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From the New York Times:

American Spies Gave $100,000 to Russian Who Wanted to Sell Material on Trump
By MATTHEW ROSENBERG FEB. 9, 2018

BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons in a deal that he insisted would also include compromising material on President Trump, according to American and European intelligence officials.

The cash, delivered in a suitcase to a Berlin hotel room in September, was intended as the first installment of a $1 million payout, according to American officials, the Russian and communications reviewed by The New York Times. The theft of the secret hacking tools had been devastating to the N.S.A., and the agency was struggling to get a full inventory of what was missing.

Several American intelligence officials said they made clear that they did not want the Trump material from the Russian — who was suspected of having murky ties to Russian intelligence and to Eastern European cybercriminals. He claimed the information would link the president and his associates to Russia. But instead of providing the hacking tools, the Russian produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving Mr. Trump and others, including bank records, emails and purported Russian intelligence data. …

The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.

That’s pretty interesting. The BBC did stuff like that during WWII, or am I getting this confused with a Sherlock Holmes story where secret messages are publicly sent in the classified ads that used to run on the front page of The Times of London?

The Soviets used to communicate with their New York City spymaster Rudolf Abel using a hollow nickel, which an alert adolescent paperboy discovered.

The episode ended earlier this year with American spies chasing the Russian out of Western Europe, warning him not to return if he valued his freedom, the American businessman said. The alleged Trump material was left with the American, who has secured it in Europe. …

No audio could be heard on the video, and there was no way to verify if the man was Mr. Trump, as the Russian claimed. But the choice of venue for showing the clip heightened American suspicions of a Russian operation: The viewing took place at the Russian embassy in Berlin, the businessman said.

At the same time, there were questions about the Russian’s reliability. He had a history of money laundering and a laughably thin legitimate cover business — a nearly bankrupt company that sold portable grills for streetside sausage salesmen, according to British incorporation papers.

“The distinction between an organized criminal and a Russian intelligence officer and a Russian who knows some Russian intel guys — it all blurs together,” said Steven L. Hall, the former chief of Russia operations at the C.I.A. “This is the difficulty of trying to understand how Russia and Russians operate from the Western viewpoint.” …

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy …

American intelligence agencies believe that Russia’s spy services see the deep political divisions in the United States as a fresh opportunity to inflame partisan tensions. …

Part of that effort, the officials said, appears to be trying to spread information that hews closely to unsubstantiated reports about Mr. Trump’s dealings in Russia, including the purported video, whose existence Mr. Trump has repeatedly dismissed.

Rumors that Russian intelligence possesses the video surfaced more than a year ago in an explosive and unverified dossier compiled by a former British spy, and paid for by Democrats. Since then, at least four Russians with espionage and underworld connections have appeared in Central and Eastern Europe, offering to sell kompromat that would corroborate the dossier to American political operatives, private investigators and spies, American and European intelligence officials said.

American officials suspect that at least some of the sellers are working for Russia’s spy services.

The Times obtained four of the documents that the Russian in Germany tried to pass to American intelligence …

Yet all four appear to be drawn almost entirely from news reports, not secret intelligence. …

It’s almost as if this whole thing is kind of circular or something …

 

 
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  1. This sounds like something out of a Coen Brothers’ movie, like Burn After Reading or something.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "Report back to me when it makes sense."
    , @LondonBob
    Yes I saw Burn after Reading the other night and only now do I realise how accurate it is.

    It is clear to me that they really have no idea about what is going on in Russia, probably China neither. Let's face it it is hard to know what is going on in DC with different factions and a hard to read President. Add in a language barrier, cultural misunderstandings and disinformation. Steele was supposed to be an expert and it is obvious he is completely clueless.
    , @Rifleman

    New York Times By MATTHEW ROSENBERG
     
    Good to see another Jew managed to break through the glass ceiling at the New York Times that prevents Jews getting a byline at that outlet.

    Mazel tov!
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  2. The distinction between an organized criminal and a Russian intelligence officer and a Russian who knows some Russian intel guys — it all blurs together

    And this differs how from any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies?

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    • Replies: @Beckow

    And this differs how from any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies?
     
    I guess they would say, 'it just does, so shut up'.

    What we have here is an extreme projection. It has become close to impossible for anyone who wants to have a career with any political link (journalists, aspiring politicians, most academicians,...) to describe critically domestic Western institutions. So they describe it elsewhere, today mostly in Russia... they simply project.

    Extreme projection of one's thoughts on the 'others' eventually leads to mental collapse and a loss of identity. Maybe that's why the likes of Pelosi are dreaming of brown futures.
    , @guest
    They have funny accents?
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  3. Our side is vindicated and prosecutions are coming, as we have been saying. It also happened earlier that a Russian radio host pranked Adam Schiff, but he didn’t get any money.
    OT is this cgi mess a shot from the still unreleased Black Panther movie?

    http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/94415381

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    It is a scene from the Black Panther movie.
    http://www.eonline.com/ca/news/903679/kendrick-lamar-and-sza-team-up-for-black-panther-s-all-the-stars
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  4. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.

    Reminds me of how the CIA tried to find out if Saddam had yellow-cake vibranium … hey doesn’t Val Plame’s husband know some guys there? He worked there or somethin’ ? Maybe if we send him over there he can hang out and get the straight dope? Have a coupla brews with the locals that oughta git her done.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    There was a case few yrs back where this low level spook was trying to recruit a Russian fsb operative who specialized in Islamonuts:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324952/Ryan-Fogle-CIA-spy-frat-boy-loved-Daily-Show-emerged-U-S-ambassador-summoned-Russian-foreign-office-embarrassing-arrest.html

    They wanted information on the marathon bombers & this idiot was going to pay a million bucks cash to the agent if he became a mole.

    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?
    , @Eagle Eye

    The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.
     
    The entire "we were trying to help out the NSA" narrative is extraneous to the FBI/Hillary/Steele operation. When the Steele caper came to light, the "NSA" angle was retconned into it to give the FBI/DNC scamsters a patriotic veneer.

    There were actual thefts of NSA software, either by insiders, private-sector outsiders, or any of the world's secret services. These have been known for years, and no doubt prompted high-level and intensive efforts to identify the leak and the culprits. The NSA would certainly NOT tolerate mixing its operation with extraneous and unrelated operations by other actors, and thus taking on the risk of those other operations.

    Note a revealing typo in the NYT story: In the U.S., "NSA" is spelled without periods. Perhaps someone in London got confused on this point.

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  5. anon • Disclaimer says:

    this Russia thing really has me bummed. not so much about the malign influence of the Russkies, such as it mightn’t be, but the way it absolutely exposes how stupid the MSM is (yes, I know, it’s mainstream for a reason).

    on NPR they had some thumbsucker about those evil Russians buying twitterbots to corrupt muh democracy followed almost immediately by a rah-rah story about American military intervention in Syria. like, c’mon guys: at least Dmitri isn’t over here shooting at us! Radio Free Europe is the apotheosis of freedom and democracy, but Russia Today is somehow the most evil thing since Goebbels. (Al Jazeera America, however, is copacetic…)

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  6. NSA officials stated that they have much more confidence in the still on-going Operation Abuja Prisoner.

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  7. You have to understand that while the Deep State is spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Trump Administration they are not spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Putin Administration.

    I imagine that Putin is happy about that and might have had a hand in helping it to occur.

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    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    First of all, good, we saw what a destabilized Russia looks like in the 90s, and second of all, if you cannot handle internet commenters then you cannot call yourself elite. I love these logical expeditions claiming that warmed-over Deep State propaganda is reasonable. Russia is being blamed for two reasons:
    1 - the real bad guys are deep state buddies
    2 - cynical calculation that Cold War brainwashing still works on aging boomers.
    , @CJ
    True enough, but considering the state of our “intelligence” organs these days, every $100,000 that Russian con men steal from them is $100,000 less available to do the bad things they’d like to do.
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  8. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Heckler’s Veto is alive and well in the North Star state.

    University of Minnesota officials on Friday denied claims that they were suppressing conservative speech by relegating firebrand columnist Ben Shapiro’s upcoming lecture to the St. Paul campus and disputed allegations that the school operates under a political double standard.

    Organizers of Shapiro’s Feb. 26 talk blasted the U this week after their requests to reserve a large venue on the West Bank campus, such as those used by former Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., were denied. Critics accused U officials of “exiling” Shapiro’s lecture to the St. Paul Student Center.

    At an impromptu news conference, Vice President of University Relations Matt Kramer defended the decision and reaffirmed the U’s commitment to free speech.

    “It is integral to who we are as a higher education institution to make sure that any speaker — of any ideological bend — is allowed to speak on campus,” Kramer said. “Security and safety is our priority, along with making sure everyone has a voice.”

    The U denied Shapiro access to the Ted Mann Concert Hall and Willey Hall, two large West Bank auditoriums, because of scheduling conflicts and security concerns, Kramer said. He pointed to a stack of e-mails between U officials and conservative campus activists as proof that administrators had worked to accommodate the groups.

    Should Gov. Mark “B- ‘muricans must go” Dayton place Ben Shapiro in protective custody?

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    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a "firebrand"?
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    loool @ being denied from the West Bank!
    , @International Jew
    Meh, for a Jewish pundit, Ben Shapiro isn't so impressive. I want Milo to come out of retirement already!
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    Sometimes The Onion is about two weeks ahead of reality. If that.
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  10. The BBC did stuff like that during WWII

    Really? They tried to buy nude pictures of Churchill from the Gestapo?

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  11. Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

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    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?
     
    The Chinese.
    , @Clifford Brown
    For better or worse, this clip about the CIA is no longer true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A

    Our Deep State are a bunch of Bell Hooks reading, Foucault influenced, deconstructionists. Noblesse Malice.

    This won't end well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1sfRdfPj4
    , @guest
    I thought the Mormons ran intelligence these days. They're cohesive, and they're loyal to...something.
    , @Nico
    U.S. human intelligence was never all that impressive (to say the least) to begin with, and while the present lack of ethnic cohesion does tend to exacerbate the situation, on one level that lack is actually a consequence of the underlying reasons for its weakness. Both the founding period of the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the 1965 immigration act were products of Vital Center liberalism, which was just a specifically American version of 18th- and 19th-century Cartesian liberalism updated with a small dash of social democracy for pragmatic reasons (it seemed “reasonable” to throw some crumbs out there to keep the riffraff at bay, though not so much as to actually “empower” them à la British Labour or the Latin CGTs that rapidly chokeholded the economies of their respective countries in the following decades). In line with the great thinkers of the French Enlightenment, every man, woman and child on Earth was reduced in the minds of the Vital Centrist to an interchangeable algebraic entity. Once this premise is accepted, the question of (for example) “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.
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  12. And here we have the bumbling George W. Bush weighing in on the Russians and on immigration.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/george-bush-russia-meddled-2016-us-election-52925647

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn’t much better. I don’t know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.

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    http://www.vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerrys-iq-likely-lower-than-bushs
    , @prusmc
    Is this the George Bush that the MSN and the democrats ridiculed and insulted from day one of his 43rd in the sequence of US Presidents? Is this the George W. BUSH who Obama successfully blamed for everthing negative that took place during the Obama years? Since the CIA (real and wanna-bes) is so interested in buying info from Russian intelligence people ( real and pretended) it would be nice if someone bought the tapes of John McCain making propoganda for Hanoi.
    , @Twodees Partain
    " He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker."

    Actually, it's common knowledge that he's retarded. / Tony Soprano quote.
    , @gunner29

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn’t much better. I don’t know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker
     
    Jury is still out on dumb or lazy; I'm going with both. I've found that instead of making a choice, it's best to just include both options. Got your bases covered that way.

    You did the same with your incredibly accurate evaluation of the gay mulatto...


    When he and the old man were all chummy with Clinton, I was 'WTF'. Eventually the truth came out they were interchangeable. I'm so happy enough conservative voters figured that out in '16 and sent low energy Jeb back to wherever he came from.

    Now we got to get rid of the Jeb-like clowns that are still in power.
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  13. @Peripatetic commenter
    You have to understand that while the Deep State is spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Trump Administration they are not spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Putin Administration.

    I imagine that Putin is happy about that and might have had a hand in helping it to occur.

    First of all, good, we saw what a destabilized Russia looks like in the 90s, and second of all, if you cannot handle internet commenters then you cannot call yourself elite. I love these logical expeditions claiming that warmed-over Deep State propaganda is reasonable. Russia is being blamed for two reasons:
    1 – the real bad guys are deep state buddies
    2 – cynical calculation that Cold War brainwashing still works on aging boomers.

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    2 – cynical calculation that Cold War brainwashing still works on aging boomers.

     

    The Russians are not the ones who have been pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration for decades now.

    The Russians are not the ones who have been giving amnesty to illegal alien invaders for decades now.

    The Russians haven't been the ones pushing job-killing, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams for decades now.

    The Russians haven't been the ones who have chosen to start unnecessary wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    The Russia-Russia-Russia nonsense from the American Empire's ruling class is just a pseudo-nationalist distraction from the fact that the ruling class is deliberately destroying US national sovereignty.

    The ruling class of the American Empire is feverishly pushing sovereignty-sapping globalization and nation-wrecking mass immigration while they attempt to act like nationalists by fraudulently decrying meddling from abroad.
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  14. @anon
    The Heckler’s Veto is alive and well in the North Star state.

    University of Minnesota officials on Friday denied claims that they were suppressing conservative speech by relegating firebrand columnist Ben Shapiro’s upcoming lecture to the St. Paul campus and disputed allegations that the school operates under a political double standard.

    Organizers of Shapiro’s Feb. 26 talk blasted the U this week after their requests to reserve a large venue on the West Bank campus, such as those used by former Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., were denied. Critics accused U officials of “exiling” Shapiro’s lecture to the St. Paul Student Center.

    At an impromptu news conference, Vice President of University Relations Matt Kramer defended the decision and reaffirmed the U’s commitment to free speech.

    “It is integral to who we are as a higher education institution to make sure that any speaker — of any ideological bend — is allowed to speak on campus,” Kramer said. “Security and safety is our priority, along with making sure everyone has a voice.”

    The U denied Shapiro access to the Ted Mann Concert Hall and Willey Hall, two large West Bank auditoriums, because of scheduling conflicts and security concerns, Kramer said. He pointed to a stack of e-mails between U officials and conservative campus activists as proof that administrators had worked to accommodate the groups.
     
    Should Gov. Mark “B- ‘muricans must go” Dayton place Ben Shapiro in protective custody?

    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a “firebrand”?

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    • Replies: @guest
    Shapiro often speaks on college campi, and I'm sure many students would gladly set him on fire.
    , @Anon
    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a “firebrand”?

    It's all relative. He freaked out a bunch of people at Berkeley.
    So, against super-PC, he is something of a firebrand.

    In this day and age, defending true marriage is Outrageous.
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  15. $100k….who the hell gives this cash w no strings attached to these spooks?

    How many ppl could they have put to work w that cash?

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    • Replies: @guest
    Reminds me of the movie Horrible Bosses, in which greenhorn wannabe criminals go to a bar and basically hand money over to the first dangerous-looking black man they find. (Dean Jones, a.k.a. Mutha-you-know-what Jones.)

    They think they're hiring a hitman, but the most he'll offer after the money is in his hands is to be their "murder consultant," take it or leave it.
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  16. @Anonymous
    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

    The Chinese.

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    • Agree: Abe
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  17. @J.Ross
    Our side is vindicated and prosecutions are coming, as we have been saying. It also happened earlier that a Russian radio host pranked Adam Schiff, but he didn't get any money.
    OT is this cgi mess a shot from the still unreleased Black Panther movie?
    http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/94415381
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    Well I guess now we know why the fanfare preceded release by a week, the critic scores were locked in advance, the opening day is in the middle of February, and the main review didn't describe the movie so much as unpack its teleological post-colonialist palimpsest.
    Forget this, Imma re-watch The Guy From Harlem. That movie literally never gets old.
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  18. OT
    IT BEGINS
    Quite predictably, globalist lawlessness has resulted in vigilantism, with popular suppprt.
    From an Italian anon at 4chan:
    A lot of financial support from other Italians, Luca Traini: “I’m honored, please give all the money to poor families. But they have to be Italian families”

    http://archive.is/e7Piq

    Luca Traini arrives in prison, welcomed with applauses: “He’s an hero”

    http://archive.is/K07LW

    Antifa tried a pro-immigrants manifestation in Pavia but they end up BTFO by Police

    [Open]

    Refugees hospitality center set on fire in province of Naples

    http://archive.is/TmpRu

    Immigrants in Rome on suicide watch: “We are scared now”

    http://archive.is/LK3Ih

    Pamela’s Mom: “Thank you, Luca”

    http://archive.is/snHm5

    Luca “The Roman Soldier” Traini to prosecutors: ” I Have no regrets, I’m sorry they are not dead”

    http://archive.is/T6lNP

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  19. I hav compack dick. Compack dick of Trump beatink and peeink on womensk. You buy, yes?

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    Is a compack dick anything like a tiny duck.
    , @Eagle Eye

    I hav compack dick. Compack dick of Trump beatink and peeink on womensk. You buy, yes?
     
    Very nice. This may be closer to what happened than we dare imagine.
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  20. Waydaminit.

    I read one day on Unz.com how the deep state can create false flags all over the world with crisis actors-even kill Presidents, create a crack epidemic, collapse buildings, destroy the USSR, read all our e-mail, overthrow this or that foreign government, (and I’m probably missing a lot).

    Then I read here how the same group are a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops.

    Well which is it?

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    Both. Smart fraction exists and occasionally succeeds despite the best efforts of incompetents.
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    USCorp is a starfish, it can do very sophisticated things to no purpose, or cross-purposes, from the whole.
    , @J.Ross
    The last part of your comment presupposes a contradiction and the first part hasn't set one up. Consider feared drug lord Pablo Escobar comically mishandling an attempt to threaten the German ambassador.
    , @LondonBob
    The alphabet agencies get away with it because they don't get scrutinised by the press or politicians. They make plenty of basic errors like having Oswald shoot with, not just a garbage rifle, but one that is rusty with a misaligned sight. Then we have events like the Maidan shootings that happen and then disappear, even when the gunmen come forward, or the obvious holes in any number of official stories from Princess Di to Litvinenko. They do daft stuff all the time, just they are normally good at covering their asses. If HRC had won we not have found any of this out, I suspect often times the sloppiness is due to their confidence it won't be analysed anyway.
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  21. duh, bigly……yet, they are are on the same fucking? team: TEAM NO MORE: plundering of Middle Eastern oil reserves/No more fighting with SA/S/I for fucks, sake, seriously, annihilation is no longer cool.

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  22. @Harry Baldwin
    It is a scene from the Black Panther movie.
    http://www.eonline.com/ca/news/903679/kendrick-lamar-and-sza-team-up-for-black-panther-s-all-the-stars

    Well I guess now we know why the fanfare preceded release by a week, the critic scores were locked in advance, the opening day is in the middle of February, and the main review didn’t describe the movie so much as unpack its teleological post-colonialist palimpsest.
    Forget this, Imma re-watch The Guy From Harlem. That movie literally never gets old.

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  23. 2198400

    Lagertha’s opinion about fashion, tonight. Finns had the best fashion.

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  24. I don’t buy much, if any, of the Russian collusion conspiracy, but I certainly believe that the Russians are taking advantage of the inherent divisions and conflicts in American society. Thanks to media stratification, economic inequality, collapse of national narrative and unprecedented diversity, social cohesion in the United States has become a house of cards and the Russians are simply exploiting our disfunction.

    The Russians are more than happy to play to the fantasies of the media and Democrats that the Russians are some sort of all powerful malevolent force influencing the United States by implementing run-of-the-mill Twitter bot scripts. These are the same Twitter bots that promote corporate brands and B-List celebrities. It is all rather pedestrian with real, but marginal impact.

    Adam Curtis’ documentary HyperNormalisation revealed some of the techniques of the Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on. I think it is quite possible that Russia is implemented this strategy on the cheap in the United States. Of course, none of this would have much impact if the United States was still a functioning , cohesive, high trust society with an independent and competent media.

    Adam Curtis creates beautiful films with an unparalleled sense of existential dread. The solutions he proposes are generally a nostalgic call for the return of the socialist politics of UK Labour Prime Minister Howard Wilson. Simplistic and woefully dated, but his heart seems to be in the right place. He’s at least asking some of the right questions.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >I don't buy Russian collusion
    >but yeah I totally buy every last tochka of Russian collusion
    Russians did not stop Hillary from campaigning in the rust belt. Russians did not tell Tony Podesta to make his password comically easy or buy creepy art. Russians did not make the Democratic Party's congressional delegation to entrust all of their electronic communications to a Pakistani intelligence asset and scummy used car salesman. Russians did not make DWS steal state primaries. Russians did not get a US ambassador killed and then flippantly refuse to discuss it. Russians did not create and arm ISIS in the name of democracy. Russians did not admonish white people that they were to blame for dead cops who were working obscenely long shifts protecting anti-cop astroturf protesters. Russians did not tell white people that they need to be replaced by Muslims and Central Americans. Russians did not blithely talk about how everyone in Russian-speaking Eastern Ukraine should die in nuclear fire. Russians did not promise to start a huge Middle Eastern war. Russians did not attempt to spam our country with homosexual propaganda specifically designed to target children. Russians did not start an economy-tackling war based on a lie about Iraqi WMDs. Russians do not throw our Constitution under the bus every chance they get and then spit bile at Americans for not letting them do it more often. Russians do not hurl the same ineffective propaganda at us every hour of every day and then call us names when we see through it. Russians do not memoryhole the young victims of Islam while spamming multiple different versions of the same carefully staged little boy photo.
    These are unforced errors and Adam Driver is a silly man. There's a dead-on hilarious satire of Driver's intercut-within-intercut style and I've misplaced the url.
    , @Beckow

    Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on.
     
    Are you suggesting that Russians are doing it in US, or the West in general? One can easily turn it around and ask at what point in human history have rival countries not tried to 'sow division' in each others' societies. That's pretty much the main method to use during peace time - divide and conquer. People, groups, countries have used it since the dawn of history. There were probably tribal groups yelling at each other 'your wife slept with your brother-in-law' or similar discord causing nonsense.

    Why is this 'news'? What exactly are you suspecting the devil Russians of doing? Bots on twitter? Buying ads on Pinterest? Spreading rumours?

    It reminds me of the Casablanca scene when the French captain discovers that 'gambling is going on here'.... I have some sympathy for political over-statement and exaggeration, but to take any of this 'Russian collusion' nonsense seriously either takes a real hypocrisy, or - I am afraid - a mental deficiency so big that no amount of reality will ever cure it.

    , @J.Ross
    Russia could not have made the Democrats do any of the crucial unforced errors they have been doing. That's pure overconfidence nurtured by years of RNC cowardice. And it's a bit rich to hear about destabilizing a country through mass media confusion -- from the BBC.
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  25. @Lurker

    The distinction between an organized criminal and a Russian intelligence officer and a Russian who knows some Russian intel guys — it all blurs together
     
    And this differs how from any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies?

    And this differs how from any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies?

    I guess they would say, ‘it just does, so shut up‘.

    What we have here is an extreme projection. It has become close to impossible for anyone who wants to have a career with any political link (journalists, aspiring politicians, most academicians,…) to describe critically domestic Western institutions. So they describe it elsewhere, today mostly in Russia… they simply project.

    Extreme projection of one’s thoughts on the ‘others‘ eventually leads to mental collapse and a loss of identity. Maybe that’s why the likes of Pelosi are dreaming of brown futures.

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  26. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    And here we have the bumbling George W. Bush weighing in on the Russians and on immigration.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/george-bush-russia-meddled-2016-us-election-52925647

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn't much better. I don't know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.
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    I'll go with lazy thinker then. A complete lack of intellectual curiosity.

    I think he just accepted everything told to him by his neo-con advisors as gospel and never bothered to put much thought into issues.
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  27. @Anonymous
    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

    For better or worse, this clip about the CIA is no longer true.

    Our Deep State are a bunch of Bell Hooks reading, Foucault influenced, deconstructionists. Noblesse Malice.

    This won’t end well.

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    'Course, we must always remember the WASP ruling class screwed up. Not just by letting go of the whip hand, but by deliberate, positive action.
    , @PiltdownMan
    I thought Mark Rylance was just plain extraordinary playing Rudolf Abel in the movie Bridge of Spies.

    https://youtu.be/ekKf1C5krEk
    , @Charles Pewitt
    John Brennan and James Clapper is all I need to know to call for the so-called "intelligence community" to be depopulated of its current place holders. Fire them all and start over.

    What is the point of all these government workers in the US military or the "intelligence community" if illegal alien invaders and mass immigration are pouring into the United States? Where is the national interest in paying all these people?

    Military Keynesianism is fine; it is just a jobs program, I get it, but how much longer will young people who are not in on the government gravy train scam put up with it?

    Answer: DEBT JUBILEE NOW!

    The young people should refuse to pay all government debt; federal, state, local.

    The pensions and other government goodies going to John Brennan and James Clapper need to be clawed back.

    When will Trump fight back against John Brennan, James Clappper and the rest of the Deep State government worker treasonites?
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  28. They always said Americans are crap at “human intelligence” (or in bureaucratese: HUMINT). I guess they were right.

    Do you think Perdidious Albion kept a few tricks up their sleeves when they groomed Ivy League whippersnappers to rule the world through the Dark Arts? Like a master who knows he might one day have to fight his rebellious student in a kung fu movie.

    “Can’t have Little Columbia thinking it runs the world, what-what. By Jove! I’ve got it: we’ll turn them into spy-autistes. That’s the ticket, old boy.”

    “Top drawer!”

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    They always said Americans are crap at “human intelligence” (or in bureaucratese: HUMINT). I guess they were right.
     
    I keep thinking that's the ultimate upshot of all the "Russia launched an attack on our democracy" hand-wringing, that if that's true, the alphabet soup agencies really suck at their job. This "attack" pretty much occurred in the open, they failed to prevent it, everything that comes out about what they were doing and have been doing makes them look like either buffoons or crooks themselves. If this is what we're supposed to be relying on for national security under the de rigueur circumstances of open borders, we must have really been lucky over the last sixteen years that we haven't had another 9/11, because these Keystone Kops weren't preventing it.
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  29. there will always be rich people thinking that automatid cars will be sacrosanct ( haha, look that up…and feel more cut off by the elite).

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  30. @Anonymous
    This sounds like something out of a Coen Brothers' movie, like Burn After Reading or something.

    “Report back to me when it makes sense.”

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  31. @Lurker

    The distinction between an organized criminal and a Russian intelligence officer and a Russian who knows some Russian intel guys — it all blurs together
     
    And this differs how from any of the other alphabet soup of intelligence agencies?

    They have funny accents?

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  32. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit.

    I read one day on Unz.com how the deep state can create false flags all over the world with crisis actors-even kill Presidents, create a crack epidemic, collapse buildings, destroy the USSR, read all our e-mail, overthrow this or that foreign government, (and I'm probably missing a lot).

    Then I read here how the same group are a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops.

    Well which is it?

    Both. Smart fraction exists and occasionally succeeds despite the best efforts of incompetents.

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    I was going to write "both" too, in reply. There are probably some pretty smart men at the top, but with all the affirmative-action, glass-ceiling-busting hiring, people really shouldn't think these agencies can operate as if life were a Jason Bourne movie. (continued here, then here.)
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  33. @anon
    The Heckler’s Veto is alive and well in the North Star state.

    University of Minnesota officials on Friday denied claims that they were suppressing conservative speech by relegating firebrand columnist Ben Shapiro’s upcoming lecture to the St. Paul campus and disputed allegations that the school operates under a political double standard.

    Organizers of Shapiro’s Feb. 26 talk blasted the U this week after their requests to reserve a large venue on the West Bank campus, such as those used by former Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., were denied. Critics accused U officials of “exiling” Shapiro’s lecture to the St. Paul Student Center.

    At an impromptu news conference, Vice President of University Relations Matt Kramer defended the decision and reaffirmed the U’s commitment to free speech.

    “It is integral to who we are as a higher education institution to make sure that any speaker — of any ideological bend — is allowed to speak on campus,” Kramer said. “Security and safety is our priority, along with making sure everyone has a voice.”

    The U denied Shapiro access to the Ted Mann Concert Hall and Willey Hall, two large West Bank auditoriums, because of scheduling conflicts and security concerns, Kramer said. He pointed to a stack of e-mails between U officials and conservative campus activists as proof that administrators had worked to accommodate the groups.
     
    Should Gov. Mark “B- ‘muricans must go” Dayton place Ben Shapiro in protective custody?

    loool @ being denied from the West Bank!

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  34. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit.

    I read one day on Unz.com how the deep state can create false flags all over the world with crisis actors-even kill Presidents, create a crack epidemic, collapse buildings, destroy the USSR, read all our e-mail, overthrow this or that foreign government, (and I'm probably missing a lot).

    Then I read here how the same group are a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops.

    Well which is it?

    USCorp is a starfish, it can do very sophisticated things to no purpose, or cross-purposes, from the whole.

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  35. I think what really frustrates me ( sheesh!) is that my grandfather always knew how the Bolsheviks would play the Americans…it is happening this week…and crickets…………. It is in the middle east, now, but, the American media ignores the middle east The American media is complicit in the deaths of Syrian and Palestinian children. And, has been during Obama’s regime. Clinton and Obama gave a rat’s ass about the Middle East.

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    This is my biggest worry. Americans are being played...and they think they can euthanize the wild dog, Trump, at the same time. Is Trump an old man, yes; was he important, yes. Trump will serve out his term.

    Sorry...btw, for all you liberals trolling our fun time, 4Chan and Reddit kids are on your fracking tail...along with very unsavory Macedonians, Young Greeks that are really vengeful at the EU, smattering of ISIS. Right now, to destroy the FBI/CIA/NSA,; expose Clintons/Soros/Obamas is too big...and, it is out of control - most of the people attacking them are under 17! hahhahhaaaa!
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  36. hahhahhaaa. Cut me off – I don’t want to be dead tomorrow! I want to live!

    Thanks, darling….love you. Isn’t it amazing that we are still alive?

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  37. American intelligence agencies believe that Russia’s spy services see the deep political divisions in the United States as a fresh opportunity to inflame partisan tensions. …

    Do they really need to spend any rubles on this sort of thing? We’ve got political division up the ying-yang without any help from the outside.

    That’d be like our CIA spending $5 million of the black budget to inflame radical Islam in Saudi Arabia, to inflame narcoterrorism in Mexico or to inflame ice hockey matches in Canada. Well, OK it IS something they would do, because they are bumbling idiots with an unlimited checking account, but do you see my point? Why not just spend it on some cell-phone pistols or cars with ejections seats (convertibles, I mean) or maybe a new low-cut blouse for Miss Moneypenny?

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    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlim's ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.
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  38. @Clifford Brown
    I don't buy much, if any, of the Russian collusion conspiracy, but I certainly believe that the Russians are taking advantage of the inherent divisions and conflicts in American society. Thanks to media stratification, economic inequality, collapse of national narrative and unprecedented diversity, social cohesion in the United States has become a house of cards and the Russians are simply exploiting our disfunction.

    The Russians are more than happy to play to the fantasies of the media and Democrats that the Russians are some sort of all powerful malevolent force influencing the United States by implementing run-of-the-mill Twitter bot scripts. These are the same Twitter bots that promote corporate brands and B-List celebrities. It is all rather pedestrian with real, but marginal impact.

    Adam Curtis' documentary HyperNormalisation revealed some of the techniques of the Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on. I think it is quite possible that Russia is implemented this strategy on the cheap in the United States. Of course, none of this would have much impact if the United States was still a functioning , cohesive, high trust society with an independent and competent media.

    Adam Curtis creates beautiful films with an unparalleled sense of existential dread. The solutions he proposes are generally a nostalgic call for the return of the socialist politics of UK Labour Prime Minister Howard Wilson. Simplistic and woefully dated, but his heart seems to be in the right place. He's at least asking some of the right questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI27qk1irg0

    >I don’t buy Russian collusion
    >but yeah I totally buy every last tochka of Russian collusion
    Russians did not stop Hillary from campaigning in the rust belt. Russians did not tell Tony Podesta to make his password comically easy or buy creepy art. Russians did not make the Democratic Party’s congressional delegation to entrust all of their electronic communications to a Pakistani intelligence asset and scummy used car salesman. Russians did not make DWS steal state primaries. Russians did not get a US ambassador killed and then flippantly refuse to discuss it. Russians did not create and arm ISIS in the name of democracy. Russians did not admonish white people that they were to blame for dead cops who were working obscenely long shifts protecting anti-cop astroturf protesters. Russians did not tell white people that they need to be replaced by Muslims and Central Americans. Russians did not blithely talk about how everyone in Russian-speaking Eastern Ukraine should die in nuclear fire. Russians did not promise to start a huge Middle Eastern war. Russians did not attempt to spam our country with homosexual propaganda specifically designed to target children. Russians did not start an economy-tackling war based on a lie about Iraqi WMDs. Russians do not throw our Constitution under the bus every chance they get and then spit bile at Americans for not letting them do it more often. Russians do not hurl the same ineffective propaganda at us every hour of every day and then call us names when we see through it. Russians do not memoryhole the young victims of Islam while spamming multiple different versions of the same carefully staged little boy photo.
    These are unforced errors and Adam Driver is a silly man. There’s a dead-on hilarious satire of Driver’s intercut-within-intercut style and I’ve misplaced the url.

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  39. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit.

    I read one day on Unz.com how the deep state can create false flags all over the world with crisis actors-even kill Presidents, create a crack epidemic, collapse buildings, destroy the USSR, read all our e-mail, overthrow this or that foreign government, (and I'm probably missing a lot).

    Then I read here how the same group are a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops.

    Well which is it?

    The last part of your comment presupposes a contradiction and the first part hasn’t set one up. Consider feared drug lord Pablo Escobar comically mishandling an attempt to threaten the German ambassador.

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  40. @Anonymous
    Both. Smart fraction exists and occasionally succeeds despite the best efforts of incompetents.

    I was going to write “both” too, in reply. There are probably some pretty smart men at the top, but with all the affirmative-action, glass-ceiling-busting hiring, people really shouldn’t think these agencies can operate as if life were a Jason Bourne movie. (continued here, then here.)

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  41. @Clifford Brown
    For better or worse, this clip about the CIA is no longer true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A

    Our Deep State are a bunch of Bell Hooks reading, Foucault influenced, deconstructionists. Noblesse Malice.

    This won't end well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1sfRdfPj4

    ‘Course, we must always remember the WASP ruling class screwed up. Not just by letting go of the whip hand, but by deliberate, positive action.

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  42. @Anonymous
    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

    I thought the Mormons ran intelligence these days. They’re cohesive, and they’re loyal to…something.

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    it's weirdly true. they're the only ones that can get security clearances in this degraded age...
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  43. @anon
    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a "firebrand"?

    Shapiro often speaks on college campi, and I’m sure many students would gladly set him on fire.

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  44. @Achmed E. Newman

    American intelligence agencies believe that Russia’s spy services see the deep political divisions in the United States as a fresh opportunity to inflame partisan tensions. …
     
    Do they really need to spend any rubles on this sort of thing? We've got political division up the ying-yang without any help from the outside.

    That'd be like our CIA spending $5 million of the black budget to inflame radical Islam in Saudi Arabia, to inflame narcoterrorism in Mexico or to inflame ice hockey matches in Canada. Well, OK it IS something they would do, because they are bumbling idiots with an unlimited checking account, but do you see my point? Why not just spend it on some cell-phone pistols or cars with ejections seats (convertibles, I mean) or maybe a new low-cut blouse for Miss Moneypenny?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlim’s ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.

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    Hate to say it, but, since 1959 the braniac Finns wanted, litteraly, waited for financing from Russia.

    Buckminster Fuller: People are unwilling to absorb information/technology as fast as it is created. A Terrible combo (my op) but, people were trying to be properly realize, magnanimous and all, fair and all. but, really, bullshitting us all, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

    , @TheJester

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlin's ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.
     
    I would expect mixed results. Years ago I knew a woman who spoke fluent Russian. She was hired by the (((Harvard mob))) to go to Russia and teach them about capitalism and the marketplace ... you know, borrowing money for investments, etc. There is a lot to learn.

    One day one of her students didn't show up for class. He disappeared. It looks like he got the part about borrowing money from Russian gangsters ... but he somehow missed the part about having to pay it back.
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  45. @Neoconned
    $100k....who the hell gives this cash w no strings attached to these spooks?

    How many ppl could they have put to work w that cash?

    Reminds me of the movie Horrible Bosses, in which greenhorn wannabe criminals go to a bar and basically hand money over to the first dangerous-looking black man they find. (Dean Jones, a.k.a. Mutha-you-know-what Jones.)

    They think they’re hiring a hitman, but the most he’ll offer after the money is in his hands is to be their “murder consultant,” take it or leave it.

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  46. @anon

    The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.
     
    Reminds me of how the CIA tried to find out if Saddam had yellow-cake vibranium … hey doesn’t Val Plame’s husband know some guys there? He worked there or somethin’ ? Maybe if we send him over there he can hang out and get the straight dope? Have a coupla brews with the locals that oughta git her done.

    There was a case few yrs back where this low level spook was trying to recruit a Russian fsb operative who specialized in Islamonuts:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324952/Ryan-Fogle-CIA-spy-frat-boy-loved-Daily-Show-emerged-U-S-ambassador-summoned-Russian-foreign-office-embarrassing-arrest.html

    They wanted information on the marathon bombers & this idiot was going to pay a million bucks cash to the agent if he became a mole.

    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?

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    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?
     
    You get promoted at the CIA for "developing sources". Seems that nobody ever thinks to check what these sources tell us.

    2) I smell BS here. The CIA was looking for dirt on Trump. Then when they realized they'd been rolled, they made up this "we were buying back the cyber hacking tools" story to cover their butts.

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  47. @anon
    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a "firebrand"?

    What kind of country are we living in, where Ben Shapiro is considered a “firebrand”?

    It’s all relative. He freaked out a bunch of people at Berkeley.
    So, against super-PC, he is something of a firebrand.

    In this day and age, defending true marriage is Outrageous.

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  48. @guest
    They always said Americans are crap at "human intelligence" (or in bureaucratese: HUMINT). I guess they were right.

    Do you think Perdidious Albion kept a few tricks up their sleeves when they groomed Ivy League whippersnappers to rule the world through the Dark Arts? Like a master who knows he might one day have to fight his rebellious student in a kung fu movie.

    "Can't have Little Columbia thinking it runs the world, what-what. By Jove! I've got it: we'll turn them into spy-autistes. That's the ticket, old boy."

    "Top drawer!"

    They always said Americans are crap at “human intelligence” (or in bureaucratese: HUMINT). I guess they were right.

    I keep thinking that’s the ultimate upshot of all the “Russia launched an attack on our democracy” hand-wringing, that if that’s true, the alphabet soup agencies really suck at their job. This “attack” pretty much occurred in the open, they failed to prevent it, everything that comes out about what they were doing and have been doing makes them look like either buffoons or crooks themselves. If this is what we’re supposed to be relying on for national security under the de rigueur circumstances of open borders, we must have really been lucky over the last sixteen years that we haven’t had another 9/11, because these Keystone Kops weren’t preventing it.

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    Well, another view is that the American intelligence agencies are not really "Keystone Kops" at all - rather that the "attacks" of the last 25 years (Boston Marathon Bombing, 9/11, OKC bombing, etc.) were originally "legitimate" operations that were deliberately compromised by very evil forces from both within and without America.

    I would also suggest that several other events of the last ten years (Aurora "Batman" shooting, Sandy Hook, Mandalay Bay) were Deep State PSYOPS that may, or may not, have gone exactly according to plan.
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  49. If the Kremlin actually has compromat on the US President, it will be kept very, very safe and used only as rainy day insurance and on the direct order of Putin.

    Any underling who tried to make 100k by selling that material would be looking at a very bleak future testicle-wise.

    I call complete bullshit on this one.

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  50. @anon
    The Heckler’s Veto is alive and well in the North Star state.

    University of Minnesota officials on Friday denied claims that they were suppressing conservative speech by relegating firebrand columnist Ben Shapiro’s upcoming lecture to the St. Paul campus and disputed allegations that the school operates under a political double standard.

    Organizers of Shapiro’s Feb. 26 talk blasted the U this week after their requests to reserve a large venue on the West Bank campus, such as those used by former Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., were denied. Critics accused U officials of “exiling” Shapiro’s lecture to the St. Paul Student Center.

    At an impromptu news conference, Vice President of University Relations Matt Kramer defended the decision and reaffirmed the U’s commitment to free speech.

    “It is integral to who we are as a higher education institution to make sure that any speaker — of any ideological bend — is allowed to speak on campus,” Kramer said. “Security and safety is our priority, along with making sure everyone has a voice.”

    The U denied Shapiro access to the Ted Mann Concert Hall and Willey Hall, two large West Bank auditoriums, because of scheduling conflicts and security concerns, Kramer said. He pointed to a stack of e-mails between U officials and conservative campus activists as proof that administrators had worked to accommodate the groups.
     
    Should Gov. Mark “B- ‘muricans must go” Dayton place Ben Shapiro in protective custody?

    Meh, for a Jewish pundit, Ben Shapiro isn’t so impressive. I want Milo to come out of retirement already!

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    Why settle for the conservative Jewish family man neocon when you can have the pederast hedonist reform Jewish neocon caricature?
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  51. For a NY Times article, there’s a lot of candor there.

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    I'm surprised by that too. It's like they're actually starting to report what really went on and the Democrats' role in it.
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  52. The best part about me: I know the RUSSIANS AND EUROPE AND GUYS LIKE, SOROS.

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    me and you, and my darling, Milo, are your last people in this country. wake up.
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  53. @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlim's ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.

    Hate to say it, but, since 1959 the braniac Finns wanted, litteraly, waited for financing from Russia.

    Buckminster Fuller: People are unwilling to absorb information/technology as fast as it is created. A Terrible combo (my op) but, people were trying to be properly realize, magnanimous and all, fair and all. but, really, bullshitting us all, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

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  54. @Clifford Brown
    For better or worse, this clip about the CIA is no longer true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A

    Our Deep State are a bunch of Bell Hooks reading, Foucault influenced, deconstructionists. Noblesse Malice.

    This won't end well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1sfRdfPj4

    I thought Mark Rylance was just plain extraordinary playing Rudolf Abel in the movie Bridge of Spies.

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    He mumbles through everything, he was the same in “Dumb Quirk”.
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  55. @Lagertha
    The best part about me: I know the RUSSIANS AND EUROPE AND GUYS LIKE, SOROS.

    me and you, and my darling, Milo, are your last people in this country. wake up.

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  56. I didn’t realise so many Congress Critters and agencies were throwing around so much cash to get at Trump. Hell, I can use DeepFakes to give them several hours of Trump porn “videoed” in the middle of Red Square. That should be good for a few million, right?

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  57. @Joe Stalin
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerrys-iq-likely-lower-than-bushs

    I’ll go with lazy thinker then. A complete lack of intellectual curiosity.

    I think he just accepted everything told to him by his neo-con advisors as gospel and never bothered to put much thought into issues.

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  58. As the old rhyme goes,

    ‘Big fleas have little fleas on their backs to bite ‘em,
    Little fleas have littler fleas to bite ‘em,
    And so ad finitum……’

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  59. BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons

    Apparently the Intelligence Agencies have been so borked by the Copyright Mafia that they think “stolen software” has actually been stolen, as opposed to copied, and cannot actually be “delivered”, whatever the shadowy-ness level of the operative.

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    Apparently the Intelligence Agencies have been so borked by the Copyright Mafia that they think “stolen software” has actually been stolen, as opposed to copied,

    No, I think the point is that the Intelligence Agencies don't know what the Russians stole, and are paying to see what the other side has. They may be idiots, but they can't be that stupid.
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  60. @Anonymous
    This sounds like something out of a Coen Brothers' movie, like Burn After Reading or something.

    Yes I saw Burn after Reading the other night and only now do I realise how accurate it is.

    It is clear to me that they really have no idea about what is going on in Russia, probably China neither. Let’s face it it is hard to know what is going on in DC with different factions and a hard to read President. Add in a language barrier, cultural misunderstandings and disinformation. Steele was supposed to be an expert and it is obvious he is completely clueless.

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    For a long time being a spy meant learning languages that educated Americans were already learing and traveling in better parts of Europe. Now a spy is expected to infitrate a Han clan or assimilate a Pushtun band. It seems safe to assume that a lot of necessary spying just isn't happening.
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  61. @Anonymous
    This sounds like something out of a Coen Brothers' movie, like Burn After Reading or something.

    New York Times By MATTHEW ROSENBERG

    Good to see another Jew managed to break through the glass ceiling at the New York Times that prevents Jews getting a byline at that outlet.

    Mazel tov!

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  62. I recently read Steele’s entire silly “dossier,” and the strong impression I got from it was that either his “Russian sources” were feeding him a steaming pile of nonsense designed as fodder for the partisan press so they could paint Trump as more of a national security risk than Clinton had already demostrated herself to be with her email follies, or that the Russians, seeing that either they or whoever hacked the DNC’s email server had done a number on Clinton’s reputation, saw a chance to do the same to Trump. That the US intelligence services and the “respectable press” were such willing participants in this scheme is scary. The most laughable parts of the Steele dreck are those where he describes people in the Kremlin running around worried that the exposure of their role in helping Trump is bringing too much heat on them and they need to lay low. In reality, to any extent they were involved, those Russians are likely still laughing their asses off with a bunch of Romanian hookers in a Dacha in southern Russia, all on Putin’s ruble. This idea that Putin would want Trump in the White House rather than Clinton is silly. What he wants in the White House is a wounded president, and, since Clinton had shown herself to be the master of the self-inflicted wound, this entire “Russia scandal” ensured that he would get what he wanted either way, either by good fortune or design.

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    So isn't Steele a British spy who has been caught trying to influence an American presidential election? So why aren't the Americans all over the British government for attempting to tamper with American elections? They seem to obsess with the Russians.
    , @Busby
    People seem to think Washington is like an Allen Drury novel when the reality is more like a Christopher Buckley novel.

    Putin's objective in interfering in the 2016 election, assuming there was an actual operational plan vice a smorgasbord of spoiling attacks, is still obscure. And yet every day we are assured by the best and the brightest that the election of Trump/Clinton is more favorable to Russia.

    What fascinates me the most is how the media have completely ignored the second rule of good journalism, "If your mother says she loves you, check it!" (We all know the first rule of journalism is never get involved in a flame war in Asia.)
    , @siberiancat
    You don't need to invent what Putin thinks. He frequently speaks in public, and according to my observations, he's much more direct and truthful in his speeches than any Western politician. Just read his speeches.
    The Munich speech is a good example. It was given 10 years ago, and now it is easy to assess the truthfulness and consistency of it with the actual policies

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Speech_and_the_Following_Discussion_at_the_Munich_Conference_on_Security_Policy

    I believe what Russia wants is to be largely left alone and be given respect appropriate for a Great Power.

    From their perspective, it simply did not matter who won the US presidency, and Putin did say that publicly several times.

    I believe in retrospect that was a correct assessment. All the cries about the Russians attacking muh democracy are just ludicrous.

    They might have stolen the Clinton emails and whatever else, but this is what any intelligence service does.
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  63. @Anonymous
    Our intelligence agencies no longer have the ethnic cohesion they used to. Nor do they have much loyalty to the actual American people.

    The Russians have ethnic solidarity and a natural patriotism. Who wins that contest?

    U.S. human intelligence was never all that impressive (to say the least) to begin with, and while the present lack of ethnic cohesion does tend to exacerbate the situation, on one level that lack is actually a consequence of the underlying reasons for its weakness. Both the founding period of the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the 1965 immigration act were products of Vital Center liberalism, which was just a specifically American version of 18th- and 19th-century Cartesian liberalism updated with a small dash of social democracy for pragmatic reasons (it seemed “reasonable” to throw some crumbs out there to keep the riffraff at bay, though not so much as to actually “empower” them à la British Labour or the Latin CGTs that rapidly chokeholded the economies of their respective countries in the following decades). In line with the great thinkers of the French Enlightenment, every man, woman and child on Earth was reduced in the minds of the Vital Centrist to an interchangeable algebraic entity. Once this premise is accepted, the question of (for example) “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.

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    “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.
     
    So true, well stated. It is interesting to me that in order to get French support in 1776, we included lines about all men being equal in the Declaration of Independence. But when the war was over, and it was time to get serious among ourselves, none of that silliness was in our Constitution.

    Unfortunately, it crept in later.
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  64. @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlim's ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the Russians pulling social media shenanigans on the Kremlin’s ruble are in it to get experience so they can go into business for themselves.

    I would expect mixed results. Years ago I knew a woman who spoke fluent Russian. She was hired by the (((Harvard mob))) to go to Russia and teach them about capitalism and the marketplace … you know, borrowing money for investments, etc. There is a lot to learn.

    One day one of her students didn’t show up for class. He disappeared. It looks like he got the part about borrowing money from Russian gangsters … but he somehow missed the part about having to pay it back.

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  65. @Thomas

    They always said Americans are crap at “human intelligence” (or in bureaucratese: HUMINT). I guess they were right.
     
    I keep thinking that's the ultimate upshot of all the "Russia launched an attack on our democracy" hand-wringing, that if that's true, the alphabet soup agencies really suck at their job. This "attack" pretty much occurred in the open, they failed to prevent it, everything that comes out about what they were doing and have been doing makes them look like either buffoons or crooks themselves. If this is what we're supposed to be relying on for national security under the de rigueur circumstances of open borders, we must have really been lucky over the last sixteen years that we haven't had another 9/11, because these Keystone Kops weren't preventing it.

    Well, another view is that the American intelligence agencies are not really “Keystone Kops” at all – rather that the “attacks” of the last 25 years (Boston Marathon Bombing, 9/11, OKC bombing, etc.) were originally “legitimate” operations that were deliberately compromised by very evil forces from both within and without America.

    I would also suggest that several other events of the last ten years (Aurora “Batman” shooting, Sandy Hook, Mandalay Bay) were Deep State PSYOPS that may, or may not, have gone exactly according to plan.

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  66. In their defense, he had a foreign accent.

    Wouldn’t a real Russian hacker-err intelligence agent- ask for crypto currency.

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  67. @El Dato

    BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons
     
    Apparently the Intelligence Agencies have been so borked by the Copyright Mafia that they think "stolen software" has actually been stolen, as opposed to copied, and cannot actually be "delivered", whatever the shadowy-ness level of the operative.

    Apparently the Intelligence Agencies have been so borked by the Copyright Mafia that they think “stolen software” has actually been stolen, as opposed to copied,

    No, I think the point is that the Intelligence Agencies don’t know what the Russians stole, and are paying to see what the other side has. They may be idiots, but they can’t be that stupid.

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  68. @guest
    I thought the Mormons ran intelligence these days. They're cohesive, and they're loyal to...something.

    it’s weirdly true. they’re the only ones that can get security clearances in this degraded age…

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  69. @Spooky
    I recently read Steele's entire silly "dossier," and the strong impression I got from it was that either his "Russian sources" were feeding him a steaming pile of nonsense designed as fodder for the partisan press so they could paint Trump as more of a national security risk than Clinton had already demostrated herself to be with her email follies, or that the Russians, seeing that either they or whoever hacked the DNC's email server had done a number on Clinton's reputation, saw a chance to do the same to Trump. That the US intelligence services and the "respectable press" were such willing participants in this scheme is scary. The most laughable parts of the Steele dreck are those where he describes people in the Kremlin running around worried that the exposure of their role in helping Trump is bringing too much heat on them and they need to lay low. In reality, to any extent they were involved, those Russians are likely still laughing their asses off with a bunch of Romanian hookers in a Dacha in southern Russia, all on Putin's ruble. This idea that Putin would want Trump in the White House rather than Clinton is silly. What he wants in the White House is a wounded president, and, since Clinton had shown herself to be the master of the self-inflicted wound, this entire "Russia scandal" ensured that he would get what he wanted either way, either by good fortune or design.

    So isn’t Steele a British spy who has been caught trying to influence an American presidential election? So why aren’t the Americans all over the British government for attempting to tamper with American elections? They seem to obsess with the Russians.

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    That's an Anglo-American Empire thing. We're all the same, don't you know. Israel and Saudia Arabia, and heck all of NATO, too. It's the Nato-Anglo-American-Saudi-Israelian Empire.
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  70. @Spooky
    I recently read Steele's entire silly "dossier," and the strong impression I got from it was that either his "Russian sources" were feeding him a steaming pile of nonsense designed as fodder for the partisan press so they could paint Trump as more of a national security risk than Clinton had already demostrated herself to be with her email follies, or that the Russians, seeing that either they or whoever hacked the DNC's email server had done a number on Clinton's reputation, saw a chance to do the same to Trump. That the US intelligence services and the "respectable press" were such willing participants in this scheme is scary. The most laughable parts of the Steele dreck are those where he describes people in the Kremlin running around worried that the exposure of their role in helping Trump is bringing too much heat on them and they need to lay low. In reality, to any extent they were involved, those Russians are likely still laughing their asses off with a bunch of Romanian hookers in a Dacha in southern Russia, all on Putin's ruble. This idea that Putin would want Trump in the White House rather than Clinton is silly. What he wants in the White House is a wounded president, and, since Clinton had shown herself to be the master of the self-inflicted wound, this entire "Russia scandal" ensured that he would get what he wanted either way, either by good fortune or design.

    People seem to think Washington is like an Allen Drury novel when the reality is more like a Christopher Buckley novel.

    Putin’s objective in interfering in the 2016 election, assuming there was an actual operational plan vice a smorgasbord of spoiling attacks, is still obscure. And yet every day we are assured by the best and the brightest that the election of Trump/Clinton is more favorable to Russia.

    What fascinates me the most is how the media have completely ignored the second rule of good journalism, “If your mother says she loves you, check it!” (We all know the first rule of journalism is never get involved in a flame war in Asia.)

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  71. @International Jew
    For a NY Times article, there's a lot of candor there.

    I’m surprised by that too. It’s like they’re actually starting to report what really went on and the Democrats’ role in it.

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  72. @Svigor
    I hav compack dick. Compack dick of Trump beatink and peeink on womensk. You buy, yes?

    Is a compack dick anything like a tiny duck.

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  73. @Neoconned
    There was a case few yrs back where this low level spook was trying to recruit a Russian fsb operative who specialized in Islamonuts:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324952/Ryan-Fogle-CIA-spy-frat-boy-loved-Daily-Show-emerged-U-S-ambassador-summoned-Russian-foreign-office-embarrassing-arrest.html

    They wanted information on the marathon bombers & this idiot was going to pay a million bucks cash to the agent if he became a mole.

    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?

    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?

    You get promoted at the CIA for “developing sources”. Seems that nobody ever thinks to check what these sources tell us.

    2) I smell BS here. The CIA was looking for dirt on Trump. Then when they realized they’d been rolled, they made up this “we were buying back the cyber hacking tools” story to cover their butts.

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    The CIA was looking for dirt on Trump. Then when they realized they’d been rolled, they made up this “we were buying back the cyber hacking tools” story to cover their butts.
     
    Exactly. See comment above.
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  74. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    And here we have the bumbling George W. Bush weighing in on the Russians and on immigration.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/george-bush-russia-meddled-2016-us-election-52925647

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn't much better. I don't know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.

    Is this the George Bush that the MSN and the democrats ridiculed and insulted from day one of his 43rd in the sequence of US Presidents? Is this the George W. BUSH who Obama successfully blamed for everthing negative that took place during the Obama years? Since the CIA (real and wanna-bes) is so interested in buying info from Russian intelligence people ( real and pretended) it would be nice if someone bought the tapes of John McCain making propoganda for Hanoi.

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  75. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    And here we have the bumbling George W. Bush weighing in on the Russians and on immigration.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/george-bush-russia-meddled-2016-us-election-52925647

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn't much better. I don't know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.

    ” He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.”

    Actually, it’s common knowledge that he’s retarded. / Tony Soprano quote.

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  76. @Svigor
    I hav compack dick. Compack dick of Trump beatink and peeink on womensk. You buy, yes?

    I hav compack dick. Compack dick of Trump beatink and peeink on womensk. You buy, yes?

    Very nice. This may be closer to what happened than we dare imagine.

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  77. @J.Ross
    First of all, good, we saw what a destabilized Russia looks like in the 90s, and second of all, if you cannot handle internet commenters then you cannot call yourself elite. I love these logical expeditions claiming that warmed-over Deep State propaganda is reasonable. Russia is being blamed for two reasons:
    1 - the real bad guys are deep state buddies
    2 - cynical calculation that Cold War brainwashing still works on aging boomers.

    2 – cynical calculation that Cold War brainwashing still works on aging boomers.

    The Russians are not the ones who have been pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration for decades now.

    The Russians are not the ones who have been giving amnesty to illegal alien invaders for decades now.

    The Russians haven’t been the ones pushing job-killing, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams for decades now.

    The Russians haven’t been the ones who have chosen to start unnecessary wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.

    The Russia-Russia-Russia nonsense from the American Empire’s ruling class is just a pseudo-nationalist distraction from the fact that the ruling class is deliberately destroying US national sovereignty.

    The ruling class of the American Empire is feverishly pushing sovereignty-sapping globalization and nation-wrecking mass immigration while they attempt to act like nationalists by fraudulently decrying meddling from abroad.

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  78. @Spooky
    I recently read Steele's entire silly "dossier," and the strong impression I got from it was that either his "Russian sources" were feeding him a steaming pile of nonsense designed as fodder for the partisan press so they could paint Trump as more of a national security risk than Clinton had already demostrated herself to be with her email follies, or that the Russians, seeing that either they or whoever hacked the DNC's email server had done a number on Clinton's reputation, saw a chance to do the same to Trump. That the US intelligence services and the "respectable press" were such willing participants in this scheme is scary. The most laughable parts of the Steele dreck are those where he describes people in the Kremlin running around worried that the exposure of their role in helping Trump is bringing too much heat on them and they need to lay low. In reality, to any extent they were involved, those Russians are likely still laughing their asses off with a bunch of Romanian hookers in a Dacha in southern Russia, all on Putin's ruble. This idea that Putin would want Trump in the White House rather than Clinton is silly. What he wants in the White House is a wounded president, and, since Clinton had shown herself to be the master of the self-inflicted wound, this entire "Russia scandal" ensured that he would get what he wanted either way, either by good fortune or design.

    You don’t need to invent what Putin thinks. He frequently speaks in public, and according to my observations, he’s much more direct and truthful in his speeches than any Western politician. Just read his speeches.
    The Munich speech is a good example. It was given 10 years ago, and now it is easy to assess the truthfulness and consistency of it with the actual policies

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Speech_and_the_Following_Discussion_at_the_Munich_Conference_on_Security_Policy

    I believe what Russia wants is to be largely left alone and be given respect appropriate for a Great Power.

    From their perspective, it simply did not matter who won the US presidency, and Putin did say that publicly several times.

    I believe in retrospect that was a correct assessment. All the cries about the Russians attacking muh democracy are just ludicrous.

    They might have stolen the Clinton emails and whatever else, but this is what any intelligence service does.

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  79. @Clifford Brown
    For better or worse, this clip about the CIA is no longer true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A

    Our Deep State are a bunch of Bell Hooks reading, Foucault influenced, deconstructionists. Noblesse Malice.

    This won't end well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1sfRdfPj4

    John Brennan and James Clapper is all I need to know to call for the so-called “intelligence community” to be depopulated of its current place holders. Fire them all and start over.

    What is the point of all these government workers in the US military or the “intelligence community” if illegal alien invaders and mass immigration are pouring into the United States? Where is the national interest in paying all these people?

    Military Keynesianism is fine; it is just a jobs program, I get it, but how much longer will young people who are not in on the government gravy train scam put up with it?

    Answer: DEBT JUBILEE NOW!

    The young people should refuse to pay all government debt; federal, state, local.

    The pensions and other government goodies going to John Brennan and James Clapper need to be clawed back.

    When will Trump fight back against John Brennan, James Clappper and the rest of the Deep State government worker treasonites?

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  80. @Clifford Brown
    I don't buy much, if any, of the Russian collusion conspiracy, but I certainly believe that the Russians are taking advantage of the inherent divisions and conflicts in American society. Thanks to media stratification, economic inequality, collapse of national narrative and unprecedented diversity, social cohesion in the United States has become a house of cards and the Russians are simply exploiting our disfunction.

    The Russians are more than happy to play to the fantasies of the media and Democrats that the Russians are some sort of all powerful malevolent force influencing the United States by implementing run-of-the-mill Twitter bot scripts. These are the same Twitter bots that promote corporate brands and B-List celebrities. It is all rather pedestrian with real, but marginal impact.

    Adam Curtis' documentary HyperNormalisation revealed some of the techniques of the Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on. I think it is quite possible that Russia is implemented this strategy on the cheap in the United States. Of course, none of this would have much impact if the United States was still a functioning , cohesive, high trust society with an independent and competent media.

    Adam Curtis creates beautiful films with an unparalleled sense of existential dread. The solutions he proposes are generally a nostalgic call for the return of the socialist politics of UK Labour Prime Minister Howard Wilson. Simplistic and woefully dated, but his heart seems to be in the right place. He's at least asking some of the right questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI27qk1irg0

    Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on.

    Are you suggesting that Russians are doing it in US, or the West in general? One can easily turn it around and ask at what point in human history have rival countries not tried to ‘sow division’ in each others’ societies. That’s pretty much the main method to use during peace time – divide and conquer. People, groups, countries have used it since the dawn of history. There were probably tribal groups yelling at each other ‘your wife slept with your brother-in-law‘ or similar discord causing nonsense.

    Why is this ‘news’? What exactly are you suspecting the devil Russians of doing? Bots on twitter? Buying ads on Pinterest? Spreading rumours?

    It reminds me of the Casablanca scene when the French captain discovers that ‘gambling is going on here’…. I have some sympathy for political over-statement and exaggeration, but to take any of this ‘Russian collusion’ nonsense seriously either takes a real hypocrisy, or – I am afraid – a mental deficiency so big that no amount of reality will ever cure it.

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  81. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit.

    I read one day on Unz.com how the deep state can create false flags all over the world with crisis actors-even kill Presidents, create a crack epidemic, collapse buildings, destroy the USSR, read all our e-mail, overthrow this or that foreign government, (and I'm probably missing a lot).

    Then I read here how the same group are a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops.

    Well which is it?

    The alphabet agencies get away with it because they don’t get scrutinised by the press or politicians. They make plenty of basic errors like having Oswald shoot with, not just a garbage rifle, but one that is rusty with a misaligned sight. Then we have events like the Maidan shootings that happen and then disappear, even when the gunmen come forward, or the obvious holes in any number of official stories from Princess Di to Litvinenko. They do daft stuff all the time, just they are normally good at covering their asses. If HRC had won we not have found any of this out, I suspect often times the sloppiness is due to their confidence it won’t be analysed anyway.

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  82. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    And here we have the bumbling George W. Bush weighing in on the Russians and on immigration.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/george-bush-russia-meddled-2016-us-election-52925647

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn't much better. I don't know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker.

    Obama was a terrible President. A mixture of evil and incompetence. But Bush wasn’t much better. I don’t know how intelligent he is iq wise, but he is clearly incapable of of independent thought. He is either dumb or just a very lazy thinker

    Jury is still out on dumb or lazy; I’m going with both. I’ve found that instead of making a choice, it’s best to just include both options. Got your bases covered that way.

    You did the same with your incredibly accurate evaluation of the gay mulatto…

    When he and the old man were all chummy with Clinton, I was ‘WTF’. Eventually the truth came out they were interchangeable. I’m so happy enough conservative voters figured that out in ’16 and sent low energy Jeb back to wherever he came from.

    Now we got to get rid of the Jeb-like clowns that are still in power.

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  83. @anon

    The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.
     
    Reminds me of how the CIA tried to find out if Saddam had yellow-cake vibranium … hey doesn’t Val Plame’s husband know some guys there? He worked there or somethin’ ? Maybe if we send him over there he can hang out and get the straight dope? Have a coupla brews with the locals that oughta git her done.

    The N.S.A. even used its official Twitter account nearly a dozen times to send coded messages to the Russian.

    The entire “we were trying to help out the NSA” narrative is extraneous to the FBI/Hillary/Steele operation. When the Steele caper came to light, the “NSA” angle was retconned into it to give the FBI/DNC scamsters a patriotic veneer.

    There were actual thefts of NSA software, either by insiders, private-sector outsiders, or any of the world’s secret services. These have been known for years, and no doubt prompted high-level and intensive efforts to identify the leak and the culprits. The NSA would certainly NOT tolerate mixing its operation with extraneous and unrelated operations by other actors, and thus taking on the risk of those other operations.

    Note a revealing typo in the NYT story: In the U.S., “NSA” is spelled without periods. Perhaps someone in London got confused on this point.

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  84. @Peripatetic commenter
    You have to understand that while the Deep State is spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Trump Administration they are not spending time figuring out how to destabilize the Putin Administration.

    I imagine that Putin is happy about that and might have had a hand in helping it to occur.

    True enough, but considering the state of our “intelligence” organs these days, every $100,000 that Russian con men steal from them is $100,000 less available to do the bad things they’d like to do.

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  85. @International Jew
    Meh, for a Jewish pundit, Ben Shapiro isn't so impressive. I want Milo to come out of retirement already!

    Why settle for the conservative Jewish family man neocon when you can have the pederast hedonist reform Jewish neocon caricature?

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    Milo's a homosexual, not a pedophile.
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  86. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Sometimes The Onion is about two weeks ahead of reality. If that.

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    One of the casualties of the PC peak we seem to now be passing has been comedy, so seeing the Onion jab at the security services, Antifa, and Muslims is deeply reassuring. It's okay to make fun of people again.
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  87. @Clifford Brown
    I don't buy much, if any, of the Russian collusion conspiracy, but I certainly believe that the Russians are taking advantage of the inherent divisions and conflicts in American society. Thanks to media stratification, economic inequality, collapse of national narrative and unprecedented diversity, social cohesion in the United States has become a house of cards and the Russians are simply exploiting our disfunction.

    The Russians are more than happy to play to the fantasies of the media and Democrats that the Russians are some sort of all powerful malevolent force influencing the United States by implementing run-of-the-mill Twitter bot scripts. These are the same Twitter bots that promote corporate brands and B-List celebrities. It is all rather pedestrian with real, but marginal impact.

    Adam Curtis' documentary HyperNormalisation revealed some of the techniques of the Russian PR guru Vladislav Surkov. His approach to social control is to sow seeds of discord and confusion so that even informed observers have no idea what is going on. I think it is quite possible that Russia is implemented this strategy on the cheap in the United States. Of course, none of this would have much impact if the United States was still a functioning , cohesive, high trust society with an independent and competent media.

    Adam Curtis creates beautiful films with an unparalleled sense of existential dread. The solutions he proposes are generally a nostalgic call for the return of the socialist politics of UK Labour Prime Minister Howard Wilson. Simplistic and woefully dated, but his heart seems to be in the right place. He's at least asking some of the right questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI27qk1irg0

    Russia could not have made the Democrats do any of the crucial unforced errors they have been doing. That’s pure overconfidence nurtured by years of RNC cowardice. And it’s a bit rich to hear about destabilizing a country through mass media confusion — from the BBC.

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  88. @LondonBob
    Yes I saw Burn after Reading the other night and only now do I realise how accurate it is.

    It is clear to me that they really have no idea about what is going on in Russia, probably China neither. Let's face it it is hard to know what is going on in DC with different factions and a hard to read President. Add in a language barrier, cultural misunderstandings and disinformation. Steele was supposed to be an expert and it is obvious he is completely clueless.

    For a long time being a spy meant learning languages that educated Americans were already learing and traveling in better parts of Europe. Now a spy is expected to infitrate a Han clan or assimilate a Pushtun band. It seems safe to assume that a lot of necessary spying just isn’t happening.

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  89. @CJ
    Sometimes The Onion is about two weeks ahead of reality. If that.

    One of the casualties of the PC peak we seem to now be passing has been comedy, so seeing the Onion jab at the security services, Antifa, and Muslims is deeply reassuring. It’s okay to make fun of people again.

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  90. @Issac
    Why settle for the conservative Jewish family man neocon when you can have the pederast hedonist reform Jewish neocon caricature?

    Milo’s a homosexual, not a pedophile.

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  91. @PiltdownMan
    I thought Mark Rylance was just plain extraordinary playing Rudolf Abel in the movie Bridge of Spies.

    https://youtu.be/ekKf1C5krEk

    He mumbles through everything, he was the same in “Dumb Quirk”.

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  92. Satire of Adam Curtis (not Adam Driver, not sure how I confused them):

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  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Nico
    U.S. human intelligence was never all that impressive (to say the least) to begin with, and while the present lack of ethnic cohesion does tend to exacerbate the situation, on one level that lack is actually a consequence of the underlying reasons for its weakness. Both the founding period of the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the 1965 immigration act were products of Vital Center liberalism, which was just a specifically American version of 18th- and 19th-century Cartesian liberalism updated with a small dash of social democracy for pragmatic reasons (it seemed “reasonable” to throw some crumbs out there to keep the riffraff at bay, though not so much as to actually “empower” them à la British Labour or the Latin CGTs that rapidly chokeholded the economies of their respective countries in the following decades). In line with the great thinkers of the French Enlightenment, every man, woman and child on Earth was reduced in the minds of the Vital Centrist to an interchangeable algebraic entity. Once this premise is accepted, the question of (for example) “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.

    “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.

    So true, well stated. It is interesting to me that in order to get French support in 1776, we included lines about all men being equal in the Declaration of Independence. But when the war was over, and it was time to get serious among ourselves, none of that silliness was in our Constitution.

    Unfortunately, it crept in later.

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    I don’t think the desire for French support had much to do with the phrase “All men are created equal,” which was decidedly Lockean in origin, and more importantly the ancien régime France of the time was most definitely NOT an egalitarian society. Louis XVI may have been sympathetic to the travails of the Third Estate but he wasn’t about to elevate them in terms of relative status until he was forced; he may have been more or less enthusiastic about a number of the proposed rationalizing reforms (such as the administrative division of the country into départements) but he wasn’t a Cartesian in his mores or his deepest convictions.

    The French court did contain elements sympathetic to the ideas of the Enlightenment but most of them weren’t about “egalitarianism” so much as they were about breaking the chokehold of “privileges” they considered (not without reason) were holding back the country’s productive capacities. Of course, any actual reform in that configuration was impossible, because nearly all of the courtisans benefitted from one or another such privilege and would bitterly oppose any “leveling” package which would destroy their own legal or customary advantages along with others’, whatever theories they might espouse. (Louis XVI understood this but was not strong-willed or imaginative enough to take the critical initiative of breaking the fundamental laws until he was forced from the outside, and thus even though there weren’t even ten republicans in France on the eve of the Revolution, the force of this “outside disruption” quickly proved too much for the monarchy to withstand or to harness.) The courtisans who became enthusiastic liberals and/or egalitarians when the Revolution did break out had a lot of incentive, once their old privileges were lost forever (though of course they would never have surrendered them on their own volition), to adapt to the new environment. Some of the turncoats were mighty flagrant. If « Philippe Égalité » (real name Louis Philippe d’Orléans) voted for the execution of his cousin the king, it was not for any real conviction of heart that his choice of first names desperately declared, but rather out of hope that *he* would be chosen to reign as bourgeois monarch over the new rationalistic state. (Hilarious too is how hard the Dukes of Orléans so long tried to appear “bourgeois” despite representing one of the oldest families of nobility of the sword. The current Duke, Henri, has tried to create a significant support base by courting the Catholic and traditionalist faction that he can wed to his longtime family bourgeois connections but as a divorced and remarried Freemason he’s always going to be a tough sell with Catholics.)

    France’s decision to intervene in America was thus, not surprisingly, pure self-interest. After the disaster of the Seven Years’ War, this was the perfect opportunity to get revenge on England and to split the gestating British imperial machine in two, in vitro.
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  94. @Another Canadian
    So isn't Steele a British spy who has been caught trying to influence an American presidential election? So why aren't the Americans all over the British government for attempting to tamper with American elections? They seem to obsess with the Russians.

    That’s an Anglo-American Empire thing. We’re all the same, don’t you know. Israel and Saudia Arabia, and heck all of NATO, too. It’s the Nato-Anglo-American-Saudi-Israelian Empire.

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  95. @Lagertha
    I think what really frustrates me ( sheesh!) is that my grandfather always knew how the Bolsheviks would play the Americans...it is happening this week...and crickets............. It is in the middle east, now, but, the American media ignores the middle east The American media is complicit in the deaths of Syrian and Palestinian children. And, has been during Obama's regime. Clinton and Obama gave a rat's ass about the Middle East.

    This is my biggest worry. Americans are being played…and they think they can euthanize the wild dog, Trump, at the same time. Is Trump an old man, yes; was he important, yes. Trump will serve out his term.

    Sorry…btw, for all you liberals trolling our fun time, 4Chan and Reddit kids are on your fracking tail…along with very unsavory Macedonians, Young Greeks that are really vengeful at the EU, smattering of ISIS. Right now, to destroy the FBI/CIA/NSA,; expose Clintons/Soros/Obamas is too big…and, it is out of control – most of the people attacking them are under 17! hahhahhaaaa!

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  96. Russians are exploiting the Democrats’ “soft socialism” in a big way – have been since the Clinton administration – it frustrates me, so much, that no one has not seen this.

    So, the Democrats are playing into Russian hands by trying to Romanoff Trump & his family, on false allegations, or fracking, anything. However, this leaves behind a shit ton of people who will then Romanoff the Dems of their state, and so on, and so on.

    SO, everyone digresses to the time of Lagertha: kill or be killed. Yey. I still have very good weapons. Human beings need walls because they are envious, vengeful, mean & selfish creatures. We have not changed: we could not change wolves to not kill Bison in Wyoming….so, stfu, I say.

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  97. @Jim Don Bob

    But for what? And who approves these missions and who promised a million bucks cash w no strings attached?
     
    You get promoted at the CIA for "developing sources". Seems that nobody ever thinks to check what these sources tell us.

    2) I smell BS here. The CIA was looking for dirt on Trump. Then when they realized they'd been rolled, they made up this "we were buying back the cyber hacking tools" story to cover their butts.

    The CIA was looking for dirt on Trump. Then when they realized they’d been rolled, they made up this “we were buying back the cyber hacking tools” story to cover their butts.

    Exactly. See comment above.

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  98. @Anonymous

    “Why should I assume a random Protestant Anglo-American agent will be more reliable than a random Bosnian Muslim one?” which would have been (rightly) regarded as a stupid question by anyone who considers human experience (both individual and collective) a valid source of truth, is suddenly thrown into utmost doubt.
     
    So true, well stated. It is interesting to me that in order to get French support in 1776, we included lines about all men being equal in the Declaration of Independence. But when the war was over, and it was time to get serious among ourselves, none of that silliness was in our Constitution.

    Unfortunately, it crept in later.

    I don’t think the desire for French support had much to do with the phrase “All men are created equal,” which was decidedly Lockean in origin, and more importantly the ancien régime France of the time was most definitely NOT an egalitarian society. Louis XVI may have been sympathetic to the travails of the Third Estate but he wasn’t about to elevate them in terms of relative status until he was forced; he may have been more or less enthusiastic about a number of the proposed rationalizing reforms (such as the administrative division of the country into départements) but he wasn’t a Cartesian in his mores or his deepest convictions.

    The French court did contain elements sympathetic to the ideas of the Enlightenment but most of them weren’t about “egalitarianism” so much as they were about breaking the chokehold of “privileges” they considered (not without reason) were holding back the country’s productive capacities. Of course, any actual reform in that configuration was impossible, because nearly all of the courtisans benefitted from one or another such privilege and would bitterly oppose any “leveling” package which would destroy their own legal or customary advantages along with others’, whatever theories they might espouse. (Louis XVI understood this but was not strong-willed or imaginative enough to take the critical initiative of breaking the fundamental laws until he was forced from the outside, and thus even though there weren’t even ten republicans in France on the eve of the Revolution, the force of this “outside disruption” quickly proved too much for the monarchy to withstand or to harness.) The courtisans who became enthusiastic liberals and/or egalitarians when the Revolution did break out had a lot of incentive, once their old privileges were lost forever (though of course they would never have surrendered them on their own volition), to adapt to the new environment. Some of the turncoats were mighty flagrant. If « Philippe Égalité » (real name Louis Philippe d’Orléans) voted for the execution of his cousin the king, it was not for any real conviction of heart that his choice of first names desperately declared, but rather out of hope that *he* would be chosen to reign as bourgeois monarch over the new rationalistic state. (Hilarious too is how hard the Dukes of Orléans so long tried to appear “bourgeois” despite representing one of the oldest families of nobility of the sword. The current Duke, Henri, has tried to create a significant support base by courting the Catholic and traditionalist faction that he can wed to his longtime family bourgeois connections but as a divorced and remarried Freemason he’s always going to be a tough sell with Catholics.)

    France’s decision to intervene in America was thus, not surprisingly, pure self-interest. After the disaster of the Seven Years’ War, this was the perfect opportunity to get revenge on England and to split the gestating British imperial machine in two, in vitro.

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  99. ‘“The distinction between an organized criminal and a Russian intelligence officer and a Russian who knows some Russian intel guys — it all blurs together,” said Steven L. Hall, the former chief of Russia operations at the C.I.A.’

    This is the underlying con of CIA’s war propaganda against Russia. They call every shady Russian a Kremlin official. They even call lots of Eastern Europeans Kremlin official. CIA abuses sources and methods protection to keep the names from being disclosed and researched.

    When the Soviet Union fell, CIA looted the hell out of it. Their residual sources are the oligarchs who looted Russia – Russian kleptocrats and traitors. So when you hear sources being discussed, Russian intelligence means CIA agent.

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