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From the New York Times:

Trump Officials Plan to Rescind Obama-Era School Discipline Policies

By Erica L. Green and Katie Benner
Dec. 17, 2018

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is planning to roll back Obama-era policies aimed at ensuring that minority children are not unfairly disciplined, arguing that the efforts have eased up on punishment and contributed to rising violence in the nation’s schools, according to documents obtained by The New York Times.

The Education and Justice Departments plan to send a joint letter this week announcing the rescinding of policy statements dating to 2014, according to a draft letter signed by Kenneth L. Marcus, the Education Department’s head of civil rights, and Eric S. Dreiband, assistant attorney general for civil rights.

The 2014 Obama policy advised schools on how to dole out discipline in a nondiscriminatory manner and examine education data to look for racial disparities that could flag a federal civil rights violation. Though the guidance is nonbinding, critics have argued that the edict pressured districts to keep suspensions low at the expense of student safety.

This is a classic Late Obama Age Collapse policy. Did anybody ever ask Obama if he believed his own Administration that the problem in the public schools was too much discipline? Not that Obama ever sent his kids anywhere near a public school …

The commission’s report argues in favor of narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to combat discrimination in the nation’s schools by rejecting “disparate impact theory,” which holds that seemingly neutral policies can harm certain racial groups. That was the underpinning for the Obama administration’s disciplinary policies.

Instead, the panel will hold, the administration will act on evidence of explicit discrimination, not just statistics that indicate one group may be failing or falling behind. …

The report referred to two Supreme Court rulings, one in 1978 and another in 2001, that affirmed that Title VI extended only to intentional discrimination.

In undermining court rulings, the commission said the Obama administration “gave schools a perverse incentive to make discipline rates proportional to enrollment figures, regardless of the appropriateness of discipline for any specific instance of misconduct.”

The Obama-era guidelines were released when federal data showed that black students were three times as likely to be suspended or expelled, and black and Hispanic students made up more than half of the nation’s school-related arrests and referrals. In the nearly half-decade since the guidelines were issued, those numbers have not improved.

Obama administration officials wrote in 2014 that discipline rates may be caused by a range of factors but that they could not be explained solely “by more frequent or more serious misbehavior by students of color.”

“In short, racial discrimination in school discipline is a real problem,” they wrote.

According to the McArdle Rule, we may ask if it’s OK to ask if there might be some other reason than systemic white racism for why blacks and Hispanics get caught misbehaving more, but it’s Not OK to ask.

 
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  1. indocon says:

    Reading stories like this is making me even more irritated, talk about rearranging the chairs on the deck of titanic. President Kamala Harris will come in and mandate punishment quotas, then what. Why not Trump get his microphone and say exactly that?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    Not mentioned: the Parkland shooting was 100% preventable, but was brought about by Broward County Sherriff Scott Israel refusing to enforce the law regarding known problem child Nick Cruz so that he could Obamize his numbers in line with the Tolerate Minority Crime idea.
    The second and third paragraphs invoke Parkland as a gun control Pavlovism and not to clarify anything. They then flat out lie about black kids and guns in an irrelevant and obsessive nattering about the Evil White Male, meaningless given that we’re talking about Señor Cruz. An uninformed person foolish enough to believe the Orwellian Times comes away with exactly the opposite impression that facts would give:

    The decision culminates a nearly yearlong effort begun by the Trump administration after the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla (here would be a good place for my own first sentence, above). The deaths of 17 students and staff members on Feb. 14 prompted lawmakers in both parties to demand tougher gun laws (I guess Enemy of the Constitution Michael Bloomberg had just started to nap at the time), but after a brief flirtation with gun control, President Trump abandoned that focus and instead empowered a school safety commission, led by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos (Cue hissing — she doesn’t believe in the power of public schools).

    Almost immediately, the commission turned away from guns and instead scrutinized the Obama administration’s school discipline policies (Ahem. First sentence. Nick Cruz, known problem kid, given infinite passes by Scott Above The Law Israel. Post my first sentence and the mysterious mystery will end), though none of the most high-profile school shootings were perpetrated by black students (Indeed. Black school violence has sneakily concealed itself in the ghetto, making it invisible to Democrats) The commission’s focus was part of a broader effort to reject the previous administration’s race-conscious education efforts, which have included siding with Asian students suing Harvard to end affirmative action and delaying an Obama-era rule to prevent disproportionate numbers of minority children from being funneled into special education classes.

    Democracy dies in darkness and there is no shadow further from purifying sunlight than the lying press.

  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone who knows reality knows blacks are punished LESS than other students.

    If standards applied to white/Asian kids were applied to black kids, MANY MORE black ones would be suspended.

    Black rates are higher DESPITE the fact that teachers and deans are likely to easier on blacks.

    What has been unfair is that so much of black bad behavior has been overlooked.

    In my 4 yrs of public school, black kids got in trouble when they REALLY got out of line. Everyone else got in trouble for just getting out of line.

    • Replies: @Precious
  4. 1661er says:

    I guess arsonists in Oakland, California will now receive more than 5 days of supension as happened under Obama’s policy.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2013/0331/Restorative-justice-One-high-school-s-path-to-reducing-suspensions-by-half

    Meanwhile, she says, there’s still a problem with violence at Oakland High, where she’s been teaching since 1996. “There have been serious threats against teachers,” she says, noting that one student’s hair was even lit on fire. Administrators, she says, “don’t do the paperwork for [expulsion], so the kid gets a five-day suspension and [is] back.” (The student who lit the fire also received counseling, Rogers says.)

    For some reasons, Oakland had a problem of thugs setting people on fire during Obama adminstration.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/magazine/the-fire-on-the-57-bus-in-oakland.html

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  5. Maciano says:

    McArdle can go to hell.

  6. Wasn’t this an Arne Duncan production? How many bad ideas came from the gang of Chicago socialists who infested the Obama White House? I think the Broward schools chief is also from Chicago, by way of Jamaica. What a treasure he is.

    • Replies: @Anon
  7. As someone who taught in junior high schools and high schools for five years in the eighties, it’s literally incredible that anyone could deny the obvious reason for higher black suspension rates et al.

    Their behavior is worse than that of other groups — far worse. It’s absurd to pretend otherwise.

    The kicker is that I suspect everyone knows this perfectly well.

  8. BenKenobi says:

    The commission’s report argues in favor of narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to combat discrimination in the nation’s schools by rejecting “disparate impact theory”

    “They tug at the heart strings, and fog the mind.”
    – Kent Brockman

    • Replies: @Hail
  9. FPD72 says:

    My junior year in high school I was assaulted in the hallway by a black kid who just happened to come in second in the state in Golden Gloves. He got in a few head shots before I could close on him, get him into a full Nelson and scissors lock, and wait for a school official to intervene. Although there were numerous witnesses who could testify that he assaulted me, we were both suspended from school for a week.

    This was in 1967. It didn’t start with Obama.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  10. Blacks and Latinos don’t like the Man’s schools but are prone to not getting any education at all if they exercise their own educational preferences. I vote for encouraging a national love affair with extreme vocational education. Part of the problem is white guilt that those who don’t get traditional college degrees aren’t as upwardly mobile. Public education should focus on work readiness rather than status. I mean it’s public school anyway. What’s with the delusional amount of pretentiousness?

  11. The 2014 Obama policy advised schools on how to dole out discipline in a nondiscriminatory manner

    One of my favorite things about “Fake News” or “New Journalism” (your pick) is that words now mean pretty much the opposite of what they used to mean.

  12. Precious says:
    @Anon

    In my 4 yrs of public school, black kids got in trouble when they REALLY got out of line. Everyone else got in trouble for just getting out of line.

    The problem is that a white or Asian “out of line” is still within the black line. Blacks just draw the line farther out.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  13. Eric says:

    Ok. I totally don’t get your “ask” circumlocution. Could someone translate?

  14. Hail says: • Website
    @BenKenobi

    fog the mind

    Isn’t the entire point, conceptually, of Disparate Impact that there is no “discrimination” mechanism but Blacks and Browns are hardest hit anyway?

    A dishonest sentence:

    narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to combat discrimination in the nation’s schools by rejecting “disparate impact theory”

    By Erica L. Green and Katie Benner

    Which one you is responsible for this.

    Erica L. Green

    Katie Benner

    Bet you didn’t see those faces coming.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @JimB
    , @L Woods
    , @Anon
  15. AndrewR says:
    @Colin Wright

    Anti-white dogma is predicated on the premise that whites are fully responsible for any unpleasant consequences that may happen to minorities as individuals or groups.

  16. @Hail

    People like this are beginning to rule over us.
    What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @Hail
  17. @J.Ross

    I think we know why the NYT would specifically avoid criticism of Sheriff Israel.

  18. According to the McArdle Rule,…

    It sounds like Megan McArdle is suggesting Noah Carl avail himself of the Major Major* clause. It is from Joseph Heller’s Catch 22. The bomber group felt it too problematic to have parades in the middle of a high-attrition bombing campaign out of Malta. Major Major Major, however, was a new staff officer, and had nothing better to do than to plan parades. He was told he could not do that, but to make him feel better, he could cancel parades that were never planned. A note appeared on bulletin boards around the base: “Due to circumstances beyond our control, Saturday’s parade has been cancelled.”

    So, Dr. Carl would be welcome to retract any yet-unwritten articles about race and IQ, if that would make him happy. He could mention race and IQ as much as he wants in his wordy retractions. It’s a win/win.

    * Look, they even have the same initials, MM.

  19. @FPD72

    “Self-defense just makes things worse” is an old imbecility.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. @miss marple

    Because your proposal might cause “Shoah 2: Forced To Attend A State University” among people who think their kid has to go to an Ivy, otherwise they’ll be a failure.

  21. anonymous[653] • Disclaimer says:

    The Obama ‘restorative justice’ and ‘disparate impact’ policies really hit the Chicago public school system badly, making it impossible to do anything about chronic troublemakers. All they had to do was to say they were sorry and then went on their merry way continuing to disrupt everyone else’s school experience. Being a teacher just became an undesireable career choice for anyone foolish enough to even consider it. They can’t overturn Obama-era nonsense quick enough in order to restore sanity.

  22. While we’re at it, let’s roll back to corporal punishment, liberally applied.

  23. Tiny Duck says:

    People of Color all agree that white men are the root problem.

    That tells you something right there.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @fish
    , @MBlanc46
  24. johnd says: • Website

    end it dont mend it..

  25. @Redneck farmer

    AGREED.

    I also never saw the logic in “it doesn’t matter who started it!”. That’s more imbecility, as it sure did matter. Nowadays, anyone defending himself in lower education in America will get the same punishment as the guy who started it. It’s just another way to indoctrinate the kids into the modern world order.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  26. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    I would lay off the triumphalism over these rollbacks. All it means is that the federal government is not enforcing this stuff (same as with Title IX, gender rule, and trans toilet rollbacks).

    The school districts are infested with SJW administrators and some teachers who are able to make their own rules unless there is some sort of court order prohibiting it, and even then they will work around it. I dare say, this stuff is close to gay marriage in the degree to which the battle is over.

    My only hope is that something out of left field happens to wake people up and get them radicalized despite the reluctance to be called —–ist and be harrassed online and in person. The tranny sports stuff just might be a possible cog in that transformation after it progresses a little further, since a situation where the top three finishers in every single girls’ sports event are trannies will start to piss people off, mothers and fathers of crying girls whose dreams are smashed, whatever the parents’ political persuasion. Their anger may not be directly directed at tranny sports, but it may redirect itself to elections.

  27. dearieme says:

    “Not that Obama ever sent his kids anywhere near a public school …”: that’s the key sentence.

  28. Ed says:

    This is one of the stories that highlights how ineffective Republicans are at campaigning. If Trump is a problem for a potential voter you inform them of what happens when the other side gets in. Trump’s twitter outbursts are nothing compared to a Dept of Ed staffed with liberal true-believers who will stop at nothing to ruin your kids schools. You explain that to these nice white suburban ladies and I bet you more than a few will cast their vote for GOP.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  29. @Colin Wright

    The kicker is that I suspect everyone knows this perfectly well.

    I don’t think so, it’s only us misfortunates who have spent significant time immersed in or surrounded by negroes who truly understand what nature has done insofar as black:white behavioral differences. You’ll not find racial egalitarians in Livonia Michigan (although you will find union member socialists). The egalitarians live in Bloomfield Hills or Northville where the only negroes are employed as service workers and are on their best behavior. This is consistent everywhere.

    For the correct immune response one needs to be exposed to the disease.

  30. I am shocked Steve… Shocked. Who knew that all those liberal educators were so racist!!!Punishing young scholars of color in such a predatory fashion!! Academia and its progeny, elementary school teachers are what… 90 percent liberal? Or is it more now? Who would have thought that ol Massa Jim Crow beats in their hearts?

    • Replies: @densa
  31. The black kids in Dayton, Ohio who graduated (about a 50 percent rate) from the city public school system (ranked annually at the very bottom of the Ohio public schools, which is sort of an achievement in itself considering the competition from Cleveland, Toledo, etc.) would enroll at the local open-enrollment university, Wright State. To get them to graduation WSU created a major — “Organizational Leadership” (run appropriately by the education college) that would move them through and keep their tuition flowing in without them having to know how to read, write, or compute. Those who made it through were proud holders of a high school diploma, a BS (no pun intended) degree, fully functional illiterates unaware that they had been swindled by the good whites who run the corrupt system K-12 through BS.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  32. @Ed

    That all makes sense, Ed, but I think you credit women with having too much logic vs. emotion. All they have to hear is one ridiculous overblown rant from someone in a position of authority, say head of the PTO, aka PTA, or school principle or guidance councilor about how “Trump is bad, mmmkayy?”, and they won’t listen to any logic.

    I’ve seen this in action, Ed. You may have a woman all convinced of exactly what you wrote above, but then she runs into some batshit-crazy cntr-lefty that she knows well, gets the “other side of the story” in the form of emotion. Well, it pretty much depends on the timing of who she ran into last before going into the voting booth.

    This is why they shouldn’t be voting to begin with. It was a bad, bad idea.

    (Hey, Rosie, how are you this morning?)

  33. Barnard says:

    Did anybody ever ask Obama if he believed his own Administration that the problem in the public schools was too much discipline?

    He said as much multiple times. Obama specifically compared current hoodlums disrupting schools to himself as a teenager. Here is a quote from introduction of his “brother’s keeper” initiative:

    “There were times where I made poor choices, times where I was adrift,” he said. The only difference between now and then, he said, is that “I grew up in a more forgiving environment.”

    His last Education Secretary, John King, is proud to be the first Education Secretary kicked out of high school, because it means someone gave him a second chance. Obama is a true believer in the idea that problem with young black men is that society is out to get them.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/12/white-house-looks-to-cement-its-school-discipline-legacy/511190/

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Anon
  34. Max Steel says:

    I’ve recently been doing some substitute teaching to have some extra petty cash. Here are some quick observations:

    The school does not or cannot discipline kids! There are the same five kids always getting in trouble and nothing happens. The last few times I kicked students out they discipline room sent them right back to me. The admins got upset when I kicked the same kid out five minutes later.

    My favorite illustration: I once had to watch the discipline room. I got all the kids to be quite. As soon as the actual teacher walked they all started screaming. She told the kids to do what they want.

    And don’t get me started on special ed. There was some great idea to put retarded kids in normal classrooms

  35. @Stan d Mute

    For the correct immune response one needs to be exposed to the disease.

    That is a very good analogy, one that is generalizable and worthy of thought.

  36. @Precious

    “Blacks just draw the line farther out.”

    Speaking of which–and slightly OT, but metaphorically related–is anyone else out there in commenter land as disgusted as I am with the referees’ failure to call pass interference on these defensive backs’ hands-on play? This new NFL policy of tolerance is spoiling the game. Clear cases of pass interference are given a pass. This sucks. And, just as in basketball, blacks are at the leading edge when it comes to ruining a game.

  37. The commission’s report argues in favor of narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to combat discrimination in the nation’s schools by rejecting “disparate impact theory,” which holds that seemingly neutral policies can harm certain racial groups.

    This is welcome news, a rare rejection of the logical fallacy of disparate impact.

    The report referred to two Supreme Court rulings, one in 1978 and another in 2001, that affirmed that Title VI extended only to intentional discrimination.

    Here is proof that there always was legal acknowledgment from the top that only intentional discrimination is recognized by the courts. Why then have we suffered blatant disregard for these rulings for so long?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  38. JimB says:

    the administration will act on evidence of explicit discrimination

    Uh, oh. That means the Department of Education must take action against abortion-loving militant lesbian Christophobes and anti-white racists.

  39. Studying why racial group X has low test scores or high misbehavior rates has an element of meanness to it, and there’s a reasonable opposition to that.

    The counter to that is when the low test scores or high misbehavior rates for one race are being blamed on another racial group. Then that other racial group is completely justified in fighting against being blamed.

  40. @Tiny Duck

    My wife is Asian, yet her bullshit meter rings whenever I show her one of your comments, so I guess your generalization about people of color is not ironclad.

    By the way, do you have any children in a government (“public”) school with a substantial black student population?
    If not, why not?

    Funny how you never mention your family. You guys are even allowed to adopt children in a few States.

  41. @1661er

    For some reasons, Oakland had a problem of thugs setting people on fire during Obama adminstration.

    They’re trying to qualify for the Ignited Negro College Fund. (Sorry, old joke re Richard Pryor.)

  42. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Why then have we suffered blatant disregard for these rulings for so long?

    Because the Left believes in equality of results and will fight rear guard actions wherever and whenever they can (by executive order, by cabinet dept. rule making, by “Dear Colleague” letters, etc.) and until their desired outcome is achieved. If the courts disagree with them, it is only because they are not sufficiently woke yet. They will keep trying until the Overton Window of society and the court system catches up with the Leftist belief system. If Republicans temporarily take over the executive branch, the Left will fight tooth and nail to prevent any “reversal of progress” and if the Republican President is lucky he will be able to undo 20% of the damage that the last Democrat did. Then another Democrat will be elected and the ratchet of “progress” will shift the Overton Window a few more notches to the Left.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  43. JimB says:
    @Hail

    narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to combat discrimination in the nation’s schools

    Yes, this is tendentious. The correct phrasing is “narrowing a legal avenue for the federal government to empirically assert discrimination in the nation’s schools without a demonstrable mechanism.”

    • Agree: Hail
  44. @miss marple

    Public education should focus on work readiness rather than status. I mean it’s public school anyway.

    What work should we be readying these youths for, anyway? The service industry? How to wait tables? How to be security guards? How to drive buses? How to be diversity consultants or HR dept. drones? How to operate cash registers? How to be dummy drivers for driverless cars? How to shout orders and requests at living room Echoes and Dots? How to braid hair? How to do pedicures? Help me out here!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @miss marple
  45. Jack D says:

    delaying an Obama-era rule to prevent disproportionate numbers of minority children from being funneled into special education classes.

    Procrustes strikes again. All human groups must be made to fit his bed and if they don’t fit they must be stretched or chopped accordingly.

    I hadn’t heard about this rule. I assume that the way it was going to be applied IRL would be to send white kids who don’t really need it to special ed in order to right the “imbalance”. It’s bad enough that black kids get sent to magnet schools where they slow down the pace or that old white grannies get searched by TSA, but some poor white kid is going to suffer years in a special ed class to make the idealogues happy.

    If you set the cutoff for special ed at IQ 70, you are 2 SD’s away from the white mean, where the tail is getting awfully skinny but only 1 SD away from the black mean, where there is still a good bit of area under the curve, so naturally “disproportionate numbers” of blacks are going to be in special ed. But, the Left doesn’t care. Procrustes, get out your saw.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  46. @J.Ross

    Not mentioned: the Parkland shooting was 100% preventable, but was brought about by Broward County Sherriff Scott Israel refusing to enforce the law regarding known problem child Nick Cruz so that he could Obamize his numbers in line with the Tolerate Minority Crime idea.

    Not to mention the FBI ignoring clear indications that that particular kid was going to kill people in that particular school.

    If Trump wanted to do something useful, he would disband the FBI and start over from scratch.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  47. I wholeheartedly disagree with this decision by the administration. The resulting disaster from this policy serves as a good lesson in waking people up to reality.

  48. L Woods says:
    @Hail

    I present to you, Our Betters.

  49. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    What could possibly go wrong?

  50. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    Duncan was the subject of a chapter in “Freakonomics” IIRC. He was one of those bright-eyed capitalist-cred “postpartisan” (i.e. prog infighter) technicians whose “only loyalty was to what works” (reminiscent of the old Atari Democrats spiel). Peter Orzsag was another of these. I think the Ivy League young buck leftists of 10 yrs ago have fallen out of fashion lately, you can’t fix white.

  51. @Stan d Mute

    Good comment, Stan. I was going to make the same broad point.

    Your immune response point is absolutely on target–very well put. And i think that’s 90% of it–the good-whites have carefully isolated themselves.

    But i think there’s a huge element of willful blindness on top of that. Large numbers of good-whites–especially good-white women, who have chosen not to now. And having made that choice and getting continual reinforcement from the establishment media, actually “don’t know”.

    Selective association can also be a factor. There are a couple of families of halfies–raised by white single moms–in my neighborhood. My kids grew up with these kids–one, my son’s best neighborhood friend. (I saw his dad, dropping off his boy yesterday and went out to chat–fine fellow.) All great kids to a T. If a white persons entire experience is limited to such folks–for many good-whites carefully selected by parents who can afford to live in their neighborhood, or attend their posh private school–they would get a distorted picture.

    If you then actively disregard all other information out there, close your eyes and chant “i’m a good person”, “i’m a good person”, “i’m a good person” … you’re a certified non-deplorable, good person!

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  52. @Jack D

    Similarly, imagine the injuries to white children force-bussed to schools in black neighborhoods. I know a white man who has lived with brain damage all his adult life. He was looking in his high school locker when a black kid hit him on the back of the head with a baseball bat.

  53. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Those were the 2 behind the T.M. Landry Prep semi-exposé. Kind of a curious “team” if you remember that saga.

    • Replies: @Hail
  54. @Colin Wright

    “Their behavior is worse than that of other groups — far worse. It’s absurd to pretend otherwise.”

    If memory serves, I believe our esteemed host Mr. Sailer has coined a term to describe pretending of this nature: protective stupidity.

  55. @Jack D

    That gives Sisyphean meaning to the title of Steve’s post,

    “Slowly Rolling Back the Late Obama Age Collapse”

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • LOL: densa
  56. KunioKun says:

    I wish Michelle made it mandatory that if a school sells sugary drinks to kids it must also sell seltzer water too. Then encourage kids who want to lose weight to give it a try. I think that would have been less annoying and more effective than what they ended up doing.

  57. densa says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    I agree! This is a residue of whiteness that must be purified from the sins of okayness. First thing we need to do is get rid of the awful public employee unions that have allowed this to fester for far, far too long!

  58. Decades ago, the public secondary schools I attended had a grand total of 6 Black people, all of whom were popular, unlike most of the white-privilege students. Discipline was much more abundant than intellectual enthusiasm from students and second-income-seeking teachers who were there primarily for one reason: a steady .gov job with gold-star benefits, allowing 95%-mom hires to be at home with their children in the summers.

    During the entire dreary trajectory of my primary & secondary school experience, the two—and only two—stellar teachers that I had in class were both moms, exceptional mom teachers, with one having to leave mid-year to care for a child with a major illness. I participated in extra-circular activities with another excellent teacher, a true intellectual who was also glam and popular with the kids, particularly the brainy ones. Despite all of the students that she inspired to study harder—so unlike the majority of teachers—the school district tried to ruin her. In public secondary schools, real passion for subject matter and depth of knowledge is not the norm, nor the rewarded thing.

    The primary schools are bad, but not quite as bad. The public secondary schools need to be renamed.

    [MORE]

    How about The Failing Socialization & Consumerism Training Centers?

    In reverse proportion to their presence in the school, “discipline” was administered by the few male teachers, the worshipped coaches, in a school system that revolved around athletics and the number of designer clothing items that kids could—or could not—pressure their parents into buying. In junior high, Izod shirts at $30 per pop, jeans with various designer labels, Nike tennis shoes and enough gold Add-a-Beads to prove your worth as a female were mandatory for social survival.

    The cool girls wore tight skinny jeans. In addition to the cheerleading-skirt wearers, the tight jeans might have increased the paddling ratio of girls to boys. Male teachers would probably be destroyed by the media today for telling an overwhelming number of girl offenders—disciplined for grim infractions like gum chewing in class, passing notes in class and the ubiquitous talking in class—to bend over, with another male teacher witnessing the punishment.

    Although this “college-prep” atmosphere was anything but “academic,” the hysteria over such things in today’s media, which exaggerates a lot of it to milk it for ratings, crowds out any discussion of why we have such a serious batch of failing schools and an overall, failing society. These are the “good schools” that I am describing, not the ghetto schools in poor areas, but the white-privilege public schools in a small town.

    It is not just the lack of English teachers with an evangelical interest in word-craft, the lack of compelling history teachers to convey the most important concepts for maintaining a functioning big-R Republic or the dearth of teachers with the drive to impart the mathematical thinking that can actually lead to gainful employment. It is not just the teachers, the students or their families. It is the overall culture; the quality has been in free fall for awhile.

    It is natural for boys to say off-color stuff to some degree, but male students in my secondary schools said every graphic thing in the world, with one even saying such things in the middle of class to a female teacher. She just laughed, not making a big deal out of it, telling him he was too young to know anything about that. Believe me, if I repeat what this kid said, I could probably be kicked off of here.

    Even back then, this was the general social atmosphere that students had to navigate. At least, this was junior high, whereas a teacher I knew in the early 2000s repeated something said by an elementary school boy in a poor urban school—right in the middle of class—that was just amazing. It is not the fault of a kid that young; that child is a product of the overall culture, including his home-life.

    But it is not just inner-city kids. Most of the boys in my schools were middle-class, and in a university town with no private schools for 80 miles, there were quite a few upper-middle-class white kids by the standards of the time. Fewer dual-high-earner couples concentrated the wealth from salaried jobs at the top, thinning out the middle class, in those days.

    So, it is not just economic and not just race-based.

    I hated almost every minute of it, with a few oases of true learning here and there, although I pretended that I didn’t hate it at some points. College was nothing like those awful secondary schools.

  59. Forbes says:
    @Colin Wright

    The kicker is that I suspect everyone knows this perfectly well.

    And yet, still deny it. Several lefties of my acquaintance will propose ever more elaborate explanations excusing the conduct as “not their fault.” There’s never any agency involved, nor personal responsibility, if you can summon racism to the fore. Like something that lingers in the air, it is only detected by the most sensitive of noses.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  60. @AnotherDad

    Repost on selective association for blacks in white neighborhoods, from earlier Chetty discussion

    The IQ effects are more severe than “regression to the mean”. Black parents (on average) have lower IQ than white parents of the same income and geographic location. Reasons include the known test-score distributions, affirmative action, and differences in career choices. Black residents of a middle- or upper-class white town will have similar family incomes earned in (relatively) lower IQ occupations. (…)

    IQ alone is a mediocre predictor of individual income. If you consider earnings potential as driven by multiple factors such as IQ, work ethic, social skills, etc — then equalizing the parental incomes makes the black parents higher than the whites on the non-IQ factors. The overall package of traits, “relevant to earnings” as Chetty puts it, is what gets transmitted to the children and is the thing that regresses to the mean. But then equalizing the parent incomes does eliminate the gap even if it does not eliminate the test-score Gap.

    In other words, the black families will have more favorable personality traits, the kids may be social/athletic leaders in school (but rarely top students, unless parents are in smart occupations) due to natural inclination plus academic mismatch. Good neighbors partly due to a selection effect within the income selection effect. Also, a disproportionate number of black kids with great parents will get into trouble.

    I think theory and observation are in reasonable agreement here.

  61. Forbes says:
    @Barnard

    That prog-lefties lack self-awareness is demonstrated by Obama’s own statement, as if his upbringing and formative experience is/was “typical” of dysfunctional students on the receiving end of school discipline.

  62. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    The White House commission on shootings has come out in support of legalized SWATting (emergency protection removal orders: solving the legal gun ownership problem by murdering legal gun owners). This, on the same day that Trump completely abandons the wall. Is there a way to contact the White House that isn’t a joke?

  63. There is no organization that donates more money to dem candidates than teacher’s unions. The nearby Williamsville, NY school board members are all candidates that their teachers’ union supported. This week the Buffalo News chants the mantra that minority students are suspended more often than white students and then publishes an article about a teachers aide getting knocked out by a “student.” I really could care less when teachers get hit in the head by desks, waste baskets or fists, because they don’t walk out and shut down the schools when this happens. BUT, ask them to contribute to their health care coverage or work and extra 15 minutes after school to meet with students and it is Good Bye Jack.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  64. @Forbes

    But isn’t this an HBD site? You can’t hold different groups of people to the same standards because it won’t work. As long as we’re all accepting the premise of these giant 1.5k high schools and such, I don’t see how we make a school practical for everybody.

    I’d rather we move back to smaller schools with a more tailored focus. If some schools are mostly racially segregated or girls-only or whatever, then let parents and students choose how they do high school. One-size-fits-all just doesn’t. Seems to me getting mad at blacks for acting black is backwards.

    How dare you behave like a crazy rich Asian girl just because you’re a crazy Asian rich girl!

  65. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Real Obama Age Collapse was in Libya,Syria, Ukraine, and Yemen.

    Will Trump reverse that?

    As for Weekly Standard…

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-bill-kristol-closed-the-conservative-mind/

    Just a Neocon War Porn featuring Kristol as centerfold every week with some fancy articles thrown in for respectability. Just like Playboy, a skin magazine masquerading as culture magazine with interviews, movie reviews, short stories, etc. Weekly Standard would have been more honest in Hustler mode. People vs Billy Kristol.

  66. anon[615] • Disclaimer says:

    “Because the Left believes in equality of results”

    I think it’s more fair to say the Left believes in the equality of results for those within its coalition. They are sociopathic Machiavellians; vote for them, and they wish to empower you such that you can be used as a cog in a political machine constructed for their benefit – demoralizing the opposition, social advancement, and continual diversionary tactics so that they might profit from and engage in hypocritical racial policies themselves (gentrification, Harvard admissions, preserving nice white neighborhoods, ignoring racial disparities in Silicon Valley hiring, etc.). The Left wasn’t exactly interested in ensuring equality in casualties across races in Afghanistan or male/female representation in garbage truck drivers – two demographics that don’t overwhelmingly vote for them.

  67. TheBoom says:
    @Stan d Mute

    it’s only us misfortunates who have spent significant time immersed in or surrounded by negroes who truly understand what nature has done insofar as black:white behavioral differences.

    Agree. All the people I have known who view blacks as perennial victims have never lived among large numbers of blacks or gone to school with them. At most they had a few blacks around them that were civilized.

    On the other hand even dedicated leftists I have known who went to high schools with a large black population ended up with a race realist attitude towards blacks. There is something about spending years being hassled, harrassed, robbed and intimidated by blacks that causes whites to not worship them.

  68. TheBoom says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I really could care less when teachers get hit in the head by desks, waste baskets or fists, because they don’t walk out and shut down the schools when this happens.

    The political leanings of teachers prove that the desire to be a good white, especially among women, far outweighs the reality good whites encounter on a daily basis. I have found that reality can influence people’s attitudes on controversial topics before college but after uni the core narratives are set. Teachers may prefer employment in white schools and want to live in a white neighborhood but they are going to be steadfast in their leftist ideology no matter what they encounter daily in the school.

  69. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard

    Obama, the guy who could only understand issues as they related to his own personal experience, was incapable of taking a detached view of everyone else’s personal experience, which is why he was unfit to be a leader.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  70. Jack D says:
    @Laugh Track

    Yes, exactly. Vocational education disappeared along with our manufacturing base. There’s no point in training people to be tool & die makers if there are no factories. No point in learning sewing if there’s no garment industry. Etc. “College for All” became a thing because it kept unemployed young people off the streets at least for a while. It’s not like there were jobs at the GM plant available for them if they decided not to go to college.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Art Deco
  71. OT, but still Obama related.

    His Harvard Law classmate, Jackie Fuchs, mentioned before on this site by Steve for her take on Obama and Joan Jett’s self-willed personal transformations, is kicking ass on Jeopardy. Today was her third win in a row.

    Apparently, she’s pretty brainy, but not particularly pretty and hasn’t aged as well her Runaways bandmates Joan Jett and Lita Ford. I didn’t know who she was until Trebek was talking with the contestants and she casually mentioned playing bass in an all girls band in the 70s called The Runaways.

  72. @Stephen Paul Foster

    How many other colleges in addition to Wright State are pulling the same con job on the taxpayers who ultimately will have to pay for the defaulted student loans?

  73. @Anon

    Obama, the guy who could only understand issues as they related to his own personal experience, was incapable of taking a detached view of everyone else’s personal experience, which is why he was unfit to be a leader.

    I don’t know about that. “Detached” seems to fit just about everything about the man.

  74. @Laugh Track

    Yes. You can’t send them straight to prison and you want them out of the regular classes. Smarter ones can become electricians and plumbers. The GED is sufficient for those most learning averse and disruptive along with some sort of work experience. Keeping them goal directed in a pro-social vein might set them up well enough for the future. Why stress about it.

  75. Marty says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sorry if I’ve told this before but in ’98, when they had pay phones on the BART platforms, I was listening to an overwrought young Jewish guy telling someone about his day in the classroom. “They are savages!,” he screamed into the phone. When we got on the train I asked him what was up, and it turned out he was doing Teach for America in a Berkekey middle school.

  76. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Thanks — here is the iSteve thread on the subject.

    Reading the article, something feels off about this Landry School story in the first few paragraphs. They list these problems at the school, the most serious of which to my mind is the fabrications on student transcripts. The thing is, they seemed, to me, to be implying that the Landrys were Southern, White, plantation-overseer types. It was subtle. I wondered why a bigger deal wasn’t being made of it. Race stories get clicks, right? Why cover up the White-on-Black victimization here?

    Then, fairly deep into the article, they reveal that the Landrys are Black. It was a surprise to me, not in line with the mental image I’d formed up to that point, following hundreds of their words. I cannot have been the only one. The reveal came not even through their text but through a picture.

    Here are the Landrys, pic from their own website:

    Reading the whole article, besides it being a hit on this Landry, who is depicted as a bowtied snake-oil salesman, it seems two bring a few cultural-political angles together:

    – [1] The discontents of college-prep culture as it exists today (Green and Benner probably both relate),
    – [2] racialized college admission politics (Benner, signs point to Chinese or possibly Korean ancestry, presumably bringing these to the table), and
    – [3] Blacks as disproportionately victimized by [x, fill in the blank] (the Green angle, presumably). There is little to nothing in the article implicating racial preferences in admission as the structural, causal factor in whatever was going on there.

    As for their criticism of Landry’s aggressive test-prep and general form-over-substance education model, this is the Asian model, plan and simple. Plenty of the Asians who get into good schools have comparable experiences. Benner’s catharsis? (possibly vicarious catharsis for fellow Asians). According to NYT bio material, Benner grew up in Vermont, graduated from Bowdoin in 1999, and lived in China 2000-2004. Is she an adoptee?

    Louisiana School Made Headlines for Sending Black Kids to Elite Colleges. Here’s the Reality. (Link)

    T.M. Landry, a school in small-town Louisiana, has garnered national attention for vaulting its underprivileged black students to elite colleges. But the school cut corners and doctored college applications.

    By Erica L. Green and Katie Benner / Photographs by Annie Flanagan

    Nov. 30, 2018

    [MORE]

    In reality, the school falsified transcripts, made up student accomplishments and mined the worst stereotypes of black America to manufacture up-from-hardship tales that it sold to Ivy League schools hungry for diversity.

    The words “Ivy League schools hungry for diversity” there are absolute closest they come in the article to implicating, as a causal factor in the problems at Landry School, the institutionalized system of racial preferences for Blacks at U.S. colleges.

    The Landrys also fostered a culture of fear with physical and emotional abuse, students and teachers said.

    The most serious allegation of physical abuse turns out to have been a case of a mother asking Landry hit her son.

    High school students took ACT practice tests day after day and sporadically attended classes. Bryson Sassau, who took the ACT three times, said that once he got to college, he realized an education that revolved around test preparation had ill-served him. “If it wasn’t on the ACT, I didn’t know it,” he said.

    The Landrys recruited their own family members and parents of students to serve as instructors.

    The Landry School website claims an ACT average of 27 in 2015-2017 and 28 in the latest school year. These are really fantastic scores for a Black-majority school, equivalent to mid 1200s to low 1300s on the SAT. Can they be believed?

    A half-dozen current and former students said that Mr. Landry told them to lie on their college applications. In exchange for students’ loyalty, Mr. Landry produced glowing transcripts, including what several students said were high marks in advanced coursework they never took.

    “He was pulling all of the information out of thin air,” Bryson Sassau said.

    Only this week did Mr. Sassau see the application that the Landrys submitted to St. John’s on his behalf. He was stunned and angry about the fabrications. His father paid child support and had never beat him nor his mother, unlike the abusive parent described.

    Photographs in the article reveal that Bryson Sassau is mixed race, with a White mother and Black father (not pictured).

    After T.M. Landry hit a high of 180 students last year, parents say that enrollment plunged after a July meeting in which Mr. Landry called them a racial slur.

    LOL. We really need more clarity on who is what race in these things. Was it a Black-on-Black racial slur?

    “Write whatever you want to write about us on the negative side,” Mr. Landry told a reporter. “But at the end of the day, my sister, if we got kids at Harvard every day, I’m going to fight for Harvard. Why is it O.K. that Asians get to Harvard? Why is it O.K. that white people get to Harvard?”

    Landry addressed the ‘reporter’ as “my sister,” so it must have been Green.

    Some of what was going on here may have been that Green doesn’t really like Landry, maybe looks down on him for being from the provinces. Do urbane metropolitan Blacks look down on Deep South Blacks in way analogous to the same in Whites?

    This is Erica L. Green’s NYT tagline: “Erica L. Green is a correspondent in Washington covering education and education policy. Before joining The Times, she wrote about education for The Baltimore Sun.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  77. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    (Correction) Here is the iSteve thread on the subject.

    Anon[330] in that thread [comment #7] succinctly makes a point I try to make above re: what people are, and are not, to take away from the article.

  78. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    That’s true but goes double for all the fake white collar jobs that can now be computerized and all the scam-majors that were never serious.

  79. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    This is really important. Disparate impact operates under the assumption that there could be no other explanation for differing outcomes, proportionally, relative to the population, than racial discrimination, that group differences do not and cannot exist … and if they do exist, that also, is because of racial discrimination, so there!

    Implicit bias and structural racism are the two other legs of this tripod of bullshit and African witchcraft belief.

    Disparate impact is supported by court decisions, so I’m not sure how that will interact with the adminstrations actions. Amy Wax is the legal expert on disparate impact; I’d like to hear her take.

  80. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys……

    Dis bein a diskussion bouts teh problems lil Dindu Nuffin causes in skool. Whyunt you let teh adults tawk and start thinkin bout how you be gunna make Lendterm all happys 2nite!

    Lendert “he really be tinkin bout somebodys pucker” Pifft

  81. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    “peaking of Trump, someone actually embedded a picture of Trump’s face in a monkey turd and published it in a peer-reviewed scientific journal”

    Reminds me of that phenomenon where religious people would claim to see the Virgin Marry on a piece of toast or something. In this case, the religious left took one of Obama’s turds, polished it, and claimed to see Trump.

  82. @miss marple

    “I vote for encouraging a national love affair with extreme vocational education.”

    In the UK the great and good are fretting that not enough white boys are choosing to go £60,000 (increasing each year by 3% plus inflation) into debt aged 21 – i.e. that they are choosing not to go to university.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/01/white-working-class-boys-university-debt-higher-education

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/10/white-working-class-boys-in-england-need-more-help-to-go-to-university

    IMHO a boy with 95-110 IQ is far better off becoming an apprentice plumber or ‘sparky’ than getting a degree. By 25 he’ll be earning more than a typical grad, he won’t have that huge debt, he won’t have the extra 9% “graduate tax” to pay.

    Our roofer is less than 30, house, wife, two kids. Competent guy who could easily (these days) have gone to uni. But he can charge £250 a day (more than twice the median UK wage) because he’s good.

  83. @Anonymous

    You got me! No Trump, but I zoomed in and stared at a monkey turd. Nice one!

  84. Art Deco says:

    This is a classic Late Obama Age Collapse policy. Did anybody ever ask Obama if he believed his own Administration that the problem in the public schools was too much discipline? Not that Obama ever sent his kids anywhere near a public school …

    No they didn’t ask Obama that. Remember Roger Mudd humiliating Ted Kennedy in a 1979 interview? The media are no longer the least bit motivated to ask Democratic pols potentially embarrassing questions.

    And the issue isn’t discipline at all. The issue is status. You have a critical mass of blacks from various social strata who fancy it’s a violation of the natural order for the peasants of the larger society to define standards of conduct and performance for blacks and enforce those standards. The only conceivably legitimate standards are either defined by blacks or define performance and good conduct in such a way that blacks are not embarrassed by the results. The welfare of working class blacks – especially those who are more or less content with society’s rules – is of no interest to Obama. Status-signaling and status allocation is.

  85. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, exactly. Vocational education disappeared along with our manufacturing base. There’s no point in training people to be tool & die makers if there are no factories. No point in learning sewing if there’s no garment industry. Etc. “College for All” became a thing because it kept unemployed young people off the streets at least for a while. It’s not like there were jobs at the GM plant available for them if they decided not to go to college.

    ‘College for All’ isn’t a thing. North of a 1/3 of each youth cohort receive no tertiary schooling at all. Those who receive a baccalaureate degree are just north of 40% of each cohort as we speak. Too many, perhaps, but nowhere near ‘all’.

    The employment-to-population ratio – the share of persons over 16 who are currently employed if you bracket out the institutional population – has varied between 0.54 and 0.64 for more than 70 years, in spite of there being ever more bulbous post-secondary enrollments. The majority of people between their 20th and 25th birthday are employed at any one time. Expanded college enrollments aren’t taking much pressure off the labor market.

    Fewer people work in manufacturing than was once the case. No clue why ‘fewer people’ translates into ‘no factories’ in your mind. The real value of manufacturing output exceeds what it was in 1970. No clue why you fancy potential service employees do not benefit from vocational training (bar that it appears to be the unexamined assumption around here that ‘real’ jobs are to be found only in manufacturing and construction).

  86. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I also never saw the logic in “it doesn’t matter who started it!”.

    Well, in domestic circumstances, the logic is that your mother and father are not in pursuit of justice, but of silence. Some mothers are employed as elementary schoolteachers, too. The trouble is teachers and administrators reluctant to get into the weeds of the petty disputes the young have with each other are commonly opposed to allowing aggrieved parties to mete out some rough justice or to encouraging parents to see to it that their kid acquires the skills and bearing to mete out rough justice. They do their part to make intractable problems worse than they’d otherwise be.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  87. @Art Deco

    AGREED.

    That’s the problem – students are not allowed to work things out for themselves even if it does involve some punches or wrestling on the ground. That would be bad, as The State is supposed to handle all this stuff. Discipline and respect for Authoritah! are too important to let this dispute settling go on on the playground. That’s why The State has used your tax money to make a nice big room, the Responsible Thinking Center*, formerly known as detention.

    Also, I understand your point on parents’ pursuit of silence, especially in large families!

    * No lie.

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