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From the NYT:

Marco Rubio Pushed for Immigration Reform With Conservative Media
By JASON HOROWITZ FEB. 27, 2016

A few weeks after Senator Marco Rubio joined a bipartisan push for an immigration overhaul in 2013, he arrived alongside Senator Chuck Schumer at the executive dining room of News Corporation’s Manhattan headquarters for dinner.

Their mission was to persuade Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the media empire, and Roger Ailes, the chairman and chief executive of its Fox News division, to keep the network’s on-air personalities from savaging the legislation and give it a fighting chance at survival.

Mr. Murdoch, an advocate of immigration reform, and Mr. Ailes, his top lieutenant and the most powerful man in conservative television, agreed at the Jan. 17, 2013, meeting to give the senators some breathing room.

The big lie that Schumer-Rubio had to have was to not use the word “amnesty” to describe the amnesty bill.

But the media executives, highly attuned to the intensifying anger in the Republican grass roots, warned that the senators also needed to make their case to Rush Limbaugh, the king of conservative talk radio, who held enormous sway with the party’s largely anti-immigrant base.

So the senators supporting the legislation turned to Mr. Rubio, the Florida Republican, to reach out to Mr. Limbaugh.

The dinner at News Corporation headquarters — which has not been previously reported — and the subsequent outreach to Mr. Limbaugh illustrate the degree to which Mr. Rubio served as the chief envoy to the conservative media for the group supporting the legislation. The bill would have provided a pathway to American citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants along with measures to secure the borders and ensure that foreigners left the United States upon the expiration of their visas.

It is a history that Mr. Rubio is not eager to highlight as he takes on Donald J. Trump, his rival for the Republican presidential nomination, who has made his vow to crack down on illegal immigration a centerpiece of his campaign. …

The senators embarked on a tour of editorial boards and newsrooms, and Mr. Rubio was even featured as the “Republican savior” on the cover of Time magazine for his efforts to change immigration laws. He already was being mentioned as a 2016 presidential contender.

It’s bizarre how it seemed perfectly sensible to the media that the Republican establishment thought it a good idea to use a Hispanic to demand special privileges for Hispanics. Why would anybody think that is politically astute? Why would Rubio’s self-interest — Elect a new people who would be more likely to elect me! — make him more persuasive to non-Hispanics? It’s the opposite of sensible political salesmanship.

Now Mr. Trump has become the Republican leader in national polls by picking fights with Mr. Ailes and offending the Latino voters whom Mr. Rubio had hoped to bring into the Republican fold. …

As early as March 9, 2011, Mr. Schumer joined Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and another eventual member of the Gang of Eight, at the Palm restaurant in Manhattan, where they made their case to Mr. Murdoch, Mr. Ailes and Mr. Limbaugh in a private room. The senators argued how damaging the word “amnesty” was to their efforts, and walked Mr. Limbaugh through their vision for an immigration overhaul.

The shamelessness with which the media agreed not to call the amnesty bill “amnesty” remains striking. The NYT, of course, was particularly disingenuous.

Of course, as Reg Caesar has pointed out, the Schumer-Rubio bill wasn’t really an amnesty bill because it was more generous than amnesty. A genuine amnesty bill would say: “You have to stop breaking the law, but we won’t throw you in prison for having broken it in the past if you leave the country now.” The Schumer-Rubio bill allowed the lawbreakers to continue breaking the law.

The senators were especially eager to try to neutralize conservative media, which proved lethal to a big push for immigration changes in 2007. A study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism showed that conservative news shows had devoted about a quarter of their time to immigration.

In late 2012, after Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee, lost the presidential election in part because of his dismal performance with Latino voters, Mr. Rubio joined the fight. On one Sunday alone in April 2013, he made an appearance on seven talk shows to advocate the immigration overhaul, including on “Fox News Sunday.”

Mr. Rubio also reached out to other conservative power brokers, including the radio hosts Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham, telling them that the legislation did not amount to amnesty.

I do think that word means what you think it means.

The Fox anchors Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly became more supportive.

At the time, The Washington Post reported that Mr. Rubio’s advisers were monitoring to the minute how much time the hosts devoted to immigration, and that “they are heartened that the volume is much diminished.”

Keep the people from noticing that the government is electing a new people.

Mr. Rubio publicly and privately worked to assuage the fears of Mr. Limbaugh, who on air called him a “thoroughbred conservative” and assured one wary listener that “Marco Rubio is not out to hurt this country or change it the way the liberals are.”

On Jan. 29, 2013, the same day Mr. Obama highlighted immigration in Las Vegas, Mr. Limbaugh had Mr. Rubio on as a guest to talk about immigration and called him “admirable and noteworthy” during a warm conversation about the bipartisan immigration plan.

“I know for you border security is the first and last — if that doesn’t happen, none of the rest does, right?” Mr. Limbaugh lobbed.

“Well, not just that,” swung Mr. Rubio. “That alone is not enough.”

A Big Lie.

And the politicians and media are still baffled by the rise of Trump …

 
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  1. I really have to wonder why we’re seeing this news from three years ago on the NYT now, in what might be the most important (i.e., maybe the last, for all practical purposes) weekend of Rubio’s campaign. Honest journalistic integrity, to show Republican voters the man they might be electing? Or a troll, to ensure the nomination of Trump (whom I assume most NYT reporters would assume is unelectable)?

    • Replies: @Jamie_NYC
    Yes, it seems that NYT firmly believes that Hillary would beat Trump, while her prospects against Rubio are more uncertain.
  2. This piece quotes the NY Times as saying “The bill would have provided a pathway to American citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants along with measures to secure the borders and ensure that foreigners left the United States upon the expiration of their visas.”
    This is absolutely false. The Rubio Schumer bill had nothing binding about enforcement. It called for the Homeland Security Secretary to come up with a “plan.” If after a few years DHS did not produce a plan a “commission” of border state governors would be formed to produce a “plan.” In the meantime the amnesty would go through.
    When many Republican legislators complained about the absolute lack of enforcement in the Rubio Schumer bill, Schumer replied that any attempt to write enforcement into the law was a “deal killer.”
    Every attempt to put amendments mandating enforcement was defeated in the Senate

  3. Peggy Noonan danced near the truth in her WSJ column of Feb. 25th (behind-paywall Op-Ed, complete text elsewhere on the web).

    If you are an unprotected American—one with limited resources and negligible access to power—you have absorbed some lessons from the past 20 years’ experience of illegal immigration. You know the Democrats won’t protect you and the Republicans won’t help you. Both parties refused to control the border. The Republicans were afraid of being called illiberal, racist, of losing a demographic for a generation. The Democrats wanted to keep the issue alive to use it as a wedge against the Republicans and to establish themselves as owners of the Hispanic vote.

    That would be a good essay, if the Republican elites and donors were “afraid” of mass immigration. As iSteve readers know — and as the NYT piece in Steve’s OP shows — they embrace mass immigration.

    For business owners, this is based on a realistic view of their class interests. Namely, higher ROI thanks to lower-paid and more-tractable employees. For politicians, it’s the gusher of donations from the capitalists, and the intoxicating delusion that masses of pliable low-information amnestied mestizos will vote the straight Elephant ticket. And for the consultant class, the Willie Sutton explanation suffices.

  4. Man I hope this story goes out of control like a a summer fire in California and Fox News burns to the fucking ground.

    • Agree: MG
    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Trump tweeted out the link to the story about 7 hours ago. Hopefully he hammers it hard. I am also awaiting Rush Limbaugh's take on his Monday broadcast.
  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Rush Limbaugh is worth over $400 million (double Romney’s net worth). He made a lot of money off the class of Americans who will be further hurt by the increasing illegal immigration and third-worldization of this country. But I guess if they just keep hammering on Reagan, the Constitution, conservative principles, rugged individualism, et al., it will simply foster a cognitive dissonance between the globalism preached and pushed by mainstream conservatism and the America they knew and love vanishing in front of their eyes.

    http://celebnetwealth.com/top-100-forbes-rush-limbaugh-net-worth/

    • Replies: @Chiron
    Brutal, thanks.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. '90's to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn't be bothered and "hadn't studied the issue yet". By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. "Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They'll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you'll look even more like a kingmaker. You'll like that, right Rush?"

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn't like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don't have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.
  6. Leftist conservative [AKA "Trump Kills Last Mosquito, Places Tiny Make America Great Hat On ZikaHead Baby"] says: • Website

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    Rubio's mother has always been a US citizen hasn't she? I believe she came from Delaware.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Trump kills last mosquito, whatever, Is that our resident Hispanic humorist, Chico Caldera in the child seat. Cute kid that Chico.
  7. Mr. Murdoch, an advocate of immigration reform…

    Just as Libertarian Ed Clark was derided as a “low-tax” liberal in 1980, so is Murdoch a low-tax Soros. Send ’em both back whence they drifted.

  8. If Rubio coordinated with media to push the Gang of 8 bill, then I wouldn’t be surprised if the powers that be are pushing this story to finally sink Rubio, get the establishment cucks all in a panic, and then have Romney swoop in to save the day and everyone, sighing with relief, will rush to him as the savior. It looks better for Romney to come in as a savior rather than just another guy who is now competing with Rubio for the mainstream lane. Savior has more drama than being another “also ran.”

    Everyone had their shot and they couldn’t close the deal. What is going to create a surge for Rubio or even Cruz? Romney would be the dramatic dues ex machina for the panicking diehards and his entry would capture a number of news cycles. That’s how depleted the Republican presidential bench is – Romney lost Super Tuesday in 2008, lost the election in 2012, but is now seen as the savior of the party in 2016. Keep repeating what fails but hope that this time it will work.

    Why didn’t Romney endorse Rubio before Super Tuesday, a time when Rubio really needs a boost in order to catch Trump?

    This NYT story can’t be news to the press, they’ve had to have known for a long time. Maybe they were holding it back to release it against Rubio at a critical time in order to help Hilary but now seeing that Rubio is floundering maybe it was a use it or lose it decision point.

    I still like my Romney conspiracy better. That would give Trump a fresh target to wail against. That would be fun.

    • Replies: @Cicatrizatic
    Roger Stone says that if Rubio loses FL, Romney will enter the race solely in an attempt to win just enough states and delegates necessary to deny Trump the number of delegates required to win the nomination outright. I dont see this working though. Why would Cruz and Carson voters go for Romney instead of Trump? It will smack of complete and total desperation. Based on some recent polling, it looks like Trump's ceiling could move to somewhere between 50-65% if the race is reduced to just two candidates.
  9. So let’s see – Rubio, the entire GOP Establishment and its minions in conservative media were engaged in a conspiracy to destroy our nation. The same people who now tell us that Trump must be stopped at any cost. Fox, O’Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Levin – traitors all.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    . The same people who now tell us that Trump must be stopped at any cost. Fox, O’Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Levin – traitors all.
     
    Actually Rush is not against Trump. He has been very favorable of Trump's campaign. He will not endorse a nominee in the primary, which he has never done. But I clearly get the message he will support Trump in the general election. OTOH, Beck has announced he will oppose Trump if he is the eventual GOP nominee.
  10. @Anonymous
    Rush Limbaugh is worth over $400 million (double Romney's net worth). He made a lot of money off the class of Americans who will be further hurt by the increasing illegal immigration and third-worldization of this country. But I guess if they just keep hammering on Reagan, the Constitution, conservative principles, rugged individualism, et al., it will simply foster a cognitive dissonance between the globalism preached and pushed by mainstream conservatism and the America they knew and love vanishing in front of their eyes.

    http://celebnetwealth.com/top-100-forbes-rush-limbaugh-net-worth/

    Brutal, thanks.

  11. When Romney was attacked about his taxes in 2012, Trump stood up for him.
    I find Romney of less than honourable character.

  12. Much like Ted Kennedy in ’65, Marco got rolled by the crafty jew.

    • Replies: @Matra
    No one rolled Ted Kennedy.
  13. We really need a Cuban-American Heritage month or school module. I’m drawing a blank as to what that demographic has given the rest of us beyond shady FL businessmen and politicians, crappy music and bad actors. They are a particularly noxious group, combining chauvinism, American Exceptionalist militarism and multi-culti rent-seeking and hustling, all the worse aspects of the GOP and the Democrats.

    The Haitians haven’t been nearly as troublesome.

    What comes of giving a group perks.

  14. @Leftist conservative
    http://i.imgur.com/kVaRAf7.jpg

    Rubio’s mother has always been a US citizen hasn’t she? I believe she came from Delaware.

    • Replies: @unadorned
    No, it's Cruz's mother who was born in Delaware. Both of Rubio's parents were born in Cuba.
    , @Glaivester
    No, that was Cruz's mother who was from Delaware. Rubio's parents are both Cuban.
  15. @TangoMan
    If Rubio coordinated with media to push the Gang of 8 bill, then I wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be are pushing this story to finally sink Rubio, get the establishment cucks all in a panic, and then have Romney swoop in to save the day and everyone, sighing with relief, will rush to him as the savior. It looks better for Romney to come in as a savior rather than just another guy who is now competing with Rubio for the mainstream lane. Savior has more drama than being another "also ran."

    Everyone had their shot and they couldn't close the deal. What is going to create a surge for Rubio or even Cruz? Romney would be the dramatic dues ex machina for the panicking diehards and his entry would capture a number of news cycles. That's how depleted the Republican presidential bench is - Romney lost Super Tuesday in 2008, lost the election in 2012, but is now seen as the savior of the party in 2016. Keep repeating what fails but hope that this time it will work.

    Why didn't Romney endorse Rubio before Super Tuesday, a time when Rubio really needs a boost in order to catch Trump?

    This NYT story can't be news to the press, they've had to have known for a long time. Maybe they were holding it back to release it against Rubio at a critical time in order to help Hilary but now seeing that Rubio is floundering maybe it was a use it or lose it decision point.

    I still like my Romney conspiracy better. That would give Trump a fresh target to wail against. That would be fun.

    Roger Stone says that if Rubio loses FL, Romney will enter the race solely in an attempt to win just enough states and delegates necessary to deny Trump the number of delegates required to win the nomination outright. I dont see this working though. Why would Cruz and Carson voters go for Romney instead of Trump? It will smack of complete and total desperation. Based on some recent polling, it looks like Trump’s ceiling could move to somewhere between 50-65% if the race is reduced to just two candidates.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What’s going on with Rubio’s flunkies on Twitter right now is a sight to behold. When Christie endorsed, they clearly got the “fear” and everybody from his campaign managers to NRO to low level conservative sites to hack right wing new media guys have been attacking Trump as a conman. The attacks are so coordinated and so on message and so obviously doomed, you have to wonder if whoever it is that pulls the strings behind the scenes made some angry phone calls and these guys started seeing their jobs on the chopping block. As long as Rubio is the nominee, whether he wins or loses in November, they still have employment. That’s why the “conservative movement” is so terrible. They’re happy to concede to the left as long as they get the contract to put together oppo commercials in Iowa or whatever. Trump’s changing that. That’s why their attacks against him are so passionate.

  17. @Thomas
    I really have to wonder why we're seeing this news from three years ago on the NYT now, in what might be the most important (i.e., maybe the last, for all practical purposes) weekend of Rubio's campaign. Honest journalistic integrity, to show Republican voters the man they might be electing? Or a troll, to ensure the nomination of Trump (whom I assume most NYT reporters would assume is unelectable)?

    Yes, it seems that NYT firmly believes that Hillary would beat Trump, while her prospects against Rubio are more uncertain.

  18. Leftist conservative [AKA "Trump Kills Last Mosquito, Places Tiny Make America Great Hat On ZikaHead Baby"] says: • Website

    Limbaugh is part of the establishment, too. But as for Laura Ingraham, I don’t believe it. She has been steadfastly against immigration for years, I believe.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I don't see how Rush gets roped into this. Perhaps most of his detractors stopped listening to hiom years ago and haven't checked in lately.

    He's been very strong on immigration for the last three years, when I started listening to him again. I felt he ignored the issue when Bush was promoting amnesty, but lately he's been a strong advocate for the Trump program.
  19. Not sure GOPe grasps NOBODY wants to see another scared Romney campaign. What’s the rationale for it; more bending over and taking it for the mostly white working and middle class while he spouts platitudes about S corps. and marginal tax rates? In a perfect world, may be. But in one where the GOPe has advocated against the interests of their own base fro decades. In fact it might be fun to see Trump dunk tank another hack like a rented goalie.

  20. @Anonymous
    Rush Limbaugh is worth over $400 million (double Romney's net worth). He made a lot of money off the class of Americans who will be further hurt by the increasing illegal immigration and third-worldization of this country. But I guess if they just keep hammering on Reagan, the Constitution, conservative principles, rugged individualism, et al., it will simply foster a cognitive dissonance between the globalism preached and pushed by mainstream conservatism and the America they knew and love vanishing in front of their eyes.

    http://celebnetwealth.com/top-100-forbes-rush-limbaugh-net-worth/

    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. ’90’s to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn’t be bothered and “hadn’t studied the issue yet”. By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. “Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They’ll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you’ll look even more like a kingmaker. You’ll like that, right Rush?”

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn’t like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don’t have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    The sad fact is so many people think he is actually knowledgeable about the things he talks about. The reality is far different and especially when he tries to use his dimwitted analogies. Once he was comparing healthcare to choosing a hotel room. He tried to make it seem like the average person can make an informed rational decision about healthcare and it's costs like you can decide which hotel chain suits your pocketbook.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    And don't forget, he sat out the Prop 8 fight here in CA back in 2008. It was a winner, and yet he chose to remain largely silent about it.

    He's a conservative, but I don't think he really knows why.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. “Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense.

    But the fact is, RUSH DIDN'T DO THAT. He hasn't been following the playbook you're describing. He's been anti-immigration for years now. He been a tacit supporter of Trump.
    , @Jill
    I can only think of one truly conservative law that was passed in the last couple of decades and that is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993.

    We've been had.
  21. If only the Czechs and Poles had provided a Pathway to Citizenship for the Wehrmacht, think of all the unpleasantness that could have been avoided from 1937-1945.

  22. Murdoch has been Chamber of Commerce ‘open borders’ all along–he didn’t need any convincing about linguistics. Limbaugh? I don’t listen to him, so I wouldn’t know if he was softened by such arguments to avoid the use of the word amnesty.

    On principle, but especially politics, the Gang of 8 was an attempt to bring a Gang of 14-like compromise to the Senate, with Republicans kow-towing to the lapdog media’s braying to end gridlock, get to work, and compromise with (give-in to) Democrats. In reality, a total capitulation to Democrats.

    Republicans keep flirting with the lapdog media, but she always goes home with the Democrats. Republican beta-boys never learn.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Limbaugh? I don’t listen to him, so I wouldn’t know if he was softened by such arguments to avoid the use of the word amnesty.

    I commend you for saying that since you don't listen to Limbaugh, you don't assume he caved to Murdoch. Others non-listeners seem to have no hesitation about doing so.

    Sean Hannity did cave, though--immediately the 2012 election he was saying we needed some sort of amnesty. This didn't sit well with his audience, though, and I think he backed away from it.
  23. @Blobby5
    Much like Ted Kennedy in '65, Marco got rolled by the crafty jew.

    No one rolled Ted Kennedy.

    • Replies: @Blobby5
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-ted-kennedy-immigration-act-not.html


    This sums up how Fredo Kennedy was duped very nicely.
    , @iSteveFan
    No, Teddy was a willing supporter. But I wonder had the Gang of 8 bill gone into law, would it be known today as "Marco's" law like the 1965 law is called "Teddy's"?

    Is that really fair to the brains behind the measures, Celler and Schumer, that they get no credit?
  24. @Matra
    No one rolled Ted Kennedy.

    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-ted-kennedy-immigration-act-not.html

    This sums up how Fredo Kennedy was duped very nicely.

  25. @Kyle a
    Man I hope this story goes out of control like a a summer fire in California and Fox News burns to the fucking ground.

    Trump tweeted out the link to the story about 7 hours ago. Hopefully he hammers it hard. I am also awaiting Rush Limbaugh’s take on his Monday broadcast.

  26. @Matra
    No one rolled Ted Kennedy.

    No, Teddy was a willing supporter. But I wonder had the Gang of 8 bill gone into law, would it be known today as “Marco’s” law like the 1965 law is called “Teddy’s”?

    Is that really fair to the brains behind the measures, Celler and Schumer, that they get no credit?

  27. @MG
    So let's see - Rubio, the entire GOP Establishment and its minions in conservative media were engaged in a conspiracy to destroy our nation. The same people who now tell us that Trump must be stopped at any cost. Fox, O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Levin - traitors all.

    . The same people who now tell us that Trump must be stopped at any cost. Fox, O’Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Levin – traitors all.

    Actually Rush is not against Trump. He has been very favorable of Trump’s campaign. He will not endorse a nominee in the primary, which he has never done. But I clearly get the message he will support Trump in the general election. OTOH, Beck has announced he will oppose Trump if he is the eventual GOP nominee.

  28. @antipater_1
    Rubio's mother has always been a US citizen hasn't she? I believe she came from Delaware.

    No, it’s Cruz’s mother who was born in Delaware. Both of Rubio’s parents were born in Cuba.

  29. Rush almost single handedly defeated the amnesty bill that Bush tried to cram through in 2008. I remember the broadcast vividly. He was the one who notified the rank and file that the bill was effectively amnesty. The Establishment eventually relented after a thousands of phone calls from Rush-inspired voters.

    I haven’t listened to Rush very much in the last few years and it may indeed be true that he was MIA in the fight against amnesty in 2013, but I’d like to hear his side before judging him. He has earned that.

    • Agree: CJ
  30. Mr. Rubio publicly and privately worked to assuage the fears of Mr. Limbaugh, who on air called him a “thoroughbred conservative” and assured one wary listener that “Marco Rubio is not out to hurt this country or change it the way the liberals are.

    Which is, of course, a complete lie. Mass immigration of Hispanic Mestizos is changing Anglo-America in a very fundamental way.

  31. This is why I believe Google and Facebook stock is overvalued. The average person has a pretty decent bullshit detector and isn’t so easily persuaded by what he sees flashing on his video screen.

  32. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. '90's to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn't be bothered and "hadn't studied the issue yet". By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. "Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They'll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you'll look even more like a kingmaker. You'll like that, right Rush?"

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn't like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don't have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.

    The sad fact is so many people think he is actually knowledgeable about the things he talks about. The reality is far different and especially when he tries to use his dimwitted analogies. Once he was comparing healthcare to choosing a hotel room. He tried to make it seem like the average person can make an informed rational decision about healthcare and it’s costs like you can decide which hotel chain suits your pocketbook.

  33. Maybe they can give it the broom, but this is the sort of thing that can collapse an operation like Fox. They exist simply because their viewers trust them to play it straight. The polling shows that close to 70% of GOP voters feel betrayed by their party. The people tuning into Fox have been led to believe that Fox shares their views. That’s impossible now.

    Limbaugh has been showing signs that the years of substance abuse are taking their toll. He used to be deft enough to avoid these problems. In his prime, he would have cheered all sides in this primary pretending to be happy with any of them. But then again, Norman Braman’s money can buy a lot of crank.

  34. @Leftist conservative
    http://i.imgur.com/kVaRAf7.jpg

    Trump kills last mosquito, whatever, Is that our resident Hispanic humorist, Chico Caldera in the child seat. Cute kid that Chico.

  35. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. '90's to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn't be bothered and "hadn't studied the issue yet". By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. "Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They'll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you'll look even more like a kingmaker. You'll like that, right Rush?"

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn't like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don't have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.

    And don’t forget, he sat out the Prop 8 fight here in CA back in 2008. It was a winner, and yet he chose to remain largely silent about it.

    He’s a conservative, but I don’t think he really knows why.

  36. @antipater_1
    Rubio's mother has always been a US citizen hasn't she? I believe she came from Delaware.

    No, that was Cruz’s mother who was from Delaware. Rubio’s parents are both Cuban.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    Another important fun point: both Rubio and Cruz's parents came here in the 1950s, when immigration was severely restricted. As did Steve Jobs' father. This sort of belies the "we won't get good people if we don't open the floodgates to everyone" blather.
  37. @Glaivester
    No, that was Cruz's mother who was from Delaware. Rubio's parents are both Cuban.

    Another important fun point: both Rubio and Cruz’s parents came here in the 1950s, when immigration was severely restricted. As did Steve Jobs’ father. This sort of belies the “we won’t get good people if we don’t open the floodgates to everyone” blather.

  38. “It’s bizarre how it seemed perfectly sensible to the media that the Republican establishment thought it a good idea to use a Hispanic to demand special privileges for Hispanics. Why would anybody think that is politically astute?”

    The GOP establishment only cares about free trade, business opportunities for the donors, tax cuts for the rich, not making the rich pay for anything, maintaining jobs for conservatism, inc. types, and unconditionally supporting Israel. In that light, it’s not hard to determine their calculus: demographic changes are making it harder for conservatism, inc. to win elections; therefore, throw working class whites (people they don’t care about or advocate for) under a bus and embrace Hispanics in a desperate attempt to maintain the status quo for the establishment – candidates that support tax cuts for the rich AND can still win elections without abandoning establishment priorities. Seems bizarre, but only to those looking inside.

  39. @Leftist conservative
    Limbaugh is part of the establishment, too. But as for Laura Ingraham, I don't believe it. She has been steadfastly against immigration for years, I believe.

    I don’t see how Rush gets roped into this. Perhaps most of his detractors stopped listening to hiom years ago and haven’t checked in lately.

    He’s been very strong on immigration for the last three years, when I started listening to him again. I felt he ignored the issue when Bush was promoting amnesty, but lately he’s been a strong advocate for the Trump program.

  40. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. '90's to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn't be bothered and "hadn't studied the issue yet". By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. "Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They'll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you'll look even more like a kingmaker. You'll like that, right Rush?"

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn't like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don't have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.

    Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. “Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense.

    But the fact is, RUSH DIDN’T DO THAT. He hasn’t been following the playbook you’re describing. He’s been anti-immigration for years now. He been a tacit supporter of Trump.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    While he has been anti-illegal immigration, he has not embraced a moratorium on immigration. While he agrees the jobs Americans won't do meme is bogus, he seems to be weak on guest workers. He is no Sessions.
    , @MarkinLA
    As I remember the push for the Gang of 8 bill as I listened to him in the morning, he wasn't particularly vocal about opposition to the bill itself. I don't remember any attempts to pick it apart and point out the lies and cancellation clauses common to these bait-and-switch crap sandwiches like Sessions was doing on the Senate floor. In fact, I don't remember Rush saying much about Sessions actions at all.

    The one thing I do remember is that Zuckerberg's PAC was advertising a ton on his EIB network with those underhanded ads asking you if you wanted border security and blah, blah, blah. You were then asked to call some 800 number where you would likely be routed to your congressman and told to tell him that you support "Citizens for all that is good" or whatever they called themselves all the time thinking you were opposing amnesty but were making a call in support of the Gang of 8 bill.

  41. @Forbes
    Murdoch has been Chamber of Commerce 'open borders' all along--he didn't need any convincing about linguistics. Limbaugh? I don't listen to him, so I wouldn't know if he was softened by such arguments to avoid the use of the word amnesty.

    On principle, but especially politics, the Gang of 8 was an attempt to bring a Gang of 14-like compromise to the Senate, with Republicans kow-towing to the lapdog media's braying to end gridlock, get to work, and compromise with (give-in to) Democrats. In reality, a total capitulation to Democrats.

    Republicans keep flirting with the lapdog media, but she always goes home with the Democrats. Republican beta-boys never learn.

    Limbaugh? I don’t listen to him, so I wouldn’t know if he was softened by such arguments to avoid the use of the word amnesty.

    I commend you for saying that since you don’t listen to Limbaugh, you don’t assume he caved to Murdoch. Others non-listeners seem to have no hesitation about doing so.

    Sean Hannity did cave, though–immediately the 2012 election he was saying we needed some sort of amnesty. This didn’t sit well with his audience, though, and I think he backed away from it.

  42. @Harry Baldwin
    Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. “Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense.

    But the fact is, RUSH DIDN'T DO THAT. He hasn't been following the playbook you're describing. He's been anti-immigration for years now. He been a tacit supporter of Trump.

    While he has been anti-illegal immigration, he has not embraced a moratorium on immigration. While he agrees the jobs Americans won’t do meme is bogus, he seems to be weak on guest workers. He is no Sessions.

  43. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So on one level, Rush was actively contributing to the push for Amnesty. Peter Brimelow called it right some years ago: Rush has been largely AWOL on immigration, and now we know why. When Peter first asked him in the mid. '90's to give support to patriotic immigration reform, Rush couldn't be bothered and "hadn't studied the issue yet". By 2011, he was eagerly helping Ailes, Murdoch, and Rubio. Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. "Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense. They'll buy it in no time. Oh, and Rubio will go on your show and you'll look even more like a kingmaker. You'll like that, right Rush?"

    What exactly has Rush done for ordinary working Americans? How exactly has he helped highlight fears, concerns, needs, etc. of ordinary folks? He sure doesn't like the minimum wage, hates high taxes, wants more capital gains reductions, but how exactly has he helped contribute to the dialogue of ordinary working Americans who don't have ginormous bank accounts?

    If its not part of the solution, then its part of the problem. Rush Limbaugh is part of the problem why the elites continue to push for Amnesty, even at the grass roots level.

    I can only think of one truly conservative law that was passed in the last couple of decades and that is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993.

    We’ve been had.

  44. Rubio is a dishonest shill for a dishonest cause.

    The establishment thinks Rubio is a diversity savior for the new Republican party. But whores can look down on him with a clear conscience, Guantanamo-Bay-murderer-defending lawyers admire his ‘flexibility’, and used-car salesmen see Rubio as a slightly inferior peer.

    I will not vote for Rubio – not today, nor ever – I will abstain from voting before I’ll participate in electing a traitor whose dishonesty has elevated him to the political forefront.

    To HELL with Marco Rubio. I’d take the disgusting, annoying, insipid, whiny debate-team-captain Cruz before I’d cast my lot with Rubio. And Cruz is not to be trusted.

    But I think Trump will get the Republican nomination.

    How Trump fares against the fingernails-on-the-chalkboard, salt-and-lemon-juice-on-a-paper-cut, ambassador of righteousness-holiness-Puritan-leftwing idiocy remains to be seen. But as a champion of tyranny Hillary makes Barak Who (is not) Sane Obama Nation look like a poseur.

    We live in interesting times.

  45. @Harry Baldwin
    Must have been fairly easy at that NY restaurant meeting. “Here, Rush, you know the yokels out in hinderland. Just keep yammering home the point that letting a few in is good patriotic stuff and if anyone asks about it, tell them its not Amnesty but makes good, common sense.

    But the fact is, RUSH DIDN'T DO THAT. He hasn't been following the playbook you're describing. He's been anti-immigration for years now. He been a tacit supporter of Trump.

    As I remember the push for the Gang of 8 bill as I listened to him in the morning, he wasn’t particularly vocal about opposition to the bill itself. I don’t remember any attempts to pick it apart and point out the lies and cancellation clauses common to these bait-and-switch crap sandwiches like Sessions was doing on the Senate floor. In fact, I don’t remember Rush saying much about Sessions actions at all.

    The one thing I do remember is that Zuckerberg’s PAC was advertising a ton on his EIB network with those underhanded ads asking you if you wanted border security and blah, blah, blah. You were then asked to call some 800 number where you would likely be routed to your congressman and told to tell him that you support “Citizens for all that is good” or whatever they called themselves all the time thinking you were opposing amnesty but were making a call in support of the Gang of 8 bill.

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