales. One time I walked by his office by coincidence when he was telling a greatly exaggerated story about me, which was close to the truth, but his version made for a much better story. He saw me, and said, quite loudly so I was put on the spot; “Paleo, isn’t it true that blah blah blah?”

    Me: “Yes sir, that is exactly what happened”

    You don’t mess with a southerner’s tall tale. One time someone told a reporter from the Washington Post a tall tale involving me and a future President whom I barely knew, Bill somebody. The fact checker from the Post called up my mother for confirmation. My mother told the fact checker I was nowhere around. My friends were pissed that my mother spoiled a good story by telling the truth to a fact checker.

    • Replies: @TWS
  117. @Tiny Duck

    Is that tiny duck or tiny dick?

  118. syonredux says:
    @AnotherDad

    But in the case of the impact of bringing Africans to America, we actually–staring any educated person right in the face–have some pretty darn good info on what America would have been like without them–the other big Anglosphere settler nations, Canada and Australia.

    Don’t even have to go that far. Slavery was extremely marginal in many of the Northern Colonies/States. For example, Blacks (free and slave combined) never exceeded 2% of the population of Massachusetts during the colonial era.

  119. @Vinteuil

    From an evolutionary point of view, working “better” means making lots of babies – quality of life be hanged.

    Not just making babies, but raising them to survive through their reproductive years, in such a way that they likewise “make lots of babies”. Evolution (short term) is really about that generation over generation reproduction. But longer term it also involves stuff like the capability (including the will) to stave off calamities like displacement by others and extinction by effective territorial/niche defense.

  120. @Kent Nationalist

    Cymrophone Trelew was important enough to be a stop on a trunk route? Or is that just where the fuel gauge hit “E”?

    Were people of means headed to the world’s most southerly Eisteddfod?

    https://www.patagonia.com.ar/Trelew/127E_Eisteddfod+a+traditional+festival.html

  121. @syonredux

    I got it, you’re really proud of New England which you personally are responsible for founding and building but FFS, he’s talking about what things might look like now, not the colonial era. Not every post needs to be a commercial for New England.

    Massachusetts is now about 20% NAM. I go to Boston quite frequently – you have no shortage of vibrant diversity. Before you head down the “they left the south and migrated up here” rabbit hole and cut-and-paste another few thousand wiki words, don’t overlook your role in transporting and selling them around the colonies.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  122. @Tiny Duck

    Woah….interesting set of opinions stated as fact there…Let’s take it point-by-point.

    You cannot base the truthfulness of a statement upon which group of people believe it and which group does not. (Maybe that’s the basis of other probs in the post.)

    “The true history” cannot contain opinion, which the NYT whole concept, let alone specific essays featured on their website yesterday did (“America’s true founding….”– the basis of their attempt to disenfranchise working class whites, is an opinion, one that belongs pretty much –as far as experts and the general public go– past and present — vehemently disagree with.)

    “…one which will be taught” (disregarding the totalitarian aspect of it) is another opinion. My husband and I both have taught or are teaching MS and HS history and take umbrage with your assumption that those of us who have spent years studying the original sources will bow to your (and the NYT’s) declaration.

    “If you deny it…” Must I really address this? Seriously, this current tactic of the left “You are complicit,” intoned in so many, various ways, is pure BS. People are not going to be intimidated (“shamed”) because the left sets themselves up as judges of humanity and then make a statement about us. No one cares. We have our opinion of those who believe they are above and therefore the judges, of the rest of us…but we are too polite (and busy with life) to state it in public.

    I have no idea if you know this person who wrote one of the NYT”s essays, so I have no opinion on her “patriotism,” but I will remind those who attempt to wrap themselves and others in it that it is more of the above (shaming of others, setting one side up as judges of the other.) In addition, the fact of whether or not she is the subjective “patriot” has nothing to do with the truth or falseness of her opinion piece. (The questioning of the NYT putting leftists’ opinions on the main page of their website is questionable and speaks to their integrity and ethics.)

    POC — not sure who you are, whether you were elected or appointed as the so many races’ spokesperson or what, so I’ll just say that (sigh…getting old here) that’s another opinion. Personally, I don’t see any groups of people (everyone except white people, according to you) as monolithic.

    Your silliness about “white supremacy,” when we have “kill-all-men” feminists, “the race” hispanics, BLM groups assassinating LEO, and a global ideology (at least one) based on supremacy (thinking of the sharia-based one, but there are others to choose from) is lunacy. (whoops–that stating opinion as fact is catching).

    Finally, I can’t speak for all white females, but as one who is one and knows many others, I can tell you that the MSM WISHES that their narrative on this topic were at least 1/4 as true as they (and you) pretend it is.

    Well, that was enjoyable. Knowing that there are actually people beyond April Ryan and Don Lemon (yep, I know — both POC — but we’re equal-opportunity criticizers on our side) who think like you is….woah.. mind-blowing. I’ve just expressed my reasoning for why so many in the anti-corporate media despise your low-info ilk; you, on the other hand, wrote a page full of nothing but a bunch of minority opinion and didn’t even back it up with logical reasoniing, as I just did. Typical.

    Here’s how it works:’ You can express feelz if you have real thought behind it, but feelz with no logic underlying it just comes off as immature.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @iffen
  123. syonredux says:
    @William Badwhite

    I got it, you’re really proud of New England which you personally are responsible for founding and building

    Sadly, no. My father’s ancestry is Southern.

    but FFS, he’s talking about what things might look like now, not the colonial era.

    Right. And we can look at places like NE for hints as to what a USA sans large-scale slavery would look like.

    Massachusetts is now about 20% NAM. I go to Boston quite frequently – you have no shortage of vibrant diversity. Before you head down the “they left the south and migrated up here” rabbit hole and cut-and-paste another few thousand wiki words,

    Don’t have to. The Black exodus from the South is well known.

    don’t overlook your role in transporting and selling them around the colonies.

    As noted above, my paternal line (maternal ancestry is Ashkenazi) is Southern (English and Scots, mostly from Tennessee).

    As for transporting slaves, that’s the correct way to handle it. You don’t ***t where you eat. Note, for example, how Liverpool slave merchants made enormous fortunes in the 18th century by shipping slaves to the Caribbean….

  124. @syonredux

    Don’t even have to go that far. Slavery was extremely marginal in many of the Northern Colonies/States. For example, Blacks (free and slave combined) never exceeded 2% of the population of Massachusetts during the colonial era.

    I don’t disagree with you.

    But these folks–at least the ones even trying to be coherent–would respond by saying that the early industrialization of the North, e.g. Massachusetts mill towns, was driven by being yoked to the cotton economy of the South.

    And that as a matter of direct history–and the timeline we live in–is at least somewhat true.

    However as a matter of broader historical contingency, it’s nonsense. The real story is that the West cracked the code with modern science and accompanying technological advance. And that the Anglo-Saxons had cracked it technologically, institutionally, socially and genetically to create an industrial revolution.

    In contrast, the blacks … did not matter. If if Africa didn’t exist, or wasn’t populated, or the Africans made poor slaves (died from American diseases) or the Europeans had the foresight and wisdom to avoid the slave trade … America would still be rich and great.

    I would not be alive in that alternative history, but the alternative AnotherDad would be living large and having a blast in an America without blacks.

    Australia makes that point.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  125. @just sayin

    just, there’s no need for a response.

    The Duck is simply to be savored, not responded to. What he does–it’s definitely a guy thing–is an art. Just take it in, smile and enjoy. Even in this crisis, as minoritarianism lays waste to our civilization, there are moments of reprieve. The Duck–when he’s in peak form–brings us a smile, even a laugh, amidst our anger and sorrow.

  126. TWS says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He can be very humorous. Although I usually just block him as he’s such a wind bag.

  127. TWS says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The five dollars is a just-so story. Like it being legal to ‘hunt’ Australian Aborigines like an animal if you purchased a permit up until the 1970’s. I’ve had people swear that it was legal to hunt and kill Aborigines when Yvonne Goolagong was on the tennis circuit.

  128. The point you make in the article about Australia is spot-on.

    Prior to the American revolution England shipped her convicts, indentures, surplus population, etc., primarily to the American colonies, particularly Virginia, NC, GA (New England got the religious dissidents for the most part, Pennsylvania the Germans, mid-Atlantic states were sorta all over…) After the revolution that flow shifted towards Australia. Having seen both places up close I have been struck by the similarities between Australians and what you might call the Daniel Boone set: working class whites in Tennessee, Kentucky, and the Southern half of the IL, OH, IN, MO; sprinkled also through the rest of Dixie (but mixed with, and distinct from, the antebellum slave owner class.) Not just physically similar; I remember thinking that the accent and various turns of phrase sounded quite a bit like my grandparents. And similar in demeanor–extremely courteous and conscientious but prone to occasional fits of violence, and a tendency to enjoy more violent sports; mistrust of authority and hierarchy; tall-poppy syndrome, etc..

    Anyway so the US South/Midwest and Australia seem pretty much as close as you can get to a controlled historical experiment: here are two societies with the same language, same historical and legal traditions, same people genetically from the same strata of society, but with and without blacks/slavery. What do we conclude?

    • Replies: @iffen
  129. @Neoconned

    ‘I dont get it….an Asian Trump lover who hates Hispanics but wants a latina bdsm partner?

    These “Trump supporters ” the media pushes seem more like generic mental cases….’

    Remember the mulatto ‘white supremacist’?

  130. ‘Woah….interesting set of opinions stated as fact there…Let’s take it point-by-point…’

    You’re ‘responding’ to Tiny Duck. If you look at his comment history, it immediately becomes obvious he never reads the comments his posts generate.

    You’re addressing a hit and run artist. You might as well try talking to a wall.

  131. @William Badwhite

    Often crimes in the black areas were viewed as their business and likely aren’t in any records. If the blacks wanted a criminal dealt with, they’d either deal with it themselves or in some cases (murders) take it to the sheriff who would then get involved.

    Interesting idea.

    I wonder if any of the blacks we constantly hear of being lynched were actually lynched or surrendered for lynching by other blacks who also felt that they needed killing

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  132. WillBest says:

    “There haven’t been slaves in America for 154 years.”

    While legal and systemic slavery was abolished then. There are slaves even today working to pay off inflated coyote debt, working for Saudi royalty, working for the occasional respected liberal journalist, working in billionaire sex dungeons, etc.

  133. Forbes says:

    Curiously, this recent production (3 seasons, 34 episodes) of “Jamestown” uses an introduction for the first season rather at odds with the NYT…

    1619. On what feels like the edge of the world sits Jamestown, Virginia. For 12 years, it has been populated only by men, but the settlement is shaken up when the first women land in this wilderness. The disruptive new arrivals are immediately thrust into a new world…

    Apparently, the introduction of women to Jamestown was the signal event of 1619.

  134. @Winston

    both Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have recently made campaign promises re: American Indians

    Dot’s called feathering one’s nest.

    • Replies: @Winston
  135. syonredux says:
    @dearieme

    George Washington never sold a slave and in his will gave all he had their freedom

    I don’t know whether he ever sold one but I do know that your second claim is simply false. He left them all to his widow.

    ….with stipulations….

    In July 1799, five months before his death, Washington wrote his will, in which he stipulated that his slaves should be freed.

    Washington’s slaves were the subjects of the longest provisions in the twenty-nine-page will, taking three pages in which his instructions were more forceful than in the rest of the document. His valet, William Lee, was freed immediately and his remaining 123 slaves were to be emancipated on the death of Martha.[233][234] The deferral was intended to postpone the pain of separation that would occur when his slaves were freed but their spouses among the dower slaves remained in bondage, a situation which affected twenty couples and their children. It is possible Washington hoped Martha and her heirs who would inherit the dower slaves would solve this problem by following his example and emancipating them.[235][236][237] Those too old or infirm to work were to be supported by his estate, as mandated by state law. Washington went beyond the legal requirement to support and maintain younger slaves until adulthood, stipulating that those children whose education could not be undertaken by parents were to be taught reading, writing and a useful trade by their masters and then be freed at the age of twenty-five.[238] Including the Dandridge slaves, which were emancipated under similar terms, more than 160 slaves were freed.[177][178] Washington was particularly pointed in forbidding the sale or transportation of any of his slaves out of Virginia before their emancipation.[234]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_slavery#Evolution_of_Washing

    You really don’t know anything about the world wide institution do you? Judging by your inaccuracy I’d say there’s a fair chance I know more than you do. But even if I don’t your point is worthless because it is North American slavery that is the issue here.

    From 1619 to 1776, it would be more correct to call it British slavery in mainland North America…..

  136. Forbes says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Stopped reading them looong ago. But I read the responses–they’re usually a hoot.

  137. syonredux says:
    @bomag

    I haven’t checked, but I imagine not all the signers of the Declaration owned slaves.

    John Adams didn’t.

  138. Forbes says:
    @countenance

    Kudos to the three A’s–Achmed, Anti, and Alec–well stated.

  139. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    We gotta give credit where it’s due. No white supremacism and ‘racism’, no America.

    It was white supremacism that wiped out the Indians and cleared the land.
    It was white ‘racism’ that brought over blacks to be used as slaves.

    In terms of the 17th century, “White supremacism” is an anachronism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  140. @Walsh2

    Slavery still exists

    Long after he retired, pitcher Burleigh Grimes was told by a fan how lucky he was to be able to meet the last spitballer in the major leagues.

    Oh, no, Grimes corrected the man. He was simply the last legal spitballer.

    Slavery is the spitball writ large.

  141. @syonredux

    In terms of the 17th century, “White supremacism” is an anachronism.

    In terms of the 21st century, it’s a complete joke.

  142. Not only did Negroids have 70,000 years of genetic near-isolation from the humans who left Africa , but they interbred with different archaic hominids.

    While Caucasians interbred with Neanderthals and Asians also bred with Denisovans , we now know that Sub-Saharan Africans are a different type of inter-species hybrid, 10% of negroid DNA is from an extinct archaic hominid species.

    in addition to being genetically isolated from non-Africans , a significant amount of Negroid DNA comes from a separate species. This may in fact be more significant than the years of genetic isolation. While Caucasians are 3% Neanderthal and 97% Homo Sapiens , Negroids are 90% Homo Sapiens and 0% Neanderthal , but 10% of their DNA is from a different species.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  143. Alfa158 says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    That old policy sounds not far off from what Black activists want today. Their culture is somewhat more insouciant about many forms of crime than other cultures, and the community seems to prefer to have the police operate more like firefighters who mostly stay in the station until called. Sounds like a sound approach; police officers back off on Black communities and re-deploy the resources freed-up to over-police White and Asian communities who want diligent enforcement.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  144. Winston says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Very nice (I don’t have enough comments to LOL, but I would if I could)

  145. @Jack D

    Most believed that the proper solution was to send the freed slaves back to Africa because keeping them here would be a permanent headache but they never got very far with this. Liberia was the result but not that many ever went there. And now we know how wrong they were about blacks being a permanent headache – blacks have brought America nothing but joy.

    You sound like an anti-Blackite, Jack.

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  146. Corvinus says:
    @peterike

    All you have at your disposal is ad hominem.

    “I especially like the smarmy, self-congratulatory way you spew your biggest howlers.”

    Just taking a page from our dear host.

    “One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up.” — Arthur Koestler

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  147. @HammerJack

    This article feeds the theory that “Russian interference” takes the form of sowing division among Americans.

  148. @Prodigal son

    in addition to being genetically isolated from non-Africans , a significant amount of Negroid DNA comes from a separate species. This may in fact be more significant than the years of genetic isolation. While Caucasians are 3% Neanderthal and 97% Homo Sapiens , Negroids are 90% Homo Sapiens and 0% Neanderthal , but 10% of their DNA is from a different species.

    We don’t really know yet what the introgression is–probably some other human lineage, that diverged in the last few hundred thousand years, like the Neanderthal.

    But i very much doubt this has much to do with black/white divergence.

    Selection is very powerful. And actually works very fast–relative to these long time scales. Look at how smart and verbally facile the Ashkenazi got in just the last 1000 or so years of middle-manning in Europe. And the particular personality profile they have.

    I think the truth is if you time travelled back to say Roman times, you’d find the people there to be … not to your liking. They wouldn’t strike you as racial different like blacks, but you’re find them to be dumber and more uncooperative, crude and violent, compared to your idea of a modern white person. Western European white gentiles–i.e. generic American stock–have also evolved in the last couple thousand becoming smarter, more conscientious, more cooperative, less violent and more empathetic. It’s the “i’ll pitch in and help with your harvest, you pitch in and help me” selection–along with he who works smartly and diligently survives the winter.

    The selection pressures in West Africa, where American blacks came from–were simply very different.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  149. @Achmed E. Newman

    There were also some fishing camps in Maine and Canada, but those guys were just out to make a buck, so they don’t count.

  150. syonredux says:
    @AnotherDad

    Don’t even have to go that far. Slavery was extremely marginal in many of the Northern Colonies/States. For example, Blacks (free and slave combined) never exceeded 2% of the population of Massachusetts during the colonial era.

    I don’t disagree with you.

    But these folks–at least the ones even trying to be coherent–would respond by saying that the early industrialization of the North, e.g. Massachusetts mill towns, was driven by being yoked to the cotton economy of the South.

    Sure. But those same types would also prattle on about how Australia and Canada benefited from slavery via Britain’s use of Southern cotton (wealth generated in the metropole gets invested in the colonial periphery, etc)

    Of course, it’s all nonsense. Here’s a pretty good article pointing out the problems with the “slavery-fueled-industrialization” theory, Gavin Wright’s “Slavery and Anglo-American Capitalism Revisited”:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZLLNGFiwtrjeza5oZwFQRG-J3MQdn1cP/view

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Vinteuil
  151. syonredux says:
    @Charon

    Plymouth was a lame, low-rent attempt at culturally appropriating Jamestown.

    Plymouth has racial purity in its favor.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Brutusale
  152. eah says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Did anybody read Corvinus’ post?

    I did, yes (although I have him on IGNORE, I looked at this comment) — I also checked the link about Sudanese crime in AU, where one can read this:

    “The only thing you can say of the reported offences is: 1 per cent are committed by South Sudanese people and they comprise 0.1 per cent of the population.

    So “South Sudanese” seem to be 10x over-represented in the “reported offenses”.

    Also it analyzes data using “country of birth” — so you could be a teenager of “South Sudanese” origin, ie black, but born in AU, and you will be counted as Australian by “country of birth” — which is clearly misleading and dishonest — to more honestly assess the data, you have to use what the Germans call Migrationshitergrund — having a migrant background.

    There has been enough time for teenagers born to “South Sudanese” in AU to be causing trouble today:

    Number of permanent settlers arriving in Australia from Sudan since 1991 (monthly)

  153. Charon says:
    @syonredux

    That, we must grant. Though, so did Jamestown for its first decade, which the NYT now pretends didn’t even happen.

  154. Hans says:
    @dearieme

    Deari, it’s most important that the wretched Nazis do not get undue credit. Herr Hitler et al did not invent the Big Lie. They merely referenced Schopenhauer’s description of Jews as the masters of the big lie.

    It’s golden chestnut, but the self-chosen are finally getting the credit they deserve.

    Dennis Wise has done tremendous work with his films Communism by the Backdoor, The Greatest Story Never Told, and The Freemasonic Victory of World War II.

    He’s been banned and shuttered to the best of youtube/paypal/google/twitter/faceberg’s ability, but he hasn’t been jailed like David Irving/Ursula Haverbeck (90 years old)/Sylvia Stoltz (shut up! in court lawyer)/Horst Mahler/Alfred Schaefer/Monika Schaefer/etc/etc/, so he should be grateful.

    Communism by the Backdoor Pt. 6: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Uxn5XZ6XsVfm/

  155. iffen says:
    @just sayin

    Lay down that White Man’s Burden, the relief feels wonderful!

    What harm is there in black people having their myths and their “history”?

  156. Ganderson says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Oh, Greenland is a dreadful place,
    It’s a place that’s never green.
    Where there’s ice and snow, and the whale fishes blow.
    And the daylight’s seldom seen, brave boys,
    The daylight’s seldom seen.

  157. @El Dato

    The brunette is a six.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  158. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jefferson wanted to send the black back to Africa, not the Jews.

  159. Brutusale says:
    @syonredux

    Still does:

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ma/plymouth/demographics

    Interesting that the page cited has the American Indian population at 0%.

  160. @Joe Schmoe

    I’d guess that at least some were by blacks. Think of the situation at the time in the rural and semi-rural parts of the South: Blacks and whites were mostly segregated. At least in the 40 or so years immediately following the “civil war” there wasn’t a lot of law enforcement or government in general. Outsiders” were viewed with suspicion in both black and white areas. There was also a substantial itinerant population. If an itinerant committed a serious crime, the population had the choice of dealing with it themselves, or accepting that person likely wasn’t going to be punished at all. Also, looking at how blacks deal with things now (mob justice, demands for instant retribution whenever a cop shoots an unarmed vibrant dindu-nuffin) and it defies belief to think they wouldn’t have dealt harshly with a criminal outsider.

    In terms of lynchings, this is a good starting source but unfortunately doesn’t say anything about who was doing the lynchings. In some cases you can do an internet search on the name of the lynchee or of the town and find more. It uses NAACP records so its unlikely to err on the low side.

    http://np.news-press.com/data/220

    Lynchings have taken on a sort of mythology. Example: a friend of mine a year or two ago went with his son’s 9th grade class as they toured “historic Overtown” which is really just a black area in Miami that is not particularly historical. He said there was a section of a cemetery that the tour guide told them was “where all the lynching victims were buried”. Well, according to the link above, there were only 4 lynchings in Dade County, FL in 28 years, and one of them was of a white guy. Digging into the names of the other three, I found one shot and killed a police officer. So the idea that a whole section of cemetery is needed for the innocent “lynching victims” is just myth. Or if you’re less charitably inclined, more black victimology BS and more anti-white slurs.

  161. Jack D says:
    @Olorin

    You’re right that it’s factory farming all the way down, even including the bees. But in the pre-Columbian era, N. America sustained probably fewer that 10 million people across the entire continent. So if you are ok with 300 million people starving, we can go back to the old way, no problem. Otherwise there’s no real alternative to what we have.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  162. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    This is just an updated woke version of “the Labor Theory of Value”. The Communists “reasoned” that nothing could get produced without labor, therefore 100% of the value in any product was attributable to labor (and labor should get 100% of the proceeds). This kind of “but for” causation doesn’t really offer a full explanation of anything.

    Many factors went into the success of the British in achieving not only a colonial empire but an industrial revolution. The two were not entirely linked together – the Spanish and the Portuguese had the former without the latter (which left them poor in the end). The Germans had the latter without the former and it worked out pretty well for them (although they were jealous of those who had both).

    Capitalism has a way of re-routing around obstacles. When the slaves were freed, the wealth of the North did not disappear – in fact it grew even more. Somewhat ironically (as wars tend to do), the improvements in transportation and production technology and the lessons of large scale organization and logistics learned during the Civil War actually led to even more growth. So you could say that slavery DID lead to the Industrial Revolution in the US, but indirectly by causing us to have a major war.

  163. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    You’re right that it’s factory farming all the way down, even including the bees. But in the pre-Columbian era, N. America sustained probably fewer that 10 million people across the entire continent.

    That estimate is a tad on the low side:

    Coe, Snow and Benson, Atlas of Ancient America (1986)
    Total pre-Columbian population: 40M
    Mexico: Original population of 11M to 25M (“lower figure commands more support”) fell to 1.25M (1625)
    Peru: Pop. fell from 9M (1533) to >500,000 (early 17th C)
    Brazil: Original population of 2.5M to 5.0M (“recent commentators favoring the higher”) fell to 1M

    • Replies: @Jack D
  164. syonredux says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The brunette is a six.

    Gotta grade on a curve. Compared to Amerind women, she’s a solid 8. Compared to Black women, she’s a perfect 10.

    vs

  165. El Dato says:
    @eah

    Pinata Fest intensifies!

    Even aspiring Presidents whore for votes by promising pieces of debris.

    Meanwhile US unfunded liabilities: 125’000’000’000’000 and rising.

    I mean, if this was the Enterprise, Captain James T. Kirk would order up the folder with the self-destruct procedures about now and tell Scotty to heat up those shuttlecraft, just in case. Lt. Uhuru, open wailing frequencies!

    Also:

    Women with Plans: Practically Captain Marvel

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  166. iffen says:
    @SimpleSong

    What do we conclude?

    Australia does not have a good agricultural cotton belt.

  167. @Alfa158

    I’d be in favor of such a policy if the blacks had to stay in their communities or looking at it another way, stay out of white communities unless specifically invited (e.g. to work at a local business). That would be best for both – they’d get to live free of the yoke of the white man’s laws and the police, and we’d get to live (mostly) free from their dysfunction.

  168. Vinteuil says:
    @syonredux

    “Slavery and Anglo-American Capitalism Revisited”:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZLLNGFiwtrjeza5oZwFQRG-J3MQdn1cP/view

    Many thanks for this link – I’ve been on the lookout for a serious treatment of this issue.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  169. Vinteuil says:
    @AnotherDad

    I think the truth is if you time traveled back to say Roman times, you’d find the people there to be … not to your liking. They wouldn’t strike you as racially different like blacks, but you’d find them to be dumber and more uncooperative, crude and violent, compared to your idea of a modern white person.

    I’m not sure about this. Assuming that Plato gives us a reasonably accurate portrayal of Golden Age Athens, and that Cicero does the same for Late Republican/Early Imperial Rome, I think I’d find myself at least as comfortable there as I am in present day London or New York.

  170. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    I said N. America. Technically this includes Mexico but is usually taken to mean US/Canada. 10 million is probably on the high side for US/Canada but the estimates have been edging upward. Hard to say if this is due to science or politics.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  171. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    I said N. America. Technically this includes Mexico but is usually taken to mean US/Canada.

    That’s how I use it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America

    10 million is probably on the high side for US/Canada but the estimates have been edging upward. Hard to say if this is due to science or politics.

    10 million is far too high for US+Canada. Responsible estimates for Canada are generally in the 500,000 range. For the USA, estimates are currently approx 2 million. So, a combined estimate of under 5 million sounds safe to me.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  172. syonredux says:
    @Vinteuil

    You’re welcome. It’s a good article. Here’s a key quote:

    The preceding section suggests that if slavery had been abolished nationally at the time
    of the Constitution, the Cotton South would have developed through family-scale farms like the
    rest of the country, delivering as much or perhaps more cotton to the eager textile mills of
    Lancashire, and building a more diverse and prosperous regional economy in the process.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
  173. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Pinata Fest intensifies!

    What do you mean?

  174. @syonredux

    Were there any densely populated regions in N. America above the Rio Grande before 1492? Maybe along the Missisippi River, I don’t know if there were any others.

    • Replies: @Corn
  175. Corn says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    The name of the people escape me (Hopi? Zuni?) but didn’t some tribe have irrigated fields and adobe cities in some region of New Mexico?

  176. TWS says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Yes fact based like the movie Roadhouse.

  177. @syonredux

    Didn’t Jefferson yelp loudest with the declaration? He was from Virginia, and certainly a driver of negroes.

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