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At his Shots in the Dark blog, Richard Bradley posts a longer indictment of Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Rolling Stone Article: “A Rape on Campus: A Brutal Assault and Search for Justice at UVA:”

Beyond The Missing Men

Posted on December 4th, 2014 in Uncategorized | 33 Comments »

I’m gratified that Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s failure to contact the two alleged rapists whose names were allegedly known to their alleged victim has attracted an enormous amount of media attention.

Sabrina Rubin Erdley and her supporters are arguing that it’s a mistake to get hung up on that one issue. I agree. Doing so risks obscuring all the other flaws in the Rolling Stone article.

I want to address some of those today.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. It’s kind of weird how he changed his name after like 20 years of being an adult and having a journalism career.

  2. Here’s a mean-spirited, evil thought: Did Erdley ask Jackie to show her back? That would seem to have been a reasonable and obvious way to corroborate the story. If Jackie is telling the truth, her back should be badly scarred. Woman to woman, what would have been the harm in asking? Jackie wouldn’t have to “get naked” or anything. Just show the scars, in private, to a woman who is obviously on her side and wants to believe. If they’re there, she should have been eager to show them.

    Of course Erdley didn’t ask, and would respond to the suggestion with fury. Asking for corroboration is a second rape!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Doesn't the RS article say Jackie continued lifeguarding for sometime (while hiding in her room and almost flunking all her classes).

    No mention of anyone at pool seeing any cuts/scars on her back. Maybe she healed overnight. Or maybe she switched to one of those Iranian-style bathing suits.

  3. “And, of course, if one were fabricating or exaggerating an accusation of rape, one very effective way to make a story hard to disprove is to say, “I’m too traumatized to tell you the names of the men I recognized.”

    Not being able to disprove the story is the entire point. It’s why the whole Left has latched onto this particular case. What was the problem with Tawana Brawley? With the Duke Lacrosse Scandal? The fact that they could be, and were, disproven.

    So let’s build a cause celebre around a case with no verifiable facts: no named victim, no named perps, no named witnesses, no police report, no hospital records, nothing.

    This story is yet one more piece of evidence that Leftism is its own kind of religion – believe what we tell you, to disbelieve it or even to ask for evidence is heresy.

  4. Dahlia says:

    Yes, lots of flaws.

    There was also malice.

    Erdely taunted and sarcastically mocked lovers of “tradition” and UVa by telling the world they were defending “twat” “taking it in the rear” and “fuc*ing for 50 cents” being sung in public.

    Malicious lies. Unknown and unsung. All new lyrics sourced to an obscure reader-submitted site devoted to “bawdy” drinking song from which she lifted the worst ones.

  5. From Bradley’s post: “Rubin Erdely can not have it both ways. She used the story of Jackie’s rape, led her article with it, because it was her most dramatic evidence of rape culture at UVA. If the allegation turns out to be inaccurate or untrue, Rubin Erdley can not then say that Jackie’s story isn’t important in demonstrating the existence of rape culture at UVA.”

    Basically, the rape is a journalistic version of Massive Headwound Harry, an old Saturday Night Live character. If the rape isn’t true, or isn’t relevant to the larger point about UVA, how the hell are you supposed to ignore it?

  6. Well, if Erdely had wanted the most Southern and fratty place, she should have chosen Ole Miss. But then Ole Miss isn’t prestigious. Plus that’s just beating a dead horse. UVA is probably the one place that has the best combination of affluent whites and high frat % south of the Mason-Dixon. Just get on collegeboard.org and look up the frat % (25 for UVA)- not many places get that high.

  7. You can write to the New York Times with suggestions on news coverage and to point out factual errors here:

    [email protected]

  8. I don’t know whether or not it was Steve Sailer who introduced the term “the Megaphone”, but it’s much more appropriate than “the Cathedral”, which is popular in some quarters.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I picked up "The Megaphone" from a comment by Svigor several years ago.

    I've never understood "the Cathedral." Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Chartres_1.jpg

    , @Trumpenprole
    The Cathedral refers to the iron triangle of Academia, Government Bureaucracy, and Infotainment. The unelected permanent bureaucracy takes its marching orders not from congress or the president or the courts, but rather from The Ivy League colleges who proclaim a secular crypto-unitarian religion known as Progressivism. Through papers, thesis, essays, reports, manifestos, and other academic detritus the Theory is promulgated. This is then seized by the bureaucratic laity who mold shape cram push and hammer these doctrines into every possible nook and cranny of government policy until the congregation begs for mercy. Then minitrue (or the megaphone as you put it) swings into action. Their function is to shame to scold, to censure and disparage, to root out and destroy any and all infidels on a twenty four hour newspeak cycle.
    So to answer your question, the Megaphone is and organ of the Cathedral.
  9. Much of the criticism and skepticism stem from facts the alleged in the story, and rightly so, but the behavior of Jackie herself is the what is most damning. Feminists love to harp on people who question their fantastical tales, lecturing us that we shouldn’t blame or question “the victim,” despite the question at hand being whether or not there actually is a victim.

    Jackie is too willing to spin her yarn to sympathetic figures (fellow anti-rape activists, liberal magazine writers) but too scared to go to the police. She is willing to name the fraternity, but won’t name her attackers specifically (despite knowing two) out of fear. She is too traumatized and shaken by the incident to go to class or keep her health up, yet she never transfers or drops out. She remains at school where her attack occurred, with little to no support for a long time, all while worrying about running into her rapists on campus.

    So yeah, I do question rape “victims.”

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Trouble is, we don't know where Jackie ends and Erdely begins in that story. Erdely lied and mislead so much throughout the piece, that abortion of an article, that it isn't fair to Jackie to speculate about her. She was probably truly a victim of something terrible and has fallen into the wrong hands here.
  10. What’s funny about Jackie’s concern with her privacy is that I keep reading comments – from folks using pseudonyms, of course – that Jackie has spoken publicly about her rape. If she’s spoken publicly then why does she not let herself be named in the article? And why don’t the folks who claim to have heard her speak use their real names?

    The Rolling Stone has also published several comments from people defending the article, or the existence of a “rape culture” at UVA. These people claim to know people who were raped at UVA, but every single commenter uses a pseudonym.

  11. @5371
    I don't know whether or not it was Steve Sailer who introduced the term "the Megaphone", but it's much more appropriate than "the Cathedral", which is popular in some quarters.

    I picked up “The Megaphone” from a comment by Svigor several years ago.

    I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Steve,

    I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?
     
    Moldbug:

    The root problem with a state church in a democratic state is that, to believe in democracy, one must believe that the levers of power terminate with the voters. But if your democracy has an effective state church, the actual levers of power pass through the voters, and go back to the church. The church teaches the voters what to think; the voters tell the politicians what to do. Naturally, it is easy for the politicians to short-circuit this process and just listen to the bishops.

    Thus the government has a closed power loop. With the church at its apex, of course. Which is exactly what we were hoping to avoid when we decided to make our state democratic, rather than authoritarian - an independent and unaccountable authority, which is in charge of everything else. In this case our authority is, of course, the church itself. Oops! We have engineered ourselves a big bucket of FAIL.

    In other words, our so-called democracy is dependent not on the wisdom of the people, but on the internal power politics of the official church. If these politics produce a political platform which translates to responsible and effective actions, the government will be good. If they don't, it will suck. Either way, we have consigned the state to an unaccountable conclave of bishops.
     
  12. Note that Disqus comments on the article at Rolling Stone are now closed. The most recent comments were 10 days ago – the same day Bradley wrote his initial blog post. Coincidence that they block comments at the same time that questions start to be raised?

  13. Richard Bradley/Blow and
    Charles Blow have to be related. They have the same smirk, the same Backpfeifengesicht.

    I’d say more, but would rather not come to Blows…

  14. Erdely’s article has a lot in common with Weisel’s “Night.” Both are fabrications that exploit tragic subjects. Rape and the Shoah are both real, but these writers and others have shown disrespect for true victims by profiting from their own exaggerations.

  15. While we’re on the subject of rape culture, it turns out that Lena Dunham falsely claimed to have been raped by a made-up Republican: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2861243/Flamboyant-Republican-conservative-raped-Lena-Dunham-college-ghost-does-not-exist-new-report-claims.html

    I, for one, am shocked that she would do such a thing.

  16. Dahlia says:
    @GW
    Much of the criticism and skepticism stem from facts the alleged in the story, and rightly so, but the behavior of Jackie herself is the what is most damning. Feminists love to harp on people who question their fantastical tales, lecturing us that we shouldn't blame or question "the victim," despite the question at hand being whether or not there actually is a victim.

    Jackie is too willing to spin her yarn to sympathetic figures (fellow anti-rape activists, liberal magazine writers) but too scared to go to the police. She is willing to name the fraternity, but won't name her attackers specifically (despite knowing two) out of fear. She is too traumatized and shaken by the incident to go to class or keep her health up, yet she never transfers or drops out. She remains at school where her attack occurred, with little to no support for a long time, all while worrying about running into her rapists on campus.

    So yeah, I do question rape "victims."

    Trouble is, we don’t know where Jackie ends and Erdely begins in that story. Erdely lied and mislead so much throughout the piece, that abortion of an article, that it isn’t fair to Jackie to speculate about her. She was probably truly a victim of something terrible and has fallen into the wrong hands here.

    • Replies: @GW
    It couldn't have been that bad, since the Charlottesville PD has never received a formal complaint about any rape or sexual impropriety occuring at Phi Psi that night, from "Jackie" or anyone else. If something terrible, that is illegal, happened to Jackie then let her report it to the authorities. Until that happens, her character deserves close scrutiny.

    By all accounts it was Jackie--not Erdely--who named Phi Psi specifically, causing the hellfire which has rained upon the frat. It was Jackie who didn't provide the identity of the alleged rapists, or at the very least wouldn't allow them to be released.

  17. Pity Sabrina Rubin Erdely. She wrote this great story that showed her bravely confronting the Frat/Rape issue for the first time. And yall get hung up on details. This is misogony, which proves her point. Can you not see?

  18. “While we’re on the subject of rape culture, it turns out that Lena Dunham falsely claimed to have been raped by a made-up Republican:”

    Lena Dunham should have claimed that she was gang raped by the Republican ghosts of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

  19. @Steve Sailer
    I picked up "The Megaphone" from a comment by Svigor several years ago.

    I've never understood "the Cathedral." Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Chartres_1.jpg

    Steve,

    I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    Moldbug:

    The root problem with a state church in a democratic state is that, to believe in democracy, one must believe that the levers of power terminate with the voters. But if your democracy has an effective state church, the actual levers of power pass through the voters, and go back to the church. The church teaches the voters what to think; the voters tell the politicians what to do. Naturally, it is easy for the politicians to short-circuit this process and just listen to the bishops.

    Thus the government has a closed power loop. With the church at its apex, of course. Which is exactly what we were hoping to avoid when we decided to make our state democratic, rather than authoritarian – an independent and unaccountable authority, which is in charge of everything else. In this case our authority is, of course, the church itself. Oops! We have engineered ourselves a big bucket of FAIL.

    In other words, our so-called democracy is dependent not on the wisdom of the people, but on the internal power politics of the official church. If these politics produce a political platform which translates to responsible and effective actions, the government will be good. If they don’t, it will suck. Either way, we have consigned the state to an unaccountable conclave of bishops.

  20. vdare has an article up about Erdely and an article she wrote slamming the Catholic Church http://www.vdare.com/posts/suspect-uva-hit-piece-authored-by-writer-of-suspect-anti-catholic-hit-piece-does-she-have-any-non-suspect-pieces

    The article calls her “militantly Jewish” and links to another article where she is mentioned taking her children to a Jewish identity day camp.

    Will I live to see them called out? Its daily, the problem of Jewish contempt for the rest of us being at the root of so much ill will.

  21. See also:

    James Madison on Separation of Church and State

    This is the issue. Megaphones do not hold themselves.

    How did Obama justify his executive order on immigration? By pointing out the unanimity of support among the “bishops” of our state church, while ignoring the direct will, not to mention the welfare, of the people.

  22. Jackie and Lena are accusing a CLASS instead of an INDIVIDUAL. Not naming the perps is a feature not a bug of this strategy.

    Read the Breitbart investigation of Dunham’s rotten tale. She won’t really name the perp because the perp is The Republicans … as a class.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Amend to say Sabrina Erdely, not Jackie.

    She's the proven liar; we can't infer much about Jackie.
  23. I picked up “The Megaphone” from a comment by Svigor several years ago.

    I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    -Steve Sailer

    Kotkin calls it the “Clerisy,” which is better than “Cathedral,” but that is also too dignified.

    There’s “Nomenklatura,” but that’s probably too foreign. Megaphone is good, but it makes me think of Forrest Gump for some reason. It’s a little dated.

    Personally, I’ve started to lean toward just thinking of them as “Democrats.” Can’t really think of a more descriptive and accurate term. I mean, if they’ve all got something in common, that’s it, right?

    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    @Steve Sailer

    I'd like "the Cathedral" if it wasn't, in effect, against Christianity and Western heritage. Christianity built the West:


    “By pacifying social relations, Church and State also created a culture that rewarded men who got ahead through trade and hard work, rather than through force and plunder. It became easier to plan for the future and develop what came to be known as middle-class values: thrift, sobriety, and self-control.”
     
    I wonder if there's a fictional religion that could be used instead? Something like e.g. from the Dune books.

    What Steve is doing is about more than Democrats vs. Republicans. It's on the level of civilizations, not political parties.

  24. @Suede Handle
    Jackie and Lena are accusing a CLASS instead of an INDIVIDUAL. Not naming the perps is a feature not a bug of this strategy.

    Read the Breitbart investigation of Dunham's rotten tale. She won't really name the perp because the perp is The Republicans ... as a class.

    Amend to say Sabrina Erdely, not Jackie.

    She’s the proven liar; we can’t infer much about Jackie.

  25. @manton
    Here's a mean-spirited, evil thought: Did Erdley ask Jackie to show her back? That would seem to have been a reasonable and obvious way to corroborate the story. If Jackie is telling the truth, her back should be badly scarred. Woman to woman, what would have been the harm in asking? Jackie wouldn’t have to “get naked” or anything. Just show the scars, in private, to a woman who is obviously on her side and wants to believe. If they’re there, she should have been eager to show them.

    Of course Erdley didn’t ask, and would respond to the suggestion with fury. Asking for corroboration is a second rape!

    Doesn’t the RS article say Jackie continued lifeguarding for sometime (while hiding in her room and almost flunking all her classes).

    No mention of anyone at pool seeing any cuts/scars on her back. Maybe she healed overnight. Or maybe she switched to one of those Iranian-style bathing suits.

  26. @Dahlia
    Trouble is, we don't know where Jackie ends and Erdely begins in that story. Erdely lied and mislead so much throughout the piece, that abortion of an article, that it isn't fair to Jackie to speculate about her. She was probably truly a victim of something terrible and has fallen into the wrong hands here.

    It couldn’t have been that bad, since the Charlottesville PD has never received a formal complaint about any rape or sexual impropriety occuring at Phi Psi that night, from “Jackie” or anyone else. If something terrible, that is illegal, happened to Jackie then let her report it to the authorities. Until that happens, her character deserves close scrutiny.

    By all accounts it was Jackie–not Erdely–who named Phi Psi specifically, causing the hellfire which has rained upon the frat. It was Jackie who didn’t provide the identity of the alleged rapists, or at the very least wouldn’t allow them to be released.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Perhaps, but perhaps not.
    Plus, I'm with Steve on this one. Her trauma, whatever it's nature, was being handled well by her support group. And then an outsider with an agenda came along and plucked her out and exploited her.

    Erdely has been called out in print at the cville paper by four of the others profiled as having lied about them. Emily Renda, one of the four, said she was portrayed as a party person Erdely happened upon on Rugby Road who didn't report or share her rape because she wanted to gain some social status, a "social climbing alcoholic" in Renda's words.
    In reality, she has been extremely vocal and is an activist on campus and wrote for the Huffington Post.

    Sara Surface, another rape survivor, went further and likened Erdely's treatment of her and the others to an amputation. "We've lost our innocence and our ability to ignore this. That said, having a leg chopped off hurts."

    To guess at what Jackie said versus what Erdely put in her mouth seems foolish given all the problems and lies documented.
  27. The oldie but goodie “The Establishment” works just fine. “Cathedral” is from Eric S. Raymond’s essay “The Cathedral and the Bazaar”. Moldbug is a genius programmer, but he’s not a very original thinker outside of that.

  28. @Bill P

    I picked up “The Megaphone” from a comment by Svigor several years ago.

    I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    -Steve Sailer
     
    Kotkin calls it the "Clerisy," which is better than "Cathedral," but that is also too dignified.

    There's "Nomenklatura," but that's probably too foreign. Megaphone is good, but it makes me think of Forrest Gump for some reason. It's a little dated.

    Personally, I've started to lean toward just thinking of them as "Democrats." Can't really think of a more descriptive and accurate term. I mean, if they've all got something in common, that's it, right?

    I’d like “the Cathedral” if it wasn’t, in effect, against Christianity and Western heritage. Christianity built the West:

    “By pacifying social relations, Church and State also created a culture that rewarded men who got ahead through trade and hard work, rather than through force and plunder. It became easier to plan for the future and develop what came to be known as middle-class values: thrift, sobriety, and self-control.”

    I wonder if there’s a fictional religion that could be used instead? Something like e.g. from the Dune books.

    What Steve is doing is about more than Democrats vs. Republicans. It’s on the level of civilizations, not political parties.

  29. Trumpenprole [AKA "Blanco"] says:
    @5371
    I don't know whether or not it was Steve Sailer who introduced the term "the Megaphone", but it's much more appropriate than "the Cathedral", which is popular in some quarters.

    The Cathedral refers to the iron triangle of Academia, Government Bureaucracy, and Infotainment. The unelected permanent bureaucracy takes its marching orders not from congress or the president or the courts, but rather from The Ivy League colleges who proclaim a secular crypto-unitarian religion known as Progressivism. Through papers, thesis, essays, reports, manifestos, and other academic detritus the Theory is promulgated. This is then seized by the bureaucratic laity who mold shape cram push and hammer these doctrines into every possible nook and cranny of government policy until the congregation begs for mercy. Then minitrue (or the megaphone as you put it) swings into action. Their function is to shame to scold, to censure and disparage, to root out and destroy any and all infidels on a twenty four hour newspeak cycle.
    So to answer your question, the Megaphone is and organ of the Cathedral.

    • Replies: @Trumpenprole
    Oops I should have read the rest of the comments before replying.
    , @Steve Sailer
    But why refer to something that's not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?
  30. @Trumpenprole
    The Cathedral refers to the iron triangle of Academia, Government Bureaucracy, and Infotainment. The unelected permanent bureaucracy takes its marching orders not from congress or the president or the courts, but rather from The Ivy League colleges who proclaim a secular crypto-unitarian religion known as Progressivism. Through papers, thesis, essays, reports, manifestos, and other academic detritus the Theory is promulgated. This is then seized by the bureaucratic laity who mold shape cram push and hammer these doctrines into every possible nook and cranny of government policy until the congregation begs for mercy. Then minitrue (or the megaphone as you put it) swings into action. Their function is to shame to scold, to censure and disparage, to root out and destroy any and all infidels on a twenty four hour newspeak cycle.
    So to answer your question, the Megaphone is and organ of the Cathedral.

    Oops I should have read the rest of the comments before replying.

  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    If this turns out to be a false smear… And I suspect it is …Erdrly-Rubin should face consequences

    If I was in that frat, or a representative of UVA I’d love the opportunity to sue her.

    By looking at her past writings and the tone of the article it’s very clear she went in with a pre-conceived agenda… Regardless of the facts, she simply wanted to drag her ideological/ethnic enemies through the mud.

    She shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it.

  32. It’s the kristallnacht of UVA’s reputation.

  33. @Trumpenprole
    The Cathedral refers to the iron triangle of Academia, Government Bureaucracy, and Infotainment. The unelected permanent bureaucracy takes its marching orders not from congress or the president or the courts, but rather from The Ivy League colleges who proclaim a secular crypto-unitarian religion known as Progressivism. Through papers, thesis, essays, reports, manifestos, and other academic detritus the Theory is promulgated. This is then seized by the bureaucratic laity who mold shape cram push and hammer these doctrines into every possible nook and cranny of government policy until the congregation begs for mercy. Then minitrue (or the megaphone as you put it) swings into action. Their function is to shame to scold, to censure and disparage, to root out and destroy any and all infidels on a twenty four hour newspeak cycle.
    So to answer your question, the Megaphone is and organ of the Cathedral.

    But why refer to something that’s not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    But why refer to something that’s not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

     

    Because 'The Cathedral' captures the religious essence of leftism, i.e. how it's a long-running congeries of Christian heresies that requires faith, sinners, the elect, redemption, and an eschaton.

    I agree, though, that using this term is unfortunate in how it degrades the real church and real cathedrals, which are among the greatest triumphs of human aesthetic creation.
    , @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Indeed. And why use one of the greatest symbols of European culture as a stand-in for a particular Protestant sect in the Northeast corner of the New World?
  34. @Steve Sailer
    But why refer to something that's not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

    But why refer to something that’s not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

    Because ‘The Cathedral’ captures the religious essence of leftism, i.e. how it’s a long-running congeries of Christian heresies that requires faith, sinners, the elect, redemption, and an eschaton.

    I agree, though, that using this term is unfortunate in how it degrades the real church and real cathedrals, which are among the greatest triumphs of human aesthetic creation.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Instead of "The Cathedral", why not just use the term "NWO"?
    , @Jack D
    Except most of the things you mention are more characteristic of Calvinism and Calvinists don't do cathedral churches.

    I think the Cathedral comes to mind because you have an orthodox doctrine which everyone must subscribe to, heretics, an Inquisition to root out the slightest deviation from orthodox belief (he "liked" the wrong person on Facebook!"), an Index Librorum Prohibitorum, (symbolic) burning at the stake, etc. It's not a coincidence that Wolfe called his book "Bonfire of the Vanities".

    The Cathedral may be Catholic in its methods but Protestant in its goals - the establishment of a Shining City upon a Hill, a paradise on Earth.

    Of course the methods are not really "Catholic" per se, they are characteristic of totalitarians everywhere. If the reward is as big as Utopia, then all means are justified to achieve that. If you roll over a few "innocents" by mistake, it's no big deal - they were probably sinners anyway and in any case their example will discourage others from committing sin.
  35. I just realized what this story has been reminding me of all along: the saga of Alicia Esteve Head, aka Tania Head, a purported 9/11 survivor from Spain and prominent media figure who rose to the presidency of the World Trade Center Survivors’ Network before being found out for the fraud she was:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Esteve_Head

    A very good documentary about her, The Woman Who Wasn’t There, is or at least was available on Netflix.

    Anyway, the putative victim’s vocal advocacy and failure to produce any evidence in this case are strongly reminiscent of Head’s behavior. In fact, the two women strike me as so very similar in what I know of their behavior that I now doubt Jackie’s story pretty much from start to finish.

  36. “Randall”. L-O-L.

    A good ole boy name. From Hazzard County maybe? Randall Floyd (friends with notorious sexual predator Wooderson). Randall Flagg! Satan himself!

    A lot of young women love gothic horror. Many write fan fiction. Some have sexual fantasies they wouldn’t necessarily care to admit to (yes, Roissy stuff). All seek attention of one sort or anothet. I don’t think we’re looking at much more than an ‘intersection’ of these four things.

    Ms Rubin is probably more than a little worried right now. She’s right to be.

    And please, “rape culture” should always have scare quotes. Unless we’re talking about parts of the world and specific communities where rape really is a culture (NAMland, the parts of Britain enriched by the Pakistanis, etc).

  37. Bradley about Steve
    http://www.richardbradley.net/shotsinthedark/2009/11/19/gladwell-and-pinker-cross-swords/

    Gladwell and Pinker Cross Swords

    After Steven Pinker trashed Malcolm Gladwell in the NYTBR, the two public intellectuals fight write it out in the Times via dueling letters. Whose is longer?

    Here’s Gladwell:

    I wondered about the basis of Pinker’s conclusion, so I e-mailed him, asking if he could tell me where to find the scientific data that would set me straight. He very graciously wrote me back. He had three sources, he said. The first was Steve Sailer. Sailer, for the uninitiated, is a California blogger with a market research background who is perhaps best known for his belief that black people are intellectually inferior to white people….

    And Pinker:

    What Malcolm Gladwell calls a “lonely ice floe” is what psychologists call “the mainstream.”

    In this exchange, I have to give the advantage to Gladwell, because Pinker a) should never have relied upon the work of a racist, as Gladwell pretty clearly implies, and b) in his response Pinker never addresses that little problem. Whoops.

    Here’s Steve Sailer’s blog. How interesting—you heard it here first—that Sailer…

    “…interviewed [Pinker] in 2002 during his book tour for his bestseller The Blank Slate. It didn’t fully register upon me at the time, but what has stuck with me the longest is Pinker’s concept that “mental effort seems to be engaged most with the knife edge at which one finds extreme and radically different consequences with each outcome, but the considerations militating towards each one are close to equal.”

    Whatever that means. But could Pinker really not have known that the guy is—at least according to Gladwell—the Jimmy the Greek of social science bloggers?

    It’s a great fight, though. Here’s Sailer on Gladwell:

    See, what makes Malcolm so successful as a speaker at sales conferences is that he believes his own hype. Many people can smell insincerity, but Malcolm is sincere. He believes whatever he’s peddling, no matter how obviously wrong it is.

    Gentlemen, please don’t stop. Next think you know, you’re going to make the New York Times Book Review worth reading.

  38. Steve,

    I see what you’re saying. On closer examination, it’s a sloppy attempt to use the Establishment’s anti-clericalism to turn it against itself. Likewise Kotkin’s “clerisy.” Ironically, many of us who’ve used the term in fact hold the historical clerisy in highish regard, allowing for the inevitable fallibility of all human institutions over time. My namesake stuck with it in exactly that understanding.

    A better term is needed.

  39. I kind of get “Cathedral”. Grand, immovable, monolithic, all-powerful, not to be questioned. Although an explicitly Christian term for something that is, ahem, not really all that Christian in character does jar.

    Didn’t Steve actually refer to Obama as the Kwisatz Haderach once? I think so but my memory is failing me. Hillary as a Bene Gesserit sort of works. Rove, Axelrod etc as purple-lipped mentats. I don’t see an obvious alternative for “cathedral” in the Dune universe though.

  40. Dahlia says:
    @GW
    It couldn't have been that bad, since the Charlottesville PD has never received a formal complaint about any rape or sexual impropriety occuring at Phi Psi that night, from "Jackie" or anyone else. If something terrible, that is illegal, happened to Jackie then let her report it to the authorities. Until that happens, her character deserves close scrutiny.

    By all accounts it was Jackie--not Erdely--who named Phi Psi specifically, causing the hellfire which has rained upon the frat. It was Jackie who didn't provide the identity of the alleged rapists, or at the very least wouldn't allow them to be released.

    Perhaps, but perhaps not.
    Plus, I’m with Steve on this one. Her trauma, whatever it’s nature, was being handled well by her support group. And then an outsider with an agenda came along and plucked her out and exploited her.

    Erdely has been called out in print at the cville paper by four of the others profiled as having lied about them. Emily Renda, one of the four, said she was portrayed as a party person Erdely happened upon on Rugby Road who didn’t report or share her rape because she wanted to gain some social status, a “social climbing alcoholic” in Renda’s words.
    In reality, she has been extremely vocal and is an activist on campus and wrote for the Huffington Post.

    Sara Surface, another rape survivor, went further and likened Erdely’s treatment of her and the others to an amputation. “We’ve lost our innocence and our ability to ignore this. That said, having a leg chopped off hurts.”

    To guess at what Jackie said versus what Erdely put in her mouth seems foolish given all the problems and lies documented.

  41. It has to do with the purpose of a cathedral, which is to house a bishop’s chair Latin “cathedra” and for him to be a source of knowledge and judgement for the lower clerics and the lay. It is a pretty accurate analogy to the position of the media of but requires that the listener appreciate the pre reformation history of our society

  42. @The Last Real Calvinist

    But why refer to something that’s not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

     

    Because 'The Cathedral' captures the religious essence of leftism, i.e. how it's a long-running congeries of Christian heresies that requires faith, sinners, the elect, redemption, and an eschaton.

    I agree, though, that using this term is unfortunate in how it degrades the real church and real cathedrals, which are among the greatest triumphs of human aesthetic creation.

    Instead of “The Cathedral”, why not just use the term “NWO”?

  43. Slightly OT: for those who need more fake rape stories, I suggest you revisit the Group of 88 and the Duke Lacrosse Smear at the great Durham-in-Wonderland blog.

    You will get to see how the Cathedral gets out the Narrative via the Megaphone. I really do think Moldbug was spot on in appropriating the Cathedral for what our la cosa nostra rails against . . .

  44. “our la cosa nostra”

    Yes yes. I know it translates to “our our thing.” Gods knows, the hoi polloi don’t care for that kind of thing. Leave me alone! It’s not nice to mess with the Holy Spirit!

  45. @The Last Real Calvinist

    But why refer to something that’s not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

     

    Because 'The Cathedral' captures the religious essence of leftism, i.e. how it's a long-running congeries of Christian heresies that requires faith, sinners, the elect, redemption, and an eschaton.

    I agree, though, that using this term is unfortunate in how it degrades the real church and real cathedrals, which are among the greatest triumphs of human aesthetic creation.

    Except most of the things you mention are more characteristic of Calvinism and Calvinists don’t do cathedral churches.

    I think the Cathedral comes to mind because you have an orthodox doctrine which everyone must subscribe to, heretics, an Inquisition to root out the slightest deviation from orthodox belief (he “liked” the wrong person on Facebook!”), an Index Librorum Prohibitorum, (symbolic) burning at the stake, etc. It’s not a coincidence that Wolfe called his book “Bonfire of the Vanities”.

    The Cathedral may be Catholic in its methods but Protestant in its goals – the establishment of a Shining City upon a Hill, a paradise on Earth.

    Of course the methods are not really “Catholic” per se, they are characteristic of totalitarians everywhere. If the reward is as big as Utopia, then all means are justified to achieve that. If you roll over a few “innocents” by mistake, it’s no big deal – they were probably sinners anyway and in any case their example will discourage others from committing sin.

  46. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    Why are a bunch of rape victims unwilling to report the incident to the authorities?

    It could be they were indeed victimized but did really stupid things to put themselves in such situations.

    In the courtroom they will be questioned, and info will come out that they were partly complicit in the incident than pure-as-snow victims. They were, to some degree, partners-in-crime who stupidly played with fire before getting burned.

    It’s like the woman in HOUSE OF GAMES didn’t report to the police what happened. Yes, she was robbed and ‘mind-raped’–and even seduced and sexually taken advantage of–, but she led herself into the trap and she was complicit in the transgressive act… before it victimized and humiliated her.

    I think young women are turned on by transgressive guys and partly identify with their element of dare-and-thrill. They join in for the excitement forgetting that they could be the prey.
    This dynamic exists among men too. Think of how Richard Dreyfus in American Graffiti seeks the approval of thugs, indeed going so far as to help them rob a store(owned by a man who likes him) and rigging a cop car.

    You feel flattered that the thrilling ‘bad boys’ took you under their wing and overlook the fact you could be their next meal.
    And when it finally happens, you’re too embarrassed to report it to the cops since you’ve been made a total fool. Same dynamic in BOYS DON’T CRY.

    It’s like Jeff Daniels is loathe to report to the cops in SOMETHING WILD because he foolishly played with fire and essentially got man-raped.

    It’s one thing to be a pure noble victim but many victims are partly complicit in the fire that burned them. Even if the law regards them as victim, public opinion will see them as idiots, fools, tards, or opportunists. And many people fear negative opinion more than the thugs walking free.

    Also, pity for victim also comes with an element of contempt. We look down on losers, and victims are losers.
    It’s like Teresa’s pity for Angel in THE WILD BUNCH soon gives into laughing contempt.
    In THE COUNSELOR, the man is a victim, but he too played a very dangerous game thinking he would never be burned by it. And his shame and fear at the end just force him to accept his fate of being man-raped.

  47. Heresies don’t have cathedrals.

  48. Moldbug was a somewhat entertaining essayist but his insights into culture and contemporary insanity are flat. They suffer from too much modeling. The dynamics of power and culture and history and strife will not be reduced to an equation in a computer program. (Or maybe they will?)

    In any case The Cathedral as a central metaphor had its run and forget it. As a metaphor it contains a nine-hundred pound elephant with a large schnoz and is unforgivable for that.

    For awhile i was pushing, as a descriptor for the organizing principle of dysfunctional post modern insanity, Unintentional Superstructure, and i think that is good. Things are unintentional, which is the very why they are opposed to what our better halves would have. It is a superstructure that guides the formation of all of our thoughts. It is a superstructure whose design is bureaucratic which is to say without windows. Somehow that superstructure reflects the humans who are its components and it is their flaws writ large.

    An aspiring transcendent metaphor is the temple. How it is that the cathedral (not the post modern metaphor but the pre modern thing itself, which exists as a building and a metaphor) fell on its face is a good question but one which there is no need to get hung up on.

    This is a five-paragraph essay.

  49. “The article calls her ‘militantly Jewish’ and links to another article where she is mentioned taking her children to a Jewish identity day camp. ”

    I’d like to see her reaction to a story about the ritual murder of a Christian child in order to flavor the matzoh at a seder. Even if the facts can’t be confirmed (because, don’t you know, the witness is too scared–those people are powerful, you know–to provide verifiable details such as the names of the people at the seder), the story would be valuable as an illustration of what we “know” happens all the time.

  50. “”Rubin Erdely says that one of the men, “Randall,” would not talk to her, “citing his loyalty to his own frat.””

    “That answer has bugged me ever since I read it; unless his frat was Phi Psi and the friend is a real shit, it doesn’t make much sense. But we can reasonably assume his frat wasn’t Phi Psi; Randall was apparently a freshman at the time (he’s worried about not getting invited to frat parties) and it’s hard to imagine he would have subsequently pledged a frat where his best friend was gang-raped. (If it was Phi Psi, Rubin Erdely should have said so.) ”

    If he was a first-year (U-Va doesn’t use freshman, sophomore, etc) then he wasn’t in a fraternity at all. U-Va does not have fraternity rush in the fall. Randall would be a first year hoping to join a fraternity the next semester.

    Either he wasn’t in a fraternity, he wasn’t a first year, the rape didn’t take place in the fall, or he didn’t exist. Which lie is which Rubin?

  51. @Steve Sailer
    But why refer to something that's not beautiful by the name of something that is beautiful?

    Indeed. And why use one of the greatest symbols of European culture as a stand-in for a particular Protestant sect in the Northeast corner of the New World?

  52. I’ve never understood “the Cathedral.” Why attack something by comparing it to a beautiful building?

    The cover story, which Curtis Yarvin’s sperg patrol has not yet managed to trot out, is from The Cathedral and the Bazaar.

    Given how popular the term has turned out to be, I’d say it has a bunch of things going for it. First, it is Christian and, so, fits in with Yarvin’s rather spastic, emotional desire to distract attention from the Scots Irish to “Puritans.” It would work better if Puritans built Cathedrals, of course, but Yarvin is an 80/20 kind of guy ( . . . can get it 80% right in 20% of the time). Second, it enables a kind of Peewee Herman, “I know you are but what am I” pre-comeback against claims that they are religious conservatives—it being the most importantest thing in the world to distance yourself from those people. This motive should not be underestimated. Libertarians are obsessed with distancing themselves from religion while hysterically denying that the question interests them. This is analogous to liberals’ obsession with demonstrating their high IQ while hysterically denying that IQ exists. Third, it is a kind of signal that, although many parts of Whig History are to be dispensed with, the core rejection of the authentic West for the thin, machine-oil-tinged, gruel of Enlightenment “thought” is to be kept. Fourth, it signals to the guys who own the media that Yarvin is a good egg, even if a little over-enthusiastic about certain things. I mean, he’s named the Satan of his dreamworld after the Catholic Church. So, he’s, you know, one of us. Fifth and not coincidentally, the guys he hopes to be pitching to (Silicon Valley bigwigs) aren’t exactly fans of organized religion.

    You have to understand how problematic things are for Yarvin’s spergs. It has turned out that religious people are right about pretty much everything and that the Enlightenment types the patrol identify with are wrong about just about everything. How do you both embrace these facts while denying them? Well, you name the quintessential Enlightenment institutional structure, university-media-bureaucracy, after its exact opposite, the Church. Problem solved! On to making Magic: The Gathering cards and telling CEOs that the only real problem with the world is that they aren’t king.

  53. Why not “The Synagogue”?

  54. I suggest “the Politeburo”.

  55. Beer bottle was used!!

    Beer Bottle Putsch.

  56. I agree, as I mentioned above, that the Cathedral is far from ideal.

    I think ‘The Inquisition’ would be suitably ‘religious’, evokes the right whiff of heresy, and describes more accurately the left’s goals and methods.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The Inquisition"

    I like that.

  57. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I agree, as I mentioned above, that the Cathedral is far from ideal.

    I think 'The Inquisition' would be suitably 'religious', evokes the right whiff of heresy, and describes more accurately the left's goals and methods.

    “The Inquisition”

    I like that.

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    I prefer Moldy's other coinage "the Polygon".
  58. @Steve Sailer
    "The Inquisition"

    I like that.

    I prefer Moldy’s other coinage “the Polygon“.

  59. ‘The Inquisition’ also evokes the power the universities, the press, and the other day-to-day enforcers of the Narrative have over individual lives.

    The bishops — i.e. politicians — do make decisions that affect us, but they are remote from our lives.

    Offending the Inquisitors, on the other hand, can ruin you.

    Also, The Inquisition doesn’t need a single fortress or cathedral for its base of operations; Inquisitors are everywhere among us . . . .

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