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From Reuters:

Israel backs Hungary, says financier Soros is a threat

Mon Jul 10, 2017 | 2:16 PM EDT

By Luke Baker | JERUSALEM

Israel’s foreign ministry has issued a statement denouncing U.S. billionaire George Soros, a move that appeared designed to align Israel more closely with Hungary ahead of a visit to Budapest next week by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Soros, a Hungarian-born Jew who has spent a large part of his fortune funding pro-democracy and human rights groups, has repeatedly been targeted by Hungary’s right-wing government, in particular over his support for more open immigration.

In the latest case, Prime Minister Viktor Orban has backed a campaign in which Soros is singled out as an enemy of the state. “Let’s not allow Soros to have the last laugh” say billboards next to a picture of the 86-year-old investor, a campaign that Jewish groups and others say foments anti-Semitism.

… Israel’s ambassador to Hungary issued a statement denouncing the campaign, saying it “evokes sad memories but also sows hatred and fear”, an apparent reference to Hungary’s part in the deportation of 500,000 Jews during the Holocaust.

But hours after the ambassador made his comments over the weekend, Israel’s foreign ministry issued a “clarification” saying that Soros was a legitimate target for criticism.

“In no way was the statement (by the ambassador) meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments,” said foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon, adding that Soros funded organizations “that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself”. …

Like Hungary, Israel has passed legislation that seeks to limit the influence of non-governmental organizations that receive a large portion of their funding from abroad. …

The strong ties between Netanyahu and Orban have raised eyebrows in the European Union, where Orban is regarded as an illiberal maverick. His party has curtailed press freedom and stymied EU efforts to tackle the migrant crisis.

Hungary has held discussions with Israel about purchasing security fences to keep migrants out, while Israel has sought better ties with countries that it hopes will take its side in any EU discussions where Israel is criticized.

(Additional reporting by Marton Dunai in Budapest; Writing by Luke Baker; editing by Ralph Boulton)

 
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  1. Ed says:

    For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West. In regards to Israel a more nationalist West is in her best interests for a myriad of reasons.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: We can learn a lot from the Israelis:
    - Border wall? Check.
    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
    - Proudly being an ethnically-based nation with no apologies? Check.
    - Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check.

    They know what they're doing. Follow the leader.
    , @Anonymous
    This would have meant something if it had happened 12 months ago. Right now Soros is tainted by association with a failed cause and nobody wants to be associated with him.
    , @Thea
    Liberal & neocon American Jews appear to be a different creature then.

    We should emulate Israel but we should not allow people like Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.
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  2. JohnnyD says:

    I’m starting to think that Israel could be useful to European nationalists, like Orban. Whenever they come under fire for not accepting migrants, they can just point to Israel and say, “We just want the same immigration policy Israel has.”

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    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Lot
    "Israel shows strong and secure borders including security walls are compatible with a vibrant and open society."
  3. Hugh says:

    Let’s hope Bibi can share all the shit he has on Sorrows with the DOJ.

    I continue to hope that RICO charges can be brought against him regarding his financing of BLM.

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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    —–For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West.—-

    There’s talk because there is action. Action BY some Jews that undermines the West.

    Gates, Bezos, Slim get slammed for being creepy globalist billionaires. Zuckerberg et al shouldn’t get a free pass because they are Jewish. Let there be talk.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Zuckerberg gets no free passes on iSteve. How long have you been on here? Maybe you are thinking of Marc Zuckerburg, not Mark Zuckerberg - the former gets a free pass solely because of his excellence in comprehensiveness. It's just a coincidence that these two guys are homo...


    [Hold on, the UPS guy is on the porch....]

    Where was I? Oh....

    .... nyms.

    , @republic
    Slim is of Lebanese Christian origins
  5. Alfa158 says:

    “Stymied EU efforts to tackle the migrant crisis”. Those Eastern Europeans sure do have a history of frustrating the good intentions of the German government. I’ve read in history books how the Red Army stymied the Wehrmacht’s efforts to tackle the Operation Barbarossa crisis.

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  6. Tim says:

    See,

    Just when you think the Jews are all about throwing the West under the bus, they do something like this. That’s why I actually admire the Jews: they’re contentious, they KNOW they’re better than us, but they can certainly see the forest through the trees, and they know what right looks like.

    They’re not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

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    • Replies: @republic
    I am no fan of Israel, but one good thing about the place is that they have actually put a former
    President and Prime Minister into jail!
    , @Clyde

    They’re not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.
     
    And the Muslims that surround them keep them mentally sharp and on top of their game. Their high tech oriented economy is booming. They always have to be ready for wartime shared sacrifice = national cohesiveness. I will say that the Euro_Eloi_chumps who were always ragging on the Jews for being too tough on Palestinians...At least they walked the walk and invited millions of Islamic and African (they often overlap) pests into Germany, Sweden and Europe. I will give them credit for practicing what they preached to besieged Jews of Israel circa 2002-2010 before Hillary helped Syria, Libya blow themselves up./ This massive Arab Spring, Muslim on Muslim bloodletting put the Israeli-Palestinian wars and disputes into correct perspective.
    , @Lagertha
    I was under the impression that American Jews don't like Netanyahu...bc he is such a macho nationalist! And, that currently, there is a divide between the conservative and more wishy-washy, SJW Jews in Israel. But, heck, I've never understood Israel's machinations...except, I keep hearing that there is this divide, and, that Zionists in particular, are so frustrated with Trump & the nationalism of eastern European countries. The tug-of-war is so annoying since the damage from migrants, or worse...nuclear war, can not be reversed. I knew stuff would get bad the minute the drums started beating for Iraq after 9/11.

    It is kind of stunning that all the networks, papers, pundits, journalists, think tank minions still can't see that the American public knows they have been duped by both parties. It is so cringe-worthy every time one of these elitists asks: Why are people sticking with Trump? The funny part is, it is impossible to take him down...everyone knows the consequences.

    Oh, and every time the annoying Pope starts pontificating, I just wanna punch him in the face :) It's like he wants to be a player...but realizes he is wearing white robes and can't act like a thug or combatant! It must be killing him.

  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    It’s weird how openness to mass immigration trumps democracy in the hierarchy of “Western values”. Soros’s “Open Society” foundations ostensibly promote government accountability. What’s more accountable than a government like Hungary’s, which is implementing its people’s wishes on limiting immigration?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Soros’s “Open Society” foundations ostensibly promote government accountability
     
    Ostensibly.
  8. Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host. Preventing the death of a civilized Europe is in its best interests. On the other hand, Soros and the international elites would reluctantly sacrifice the safety of Israel for the chance to mortally damage and humiliate the west.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    8 The 99.8 percent > Soros and the international elites would reluctantly sacrifice the safety of Israel


    I have not seen any evidence of "reluctance"


    By the way, it hurts my feelings that (unwashed-masses fraction of) the iSteve commentariat is pushing Orban to plagiarize iSteve's great sayings.
    , @Bay Area Guy
    Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host.

    Exactly. I know that Netanyahu recently forged ties with India's Narendra Modi; but there's no way in hell India - or any other non-Western country - will countenance a "special relationship" kind of arrangement the way the US (or, to a smaller extent, the EU) does.

    Israel needs the West a lot more than vice versa - and Israelis know it.
  9. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Soros, a Hungarian-born Jew who has spent a large part of his fortune funding pro-democracy and human rights groups,

    No quotes around ‘pro-democracy’ and ‘human rights’?

    The current Hungarian regime is the result of democracy against globalist oligarchy.

    And when has Soros shown any concern for human rights violations like US wars on Libya and aid to terrorists in Syria? When did Soros condemn the toppling of democratically elected government in Ukraine?

    Fake News all around.

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  10. Lot says:
    @JohnnyD
    I'm starting to think that Israel could be useful to European nationalists, like Orban. Whenever they come under fire for not accepting migrants, they can just point to Israel and say, "We just want the same immigration policy Israel has."

    “Israel shows strong and secure borders including security walls are compatible with a vibrant and open society.”

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  11. Jake says:

    Is Israel finally waking up fully and realizing that the anti-white Christian/pro-everything else double standard allowed to proceed will mean eventual destruction of Israel by brown Moslems allied with blacks?

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Why do you suppose Muslims and blacks would be more likely to destroy Israel than whites would be? If we suppose that potentially destroying Israel is some function of ability and will, then obviously whites have much greater ability such that even if we posit less will, it's not clear which would be more likely.
    , @International Jew

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.
     
    Ha! Shows how little you know about Israel and leftist Jews.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    And what are going to do with the 20% brown Jews, throw them under the bus? Remember this, a Jew will never disown one of his own and before he entertains the notion, he will set the goy world on fire... any questions?
  12. Lot says:

    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

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    • Replies: @eah
    I hope your anxiety does not go so far as to actually be worried about him dying -- I think this might be an instance of what's known as a 'Catch-22'.
    , @WorkingClass
    Not to worry. Soros, like Cheney, has a deal with the devil and will never be completely dead.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    When ultra-rich right-wingers die, their fortune ends up in the hands of their usually left-wing offspring, who use it to fund far-left causes. If Henry Ford had known what the Ford Foundation was going to do with the fortune he created, he'd have piled up all the money and burned it. If John D. MacArthur had known that his fortune would be distributed to the likes of T' Genius Coates, he would have done likewise. Examples abound.
    , @Art Deco
    We're likely less in danger if it's in the hands of common-and-gardenl NGO apparatchiks than we are if it's in the hands of a canny operator like Soros. Recall that Barack Obama (sometime law instructor and sometime small practice lawyer) was seriously considered for a handsomely compensated position running the Joyce Foundation in Chicago.
    , @Desiderius
    That might be enough to kill them off, though it would probably take 25-30.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    So, what's the big deal? Who is stopping other Jews from supporting the opposite side? Unless, there isn't a single Jew who is truly conservative and come think of it, there aren't any... oh, well!
  13. eah says:

    “LOL”

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    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970
  14. eah says:
    @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    I hope your anxiety does not go so far as to actually be worried about him dying — I think this might be an instance of what’s known as a ‘Catch-22′.

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  15. I think if Soros sent one of his one of his rubber landing craft into Israel instead of Italy, the Israelis would sink it before it got within a mile of hitting shore. From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?
     
    Actually, I would think Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates would be pretty good places for this purpose. And given that they are muslim countries, they should be happy to help out their brother muslims (right?). Steve has often brought this up. I have never heard this mentioned in media discussions on the syrian refugee crisis.
    , @HogHappenin
    Well considering Israel has played it's part alongside Saudi Arabia and Turkey (not to mention Uncle Sam and their oh so moderate rebels) in breaking the once beautiful country of Syria, they sure deserve the Karma! At least the Turks took in many

    But hay, they are the chosen ones running the show in DC behind the scenes and since they don't have much of a beef with the Saudis nor do the Saudis have much of a beef with the Zionists, we know this ain't happenin.

  16. Buddha says:

    Security assistance is a step to population control. Hungary is one country on the list. Security fences are only the physical side that journalists may see. They do not see computer files on each Hungarian citizen. Woe to all who fail to recognize the threats.

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    • Replies: @englishmike

    Security assistance is a step to population control. ...computer files on each Hungarian citizen.
     
    What? They spy on their own citizens?
    Good thing that never happens in the USA.
    Or in the UK.
  17. Good for Israel, and good for Hungary.
    It would indeed be bigoted to target Soros because he is Jewish, but there is no bigotry in targeting him because he is an anal pore.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you Rosamond. I learn new stuff on here every day. I never knew what an anal pore was until your comment.
  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “In no way was the statement (by the ambassador) meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments,” said foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon, adding that Soros funded organizations “that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself”. …

    What if Soros had not tried to undermine Israel’s democratically elected governments? Would the ambassador’s initial statement still stand? In others would Hungary or anyone else be allowed to criticize such a Jewish figure if the Israelis deemed that person no threat to them? It seems like Hungary is getting a pass here only because Netanyahu’s government doesn’t like Soros either.

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  19. Moses says:
    @Ed
    For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West. In regards to Israel a more nationalist West is in her best interests for a myriad of reasons.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: We can learn a lot from the Israelis:
    - Border wall? Check.
    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
    - Proudly being an ethnically-based nation with no apologies? Check.
    - Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check.

    They know what they’re doing. Follow the leader.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
     
    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve's concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel's equivalent of America's WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.
    , @Moshe
    Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check."

    Ah, that hasn't been the case wince Ben Gurion left office 50 years ago and it CERTAINLY isn't the case bow.

    Ah, If only...!

    Also, one thing Jews do NOT do and have never ever ever ever done, since Moses as the Bible makes bloodily clear, is "follow the leader".

    If only we had such principles there would have been successful rebellions and an organized attack on the Nazis from withon and without.

    Ubfortunately, aside for the short-lived Beitar and Etzel, Jews do not follow the leader.

    For an example from the Holocaust Era on America read the last section of Ben Hecht's autobio "A Child of the Century".

    For other examples, well just talk to a jew.
  20. eah says:
    @eah
    "LOL"

    https://twitter.com/FamesBlond/status/884621255260950530

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    • Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship".
    That's a disgrace. Why is this allowed?
    , @biz
    Stupid. That's just a random list of Jewish elected and appointed officials from 15 years ago. Probably zero of them hold dual citizenship. John Bolton is not even Jewish.
    , @Mr. Anon
    That list would be more convincing if it were true. John Bolton is a citizen of Israel? News to me. Probably to him too. That list seems to be simply a list of people in government who are Jews (or who are John Bolton); not people with dual citizenship.
    , @Art Deco
    That's a list of Jews who've held appointments in the foreign relations apparat at some point in the last 50 years and some Jewish members of Congress (along with a scatter of others). If you fancy the assembler took the time to actually verify whether or not any of them carry an Israeli passport, ask yourself what John Bolton is doing on the list.
    , @Moshe
    I FON'T EVEN HAVE TO CLICK ON YOUR LIST TO KNOW THAT IT HAS NUMEROUS FALSE POSITIVES.

    I have been alive long enough to know how these things work.

    If I am wrong I will spend 3 hours this week volunteering for the charity or cause of your choice.

    If I am right you should rethink your beliefs and, more importantly, say, "Moshe, you were right. You understand these things better than I do. I am humbled and will double check my assumptions."

    Needless to say, if you claim to have researched the list and believe it fully accurate then I will publicly offer that apology.
  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jake
    Is Israel finally waking up fully and realizing that the anti-white Christian/pro-everything else double standard allowed to proceed will mean eventual destruction of Israel by brown Moslems allied with blacks?

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.

    Why do you suppose Muslims and blacks would be more likely to destroy Israel than whites would be? If we suppose that potentially destroying Israel is some function of ability and will, then obviously whites have much greater ability such that even if we posit less will, it’s not clear which would be more likely.

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  22. Whiskey says: • Website

    Soros has been trying to get Israel’s border fences torn down for years, has funded Palestinians, and has plenty of rich, urban, professional followers like the Conductor of Israel’s national symphony orchestra who wants Open Borders and and essentially abolishment of Israel in favor of a Muslim state.

    This goes beyond virtue signaling because the security margin in Israel is very thin; they are surrounded by Muslims who want to kill every and all Jew they can no matter what their ideology and support. This is pushed by the very bad situation Western women are in. Nazi porn is a big thing in Israel, and most of the consumers are women. That right there tells you something.

    Soros has been the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas backer from day one, so no wonder not just Bibi but most of his government hates hates hates him; while the professional diplomatic corp loves loves loves him like they do Barack the Magic Negro and various other figures.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Whiskey im not denying what you're saying....

    But where did you hear nazi porn is huge in Israel....& that Israeli women are into it?
  23. Steve you big dummy you are missing the obvious point of this story: Israel is anti-semitic.

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    • Replies: @JL
    I doubt Israel cares one wit about Jews who live outside of Israel, or aren't Israeli citizens. And, indeed, why should it? This is especially amusing considering how many American, and other, Jews are just falling all over themselves to be Israel's useful idiots. And their dual loyalties leave them justifiably vulnerable in their home countries. Jews have no more loyalty to one another than they do to anyone else, despite outward appearance indicating otherwise. Those Jews who do believe otherwise will inevitably and deservedly get thrown under the bus.
  24. Karl says:
    @The 99.8 percent
    Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host. Preventing the death of a civilized Europe is in its best interests. On the other hand, Soros and the international elites would reluctantly sacrifice the safety of Israel for the chance to mortally damage and humiliate the west.

    8 The 99.8 percent > Soros and the international elites would reluctantly sacrifice the safety of Israel

    I have not seen any evidence of “reluctance”

    By the way, it hurts my feelings that (unwashed-masses fraction of) the iSteve commentariat is pushing Orban to plagiarize iSteve’s great sayings.

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  25. Mr. Anon says:
    @Prof. Woland
    I think if Soros sent one of his one of his rubber landing craft into Israel instead of Italy, the Israelis would sink it before it got within a mile of hitting shore. From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?

    From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?

    Actually, I would think Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates would be pretty good places for this purpose. And given that they are muslim countries, they should be happy to help out their brother muslims (right?). Steve has often brought this up. I have never heard this mentioned in media discussions on the syrian refugee crisis.

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    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    Actually, I would think Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates would be pretty good places for this purpose.

     

    Taking immigrants with the same Muslim religion does not increase diversity. It would be like when Americans wanted to take in only Protestants and rejected Catholics and Jews. That was racism, prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, eugenics, and was literally Hitler.

    Immigrants should go to the country they are most incompatible with and where they will cause the most trouble with the natives in order to have the most Democracy. For Muslims the ideal destination is Israel.
  26. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It's weird how openness to mass immigration trumps democracy in the hierarchy of "Western values". Soros's "Open Society" foundations ostensibly promote government accountability. What's more accountable than a government like Hungary's, which is implementing its people's wishes on limiting immigration?

    Soros’s “Open Society” foundations ostensibly promote government accountability

    Ostensibly.

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  27. @Prof. Woland
    I think if Soros sent one of his one of his rubber landing craft into Israel instead of Italy, the Israelis would sink it before it got within a mile of hitting shore. From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?

    Well considering Israel has played it’s part alongside Saudi Arabia and Turkey (not to mention Uncle Sam and their oh so moderate rebels) in breaking the once beautiful country of Syria, they sure deserve the Karma! At least the Turks took in many

    But hay, they are the chosen ones running the show in DC behind the scenes and since they don’t have much of a beef with the Saudis nor do the Saudis have much of a beef with the Zionists, we know this ain’t happenin.

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  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Moses
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: We can learn a lot from the Israelis:
    - Border wall? Check.
    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
    - Proudly being an ethnically-based nation with no apologies? Check.
    - Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check.

    They know what they're doing. Follow the leader.

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.

    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve’s concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel’s equivalent of America’s WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.
     
    The original comment to which you responded referred to Israel disallowing immigration from dissimilar groups, not accommodating those who are already there.

    So does Israel allow Arab immigration? If so, is it a material amount? Does it threaten the demographic balance of the nation?
    , @IHTG
    The current Israeli ruling coalition could be described as a right-wing "Coalition of the Fringes".

    Netanyahu himself combines traits of both Trump (occasionally boneheaded masculine braggadocio, hostility to traditional media) and Clinton (prefers to avoid the spotlight, distrustful control freak, controversial politically-engaged spouse). I'd say he was more purely like Trump earlier in his career, during his first stint as PM. Unlike Trump, he was young enough to evolve.

    Netanyahu also seems to be "woke" on demographic questions in a way that even other Israeli right-wing leaders aren't. It's a mistake to assume that all Israeli elites are equally wary of things like refugee resettlement. In particular, the Israeli religious right is more open to such ideas because they're fond of the idea of getting involved in righteous wars. And perhaps because they have large families, they don't feel as much demographic fear as secular Likudniks do.

    , @Art Deco
    Ashkenazi Jews are Israel’s equivalent of America’s WASPs and other high-achieving groups,

    Old stock (white) Americans amount to about 35% of the population of the United States and they're not (taken collectively) particularly 'high-achieving'. Somewhat north of a quarter of Israel's Jewish population is Ashkenazic. They have higher aggregate performance than Sephardic an Oriental Jews, but no population segment that proportionately large is going to be 'high-achieving'. About 15% of Israel's population is mixed Jewish.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Sephardic Jews, lower performing? Are you kidding? Heinrich Graetz, clearly delineates in his six volume history of Jews, how after the Inquisition, the Jews of Iberia after having settled in the Netherlands, were the driving force behind the world commence while the much touted Ashkenazi were 'living it up' in shtetls of Germany. Anecdotally, Goldman Sachs, the banker of the world which is no exaggeration, on its website has two language options for their rich clients... would you like to guess what is the second language after English? It isn't Chinese, it's Portuguese... Don't confuse the Mizrahim with the Shephardim!
  29. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
     
    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve's concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel's equivalent of America's WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    The original comment to which you responded referred to Israel disallowing immigration from dissimilar groups, not accommodating those who are already there.

    So does Israel allow Arab immigration? If so, is it a material amount? Does it threaten the demographic balance of the nation?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Israel's biggest current source of immigrants are from France.

    At what point will Israel be nicer than France for random white Frenchmen with a single Jewish grandparent they don't remember the way it was for many Russians in the 1990s? Maybe 2025?
  30. Neoconned says:
    @Whiskey
    Soros has been trying to get Israel's border fences torn down for years, has funded Palestinians, and has plenty of rich, urban, professional followers like the Conductor of Israel's national symphony orchestra who wants Open Borders and and essentially abolishment of Israel in favor of a Muslim state.

    This goes beyond virtue signaling because the security margin in Israel is very thin; they are surrounded by Muslims who want to kill every and all Jew they can no matter what their ideology and support. This is pushed by the very bad situation Western women are in. Nazi porn is a big thing in Israel, and most of the consumers are women. That right there tells you something.

    Soros has been the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas backer from day one, so no wonder not just Bibi but most of his government hates hates hates him; while the professional diplomatic corp loves loves loves him like they do Barack the Magic Negro and various other figures.

    Whiskey im not denying what you’re saying….

    But where did you hear nazi porn is huge in Israel….& that Israeli women are into it?

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    Come on man, I have Whiskey blocked for a reason.

    Please don't quote whiskey's most far fetched, autistic and disgusting babbles.

    As for the unfortunate bit you insensitively exchanged for my appetite, it exists of course and is also less common that "mature" porn. Do Jew-Haters (especially Jewish ones) -- and whiskey -- enjoy endlessly masturbating over man bites dog anomalies? Yeah. Does it fit reality? Like most major antisem theories, it fits like 9/11 conspiracy theories do. Read a lot about it and it seems undeniable, step back and just be normal and it's obvious that internally motivated kooks may be smart but you're best getting your analysis elsewhere.
  31. @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970

    “List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship”.
    That’s a disgrace. Why is this allowed?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    It isn't. That is just a random list of mostly Bush era Jews, plus John Bolton.
    , @Lurker
    Dreadful. The fact that we need a list shows that there is a problem - there are still some politicians who only have US citizenship. How can they be relied upon?
    , @biz
    Do you mean why is a fake list allowed which contains random Jews from 15 years ago, plus non-Jewish John Bolton, and claims without evidence that they are dual citizens, when in fact none of them are? Because the internet makes people stupid.
    , @eah
    The list is not 100% accurate, that's for sure -- see my reply to commenter biz.
  32. @Buddha
    Security assistance is a step to population control. Hungary is one country on the list. Security fences are only the physical side that journalists may see. They do not see computer files on each Hungarian citizen. Woe to all who fail to recognize the threats.

    Security assistance is a step to population control. …computer files on each Hungarian citizen.

    What? They spy on their own citizens?
    Good thing that never happens in the USA.
    Or in the UK.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Indeed. Diversity makes a police state inevitable in the long run.
  33. I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as “right-wing nationalists”. Soros’ organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Soros funds some of the most vile elements of the left.

    However, these are part of much larger donations that are charitable rather than ideological.

    And he also shows some restraint in not dumping some of his billions directly into political campaigns.

    It is a shame he does not meet and make up with Orban.
    , @anonHUN
    Orban himslef was one of those anti-communists who got financial help from Soros in the 1980s. He identified as a liberal then, later he went more and more nationalist and socially conservative.
    Hungary it was a little different than most other former Communist countries (except Poland and maybe Czechia) in that former Communist didn't remake themselves as "right-wing nationalists". They remade themselves as very pro-EU, pro-Western, (neo)liberal politicians mostly. The ex-commie party (Socialists) are and were mostly anti-nationalist, espousing "European values" in their rhetoric.
    , @Zoodles
    Nations can survive venal and corrupt politicians. They cant survive the systematic replacement of their population. And that is what Soros promotes.
    , @Art Deco
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right.

    He's heavily invested in cultural politics in the United States. His promotional work hasn't been merely ill-judged, it has been actively destructive to the social and cultural fabric. (Black Lives Matter is sorsophere astroturf). This guy's one bad bird. It's also a reasonable inference he does not get any Jew points from the government of Israel because his family were kapos, and he was (by his own admission) a working participant in his father's schemes in 1944-45. Mainstream Republican bloggers (e.g. the Powerline crew) will illustrate posts on Soros with a photoshop of his face on the body of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers; there's good reason for that.
    , @Art Deco
    A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as “right-wing nationalists”.

    If you say so. The 'right-wing nationalist' party in Germany is of recent formation, the Law and Justice Party in Poland was founded in 2001, Fidesz in Hungary was founded as a liberal party in 1989 and gradually took on a more nationalist color (while the national-populist party of that era evaporated in stages), Jobbik in Hungary was founded in 2003, and Attack in Bulgaria was founded in 2005. What there has been of a national-populist strand in the Czech Republic appeared after 1999. The Baltic states have some vigorous national-populist parties, but all but one were founded after 1999 and none were founded in 1989-92. Roumania has had a nationalist dispensation since 1991, but the quondam communist parties provided ample refuge and better opportunities for the careerist. I think what you're describing might have been a thing in Slovakia, Serbia, and Croatia (or did you have Russia in mind?).

    , @neutral

    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right
     
    You answered your question

    idiotic about immigration
     
    There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, more significant than immigration, replacing the population with another foreign one is about as destructive as it gets.
    , @Matra
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right.

    Perhaps because you and Soros agree on Russia?
  34. Lot says:
    @anonymous

    but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.
     
    The original comment to which you responded referred to Israel disallowing immigration from dissimilar groups, not accommodating those who are already there.

    So does Israel allow Arab immigration? If so, is it a material amount? Does it threaten the demographic balance of the nation?

    Israel’s biggest current source of immigrants are from France.

    At what point will Israel be nicer than France for random white Frenchmen with a single Jewish grandparent they don’t remember the way it was for many Russians in the 1990s? Maybe 2025?

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  35. Lot says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    Soros funds some of the most vile elements of the left.

    However, these are part of much larger donations that are charitable rather than ideological.

    And he also shows some restraint in not dumping some of his billions directly into political campaigns.

    It is a shame he does not meet and make up with Orban.

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  36. Lot says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship".
    That's a disgrace. Why is this allowed?

    It isn’t. That is just a random list of mostly Bush era Jews, plus John Bolton.

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  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ed
    For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West. In regards to Israel a more nationalist West is in her best interests for a myriad of reasons.

    This would have meant something if it had happened 12 months ago. Right now Soros is tainted by association with a failed cause and nobody wants to be associated with him.

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  38. Lurker says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship".
    That's a disgrace. Why is this allowed?

    Dreadful. The fact that we need a list shows that there is a problem – there are still some politicians who only have US citizenship. How can they be relied upon?

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  39. JL says:
    @Lionel of the Richiesphere
    Steve you big dummy you are missing the obvious point of this story: Israel is anti-semitic.

    I doubt Israel cares one wit about Jews who live outside of Israel, or aren’t Israeli citizens. And, indeed, why should it? This is especially amusing considering how many American, and other, Jews are just falling all over themselves to be Israel’s useful idiots. And their dual loyalties leave them justifiably vulnerable in their home countries. Jews have no more loyalty to one another than they do to anyone else, despite outward appearance indicating otherwise. Those Jews who do believe otherwise will inevitably and deservedly get thrown under the bus.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    This is especially amusing considering how many American, and other, Jews are just falling all over themselves to be Israel’s useful idiots. And their dual loyalties leave them justifiably vulnerable in their home countries.

    No, you'd like to injure them and any old excuse will do for you. The bulk of diaspora Jews live in the United States and the United States, Canada, France, and Gibraltar are the only portions of the diaspora wherein the Jewish population exceeds 0.5% of the total. American Jews cast about 80% of their ballots for Barack Obama, whose view of Israel is characterized by the same petty spite he applies to anyone he sees as an adversary. Obama has to work within a political class wherein that sort of hostility is atypical and he has other fish to fry, so that petty spite was manifested in the Iran 'deal' and not on direct attacks on Israel. For the Jewish voter, Israel's interests are trumped by domestic cultural politics.

  40. @Mr. Anon

    From a logistical point of view, Israel is a much better place to send Syrian refugees than Europe. Perhaps somewhere close and familiar like the Golan Heights?
     
    Actually, I would think Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates would be pretty good places for this purpose. And given that they are muslim countries, they should be happy to help out their brother muslims (right?). Steve has often brought this up. I have never heard this mentioned in media discussions on the syrian refugee crisis.

    Actually, I would think Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates would be pretty good places for this purpose.

    Taking immigrants with the same Muslim religion does not increase diversity. It would be like when Americans wanted to take in only Protestants and rejected Catholics and Jews. That was racism, prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, eugenics, and was literally Hitler.

    Immigrants should go to the country they are most incompatible with and where they will cause the most trouble with the natives in order to have the most Democracy. For Muslims the ideal destination is Israel.

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  41. IHTG says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
     
    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve's concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel's equivalent of America's WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    The current Israeli ruling coalition could be described as a right-wing “Coalition of the Fringes”.

    Netanyahu himself combines traits of both Trump (occasionally boneheaded masculine braggadocio, hostility to traditional media) and Clinton (prefers to avoid the spotlight, distrustful control freak, controversial politically-engaged spouse). I’d say he was more purely like Trump earlier in his career, during his first stint as PM. Unlike Trump, he was young enough to evolve.

    Netanyahu also seems to be “woke” on demographic questions in a way that even other Israeli right-wing leaders aren’t. It’s a mistake to assume that all Israeli elites are equally wary of things like refugee resettlement. In particular, the Israeli religious right is more open to such ideas because they’re fond of the idea of getting involved in righteous wars. And perhaps because they have large families, they don’t feel as much demographic fear as secular Likudniks do.

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  42. Thea says:
    @Ed
    For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West. In regards to Israel a more nationalist West is in her best interests for a myriad of reasons.

    Liberal & neocon American Jews appear to be a different creature then.

    We should emulate Israel but we should not allow people like Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    ike Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.

    His name is Wm. Kristol.

    Has Victoria Nuland ever written a word on immigration policy? (Her husband has, but that's him). Frum and Kristol have (and Kristol has midwived articles on the subject), but both have been skeptical regarding large immigration streams and lax border enforcement.
  43. … U.S. billionaire George Soros, …

    That better mean “US-denominated” billionaire. I think it’s what the author meant, but it sounds like this guy is American. I dare Soros to stay in this country more than a few weeks.

    In the latest case, Prime Minister Viktor Orban has backed a campaign in which Soros is singled out as an enemy of the state

    That sounds a bit too much like a Bill of Attainder. However, I think even the great Founders of this country probably would have put an exception into the US Constitution for THE ANTICHRIST. Go Orban, go!

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  44. @Anonymous
    -----For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West.----

    There's talk because there is action. Action BY some Jews that undermines the West.

    Gates, Bezos, Slim get slammed for being creepy globalist billionaires. Zuckerberg et al shouldn't get a free pass because they are Jewish. Let there be talk.

    Zuckerberg gets no free passes on iSteve. How long have you been on here? Maybe you are thinking of Marc Zuckerburg, not Mark Zuckerberg – the former gets a free pass solely because of his excellence in comprehensiveness. It’s just a coincidence that these two guys are homo…

    [Hold on, the UPS guy is on the porch....]

    Where was I? Oh….

    …. nyms.

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  45. @Rosamond Vincy
    Good for Israel, and good for Hungary.
    It would indeed be bigoted to target Soros because he is Jewish, but there is no bigotry in targeting him because he is an anal pore.

    Thank you Rosamond. I learn new stuff on here every day. I never knew what an anal pore was until your comment.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    But when you looked it up, Soros' picture was next to it.
  46. anonHUN says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    Orban himslef was one of those anti-communists who got financial help from Soros in the 1980s. He identified as a liberal then, later he went more and more nationalist and socially conservative.
    Hungary it was a little different than most other former Communist countries (except Poland and maybe Czechia) in that former Communist didn’t remake themselves as “right-wing nationalists”. They remade themselves as very pro-EU, pro-Western, (neo)liberal politicians mostly. The ex-commie party (Socialists) are and were mostly anti-nationalist, espousing “European values” in their rhetoric.

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  47. Zoodles says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    Nations can survive venal and corrupt politicians. They cant survive the systematic replacement of their population. And that is what Soros promotes.

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  48. Art Deco says:
    @JL
    I doubt Israel cares one wit about Jews who live outside of Israel, or aren't Israeli citizens. And, indeed, why should it? This is especially amusing considering how many American, and other, Jews are just falling all over themselves to be Israel's useful idiots. And their dual loyalties leave them justifiably vulnerable in their home countries. Jews have no more loyalty to one another than they do to anyone else, despite outward appearance indicating otherwise. Those Jews who do believe otherwise will inevitably and deservedly get thrown under the bus.

    This is especially amusing considering how many American, and other, Jews are just falling all over themselves to be Israel’s useful idiots. And their dual loyalties leave them justifiably vulnerable in their home countries.

    No, you’d like to injure them and any old excuse will do for you. The bulk of diaspora Jews live in the United States and the United States, Canada, France, and Gibraltar are the only portions of the diaspora wherein the Jewish population exceeds 0.5% of the total. American Jews cast about 80% of their ballots for Barack Obama, whose view of Israel is characterized by the same petty spite he applies to anyone he sees as an adversary. Obama has to work within a political class wherein that sort of hostility is atypical and he has other fish to fry, so that petty spite was manifested in the Iran ‘deal’ and not on direct attacks on Israel. For the Jewish voter, Israel’s interests are trumped by domestic cultural politics.

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  49. @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    Not to worry. Soros, like Cheney, has a deal with the devil and will never be completely dead.

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  50. biz says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970

    Stupid. That’s just a random list of Jewish elected and appointed officials from 15 years ago. Probably zero of them hold dual citizenship. John Bolton is not even Jewish.

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    • Replies: @eah
    I don't know how "stupid" it is -- but clearly it is not 100% accurate re 1) who is a Jew, and 2) who holds dual US/Israeli citizenship -- however the vast majority are Jews -- so instead I would see it as an indication of how Jews appears to wield outsized influence in the US, including/especially in important foreign policy questions re the Middle East -- this should be recognized and then it should be asked if this has been or is good for America generally -- also in the media: there is another meme going around showing how many of the top management people and top on-air personalities at CNN are Jewish -- but without looking into that in detail I also do not claim that meme is 100% accurate -- but it is largely accurate: there are lots of Jews in important positions at CNN -- fwiw.
  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970

    That list would be more convincing if it were true. John Bolton is a citizen of Israel? News to me. Probably to him too. That list seems to be simply a list of people in government who are Jews (or who are John Bolton); not people with dual citizenship.

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    • Replies: @eah
    You are correct -- see my reply to commenter biz.
  52. biz says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship".
    That's a disgrace. Why is this allowed?

    Do you mean why is a fake list allowed which contains random Jews from 15 years ago, plus non-Jewish John Bolton, and claims without evidence that they are dual citizens, when in fact none of them are? Because the internet makes people stupid.

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  53. Art Deco says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right.

    He’s heavily invested in cultural politics in the United States. His promotional work hasn’t been merely ill-judged, it has been actively destructive to the social and cultural fabric. (Black Lives Matter is sorsophere astroturf). This guy’s one bad bird. It’s also a reasonable inference he does not get any Jew points from the government of Israel because his family were kapos, and he was (by his own admission) a working participant in his father’s schemes in 1944-45. Mainstream Republican bloggers (e.g. the Powerline crew) will illustrate posts on Soros with a photoshop of his face on the body of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers; there’s good reason for that.

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  54. republic says:
    @Anonymous
    -----For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West.----

    There's talk because there is action. Action BY some Jews that undermines the West.

    Gates, Bezos, Slim get slammed for being creepy globalist billionaires. Zuckerberg et al shouldn't get a free pass because they are Jewish. Let there be talk.

    Slim is of Lebanese Christian origins

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  55. republic says:
    @Tim
    See,

    Just when you think the Jews are all about throwing the West under the bus, they do something like this. That's why I actually admire the Jews: they're contentious, they KNOW they're better than us, but they can certainly see the forest through the trees, and they know what right looks like.

    They're not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

    I am no fan of Israel, but one good thing about the place is that they have actually put a former
    President and Prime Minister into jail!

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Israel's had 97 years of nearly uniterrupted institutional continuity, built one of the world's more affluent societies (and may equal the U.S. within a generation), has defeated serial attempts to destroy its settlements or make them unlivable, and has seen its population increase 10-fold through assembling large streams of refugees and immigrants and teaching them English and Hebrew. It's one of the few occidental societies robust enough to reproduce itself. It has a vital and contentious public life and an educational infrastructure which trails only New Zealand's and Singapore's among countries of similar dimension. But your sense of their achievements begins and ends with prosecuting a couple of corrupt politicians.
    , @Moshe
    The President was put in jail because he is a religious sephardi who was widely popular.

    More so, because Shimon Peres was... it's hard to put adjectives to him... think of how you feel about Hillary and then multiply it by 300.

    Shimon Peres was "not a good man".

    And Katzav won the presidency instead of him and he wanted it.

    President Katzav was being blackmailed by "A", a woman whose identity WAS NEVER REVEALED THROUGHOUT THE COMPLETE TRIAL AND SENTENCING despite the fact that she was blackmailing the President of Israel and then accusing him of rape, after he reported her blackmail.

    Like most politicians and powerful people generally, it wouldn't surprise me if he benefited sexually on account of his high status.

    Imagining him forcefully raping a woman however is almost impossible.

    He was convicted because of Israelu SJWs and rhe enormous harm that they have done to the justice system over the past 30 years.

    Yes, it's interesting that Israel can find its politicans guilty in its own courts of law but remember that Olmert and Katzav (and Yitzchak Mordechai and Sharon's son and Aryeh Deri and Lupolianski...) were RIGHT wing politicians.

    President Ezer Weitzman was known to do much worse rhan Olmert and never faced a judge or jury. I mean, it is Ofiicially known and there a small doubt about it. I think he even admitted to it and made a short apology statement and that was it.

    They have also been chasing Bibi since he first became Prime Minister. He just happens to be smarter, and slightly less compromised than Olmert.

    As for presidents, no president or prime minister of Israel has never been as loathefully repulsive as the disgusting peres. And he stole BOTH the prime ministership and the pm.

    He never won as pm and only took over for Rabin - who had won.

    And he lost to Katzav in a closed vote in the knesset too.

    Once Katzav was quieted the knesset members were too scared of peres to not let him into the tent on the - somewhat accurate! - guess that he would now piss out of it.

    Israel jails its right wing politicians.
  56. @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    When ultra-rich right-wingers die, their fortune ends up in the hands of their usually left-wing offspring, who use it to fund far-left causes. If Henry Ford had known what the Ford Foundation was going to do with the fortune he created, he’d have piled up all the money and burned it. If John D. MacArthur had known that his fortune would be distributed to the likes of T’ Genius Coates, he would have done likewise. Examples abound.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The board appointed by John D. MacArthur was (bar one or two members) Republican (including broadcaster Paul Harvey). However, he'd left his son a seat out of some misplaced sentiment. (Father and son were not congenial and had been on the opposite sides of lawsuits). He also left his wife a seat, but she crapped out and never attended any meetings. Roderick MacArthur adhered to silly red-haze politics but he proved adept at being so argumentative with the other trustees that they agreed to expand the board to add expertise. The expanded board promptly hijacked it. It was basically incompetence on the part of Harvey and the others conjoined to the arrogance of the academics they recruited to assist them. In truth, justice would be served were the foundation dissolved by the courts and its assets distributed to John MacArthur's relatives per stirpes.
    , @Rob McX
    True. There's nothing deadlier than a bunch of "philanthropists" with a dead billionaire's money at their disposal.
  57. Art Deco says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as “right-wing nationalists”.

    If you say so. The ‘right-wing nationalist’ party in Germany is of recent formation, the Law and Justice Party in Poland was founded in 2001, Fidesz in Hungary was founded as a liberal party in 1989 and gradually took on a more nationalist color (while the national-populist party of that era evaporated in stages), Jobbik in Hungary was founded in 2003, and Attack in Bulgaria was founded in 2005. What there has been of a national-populist strand in the Czech Republic appeared after 1999. The Baltic states have some vigorous national-populist parties, but all but one were founded after 1999 and none were founded in 1989-92. Roumania has had a nationalist dispensation since 1991, but the quondam communist parties provided ample refuge and better opportunities for the careerist. I think what you’re describing might have been a thing in Slovakia, Serbia, and Croatia (or did you have Russia in mind?).

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    I can think of an example of a Communist-turned-right-wing-nationalist. The infamous right-wing nationalist Ukrainian and Svoboda Party member, Iryna Farion was a Komsomol member, then Communist Party member. She was even, prior to the Soviet collapse, involved in Communist activism and propagating the Russian language.

    She seems to have been an exception, however. A lot of the right-wing nationalists in Ukraine, such as Levko Lukianenko, were actually persecuted Soviet dissidents. Andrew Parubiy was actually as a young man arrested by the Soviets.
  58. Art Deco says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    When ultra-rich right-wingers die, their fortune ends up in the hands of their usually left-wing offspring, who use it to fund far-left causes. If Henry Ford had known what the Ford Foundation was going to do with the fortune he created, he'd have piled up all the money and burned it. If John D. MacArthur had known that his fortune would be distributed to the likes of T' Genius Coates, he would have done likewise. Examples abound.

    The board appointed by John D. MacArthur was (bar one or two members) Republican (including broadcaster Paul Harvey). However, he’d left his son a seat out of some misplaced sentiment. (Father and son were not congenial and had been on the opposite sides of lawsuits). He also left his wife a seat, but she crapped out and never attended any meetings. Roderick MacArthur adhered to silly red-haze politics but he proved adept at being so argumentative with the other trustees that they agreed to expand the board to add expertise. The expanded board promptly hijacked it. It was basically incompetence on the part of Harvey and the others conjoined to the arrogance of the academics they recruited to assist them. In truth, justice would be served were the foundation dissolved by the courts and its assets distributed to John MacArthur’s relatives per stirpes.

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  59. Hmmm… It’s almost as though, now that Jews have pretty much taken over the West, the real intra-West conflict is an intra-Jewish conflict:

    The Likuds vs the Cultural Marxists.

    If that’s the case there might have been some people who were pointing this out as underlying the Trump phenomenon once Trump made his “Mexican Rapist” speech. Was anyone doing that? ;)

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Hmmm… It’s almost as though, now that Jews have pretty much taken over the West, the real intra-West conflict is an intra-Jewish conflict:

    In the minds of the sort of people who think the government is beaming messages into their head.
  60. Art Deco says:
    @republic
    I am no fan of Israel, but one good thing about the place is that they have actually put a former
    President and Prime Minister into jail!

    Israel’s had 97 years of nearly uniterrupted institutional continuity, built one of the world’s more affluent societies (and may equal the U.S. within a generation), has defeated serial attempts to destroy its settlements or make them unlivable, and has seen its population increase 10-fold through assembling large streams of refugees and immigrants and teaching them English and Hebrew. It’s one of the few occidental societies robust enough to reproduce itself. It has a vital and contentious public life and an educational infrastructure which trails only New Zealand’s and Singapore’s among countries of similar dimension. But your sense of their achievements begins and ends with prosecuting a couple of corrupt politicians.

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    Israel cultural, economic and political achievements and putting corrupt politicians into jail may be somewhat connected.
  61. Art Deco says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970

    That’s a list of Jews who’ve held appointments in the foreign relations apparat at some point in the last 50 years and some Jewish members of Congress (along with a scatter of others). If you fancy the assembler took the time to actually verify whether or not any of them carry an Israeli passport, ask yourself what John Bolton is doing on the list.

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  62. Art Deco says:
    @James Bowery
    Hmmm... It's almost as though, now that Jews have pretty much taken over the West, the real intra-West conflict is an intra-Jewish conflict:

    The Likuds vs the Cultural Marxists.

    If that's the case there might have been some people who were pointing this out as underlying the Trump phenomenon once Trump made his "Mexican Rapist" speech. Was anyone doing that? ;)

    Hmmm… It’s almost as though, now that Jews have pretty much taken over the West, the real intra-West conflict is an intra-Jewish conflict:

    In the minds of the sort of people who think the government is beaming messages into their head.

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  63. I find the original response of the Israeli ambassador interesting. He probably is some political appointee, reading the NY Times or the Israeli equivalent at breakfast, and immediately responds unthinkingly, just as he was brainwashed to respond: “sows hatred and fear”. That sounds like it was literally written by the WaPo or the NY Times or the Obama State Dept. or any of our “news” organizations. His own government wants, and probably has, good relations with Hungary and yet that one comment shows you how effective this constant drip of propaganda has become.

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  64. Art Deco says:
    @Thea
    Liberal & neocon American Jews appear to be a different creature then.

    We should emulate Israel but we should not allow people like Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.

    ike Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.

    His name is Wm. Kristol.

    Has Victoria Nuland ever written a word on immigration policy? (Her husband has, but that’s him). Frum and Kristol have (and Kristol has midwived articles on the subject), but both have been skeptical regarding large immigration streams and lax border enforcement.

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    Nuland acts in the spirit of Lazar Kaganovich.
  65. Art Deco says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
     
    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve's concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel's equivalent of America's WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    Ashkenazi Jews are Israel’s equivalent of America’s WASPs and other high-achieving groups,

    Old stock (white) Americans amount to about 35% of the population of the United States and they’re not (taken collectively) particularly ‘high-achieving’. Somewhat north of a quarter of Israel’s Jewish population is Ashkenazic. They have higher aggregate performance than Sephardic an Oriental Jews, but no population segment that proportionately large is going to be ‘high-achieving’. About 15% of Israel’s population is mixed Jewish.

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  66. Art Deco says:
    @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    We’re likely less in danger if it’s in the hands of common-and-gardenl NGO apparatchiks than we are if it’s in the hands of a canny operator like Soros. Recall that Barack Obama (sometime law instructor and sometime small practice lawyer) was seriously considered for a handsomely compensated position running the Joyce Foundation in Chicago.

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  67. @Jake
    Is Israel finally waking up fully and realizing that the anti-white Christian/pro-everything else double standard allowed to proceed will mean eventual destruction of Israel by brown Moslems allied with blacks?

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.

    Ha! Shows how little you know about Israel and leftist Jews.

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  68. @Art Deco
    Israel's had 97 years of nearly uniterrupted institutional continuity, built one of the world's more affluent societies (and may equal the U.S. within a generation), has defeated serial attempts to destroy its settlements or make them unlivable, and has seen its population increase 10-fold through assembling large streams of refugees and immigrants and teaching them English and Hebrew. It's one of the few occidental societies robust enough to reproduce itself. It has a vital and contentious public life and an educational infrastructure which trails only New Zealand's and Singapore's among countries of similar dimension. But your sense of their achievements begins and ends with prosecuting a couple of corrupt politicians.

    Israel cultural, economic and political achievements and putting corrupt politicians into jail may be somewhat connected.

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    But Israel still seems unable to put together
    a decent soccer team . According to FIFA, Israel
    ranks 70, Russia - 62, and Hungary - 57
  69. Soros, [a] Jew who has spent a large part of his fortune funding pro-democracy and human rights groups….

    This sort of thing is unacceptable. From Reuters, too – a newswire, for Heaven’s sake; what ought to be more anodyne and factual?! Yet, just as the blithe approval by otherwise professional news anchors of the $outhern Poverty Law Cente as an unimpeachable charity akin to St. Jude’s Children’s Hospitals (recently cited by Mr. Derbyshire), here we have Reutes tacitly endorsing Soros’ schemes as “pro-democracy” and suggesting they promote “human rights.”

    I presume to aver no one on Earth is any more in favour of democracy and human rights than I am. I served in combat to protect the one (though my service was ill used, indeed misused, by the president…), and I spent a good many years working to help abused and neglected women and children. Yet I oppose Soros with the unbridled passion of a wrathful god, as do many others of similar dispositions. Many if us believe with good reason the man’s work undermines democracy and the human rights of autochthonous peoples around the world. I do not ask that Reuters take our side, either – only that they report impartially. I repeat: It’s a newswire, for crying out loud!

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  70. Tex says:

    Sometimes an ambassador says something that is not clear, or lacks important distinctions, or is merely misinformed. And sometimes ambassadors say something that was perfectly acceptable until the party line changed. Then the fun begins.

    When did criticizing Soros become acceptable to the Israeli government? And why didn’t the ambassador know it?

    I’m guessing that speaking ill of Soros was verbotten up until shortly before or after the foreign ministry’s clarification. My guess is that is related to the (sort of) covert war between Soros & Trump and how useful Netanyahu regards Trump in Israel’s ongoing (sort of) covert war against Iran.

    Knowing whose toes you can step on these days is a very tricky thing.

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    Being a good ambassador isn't easy.
    , @biz
    Soros has been funding anti-Israel groups for years. Netanyahu has been trying to crack down on his shifty NGOs for years. There is nothing 'all of a sudden' here.
  71. @Tex
    Sometimes an ambassador says something that is not clear, or lacks important distinctions, or is merely misinformed. And sometimes ambassadors say something that was perfectly acceptable until the party line changed. Then the fun begins.

    When did criticizing Soros become acceptable to the Israeli government? And why didn't the ambassador know it?

    I'm guessing that speaking ill of Soros was verbotten up until shortly before or after the foreign ministry's clarification. My guess is that is related to the (sort of) covert war between Soros & Trump and how useful Netanyahu regards Trump in Israel's ongoing (sort of) covert war against Iran.

    Knowing whose toes you can step on these days is a very tricky thing.

    Being a good ambassador isn’t easy.

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  72. @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    That might be enough to kill them off, though it would probably take 25-30.

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  73. AP says:
    @Art Deco
    A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as “right-wing nationalists”.

    If you say so. The 'right-wing nationalist' party in Germany is of recent formation, the Law and Justice Party in Poland was founded in 2001, Fidesz in Hungary was founded as a liberal party in 1989 and gradually took on a more nationalist color (while the national-populist party of that era evaporated in stages), Jobbik in Hungary was founded in 2003, and Attack in Bulgaria was founded in 2005. What there has been of a national-populist strand in the Czech Republic appeared after 1999. The Baltic states have some vigorous national-populist parties, but all but one were founded after 1999 and none were founded in 1989-92. Roumania has had a nationalist dispensation since 1991, but the quondam communist parties provided ample refuge and better opportunities for the careerist. I think what you're describing might have been a thing in Slovakia, Serbia, and Croatia (or did you have Russia in mind?).

    I can think of an example of a Communist-turned-right-wing-nationalist. The infamous right-wing nationalist Ukrainian and Svoboda Party member, Iryna Farion was a Komsomol member, then Communist Party member. She was even, prior to the Soviet collapse, involved in Communist activism and propagating the Russian language.

    She seems to have been an exception, however. A lot of the right-wing nationalists in Ukraine, such as Levko Lukianenko, were actually persecuted Soviet dissidents. Andrew Parubiy was actually as a young man arrested by the Soviets.

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  74. Rob McX says:
    @englishmike

    Security assistance is a step to population control. ...computer files on each Hungarian citizen.
     
    What? They spy on their own citizens?
    Good thing that never happens in the USA.
    Or in the UK.

    Indeed. Diversity makes a police state inevitable in the long run.

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  75. Rob McX says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    When ultra-rich right-wingers die, their fortune ends up in the hands of their usually left-wing offspring, who use it to fund far-left causes. If Henry Ford had known what the Ford Foundation was going to do with the fortune he created, he'd have piled up all the money and burned it. If John D. MacArthur had known that his fortune would be distributed to the likes of T' Genius Coates, he would have done likewise. Examples abound.

    True. There’s nothing deadlier than a bunch of “philanthropists” with a dead billionaire’s money at their disposal.

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  76. Svigor says:

    This is interesting. First Israeli officials condemned criticism of Soros as “antisemitic,” and hours later they walk it back and call Soros an antisemite (more or less – a “threat to Israel,” same thing). It’s like they’re deliberately trolling me.

    For all the talk on here about Jews undermining the West. In regards to Israel a more nationalist West is in her best interests for a myriad of reasons.

    This is a nonsequitur; Jews’ interests are not necessarily best served by undermining the West, but undermine they do.

    The current policy of complete hypocrisy has been serving Jews well; ethnonationalism for me, diversity for thee, YT. They get to eat their cake and have ours, too.

    I’m starting to think that Israel could be useful to European nationalists, like Orban. Whenever they come under fire for not accepting migrants, they can just point to Israel and say, “We just want the same immigration policy Israel has.”

    I’ve been saying this here for at least 10 years.

    *taps mic*

    Gates, Bezos, Slim get slammed for being creepy globalist billionaires. Zuckerberg et al shouldn’t get a free pass because they are Jewish. Let there be talk.

    Wait, Bezos isn’t Jewish? He gives my Jewdar several pings and I just assumed…

    They’re not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

    I wouldn’t call it admiration, but I’m in awe of their ability to not do any critical ethnic self-review at all.

    [Soros' effort in Israel] goes beyond virtue signaling

    Yeah I’m not sure it does.

    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve’s concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel’s equivalent of America’s WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    What are the lower-performing Jewish groups equivalent to? Zionists make a big deal about Israel’s “diversity” but it’s not “diversity” at all in the American sense. It’s equivalent to a White Nationalist state that has Nordic/Med/Slav “diversity” that diaspora Jews would N-E-V-E-R accept as real diversity, not in a million years (at least, not until said WN state is a fait accompli and it’s time to accept and move on).

    And yeah, the Arab diversity in Israel has ****-all to do with their immigration policy.

    I doubt Israel cares one wit about Jews who live outside of Israel, or aren’t Israeli citizens. And, indeed, why should it?

    WTF? Because that’s where they get most of their juice. Israel gets a huge boost from the diaspora: unconditional support from American political establishment, 1/3 of America’s foreign aid budget, SUHWEEEET business deals with America/etc. via Jewish lobbying, total air supremacy via American/Western media, legislative cover via captured Congress, constant “churn” in regional regimes via American/Western military intervention, man, the list just goes on and on and on.

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  77. Svigor says:

    It looks like Bezos isn’t Jewish. And I’m not the only one to make that mistake:

    Jewish Efforts to Save Washington Post Date Back to 1933

    Correction/Update: The JTA article incorrectly identifies Jeff Bezos as Jewish.

    L-M-A-O.

    At this point I’m considering adding “space exploration funder” as a negative indicator of Jewishness.

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  78. Clyde says:
    @Tim
    See,

    Just when you think the Jews are all about throwing the West under the bus, they do something like this. That's why I actually admire the Jews: they're contentious, they KNOW they're better than us, but they can certainly see the forest through the trees, and they know what right looks like.

    They're not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

    They’re not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

    And the Muslims that surround them keep them mentally sharp and on top of their game. Their high tech oriented economy is booming. They always have to be ready for wartime shared sacrifice = national cohesiveness. I will say that the Euro_Eloi_chumps who were always ragging on the Jews for being too tough on Palestinians…At least they walked the walk and invited millions of Islamic and African (they often overlap) pests into Germany, Sweden and Europe. I will give them credit for practicing what they preached to besieged Jews of Israel circa 2002-2010 before Hillary helped Syria, Libya blow themselves up./ This massive Arab Spring, Muslim on Muslim bloodletting put the Israeli-Palestinian wars and disputes into correct perspective.

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  79. Thea says:
    @Art Deco
    ike Wise, Vicky Nuland, Frum, Krystol and their ilk to drive our people over a cliff.

    His name is Wm. Kristol.

    Has Victoria Nuland ever written a word on immigration policy? (Her husband has, but that's him). Frum and Kristol have (and Kristol has midwived articles on the subject), but both have been skeptical regarding large immigration streams and lax border enforcement.

    Nuland acts in the spirit of Lazar Kaganovich.

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    No clue how or why your mind associates Nuland (a cashiered Foreign Service officer) and one of the more gruesome characters from Stalin's camarilla. Lewis Amselem (retired FSO who blogs as "Diplomad 2.0") reviewed some of Nuland's hijinks and deemed her an incompetent worthy of dismissal. That's a trifle distant from producing a river of blood.
  80. neutral says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right

    You answered your question

    idiotic about immigration

    There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, more significant than immigration, replacing the population with another foreign one is about as destructive as it gets.

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  81. Matra says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right. I have been working in Eastern Europe since the late 1980s. George Soros was certainly one of the good guys then working very hard to bring down Communist governments. A lot of former secret police and Communist party functionaries then spent the 1990s remaking themselves as "right-wing nationalists". Soros' organizations, like in Russia or Hungary, earned the undying emnity of these people by continually pointing out that they were, like Putin or Orban, mostly self-serving frauds whose main goal was self-enrichment.

    Soros, like a lot of defenders of liberal values, is naive and idiotic about immigration, but he is not as venal and corrupt as most of the Eastern European politicians who continually attack him.

    I have never understood the Soros hatred on the right.

    Perhaps because you and Soros agree on Russia?

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I wonder if it’s occurred to them how dangerous it would be to THEM if a nuclear UK or France came under Islamic control due to immigration policies.

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  83. Svigor says:

    What’s Soros done in Israel that even approaches BLM in America? Never mind all the destruction he’s caused in Europe.

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  84. Lagertha says:
    @Tim
    See,

    Just when you think the Jews are all about throwing the West under the bus, they do something like this. That's why I actually admire the Jews: they're contentious, they KNOW they're better than us, but they can certainly see the forest through the trees, and they know what right looks like.

    They're not our buddies, but they are solid. The one thing about the Jews is that they make you stay at the top of your game. I respect them for that.

    I was under the impression that American Jews don’t like Netanyahu…bc he is such a macho nationalist! And, that currently, there is a divide between the conservative and more wishy-washy, SJW Jews in Israel. But, heck, I’ve never understood Israel’s machinations…except, I keep hearing that there is this divide, and, that Zionists in particular, are so frustrated with Trump & the nationalism of eastern European countries. The tug-of-war is so annoying since the damage from migrants, or worse…nuclear war, can not be reversed. I knew stuff would get bad the minute the drums started beating for Iraq after 9/11.

    It is kind of stunning that all the networks, papers, pundits, journalists, think tank minions still can’t see that the American public knows they have been duped by both parties. It is so cringe-worthy every time one of these elitists asks: Why are people sticking with Trump? The funny part is, it is impossible to take him down…everyone knows the consequences.

    Oh, and every time the annoying Pope starts pontificating, I just wanna punch him in the face :) It’s like he wants to be a player…but realizes he is wearing white robes and can’t act like a thug or combatant! It must be killing him.

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  85. Anon 2 says:
    @Bies Podkrakowski
    Israel cultural, economic and political achievements and putting corrupt politicians into jail may be somewhat connected.

    But Israel still seems unable to put together
    a decent soccer team . According to FIFA, Israel
    ranks 70, Russia – 62, and Hungary – 57

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  86. biz says:
    @Tex
    Sometimes an ambassador says something that is not clear, or lacks important distinctions, or is merely misinformed. And sometimes ambassadors say something that was perfectly acceptable until the party line changed. Then the fun begins.

    When did criticizing Soros become acceptable to the Israeli government? And why didn't the ambassador know it?

    I'm guessing that speaking ill of Soros was verbotten up until shortly before or after the foreign ministry's clarification. My guess is that is related to the (sort of) covert war between Soros & Trump and how useful Netanyahu regards Trump in Israel's ongoing (sort of) covert war against Iran.

    Knowing whose toes you can step on these days is a very tricky thing.

    Soros has been funding anti-Israel groups for years. Netanyahu has been trying to crack down on his shifty NGOs for years. There is nothing ‘all of a sudden’ here.

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  87. @The 99.8 percent
    Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host. Preventing the death of a civilized Europe is in its best interests. On the other hand, Soros and the international elites would reluctantly sacrifice the safety of Israel for the chance to mortally damage and humiliate the west.

    Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host.

    Exactly. I know that Netanyahu recently forged ties with India’s Narendra Modi; but there’s no way in hell India – or any other non-Western country – will countenance a “special relationship” kind of arrangement the way the US (or, to a smaller extent, the EU) does.

    Israel needs the West a lot more than vice versa – and Israelis know it.

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    I don't know about that. I think if the Jews ever needed to go to a place where they would not only fit in but would be welcomed it would be India... Indians believe that Jews helped West become powerful, so it would reason that they would benefit by the presence of Jews.
  88. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you Rosamond. I learn new stuff on here every day. I never knew what an anal pore was until your comment.

    But when you looked it up, Soros’ picture was next to it.

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    I am sure it would be, but I didn't have to look up anything. I know about Soros, so I envisioned an anal pore very easily from what I know about him, probably in more detail than one would see in a 2nd year medical school Physiology text.
  89. Moshe says:

    Most of the Jewish Right Wing in Israel and elsewhere as well as most Orthodox Jews (and 90% of all Black-Hat-Orthodox) in Israel and elsewhere are also Right Wing when it comes to Western politics – Especially American politics.

    When I lived in Israel we hated the left wing media in both Israel and the states equally.

    The Left was never our friend and we believed they were destroying America in the same manner as they were desttoting Israel.

    Will somebody here be able to come up with a thousand quotes from people of the Jewish Right/UltraOrthodox that are hypocritically right wing on Israel and left wing on America?

    Yeah. But you can also come up with quotes from any person alive contradicting himself a hundred times a year. In general right wing IN Israel translates to right wing OUT of Israel.

    Speaking for myself, I have no set views on anything in the world but generally I have been (and worked) against increased migration to the US and against the victimology left (Neomarxism and Liberal are labels I don’t believe fit them as much as Victimologists or Racists).

    I feel a but differently about Europe.

    Yes, I believe that the destruction of Western Europe would be a tragedy and I have even worked against it (particularly with Spain) but I still feel disgust for Europe writ large and a few European countries in particular.

    If Germany could fall and the rest of Western Europe be saved I would be very happy about that. I don’t see that being likely however, so I wish Europe well and I assume I will continue – albeit with less vigor than I do for America – to do what small amount I can to save the distinct countries of Europe in particular and Europe and its major role in our civilization in general.

    To my original point, Soros of course apends most of his money and influence on Hungary where he is from, Israel because he hates Jews but can get a pass on it because he “is Jewish”, and America because he lives here (right?) and it’s the biggest fish in the sea.

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  90. Moshe says:
    @Moses
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: We can learn a lot from the Israelis:
    - Border wall? Check.
    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
    - Proudly being an ethnically-based nation with no apologies? Check.
    - Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check.

    They know what they're doing. Follow the leader.

    Political class immune to SJW shaming? Check.”

    Ah, that hasn’t been the case wince Ben Gurion left office 50 years ago and it CERTAINLY isn’t the case bow.

    Ah, If only…!

    Also, one thing Jews do NOT do and have never ever ever ever done, since Moses as the Bible makes bloodily clear, is “follow the leader”.

    If only we had such principles there would have been successful rebellions and an organized attack on the Nazis from withon and without.

    Ubfortunately, aside for the short-lived Beitar and Etzel, Jews do not follow the leader.

    For an example from the Holocaust Era on America read the last section of Ben Hecht’s autobio “A Child of the Century”.

    For other examples, well just talk to a jew.

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  91. Imagine there were some Jew with a billion dollars and a burning desire to atone for the collaborationist sins of his youth. Imagine him as a grandiose, but savvy, operator who decides the greatest atonement possible would be the utter destruction once and for all of the European race and its hated religion. Imagine he sets out on his quest to do just that–with remarkable success–but knows there is a risk he could fail so badly it would trigger a backlash against the Jews. How could he continue to wage his secret war, yet shield Jews from any consequences?

    Some mild criticism from the Israeli prime minister would help a lot. “See, it’s not the Jews we should blame…just this lone rogue Jew.”

    Until I see Soros paying to import Africans into Israel, I’m not buying the claim Israel is under attack from Soros like the actual West is.

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    I am Israeli. You are 100% incorrect. Soros does pay to import Africans into Israel, a lot more successfully than for any other country. He also pays to challenge Israeli deportation efforts through Israel's Supreme Court.

    His NGOs in Israel even pay for Hebrew lessons for the Africans in Israel.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deZqscIUUJQ
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Conversely, imagine a Jew who in his youth witnessed brutality of his fellow countrymen who were hateful toward Jews and Gypsies and yet called themselves Christians... And the boy grew up to be a big bad wolf bent on not taking revenge but determined to see the world in which bullys don't get their way.
  92. Moshe says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/880790891505491970

    I FON’T EVEN HAVE TO CLICK ON YOUR LIST TO KNOW THAT IT HAS NUMEROUS FALSE POSITIVES.

    I have been alive long enough to know how these things work.

    If I am wrong I will spend 3 hours this week volunteering for the charity or cause of your choice.

    If I am right you should rethink your beliefs and, more importantly, say, “Moshe, you were right. You understand these things better than I do. I am humbled and will double check my assumptions.”

    Needless to say, if you claim to have researched the list and believe it fully accurate then I will publicly offer that apology.

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    • Replies: @eah
    Relax -- you are no doubt correct re the 'false positives' -- re the rest of your reply, see my response to commenter biz -- and note it is not my list.
  93. Moshe says:
    @Neoconned
    Whiskey im not denying what you're saying....

    But where did you hear nazi porn is huge in Israel....& that Israeli women are into it?

    Come on man, I have Whiskey blocked for a reason.

    Please don’t quote whiskey’s most far fetched, autistic and disgusting babbles.

    As for the unfortunate bit you insensitively exchanged for my appetite, it exists of course and is also less common that “mature” porn. Do Jew-Haters (especially Jewish ones) — and whiskey — enjoy endlessly masturbating over man bites dog anomalies? Yeah. Does it fit reality? Like most major antisem theories, it fits like 9/11 conspiracy theories do. Read a lot about it and it seems undeniable, step back and just be normal and it’s obvious that internally motivated kooks may be smart but you’re best getting your analysis elsewhere.

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  94. Moshe says:
    @republic
    I am no fan of Israel, but one good thing about the place is that they have actually put a former
    President and Prime Minister into jail!

    The President was put in jail because he is a religious sephardi who was widely popular.

    More so, because Shimon Peres was… it’s hard to put adjectives to him… think of how you feel about Hillary and then multiply it by 300.

    Shimon Peres was “not a good man”.

    And Katzav won the presidency instead of him and he wanted it.

    President Katzav was being blackmailed by “A”, a woman whose identity WAS NEVER REVEALED THROUGHOUT THE COMPLETE TRIAL AND SENTENCING despite the fact that she was blackmailing the President of Israel and then accusing him of rape, after he reported her blackmail.

    Like most politicians and powerful people generally, it wouldn’t surprise me if he benefited sexually on account of his high status.

    Imagining him forcefully raping a woman however is almost impossible.

    He was convicted because of Israelu SJWs and rhe enormous harm that they have done to the justice system over the past 30 years.

    Yes, it’s interesting that Israel can find its politicans guilty in its own courts of law but remember that Olmert and Katzav (and Yitzchak Mordechai and Sharon’s son and Aryeh Deri and Lupolianski…) were RIGHT wing politicians.

    President Ezer Weitzman was known to do much worse rhan Olmert and never faced a judge or jury. I mean, it is Ofiicially known and there a small doubt about it. I think he even admitted to it and made a short apology statement and that was it.

    They have also been chasing Bibi since he first became Prime Minister. He just happens to be smarter, and slightly less compromised than Olmert.

    As for presidents, no president or prime minister of Israel has never been as loathefully repulsive as the disgusting peres. And he stole BOTH the prime ministership and the pm.

    He never won as pm and only took over for Rabin – who had won.

    And he lost to Katzav in a closed vote in the knesset too.

    Once Katzav was quieted the knesset members were too scared of peres to not let him into the tent on the – somewhat accurate! – guess that he would now piss out of it.

    Israel jails its right wing politicians.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Very interesting stuff, Moshe. It seems like the cntrl-left has indeed gotten control of all of the "developed world" besides the Orient. Over there, it's officially the Commies in China, but for some reason they neither hate the average citizen nor want to destroy their nations like our ones.

    I'm not saying they (Commies in the Orient) didn't try in the past via overt repression, though even then they "meant well" (might get 'em a 2-day reprieve from Hell, I guess). However they must not have known how to keep their grip via infiltration of the institutions (academic, press, etc.) as the cntrl-left has over here. I don't think our cntrl-left even "means well". They just hate every decent institution there is left.
  95. eah says:
    @biz
    Stupid. That's just a random list of Jewish elected and appointed officials from 15 years ago. Probably zero of them hold dual citizenship. John Bolton is not even Jewish.

    I don’t know how “stupid” it is — but clearly it is not 100% accurate re 1) who is a Jew, and 2) who holds dual US/Israeli citizenship — however the vast majority are Jews — so instead I would see it as an indication of how Jews appears to wield outsized influence in the US, including/especially in important foreign policy questions re the Middle East — this should be recognized and then it should be asked if this has been or is good for America generally — also in the media: there is another meme going around showing how many of the top management people and top on-air personalities at CNN are Jewish — but without looking into that in detail I also do not claim that meme is 100% accurate — but it is largely accurate: there are lots of Jews in important positions at CNN — fwiw.

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    It is 100% inaccurate. The claim was that all of those people are dual citizens when in fact none of them are.
    , @Art Deco
    Again, the immigration stream running from North America to Israel is a trickle - their might be 60,000 American-born Jews there. It beggars belief that all these people have applied for Israeli passports. Elliot Abrams is known to own property in Israel, but I'm not sure it has ever been established that he had an Israeli passport.
  96. eah says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "List of US Politicians who hold dual US-Israeli citizenship".
    That's a disgrace. Why is this allowed?

    The list is not 100% accurate, that’s for sure — see my reply to commenter biz.

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  97. eah says:
    @Mr. Anon
    That list would be more convincing if it were true. John Bolton is a citizen of Israel? News to me. Probably to him too. That list seems to be simply a list of people in government who are Jews (or who are John Bolton); not people with dual citizenship.

    You are correct — see my reply to commenter biz.

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  98. eah says:
    @Art Deco
    That's a list of Jews who've held appointments in the foreign relations apparat at some point in the last 50 years and some Jewish members of Congress (along with a scatter of others). If you fancy the assembler took the time to actually verify whether or not any of them carry an Israeli passport, ask yourself what John Bolton is doing on the list.

    See my reply to commenter biz.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    You're complaining about 'outsize influence', but you've recycled a list of appointees whose tenures of office cover the entire period running from 1969 to the present - including men who have been out of office for 30 or 40 years. There are scads of subcabinet officers and bureau chiefs in the foreign policy and security apparat, so finding Jews in those positions over a 50 year time span is unremarkable.

    As for the members of Congress, that's an extension of the abnormal number of lawyers to be found in elective office. You find ethnic niches in the labor market, and that is one. If your mind works in such a way that entertainment and media executives, Hollywood agents, bond traders, opinion journalists, and lawyers are the only people you notice, you're going to have a distorted conception of what the population of influential people looks like. Even if every working Jew had a professional-managerial job (and they do not), they'd still be limited to 12% of that class of people. And, of course, a great many people who fit that description are affluent but not influential. My vascular surgeon can't get your parking ticket fixed.

  99. eah says:
    @Moshe
    I FON'T EVEN HAVE TO CLICK ON YOUR LIST TO KNOW THAT IT HAS NUMEROUS FALSE POSITIVES.

    I have been alive long enough to know how these things work.

    If I am wrong I will spend 3 hours this week volunteering for the charity or cause of your choice.

    If I am right you should rethink your beliefs and, more importantly, say, "Moshe, you were right. You understand these things better than I do. I am humbled and will double check my assumptions."

    Needless to say, if you claim to have researched the list and believe it fully accurate then I will publicly offer that apology.

    Relax — you are no doubt correct re the ‘false positives’ — re the rest of your reply, see my response to commenter biz — and note it is not my list.

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  100. @Rosamond Vincy
    But when you looked it up, Soros' picture was next to it.

    I am sure it would be, but I didn’t have to look up anything. I know about Soros, so I envisioned an anal pore very easily from what I know about him, probably in more detail than one would see in a 2nd year medical school Physiology text.

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  101. @Moshe
    The President was put in jail because he is a religious sephardi who was widely popular.

    More so, because Shimon Peres was... it's hard to put adjectives to him... think of how you feel about Hillary and then multiply it by 300.

    Shimon Peres was "not a good man".

    And Katzav won the presidency instead of him and he wanted it.

    President Katzav was being blackmailed by "A", a woman whose identity WAS NEVER REVEALED THROUGHOUT THE COMPLETE TRIAL AND SENTENCING despite the fact that she was blackmailing the President of Israel and then accusing him of rape, after he reported her blackmail.

    Like most politicians and powerful people generally, it wouldn't surprise me if he benefited sexually on account of his high status.

    Imagining him forcefully raping a woman however is almost impossible.

    He was convicted because of Israelu SJWs and rhe enormous harm that they have done to the justice system over the past 30 years.

    Yes, it's interesting that Israel can find its politicans guilty in its own courts of law but remember that Olmert and Katzav (and Yitzchak Mordechai and Sharon's son and Aryeh Deri and Lupolianski...) were RIGHT wing politicians.

    President Ezer Weitzman was known to do much worse rhan Olmert and never faced a judge or jury. I mean, it is Ofiicially known and there a small doubt about it. I think he even admitted to it and made a short apology statement and that was it.

    They have also been chasing Bibi since he first became Prime Minister. He just happens to be smarter, and slightly less compromised than Olmert.

    As for presidents, no president or prime minister of Israel has never been as loathefully repulsive as the disgusting peres. And he stole BOTH the prime ministership and the pm.

    He never won as pm and only took over for Rabin - who had won.

    And he lost to Katzav in a closed vote in the knesset too.

    Once Katzav was quieted the knesset members were too scared of peres to not let him into the tent on the - somewhat accurate! - guess that he would now piss out of it.

    Israel jails its right wing politicians.

    Very interesting stuff, Moshe. It seems like the cntrl-left has indeed gotten control of all of the “developed world” besides the Orient. Over there, it’s officially the Commies in China, but for some reason they neither hate the average citizen nor want to destroy their nations like our ones.

    I’m not saying they (Commies in the Orient) didn’t try in the past via overt repression, though even then they “meant well” (might get ‘em a 2-day reprieve from Hell, I guess). However they must not have known how to keep their grip via infiltration of the institutions (academic, press, etc.) as the cntrl-left has over here. I don’t think our cntrl-left even “means well”. They just hate every decent institution there is left.

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  102. biz says:
    @eah
    I don't know how "stupid" it is -- but clearly it is not 100% accurate re 1) who is a Jew, and 2) who holds dual US/Israeli citizenship -- however the vast majority are Jews -- so instead I would see it as an indication of how Jews appears to wield outsized influence in the US, including/especially in important foreign policy questions re the Middle East -- this should be recognized and then it should be asked if this has been or is good for America generally -- also in the media: there is another meme going around showing how many of the top management people and top on-air personalities at CNN are Jewish -- but without looking into that in detail I also do not claim that meme is 100% accurate -- but it is largely accurate: there are lots of Jews in important positions at CNN -- fwiw.

    It is 100% inaccurate. The claim was that all of those people are dual citizens when in fact none of them are.

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  103. Art Deco says:
    @Thea
    Nuland acts in the spirit of Lazar Kaganovich.

    No clue how or why your mind associates Nuland (a cashiered Foreign Service officer) and one of the more gruesome characters from Stalin’s camarilla. Lewis Amselem (retired FSO who blogs as “Diplomad 2.0″) reviewed some of Nuland’s hijinks and deemed her an incompetent worthy of dismissal. That’s a trifle distant from producing a river of blood.

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  104. Art Deco says:
    @eah
    See my reply to commenter biz.

    You’re complaining about ‘outsize influence’, but you’ve recycled a list of appointees whose tenures of office cover the entire period running from 1969 to the present – including men who have been out of office for 30 or 40 years. There are scads of subcabinet officers and bureau chiefs in the foreign policy and security apparat, so finding Jews in those positions over a 50 year time span is unremarkable.

    As for the members of Congress, that’s an extension of the abnormal number of lawyers to be found in elective office. You find ethnic niches in the labor market, and that is one. If your mind works in such a way that entertainment and media executives, Hollywood agents, bond traders, opinion journalists, and lawyers are the only people you notice, you’re going to have a distorted conception of what the population of influential people looks like. Even if every working Jew had a professional-managerial job (and they do not), they’d still be limited to 12% of that class of people. And, of course, a great many people who fit that description are affluent but not influential. My vascular surgeon can’t get your parking ticket fixed.

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  105. Art Deco says:
    @eah
    I don't know how "stupid" it is -- but clearly it is not 100% accurate re 1) who is a Jew, and 2) who holds dual US/Israeli citizenship -- however the vast majority are Jews -- so instead I would see it as an indication of how Jews appears to wield outsized influence in the US, including/especially in important foreign policy questions re the Middle East -- this should be recognized and then it should be asked if this has been or is good for America generally -- also in the media: there is another meme going around showing how many of the top management people and top on-air personalities at CNN are Jewish -- but without looking into that in detail I also do not claim that meme is 100% accurate -- but it is largely accurate: there are lots of Jews in important positions at CNN -- fwiw.

    Again, the immigration stream running from North America to Israel is a trickle – their might be 60,000 American-born Jews there. It beggars belief that all these people have applied for Israeli passports. Elliot Abrams is known to own property in Israel, but I’m not sure it has ever been established that he had an Israeli passport.

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  106. Dmitry says:
    @Craig Nelsen
    Imagine there were some Jew with a billion dollars and a burning desire to atone for the collaborationist sins of his youth. Imagine him as a grandiose, but savvy, operator who decides the greatest atonement possible would be the utter destruction once and for all of the European race and its hated religion. Imagine he sets out on his quest to do just that--with remarkable success--but knows there is a risk he could fail so badly it would trigger a backlash against the Jews. How could he continue to wage his secret war, yet shield Jews from any consequences?

    Some mild criticism from the Israeli prime minister would help a lot. "See, it's not the Jews we should blame...just this lone rogue Jew."

    Until I see Soros paying to import Africans into Israel, I'm not buying the claim Israel is under attack from Soros like the actual West is.

    I am Israeli. You are 100% incorrect. Soros does pay to import Africans into Israel, a lot more successfully than for any other country. He also pays to challenge Israeli deportation efforts through Israel’s Supreme Court.

    His NGOs in Israel even pay for Hebrew lessons for the Africans in Israel.

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  107. @Jake
    Is Israel finally waking up fully and realizing that the anti-white Christian/pro-everything else double standard allowed to proceed will mean eventual destruction of Israel by brown Moslems allied with blacks?

    If so, Israel must begun to rein in Leftist Jews worldwide.

    And what are going to do with the 20% brown Jews, throw them under the bus? Remember this, a Jew will never disown one of his own and before he entertains the notion, he will set the goy world on fire… any questions?

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  108. @Lot
    I am worried Soros will leave $20 billion to far left causes when he dies.

    So, what’s the big deal? Who is stopping other Jews from supporting the opposite side? Unless, there isn’t a single Jew who is truly conservative and come think of it, there aren’t any… oh, well!

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  109. @Dave Pinsen

    - Disallowing immigration from people who are culturally/ethnically dissimilar? Check.
     
    Not exactly. What Israel practices is closer to Steve's concept of citizenism. Ashkenazi Jews are Israel's equivalent of America's WASPs and other high-achieving groups, but Israel also accommodates lower-performing Jewish groups (Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews), as well as an Arab minority.

    Sephardic Jews, lower performing? Are you kidding? Heinrich Graetz, clearly delineates in his six volume history of Jews, how after the Inquisition, the Jews of Iberia after having settled in the Netherlands, were the driving force behind the world commence while the much touted Ashkenazi were ‘living it up’ in shtetls of Germany. Anecdotally, Goldman Sachs, the banker of the world which is no exaggeration, on its website has two language options for their rich clients… would you like to guess what is the second language after English? It isn’t Chinese, it’s Portuguese… Don’t confuse the Mizrahim with the Shephardim!

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  110. @Bay Area Guy
    Israel knows their only friends are in the west, and that third world immigration is a fatal poison pill to its host.

    Exactly. I know that Netanyahu recently forged ties with India's Narendra Modi; but there's no way in hell India - or any other non-Western country - will countenance a "special relationship" kind of arrangement the way the US (or, to a smaller extent, the EU) does.

    Israel needs the West a lot more than vice versa - and Israelis know it.

    I don’t know about that. I think if the Jews ever needed to go to a place where they would not only fit in but would be welcomed it would be India… Indians believe that Jews helped West become powerful, so it would reason that they would benefit by the presence of Jews.

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  111. @Craig Nelsen
    Imagine there were some Jew with a billion dollars and a burning desire to atone for the collaborationist sins of his youth. Imagine him as a grandiose, but savvy, operator who decides the greatest atonement possible would be the utter destruction once and for all of the European race and its hated religion. Imagine he sets out on his quest to do just that--with remarkable success--but knows there is a risk he could fail so badly it would trigger a backlash against the Jews. How could he continue to wage his secret war, yet shield Jews from any consequences?

    Some mild criticism from the Israeli prime minister would help a lot. "See, it's not the Jews we should blame...just this lone rogue Jew."

    Until I see Soros paying to import Africans into Israel, I'm not buying the claim Israel is under attack from Soros like the actual West is.

    Conversely, imagine a Jew who in his youth witnessed brutality of his fellow countrymen who were hateful toward Jews and Gypsies and yet called themselves Christians… And the boy grew up to be a big bad wolf bent on not taking revenge but determined to see the world in which bullys don’t get their way.

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