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A POLITICALLY INCORRECT FEMINIST

Phyllis Chesler helped found the women’s movement – but was kicked out for applying its principles to Muslim women.

October 17, 2018 by Bruce Bawer

Phyllis Chesler’s captivating new memoir, A Politically Incorrect Feminist: Creating a Movement with Bitches, Lunatics, Dykes, Prodigies, Warriors, and Wonder Women, is not a definitive history (it’s not meant to be) but is, rather, an utterly indispensable personal account of her experiences as part of a circle of “pioneers” of the modern women’s movement – some of them “dangerously intelligent,” most of them “radical thinkers,” all of them “champion hairsplitters” who “disagreed with each other with searing passion.” Among the members of this group, as she freely acknowledges, were “scoundrels, sadists, bullies, con artists, liars, loners, and incompetents, not to mention the high-functioning psychopaths, schizophrenics, manic depressives, and suicide artists.” Writes Chesler: “I loved them all.”

From first to last, Chesler has been a New York girl – born in Brooklyn, now (78 years later) resident on the Upper East Side. “Like all firstborn Orthodox Jewish girls,” she dryly informs us, “I was supposed to be a boy.” …

My theory is that a lot of 1969-era feminist rage was private family-based resentment and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole. It’s a pretty sensible ethnic tradition: rather than go public with your family grudges, you make the overall culture feel guilty for somehow causing your anger.

If, say, Donna Zuckerberg, Classics Ph.D., is being driven nuts by her brother Mark’s obsession with Augustus Caesar, well, don’t drag family business into it, explain that the real problem is Roissy and Roosh V.

Another difference between her and other leading feminists of her generation is that at a very early age she married a Muslim fellow student who swept her off her feet, flew her to Afghanistan, and held her captive there for several months (an experience recounted in her harrowing 2013 memoir An American Bride in Kabul). So unlike some feminists, she’s known all her adult life what a truly brutal patriarchy looks like – and has always been aware that America, whatever its faults, is “an exceptional country.”

Yet another difference: she was never a Marxist. …

She also helped pioneer Women’s Studies. “This,” she points out, “was long before Women’s Studies morphed into Gender Studies, which in turn morphed into LGBTQI studies and became a postcolonial and postmodern enterprise.” …

Chesler offers up plenty of juicy gossip about the sisterhood. Steinem had stage fright and kept asking Chesler “to help her learn how to express anger.” Friedan, “cantankerous, abusive, abrasive,” and “an out-of-control drunk,” resented Steinem’s fame, considered her “a lightweight people-pleaser” and “copycat,” and even accused her “of being a CIA agent.” Friedan didn’t get along with Abzug, either, because, as Chesler amusingly puts it, they were both “hot Jewish tamale[s].” Millett came on to Chesler, “telling me she was in love with me,” and wouldn’t take no for an answer, barraging her with flowers and phone messages. Chesler met Sontag when the latter was already a literary intellectual superstar, but Chesler found her “naive.” The journalist Jill Johnston, “a lesbian Pied Piper” whom “Dykes followed…everywhere,” asked Chesler: “Don’t you think the Jews are taking over our movement?….There are so many loud and pushy Jewish feminists in New York.”

In this book, Chesler admits something she’s never admitted before, barely even to herself: namely, “the extent to which so many of the most charismatic and original of feminist thinkers were mentally ill.”

That’s probably not all that unusual among intellectual pioneers (e.g., Goedel), but it’s a problem for a movement about Feelings (as Rousseau’s mental health problems were with his pioneering the post-Enlightenment).

She also tells an agonizing story about how some of the very women who stridently instructed the world that “sisterhood is powerful” utterly failed to stand up for Chesler, their bosom buddy, when she was raped by a man who, for reasons that were entirely reprehensible, they preferred not to call out.

But what really turned most of Chesler’s longtime cronies against her was her post-9/11 criticism of the systematic Islamic subordination of women …

 
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  1. Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    He must have been mentally ill too.
    , @Mr. Rational
    Sounds like something that should be added to her Infogalactic entry (which doesn't seem to exist yet).
    , @Big duck
    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up
    , @dearieme
    Yep. Who dat man? Someone rich, someone famous, someone politically powerful? A democrat, presumably?
    , @Buck Ransom
    It was a harrowing episode that happened at a small social gathering in suburban Maryland sometime during the summer of '82.
  2. Mentally ill feminists? Who could even imagine such a thing…

    • LOL: Bubba, Abe
    • Replies: @SFG
    Shulamith Firestone died alone in her apartment and the neighbors finally noticed the smell. Andrea Dworkin bloated up to hundreds of pounds. I'm sure you can find other examples.
    , @Sabril
    Yeah I think feminism is catnip for your typical woman with what used to be known as hysteria. Or basically any mental illness -- borderline personality disorder; compulsive overeating; nymphomania; manic depression; etc.

    Feminism tells all these women that it's ok to indulge their childish urges and that men are to blame for any problems.
    , @Bubba
    Kate Millet was a manic depressive who spent time in a mental hospital. Really sad story, but she helped ruin millions of lives of young women. Her story of mental illness is similar to most, if not all, feminists of her time.
  3. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.

    A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn’t tend to exist among other groups, or there’s some other factor behind this feminist rage.

    • Replies: @SFG
    You have a lot of very verbally bright people into leftism. It was probably kind of inevitable. That said the old patriarchal biases of traditional Judaism, as Steve has said, probably hit Jewish women hard, and they've been known for being annoying and nagging throughout Jewish folklore. Secularize them and, well--you know what followed.

    Europe had fewer Jews, and they still had feminism. If anything, it got further in Europe--'that's rape in Sweden' and so on. France actually doesn't allow men to ask for a paternity test without the woman's permission, and the Brits had rape prosecutors throwing away evidence that could have exculpated the men--it was a major scandal.

    That said, a Jewish woman is much, much more likely to be feminist than a (gentile) white or Asian woman of the same socioeconomic background. You can see why intermarriage rates are so high! (The comedians had a few jokes about this back in the day.)

    It probably would have happened no matter what--you don't need upper body strength for most jobs anymore, business wants more workers, etc. But the particular form it took ...
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds."

    One is committing the Sin Of Noticing, but look at the Wiki category “feminists by religion”. There’s certainly a YUGE over-representation of one religion.

    As of two weeks ago

    Feminists categorized by known religious (or ethnoreligious) affiliation.
    Subcategories

    This category has the following 8 subcategories, out of 8 total.

    B Buddhist feminists‎ (17 P)
    C Christian feminists‎ (7 C, 35 P)
    H Hindu feminists‎ (1 P)
    I Islamic feminists‎ (69 P)
    J Jewish feminists‎ (277 P)
    S Sikh feminists‎ (2 P)
    U Universalist feminists‎ (1 C)
    W Wiccan feminists‎ (10 P)
     
    And if you look at the talk on that topic, you’ll see Wiki editors actually being politically neutral.

    This page needs to be deleted immediately. Bigots and misogynists are trying to use the number of Jewish feminists as some sort of political statement. This must be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.5 (talk) 04:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

    You’re the only bigot here. 204.52.135.203 (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

    That is ridiculous. To delete this page would be to censor factual information for the purpose of advancing your own agenda. Is there perhaps a conflict of interest for why you would want the background of popular feminists to be covered up? 140.180.255.79 (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

    Is it a “conflict of interest” to want to promote equality? There’s absolutely no reason to have this page if its only use is as a weapon by racists. I’m not saying let’s delete all the ‘religion’ info on each individual feminists’ page, but removing an easy numerical categorization like this is a pretty fair request in my opinion. Please be reasonable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.2 (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

    You appear to be on a personal crusade here. There are plenty of pages sorting people by ethnic or religious background. Are these all created by racists? In my opinion you sound borderline paranoid and I highly doubt that you can back up your claims – it is really a far-stretched assumption anyway – that only racists care about the ethnicity of feminists. Please familiarize yourself with WP:CENSOR 91.49.221.249 (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
     
    , @Colin Wright
    'A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn’t tend to exist among other groups, or there’s some other factor behind this feminist rage...'

    What's interesting to contemplate is how far back the tendency goes.

    I remember noticing something when I read More Powerful than Dynamite. That book is a competent account of radical hijinks in 1915 New York City. What the author doesn't see fit to comment on is that a disproportionate number of his cast of angry young people are Jewish girls fresh out of Galicia, Lithuania, Poland, the Ukraine, etc. Emma Goldman was the most famous of the lot, but she was hardly alone.

    These Eastern European Jewesses seem to have exploded out of the shtetl -- and never stopped exploding; the cause itself was always secondary. Thankfully, Jewish men refuse to marry them, so they're slowly being bred out of existence.

  4. Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of “friends” after 9/11 when he criticized Islam’s adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I think you mean "the enemies of Western civilization are our friends."  Islamists are hardly Leftists.
    , @Anon
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of “friends” after 9/11 when he criticized Islam’s adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Hitchens was right to denounce the ugly side of Islam, but he was wrong to side with Neocons in the bogus excuses for war against Iraq, a nation ruled by a secular leader(though tyrant to be sure).
    Didn't Hitchens realize that the Neocons, his new friends, were targeting Iraq than Saudi Arabia, the true Islamic tyranny?
    Also, didn't he know that 9/11 was blowback of the strangest kind? It wasn't blowback by those whom the US attacked or vilified. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Palestinians, and etc. had nothing to do with it. Oddly enough, it was blowback by the very forces whom the US and its allies had fostered and built up over the years. Just like Obama and Deep State used Jihadis and ISIS and Al Nusra against Syria and Libya, the US-Saudis-Israel-Pakistan had been building up the coalition of Wahabi hotheads to cause trouble against USSR and Iran since the late 70s. It was THOSE people who turned on the US because American soldiers occupied Saudi soil during the Gulf War, the main reason for the burning hatred against the US. And the Mossad surely knew what was up but instead of alerting the US intelligence about the plot, the nudge-nudged the terrorists into attacking NY, thereby having an excuse to wage Wars for Israel all over the Middle East.

    Frontpage runs some good stuff, but it is a Zionist publication that totally overlooks the Jewish globalist role in the mess in the Middle East. Neocons controlled Bush, Liberal Zionists controlled Obama. The result? Hell in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. And threats against Iran that could have broken out into war. And never-ending tyranny over Palestinians.

    Another thing. Why should it be OUR problem if Afghan society has an oppressive patriarchy? They are OVER THERE, and we are OVER HERE. No one forced that idiot feminist woman to marry some ragamuslim of Afghanistan and move there. She acted dumb.. like some white woman who go to Africa and join some black tribe. It was feminism that gave her the freedom to act real dumb. But them, some men marry femme fatale monster witches and ruin their own lives. Ace Rothstein in CASINO was dumb when it came to woman.

    The way I see it, Muslim Way is not a problem for us AS LONG AS Muslims are over there and we are over there. But why did Muslims pour into the West? Wars for Israel and Open Borders. Who made that possible? Muslims or Jews & white cucky-wucks? And even though many people fear that Sharia may spread in the West, I would say the bigger tragedy is Muslims become like Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian. Or some tranny Muslim.

    Furthermore, I say patriarchy, even the tribal Muslim kind is better than what the West has with Whoria, slut pride, homomania, and pornification of society. That stuff is toxic. While I prefer the Goldilocks middle, a society with harsh patriarchy is better than a society where men are cucky-wuck dorks who suck up to rapper Negroes, rancid homos, and vile bitches.
    Also, patriarchy wasn't just some Muslim thing. Look at ZORBA THE GREEK. The men there have a wicked way of punishing the 'whore'. Them are Christian folks.

    Even though I don't like theocratic tyranny, I don't like whore-ization of society either. In the long run, a theocracy will survive better than a whorocracy and cuckocracy.
    , @Anonymous
    He'd already workshopped that in the 90s by, rather ostentatiously, calling out Sidney Blumenthal, synecdoche for The Clenis's praetorians, on mounting a whispering/smear campaign against not yet stain-certified Monica L.

    It was revealing how the leftstream winced at the whole to-do less from the unseemly spectacle of squealing on a supposedly long-time personal friend than Hitchens's move to actually do something about it and render an affidavit to the House majority, i.e. Republicans, Chambers-Hiss-style. In other words: would've all been Beltway-A-OK if he'd limited himself to ineffectual grandstanding on cable news, but he got greedy! Lol

    , @Dan Hayes
    Jim Don Bob:

    Inordinate (even crazed) hatred of religion (any religion would do) was the prime motivating for Hitchens' behavior post 9/11. The neocons senseless wars conveniently dovetailed with his religion animus (in this case directed at Islam).

    BTW, contrast Christopher's behavior vis-a-vis that of his brother Peter who seems to spend his free time at Anglican Evening Song.
    , @LondonBob
    Christopher took after his mother who eloped with a defrocked clergyman who then committed suicide together in an Athens hotel. Peter takes after his father, a stoic ex Royal Navy officer. Perhaps inevitable Christopher would end up a neocon.

    Of course the confusion with feminism is women have always held an elevated position in NW European society,must have been hard for Jewish gals to fathom.
  5. I was sure we were on the 3rd wave by now, or even it should have broke by now. 4th, maybe? It’s hard to keep up with these crazy broads. Camille Paglia is OK though, but then she’s had 50 years to get her shit together – what wave is she in?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Final Wave will be Trannies take over and beat up the sisters into silence.
    , @SFG
    According to Wikipedia (probably accurate on this at least if not much else related to feminism), third wave is from the 1990s through about 2012. It was where we saw all the 'slutwalks' and sex-positivity. I'm guessing fourth wave ('rape culture' etc) came about with the straight fraction realizing they were being used.

    It's also where a lot of the intersectionality diversity-Pokemon-points stuff started.

    Notably, with second wave in the 70s and fourth wave extending to the present, the 80s are notable for lacking an era of feminism, which may be why the alt-right is so fond of synthwave and so on. (The 1950s are probably too distant to use as a model.)
  6. Man I can’t wait until the demographics change and arrogant white male Christian’s get a taste of the brutality they have perpetrated on the People for eons

    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon
    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Better Sharia than Whoria. As for Christianity, it is now dead. Gone globo-homo, it needs to be put to sleep. Better Islam than Cucktianity.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    I'm with you Ducky. I can't wait for a recurrence of the Middle Ages. My guess is that this time around it will be Ebola instead of the Black Plague. But it might be both. Yay!
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys......


    Cants waits till laters when Lenderp perpetrates brutality on Tinys backside......


    Lendsperp “Getz teh job dun” Plibs
    , @Ukrainian Are Great
    Without the Christian White male (having created and developed the modern world) you'd likely be laying around dying of some disease, and starving to death.
  7. as part of a circle of “pioneers” of the modern women’s movement – some of them “dangerously intelligent,” most of them “radical thinkers,”

    Radicals are not especially smart. They also tend to have subdued scores on measures of global functioning. The typical radical spent way too many years in college getting C and D grades on 101 level coursework.

    Today, the layabout/radical is living off their spouse’s income or university sinecure. They are not someone who you, as a normal person, would go to for advice.

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It’s a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our “leaders”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    They've got free time, which is why they keep grabbing other peoples' ears. If you're very busy, you don't have much time to give advice.
    , @Paul Yarbles

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It’s a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our “leaders”.
     
    This is an interesting question. It's not just political either. Why do the maladjusted have so much cultural influence too? I guess the political and cultural influences feed one another.

    We are ruled by disturbed characters right out of a Dostoevsky novel. Demons perhaps.
    , @Anon
    We need to keep pointing this out. Incessantly. I'm so tired of the lazy cultural cliche of the "bright" or "brilliant" leftist, why anyone to their right is "dumb," "to lazy to think," etc. Eg, The Way We Were.

    Any Marxist half-wit gets never ending cultural cred, while great minds like Spengler or Schmitt or James Buchanan are just "nazi thugs".

    Marx started it, with his idiotic claim to have "Set Hegel right-side up", as if the pushy little Jew understood anything Hegel wrote.
  8. @Jim Don Bob
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    He must have been mentally ill too.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    She was 40 when this happened.

    Here she is in 1972 when she was 32. YMMV.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/22/article-2429037-182B7AFF00000578-173_634x676.jpg
  9. @Achmed E. Newman
    I was sure we were on the 3rd wave by now, or even it should have broke by now. 4th, maybe? It's hard to keep up with these crazy broads. Camille Paglia is OK though, but then she's had 50 years to get her shit together - what wave is she in?

    Final Wave will be Trannies take over and beat up the sisters into silence.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Maybe after that 4th and final period of feminism, this matriarchal society of ours will reach femopause. That's probably what this whole Global Warming thing is about ... seems to come in flashes.
  10. Another difference between her and other leading feminists of her generation is that at a very early age she married a Muslim fellow student who swept her off her feet, flew her to Afghanistan, and held her captive there for several months (an experience recounted in her harrowing 2013 memoir An American Bride in Kabul). So unlike some feminists, she’s known all her adult life what a truly brutal patriarchy looks like

    See, now why couldn’t we have reproduced that 10,000 times over? We’ve got this big-ass black-ops budget, yet we can’t even run that very successful operation again, what was it again, Operation Desert Shitstorm? That’s what I mean by the CIA being worthless and dropping the ball. So what, if 10, 15, OK 75 % of them are unsuccessful and we lose our assets? 6 and half dozen eggs or the other thing, an omelet, per John Lennon.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  11. @Tiny Duck
    Man I can't wait until the demographics change and arrogant white male Christian's get a taste of the brutality they have perpetrated on the People for eons


    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Better Sharia than Whoria. As for Christianity, it is now dead. Gone globo-homo, it needs to be put to sleep. Better Islam than Cucktianity.

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now....
    , @Jay Fink
    Completely disagree. Sharia would be dreadful. Whoria would be fun but it's not what we have now by any means.
    , @L Woods
    Sadly, you’re probably right.
  12. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.

    Which society though? The article suggests that the primary targets of her feminist rage were American society and Muslim society. It’s interesting that she was born into a very patriarchal, high fertility, pro-natalist society – Orthodox Judaism – and spent her career pioneering the development and promotion of anti-patriarchal and anti-natalist memes towards other societies like American and Muslim society. It’s even more interesting when you consider that the society she was born into generally shuns contact and interaction with other societies as a rule. Private anger and sibling rivalry would make sense as primary motivations if she had devoted her life to attacking Orthodox society, but she appears to have spent it criticizing other societies. From the standpoint of a patriarchal, pro-natalist culture and society like Orthodox Judaism that avoids contact with external societies as a defensive measure, it’s beneficial if anti-patriarchal and anti-natalist memes get directed outwards.

    • Replies: @utu
    Good hat you caught Sailer's omission. Here Otto Weininger is opinion on inter family dynamics in Jewish families which may apply to daughters as well:

    http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/schareng.pdf
    It would be easy to understand why the family (in its biological not its legal sense) plays a larger role amongst the Jews than amongst any other people; the English, who in certain ways are akin to the Jews, coming next. The family, in this biological sense, is feminine and maternal in its origin, and has no relation to the State or to society. The fusion, the continuity of the members of the family, reaches its highest point amongst the Jews. In the Indo-Germanic races, especially in the case of the more gifted, but also in quite ordinary individuals, there is never complete harmony between father and son; consciously, or unconsciously, there is always in the mind of the son a certain feeling of impatience against the man who, unasked, brought him into the world, gave him a name, and determined his limitations in this earthly life. It is only amongst the Jews that the son feels deeply rooted in the family and is fully at one with his father. It scarcely ever happens amongst Christians that father and son are really friends. Amongst Christians even the daughters stand a little further apart from the family circle than happens with Jewish girls, and more frequently take up some calling which isolates them and gives them independent interests.
     
  13. Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left–it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this–there was a famous quote–“what’s the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone”–and you can see how second wave feminism (“women’s lib”) came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the “rape culture” hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium–guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn’t like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it–ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    completely different mental models
     
    Cite needed.

    See Dalrock’s blog to find out just how much they have in common.
    , @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around ... women were upset by this
    ...
    a lot of the “rape culture” hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture

     

    LOL. Kavenaugh was targeted because he might be against abortion. Abortion is #1 top priority to feminists, not because they resent sexual revolution..
    , @Jim Don Bob
    "The only position for women in the movement is ‘prone’.
    - Stokely Carmichael 1964.

    https://flexner.blogs.brynmawr.edu/2011/10/27/the-only-place-for-women-in-the-movement-is-%E2%80%98prone%E2%80%99-2/comment-page-1/
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores
     
    I agree that would be a good thing, but I can't understand why it should be described as ironic, even if you're using 'ironic' simply to mean 'unexpected.' I thought that was pretty much the default interpretation. If it isn't, then it darn well should be.
    , @Anonymous
    I think that has been Occam's explanation-- left-feminists were always more resentment-fueled b/c of denying male vs. female nature and, in the resulting way of things, getting Weinsteined much more frequently than traditional girls were. Betty Friedan's rebellious-housewife mythology gets it exactly backward. As they entered the work force women's exposure to the panoply of "harassment" could only ever increase.

    As early as the 70s, satires of protest & flower-power culture always had that stock sleazy character lurking around to seduce liberal broads who didn't need no chaperones like a bicycle for fish, you know. It's a recipe for bad encounters with men

    , @L Woods
    This is the reason why American attitudes towards women and sex are almost uniquely pernicious and dysfunctional: the unholy synergy between feminism and (particularly evangelical) Christianity.
  14. @Tiny Duck
    Man I can't wait until the demographics change and arrogant white male Christian's get a taste of the brutality they have perpetrated on the People for eons


    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I’m not buying all new maps and globes! We’re on a budget, dammit!

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk
    , @SFG
    Even old (((New York))) was once New Amsterdam.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Myanmarshave is brilliant, thanks
    , @Pericles
    Don't forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.

    Constantinople is a different story from the others though.

    , @PiltdownMan

    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I’m not buying all new maps and globes! We’re on a budget, dammit!

     

    The British used Stamboul until the 1930s. Graham Greene's Stamboul Train is a pretty decent thriller from the 1930s.

    The Japanese word for the town now spelled Beijing is still Peking, and is still pronounced that way. The same is true for German. Spanish, French and Portuguese are pretty close to "Pekin."


    The last British governor of Hong Kong, Christ Patten, habitually referred to Beijing as Peking. For that, and for the fact that he introduced representative democracy in Hong Kong before handing it back to the Communist regime,the official Chinese media called Patten a snake, a liar, a "prostitute for a thousand generations" as well as a" tango dancer."

    Official Chinese propaganda invective has moved closer to colloquial English, but the North Koreans are still pretty good practitioners of that style of Maoist invective in English.

    https://youtu.be/mv20-Fvnedk?t=41

  15. @Achmed E. Newman
    I was sure we were on the 3rd wave by now, or even it should have broke by now. 4th, maybe? It's hard to keep up with these crazy broads. Camille Paglia is OK though, but then she's had 50 years to get her shit together - what wave is she in?

    According to Wikipedia (probably accurate on this at least if not much else related to feminism), third wave is from the 1990s through about 2012. It was where we saw all the ‘slutwalks’ and sex-positivity. I’m guessing fourth wave (‘rape culture’ etc) came about with the straight fraction realizing they were being used.

    It’s also where a lot of the intersectionality diversity-Pokemon-points stuff started.

    Notably, with second wave in the 70s and fourth wave extending to the present, the 80s are notable for lacking an era of feminism, which may be why the alt-right is so fond of synthwave and so on. (The 1950s are probably too distant to use as a model.)

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    AIDS killed a lot of things in the 80's. Both mentally and physically.
    , @Anonymous
    Movies from the late 70s/early 80s can be retrospectively hilariously sexist. John Hughes was the comparative woke progtard of the bunch. There were occasional P.C. fests like "The Color Purple" or "Silkwood." Glenn Close was nominated for "Fatal Attraction" in '88 (losing to Cher for "Moonstruck"). Ridley Scott's "Thelma & Louise" came out in '91.
    , @Ian M.

    Notably, with second wave in the 70s and fourth wave extending to the present, the 80s are notable for lacking an era of feminism...
     
    I don't know, my impression is that the '80s is when the push for high-powered executive career women really began in earnest. Likewise, I also associate the women's business suit with the '80s.
  16. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    completely different mental models

    Cite needed.

    See Dalrock’s blog to find out just how much they have in common.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Oh, I'm sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You'd just never get them to admit it. ;)

    That said I am going to check out Dalrock's blog now--I'll bet it's quite enlightening.
  17. @Jim Don Bob
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    Sounds like something that should be added to her Infogalactic entry (which doesn’t seem to exist yet).

  18. @Desiderius

    completely different mental models
     
    Cite needed.

    See Dalrock’s blog to find out just how much they have in common.

    Oh, I’m sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You’d just never get them to admit it. 😉

    That said I am going to check out Dalrock’s blog now–I’ll bet it’s quite enlightening.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Oh, I’m sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You’d just never get them to admit it.
     
    I think one can credibly argue that the breakdown of religious mores has been more catastrophic for men than women. Drugs, suicide, etc....
  19. @Jim Don Bob
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of "friends" after 9/11 when he criticized Islam's adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists."

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.
  20. Chesler seems to be an example of someone who has reached the age where she no longer has to give a f**k about toeing the party line.

    People who still have to maintain their career prospects don’t have that luxury.

    I get the feeling that there are many smart and intellectually honest people in academia and journalism who, even if they identify with left values, are secretly chafing under the conformist stupidity of the SJW Party Line.

    Someone really needs to start a movement/organization/label on the Left that could liberate these people to talk sense while still keeping their indispensable membership in the Liberal Establishment.

    • Replies: @utu

    Chesler seems to be an example of someone who has reached the age where she no longer has to give a f**k about toeing the party line.
     
    No, she fell back on the default position which for most Jews in old age is Judaism, Zionism, cult of Holocaust with a dose of Islamophobia nowadays. In other words things that are important to the Jews and their survival.

    In 2015 she published The New Anti-Semitism

    A dangerous worldwide coalition of Islamic terrorists, well-intentioned but misinformed students, right-wing fascists, left-wing ideologues, academics, feminists, European politicians, journalists, and international human rights organisations have joined together to again scapegoat the Jews and the Jewish state for crimes they did not commit and for whatever ails the world. In this intensely passionate and compelling book, the best-selling and prize-winning Jewish feminist author Dr Phyllis Chesler demonstrates how old-fashioned anti-Semitism -- now often seen in the form of anti-Zionism -- has become fashionable and even politically correct, and how this plague threatens the Jews of the world, Israel, America, and Western civilization.
     
    Her trajectory was opposite to that of Jane Fonda who from the universal concerns about justice, war and peace eded up doing Vagina Dialogues. But Chesler is no longer concern with her vagina or vaginas in general but with what is good for Jews. And it can be speculated that her concerns with vaginas in the past also served Jewish diaspora interests.
  21. morphed into LGBTQI studies

    ‘I’ ?
    Idiot?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
    , @Expletive Deleted
    I was rather hoping it would be "Incel"
  22. Maybe she isn’t a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Interesting--I always thought more modern forms of feminism were notable for *not* attacking capitalism, instead trying to redistribute money from men to women and trying to make sure the women get to be capitalists. (Some of the more committed lefty feminists are actually angry about this.)
    , @Jefferson
    The old school Feminists who still hate Wall Street and never gave up on their principles all voted for Jill Stein from The Green Party in 2016. Susan Sarandon is one of them. She said Hillary Clinton's ties to Wall Street is extremely disturbing to her.
    , @Lurker
    The economic elites seem to wholeheartedly support the anti-racist, anti-sexist position. Is that because they are afraid of the progressive challenge or because they find these attacks are great for manipulation?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Interesting. I think the 1st wave, if that was what went way back to woman's (well, men's it turns out) suffrage, came about due simply to men's laziness. They'd been fighting against these woman pushing for the vote since the 1800's, and it would come to the forefront during the good times. They just dropped the ball. (Maybe this was the Zeroeth Wave, but I don't know.)

    This 2nd wave, in the 1970's was quite a bit more insidious, IMO. As with a lot of these civilization-destroying trends, I don't put it down to some evil cabal writing up a plan and all, with the Frankfort School as a possible exception. Nope, just a lot of institutions had vested interests in seeing women get into the workforce. The US Feral Gov't was the biggest, as the increase in the tax payments was a big "benefit". Then, the Universities wanted more students, the automakers would get more sales, etc.

    The destruction of the nuclear family due to the 2nd wave was a long-term process, almost completed at this point. One couldn't have made a better plan to do this than the way it went, but that still doesn't mean it was a plan. Some say it was the Commies with the internal half of the Cold War. We (Ronnie, Lech, Konrad, Pope, and millions of Western (mostly American) soldiers, sailors, airmen, and engineers) won the external Cold War. The internal Cold War was lost, and here we have the former biggest enemy ready to work with us to get us out of this. There's a lot of irony around here.
    , @James N. Kennett

    second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism
     
    by encouraging women to become wage-slaves, like their menfolk. The ex-communist Friedan was a "useful idiot" of capitalists.

    In 1963 Betty Friedan introduced the "problem that has no name" (female dissatisfaction). Surveys have shown that women are even more dissatisfied now than they were in 1963 - but of course no feminist will admit that Friedan's prescription was mistaken.

    , @anonymous
    Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. Capitalism may exploit, but at least it has outgrown borders. The elite capitalist class are international cosmopolitans now, whether they are Jewish or Gentile. Big business seems to regard nations as a hinderance, as they've become more and more transnational.

    Companies like Apple may require suicide nets at their outsourced factories, but at least they are gay friendly and promote a happy image of upbeat globalism. It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it. Instead of fighting it, the power of business is being harnessed to advance other leftist interests. When you look at the sort of person who becomes CEO of a large company now days, it becomes apparent that something has changed over the last 15-20 years.
    , @Jack D
    Old style Union Demand: "Workers are underpaid. We demand a 30% pay raise."

    Feminist Demand: "Women make 70% of what men make. We demand a 30% pay raise for women."
  23. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they’re not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.

    I can’t see that being much of a problem. Women don’t much care for casual sex.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Tradcons *don't* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex--it's the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to--MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it's not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous--many, many women are not feminists. Slutwalks and so on.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side--we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It's why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn't change the truth value of their statements.Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can't verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    , @SFG
    Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous–many, many women are not feminists. Married women want to protect their husbands, as we saw with Kavanaugh.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side–we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It’s why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn’t change the truth value of their statements. Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can’t verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    (pardon the double post)

    , @Anonymous

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    , @Achmed E. Newman


    ... where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem.
     
    It's one hell of a problem if you're a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?
    , @Twinkie

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they’re not really traditional conservatives.
     
    For once, I agree with you.
    , @Jack D

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not - someone is lying). Now it's possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don't like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it's a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don't PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, "What are you nuts? We'll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined - I don't care what you want." but now lizard brain says, "No worries mate, let's go for it, we'll have some harmless fun!"
    , @Jefferson
    "Women don’t much care for casual sex."

    If that were true Spring Break in Florida would be mostly a sausage fest and mostly made of Gay male sex fests.

    , @AnotherDad


    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem. Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Of course you don't. It's feminism in a nutshell: maximum freedom for women, maximum constraint for men.

    I'm not a regular reader Roissy or any of these guys. But i've followed links from commenters here and elsewhere and probably read 50 to 100 posts there. Basically Roissy's deal is explaining that women have--on average--a particular psychological pattern (hypergamy) which is not remotely the "virtuous woman" trope that the media peddles. And guys should learn to understand it if they are going to deal with women at all.

    You could condense much of his verbiage--critiques, stories, tips, his mocking "beta of the week", etc.--into
    a) be confident and dominant
    b) don't marry sluts (or BPD head cases).
    This is actually first class advice for young men, especially in this age where women are coached to misbehave.

    If all young men followed this advice, the sluts and headcases would *never* find a man to marry them, and their genes would be pitched from the gene pool or they'd live a life of tedious single-mommery. Women would--perhaps slowly--get the message. And more and more women would behave in chaste and sexual responsible fashion, become women worth marrying and we'd start to recivilize.

    Contrawise expecting these Christian cuckservatives, who roll over and grab their ankles for minorities and immigrants, to actually discipline women is a complete joke. (They market to misbehaving women and tell men to "man up".) Religion is useful--perhaps critical--to civilization, but it has to be willing to call anti-civilizational behavior out, castigate it.

    Bottom line, civilization is created by men. Men constraing men to civilized behavior, through laws and punishments--explusions, prisons, executions. And constraining men and women to civilizational-reproducing sexual behavior through marriage. Feminists have busted that up--and brag and preen about busting it up. Men are going to have to stop tolerating, coddling and supporting women in that bust up and make women bear the consequences of their misbehavior. Only then can civilization be restored.
    , @Quanzar
    "I can’t see that being much of a problem. Women don’t much care for casual sex."

    You are beyond delusional if you actually believe this, but reading other posts of yours, I'm leaning towards you do. And for that I don't understand how you can call yourself a conservative. Did you once personally identify as a feminist? Because if you did it really shows.

    , @Jefferson
    "For the life of me, I can’t understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they’re not really traditional conservatives"

    Traditional Conservatives are extremely religious people like Orthodox Jews, Hasidic Jews, Evangelicals, and Mormons. None of them are promoting consequence free casual sex.


    Nobody who is an Agnostic or Atheist could ever be a real traditional Conservative.
  24. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of "friends" after 9/11 when he criticized Islam's adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of “friends” after 9/11 when he criticized Islam’s adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Hitchens was right to denounce the ugly side of Islam, but he was wrong to side with Neocons in the bogus excuses for war against Iraq, a nation ruled by a secular leader(though tyrant to be sure).
    Didn’t Hitchens realize that the Neocons, his new friends, were targeting Iraq than Saudi Arabia, the true Islamic tyranny?
    Also, didn’t he know that 9/11 was blowback of the strangest kind? It wasn’t blowback by those whom the US attacked or vilified. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Palestinians, and etc. had nothing to do with it. Oddly enough, it was blowback by the very forces whom the US and its allies had fostered and built up over the years. Just like Obama and Deep State used Jihadis and ISIS and Al Nusra against Syria and Libya, the US-Saudis-Israel-Pakistan had been building up the coalition of Wahabi hotheads to cause trouble against USSR and Iran since the late 70s. It was THOSE people who turned on the US because American soldiers occupied Saudi soil during the Gulf War, the main reason for the burning hatred against the US. And the Mossad surely knew what was up but instead of alerting the US intelligence about the plot, the nudge-nudged the terrorists into attacking NY, thereby having an excuse to wage Wars for Israel all over the Middle East.

    Frontpage runs some good stuff, but it is a Zionist publication that totally overlooks the Jewish globalist role in the mess in the Middle East. Neocons controlled Bush, Liberal Zionists controlled Obama. The result? Hell in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. And threats against Iran that could have broken out into war. And never-ending tyranny over Palestinians.

    Another thing. Why should it be OUR problem if Afghan society has an oppressive patriarchy? They are OVER THERE, and we are OVER HERE. No one forced that idiot feminist woman to marry some ragamuslim of Afghanistan and move there. She acted dumb.. like some white woman who go to Africa and join some black tribe. It was feminism that gave her the freedom to act real dumb. But them, some men marry femme fatale monster witches and ruin their own lives. Ace Rothstein in CASINO was dumb when it came to woman.

    The way I see it, Muslim Way is not a problem for us AS LONG AS Muslims are over there and we are over there. But why did Muslims pour into the West? Wars for Israel and Open Borders. Who made that possible? Muslims or Jews & white cucky-wucks? And even though many people fear that Sharia may spread in the West, I would say the bigger tragedy is Muslims become like Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian. Or some tranny Muslim.

    Furthermore, I say patriarchy, even the tribal Muslim kind is better than what the West has with Whoria, slut pride, homomania, and pornification of society. That stuff is toxic. While I prefer the Goldilocks middle, a society with harsh patriarchy is better than a society where men are cucky-wuck dorks who suck up to rapper Negroes, rancid homos, and vile bitches.
    Also, patriarchy wasn’t just some Muslim thing. Look at ZORBA THE GREEK. The men there have a wicked way of punishing the ‘whore’. Them are Christian folks.

    Even though I don’t like theocratic tyranny, I don’t like whore-ization of society either. In the long run, a theocracy will survive better than a whorocracy and cuckocracy.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Good comment in general #425, but I got hung up on:

    But why did Muslims pour into the West? Wars for Israel and Open Borders. Who made that possible?
     
    The Moslems didn't have to be let in here, even if we were to beat all hell out of the Middle East on behalf of Israel. There are people that want to destroy our society, and this is just one of the ways to do it. I believe feminism has done MUCH MORE damage. (That doesn't mean I'm not for stopping the immigration invasion, especially the Moslem contingent.)

    As far as Europe goes, the Germans wanted cheap labor back 40 or more years back, but then they went full immi-retard with the Commie Merkel's invitation to the world. The French and British had been stupidly letting in all kinds of people from their former colonies/commonwealths, until they went full-on immi-retard, especially with the purposeful devious policy of Tony Blair. The Swedish have always been just plain Socialist stupid cucks - that stuff can't be cured.
    , @dfordoom

    Furthermore, I say patriarchy, even the tribal Muslim kind is better than what the West has with Whoria, slut pride, homomania, and pornification of society. That stuff is toxic.

     

    Agreed.

    Even though I don’t like theocratic tyranny, I don’t like whore-ization of society either. In the long run, a theocracy will survive better than a whorocracy and cuckocracy.
     
    Yep, again I agree.
  25. @SFG
    Oh, I'm sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You'd just never get them to admit it. ;)

    That said I am going to check out Dalrock's blog now--I'll bet it's quite enlightening.

    Oh, I’m sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You’d just never get them to admit it.

    I think one can credibly argue that the breakdown of religious mores has been more catastrophic for men than women. Drugs, suicide, etc….

    • Replies: @SFG
    In that regard, yes, though it's kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don't have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110--women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!
  26. @Jim Don Bob
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.
    • Replies: @Clyde

    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up
     
    A UN delegate from stinkin Sierra Leone which I only know is in Africa and that Trump calls it a shthle. Probably the Ebola birthplace.
    , @Tim Howells
    Quite a story. Thanks.

    The shocking story is as follows. In 1979-80, Phyllis Chesler took a position at the UN working for Davidson Nicol, a dignitary from Sierra Leone, who brought her in to organize an international women’s conference under UN auspices. The proceedings would be published and Chesler would write the introduction.

    Though Nicol was married, he soon began pursuing Chesler (who re-buffed his advances) and then shockingly, he raped her. Around the same time, the international women’s conference took place in Oslo and though Chesler had invited Gloria Steinem, a surrogate was sent instead, Robin Morgan. Morgan refused to stand up for Chesler against Nicol. In fact, she positioned herself to usurp the UN report then wrote the introduction herself and with that brought ‘international feminism’ firmly into the Ms. orbit – all under the watchful eye of Steinem, whom she represented.

    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women.
     
    https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up
    , @Gordo

    @Jim Don Bob

    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up
     
    Jeez, How likely is that?
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    No parody can compete with reality. Thanks.
  27. @Jim Don Bob
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    Yep. Who dat man? Someone rich, someone famous, someone politically powerful? A democrat, presumably?

  28. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around … women were upset by this

    a lot of the “rape culture” hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture

    LOL. Kavenaugh was targeted because he might be against abortion. Abortion is #1 top priority to feminists, not because they resent sexual revolution..

  29. @Anonymous

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.
     
    A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn't tend to exist among other groups, or there's some other factor behind this feminist rage.

    You have a lot of very verbally bright people into leftism. It was probably kind of inevitable. That said the old patriarchal biases of traditional Judaism, as Steve has said, probably hit Jewish women hard, and they’ve been known for being annoying and nagging throughout Jewish folklore. Secularize them and, well–you know what followed.

    Europe had fewer Jews, and they still had feminism. If anything, it got further in Europe–‘that’s rape in Sweden’ and so on. France actually doesn’t allow men to ask for a paternity test without the woman’s permission, and the Brits had rape prosecutors throwing away evidence that could have exculpated the men–it was a major scandal.

    That said, a Jewish woman is much, much more likely to be feminist than a (gentile) white or Asian woman of the same socioeconomic background. You can see why intermarriage rates are so high! (The comedians had a few jokes about this back in the day.)

    It probably would have happened no matter what–you don’t need upper body strength for most jobs anymore, business wants more workers, etc. But the particular form it took …

  30. @Tiny Duck
    Man I can't wait until the demographics change and arrogant white male Christian's get a taste of the brutality they have perpetrated on the People for eons


    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    I’m with you Ducky. I can’t wait for a recurrence of the Middle Ages. My guess is that this time around it will be Ebola instead of the Black Plague. But it might be both. Yay!

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, J.S. A friend of mine told me about that song, along with a website by that name that became a split-off from Hot Air when their commenting system went to hell. It was cool - a whole bunch of the commenters said "hell with this" and moved onto the new site, billed as Hot Gas (formerly, Istanbul-not-Constantinople), now going by a 3rd name. That's neither here nor there, is it, haha!
    , @Clyde
    It's nobody business but the Turks! This must be where Steve got his line about invade the world, invite the world. Means mind our own business. Trump has been doing this well so far>>>> As much as he can with the Washingtoooon Swamp and scummy Democrat judges arrayed against him.
  32. …and became a postcolonial and postmodern enterprise.” …

    …and became a postcolonial and postmodern [and postpartum and postmortem] enterprise.” …

  33. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous–many, many women are not feminists. Slutwalks and so on.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side–we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It’s why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn’t change the truth value of their statements.Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can’t verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk."

    The vast majority of the Alt-Right are not having free casual sex, they are not playboy players. Most of them are sexless losers complaining on a Saturday night that they can not get a White girlfriend because the Jooz brainwashed all White women into only dating Black guys.
    , @L Woods
    It may be true on both sides, but not equally so.
  34. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    “The only position for women in the movement is ‘prone’.
    – Stokely Carmichael 1964.

    https://flexner.blogs.brynmawr.edu/2011/10/27/the-only-place-for-women-in-the-movement-is-%E2%80%98prone%E2%80%99-2/comment-page-1/

  35. the 3rd wave is the same as the 2nd wave is the same as the 1st wave:

    man-hating, White-hating Jewesses.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists/

    (((they))) have put a partial block on the page. Just click on “List of…” on the 1st and 2nd denial pages, and it’ll come up.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    the 3rd wave is the same as the 2nd wave is the same as the 1st wave:

    man-hating, White-hating Jewesses.
     
    The most notable thing about feminists is their hatred of women, and their hatred of themselves for being women. Of course they hate men as well. They hate pretty much everything.

    And of course 3rd wave feminists hate hate hate 2nd wave feminists.

    Mental illness does seem to be the only explanation for feminism. But what explains male surrender to feminism? What explains the nauseating Christian surrender to feminism?

    It's quite possible that if we had really had a patriarchy then all those lunatic feminist women would have been forcibly married off instead of being allowed to go to university and once they had had kids the might have become slightly less crazy.

    Allowing women to go to university was a very very big mistake.
  36. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous–many, many women are not feminists. Married women want to protect their husbands, as we saw with Kavanaugh.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side–we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It’s why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn’t change the truth value of their statements. Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can’t verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    (pardon the double post)

  37. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores

    I agree that would be a good thing, but I can’t understand why it should be described as ironic, even if you’re using ‘ironic’ simply to mean ‘unexpected.’ I thought that was pretty much the default interpretation. If it isn’t, then it darn well should be.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I guess 'ironic' because you wouldn't expect feminists (who are usually against traditional mores) to make common cause with social conservatives. But we've seen this before, with things like pornography.
  38. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    Interesting–I always thought more modern forms of feminism were notable for *not* attacking capitalism, instead trying to redistribute money from men to women and trying to make sure the women get to be capitalists. (Some of the more committed lefty feminists are actually angry about this.)

    • Replies: @donut
    If "trying to redistribute money from men to women" based solely on their sex rather than competence , ability or qualifications isn't an attack on capitalism I don't know what would be .
  39. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.

    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    • Agree: utu, L Woods
    • Replies: @Rosie

    Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
    K whatever.

    I guess that's why men constantly bitch and moan about their wives' lack of interest in sex.
    , @Anonymous
    Yeah, it's a progressive-Victorian fiction. From an evolution/selection POV I don't see how someone thinks that female Homo sapiens are "uninterested" in sex and that it DOESN'T guide their earthly behavior fundamentally.

    Reasons why they'd be pickier about the cost/benefit of their chosen vehicle? Sure. Reasons why they'd still make laughably bad choices in spite of, or owing to, this constraint? Arguable. But the subspecies who didn't like sex dwindled to extinction a few hundred thousand years back, after yielding fewer offspring per capita. Even nuns are obsessed with sex.

    , @anon

    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
    You should read Pinker on this issue. He lays out ample evidence that women are far more monogamous than men, for genetic and evolutionary reasons.
    , @Desiderius
    There's nothing casual about the quest for the Sexiest Son.
  40. I am going to go out on a limb and say that among people who wear the t-shirt “The Future Is Female”, ZERO percent of them would ever vote for a Female Republican for POTUS, governor, mayor, senator, congressperson, or dog catcher.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Anon
    The Theresa May government has gone the furthest of any Anglosphere government to explicitly demand gender/racial quotas, but it is highly unlikely to win the non-white and feminist voters it desperately wants.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/11/lack-of-data-hampers-theresa-mays-efforts-on-racial-inequality

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/women-on-company-boards-time-for-the-government-to-adopt-legislative-quotas/

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-and-corbyn-share-divisive-approach-to-race-bvwkdlnzr
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    WTH? Dog catchers are appointed.
  41. @Rosie

    Oh, I’m sure they have a *lot* in common! (Male depravity, for one.) You’d just never get them to admit it.
     
    I think one can credibly argue that the breakdown of religious mores has been more catastrophic for men than women. Drugs, suicide, etc....

    In that regard, yes, though it’s kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don’t have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110–women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    • Replies: @Rosie

    And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!
     
    And of course you are well within your rights to resist this! Just don't blame all women for the actions of the minority. After all, the reason they're claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we're just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren't even interested in tech themselves!
    , @Anon
    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don’t have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110...And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears...
     
    I believe it's rather the opposite. There is now, always was, and always will be plenty of work for people of average mental abilities. The problem is that in our society today, such jobs are the only jobs that remain; and the habits, preferences, and proclivities of the mediocre middle are the only style of life that is tolerated. The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he's forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic.

    As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being.

    Those possessing an IQ hovering between 110 and 120 are among the most irritating people around, because they are simply the right tail of "normal" and are almost universally subject to a Dunning-Krugerism of the second order. They know they are sharper than the average person, which makes them uppity and over-confident; but they cannot and do not realize how far below they are the real genius, who belongs to a different order altogether.
    , @LostHopeless
    Well then comes the wave of cunning H1Bs (dots) kicking us out of the industry we pioneered, making a mockery of the system through systemic corruption, ethnic nepotism and plain greed.

    The beauty of tech has almost but faded away and India Inc has brought all that beautiful stuff about India (nepotism, passive aggressive tendencies, hatred, the caste system leading to snobbish arrogance) into mainstreet USA now.

    And when your name is andrew white and not anand gopalakrishnan, try making it big in tech. Fact is, there's an all out assault on us by the (((oligarchs))), _both_ against white men AND white women. They want to see us wither away and die
  42. @AndrewR
    Mentally ill feminists? Who could even imagine such a thing...

    Shulamith Firestone died alone in her apartment and the neighbors finally noticed the smell. Andrea Dworkin bloated up to hundreds of pounds. I’m sure you can find other examples.

    • Replies: @Carol
    Kate Millett was actually committed, and wrote a pretty entertaining book about it, the Looney Bin Trip. Case of going off her meds, which she said she didn't need.

    I suspect whether you initially needed them if not, after you've been taking them a few years you do need them.
  43. @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!

    Even old (((New York))) was once New Amsterdam.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    ♪♫♬ ♪♫♬ I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps ...
    New Amsterdam, Great Britain!!
    ♬ ♪♫♬

    That was the old Wouter Ultrecht version that Frank Sinatra shamelessly stole 400 years later. I can't seem to find it on youtube right now...
    , @Xcommenter
    Nice Istanbul not Constantinople reference from They Might be Giants and others from earlier times
  44. That self-described feminists are essentially mentally ill is the core of feminism in reality.

    • Agree: JMcG
  45. @SFG
    In that regard, yes, though it's kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don't have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110--women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    And of course you are well within your rights to resist this! Just don’t blame all women for the actions of the minority. After all, the reason they’re claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we’re just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren’t even interested in tech themselves!

    • Replies: @SFG
    I actually don't blame all, or even most women--I think I said most women aren't feminists earlier.

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians. I'd basically agree with him.

    (He was also fairly successful with women, but failed to pass any of it on to me--I was more interested in video games and math in my younger years. I asked him when I later came to my senses, but he said he'd be a lot more careful in my era with all this rape culture stuff! He also seemed to think compliments were a good way to win women over, so maybe he wasn't all *that* PUAish, and was several inches taller and much more athletic, so it may not all have been skill.)

    And yes, radical feminists are more interested in complaining about most techies being women than writing code themselves. ;)

    , @Jefferson
    "After all, the reason they’re claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we’re just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren’t even interested in tech themselves!"


    Probably like 0.5% of the pussy hat feminists who were protesting Brett Kavanaugh in Washington DC know how to code or program a computer. Not a lot of pussy hat feminists are tech nerds.
  46. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or ‘mental’ reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It’s like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren’t part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into ‘white men’ vs ‘white women’. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the ‘feminism vs Islam’ theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of ‘white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women’, then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don’t feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s… while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh’s head:

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of ‘misogynistic’ portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC’s. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but ‘this way good, that way eeeeeeevil’.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    True, all too true.
    , @utu
    Priss, why do you write as Anon? Your comments do not show in archives.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I'd heard of the movie Norma Ray before, but been anti-union, anti-Commie, etc, so it doesn't seem like anything I'd see. That video by the Black-Pilled guy was very good. Just to add to your list, I'd put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate "reckon I'll have me some biscuits", only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter), but now I can't give more details to prove my point (been too long).

    About the movies set in the South, a whole lot of them also have really fake Southern accents, to the point of my quitting watching as soon as it gets too bad to listen to.
    , @Cagey Beast
    That video, "How Boomers Were Taught to Hate (Themselves)" is very good. Thanks for posting it. I'd seen it a while ago but forgot who did it.
    , @Clyde
    Priss aka Priss Factory and Factor outranks many of the alleged, so called columnists here at Unz.
    , @Thea
    Corporations benefited immensely from feminism and not just from the larger workforce lowering wages.

    Delayng marriage while working leaves women many years to frivolously but useless trinkets corporations are all to happy to sell. It also fuels the beauty industry in the cut throat fight to find a husband. Advertisers encourage anxiety about their looks as preteens that only grows as the hit the crest of their attraction unmarried.

    Cigarette manufacturers were smoking the first to take advantage of this. “Stay slim independent ladies”

    , @Mr. Anon
    That was a good take-down of Norma Rae. The first time I saw it, I was semi-red-pilled, so I sensed some of what was being portrayed in the movie. But this reviewer brings up a lot of the more subtle points I missed.

    Hollywood's message to white America could well be summarized (with a nod to Ms. Field's Oscar):

    We hate you! We really hate you!
    , @AnotherDad
    You could have edited this comment down quite a bit. (Speaking here as someone who always goes long.) And paragraphs are your friend. But this bit is the heart of the issue:

    And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into ‘white men’ vs ‘white women’. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race).

    Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together.

    But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the ‘feminism vs Islam’ theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of ‘white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women’, then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.
     
    The two-bit version:
    2nd wave feminism had only a little to do with "freedom" for women and ideologically and narratively was a--largely Jewish--attempt to get white women to see themselves as an aggrieved "minority" and hence break up the unity of white gentiles. Jews generally seeing coherent national majorities as being a threat. (Even though the US has treated Jews better than any outsider middle man minority has been treated pretty much anyplace/time in human history.)

    A balkanized people is more easily "managed"--i.e. abused--by the rent-seekers, greedy businessmen, global corporations and finance and especially the bullying super-state.

    And yeah, the Hollyweird propaganda is just beyond belief. Incredible anti-white, anti-white-Christian-male hate.
  47. @Anonymous

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    K whatever.

    I guess that’s why men constantly bitch and moan about their wives’ lack of interest in sex.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Women like sex, they just have lower sex drives than men on average, so the predominant pattern is going to be 'husband wants, wife doesn't'.
    , @Anonymous
    I guess that's why harlequin romance novels haven't been spotted on the shelves since their (abortive) debut in 1949.

    I guess that's also why every business trying to sell lipstick, hair dye, or breast implants instantly went bankrupt after failing to find customers.

    I guess that's also why Tiger Beat switched its format in 1996 from cute non-threatening boys to analysis of soybean futures.

    I guess that's also why rates of STDs among elderly women in nursing homes have not been increasing at the same rate as among 20-24 year olds. Additionally, why STD rates for women have been in decline since the advent of record-keeping.

    I guess that's why no married woman has ever cheated on her husband with another lower-status man, or woman. Much less has it been the subject of any work of art, literature, or music.

    I guess it explains why Cosmopolitan re-uses the same quiz about needlepoint and laundry soap every month. What else can they do to attract female readers

  48. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    The old school Feminists who still hate Wall Street and never gave up on their principles all voted for Jill Stein from The Green Party in 2016. Susan Sarandon is one of them. She said Hillary Clinton’s ties to Wall Street is extremely disturbing to her.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    Susan Sarandon is one of them. She said Hillary Clinton’s ties to Wall Street is extremely disturbing to her.
     
    Susan Sarandon? Is this the same Susan Sarandon whose net worth is $50 million? Yeah, I totally believe she is "disturbed" by Clinton's "Wall Street ties".
  49. I was shocked to learn that Jewish lesbians from NYC have played an important role in modern feminism.

  50. @Intelligent Dasein

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores
     
    I agree that would be a good thing, but I can't understand why it should be described as ironic, even if you're using 'ironic' simply to mean 'unexpected.' I thought that was pretty much the default interpretation. If it isn't, then it darn well should be.

    I guess ‘ironic’ because you wouldn’t expect feminists (who are usually against traditional mores) to make common cause with social conservatives. But we’ve seen this before, with things like pornography.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I guess ‘ironic’ because you wouldn’t expect feminists (who are usually against traditional mores) to make common cause with social conservatives.

     

    In the U.S. at least feminism started out as a socially conservative Christian movement.
  51. American-style libertarianism in the last century came from the same pool of damaged, sterile women who couldn’t form stable marriages.

    Namely, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane and, of course, Ayn Rand.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Makes sense--if you can't stay married and have kids, might as well tell yourself you're a bold individualist.

    Pre-Rand female libertarians are often forgotten.
    , @Anonymous

    American-style libertarianism in the last century came from the same pool of damaged, sterile women who couldn’t form stable marriages.

    Namely, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane and, of course, Ayn Rand.

     

    Ayn "Mad Malice Rosenbomb" Rand of course was stably married to the otherwise unknown artist Frank O'Connor , but she did have a sitdown with him and the ((Brandens)) (anagram of Ben Rand), Nathan(iel) and Barbara, and explain to him and each other's spouses that it would be logical for Ayn and Nathaniel to begin copulating. All agreed to this and soon Ayn and Nathaniel began screwing like rabbits for a considerable time. When Nathaniel got tired of this arrangement Ayn exploded and cut him out of her life and the Objectivist movement entirely.

    Both Barbara and Nathaniuel Branden wrote quite good books on the subject and it was covered in some depth by the film starring Helen Mirren and Eric Stoltz. At least it showed the screwing like rabbits part: not having seen the film yet, I don't know how true it is to the actual events, as depicted by everyone besides Rand and her pet poodle Peikoff.
    , @Ian M.
    I would say men were the originators of American libertarianism and had a much larger influence on the movement than women, Rand notwithstanding.

    But in regards to the inability to form stable marriages, this is true of the men in the movement also:

    https://herandrews.com/2017/05/20/romance-and-socialism-in-j-s-mill/
  52. @Rosie

    And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!
     
    And of course you are well within your rights to resist this! Just don't blame all women for the actions of the minority. After all, the reason they're claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we're just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren't even interested in tech themselves!

    I actually don’t blame all, or even most women–I think I said most women aren’t feminists earlier.

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians. I’d basically agree with him.

    (He was also fairly successful with women, but failed to pass any of it on to me–I was more interested in video games and math in my younger years. I asked him when I later came to my senses, but he said he’d be a lot more careful in my era with all this rape culture stuff! He also seemed to think compliments were a good way to win women over, so maybe he wasn’t all *that* PUAish, and was several inches taller and much more athletic, so it may not all have been skill.)

    And yes, radical feminists are more interested in complaining about most techies being women than writing code themselves. 😉

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians.
     
    What did he believe they were angry about?
    , @Ian M.

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians.
     
    Also capitalists.
  53. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    In that regard, yes, though it's kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don't have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110--women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Good point. There can be a lot of different causes for high suicide rates and fertility collapse. (Indeed, fertility rate collapse is a fairly sensible response to overpopulation if you think about it.)
    , @Lot
    Agree with most of that, but not:

    "ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%"

    Maybe for elderly SKs, but the younger generation is increasingly half SE Asian due to heavy bride importations and their higher fertility.
    , @Anon
    K-pop is Gay-pop, so the homo thing is not a niche culture. Homos control that stuff in SK, Japan, and Taiwan. Michael-Jacksonization.
    , @King Baeksu

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry.
     
    South Korea is experiencing rapid deindustrialization these days, and light industry is increasingly dominated by migrant workers from the developing world (you won't see them so much in Seoul, but they are filling up provincial areas throughout the country).

    Young South Korean men thus generally seek to enter white-collar professions, but they find themselves having to compete with highly qualified women who didn't waste nearly as much time in high school and college playing video games (which are very popular among the youth).

    In short, competition has gotten even more extreme in South Korean society in recent years, and this combined with traditional East Asian overinvestment in social expectations will inevitably have an impact on suicide rates.
  54. @Rosie

    Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
    K whatever.

    I guess that's why men constantly bitch and moan about their wives' lack of interest in sex.

    Women like sex, they just have lower sex drives than men on average, so the predominant pattern is going to be ‘husband wants, wife doesn’t’.

  55. @SFG
    Even old (((New York))) was once New Amsterdam.

    ♪♫♬ ♪♫♬ I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps …
    New Amsterdam, Great Britain!!
    ♬ ♪♫♬

    That was the old Wouter Ultrecht version that Frank Sinatra shamelessly stole 400 years later. I can’t seem to find it on youtube right now…

  56. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    I am going to go out on a limb and say that among people who wear the t-shirt "The Future Is Female", ZERO percent of them would ever vote for a Female Republican for POTUS, governor, mayor, senator, congressperson, or dog catcher.

    The Theresa May government has gone the furthest of any Anglosphere government to explicitly demand gender/racial quotas, but it is highly unlikely to win the non-white and feminist voters it desperately wants.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/11/lack-of-data-hampers-theresa-mays-efforts-on-racial-inequality

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/women-on-company-boards-time-for-the-government-to-adopt-legislative-quotas/

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-and-corbyn-share-divisive-approach-to-race-bvwkdlnzr

  57. @Anon
    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.

    Good point. There can be a lot of different causes for high suicide rates and fertility collapse. (Indeed, fertility rate collapse is a fairly sensible response to overpopulation if you think about it.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    Puerto Rico fertility has collapsed with the economy, albeit after decades of emigration by millions to the mainland.

    Part of the US fertility rate decline has been the previous regime's policy of free birth control, and the rise of the "sexodus phenomenon" among teenagers. The US was previously an outlier in OECD countries with teen pregnancy.

    We could also credit a salutary effect from the Teen Mom TV series, a rare example of degenerate pop culture backfiring.
  58. @Anon
    Final Wave will be Trannies take over and beat up the sisters into silence.

    Maybe after that 4th and final period of feminism, this matriarchal society of ours will reach femopause. That’s probably what this whole Global Warming thing is about … seems to come in flashes.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    You need a NSF Grant to develop your theory!
  59. @advancedatheist
    American-style libertarianism in the last century came from the same pool of damaged, sterile women who couldn't form stable marriages.

    Namely, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane and, of course, Ayn Rand.

    Makes sense–if you can’t stay married and have kids, might as well tell yourself you’re a bold individualist.

    Pre-Rand female libertarians are often forgotten.

  60. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    The economic elites seem to wholeheartedly support the anti-racist, anti-sexist position. Is that because they are afraid of the progressive challenge or because they find these attacks are great for manipulation?

    • Replies: @SFG
    Why not both? Divide et impera. 'Diversity' and feminism split the working and middle class and direct the left's energies against white males instead of rich people. What's not to like?
  61. @Mr. Rational
    I think you mean "the enemies of Western civilization are our friends."  Islamists are hardly Leftists.

    “I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists.”

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    Islamists are not leftists. They share no values with leftists, other than the destruction of the West. They vote for leftist political parties because right now leftists are stupid enough to support them. Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes and other crimes of Muslims on non-Muslims, etc. The left will at some point wake up, but it will probably be too late.
    , @Mr. Rational

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.
     
    No they don't.  They only vote as part of an anti-Western bloc out of convenience (for da gibs), while they establish their parallel societies living by unabashedly patriarchal rules.  When they get enough political power they nominate their own candidates and push their own agendas.  They will still form a coalition against the parties of Western civ, so long as the left doesn't force leftism on them personally.

    If the left demanded that Muslims live by feminist rules from the get-go, they'd leave in droves.
    , @Futurethirdworlder
    Like another semitic group they vote left but are very conservative in their personal lives. They do this because they know that modern leftism undermines the host society.
  62. @Lurker
    The economic elites seem to wholeheartedly support the anti-racist, anti-sexist position. Is that because they are afraid of the progressive challenge or because they find these attacks are great for manipulation?

    Why not both? Divide et impera. ‘Diversity’ and feminism split the working and middle class and direct the left’s energies against white males instead of rich people. What’s not to like?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon
    Others have linked the rise in "Woke Capital" to the collapse of the Occupy movement in 2011.

    It seems quiant today, but the Occupy movement had a major effect on the course of the 2012 election, and could have spiraled into far bigger rioting in a period of high unemployment.

    The idea of "occupation" was based on the experience of Tunisia and Egypt, where the police were unable to remove protestor encampments without embarassing incidents of violence being broadcast worldwide by Al-Jazeera. Once the Tahrir Square crowd grew to enough size, it so threatened the military that they dismissed Mubarak.

    What the Occupiers were hoping for was a big crowd in the major cities large enough that it would have gained "revoluntionary consciousness". Being as it was formed right next door to the HQ's of major corporations, it surely had an impact.
  63. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    Good point. There can be a lot of different causes for high suicide rates and fertility collapse. (Indeed, fertility rate collapse is a fairly sensible response to overpopulation if you think about it.)

    Puerto Rico fertility has collapsed with the economy, albeit after decades of emigration by millions to the mainland.

    Part of the US fertility rate decline has been the previous regime’s policy of free birth control, and the rise of the “sexodus phenomenon” among teenagers. The US was previously an outlier in OECD countries with teen pregnancy.

    We could also credit a salutary effect from the Teen Mom TV series, a rare example of degenerate pop culture backfiring.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They're breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US, and they're too feckless and stupid to support themselves by their own efforts. They're exactly like Dodo birds. Trying to live a modern life in Western civilization is making their unfit genes disappear.
  64. @Anonymous

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.
     
    Which society though? The article suggests that the primary targets of her feminist rage were American society and Muslim society. It's interesting that she was born into a very patriarchal, high fertility, pro-natalist society - Orthodox Judaism - and spent her career pioneering the development and promotion of anti-patriarchal and anti-natalist memes towards other societies like American and Muslim society. It's even more interesting when you consider that the society she was born into generally shuns contact and interaction with other societies as a rule. Private anger and sibling rivalry would make sense as primary motivations if she had devoted her life to attacking Orthodox society, but she appears to have spent it criticizing other societies. From the standpoint of a patriarchal, pro-natalist culture and society like Orthodox Judaism that avoids contact with external societies as a defensive measure, it's beneficial if anti-patriarchal and anti-natalist memes get directed outwards.

    Good hat you caught Sailer’s omission. Here Otto Weininger is opinion on inter family dynamics in Jewish families which may apply to daughters as well:

    http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/schareng.pdf
    It would be easy to understand why the family (in its biological not its legal sense) plays a larger role amongst the Jews than amongst any other people; the English, who in certain ways are akin to the Jews, coming next. The family, in this biological sense, is feminine and maternal in its origin, and has no relation to the State or to society. The fusion, the continuity of the members of the family, reaches its highest point amongst the Jews. In the Indo-Germanic races, especially in the case of the more gifted, but also in quite ordinary individuals, there is never complete harmony between father and son; consciously, or unconsciously, there is always in the mind of the son a certain feeling of impatience against the man who, unasked, brought him into the world, gave him a name, and determined his limitations in this earthly life. It is only amongst the Jews that the son feels deeply rooted in the family and is fully at one with his father. It scarcely ever happens amongst Christians that father and son are really friends. Amongst Christians even the daughters stand a little further apart from the family circle than happens with Jewish girls, and more frequently take up some calling which isolates them and gives them independent interests.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    The family, in this biological sense, is feminine and maternal in its origin, and has no relation to the State or to society.
     
    What?

    per the 4th Commandment:


    Thou shalt honor thy father and thy mother [that it may be well with thee and thou mayest live long upon the earth].

    What does this mean?--Answer.

    We should fear and love God that we may not despise nor anger our parents and masters, but give them honor, serve, obey, and hold them in love and esteem.


    "In this commandment belongs a further statement regarding all kinds of obedience to persons in authority who have to command and to govern. For all authority flows and is propagated from the authority of parents."
  65. @SFG
    Tradcons *don't* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex--it's the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to--MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it's not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous--many, many women are not feminists. Slutwalks and so on.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side--we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It's why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn't change the truth value of their statements.Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can't verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    “Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk.”

    The vast majority of the Alt-Right are not having free casual sex, they are not playboy players. Most of them are sexless losers complaining on a Saturday night that they can not get a White girlfriend because the Jooz brainwashed all White women into only dating Black guys.

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete
    , @L Woods
    Not like you, of course. You’re obviously quite the winner.
  66. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    Why not both? Divide et impera. 'Diversity' and feminism split the working and middle class and direct the left's energies against white males instead of rich people. What's not to like?

    Others have linked the rise in “Woke Capital” to the collapse of the Occupy movement in 2011.

    It seems quiant today, but the Occupy movement had a major effect on the course of the 2012 election, and could have spiraled into far bigger rioting in a period of high unemployment.

    The idea of “occupation” was based on the experience of Tunisia and Egypt, where the police were unable to remove protestor encampments without embarassing incidents of violence being broadcast worldwide by Al-Jazeera. Once the Tahrir Square crowd grew to enough size, it so threatened the military that they dismissed Mubarak.

    What the Occupiers were hoping for was a big crowd in the major cities large enough that it would have gained “revoluntionary consciousness”. Being as it was formed right next door to the HQ’s of major corporations, it surely had an impact.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Occupy Movement was full on SJW and elite leftist controlled. Later on it became homeless encampments with a few lawyered up antifa to stop local governments from cleaning them up.

    Seeming them eventually get kicked out by left wing city governments was hilarious.
    , @King Baeksu
    https://youtu.be/W81A1kTXPa4
  67. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    Interesting. I think the 1st wave, if that was what went way back to woman’s (well, men’s it turns out) suffrage, came about due simply to men’s laziness. They’d been fighting against these woman pushing for the vote since the 1800’s, and it would come to the forefront during the good times. They just dropped the ball. (Maybe this was the Zeroeth Wave, but I don’t know.)

    This 2nd wave, in the 1970’s was quite a bit more insidious, IMO. As with a lot of these civilization-destroying trends, I don’t put it down to some evil cabal writing up a plan and all, with the Frankfort School as a possible exception. Nope, just a lot of institutions had vested interests in seeing women get into the workforce. The US Feral Gov’t was the biggest, as the increase in the tax payments was a big “benefit”. Then, the Universities wanted more students, the automakers would get more sales, etc.

    The destruction of the nuclear family due to the 2nd wave was a long-term process, almost completed at this point. One couldn’t have made a better plan to do this than the way it went, but that still doesn’t mean it was a plan. Some say it was the Commies with the internal half of the Cold War. We (Ronnie, Lech, Konrad, Pope, and millions of Western (mostly American) soldiers, sailors, airmen, and engineers) won the external Cold War. The internal Cold War was lost, and here we have the former biggest enemy ready to work with us to get us out of this. There’s a lot of irony around here.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    There were also institutions who had vested interests in seeing women get into the workforce with first wave feminism.

    See, for example, this amusing anti-feminist article from the New York Times written in 1914, which blames capitalists ("commercialism") for encouraging women to work outside the home:

    https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1914/04/12/105455533.pdf

    The article also indicates that the link between feminism and the destruction of the nuclear family was already present with first wave feminism. Keep in mind too that the early suffragettes supported more liberal divorce laws.
  68. @Anon
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    He must have been mentally ill too.

    She was 40 when this happened.

    Here she is in 1972 when she was 32. YMMV.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    That thick hair on Phy Chesler shows solid genetics. That her hippy-ness was unable to overwhelm. So she endures. She did dumb stuff like marrying Muslim but she endures.
  69. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    … where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.

    I can’t see that being much of a problem.

    It’s one hell of a problem if you’re a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?
     
    Sure I do!

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I'm told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart's desire.
    , @Alden
    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups

    Easier still, steal a notary stamp to certify her signature on the consent form.
    Yes it’s trouble.
    But it’s a a lot less trouble than the old fashioned courtship dating and months of begging.

    Or find a cheap prostitute
    , @Sabril
    It's well documented -- but not widely discussed -- that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.

    The vast majority of women are simply not capable of taking the male side of things in a conflict between male and female interests.

    Similarly, most men can concede that there are some negative qualities which are more common in men than in women. While most women will automatically object to and reject the idea that some negative qualities are more common in women.

    Of course the real problem here is the male instinct to seek female approval and validation. Without white knights, we wouldn't have this constant societal catering to female nonsense.
    , @L Woods
    That question can only be rhetorical.
  70. @Anon
    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.

    Agree with most of that, but not:

    “ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%”

    Maybe for elderly SKs, but the younger generation is increasingly half SE Asian due to heavy bride importations and their higher fertility.

  71. Another difference between her and other leading feminists of her generation is that at a very early age she married a Muslim fellow student who swept her off her feet, flew her to Afghanistan, and held her captive there for several months (an experience recounted in her harrowing 2013 memoir An American Bride in Kabul). So unlike some feminists, she’s known all her adult life what a truly brutal patriarchy looks like – and has always been aware that America, whatever its faults, is “an exceptional country.”

    Interesting. According to WIKIPEDIA, she married this Afghan fellow in 1961. James A Michener’s Caravans, which came out in 1963, involves an American woman who goes missing in Afghanistan shortly after marrying a Western-educated Muslim. Any possibility of influence?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Western Muslims have been kidnapping random American women back to the homeland for a long time. Saudis do it the most.
  72. @trelane
    as part of a circle of “pioneers” of the modern women’s movement – some of them “dangerously intelligent,” most of them “radical thinkers,”

    Radicals are not especially smart. They also tend to have subdued scores on measures of global functioning. The typical radical spent way too many years in college getting C and D grades on 101 level coursework.

    Today, the layabout/radical is living off their spouse's income or university sinecure. They are not someone who you, as a normal person, would go to for advice.

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It's a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our "leaders".

    They’ve got free time, which is why they keep grabbing other peoples’ ears. If you’re very busy, you don’t have much time to give advice.

  73. @Anon
    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Better Sharia than Whoria. As for Christianity, it is now dead. Gone globo-homo, it needs to be put to sleep. Better Islam than Cucktianity.

    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now….

    • Agree: Ian M.
    • Replies: @Rosie

    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now….

     

    Don't let the door hitcha where the Good Lord splitcha.
    , @Alden
    So convert and move to an Islamic country. It may seem like a paradise for men from the outside.
    But men are subject to the same standards as women.

    There is the compulsory celibacy, no dating friendship or even casual aquaintance with women arranged with no way out marriages and being the sole support of the family compulsory attendance at services closing the business for daily prayer 5 times a day universal homosexuality extortion and other unpleasant things

    So you don’t approve of legalized porn? Pakistan has the highest rate of internet porn viewing, both gay and hetero, followed by other Islamic countries.

    You don’t approve of rape? Rape was very rare in Europe till the Muslim invasion. I know I know, it’s all the fault of European women for their slutty clothing, especially in N European winters when they are buried in heavy coats scarves hats pants and boots.

    If you don’t believe in supporting your children you can sell the girls to another family for temporary marriages and live off your daughters aka pimping and procuring in the decadent west

    , @Jim Christian

    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now….
     
    Under Sharia, I don't have to shave and I get my privilege back. Doesn't matter much to me I guess, I'm not professionally tied to anyone that can hurt me for my racist/sexist/misogynistic writing, speaking, gawking. I'm not sure Islam would know what to do about all the gays and trannies, though. There are so many of them in this society, far more than rooftops from which to pitch them.

    Of course, maybe without all the privilege extended to folks for becoming tranny and gay/lesbian to begin with in Western society, there wouldn't be so many. Perhaps when 'privilege' under Sharia means staying alive, all the tranny/gay/lesbian feminists would magically go back to being normal. Celebrating your perverted sexuality would be less of a thing. There are incentives in our society for these folks to become tranny/gay. Under Islam, there are harsher incentives to keep such behavior in the closet and they do.

    Aren't humans flexible? Mostly, I just want them to STFU. But it wasn't enough to live and let live, they have to get in our faces when we ignore them. Still, Islam vs. Western Society really showcases the lie. You aren't born that way. You become that way based on incentives and encouragement. People go where the privilege is. If you're a wuss or a fat female in our society, you just go be gay or become a tranny and life is good. In theirs, as a man you toughen up or become rape bait, the women become housekeepers or someone's fat wife.
    , @L Woods
    The only way in which it’s not preferable is the lack of alcohol. And I’m rapidly coming around on that point.
  74. @Anon
    Others have linked the rise in "Woke Capital" to the collapse of the Occupy movement in 2011.

    It seems quiant today, but the Occupy movement had a major effect on the course of the 2012 election, and could have spiraled into far bigger rioting in a period of high unemployment.

    The idea of "occupation" was based on the experience of Tunisia and Egypt, where the police were unable to remove protestor encampments without embarassing incidents of violence being broadcast worldwide by Al-Jazeera. Once the Tahrir Square crowd grew to enough size, it so threatened the military that they dismissed Mubarak.

    What the Occupiers were hoping for was a big crowd in the major cities large enough that it would have gained "revoluntionary consciousness". Being as it was formed right next door to the HQ's of major corporations, it surely had an impact.

    Occupy Movement was full on SJW and elite leftist controlled. Later on it became homeless encampments with a few lawyered up antifa to stop local governments from cleaning them up.

    Seeming them eventually get kicked out by left wing city governments was hilarious.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Occupy Movement was full on SJW and elite leftist controlled. Later on it became homeless encampments"

    If Antifa was running the government The entire U.S would turn into one huge Skid Row homeless encampment. Antifa need some helicopter rides wink wink.
  75. @syonredux

    Another difference between her and other leading feminists of her generation is that at a very early age she married a Muslim fellow student who swept her off her feet, flew her to Afghanistan, and held her captive there for several months (an experience recounted in her harrowing 2013 memoir An American Bride in Kabul). So unlike some feminists, she’s known all her adult life what a truly brutal patriarchy looks like – and has always been aware that America, whatever its faults, is “an exceptional country.”
     
    Interesting. According to WIKIPEDIA, she married this Afghan fellow in 1961. James A Michener's Caravans, which came out in 1963, involves an American woman who goes missing in Afghanistan shortly after marrying a Western-educated Muslim. Any possibility of influence?

    Western Muslims have been kidnapping random American women back to the homeland for a long time. Saudis do it the most.

  76. What most here miss is that the Fringe will not be torn apart by its internal contradictions. 2nd wave feminism gels perfectly fine with Islam under the overarching principle “white man bad”. This is enough to sustain it indefinitely.

    OT/ a thought: Steve has noted colleges seeking to find talented, underserved kids would do best to recruit at rural, flyover high schools that don’t send a majority of kids to college, not to recruit at urban high schools. Somewhat similarly, (I think) the conventional wisdom is that an increase in the franchise or voter participation would always necessarily benefit Democrats. Is this really the case though? Are their groups or areas where increasing turnout would benefit the GOP?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    2nd wave feminism gels perfectly fine with Islam under the overarching principle “white man bad”.
     
    This is why I have to give Heartiste credit for the notion that feminism is the world's biggest shit test ever.  Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.
  77. Anybody read the reviews on Amazon for it? Phew! Plenty of true believers who consider this just more red meat for future feminists. Steve, will you read it for us so she doesn’t get any of our money?

    Seriously.

  78. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Chesler was born and raised orthodox Jewish, yet she married a Muslim? Sheesh. That’s pure, adolescent-level rebelling against your parents right there. She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.

    • Replies: @FO337

    Chesler was born and raised orthodox Jewish, yet she married a Muslim? Sheesh. That’s pure, adolescent-level rebelling against your parents right there. She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.
     
    Perhaps the Jewish Experience in America, in microcosm? Time will tell.
    , @Twinkie

    She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.
     
    Sounds like you want conformist children! :)
  79. @Achmed E. Newman


    ... where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem.
     
    It's one hell of a problem if you're a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    Sure I do!

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I’m told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart’s desire.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    More likely, would make prostitution popular again, after destroying much of the social trust.

    Remember that the false rape accusations can be made not only against Chad who didn't call the next day, but against a husband, against the neighbour's husband (to get back at that bitch!), against the boy who didn't want to date her, against the coworker who stands in her way to the top of corporate hierachy, against the people they find gross and creepy, and against anyone just for the LOLs.

    A climate of false accusations only benefits sociopaths.
    , @James N. Kennett

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I’m told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart’s desire.
     
    I think this is what Dalrock calls the "Apex Fallacy". Attributing to all men the qualities of those who are most attractive to women.

    You know, it is always possible to ignore the chads, and date one of the many men who is not a chad, and does actually want to settle down and have kids. But those chads are soooo hot, and the non-chads are soooo boring, and it is so much more fun to chase the chads and then complain that they are only looking to pump and dump. And then look for another chad - maybe the next one will want to settle!

    Fortunately, there are grounds for optimism: substantial numbers of people are either predisposed to settling down, or are capable of learning from their bad experiences.
  80. @Anon
    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.

    K-pop is Gay-pop, so the homo thing is not a niche culture. Homos control that stuff in SK, Japan, and Taiwan. Michael-Jacksonization.

  81. @Jefferson
    "Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk."

    The vast majority of the Alt-Right are not having free casual sex, they are not playboy players. Most of them are sexless losers complaining on a Saturday night that they can not get a White girlfriend because the Jooz brainwashed all White women into only dating Black guys.

    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    • LOL: WHAT
    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @TheBoom


    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete
     
    That is only because you have rape
    fantasies and love being a single mother
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys......


    Lendserp be’s irresizatpl to Tinys cuzin Lendbert stretched Tinys out butt good


    Lendferg “willings to implement tangibull changes to Tinys natomy” pizzz
    , @Brutusale
    Despite all the numbers from the dating sites proving the contrary.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete
     
    you forgot to add: ...................in prison.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete'

    You may have come into being that way, but that doesn't make it a universal principle.

    Actually, and from what I have seen on the street, so to speak, black men tend to be the salvation of ugly white women. That's unpleasant, but it's the truth.

    , @tyrone
    Please tiny ,we don't want to hear about your love life.
  82. @Anon
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of “friends” after 9/11 when he criticized Islam’s adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Hitchens was right to denounce the ugly side of Islam, but he was wrong to side with Neocons in the bogus excuses for war against Iraq, a nation ruled by a secular leader(though tyrant to be sure).
    Didn't Hitchens realize that the Neocons, his new friends, were targeting Iraq than Saudi Arabia, the true Islamic tyranny?
    Also, didn't he know that 9/11 was blowback of the strangest kind? It wasn't blowback by those whom the US attacked or vilified. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Palestinians, and etc. had nothing to do with it. Oddly enough, it was blowback by the very forces whom the US and its allies had fostered and built up over the years. Just like Obama and Deep State used Jihadis and ISIS and Al Nusra against Syria and Libya, the US-Saudis-Israel-Pakistan had been building up the coalition of Wahabi hotheads to cause trouble against USSR and Iran since the late 70s. It was THOSE people who turned on the US because American soldiers occupied Saudi soil during the Gulf War, the main reason for the burning hatred against the US. And the Mossad surely knew what was up but instead of alerting the US intelligence about the plot, the nudge-nudged the terrorists into attacking NY, thereby having an excuse to wage Wars for Israel all over the Middle East.

    Frontpage runs some good stuff, but it is a Zionist publication that totally overlooks the Jewish globalist role in the mess in the Middle East. Neocons controlled Bush, Liberal Zionists controlled Obama. The result? Hell in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. And threats against Iran that could have broken out into war. And never-ending tyranny over Palestinians.

    Another thing. Why should it be OUR problem if Afghan society has an oppressive patriarchy? They are OVER THERE, and we are OVER HERE. No one forced that idiot feminist woman to marry some ragamuslim of Afghanistan and move there. She acted dumb.. like some white woman who go to Africa and join some black tribe. It was feminism that gave her the freedom to act real dumb. But them, some men marry femme fatale monster witches and ruin their own lives. Ace Rothstein in CASINO was dumb when it came to woman.

    The way I see it, Muslim Way is not a problem for us AS LONG AS Muslims are over there and we are over there. But why did Muslims pour into the West? Wars for Israel and Open Borders. Who made that possible? Muslims or Jews & white cucky-wucks? And even though many people fear that Sharia may spread in the West, I would say the bigger tragedy is Muslims become like Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian. Or some tranny Muslim.

    Furthermore, I say patriarchy, even the tribal Muslim kind is better than what the West has with Whoria, slut pride, homomania, and pornification of society. That stuff is toxic. While I prefer the Goldilocks middle, a society with harsh patriarchy is better than a society where men are cucky-wuck dorks who suck up to rapper Negroes, rancid homos, and vile bitches.
    Also, patriarchy wasn't just some Muslim thing. Look at ZORBA THE GREEK. The men there have a wicked way of punishing the 'whore'. Them are Christian folks.

    Even though I don't like theocratic tyranny, I don't like whore-ization of society either. In the long run, a theocracy will survive better than a whorocracy and cuckocracy.

    Good comment in general #425, but I got hung up on:

    But why did Muslims pour into the West? Wars for Israel and Open Borders. Who made that possible?

    The Moslems didn’t have to be let in here, even if we were to beat all hell out of the Middle East on behalf of Israel. There are people that want to destroy our society, and this is just one of the ways to do it. I believe feminism has done MUCH MORE damage. (That doesn’t mean I’m not for stopping the immigration invasion, especially the Moslem contingent.)

    As far as Europe goes, the Germans wanted cheap labor back 40 or more years back, but then they went full immi-retard with the Commie Merkel’s invitation to the world. The French and British had been stupidly letting in all kinds of people from their former colonies/commonwealths, until they went full-on immi-retard, especially with the purposeful devious policy of Tony Blair. The Swedish have always been just plain Socialist stupid cucks – that stuff can’t be cured.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The Moslems didn’t have to be let in here, even if we were to beat all hell out of the Middle East on behalf of Israel
     
    The importation of Muslims into the West is more the doing of diaspora Jews than of the Israelis. Diaspora Jews seem to think it's the only way to avoid another Holocaust.

    Actually the importation of Muslims into the West is perhaps the only way of countering out-of-control liberalism so it might not turn out the way the diaspora Jews intended.
  83. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Puerto Rico fertility has collapsed with the economy, albeit after decades of emigration by millions to the mainland.

    Part of the US fertility rate decline has been the previous regime's policy of free birth control, and the rise of the "sexodus phenomenon" among teenagers. The US was previously an outlier in OECD countries with teen pregnancy.

    We could also credit a salutary effect from the Teen Mom TV series, a rare example of degenerate pop culture backfiring.

    I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They’re breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US, and they’re too feckless and stupid to support themselves by their own efforts. They’re exactly like Dodo birds. Trying to live a modern life in Western civilization is making their unfit genes disappear.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They’re breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US,"


    Puerto Rico is 75% White and Mexico is 9% White. So Puerto Rican immigrants are racially superior to the Mexican immigrants that you love so much.

  84. @Jim Don Bob
    Google is silent on who raped Chessler.

    It was a harrowing episode that happened at a small social gathering in suburban Maryland sometime during the summer of ’82.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    The only thing Chessler really remembers from that day sometime in the 1980's is that SHE HAD ONE BEER!
    , @Inquiring Mind
    The Summer of '82? It has a good "ring" to it -- someone should make a movie with that title?

    These were the Early Reagan years while most Americans were removed from their jobs, having been drafted into the War on Inflation, resorting to shooting and skinning rabbits and small rodents to feed meat to their children.

    The movie centers on a privileged few, isolated from the ravages of High Interest Rates and high gasoline prices, leading a carefree life. It follows a young man, fumbling and failing in his attempt to offer up his virginity to a woman wearing a bathing suit under her sweater?
  85. @Jus' Sayin'...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk

    Thank you, J.S. A friend of mine told me about that song, along with a website by that name that became a split-off from Hot Air when their commenting system went to hell. It was cool – a whole bunch of the commenters said “hell with this” and moved onto the new site, billed as Hot Gas (formerly, Istanbul-not-Constantinople), now going by a 3rd name. That’s neither here nor there, is it, haha!

  86. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism

    by encouraging women to become wage-slaves, like their menfolk. The ex-communist Friedan was a “useful idiot” of capitalists.

    In 1963 Betty Friedan introduced the “problem that has no name” (female dissatisfaction). Surveys have shown that women are even more dissatisfied now than they were in 1963 – but of course no feminist will admit that Friedan’s prescription was mistaken.

  87. @Jefferson
    I am going to go out on a limb and say that among people who wear the t-shirt "The Future Is Female", ZERO percent of them would ever vote for a Female Republican for POTUS, governor, mayor, senator, congressperson, or dog catcher.

    WTH? Dog catchers are appointed.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/06/02/a-brief-history-of-people-who-have-actually-been-elected-dog-catcher/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ed354a18cca9

    In fact many have been elected dogcatcher.
  88. Maybe the combination of growing up a Jewish woman and in New York is particularly combustible.

  89. @Jefferson
    "I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists."

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.

    Islamists are not leftists. They share no values with leftists, other than the destruction of the West. They vote for leftist political parties because right now leftists are stupid enough to support them. Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes and other crimes of Muslims on non-Muslims, etc. The left will at some point wake up, but it will probably be too late.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Islamists are not leftists."

    Yes they are. Islamists believe in open borders for The West just like The Left does. Islamists also support the welfare state because they disproportionately benefit it from it in places like England, Minnesota, France, etc. Islam is not sending us their best.


    "Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes"


    The Left believe rape is sometimes okay which is why they believe Bill Clinton did nothing wrong. So The Left's views on rape is not that different from Islam.
    , @King Baeksu

    Islamists are not leftists.
     
    Islam literally means "Submission." Leftists also believe in total submission – to the false god of the state.

    If you believe in the sanctity of liberty, you are far more likely to be a conservative than a leftist.
  90. @SFG
    Interesting--I always thought more modern forms of feminism were notable for *not* attacking capitalism, instead trying to redistribute money from men to women and trying to make sure the women get to be capitalists. (Some of the more committed lefty feminists are actually angry about this.)

    If “trying to redistribute money from men to women” based solely on their sex rather than competence , ability or qualifications isn’t an attack on capitalism I don’t know what would be .

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    Having women enter the workforce en masse puts downward pressure on wages, which is in the interest of capitalists.

    Moreover, capitalism has an interest in making human beings interchangeable, with no distinctions based on non-merit factors such as sex, ethnicity, 'sexual orientation', etc. Promoting the idea that sex is meaningless encourages the fungibility of human beings, and I think in the long run this might help efficiency at the short-term expense of hiring women of lower competence.
  91. @SFG
    In that regard, yes, though it's kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don't have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110--women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don’t have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110…And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears…

    I believe it’s rather the opposite. There is now, always was, and always will be plenty of work for people of average mental abilities. The problem is that in our society today, such jobs are the only jobs that remain; and the habits, preferences, and proclivities of the mediocre middle are the only style of life that is tolerated. The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he’s forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic.

    As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being.

    Those possessing an IQ hovering between 110 and 120 are among the most irritating people around, because they are simply the right tail of “normal” and are almost universally subject to a Dunning-Krugerism of the second order. They know they are sharper than the average person, which makes them uppity and over-confident; but they cannot and do not realize how far below they are the real genius, who belongs to a different order altogether.

    • Replies: @Mickey
    Interesting comment. I think this is generally true of the 110-120 set. That said, speaking as someone who tested at 119, I find myself to be painfully aware of just how far removed I am from those people in the higher range. It’s like being in the horse latitudes of intelligence. You’re just smart enough to know how “dim” you are compared to those in the higher range...
    , @David Davenport
    ...The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he’s forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic...

    Dasein's cry-from-the heart autobio.

    ... As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being...

    Say what? An intelligent fan of Martin Heidegger failed at computer programming? The sky is crying! Say it ain't so!
  92. Globo-Homo-Afro Japan. Globo-homos control Japanese pop culture and promote this as New Image.

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/10/a-very-elaborate-ad-from-japan-it.html

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Globo-Homo-Afro Japan. Globo-homos control Japanese pop culture and promote this as New Image.
     
    Thats rather unmoored from the shores of reality.

    Unless the globohomos took over Nihon's media using Tleilaxu Face Dancers in the 60s maybe.
  93. I agree that a return to traditional sexual morality is desirable, and that social policies which promote promiscuity are undesirable. However, your earlier remark that you “can’t see [false rape charges] being much of a problem” is belied by the Kavanaugh controversy, not to mention the recent hysteria on college campuses (e.g. UVA, Duke Lacrosse).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosie

    I agree that a return to traditional sexual morality is desirable, and that social policies which promote promiscuity are undesirable. However, your earlier remark that you “can’t see [false rape charges] being much of a problem” is belied by the Kavanaugh controversy, not to mention the recent hysteria on college campuses (e.g. UVA, Duke Lacrosse).
     
    I didn't mean to say I don't think false rape charges are much of a problem, but that I don't think there is a risk of a new double standard emerging, or better yet I don't think it will matter, because women aren't interested in casual sex anyway.

    That said, I'm ambivalent about the Kavanaugh debacle. I d think it is ominous, but not for the same reasons as most around here. I think the risk to ordinary men who don't have enemies in high places is actually quite low, especially in same-race encounters among Whites. OTOH, I am quite bothered about how a judicial nomination process was turned into a public muck-raking spectacle. Even more concerning, I fear that what happened to Kavanaugh will discourage other conservatives from accepting a nomination in the future. I think that's what this was really about.
  94. Chesler offers up plenty of juicy gossip about the sisterhood. Steinem had stage fright and kept asking Chesler “to help her learn how to express anger.” Friedan, “cantankerous, abusive, abrasive,” and “an out-of-control drunk,” resented Steinem’s fame, considered her “a lightweight people-pleaser” and “copycat,” and even accused her “of being a CIA agent.” Friedan didn’t get along with Abzug, either, because, as Chesler amusingly puts it, they were both “hot Jewish tamale[s].” Millett came on to Chesler, “telling me she was in love with me,” and wouldn’t take no for an answer, barraging her with flowers and phone messages. Chesler met Sontag when the latter was already a literary intellectual superstar, but Chesler found her “naive.” The journalist Jill Johnston, “a lesbian Pied Piper” whom “Dykes followed…everywhere,” asked Chesler: “Don’t you think the Jews are taking over our movement?….There are so many loud and pushy Jewish feminists in New York.”

    Holy fucking echoes batman.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    The book should have been called Bad Stuff 'Bout Third-Wave Feminists.

    "Feminism been berry, berry good to me."

    "Gloria Steinem always use too much soap...Bella Abzug always borrow Phyllis' things and never bring back."
    , @King Baeksu
    Why would the CIA be interested in bankrolling early feminism?

    https://youtu.be/4HRUEqyZ7p8
  95. @Jus' Sayin'...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk

    It’s nobody business but the Turks! This must be where Steve got his line about invade the world, invite the world. Means mind our own business. Trump has been doing this well so far>>>> As much as he can with the Washingtoooon Swamp and scummy Democrat judges arrayed against him.

  96. @SFG
    Shulamith Firestone died alone in her apartment and the neighbors finally noticed the smell. Andrea Dworkin bloated up to hundreds of pounds. I'm sure you can find other examples.

    Kate Millett was actually committed, and wrote a pretty entertaining book about it, the Looney Bin Trip. Case of going off her meds, which she said she didn’t need.

    I suspect whether you initially needed them if not, after you’ve been taking them a few years you do need them.

  97. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    True, all too true.

  98. @Anon
    One item that creates a problem in this worldview is South Korea.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry. To top it off it has ethnic homogenity to the tune of 97%. Feminism and gay pride are largely niche movements that ape trends in the West.

    But yet there are problems with high suicide rates, the lowest fertility rate in the world, and a decadent popular culture. Population density is probably part of the problem.

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry.

    South Korea is experiencing rapid deindustrialization these days, and light industry is increasingly dominated by migrant workers from the developing world (you won’t see them so much in Seoul, but they are filling up provincial areas throughout the country).

    Young South Korean men thus generally seek to enter white-collar professions, but they find themselves having to compete with highly qualified women who didn’t waste nearly as much time in high school and college playing video games (which are very popular among the youth).

    In short, competition has gotten even more extreme in South Korean society in recent years, and this combined with traditional East Asian overinvestment in social expectations will inevitably have an impact on suicide rates.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design. I can't think of the last time I bought any Japan electronics though they still look very strong in automobiles. As a generalization the computers and laptops you buy in America as Dell - Apple - HP, are designed/engineered in Taiwan and assembled in mainland China where many of the components are manufactured. And the rest of the chips and components - chips are made elsewhere in Asia.
  99. @Achmed E. Newman
    WTH? Dog catchers are appointed.
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I wrote that one as a joke, Clyde, due to the fact that I haven't seen a dogcatcher in 30 years minimum. The dogs must run the whole show now - it was all that mean Reagan Administration, cutting this and cutting that.
  100. anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. Capitalism may exploit, but at least it has outgrown borders. The elite capitalist class are international cosmopolitans now, whether they are Jewish or Gentile. Big business seems to regard nations as a hinderance, as they’ve become more and more transnational.

    Companies like Apple may require suicide nets at their outsourced factories, but at least they are gay friendly and promote a happy image of upbeat globalism. It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it. Instead of fighting it, the power of business is being harnessed to advance other leftist interests. When you look at the sort of person who becomes CEO of a large company now days, it becomes apparent that something has changed over the last 15-20 years.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it.
     
    I think it's the other way around. Its the capitalists who have taken control of their opposition.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. "

    No, they are still campaigning for the sisters and daughters of the wealthy to sit in the boardroom alongside their brothers and fathers.

    As for working class women and men ... fuggedaboutit.
    , @dfordoom

    Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism.
     
    That's a nice way of saying they sold out. Becoming a cheerleader for capitalism gets you access to lots and lots of lovely corporate money. Essentially big business simply bought the Left.
  101. @SFG
    According to Wikipedia (probably accurate on this at least if not much else related to feminism), third wave is from the 1990s through about 2012. It was where we saw all the 'slutwalks' and sex-positivity. I'm guessing fourth wave ('rape culture' etc) came about with the straight fraction realizing they were being used.

    It's also where a lot of the intersectionality diversity-Pokemon-points stuff started.

    Notably, with second wave in the 70s and fourth wave extending to the present, the 80s are notable for lacking an era of feminism, which may be why the alt-right is so fond of synthwave and so on. (The 1950s are probably too distant to use as a model.)

    AIDS killed a lot of things in the 80’s. Both mentally and physically.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "AIDS killed a lot of things in the 80′s. Both mentally and physically."

    There are Left Wing conspiracy theorists who Ronald Reagan invented AIDS in order to commit genocide against Homosexuals. The same Left Wing conspiracy theorists who are glad that Alex Jones was censored, you know because The Left have zero principals.
  102. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    Priss, why do you write as Anon? Your comments do not show in archives.

  103. @Anon
    Others have linked the rise in "Woke Capital" to the collapse of the Occupy movement in 2011.

    It seems quiant today, but the Occupy movement had a major effect on the course of the 2012 election, and could have spiraled into far bigger rioting in a period of high unemployment.

    The idea of "occupation" was based on the experience of Tunisia and Egypt, where the police were unable to remove protestor encampments without embarassing incidents of violence being broadcast worldwide by Al-Jazeera. Once the Tahrir Square crowd grew to enough size, it so threatened the military that they dismissed Mubarak.

    What the Occupiers were hoping for was a big crowd in the major cities large enough that it would have gained "revoluntionary consciousness". Being as it was formed right next door to the HQ's of major corporations, it surely had an impact.

  104. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    I’d heard of the movie Norma Ray before, but been anti-union, anti-Commie, etc, so it doesn’t seem like anything I’d see. That video by the Black-Pilled guy was very good. Just to add to your list, I’d put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate “reckon I’ll have me some biscuits”, only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter), but now I can’t give more details to prove my point (been too long).

    About the movies set in the South, a whole lot of them also have really fake Southern accents, to the point of my quitting watching as soon as it gets too bad to listen to.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I’d put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate “reckon I’ll have me some biscuits”, only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter)

    Yeah, it has a decent homo character that is a nod to Hollywood values. But if not for the overt homo agenda all around us, one could regard as sympathetic than heroic. When the movie came out, Homomania had yet to hit the nation.

    Another thing. Even though the mother's boyfriend is a jerk, we can see how she is attracted to him and lets him to come around over and over. He is a real man and has the qualities a woman likes. He's not just a villain like the white hubby scumbag in FRIED GREEN TOMATOES, one of the most offensive movies I ever did see. It ends with the 'good guys' killing the redneck hubby, chopping him up, cooking him up as 'ribs', and serving him to 'racist' sheriffs. I don't know how more hateful a people can get than that.

    Billy Bob Thorton is libby-dib because creative types tend to be that way. And working in Hollywood made him more so. Still, because he has real roots in the South, he has a real feeling for the people that is lacking in movies made by Hollywood hipsters and urbanites. It's like Scorsese has a feel for Italians. And that's why even the jerk boyfriend in SLINGBLADE is more than a villain. We can see why the woman is attracted to him. And there are also sympathetic portrayals of Southern folks like when a store-owner, as a good Christian, decides against locking the 'retard' in the room after work. Duvall called Thorton 'Hillbilly Orson Welles'.

    https://youtu.be/Wss8PPCu_vk?t=11m55s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7CoK__SEo
    , @the one they call Desanex

    ... really fake Southern accents ...
     
    Gregory Peck didn’t even attempt a Southern accent in To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s comical that the kids (Mary Badham and Phillip Alford) were actually from Alabama and had authentic Alabama accents, yet the father, who supposedly taught them to speak, sounds Yankee.

    The broad who played Luke’s mother in Cool Hand Luke was the worst. When they say “anythin’”, they know nothin’. Southerners might say “anythang”, but never “anythin’”.
  105. @Anon
    I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They're breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US, and they're too feckless and stupid to support themselves by their own efforts. They're exactly like Dodo birds. Trying to live a modern life in Western civilization is making their unfit genes disappear.

    “I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They’re breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US,”

    Puerto Rico is 75% White and Mexico is 9% White. So Puerto Rican immigrants are racially superior to the Mexican immigrants that you love so much.

    • Replies: @Anon
    On a genetic ancestry basis that isn't accurate. PR has higher African admixture due to its history of sugarcane plantations. Mexico outside of some coastal regions doesn't.

    Mexico has a higher PISA than Puerto Rico.
  106. • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @FO337

    Ayers also addressed the writer of the note directly, saying she hoped that person was in the room. She called that person weak, cowardly and worthless.
     
    Well at least she got that part right.. .
    , @Pericles

    Despite the revelation that the authorities now believe Ayers sent the threats to herself, Student Senate President Maddie Sloat said the Student Senate will not "change its commitment to believing survivors."

     

    That'll be Judge Stoat in just a few years to you, citizens. Or maybe Senator, she hasn't decided yet.
  107. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of "friends" after 9/11 when he criticized Islam's adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    He’d already workshopped that in the 90s by, rather ostentatiously, calling out Sidney Blumenthal, synecdoche for The Clenis’s praetorians, on mounting a whispering/smear campaign against not yet stain-certified Monica L.

    It was revealing how the leftstream winced at the whole to-do less from the unseemly spectacle of squealing on a supposedly long-time personal friend than Hitchens’s move to actually do something about it and render an affidavit to the House majority, i.e. Republicans, Chambers-Hiss-style. In other words: would’ve all been Beltway-A-OK if he’d limited himself to ineffectual grandstanding on cable news, but he got greedy! Lol

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Clenis’s praetorians
     
    Not to be confused with the clitorians.
  108. @Jim Don Bob
    She was 40 when this happened.

    Here she is in 1972 when she was 32. YMMV.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/22/article-2429037-182B7AFF00000578-173_634x676.jpg

    That thick hair on Phy Chesler shows solid genetics. That her hippy-ness was unable to overwhelm. So she endures. She did dumb stuff like marrying Muslim but she endures.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    She did dumb stuff like marrying Muslim but she endures.
     
    The broad abides.
  109. @Svigor

    Chesler offers up plenty of juicy gossip about the sisterhood. Steinem had stage fright and kept asking Chesler “to help her learn how to express anger.” Friedan, “cantankerous, abusive, abrasive,” and “an out-of-control drunk,” resented Steinem’s fame, considered her “a lightweight people-pleaser” and “copycat,” and even accused her “of being a CIA agent.” Friedan didn’t get along with Abzug, either, because, as Chesler amusingly puts it, they were both “hot Jewish tamale[s].” Millett came on to Chesler, “telling me she was in love with me,” and wouldn’t take no for an answer, barraging her with flowers and phone messages. Chesler met Sontag when the latter was already a literary intellectual superstar, but Chesler found her “naive.” The journalist Jill Johnston, “a lesbian Pied Piper” whom “Dykes followed…everywhere,” asked Chesler: “Don’t you think the Jews are taking over our movement?….There are so many loud and pushy Jewish feminists in New York.”
     
    Holy fucking echoes batman.

    The book should have been called Bad Stuff ‘Bout Third-Wave Feminists.

    “Feminism been berry, berry good to me.”

    “Gloria Steinem always use too much soap…Bella Abzug always borrow Phyllis’ things and never bring back.”

  110. Speaking of mentally-ill women, a number of prominent actresses seem to rank high on the nutty scale:
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/kristen-bell-blasts-prince-charming-kissing-snow-w/

  111. @John Pepple
    Islamists are not leftists. They share no values with leftists, other than the destruction of the West. They vote for leftist political parties because right now leftists are stupid enough to support them. Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes and other crimes of Muslims on non-Muslims, etc. The left will at some point wake up, but it will probably be too late.

    “Islamists are not leftists.”

    Yes they are. Islamists believe in open borders for The West just like The Left does. Islamists also support the welfare state because they disproportionately benefit it from it in places like England, Minnesota, France, etc. Islam is not sending us their best.

    “Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes”

    The Left believe rape is sometimes okay which is why they believe Bill Clinton did nothing wrong. So The Left’s views on rape is not that different from Islam.

    • Replies: @Sabril
    Well it's not so easy to pin down the defining principles of Leftism and without that, the question of whether Islam is Leftist is not well defined.

    I think it's more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate to the perceived downtrodden; the most morally and intellectually superior.
    , @John Pepple
    1. They do not generally share values. Leftists pursue an egalitarian society, while Islamists don’t care about that at all. They just want whatever is traditionally Islamic, even including slavery. Leftists generally hate traditionalists, and in an earlier era claimed that religion is the opiate of the people. Leftists may as a matter of expedience overlook some rapes, but they do not approve of it. As far as I know, they haven’t even acknowledged that Bill Clinton raped anyone, but even assuming they did, they would do it because he supported legal abortion. Once they figure out that the Islamists don’t approve of abortion, they will realize the error of their ways.

    2. Islamists have murdered lots of leftists. Most victims were in Iran in 1979, but they have murdered Theo van Gogh, the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, gays in the Orlando nightclub, etc. If they are leftists, then why go after fellow leftists when there are so many other non-leftist targets to choose from?

    The case of Iran is especially compelling. Both leftists and Islamists worked to get the Shah overthrown, but once the Shah left, the Islamists took over and began butchering leftists. (They also butchered other groups, like the Kurds.) Again, why go after fellow leftists? These were people who helped them overthrow the Shah, but they showed not one iota of gratitude for that.

    3. Leftists outside of the West hate the Islamists. The commies in China have been throwing them into re-education camps. Leftists in the Muslim world are under no illusions about the Islamists, as Karima Bennoune’s book Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here makes clear.

    The weird alliance that currently exists between leftists here in the West and the Islamists is like the Nazi-Soviet pact, when leftists switched from being anti-Nazi to, if not pro-Nazi, at least anti-anti-Nazi. After 9/11, the left was horrified at the idea of actually being allied with ordinary Americans against people of the Third World, so they became pro-Muslim. I am confident that anyone who lays out the facts for them can get them to realize what a horrible blunder they are making with such an alliance, just as the Nazi-Soviet pact was a horrible blunder for the left when it was made.
  112. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    That video, “How Boomers Were Taught to Hate (Themselves)” is very good. Thanks for posting it. I’d seen it a while ago but forgot who did it.

    • Replies: @utu
    This one is also good
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqAfETtzYM
  113. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    I think that has been Occam’s explanation– left-feminists were always more resentment-fueled b/c of denying male vs. female nature and, in the resulting way of things, getting Weinsteined much more frequently than traditional girls were. Betty Friedan’s rebellious-housewife mythology gets it exactly backward. As they entered the work force women’s exposure to the panoply of “harassment” could only ever increase.

    As early as the 70s, satires of protest & flower-power culture always had that stock sleazy character lurking around to seduce liberal broads who didn’t need no chaperones like a bicycle for fish, you know. It’s a recipe for bad encounters with men

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    There is truth in this comment.

    Today we have girls who want to drink like the bad boys (and with the bad boys), and then of course get to know the hard-to-avoid bad consequences of blacking out in bad company. Then the problem is misogyny! Rape culture! Bible-bearing conservatives! Everything but doing shitty things with shitty people.
  114. @Hypnotoad666
    Chesler seems to be an example of someone who has reached the age where she no longer has to give a f**k about toeing the party line.

    People who still have to maintain their career prospects don't have that luxury.

    I get the feeling that there are many smart and intellectually honest people in academia and journalism who, even if they identify with left values, are secretly chafing under the conformist stupidity of the SJW Party Line.

    Someone really needs to start a movement/organization/label on the Left that could liberate these people to talk sense while still keeping their indispensable membership in the Liberal Establishment.

    Chesler seems to be an example of someone who has reached the age where she no longer has to give a f**k about toeing the party line.

    No, she fell back on the default position which for most Jews in old age is Judaism, Zionism, cult of Holocaust with a dose of Islamophobia nowadays. In other words things that are important to the Jews and their survival.

    In 2015 she published The New Anti-Semitism

    A dangerous worldwide coalition of Islamic terrorists, well-intentioned but misinformed students, right-wing fascists, left-wing ideologues, academics, feminists, European politicians, journalists, and international human rights organisations have joined together to again scapegoat the Jews and the Jewish state for crimes they did not commit and for whatever ails the world. In this intensely passionate and compelling book, the best-selling and prize-winning Jewish feminist author Dr Phyllis Chesler demonstrates how old-fashioned anti-Semitism — now often seen in the form of anti-Zionism — has become fashionable and even politically correct, and how this plague threatens the Jews of the world, Israel, America, and Western civilization.

    Her trajectory was opposite to that of Jane Fonda who from the universal concerns about justice, war and peace eded up doing Vagina Dialogues. But Chesler is no longer concern with her vagina or vaginas in general but with what is good for Jews. And it can be speculated that her concerns with vaginas in the past also served Jewish diaspora interests.

  115. @Dtbb
    AIDS killed a lot of things in the 80's. Both mentally and physically.

    “AIDS killed a lot of things in the 80′s. Both mentally and physically.”

    There are Left Wing conspiracy theorists who Ronald Reagan invented AIDS in order to commit genocide against Homosexuals. The same Left Wing conspiracy theorists who are glad that Alex Jones was censored, you know because The Left have zero principals.

  116. @King Baeksu

    This is a country with a clearly defined enemy, mandatory conscription, a faster growing economy with a significant presence of heavy industry.
     
    South Korea is experiencing rapid deindustrialization these days, and light industry is increasingly dominated by migrant workers from the developing world (you won't see them so much in Seoul, but they are filling up provincial areas throughout the country).

    Young South Korean men thus generally seek to enter white-collar professions, but they find themselves having to compete with highly qualified women who didn't waste nearly as much time in high school and college playing video games (which are very popular among the youth).

    In short, competition has gotten even more extreme in South Korean society in recent years, and this combined with traditional East Asian overinvestment in social expectations will inevitably have an impact on suicide rates.

    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design. I can’t think of the last time I bought any Japan electronics though they still look very strong in automobiles. As a generalization the computers and laptops you buy in America as Dell – Apple – HP, are designed/engineered in Taiwan and assembled in mainland China where many of the components are manufactured. And the rest of the chips and components – chips are made elsewhere in Asia.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu

    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design.
     
    Anecdotally, I once had a dinner date with a friend who works for Samsung a few years ago and had to wait outside of her building in southern Seoul. I noted several Indian engineers exiting the building in a fairly short period of time.

    Meanwhile, Samsung has offshored a majority of its smartphone production to Vietnam:

    Samsung Electronics is currently manufacturing 50 percent of its mobile phones in Vietnam and only 8 percent in Korea.

    Source: http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=8785

    I've met a number of highly motivated female engineers here in Seoul. They speak and write fluent English, and often have advanced degrees from elite universities. As I said before, competition is very tough for young South Korean men these days.
  117. @Buck Ransom
    It was a harrowing episode that happened at a small social gathering in suburban Maryland sometime during the summer of '82.

    The only thing Chessler really remembers from that day sometime in the 1980’s is that SHE HAD ONE BEER!

  118. @Clyde
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/06/02/a-brief-history-of-people-who-have-actually-been-elected-dog-catcher/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ed354a18cca9

    In fact many have been elected dogcatcher.

    I wrote that one as a joke, Clyde, due to the fact that I haven’t seen a dogcatcher in 30 years minimum. The dogs must run the whole show now – it was all that mean Reagan Administration, cutting this and cutting that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    According to Victor D. Hanson, the dearth of dog-catchers, official or otherwise, is causing a lifestyle catastrophe in the formerly idyllic Fresno Co. outer wastelands:
    http://www.hoover.org/research/diversity-illegal-immigration
  119. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I'd heard of the movie Norma Ray before, but been anti-union, anti-Commie, etc, so it doesn't seem like anything I'd see. That video by the Black-Pilled guy was very good. Just to add to your list, I'd put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate "reckon I'll have me some biscuits", only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter), but now I can't give more details to prove my point (been too long).

    About the movies set in the South, a whole lot of them also have really fake Southern accents, to the point of my quitting watching as soon as it gets too bad to listen to.

    I’d put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate “reckon I’ll have me some biscuits”, only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter)

    Yeah, it has a decent homo character that is a nod to Hollywood values. But if not for the overt homo agenda all around us, one could regard as sympathetic than heroic. When the movie came out, Homomania had yet to hit the nation.

    Another thing. Even though the mother’s boyfriend is a jerk, we can see how she is attracted to him and lets him to come around over and over. He is a real man and has the qualities a woman likes. He’s not just a villain like the white hubby scumbag in FRIED GREEN TOMATOES, one of the most offensive movies I ever did see. It ends with the ‘good guys’ killing the redneck hubby, chopping him up, cooking him up as ‘ribs’, and serving him to ‘racist’ sheriffs. I don’t know how more hateful a people can get than that.

    Billy Bob Thorton is libby-dib because creative types tend to be that way. And working in Hollywood made him more so. Still, because he has real roots in the South, he has a real feeling for the people that is lacking in movies made by Hollywood hipsters and urbanites. It’s like Scorsese has a feel for Italians. And that’s why even the jerk boyfriend in SLINGBLADE is more than a villain. We can see why the woman is attracted to him. And there are also sympathetic portrayals of Southern folks like when a store-owner, as a good Christian, decides against locking the ‘retard’ in the room after work. Duvall called Thorton ‘Hillbilly Orson Welles’.

  120. @Clyde
    That thick hair on Phy Chesler shows solid genetics. That her hippy-ness was unable to overwhelm. So she endures. She did dumb stuff like marrying Muslim but she endures.

    She did dumb stuff like marrying Muslim but she endures.

    The broad abides.

  121. @Rosie

    And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!
     
    And of course you are well within your rights to resist this! Just don't blame all women for the actions of the minority. After all, the reason they're claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we're just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren't even interested in tech themselves!

    “After all, the reason they’re claiming sexism is because women are underrepresented, because the fact is we’re just not interested in tech. Notice that even the radical feminists who berate us for not being interested in tech aren’t even interested in tech themselves!”

    Probably like 0.5% of the pussy hat feminists who were protesting Brett Kavanaugh in Washington DC know how to code or program a computer. Not a lot of pussy hat feminists are tech nerds.

  122. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    Priss aka Priss Factory and Factor outranks many of the alleged, so called columnists here at Unz.

  123. @Tiny Duck
    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    That is only because you have rape
    fantasies and love being a single mother

  124. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    According to Wikipedia (probably accurate on this at least if not much else related to feminism), third wave is from the 1990s through about 2012. It was where we saw all the 'slutwalks' and sex-positivity. I'm guessing fourth wave ('rape culture' etc) came about with the straight fraction realizing they were being used.

    It's also where a lot of the intersectionality diversity-Pokemon-points stuff started.

    Notably, with second wave in the 70s and fourth wave extending to the present, the 80s are notable for lacking an era of feminism, which may be why the alt-right is so fond of synthwave and so on. (The 1950s are probably too distant to use as a model.)

    Movies from the late 70s/early 80s can be retrospectively hilariously sexist. John Hughes was the comparative woke progtard of the bunch. There were occasional P.C. fests like “The Color Purple” or “Silkwood.” Glenn Close was nominated for “Fatal Attraction” in ’88 (losing to Cher for “Moonstruck”). Ridley Scott’s “Thelma & Louise” came out in ’91.

  125. @Jefferson
    "I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists."

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.

    No they don’t.  They only vote as part of an anti-Western bloc out of convenience (for da gibs), while they establish their parallel societies living by unabashedly patriarchal rules.  When they get enough political power they nominate their own candidates and push their own agendas.  They will still form a coalition against the parties of Western civ, so long as the left doesn’t force leftism on them personally.

    If the left demanded that Muslims live by feminist rules from the get-go, they’d leave in droves.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "No they don’t."

    Yes they do. Muslims in Europe do not vote for Nationalist Populist parties that want to end open borders.

    A whopping 80% of Muslims in The U.S voted for Hillary Clinton.

    Islam Stands With Hillary. Islam thinks MAGA is racist.

  126. @Big duck
    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    A UN delegate from stinkin Sierra Leone which I only know is in Africa and that Trump calls it a shthle. Probably the Ebola birthplace.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Along with the usual Pokemon points, you can add diplomatic immunity; shades of the ''89 movie Lethal Weapon II where the bad guys were, of course, White, and from So. Africa.

    From the link:


    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women. Ms. might be accused of racism – an even greater sin than sexism. Therefore, Chesler’s rape was swept under the rug and Ms. marched forward toward the sunny uplands of the pussy-hatted women’s march to protest the first presidential campaign successfully managed by a woman (Kellyanne Conway), after having first marched over the bodies of Bill Clinton’s numerous sexual victims.
     
    Whoa; omelettes must be made, eggs must be broken.
  127. Rarely do I come across any article that gives a better encapsulation of the cause of the dreadful transformation that has occurred in the US.

    Mentally ill, Jewish women from the East coast who are antagonistic to men, whites, and fly over country transformed the culture. Chesler’s rape by an African and the cover up of it by feminist inc even brings in the Pokemon point system of victimhood where blacks outrank women

    • Replies: @El Dato
    One could imagine an episode of Star Trek where the Enterprise loses it an warps into an alternate history equal to the one just described. After beaming down, Spock is granted honorary black status while Kirk is cruelly metooed by at least 20 females in a show process as Uhura looks on incomprehendingly.
  128. @Anthony Wayne
    What most here miss is that the Fringe will not be torn apart by its internal contradictions. 2nd wave feminism gels perfectly fine with Islam under the overarching principle “white man bad”. This is enough to sustain it indefinitely.

    OT/ a thought: Steve has noted colleges seeking to find talented, underserved kids would do best to recruit at rural, flyover high schools that don’t send a majority of kids to college, not to recruit at urban high schools. Somewhat similarly, (I think) the conventional wisdom is that an increase in the franchise or voter participation would always necessarily benefit Democrats. Is this really the case though? Are their groups or areas where increasing turnout would benefit the GOP?

    2nd wave feminism gels perfectly fine with Islam under the overarching principle “white man bad”.

    This is why I have to give Heartiste credit for the notion that feminism is the world’s biggest shit test ever.  Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.
     
    I think it's rather that they're pining for shekels, and dare not cross their paymasters.
  129. @Tiny Duck
    Man I can't wait until the demographics change and arrogant white male Christian's get a taste of the brutality they have perpetrated on the People for eons


    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Ohs Tinys……

    Cants waits till laters when Lenderp perpetrates brutality on Tinys backside……

    Lendsperp “Getz teh job dun” Plibs

  130. @Anon
    Chesler was born and raised orthodox Jewish, yet she married a Muslim? Sheesh. That's pure, adolescent-level rebelling against your parents right there. She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you're prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.

    Chesler was born and raised orthodox Jewish, yet she married a Muslim? Sheesh. That’s pure, adolescent-level rebelling against your parents right there. She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.

    Perhaps the Jewish Experience in America, in microcosm? Time will tell.

  131. @Jefferson
    "I glanced at the fertility rate for Puerto Rico. 1.3 in 2016. Thank God. They’re breeding themselves out at this rate. Nobody wants them in the US,"


    Puerto Rico is 75% White and Mexico is 9% White. So Puerto Rican immigrants are racially superior to the Mexican immigrants that you love so much.

    On a genetic ancestry basis that isn’t accurate. PR has higher African admixture due to its history of sugarcane plantations. Mexico outside of some coastal regions doesn’t.

    Mexico has a higher PISA than Puerto Rico.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "On a genetic ancestry basis that isn’t accurate."

    On a genetic ancestry basis it is 100% accurate. Puerto Ricans carry more European DNA than Mexicans.

  132. @DuanDiRen
    OT: Demand outstrips supply.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/21/ohio-hoax-death-threat-anna-ayers

    A.

    Ayers also addressed the writer of the note directly, saying she hoped that person was in the room. She called that person weak, cowardly and worthless.

    Well at least she got that part right.. .

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @FO337
    https://snworksceo.imgix.net/ohi/c2b35d41-053e-43e4-8866-7dede1c1a206.sized-1000x1000.jpg?w=1000

    "Just trying to raise awareness"
  133. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Yeah, it’s a progressive-Victorian fiction. From an evolution/selection POV I don’t see how someone thinks that female Homo sapiens are “uninterested” in sex and that it DOESN’T guide their earthly behavior fundamentally.

    Reasons why they’d be pickier about the cost/benefit of their chosen vehicle? Sure. Reasons why they’d still make laughably bad choices in spite of, or owing to, this constraint? Arguable. But the subspecies who didn’t like sex dwindled to extinction a few hundred thousand years back, after yielding fewer offspring per capita. Even nuns are obsessed with sex.

  134. @FO337

    Ayers also addressed the writer of the note directly, saying she hoped that person was in the room. She called that person weak, cowardly and worthless.
     
    Well at least she got that part right.. .

    “Just trying to raise awareness”

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I can imagine her girlfriends:

    "You should date Black men."
  135. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
    K whatever.

    I guess that's why men constantly bitch and moan about their wives' lack of interest in sex.

    I guess that’s why harlequin romance novels haven’t been spotted on the shelves since their (abortive) debut in 1949.

    I guess that’s also why every business trying to sell lipstick, hair dye, or breast implants instantly went bankrupt after failing to find customers.

    I guess that’s also why Tiger Beat switched its format in 1996 from cute non-threatening boys to analysis of soybean futures.

    I guess that’s also why rates of STDs among elderly women in nursing homes have not been increasing at the same rate as among 20-24 year olds. Additionally, why STD rates for women have been in decline since the advent of record-keeping.

    I guess that’s why no married woman has ever cheated on her husband with another lower-status man, or woman. Much less has it been the subject of any work of art, literature, or music.

    I guess it explains why Cosmopolitan re-uses the same quiz about needlepoint and laundry soap every month. What else can they do to attract female readers

    • Replies: @Rosie
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-tangled-wing/201008/sex-differences-insex
    , @donut
    " harlequin romance novels " . When I worked on the ships the office regularly sent boxes of paperbacks out to us . They were usually 1/4 Westerns , 1/4 , popular novels , 1/4 nonfiction and 1/4 Romance novels . As you would expect the bookshelves in the crew and officer lounges were full of untouched Romance novels . It always puzzled me who was selecting the books .
    Every Christmas all the crew would get a package from the Seaman's Church with some goodies including a scarf knitted by volunteers .
    , @Anonymous
    For a long time Harlequin put out twelve new titles a month, 144 a year. FW Woolworth’s was the biggest retailer of them. My aunt Lorna had a collection of at least a thousand of them when she died. We were “asked” to take them as my mother ran a used book store. Over the winter of ‘83, I think it was, they kept us warm in the fireplace along with Reader’s Digest Condensed Books, church bibles and hymnals, Gideon bibles (the Gideon’s won’t take them back even if they are in perfect shape, and you will be thought of as fencing stolen goods if you try to resell them, since the only way to get them is steal them from a hotel room) and miscellaneous unsellable books.

    Book burning is actually an arcane art since most burn poorly. You have to get them really hot and keep the fire hot: if they cool off you get a black sooty unreignitable mass. But by February I pretty well had it down.

    Book ashes were exceptionally good for decorative gardens, but given the toxic heavy metals in some, I would never use them for edible plants.
  136. @Anon
    On a genetic ancestry basis that isn't accurate. PR has higher African admixture due to its history of sugarcane plantations. Mexico outside of some coastal regions doesn't.

    Mexico has a higher PISA than Puerto Rico.

    “On a genetic ancestry basis that isn’t accurate.”

    On a genetic ancestry basis it is 100% accurate. Puerto Ricans carry more European DNA than Mexicans.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @136 Jefferson: "On a genetic ancestry basis it is 100% accurate. Puerto Ricans carry more European DNA than Mexicans."

    Jefferson, obsessed with physiognomy and DNA.

    Average Puerto Rican: 12% Native American, 65% West Eurasian (Mediterranean, Northern European and/or Middle Eastern) and 20% Sub-Saharan African DNA.
    Genographic project Puerto Rico


    Average Mexican: A 2006 study conducted by Mexico's National Institute of Genomic Medicine (INMEGEN), which genotyped 104 samples, reported that mestizo Mexicans are 58.96% European, 35.05% "Asian" (primarily Amerindian), and 5.03% Other. Of the six states that participated in the Study, the state of Sonora showed the highest European ancestry being approximately 70% while the State of Guerrero presented the lowest European ancestry, at around 50%.[105]

    According to a 2009 report by the Mexican Genome Project, which sampled 300 Mexicans who self-identified as Mestizos from six Mexican states and one indigenous group, the gene pool of the Mexicans population was calculated to be 55.2% percent indigenous, 41.8% European, 1.0% African, and 1.2% Asian.[97]

    An autosomal study performed in Mestizos from Mexico's three largest cities reported that Mestizos from Mexico city had an average ancestry of 50% European, 1% African and 49% Amerindian whereas Mestizos from the cities of Monterrey and Guadalajara had both a European ancestry of 60% and an indigenous ancestry of 40% in average.[106]

    An autosomal study performed in Mexicans from the states of Nuevo Leon, Zacatecas and San Luis Potosi found the average indigenous ancestry to be 22% while 78% of the genetic ancestry was of Spanish/European origin.[107]

    An autosomal study performed in Mexico City reported that Mexican mestizos' mean ancestry was 57% European, 40% Amerindian and 3% African.[95] (from Wikipedia)

    So technically, while Puerto Ricans on average have perhaps 10% more European ancestry, they also have about 7 times the sub-Saharan admixture that Mexican Mestizos have. Pick your poison.
  137. @Neoconned
    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now....

    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now….

    Don’t let the door hitcha where the Good Lord splitcha.

  138. My goodness me! The Founding Feminists were a bunch of drunks whores and Thorazine-eating whackos. Who would have guessed? Another purity narrative comes crashing down. The only way a man should interact with a feminist is to blow acrid cigar smoke in her face and say: “Shaddap!”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  139. @Achmed E. Newman


    ... where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem.
     
    It's one hell of a problem if you're a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups

    Easier still, steal a notary stamp to certify her signature on the consent form.
    Yes it’s trouble.
    But it’s a a lot less trouble than the old fashioned courtship dating and months of begging.

    Or find a cheap prostitute

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Now, now, are you saying a prostitute can't at some later date realize it was rape?
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups.
     
    Yes, that's very romantic and will work out well. It's bad enough even being a lawyer out on a date period (I'm not one), but bringing your work with you? How come you don't read this part in the Harlequin Romance books? I guess it's for brevity.

    Or find a cheap prostitute.
     
    Or an expensive one, for that matter - it's still much cheaper to rent than buy. Being married for a man is only for the big benefit for the children - NOTE: In this day and age.
  140. @anonymous
    Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. Capitalism may exploit, but at least it has outgrown borders. The elite capitalist class are international cosmopolitans now, whether they are Jewish or Gentile. Big business seems to regard nations as a hinderance, as they've become more and more transnational.

    Companies like Apple may require suicide nets at their outsourced factories, but at least they are gay friendly and promote a happy image of upbeat globalism. It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it. Instead of fighting it, the power of business is being harnessed to advance other leftist interests. When you look at the sort of person who becomes CEO of a large company now days, it becomes apparent that something has changed over the last 15-20 years.

    It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it.

    I think it’s the other way around. Its the capitalists who have taken control of their opposition.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Bingo.

    That's why it's so important that we identify them correctly as globalists and/or oligarchs. The real Left is a powerful potential ally in taking them on.
    , @JackOH
    Spot on, Rosie. My guess is that capitalists sort of resisted the hiring of out-groups despite the lower wages and salaries out-group folks commanded pretty much because capitalists didn't want to alienate White dudes and rattle traditional patterns of behaviors and expectations.

    After the 1960s brought with it a whole raft of equalitarian mandates, capitalists ended up with a sort of win-win. They could lay on those out-group folks more freely, and deflect the wrath of those alienated White dudes by saying the government made them do it.

    I think the fly in the ointment is that those 1960s "liberationisms" promised implicitly that Blacks, women, and gays would add to the existing stock of national talent without displacing those White dudes. But I think displacement is exactly what's happening, which is why you see a bit of anger here.

  141. @Clyde
    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design. I can't think of the last time I bought any Japan electronics though they still look very strong in automobiles. As a generalization the computers and laptops you buy in America as Dell - Apple - HP, are designed/engineered in Taiwan and assembled in mainland China where many of the components are manufactured. And the rest of the chips and components - chips are made elsewhere in Asia.

    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design.

    Anecdotally, I once had a dinner date with a friend who works for Samsung a few years ago and had to wait outside of her building in southern Seoul. I noted several Indian engineers exiting the building in a fairly short period of time.

    Meanwhile, Samsung has offshored a majority of its smartphone production to Vietnam:

    Samsung Electronics is currently manufacturing 50 percent of its mobile phones in Vietnam and only 8 percent in Korea.

    Source: http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=8785

    I’ve met a number of highly motivated female engineers here in Seoul. They speak and write fluent English, and often have advanced degrees from elite universities. As I said before, competition is very tough for young South Korean men these days.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    Because the men are forced to serve in the military for two years and the women are not.
  142. @Clyde

    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up
     
    A UN delegate from stinkin Sierra Leone which I only know is in Africa and that Trump calls it a shthle. Probably the Ebola birthplace.

    Along with the usual Pokemon points, you can add diplomatic immunity; shades of the ”89 movie Lethal Weapon II where the bad guys were, of course, White, and from So. Africa.

    From the link:

    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women. Ms. might be accused of racism – an even greater sin than sexism. Therefore, Chesler’s rape was swept under the rug and Ms. marched forward toward the sunny uplands of the pussy-hatted women’s march to protest the first presidential campaign successfully managed by a woman (Kellyanne Conway), after having first marched over the bodies of Bill Clinton’s numerous sexual victims.

    Whoa; omelettes must be made, eggs must be broken.

  143. @Mr. Rational

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.
     
    No they don't.  They only vote as part of an anti-Western bloc out of convenience (for da gibs), while they establish their parallel societies living by unabashedly patriarchal rules.  When they get enough political power they nominate their own candidates and push their own agendas.  They will still form a coalition against the parties of Western civ, so long as the left doesn't force leftism on them personally.

    If the left demanded that Muslims live by feminist rules from the get-go, they'd leave in droves.

    “No they don’t.”

    Yes they do. Muslims in Europe do not vote for Nationalist Populist parties that want to end open borders.

    A whopping 80% of Muslims in The U.S voted for Hillary Clinton.

    Islam Stands With Hillary. Islam thinks MAGA is racist.

    • Disagree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    What part of "Islam supports Hillary, because Hillary is against America" is hard to understand?
  144. @Mr. Rational

    2nd wave feminism gels perfectly fine with Islam under the overarching principle “white man bad”.
     
    This is why I have to give Heartiste credit for the notion that feminism is the world's biggest shit test ever.  Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.

    Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.

    I think it’s rather that they’re pining for shekels, and dare not cross their paymasters.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think it’s rather that they’re pining for shekels, and dare not cross their paymasters."

    Feminists love Islam because they believe only Islam can kill the White male patriarchy.

    Feminists are in love with the Muslim Linda Sarsour. She is their Louis Farrakhan.
  145. @Achmed E. Newman
    I wrote that one as a joke, Clyde, due to the fact that I haven't seen a dogcatcher in 30 years minimum. The dogs must run the whole show now - it was all that mean Reagan Administration, cutting this and cutting that.

    According to Victor D. Hanson, the dearth of dog-catchers, official or otherwise, is causing a lifestyle catastrophe in the formerly idyllic Fresno Co. outer wastelands:
    http://www.hoover.org/research/diversity-illegal-immigration

    • Replies: @bomag
    VDH, a good chronicler of the decline.

    His anecdotes about the local rubbish problems portends the future: too many people for their logistical capabilities.

  146. @Neoconned
    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now....

    So convert and move to an Islamic country. It may seem like a paradise for men from the outside.
    But men are subject to the same standards as women.

    There is the compulsory celibacy, no dating friendship or even casual aquaintance with women arranged with no way out marriages and being the sole support of the family compulsory attendance at services closing the business for daily prayer 5 times a day universal homosexuality extortion and other unpleasant things

    So you don’t approve of legalized porn? Pakistan has the highest rate of internet porn viewing, both gay and hetero, followed by other Islamic countries.

    You don’t approve of rape? Rape was very rare in Europe till the Muslim invasion. I know I know, it’s all the fault of European women for their slutty clothing, especially in N European winters when they are buried in heavy coats scarves hats pants and boots.

    If you don’t believe in supporting your children you can sell the girls to another family for temporary marriages and live off your daughters aka pimping and procuring in the decadent west

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Notice how I said SOME WAYS and not ALL.....right?
  147. @Nadir
    I agree that a return to traditional sexual morality is desirable, and that social policies which promote promiscuity are undesirable. However, your earlier remark that you "can’t see [false rape charges] being much of a problem" is belied by the Kavanaugh controversy, not to mention the recent hysteria on college campuses (e.g. UVA, Duke Lacrosse).

    I agree that a return to traditional sexual morality is desirable, and that social policies which promote promiscuity are undesirable. However, your earlier remark that you “can’t see [false rape charges] being much of a problem” is belied by the Kavanaugh controversy, not to mention the recent hysteria on college campuses (e.g. UVA, Duke Lacrosse).

    I didn’t mean to say I don’t think false rape charges are much of a problem, but that I don’t think there is a risk of a new double standard emerging, or better yet I don’t think it will matter, because women aren’t interested in casual sex anyway.

    That said, I’m ambivalent about the Kavanaugh debacle. I d think it is ominous, but not for the same reasons as most around here. I think the risk to ordinary men who don’t have enemies in high places is actually quite low, especially in same-race encounters among Whites. OTOH, I am quite bothered about how a judicial nomination process was turned into a public muck-raking spectacle. Even more concerning, I fear that what happened to Kavanaugh will discourage other conservatives from accepting a nomination in the future. I think that’s what this was really about.

  148. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    You should read Pinker on this issue. He lays out ample evidence that women are far more monogamous than men, for genetic and evolutionary reasons.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    Schopenhauer, the youthful Lothario turned celibate, who had much experience and few illusions about women and who fully understood both evolutionary theory and "game" avant la lettre, agrees with Pinker and Rosie here.

    It isn't Victorianism, it's just reality. And no one is suggesting that women are innocent, only that their sexuality is quite different from men's.
  149. @Anonymous
    I guess that's why harlequin romance novels haven't been spotted on the shelves since their (abortive) debut in 1949.

    I guess that's also why every business trying to sell lipstick, hair dye, or breast implants instantly went bankrupt after failing to find customers.

    I guess that's also why Tiger Beat switched its format in 1996 from cute non-threatening boys to analysis of soybean futures.

    I guess that's also why rates of STDs among elderly women in nursing homes have not been increasing at the same rate as among 20-24 year olds. Additionally, why STD rates for women have been in decline since the advent of record-keeping.

    I guess that's why no married woman has ever cheated on her husband with another lower-status man, or woman. Much less has it been the subject of any work of art, literature, or music.

    I guess it explains why Cosmopolitan re-uses the same quiz about needlepoint and laundry soap every month. What else can they do to attract female readers

  150. @Rosie

    Feminists who support Islam are pining for the pimp hand.
     
    I think it's rather that they're pining for shekels, and dare not cross their paymasters.

    “I think it’s rather that they’re pining for shekels, and dare not cross their paymasters.”

    Feminists love Islam because they believe only Islam can kill the White male patriarchy.

    Feminists are in love with the Muslim Linda Sarsour. She is their Louis Farrakhan.

  151. @Anon
    Chesler was born and raised orthodox Jewish, yet she married a Muslim? Sheesh. That's pure, adolescent-level rebelling against your parents right there. She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you're prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.

    She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.

    Sounds like you want conformist children! 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon
    Frankly, I can think of many better mates than a Muslim from a third-world country. As whites go, that's the rock-bottom tier.
  152. A butch dyke German be loving her some Islam. Too bad she can’t be one of The Prophet Mohammad’s virgin wives when she dies because she is a Lesbian. But maybe the sight of The Prophet Mohammad’s sexy black hairy Chewbacca chest will turn her Straight.

    One German pussy hat feminist looks like she wants to cry while hearing the sounds of Allahu Akbar on the megaphone like it’s the most beautiful words she has ever heard in her entire life.

  153. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist
    American-style libertarianism in the last century came from the same pool of damaged, sterile women who couldn't form stable marriages.

    Namely, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane and, of course, Ayn Rand.

    American-style libertarianism in the last century came from the same pool of damaged, sterile women who couldn’t form stable marriages.

    Namely, Isabel Paterson, Rose Wilder Lane and, of course, Ayn Rand.

    Ayn “Mad Malice Rosenbomb” Rand of course was stably married to the otherwise unknown artist Frank O’Connor , but she did have a sitdown with him and the ((Brandens)) (anagram of Ben Rand), Nathan(iel) and Barbara, and explain to him and each other’s spouses that it would be logical for Ayn and Nathaniel to begin copulating. All agreed to this and soon Ayn and Nathaniel began screwing like rabbits for a considerable time. When Nathaniel got tired of this arrangement Ayn exploded and cut him out of her life and the Objectivist movement entirely.

    Both Barbara and Nathaniuel Branden wrote quite good books on the subject and it was covered in some depth by the film starring Helen Mirren and Eric Stoltz. At least it showed the screwing like rabbits part: not having seen the film yet, I don’t know how true it is to the actual events, as depicted by everyone besides Rand and her pet poodle Peikoff.

  154. @King Baeksu

    At least Samsung still dominates in many electronics areas. How do you explain this? They are the old guard who carefully pick the young recruits to work there in engineering and design.
     
    Anecdotally, I once had a dinner date with a friend who works for Samsung a few years ago and had to wait outside of her building in southern Seoul. I noted several Indian engineers exiting the building in a fairly short period of time.

    Meanwhile, Samsung has offshored a majority of its smartphone production to Vietnam:

    Samsung Electronics is currently manufacturing 50 percent of its mobile phones in Vietnam and only 8 percent in Korea.

    Source: http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=8785

    I've met a number of highly motivated female engineers here in Seoul. They speak and write fluent English, and often have advanced degrees from elite universities. As I said before, competition is very tough for young South Korean men these days.

    Because the men are forced to serve in the military for two years and the women are not.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    Yes, but that is changing. South Korean women are increasingly serving in the military as well.

    https://youtu.be/Q5PjDlN993g

  155. @Tiny Duck
    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    Ohs Tinys……

    Lendserp be’s irresizatpl to Tinys cuzin Lendbert stretched Tinys out butt good

    Lendferg “willings to implement tangibull changes to Tinys natomy” pizzz

  156. Here is a taste of Carl Friedan on his ex-wife Betty Friedan from back in 2000 when she bad-mouthed him as a violent man in her autobiography, “My Life So Far”.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20000818025853/http://www.carlfriedan.com:80/main.html

    She was a nasty, drunken, violent piece of work. Major daddy and mommy issues.

    There’s lots more at archive.org that Carl wrote in self-defense when Betty’s book came out (he was 81 in 2000).

    When I read it originally I pictured Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolff”:

  157. @anon

    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
    You should read Pinker on this issue. He lays out ample evidence that women are far more monogamous than men, for genetic and evolutionary reasons.

    Schopenhauer, the youthful Lothario turned celibate, who had much experience and few illusions about women and who fully understood both evolutionary theory and “game” avant la lettre, agrees with Pinker and Rosie here.

    It isn’t Victorianism, it’s just reality. And no one is suggesting that women are innocent, only that their sexuality is quite different from men’s.

    • Agree: Twinkie, Ian M.
    • Replies: @Ian M.
    One thing you'll often hear from moderns is that women's attitudes towards sex during Victorian times were simply the result of social conditioning, and that only in modern times have women been able to express their true sexual nature. This is a rather myopic and presumptuous point of view (but what else would you expect from moderns?): isn't it every bit as likely that it is women today who are being manipulated by social conditioning to be looser?

    If it is true that women tend to be more conformist than men, then women will be more susceptible to social pressure and conditioning. Fornication and promiscuity are encouraged and celebrated everywhere today, so it's no wonder that social conditioning has resulted in an anomalous (historically speaking) level of promiscuity among women today.

  158. @Jefferson
    "No they don’t."

    Yes they do. Muslims in Europe do not vote for Nationalist Populist parties that want to end open borders.

    A whopping 80% of Muslims in The U.S voted for Hillary Clinton.

    Islam Stands With Hillary. Islam thinks MAGA is racist.

    What part of “Islam supports Hillary, because Hillary is against America” is hard to understand?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    What part of if you voted for Hillary Clinton you are a Left Winger do you not understand. No Right Winger would ever think Hillary Clinton shares my values more than Donald Trump does.
  159. @FO337
    https://snworksceo.imgix.net/ohi/c2b35d41-053e-43e4-8866-7dede1c1a206.sized-1000x1000.jpg?w=1000

    "Just trying to raise awareness"

    I can imagine her girlfriends:

    “You should date Black men.”

    • LOL: Trevor H.
  160. @Achmed E. Newman


    ... where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem.
     
    It's one hell of a problem if you're a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    It’s well documented — but not widely discussed — that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.

    The vast majority of women are simply not capable of taking the male side of things in a conflict between male and female interests.

    Similarly, most men can concede that there are some negative qualities which are more common in men than in women. While most women will automatically object to and reject the idea that some negative qualities are more common in women.

    Of course the real problem here is the male instinct to seek female approval and validation. Without white knights, we wouldn’t have this constant societal catering to female nonsense.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Good comment. It's partly because there's no possible way for a woman to understand the desire that comes from the man-parts and hormones that run them. Men have no way to completely understand all the female (what we see as) nonsense either. We've been made this way for a reason though. The problem is that society had some decent ways to handle all this, and wise people to pass the common sense (which, contrary to popular opinion, is not innate, but comes from experience) advise along to the young people.

    Then came the 1960's and nobody wanted to heed that advise anymore or live in a society of which the rules were "nonsense". Here we are, but like you said, men are more likely to be fair-thinking about it. It'll all change after Peak Stupidity.

    For right now, there is the tag-team of Rosie/#257 to pop up upon any slight on the mindset of women.
    , @Rosie

    It’s well documented — but not widely discussed — that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.
     
    I'm skeptical.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

    Let's see your documentation.
  161. No discussion of feminism is adequate without mentioning feminist icon Simone de Beauvoir. 1958, Beauvoir pens her Maoist the Long March – “One cannot but marvel at the Chinese government’s prudence: it has obtained the bourgeoisie’s vital collaboration – and at scant cost – it has maneuvered with enough skill to expropriate the bourgeoisie gradually and without resorting to force.” – salami tactics. 2018, Beauvoirism is institutionalized; organizations like the Simone de Beauvoir Institute (Concordia U.) churn out Beauvoir clones. As Mao and Beauvoir, young feminists are amoral; being faithless, promiscuous, childless, materialist, careerist, mercenary, is the expected norm. Women on the Beauvoir model dominate the education system and have indoctrinated generations. Amidst this slow burn subversion, Mao Zedong Thought has penetrated the highest levels.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  162. People complaining “what about Islam?!?” are bugspreading. Feminism shouldn’t be applied to any society, including Muslim ones. Whatever issues they have with women is their business, and theirs to figure out.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Whatever issues they have with women is their business, and theirs to figure out.
     
    Not as long as they're in our societies, they're not.

    Feminism shouldn’t be applied to any society, including Muslim ones.
     
    It's a wedge issue.  Getting the feministas and butt-raisers to fight is good for us.  We literally can't lose.
  163. @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!

    Myanmarshave is brilliant, thanks

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Your quite welcome. There's more where that came from.
  164. @Cagey Beast
    That video, "How Boomers Were Taught to Hate (Themselves)" is very good. Thanks for posting it. I'd seen it a while ago but forgot who did it.

    This one is also good

  165. @Anonymous

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    Much of the problem with how society deals with women can be traced back to ideas like this which are inspired by Victorian Era nonsense about women being the chaste and innocent sex.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    There’s nothing casual about the quest for the Sexiest Son.

  166. @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!

    Don’t forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.

    Constantinople is a different story from the others though.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Don’t forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.
     
    Both Mumbai and Kolkata are retconned names. Most Indians today carefully avoid the cognitive dissonance that would arise if they were to acknowledge that three of their biggest cities, Bombay, Calcutta and Bangalore, were founded by the British and became major cities during their rule. Prior to the British East India Company, there were only tiny villages in these places. A fourth city, Madras (now Chennai) was a relatively minor town in the Tamil Kingdom, albeit one that was mentioned by Marco Polo.

    The only great city in India before the British was Delhi, which was one of the great cities of the Islamic civilization, on par with Constantinople, Damascus, Baghdad, Isfahan and Samarkand. But Delhi was relatively unimportant (except for its garrison) to the British until the 1930s, when they finished building a brand new city, New Delhi, outside the old walled Islamic city, and moved their capital from Calcutta to the new location.

    So it is reasonable to say that the British built all five of the major cities of modern India.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, true about Constantinople. That was not just a PC/globalism change to the maps and language like the others. "Mumbai" sounds like crap, that's all I got to say about it. The city may indeed have been truly full of crap, but at least the exotic-sounding English name "Bombay" masks all that and reminds us of gin.

    I've been through Madras in Oregon, and I wondered much later if that name had anything to do with that f__d-up cult from that part of Asia that took over a portion of central Oregon back in the 1980's.

    Oh, and thank you, P.M., for your reply to this one, too.
  167. @Rosie

    It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it.
     
    I think it's the other way around. Its the capitalists who have taken control of their opposition.

    Bingo.

    That’s why it’s so important that we identify them correctly as globalists and/or oligarchs. The real Left is a powerful potential ally in taking them on.

  168. Giant Camp of the Saints style horde from the south coming up and iSteve.com is your to go shop for shrill Jewess infighting, the NYT muddying the waters in favor of Globohomo, and uh baseball.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Giant Camp of the Saints style horde from the south coming up and iSteve.com is your to go shop for shrill Jewess infighting, the NYT muddying the waters in favor of Globohomo, and uh baseball.
     
    Harvard admissions, golf architecture, and Sarah Jeong. Did I leave out anything?
  169. @Twinkie

    She was just trying to backstab her family in a manner carefully calculated to outrage them most, and she ended up injuring herself. This is what happens if you’re prone to poor judgement and holding grudges.
     
    Sounds like you want conformist children! :)

    Frankly, I can think of many better mates than a Muslim from a third-world country. As whites go, that’s the rock-bottom tier.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    You didn’t get the joke about conformist children.

    My wife recently flew with some of our younger children. As usual, they behaved well (colored, read, and slept, and always answered everyone “Yes, sir. Thank you, ma’am.”). They were a hit with the flight attendants and received lots of goodies, including a visit to the cockpit! That was a surprise, given the post-9/11 security protocols.

    One of them asked what her secret was (“How did get kids who are so well-behaved?”).

    My wife winked and said, “I married Asian.”

    The reply was, “Your kids are Asian?”

    “Half.”

    “Really? Oh, sorry, I’m being rude.”

    “That’s ok - my kids think the same about themselves.”

    This is a bit of a running joke in my family. When my oldest was little, he was asked what he was. His first answer was, “I am a boy!” But then when the questioner clarified, he said “My mom and I are American. My dad is [insert ethnicity].” I laughed and said, “You think you are some sort of an exotic white? I’m the only one who’s shed blood for America here, little twerp.”
  170. @DuanDiRen
    OT: Demand outstrips supply.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/21/ohio-hoax-death-threat-anna-ayers

    A.

    Despite the revelation that the authorities now believe Ayers sent the threats to herself, Student Senate President Maddie Sloat said the Student Senate will not “change its commitment to believing survivors.”

    That’ll be Judge Stoat in just a few years to you, citizens. Or maybe Senator, she hasn’t decided yet.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Stoat...even if you used it by accident, it works!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoat
  171. @Alden
    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups

    Easier still, steal a notary stamp to certify her signature on the consent form.
    Yes it’s trouble.
    But it’s a a lot less trouble than the old fashioned courtship dating and months of begging.

    Or find a cheap prostitute

    Now, now, are you saying a prostitute can’t at some later date realize it was rape?

  172. @Jim Don Bob
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of "friends" after 9/11 when he criticized Islam's adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Jim Don Bob:

    Inordinate (even crazed) hatred of religion (any religion would do) was the prime motivating for Hitchens’ behavior post 9/11. The neocons senseless wars conveniently dovetailed with his religion animus (in this case directed at Islam).

    BTW, contrast Christopher’s behavior vis-a-vis that of his brother Peter who seems to spend his free time at Anglican Evening Song.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    His book was titled "God is not Great" and not "Allah is not Great".
    , @LondonBob
    I agree his hatred of religion, in this case the Islamic version, led to his support of the Iraq war. Of course that Saddam wasn't religious, albeit he was a Baath socialist, and that he was a strong opponent of Islam seemed to pass him by. He also seemed to be happy to team up with Zionist Judaism, itself a religion. I guess atheism is just one hot mess, as was Christopher Hitchens.
  173. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Democracy and Its Discontents

    As 2018 draws to a close, tyranny is resurgent around the globe, the postwar order is on the verge of a crack-up, and a Hyperpolarized America is careening toward a constitutional crisis. Now, onetime neocon thinker Francis Fukuyama, who famously declared “The End of History,” asks, Is this just a temporary glitch, or the dawn of a frightening new era?

    Francis Fukuyama went to bed early on the night of November 8, 2016. The sixty-six-year-old social theorist had accepted a conditional assignment to write about the U. S. presidential election for the Financial Times if and only if the victor in that contest was the man widely assumed to be on his way to a historic defeat. “I didn’t think I would have to write the piece,” he told me. The following morning, he was forced to conclude that liberal democracy, whose triumph as “the final form of human government” he had risen to fame declaring three decades ago, was threatened from within as it had not been in his lifetime. “The risk of sliding into a world of competitive and equally angry nationalisms is huge,” he wrote on November 9, “and if this happens it would mark as momentous a juncture as the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.”

    That year signaled not just a new stage of world history but also the emergence of Fukuyama, then thirty-seven, as its oracle. A young man of enormous intellectual energy, ambition, and brio, he published an article titled “The End of History?” in an obscure neoconservative policy journal. Announcing “the total exhaustion of viable systematic alternatives to Western liberalism,” the article set the intellectual world alight and led to profiles in Time and The New York Times Magazine. A protégé of the philosophy professor Allan Bloom at Cornell, Fukuyama had distinguished himself as a foreign-policy advisor to George H. W. Bush by staking out an aggressive position with respect to the breakup of the Warsaw Pact and the reunification of Germany, among other inflection points on the way to the sudden collapse of the communist world. Fukuyama was not merely reacting to events but testing an explanatory framework, drawn from the nineteenth-century German philosopher G. W. F. Hegel (the same framework used by Karl Marx to explain the inevitability of worldwide communist revolution).

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23695274/francis-fukuyama-trump-democracy/

    • Replies: @utu

    A protégé of the philosophy professor Allan Bloom
     
    Is Fukuyama gay?
  174. @SFG
    In that regard, yes, though it's kind of hard to convince young men that loose sex is bad. Video games also blunt a lot of the emotional pain.

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don't have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110--women are much better equipped to be greeters at Walmart and personal assistants to the middle and upper classes. And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears, feminists pounce and start claiming sexism!

    Well then comes the wave of cunning H1Bs (dots) kicking us out of the industry we pioneered, making a mockery of the system through systemic corruption, ethnic nepotism and plain greed.

    The beauty of tech has almost but faded away and India Inc has brought all that beautiful stuff about India (nepotism, passive aggressive tendencies, hatred, the caste system leading to snobbish arrogance) into mainstreet USA now.

    And when your name is andrew white and not anand gopalakrishnan, try making it big in tech. Fact is, there’s an all out assault on us by the (((oligarchs))), _both_ against white men AND white women. They want to see us wither away and die

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  175. @SFG
    I actually don't blame all, or even most women--I think I said most women aren't feminists earlier.

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians. I'd basically agree with him.

    (He was also fairly successful with women, but failed to pass any of it on to me--I was more interested in video games and math in my younger years. I asked him when I later came to my senses, but he said he'd be a lot more careful in my era with all this rape culture stuff! He also seemed to think compliments were a good way to win women over, so maybe he wasn't all *that* PUAish, and was several inches taller and much more athletic, so it may not all have been skill.)

    And yes, radical feminists are more interested in complaining about most techies being women than writing code themselves. ;)

    My dad (a far wiser man than me overall) argued feminism was an alliance between angry straight women and lesbians.

    What did he believe they were angry about?

  176. @AndrewR
    Mentally ill feminists? Who could even imagine such a thing...

    Yeah I think feminism is catnip for your typical woman with what used to be known as hysteria. Or basically any mental illness — borderline personality disorder; compulsive overeating; nymphomania; manic depression; etc.

    Feminism tells all these women that it’s ok to indulge their childish urges and that men are to blame for any problems.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    I have a strong hunch that a lot of it is actually plain old autism. One of our catlady politicians was on her hind legs yowling on Parliament Chan just yesterday about how scandalous it is that Spectrum disorders are, or have been, under-diagnosed among the female population.

    So highly - er - hereditarily-conserved female lineages such as UMC White Anglo Ladies and wacky yet longstanding endogamous religious cults might be expected to show the more advanced stages of this sort of mental degeneration and dysfunction, both though obsessive inbreeding for caste & inheritance reasons, and social isolation from Lesser Breeds Without The Law.
  177. @Anonymous
    I guess that's why harlequin romance novels haven't been spotted on the shelves since their (abortive) debut in 1949.

    I guess that's also why every business trying to sell lipstick, hair dye, or breast implants instantly went bankrupt after failing to find customers.

    I guess that's also why Tiger Beat switched its format in 1996 from cute non-threatening boys to analysis of soybean futures.

    I guess that's also why rates of STDs among elderly women in nursing homes have not been increasing at the same rate as among 20-24 year olds. Additionally, why STD rates for women have been in decline since the advent of record-keeping.

    I guess that's why no married woman has ever cheated on her husband with another lower-status man, or woman. Much less has it been the subject of any work of art, literature, or music.

    I guess it explains why Cosmopolitan re-uses the same quiz about needlepoint and laundry soap every month. What else can they do to attract female readers

    ” harlequin romance novels ” . When I worked on the ships the office regularly sent boxes of paperbacks out to us . They were usually 1/4 Westerns , 1/4 , popular novels , 1/4 nonfiction and 1/4 Romance novels . As you would expect the bookshelves in the crew and officer lounges were full of untouched Romance novels . It always puzzled me who was selecting the books .
    Every Christmas all the crew would get a package from the Seaman’s Church with some goodies including a scarf knitted by volunteers .

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Apparently, back when all sorts of places had book racks, truck stops sold a LOT of romance novels.
  178. @Jefferson
    "Islamists are not leftists."

    Yes they are. Islamists believe in open borders for The West just like The Left does. Islamists also support the welfare state because they disproportionately benefit it from it in places like England, Minnesota, France, etc. Islam is not sending us their best.


    "Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes"


    The Left believe rape is sometimes okay which is why they believe Bill Clinton did nothing wrong. So The Left's views on rape is not that different from Islam.

    Well it’s not so easy to pin down the defining principles of Leftism and without that, the question of whether Islam is Leftist is not well defined.

    I think it’s more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate to the perceived downtrodden; the most morally and intellectually superior.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think it’s more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate"

    The Left shows ZERO compassion for the rape victims of Bill Clinton, the Rotherham rape victims by Muslim gangs, Mary Jo Kopechne who was killed by the the drunk driving of the alcoholic Irishman Ted Kennedy, etc.


    Here is a pro-abortion Left Winger showing his "compassion" by round house kicking a pro-life woman simply because he disagrees with her political views.

    Commie Norris/Socialist Norris/Soy Norris/Cuck Norris
    https://youtu.be/z7SqtIe5rZQ

    , @Ian M.
    I would say the defining principle of the left is: personal autonomy free from unchosen, pre-rational constraints.

    Or, more pithily: equal preference satisfaction.

    Or, even more pithily: freedom.

    (Though modern leftists tend to favor the term 'autonomy' over 'freedom' these days).
  179. ” If, say, Donna Zuckerberg, Classics Ph.D., is being driven nuts by her brother Mark’s obsession with Augustus Caesar, well, don’t drag family business into it, explain that the real problem is Roissy and Roosh V.”

    And this is precisely why Uncle Sailer has the best sip-and-choke-on-morning-coffee words in the whole darn internet and behind.

  180. @Dan Hayes
    Jim Don Bob:

    Inordinate (even crazed) hatred of religion (any religion would do) was the prime motivating for Hitchens' behavior post 9/11. The neocons senseless wars conveniently dovetailed with his religion animus (in this case directed at Islam).

    BTW, contrast Christopher's behavior vis-a-vis that of his brother Peter who seems to spend his free time at Anglican Evening Song.

    His book was titled “God is not Great” and not “Allah is not Great”.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  181. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'd heard of the movie Norma Ray before, but been anti-union, anti-Commie, etc, so it doesn't seem like anything I'd see. That video by the Black-Pilled guy was very good. Just to add to your list, I'd put Slingblade on it. As much as I like to imitate "reckon I'll have me some biscuits", only a few years after watching it, I was wise enough to look back and understand the propaganda embedded in it. The gay guy is one of the heroes (John Ritter), but now I can't give more details to prove my point (been too long).

    About the movies set in the South, a whole lot of them also have really fake Southern accents, to the point of my quitting watching as soon as it gets too bad to listen to.

    … really fake Southern accents …

    Gregory Peck didn’t even attempt a Southern accent in To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s comical that the kids (Mary Badham and Phillip Alford) were actually from Alabama and had authentic Alabama accents, yet the father, who supposedly taught them to speak, sounds Yankee.

    The broad who played Luke’s mother in Cool Hand Luke was the worst. When they say “anythin’”, they know nothin’. Southerners might say “anythang”, but never “anythin’”.

  182. @TheBoom
    Rarely do I come across any article that gives a better encapsulation of the cause of the dreadful transformation that has occurred in the US.

    Mentally ill, Jewish women from the East coast who are antagonistic to men, whites, and fly over country transformed the culture. Chesler's rape by an African and the cover up of it by feminist inc even brings in the Pokemon point system of victimhood where blacks outrank women

    One could imagine an episode of Star Trek where the Enterprise loses it an warps into an alternate history equal to the one just described. After beaming down, Spock is granted honorary black status while Kirk is cruelly metooed by at least 20 females in a show process as Uhura looks on incomprehendingly.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @TheBoom
    When I was younger I never imagined that the person - in Orwell's famous saying of the future being a boot stamping on you forever - would be shouting "believe all survivors," "love trumps hate" and "diversity is our strength." Over and over and over
  183. @Anon
    Globo-Homo-Afro Japan. Globo-homos control Japanese pop culture and promote this as New Image.

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/10/a-very-elaborate-ad-from-japan-it.html

    Globo-Homo-Afro Japan. Globo-homos control Japanese pop culture and promote this as New Image.

    Thats rather unmoored from the shores of reality.

    Unless the globohomos took over Nihon’s media using Tleilaxu Face Dancers in the 60s maybe.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Unless the globohomos took over Nihon’s media using Tleilaxu Face Dancers in the 60s maybe.
     
    The spice must flow!
  184. @Achmed E. Newman
    Maybe after that 4th and final period of feminism, this matriarchal society of ours will reach femopause. That's probably what this whole Global Warming thing is about ... seems to come in flashes.

    You need a NSF Grant to develop your theory!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Your tax money well spent R.F. , I assure you, or my name ain't Nathan Arizona Achmed E. Newman.
  185. @Jack Hanson
    Giant Camp of the Saints style horde from the south coming up and iSteve.com is your to go shop for shrill Jewess infighting, the NYT muddying the waters in favor of Globohomo, and uh baseball.

    Giant Camp of the Saints style horde from the south coming up and iSteve.com is your to go shop for shrill Jewess infighting, the NYT muddying the waters in favor of Globohomo, and uh baseball.

    Harvard admissions, golf architecture, and Sarah Jeong. Did I leave out anything?

  186. @El Dato

    Globo-Homo-Afro Japan. Globo-homos control Japanese pop culture and promote this as New Image.
     
    Thats rather unmoored from the shores of reality.

    Unless the globohomos took over Nihon's media using Tleilaxu Face Dancers in the 60s maybe.

    Unless the globohomos took over Nihon’s media using Tleilaxu Face Dancers in the 60s maybe.

    The spice must flow!

  187. @Anonymous
    OT:



    Democracy and Its Discontents

    As 2018 draws to a close, tyranny is resurgent around the globe, the postwar order is on the verge of a crack-up, and a Hyperpolarized America is careening toward a constitutional crisis. Now, onetime neocon thinker Francis Fukuyama, who famously declared “The End of History,” asks, Is this just a temporary glitch, or the dawn of a frightening new era?



    Francis Fukuyama went to bed early on the night of November 8, 2016. The sixty-six-year-old social theorist had accepted a conditional assignment to write about the U. S. presidential election for the Financial Times if and only if the victor in that contest was the man widely assumed to be on his way to a historic defeat. “I didn’t think I would have to write the piece,” he told me. The following morning, he was forced to conclude that liberal democracy, whose triumph as “the final form of human government” he had risen to fame declaring three decades ago, was threatened from within as it had not been in his lifetime. “The risk of sliding into a world of competitive and equally angry nationalisms is huge,” he wrote on November 9, “and if this happens it would mark as momentous a juncture as the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.”

    That year signaled not just a new stage of world history but also the emergence of Fukuyama, then thirty-seven, as its oracle. A young man of enormous intellectual energy, ambition, and brio, he published an article titled “The End of History?” in an obscure neoconservative policy journal. Announcing “the total exhaustion of viable systematic alternatives to Western liberalism,” the article set the intellectual world alight and led to profiles in Time and The New York Times Magazine. A protégé of the philosophy professor Allan Bloom at Cornell, Fukuyama had distinguished himself as a foreign-policy advisor to George H. W. Bush by staking out an aggressive position with respect to the breakup of the Warsaw Pact and the reunification of Germany, among other inflection points on the way to the sudden collapse of the communist world. Fukuyama was not merely reacting to events but testing an explanatory framework, drawn from the nineteenth-century German philosopher G. W. F. Hegel (the same framework used by Karl Marx to explain the inevitability of worldwide communist revolution).
     
    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23695274/francis-fukuyama-trump-democracy/

    A protégé of the philosophy professor Allan Bloom

    Is Fukuyama gay?

  188. @Big duck
    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    Quite a story. Thanks.

    The shocking story is as follows. In 1979-80, Phyllis Chesler took a position at the UN working for Davidson Nicol, a dignitary from Sierra Leone, who brought her in to organize an international women’s conference under UN auspices. The proceedings would be published and Chesler would write the introduction.

    Though Nicol was married, he soon began pursuing Chesler (who re-buffed his advances) and then shockingly, he raped her. Around the same time, the international women’s conference took place in Oslo and though Chesler had invited Gloria Steinem, a surrogate was sent instead, Robin Morgan. Morgan refused to stand up for Chesler against Nicol. In fact, she positioned herself to usurp the UN report then wrote the introduction herself and with that brought ‘international feminism’ firmly into the Ms. orbit – all under the watchful eye of Steinem, whom she represented.

    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women.

    https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women."

    So two Jewish feminists throw a third Jewish feminist under the rape bus. Nice.

    Robin Morgan seems to be another feminist with daddy issues, having only seen him in two occasions. "Daddy daddy, you bastard, I'm through".


    "Until Robin Morgan was 13 years old, her mother Faith claimed that Robin's father had been killed in World War II. However, Robin overheard conversations between her mother and aunt suggesting her father was alive. When she confronted her mother, Faith changed her story to assert that Robin's father had escaped from one Nazi concentration camp after another, and that she had saved his life by sponsoring his immigration to the United States where he had no family. Not until several years later, did Robin get proof that this was also a lie"
     
    On the other hand she's robust on transgender issues - a bit too robust IMHO.

    In this speech she referred to Elliott as a "transsexual male" and used male pronouns throughout, charging her with being "an opportunist, an infiltrator, and a destroyer-with the mentality of a rapist."

     

    , @MEH 0910
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Nicol

    Davidson Sylvester Hector Willoughby Nicol or Abioseh Nicol (14 September 1924 – 20 September 1994) was a Sierra Leonean academic, diplomat, physician, writer and poet. He has been considered as one of Sierra Leone’s most educated and greatest citizens of the twentieth century[citation needed], as he was able to secure degrees in the arts, science and commercial disciplines and he contributed to science, history, and literature.[citation needed]. Nicol was the first African to graduate with First Class Honours from the University of Cambridge and he was also the first African elected as a Fellow of a college of Cambridge University. Described by one scholar as a polymath, Davidson Nicol significantly contributed to medical science when he was the first to analyse the breakdown of insulin in the human body, a discovery which was a breakthrough for the treatment of diabetes.
     
  189. @Anon
    Frankly, I can think of many better mates than a Muslim from a third-world country. As whites go, that's the rock-bottom tier.

    You didn’t get the joke about conformist children.

    My wife recently flew with some of our younger children. As usual, they behaved well (colored, read, and slept, and always answered everyone “Yes, sir. Thank you, ma’am.”). They were a hit with the flight attendants and received lots of goodies, including a visit to the cockpit! That was a surprise, given the post-9/11 security protocols.

    One of them asked what her secret was (“How did get kids who are so well-behaved?”).

    My wife winked and said, “I married Asian.”

    The reply was, “Your kids are Asian?”

    “Half.”

    “Really? Oh, sorry, I’m being rude.”

    “That’s ok – my kids think the same about themselves.”

    This is a bit of a running joke in my family. When my oldest was little, he was asked what he was. His first answer was, “I am a boy!” But then when the questioner clarified, he said “My mom and I are American. My dad is [insert ethnicity].” I laughed and said, “You think you are some sort of an exotic white? I’m the only one who’s shed blood for America here, little twerp.”

  190. @donut
    " harlequin romance novels " . When I worked on the ships the office regularly sent boxes of paperbacks out to us . They were usually 1/4 Westerns , 1/4 , popular novels , 1/4 nonfiction and 1/4 Romance novels . As you would expect the bookshelves in the crew and officer lounges were full of untouched Romance novels . It always puzzled me who was selecting the books .
    Every Christmas all the crew would get a package from the Seaman's Church with some goodies including a scarf knitted by volunteers .

    Apparently, back when all sorts of places had book racks, truck stops sold a LOT of romance novels.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Well, women do stop at truck stops, even if they're not necessarily driving big rigs.
  191. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they’re not really traditional conservatives.

    For once, I agree with you.

  192. Does the book have any comments on Friednan not liking gays?

  193. If you’re interested, on the page my web archive link takes you to, search on “living with insanity.”

  194. @Dtbb
    Because the men are forced to serve in the military for two years and the women are not.

    Yes, but that is changing. South Korean women are increasingly serving in the military as well.

  195. @Anonymous

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.
     
    A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn't tend to exist among other groups, or there's some other factor behind this feminist rage.

    “A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds.”

    One is committing the Sin Of Noticing, but look at the Wiki category “feminists by religion”. There’s certainly a YUGE over-representation of one religion.

    As of two weeks ago

    Feminists categorized by known religious (or ethnoreligious) affiliation.
    Subcategories

    This category has the following 8 subcategories, out of 8 total.

    B Buddhist feminists‎ (17 P)
    C Christian feminists‎ (7 C, 35 P)
    H Hindu feminists‎ (1 P)
    I Islamic feminists‎ (69 P)
    J Jewish feminists‎ (277 P)
    S Sikh feminists‎ (2 P)
    U Universalist feminists‎ (1 C)
    W Wiccan feminists‎ (10 P)

    And if you look at the talk on that topic, you’ll see Wiki editors actually being politically neutral.

    This page needs to be deleted immediately. Bigots and misogynists are trying to use the number of Jewish feminists as some sort of political statement. This must be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.5 (talk) 04:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

    You’re the only bigot here. 204.52.135.203 (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

    That is ridiculous. To delete this page would be to censor factual information for the purpose of advancing your own agenda. Is there perhaps a conflict of interest for why you would want the background of popular feminists to be covered up? 140.180.255.79 (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

    Is it a “conflict of interest” to want to promote equality? There’s absolutely no reason to have this page if its only use is as a weapon by racists. I’m not saying let’s delete all the ‘religion’ info on each individual feminists’ page, but removing an easy numerical categorization like this is a pretty fair request in my opinion. Please be reasonable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.2 (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

    You appear to be on a personal crusade here. There are plenty of pages sorting people by ethnic or religious background. Are these all created by racists? In my opinion you sound borderline paranoid and I highly doubt that you can back up your claims – it is really a far-stretched assumption anyway – that only racists care about the ethnicity of feminists. Please familiarize yourself with WP:CENSOR 91.49.221.249 (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
    That list isn't comprehensive. A lot of gentile feminists aren't listed.


    People trying to shift blame to Jews for feminism using Wikipedia lists is hilarious.
    Own up to it, gentile white women were the primary propagators.
  196. @Jim Don Bob
    Long time Lefty Christopher Hitchens also lost a lot of "friends" after 9/11 when he criticized Islam's adherents for its excesses. No enemies on the Left.

    Christopher took after his mother who eloped with a defrocked clergyman who then committed suicide together in an Athens hotel. Peter takes after his father, a stoic ex Royal Navy officer. Perhaps inevitable Christopher would end up a neocon.

    Of course the confusion with feminism is women have always held an elevated position in NW European society,must have been hard for Jewish gals to fathom.

  197. @Svigor

    Chesler offers up plenty of juicy gossip about the sisterhood. Steinem had stage fright and kept asking Chesler “to help her learn how to express anger.” Friedan, “cantankerous, abusive, abrasive,” and “an out-of-control drunk,” resented Steinem’s fame, considered her “a lightweight people-pleaser” and “copycat,” and even accused her “of being a CIA agent.” Friedan didn’t get along with Abzug, either, because, as Chesler amusingly puts it, they were both “hot Jewish tamale[s].” Millett came on to Chesler, “telling me she was in love with me,” and wouldn’t take no for an answer, barraging her with flowers and phone messages. Chesler met Sontag when the latter was already a literary intellectual superstar, but Chesler found her “naive.” The journalist Jill Johnston, “a lesbian Pied Piper” whom “Dykes followed…everywhere,” asked Chesler: “Don’t you think the Jews are taking over our movement?….There are so many loud and pushy Jewish feminists in New York.”
     
    Holy fucking echoes batman.

    Why would the CIA be interested in bankrolling early feminism?

    • Replies: @Thea
    So Kennedy staffed the CIA with anti-American anti-Christian militants? I did not know that. He seemed far less radical than Johnson.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Isn't it nice how the attack dogs for the Establishment would have mocked anyone who said she had links to the CIA right up until the moment this video clip was presented? Isn't it nice how they did the same to any discussion of the Bilderberg Group and a dozen other things?

    I like having a ruling class who insists they don't actually run anything and that the people who say they do are either mentally ill or evil. I sure decades of this sort of gas-lighting has created no hard feelings in me or anyone else.

    That being said, maybe the Aspen Institute types have finally figured out that the 20th century is over and they need to adapt to the age of the Internet? Judging by this page at Vox, they have:

    Future Perfect.
    "Finding the best ways to do good. Made possible by The Rockefeller Foundation".
    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect

    At the top right now is: Can technocracy be saved? An interview with Cass Sunstein.. Beautiful.

    The Rockefeller Foundation, Vox.com and the technocracy are all now "out" and proud on this one webpage. Maybe they should crank up Diana Ross' hit song down at the Stanford Persuasive Technology Lab?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mjl63e0ms

    "Yes, the Rockefeller Foundation backs Vox.com, deal with it! Yes, we've been treating our fellow citizens like rats in our technocratic maze, get over it!"

  198. @Dan Hayes
    Jim Don Bob:

    Inordinate (even crazed) hatred of religion (any religion would do) was the prime motivating for Hitchens' behavior post 9/11. The neocons senseless wars conveniently dovetailed with his religion animus (in this case directed at Islam).

    BTW, contrast Christopher's behavior vis-a-vis that of his brother Peter who seems to spend his free time at Anglican Evening Song.

    I agree his hatred of religion, in this case the Islamic version, led to his support of the Iraq war. Of course that Saddam wasn’t religious, albeit he was a Baath socialist, and that he was a strong opponent of Islam seemed to pass him by. He also seemed to be happy to team up with Zionist Judaism, itself a religion. I guess atheism is just one hot mess, as was Christopher Hitchens.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    It ought to be more widely acknowledged that the phrase "Judeo-Christian values" means just about the same as "the Enlightenment."
  199. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I guess that's why harlequin romance novels haven't been spotted on the shelves since their (abortive) debut in 1949.

    I guess that's also why every business trying to sell lipstick, hair dye, or breast implants instantly went bankrupt after failing to find customers.

    I guess that's also why Tiger Beat switched its format in 1996 from cute non-threatening boys to analysis of soybean futures.

    I guess that's also why rates of STDs among elderly women in nursing homes have not been increasing at the same rate as among 20-24 year olds. Additionally, why STD rates for women have been in decline since the advent of record-keeping.

    I guess that's why no married woman has ever cheated on her husband with another lower-status man, or woman. Much less has it been the subject of any work of art, literature, or music.

    I guess it explains why Cosmopolitan re-uses the same quiz about needlepoint and laundry soap every month. What else can they do to attract female readers

    For a long time Harlequin put out twelve new titles a month, 144 a year. FW Woolworth’s was the biggest retailer of them. My aunt Lorna had a collection of at least a thousand of them when she died. We were “asked” to take them as my mother ran a used book store. Over the winter of ‘83, I think it was, they kept us warm in the fireplace along with Reader’s Digest Condensed Books, church bibles and hymnals, Gideon bibles (the Gideon’s won’t take them back even if they are in perfect shape, and you will be thought of as fencing stolen goods if you try to resell them, since the only way to get them is steal them from a hotel room) and miscellaneous unsellable books.

    Book burning is actually an arcane art since most burn poorly. You have to get them really hot and keep the fire hot: if they cool off you get a black sooty unreignitable mass. But by February I pretty well had it down.

    Book ashes were exceptionally good for decorative gardens, but given the toxic heavy metals in some, I would never use them for edible plants.

  200. @Tim Howells
    Quite a story. Thanks.

    The shocking story is as follows. In 1979-80, Phyllis Chesler took a position at the UN working for Davidson Nicol, a dignitary from Sierra Leone, who brought her in to organize an international women’s conference under UN auspices. The proceedings would be published and Chesler would write the introduction.

    Though Nicol was married, he soon began pursuing Chesler (who re-buffed his advances) and then shockingly, he raped her. Around the same time, the international women’s conference took place in Oslo and though Chesler had invited Gloria Steinem, a surrogate was sent instead, Robin Morgan. Morgan refused to stand up for Chesler against Nicol. In fact, she positioned herself to usurp the UN report then wrote the introduction herself and with that brought ‘international feminism’ firmly into the Ms. orbit – all under the watchful eye of Steinem, whom she represented.

    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women.
     
    https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    “Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women.”

    So two Jewish feminists throw a third Jewish feminist under the rape bus. Nice.

    Robin Morgan seems to be another feminist with daddy issues, having only seen him in two occasions. “Daddy daddy, you bastard, I’m through“.

    “Until Robin Morgan was 13 years old, her mother Faith claimed that Robin’s father had been killed in World War II. However, Robin overheard conversations between her mother and aunt suggesting her father was alive. When she confronted her mother, Faith changed her story to assert that Robin’s father had escaped from one Nazi concentration camp after another, and that she had saved his life by sponsoring his immigration to the United States where he had no family. Not until several years later, did Robin get proof that this was also a lie”

    On the other hand she’s robust on transgender issues – a bit too robust IMHO.

    In this speech she referred to Elliott as a “transsexual male” and used male pronouns throughout, charging her with being “an opportunist, an infiltrator, and a destroyer-with the mentality of a rapist.”

    • Replies: @Lurker

    When she confronted her mother, Faith changed her story to assert that Robin’s father had escaped from one Nazi concentration camp after another, and that she had saved his life by sponsoring his immigration to the United States where he had no family. Not until several years later, did Robin get proof that this was also a lie”
     
    Remember, no other convenient, overwrought stories about concentration camps and survival thereof are lies, just this one.
  201. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    Little known fact: Anon 425 actually invented the “globo-homo” term that is used by tens of people on the alt right (ie most of the alt right). We used to make fun of him for it. Then people started using it unironically.

    Re: Islam

    Most of Islam’s good qualities, such as they are, are due to Islam being stuck in 700 AD. Not that Islam is a very good culture in and of itself. For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It’s not a Muslim thing per se. And neither are strict rules governing the chastity of women. It’s just that Islam is more Barbaric about it and they haven’t changed as much as other cultures have.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It’s not a Muslim thing per se."

    It is a Muslim thing. ZERO percent of the women walking around with hijabs or burqas at The Mall Of America in Minnesota are Christians.
    , @Anonymous

    It’s just that Islam is more Barbaric about it and they haven’t changed as much as other cultures have.
     
    Has the change in those other cultures been for the good? How are the people of those changed cultures faring?
  202. Rousseau was very much of the Enlightenment. He took in earnest one of its central misconceptions, expressed most notably by Hume: “reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions”.

    And here we are today . . .

  203. @Redneck farmer
    Apparently, back when all sorts of places had book racks, truck stops sold a LOT of romance novels.

    Well, women do stop at truck stops, even if they’re not necessarily driving big rigs.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  204. @Neoconned
    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now....

    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now….

    Under Sharia, I don’t have to shave and I get my privilege back. Doesn’t matter much to me I guess, I’m not professionally tied to anyone that can hurt me for my racist/sexist/misogynistic writing, speaking, gawking. I’m not sure Islam would know what to do about all the gays and trannies, though. There are so many of them in this society, far more than rooftops from which to pitch them.

    Of course, maybe without all the privilege extended to folks for becoming tranny and gay/lesbian to begin with in Western society, there wouldn’t be so many. Perhaps when ‘privilege’ under Sharia means staying alive, all the tranny/gay/lesbian feminists would magically go back to being normal. Celebrating your perverted sexuality would be less of a thing. There are incentives in our society for these folks to become tranny/gay. Under Islam, there are harsher incentives to keep such behavior in the closet and they do.

    Aren’t humans flexible? Mostly, I just want them to STFU. But it wasn’t enough to live and let live, they have to get in our faces when we ignore them. Still, Islam vs. Western Society really showcases the lie. You aren’t born that way. You become that way based on incentives and encouragement. People go where the privilege is. If you’re a wuss or a fat female in our society, you just go be gay or become a tranny and life is good. In theirs, as a man you toughen up or become rape bait, the women become housekeepers or someone’s fat wife.

  205. @Rosie

    It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it.
     
    I think it's the other way around. Its the capitalists who have taken control of their opposition.

    Spot on, Rosie. My guess is that capitalists sort of resisted the hiring of out-groups despite the lower wages and salaries out-group folks commanded pretty much because capitalists didn’t want to alienate White dudes and rattle traditional patterns of behaviors and expectations.

    After the 1960s brought with it a whole raft of equalitarian mandates, capitalists ended up with a sort of win-win. They could lay on those out-group folks more freely, and deflect the wrath of those alienated White dudes by saying the government made them do it.

    I think the fly in the ointment is that those 1960s “liberationisms” promised implicitly that Blacks, women, and gays would add to the existing stock of national talent without displacing those White dudes. But I think displacement is exactly what’s happening, which is why you see a bit of anger here.

    • Agree: Thea, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lurker

    Blacks, women, and gays would add to the existing stock of national talent without displacing those White dudes
     
    And without particularly adding to the existing stock of national talent.
  206. “Don’t you think the Jews are taking over our movement?….There are so many loud and pushy Jewish feminists in New York.”

    Surprised Chesler doesn’t call out fellow NYer Barbara Streisand as well.

    Now this does appear to be an all purpose quote for a lot of -ism movements (e.g. communism, feminism, sexism, etc.) No matter the generation, or culture, this does appear to be a consistent refrain worldwide.

    Why? Why is this so? And would 23 and Me supply some of the answers to the question?

  207. @Big duck
    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    Jeez, How likely is that?

  208. @Achmed E. Newman
    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I'm not buying all new maps and globes! We're on a budget, dammit!

    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I’m not buying all new maps and globes! We’re on a budget, dammit!

    The British used Stamboul until the 1930s. Graham Greene’s Stamboul Train is a pretty decent thriller from the 1930s.

    The Japanese word for the town now spelled Beijing is still Peking, and is still pronounced that way. The same is true for German. Spanish, French and Portuguese are pretty close to “Pekin.”

    The last British governor of Hong Kong, Christ Patten, habitually referred to Beijing as Peking. For that, and for the fact that he introduced representative democracy in Hong Kong before handing it back to the Communist regime,the official Chinese media called Patten a snake, a liar, a “prostitute for a thousand generations” as well as a” tango dancer.”

    Official Chinese propaganda invective has moved closer to colloquial English, but the North Koreans are still pretty good practitioners of that style of Maoist invective in English.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    For that, and for the fact that he introduced representative democracy in Hong Kong before handing it back to the Communist regime,the official Chinese media called Patten a snake, a liar, a “prostitute for a thousand generations” as well as a” tango dancer.”
     
    Yep, pretty jealous they were, of the free enterprise in Hong Kong - talk 'boutcher cognitive dissonance ... I miss guys like Chris Patten.

    Now Western governments and Big-Biz will kowtow to China for anything - this story, Western airlines bow down to China Commies' petty whims. is something I didn't see mentioned here on unz (not really pertinent to iSteve) (prequel here). Economic might is power, and America's is draining rapidly

    . ... that style of Maoist invective in English.
     
    Yeah, Mao, what was the deal with that whole "Capitalist Roader" invective? I mean, this was an effort to translate it into English, so we could see what pigs we were. Yet, they didn't spend 2 Yuan to get a Chinaman, or American Chinese scholar like J. Derbyshire, to translate it correctly. You never even knew what you did wrong over there until you got a headful of pig blood dumped on you, by your own children. The Chinese Cultural Revolution started out a lot like that prom scene in Carrie, come to think of it.
  209. @Pericles
    Don't forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.

    Constantinople is a different story from the others though.

    Don’t forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.

    Both Mumbai and Kolkata are retconned names. Most Indians today carefully avoid the cognitive dissonance that would arise if they were to acknowledge that three of their biggest cities, Bombay, Calcutta and Bangalore, were founded by the British and became major cities during their rule. Prior to the British East India Company, there were only tiny villages in these places. A fourth city, Madras (now Chennai) was a relatively minor town in the Tamil Kingdom, albeit one that was mentioned by Marco Polo.

    The only great city in India before the British was Delhi, which was one of the great cities of the Islamic civilization, on par with Constantinople, Damascus, Baghdad, Isfahan and Samarkand. But Delhi was relatively unimportant (except for its garrison) to the British until the 1930s, when they finished building a brand new city, New Delhi, outside the old walled Islamic city, and moved their capital from Calcutta to the new location.

    So it is reasonable to say that the British built all five of the major cities of modern India.

  210. @El Dato
    One could imagine an episode of Star Trek where the Enterprise loses it an warps into an alternate history equal to the one just described. After beaming down, Spock is granted honorary black status while Kirk is cruelly metooed by at least 20 females in a show process as Uhura looks on incomprehendingly.

    When I was younger I never imagined that the person – in Orwell’s famous saying of the future being a boot stamping on you forever – would be shouting “believe all survivors,” “love trumps hate” and “diversity is our strength.” Over and over and over

  211. MayBot is utter vermin – THE PERSONIFICATION OF NPC. Conservatives, more like CultMarxists with the trouser-suited Dancing Hag!!!

    Not only looks like the Frankfurt School subjected the hag to a fag-ash factory explosion, also the same grey CM boilerplate views as Frump’s complexion. I’d never vote for her (honestly sooner vote for Corbyn – he’s not a (((puppet))), wants to make rich bankers pay tax, supports a United Ireland…). Just amazed at how docile my fellow White men are about this frumpy, pig-face who stoops, speaks like a desperate schoolmarm.

    Just visceral sense hag is no leader. In an era w/o feminism she’d be a lonely home counties spinster, twitching the curtains, complaining to the council about young people having fun & listening to music ‘with rhythm you can’t even hear the words of’. Abba sums the hag up perfectly, bland anti-muduc by numbers for bland anti-conserving anything but muh corporate taxes.

    Appropriate really – Great Cuckatain – she personifies the world’s biggest, blandest, frumpieat. frailest, ugliest dump. Old tho, so at least I’ll know where to relieve myself soon!!!

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    " amazed at how docile my fellow White men are about this frumpy, pig-face who stoops, speaks like a desperate schoolmarm"

    Another woman, Andrea Leadsom, stood against her for leader, and said quite correctly that as a mother, she (Andrea) had more of a stake in the future than Ms May did - the "media" set up a howl and conservative members were cowed into voting for the woman whose only lasting achievement was to call her own party "the nasty party".

    "Abba sums the hag up perfectly"

    How dare you. Abba's mighty works will endure long after the late Merkel's cold form has been burned in petrol, then buried in quicklime in an undisclosed Berlin location.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ90ZqH0PWI
    , @Curtis Mouser I
    Apologies. This comment was meant as a response to anon 395 @ 12:00am.
    , @anon

    (honestly sooner vote for Corbyn – he’s not a (((puppet)))
     
    he still supports the immivasion though, right?

    are you sure he's not a (((puppet)))?
  212. @Anonymous
    According to Victor D. Hanson, the dearth of dog-catchers, official or otherwise, is causing a lifestyle catastrophe in the formerly idyllic Fresno Co. outer wastelands:
    http://www.hoover.org/research/diversity-illegal-immigration

    VDH, a good chronicler of the decline.

    His anecdotes about the local rubbish problems portends the future: too many people for their logistical capabilities.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    His anecdotes about the local rubbish problems portends the future...
     
    One of the things that strikes me about every 3rd world country I've been to is how much trash there is everywhere. People just don't seem to care.
  213. @Anon
    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Better Sharia than Whoria. As for Christianity, it is now dead. Gone globo-homo, it needs to be put to sleep. Better Islam than Cucktianity.

    Completely disagree. Sharia would be dreadful. Whoria would be fun but it’s not what we have now by any means.

  214. @YetAnotherAnon
    "A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds."

    One is committing the Sin Of Noticing, but look at the Wiki category “feminists by religion”. There’s certainly a YUGE over-representation of one religion.

    As of two weeks ago

    Feminists categorized by known religious (or ethnoreligious) affiliation.
    Subcategories

    This category has the following 8 subcategories, out of 8 total.

    B Buddhist feminists‎ (17 P)
    C Christian feminists‎ (7 C, 35 P)
    H Hindu feminists‎ (1 P)
    I Islamic feminists‎ (69 P)
    J Jewish feminists‎ (277 P)
    S Sikh feminists‎ (2 P)
    U Universalist feminists‎ (1 C)
    W Wiccan feminists‎ (10 P)
     
    And if you look at the talk on that topic, you’ll see Wiki editors actually being politically neutral.

    This page needs to be deleted immediately. Bigots and misogynists are trying to use the number of Jewish feminists as some sort of political statement. This must be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.5 (talk) 04:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

    You’re the only bigot here. 204.52.135.203 (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

    That is ridiculous. To delete this page would be to censor factual information for the purpose of advancing your own agenda. Is there perhaps a conflict of interest for why you would want the background of popular feminists to be covered up? 140.180.255.79 (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

    Is it a “conflict of interest” to want to promote equality? There’s absolutely no reason to have this page if its only use is as a weapon by racists. I’m not saying let’s delete all the ‘religion’ info on each individual feminists’ page, but removing an easy numerical categorization like this is a pretty fair request in my opinion. Please be reasonable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.200.2 (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

    You appear to be on a personal crusade here. There are plenty of pages sorting people by ethnic or religious background. Are these all created by racists? In my opinion you sound borderline paranoid and I highly doubt that you can back up your claims – it is really a far-stretched assumption anyway – that only racists care about the ethnicity of feminists. Please familiarize yourself with WP:CENSOR 91.49.221.249 (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
     

    That list isn’t comprehensive. A lot of gentile feminists aren’t listed.

    People trying to shift blame to Jews for feminism using Wikipedia lists is hilarious.
    Own up to it, gentile white women were the primary propagators.

  215. @trelane
    as part of a circle of “pioneers” of the modern women’s movement – some of them “dangerously intelligent,” most of them “radical thinkers,”

    Radicals are not especially smart. They also tend to have subdued scores on measures of global functioning. The typical radical spent way too many years in college getting C and D grades on 101 level coursework.

    Today, the layabout/radical is living off their spouse's income or university sinecure. They are not someone who you, as a normal person, would go to for advice.

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It's a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our "leaders".

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It’s a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our “leaders”.

    This is an interesting question. It’s not just political either. Why do the maladjusted have so much cultural influence too? I guess the political and cultural influences feed one another.

    We are ruled by disturbed characters right out of a Dostoevsky novel. Demons perhaps.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Donald Trump, Vince McMahon, and before he chucked Ahnuld were the greatest salesmen for maga just look at them. But no one buys. Firestone, Abzug, Friedan and Dworkin are like Trigglypuff but most women buy.

    Don't have to be a good example of what you sell if you are selling crack. Always willing buyers.
  216. @Tim Howells
    Quite a story. Thanks.

    The shocking story is as follows. In 1979-80, Phyllis Chesler took a position at the UN working for Davidson Nicol, a dignitary from Sierra Leone, who brought her in to organize an international women’s conference under UN auspices. The proceedings would be published and Chesler would write the introduction.

    Though Nicol was married, he soon began pursuing Chesler (who re-buffed his advances) and then shockingly, he raped her. Around the same time, the international women’s conference took place in Oslo and though Chesler had invited Gloria Steinem, a surrogate was sent instead, Robin Morgan. Morgan refused to stand up for Chesler against Nicol. In fact, she positioned herself to usurp the UN report then wrote the introduction herself and with that brought ‘international feminism’ firmly into the Ms. orbit – all under the watchful eye of Steinem, whom she represented.

    Chesler begged Morgan and Steinem to help her confront her rapist, even long after the conference. No dice. Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women.
     
    https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Nicol

    Davidson Sylvester Hector Willoughby Nicol or Abioseh Nicol (14 September 1924 – 20 September 1994) was a Sierra Leonean academic, diplomat, physician, writer and poet. He has been considered as one of Sierra Leone’s most educated and greatest citizens of the twentieth century[citation needed], as he was able to secure degrees in the arts, science and commercial disciplines and he contributed to science, history, and literature.[citation needed]. Nicol was the first African to graduate with First Class Honours from the University of Cambridge and he was also the first African elected as a Fellow of a college of Cambridge University. Described by one scholar as a polymath, Davidson Nicol significantly contributed to medical science when he was the first to analyse the breakdown of insulin in the human body, a discovery which was a breakthrough for the treatment of diabetes.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Nicol
     
    It would be instructive to amend the Wikipedia pages for Nicol, Chesler, Steinem, and Morgan to mention the rape and cover-up. Of course, the changes would be reversed, but this censorship would be a news story in its own right.
  217. @Buck Ransom
    It was a harrowing episode that happened at a small social gathering in suburban Maryland sometime during the summer of '82.

    The Summer of ’82? It has a good “ring” to it — someone should make a movie with that title?

    These were the Early Reagan years while most Americans were removed from their jobs, having been drafted into the War on Inflation, resorting to shooting and skinning rabbits and small rodents to feed meat to their children.

    The movie centers on a privileged few, isolated from the ravages of High Interest Rates and high gasoline prices, leading a carefree life. It follows a young man, fumbling and failing in his attempt to offer up his virginity to a woman wearing a bathing suit under her sweater?

  218. @Jefferson
    "Islamists are not leftists."

    Yes they are. Islamists believe in open borders for The West just like The Left does. Islamists also support the welfare state because they disproportionately benefit it from it in places like England, Minnesota, France, etc. Islam is not sending us their best.


    "Once their numbers increase, they will increasingly bend the leftist parties to their own concerns, eventually getting to decriminalizing rapes"


    The Left believe rape is sometimes okay which is why they believe Bill Clinton did nothing wrong. So The Left's views on rape is not that different from Islam.

    1. They do not generally share values. Leftists pursue an egalitarian society, while Islamists don’t care about that at all. They just want whatever is traditionally Islamic, even including slavery. Leftists generally hate traditionalists, and in an earlier era claimed that religion is the opiate of the people. Leftists may as a matter of expedience overlook some rapes, but they do not approve of it. As far as I know, they haven’t even acknowledged that Bill Clinton raped anyone, but even assuming they did, they would do it because he supported legal abortion. Once they figure out that the Islamists don’t approve of abortion, they will realize the error of their ways.

    2. Islamists have murdered lots of leftists. Most victims were in Iran in 1979, but they have murdered Theo van Gogh, the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, gays in the Orlando nightclub, etc. If they are leftists, then why go after fellow leftists when there are so many other non-leftist targets to choose from?

    The case of Iran is especially compelling. Both leftists and Islamists worked to get the Shah overthrown, but once the Shah left, the Islamists took over and began butchering leftists. (They also butchered other groups, like the Kurds.) Again, why go after fellow leftists? These were people who helped them overthrow the Shah, but they showed not one iota of gratitude for that.

    3. Leftists outside of the West hate the Islamists. The commies in China have been throwing them into re-education camps. Leftists in the Muslim world are under no illusions about the Islamists, as Karima Bennoune’s book Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here makes clear.

    The weird alliance that currently exists between leftists here in the West and the Islamists is like the Nazi-Soviet pact, when leftists switched from being anti-Nazi to, if not pro-Nazi, at least anti-anti-Nazi. After 9/11, the left was horrified at the idea of actually being allied with ordinary Americans against people of the Third World, so they became pro-Muslim. I am confident that anyone who lays out the facts for them can get them to realize what a horrible blunder they are making with such an alliance, just as the Nazi-Soviet pact was a horrible blunder for the left when it was made.

  219. @Tiny Duck
    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    Despite all the numbers from the dating sites proving the contrary.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  220. @Jefferson
    The old school Feminists who still hate Wall Street and never gave up on their principles all voted for Jill Stein from The Green Party in 2016. Susan Sarandon is one of them. She said Hillary Clinton's ties to Wall Street is extremely disturbing to her.

    Susan Sarandon is one of them. She said Hillary Clinton’s ties to Wall Street is extremely disturbing to her.

    Susan Sarandon? Is this the same Susan Sarandon whose net worth is $50 million? Yeah, I totally believe she is “disturbed” by Clinton’s “Wall Street ties”.

  221. @anonymous
    Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. Capitalism may exploit, but at least it has outgrown borders. The elite capitalist class are international cosmopolitans now, whether they are Jewish or Gentile. Big business seems to regard nations as a hinderance, as they've become more and more transnational.

    Companies like Apple may require suicide nets at their outsourced factories, but at least they are gay friendly and promote a happy image of upbeat globalism. It almost seems like the traditional foes of capitalism have taken it over and re-branded it. Instead of fighting it, the power of business is being harnessed to advance other leftist interests. When you look at the sort of person who becomes CEO of a large company now days, it becomes apparent that something has changed over the last 15-20 years.

    “Feminists, and leftists generally, seem to have have made a sort of peace with capitalism. “

    No, they are still campaigning for the sisters and daughters of the wealthy to sit in the boardroom alongside their brothers and fathers.

    As for working class women and men … fuggedaboutit.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  222. @PiltdownMan

    I appreciate your use of the name Constantinople, Mr. Duck, vs. the ugly-sounding Istanbull. I hope you are on board with Cathay, Canton, Peking, Formosa, Ceylon, and Burmashave (vs. Myanmarshave) too. The new names have been pushed on us, and I’m not buying all new maps and globes! We’re on a budget, dammit!

     

    The British used Stamboul until the 1930s. Graham Greene's Stamboul Train is a pretty decent thriller from the 1930s.

    The Japanese word for the town now spelled Beijing is still Peking, and is still pronounced that way. The same is true for German. Spanish, French and Portuguese are pretty close to "Pekin."


    The last British governor of Hong Kong, Christ Patten, habitually referred to Beijing as Peking. For that, and for the fact that he introduced representative democracy in Hong Kong before handing it back to the Communist regime,the official Chinese media called Patten a snake, a liar, a "prostitute for a thousand generations" as well as a" tango dancer."

    Official Chinese propaganda invective has moved closer to colloquial English, but the North Koreans are still pretty good practitioners of that style of Maoist invective in English.

    https://youtu.be/mv20-Fvnedk?t=41

    For that, and for the fact that he introduced representative democracy in Hong Kong before handing it back to the Communist regime,the official Chinese media called Patten a snake, a liar, a “prostitute for a thousand generations” as well as a” tango dancer.”

    Yep, pretty jealous they were, of the free enterprise in Hong Kong – talk ’boutcher cognitive dissonance … I miss guys like Chris Patten.

    Now Western governments and Big-Biz will kowtow to China for anything – this story, Western airlines bow down to China Commies’ petty whims. is something I didn’t see mentioned here on unz (not really pertinent to iSteve) (prequel here). Economic might is power, and America’s is draining rapidly

    . … that style of Maoist invective in English.

    Yeah, Mao, what was the deal with that whole “Capitalist Roader” invective? I mean, this was an effort to translate it into English, so we could see what pigs we were. Yet, they didn’t spend 2 Yuan to get a Chinaman, or American Chinese scholar like J. Derbyshire, to translate it correctly. You never even knew what you did wrong over there until you got a headful of pig blood dumped on you, by your own children. The Chinese Cultural Revolution started out a lot like that prom scene in Carrie, come to think of it.

  223. @Pericles
    Don't forget Mumbai, Kolkata and whatnot.

    Constantinople is a different story from the others though.

    Yeah, true about Constantinople. That was not just a PC/globalism change to the maps and language like the others. “Mumbai” sounds like crap, that’s all I got to say about it. The city may indeed have been truly full of crap, but at least the exotic-sounding English name “Bombay” masks all that and reminds us of gin.

    I’ve been through Madras in Oregon, and I wondered much later if that name had anything to do with that f__d-up cult from that part of Asia that took over a portion of central Oregon back in the 1980’s.

    Oh, and thank you, P.M., for your reply to this one, too.

  224. @TomSchmidt
    Myanmarshave is brilliant, thanks

    Your quite welcome. There’s more where that came from.

  225. @Alden
    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups

    Easier still, steal a notary stamp to certify her signature on the consent form.
    Yes it’s trouble.
    But it’s a a lot less trouble than the old fashioned courtship dating and months of begging.

    Or find a cheap prostitute

    Print out some consent forms and have a notary friend accompany you when you go to your hook ups.

    Yes, that’s very romantic and will work out well. It’s bad enough even being a lawyer out on a date period (I’m not one), but bringing your work with you? How come you don’t read this part in the Harlequin Romance books? I guess it’s for brevity.

    Or find a cheap prostitute.

    Or an expensive one, for that matter – it’s still much cheaper to rent than buy. Being married for a man is only for the big benefit for the children – NOTE: In this day and age.

  226. @Mr. Rational
    What part of "Islam supports Hillary, because Hillary is against America" is hard to understand?

    What part of if you voted for Hillary Clinton you are a Left Winger do you not understand. No Right Winger would ever think Hillary Clinton shares my values more than Donald Trump does.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    What part of if you voted for Hillary Clinton you are a Left Winger do you not understand.
     
    I understand it perfectly.  I understand that it's false.  Muslims overwhelmingly voted for Hitlery despite being nothing that Americans would recognize as left-wing, with the sole exception of their anti-Americanism.  They voted anti-American.

    A similar thing happens with Black social conservatives.  They vote Democrat to keep their kids out of jails they ought to be in, their extended families in jobs they aren't competent to perform or that shouldn't exist, and the welfare flowing to keep the layabouts from coming to THEM with demands of all kinds.  Democrats are also the "get Whitey to pay for it" party, which is good for Blacks.  They don't vote their social convictions, they vote their race.

  227. @Pericles

    Despite the revelation that the authorities now believe Ayers sent the threats to herself, Student Senate President Maddie Sloat said the Student Senate will not "change its commitment to believing survivors."

     

    That'll be Judge Stoat in just a few years to you, citizens. Or maybe Senator, she hasn't decided yet.

    Stoat…even if you used it by accident, it works!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoat

    • Agree: Kylie
  228. @Anon
    Little known fact: Anon 425 actually invented the "globo-homo" term that is used by tens of people on the alt right (ie most of the alt right). We used to make fun of him for it. Then people started using it unironically.

    Re: Islam

    Most of Islam's good qualities, such as they are, are due to Islam being stuck in 700 AD. Not that Islam is a very good culture in and of itself. For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It's not a Muslim thing per se. And neither are strict rules governing the chastity of women. It's just that Islam is more Barbaric about it and they haven't changed as much as other cultures have.

    “For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It’s not a Muslim thing per se.”

    It is a Muslim thing. ZERO percent of the women walking around with hijabs or burqas at The Mall Of America in Minnesota are Christians.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon
    It is a Muslim thing. ZERO percent of the women walking around with hijabs or burqas at The Mall Of America in Minnesota are Christians.

    It is a Muslim thing now, but are hijabs worse than ho-jobs? Surely, hijabed women in Iran are saner than Lena Dunhamism. Now, I don't want a society where women are forced to wear stuff like that. But the main problem is not sharia but whoria in the West. The mini-skirt was a disaster.

    Also, pagan Ancient Athens had women in veils, not least because Athens had a huge foreign barbarian slave population. And you don't need Islam to have stupid laws on women. China had foot-binding, surely worse than hijabery.

    As society turn more migratory, there are two ways of dealing with womenfolk. The Arab way or the Mongol way. Arabs and Mongols were both migratory people. Settled people became more secure about ownership of womenfolk. Non-settled people always come in contact with others as either conquerors or conquered. So, what to do with their womenfolks? One way to keep foreigners away from them is by hiding and concealing them. Veiling women has that effect. In LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, men have their sphere, and women have their own, which is why we hardly see women in the movie.
    The other way is the Mongol way. It bonded Mongol men and women close together. Make women tough and man-like and follow men around close and do some headbashing too on occasion. Germanic Barbarians were like this too. According to Tacitus, when the Germanic men are fighting, the women aren't far behind. They are close cheering for their men to kick butt and bring home the trophies.

    As the world turns more migratory and white girlfolk come in greater contact with foreign men, white fathers really gotta think. Which option? (1) white women as fellow warriors of white men (2) white women put in their place and forbidden from communing with foreign men. Ride together or Hide away.

    In the American West, white womenfolk rode together, which is why they got the vote first in the Western states. It's like what the woman says in THE SEARCHERS. But the bond has been broken be feminism.

  229. @Sabril
    It's well documented -- but not widely discussed -- that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.

    The vast majority of women are simply not capable of taking the male side of things in a conflict between male and female interests.

    Similarly, most men can concede that there are some negative qualities which are more common in men than in women. While most women will automatically object to and reject the idea that some negative qualities are more common in women.

    Of course the real problem here is the male instinct to seek female approval and validation. Without white knights, we wouldn't have this constant societal catering to female nonsense.

    Good comment. It’s partly because there’s no possible way for a woman to understand the desire that comes from the man-parts and hormones that run them. Men have no way to completely understand all the female (what we see as) nonsense either. We’ve been made this way for a reason though. The problem is that society had some decent ways to handle all this, and wise people to pass the common sense (which, contrary to popular opinion, is not innate, but comes from experience) advise along to the young people.

    Then came the 1960’s and nobody wanted to heed that advise anymore or live in a society of which the rules were “nonsense”. Here we are, but like you said, men are more likely to be fair-thinking about it. It’ll all change after Peak Stupidity.

    For right now, there is the tag-team of Rosie/#257 to pop up upon any slight on the mindset of women.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  230. @Hippopotamusdrome


    morphed into LGBTQI studies

     

    'I' ?
    Idiot?

    I was rather hoping it would be “Incel”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  231. @Sabril
    Well it's not so easy to pin down the defining principles of Leftism and without that, the question of whether Islam is Leftist is not well defined.

    I think it's more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate to the perceived downtrodden; the most morally and intellectually superior.

    “I think it’s more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate”

    The Left shows ZERO compassion for the rape victims of Bill Clinton, the Rotherham rape victims by Muslim gangs, Mary Jo Kopechne who was killed by the the drunk driving of the alcoholic Irishman Ted Kennedy, etc.

    Here is a pro-abortion Left Winger showing his “compassion” by round house kicking a pro-life woman simply because he disagrees with her political views.

    Commie Norris/Socialist Norris/Soy Norris/Cuck Norris

    • Replies: @Sabril
    Sure, because the Left doesn't have principles. Instead Leftists pick and choose which downtrodden people to lobby for -- what will bring the most social status.
  232. @Sabril
    Yeah I think feminism is catnip for your typical woman with what used to be known as hysteria. Or basically any mental illness -- borderline personality disorder; compulsive overeating; nymphomania; manic depression; etc.

    Feminism tells all these women that it's ok to indulge their childish urges and that men are to blame for any problems.

    I have a strong hunch that a lot of it is actually plain old autism. One of our catlady politicians was on her hind legs yowling on Parliament Chan just yesterday about how scandalous it is that Spectrum disorders are, or have been, under-diagnosed among the female population.

    So highly – er – hereditarily-conserved female lineages such as UMC White Anglo Ladies and wacky yet longstanding endogamous religious cults might be expected to show the more advanced stages of this sort of mental degeneration and dysfunction, both though obsessive inbreeding for caste & inheritance reasons, and social isolation from Lesser Breeds Without The Law.

  233. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    Corporations benefited immensely from feminism and not just from the larger workforce lowering wages.

    Delayng marriage while working leaves women many years to frivolously but useless trinkets corporations are all to happy to sell. It also fuels the beauty industry in the cut throat fight to find a husband. Advertisers encourage anxiety about their looks as preteens that only grows as the hit the crest of their attraction unmarried.

    Cigarette manufacturers were smoking the first to take advantage of this. “Stay slim independent ladies”

  234. @Intelligent Dasein

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don’t have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110...And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears...
     
    I believe it's rather the opposite. There is now, always was, and always will be plenty of work for people of average mental abilities. The problem is that in our society today, such jobs are the only jobs that remain; and the habits, preferences, and proclivities of the mediocre middle are the only style of life that is tolerated. The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he's forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic.

    As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being.

    Those possessing an IQ hovering between 110 and 120 are among the most irritating people around, because they are simply the right tail of "normal" and are almost universally subject to a Dunning-Krugerism of the second order. They know they are sharper than the average person, which makes them uppity and over-confident; but they cannot and do not realize how far below they are the real genius, who belongs to a different order altogether.

    Interesting comment. I think this is generally true of the 110-120 set. That said, speaking as someone who tested at 119, I find myself to be painfully aware of just how far removed I am from those people in the higher range. It’s like being in the horse latitudes of intelligence. You’re just smart enough to know how “dim” you are compared to those in the higher range…

  235. @King Baeksu
    Why would the CIA be interested in bankrolling early feminism?

    https://youtu.be/4HRUEqyZ7p8

    So Kennedy staffed the CIA with anti-American anti-Christian militants? I did not know that. He seemed far less radical than Johnson.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    In the clip, Steinem states that she first made contact with the CIA in 1958, which would have been during the Eisenhower Administration. Note as well that Kennedy himself is alleged to have said that he wanted to “splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.”

    Some have speculated that the CIA may have been instrumental in getting "Ms." magazine off the ground, which would have brought her involvement with the spooks of Langley well into the Nixon Administration.
  236. @King Baeksu
    Why would the CIA be interested in bankrolling early feminism?

    https://youtu.be/4HRUEqyZ7p8

    Isn’t it nice how the attack dogs for the Establishment would have mocked anyone who said she had links to the CIA right up until the moment this video clip was presented? Isn’t it nice how they did the same to any discussion of the Bilderberg Group and a dozen other things?

    I like having a ruling class who insists they don’t actually run anything and that the people who say they do are either mentally ill or evil. I sure decades of this sort of gas-lighting has created no hard feelings in me or anyone else.

    That being said, maybe the Aspen Institute types have finally figured out that the 20th century is over and they need to adapt to the age of the Internet? Judging by this page at Vox, they have:

    Future Perfect.
    “Finding the best ways to do good. Made possible by The Rockefeller Foundation”.
    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect

    At the top right now is: Can technocracy be saved? An interview with Cass Sunstein.. Beautiful.

    The Rockefeller Foundation, Vox.com and the technocracy are all now “out” and proud on this one webpage. Maybe they should crank up Diana Ross’ hit song down at the Stanford Persuasive Technology Lab?

    “Yes, the Rockefeller Foundation backs Vox.com, deal with it! Yes, we’ve been treating our fellow citizens like rats in our technocratic maze, get over it!”

  237. @Sabril
    It's well documented -- but not widely discussed -- that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.

    The vast majority of women are simply not capable of taking the male side of things in a conflict between male and female interests.

    Similarly, most men can concede that there are some negative qualities which are more common in men than in women. While most women will automatically object to and reject the idea that some negative qualities are more common in women.

    Of course the real problem here is the male instinct to seek female approval and validation. Without white knights, we wouldn't have this constant societal catering to female nonsense.

    It’s well documented — but not widely discussed — that women have much stronger own-group bias than men.

    I’m skeptical.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

    Let’s see your documentation.

  238. @Jason Liu
    People complaining "what about Islam?!?" are bugspreading. Feminism shouldn't be applied to any society, including Muslim ones. Whatever issues they have with women is their business, and theirs to figure out.

    Whatever issues they have with women is their business, and theirs to figure out.

    Not as long as they’re in our societies, they’re not.

    Feminism shouldn’t be applied to any society, including Muslim ones.

    It’s a wedge issue.  Getting the feministas and butt-raisers to fight is good for us.  We literally can’t lose.

  239. @Anon
    There are two ways to see feminism or any other ism.

    From the true believers on the inside and from the controllers/manipulators from the outside.

    Those IN the movement had their own personal, ideological, or 'mental' reasons. That was Core Feminism.

    But those OUTSIDE the movement saw their own uses for the movement. It's like the US uses ideologies, movements, and sects all over the world to serve US interests. The US used radical Islam in the 80s against the USSR. Americans weren't part of the movement from the inside but they tried to steer it from the outside against the rivals of the US.

    Same with feminism. As it happened, most of the Core Feminists had little impact on society. They were too nutty, divided, silly, and neurotic. Most of their ideas had little appeal to most people, even to most women. And yet, the Powers-that-be in media and other powerful institutions saw usefulness in certain feminist themes. Even Jewish male elites who cared little for feminism found it useful in dividing the white goyim into 'white men' vs 'white women'. This was the most effective weapon against the white race(or any other race). Race is whole when men and women are united and love one another, feel loyal to one another, and create life together. But the elite use of feminism via movies, books, TV, and entertainment created the notion that white women are fellow victims of white males. Thus, the natural allies of white women are not white men but people of color, homos, Jews, and Muslims. THAT is why the 'feminism vs Islam' theme has been suppressed. If white women think in terms of 'white men created the freest societies for us white womenfolk while Muslims and people of color rule societies that are repressive of women', then white women will appreciate and side with white men. That is why the Islam-is-repressive-to-women had to be suppressed by the Jewish Power. As Jews regard white unity and white identity as the main rival to Jewish Power, their main concern is to have white women see white men as enemies and side with people of color, blacks, and Jews.

    https://youtu.be/vwFshwxECq0?t=2m12s

    https://youtu.be/e62uLLsvUzI?t=1m10s

    In FRIED GREEN TOMATOES and many other movies set in the South, white men are usually wife-beaters. So, white women must side with Negroes, Jews, and homos against the Evil White Male. These movies don't feature white men as noble defenders of white women from the Negroes as in the heroic and glorious BIRTH OF A NATION. Instead, white men beat up their wives while Negroes are so wonderful. So, white women should side with the Noble Negro.
    Or take FAR FROM HEAVEN where a white woman finds out her white husband sucks dic*s, so she could go off and kiss a Negro on the lips. So, all these narratives say white guys are messed up in some way. They either beat up their wives or want to suck dic*s... while Negroes are so wonderful.

    Many Jewish feminists are not religiously Jewish but still subconsciously tribal, and in their assessment of power, the main threat to Jewish Power is white unity and identity. So, even though they personally dislike the Muslim Way, they suppress their animus and push the Shining Ideal of White Women as comrades of People of Color as all of them are victimized by Evil White Males like Kavanaugh and Haven Monahan. Feminists and Jews put a bounty on Kavanaugh's head:
    https://youtu.be/obLl9d3ZUmA?t=5m31s

    Also, the main threat to the white race in US and Europe is not Islam but blacks. Africans are the ones who are exploding in population. And black men are the most violent and thuggish in America. Generally, a white woman will be better off marrying an Arab Muslim than going with some Negro. But why does the Jewish-run media now feature black male and white female as the mixed-raced-supremacist ideal? Again, it is to break the unity of white men and white women, the main source of white power.

    This is what Jewish feminists on the inside and Jewish Male Power on the outside FEEL in common. Even though many Jewish men secretly loathe feminists(and act like by badboy hornballs like Harvey Weinstein) and even though Jewish feminists know lots of Jewish men are a bunch of 'misogynistic' portnoic pervs. what they have in common at the subconscious level if the Tribalism that identifies white unity and identity as the Main Threat. So, wink wink, they work together.

    As for white shikse feminists, they are just mindless NPC's. Especially Northern European types, having lost their old religion and puritanism, need to find something new to feel morally puritanical about, and so they will latch onto anything that makes them feel sooooo self-righteous. They play on the Handmaid Tale trope, but their mindset is neo-puritanical. They cannot see the world in any way but 'this way good, that way eeeeeeevil'.

    That was a good take-down of Norma Rae. The first time I saw it, I was semi-red-pilled, so I sensed some of what was being portrayed in the movie. But this reviewer brings up a lot of the more subtle points I missed.

    Hollywood’s message to white America could well be summarized (with a nod to Ms. Field’s Oscar):

    We hate you! We really hate you!

    • Replies: @Anon
    The great irony is that Jewish Power that initially agitated the White Working Class against the Boss class later abandoned the White Working Class in favor of Free Trade and cheaper foreign scabs.

    By promoting Union power, the white working class was goaded into making too many demands the companies couldn't fulfill. Also, cultural degradation during Counterculture undercut the work ethic of working class boomers and their kids. And then, the globalists told the companies to just ditch those spoiled no-good white workers and ship factories overseas or get the Mexicans.

    Jews went from telling white workers to Hate the Boss to telling the Boss to abandon the white workers.

    This tension within Jewish politics is seen in Mamet's HOFFA and GLENGARRY and MAIN & STATE.

    HOFFA is sympathetic to the Union but also presents it as the Mob of unruly goyim who invoke Justice to grab more for themselves. And in GLENGARRY and MAIN & STATE, the white guy who talks about 'justice' is just sore because he hasn't the brains to outwit the smarter entrepreneurs. All their talk of the 'working class' is just the babble of sore losers. What they really care about is money, and they can be easily bought. Mamet's tribalism is nasty but also largely true. Look at all those white cuck politicians in Congress who will sell their mothers down the river for their piece of the cake.

    Once Jews became the primary ownership class of the US, they could no longer stomach Prole Politics. So, the post-left was all about homos.
  240. @Tiny Duck
    Bingo

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    Black Males are irresistible. white boys cannot compete

    you forgot to add: ……………….in prison.

  241. @Anonymous

    My theory is that a lot of feminist rage was private anger and sibling rivalry turned outward against society as a whole.
     
    A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn't tend to exist among other groups, or there's some other factor behind this feminist rage.

    ‘A lot of these original feminist ragers seem to have Jewish backgrounds. It seems that either this degree and frequency of sibling rivalry doesn’t tend to exist among other groups, or there’s some other factor behind this feminist rage…’

    What’s interesting to contemplate is how far back the tendency goes.

    I remember noticing something when I read More Powerful than Dynamite. That book is a competent account of radical hijinks in 1915 New York City. What the author doesn’t see fit to comment on is that a disproportionate number of his cast of angry young people are Jewish girls fresh out of Galicia, Lithuania, Poland, the Ukraine, etc. Emma Goldman was the most famous of the lot, but she was hardly alone.

    These Eastern European Jewesses seem to have exploded out of the shtetl — and never stopped exploding; the cause itself was always secondary. Thankfully, Jewish men refuse to marry them, so they’re slowly being bred out of existence.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "I remember noticing something when I read More Powerful than Dynamite. That book is a competent account of radical hijinks in 1915 New York City. What the author doesn’t see fit to comment on is that a disproportionate number of his cast of angry young people are Jewish girls fresh out of Galicia, Lithuania, Poland, the Ukraine, etc. "

    H.P Lovecraft wrote The Street in 1919, a disgraceful piece of Noticing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_(short_story)

    , @AnAnon
    "so they’re slowly being bred out of existence." - If the orthodox communities are redirecting their problems outwards then this is emphatically not happening.
  242. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Morgan maintained it would be bad for Ms. to accuse a black man, because quite simply, in the victim hierarchy of things, black, third-world men rate above white, first-world women."

    So two Jewish feminists throw a third Jewish feminist under the rape bus. Nice.

    Robin Morgan seems to be another feminist with daddy issues, having only seen him in two occasions. "Daddy daddy, you bastard, I'm through".


    "Until Robin Morgan was 13 years old, her mother Faith claimed that Robin's father had been killed in World War II. However, Robin overheard conversations between her mother and aunt suggesting her father was alive. When she confronted her mother, Faith changed her story to assert that Robin's father had escaped from one Nazi concentration camp after another, and that she had saved his life by sponsoring his immigration to the United States where he had no family. Not until several years later, did Robin get proof that this was also a lie"
     
    On the other hand she's robust on transgender issues - a bit too robust IMHO.

    In this speech she referred to Elliott as a "transsexual male" and used male pronouns throughout, charging her with being "an opportunist, an infiltrator, and a destroyer-with the mentality of a rapist."

     

    When she confronted her mother, Faith changed her story to assert that Robin’s father had escaped from one Nazi concentration camp after another, and that she had saved his life by sponsoring his immigration to the United States where he had no family. Not until several years later, did Robin get proof that this was also a lie”

    Remember, no other convenient, overwrought stories about concentration camps and survival thereof are lies, just this one.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  243. @SFG
    Even old (((New York))) was once New Amsterdam.

    Nice Istanbul not Constantinople reference from They Might be Giants and others from earlier times

  244. @JackOH
    Spot on, Rosie. My guess is that capitalists sort of resisted the hiring of out-groups despite the lower wages and salaries out-group folks commanded pretty much because capitalists didn't want to alienate White dudes and rattle traditional patterns of behaviors and expectations.

    After the 1960s brought with it a whole raft of equalitarian mandates, capitalists ended up with a sort of win-win. They could lay on those out-group folks more freely, and deflect the wrath of those alienated White dudes by saying the government made them do it.

    I think the fly in the ointment is that those 1960s "liberationisms" promised implicitly that Blacks, women, and gays would add to the existing stock of national talent without displacing those White dudes. But I think displacement is exactly what's happening, which is why you see a bit of anger here.

    Blacks, women, and gays would add to the existing stock of national talent without displacing those White dudes

    And without particularly adding to the existing stock of national talent.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Lurker, back in the late 1990s I read an article referencing a credible study that said women had gone from 10% of sales positions in 1970 to 60% of sales positions. The article didn't mention the total numbers of sales positions in either 1970 or the 1990s. What happened to the menfolk wanting a classic entry-level job in corporate America? The article didn't say.
  245. @Anon
    We need a new Fall of Constantinople to wrest power from the evil Christian

    Better Sharia than Whoria. As for Christianity, it is now dead. Gone globo-homo, it needs to be put to sleep. Better Islam than Cucktianity.

    Sadly, you’re probably right.

  246. @unpc downunder
    Maybe she isn't a Marxist, but second wave feminism in practice is primarily a movement to attack free market capitalism. Most of the demands of second wave feminism involve getting money out of white male capitalists and much of their critique is directed at the supposed unfairness of the capitalist system. The word sexism also came into common use at the same time that traditional, union-based left wing activism was waning. The main difference between traditional socialism and identity politics leftism is that the victim class has changed from working class males to women and minorities.

    Feminism and anti-racism work well in the US because many Americans tend to believe in meritocracy and are hostile to traditional socialism. Thus accusing the economic elites of racism and sexism (as a means of securing resources from them) is more effective than attacking the free market capitalist system head on.

    Old style Union Demand: “Workers are underpaid. We demand a 30% pay raise.”

    Feminist Demand: “Women make 70% of what men make. We demand a 30% pay raise for women.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Feminist Demand: “Women make 70% of what men make. We demand a 30% pay raise for women.”'

    ...and they would be baffled to discover they still hadn't reached parity with men.

  247. @SFG
    Another large contributing factor, I thought, was the sexual revolution of the sixties. All of a sudden, you could have sex without producing a baby, and sexual repression was bad (thanks, Freud and Norman O. Brown)! This led to a lot of guys taking advantage of loosening mores to sleep around, particularly on the left--it was always well-known that the left had looser women. The women were upset by this--there was a famous quote--"what's the correct position of a woman in the movement? Prone"--and you can see how second wave feminism ("women's lib") came out of that.

    Similarly a lot of the "rape culture" hysteria is a reaction to the hookup culture of the turn of the millennium--guys were using loosening mores to get laid, and women didn't like it.

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.

    We'll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind. Some younger religious conservatives will go along with it--ironically social conservatives and feminists agree on protecting women from male sexual exploitation, even if they arrive at that point from completely different mental models.

    This is the reason why American attitudes towards women and sex are almost uniquely pernicious and dysfunctional: the unholy synergy between feminism and (particularly evangelical) Christianity.

  248. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @trelane
    as part of a circle of “pioneers” of the modern women’s movement – some of them “dangerously intelligent,” most of them “radical thinkers,”

    Radicals are not especially smart. They also tend to have subdued scores on measures of global functioning. The typical radical spent way too many years in college getting C and D grades on 101 level coursework.

    Today, the layabout/radical is living off their spouse's income or university sinecure. They are not someone who you, as a normal person, would go to for advice.

    Why do these people have significant political influence? It's a mystery. Losers, mentally disturbed or disordered, isolated, are at the forefront of political media debate. People who you would never take personal advice from are now our "leaders".

    We need to keep pointing this out. Incessantly. I’m so tired of the lazy cultural cliche of the “bright” or “brilliant” leftist, why anyone to their right is “dumb,” “to lazy to think,” etc. Eg, The Way We Were.

    Any Marxist half-wit gets never ending cultural cred, while great minds like Spengler or Schmitt or James Buchanan are just “nazi thugs”.

    Marx started it, with his idiotic claim to have “Set Hegel right-side up”, as if the pushy little Jew understood anything Hegel wrote.

  249. @Jefferson
    "I think you mean “the enemies of Western civilization are our friends.”  Islamists are hardly Leftists."

    Islamists are Leftists. When they move to White countries they ONLY vote for Left Wing political parties.

    Like another semitic group they vote left but are very conservative in their personal lives. They do this because they know that modern leftism undermines the host society.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  250. @Redneck farmer
    You need a NSF Grant to develop your theory!

    Your tax money well spent R.F. , I assure you, or my name ain’t Nathan Arizona Achmed E. Newman.

  251. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.

    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not – someone is lying). Now it’s possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don’t like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it’s a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don’t PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, “What are you nuts? We’ll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined – I don’t care what you want.” but now lizard brain says, “No worries mate, let’s go for it, we’ll have some harmless fun!”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Blasey Fords who don’t like casual sex"

    One of Christine Blasey Ford's ex-boyfriends broke up with her because she cheated on him with another man, so she does like casual sex which should not be surprising because she is not exactly a traditionalist, being Generation X she grew up with MTV and Madonna in the 1980s.

    , @Rosie

    My guess is that most (not all) women don’t PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, “What are you nuts? We’ll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined – I don’t care what you want.” but now lizard brain says, “No worries mate, let’s go for it, we’ll have some harmless fun!”
     
    Interesting take, but I'm not sure I agree. I don't think women drink themselves into a stupor so that they can have guilt-free sex. I think they do it because it feels good. It's a social lubricant and it enhances intimacy. Nonetheless, there might be something to this.

    I also don't really think the failures of consent are necessarily about drunkenness, though I'm sure that's often a factor. I think it has more to do with genuine misunderstandings. I also think women will give men the benefit of the doubt if they call the next morning, but assume that worst about their intentions if they don't.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango.
     
    No it isn't. Most women don't care for it. The few who do get a lioness's share of the action.

    Cf. "taxi dancer". Without the Lyft fee, of course.

    A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions...
     
    This explains "rape fantasies", too. They're quite selective about whom they are to be "raped" by. Removing consent (in the fantasy) removes agency and thus removes guilt.

    Men don't put themselves through this. They just have to clean the shower drain every now and then.
    , @Rosie
    "It takes two to tango."

    But one of the parties is doing it hoping that something more will come of it, and often wouldn't be doing it otherwise.
    , @Twinkie

    my guess is that it’s a lot closer to 1 to 1.
     
    A while back I read a survey of American women on the number of lifetime sexual partners. The mean was 7, but the median was 2. That ought to tell you that there is a small subset of women with very high numbers of partners driving the mean high from the median.

    I think the same survey found the most promiscuous women in the world to be those of New Zealand, with the mean of 20 partners.
  252. @Jack D

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not - someone is lying). Now it's possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don't like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it's a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don't PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, "What are you nuts? We'll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined - I don't care what you want." but now lizard brain says, "No worries mate, let's go for it, we'll have some harmless fun!"

    “Blasey Fords who don’t like casual sex”

    One of Christine Blasey Ford’s ex-boyfriends broke up with her because she cheated on him with another man, so she does like casual sex which should not be surprising because she is not exactly a traditionalist, being Generation X she grew up with MTV and Madonna in the 1980s.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    being Generation X she grew up
     
    That would be Generation XX. And she didn't grow up.
  253. @Rosie

    Ironically you see some Catholic guys like Matthew Walther arguing that stuff like #MeToo is actually beneficial as it will lead to a return to traditional mores, with men restricting their paramours to women they expect to get married to to reduce their risk of a false accusation.
     
    For the life of me, I can't understand why so-called traditional conservatives want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex. I can only conclude that they're not really traditional conservatives.

    We’ll probably see a new double standard, where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can't see that being much of a problem. Women don't much care for casual sex.

    “Women don’t much care for casual sex.”

    If that were true Spring Break in Florida would be mostly a sausage fest and mostly made of Gay male sex fests.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  254. The lesson that unz.com is trying to teach me is that feminism is needed, just not here.

  255. @Anonymous
    He'd already workshopped that in the 90s by, rather ostentatiously, calling out Sidney Blumenthal, synecdoche for The Clenis's praetorians, on mounting a whispering/smear campaign against not yet stain-certified Monica L.

    It was revealing how the leftstream winced at the whole to-do less from the unseemly spectacle of squealing on a supposedly long-time personal friend than Hitchens's move to actually do something about it and render an affidavit to the House majority, i.e. Republicans, Chambers-Hiss-style. In other words: would've all been Beltway-A-OK if he'd limited himself to ineffectual grandstanding on cable news, but he got greedy! Lol

    The Clenis’s praetorians

    Not to be confused with the clitorians.

  256. @Jefferson
    "Blasey Fords who don’t like casual sex"

    One of Christine Blasey Ford's ex-boyfriends broke up with her because she cheated on him with another man, so she does like casual sex which should not be surprising because she is not exactly a traditionalist, being Generation X she grew up with MTV and Madonna in the 1980s.

    being Generation X she grew up

    That would be Generation XX. And she didn’t grow up.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  257. @SFG
    Tradcons *don't* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex--it's the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to--MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it's not worth the risk.

    A large part of the straight female fraction of feminism has been the subportion of straight women who actually do want to be promiscuous--many, many women are not feminists. Slutwalks and so on.

    Motivated reasoning is a real thing. On every side--we evolved to convince each other of stuff to pursue our interests, not discover truth. It's why science evolved so late, and why we always consider the background of the speaker even if it doesn't change the truth value of their statements.Ad hominem arguments actually make sense evolutionarily if you can't verify the truth or falsity of every statement someone makes.

    It may be true on both sides, but not equally so.

  258. @Jack D

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not - someone is lying). Now it's possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don't like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it's a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don't PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, "What are you nuts? We'll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined - I don't care what you want." but now lizard brain says, "No worries mate, let's go for it, we'll have some harmless fun!"

    My guess is that most (not all) women don’t PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, “What are you nuts? We’ll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined – I don’t care what you want.” but now lizard brain says, “No worries mate, let’s go for it, we’ll have some harmless fun!”

    Interesting take, but I’m not sure I agree. I don’t think women drink themselves into a stupor so that they can have guilt-free sex. I think they do it because it feels good. It’s a social lubricant and it enhances intimacy. Nonetheless, there might be something to this.

    I also don’t really think the failures of consent are necessarily about drunkenness, though I’m sure that’s often a factor. I think it has more to do with genuine misunderstandings. I also think women will give men the benefit of the doubt if they call the next morning, but assume that worst about their intentions if they don’t.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Many of the feminist written college disciplinary codes specify that consent to sexual activity may be "withdrawn AT ANY TIME". These are the exact words used in dozens of these codes. It should be noted that "any time" is not limited to before or during the sex act itself. By their terms, these codes allow consent to be revoked the next day or even months or years later.

    As a practical matter, this is exactly how the codes are applied - so long as the woman remains happy with the man in question or still has something to gain from him, consent is not an issue. But once that is no longer true then the question of consent remains open even (as Kavanaugh found out) 35 years later.

    Now in a sane world, retroactive revocation of consent is an insane Alice-in-Wonderland notion but Rosie explains how, in the working of the female brain it is not crazy at all.
  259. “the extent to which so many of the most charismatic and original of feminist thinkers were mentally ill.”

    Shulamith Firestone (another ex-Orthodox Jewish woman) is the poster girl for mentally ill feminists. She dies schizophrenic, childless, friendless and alone, surrounded only by her cats (which proceed to eat her body), having cut herself off from her family. Making her your role model in life is almost as good as modeling yourself after a heroin addict, except that you have a slower, more drawn out death if you choose feminism instead of addiction.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  260. @Jack D

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not - someone is lying). Now it's possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don't like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it's a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don't PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, "What are you nuts? We'll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined - I don't care what you want." but now lizard brain says, "No worries mate, let's go for it, we'll have some harmless fun!"

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.

    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango.

    No it isn’t. Most women don’t care for it. The few who do get a lioness’s share of the action.

    Cf. “taxi dancer”. Without the Lyft fee, of course.

    A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions…

    This explains “rape fantasies”, too. They’re quite selective about whom they are to be “raped” by. Removing consent (in the fantasy) removes agency and thus removes guilt.

    Men don’t put themselves through this. They just have to clean the shower drain every now and then.

  261. she’s known all her adult life what a truly brutal patriarchy looks like

    What’s this “adult” business? She’s already said she’s been through it her whole life.

    It’s just that upon reaching majority, she switched from one Abrahamic patriarchy to another, avoiding the third (excuse me, second) which has always been the easiest of the three on women.

  262. @Big duck
    Her rapist was a black man: https://phyllis-chesler.com/articles/gloria-steinems-rape-cover-up

    No parody can compete with reality. Thanks.

  263. @Jack D

    Women don’t much care for casual sex.
     
    This is a very strange notion. It takes two to tango. We know that the # of heterosexual sex acts performed by each gender is precisely equal as a mathematical matter (even though based on self reporting it is not - someone is lying). Now it's possible that these acts could involve 1 woman running a train, 99 Blasey Fords who don't like casual sex and 100 eager Kavanaughs, but my guess is that it's a lot closer to 1 to 1.

    My guess is that most (not all) women don't PREFER casual sex but they will take casual sex over no sex. A lot of the failure of consent stories involve women intentionally drinking themselves into a state of lowered inhibitions so that their lizard brain can take over from their guilty feeling human brain and give their instinctive sex drive the sex that it craves. In the past, human brain would tell lizard brain, "What are you nuts? We'll get pregnant and our lives will be ruined - I don't care what you want." but now lizard brain says, "No worries mate, let's go for it, we'll have some harmless fun!"

    “It takes two to tango.”

    But one of the parties is doing it hoping that something more will come of it, and often wouldn’t be doing it otherwise.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Then that one is on the spectrum. Chastity is appealing to prospective husbands. Not the opposite.
  264. @Jefferson
    "I think it’s more useful to think of Leftism as a process than a coherent ideology. A process in which individuals compete to see who can be the most compassionate"

    The Left shows ZERO compassion for the rape victims of Bill Clinton, the Rotherham rape victims by Muslim gangs, Mary Jo Kopechne who was killed by the the drunk driving of the alcoholic Irishman Ted Kennedy, etc.


    Here is a pro-abortion Left Winger showing his "compassion" by round house kicking a pro-life woman simply because he disagrees with her political views.

    Commie Norris/Socialist Norris/Soy Norris/Cuck Norris
    https://youtu.be/z7SqtIe5rZQ

    Sure, because the Left doesn’t have principles. Instead Leftists pick and choose which downtrodden people to lobby for — what will bring the most social status.

  265. @Intelligent Dasein

    A lot of the problem with young men is deindustrialization and the shift of the economy to sectors that don’t have much use for a guy with an IQ below 110...And, of course, when a sector like tech that *is* suited to men appears...
     
    I believe it's rather the opposite. There is now, always was, and always will be plenty of work for people of average mental abilities. The problem is that in our society today, such jobs are the only jobs that remain; and the habits, preferences, and proclivities of the mediocre middle are the only style of life that is tolerated. The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he's forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic.

    As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being.

    Those possessing an IQ hovering between 110 and 120 are among the most irritating people around, because they are simply the right tail of "normal" and are almost universally subject to a Dunning-Krugerism of the second order. They know they are sharper than the average person, which makes them uppity and over-confident; but they cannot and do not realize how far below they are the real genius, who belongs to a different order altogether.

    …The really outstanding man can find no task today that is worthy of himself. He cannot benefit from the ripe tradition which is necessary for the full development of his rare faculties, and he’s forced to muddle through in a world that he finds inane, tragic, and demonic…

    Dasein’s cry-from-the heart autobio.

    … As far as tech is concerned, I would not consider it a worthy field of endeavor today. It was in the past, when engineers were rigorously trained, hard men who had meaty and important projects to work on. Nowadays they are just the poorly paid servants of crony capitalism, and even of the marketing department. Financialization means that money has replaced technics as the object of the will-to-power, for the time being…

    Say what? An intelligent fan of Martin Heidegger failed at computer programming? The sky is crying! Say it ain’t so!

    • LOL: Twinkie
  266. @utu
    Good hat you caught Sailer's omission. Here Otto Weininger is opinion on inter family dynamics in Jewish families which may apply to daughters as well:

    http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/schareng.pdf
    It would be easy to understand why the family (in its biological not its legal sense) plays a larger role amongst the Jews than amongst any other people; the English, who in certain ways are akin to the Jews, coming next. The family, in this biological sense, is feminine and maternal in its origin, and has no relation to the State or to society. The fusion, the continuity of the members of the family, reaches its highest point amongst the Jews. In the Indo-Germanic races, especially in the case of the more gifted, but also in quite ordinary individuals, there is never complete harmony between father and son; consciously, or unconsciously, there is always in the mind of the son a certain feeling of impatience against the man who, unasked, brought him into the world, gave him a name, and determined his limitations in this earthly life. It is only amongst the Jews that the son feels deeply rooted in the family and is fully at one with his father. It scarcely ever happens amongst Christians that father and son are really friends. Amongst Christians even the daughters stand a little further apart from the family circle than happens with Jewish girls, and more frequently take up some calling which isolates them and gives them independent interests.
     

    The family, in this biological sense, is feminine and maternal in its origin, and has no relation to the State or to society.

    What?

    per the 4th Commandment:

    Thou shalt honor thy father and thy mother [that it may be well with thee and thou mayest live long upon the earth].

    What does this mean?–Answer.

    We should fear and love God that we may not despise nor anger our parents and masters, but give them honor, serve, obey, and hold them in love and esteem.

    “In this commandment belongs a further statement regarding all kinds of obedience to persons in authority who have to command and to govern. For all authority flows and is propagated from the authority of parents.

  267. @Jefferson
    "Tradcons *don’t* want to facilitate consequence-free casual sex–it’s the younger, single, alt-right or alt-lite male contingent that wants to–MRAs, PUAs, etc. MGTOW just figures it’s not worth the risk."

    The vast majority of the Alt-Right are not having free casual sex, they are not playboy players. Most of them are sexless losers complaining on a Saturday night that they can not get a White girlfriend because the Jooz brainwashed all White women into only dating Black guys.

    Not like you, of course. You’re obviously quite the winner.

  268. @Achmed E. Newman


    ... where women can sleep around to express their sexuality but men are subject to false rape accusations if the woman changes her mind.
     
    I can’t see that being much of a problem.
     
    It's one hell of a problem if you're a man and have hormones and control yourself enough to get laid with a willing partner, then you get sent off to #MeInTheAss prison for 10 years on a false charge. Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?

    That question can only be rhetorical.

  269. @Neoconned
    Not being sarcastic but in some ways I prefer an islam based culture to this post-postmodern atheist political correctness we have now....

    The only way in which it’s not preferable is the lack of alcohol. And I’m rapidly coming around on that point.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I dated a Tunisian chick when I was in college who was a nominal Muslim - you'd be surprised at the 1920s type black markets there
  270. @Rosie

    Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?
     
    Sure I do!

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I'm told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart's desire.

    More likely, would make prostitution popular again, after destroying much of the social trust.

    Remember that the false rape accusations can be made not only against Chad who didn’t call the next day, but against a husband, against the neighbour’s husband (to get back at that bitch!), against the boy who didn’t want to date her, against the coworker who stands in her way to the top of corporate hierachy, against the people they find gross and creepy, and against anyone just for the LOLs.

    A climate of false accusations only benefits sociopaths.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosie

    More likely, would make prostitution popular again, after destroying much of the social trust.
     
    I don't know about that, but I do know this: In order to convict a person of a crime, you have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. This is very hard to do in rape cases. I'm just not clear on what further protection you think men accused of rape need or are entitled to.

    I understand the concern about collateral consequences, but there again the solution is due process. I personally would not oppose a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt in college disciplinary or employment cases as well.
    , @Neoconned
    Some shady Vietnamese were running a "Jack shack" down here a mile from my house in a strip mall. It was run with a nod and a wink for yrs by the local rednexk sheriff office.

    My brother worked as a car salesman for a few yrs and his boss took him and their crew there for a celebration after a big sales week. My brothers masseuse slash hooker was a 25 yrs old half Korean "college student " from NY. Used a condom and everything in told....i was about to partake....140$ for the whole package when the county district attorneys office raided it with the FBI in tow and state police under the guise of "stopping human trafficking "...

    A former classmate of mine is now an asst. DA....was humorous seeing her do a big moral showing in the newspapers when she used to be a party girl herself.

    It's funny, the rumor is half the sheriffs office were using the "services" there until a few bitter cop wives leaned on the county DA to "do something " about the brothel.....
  271. @Anonymous
    I think that has been Occam's explanation-- left-feminists were always more resentment-fueled b/c of denying male vs. female nature and, in the resulting way of things, getting Weinsteined much more frequently than traditional girls were. Betty Friedan's rebellious-housewife mythology gets it exactly backward. As they entered the work force women's exposure to the panoply of "harassment" could only ever increase.

    As early as the 70s, satires of protest & flower-power culture always had that stock sleazy character lurking around to seduce liberal broads who didn't need no chaperones like a bicycle for fish, you know. It's a recipe for bad encounters with men

    There is truth in this comment.

    Today we have girls who want to drink like the bad boys (and with the bad boys), and then of course get to know the hard-to-avoid bad consequences of blacking out in bad company. Then the problem is misogyny! Rape culture! Bible-bearing conservatives! Everything but doing shitty things with shitty people.

  272. @Rosie

    Do you ever think of anyone but yourself, Rosie?
     
    Sure I do!

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I'm told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart's desire.

    In particular, I think of all the righteous young men who, so I’m told, wish to settle down and have kids. It seems to me encouraging chads to marry one girl rather than pumping and dumping through their twenties would help them secure a mate, as I am told, and would like to believe, is their heart’s desire.

    I think this is what Dalrock calls the “Apex Fallacy”. Attributing to all men the qualities of those who are most attractive to women.

    You know, it is always possible to ignore the chads, and date one of the many men who is not a chad, and does actually want to settle down and have kids. But those chads are soooo hot, and the non-chads are soooo boring, and it is so much more fun to chase the chads and then complain that they are only looking to pump and dump. And then look for another chad – maybe the next one will want to settle!

    Fortunately, there are grounds for optimism: substantial numbers of people are either predisposed to settling down, or are capable of learning from their bad experiences.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Traditionally both approaches (controlling chads and young lasses) were pursued.
  273. @Anon
    Little known fact: Anon 425 actually invented the "globo-homo" term that is used by tens of people on the alt right (ie most of the alt right). We used to make fun of him for it. Then people started using it unironically.

    Re: Islam

    Most of Islam's good qualities, such as they are, are due to Islam being stuck in 700 AD. Not that Islam is a very good culture in and of itself. For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It's not a Muslim thing per se. And neither are strict rules governing the chastity of women. It's just that Islam is more Barbaric about it and they haven't changed as much as other cultures have.

    It’s just that Islam is more Barbaric about it and they haven’t changed as much as other cultures have.

    Has the change in those other cultures been for the good? How are the people of those changed cultures faring?

  274. @MEH 0910
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Nicol

    Davidson Sylvester Hector Willoughby Nicol or Abioseh Nicol (14 September 1924 – 20 September 1994) was a Sierra Leonean academic, diplomat, physician, writer and poet. He has been considered as one of Sierra Leone’s most educated and greatest citizens of the twentieth century[citation needed], as he was able to secure degrees in the arts, science and commercial disciplines and he contributed to science, history, and literature.[citation needed]. Nicol was the first African to graduate with First Class Honours from the University of Cambridge and he was also the first African elected as a Fellow of a college of Cambridge University. Described by one scholar as a polymath, Davidson Nicol significantly contributed to medical science when he was the first to analyse the breakdown of insulin in the human body, a discovery which was a breakthrough for the treatment of diabetes.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Nicol

    It would be instructive to amend the Wikipedia pages for Nicol, Chesler, Steinem, and Morgan to mention the rape and cover-up. Of course, the changes would be reversed, but this censorship would be a news story in its own right.

  275. @bomag
    VDH, a good chronicler of the decline.

    His anecdotes about the local rubbish problems portends the future: too many people for their logistical capabilities.

    His anecdotes about the local rubbish problems portends the future…

    One of the things that strikes me about every 3rd world country I’ve been to is how much trash there is everywhere. People just don’t seem to care.

  276. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    "For example women covering their heads was the norm in medieval Christianity. It’s not a Muslim thing per se."

    It is a Muslim thing. ZERO percent of the women walking around with hijabs or burqas at The Mall Of America in Minnesota are Christians.

    It is a Muslim thing. ZERO percent of the women walking around with hijabs or burqas at The Mall Of America in Minnesota are Christians.

    It is a Muslim thing now, but are hijabs worse than ho-jobs? Surely, hijabed women in Iran are saner than Lena Dunhamism. Now, I don’t want a society where women are forced to wear stuff like that. But the main problem is not sharia but whoria in the West. The mini-skirt was a disaster.

    Also, pagan Ancient Athens had women in veils, not least because Athens had a huge foreign barbarian slave population. And you don’t need Islam to have stupid laws on women. China had foot-binding, surely worse than hijabery.

    As society turn more migratory, there are two ways of dealing with womenfolk. The Arab way or the Mongol way. Arabs and Mongols were both migratory people. Settled people became more secure about ownership of womenfolk. Non-settled people always come in contact with others as either conquerors or conquered. So, what to do with their womenfolks? One way to keep foreigners away from them is by hiding and concealing them. Veiling women has that effect. In LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, men have their sphere, and women have their own, which is why we hardly see women in the movie.
    The other way is the Mongol way. It bonded Mongol men and women close together. Make women tough and man-like and follow men around close and do some headbashing too on occasion. Germanic Barbarians were like this too. According to Tacitus, when the Germanic men are fighting, the women aren’t far behind. They are close cheering for their men to kick butt and bring home the trophies.

    As the world turns more migratory and white girlfolk come in greater contact with foreign men, white fathers really gotta think. Which option? (1) white women as fellow warriors of white men (2) white women put in their place and forbidden from communing with foreign men. Ride together or Hide away.

    In the American West, white womenfolk rode together, which is why they got the vote first in the Western states. It’s like what the woman says in THE SEARCHERS. But the bond has been broken be feminism.