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In contrast to Israel supporters, recent iSteve regular Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Mogadishupolis) has NO “allegiance to a foreign country.” Somalia is no longer a country.

Nor is Rep. Omar motivated whatsoever by any tribal rivalries, because all true Somalis belong to only one tribe. Instead, Rep. Omar’s sole allegiance is to the Majeerten Clan. From Wikipedia:

Omar is Muslim[19] and belongs to the Majeerteen clan from Northeastern Somalia.

Long may the House of the Majeerten increase in number! (Especially in New Puntland along the headwaters of the Mississippi.) America’s highest national priority must be importing more Majeerten, because they are Who We Are.

From Wikipedia on the Isaaq Clan, who are rivals to Rep. Omar’s Majeerten Clan:

Sheikh Isaaq bin Ahmed was one of the Arabian scholars that crossed the sea from Arabia to the Horn of Africa to spread Islam around 12th to 13th century. It is said that sheikh Isaaq is to have been descended of the prophet Muhammad through his daughter Fatima. …

Sheikh Isaaq married two local women in Somalia that bore him eight sons. The descendants of those eight sons comprise the modern Isaaq clan.

As Rep. Omar has so often pointed out, the pervasive influence in Washington of AIPAC, The American-Isaaqi Public Affairs Committee, must be exposed!

From CityPages on why Rep. Omar is a refugee from Somalia:

Ilhan Omar’s improbable journey from refugee camp to Minnesota Legislature
Monday, November 7, 2016 by Cory Zurowski in News

… Omar was born into a village of her own, the youngest of seven.

Her mother died when she was little. Men would shape her. Three older brothers, father Nur Omar Mohamed, and her grandfather, Abukar, especially.

Aunts and uncles worked as civil servants and educators. Omar’s father trained teachers. Theirs was a blessed life as Somalia began the transition from European colony to independence.

Her grandfather rode the winds of change to Italy, where he attended university. He returned to his East African homeland, becoming Somalia’s National Marine Transport director. Abukar oversaw the string of lighthouses along the Arabian Sea coastline.

Privilege accompanied this kind of pedigree. Books and culture were priorities inside the home, which was more like a compound, complete with domestic help. In a country where 80 percent of the population farmed and raised livestock, Omar started kindergarten at age four.

But Somalia was a fragile country. Civil strife soon threatened to swallow it.

About 12 million people occupy this land about the size of Texas. It’s overwhelmingly Muslim. Genealogy unites and divides.

Somalis belong to clans. These ethnic cliques can be about geography or marriage. Some possess age-old beliefs of superiority and consider members of sub-clans unsuitable for marriage, even friendship.

In 1991, the reign of Somali President Siad Barre imploded. The country had had enough of his Cold War-style military dictatorship.

Uncle Siad

Siad Barre had one of the last of the closely cropped Dictator Mustaches.

Barre was ousted, the national army disbanded. The ensuing vacuum devolved into a war among clans, turning neighbors into enemies. Omar witnessed this firsthand when she was eight years old.

Nighttime fell as about 20 people milled about the compound in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. Bad noises outside announced unwelcome visitors. Men with big guns demanded to be let in. The group tried to bust down the front door, but it was unbreakable. Omar and her family fell to the floor moments before the militiamen let go a staccato of gunfire. Once they were satisfied with the evening’s damage, the attackers left.

Everyone survived. Omar hasn’t forgotten the sight of bullet pockmarks in the building’s cinderblock walls.

Shellshock turned to grief for Omar’s grandpa.

“That was a hard realization for my grandfather, that our family was no longer welcome,” she says. “Even after the attack, he struggled with this new reality.”

Days later, they put their familiar world in the rearview mirror. They split into groups, 20 people in total fleeing.

And why were folks so sore at dictator Siad Barre’s allies, such as the Rep. Omar’s family? Well, one reason might be a topic in Wikipedia that I had never heard of before:

Isaaq genocide

The Isaaq genocide or “Hargeisa Holocaust”[15][16] was the systematic, state-sponsored massacre of Isaaq civilians between 1987 and 1989 by the Somali Democratic Republic under the dictatorship of Siad Barre.[17] The number of civilian deaths in this massacre is estimated to be between 50,000-100,000 according to various sources,[1][18][9] whilst local reports estimate the total civilian deaths to be upwards of 200,000 Isaaq civilians.[19] This genocide also included the levelling and complete destruction of the second and third largest cities in Somalia, Hargeisa (which was 90 per cent destroyed)[20] and Burao (70 per cent destroyed) respectively,[21] and had caused up to 500,000[22][23] Somalis (primarily of the Isaaq clan)[24] to flee their land and cross the border to Hartasheikh in Ethiopia as refugees, in what was described as “one of the fastest and largest forced movements of people recorded in Africa”,[25] and resulted in the creation of the world’s largest refugee camp then (1988),[26] with another 400,000 being internally displaced.[27][28][29] The scale of destruction led to Hargeisa being known as the ‘Dresden of Africa’.[30] The killings happened during the Somali Civil War and have been referred to as a “forgotten genocide”. …

It’s almost as if sometimes there are reasons why certain refugees had to flee for their lives from the people back home who know them best.

According to Mohamed Haji Ingiriis, the vicious atrocities during the reign of Barre were not an isolated event nor unusual in Somalia’s history. Barre also targeted the Hawiye. But, states Ingiriis, Barre’s extermination campaigns against other clan groups reflected the deep seated historic cycles of repressions by the clan that gains dominant power then marginalizes other clans.

Fortunately, America’s new Coalition of the Fringes, whether Majeerten-Americans or Isaaq-Americans, have the KKKrazy Glue of evil straight white male Core Americans committing all those hate crimes to unite them in voting Democratic.

 
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  1. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    what in the world?

    this is some seriously garbage boomer-posting.

    did she hurt some precious Jewish feelings? And now Steve is enraged? Jesus.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Bazarny K
    , @Gordo
    , @anon
    , @Anon
  2. Chuck says:

    They have one and only one allegiance.

  3. Not even two months on the job with this one. She and the potty-mouthed Pal are distinguishing themselves as our first Muslima members of Congress.

    AOC is head of domestic policy, Omar foreign policy. Ladies & gentlemen, the ‘new’ Democrat party!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @bomag
  4. Ibound1 says:

    Chait assumes too much. She never said what was the “foreign” country. America could very well be that “foreign” country. In fact, I strongly suspect that America is indeed what she meant by that foreign country. Way, way too many people owe allegiance to it, (and not to the Muslim Ummah), So really this was a compliment.

  5. Bazarny K says:
    @anonymous

    I think Steve is just amused that a leftist Majeerteen-American politician is making a nationalist critique of American Zionism.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    , @anonymous
  6. After the seniors in the party forced her to apologize, I’m surprised she went there again. All I can say is this member or maybe now, former member of the coalition of the fringes does have moxy. Anyway the tribe is not taking this lying down http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/omar-israel-hawks-allegiance-foreign-country-anti-semitism.html

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  7. Kirt says:

    Everybody is descended from some family or other. Has Rep. Omar introduced some legislation to benefit the Isaaqis?

  8. DFH says:

    Steve proves himself to be the Eternal Boomer

  9. It is said that sheikh Isaaq is to have been descended of the prophet Muhammad through his daughter Fatima

    …as is, at this late date, just about everybody reading this.

    • Replies: @Rufus
  10. George says:

    Supermodel and David Bowie’s wife Iman was also Majeerten Clan. I think the US of A could do a lot worse than Iman and Rep Omar. Any IQ stats on Majeertens?

  11. Altai says:

    I suppose the difference is the policies it requires one to endorse and the consequences and the relative influence of Somali-Americans. But then we all already knew that.

  12. Which way Democrats?

    Kamala Harris or Ilhan Omar?

    Aipac Chopra or Mogadishu Mary?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @lavoisier
  13. How many Democrats thought that the election of a bunch of young, diverse, female, Democratic representative was a trump card for the party in November 2018?

    How many think so now?

    • Agree: Jay Fink
  14. They’re going to have to do something about that woman.

    First she claimed that politicians who supported Israel did so because of all the donations that produced. Now this.

    What a foul calumny! Iraq, Syria, our upcoming war with Iran — these are all fought in pursuit of our own interests. Of course they are.

    Wake me up when it looks like we’re about to fight a trillion-dollar war on behalf of Ms Omar’s clan.

    • Agree: Gordo
  15. @Kirt

    ‘Everybody is descended from some family or other. Has Rep. Omar introduced some legislation to benefit the Isaaqis?’

    If not, she’d best get started. The Israel Lobby’s built up a hell of a lead.

  16. @Kirt

    The first clue will be who she employs on her personal staff.

  17. wren says:

    And don’t forget that Ilhan’s family got booted out of Somalia because her dad worked for the evil führer Siad Barre, and he was overthrown by a fed-up populace, or something like that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siad_Barre

  18. ‘Rep. Ilhan Omar accuses Israel supporters of “allegiance to a foreign country” ‘

    I’m afraid I can only cheer her on. You go, girl. More problems like this, we can use.

  19. It was once considered “anti-Semitic” to impute “dual loyalty” to Jews — that is, to assert that most American Jews divide their loyalty between the United States and Israel. This is now passé. Today most politicians assume, as a matter of course, that Israel commands the primary loyalty of Jewish voters. Are they accused of “anti-Semitism” for doing so? Does this assumption cost them Jewish votes? Not at all! Dual loyalty nothing! Dual loyalty would be an improvement!

    http://www.sobran.com/fearofjews.shtml

  20. JimDandy says:

    It’s basically a warning–“Call me out on the Muslim stuff, and I will articulate the hypocrisy of claiming to be a patriotic when you are actually just another one of the stooges who turned America into a vassal state for Israel.

    I’m enjoying it.

  21. J.Ross says: • Website

    >more like ma-jareer-teen
    Jareer = kinky hair like a black African, also serves as an epithet meaning the same. The opposite is jilec or smooth hair. He callin her a nappy headed ho.
    Look at all this cultural enrichment we’re learning about!
    https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Bantu

  22. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    ‘AOC is head of domestic policy, Omar foreign policy. Ladies & gentlemen, the ‘new’ Democrat party!’

    Considering the old Democratic party…

    Somehow, I suspect the Somali yoke will prove easier to shake off than the Zionist one.

  23. @George Taylor

    She was probably encouraged by the fact that Minnesota’s Boschwitz-Wellstone-Coleman-Franken seat is goy again.

    Minneapolitans once had few blacks to pick on, so they concentrated on Jews. They were covenanted out to St Paul and St Louis Park.

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/10/18/anti_semitism_mpls_history

    https://religionsmn.carleton.edu/exhibits/show/the-st–louis-park-eruv–jewis/history/anti-semtisim-in-minneapolis

    http://www.startribune.com/anti-semitism-flared-in-minnesota-long-ago/416516923/

    “GENTILES PREFERRED”: Minneapolis Jews and Employment, 1920-1950

  24. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle kosher.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  25. It’s funny how far things have to go before they become a problem for the people who matter. It’s only when the Somali community gets large enough to send a representative to Congress, and that representative rubs the pro-Israel lobby the wrong way, that the policymakers acknowledge there may be a clash of cultures going on in this one instance.

  26. Sailer’s tweet is kinda weird – it’s the sort of thing I might post when drunk, in the mistaken belief that I had embedded an in-joke by way of contrast.

    I’ll admit right off the bat that I have fuck-all interest in Omar, or in any politician – I will start being vaguely interested (and entertained) if the entire political class starts succumbing to a fatal and painful form of haemorrhagic fever, but not before.

    Still… to refer to Omar as having first allegiance to a clan, simply because she was raised in that clan’s territory, seems a stretch. Especially when she wasn’t.

    Her mother was a Benadiri, and Mogadishu is Benadiri/Xamar turf; her father was a Somali (the tribal identifier, not the nationality – although he was that too). She was raised in Baidoa, which is in Bay province (again, not Majerteen).

    Whence the Majerteen reference?

  27. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Kirt

    Whereas the Christian thumb-twiddling about angels on the head of a pin actually had a legitimate philosophical pursuit, an enormous amount of time is wasted by Muslims agonizing over claimed Prophetic descent and consequent patrimony. Muhammad was not only a prophet but an earthly authority with a government, and any family connection to him or his officers, no matter how tenuous, is taken pretty seriously. This is the original basis of Shi’ism (which subsequently invented mysticisms far more logical than “we think that other guy should have won”), but also of numerous Sunni cultural institutions such as the title Sayyid (which denotes a descendent of the prophet; != Sa’id, which is a name). There are also hilariously serious claims to be descended from the Companions of the Prophet. This is what happens when you don’t require clerical celibacy.

  28. BenKenobi says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m afraid she’s our golem, now.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Lurker
  29. indocon says:

    Would conservative whites please for a moment and take a pass on worrying about Israel? In these bleak times there is one hope, if Jews in US who by some account fund half of Democratic Party coffers are suddenly made to realize that the party they are funding is going all in on hurting their real motherland, without conservative whites acting as a backstops! Maybe they turn off the pocket books.

    Bur no, most likely, conservative (ultimately stupid) whites will not let someone else get in-front of them in defending Israel, while their own homeland is being taken from them everyday.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Fred Boynton
  30. wren says:
    @wren

    https://www.somalinet.com/forums_archives/6050/6946.html

    Siad Barre, will go down in History as the Black Hitler, a Man who Killed and destroyed a whole generation of People. His brutality did not know any bounds, he killed the Imams and even bombed his own people who dared to oppose his dictatorial Regime. Somalia is Today haunted by the ghosts of the innocent people who died in the hands of the Black Hitler. The country will never know peace untill the cronies who supported this Monster are brought to justice. Siad, the Black Hitler died in shame after beign chased out of the Country. He might have escaped justice in this World, but he will Never escape the justice that is waitting for him in the Day of judgement.

  31. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Quit complicating this — she’s Muslim, female, and light brown, all right? What’s wanted around here, if someone can help us find his balls, is the Great White Defender!

    Which you knew all along ….

  32. @Bazarny K

    It may be amusing, but it is, above all, right.

    When she DOES something wrong or demonstrates HER dual loyalty, I’ll be ready to zero in on her. For now though, as she attacks Jewish dual loyalism, I’m right with her.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @415 reasons
  33. Mulegino1 says:

    Omar has been taught a lesson: when multiculturalism and AIPAC clash, multiculturalism must lose in deference to the nation that the overwhelming majority of the members of Congress owe their primary loyalty to- or else.

    How dare Omar simply state what virtually every American with their head not stuck up their behind or inside some rapture ready mega-church already knows to be true?

    This old saw never gets old: “To learn who rules over you, find out whom it is forbidden to criticize.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. @Kratoklastes

    Agree. I like a lot of what Steve Sailer writes, but here, he is trying to show that he’s an even-handed kinda guy–not anti-Israel/Jew. It’s silly. But not every post can be a gem, and those who use their real names in public debate, as Steve does, must spend a little time protecting themselves from the viciousness of political Jewry.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  35. @wren

    Wasn’t Siad Barre the guy from Pink Floyd?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  36. @George

    Just the widow Bowie ones, please. Newman doctrine applies.

  37. yarrrrr says:

    He returned to his East African homeland, becoming Somalia’s National Marine Transport director.

    Does that job come with a ceremonial eye patch and parrot?

  38. Dtbb says:

    Who knew that the bar scene from “Star Wars” was prophetic of the future democrat party? Millenial hawks?

  39. The US simplicity backs the Isaaqs by bolstering Djibouti. Djibouti used to be called The Kingdom ofnthe Isaaqs and Afaars. France, and now the US has pretty serious military bases there, giving it a de facto power way beyond what you’d think

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  40. J.Ross says: • Website

    I am not understanding these wierdly cautious rejections of this legitimate and clever topic post, especially the part arguing about whether Omar really is in which tribe (Steve isn’t speculating, he posted the cite. Maybe the cite is wrong but it’s a reasonable statement). And as for balance regarding Jews, the entire reason why Jews are a pain in the ass (insofar as they are) is not intellect, or aptitude, or cuisine, or eye color, it’s the exact same reason why Somalis can’t get their national act together.

  41. The contrast between her family history and her refugee status is not surprising.

    When ISIS was genociding Yazidis and Christians in Syria, British SJWs were eager to welcome Syrian “refugees” via Calais. They literally did not care whether any of the migrants had participated in the genocide, as long as their immigration “rubbed the Right’s nose in diversity”.

    Ilhan Omar is performing a public service, by reminding pro-refugee Jewish Americans that some migrants are far less agreeable than white Gentile Americans.

    • Replies: @Thea
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Mr. Anon
  42. istevefan says:

    Men would shape her.

    But did they groom her?

  43. eah says:

    A rather strange, unintelligible post — it seems you are approaching a singularity of “wry detachment”, and your brains are being sucked out of your head.

    • Replies: @nsa
  44. @BenKenobi

    ‘I’m afraid she’s our golem, now.’

    That would be a comment on the rest of us then, wouldn’t it?

    Apparently, the best we can do for a champion is some frigging Somalitrix who wears a head scarf.

    Care to name a white man in Congress who is willing to stand up?

  45. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    I agree with her. So did the State Department until a (((court))) ruled otherwise. And also Canadian dual citizens: choose one or the other.

  46. anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bazarny K

    But it’s asinine to suggest Somalian tribes are doing more damage to America than Israeli tribes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  47. @Father O'Hara

    Yeah, he wrote the song Sharia on you Crazy Mohammad.

  48. istevefan says:
    @Colin Wright

    The only one that comes to mind is former congressman James Traficant.

  49. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
  50. istevefan says:
    @indocon

    Bur no, most likely, conservative (ultimately stupid) whites will not let someone else get in-front of them in defending Israel, while their own homeland is being taken from them everyday.

    Along those lines there is a guy who raises money in the USA for poor Jews in Israel and Ukraine. His business model is fund raising from Christian conservatives in America. You’d think he could just get a check from Sheldon Adelson if things were so bad.

    Eckstein’s trademark – tapping poor evangelical Christians in America’s South by showing them tear-jerking videos about poverty in Israel – is well-known. What is less well-known is that Eckstein himself is well compensated by the fund, taking in about a million dollars a year, including pension provisions.

  51. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @TelfoedJohn

    “Aipac Chopra” is pretty clever.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  52. nebulafox says:

    Steve, for the love of God, don’t be such a BoomerCon. When someone from the other side is right, then they are right. Israel is not the 51st state. Treating it as such is detrimental to the interests of the United States, end of story. If the person pointing this out is a black Muslima and the people attacking her are white men, then so be it. Screw the latter, support the former, at least on this issue. She’s got a pair, they don’t: or worse yet, they actually believe the crap they espouse, as I go into below.

    Ilhan Omar is not the one slobbering over a foreign government at the expense of American national interests, Jared Kushner is, whether it is the Sauds or the Israelis. Donald Trump is at best too indulgent with his daughter to fire him or yank the choke chain, and at worst simply too lazy and intellectually shallow to do anything but buy into the narrative presented by Fox and Friends.

    I do disagree with Omar on one point, though: I don’t think it is *all* about the Benjamins. Anti-Israel billionaires are as common as pro-Israeli ones, even within the Jewish community: Soros openly despises Netanyahu almost as much as he does Mahathir and Orban and Kaczynski, and vice versa. Left-wing American Jews are much more likely these days to think of the Israelis as an embarrassment than the inspiration their grandparents did in the 1960s, not too different from how upwardly mobile Southerners think of their relatives back home or how Singaporean Chinese think of FOB mainlander immigrants. No, I think it is more about evangelicals expecting the Second Coming in the GOP. I should know: I attended and played basketball games at schools in the Deep South that flew the Israeli flag along with the American one. That the people whom they support openly think they are nuts does not matter, as the Israelis have never had the luxury of being choosy, and the corporate sponsors of the Moral Majority have always ensured that the sheep toe the line on other issues, including tax cuts for plutocrats.

    • Replies: @Lot
  53. @Colin Wright

    Yeah, it’s interesting. The last person who stood up to the Jews was Cynthia McKinney, and we saw what they did with her career. Surprised she wasn’t arkancided.

    I find it rather strange to be rooting for a Somali refugee. The Nation of Islam I can understand, as at least African Americans never had much of a say in coming here. Seeing the recent imports act with no regard for Jewish power is kind of sobering. Even our best, such as Ron Paul, don’t dare critique Jewish culture or Jewish power, even when it was obvious that the PNAC crowd was luring the USA into a major disaster in Iraq.

  54. nebulafox says:
    @wren

    The overwhelming majority of Somalis hold the stability of Siad Barre’s reign in nostalgia, and it is hard to blame them.

  55. Anonymuse says:

    Ah refreshing truth. The gal is useful after all.

  56. • Replies: @Anon
  57. Jack D says:

    Immigrants – doing the jobs that Americans won’t do. We even need immigrants to accuse Jews of dual loyalty because Americans are no longer willing to do this work.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  58. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    I really appreciate Steve posting this.

    One obvious bug (or feature) of the coalition of tbe fringes or margins or whatever is that the fringes all have different and opposing wants and needs and motivations, etc, and they should be reminded of this, lest the media cover it up or not cover it.

    Now that Ilhan Omar and AOC and Tlaib whatever are the new face of the Democrats, Jewish donors and voters should be reminded of this at every opportunity possible, in my opinion.

    For a similar example, I read some nice fiction today.

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/28/wife-decided-abort-unborn-gay-son/

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  59. Rufus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Right… Trump’s mother from Atlantic island near the arttic circle, definite descendant of Muhamed.

  60. newrouter says:

    ot Mr Sailer who the heck is Amy Knight? What’s with this “Russian” thing? Projection: using State legal system to control? See Trump/Bibi?

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/03/21/boris-nemtsov-murder-crime-century/

  61. I could do without both Jews and Muslims. Neither group has any loyalty or attachment to America or Americans. They both deserve to be bottled up together in the ME.

  62. @Kratoklastes

    I think the joke was, “she’s not loyal to a foreign country, she’s loyal to a foreign clan”. But this is being stated with zero evidence.

    Quillette recently carried an odd little essay on how Al Shabab terrorism, and Somali separatism in Kenya, are both examples of Daroud expansionism (Daroud being a Somali clan), which is contrasted in the Quillette article with the Issaq democracy of Somaliland, another of the unrecognized successor states of the old Somalia.

    The Majerteen (MJ, in SomaliNet lingo) are Daroud, and I speculated at Quillette that this was the start of a subterranean push back against Omar for criticizing AIPAC. Weaken Jewish power in America, and we’ll weaken MJ power in Somalia, something like that. Maybe Steve has been recruited to the anti-MJ conspiracy?

    My own half-baked thought about Somalis is that they are the Serbs/Croats/Bosnians of East Africa… Heirs of a single state (Yugoslavia, Somalia) that was torn apart after the cold war and replaced with a confusing group of smaller states which echo their ingroup differences.

  63. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous

    Where did anyone suggest this?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  64. Thea says:
    @James N. Kennett

    A lot of reform Jews a agree with her. She is a win-win for them. Rub our noses in it and piss off dad in one shot.

  65. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    I think a practical way to outlaw dual citizenship would be to work with Israel, Canada, Mexico, and the other major offenders on their creating some sort of special non-immigrant multiple reentry visa category, with no right to vote, for former citizens (in the case of Canada and Mexico) or for those whose religion would entitle them to citizenship if they chose that (for Israel).

    Japan has a special visa category for Japanese of Korean descent who are uncomfortable with (or socially pressured into not applying for) Japanese citizenship, an enhanced permanent resident status, with no voting and no upper-level government employment.

    On the opposite front, it should be much easier to give up your American citizenship. The State Department charges thousands of dollars to set up a meeting at the embassy where in the end they may refuse to let you renounce your citizenship, putting the U.S. in the same category as China and Iran.

  66. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    You know, I’m finally beginning to come around to this diversity stuff. Ilhan Omar is showing that unaired viewpoints can come from a diverse legislature.

    I used to think of diversity as a way to do focus groups without having to take out ads (e.g., the female on the car interior design group points out that women want a place to hand their handbag), at the cost of a tense, bickering workplace. But if diversity is actually an Overton Window opener, hey, I’m all in.

  67. Whiskey says: • Website

    Not getting it. Steve sees it. Do you hate Jews and Israel more than your own survival?

    Survey says yes.

    Democrats cannot run on Somali or mysterious foreign people candidates and no Jewish money and leadership.

    Imagine the Dems run by Ilhan Omars all the way up or down.

    Reps would get 98% of the White vote every time.

    Jews will not be tolerated in Dem politics now that it is appreciably Muslim same as Labor party.

    Make urban Liberal professional Jews bear the full cost now of imported Muslims. They won’t join Reps but will stop donating and be kicked out of all leadership roles.

    The Woman’s March was a forerunner of that. So too Jeremy Corbyn. Remove Jewish leadership and money and you have the Black Hebrew Israelites. A win for White males.

  68. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    You know, it really kind of bugs me that the Jonathan Chaits of the world are making me take the side of Ilhan Omar.

    I wish things didn’t have to be this way, but I guess that’s just one of the joys of diversity.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Lot
  69. Lurker says:
    @BenKenobi

    Round up the usual golems.

  70. @Oscar Peterson

    Yea cause wearing a Hijab is as American as apple pie.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @AndrewR
  71. @Whiskey

    ‘…Imagine the Dems run by Ilhan Omars all the way up or down…’

    Sounds like a win-win to me. What’s the down side?

  72. @Rufus

    ‘Right… Trump’s mother from Atlantic island near the arttic circle, definite descendant of Muhamed.’

    Barbary pirates did raid as far as Iceland. What’s wrong with the Isle of Lewis?

  73. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse

    You’re right. All of the dual loyalists (let’s be honest: single-loyalists) need to go.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  74. @Rufus

    Right… Trump’s mother from Atlantic island near the arttic circle, definite descendant of Muhamed.

    Your antecedents of thirteen centuries ago are best described not by “an order of magnitude”, but by an order of magnitude of orders of magnitude. There will be over a trillion.

    https://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/indonesia/609/

    https://www.quora.com/How-is-Queen-Elizabeth-a-descendant-from-the-Prophet-Mohammed

    Now, “definite” is a stretch, as documentary proof varies in quality throughout the ages. “Plausible” is a better term. And what’s decidedly less plausible is that, as Mohammed had royal descendants in Europe a thousand years ago, Mrs Trump, Her Majesty, and you would have no such descent at all.

    Indeed, if the odds are one-in-a-million, you might have a million such descents. However, if this bothers you (I want to take a shower myself), realize that your descents from Charlemagne, and hence Charles Martel, will be a large multiple of this.

    Here is Her Majesty’s line, from the link above:

    Elizabeth II, Queen of the UK – daughter of
    George VI, King of the UK – son of
    George V, King of the UK – son of
    Edward VII, King of the UK – son of
    Victoria, Queen of the UK – daughter of
    Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn – son of
    George III, King of Great Britain – son of
    Frederick, Prince of Wales – son of
    George II, King of Great Britain – son of
    George I, King of Great Britain – son of
    Sophia, Electress of Hanover – daughter of
    Elizabeth of Bohemia – daughter of
    James I/VI, King of England, Ireland & Scotland – son of
    Mary, Queen of Scots – daughter of
    James V, King of Scots – son of
    Margaret Tudor – daughter of
    Elizabeth of York – daughter of
    Edward IV, King of England – son of
    Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York – son of
    Richard of Conisburgh, Earl of Cambridge – son of
    Isabella Perez of Castille – daughter of
    Maria Juana de Padilla – daughter of
    Maria Fernandez de Henestrosa – daughter of
    Aldonza Ramirez de Cifontes – daughter of
    Aldonza Gonsalez Giron – daughter of
    Sancha Rodriguez de Lara – daughter of
    Rodrigo Rodriguez de Lara – son of
    Sancha Alfonsez, Infanta of Castile – daughter of
    Zaida (aka Isabella) – daughter of
    Al-Mu’tamid ibn Abbad, King of Seville – son of
    Abbad II al-Mu’tadid, King of Seville – son of
    Abu al-Qasim Muhammad ibn Abbad, King of Seville – son of
    Ismail ibn Qarais – son of
    Qarais ibn Abbad – son of
    Abbad ibn Amr – son of
    Amr ibn Aslan – son of
    Aslan ibn Amr – son of
    Amr ibn Itlaf – son of
    Itlaf ibn Na’im – son of
    Na’im II al-Lakhmi – son of
    Na’im al-Lakhmi – son of
    Zahra bint Husayn – daughter of
    Husayn ibn Hasan – son of
    Hasan ibn Ali – son of
    Fatima – daughter of
    Muhammad

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  75. @Whiskey

    Imagine the Dems run by Ilhan Omars all the way up or down.

    Reps would get 98% of the White vote every time.

    You wish. This is the demography of Ilhan’s district:

    Ethnicity
    67.39% White
    16.64% Black
    6.05% Asian
    8.81% Hispanic
    1.23% Native American

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota%27s_5th_congressional_district

    Democrats cannot run on Somali or mysterious foreign people candidates and no Jewish money and leadership.

    Interestingly, except for a few weeks after Paul Wellstone’s death, this is the first time since Jimmy Carter’s day that neither of Minnesota’s US Senators was Jewish.

  76. Anon[535] • Disclaimer says:

    I love Steve’s journalism, but an entire sarcastic article gives me a headache. I can’t, and more importantly don’t want to, discern where the sarcasm begins and ends throughout. Its axiomatic that sarcasm doesn’t convey well in writing. (Gets down off of soapbox).

    Islam is dumbed down Judaism for the stupid and violent. Its a little less of a threat, but not much less in the end. That end merely looks slightly different under either religion’s yolk.

    Until all Semitic religious influence is minimized if not outright rejected from this nation, we are going to continue to have major problems.

    After all, each Semitic religion embraces the very same apocalyptic worldview. That means that each religion is actively driving us toward that result.

    Semitic religious adherents should be disqualified from leadership, due to the implicit mental health corruption involved in believing that the most desirable outcome is a worldwide genocide and that we are to actively move toward it.

    If someone told you that is what they believed in, but did not couch its as a religious belief, you would not disagree with having them committed.

    Yet we not only allow Jews, Muslims, and Christians who believe in all of that to serve as our highest leaders, we often actively look for membership in at least one or two of those religions as a qualifying characteristic.

  77. Frank G says:

    There’s an inescapable dullness in the eyes of this new crop of congresswomen

  78. Lot says:
    @nebulafox

    “Israel is not the 51st state.”

    It is our crusader state.

  79. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    steve’s splenetic post preceding these comments

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  80. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @415 reasons

    signed,

    a senile boomer who unironically thinks a kippah is as American as apple pie

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @415 reasons
  81. Lot says:
    @anon

    “making me take the side of Ilhan Omar.”

    It’s inevitable that loser antisemites like you and Colin Wright will end up with the Islamo-left alliance.

    Please be more vocal about it. The left wing media gave Richard Spencer massive airtime and endless interviews to scare American Jews away from Trump.

    You’re much more useful tweeting to MSM journalists at how happy you are a member of Congress is finally naming the Jew.

    And really, the left is your only hope and natural home. How did Paul Nehlan do? But Ilhan won big and now had a safe seat for life! (I expect we’ll get rid of Rashida Thlaib in 2020, but who knows.)

  82. Lagertha says:

    No, Steve. The great gift (for the world 😉 ) is that people like Omar will splinter the Left/liberals/Democrats/Progressives for 10-50 years.

    Nothing will ever be enough for these women like, Omar, Cortez, Tlaib, other, pissed-off women (they have never witnessed life as strong, sexually equal, voting woman like Scandinavians)…so they are gonna totally go “nuclear” for every petty or important issue…and they will not acquiesce to Jews.

    White women will be foiled and discarded (as will all those Beta males that Whiskey drones on about). I will be most curious when feckless, white, Progressive women realize that their kids are toast/they are toast, if they have not realized this steamroller over their kids in the last 20 years. And, Cuaron-level kids, will also be overlooked. Hmmm? At what point will rich Latinos realized that “forces” will be coming after their wealth?

  83. The left wing media gave Richard Spencer massive airtime and endless interviews to scare American Jews away from Trump.

    But almost none to Robert Spencer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer_(author)

    Poor Robert suffers enough troubles from the paranoid. I asked him about Richard after a talk, and he expressed exasperation at always being confused with the guy.

    • Replies: @Lot
  84. duncsbaby says:
    @Kirt

    Everybody is descended from some family or other. Has Rep. Omar introduced some legislation to benefit the Isaaqis?

    If you had read iSteve’s article a little more closely you would know that Rep. Omar is no friend of the Isaaqis.

    Personally I find this very fascinating. Omar was a member of the privileged elite in Somalia & now is crafting out for herself a membership in America’s new privileged elite by positioning herself as a member of the oppressed. Nifty trick.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @bomag
  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous

    This is a lie, and lying it makes you a liar. Steve jokes about Somalis and talks a bit about their history, concluding with a reference to hate hoaxes. At no time does he say they’re more damaging than anyone else because he never makes a comparison like that.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  86. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “In a 2006 interview, Spencer stated that his grandparents were forced to emigrate from an area that is now part of Turkey because they were Christians”

    The Unzer Ilhan-fan crew, like their purple hair genderqueer allies, love talking about the plight of muh Palestinians. But never a word about the past century of Islamic conquest and genocide against near east Christians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  87. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    It is our crusader state.

    1. I am pretty sure that the warriors of the First Crusade were not very kind to the Jews of Jerusalem.

    2. That map didn’t stay that way very long.

    3. Israel IS a crusader state, but it is just not “ours.”*

    *Citizens of the United States of America. Only someone with a “dual allegiance” would equate the wellbeing of Israel with that of the United States. And I write that as someone who worked in Israel and has friendly feelings toward the people of Israel.

    Dual allegiance… isn’t. Choose a freaking country, and then be loyal to it.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @neutral
  88. Paul says:

    Now why would anyone suspect the Israel Lobby of anything but total allegiance to the United States? That lass is obviously confused.

    • Agree: Lot
    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  89. @Oscar Peterson

    Steve was getting too popular and influential so we finally had to buy him out.

    He’ll continue alluding to his 1960s ranch house and his parched little lawn in the San Fernando Valley but rest assured we’ve already got him set up in Malibu. Bought the Lebowski mansion for him.

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  90. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    The Unzer Ilhan-fan crew, like their purple hair genderqueer allies, love talking about the plight of muh Palestinians. But never a word about the past century of Islamic conquest and genocide against near east Christians.

    1. My counterpart/bodyguard/minder in Israel when I was there was a Sabra who had grown up among Arabs and later killed a good many of them in combat. Yet he had profound sympathies for the ordinary Palestinians.

    2. He had a pretty dim view of chicken-hawk American Jews (and an especially negative opinion of the American Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in Judea and Samaria, aka the West Bank).

    3. “Muh Palestians” include a lot of those Eastern Christians. Indeed one of the most tragic results (for me as a Christian) of the Israeli occupation has been the depopulation/outmigration of the native Christians of the Holy Land. Now, don’t get me wrong. I am not suggesting that Israelis picked on only Christian Arabs. The Christian ones typically were better educated/skilled and more Western-oriented, so they were better able to out-migrate. But it does fit the Israeli agenda better for their enemies to be Muslims, rather than Christians for obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Tyrion 2
    , @Anonymous
  91. bomag says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I have to say that Ilhan Omar has some instincts for sniffing out power and weakness.

    Not the kind you really want to import as a new ruling class.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  92. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “1. I am pretty sure that the warriors of the First Crusade were not very kind to the Jews”

    They had the right to pillage it under the law of war. In any event, that was a long time ago, and Trump onows better now.

    “2. That map didn’t stay that way very long.”

    The Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted two glorious centuries.

    “Israel IS a crusader state, but it is just not “ours.”

    You put way too much stock in political formalities. Most Americans know better.

    “Only someone with a “dual allegiance” would equate the wellbeing of Israel with that of the United States. ”

    Again, most Americans know better. I guess it helps to have Anglo-Saxon and Frankish blood. Though my mostly Italian brother Jair gets it! That’s the River Jordan.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @IC8
  93. @bomag

    She is asking for a well-backed primary opponent in 2020. Of course if she loses she’ll have to comfort herself with the satisfaction that she was right.

  94. do (they) have dual loyalties though? seems pretty evident they only have one loyalty.

  95. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “an especially negative opinion of the American Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in Judea and Samaria, aka the West Bank”

    Ah, the Thomas Friedman style citation to a random local dude who happens to agree with you completely!

    What’s the actual policy toward American Jewish settlers in Judea of the political parties thay 90% of Israeli Jews support?

    “the depopulation/outmigration of the native Christians of the Holy Land”

    As opposed to the Lebanese Christians, who all stayed put. Or the Armenian Christians, who did just fine under Muslim rule, right? The actual reality in Israel: Christians joining the IDF even though they are exempted from the draft.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @neutral
  96. Mr. Anon says:
    @Whiskey

    Yet another entirely scots-irish-free post from that favorite son of Caledonia, “Whiskey”. Only one tribe seems to stir Whiskey’s loyalty, and they don’t wear kilts.

  97. nebulafox says:
    @Lot

    The Crusaders doomed the New Rome which bailed their barbarian ancestor’s butts out in 717 when Europe languished in the Dark Ages…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Lot
    , @snorlax
  98. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    Ah, the Thomas Friedman style citation to a random local dude who happens to agree with you completely!

    Not random local dude. Former Israeli commando and later security services.

    As opposed to the Lebanese Christians, who all stayed put. Or the Armenian Christians, who did just fine under Muslim rule, right? The actual reality in Israel: Christians joining the IDF even though they are exempted from the draft.

    Notwithstanding your happy propaganda picture, British Mandate Palestine was 30% Christian in 1948. In Israel and PA-controlled territories, they are 1.25% of the population.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Shmendrix
  99. RobUK says:

    Rep. Omar’s sole allegiance is to the Majeerten Clan.

    And the Ummah, of course.

  100. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    The Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted two glorious centuries.

    Sadly not so glorious since it was beset by constant dissension and shrinking of territories.

    Me :“Only someone with a “dual allegiance” would equate the wellbeing of Israel with that of the United States. ”

    You: Again, most Americans know better. I guess it helps to have Anglo-Saxon and Frankish blood.

    The appeal to WN here to justify your divided loyalty is, I don’t think, is quite sly enough to fool anyone. Don’t fit the stereotype, “fellow white person.”

    Neither the Anglo-Saxons nor the Franks were that fond of Jews.

    • Replies: @Lot
  101. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “British Mandate Palestine was 30% Christian in 1948”

    Not even close.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  102. Give us your tired, your poor, your wretched refuse … and your psychopathic mass murderers while you’re at it.

  103. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    I was good and didn’t rise to your escalations, but why on earth are you still LARPing? My “bodyguard/counterpart”…give me a break…

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Anonymous
  104. @nebulafox

    Nothing personal … just business.

  105. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    Not even close.

    Do tell, then.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @PiltdownMan
  106. @duncsbaby

    Omar was a member of the privileged elite in Somalia & now is crafting out for herself a membership in America’s new privileged elite by positioning herself as a member of the oppressed. Nifty trick.

    A trick that almost every non-white third-world elite class immigrant into our country has learned to play, when lacking any obvious economic value-add skills.

    And sometimes they do both. Mr. Sailer wrote about Jaya Saxena a couple of days ago, she who tied herself up into knots about both her minority identity, as well as her Indian Brahmin background. Kamala Harris, who makes much of her Jamaican mulatto ancestry, but whose Indian immigrant mother boasted proudly to her new-found American compatriots about her 1,000 year Tamil Brahmin “bloodline.”

    And so on.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  107. @Twinkie

    In his book about early Christianity, From the Holy Mountain, William Dalrymple wrote quite a bit also about the generally unsympathetic environment for Eastern Christianity within the modern Israeli state—how it has resulted in out-migration and the fragmenting of a two-millenia old local culture and the undermining of its rituals and traditions.

    But looking at my copy, the book lacks any specific statistics.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  108. neutral says:
    @Lot

    Cuckservatism does not only occur amongst white people, those Lebanese Christians clearly are total cucks.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  109. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “The appeal to WN”

    ???

    Pride in NW European ancestry and our accomplishments isn’t WN.

    “quite sly enough to fool anyone. ”

    I am right, most Americans agree with me, and so does everyone important. I don’t need to be sly or fool people!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  110. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    You are going to high-five a known troll and sock puppet user who present fake statistics, because what? He is a fellow Jew? He is not even an American.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  111. neutral says:
    @Twinkie

    Dual allegiance… isn’t. Choose a freaking country, and then be loyal to it.

    Ultimately there is no dual allegiance, their loyalty is always to Israel, their fake allegiance towards America is only there not to make so obvious that even the dim witted patriotards might notice things.

  112. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    You were fitting within the popular definition of “stealing valour”. A lot of people get annoyed by that.

    Making fun of you for using said stolen valour as the denoument to your every argument is not trolling. It was doing a public service.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Lot
  113. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    7.2% in 1947.

    I’ve seen conflicting numbers from 30% to a figure lower than what you quoted. But even if I were to accept your number for the sake of argument, you do realize that even 7.2% to 1.25% is a dramatic reduction?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Lot
  114. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    I am right, most Americans agree with me, and so does everyone important. I don’t need to be sly or fool people!

    The lady doth protest too much.

  115. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    1.25% of 13,000,000 = 162,500

    7.2% of 1,900,000 = 136,800

    So not even a reduction…

  116. Twinkie says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I’m someone who is friendly toward Israel, and hold Israelis in high regard (but that’s not enough for a lot of these anxious and insecure Diaspora Jewish supremacists – they want me to grovel and believe every piece of propaganda, and equate the well-being of Israel with that of my own country).

    I spent time in Israel. I was in West Bank (including Beit Jala, which is a prosperous Christian town). Anyone who’s ever been there and knows even a tiny modicum of history know that Arab-Israeli conflicts have been a disaster to the Christians in the region, with substantial outmigration.

    Nazareth was majority Christian in the 19th century, but is now only 30% Christian.

  117. Shmendrix says:
    @Twinkie

    The trend throughout the Middle East is Muslims chasing out or outbreeding the Christians. Of all the gripes one may have about Israel, persecution of Christians is not among them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  118. Shmendrix says:
    @Twinkie

    You’d be surprised how many random local dudes around here are “former Israeli commando and later security services.”

  119. @Anon

    I prefer the phrase “dual-treason”. Then again, the book Killer Elite claimed the intel unit it profiled liked to recruit people born in another country, then moved here when young. That way, they’d have a legitimate non-US passport.

  120. @Lot

    A little too intellectual for the No Israel, Mo Welfare crowd here.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anon
  121. APilgrim says:

    The God-Damned, Insurrectionist, Taqiyya Lying, Un-American, Anti-Semitic, Socialist, Deportable, Beotch …

    Has a Point,

    ALL Dual Citizens should be removed from government positions, stripped of their USA citizenship and chain-deported.

  122. nebulafox says:
    @Redneck farmer

    But alas, not intellectual enough for the “Treat Israel More Like Just Another Allied Country, Spend Less Time Fellating Oligarchs” crowd.

  123. Looking at Ilhan, she’s not unattractive. Maybe one of us BAP types can get her to drop the anti-white diversity uber alles stuff and introduce her to an alternative.

    That being said we will have to accept the occasional tweet storm about the perfidy of white men when our chosen squire doesn’t text back fast enough to “hey whut u doin? :)” at 1 am.

  124. They should adopt Steve. He could pass as a honorary Majeerteen.

  125. Arclight says:

    Omar is vile – it’s bad enough to have so many leftists who hate this country in elected positions, much less an immigrant who hates her new country – but I am going to enjoy her propensity to say stuff like this a lot.

    Jewish donors provide a huge amount of money to the Democratic and progressive causes and have enabled the rise of Omar, Tlaib, AOC, etc. The old guard doesn’t want to rock the boat, but it looks like this group doesn’t care and they have the potential to grow in numbers. It’s going to be a lot harder to hold together the coalition of the fringes when the new blood hates the group that provides the cash and cultural firepower the left depends on.

  126. Svigor says:

    Yeah but where’s the lie tho?

    In contrast to Israel supporters, recent iSteve regular Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Mogadishupolis) has NO “allegiance to a foreign country.” Somalia is no longer a country.

    Nor is Rep. Omar motivated whatsoever by any tribal rivalries, because all true Somalis belong to only one tribe. Instead, Rep. Omar’s sole allegiance is to the Majeerten Clan.

    Weeeellll, if that’s how the Jews feel, I think I’ll let them say so.

    And if it isn’t, well, I doubt they’d feel comfortable with any of us making their arguments for them.

    Okay, found the (((lie))):

    Rep. Ilhan Omar accuses Israel supporters of “allegiance to a foreign country”

  127. Anon[849] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    So you’re a Jew pretending to be a redneck farmer? How many other screen names do you have? What kind of person needs to create a false identity just to sell their viewpoint? That is sickness. You are going to be punished for your deceitful act.

    I’m relatively neutral on this issue, but the Jews aren’t winning too many allies here with their obnoxious and sick behavior. Apparently they think anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a white trash loser on welfare. It’s no wonder they developed such a bad reputation in pretty much every European host country.

    A little too intellectual for the No Israel, Mo Welfare crowd here.

    I’ve been reading this blog for a long time and no one here has expressed any position in favor of welfare, much less an entire crowd. You are a sick deceitful liar grasping at straws. I feel bad for you.

  128. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    It’s inevitable that loser antisemites like you and Colin Wright will end up with the Islamo-left alliance.

    Struck a nerve, did I?

    Maybe I’d take your criticism more seriously if you could explain what is anti-Semitic about acknowledging the fact that Israel hawks feel loyalty to Israel. I mean. They say that they do. They just get really mad when you point out that they say that they do.

    There’s just one word for a group of people who scream at you and call you a Nazi for pointing out what they say about themselves: “likeable”.

  129. Only a Black, female, Muslim, leftist refugee has enough intersectional Pokemon points to call out Jewish dual loyalty in public, so I’m just going to get some popcorn for this one.

  130. @Svigor

    And if you know the last two are true….

  131. @Reg Cæsar

    So you’re saying Queen Elizabeth II is less Muslim than Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  132. @Colin Wright

    Steve King stood up briefly, before all of Congress joined in unanimously smacking him down.

  133. @Rufus

    Right… Trump’s mother from Atlantic island near the arttic circle, definite descendant of Muhamed.

    The odds are strongly yes.

    Descendants of Mohammed were fighting–and raping–in France in the 8th Century. And, of course, were complelely enscounced in Spain, which exchanged both brides and traders and soldiers with a lot of places.

    Could someone in some far off island manage to be completely inbred. Sure, it’s not impossible. But the odds are against it.

    I’m a descendant of Mohammed. So what? Doesn’t mean i have to like the guy or want any muzzies around.

  134. @Svigor

    It can be hard to do leftist parody in this age, because the leftists do the parody themselves.

  135. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    I disagree. Mr. Sailer demeaned this woman for the titillation of the boys here in their White tree fort and/or to distract people from what she said.

    Divided >>> Conquered.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  136. Gordo says:
    @anonymous

    what in the world?

    this is some seriously garbage boomer-posting.

    did she hurt some precious Jewish feelings? And now Steve is enraged? Jesus

    I was wondering that, surely a citizenist should oppose dual nationality and dual loyalty, even if a Somali raises the issue.

  137. APilgrim says:

    Any member of congress, federal judge, cabinet member and other high government official, holding dual citizenship, should be thrown out of office, PROSECUTED and JAILED for constitutional insurrection. Their citizenship should subsequently be stripped from them as they are deported.

    That of course includes ALL the God-Damned, Insurrectionist, Taqiyya Lying, Un-American, Anti-Semitic, Socialist, Deportable … Muhammadans.

  138. @James N. Kennett

    Ilhan Omar is performing a public service, by reminding pro-refugee Jewish Americans that some migrants are far less agreeable than white Gentile Americans.

    Nobody on the planet could be as agreeable to another–prickily separate–tribe as white Gentile Americans have been to the Jews. (As accomodating, as easy to push aside, as “thank-you-sir-may-i-have-anther.)

    Yet, we get nothing but whining about the Golfocaust, Harvard quotas, white shoe law firms … up through attempts to blame Brooklyn turf warfare between blacks and Hasidim on whites.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Tyrion 2
  139. LondonBob says:

    Elliot Abrams debating US foreign policy with Omar reminded me of the Russian poster or saying during the Stalin Trotsky clash, so the Jews and the Georgians have fallen out over who should rule over the Russians.

  140. OP says:

    You should be noticing this too, “man who notices.” You boomers and your Jeudophilia.

    Should she be here? NO. Is she a hypocrite? Yes. Is she wrong? Absolutely not.

  141. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s impossible for a sane and decent person to like Israelis if you’ve ever met any.

    Hold them in high regard? Just try getting on an airplane with them.

  142. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Chuck Schumer declares his sacred obligation as a guardian of Israel at AIPAC.

  143. Not Raul says:

    This incident reminds me of the time when Unz was bashed by Hillel for mentioning what percentage of Ivy League students are Jewish, when Unz got that data from public statements by Hillel.

    There are people in Congress who boast in public about their allegiance to Israel. Is it really so anti-Semitic to take them at their word?

  144. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are you busting her chops? She merely said what all the white lawmakers are too gutless to say. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We need all the help we can get to end Zionist influence in our media, and Omar was spot on. I hope she keeps up the criticism of Israel and keeps jabbing it to the treasonous rats running our government.

  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I was good and didn’t rise to your escalations, but why on earth are you still LARPing? My “bodyguard/counterpart”…give me a break…

    I knew a guy who was assigned a bodyguard when he visited Israel on business. This was during the Intifada, when there were a lot of suicide bombings. It wasn’t uncommon.

    The only one I’ve seen LARPing here is you, manlet.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Twinkie
  146. @anonymous

    I’m definitely not a boomer, and I definitely never said that.

  147. Mr. Anon says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Yet, we get nothing but whining about the Golfocaust, Harvard quotas, white shoe law firms … up through attempts to blame Brooklyn turf warfare between blacks and Hasidim on whites.

    We don’t even get one single f**king concession about our gripes from those on this board who are ostensibly like-minded allies. It’s all hail-and-good-fellow-well-met when they see us as allies against muslims. But should we vent a little about some of the shenanigans their tribesmen get up to – like exerting massive influence on our government for the sake of a foreign country – it’s all just: you’re a bitter loser, you’re an anti-semite, your an inbred yokel, etc.

    We should stop seeking to make common cause with people who openly or not so openly despise us. We need to do what is right for us, and to Hell with everyone else.

    • Replies: @Lot
  148. @Lot

    scare American Jews away from Trump.

    With most of you having been here over 100 years now and having met lots of the locals, you should be harder to “scare”.

    • Replies: @anon
  149. Mr. Anon says:
    @Svigor

    The last two are desmonstrably true. So what are we to conclude about the first?

  150. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You were fitting within the popular definition of “stealing valour”. A lot of people get annoyed by that.

    No, and you are just lying – as is often your wont.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Twinkie
  151. Mr. Anon says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Omar is performing a public service by speaking the truth – that the government is, in large measure, captive to a foreign lobby.

    I would still prefer that she and her people had never come here, and I certainly don’t want them ascending to positions of responsibility.

  152. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Shmendrix

    Jews hold that Israel must be cleansed of Christians for their Messianic period to arrive. That must happen within the next 221 years. Some orthodox Jews are instigating for that to occur as soon as possible.

    If doctrinal ethnic cleansing isn’t persecution, then I do not know what is.

    Look for it to occur in the context of Jews instigating a war between Christians and perhaps Muslims. Their mode of operation is to use other groups to do their dirty work.

  153. BenKenobi says:
    @Colin Wright

    As istevefan and Cloudbuster pointed out before me, it’s a mine field out there.

    Don’t you see the strategic value of sending coolies out to do a little clearing?

    At the very least don’t you find it hilarious?

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  154. Forget national politics, the amount of “SHUT IT DOWN THE GOYIM KNOW” here from the JIDF commenters alone is worthwhile viewing.

  155. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Israel is not a crusader State.

    Israel is a caliphate State.

    Which you would know if you knew the first and second thing about Judaism and its eschatology.

    Judaism and Islam are barely different, and not in any way that matters.

    In fact, give me an imam over a Rabbi any day. I know what they both believe, and the imam is both slightly more honest and less of a zealot. Rabbis are at least as bad and, in my opinion, much worse. White gentiles can also pick the imam and his zealots in civies out of a crowd. That’s defensively important. Though, both imams and Rabbis belong in a deep hole in the furthest desert. They are both the unquestionable scourges of the West, and they both come from the same root.

    They share the same exact internal structure, eschatological belief, and goals.

    Islam is a branch of Judaism. It arose from Judaism. In actuality, it was likely created by Judaism. It is a golem of Judaism. It is a slightly simpler Judaism for the dumb and directly violent races, for use as “Judaism’s broom” as one Rabbi recently put it on camera.

    In fact, the Jews played a large part in assisting the caliphate in their invasion of Visigoth Spain, immediately after Islam was invented and spread. This is not a controversial statement. This is documented in mainstream sources that are accepted by the heavily pro-Jewish Wikipedia. In fact, the Visigoth King sanctioned the Jews eighteen years or so prior specifically for plotting against the State. Spain has never and will never be the same.

    Anyone who cosigns your weak assertion, like Redneck farmer with his No Israel mo welfare comment, only outs themselves as theologically, historically and politically ignorant in regard to even relatively recent statements by heads of the Jewish state.

    It is a parroting of Hebrew propaganda from their favorite Jewcon talking head. They are the symptom of the long-term Jewing that has led us to this place.The Jews have been attempting to destroy our world for over two thousand years now, to take them to their Jews-only messianic period. They even tell the non-Jewish goyim Christians and Muslims that they will all be genocided before the Jews only messianic period. This amazingly makes Christians and Muslims pray and work harder for that result in their respective Semitic cults, as if their genocides at the hands of Jews are something positive. The welfare state and the modern political world are Jewish inventions. To imply anything counter to those facts is the pinnacle of stupidity.

    Pseudo-crusader, know nothing cucks like the people who write and cosign the type of material in the post to which I am responding are not only retard-level ignorant, but they support and cover for the very people who are the root of the Islamic scourge.

    • Replies: @Anon
  156. @Colin Wright

    I’m afraid I can only cheer her on. You go, girl. More problems like this, we can use.

    The potential wedge between super-privileged Jews and super-woke POC politics is a nightmare that must keep Democrat party big-wigs up at night. The grief that it’s causing Jeremy Corbin and the Labor Party is on full display.

    • Replies: @Sean
  157. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “I’ve seen conflicting numbers from 30% to a figure lower than what you quoted. ”

    I quoted British records. Was this 30% number from a Unzer holohoax blogger?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  158. AndrewR says:
    @415 reasons

    It’s becoming so. America has always changed and always will change. The USS Keep Islam Out Of America has already sailed and I think it was a one way journey

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  159. Lot says:
    @nebulafox

    Yeah I agree that was wrong and a disaster for Christendom. Nobody’s perfect.

  160. Ilhan Omar’s criticizing support for Israel as “allegiance to a foreign country” sounds suspiciously like something from the mouth of that anti-Semite George Washington.

  161. nsa says:
    @eah

    Nice pic of the vile Crypto-Joo Clown……where are Vespasian and Titus now that we really need them?

  162. ATBOTL says:
    @Anonymous

    So you want anti-white Jewish donors and activists to start getting involved in the GOP because of Israel? We already did that. How did the neocons work out? You want a new influx of neocons into the political right?

  163. @wren

    “Siad Barre had one of the last of the closely cropped Dictator Mustaches.”

    You wouldn’t be committing the appeal ad Hitlerum fallacy, would you, Steve?

    Because the above enlarged version of Barre’s “closely cropped” mustache reveals a dog-leg scar.
    Just might be that Barre’s facial hair was an attempt to conceal it.

    PS the Original “closely cropped Dictator mustache” recalled those WWI soldiers who experienced gas warfare: mustaches had to be closely cropped for a gas mask to fit properly.

    PS2: What is a “closely cropped Dictator”?

  164. @Svigor

    It’s just too hard for Sophie to make right choice – whenever she powerlessly, and with no control, acknowledges a higher moral ground from the privileged safety of her hyphenated Golan heights :

    • Replies: @Lot
  165. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    I’m not sure that I agree that it will end up that way, due to the narcissism of small differences. Hitler was a socialist tyrant with a mustache who hated Jews and Stalin was a socialist tyrant with a mustache who (at the end of his life) hated Jews, but they hated each other even more than they both hated Jews.

    Just because anon and Omar agree with each other on the Jewish Question doesn’t mean that they will like each other otherwise.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lot
  166. snorlax says:
    @nebulafox

    The Fourth Crusade wasn’t Europe’s finest hour, however:

    • The massive devastation of Justinian’s borderline-genocidal wars CAUSED the Dark Ages.
    • Nobody would have ever heard of Islam nor would the Near East and North Africa be permanently lost to Western civilization if not for the Byzantines’ cartoonish incompetence.
    • The Byzantines commited suicide with their autistic obsession over inane theological controversies even as Rome burned. Genius move to excommunicate the entirety of Latin Christendom over a single word in the Nicene Creed.
    • No Crusades, no revival under the Komnenoi. Even accounting for the Fourth, they bought the Byzantines at least another 50 years.
    • Overly dramatic to claim the Byzantine victories in the sieges of Constantinople “saved Europe,” particularly since the rest of Europe’s military record vs. the Muslims was much better than the Byzantines’. And medieval Europeans might’ve been more motivated to recapture Constantinople than their Renaissance and later counterparts.
    • The Crusades were the Byzantines’ idea in the first place. Careful what you wish for!
    • The Byzantines betrayed the Crusaders first, secretly allying with Saladin against them.
    • Bad idea to borrow money from Italians then not pay them back.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jack D
    , @Anon
    , @nebulafox
  167. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Somalia is home to one of the more extreme forms of FGM (female genital mutilation) being practiced anywhere. Perhaps Omar was subjected to this also? When I had dealings with recently arrived Somalis as a government employee the women all seemed unhinged and I sometimes wondered if there was a connection.

    • Replies: @Neuday
  168. Sean says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    A 2007 poll by Steven Cohen of Hebrew Union College and Ari Kelman of the University of California at Davis found that although the majority of American Jews of all ages continue to identify as “pro-Israel,” those under 35 are less likely to identify as “Zionist.” Over 40% of American Jews under 35 believe that “Israel occupies land belonging to someone else,” and over 30% report sometimes feeling “ashamed” of Israel’s actions.

    The strategic center of gravity of Anti Zionism in America is Jewish. Omar is totally irrelevant. It is Jews not Arabs who are behind the bleating about Palestinians having rights (that white gentiles are supposedly obligated to enforce). The Muslims in America are almost totally ineffective in politics, but Jews are not. This is an argument within the Jewish community and between Israelis. The Jewish humanist intelligentsia are at war with realist Jews, and both are fighting with armies of white gentiles.

    Using their awesome moral suasion capabilities, Jews can always lead gentiles both for and against Israel, but of course the pro Israel Jews prefer to portray their opponents as anti Semites, which is easy with Arabs or white gentiles. It used to be that anti-Zionist Jews were called self -hating. Of late the realist Jews have gone nuclear and began to describe anti-Zionist Israel Jews as Anti Semites.

  169. Duality is in the bullseye of the beholder :

  170. Sean says:
    @Svigor

    That is a really clever argument for Muslims … that Muslims are not capable of coming up with. Two Jews three opinions, but the real problem is Jews blame white gentiles for arguments between Jews.

    Jews have their Adlai Stevensons too. Humanist intellectual Jews are the hidden hand behind anti-Zionism’s more effective manifestations, especially the disinvestment movement.

  171. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Just because anon and Omar agree with each other on the Jewish Question doesn’t mean that they will like each other otherwise

    The “Jewish Question”, Jack?

    Which question would that be? Whether or not all those Jews who openly proclaim their allegiance to Israel are telling the truth?

    And you people wonder why so many people don’t like you.

  172. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    My counterpart/bodyguard/minder in Israel when I was there was a Sabra who had grown up among Arabs and later killed a good many of them in combat. Yet he had profound sympathies for the ordinary Palestinians.

    Sounds an awful lot like the lead character in the Netflix series Fauda. Life imitating art?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Twinkie
  173. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Well, they’re not REALLY scared, any more than one of those campus activists REALLY feels unsafe because Milo went to speak on their campus. They just say that as a justification for shutting you up.

    The way the rules work today, they have to cry out in pain BEFORE they strike you.

  174. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous

    You said that he said Somalis were worse or more damaging to us than Jews or Izzies, and he never said anything like that.
    We can resent the Izzy who commands our government, and the Jew who scams us, and the brainless thrill-kill Somali monster. There’s no either-or. All of it points up the illegitimacy of the current system.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  175. @indocon

    If I’m not for the Jews first, last and always and I’m not turning the other cheek and giving away my homeland, how will the Baby Jesus know to take me to heaven?

  176. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You have no idea what you are talking about. It is embarrassing to be ideologically associated with you.

  177. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    “doesn’t mean that they will like each other otherwise.”

    You’d think, but she sure gets a lot of love in the Unz-RT nutjob caucus.

  178. Lot says:
    @snorlax

    Agree except for this:

    “Overly dramatic to claim the Byzantine victories in the sieges of Constantinople “saved Europe,” particularly since the rest of Europe’s military record vs. the Muslims was much better than the Byzantines’”

    They held Islam off for about 800 years. And did so much closer to the heart of Islam than Martel’s victories.

    And not long after they lost, a huge part of SE Europe was overran and conquered.

  179. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    A groupie for the Walt! What a position for you to be in…

  180. Lot says:
    @Tyrion 2

    “Stolen valour?”

    I am not following this at all. Is that a reference to the overturned law criminalizing lying about a war record?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Twinkie
  181. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:

    Her grandfather rode the winds of change to Italy, where he attended university. He returned to his East African homeland, becoming Somalia’s National Marine Transport director. Abukar oversaw the string of lighthouses along the Arabian Sea coastline

    I spent the best years of my youth /
    Highlighting my classroom notes /
    Studying those algorithms /
    Studying those boats

  182. Lot says:
    @bored identity

    Naming a fast food place after “disputed territory?”

    I am so triggered!

    Is their steak kebab any good?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  183. Our Somali Congresswoman will be useful in the short term and her kind present no threat at this time, but when she was grilling Eliot Abrams about ‘US-backed massacres’ in Guatemala she had a bizarre grin on her face that gave me chills.

    She very much delighted in berating Americans about our war crimes as an actual US member of Congress, and getting to ask ‘Eliot Adams'(sic) about American ‘massacres.’ It might be the closest this lady ever gets to an orgasm since her family held her down when she was 12 and sliced off her bean.

  184. lavoisier says: • Website
    @TelfoedJohn

    Given evil done by the Zionists I support Mogadishu Mary.

    No hope coming from the white Gentile leaders to challenge the Tribe.

  185. Tyrion 2 says:
    @AnotherDad

    In my real life you think anyone who ever lectures me about the myriad complexities of political correctness is anything but white and Christian? Very, very, very occasionally…

    My experience is endless Puritans incessantly latching onto the latest PC fashion and berating me for not conforming.

    Probably one in two times when I discuss politics with an average Brit I get called a Nazi. That’s mental.

    Sorry………ridiculous to blame me.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  186. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    If you think of the Byzantines as the Russians of the ancient world (or, more accurately, Russian civilization as the heir of Byzantine civilization) then it all sort of makes sense. Inane theological controversies – socialism in one country vs. world revolution. Secret alliance with Saladin – Hitler-Stalin pact. Etc. There are a lot of parallels.

  187. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    Was this 30% number from a Unzer holohoax blogger?

    No. I don’t remember exactly. It might have been a Catholic magazine article about Christians in the Holy Land.

    But even taking your number at face value, that is a significant decline.

  188. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    He was exposed using a sock puppet on Audacious Epigone.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  189. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Lot

    Yes, but the popular definition would just be the typical kind of bore who LARPs about as “they used to call me Grim Reaper“.

    FFS give me a break…

    The only person who was ever called “Grim Reaper” was the freakishly skinny, half-retarded pallid bloke in the stores who could barely count to 2.

    Or the bore in the pub who lives a pure fantasy life…

    I don’t hate Walts. I actually generally tolerate them, but this Walt is absurd – it is offensive to those who have served.

  190. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    I exposed you as a fake service-person…omg, I am so sorry that I punctured your utter bullsh*t fictional image!

    Just stop!

    Or at least get better at lying….

    https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/how-to-spot-a-walt.17334/

  191. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I knew a guy who was assigned a bodyguard when he visited Israel on business. This was during the Intifada, when there were a lot of suicide bombings. It wasn’t uncommon.

    The first time I was there was during the Second Intifada, and indeed there were numerous attacks. I was there to interface with the Israeli CT experts and learn best practices. I was assigned an Israeli colleague. His official job was being my country-to-country counterpart and also show me around, but I knew he was essentially my bodyguard and also a “minder” (reported back to his government everything about me and my doings). It’d been terrible for them if I had been killed or abducted.

    But I felt pretty safe even without him. When I went to Arab souks alone, I got a curious glance or two, but no hostile ones. Funny enough, one merchant looked at me and said “Kazakhstan?” I got the feeling that no one thought I was an American, but some sort of a Central Asian Muslim!

    By the way, Jerusalem was overrun with Americans – I ran into several American Jewish girls with valley accents in one day. I loved Jerusalem, but hated Tel Aviv (starting with the weather). Even Herzliya wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be though people watching was not bad. 😉

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  192. Neoconned says:
    @Whiskey

    I’m weird in that I’m both a Jewphiliac and an Islamophile. I like Islam’s approach to controlling women using behavioral controls and am baffled by the average rednexk who hates islam considering it is quite similar to fundamentalist Christianity.

    White western women have been out of control in many ways since the end 5Dark Ages…..

  193. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    His anti Muslim attitude is more intense and organic than his concern of either US or of the Whites.

    He is sick man. Very sick this iSteve or iSailer – a pathetic sick joke on decency and humanity.

  194. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    I am not following this at all. Is that a reference to the overturned law criminalizing lying about a war record?

    Ever since I exposed the fact that he doesn’t even know how POA vs. POI works on a rifle, he’s been following me around Unz like a jilted girlfriend trying to “expose” me, going so far as to use at least one sock puppet (“career”) in a futile attempt to “catch” me.

    You can read my summary here, and the rest of the thread:
    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/saving-the-union/#comment-3067659

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Mr. Anon
  195. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Pity on those who believe your fantasist nonsense.

  196. @George

    From this article which talks about photographer Peter Beard finding Iman in Africa and bringing her to America to model.

    It has been more than 20 years since Beard first accosted her on a Nairobi street. “I have this man in a sarong and no shoes following me,” she recalls. “He finally stopped me and said, ‘Have you ever been photographed?’ I thought, Well, I’ve heard lines, but this is ridiculous. What do these white people think? That my parents never took a picture of their family?”

    The daughter of a doctor and a diplomat, Iman was a student at Nairobi University. Her family, in exile from Somalia, had just moved to Tanzania; Iman had earned a one-year college scholarship but was trying to muster the fees for further schooling. When Beard offered to pay her a year’s tuition, she accepted.

    But after sitting for a photo session, she started getting calls from the Wilhelmina agency in New York, asking her to come to the United States and become a model. After weeks of importuning from Wilhelmina and Beard, Iman agreed to fly to New York. There she found that he had planted an astonishing fairy tale about her in the papers.

    “He hypes it that I’m six feet tall; I’m barely five feet nine inches,” Iman says indignantly. “He claims I didn’t speak a word of English; I spoke English, Italian, and Arabic, as well as Somali. He says he found me with goats and sheep—that I was some kind of shepherdess in the jungle!” She shakes her head, still amazed. “I never saw a jungle in my life.… But Peter lives in a fantasy world. He loves the idea of being my Svengali.”

    Iman, who was promptly hailed by Diana Vreeland as “Nefertiti rediscovered,” became enormously successful, but Beard never had an affair with her and never profited in any way from her career; he seems simply to have enjoyed the drama of it all. And Iman eventually resigned herself, with a sort of amused exasperation, to his enthusiasms—even his nostalgia for the bygone culture of the British colonialists he so admires. “Peter loves the myth of Africa more than I do,” Iman explains. “He ‘loves’ Africa, but we always have an argument about what Africa really is. Is it the animals and the landscape, or is it the people? He has no respect for Africans, but it’s their continent—not his. For him, there are no people involved; they get in the way of his myth.”

    Apparently, her family was in political exile in the 1970’s and she’s the daughter of a diplomat. I would guess the 1969 bloodless coup by the Somali Army spearheaded by Major General Muhammad Siad Barre following the assassination of the President of Somalia (and Majeerten Clan member) Abdirashid Ali Shermarke had something to do with the exile.

    The son of Abdirashid Ali Shermarke, Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke is the current Prime Minister of Somalia. And get this:

    Sharmarke studied at Carleton University in Ottawa, where he earned degrees in political science and political economy.[4] Although his family is based in Virginia in the United States, he holds both Somalian and Canadian citizenship.[5]

    Somalia seems like a really interesting place and we’re so, so lucky we get to experience so much of it first hand now. Thanks Boomers, thanks a lot.

  197. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, absolutely. Also, one time the government agents shot lots of sidearm rounds at me and I said “stop” and the bullets stopped; and I plucked one out of the air and they all dropped. Then there were lines of green and black code. Thank goodness I was wearing a durable long, black trenchcoat, as I had to get through two really awful sequels. “For Zion!”. Oh, I just realised the Matrix used Zion as something meaningful, that’s weird!

  198. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Sounds an awful lot like the lead character in the Netflix series Fauda. Life imitating art?

    I’ve not seen the show, but am vaguely aware of it. And this was early 2000’s – long before the show. I’ve mentioned this fellow before on Unz, possibly several years ago. It’s simply art imitating life.

    One night we – Israelis and Americans – were having drinks after a day of working together, and my guy, the Sabra, and another American’s assigned Israeli who happen to be a younger American-born Jew who made Aliyah, got into a huge argument about Palestinians and started to yell at each other, which made us Americans a bit nervous.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  199. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    It’s funny how you sound like a stormfronter, until the subject is muslims, then suddenly you transform into a multiculti leftist cuck. Muslims are less than 2% of the population. America is not becoming muslim.

  200. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    and also a “minder” (reported back to his government everything about me and my doings)

    You make it sound like North Korea. No one in Israel or its government gives a damn about you or your doings.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @J.Ross
  201. IC8 says:
    @Lot

    Who the hell do you think you’re fooling with this bizarrely tone-deaf and disingenuous argument? Do you really expect us to believe you support Israel because of “Anglo-Saxon and Frankish blood”? Why would supporters of Catholic Crusades support a secular jewish state? You’re not even trying to make sense here.

  202. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    my guy, the Sabra, and another American’s assigned Israeli who happen to be a younger American-born Jew who made Aliyah, got into a huge argument about Palestinians and started to yell at each other, which made us Americans a bit nervous.

    Now THAT sounds like something that might have actually happened. Israelis love to get into heated shouting matches over every conceivable issue. No need to be nervous. They are purely verbal fireworks and they rarely become violent. In America that level of yelling would lead at least to fisticuffs and in the ghetto to a shooting or a stabbing, but it’s completely normal “debate” in Israel. Israel is a free country and people like to speak their minds. There’s no tradition of stiff upper lip – you let it all hang out. In America everyone is increasingly cautious about opening their mouth because one slip-up and your career is over.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Tyrion 2
  203. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    This is up in Washington Heights near Yeshiva U. above the GW Bridge. Steak and kebab are two separate things. Have the shawarma.

  204. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    If you are there on intelligence or military business, they most certainly give a damn, like any seriously minded country.

    They also give a damn when they send their people to you. Israeli intelligence is famously aggressive against allies, and despite AIPAC’s best efforts to make this a verboten topic on Capitol Hill, anybody in the know is aware that Israel is up there with China and Russia as big league offenders in the US.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Jack D
  205. @Jack D

    My impression is that the whole Levant is like that. Lebanese, for example, are super brusque.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    , @black sea
  206. I could do without both Jews and Muslims. Neither group has any loyalty or attachment to America or Americans. They both deserve to be bottled up together in the ME.

  207. @Tyrion 2

    My experience is endless Puritans incessantly latching onto the latest PC fashion and berating me for not conforming.

    That’s my experience also. Only two of the historic USA populations care about PC (three if you count Left Coast cities): Yankeedom (NY State & North of there) and New Netherlands (NYC) [1].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Colin Woodard.
    _American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America_.
    Map at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/08/which-of-the-11-american-nations-do-you-live-in/

  208. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax

    The Fourth Crusade wasn’t Europe’s finest hour, however:

    • The massive devastation of Justinian’s borderline-genocidal wars CAUSED the Dark Ages.

    The so called dark ages are a propaganda concept meant to imply a lack of social liberalism. Their only validity is in the social destruction and replacement caused by Semitic Islam in that period. The Middle Ages were otherwise revolutionary in terms of economic and technological development. “Dark Ages” is generally meant to act as a strawman for any age that rejects liberalism.

    • Nobody would have ever heard of Islam nor would the Near East and North Africa be permanently lost to Western civilization if not for the Byzantines’ cartoonish incompetence.

    Tell that to 8th century Visigoth Spain and the perfidious Jews that assisted new Islam over-run and spread the caliphate throughout Spain. They were as instrumental in Anatolia.

    No one would have ever heard of Judaism derived Islam if Judaism did not exist.

    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/02/19/jews-welcomed-the-ottoman-conquest-of-christendom/
    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/the-judeo-islamic-conspiracy-against-christendom/
    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/jews-are-certifying-latinos-as-jewish-to-gain-spanish-citizenship/

    • The Byzantines commited suicide with their autistic obsession over inane theological controversies even as Rome burned. Genius move to excommunicate the entirety of Latin Christendom over a single word in the Nicene Creed.

    When you are battling Jewish advancement, theological concepts matter that shape the ontology of the Kingdom.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @nebulafox
  209. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    It has been documented again and again that Jewish “charities” spy on Americans, sometimes not for Israel but on behalf of other countries like Apartheid South Africa, and the main effort to end the Constitution not involving guns concerns the criminalization of thought, and is largely the work of leftist Jews who enjoy solid Israeli support. Israel clearly reasons that an American who is afraid to say anything about Jews is not somebody who will criticize Israel any time soon.
    And then you have over-enthusiastic volunteers like Jonathan Pollard, who the Israelis say they didn’t even ask for, but who they nevertheless freed and now harbor.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @HA
  210. @International Jew

    I’ll have you know my lawn looks great right now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  211. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “an inbred yokel”

    Yokels are fine people who have very low rates of inbreeding compared with the rest of the world.

    “shenanigans their tribesmen get up to – like exerting massive influence on our government for the sake of a foreign country”

    It’s called politics. Americans love Israel and want to help it. They’re our guys in the middle east.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  212. Lot says:
    @Anon

    “Tell that to 8th century Visigoth Spain and the perfidious Jews that assisted new Islam over-run and spread the caliphate throughout Spain”

    Sounds like a good subject for a 87,000 word Ron Unz blockbuster!

    Did they drink the blood off the battlefields too?

  213. nebulafox says:
    @snorlax

    • The massive devastation of Justinian’s borderline-genocidal wars CAUSED the Dark Ages.

    The devastation of Italy did exacerbate things, but the overall process of decline in the West had started long before that. Literacy and city-dwelling was already declining in the 5th Century as the political apparatus of the West became a farce and trade links-already on the decline since the 3rd Century-were becoming more useless. Political correctness aside, it is hard not to see the beginning of the Dark Ages in the final century of the decaying Western empire.

    My own semi-serious opinion is that when Theodosius caved to Ambrose rather than having his head raised on a pike for daring to try to place church above state, as a true emperor would have done, and Augustine was allowed to define Christianity, Western culture was doomed for a bit of a downturn.

    • Nobody would have ever heard of Islam nor would the Near East and North Africa be permanently lost to Western civilization if not for the Byzantines’ cartoonish incompetence.

    I simultaneously agree and disagree: the suicidal drive of the Byzantines and Sassanids to destroy each other was a critical factor-though what exactly was Constantinople supposed to do, let the Persians take the city? Still, by the two superpowers of the day opting for war, antiquity’s fate was sealed. By the end of the war, most allied feodorati were Arabs, and when Heraclius tried to stiff them because of an empty treasury, they turned to an enigmatic new prophet and his message. They ended up playing the “Germanic” role in the East.

    But so did the bubonic plague and the co-concomitant economic factors that came with it. Just as the Galen and Cyprian Plagues were key ingredients in the Crisis of the Third Century, the plagues of the 5th and 6th Century were key here: and before then, such as in *why* the invasion of Italy was bloody and disasterous rather than decisive, given that the Ostrogoths were quite ready to cave more than a few times. Nobody controlled that one.

    The intersection of the two is why the Qu’ran has such apocalyptic overtones. It really did look like the world was going to end. As for the dynamics of the Arab coalition itself, I don’t know: it would have been some monotheist prophet-leader of some kind on top. But I find it hard to believe that proto-Islam-the real thing wouldn’t come until ‘al-Malik-wouldn’t have come out on top there. Muhammad just had the best organized and cohesive movement in the lot.

    (Not that I’m arguing that the Ostrogothic War was a good idea: as Spain should show, Justinian’s personality would have just kept him going until he screwed up somewhere!)

    • The Byzantines commited suicide with their autistic obsession over inane theological controversies even as Rome burned. Genius move to excommunicate the entirety of Latin Christendom over a single word in the Nicene Creed.

    Oh, come on now. I do believe that this was a counter-excommunication. 😉 Why did the papacy autistically insist on that one Augustinian word in the first place?

    Esoteric theological controversies were the order of the day, and not just in Christendom, as the Abbassids found out. People hadn’t dispensed with a level of divine casuality yet and wouldn’t for many centuries. And for all the deeply set Byzantine cultural arrogance against barbarians, they were not the ones with the deep-set ideological drive for one church under language, as any good Slav could attests to. It was not them calling anybody else naughty daughters who have gone to Satan, it was the papacy under its new Frankish masters. The Frankish ideologues were so incompetent when it came to understanding history that they actually accused the Byzantines of deliberately leaving filioque out from the creed centuries before!

    • No Crusades, no revival under the Komnenoi. Even accounting for the Fourth, they bought the Byzantines at least another 50 years/The Crusades were the Byzantines’ idea in the first place. Careful what you wish for!

    Fully agreed. The gods do have a curious, ironic way of fulfilling one’s wishes in the nastiest way possible. Greeks should know better.

    • Overly dramatic to claim the Byzantine victories in the sieges of Constantinople “saved Europe,” particularly since the rest of Europe’s military record vs. the Muslims was much better than the Byzantines’. And medieval Europeans might’ve been more motivated to recapture Constantinople than their Renaissance and later counterparts.

    Tours was a setback, but it didn’t decisively impact the caliphate’s fortunes like the failure at Constantinople did. The real reason the Arabs didn’t advance into France were the Berber revolts in North Africa in the 740s, then the collapse of the Umayyad dynasty. Since Spain was an Umayyad rump state estranged from the new rulers in Baghdad (who’d just held a dinner party over the corpses of the new Spanish caliph’s family members), they did not have the manpower to go on military adventures: they had to focus on maintaining what they had in Iberia.

    The Byzantines did *way* more than the Franks to incubate Europe and European culture from Islam until it recovered from the Dark Ages and could hold its own against predators, and not just militarily.

    (Of course, there was also the crucial Abbasid decision to set their sights eastwards rather than westwards… but 717 played a role in that, though not the most direct one.)

    • The Byzantines betrayed the Crusaders first, secretly allying with Saladin against them.

    Hmm. I wonder why they would ever conspire against such noble people as the Crusaders?

    • Bad idea to borrow money from Italians then not pay them back.

    Oh, I don’t know, someone more typically epitomizing the true Italian people seems to have forgiven the representative of the New New Rome.

    https://goo.gl/images/CYDQQU

  214. nebulafox says:
    @Anon

    >The so called dark ages are a propaganda concept meant to imply a lack of social liberalism.

    When you’ve gone from the age of Augustus to the age of illiterate cooked barbarians with their home-made crafts, that’s cultural decline, no matter how the politically correct historians of today who like to pretend that all eras and civilizations are equal would have it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Reg Cæsar
  215. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Hi M’hamad,
    2/10 for convincing takkiyah.

  216. nebulafox says:
    @J.Ross

    >And then you have over-enthusiastic volunteers like Jonathan Pollard, who the Israelis say they didn’t even ask for, but who they nevertheless freed and now harbor.

    ‘Ol Sparky is still mad about not getting that one.

  217. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    “To learn who rules over you, find out whom it is forbidden to criticize.”

    I agree with the pedophile who came up with the quote.
    Example :
    Slavery prior to 1865 comitted by whites=BAD.

    Slavery comitted for a thousand years + prior to 1865 By Muslims and from 1865-to the present day by Muslims , and currently engaged in on a large scale by Muslims in the Islamic republics of Somalia, Mauritania,Sudan,Libya and Nigeria= NEVER MENTION IT !!!!!!

    Black is our intersectional brothers and sisters, right Abds ????

  218. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    You seem like a super happy person !!!

  219. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    They’re our guys in the middle east.

    Yeah. It just sucks how anti-Semitic people are, when they say you experience some sort of “loyalty” towards Israel.

    Buncha Nazis.

  220. This isteve guy is a real snowflake. This is only the 2nd post of his I’ve bothered reading. Not impressed.
    Illhan O is on fire. I think I might love her. After watching her smack Elliot Abrams around the other day I felt all warm inside. Calling out AIPAC made me smile. Now this, what a breath of fresh air, wish the crackers in congress or white house had the balls she has, would be nice to hear Tulsi or Bernie talk like this.
    Screw all the haters, I’ll take Omar over the warmongering Zionists any day.

    Keep it up Ms. Omar!

    • Replies: @Anon
  221. @Twinkie

    Nobody ever proposes a three-state solution.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  222. J.Ross says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    Oh my God this comment is a mess. Defaming the “Dark Ages” is a globalist project and therefore thoroughly PC, and as for equivalent cultures, surely hinterland Celts who had encountered Rome more recently were making inferior materials to medieval ur-nations? Rome declined, materially and inarguably, but a lot of that was people no longer needing to live there because it wasn’t the universal center it had been.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Tyrion 2
  223. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Before Zionism triumphed, the different communities lived together, interlinked. Edward Said’s parents rented a flat to Martin Buber, and a Palestinian guy I met at school had a relative who was effectively raised by Yeshuv Jews. Similar thing happened in Lebanon, which had members of every group shuffled through residential neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Reg Cæsar
  224. @Steve Sailer

    I’ll have you know my lawn looks great right now

    And much of northern California is cursing you for that. Unless you’ve xeriscaped.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  225. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    We even need immigrants to accuse Jews of dual loyalty because Americans are no longer willing to do this work.

    Because these immigrants haven’t assimilated to political correctness and don’t know yet that criticizing Jews is lese majeste?

  226. @Cloudbuster

    It would be hilarious to compare the 23& results of Winston Churchill’s descendants to that of Sen Warren.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  227. @nebulafox

    So now paleocons and Chesterton buffs are “politically correct”?

  228. nebulafox says:
    @J.Ross

    The whole West became a mostly illiterate, philosophically pessimistic feudal backwater, not just Rome. It wouldn’t really recover until Aquinas and Petrarch began to look to the relatively rational again. This not need to happen.

    And it ain’t that PC. The big trend in classical scholarship has been framing things as a “change” rather than as a “decline”, because cultural relativism. Gibbon is not very woke there.

    All civilizations have winter times. The Chinese had one much more recently and openly admit it. Why can’t we?

  229. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Djibouti

    That’s a name that will always be associated with Légion Etrangère even though they pulled out a while ago.

  230. @Reg Cæsar

    I tried looking into the claim that Winston Churchill was 1/16th American Indian via his American grandmother. I didn’t find much to validate that notion. That would mean his rich grandmother was 1/4th Amerindian, which might have led to comment when she showed up in the drawing rooms of Paris and London around 1870. I’m not saying she would have been kicked out, but that people might have mentioned it, and we know an awful lot about the gossip of Victorian high society.

    I know it appears in William Manchester’s biography, but Manchester was a master storyteller who didn’t weigh his stories down with a lot of quibbles about what really happened. For example, Manchester declares positively that Churchill’s younger brother was really his half-brother. I looked into that too, but the arguments pro and con are pretty mixed.

    • Replies: @Flip
  231. Jack D says:
    @nebulafox

    I doubt what Twinkie was doing rises to that level.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @HA
  232. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    It doesn’t matter what the “level” of work is. When there is bilateral exchange, there is always a minder. It’s not “sinister” like in North Korea where that is extended to every single foreigner, but as another commenter wrote it is common in that line of work.

  233. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    Damn Zio warmongers mongering war all over the globe.
    Zio Pakis at war with Hindu India, Zio Rohygna at war with Buddhist Myanmar, Zio Insurgents terrorizing Buddhist Thailand, Zio Abu Sayef terrorizing Christian Philippines, Zio Indonesians occupying and genociding Christian Papua , Zio Turks occupying Christian Cyprus ,Zio Nigerians occupying Christian Biafra, Zio Boko Haram enslaving black Christians , Zio Morocco occupying Western Sahara , Zio Sudan occupying and genociding Darfur, Zio Afghanis blowing up Buddah statues and raping bacha boys , Zio Pakis raping and pimping out thousands of British children , Zios shooting up Bataclan…

    Dang Zios always war mongering and cannot get along with other religions.

  234. @Steve Sailer

    Rubbish.

    ie. Monsieur Taleb’s deadliftingly out of this world kindness is well documented.

  235. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “I doubt what Twinkie was doing rises to that level.”

    The very fact that you, Lot and Tyrion 2 are teaming up in an effort to discredit Twinkie makes it that much more believable that what he was doing there did indeed rise to that level.

    • Replies: @Anon
  236. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    You have that exactly backwards. It hasn’t been fashionable to label them the “Dark Ages” for quite some time. Meanwhile, it was the norm in the 19th Century.

    Furthermore, the reason why they were so labelled is pretty straightforward: we lack much information on what happened since literacy was way down and we have barely any primary sources. Hence, they are “dark” to us.

    There was also the assumption that civilization suffered, which it obviously did in large parts of the former Roman world. Though whether that was a consequence of the fall or Rome or actually societies recovering from the long reign of the corpse Roman Empire can be argued over.

    Again, I don’t want to weigh up the relative merits of “Dark Age” Europe. We have barely any primary textual evidence anyway. But I can absolutely guarantee you that you have your historiography backwards.

  237. HA says:

    Of course, if anyone feels slighted that his activities in Israel did not warrant an escort (and maybe that’s what’s really going on here), there’s an easy way to fix that, and show Twinkie who the real VIP is:

    Planning a family trip to Israel? Whether it’s a bar or bat mitzvah, a group tour, or a small family vacation, you’ve got enough logistics on your mind. Wouldn’t it be great if you could also feel completely at ease in light of the current security situation?

    Now thanks to Israel Guard the ability to have a highly trained personal security guard is as easy as a quick phone call or email. Israel Guard is based in America, and specializes in the escort of Americans visiting Israel…

    In lieu of the current security situation, having a guard in Israel isn’t just a matter of added peace of mind – It’s the responsible choice. Safe, responsible travel means taking all the precautions necessary to ensure that your family is protected…

    Safe travels just got easier and safer thanks to Israel Guard.

    • Replies: @Lot
  238. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA

    Nothing is believed. Its an anonymous post. But go ahead and give credence to “twinkie” and his ramblings.

    • Replies: @HA
  239. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    A lot of people just can’t quite get their head around how empty the world was/how much the world’s population has grown.

    In 1850 Mandate Palestine was only about 300,000 people.

    Africa (the whole continent) was probably just 100 million.

    And there are reasons why they were so low despite no one mentioning any particular famine, and it isn’t that everyone just got along.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  240. HA says:
    @Anon

    “Nothing is believed. Its an anonymous post.”

    For those who didn’t catch that, the above statement is from commenter Anon[237].

    You do the math.

  241. black sea says:
    @Steve Sailer

    As a Tunisian once told me, in his country when two old friends cross paths in the city and warmly greet each other, it sounds like a fight is about to break out.

  242. AndrewR says:
    @neutral

    It’s almost like “white” is a relative and arbitrary category.

  243. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I’m sure things will work themselves out once English common law tradition is fully forgotten and major cities have populations like modern nations.

  244. Mr. Anon says:
    @Twinkie

    Like I said in my post to “Another Dad”. We needn’t give a damn what these people think. They make it pretty clear that they aren’t our friends.

  245. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    It’s called politics. Americans love Israel and want to help it. They’re our guys in the middle east.

    Most Americans are benignly indifferent to Israel. It is our political and media class who “love Israel”. They love Israel in the same way – and for the same reason – that a prostitute “loves” a John.

  246. Mr. Anon says:
    @Twinkie

    The guy I knew was a sales engineer for a small aerospace company that does both military and non-military business. He was visiting Israel on business in the early 00’s, and somebody – his company, the company or agency he was visiting (I don’t know) – provided him with a bodyguard during his stay. I guess they viewed it as a courtesy.

    Of course, nitwit gas-bags like “Tyrion 2” think they know better what happened to you than you yourself do. He’s a tedious drip, so I don’t give a s**t what he thinks.

  247. Mr. Anon says:
    @Twinkie

    Ever since I exposed the fact that he doesn’t even know how POA vs. POI works on a rifle,….

    I have no idea what that means, but Tyrion 2 is a good example of how a POS works.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  248. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    It’s called politics. Americans love Israel and want to help it. They’re our guys in the middle east.

    They may be “your guys”, but they aren’t “my guys”. I got nothing against them, and in fact, I wish them well (I wish most people well). But they aren’t “my guys”.

  249. Not Raul says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I agree. I’m going to use “Aipac Chopra”.

  250. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    To be clear, I’m 340; the anonymous that you called a liar is 751.

    What set you off: “But it’s asinine to suggest Somalian tribes are doing more damage to America than Israeli tribes.” That’s a fair interpretation, and it seems to have pushed a button — you initially acknowledged that 751 had used “suggest,” but now it’s “said,” enabling your impassioned defense of a columnist whose style is heavy on insinuation, and who can easily clarify if he wishes.

    And I stand by my take: “Mr. Sailer demeaned this woman for the titillation of the boys here in their White tree fort and/or to distract people from what she said.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  251. bomag says:
    @duncsbaby

    We, of course, need to import Isaaqis to counter Omar’s Majeerteen clan, followed by a cascade of all the other clans to stock the ecosystem. It’s who we are.

  252. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jack D

    As an Israeli who works for a German company told me, after he returned home from Germany to work in their office back there, before video conferencing he’s occasionally pre-briefed his German colleagues that when Israelis talk to each other like that they are just “discussing”. It isn’t really the huge fight that the Germans assume.

    At the same time, I was walking in the West Bank and was surprised by the most static traffic jam I’d ever seen. It probably didn’t move at all for at least 30 minutes. Half-way through my walk I saw why. Two entirely untouched cars must have almost had an accident at the roundabout as the two drivers were arguing away, in the middle of the road, while the Palestinian police sort of looked on, and members of the crowd joined in every now and again for a good shout. No one seemed shocked or worried, though obviously there was a lot of frustration. A few of the drivers made eye contact with me and rolled their eyes in a sort of “what can you do look?”.

  253. Flip says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Manchester declares positively that Churchill’s younger brother was really his half-brother. I looked into that too, but the arguments pro and con are pretty mixed.

    I seem to remember Robert Massie writing that in Dreadnought as well, but it doesn’t seem proven to me.

    I’ve read the theory Winston was not Randolph’s son either which is why they didn’t get along, but haven’t seen any evidence.

  254. HA says:
    @J.Ross

    And then you have over-enthusiastic volunteers like Jonathan Pollard, who the Israelis say they didn’t even ask for, but who they nevertheless freed and now harbor.

    He certainly has ample support in Israel, but as far as I can tell, he’s still stateside.

    US rejects Israeli request to let Jonathan Pollard move to Israel (NOVEMBER 21, 2018)

    …Among the terms issued upon Pollard’s release from prison in November 2015 was that he must remain in the United States for five years, despite his desire to move to Israel…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  255. Lot says:
    @HA

    Dear Israel Guard,

    Can I request a sexy young LGBT bodyguard? If I really like him can I take him home?

    – Jim McG., NJ, USA

  256. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I have no idea what that means

    POA = point of aim
    POI = point of impact

    Due to the fact that a bullet’s path has a parabolic curve, you can set up your sights on a rifle to have the sight line intersect with that curve twice, once while the projectile is rising and once when it starts to curve down.

    Despite that troll’s constant effort to prove me a fraud and his citations of, at best, Wikipedia-level military knowledge, he didn’t even know that adding anything (a bayonet) to a barrel alters the POI dramatically, especially at “300 yards” as he specified (he was implying that a bayonet-fixed rifle can kill people at 300 yards). I suppose that’s possible, but you’d have to zero the sights with the bayonet mounted first and carry your rifle around like that. No sane/trained combat rifleman is going to do that.

    Anyway, it’s one of many examples where people like him who pretend know about things actually don’t if they can’t look things up quickly on the Internet. Now he’s leaving derisive ad hominem comments on almost everything I write, and even using a sock puppet. I just ignore him now. You should as well.

    • Replies: @res
    , @J.Ross
    , @Tyrion 2
  257. HA says:

    Dear Israel Guard,…”

    You might be on to something — it already sounds like the plotline of a sequel to “The Band’s Visit”: A family of repressed Jewish armchair-warriors-for-Israel from the US is assigned a totally FABULOUS! security guard upon arrival who proceeds to “charm” his way through the whole family.

    The only question is whether the film version would win more Oscars than the number of Tonys awarded to the Broadway adaptation.

  258. @Reg Cæsar

    No, it won’t stop raining here in North CA. He can have all the water he wants right now… and for the rest of 2019. But it’s a year-to-year graciousness on our part.

  259. Neuday says:
    @anonymous

    Of all humans, women are more unhinged.
    Of all races, Africans are more unhinged.
    Of all Africans, Somalis are more unhinged.
    You claim that in your dealings with somali women, they often seem unhinged? How could it be otherwise?

  260. res says:
    @Twinkie

    adding anything (a bayonet) to a barrel alters the POI dramatically,

    That makes sense, but could you elaborate a bit on the dominant mechanisms? The effects I think of offhand have to do with bayonet mass changing the relative geometry of the barrel and sight, and bayonet volume changing the aerodynamics at the muzzle.

    What kind of error would we be talking at 100 or 300 yards? Is it easily compensated for by adjusting POA? (e.g. is it a consistent error?)

    P.S. Not sure if the above gives an accurate impression or not, but I don’t have much practical experience with guns and am genuinely curious.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Twinkie
  261. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    We should be nice to them when they’re nice and ignore them when they’re insisting that they never did anything wrong.
    Isn’t the Mosin Nagant supposed to be zeroed and practiced on with the bayonet attached? Obviously that’s not standard now.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Twinkie
  262. J.Ross says: • Website
    @res


    This is a short video posted on another forum discusing something similar, it depicts a Kalashnikov pattern rifle firing in slow notion, but the movement up and back seen here is what pretty much every firearm we’re concerned with does as the bullet is traveling through and out. A lot of fundamental marksmanship practice is about controlling this movement with posture and bone, not moving to correct it at the time (“muscling the weapon”), because no one is quick enough to do that. Encasing the weapon tightly at one end with your shoulder, cheekbone, and hand at one end, keeping your arm in, and in some cases weighing it down at the other, will limit this movement, which will make the shot more accurate. There’s actually a clock-like chart relating beginner mistakes to specific off-target regions:
    http://s272.photobucket.com/user/mikein_bucket/media/bobcat08/pistolaimcorrection_chart.gif.html
    This is a generalization and cannot replace an experienced coach, but it shows you how tied and predictable a miss is to something allowing the gun to move around too much.
    Of course such a weapon (with bayonet fixed) would be probably more accurate — provided the shooter practiced with it on, which he almost certainly would not do given a modern rifle or military.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  263. Mr. Anon says:
    @J.Ross

    We should be nice to them when they’re nice and ignore them when they’re insisting that they never did anything wrong.

    It’s the same people, and their motives don’t change between those two scenarios.

    Best thing to do is just ignore them altogether. People who wish to dwell alone should be allowed to do so.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  264. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    1. My counterpart/bodyguard/minder in Israel when I was there was a Sabra who had grown up among Arabs and later killed a good many of them in combat. Yet he had profound sympathies for the ordinary Palestinians.

    That sounds like the Sephardic/Ashkenazi rivalry which has been going on since the establishment of the country.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Twinkie
  265. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    I never said that. You’re making stuff up. I simply said that a bayonet attached to a modern rifle is a superior weapon to a Japanese sword because you can both stab and shoot.

    Your falling back on that to disguise your absurd Walting – “my nickname in my previous career was Grim Reaper” – only affirms the falsity of your projected image.

    You also have no idea about LoAC and, worse, you used your painful ignorance of it and the way it suffuses modern militaries to declare that I, unlike you, had no sense of duty (because I’m Jewish or something).

    I was actually quite content to let you sadly live your online fantasy. I have made no claims for myself, except that I stated that you don’t know me and I am secure in my own accomplishments. However, when you, with obvious total ignorance, tried to insult me repeatedly I simply pointed out your fantasy. I then dropped it out of pity.

    Later, when you continued your Walting and used it to cluelessly attempt to close down more arguments, I was prompted to call you out on it again. Still, though, I felt pity and apologised…only for you to make up a bunch more lies and throw an online tantrum – which I ignored until a few days past but then couldn’t resist mocking your ridiculous online fantasies – weak me.

    Regardless, you are obviously incredibly insecure in your fantasies – so you can’t let it drop – even for a day or two – and that is the final sign of the Walt.

  266. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Only in the imagination of the certain corners of the internet. In reality, there’s barely a baby born in Israel with 4 Ashkenazi grandparents because fraternisation. Ultra-religious communities may be different, but they’re not military.

  267. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Crimestop

  268. @J.Ross

    Before Zionism triumphed, the different communities lived together, interlinked. Edward Said’s parents rented a flat to Martin Buber, and a Palestinian guy I met at school had a relative who was effectively raised by Yeshuv Jews. Similar thing happened in Lebanon, which had members of every group shuffled through residential neighborhoods.

    So you’re saying multiculturalism worked? Who was in charge? What were their methods? Are you suggesting we return to that?

    I smell a jerboa.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  269. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous

    If you’re not abiding by board culture or defenses against sock puppetry, you don’t get to talk about which one you say you are. Somebody claimed that Steve said X. Steve did not say X. That’s the whole issue.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  270. J.Ross says: • Website
    @HA

    Hope he stays away from microwave devices (heh). I’m getting him confused with Sholomon Rubashkin, seeing as there are so many reminders that our laws are a joke.

  271. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    It “worked” the same way an artist’s messy room doesn’t injure anybody or impede work until it does. Sinilar situation to shuffled India going into the Partition.

  272. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    ” … you don’t get to talk about …”

    Maybe not on your website. But here, me roar:

    “Mr. Sailer demeaned this woman for the titillation of the boys here in their White tree fort and/or to distract people from what she said.”

  273. Twinkie says:
    @res

    That makes sense, but could you elaborate a bit on the dominant mechanisms? The effects I think of offhand have to do with bayonet mass changing the relative geometry of the barrel and sight, and bayonet volume changing the aerodynamics at the muzzle.

    The relative geometry of barrel and front sight wouldn’t change since the front sight is on the barrel itself. The geometry might change from the rear sight since that tends to be on the receiver, but I suspect that change is extremely miniscule.

    What causes the sometimes dramatic shift in POI is the change in barrel harmonics when you attach something as substantial as a bayonet on the barrel.

    Every time you fire a rifle, you are generating a massive change in volume inside the chamber of the receiver – as the powder converts explosively from solid to a huge increased volume of gas, the only way for that gas to exit is by pushing the bullet out of the barrel at a very high speed (usually faster than the speed of sound unless one is using subsonic ammo – that’s usually done to reduce the sonic profile further when using suppressors). When this amount of force is generated, and as some of that force interacts with the barrel as it expands inside the chamber into the barrel and the barrel’s rifling stabilizes the bullet as it traverses through the barrel, it will flex and vibrate the barrel (which is, in essence, a thin tube of metal with lands and grooves inside).

    When you add something significant to the barrel, it will alter the way the barrel vibrates, usually pretty substantially, and that in turn changes the POI.

    What kind of error would we be talking at 100 or 300 yards?

    That depends on a HUGE range of factors and variables, but people have seen as much as 10 inches at 100 yards, which translates to a massive 30-inch change at 300 yards. You are basically wasting ammunition at that point. Mind you, this is on top of the dispersal (“group size”) experienced by the shooter-rifle combination prior to attaching the bayonet. You might as well fire into the air.

    Is it easily compensated for by adjusting POA? (e.g. is it a consistent error?)

    Assuming you can hold all other variables constant (which is impossible in real life), the only variable you have to factor when shooting at varying distances is… the distances. Your range determines how much the bullet will impact above or below the POA in elevation (again, recall what I wrote above about the parabolic curve of the projectile and the two intersections with the sight plane). With an iron sight, you have to do the quick calculation in your brain. With a scope, sometimes you get notches/reticles for set ranges with a specific type of ammunition to make aiming easier.

    Even if the barrel harmonics change from attaching the bayonet is 100% consistent (which is unlikely), you are introducing complications that make accurate shooting with speed extremely difficult, because the aiming point for each set distance is two-dimensionally different (elevation and windage) from the normal POA (as opposed to just one with elevation adjustment that comes from different ranges). In reality, the only way to ensure reasonable levels of accuracy is to mount the bayonet and zero the sights with it…. which of course makes the rifle extremely unwieldy and dangerous, especially in narrow confines.

    Basically, if you want repeatable precision shooting, especially at a distance, you have to keep the combination of factors consistent. Of course, you can’t control the ambient conditions (wind speed and direction, barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, etc.), but you try to keep everything else consistent down to the amount of powder in the ammo (you want the ammo that has proven to have the lowest dispersal or “group size” with that particular rifle)… and obviously whatever you attach to the rifle (typically optics and light). And also, of course, you have to try to keep your own biomechanics consistently that impacts upon the rifle through the entire cycle of aiming, pressing trigger, trigger engaging the sear, hammering the firing pin, ignition of the primer that sets off the powder’s expansion into gaseous form, and bullet exit from the barrel (the “good shooting skills” part).

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  274. Twinkie says:
    @J.Ross

    Isn’t the Mosin Nagant supposed to be zeroed and practiced on with the bayonet attached? Obviously that’s not standard now.

    I am not familiar with how the Mosin-Nagant was manufactured and then issued to the troops, but if that were true, I guess the Russian riflemen were expected to carry their rifles into battle with the bayonets always affixed. Given the length of those old time battle rifles, that would be pretty unbalanced and unwieldy – like shouldering a 9 lbs.+* spear!

    *I had to look that up. I don’t know how much the bayonet weighed, so something north of 9 lbs.

    And of course every time you add something that extends beyond the barrel, the unbalancing is going to be more pronounced and increase shooter fatigue during aiming and firing.

  275. Twinkie says:
    @J.Ross

    Keep in mind that the combloc often used the nearly useless and often counter-productive spike bayonets whereas the Free World generally used knife bayonets (shorter, but heavier).

  276. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    That sounds like the Sephardic/Ashkenazi rivalry which has been going on since the establishment of the country.

    Both guys yelling were pretty fair and European-looking, so I assumed were Ashkenazi (the Sabra was bald, but the American-born had light brown hair). I don’t know for sure, though, because it never occurred to me to ask during that time.

    Unfortunately, I do not have photographs of them, so I can’t even check now (we weren’t allowed to take their pictures, but they certainly took pictures of us).

  277. Twinkie says:
    @res

    You’re quite welcome. Let me know if anything I wrote is unclear.

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