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From the New York Times article on the Rolling Stone / Columbia School of Journalism account of the series of unfortunate events at the University of Virginia:

Mr. Wenner said that Ms. Erdely would continue to write for Rolling Stone, and that Will Dana, the magazine’s managing editor, and the editor of the article, Sean Woods, would keep their jobs. …

As Voltaire might say, for the non-discouragement of the others …

Unlike really horrible people who lose their jobs for telling the truth like Jason Richwine and James D. Watson …

Ms. Erdely, a contributing editor at Rolling Stone who has also written for GQ and The New Yorker, declined to be interviewed for this article. She said in her apology that reading the report was “a brutal and humbling experience.” She also acknowledged that she did not do enough to verify Jackie’s account.

Rolling Stone’s fundamental mistake, Mr. Dana said, was in suspending any skepticism about Jackie’s account because of the sensitivity of the issue. “We didn’t think through all the implications of the decisions that we made while reporting the story, and we never sort of allowed for the fact that maybe the story we were being told was not true,” he said. That was compounded by the fact that any reporting on any alleged crime that has not been reported to the authorities is difficult, he said.

“Ultimately, we were too deferential to our rape victim,” Mr. Woods, the article’s editor, said in the report.

There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.

“We honored too many of her requests in our reporting. We should have been much tougher, and in not doing that, we maybe did her a disservice.”

Ms. Erdely, Mr. Wenner said, “was willing to go too far in her effort to try and protect a victim of apparently a horrible crime. She dropped her journalistic training, scruples and rules and convinced Sean to do the same. There is this series of falling dominoes.”

Mr. Dana said that the report was punishment enough for those involved, and that they did not deserve to lose their jobs because the story “was not the result of patterns in the work of these people.”

There’s a long pattern of Ms. Rubin Erdely’s work, going back to her early friendship with Stephen Glass, of Rubin Erdely being driven by political correct animus to publish extremely doubtful and tendentious versions of events, like the transgender hooker whose knife was attacked by the neo-Nazi’s chest (according to her Rolling Stone article).

By the way, a quick CTRL-F check shows this NYT article does not include the terms “Haven Monahan” or “catfish.”

The 13,000 word Columbia/RS article mentions “Haven Monahan” twice and doesn’t mention “catfish.”

But, the important thing is that Emily Renda’s career in campus rape crisis awareness will only be boosted by this. Here’s the conclusion of the NYT article:

The story, and the ensuing scandal, may have discouraged some women from coming forward with their accounts of sexual assault, said John D. Foubert, a former dean at the University of Virginia and the current president of One In Four, a rape prevention charity. Ms. Renda, the expert at the university on sexual assault issues, said she hoped that one effect of the Columbia report would be that such a chilling effect would dissipate.

“In the long term I don’t think people are going to look back at this story and say, This is why women are not coming forward,” Mr. Dana said. “At the same time it’s certainly not helping things immediately.”

Ms. Renda, who was interviewed for the Columbia report, offered another reason that she felt the Rolling Stone article was flawed: The magazine was drawn toward the most extreme story of a campus rape it could find. The more nuanced accounts, she suggested, seemed somehow “not real enough to stand for rape culture. And that is part of the problem.”

 
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  1. Why even bother with any of this “mistakes were made” and “mid level bureaucratic snafu” mush mouth rhetoric if nobody is going to be punished or held accountable? As far as I know, Teresa Sullivan still has the sanctions and restrictions against the frat in question and frats in general in place that she enacted as a reaction to this hoax.

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  2. Ultimately, we were too deferential to our rape victim.

    Curious word, “our”. Would have enjoyed hearing his tone of voice as he said it, or am I the only one struck by him saying that?

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    Exactly. That 'our' jumped out at me right away. I mean, typically, when a journalist is admonished and writing some form of correction or clarification, the impulse is to consciously create distance and detachment from the source of the article's contention.

    But here the impulse seems to be: cover one's ass while maintaining our idelogical bona-fides and those who represent them.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I think this indicates the story was conceived before facts were found. "Our" means the "rape victim" they drummed up to fit into their pre-conceived article.
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  3. It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?

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    • Replies: @leftist conservative

    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.
    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?
     
    As a journalist or entertainer or actor, you really have to promote the propaganda of the elite if you want to be rewarded by the elite. The elite control us partly through propaganda. If you want to be rewarded by the elite, help them control us by pushing their propaganda for them.

    Putting women on a pedestal, removing sex from the workplace, making males afraid to use their sexuality, all these things help women compete against men in the workplace. That increases the supply of labor and the supply of consumers, which increases corporate profits.

    Help the elite! Help them spread their profit-enhancing propaganda, and you will be amply rewarded!

    , @ben tillman

    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status?
     
    It's ethnopolitics.
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  4. It surprised me Wenner criticized the co-ed but headed off any questions of disciplining his staff. Maybe in this era of media consumption a policy of smear-first-ask-questions-later doesn’t bother the readers. Of course the position of the local Charlottesville franchisees for Rape Culture Strategies LLP is to stay totally shameless and unabashed.

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  5. Rolling Stone is even less relevant to the world than it was before the UVA creative writing exercise. The author’s lack of credibility and lack of remorse for obvious malfeasance and incompetence, combined with no material repercussions for her and other guilty parties will be a case study for what is left of journalism programs around the country.

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  6. ot. I think frank kaminski will crawl before coach k and his blacks , just like Gorden Hayward who deliberately missed his last shot and got no.9 at th drafts.

    kaminski is now around no.17. he will want a higher rank in the draft and coach k has a say over it.

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    • Replies: @nikcrit
    Nonsense, says this black man, or half-breed, if you will.

    BTW, Kaminsky will either maintain or raise his draft placement tomorrow night. (I love the fact that the stars on my team look like they could be starters on the 1962 Boston Celtics...lolzz.

    Destiny is a bitch, Coach K.
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  7. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Ultimately, we were too deferential to our rape victim.

    Curious word, "our". Would have enjoyed hearing his tone of voice as he said it, or am I the only one struck by him saying that?

    Exactly. That ‘our’ jumped out at me right away. I mean, typically, when a journalist is admonished and writing some form of correction or clarification, the impulse is to consciously create distance and detachment from the source of the article’s contention.

    But here the impulse seems to be: cover one’s ass while maintaining our idelogical bona-fides and those who represent them.

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  8. Well, I just read the report, as posted on the Rolling Stone website.

    I’m a little disappointed because it is written in journalistic-narrative style rather than an analytical style. But a few points jump out:

    1. The pseudonyms were concocted by Rolling Stone, but all the details, including the glass table before the alleged rape, came from Jackie. (This from Sabrina’s contemporary notes.) So it no longer can be maintained that Sabrina made any of this up.

    2. It appears that Sabrina Rubin Erdely did most of this reporting over the phone, starting last summer, and didn’t even meet Jackie until September. I consider this poor practice. How can you assess the veracity of a person without a face to face?

    3. The attempts to get the names of her friends, the name of her assailant, and all the rest, were put to Jackie and no one else. Whenever SRE would press Jackie, Jackie would stop answering emails or phone calls, and then SRE and her editor would agree to let it go. This also pertains to the final requests in October to identify “Drew.”

    4. SRE was not able to get Jackie to give her the full name of “Drew” until after the story was published, and that Jackie didn’t know how to spell his name.

    5. SRE’s “due diligence” in terms of contacting the fraternity didn’t even start until October. All of these alternative avenues look like afterthoughts.

    6. The fact that Emily Renda and others had referenced this alleged gang rape in front of Congress or in other venues was taken by SRE and others as “proof” of the truth of the allegation. From little acorns …….

    It seems clear to me that Rolling Stone just wanted to write a splashy story on sexual assault and agreed to put elemental standards aside for fear of losing their big story and for fear of losing their star “witness.” That should have set off all kinds of alarms.

    I also have to say that SRE did not do due diligence on FB or other social media. I mean, I am hardly that conversant with these media, but even I was able to find out things.

    Otherwise, there’s nothing new in the report. I think SRE used lax procedures (not critical, not face to face), I think RS abandoned basic standards to get the story out there. But we already knew all of that. If there’s anything new in the story it is that Jackie is responsible for all of the details, and demonstrates conduct that could easily be characterized as mendacious and manipulative. But we already ……

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    The fact that Emily Renda and others had referenced this alleged gang rape in front of Congress or in other venues was taken by SRE and others as “proof” of the truth of the allegation. From little acorns …….
     
    Renda is no little acorn, she's Deep Throat.
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  9. @colm
    ot. I think frank kaminski will crawl before coach k and his blacks , just like Gorden Hayward who deliberately missed his last shot and got no.9 at th drafts.

    kaminski is now around no.17. he will want a higher rank in the draft and coach k has a say over it.

    Nonsense, says this black man, or half-breed, if you will.

    BTW, Kaminsky will either maintain or raise his draft placement tomorrow night. (I love the fact that the stars on my team look like they could be starters on the 1962 Boston Celtics…lolzz.

    Destiny is a bitch, Coach K.

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    Nonsense, says this black man, or half-breed, if you will.

    BTW, Kaminsky will either maintain or raise his draft placement tomorrow night. (I love the fact that the stars on my team look like they could be starters on the 1962 Boston Celtics…lolzz.

    Destiny is a bitch, Coach K.
     

    Dude, what are you talking about? 1962 Celtics? What about the 1986 Championship-winning Boston Celtics?!

    Btw, Kaminsky's performance all but collapsed in the final stretch.

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  10. Come on. This is Rolling Stone magazine.

    Didn’t they continually publish some guy who did all his famous reporting while on drugs?

    Matt Taibbi or something. No wait it was William Greider. No not him either. I got it-it was Caroline Kennedy.

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    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    "Didn’t they continually publish some guy who did all his famous reporting while on drugs?"

    Hunter S. Thompson is the guy you are thinking of.

    You can read the first parts of his articles here:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/contributor/hunter-s-thompson

    Anyone doing creative work can get away with being out of their mind on drugs, as long as their content is still good. Rush Limbaugh was still rocking the golden mic while doped up on Oxy and Stephen King doesn't even remember writing Cujo. If it turned out that Steve was a drug fiend I wouldn't really care, as long as he was still putting out quality posts. As someone who was a former addict, I can tell you that a functioning addict is a very real thing.

    I would go read some of his work. If anything it is entertaining.
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  11. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Jewishness means never having to say you’re sorry.

    Maybe NYT should rehire Jayson Blair.

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  12. I see Renda is the type who likes to Instagram herself inside the White House– not as a tourist, either. Get them hooked when they’re young & hungry.

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  13. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    I hear Haven Monahan is hiding in Syria building WMD for Assad.

    Time to invade Syria.

    As for Edward Snowden who revealed the truth…

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  14. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Maybe Rick Sanchez can track down Haven Monahan, regain respect, and be re-hired by the mass media.

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  15. Erdely, in her apology, makes no mention of the fact that the false allegations she published led campus vigilantes to terrorize other students out of their on-campus housing.

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    Exactly. Sabrina apologizes to everyone except the people she's actually damaged. And there are many.
    , @GW
    Yup. The innocent men whose fraternity was unjustly smeared and the innocent overwhelmingly blond UVa students whose university was hysterically described as part of rape culture were not apologized to. Nicole Eramo also isn't worthy of an apology either apparently.

    The lack of shame on the part of RS is amazing.

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  16. I wonder if T. Rees Shapiro at the Washington Post, who’s done the best reporting on this case in the MSM, has any plans to write a book?

    Oddly, Haven doesn’t rate a mention in Shapiro’s piece on the Columbia post-mortem either:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/inquiry-of-rolling-stone-u-va-rape-story-finds-series-of-journalistic-lapses/2015/04/05/666e3932-c8de-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html

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  17. And doesn’t even have the courage or grace to apologize to the overwhelmingly blond men she defamed! I think the apology was written by her or RS’s lawyers.

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  18. Ms. Renda, who was interviewed for the Columbia report, offered another reason that she felt the Rolling Stone article was flawed: The magazine was drawn toward the most extreme story of a campus rape it could find.

    There’s a story hidden in that passive voice that could make an enterprising young journalist’s career.

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  19. Seeing as Mlle. Renda — U. Va. ’11, Feminist Media HOF ’14, future aide to Sen. Gillibrand or Pres. Rodham or Angelina Jolie — wrote a Huffington article that began with a trigger warning (“This post contains depictions[sic] of sexual violence”), could we get an updated disclaimer prefixed to her next story? Something along the lines of, “Note: This activist has plumped for fake-but-accurate lynch mobs in the past and just might have the requisite brazenness to pull something again”

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  20. @SPMoore8
    Well, I just read the report, as posted on the Rolling Stone website.

    I'm a little disappointed because it is written in journalistic-narrative style rather than an analytical style. But a few points jump out:

    1. The pseudonyms were concocted by Rolling Stone, but all the details, including the glass table before the alleged rape, came from Jackie. (This from Sabrina's contemporary notes.) So it no longer can be maintained that Sabrina made any of this up.

    2. It appears that Sabrina Rubin Erdely did most of this reporting over the phone, starting last summer, and didn't even meet Jackie until September. I consider this poor practice. How can you assess the veracity of a person without a face to face?

    3. The attempts to get the names of her friends, the name of her assailant, and all the rest, were put to Jackie and no one else. Whenever SRE would press Jackie, Jackie would stop answering emails or phone calls, and then SRE and her editor would agree to let it go. This also pertains to the final requests in October to identify "Drew."

    4. SRE was not able to get Jackie to give her the full name of "Drew" until after the story was published, and that Jackie didn't know how to spell his name.

    5. SRE's "due diligence" in terms of contacting the fraternity didn't even start until October. All of these alternative avenues look like afterthoughts.

    6. The fact that Emily Renda and others had referenced this alleged gang rape in front of Congress or in other venues was taken by SRE and others as "proof" of the truth of the allegation. From little acorns .......

    It seems clear to me that Rolling Stone just wanted to write a splashy story on sexual assault and agreed to put elemental standards aside for fear of losing their big story and for fear of losing their star "witness." That should have set off all kinds of alarms.

    I also have to say that SRE did not do due diligence on FB or other social media. I mean, I am hardly that conversant with these media, but even I was able to find out things.

    Otherwise, there's nothing new in the report. I think SRE used lax procedures (not critical, not face to face), I think RS abandoned basic standards to get the story out there. But we already knew all of that. If there's anything new in the story it is that Jackie is responsible for all of the details, and demonstrates conduct that could easily be characterized as mendacious and manipulative. But we already ......

    The fact that Emily Renda and others had referenced this alleged gang rape in front of Congress or in other venues was taken by SRE and others as “proof” of the truth of the allegation. From little acorns …….

    Renda is no little acorn, she’s Deep Throat.

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  21. Back to giving Yoko albums five star reviews ( such a talent!).

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    Yoko.

    http://youtu.be/d5zO6t_RZdc
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  22. @Anonymous
    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?

    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.
    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?

    As a journalist or entertainer or actor, you really have to promote the propaganda of the elite if you want to be rewarded by the elite. The elite control us partly through propaganda. If you want to be rewarded by the elite, help them control us by pushing their propaganda for them.

    Putting women on a pedestal, removing sex from the workplace, making males afraid to use their sexuality, all these things help women compete against men in the workplace. That increases the supply of labor and the supply of consumers, which increases corporate profits.

    Help the elite! Help them spread their profit-enhancing propaganda, and you will be amply rewarded!

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    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    Excellent points. Let me take them a step further.

    Creating fear of men, specifically the most educated men who are the least likely to rape, is a way feminists are unwittingly playing into the "prison planet" mentality of the elites. How long until men are made to wear tracking bracelets or implanted chips in the name of "women's safety."

    Or how long until there is some sort of mandatory "salt peter" pill men are made to take for the "greater good." The female-dominated school system already has boys doped out on Ritalin to keep their male proclivities down. Expect this to trickle up to college males pretty soon.

    You don't think this could happen? It could. In much the way colleges say they're allowed to clamp down on free speech because they're independent entities, not the government, they could also say "You don't come on our campus as a male unless you're wearing a tracking bracelet and taking this pill." This would be totally legal, as far as I can see.

    There's more to it than that, though. Violent crime has fallen considerably since the 1970s. If the media lets on about that, then thousands of women will lose their government-created jobs and grants related to the alleged "rape culture." So they come up with unprovable concepts like "most rapes are never reported!"

    How do you prove that? You don't, but it's just the sort of thing that plays into the hands of the elites...see part one of my post as we loop back in this dystopian "Shadow Play" scenario...

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  23. Actually she just graduated this year (she says she was raped as a frosh in 2011). Hopefully the C-SPAN guest-starring gig works out for her, because she doesn’t have much of a knack for “narrative journalism,” methinks– try to read this one w/o falling asleep:

    http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2014/03/renda-unreasonable-risk

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  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As was said regarding the lies of Stephen Jay Gould, at least her untruths were “on the side of the angels.”

    What really happens isn’t important, what’s important is what people think is happening: most rapes are by blonde college boys, most murders of blacks are by racist white law enforcement, and any evidence of cognitive differences between races has been debunked. Most people believe all that already due to skewed reporting and an intentionally misleading distribution of roles in fictional media. Occasionally a Sabrina Rubin Erdely is called out for an extreme overreach — but still it was the crime of an angel, and therefore less objectionable to anything a racist, sexist devil could do on his best of days.

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  25. Does anyone own the rights to “Haven Monahan?”

    Tee shirts, novel, BBC series?

    Is the Kentucky guard facing expulsion? (Justified ridicule to follow question 1,2,3…)

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  26. @Peter
    Erdely, in her apology, makes no mention of the fact that the false allegations she published led campus vigilantes to terrorize other students out of their on-campus housing.

    Exactly. Sabrina apologizes to everyone except the people she’s actually damaged. And there are many.

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  27. So Rolling Stone got the CJS to write a “we wuz had” compendium of whining, false naivete, and legalistic double talk.

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  28. GW says:
    @Peter
    Erdely, in her apology, makes no mention of the fact that the false allegations she published led campus vigilantes to terrorize other students out of their on-campus housing.

    Yup. The innocent men whose fraternity was unjustly smeared and the innocent overwhelmingly blond UVa students whose university was hysterically described as part of rape culture were not apologized to. Nicole Eramo also isn’t worthy of an apology either apparently.

    The lack of shame on the part of RS is amazing.

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  29. There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.

    What about emotional or mental rape?

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    You raise a good point. Let's follow it to its conclusion.

    What about imaginary rape?

    An imaginary rape epidemic is sweeping over America. Every day - and especially night - thousands of strong independent women are dreaming of being raped by vicious cisgendered (did I get the term and the spelling right?) men. Some of those men are black, some blond, some blue; and some undead.
    Measures must be taken! This tsunami of imaginary rape must be dammed!

    The problem is tricky. A legislator's first instinct would be to ban sleep. But the careful observer will note that the proposed solution is unsatisfactory. For banning sleep would not prevent the poor victims of imaginary rape from daydreaming. Yes, the problem is a complicated one indeed. More research is needed.
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  30. The magazine was drawn toward the most extreme story of a campus rape it could find. The more nuanced accounts, she suggested, seemed somehow “not real enough to stand for rape culture. And that is part of the problem.”

    I’m not up-to-date on PC terminology — is “nuanced” the new word for “melanin-heavy”?

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    Actually, in this case I take "more nuanced accounts" to refer to all the "rapes" that were consensual sex until the guy stopped calling a few months later, like that Jewish girl carrying the mattress around at Columbia. Or a freshman girl who goes to a party, has a few beers, and is swept off her feet by the quarterback of the football team, but discovers a few days later that he's actually the third-string quarterback.

    The accounts involving real rapes by blacks aren't "nuanced". In Renda and Ederley's world, they simply don't exist .
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  31. @Anonymous
    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?

    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status?

    It’s ethnopolitics.

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  32. @Blobby5
    Back to giving Yoko albums five star reviews ( such a talent!).
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  33. Well, I can’t say I’m much surprised that this partial mea culpa was released Easter Weekend.

    After all, it was just too long to wait until New Year’s Even…

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  34. This is a bit like Duke Lacrosse — but with Nifong keeping his job as D.A.

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  35. @anony-mouse
    Come on. This is Rolling Stone magazine.

    Didn't they continually publish some guy who did all his famous reporting while on drugs?

    Matt Taibbi or something. No wait it was William Greider. No not him either. I got it-it was Caroline Kennedy.

    “Didn’t they continually publish some guy who did all his famous reporting while on drugs?”

    Hunter S. Thompson is the guy you are thinking of.

    You can read the first parts of his articles here:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/contributor/hunter-s-thompson

    Anyone doing creative work can get away with being out of their mind on drugs, as long as their content is still good. Rush Limbaugh was still rocking the golden mic while doped up on Oxy and Stephen King doesn’t even remember writing Cujo. If it turned out that Steve was a drug fiend I wouldn’t really care, as long as he was still putting out quality posts. As someone who was a former addict, I can tell you that a functioning addict is a very real thing.

    I would go read some of his work. If anything it is entertaining.

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  36. @WowJustWow

    The magazine was drawn toward the most extreme story of a campus rape it could find. The more nuanced accounts, she suggested, seemed somehow “not real enough to stand for rape culture. And that is part of the problem.”
     
    I'm not up-to-date on PC terminology -- is "nuanced" the new word for "melanin-heavy"?

    Actually, in this case I take “more nuanced accounts” to refer to all the “rapes” that were consensual sex until the guy stopped calling a few months later, like that Jewish girl carrying the mattress around at Columbia. Or a freshman girl who goes to a party, has a few beers, and is swept off her feet by the quarterback of the football team, but discovers a few days later that he’s actually the third-string quarterback.

    The accounts involving real rapes by blacks aren’t “nuanced”. In Renda and Ederley’s world, they simply don’t exist .

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    Mattress girl is also half-Asian.

    Katie McHugh tweeted a link to a horrific, real rape of another Columbia student a while back: http://t.co/Ck2Cp8yKgT

    It's amazing how much attention Sulkowitz's non-rape got versus that one.
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  37. Erdely and Rolling Stone still have not apologized for another rape story that led to tragic and grave consequences: http://www.newsweek.com/another-rolling-stone-rape-article-has-major-holes-291257

    Four men—three priests and a school teacher went to jail because of Billy’s allegations, and one of those men, Engelhardt, died in prison on November 15, a couple weeks after his lawyers were in appeals court, arguing that he deserved a new trial. The priest, according to his superior, Father James J. Greenfield, spent his last hours handcuffed to a hospital bed guarded by two armed corrections officers.

    And, of course, neither has a possible source in that story, Erdely’s own husband: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/rolling-stone-magazine-has-often-thrived-on-controversy-is-this-time-different/2014/12/12/b92c5974-8171-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

    What’s more, the author of the story, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, never mentioned a personal fact: At the time she was reporting Billy’s story, her husband was winding down his career as a prosecutor in the Philadelphia district attorney’s office, which was prosecuting the defendants in the case. (A Rolling Stone spokeswoman, Melissa Bruno, said Peter Erdely’s work in the DA’s office didn’t pose a conflict of interest because he wasn’t part of the unit trying the men.)

    But, hey, the Catholic Church is evil, and smiting evil-doers is the most important thing, so it’s all fine, right?

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  38. So, basically, as long as they adhere to the party line, the people at the top are immune to consequences no matter how catastrophic their errors are.

    That’s a recipe for disaster.

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  39. @Anonymous

    There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.
     
    What about emotional or mental rape?

    You raise a good point. Let’s follow it to its conclusion.

    What about imaginary rape?

    An imaginary rape epidemic is sweeping over America. Every day – and especially night – thousands of strong independent women are dreaming of being raped by vicious cisgendered (did I get the term and the spelling right?) men. Some of those men are black, some blond, some blue; and some undead.
    Measures must be taken! This tsunami of imaginary rape must be dammed!

    The problem is tricky. A legislator’s first instinct would be to ban sleep. But the careful observer will note that the proposed solution is unsatisfactory. For banning sleep would not prevent the poor victims of imaginary rape from daydreaming. Yes, the problem is a complicated one indeed. More research is needed.

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  40. The Columbia School of Journalism should have included in its article a professional opinion on the issue of libel.

    Does the negligence of The Rolling Stone in publishing this article justify a legal verdict that the magazine libeled the fraternity?

    If so, then how many millions of dollars should the magazine offer to the fraternity to compensate for the libel?

    The education of future journalists should include education about libel and its consequences. The Columbia School of Journalism, in its preeminence, should have used this opportunity to educate the journalism profession and the general public about the important issue of journalistic libel committed against innocent individuals and institutions.

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  41. Emily Renda….

    Emily Renda…

    Emily Renda….

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  42. “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” -Heraclitus

    Dime a dozen gossip writers. If nobody brings them back it will cut down on waste in the payroll department. They need more targets.

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    “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” -Heraclitus
     
    I guarantee this is not from Heraclitus.
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  43. “Unlike really horrible people who lose their jobs for telling the truth like Jason Richwine and James D. Watson”

    Or Razib Khan! It seems a little strange that you never said one word about the Razib incident. Although Razib seemed embarrassed by the attention, so maybe you were being polite.

    “There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.”

    Still inadequate. The evidence is clear that Jackie was not raped.

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  44. @leftist conservative

    It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.
    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?
     
    As a journalist or entertainer or actor, you really have to promote the propaganda of the elite if you want to be rewarded by the elite. The elite control us partly through propaganda. If you want to be rewarded by the elite, help them control us by pushing their propaganda for them.

    Putting women on a pedestal, removing sex from the workplace, making males afraid to use their sexuality, all these things help women compete against men in the workplace. That increases the supply of labor and the supply of consumers, which increases corporate profits.

    Help the elite! Help them spread their profit-enhancing propaganda, and you will be amply rewarded!

    Excellent points. Let me take them a step further.

    Creating fear of men, specifically the most educated men who are the least likely to rape, is a way feminists are unwittingly playing into the “prison planet” mentality of the elites. How long until men are made to wear tracking bracelets or implanted chips in the name of “women’s safety.”

    Or how long until there is some sort of mandatory “salt peter” pill men are made to take for the “greater good.” The female-dominated school system already has boys doped out on Ritalin to keep their male proclivities down. Expect this to trickle up to college males pretty soon.

    You don’t think this could happen? It could. In much the way colleges say they’re allowed to clamp down on free speech because they’re independent entities, not the government, they could also say “You don’t come on our campus as a male unless you’re wearing a tracking bracelet and taking this pill.” This would be totally legal, as far as I can see.

    There’s more to it than that, though. Violent crime has fallen considerably since the 1970s. If the media lets on about that, then thousands of women will lose their government-created jobs and grants related to the alleged “rape culture.” So they come up with unprovable concepts like “most rapes are never reported!”

    How do you prove that? You don’t, but it’s just the sort of thing that plays into the hands of the elites…see part one of my post as we loop back in this dystopian “Shadow Play” scenario…

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  45. @rustbeltreader
    "Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -Heraclitus

    Dime a dozen gossip writers. If nobody brings them back it will cut down on waste in the payroll department. They need more targets.

    “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” -Heraclitus

    I guarantee this is not from Heraclitus.

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    It's a great quote, but t would make more sense if attributed to Sun Tzu or some Roman general. It doesn't make much sense coming from Heraclitus.
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  46. This has nothing to do with crafting fear of men in a generalized RooshV sense (who no longer cares about the fate of white males by his own admission…thus making it odd that he pretends to care about males at all)

    This has everything to do with…

    -Blonde Gentiles Are Nazi Rapists!
    - Jews
    - As Steve said, ignore Hannah Graham and focus on the blonde gentile nazi rapists
    - Destroying the right of white college students to self-associate in frats

    By constantly villainizing Blonde Gentile Men…you aren’t making women afraid of them. No, because every woman in the world wants to fuck a blonde guy. Including myself. No, what you are doing is making the Blonde Gentile Men Afraid to Be Themselves.

    And it works, because the blonde nordic men that I know who can’t handle all this shit have all married non-white women and now have nice little hispanic looking kids with shit IQs. Why? Why? Because they were too ashamed to be themselves so they made sure that the Blonde Gentile Shame of Blood didn’t get passed down to their kids.

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  47. @gruff

    “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” -Heraclitus
     
    I guarantee this is not from Heraclitus.

    It’s a great quote, but t would make more sense if attributed to Sun Tzu or some Roman general. It doesn’t make much sense coming from Heraclitus.

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    Many witnesses gave false testimony under oath to the grand jury in the Ferguson grand jury. In practically all those cases, the witnesses said falsely that Brown was killed while standing and trying to surrender. The US Department of Justice report pointed this out and dismissed all those witnesses as unreliable and useless in any potential trial of Darren Wilson.

    Unfortunately none of those many witnesses were indicted for perjury.

    The most prominent witnesses who escaped perjury trials were Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw and Tiffany Mitchell -- all of whom told the mass media many times that Brown was killed in the same place where he stopped running and turned around to face Darren Wilson.
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  49. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Actually, in this case I take "more nuanced accounts" to refer to all the "rapes" that were consensual sex until the guy stopped calling a few months later, like that Jewish girl carrying the mattress around at Columbia. Or a freshman girl who goes to a party, has a few beers, and is swept off her feet by the quarterback of the football team, but discovers a few days later that he's actually the third-string quarterback.

    The accounts involving real rapes by blacks aren't "nuanced". In Renda and Ederley's world, they simply don't exist .

    Mattress girl is also half-Asian.

    Katie McHugh tweeted a link to a horrific, real rape of another Columbia student a while back: http://t.co/Ck2Cp8yKgT

    It’s amazing how much attention Sulkowitz’s non-rape got versus that one.

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  50. Let’s not be too harsh on poor Sabrina. She was just doing her job, namely propaganda.
    Hell, she fully deserves the Pulitzer Prize, right after they rename the award the Duranty Prize.

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  51. There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.

    Like that matters!

    A video of someone interviewing students on the UVa campus. Watch it up until the 2nd young woman — not unattractive, wearing a kind of beige coat/sweater. Her take? The retraction shows that the people involved with the article have ‘poor journalism skills’, but the whole mess ‘did not make her believe Jackie any less’.

    There you have it — the rot runs pretty deep.

    I also note that the publisher of Rolling Stone, Jann Wenner, is Jewish — he’s the guy who presumably decided that no real disciplinary action would be taken against Erdely, who of course is also a Jew.

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    The key is not that she's Jewish. It's that she moves the ball down the field for the left. The left never apologizes or shows accountability. They just turn the anger on their enemies and move forward.

    Until conservatives do the same, we will keep losing.
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  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nikcrit
    Nonsense, says this black man, or half-breed, if you will.

    BTW, Kaminsky will either maintain or raise his draft placement tomorrow night. (I love the fact that the stars on my team look like they could be starters on the 1962 Boston Celtics...lolzz.

    Destiny is a bitch, Coach K.

    Nonsense, says this black man, or half-breed, if you will.

    BTW, Kaminsky will either maintain or raise his draft placement tomorrow night. (I love the fact that the stars on my team look like they could be starters on the 1962 Boston Celtics…lolzz.

    Destiny is a bitch, Coach K.

    Dude, what are you talking about? 1962 Celtics? What about the 1986 Championship-winning Boston Celtics?!

    Btw, Kaminsky’s performance all but collapsed in the final stretch.

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  53. @eah

    Many witnesses gave false testimony under oath to the grand jury in the Ferguson grand jury. In practically all those cases, the witnesses said falsely that Brown was killed while standing and trying to surrender. The US Department of Justice report pointed this out and dismissed all those witnesses as unreliable and useless in any potential trial of Darren Wilson.

    Unfortunately none of those many witnesses were indicted for perjury.

    The most prominent witnesses who escaped perjury trials were Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw and Tiffany Mitchell — all of whom told the mass media many times that Brown was killed in the same place where he stopped running and turned around to face Darren Wilson.

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    "lying witnesses"

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/darren-wilson/ferguson-perjuryfest-786930

    What a crew .
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  54. @eah
    There’s zero evidence Jackie was a rape victim.

    Like that matters!

    A video of someone interviewing students on the UVa campus. Watch it up until the 2nd young woman -- not unattractive, wearing a kind of beige coat/sweater. Her take? The retraction shows that the people involved with the article have 'poor journalism skills', but the whole mess 'did not make her believe Jackie any less'.

    There you have it -- the rot runs pretty deep.

    I also note that the publisher of Rolling Stone, Jann Wenner, is Jewish -- he's the guy who presumably decided that no real disciplinary action would be taken against Erdely, who of course is also a Jew.

    The key is not that she’s Jewish. It’s that she moves the ball down the field for the left. The left never apologizes or shows accountability. They just turn the anger on their enemies and move forward.

    Until conservatives do the same, we will keep losing.

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  55. Hey, there are only so many of the Chosen Ones to go around. You have to forgive one who, say, is a “journalist” and creates one of the biggest hoaxes in world history.

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  56. It must be so odd to be living in the real world, while strenuously promoting a fantasy world as reality.

    Do they do it for the money, the fame, status? What clicks in their minds, and allows them to willingly deceive their fellow citizens?

    I tend to avoid these mind-reading questions. They lead to speculation and nothing falsifiable, and lipstick on a pig that never changes the results we see on the ground. But I will say that living in reality is an odd way to characterize liberals. They do a fine job of avoiding reality and sealing themselves off from it very thoroughly. Aggressively, even. Which would seem an important skill when one is out to create a narrative spun of rainbows.

    It surprised me Wenner criticized the co-ed but headed off any questions of disciplining his staff. Maybe in this era of media consumption a policy of smear-first-ask-questions-later doesn’t bother the readers. Of course the position of the local Charlottesville franchisees for Rape Culture Strategies LLP is to stay totally shameless and unabashed.

    It’s fine by me. Another liberal fishwrap is outed as a joke with zero credibility.

    Erdely, in her apology, makes no mention of the fact that the false allegations she published led campus vigilantes to terrorize other students out of their on-campus housing.

    Because she’s a Jew, and Jews are so very conscious of the dangers of whipping up mobs and turning them loose on innocent minorities.

    Or not.

    How long until men are made to wear tracking bracelets or implanted chips in the name of “women’s safety.”

    That would make it much easier to catch NAM criminals. Bad idea.

    Or how long until there is some sort of mandatory “salt peter” pill men are made to take for the “greater good.” The female-dominated school system already has boys doped out on Ritalin to keep their male proclivities down. Expect this to trickle up to college males pretty soon.

    If they can find some way to leave everyone but white men of purely European descent out of it, sure.

    You don’t think this could happen? It could. In much the way colleges say they’re allowed to clamp down on free speech because they’re independent entities, not the government, they could also say “You don’t come on our campus as a male unless you’re wearing a tracking bracelet and taking this pill.” This would be totally legal, as far as I can see.

    And the data would show NAMs on campus to be the worst, and the plan would be immediately scrapped.

    Let’s not be too harsh on poor Sabrina. She was just doing her job, namely propaganda.
    Hell, she fully deserves the Pulitzer Prize, right after they rename the award the Duranty Prize.

    What a fine idea. If they renamed it the Duranty Prize, I could cheer on the winners in earnest.

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  57. So, Rolling Stone published the delusions and yarns of a troubled girl with no effort at due diligence…and it’s all the fruitcake’s fault?

    All yellow journalism has to do is source from the mentally ill, now?

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  58. Read between the lines of the Columbia report. The story got printed because Wenner wanted it printed. He’s the one who pushed for author and editors to wrap things up and get the story into shape, doubts be damned.

    Wenner figured that narrative would triumph over detail. Hadn’t he turned poor little Dzhokhar Tsarnaev into a dreamy pin up and poster boy for victimization with nary a squeak from the Comedia? Sure, there would be some wailing from the barbarians on the Right, but the People-That-Matter would close ranks. Wenner probably saw a Pulitzer in the offing.

    Unfortunately for Wenner, UVA is not Liberty University. Charlottesville is the Cambridge of the South. UVA graduates, in the main, good liberals who go on to populate the Govt/Media complex. WaPo staffers, some of whom may be members of the accused fraternity, and who failed to remember the rape parties during Pledge Week, were probably outraged. It was only a matter of time before the heavy hitters tore this story apart.

    This is why no-one was fired; it all falls on Wenner.

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  59. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Ultimately, we were too deferential to our rape victim.

    Curious word, "our". Would have enjoyed hearing his tone of voice as he said it, or am I the only one struck by him saying that?

    I think this indicates the story was conceived before facts were found. “Our” means the “rape victim” they drummed up to fit into their pre-conceived article.

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  60. I just watched the classic episode of the Simpsons where Homer gets accused of goosing the baby-sitter, and it blows up into an omni-present Zimmerman/Ferguson/UVA-rape media hate-frenzy.

    It all seemed true to current events, except at the end when Willy produces incontrovertible proof that Homer didn’t do it. The baby-sitter apologizes and the media offers a quick retraction and moves on. Today the media would just press forward and shift the focus to some other excavated dirt on Homer and pretend like that was The Real Issue all along. Meanwhile Eric Holder would launch a phony open-ended federal investigation of Willy’s evidence, so that the mobilized fringes can stay angry and doubt the facts in perpetuity.

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  61. @Mike Sylwester
    Many witnesses gave false testimony under oath to the grand jury in the Ferguson grand jury. In practically all those cases, the witnesses said falsely that Brown was killed while standing and trying to surrender. The US Department of Justice report pointed this out and dismissed all those witnesses as unreliable and useless in any potential trial of Darren Wilson.

    Unfortunately none of those many witnesses were indicted for perjury.

    The most prominent witnesses who escaped perjury trials were Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw and Tiffany Mitchell -- all of whom told the mass media many times that Brown was killed in the same place where he stopped running and turned around to face Darren Wilson.
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  62. “In the long term I don’t think people are going to look back at this story and say, This is why women are not coming forward,” Mr. Dana said. “At the same time it’s certainly not helping things immediately.”

    Of course the problem is that girls will be prevented from coming forward, not, that guys are falsely accused of rape.


    “The more nuanced accounts, she suggested, seemed somehow “not real enough to stand for rape culture. And that is part of the problem.””

    Not enough rape culture sure is a big problem (for those who get paid to look for it)

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