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From the New York Times:

How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’
Gray Matter

By DAVID REICH MARCH 23, 2018

David Reich is a professor of genetics at Harvard and the author of the forthcoming book “Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past,” from which this article is adapted.

Here’s Razib’s early reaction to Reich’s book.

Greg Cochran is doing a fundraiser at West Hunter to pay him to review “Who We Are” in depth.

In 1942, the anthropologist Ashley Montagu published “Man’s Most Dangerous Myth: The Fallacy of Race,” an influential book that argued that race is a social concept with no genetic basis. …

Beginning in 1972, genetic findings began to be incorporated into this argument. That year, the geneticist Richard Lewontin published an important study of variation in protein types in blood. He grouped the human populations he analyzed into seven “races” — West Eurasians, Africans, East Asians, South Asians, Native Americans, Oceanians and Australians — and found that around 85 percent of variation in the protein types could be accounted for by variation within populations and “races,” and only 15 percent by variation across them. To the extent that there was variation among humans, he concluded, most of it was because of “differences between individuals.”

Similarly, most of the genetic and phenotypic variations among members of an extended family are among individuals as well, but that doesn’t mean Extended Family Does Not Exist. Indeed, the genetic arithmetic is pretty similar for the relative size of similarities and differences by race and the relative size of similarities and differences by extended family such as nephew/niece and grandchild.

As the late great anthropologist and geneticist Henry Harpending pointed out, if he discovered tomorrow that he had a seven-year-old grandson he’d never seen, and he drove over to his grandchild’s house and there were a half-dozen seven-year-old boys from the neighborhood playing on the front lawn, which would be easier for him to do by sight from across the street? Sort the boys into their races or sort them into young Master Harpending and the non-Harpendings? Of course, he’d have a fairly easy time distinguishing the boys by race on first sight, but he’d have a much harder time figuring out by sight accurately which little boy is a Harpending.

In this way, a consensus was established that among human populations there are no differences large enough to support the concept of “biological race.” Instead, it was argued, race is a “social construct,” a way of categorizing people that changes over time and across countries.

It is true that race is a social construct. It is also true, as Dr. Lewontin wrote, that human populations “are remarkably similar to each other” from a genetic point of view.

But over the years this consensus has morphed, seemingly without questioning, into an orthodoxy. The orthodoxy maintains that the average genetic differences among people grouped according to today’s racial terms are so trivial when it comes to any meaningful biological traits that those differences can be ignored.

The orthodoxy goes further, holding that we should be anxious about any research into genetic differences among populations. The concern is that such research, no matter how well-intentioned, is located on a slippery slope that leads to the kinds of pseudoscientific arguments about biological difference that were used in the past to try to justify the slave trade, the eugenics movement and the Nazis’ murder of six million Jews.

I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”

Groundbreaking advances in DNA sequencing technology have been made over the last two decades. These advances enable us to measure with exquisite accuracy what fraction of an individual’s genetic ancestry traces back to, say, West Africa 500 years ago — before the mixing in the Americas of the West African and European gene pools that were almost completely isolated for the last 70,000 years. With the help of these tools, we are learning that while race may be a social construct, differences in genetic ancestry that happen to correlate to many of today’s racial constructs are real.

Having spent a lot of time about 15 years ago on a project to demonstrate the absurdities of the current US Census Bureau racial categories, I eventually came to the unwanted conclusion that they were good enough for government work.

I am worried that well-meaning people who deny the possibility of substantial biological differences among human populations are digging themselves into an indefensible position, one that will not survive the onslaught of science. I am also worried that whatever discoveries are made — and we truly have no idea yet what they will be — will be cited as “scientific proof” that racist prejudices and agendas have been correct all along, and that those well-meaning people will not understand the science well enough to push back against these claims.

… To get a sense of what modern genetic research into average biological differences across populations looks like, consider an example from my own work. Beginning around 2003, I began exploring whether the population mixture that has occurred in the last few hundred years in the Americas could be leveraged to find risk factors for prostate cancer, a disease that occurs 1.7 times more often in self-identified African-Americans than in self-identified European-Americans. This disparity had not been possible to explain based on dietary and environmental differences, suggesting that genetic factors might play a role.

Self-identified African-Americans turn out to derive, on average, about 80 percent of their genetic ancestry from enslaved Africans brought to America between the 16th and 19th centuries. My colleagues and I searched, in 1,597 African-American men with prostate cancer, for locations in the genome where the fraction of genes contributed by West African ancestors was larger than it was elsewhere in the genome. In 2006, we found exactly what we were looking for: a location in the genome with about 2.8 percent more African ancestry than the average.

When we looked in more detail, we found that this region contained at least seven independent risk factors for prostate cancer, all more common in West Africans. Our findings could fully account for the higher rate of prostate cancer in African-Americans than in European-Americans. We could conclude this because African-Americans who happen to have entirely European ancestry in this small section of their genomes had about the same risk for prostate cancer as random Europeans.

Did this research rely on terms like “African-American” and “European-American” that are socially constructed, and did it label segments of the genome as being probably “West African” or “European” in origin? Yes. Did this research identify real risk factors for disease that differ in frequency across those populations, leading to discoveries with the potential to improve health and save lives? Yes.

While most people will agree that finding a genetic explanation for an elevated rate of disease is important, they often draw the line there. Finding genetic influences on a propensity for disease is one thing, they argue, but looking for such influences on behavior and cognition is another.

But whether we like it or not, that line has already been crossed. A recent study led by the economist Daniel Benjamin compiled information on the number of years of education from more than 400,000 people, almost all of whom were of European ancestry. After controlling for differences in socioeconomic background, he and his colleagues identified 74 genetic variations that are over-represented in genes known to be important in neurological development, each of which is incontrovertibly more common in Europeans with more years of education than in Europeans with fewer years of education. …

This study has been joined by others finding genetic predictors of behavior. One of these, led by the geneticist Danielle Posthuma, studied more than 70,000 people and found genetic variations in more than 20 genes that were predictive of performance on intelligence tests.

Is performance on an intelligence test or the number of years of school a person attends shaped by the way a person is brought up? Of course. But does it measure something having to do with some aspect of behavior or cognition? Almost certainly. And since all traits influenced by genetics are expected to differ across populations (because the frequencies of genetic variations are rarely exactly the same across populations), the genetic influences on behavior and cognition will differ across populations, too.

You will sometimes hear that any biological differences among populations are likely to be small, because humans have diverged too recently from common ancestors for substantial differences to have arisen under the pressure of natural selection. This is not true. …

Okay, but now it’s time for one set of Russians in a sleigh pursued by hungry wolves across the tundra to throw another set of Russians out of the sleigh.

To understand why it is so dangerous for geneticists and anthropologists to simply repeat the old consensus about human population differences, consider what kinds of voices are filling the void that our silence is creating. Nicholas Wade, a longtime science journalist for The New York Times, rightly notes in his 2014 book, “A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History,” that modern research is challenging our thinking about the nature of human population differences. But he goes on to make the unfounded and irresponsible claim that this research is suggesting that genetic factors explain traditional stereotypes.

One of Mr. Wade’s key sources, for example, is the anthropologist Henry Harpending, who has asserted that people of sub-Saharan African ancestry have no propensity to work when they don’t have to because, he claims, they did not go through the type of natural selection for hard work in the last thousands of years that some Eurasians did.

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Prof. Henry Harpending & Oma!Oma, Kalahari Desert, 1960s

I can’t see anywhere in Wade’s A Troublesome Inheritance where he cites Harpending to that effect. As far as I can tell, Wade’s book cites Harpending solely for his landmark 2005 paper with Cochran and Hardy: Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence.

The late Professor Harpending, a National Academy of Science member, was a rare individual who was both a cultural anthropologist and a genetic anthropologist, spent 3.5 years living with hunter-gatherer tribes in Africa. He loved Africa so much that he seriously considered moving there permanently to live in the bush.

Harpending noted in his West Hunter blog with Greg Cochran that in typical African farming cultures, where weeding is done more with hoes than plows, black women tend to work harder than black men, an observation rather similar to the results found in Stanford economist Raj Chetty’s brand new paper on the gender gap in earnings of African-Americans.

This anthropological observation that most of the farming work in sub-Saharan Africa was done by women was not original to Harpending. The leftist anthropologist Jack Goody pointed out the African reverse gender gap in labor in the 1960s. From the Goody Lecture at the Max Planck Institute in 2011 by Keith Hart explains Goody’s observations:

European feudalism was based on private property in land and this was absent from traditional West Africa. Why? Because land was scarce in Western Europe, but not in Africa, where the scarce factor was people; and control over them was exercised through monopolies of the “means of destruction” (horses, guns etc.), not the means of production. Africa’s polities were both centralized and decentralized, the former acquiring manpower by force through carrying out slave raids on the latter (Fortes and Evans-Pritchard 1940). Shifting hoe agriculture was the norm, with the bulk of manual labour being performed by women. In both types of society they were hoarded as wives by polygamous older men and their children were recruited to exclusive descent groups.

Indeed, Harpending noted that the in the two African peoples he lived with this anthropological stereotype was not true. In the hunter-gatherer Bushmen, the husbands tended to bring home the bacon much like among Europeans, and in the herding Herrero the husbands did much of herding. Back to Reich:

There is simply no scientific evidence to support this statement.

Sure …

Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.

Sure …

Another high-profile example is James Watson, the scientist who in 1953 co-discovered the structure of DNA, and who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.

After all, what has James D. Watson ever done for science?

At a meeting a few years later, Dr. Watson said to me and my fellow geneticist Beth Shapiro something to the effect of “When are you guys going to figure out why it is that you Jews are so much smarter than everyone else?”

Good question.

Harpending, Cochran, and Hardy proposed a study of Jewish patients with the genetic disease torsion dystonia to attempt to replicate old observations that they tend to have particularly high IQ. Last I heard, three times that proposal has been taken up by researchers and three times shot down by bosses for political reasons.

He asserted that Jews were high achievers because of genetic advantages conferred by thousands of years of natural selection to be scholars, and that East Asian students tended to be conformist because of selection for conformity in ancient Chinese society. (Contacted recently, Dr. Watson denied having made these statements, maintaining that they do not represent his views; Dr. Shapiro said that her recollection matched mine.)

Dr. Watson will be 90 next month. It’s really bad behavior on Dr. Reich’s part to point the hate-filled mob at the elderly great man based on something the old man said in private in order to keep the mob from getting mad at Dr. Reich instead.

What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.

Something must be done to shut up the Watsons, Wades, and Harpendings so that the Reichs and Shapiros can continue to get funding without danger of being cutoff by sniping from the Montagus and Lewontins.

P.S., here’s a comment by Gregory Cochran on his blog that he co-founded with Henry Harpending, West Hunter:

Reich is in a very odd place. Like many people with a similar background, he was brought up to be a good liberal, which entails believing in a lot of obvious falsehoods. But he’s smart, and the current of discovery in genetics strongly undermines some of those liberal beliefs. I have said that hardly anyone, maybe only a few hundred people worldwide, are going to become convinced of the existence of genetically caused differences between races because of genetic evidence – when obvious phenotypic differences aren’t enough? But there are a few such people and I think Reich is one of them. He’s been told about current and upcoming GWAS studies of intelligence. And although the emotional charge is lower, he’s been busily demolishing fashionable, false liberal ideas about prehistory (pots not peoples, no massive migrations, no fire-and-sword population replacements). He knows that these guys are reliably wrong in his field – that has to influence his thinking.

He also knows that he works at Harvard, knows where his funding comes from, knows what happened to Watson. He knows that calling the shots honestly would destroy his career, destroy the careers of the young people working there, etc. It’s lot like trying to a decent job under Communism: you had to make compromises. Or being a policeman working for Vichy: there are still criminals that needed to be caught, right?

Being a collabo is not as fun as it looks. But most Frenchmen were collabos, to some extent – DeGaulle was atypical.

 
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  1. Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

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    • Troll: 27 year old, Mishra
    • Replies: @istevefan
    Get out of my country!
    , @J.Ross
    Maybe write better. Also, I can't shake the feeling that your whole article is just a crazily verbose accusation of which you are guilty in another way: that one specialized understanding does not save you from missing a legitimate point requiring another understanding which you do not have. If you want to prove the importance of numbers, especially to an audience containing less than highly numerate people, you will encounter the importance of letters.
    , @Clyde
    You got 379 comments for your Unz article so you must be doing something right. Or wrong. I think you're kind of a jerk but those who criticize you can write something long for Unz and see if Ron Unz will publish it.
    , @Twinkie
    Or if uh not.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.
     
    “Teach, are we going to be tested on this Yoda bullshit?”
    , @AnotherDad
    Newsflash: Asians good at math!

    Yan, researching the Asian skew toward math IQ relative to Europeans is an interesting topic. But your patting yourself on your back--i hope you haven't wrenched your shoulder--when your deep "insight" is not just something every HBDer is aware of but a stereotype every high school student knows and literally a sitcom trope ... that's just embarrassing.

    Furthermore, you then go on to state stuff that is either stated very sloppily or just plain wrong:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use.
     
    Sorry but this is just ridiculous. While a lot of people have some noticeable cognitive skew, and there is definitely an East-Asian/European cognitive skew, "g" isn't some joke. Most smart people are indeed smart. Their brains just overall function better--process faster, make more intricate connections, store more data. And the effect of this is huge--both individually and societally.

    The main reason Ghana and South Korea--small nations, US allies--had equivalent GDP/capita in 1960, but South Korea's is now 20 times greater ... Koreans are pretty smart, Ghanaians not so much. Ghanaians (and other Africans) could have a math/verbal skew like Koreans, but if the weren't actually "smart", it just wouldn't matter. You need "smarts" to get it going.

    In fact, the "math/verbal split" isn't even reason #2 for the rapid rise of East Asians nations. The second most important reason for East-Asia's rise is superior personality traits: higher conscientiousness, lower time preference, higher agreeableness. Basically the "nose to grindstone", save, work hard, do what your told (what is necessary). These traits are very important to organizing production that is competitive. (And traits noteably lacking in the non-East-Asian areas of the 3rd world.) This personality skew also pretty evident to most folks ("Asian grind"). Californians picked up on it when the Chinese showed up to work on the Central Pacific, and it led them to--wisely--seek to keep out the Chinese. But, Yan, you went review article length on East Asians, but somehow failed to mention critical personality differences.

    The correct "in conclusion" discussing Asian success would have the factors ranked
    1) High IQ -- you have to have civilization level IQ to do civilization (some groups outright lack that)
    2) Personality traits -- conscientiousness, low time-preference and at least a reasonable ability to cooperate are critical to success in industrial civilization which involves organizing production among large groups, producing to specific standards of quality and saving enough capital to reinvest.
    3) Math/verbal split -- math IQ being (increasingly) critical to engineering products that are competitve at the world standard and improving or innovating to stay ahead.

    So yes, East-Asians math/verbal skew relative to Europeans is definitely relevant. But that whole "relative to Europeans" should be a big hint. It's a 2nd order effect, very important when comparing East Asians to Europeans, another relatively high-IQ civilized race. But relevant after one has already taken into account the larger 1st order effect of "g" (or just "smarts") which explains most the "global" picture pretty well.
    , @gwynedd1
    I am not even finished reading your article and I am impressed by the comment on the monolithic concept of intelligence. It goes even beyond this. A culture needs to have a willingness to cooperate, and individuals also need a high tolerance for repetition and attention to detail.

    Take the world of programming, for example. The functionality of a certain bit of code is not isolated to its brilliance confined to its own black box. Its also in its interfaces. The interfacing of very simple things can lead to far more complex structures and those components might be far more prosaic than an impressive chunk of code that is not made to scale.

    This is what I see that limits African cultures the most. There is a lot of intelligence, but its not made to scale.
    , @Parsimony
    Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself, and Asians.
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  2. Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Winston Smith's duties have been updated for the 21st century. Excluding facts inconvenient to the official narrative is not sufficiently expansive to properly retcon history. Some new records must be created so as to be included in the official narrative.

    We, too, are part of the problem.
     
    A nice touch, there.
    , @AndrewR
    I'm guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person.
    , @anon
    as someone who writes OCR software... i welcome this idea.
    as someone who is not a culture warrior... eff-you.
    , @El Dato
    This is why AI is being invented: Someone has to read all the stuff.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    "Part of the problem?"

    I thought we were the Problem.

    What's next? Stop publishing the white authors who were published over the rejected black authors? That's already happening.

    Anyway, like television, most fiction is published for and by woke women now, so there shouldn't be a Problem going forward.
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  3. …who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.

    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson’s claim is “without any scientific evidence”?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it’s precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

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    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?
     
    Precisely. I keep saying people on the left appear to lack the self-awareness gene.
    , @TheBoom
    The ability to hold firmly two conflicting ideas without acknowledging there is a conflict is a core competency of everyone on the left.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    How on Earth can Reich claim...
     
    Damage control. He knows his research hurt the feelings of some of his funders, so he has to kow-tow now and reassure them he is still on their side.
    , @lavoisier

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?
     
    Because a guy like Reich, hypocrite and liar that he is, wants it both ways. He wants to be thought well of by the liars who populate the great and the good today and yet maintain some semblance of being an objective scientist who is respectful of empirical truth.

    In order to do this as a geneticist he has to acknowledge, even grudgingly, that genes influence human behaviors and that there are differences in the genetics of various human subpopulations. But in order to maintain good standing with the great and the good he is required to slander men like Watson and Wade and make idiotic pronouncements on what is and what is not acceptable discourse.

    I am tired of hearing people say how smart these lying sanctimonious hypocrites are and that they are deserving of respect for their honesty and their bravery.

    This guy is a scumbag who is about as committed to the open exchange of ideas as any other garden variety liar. That he is at Harvard is not much of a surprise in that this was also the home of another self-righteous liar and book burner by the name of Stephen Jay Gould.

    , @utu

    without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans
     
    He is correct. There is an empirical evidence that Africans perform worse on intelligence tests than Europeans. But there is no explicit evidence for genetic explanation. Once GWAS studies identify a sequence of SNPs that can be used to predict IQ explaining ≈50% of variance within European and African populations and that the mean of the prediction for Africans will be lower than the mean for Europeans this will constitute an explicit genetic evidence. So far SNPs/genes can predict 7% of variance (see the most recent Thompson article here at unz.com) and Hsu's last year paper where he managed to explain only 9% of variance of educational attainment with 1000's of SNPs.
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  4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reich_(geneticist)

    “Reich grew up in Washington, D.C. His parents are novelist Tova Reich and Walter Reich, a professor at George Washington University, who served as the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.”

    What a coincidence.

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    This guy Reich is really pathetic. Does slagging Watson make the sad news he delivers to the Proggs in this article more palatable? There must be a secret formula used by the Left used to present genetic fact to the NPR crowd, each truth followed by 2 paras of apologetic nonsense.
    , @Colleen Pater
    Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu (June 28, 1905 – November 26, 1999), previously known as Israel Ehrenberg, was a British-American anthropologist who popularized the study of topics such as race and gender and their relation to politics and development.[1] He was the rapporteur, in 1950, for the UNESCO statement The Race Question. As a young man he changed his name from Ehrenberg to "Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu". After relocating to the United States he used the name "Ashley Montagu". Montagu, who became a naturalized American citizen in 1940, taught and lectured at Harvard, Princeton, Rutgers, the University of California, Santa Barbara, and New York University.[2] He authored over sixty books throughout this lifetime. In 1995, the American Humanist Association named him the Humanist of the Year.
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  5. The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren’t finished with their work until they do.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Oh, but Pinker was more than glad to trumpet the (likely) nonsense about Jews having a heterozygote advantage in intelligence due to Tay-Sachs like diseases.** Makes you wonder why they employ one (skeptical, often condemnatory) standard for flattering observations on Whites with respect to Blacks (even when the evidence is strong), and another much more open and approving standard on studies that portray Jews as having higher IQs than Whites - even when the evidence is much weaker.

    By the way, is Ashley Montagu not a good example of several stereotypes simultaneously? Changed name to Montague from Ehrenburg (crypsis). Was a pseudo-scientific race denialist and a propagandist. Was motivated by politics: WWII and Nazis.

    ** Genetic Drift is a good explanation. Also, Tay-Sachs is common in other populations which have no reputation for having high IQs (like the Irish), and it has never been demonstrated to boost intelligence. Why is this heterozygote advantage nonsense quoted everywhere? Btw, though the study is small in sample size, the data we have suggests that Jewish brains are smaller than Gentile brains. How can you square this observation with the hypothesis that they were selected for genetically higher iq? See https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/05/29/jewish-brain-size/comment-page-1/

    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Some people seem to have little regard for the work or the reputation other people, especially if these other people could pose a threat to their own. By thrashing the other guys, they protect themselves from persecution for wrongthink while at the same time getting rid of possible competitors for fame and funding.

    As long as Reich convinces himself that he's doing God's and it would be a net loss for humanity if his work was stopped by accusations of thoughtcrime, it gets easy to diss other people. For the record, I think his work is great, I don't know him personally, and I know my assessment is not very generous; yet it makes sense.
    , @larry lurker
    What crimethinkers has Pinker trashed? No examples are coming to mind.
    , @mantle of hate
    ''The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people,''

    ...this exactly. you could understand and forgive them their 'prudence' if they didn't go out of their way to malign others. Jordan Peterson is one of these people. Today he posted another weak Straw Man argument against 'alt right conspiracy theorists' who believe in Jewish conspiracies. Hilariously, to me alone it seems, he invoked not just higher-iq this time but group personality factors: namely that Jews on average tend to be more open to experience. As a personality researcher I can't wait for Dr Peterson's next Tweet where he mocks the alt right for not understanding that Jews are over represented in elite institutions because of higher IQ and greater openness to experience, greater disagreeableness, higher psychopathy, neuroticism, and narcissism. That'd show us. Being low in agreeableness is after all more highly correlated with economic success than high trait openness to experience.

    , @songbird
    People can talk about bell curves and not leaping to conclusions about individuals, but the ultimate qualifier is when a guy punches right. It's pretty disgusting to do when trying to promote yourself though.
    , @Tyrion 2

    The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.
     
    Isn't that what most commenters under this article are doing? Except Pinker, Reich et al. are using it as the spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down for their 'progressive' readers.

    I think 'collaborator' is a fair way to describe these academics' behaviour. But while the term is an accusation, it is also an understandable excuse. Furthermore, to those who are carefully walking the fine line of collaboration, those who blunder about stomping both rightly and, importantly, wrongly, inevitably come across as deeply stupid and harmful.

    Personally, I think all should do a full Amy Wax. Those who are forcing collaborators to humiliate and prostrate themselves are full of hubris and can goaded into almost anything, no matter how obviously stupid.
    , @Anon
    Here's the answer:

    “Reich grew up in Washington, D.C. His parents are novelist Tova Reich and Walter Reich, a professor at George Washington University, who served as the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.”
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  6. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Get out of my country!

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    Sorry, but we've lost our country - though, importantly, not our people. The old United States is like a person with a terminal disease that hasn't seen the doctor yet, but, if you look hard, can see the symptoms.

    Only half of the children being born in the U.S. are of European ancestry. That number will fall due to birthrates and immigration. The game is over for what most of us consider to be the United States. It simply won't exist in the form that we understand. It's sad, but there it is.

    It's time to think about the future, about what comes next. To me, it's slowly laying the ground work for whites to act like Jews. Create a community within a society. Just as Jews as a variety of groups to promote their interests and people, whites need to do the same. Sure, they'll be push back, which is why you do it slowly. Also, the historic tide will turn. Many - though probably not most - whites will start to wake up to the reality that every group is looking out for themselves. They will long for the same thing.

    There are still millions of whites who don't want to go gentle into that good night.
    , @Anon

    Get out of my country!
     
    Yeah, go to buggery.
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  7. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.
     

    Winston Smith’s duties have been updated for the 21st century. Excluding facts inconvenient to the official narrative is not sufficiently expansive to properly retcon history. Some new records must be created so as to be included in the official narrative.

    We, too, are part of the problem.

    A nice touch, there.

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    Winston Smith’s duties have been updated for the 21st century. Excluding facts inconvenient to the official narrative is not sufficiently expansive to properly retcon history. Some new records must be created so as to be included in the official narrative.
     
    We need a new, up-to-date dystopian novel called 2034.
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  8. @candid_observer

    ...who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.
     
    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson's claim is "without any scientific evidence"?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it's precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    Precisely. I keep saying people on the left appear to lack the self-awareness gene.

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  9. He just started lying at the end. He can’t really believe what he is saying.

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  10. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Something must be done to shut up the Watsons, Wades, and Harpendings so that the Reichs and Shapiros can continue to get funding without danger of being cutoff by sniping from the Montagus and Lewontins.

    This may be an example of the bias or nepotism, whether unconscious or conscious, that explains at least part of Jewish overrepresentation. Gentiles in a particular subject or field tend to have relatively less immunity against criticism and attack than Jewish figures do.

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  11. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.
     

    I’m guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person.

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    Aka "European Style Socialist."
    , @Wally
    said:
    "I’m guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person."

    Depends upon who you describe as a "Fellow White Person".
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  12. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Maybe write better. Also, I can’t shake the feeling that your whole article is just a crazily verbose accusation of which you are guilty in another way: that one specialized understanding does not save you from missing a legitimate point requiring another understanding which you do not have. If you want to prove the importance of numbers, especially to an audience containing less than highly numerate people, you will encounter the importance of letters.

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  13. The concern is that such research, no matter how well-intentioned, is located on a slippery slope that leads to the kinds of pseudoscientific arguments about biological difference that were used in the past to try to justify the slave trade, the eugenics movement and the Nazis’ murder of six million Jews.

    The six million non-Jews murdered in the holocaust are chopped liver once again. I’ll skip the part where “anti-racist” leftism was used to justify the murder of 11 million Ukrainians before Hitler touched the hair on a single Jew’s head.

    The argument is a fig leaf. If you don’t want slave trades, then vilify slavery. If you don’t want to force women into sterilization (as Israeli doctors were recently caught doing to black African women without their knowledge or consent) or euthanize retarded people, vilify those things. If you don’t want genocide then vilify genocide (maybe start with the soft, slow, unacknowledged genocide of European peoples that is currently ongoing).

    I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”

    Genetic obscurantism and the delusion of human group cognitive equality (AKA, “anti-racism”) are being used to justify racism; the practice of blaming all “black failure” on phantom white racism, “white privilege,” etc.

    I am also worried that whatever discoveries are made — and we truly have no idea yet what they will be — will be cited as “scientific proof” that racist prejudices and agendas have been correct all along, and that those well-meaning people will not understand the science well enough to push back against these claims.

    Not knowing any science hasn’t slowed them down so far.

    While most people will agree that finding a genetic explanation for an elevated rate of disease is important, they often draw the line there. Finding genetic influences on a propensity for disease is one thing, they argue, but looking for such influences on behavior and cognition is another.

    Cuz everybody knows dumb, impulsive people get better healthcare, take better care of themselves, and are less prone to injury, therefore behavior and cognition have nothing to do with health.

    To understand why it is so dangerous for geneticists and anthropologists to simply repeat the old consensus about human population differences

    To understand how dangerous “anti-racist” equalitarians are, consider that commies murdered over one hundred million civilians in the 20th century.

    “When are you guys going to figure out why it is that you Jews are so much smarter than everyone else?”

    When are you goys going to learn not to have such unguarded moments around Jews?

    What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.

    What makes leftists so invidious and dangerous is that they start with the tolerable notion that people should be treated equally by their governments, and then use that to leverage the unsupportable idea of human group cognitive equality, the intolerable practice of anti-freedom laws (AKA, “anti-discrimination” laws), collective white guilt for “black failure,” murdering 100m+ people to bring about their politically-correct utopias, etc.

    P.S., Kato, we can discuss that in China, after you go back.

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    Sooner or later a message will be made properly diplomatic and relayed to (((our intelligentsia))) that their whole selling point is being able to do high level technical work, not moralistic hand-wringing, and that, in the time it takes them to mention HaShoah six million times, the Chinese have perfected crispr and are designer-diseasing us out of the picture.
    , @Wally
    Once again Steve Sailor censors my response to a post which made fake, unsupportable claims about the impossible 'holocaust'.
    Sailor is fine with those who bring up the fake 'holocaust' narrative as long as those that do indicate a belief in it.
    Continued double standards from Steve Sailor.

    With those like Steve Sailor acting as gate keepers it's no wonder that Eur0-white gentiles are in the fix that they are.

    Everyone, get off your knees.

    www.codoh.com

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  14. I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism

    So is this another Jared Diamond approach – disallow any simple but politically incorrect explanations ab initio, and then go looking for the next best?

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  15. Globalists and their shabbos goyim are scared Scheisslos about how they’re going to keep advances in genetics from turning people into race realists.

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  16. The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren’t finished with their work until they do.

    Pinker: I’m a god of reason.
    Also Pinker: I didn’t read Kevin Macdonald’s work, which is how I know it’s racist antisemitic pseudo-science.

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  17. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:

    Ashley Montagu, real name Israel Ehrenburg, is another example of the kind of “intellectual” that MacDonald describes in CofC.

    Race doesn’t exist my fellow white people, now go kill the Nazis so we can turn Europe black and Muslim in the 21st century.

    Overall, I found Reich’s commentary sophomoric. Are we sure this wasn’t written by a 19 year old?

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  18. If any of these race deniers needed an organ transplant, they’d become race believers in a hurry.

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    Kidneys, yes. You usually get close relatives. But something like lungs are anonymously donated (after death of the donors). Different organs have different rejection rates, so interracial compatibility varies.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    If any of these race deniers needed an organ transplant, they’d become race believers in a hurry.
     
    Well, I can think of one organ that might be the exception ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRE6BPhN2I
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  19. @istevefan
    Get out of my country!

    Sorry, but we’ve lost our country – though, importantly, not our people. The old United States is like a person with a terminal disease that hasn’t seen the doctor yet, but, if you look hard, can see the symptoms.

    Only half of the children being born in the U.S. are of European ancestry. That number will fall due to birthrates and immigration. The game is over for what most of us consider to be the United States. It simply won’t exist in the form that we understand. It’s sad, but there it is.

    It’s time to think about the future, about what comes next. To me, it’s slowly laying the ground work for whites to act like Jews. Create a community within a society. Just as Jews as a variety of groups to promote their interests and people, whites need to do the same. Sure, they’ll be push back, which is why you do it slowly. Also, the historic tide will turn. Many – though probably not most – whites will start to wake up to the reality that every group is looking out for themselves. They will long for the same thing.

    There are still millions of whites who don’t want to go gentle into that good night.

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    If the objective is for whites to start employing a Jewish strategy to further their own interests, they might start by getting rich white people to buy/fund as much media as they can - and refuse to tolerate journalists who write negative things about whites, or promote causes that are hostile to white interests.
    , @415 reasons
    Whites already do create their own societies. Look at the demographic dot map of San Francisco. The central best real estate in the city is a liberal urban whiteopia. White kids playing in parks, white moms in coffee shops, nearly all white private schools. We let our property values discriminate so we don’t have to. Ignore the rhetoric, watch what they do... the liberal white elites at the top of the Democratic Party driving the transformation of this country want to live in a place like Switzerland, not Brazil.
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  20. Uhhh…two casual remarks (actually, old stuff):

    a) which is the difference, percentage-wise, between males & females of the same species/race? If less than 10% (and it certainly is), do you claim that males & females are basically “the same”?

    b) are Jews “smarter”? I mean something more substantial than street-smart or similar. They have been over-represented in some areas in past 150 years, but their history is, if we take Davidic kingdom seriously, 3000 years long. During these 3000 years much more creative populations have flourished (Greeks 700 BC-200 BC, Florentine Italians 1300-1600, Germans 1750-1940, ..), while Jews remained a functioning & stubbornly ethno-centric, but nevertheless backward group (hence Voltaire’s, Kant’s & Goethe’s sometimes harsh remarks). Those European groups created immensely more than Jews, even if we include Hebrew Bible as the masterpiece of Western literature.

    So, enough with Jewish “genius” adulation. To acknowledge one’s ability one need not overblow it unrealistically..

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Bardon,

    I will bet my left nut either you or your wife are jewish.

    You show up in various forums on various topics to declare that 'jews are boring' so often that it's become pretty obvious that you have a horse in the race. It's tiresome.

    Jews may be boring to you, but they are central to a lot of the issues discussed on this and other sites you frequent. The discussion of jews and their role in Western societies is a massively important topic that is virtually invisible in most media outlets (which are oddly owned almost exclusively by jews!... booooring)

    I get the distinct feeling you are sitting in some government building in an industrial park in Tel Aviv? If jews are a pathetically narrow fixation here, please humor us just a little bit and maybe go comment on something else. There are so many other things to be concerned about in the world maybe you can find another thread dealing with a more exciting topic.
    , @Jack D
    Jews is general were never geniuses. Jewish genius was (and is) largely confined to Ashkenazi Jews. Keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews have more European than Middle Eastern genes. You then take that mostly European group and conduct one of the rare eugenic natural experiments in history on it for several hundred years by forcing that group to live by its wits and not off the land. You then release them from the ghettos in which they have been confined for centuries, and viola, you have Einstein, etc. Jewish genius is real. In America, where they are 2% of the population, 25% of any high IQ selected group (Nobel Prize winners, chess champions, billionaires, etc.) is Jewish.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    I agree. It's one reason I keep warning the alt-right to be on guard against Jewish interests which might try and co-opt HBD theory to advance their own agenda. They'll try and get us all to agree that they're a bunch of 'geniuses' who should be deferred to and obeyed. The other ones to watch out for who may be trying to infiltrate the alt-right (now that they're no longer welcome on the left) are the Zionists. Beware! You have been warned ...
    , @HuizingaJ
    Whatever else can said about the Jews, their ‘intelligence’ did not enable the race, despite its antiquity, to create a viable nation state over the millennia of its existence. The insertion of their kind of viral ’genome’ into critical parts of the DNA of, first, European states and then the USA, can be seen as parasitic in a biological sense.
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  21. OT at that illegal attempt to start the civil war tomorrow, the enemies of the Constitution will self-identify by wearing knit gloves (and headbands, etc) sporting blue Sumerian “Evil Eyes” but wait, I haven’t gotten to the wierd part, they’re third world slave labor trash imported by the same titaness of industry who gave us the pink knit hat (which, despite its name, clearly has two apices). Not the Parkland Players. The gloves.
    Comment at 4chan:

    ..
    Anonymous (ID: bv1GjloH)
    03/23/18(Fri)19:01:43 No.165121955
    This will go the way of the p**** hat.

    There is money to be made if you buy these items from a 3rd world country and sell them at huge markups. They don’t even have to be high quality since they will only be worn once the[n] thrown in a box.

    Sound business advice there, notice he got dubs.
    Legacy link:

    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/37796786/why-youll-see-a-lot-of-evil-eye-gloves-at-the-march-for-our-lives

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  22. Harpending noted in his West Hunter blog with Greg Cochran that in typical African farming cultures, where weeding is done more with hoes than plows, black women tend to work harder than black men.

    Can this simply be because women’s backs are more resilient for constant bending a bit up and down in hoeing, weeding and cultivating vegetables, tubers, etc.? I always hear about men with bad backs but rarely women.

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    You hear that more in the West, where men perform the vast majority of back-breaking work. Another factor is that men are taller and hence less suited to a built environment favoring short people.
    , @a reader
    A similar phenomenon occurs during the carrying of water on long distances: even regular size containers of water laid on the head might occasionally induce some headaches, to which men are much more prone than women.
    , @Carroll Price
    Perhaps it escaped your notice, but a rather high percentage of white males also suffer from bad backs.
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  23. @Svigor

    The concern is that such research, no matter how well-intentioned, is located on a slippery slope that leads to the kinds of pseudoscientific arguments about biological difference that were used in the past to try to justify the slave trade, the eugenics movement and the Nazis’ murder of six million Jews.
     
    The six million non-Jews murdered in the holocaust are chopped liver once again. I'll skip the part where "anti-racist" leftism was used to justify the murder of 11 million Ukrainians before Hitler touched the hair on a single Jew's head.

    The argument is a fig leaf. If you don't want slave trades, then vilify slavery. If you don't want to force women into sterilization (as Israeli doctors were recently caught doing to black African women without their knowledge or consent) or euthanize retarded people, vilify those things. If you don't want genocide then vilify genocide (maybe start with the soft, slow, unacknowledged genocide of European peoples that is currently ongoing).

    I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”
     
    Genetic obscurantism and the delusion of human group cognitive equality (AKA, "anti-racism") are being used to justify racism; the practice of blaming all "black failure" on phantom white racism, "white privilege," etc.

    I am also worried that whatever discoveries are made — and we truly have no idea yet what they will be — will be cited as “scientific proof” that racist prejudices and agendas have been correct all along, and that those well-meaning people will not understand the science well enough to push back against these claims.
     
    Not knowing any science hasn't slowed them down so far.

    While most people will agree that finding a genetic explanation for an elevated rate of disease is important, they often draw the line there. Finding genetic influences on a propensity for disease is one thing, they argue, but looking for such influences on behavior and cognition is another.
     
    Cuz everybody knows dumb, impulsive people get better healthcare, take better care of themselves, and are less prone to injury, therefore behavior and cognition have nothing to do with health.

    To understand why it is so dangerous for geneticists and anthropologists to simply repeat the old consensus about human population differences
     
    To understand how dangerous "anti-racist" equalitarians are, consider that commies murdered over one hundred million civilians in the 20th century.

    “When are you guys going to figure out why it is that you Jews are so much smarter than everyone else?”
     
    When are you goys going to learn not to have such unguarded moments around Jews?

    What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.
     
    What makes leftists so invidious and dangerous is that they start with the tolerable notion that people should be treated equally by their governments, and then use that to leverage the unsupportable idea of human group cognitive equality, the intolerable practice of anti-freedom laws (AKA, "anti-discrimination" laws), collective white guilt for "black failure," murdering 100m+ people to bring about their politically-correct utopias, etc.

    P.S., Kato, we can discuss that in China, after you go back.

    Sooner or later a message will be made properly diplomatic and relayed to (((our intelligentsia))) that their whole selling point is being able to do high level technical work, not moralistic hand-wringing, and that, in the time it takes them to mention HaShoah six million times, the Chinese have perfected crispr and are designer-diseasing us out of the picture.

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  24. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    You got 379 comments for your Unz article so you must be doing something right. Or wrong. I think you’re kind of a jerk but those who criticize you can write something long for Unz and see if Ron Unz will publish it.

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    Clyde, Unz publishes articles from several leftard shitheels. That doesn't mean that they are doing something right. Drawing comments to an article also isn't a great accomplishment.

    A long string of comments posted in disagreement or dismissal doesn't make an article more worthy than the comments written in response to it, either.
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  25. Something must be done to shut up the Watsons, Wades, and Harpendings so that the Reichs and Shapiros can continue to get funding without danger of being cutoff by sniping from the Montagus and Lewontins.

    Is Jonathan Haidt’s reference to David Penkins***** in this video below a good answer to this question – or is it still not complex engough?

    *****David Perkins, Havard: – If people go up in IQ, they’re getting better in finding reasons – but only for their own side. The higher the IQ, the more tribal pople tend to argue. The only cure Jonathan Haidt sees: You have to institutionalize disconformation, otherwise you just can’t be sure if an argument is true.

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    That's interesting, hearing Haidt describing JS Mill as his favourite philosopher and using Mill's arguments.


    The only cure Jonathan Haidt sees: You have to institutionalize disconformation, otherwise you just can’t be sure if an argument is true.
     
    This is basically Haidt constructing a truth-finding institution based on Mill's argument, best outlined as follows by Sean Gabb:


    Mill is at his very best in Chapter II, “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion”. This contains the best argument for freedom of speech that I have ever found. Briefly stated, it goes thus:

    We have no means of knowing with complete certainty the truth or falsity of any proposition. Therefore, to prohibit its being advanced is to make a wholly unfounded assumption of infallibility. Moreover, if a prohibition is made, one of two consequences will follow:

    First, if the proposition is true, humanity will lose whatever benefit might follow from an addition to the stock of existing truths;

    Second, if it is false, we shall lose what little assurance we can have of the truth of the other proposition denied by it. Establish even the plainest truth by law, and it will dwindle from the status of a truth acknowledged by reason to the status of a prejudice that can be embarrassed by the feeblest opposing show of reason.

    When putting this argument, I have sometimes been called a racist, and was once pelted with beer glasses. But I have yet to hear or read a reply to it that I feel worth considering.
     
    John Stuart Mill's Essay on Liberty, Reviewed by Sean Gabb
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  26. Still, the wall is being chipped away slowly due to pressure the hdb-sphere are exerting.

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  27. @candid_observer

    ...who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.
     
    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson's claim is "without any scientific evidence"?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it's precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    The ability to hold firmly two conflicting ideas without acknowledging there is a conflict is a core competency of everyone on the left.

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  28. OT possible omnibus silver lining
    Inspector General Horowitz got a ton of money in this omnibus, the hopeful say that this proves completely undiscussed proper investigations into Democrat crimes are coming. The same people also say that Mueller is on our side, so, we’ll see.

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  29. huh, i learned something today. i’ve an (americanized) ashkenazic last name, and i have (undiagnosed) cervical dystonia.

    illuminati confirmed! (iq scores notwithstanding.)

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  30. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    Oh, but Pinker was more than glad to trumpet the (likely) nonsense about Jews having a heterozygote advantage in intelligence due to Tay-Sachs like diseases.** Makes you wonder why they employ one (skeptical, often condemnatory) standard for flattering observations on Whites with respect to Blacks (even when the evidence is strong), and another much more open and approving standard on studies that portray Jews as having higher IQs than Whites – even when the evidence is much weaker.

    By the way, is Ashley Montagu not a good example of several stereotypes simultaneously? Changed name to Montague from Ehrenburg (crypsis). Was a pseudo-scientific race denialist and a propagandist. Was motivated by politics: WWII and Nazis.

    ** Genetic Drift is a good explanation. Also, Tay-Sachs is common in other populations which have no reputation for having high IQs (like the Irish), and it has never been demonstrated to boost intelligence. Why is this heterozygote advantage nonsense quoted everywhere? Btw, though the study is small in sample size, the data we have suggests that Jewish brains are smaller than Gentile brains. How can you square this observation with the hypothesis that they were selected for genetically higher iq? See https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/05/29/jewish-brain-size/comment-page-1/

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  31. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Reich:

    “he [Watson] stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.”

    It is sad to see Reich lying in exact same way against which he is ostensibly arguing.

    By 2007, scientific evidence demonstrated, beyond a shadow of doubt, that 1) IQ is at least 50% hereditary and 2) blacks/Africans have lower IQ than whites/Europeans. The parsimonious conclusion is then that “that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans” and that is exactly what is called “scientific evidence.” If Reich used the phrase in a paper submitted to publication and I were a reviewer, he would most definitely be compelled to use a less ambiguous wordnig.

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  32. @candid_observer

    ...who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.
     
    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson's claim is "without any scientific evidence"?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it's precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    How on Earth can Reich claim…

    Damage control. He knows his research hurt the feelings of some of his funders, so he has to kow-tow now and reassure them he is still on their side.

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  33. OT German minister: avoid getting stabbed by not letting people get close to you
    It’s not clear if this man has ever visited a European city or understands that not everybody has a security detail. Note his use of the term sensitive probably means situationally aware, he’s probably not blaming cultural insensitivity.

    https://www.infowars.com/german-minister-on-migrant-knife-crime-dont-let-people-get-close-to-you/

    A German Federal Ministry for Family Affairs study revealed that there was a correlation between a surge in violent crime and the arrival of migrants, with migrants being over represented in crime statistics.

    However, according to Herbert Reul, Minister of the Interior of North Rhine Westphali[a], who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party, the solution to migrant knife crime is simply for Germans to be more “sensitive” towards it.

    “Citizens will just have to be more sensitive,” said Reul, adding, “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”

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    “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”
     
    Priceless advice.
    , @Pericles

    “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”

     

    Excellent idea, is Turkey far enough?
    , @Anon
    Baron Harkonnen speaks!
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  34. @Dieter Kief

    Something must be done to shut up the Watsons, Wades, and Harpendings so that the Reichs and Shapiros can continue to get funding without danger of being cutoff by sniping from the Montagus and Lewontins.
     
    Is Jonathan Haidt's reference to David Penkins***** in this video below a good answer to this question - or is it still not complex engough?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uogEbb0WOJE

    *****David Perkins, Havard: - If people go up in IQ, they're getting better in finding reasons - but only for their own side. The higher the IQ, the more tribal pople tend to argue. The only cure Jonathan Haidt sees: You have to institutionalize disconformation, otherwise you just can't be sure if an argument is true.

    That’s interesting, hearing Haidt describing JS Mill as his favourite philosopher and using Mill’s arguments.

    The only cure Jonathan Haidt sees: You have to institutionalize disconformation, otherwise you just can’t be sure if an argument is true.

    This is basically Haidt constructing a truth-finding institution based on Mill’s argument, best outlined as follows by Sean Gabb:

    Mill is at his very best in Chapter II, “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion”. This contains the best argument for freedom of speech that I have ever found. Briefly stated, it goes thus:

    We have no means of knowing with complete certainty the truth or falsity of any proposition. Therefore, to prohibit its being advanced is to make a wholly unfounded assumption of infallibility. Moreover, if a prohibition is made, one of two consequences will follow:

    First, if the proposition is true, humanity will lose whatever benefit might follow from an addition to the stock of existing truths;

    Second, if it is false, we shall lose what little assurance we can have of the truth of the other proposition denied by it. Establish even the plainest truth by law, and it will dwindle from the status of a truth acknowledged by reason to the status of a prejudice that can be embarrassed by the feeblest opposing show of reason.

    When putting this argument, I have sometimes been called a racist, and was once pelted with beer glasses. But I have yet to hear or read a reply to it that I feel worth considering.

    John Stuart Mill’s Essay on Liberty, Reviewed by Sean Gabb

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    Yeah Mill - or Kant, of course, or Habermas: The only reasonable constriction that sould be allowed in academia is the principle, that the better argument should be acknowledged, no matter what!

    And: I'm really glad, Haidt makes the connection to David Perkins' findings about the tendency of high IQ people to behave - - tribal.

    (I'm a little bit astonished, afer having followed the discussion here on this blog for a while about - let's say - the pretty obvious tribal nature of a lot of high IQ groups (there are quite a few pretty good examples, aren't there?!) - that Perkins doesn't get mentioned here much more often. That puzzles me.

    (It is very easy, to make perfect use of Perkins' findings about the tribebability (if that's not a term, you might understand what I want to say using it anyhow, I hope (which would mean, that it works like a term now, maybe - ok: - hopefully...) ok - : With Reich, you have a perfect example of an for sure, I'd think, at least: moderately high IQ - intellectual, who does argue in a tribal way - just as Perkins says, and is therefor, as Steve Sailer shows above: Indeed constricted, what the quality of is arguments is concerned.

    And not only that: He Reich's example shows exactly what Haidt critizises: That the tribal nature of his arumentation makes him inclined to the PC-crowds attacks on the core (=the heart) of liberal dicourse: He indeed does attack disconformation in putting PC-arguments . a b o v e . arguments as such!

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  35. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Sorry, but we've lost our country - though, importantly, not our people. The old United States is like a person with a terminal disease that hasn't seen the doctor yet, but, if you look hard, can see the symptoms.

    Only half of the children being born in the U.S. are of European ancestry. That number will fall due to birthrates and immigration. The game is over for what most of us consider to be the United States. It simply won't exist in the form that we understand. It's sad, but there it is.

    It's time to think about the future, about what comes next. To me, it's slowly laying the ground work for whites to act like Jews. Create a community within a society. Just as Jews as a variety of groups to promote their interests and people, whites need to do the same. Sure, they'll be push back, which is why you do it slowly. Also, the historic tide will turn. Many - though probably not most - whites will start to wake up to the reality that every group is looking out for themselves. They will long for the same thing.

    There are still millions of whites who don't want to go gentle into that good night.

    If the objective is for whites to start employing a Jewish strategy to further their own interests, they might start by getting rich white people to buy/fund as much media as they can – and refuse to tolerate journalists who write negative things about whites, or promote causes that are hostile to white interests.

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    Too much going on here. Activated Judaism is a totalitarianism escaping even the requirement to believe in God and enjoying a participation rate we will never match. Replacing the media is already happening. Enough to be sensitive to anti-white racism and withdraw from poisonous mainstream culture.
    >Tom Monaghan, Peter Thiel and Vincent Gallo will save us from media conformity by starting a TV station
    No. And if they did every cable monopoly would find a reason to not carry it.
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  36. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    Some people seem to have little regard for the work or the reputation other people, especially if these other people could pose a threat to their own. By thrashing the other guys, they protect themselves from persecution for wrongthink while at the same time getting rid of possible competitors for fame and funding.

    As long as Reich convinces himself that he’s doing God’s and it would be a net loss for humanity if his work was stopped by accusations of thoughtcrime, it gets easy to diss other people. For the record, I think his work is great, I don’t know him personally, and I know my assessment is not very generous; yet it makes sense.

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    (((Some people))) have traits that are consistent with Heartiste's ashkepathy.
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  37. I don’t get what this article is saying. Race is real but you’re only allowed to believe in it for things like prostate cancer? Any claims that an individual’s behavior is more likely to fit a stereotype is illegitimate?

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    I think this is like what Teilhard de Chardin was going through as a devout Catholic and an educated biologist. Pay attention to all the times he talks about "the science" or "the data" as opposed to a specific set of data.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Hey, you catch on fast!
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  38. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.
     

    as someone who writes OCR software… i welcome this idea.
    as someone who is not a culture warrior… eff-you.

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  39. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    What crimethinkers has Pinker trashed? No examples are coming to mind.

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    As I think about it, you're right, actually, about Pinker not going after crimethinkers by name.

    I was thinking I guess of some of the political figures he's attacked. He's called Steve Bannon a bigot, for example -- and I don't see how that's in any way fair to Bannon, whatever else might be his faults. But political figures are different beasts of course.

    So he certainly hasn't gone full Reich on crimethinkers.

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  40. OT Fraud is one thing but refusing to Play The Game is unforgivable

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/business/shkreli-holmes-fraud.html

    Her fraud was far greater than his, but you wouldn’t know it from the consequences they face.

    I was going to retype four paragraphs from near the end, laying out the egregiousness with specific amounts, but will instead just say we do not have a justice system in this country. If in trouble, forget everything you think you know about rights and law, and be sure to remember all the proper obeisances to your betters.

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  41. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Or if uh not.

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  42. @Anon
    If the objective is for whites to start employing a Jewish strategy to further their own interests, they might start by getting rich white people to buy/fund as much media as they can - and refuse to tolerate journalists who write negative things about whites, or promote causes that are hostile to white interests.

    Too much going on here. Activated Judaism is a totalitarianism escaping even the requirement to believe in God and enjoying a participation rate we will never match. Replacing the media is already happening. Enough to be sensitive to anti-white racism and withdraw from poisonous mainstream culture.
    >Tom Monaghan, Peter Thiel and Vincent Gallo will save us from media conformity by starting a TV station
    No. And if they did every cable monopoly would find a reason to not carry it.

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  43. @Juyf
    I don't get what this article is saying. Race is real but you're only allowed to believe in it for things like prostate cancer? Any claims that an individual's behavior is more likely to fit a stereotype is illegitimate?

    I think this is like what Teilhard de Chardin was going through as a devout Catholic and an educated biologist. Pay attention to all the times he talks about “the science” or “the data” as opposed to a specific set of data.

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  44. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    “Teach, are we going to be tested on this Yoda bullshit?”

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  45. @Jack Hanson
    If any of these race deniers needed an organ transplant, they'd become race believers in a hurry.

    Kidneys, yes. You usually get close relatives. But something like lungs are anonymously donated (after death of the donors). Different organs have different rejection rates, so interracial compatibility varies.

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  46. “They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.”

    Why is it that it’s almost exclusively Jews who use the word canard, and that when a Jew uses the word canard what he really means is an obvious truth that he wants censored because he thinks it’s bad for the Jews?

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  47. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    ”The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people,”

    …this exactly. you could understand and forgive them their ‘prudence’ if they didn’t go out of their way to malign others. Jordan Peterson is one of these people. Today he posted another weak Straw Man argument against ‘alt right conspiracy theorists’ who believe in Jewish conspiracies. Hilariously, to me alone it seems, he invoked not just higher-iq this time but group personality factors: namely that Jews on average tend to be more open to experience. As a personality researcher I can’t wait for Dr Peterson’s next Tweet where he mocks the alt right for not understanding that Jews are over represented in elite institutions because of higher IQ and greater openness to experience, greater disagreeableness, higher psychopathy, neuroticism, and narcissism. That’d show us. Being low in agreeableness is after all more highly correlated with economic success than high trait openness to experience.

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    The recent YT phenomenon of Peterson was very suspicious from the start. He even got access to the MSM. This does not happen by chance or popularity. It just does not work like that. Probably another bait and switch operation. Now you are witnessing the switch part. Just like Trump and Breitbart. Immigration and the wall was the bait and in the end you got Pompeo, Bolton and war with Iran.
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  48. Anyone else comment on the comments to the NYT’s piece? Pretty astounding, with the most egregious receiving the NYT’s coveted “New York Times Pick”. Comical.

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  49. To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I’m surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

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    HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I’m surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.
     
    You mistook guesses for phronesis. When you have to actually deal with them, and nobody you talk to believes that they are the way they are, you will become very interested in the differences between sub-Han barbarian One and sub-Han barbarian Two.
    , @J.Ross
    Copernican revolution? You want an angry mob to attack you, then get acceptance centuries later? I know that's an accepted term but it's still a clunker. We don't need a paradigm shift, we need freedom of speech.
    If there is to be a reformation, you are not its Luther.
    The trade deficits are completely artificial states of affairs, cf "Company Man." Agree to disassemble your industry while I use slave labor and dump, and you will see what IQ has to do with this.
    , @BB753
    Yan Shen, you write pretty well! Are you skewed verbal, which is unusual for an Asian?
    , @Ron Unz

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence!
     
    Well, I didn't have any problem publishing your rather long article, and I'm glad it drew quite a lot of commentary. But stop saying such silly things.

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I'm sure I've known about it for at least forty years, and can't really remember back to a time when I didn't make that assumption.

    You did collect together some nice charts and graphs, and I'm sure there were lots of website readers totally unfamiliar with HBD or IQ issues who found it very useful and exciting, but describing yourself as a "Copernican revolutionary" really is a bit much...
    , @Twodees Partain
    "Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below."


    So, adding your ideas to the cacophony that Trump is already subjected to by his advisors would help? Trump is already infected with a particular strain of AIDs as it is. It's called Hearing AIDs. You get it from listening to assholes.
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  50. Three denunciations!? How many did Comrade Gorbachev need to make?

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  51. I don’t get a Jewish conspiracy because the West looking like the Dominican Republic best case and Sudan worst case is not good for Jews. Refugees on the St Louis rather preferred Hitler and death to Trujillo and life.

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    Review the historical Jewish ability to foresee the consequences of their own actions. Compare the ability of modern security systems to contain a ditch-sewer ghetto riot far from glittering haciendas, to a flatter society where the goyim have some facility with political organizing. Brazil the model, guaranteed by drones and backed by crispr.
    Also, who said anything about conspiracy? Does conspiracy mean talking openly about it often and self-defeatingly over-using the legacy media to push it?
    , @Seamus Padraig
    You may or may not turn out to be right in the end, but history does lend some support, here and there, to the idea that Jews are better off in states that are not homogeneous, such as the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, versus states which are homogeneous, such as post-WWI Austria, Hungary and Romania.

    As far as Islam is concerned, historically the Jews got along just fine under the Arab Caliphate, and later the Ottoman Empire. Hence, the new orthodoxy among 'woke' history professors that the medieval Spanish emirates were some paradise on Earth, and that the Ottoman Empire, under which even many Arabs chafed, was some kind of enlightened despotism. So naturally they see trucking in lots of backward, religious Moslems as being 'good for the Jews'. And in the ME itself, who is Israel's closest ally? Why that would be the medieval despotism of Saudi Arabia! The Moslems that Israel can't do business with are either secular Arab nationalists, or else Shiite Persians, like the Iranians.
    , @Brutusale
    Gather a bunch of like-minded friends, grab your guns and head out to sack Maison Zuckerberg. Let us know how things turn out.
    , @MBlanc46
    I suspect that, to the extent that the Jews are behind the decline of the West, they don’t believe that what they’re doing is creating Third World hellholes. I imagine that they believe that creating paradise on Earth.
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  52. group personality factors: namely that Jews on average tend to be more open to experience

    Not open to alt-right experience though.

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  53. Dr. Watson will be 90 next month. It’s really bad behavior on Dr. Reich’s part to point the hate-filled mob at the elderly great man based on something the old man said in private in order to keep the mob from getting mad at Dr. Reich instead.

    No need to uh fear Steve. It appears that James Watson may be in China these days.

    https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2018/03/19/nobel-laureate-james-watson-lead-international-life-science-research-center-shenzhen

    James Watson, the Nobel laureate who co-discovered the structure of DNA, has thrown his support behind a life science research center being established by the Shenzhen city government. In fact, the 90-year-old scientist will work at the facility, according to Chinese media.

    Located in the Baguang area of Shenzhen, the research center will study cancers and genes and employ more than 1,000 scientists, including Watson, who will head the research teams. Information on the scope and length of his engagement was not available.

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  54. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    People can talk about bell curves and not leaping to conclusions about individuals, but the ultimate qualifier is when a guy punches right. It’s pretty disgusting to do when trying to promote yourself though.

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  55. If this is Reich, why bother to read him? Or is he just treading lightly for the benefit of NYT?

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    @Bardon Kaldian
    Uhhh...two casual remarks (actually, old stuff):

    a) which is the difference, percentage-wise, between males & females of the same species/race? If less than 10% (and it certainly is), do you claim that males & females are basically "the same"?

    b) are Jews "smarter"? I mean something more substantial than street-smart or similar. They have been over-represented in some areas in past 150 years, but their history is, if we take Davidic kingdom seriously, 3000 years long. During these 3000 years much more creative populations have flourished (Greeks 700 BC-200 BC, Florentine Italians 1300-1600, Germans 1750-1940, ..), while Jews remained a functioning & stubbornly ethno-centric, but nevertheless backward group (hence Voltaire's, Kant's & Goethe's sometimes harsh remarks). Those European groups created immensely more than Jews, even if we include Hebrew Bible as the masterpiece of Western literature.

    So, enough with Jewish "genius" adulation. To acknowledge one's ability one need not overblow it unrealistically..

    Bardon,

    I will bet my left nut either you or your wife are jewish.

    You show up in various forums on various topics to declare that ‘jews are boring’ so often that it’s become pretty obvious that you have a horse in the race. It’s tiresome.

    Jews may be boring to you, but they are central to a lot of the issues discussed on this and other sites you frequent. The discussion of jews and their role in Western societies is a massively important topic that is virtually invisible in most media outlets (which are oddly owned almost exclusively by jews!… booooring)

    I get the distinct feeling you are sitting in some government building in an industrial park in Tel Aviv? If jews are a pathetically narrow fixation here, please humor us just a little bit and maybe go comment on something else. There are so many other things to be concerned about in the world maybe you can find another thread dealing with a more exciting topic.

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  57. @Whiskey
    I don't get a Jewish conspiracy because the West looking like the Dominican Republic best case and Sudan worst case is not good for Jews. Refugees on the St Louis rather preferred Hitler and death to Trujillo and life.

    Review the historical Jewish ability to foresee the consequences of their own actions. Compare the ability of modern security systems to contain a ditch-sewer ghetto riot far from glittering haciendas, to a flatter society where the goyim have some facility with political organizing. Brazil the model, guaranteed by drones and backed by crispr.
    Also, who said anything about conspiracy? Does conspiracy mean talking openly about it often and self-defeatingly over-using the legacy media to push it?

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  58. @Yan Shen
    To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I'm surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I’m surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    You mistook guesses for phronesis. When you have to actually deal with them, and nobody you talk to believes that they are the way they are, you will become very interested in the differences between sub-Han barbarian One and sub-Han barbarian Two.

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  59. @Yan Shen
    To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I'm surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Copernican revolution? You want an angry mob to attack you, then get acceptance centuries later? I know that’s an accepted term but it’s still a clunker. We don’t need a paradigm shift, we need freedom of speech.
    If there is to be a reformation, you are not its Luther.
    The trade deficits are completely artificial states of affairs, cf “Company Man.” Agree to disassemble your industry while I use slave labor and dump, and you will see what IQ has to do with this.

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  60. @mantle of hate
    ''The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people,''

    ...this exactly. you could understand and forgive them their 'prudence' if they didn't go out of their way to malign others. Jordan Peterson is one of these people. Today he posted another weak Straw Man argument against 'alt right conspiracy theorists' who believe in Jewish conspiracies. Hilariously, to me alone it seems, he invoked not just higher-iq this time but group personality factors: namely that Jews on average tend to be more open to experience. As a personality researcher I can't wait for Dr Peterson's next Tweet where he mocks the alt right for not understanding that Jews are over represented in elite institutions because of higher IQ and greater openness to experience, greater disagreeableness, higher psychopathy, neuroticism, and narcissism. That'd show us. Being low in agreeableness is after all more highly correlated with economic success than high trait openness to experience.

    The recent YT phenomenon of Peterson was very suspicious from the start. He even got access to the MSM. This does not happen by chance or popularity. It just does not work like that. Probably another bait and switch operation. Now you are witnessing the switch part. Just like Trump and Breitbart. Immigration and the wall was the bait and in the end you got Pompeo, Bolton and war with Iran.

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  61. He grouped the human populations he analyzed into seven “races” — West Eurasians, Africans, East Asians, South Asians, Native Americans, Oceanians and Australians — and found that around 85 percent of variation in the protein types could be accounted for by variation within populations and “races,” and only 15 percent by variation across them.

    No.

    The statement is incoherent. It doesn’t mean anything.

    If you repeat it, you’re stupid or a liar.

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  62. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Sorry, but we've lost our country - though, importantly, not our people. The old United States is like a person with a terminal disease that hasn't seen the doctor yet, but, if you look hard, can see the symptoms.

    Only half of the children being born in the U.S. are of European ancestry. That number will fall due to birthrates and immigration. The game is over for what most of us consider to be the United States. It simply won't exist in the form that we understand. It's sad, but there it is.

    It's time to think about the future, about what comes next. To me, it's slowly laying the ground work for whites to act like Jews. Create a community within a society. Just as Jews as a variety of groups to promote their interests and people, whites need to do the same. Sure, they'll be push back, which is why you do it slowly. Also, the historic tide will turn. Many - though probably not most - whites will start to wake up to the reality that every group is looking out for themselves. They will long for the same thing.

    There are still millions of whites who don't want to go gentle into that good night.

    Whites already do create their own societies. Look at the demographic dot map of San Francisco. The central best real estate in the city is a liberal urban whiteopia. White kids playing in parks, white moms in coffee shops, nearly all white private schools. We let our property values discriminate so we don’t have to. Ignore the rhetoric, watch what they do… the liberal white elites at the top of the Democratic Party driving the transformation of this country want to live in a place like Switzerland, not Brazil.

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  63. Reich in NYT: “How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’”

    I saw “Reich”, and immediately thought, Robert.

    But then, the last word in the headline would be “‘Height’”, wouldn’t it?

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    I saw “Reich”, and immediately thought, Robert.

    But then, the last word in the headline would be “‘Height’”, wouldn’t it?
     
    Funniest joke ever on iSteve:

    When Robert Reich smokes pot, does he get high? Or just medium?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    I saw “Reich”, and immediately thought, Robert.

     

    I thought "Third"
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  64. @Bardon Kaldian
    Uhhh...two casual remarks (actually, old stuff):

    a) which is the difference, percentage-wise, between males & females of the same species/race? If less than 10% (and it certainly is), do you claim that males & females are basically "the same"?

    b) are Jews "smarter"? I mean something more substantial than street-smart or similar. They have been over-represented in some areas in past 150 years, but their history is, if we take Davidic kingdom seriously, 3000 years long. During these 3000 years much more creative populations have flourished (Greeks 700 BC-200 BC, Florentine Italians 1300-1600, Germans 1750-1940, ..), while Jews remained a functioning & stubbornly ethno-centric, but nevertheless backward group (hence Voltaire's, Kant's & Goethe's sometimes harsh remarks). Those European groups created immensely more than Jews, even if we include Hebrew Bible as the masterpiece of Western literature.

    So, enough with Jewish "genius" adulation. To acknowledge one's ability one need not overblow it unrealistically..

    Jews is general were never geniuses. Jewish genius was (and is) largely confined to Ashkenazi Jews. Keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews have more European than Middle Eastern genes. You then take that mostly European group and conduct one of the rare eugenic natural experiments in history on it for several hundred years by forcing that group to live by its wits and not off the land. You then release them from the ghettos in which they have been confined for centuries, and viola, you have Einstein, etc. Jewish genius is real. In America, where they are 2% of the population, 25% of any high IQ selected group (Nobel Prize winners, chess champions, billionaires, etc.) is Jewish.

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    Sephardic Jews are also half-European on their maternal side, with fewer accomplishments to show for.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Not quite an argument. Sephardi Jews had been much more creative than Ashkenazim (Maimonides, ben Gibriol, Spinoza, Joseph Karo, Disraeli,..) over centuries. Then, over-representation does not mean much. How many inhabitants, and more- literate inhabitants, had Florence from 1300 to 1500? And yet, it produced Dante, Boccaccio, Brunelleschi, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Machiavelli, Galileo, ..which is a string of hardly surpassed real geniuses, the summits in their respective areas from literature & political philosophy to visual arts, architecture & astronomy and physics.

    All Nobel prizes pale in comparison with this.

    What were then these Florentines? Victims of "super-genius gene" contagion?
    , @sarz
    A lot of claimed Jewish over-achievement is due to owning the engines of recognition, so probably due to other genes that have not been checked out yet. Like the propensity to lie. Some years ago if you googled Einstein plagiarist you got a load of evidence thst puts Einstein's reputation in tatters. There is a clear case of a Harvard Jew, Glauber, who got the basic physics wrong and then quietly stole the core ideas of an Indian physicist, George Sudarshan, and got the Nobel prize anyway. If a serious researcher looked for more in that vein, I am sure the acknowledged achievements of Jews would come down by a significant amount.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/12/6/scientists-question-nobel-a-group-of/
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  65. ….hoe agriculture was the norm, with the bulk of manual labour being performed by women.

    Well yeah…you tell the ho’s to get out there and work.

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  66. @istevefan
    Get out of my country!

    Get out of my country!

    Yeah, go to buggery.

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  67. @Clyde

    Harpending noted in his West Hunter blog with Greg Cochran that in typical African farming cultures, where weeding is done more with hoes than plows, black women tend to work harder than black men.
     
    Can this simply be because women's backs are more resilient for constant bending a bit up and down in hoeing, weeding and cultivating vegetables, tubers, etc.? I always hear about men with bad backs but rarely women.

    You hear that more in the West, where men perform the vast majority of back-breaking work. Another factor is that men are taller and hence less suited to a built environment favoring short people.

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  68. @Clyde

    Harpending noted in his West Hunter blog with Greg Cochran that in typical African farming cultures, where weeding is done more with hoes than plows, black women tend to work harder than black men.
     
    Can this simply be because women's backs are more resilient for constant bending a bit up and down in hoeing, weeding and cultivating vegetables, tubers, etc.? I always hear about men with bad backs but rarely women.

    A similar phenomenon occurs during the carrying of water on long distances: even regular size containers of water laid on the head might occasionally induce some headaches, to which men are much more prone than women.

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    men have more headaches? There is one sort called cluster headaches, very bad, which affect men. Migraines affect mostly women. I don't know which are more common, but I believe it's migraines. However, clusters are, on the average, worse. At least that's what one cluster-headache sufferer, an Irisman who participated in medical studies, told me.
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  69. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.
     

    This is why AI is being invented: Someone has to read all the stuff.

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  70. @J.Ross
    OT German minister: avoid getting stabbed by not letting people get close to you
    It's not clear if this man has ever visited a European city or understands that not everybody has a security detail. Note his use of the term sensitive probably means situationally aware, he's probably not blaming cultural insensitivity.
    https://www.infowars.com/german-minister-on-migrant-knife-crime-dont-let-people-get-close-to-you/

    A German Federal Ministry for Family Affairs study revealed that there was a correlation between a surge in violent crime and the arrival of migrants, with migrants being over represented in crime statistics.

    However, according to Herbert Reul, Minister of the Interior of North Rhine Westphali[a], who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party, the solution to migrant knife crime is simply for Germans to be more “sensitive” towards it.

    “Citizens will just have to be more sensitive,” said Reul, adding, “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”
     

    “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”

    Priceless advice.

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  71. @J.Ross
    OT German minister: avoid getting stabbed by not letting people get close to you
    It's not clear if this man has ever visited a European city or understands that not everybody has a security detail. Note his use of the term sensitive probably means situationally aware, he's probably not blaming cultural insensitivity.
    https://www.infowars.com/german-minister-on-migrant-knife-crime-dont-let-people-get-close-to-you/

    A German Federal Ministry for Family Affairs study revealed that there was a correlation between a surge in violent crime and the arrival of migrants, with migrants being over represented in crime statistics.

    However, according to Herbert Reul, Minister of the Interior of North Rhine Westphali[a], who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party, the solution to migrant knife crime is simply for Germans to be more “sensitive” towards it.

    “Citizens will just have to be more sensitive,” said Reul, adding, “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”
     

    “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”

    Excellent idea, is Turkey far enough?

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  72. Shouldn’t these kinds of articles be called, “How Political Correctness is Changing Our Understanding of Genetics”?

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  73. @Yan Shen
    To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I'm surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Yan Shen, you write pretty well! Are you skewed verbal, which is unusual for an Asian?

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  74. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    The thing I don’t get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don’t have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    Isn’t that what most commenters under this article are doing? Except Pinker, Reich et al. are using it as the spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down for their ‘progressive’ readers.

    I think ‘collaborator’ is a fair way to describe these academics’ behaviour. But while the term is an accusation, it is also an understandable excuse. Furthermore, to those who are carefully walking the fine line of collaboration, those who blunder about stomping both rightly and, importantly, wrongly, inevitably come across as deeply stupid and harmful.

    Personally, I think all should do a full Amy Wax. Those who are forcing collaborators to humiliate and prostrate themselves are full of hubris and can goaded into almost anything, no matter how obviously stupid.

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  75. @Jack D
    Jews is general were never geniuses. Jewish genius was (and is) largely confined to Ashkenazi Jews. Keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews have more European than Middle Eastern genes. You then take that mostly European group and conduct one of the rare eugenic natural experiments in history on it for several hundred years by forcing that group to live by its wits and not off the land. You then release them from the ghettos in which they have been confined for centuries, and viola, you have Einstein, etc. Jewish genius is real. In America, where they are 2% of the population, 25% of any high IQ selected group (Nobel Prize winners, chess champions, billionaires, etc.) is Jewish.

    Sephardic Jews are also half-European on their maternal side, with fewer accomplishments to show for.

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    Evidence in support of Jack D’s synopsis of Harpending & Cochran’s theory of eugenic selection of Ashkenazis. Sephardic and other Jewish populations also have the same incidence of inherited neurologic disorders as other non-Ashkenazi groups.
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  76. @Randal
    That's interesting, hearing Haidt describing JS Mill as his favourite philosopher and using Mill's arguments.


    The only cure Jonathan Haidt sees: You have to institutionalize disconformation, otherwise you just can’t be sure if an argument is true.
     
    This is basically Haidt constructing a truth-finding institution based on Mill's argument, best outlined as follows by Sean Gabb:


    Mill is at his very best in Chapter II, “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion”. This contains the best argument for freedom of speech that I have ever found. Briefly stated, it goes thus:

    We have no means of knowing with complete certainty the truth or falsity of any proposition. Therefore, to prohibit its being advanced is to make a wholly unfounded assumption of infallibility. Moreover, if a prohibition is made, one of two consequences will follow:

    First, if the proposition is true, humanity will lose whatever benefit might follow from an addition to the stock of existing truths;

    Second, if it is false, we shall lose what little assurance we can have of the truth of the other proposition denied by it. Establish even the plainest truth by law, and it will dwindle from the status of a truth acknowledged by reason to the status of a prejudice that can be embarrassed by the feeblest opposing show of reason.

    When putting this argument, I have sometimes been called a racist, and was once pelted with beer glasses. But I have yet to hear or read a reply to it that I feel worth considering.
     
    John Stuart Mill's Essay on Liberty, Reviewed by Sean Gabb

    Yeah Mill – or Kant, of course, or Habermas: The only reasonable constriction that sould be allowed in academia is the principle, that the better argument should be acknowledged, no matter what!

    And: I’m really glad, Haidt makes the connection to David Perkins’ findings about the tendency of high IQ people to behave – – tribal.

    (I’m a little bit astonished, afer having followed the discussion here on this blog for a while about – let’s say – the pretty obvious tribal nature of a lot of high IQ groups (there are quite a few pretty good examples, aren’t there?!) – that Perkins doesn’t get mentioned here much more often. That puzzles me.

    (It is very easy, to make perfect use of Perkins’ findings about the tribebability (if that’s not a term, you might understand what I want to say using it anyhow, I hope (which would mean, that it works like a term now, maybe – ok: – hopefully…) ok – : With Reich, you have a perfect example of an for sure, I’d think, at least: moderately high IQ – intellectual, who does argue in a tribal way - just as Perkins says, and is therefor, as Steve Sailer shows above: Indeed constricted, what the quality of is arguments is concerned.

    And not only that: He Reich’s example shows exactly what Haidt critizises: That the tribal nature of his arumentation makes him inclined to the PC-crowds attacks on the core (=the heart) of liberal dicourse: He indeed does attack disconformation in putting PC-arguments . a b o v e . arguments as such!

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  77. @Jack D
    Jews is general were never geniuses. Jewish genius was (and is) largely confined to Ashkenazi Jews. Keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews have more European than Middle Eastern genes. You then take that mostly European group and conduct one of the rare eugenic natural experiments in history on it for several hundred years by forcing that group to live by its wits and not off the land. You then release them from the ghettos in which they have been confined for centuries, and viola, you have Einstein, etc. Jewish genius is real. In America, where they are 2% of the population, 25% of any high IQ selected group (Nobel Prize winners, chess champions, billionaires, etc.) is Jewish.

    Not quite an argument. Sephardi Jews had been much more creative than Ashkenazim (Maimonides, ben Gibriol, Spinoza, Joseph Karo, Disraeli,..) over centuries. Then, over-representation does not mean much. How many inhabitants, and more- literate inhabitants, had Florence from 1300 to 1500? And yet, it produced Dante, Boccaccio, Brunelleschi, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Machiavelli, Galileo, ..which is a string of hardly surpassed real geniuses, the summits in their respective areas from literature & political philosophy to visual arts, architecture & astronomy and physics.

    All Nobel prizes pale in comparison with this.

    What were then these Florentines? Victims of “super-genius gene” contagion?

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    Do some googling and you will find that there was always a Jewish connection. Cervantes and Shakespeare also are Jewish in internet.

    Jewish and Renaissance tour of Florence, Italy
     
    Boccaccio - Wrote "A Jew Converts to Christianity"

    Dante - Headline: Dante's Debt to Judaism

    Leonardo - Headline: Leonardo da Vinci Artist, Humanist, Scientist, Jew

    Michelangelo - Headline: Book Review: Tracing Jewish influences on Michelangelo

    Machiavelli - Headline: What Machiavelli (A Secret Jew?) Learned From Moses?

    Galileo - Headline: Contacts between Galileo and Jacob Rosales (Manoel Bocarro Francês), a Seventeenth-Century Jewish Scientist
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  78. It’s not often one gets to see Vichy France get a mention these days, what with Godwin’s law reinging supreme and everyone accusing each other of being the-real-Nazi to prove their anti-Nazi philosemitic bona fides, so that was a refreshing change up.

    Thanks Mr. Cochran!

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    What a coincidence:

    https://twitter.com/JazzaBazza_/status/977739901926977536?s=19
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  79. Serious question for Steve or someone else:

    I am not a STEM guy, to put it mildly. I need a succinct explanation.

    I watch a lot of true crime shows. Routinely the medical examiners identify precisely every relevant trait (sex, race — macro and even micro) of an unidentifiable victim via DNA, bones, hair, teeth, etc.

    One striking example was a case in which a white American guy committed life insurance fraud by faking his death in Mexico. Unidentifiable body was found in a burned-out car. The ME or expert consultant determined that the shape of the TEETH were that of an elderly mestizo peasant. (The age and peasant part was determined of course by condition of teeth, not innate distinctive shape.)

    I say I found it striking, because the racial identification from the teeth was not macro – caucasian, black, Asian, Amerind – but micro — specifically mestizo.

    And this is the most ironclad evidence (incrim. and exculp.), everyone agrees, on both sides of criminal law case.

    Question is: How is this not all that I, as a layperson, need to know about whether “race” is “genetic”?

    That is, what would not only a Steve say What would people like this Reich guy say?

    That medical forensics is not science? That the criminal justice system is wrong?

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    Yep. Anyone who seed UK cop shows will hear repeated reference to race in the form of "IC1 male" or the like.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "That medical forensics is not science? That the criminal justice system is wrong?"

    No, it might say that such forensic applications of DNA evidence could be easily misstated in a prosecution and would be hard to refute, given the fact that jurors could be easily misled due to the intricacy of the science.

    The criminal justice system is very often wrong because it is dominated by prosecutors, many of whom are amoral shysters seeking to establish a record that might help them to gain an elected office.
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  80. Even in the face of direct evidence, the comments on that piece are still going “There is only one race, the human race!” or “Race is a social construct”. It’s like a mantra for the brainwashed.

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    I would say that you are brainwashed into thinking there are races.
    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed "higher" or "superior" human's preconceptions.
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  81. @BB753
    Sephardic Jews are also half-European on their maternal side, with fewer accomplishments to show for.

    > Sephardic Jews are also half-European on their maternal side, with fewer accomplishments

    Evidence in support of Jack D’s synopsis of Harpending & Cochran’s theory of eugenic selection of Ashkenazis. Sephardic and other Jewish populations also have the same incidence of inherited neurologic disorders as other non-Ashkenazi groups.

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  82. “Ashley Montagu” – the name conjures up an English gent in a tweed suit…

    Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu (June 28, 1905 – November 26, 1999), previously known as Israel Ehrenberg, was a British-American anthropologist who popularized the study of topics such as race and gender and their relation to politics and development.[1]

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    "previously known as" is good. Like it's some archaeological find. Unlike, "changed his name to sound more British than Yiddish." Nothing to see here.
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  83. @sleeping noticer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reich_(geneticist)

    "Reich grew up in Washington, D.C. His parents are novelist Tova Reich and Walter Reich, a professor at George Washington University, who served as the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum."

    What a coincidence.

    This guy Reich is really pathetic. Does slagging Watson make the sad news he delivers to the Proggs in this article more palatable? There must be a secret formula used by the Left used to present genetic fact to the NPR crowd, each truth followed by 2 paras of apologetic nonsense.

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  84. Short version of a long article:

    Murray Rothbard’s observation “all stereotypes are true” is, in fact, true.

    AND THAT IS INTOLERABLE.

    Wasn’t that so much easier than reading the whole article?

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    Yes, it was. Stereotypes and cliches share the same property, for the same reason.
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  85. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Newsflash: Asians good at math!

    Yan, researching the Asian skew toward math IQ relative to Europeans is an interesting topic. But your patting yourself on your back–i hope you haven’t wrenched your shoulder–when your deep “insight” is not just something every HBDer is aware of but a stereotype every high school student knows and literally a sitcom trope … that’s just embarrassing.

    Furthermore, you then go on to state stuff that is either stated very sloppily or just plain wrong:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use.

    Sorry but this is just ridiculous. While a lot of people have some noticeable cognitive skew, and there is definitely an East-Asian/European cognitive skew, “g” isn’t some joke. Most smart people are indeed smart. Their brains just overall function better–process faster, make more intricate connections, store more data. And the effect of this is huge–both individually and societally.

    The main reason Ghana and South Korea–small nations, US allies–had equivalent GDP/capita in 1960, but South Korea’s is now 20 times greater … Koreans are pretty smart, Ghanaians not so much. Ghanaians (and other Africans) could have a math/verbal skew like Koreans, but if the weren’t actually “smart”, it just wouldn’t matter. You need “smarts” to get it going.

    In fact, the “math/verbal split” isn’t even reason #2 for the rapid rise of East Asians nations. The second most important reason for East-Asia’s rise is superior personality traits: higher conscientiousness, lower time preference, higher agreeableness. Basically the “nose to grindstone”, save, work hard, do what your told (what is necessary). These traits are very important to organizing production that is competitive. (And traits noteably lacking in the non-East-Asian areas of the 3rd world.) This personality skew also pretty evident to most folks (“Asian grind”). Californians picked up on it when the Chinese showed up to work on the Central Pacific, and it led them to–wisely–seek to keep out the Chinese. But, Yan, you went review article length on East Asians, but somehow failed to mention critical personality differences.

    The correct “in conclusion” discussing Asian success would have the factors ranked
    1) High IQ — you have to have civilization level IQ to do civilization (some groups outright lack that)
    2) Personality traits — conscientiousness, low time-preference and at least a reasonable ability to cooperate are critical to success in industrial civilization which involves organizing production among large groups, producing to specific standards of quality and saving enough capital to reinvest.
    3) Math/verbal split — math IQ being (increasingly) critical to engineering products that are competitve at the world standard and improving or innovating to stay ahead.

    So yes, East-Asians math/verbal skew relative to Europeans is definitely relevant. But that whole “relative to Europeans” should be a big hint. It’s a 2nd order effect, very important when comparing East Asians to Europeans, another relatively high-IQ civilized race. But relevant after one has already taken into account the larger 1st order effect of “g” (or just “smarts”) which explains most the “global” picture pretty well.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac0JMDam6tM
    , @J.Ross
    I think I've found your problem, it's one that I was stuck in too: you trying to get Yan Shen to see his mistake using words.
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  86. Just a sidebar comment that, in spite of a lot of hype to the contrary, Google’s results to searches are FAR more accurate than Bing’s. I searched for “West Hunter blog” on Bing, and I got everything except the blog I was looking for in the results. The top result was Jayman’s Blog, which led to a comment on Cochran’s blog. On Google, however, the West Hunter blog was the top result.

    I recently upgraded my computer, and it came loaded with Microsoft Edge and Bing as the default search engine. I constantly compare results, and Google returns results much more in line with what I’m looking for the majority of the time.

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  87. @AndrewR
    I'm guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person.

    Aka “European Style Socialist.”

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  88. @larry lurker
    What crimethinkers has Pinker trashed? No examples are coming to mind.

    As I think about it, you’re right, actually, about Pinker not going after crimethinkers by name.

    I was thinking I guess of some of the political figures he’s attacked. He’s called Steve Bannon a bigot, for example — and I don’t see how that’s in any way fair to Bannon, whatever else might be his faults. But political figures are different beasts of course.

    So he certainly hasn’t gone full Reich on crimethinkers.

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    This reminds me: we would all do well to demand that the future of civilization be settled by a ritual battle of the Steves.
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  89. @Forbes
    Winston Smith's duties have been updated for the 21st century. Excluding facts inconvenient to the official narrative is not sufficiently expansive to properly retcon history. Some new records must be created so as to be included in the official narrative.

    We, too, are part of the problem.
     
    A nice touch, there.

    Winston Smith’s duties have been updated for the 21st century. Excluding facts inconvenient to the official narrative is not sufficiently expansive to properly retcon history. Some new records must be created so as to be included in the official narrative.

    We need a new, up-to-date dystopian novel called 2034.

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  90. Fake news. Even when the left is forced to admit there are biological differences in IQ, it will still be white peoples’ fault for failing to put blacks in environments with the same gene selection pressures as Asians and Jews.

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  91. @Jack Hanson
    If any of these race deniers needed an organ transplant, they'd become race believers in a hurry.

    If any of these race deniers needed an organ transplant, they’d become race believers in a hurry.

    Well, I can think of one organ that might be the exception …

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  92. @Bardon Kaldian
    Uhhh...two casual remarks (actually, old stuff):

    a) which is the difference, percentage-wise, between males & females of the same species/race? If less than 10% (and it certainly is), do you claim that males & females are basically "the same"?

    b) are Jews "smarter"? I mean something more substantial than street-smart or similar. They have been over-represented in some areas in past 150 years, but their history is, if we take Davidic kingdom seriously, 3000 years long. During these 3000 years much more creative populations have flourished (Greeks 700 BC-200 BC, Florentine Italians 1300-1600, Germans 1750-1940, ..), while Jews remained a functioning & stubbornly ethno-centric, but nevertheless backward group (hence Voltaire's, Kant's & Goethe's sometimes harsh remarks). Those European groups created immensely more than Jews, even if we include Hebrew Bible as the masterpiece of Western literature.

    So, enough with Jewish "genius" adulation. To acknowledge one's ability one need not overblow it unrealistically..

    I agree. It’s one reason I keep warning the alt-right to be on guard against Jewish interests which might try and co-opt HBD theory to advance their own agenda. They’ll try and get us all to agree that they’re a bunch of ‘geniuses’ who should be deferred to and obeyed. The other ones to watch out for who may be trying to infiltrate the alt-right (now that they’re no longer welcome on the left) are the Zionists. Beware! You have been warned …

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  93. Humans and chimpanzees are 99% the same based on DNA and it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn’t already happen) were it seriously attempted. Despite this shared genetic component there is no real overlap in the bell curves between ape and human intelligence. While apes might not be physiologically capable of ‘speech’ they might have, over the eons, developed human like manifestations of intelligence such as domesticating dogs or monkeys, making rope or other adaptations to the environment to aid in their survival were they mentally capable of it.

    The fact seems to be that apes just do not possess in their species the mental horsepower to think at that level. Orcas OTOH do seem to possess that sort of intelligence as both choice of prey and techniques for hunting it are pod ( family) specific. Their communication skills also seem to be an order above the ape. Obviously humans do not share as much DNA with orcas as we do with apes so shared DNA may not be a good proxy for intelligence, cooperative behavior and communication skills.

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    My theory is most chimps don't feel much urge to teach other chimps (we're chimps, not chumps), whereas humans are more likely to want to teach what they've learned to other humans.
    , @Anonymous

    it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn’t already happen) were it seriously attempted
     
    We have one fewer chromosome pair and that presents pretty formidable barrier to hybridization.
    , @MEH 0910

    It’s Time to Make Human-Chimp Hybrids
    By David P. Barash
    March 8, 2018

    It is a bit of a stretch, but by no means impossible or even unlikely that a hybrid or a chimera combining a human being and a chimpanzee could be produced in a laboratory. After all, human and chimp (or bonobo) share, by most estimates, roughly 99 percent of their nuclear DNA. Granted this 1 percent difference presumably involves some key alleles, the new gene-editing tool CRISPR offers the prospect (for some, the nightmare) of adding and deleting targeted genes as desired. As a result, it is not unreasonable to foresee the possibility—eventually, perhaps, the likelihood—of producing “humanzees” or “chimphumans.” Such an individual would not be an exact equal-parts-of-each combination, but would be neither human nor chimp: rather, something in between.

    If that prospect isn’t shocking enough, here is an even more controversial suggestion: Doing so would be a terrific idea.

     

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  94. @sleeping noticer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reich_(geneticist)

    "Reich grew up in Washington, D.C. His parents are novelist Tova Reich and Walter Reich, a professor at George Washington University, who served as the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum."

    What a coincidence.

    Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu (June 28, 1905 – November 26, 1999), previously known as Israel Ehrenberg, was a British-American anthropologist who popularized the study of topics such as race and gender and their relation to politics and development.[1] He was the rapporteur, in 1950, for the UNESCO statement The Race Question. As a young man he changed his name from Ehrenberg to “Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu”. After relocating to the United States he used the name “Ashley Montagu”. Montagu, who became a naturalized American citizen in 1940, taught and lectured at Harvard, Princeton, Rutgers, the University of California, Santa Barbara, and New York University.[2] He authored over sixty books throughout this lifetime. In 1995, the American Humanist Association named him the Humanist of the Year.

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  95. Reich fears future attacks by the social justice brigade and he is trying to forestall the onslaught by establishing good guy credentials. He expresses fear that lefties’ determination to deny findings about group differences will render them unable to create srguments when they can no longer deny such anticipated findings, but he doesn’t suggest what sort of arguments he or they might devise. He claims average group differences are small, but that is false (although observed differences are not known to be caused by genetic differences), and this ignores the effect of differences in averages on the tails of distributions. Editorial is pretty much muddled virtue signalling. Suggest you speculate about possible distributional differences in aptitude and personality profiles between pygmies and bushmen, for example.

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  96. @Juyf
    I don't get what this article is saying. Race is real but you're only allowed to believe in it for things like prostate cancer? Any claims that an individual's behavior is more likely to fit a stereotype is illegitimate?

    Hey, you catch on fast!

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  97. @AnotherDad
    Newsflash: Asians good at math!

    Yan, researching the Asian skew toward math IQ relative to Europeans is an interesting topic. But your patting yourself on your back--i hope you haven't wrenched your shoulder--when your deep "insight" is not just something every HBDer is aware of but a stereotype every high school student knows and literally a sitcom trope ... that's just embarrassing.

    Furthermore, you then go on to state stuff that is either stated very sloppily or just plain wrong:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use.
     
    Sorry but this is just ridiculous. While a lot of people have some noticeable cognitive skew, and there is definitely an East-Asian/European cognitive skew, "g" isn't some joke. Most smart people are indeed smart. Their brains just overall function better--process faster, make more intricate connections, store more data. And the effect of this is huge--both individually and societally.

    The main reason Ghana and South Korea--small nations, US allies--had equivalent GDP/capita in 1960, but South Korea's is now 20 times greater ... Koreans are pretty smart, Ghanaians not so much. Ghanaians (and other Africans) could have a math/verbal skew like Koreans, but if the weren't actually "smart", it just wouldn't matter. You need "smarts" to get it going.

    In fact, the "math/verbal split" isn't even reason #2 for the rapid rise of East Asians nations. The second most important reason for East-Asia's rise is superior personality traits: higher conscientiousness, lower time preference, higher agreeableness. Basically the "nose to grindstone", save, work hard, do what your told (what is necessary). These traits are very important to organizing production that is competitive. (And traits noteably lacking in the non-East-Asian areas of the 3rd world.) This personality skew also pretty evident to most folks ("Asian grind"). Californians picked up on it when the Chinese showed up to work on the Central Pacific, and it led them to--wisely--seek to keep out the Chinese. But, Yan, you went review article length on East Asians, but somehow failed to mention critical personality differences.

    The correct "in conclusion" discussing Asian success would have the factors ranked
    1) High IQ -- you have to have civilization level IQ to do civilization (some groups outright lack that)
    2) Personality traits -- conscientiousness, low time-preference and at least a reasonable ability to cooperate are critical to success in industrial civilization which involves organizing production among large groups, producing to specific standards of quality and saving enough capital to reinvest.
    3) Math/verbal split -- math IQ being (increasingly) critical to engineering products that are competitve at the world standard and improving or innovating to stay ahead.

    So yes, East-Asians math/verbal skew relative to Europeans is definitely relevant. But that whole "relative to Europeans" should be a big hint. It's a 2nd order effect, very important when comparing East Asians to Europeans, another relatively high-IQ civilized race. But relevant after one has already taken into account the larger 1st order effect of "g" (or just "smarts") which explains most the "global" picture pretty well.

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  98. @Whiskey
    I don't get a Jewish conspiracy because the West looking like the Dominican Republic best case and Sudan worst case is not good for Jews. Refugees on the St Louis rather preferred Hitler and death to Trujillo and life.

    You may or may not turn out to be right in the end, but history does lend some support, here and there, to the idea that Jews are better off in states that are not homogeneous, such as the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, versus states which are homogeneous, such as post-WWI Austria, Hungary and Romania.

    As far as Islam is concerned, historically the Jews got along just fine under the Arab Caliphate, and later the Ottoman Empire. Hence, the new orthodoxy among ‘woke’ history professors that the medieval Spanish emirates were some paradise on Earth, and that the Ottoman Empire, under which even many Arabs chafed, was some kind of enlightened despotism. So naturally they see trucking in lots of backward, religious Moslems as being ‘good for the Jews’. And in the ME itself, who is Israel’s closest ally? Why that would be the medieval despotism of Saudi Arabia! The Moslems that Israel can’t do business with are either secular Arab nationalists, or else Shiite Persians, like the Iranians.

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  99. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “Reich is in a very odd place.”

    He sure is. He doesn’t want to play Galileo and have to whisper the equivalent of “but it still moves.”

    Don’t bite the hand that feeds you–or, “Don’t ever take sides against The Family again. Ever!”

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  100. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, you're right, actually, about Pinker not going after crimethinkers by name.

    I was thinking I guess of some of the political figures he's attacked. He's called Steve Bannon a bigot, for example -- and I don't see how that's in any way fair to Bannon, whatever else might be his faults. But political figures are different beasts of course.

    So he certainly hasn't gone full Reich on crimethinkers.

    This reminds me: we would all do well to demand that the future of civilization be settled by a ritual battle of the Steves.

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  101. That last passage from Cochran is devastating.

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  102. Similarly, most of the genetic and phenotypic variations among members of an extended family are among individuals as well, but that doesn’t mean Extended Family Does Not Exist.

    Sex seems to apply here, too. The genetic difference between men and women is quantitatively very small, so that must mean that Sex Does Not Exist.

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  103. jb says:

    I started out reading Reich’s piece with considerable trepidation — I was afraid he was going to go all Cavalli-Sforza and Craig Venter on us, and find a way to use his work to reinforce the “no such thing as race” orthodoxy. But by the time I reached the end I was thrilled! I think Reich went about as far as it was possible for him to go by bluntly asserting the “likelihood” that “traits will differ on average across human populations.”

    That’s really all the genetic evidence at this point supports anyway. Other sorts of evidence go further, but Reich would have undercut himself by going into twin studies and IQ research, which are not his field. And I have no problem with his going after people like Watson, Harpending, and Wade (whose book even I had issues with), if that’s what he needs to do to cover his ass. Anti-racist rhetoric is pervasive like the air we breathe, and a little more will have no impact on anything. But a direct assault on liberal racial orthodoxy by a highly respected scientist in the pages of the New York Times is something that actually might have an impact, and as such it is a huge win!

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  104. Sweden has decided that genes do not matter. You can turn boys into girls, girls into boys. It would be quite funny if it were not reality.

    In Sweden’s Preschools, Boys Learn to Dance and Girls Learn to Yell

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/24/world/europe/sweden-gender-neutral-preschools.html

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  105. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: not the Onion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/22/periodicals-are-reassessing-their-pasts-its-time-for-publishers-to-do-the-same/

    As in the case of National Geographic and the New York Times, righting the book industry’s discriminatory wrongs will take more than piecemeal apologies on behalf of individual presses. The Association of American Publishers ought to insist on across-the-board scrutiny of the big publishers’ pasts. It must establish that sensitivity readers, hired to identify offensive cliches, work to respond to the racist legacy and are not “diversity hires” or, worse, censors.

    To recapture the voices of the unpublished (and integrate them into the history of American literature), publishers must fund the study and digitization of corporate records via the archives and foundations that would safeguard the researchers’ independence. Archives must collaborate on collating the records into more accessible and searchable formats. A digital database capturing the rejected authors’ names and information through optical character recognition software is an important long-term goal. Posthumous publication of at least some minority writers rejected without a reason would be desirable whenever possible.

    In addition, white readers must give their book-buying habits a cold, hard look. After all, it is this audience’s tastes that the editors struggled to anticipate. We, too, are part of the problem.
     

    “Part of the problem?”

    I thought we were the Problem.

    What’s next? Stop publishing the white authors who were published over the rejected black authors? That’s already happening.

    Anyway, like television, most fiction is published for and by woke women now, so there shouldn’t be a Problem going forward.

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    Like television, most fiction is published for and by woke women now, so there shouldn’t be a Problem going forward.
     
    Next you'll be insisting that the deaths of the very last victim and/or jailer of the Holocaust will close the book at last on the caterwauling-for-profit it had engendered all these years.

    So long as "wypipo" - and their money - exist, even in rapidly-diminishing numbers, there will always always always be a Problem going forward.
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  106. Okay, but now it’s time for one set of Russians in a sleigh pursued by hungry wolves across the tundra to throw another set of Russians out of the sleigh

    I think it is more the case of the Jewish scientist throwing the gentile scientists to the wolves.

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  107. Clearly Steve’s best post (or at least for the quarter) of/for 2018. Helping to dissect the complex for laypersons isn’t always an easy task, but well worth it in the long run. Why do so many intellectuals, scientists, and purveyors of established opinion within the scientific community continue to deny the reality of racial differences among human populations? The answers don’t always reside in long winded peer reviewed scientific papers/NYT editorials/etc.; they do tend to lie in posts such as these.

    Thanks for the work, Steve. And keep on noticing.

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  108. A classic example often cited is the inconsistent definition of “black.” In the United States, historically, a person is “black” if he has any sub-Saharan African ancestry; in Brazil, a person is not “black” if he is known to have any European ancestry. If “black” refers to different people in different contexts, how can there be any genetic basis to it?”

    No, small amounts of sub-Saharan African ancestry in otherwise white people did NOT doom them to “black” status. If that were true, nearly every Latino and Arab-American in the nation would be “black.” The fact is that, if you identified as white and conducted yourself as white, then you were accepted as white. The nonsense that you must be 100% accepted by ALL whites in order to be white is belied by the frequent “racial” rejection of officially white but suspiciously dark minorities like Italians, Armenians, Latinos, Arabs. etc. I’ve noticed that the “one-drop rule,” nowadays, is promoted mainly by middle-class and professional “blacks” and white liberals who consider themselves their allies.

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  109. @unit472
    Humans and chimpanzees are 99% the same based on DNA and it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn't already happen) were it seriously attempted. Despite this shared genetic component there is no real overlap in the bell curves between ape and human intelligence. While apes might not be physiologically capable of 'speech' they might have, over the eons, developed human like manifestations of intelligence such as domesticating dogs or monkeys, making rope or other adaptations to the environment to aid in their survival were they mentally capable of it.

    The fact seems to be that apes just do not possess in their species the mental horsepower to think at that level. Orcas OTOH do seem to possess that sort of intelligence as both choice of prey and techniques for hunting it are pod ( family) specific. Their communication skills also seem to be an order above the ape. Obviously humans do not share as much DNA with orcas as we do with apes so shared DNA may not be a good proxy for intelligence, cooperative behavior and communication skills.

    My theory is most chimps don’t feel much urge to teach other chimps (we’re chimps, not chumps), whereas humans are more likely to want to teach what they’ve learned to other humans.

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    My theory is most chimps don’t feel much urge to teach other chimps (we’re chimps, not chumps), whereas humans are more likely to want to teach what they’ve learned to other humans.
     
    Specieist!
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  110. I agree, but would add his articles on Raj Chetty. Steve’s style is very concise and dense (and ironic/sarcastic at times) – and (therefor?) very impressive. A joy to read, really! I recommendate his work in the German public quite regularly. And on US blogs, too.

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  111. Humans not so much, but for dogs it’s 100% it’s genetic.

    From the New York Times Barry Diller interview posted on Drudge.

    “His dogs are jumping up on our chairs. He has three Jack Russell terriers cloned from his late, beloved dog Shannon, a Gaelic orphan he found wandering many years ago on a back road in Ireland.
    For about $100,000, a South Korean firm “reincarnated” Shannon in three pups: Tess, short for test tube, and DiNA, a play on DNA, who live in Beverly Hills; and Evita, who lives in Cloudwalk, the Connecticut home of Mr. Diller and Ms. von Furstenberg.
    “These dogs, they’re the soul of Shannon,” he says. “Diane was horrified that I was doing this but she’s switched now to say, ‘Thank God you did.’”
    Mr. Diller has started a trend in Hollywood, inspiring his friend Barbra Streisand, desolate over the loss of her Coton de Tulear, Samantha, to clone her.”

    Just what we need, even more Irish! (Just a little kidding, even though Irish tend to be open border, as least far as the USA is concerned, fanatics.)

    I guess there’s hope, if you want to call it that. Barry’s wife went from being horrified to thanking God!

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  112. @Whiskey
    I don't get a Jewish conspiracy because the West looking like the Dominican Republic best case and Sudan worst case is not good for Jews. Refugees on the St Louis rather preferred Hitler and death to Trujillo and life.

    Gather a bunch of like-minded friends, grab your guns and head out to sack Maison Zuckerberg. Let us know how things turn out.

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  113. @unit472
    Humans and chimpanzees are 99% the same based on DNA and it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn't already happen) were it seriously attempted. Despite this shared genetic component there is no real overlap in the bell curves between ape and human intelligence. While apes might not be physiologically capable of 'speech' they might have, over the eons, developed human like manifestations of intelligence such as domesticating dogs or monkeys, making rope or other adaptations to the environment to aid in their survival were they mentally capable of it.

    The fact seems to be that apes just do not possess in their species the mental horsepower to think at that level. Orcas OTOH do seem to possess that sort of intelligence as both choice of prey and techniques for hunting it are pod ( family) specific. Their communication skills also seem to be an order above the ape. Obviously humans do not share as much DNA with orcas as we do with apes so shared DNA may not be a good proxy for intelligence, cooperative behavior and communication skills.

    it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn’t already happen) were it seriously attempted

    We have one fewer chromosome pair and that presents pretty formidable barrier to hybridization.

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  114. @AnotherDad
    Newsflash: Asians good at math!

    Yan, researching the Asian skew toward math IQ relative to Europeans is an interesting topic. But your patting yourself on your back--i hope you haven't wrenched your shoulder--when your deep "insight" is not just something every HBDer is aware of but a stereotype every high school student knows and literally a sitcom trope ... that's just embarrassing.

    Furthermore, you then go on to state stuff that is either stated very sloppily or just plain wrong:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use.
     
    Sorry but this is just ridiculous. While a lot of people have some noticeable cognitive skew, and there is definitely an East-Asian/European cognitive skew, "g" isn't some joke. Most smart people are indeed smart. Their brains just overall function better--process faster, make more intricate connections, store more data. And the effect of this is huge--both individually and societally.

    The main reason Ghana and South Korea--small nations, US allies--had equivalent GDP/capita in 1960, but South Korea's is now 20 times greater ... Koreans are pretty smart, Ghanaians not so much. Ghanaians (and other Africans) could have a math/verbal skew like Koreans, but if the weren't actually "smart", it just wouldn't matter. You need "smarts" to get it going.

    In fact, the "math/verbal split" isn't even reason #2 for the rapid rise of East Asians nations. The second most important reason for East-Asia's rise is superior personality traits: higher conscientiousness, lower time preference, higher agreeableness. Basically the "nose to grindstone", save, work hard, do what your told (what is necessary). These traits are very important to organizing production that is competitive. (And traits noteably lacking in the non-East-Asian areas of the 3rd world.) This personality skew also pretty evident to most folks ("Asian grind"). Californians picked up on it when the Chinese showed up to work on the Central Pacific, and it led them to--wisely--seek to keep out the Chinese. But, Yan, you went review article length on East Asians, but somehow failed to mention critical personality differences.

    The correct "in conclusion" discussing Asian success would have the factors ranked
    1) High IQ -- you have to have civilization level IQ to do civilization (some groups outright lack that)
    2) Personality traits -- conscientiousness, low time-preference and at least a reasonable ability to cooperate are critical to success in industrial civilization which involves organizing production among large groups, producing to specific standards of quality and saving enough capital to reinvest.
    3) Math/verbal split -- math IQ being (increasingly) critical to engineering products that are competitve at the world standard and improving or innovating to stay ahead.

    So yes, East-Asians math/verbal skew relative to Europeans is definitely relevant. But that whole "relative to Europeans" should be a big hint. It's a 2nd order effect, very important when comparing East Asians to Europeans, another relatively high-IQ civilized race. But relevant after one has already taken into account the larger 1st order effect of "g" (or just "smarts") which explains most the "global" picture pretty well.

    I think I’ve found your problem, it’s one that I was stuck in too: you trying to get Yan Shen to see his mistake using words.

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    Uh no, there's no mistake in my argument. What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I'm not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it's more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson. IQ/g is useful for highlighting that on average people with IQs +1 SD above the mean are more successful in life than people with IQs of -1 SD below the mean.

    Where the usefulness of general intelligence or overall IQ breaks down, in my opinion, is in the analysis of tail end talent. As evidenced by phenomenon such as the math/verbal split, Spear's Law of Diminishing Returns, historical lopsided geniuses, etc. I suspect that specific cognitive sub-factors are more important for explaining the sorts of accomplishments HBD is really interested in.

    In particular, the math/verbal split surely plays a non-trivial and possibly significant role in explaining the modern rise of China. Understanding it may allow us to better understand the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century.
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  115. Being a collabo is not as fun as it looks. But most Frenchmen were collabos, to some extent

    Okay, but why does the collabo have to go out and spout collabo nonsense? He can’t keep his mouth shut and his opinions out of the NYTimes? I don’t buy it.

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  116. We evaluate the hypothesis that the high intelligence test scores observed in the Ashkenazi Jewish population are a consequence of their occupation of a social niche over the last millennium that selected strongly for IQ.

    Assumes facts not in evidence. You might not know it from listening to people talk, but there are no credible IQ studies of the “Ashkenazi Jewish population”. (Which in any case is a group of people which is exceptionally poorly defined)

    What evidence does exists suggests that Ashkenazi Jews have similar IQ’s to other comparable subgroups of well-educated and affluent white people.

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  117. @candid_observer
    The thing I don't get about Reich and, for that matter, Steven Pinker, is why they go out of their way to trash the reputations of people whom they know perfectly well are making sensible scientific claims or speculation. They don't have to lie or dissimulate or smear others to make their points. They could very easily just avoid bringing up these people, sparing both the reputation of these others, and their own reputation when the truth finally outs.

    But no, they have to act like cowards and hypocrites. They aren't finished with their work until they do.

    Here’s the answer:

    “Reich grew up in Washington, D.C. His parents are novelist Tova Reich and Walter Reich, a professor at George Washington University, who served as the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.”

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  118. @J.Ross
    I think I've found your problem, it's one that I was stuck in too: you trying to get Yan Shen to see his mistake using words.

    Uh no, there’s no mistake in my argument. What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson. IQ/g is useful for highlighting that on average people with IQs +1 SD above the mean are more successful in life than people with IQs of -1 SD below the mean.

    Where the usefulness of general intelligence or overall IQ breaks down, in my opinion, is in the analysis of tail end talent. As evidenced by phenomenon such as the math/verbal split, Spear’s Law of Diminishing Returns, historical lopsided geniuses, etc. I suspect that specific cognitive sub-factors are more important for explaining the sorts of accomplishments HBD is really interested in.

    In particular, the math/verbal split surely plays a non-trivial and possibly significant role in explaining the modern rise of China. Understanding it may allow us to better understand the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century.

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    What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson.
     
    I didn't fail to comprehend it. In fact, i specifically gave you the out of "very sloppily stated".

    Again, here's what you actually wrote for your conclusion:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use. ...
     
    This is just wrong.

    The first thing i want to know--the single most useful piece of data--about a person or nation\race\civilization to do some sort of sociological analysis would be essentiallly "smarts"--call it "g".

    Then their spectrum of personality traits.

    Then we can talk about their math/verbal split.

    And doing any sort of credible analysis of the East Asian catchup, you'd get the same rank order.
    1) High IQ
    2) Conscientious, hard working, able to save/invest.
    3) Math/spatial

    Asia didn't actually liftoff with any kind of scientific breakthroughs, but because they were able to organize to do industrial production. (Not even stunning quality at first, but able to organize and produce more cheaply.)

    ~~

    I agree that for outliers--individuals--there's way more than "g" involved, especially in these interesting cases.

    Also agree that for the future the math skew of East Asia is going to be significant in helping it rise relative to Europe. (However, as i pointed out in my response to your original article and even bigger reason will be because of Europeans committing suicide. Easy to beat someone who is beating themselves.)

    However, neither of these is your grand claim. You wrote your math/verbal skew is the most important piece of HBD conclusion not me. And it's wrong. If you can't understand what you wrote or that it's wrong or overstated (i offered the "very poorly stated" out) ... that's your problem.
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  119. @J.Ross
    OT German minister: avoid getting stabbed by not letting people get close to you
    It's not clear if this man has ever visited a European city or understands that not everybody has a security detail. Note his use of the term sensitive probably means situationally aware, he's probably not blaming cultural insensitivity.
    https://www.infowars.com/german-minister-on-migrant-knife-crime-dont-let-people-get-close-to-you/

    A German Federal Ministry for Family Affairs study revealed that there was a correlation between a surge in violent crime and the arrival of migrants, with migrants being over represented in crime statistics.

    However, according to Herbert Reul, Minister of the Interior of North Rhine Westphali[a], who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party, the solution to migrant knife crime is simply for Germans to be more “sensitive” towards it.

    “Citizens will just have to be more sensitive,” said Reul, adding, “You don’t necessarily have to let people get close to you.”
     

    Baron Harkonnen speaks!

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    "But, Baron. The natives are restless!"
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  120. Meanwhile, SCIENCE:

    Brainless Embryos Suggest Bioelectricity Guides Growth

    The extreme form of this view is “to explain everything by saying ‘it is in the genes,’ or DNA, and this trend has been reinforced by the increasingly powerful and affordable DNA sequencing technologies,” Huang said. “But we need to zoom out: Before molecular biology imposed our myopic tunnel vision, biologists were much more open to organism-level principles.”

    The tide now seems to be turning, according to Herrera-Rincon and others. “It’s too simplistic to consider the genome as the only source of biological information,” she said. Researchers continue to study morphogens as a source of developmental information in the nervous system, for example. Last November, Levin and Chris Fields, an independent scientist who works in the area where biology, physics and computing overlap, published a paper arguing that cells’ cytoplasm, cytoskeleton and both internal and external membranes also encode important patterning data — and serve as systems of inheritance alongside DNA.

    And, crucially, bioelectricity has made a comeback as well. In the 1980s and ’90s, Nuccitelli, along with the late Lionel Jaffe at the Marine Biological Laboratory, Colin McCaig at the University of Aberdeen, and others, used applied electric fields to show that many cells are sensitive to bioelectric signals and that electricity can induce limb regeneration in nonregenerative species.

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  121. @Anon
    Baron Harkonnen speaks!

    “But, Baron. The natives are restless!”

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  122. @sam sung
    "Ashley Montagu" - the name conjures up an English gent in a tweed suit...

    Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu (June 28, 1905 – November 26, 1999), previously known as Israel Ehrenberg, was a British-American anthropologist who popularized the study of topics such as race and gender and their relation to politics and development.[1]

    “previously known as” is good. Like it’s some archaeological find. Unlike, “changed his name to sound more British than Yiddish.” Nothing to see here.

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    I suspect some kind of humour was involved in choosing such an aristocratic name. Many possibilies come to mind. Delight at telling his Central European relatives who were restricted by law in the names they could adopt (hence Goldberg, Silberstein, Fink [el] [stein], Adler etc) of the floridly English aristocratic name he had adopted? Self mockery that his big sister and best mate might chuckle at? Note the practical change when he was more mature and lived in America. But it does suggest somewhat a liking for boring it up the established - people, customs, ideas...
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  123. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    The comments on the Reich piece in the Times are recommended. They show the whole spectrum of beliefs in this field, especially among the vaguely informed denialist crowd. If you needed to prepare for a debate, this would be the place to start to make a list of talking points that needed to be rebutted.

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  124. @Reg Cæsar


    Reich in NYT: "How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’"

     
    I saw "Reich", and immediately thought, Robert.

    But then, the last word in the headline would be "'Height'", wouldn't it?

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Robert+Reich+Inequality+Premieres+NYC+RWDatEqBdS-l.jpg

    I saw “Reich”, and immediately thought, Robert.

    But then, the last word in the headline would be “‘Height’”, wouldn’t it?

    Funniest joke ever on iSteve:

    When Robert Reich smokes pot, does he get high? Or just medium?

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  125. @Steve Sailer
    My theory is most chimps don't feel much urge to teach other chimps (we're chimps, not chumps), whereas humans are more likely to want to teach what they've learned to other humans.

    My theory is most chimps don’t feel much urge to teach other chimps (we’re chimps, not chumps), whereas humans are more likely to want to teach what they’ve learned to other humans.

    Specieist!

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  126. Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.

    Well, I’m a little late to this party and haven’t read through the long comment-thread, but it looks like Herr Prof. Reich just more-or-less convicted himself of scientific fraud:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-should-scientists-bother-reading-the-books-they-denounce/

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    Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.
     
    Michael Crichton had some choice comments about claims of scientific "consensus."

    I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
    “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
    “There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.”
    [Crichton gave a number of examples where the scientific consensus was completely wrong for many years.]
    “… Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc². Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.”
     
    http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf (emphasis added)
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  127. @unit472
    Humans and chimpanzees are 99% the same based on DNA and it is likely a humanzee could be bred ( if it didn't already happen) were it seriously attempted. Despite this shared genetic component there is no real overlap in the bell curves between ape and human intelligence. While apes might not be physiologically capable of 'speech' they might have, over the eons, developed human like manifestations of intelligence such as domesticating dogs or monkeys, making rope or other adaptations to the environment to aid in their survival were they mentally capable of it.

    The fact seems to be that apes just do not possess in their species the mental horsepower to think at that level. Orcas OTOH do seem to possess that sort of intelligence as both choice of prey and techniques for hunting it are pod ( family) specific. Their communication skills also seem to be an order above the ape. Obviously humans do not share as much DNA with orcas as we do with apes so shared DNA may not be a good proxy for intelligence, cooperative behavior and communication skills.

    It’s Time to Make Human-Chimp Hybrids
    By David P. Barash
    March 8, 2018

    It is a bit of a stretch, but by no means impossible or even unlikely that a hybrid or a chimera combining a human being and a chimpanzee could be produced in a laboratory. After all, human and chimp (or bonobo) share, by most estimates, roughly 99 percent of their nuclear DNA. Granted this 1 percent difference presumably involves some key alleles, the new gene-editing tool CRISPR offers the prospect (for some, the nightmare) of adding and deleting targeted genes as desired. As a result, it is not unreasonable to foresee the possibility—eventually, perhaps, the likelihood—of producing “humanzees” or “chimphumans.” Such an individual would not be an exact equal-parts-of-each combination, but would be neither human nor chimp: rather, something in between.

    If that prospect isn’t shocking enough, here is an even more controversial suggestion: Doing so would be a terrific idea.

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  128. @Yan Shen
    To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I'm surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence!

    Well, I didn’t have any problem publishing your rather long article, and I’m glad it drew quite a lot of commentary. But stop saying such silly things.

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I’m sure I’ve known about it for at least forty years, and can’t really remember back to a time when I didn’t make that assumption.

    You did collect together some nice charts and graphs, and I’m sure there were lots of website readers totally unfamiliar with HBD or IQ issues who found it very useful and exciting, but describing yourself as a “Copernican revolutionary” really is a bit much…

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    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I’m sure I’ve known about it for at least forty years, and can’t really remember back to a time when I didn’t make that assumption.
     
    First and foremost, thanks for allowing me to publish on your site Ron! I'm hopeful that in the future you'll perhaps allow me to publish other material that might be uh enlightening for the Unz readership at large.

    To the point of your comment, I have to politely disagree. :) But I can certainly understand where you're coming from.

    You seem to be essentially making the same argument that commenter AnotherDad is making. As I pointed out in my article, yes, people casually note the penchant East Asians have for mathematical aptitude in these kinds of discussions. The stereotype of East Asians being good at math is obviously widespread, as AnotherDad noted. So what exactly am I, Yan Shen, bringing to the table here as a relatively non-technical layman?

    I see a clear disconnect between the aforementioned observations many people casually notice and the much more concrete sorts of predictions I made in my article, be they right or wrong. For instance, writers like Anatoly Karlin, Nicholas Wade, Steve Sailer and numerous others all seem content discussing overall IQ for the most part, with various comments here and there suggesting that maybe East Asians should be more represented in various fields based on the fact that their overall IQ is supposedly anywhere from 5-7 points higher on average compared to that of Europeans, according to the psychometric literature. This of course is massively frustrating, since as I argue in my article, with a proper understanding of the importance of the math/verbal split, one realizes that different groups will inevitably gravitate towards what they're naturally good at. Talking about IQ or STEM in the aggregate therefore isn't nearly as useful as breaking these concepts out into their constituent parts.

    Of course I don't claim that none of has ever been discussed before. Obviously people have been writing about the East Asian affinity for math and science for decades now. I think where the novelty of my argument lies is in pointing out that East Asians don't merely skew towards STEM, but more specifically towards physical sciences and away from life sciences. I believe this is a very under-appreciated fact which if properly understood can certainly explain many of the empirical observations that someone like Simon Marginson has been puzzling over for years now! I also think an appreciation of this fact can potentially better inform some of Karlin's articles on the state of Chinese or Japanese science. In fact, as you know, my comments in response to some of Karlin's work here was what motivated me in part to write the article to begin with! (I also point out that a correct assessment of HBD needs to account for all 4 letters of the STEM acronym. A non-trivial percentage of East Asian cognitive capital is allocated to engineering and technology, a fact which sometimes seems to elude people who discuss these matters.)

    Even more relevant to contemporary 21st century developments, I make a perhaps over-reaching but nonetheless important if true prediction that one of the most salient differences between East Asian and Western economies and the source of much angst, given Trump's recent enactment of tariffs against China and that uh entire phenomenon of Japan bashing back in the day, might be in large part due to the math/verbal split, i.e. that East Asian economies tend to skew heavily towards hardware and manufacturing and that Western economies tend to skew towards software and services.

    We often hear people discussing what makes some societies wealthy and others not, but have many people questioned why some societies seem enormously good at value creation and manufacturing and why other gravitate towards services instead? That seems to me to be of equal if not greater importance in our highly globalized 21st century society than the usual questions about why sub-Saharan Africa has been and continues to be so poor. Now I could be wrong about all of this being significantly the result of the math/verbal split (Germany certainly seems to do well enough in manufacturing), but I haven't heard too many others even suggest that this might be a non-trivial explanatory factor at play. I'm sure 99% of people will reflexively argue that this is all the result of uh historically contingent institutional factors or the likes. It's always nice to throw something new out there, even if it turns out to be wrong!

    Given that the rise of China in the 21st century surely must be of significantly more interest and relevance than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan Africa, a fact which many readers here at Unz seem to delight in for some reason, I'm amazed that so much of the discussion about the possibility and importance of racial differences both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers myopically focuses on the same old 1 SD gap in IQ between blacks and whites! Really, for someone truly interested in HBD and the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century, that seems like one of the least interesting things to focus on in the field!

    Now obviously I'm engaging in a bit of tongue in cheek showmanship here when I refer to my own work as potentially heralding a uh Copernican revolution, but surely I'm not wildly off the mark either! ;) Ultimately this is less about claiming to present new or original facts completely unknown to any and more about hammering the point that we should all be far more consistent in how we think about these sorts of matters, in particular avoiding the tendency to fall back upon familiar memes or talking points. In fact, the entire verbiage about this being a uh revolution of any kind really had less to do highlighting the fact that East Asians skewed towards math and away from verbal and more to do with illustrating the shortcomings of focusing on overall IQ or g. As all of the confusion over the supposedly low IQ scores of various eminent figures suggests, I actually don't think many people appreciate the importance of the math/verbal split when they think about these matters, even if as you alluded to, people causally notice that hey those uh East Asians sure tend to skew towards M...

    , @Yan Shen
    And Ron, even if my uh good-natured, tongue-in-cheek showmanship is somewhat grating to those who tend to skew away from that stuff, I would argue that 1) every person interested in cultivating any sort of persona or brand obviously has to create an image to sell and 2) me claiming to be a modern day Copernicus, all in good fun, surely isn't uh nearly as insane as many of the other things various curious individuals here like to engage in, such as for instance obsessing over the details of John Derbyshire's private life, penning explicit EL James style passages worthy of making the final cut of 50 Shades of Derb or repeatedly claiming to be white and insisting that white nationalists are all the bottom 10% of whites and have IQs of 70 or something like that...

    I'm definitely Chinese, no pretenses there, and I happen to agree with you in your comment about atillathehen that at least one white nationalist on this site has an IQ of 91! ;)

    , @Wizard of Oz
    As you might just possibly remember (because of a good memory rather than its importance) I first went into bat (right up to costing a famous broadcaster money for accusing me of supporting racists) during the 1970s visit of Eysenck and Jensen to give the Theodor Fink Memorial lectures/seminars in the Antipodes, but the math/verbal skew was not something I remember even as a question despite such experiences as looking at least 25 years ago at the photographs of all the post grad students in a Dean of Engineering's offices and noting that over 90 per cent were Asian. (At least 15 years ago I noticed that the smart Chinese boys at the leading academic private school here were boosting their scores by doing Latin for examination in their penultimate year! STEM could have been just a preference which matched China's opportunities. I note that New York Jews probably went for STEM before the generations for whom law was the natural choice).

    Those unimportant facts lead to something that has always interested me and I hope you might give attention to sometime (yours or that of someone suitable). That is how the use of non phonetic Chinese ideographs, not least the unsimplified forms, may have affected cognitive style or function of Chinese people over however many generations are relevant. And how many generations are relevant is itself a question given that the population was mostly illiterate until recent times.

    A related question was put to me by an elderly member of (from memory) the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences just as I was formulating the same question, namely how the great differences between European and Chinese languages may have affected the way the speakers respectively thought. (The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis comes imprecisely to mind). I shall read anything about that on UR with great interest.
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  129. @Pat Hannagan
    It's not often one gets to see Vichy France get a mention these days, what with Godwin's law reinging supreme and everyone accusing each other of being the-real-Nazi to prove their anti-Nazi philosemitic bona fides, so that was a refreshing change up.

    Thanks Mr. Cochran!

    What a coincidence:

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    Speaking of collaborators and traitors what's the modern stance on the Montagnard of the Vietnam War era?

    Collaborators or righteous?

    Certainly no one seems to have followed up their cause and post Vietnam loss/victory it's hard to determine without consulting someone well versed in the modern occult.

    Who is and isn't a collaborator is determined by who wins the war, so in the case of Herr. Reich it seems his side won.
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  130. @Ron Unz

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence!
     
    Well, I didn't have any problem publishing your rather long article, and I'm glad it drew quite a lot of commentary. But stop saying such silly things.

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I'm sure I've known about it for at least forty years, and can't really remember back to a time when I didn't make that assumption.

    You did collect together some nice charts and graphs, and I'm sure there were lots of website readers totally unfamiliar with HBD or IQ issues who found it very useful and exciting, but describing yourself as a "Copernican revolutionary" really is a bit much...

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I’m sure I’ve known about it for at least forty years, and can’t really remember back to a time when I didn’t make that assumption.

    First and foremost, thanks for allowing me to publish on your site Ron! I’m hopeful that in the future you’ll perhaps allow me to publish other material that might be uh enlightening for the Unz readership at large.

    To the point of your comment, I have to politely disagree. :) But I can certainly understand where you’re coming from.

    You seem to be essentially making the same argument that commenter AnotherDad is making. As I pointed out in my article, yes, people casually note the penchant East Asians have for mathematical aptitude in these kinds of discussions. The stereotype of East Asians being good at math is obviously widespread, as AnotherDad noted. So what exactly am I, Yan Shen, bringing to the table here as a relatively non-technical layman?

    I see a clear disconnect between the aforementioned observations many people casually notice and the much more concrete sorts of predictions I made in my article, be they right or wrong. For instance, writers like Anatoly Karlin, Nicholas Wade, Steve Sailer and numerous others all seem content discussing overall IQ for the most part, with various comments here and there suggesting that maybe East Asians should be more represented in various fields based on the fact that their overall IQ is supposedly anywhere from 5-7 points higher on average compared to that of Europeans, according to the psychometric literature. This of course is massively frustrating, since as I argue in my article, with a proper understanding of the importance of the math/verbal split, one realizes that different groups will inevitably gravitate towards what they’re naturally good at. Talking about IQ or STEM in the aggregate therefore isn’t nearly as useful as breaking these concepts out into their constituent parts.

    Of course I don’t claim that none of has ever been discussed before. Obviously people have been writing about the East Asian affinity for math and science for decades now. I think where the novelty of my argument lies is in pointing out that East Asians don’t merely skew towards STEM, but more specifically towards physical sciences and away from life sciences. I believe this is a very under-appreciated fact which if properly understood can certainly explain many of the empirical observations that someone like Simon Marginson has been puzzling over for years now! I also think an appreciation of this fact can potentially better inform some of Karlin’s articles on the state of Chinese or Japanese science. In fact, as you know, my comments in response to some of Karlin’s work here was what motivated me in part to write the article to begin with! (I also point out that a correct assessment of HBD needs to account for all 4 letters of the STEM acronym. A non-trivial percentage of East Asian cognitive capital is allocated to engineering and technology, a fact which sometimes seems to elude people who discuss these matters.)

    Even more relevant to contemporary 21st century developments, I make a perhaps over-reaching but nonetheless important if true prediction that one of the most salient differences between East Asian and Western economies and the source of much angst, given Trump’s recent enactment of tariffs against China and that uh entire phenomenon of Japan bashing back in the day, might be in large part due to the math/verbal split, i.e. that East Asian economies tend to skew heavily towards hardware and manufacturing and that Western economies tend to skew towards software and services.

    We often hear people discussing what makes some societies wealthy and others not, but have many people questioned why some societies seem enormously good at value creation and manufacturing and why other gravitate towards services instead? That seems to me to be of equal if not greater importance in our highly globalized 21st century society than the usual questions about why sub-Saharan Africa has been and continues to be so poor. Now I could be wrong about all of this being significantly the result of the math/verbal split (Germany certainly seems to do well enough in manufacturing), but I haven’t heard too many others even suggest that this might be a non-trivial explanatory factor at play. I’m sure 99% of people will reflexively argue that this is all the result of uh historically contingent institutional factors or the likes. It’s always nice to throw something new out there, even if it turns out to be wrong!

    Given that the rise of China in the 21st century surely must be of significantly more interest and relevance than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan Africa, a fact which many readers here at Unz seem to delight in for some reason, I’m amazed that so much of the discussion about the possibility and importance of racial differences both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers myopically focuses on the same old 1 SD gap in IQ between blacks and whites! Really, for someone truly interested in HBD and the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century, that seems like one of the least interesting things to focus on in the field!

    Now obviously I’m engaging in a bit of tongue in cheek showmanship here when I refer to my own work as potentially heralding a uh Copernican revolution, but surely I’m not wildly off the mark either! ;) Ultimately this is less about claiming to present new or original facts completely unknown to any and more about hammering the point that we should all be far more consistent in how we think about these sorts of matters, in particular avoiding the tendency to fall back upon familiar memes or talking points. In fact, the entire verbiage about this being a uh revolution of any kind really had less to do highlighting the fact that East Asians skewed towards math and away from verbal and more to do with illustrating the shortcomings of focusing on overall IQ or g. As all of the confusion over the supposedly low IQ scores of various eminent figures suggests, I actually don’t think many people appreciate the importance of the math/verbal split when they think about these matters, even if as you alluded to, people causally notice that hey those uh East Asians sure tend to skew towards M…

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    You have been pushing this chauvinistic Chinese math genius narrative ever since you first started posting incoherent rants on Stephen Hsu’s site several years ago. I applaud your somewhat improved English language skills but equating yourself with Copernicus is a bit much. You’ve obviously let the shame over your low SAT or GRE verbal scores drive you into a state of delusion.
    , @AKAHorace
    You might be right. Could you publish this in China ? Could you publish this in America ?

    You might be wrong. Which country would allow a debate? This might be more important than if you are right or wrong.
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  131. @Ron Unz

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence!
     
    Well, I didn't have any problem publishing your rather long article, and I'm glad it drew quite a lot of commentary. But stop saying such silly things.

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I'm sure I've known about it for at least forty years, and can't really remember back to a time when I didn't make that assumption.

    You did collect together some nice charts and graphs, and I'm sure there were lots of website readers totally unfamiliar with HBD or IQ issues who found it very useful and exciting, but describing yourself as a "Copernican revolutionary" really is a bit much...

    And Ron, even if my uh good-natured, tongue-in-cheek showmanship is somewhat grating to those who tend to skew away from that stuff, I would argue that 1) every person interested in cultivating any sort of persona or brand obviously has to create an image to sell and 2) me claiming to be a modern day Copernicus, all in good fun, surely isn’t uh nearly as insane as many of the other things various curious individuals here like to engage in, such as for instance obsessing over the details of John Derbyshire’s private life, penning explicit EL James style passages worthy of making the final cut of 50 Shades of Derb or repeatedly claiming to be white and insisting that white nationalists are all the bottom 10% of whites and have IQs of 70 or something like that…

    I’m definitely Chinese, no pretenses there, and I happen to agree with you in your comment about atillathehen that at least one white nationalist on this site has an IQ of 91! ;)

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    I’m definitely Chinese
     
    We believe you. But you are also insane but you do not see it yet. Pride goeth before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
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  132. @Pat Hannagan
    What a coincidence:

    https://twitter.com/JazzaBazza_/status/977739901926977536?s=19

    Speaking of collaborators and traitors what’s the modern stance on the Montagnard of the Vietnam War era?

    Collaborators or righteous?

    Certainly no one seems to have followed up their cause and post Vietnam loss/victory it’s hard to determine without consulting someone well versed in the modern occult.

    Who is and isn’t a collaborator is determined by who wins the war, so in the case of Herr. Reich it seems his side won.

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  133. @Yan Shen
    Uh no, there's no mistake in my argument. What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I'm not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it's more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson. IQ/g is useful for highlighting that on average people with IQs +1 SD above the mean are more successful in life than people with IQs of -1 SD below the mean.

    Where the usefulness of general intelligence or overall IQ breaks down, in my opinion, is in the analysis of tail end talent. As evidenced by phenomenon such as the math/verbal split, Spear's Law of Diminishing Returns, historical lopsided geniuses, etc. I suspect that specific cognitive sub-factors are more important for explaining the sorts of accomplishments HBD is really interested in.

    In particular, the math/verbal split surely plays a non-trivial and possibly significant role in explaining the modern rise of China. Understanding it may allow us to better understand the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century.

    What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson.

    I didn’t fail to comprehend it. In fact, i specifically gave you the out of “very sloppily stated”.

    Again, here’s what you actually wrote for your conclusion:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use. …

    This is just wrong.

    The first thing i want to know–the single most useful piece of data–about a person or nation\race\civilization to do some sort of sociological analysis would be essentiallly “smarts”–call it “g”.

    Then their spectrum of personality traits.

    Then we can talk about their math/verbal split.

    And doing any sort of credible analysis of the East Asian catchup, you’d get the same rank order.
    1) High IQ
    2) Conscientious, hard working, able to save/invest.
    3) Math/spatial

    Asia didn’t actually liftoff with any kind of scientific breakthroughs, but because they were able to organize to do industrial production. (Not even stunning quality at first, but able to organize and produce more cheaply.)

    ~~

    I agree that for outliers–individuals–there’s way more than “g” involved, especially in these interesting cases.

    Also agree that for the future the math skew of East Asia is going to be significant in helping it rise relative to Europe. (However, as i pointed out in my response to your original article and even bigger reason will be because of Europeans committing suicide. Easy to beat someone who is beating themselves.)

    However, neither of these is your grand claim. You wrote your math/verbal skew is the most important piece of HBD conclusion not me. And it’s wrong. If you can’t understand what you wrote or that it’s wrong or overstated (i offered the “very poorly stated” out) … that’s your problem.

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    Well maybe you or others consider IQ/g to be the most interesting and important aspect of HBD. I don't. Isn't it pretty boring being told the obvious, that people with IQs of 115 on average tend to have far better life outcomes than people with IQs of 85? Or that countries with low average IQs tend to be less successful than countries with higher average IQs, barring obvious external factors like a Cultural Revolution?

    As I uh stated above, I'm amazed at how much of the focus on HBD has been and continues to be on the supposed 1 SD gap in average IQ between blacks and whites both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers, as though that fact if true would be of the greatest and most monumental of importance towards understanding what really matters in the 21st century. It's not. As I stated in my response to Ron above, the rise of China surely figures to be far more important in the development of the 21st century than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan African or of black Americans more generally.

    This "revolution" that I somewhat cheekily alluded to really wasn't a claim about unearthing new facts unknown to most (obviously I didn't), but instead was about advocating for a fundamental shift in our perspective on such matters and ultimately changing the aspects of the field we choose to focus on.

    , @ThatDamnGood
    This is degrading into a spiral of serial replies doing little more than repeating initial assertions.

    Lets move things up to the me see next level.

    What predictions Math/Verbal split is "subordinate/secondary/etc" to Spearman G would make that are different from the opposite?

    M/V ??
    M/V > G ==> ??
    , @ThatDamnGood
    This is degrading into a spiral of serial replies doing little more than repeating initial assertions.

    Lets move things up to the next level.

    What predictions Math/Verbal split is "subordinate/secondary/etc" to Spearman G would make that are different from the opposite?

    M/V < G ==> ??
    M/V > G ==> ??

    Or could Yan Shen do another article on this?

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  134. @AnotherDad

    What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson.
     
    I didn't fail to comprehend it. In fact, i specifically gave you the out of "very sloppily stated".

    Again, here's what you actually wrote for your conclusion:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use. ...
     
    This is just wrong.

    The first thing i want to know--the single most useful piece of data--about a person or nation\race\civilization to do some sort of sociological analysis would be essentiallly "smarts"--call it "g".

    Then their spectrum of personality traits.

    Then we can talk about their math/verbal split.

    And doing any sort of credible analysis of the East Asian catchup, you'd get the same rank order.
    1) High IQ
    2) Conscientious, hard working, able to save/invest.
    3) Math/spatial

    Asia didn't actually liftoff with any kind of scientific breakthroughs, but because they were able to organize to do industrial production. (Not even stunning quality at first, but able to organize and produce more cheaply.)

    ~~

    I agree that for outliers--individuals--there's way more than "g" involved, especially in these interesting cases.

    Also agree that for the future the math skew of East Asia is going to be significant in helping it rise relative to Europe. (However, as i pointed out in my response to your original article and even bigger reason will be because of Europeans committing suicide. Easy to beat someone who is beating themselves.)

    However, neither of these is your grand claim. You wrote your math/verbal skew is the most important piece of HBD conclusion not me. And it's wrong. If you can't understand what you wrote or that it's wrong or overstated (i offered the "very poorly stated" out) ... that's your problem.

    Well maybe you or others consider IQ/g to be the most interesting and important aspect of HBD. I don’t. Isn’t it pretty boring being told the obvious, that people with IQs of 115 on average tend to have far better life outcomes than people with IQs of 85? Or that countries with low average IQs tend to be less successful than countries with higher average IQs, barring obvious external factors like a Cultural Revolution?

    As I uh stated above, I’m amazed at how much of the focus on HBD has been and continues to be on the supposed 1 SD gap in average IQ between blacks and whites both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers, as though that fact if true would be of the greatest and most monumental of importance towards understanding what really matters in the 21st century. It’s not. As I stated in my response to Ron above, the rise of China surely figures to be far more important in the development of the 21st century than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan African or of black Americans more generally.

    This “revolution” that I somewhat cheekily alluded to really wasn’t a claim about unearthing new facts unknown to most (obviously I didn’t), but instead was about advocating for a fundamental shift in our perspective on such matters and ultimately changing the aspects of the field we choose to focus on.

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  135. @candid_observer

    ...who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.
     
    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson's claim is "without any scientific evidence"?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it's precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    Because a guy like Reich, hypocrite and liar that he is, wants it both ways. He wants to be thought well of by the liars who populate the great and the good today and yet maintain some semblance of being an objective scientist who is respectful of empirical truth.

    In order to do this as a geneticist he has to acknowledge, even grudgingly, that genes influence human behaviors and that there are differences in the genetics of various human subpopulations. But in order to maintain good standing with the great and the good he is required to slander men like Watson and Wade and make idiotic pronouncements on what is and what is not acceptable discourse.

    I am tired of hearing people say how smart these lying sanctimonious hypocrites are and that they are deserving of respect for their honesty and their bravery.

    This guy is a scumbag who is about as committed to the open exchange of ideas as any other garden variety liar. That he is at Harvard is not much of a surprise in that this was also the home of another self-righteous liar and book burner by the name of Stephen Jay Gould.

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  136. “This guy is a scumbag” – yes.

    All he had to do, to be a good guy, was to admit that some of his predecessors got it right before he did.

    But no. That was too much for him. He preferred to defame them.

    What a gigantic prick.

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  137. @Yan Shen

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I’m sure I’ve known about it for at least forty years, and can’t really remember back to a time when I didn’t make that assumption.
     
    First and foremost, thanks for allowing me to publish on your site Ron! I'm hopeful that in the future you'll perhaps allow me to publish other material that might be uh enlightening for the Unz readership at large.

    To the point of your comment, I have to politely disagree. :) But I can certainly understand where you're coming from.

    You seem to be essentially making the same argument that commenter AnotherDad is making. As I pointed out in my article, yes, people casually note the penchant East Asians have for mathematical aptitude in these kinds of discussions. The stereotype of East Asians being good at math is obviously widespread, as AnotherDad noted. So what exactly am I, Yan Shen, bringing to the table here as a relatively non-technical layman?

    I see a clear disconnect between the aforementioned observations many people casually notice and the much more concrete sorts of predictions I made in my article, be they right or wrong. For instance, writers like Anatoly Karlin, Nicholas Wade, Steve Sailer and numerous others all seem content discussing overall IQ for the most part, with various comments here and there suggesting that maybe East Asians should be more represented in various fields based on the fact that their overall IQ is supposedly anywhere from 5-7 points higher on average compared to that of Europeans, according to the psychometric literature. This of course is massively frustrating, since as I argue in my article, with a proper understanding of the importance of the math/verbal split, one realizes that different groups will inevitably gravitate towards what they're naturally good at. Talking about IQ or STEM in the aggregate therefore isn't nearly as useful as breaking these concepts out into their constituent parts.

    Of course I don't claim that none of has ever been discussed before. Obviously people have been writing about the East Asian affinity for math and science for decades now. I think where the novelty of my argument lies is in pointing out that East Asians don't merely skew towards STEM, but more specifically towards physical sciences and away from life sciences. I believe this is a very under-appreciated fact which if properly understood can certainly explain many of the empirical observations that someone like Simon Marginson has been puzzling over for years now! I also think an appreciation of this fact can potentially better inform some of Karlin's articles on the state of Chinese or Japanese science. In fact, as you know, my comments in response to some of Karlin's work here was what motivated me in part to write the article to begin with! (I also point out that a correct assessment of HBD needs to account for all 4 letters of the STEM acronym. A non-trivial percentage of East Asian cognitive capital is allocated to engineering and technology, a fact which sometimes seems to elude people who discuss these matters.)

    Even more relevant to contemporary 21st century developments, I make a perhaps over-reaching but nonetheless important if true prediction that one of the most salient differences between East Asian and Western economies and the source of much angst, given Trump's recent enactment of tariffs against China and that uh entire phenomenon of Japan bashing back in the day, might be in large part due to the math/verbal split, i.e. that East Asian economies tend to skew heavily towards hardware and manufacturing and that Western economies tend to skew towards software and services.

    We often hear people discussing what makes some societies wealthy and others not, but have many people questioned why some societies seem enormously good at value creation and manufacturing and why other gravitate towards services instead? That seems to me to be of equal if not greater importance in our highly globalized 21st century society than the usual questions about why sub-Saharan Africa has been and continues to be so poor. Now I could be wrong about all of this being significantly the result of the math/verbal split (Germany certainly seems to do well enough in manufacturing), but I haven't heard too many others even suggest that this might be a non-trivial explanatory factor at play. I'm sure 99% of people will reflexively argue that this is all the result of uh historically contingent institutional factors or the likes. It's always nice to throw something new out there, even if it turns out to be wrong!

    Given that the rise of China in the 21st century surely must be of significantly more interest and relevance than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan Africa, a fact which many readers here at Unz seem to delight in for some reason, I'm amazed that so much of the discussion about the possibility and importance of racial differences both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers myopically focuses on the same old 1 SD gap in IQ between blacks and whites! Really, for someone truly interested in HBD and the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century, that seems like one of the least interesting things to focus on in the field!

    Now obviously I'm engaging in a bit of tongue in cheek showmanship here when I refer to my own work as potentially heralding a uh Copernican revolution, but surely I'm not wildly off the mark either! ;) Ultimately this is less about claiming to present new or original facts completely unknown to any and more about hammering the point that we should all be far more consistent in how we think about these sorts of matters, in particular avoiding the tendency to fall back upon familiar memes or talking points. In fact, the entire verbiage about this being a uh revolution of any kind really had less to do highlighting the fact that East Asians skewed towards math and away from verbal and more to do with illustrating the shortcomings of focusing on overall IQ or g. As all of the confusion over the supposedly low IQ scores of various eminent figures suggests, I actually don't think many people appreciate the importance of the math/verbal split when they think about these matters, even if as you alluded to, people causally notice that hey those uh East Asians sure tend to skew towards M...

    You have been pushing this chauvinistic Chinese math genius narrative ever since you first started posting incoherent rants on Stephen Hsu’s site several years ago. I applaud your somewhat improved English language skills but equating yourself with Copernicus is a bit much. You’ve obviously let the shame over your low SAT or GRE verbal scores drive you into a state of delusion.

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  138. @Yan Shen

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I’m sure I’ve known about it for at least forty years, and can’t really remember back to a time when I didn’t make that assumption.
     
    First and foremost, thanks for allowing me to publish on your site Ron! I'm hopeful that in the future you'll perhaps allow me to publish other material that might be uh enlightening for the Unz readership at large.

    To the point of your comment, I have to politely disagree. :) But I can certainly understand where you're coming from.

    You seem to be essentially making the same argument that commenter AnotherDad is making. As I pointed out in my article, yes, people casually note the penchant East Asians have for mathematical aptitude in these kinds of discussions. The stereotype of East Asians being good at math is obviously widespread, as AnotherDad noted. So what exactly am I, Yan Shen, bringing to the table here as a relatively non-technical layman?

    I see a clear disconnect between the aforementioned observations many people casually notice and the much more concrete sorts of predictions I made in my article, be they right or wrong. For instance, writers like Anatoly Karlin, Nicholas Wade, Steve Sailer and numerous others all seem content discussing overall IQ for the most part, with various comments here and there suggesting that maybe East Asians should be more represented in various fields based on the fact that their overall IQ is supposedly anywhere from 5-7 points higher on average compared to that of Europeans, according to the psychometric literature. This of course is massively frustrating, since as I argue in my article, with a proper understanding of the importance of the math/verbal split, one realizes that different groups will inevitably gravitate towards what they're naturally good at. Talking about IQ or STEM in the aggregate therefore isn't nearly as useful as breaking these concepts out into their constituent parts.

    Of course I don't claim that none of has ever been discussed before. Obviously people have been writing about the East Asian affinity for math and science for decades now. I think where the novelty of my argument lies is in pointing out that East Asians don't merely skew towards STEM, but more specifically towards physical sciences and away from life sciences. I believe this is a very under-appreciated fact which if properly understood can certainly explain many of the empirical observations that someone like Simon Marginson has been puzzling over for years now! I also think an appreciation of this fact can potentially better inform some of Karlin's articles on the state of Chinese or Japanese science. In fact, as you know, my comments in response to some of Karlin's work here was what motivated me in part to write the article to begin with! (I also point out that a correct assessment of HBD needs to account for all 4 letters of the STEM acronym. A non-trivial percentage of East Asian cognitive capital is allocated to engineering and technology, a fact which sometimes seems to elude people who discuss these matters.)

    Even more relevant to contemporary 21st century developments, I make a perhaps over-reaching but nonetheless important if true prediction that one of the most salient differences between East Asian and Western economies and the source of much angst, given Trump's recent enactment of tariffs against China and that uh entire phenomenon of Japan bashing back in the day, might be in large part due to the math/verbal split, i.e. that East Asian economies tend to skew heavily towards hardware and manufacturing and that Western economies tend to skew towards software and services.

    We often hear people discussing what makes some societies wealthy and others not, but have many people questioned why some societies seem enormously good at value creation and manufacturing and why other gravitate towards services instead? That seems to me to be of equal if not greater importance in our highly globalized 21st century society than the usual questions about why sub-Saharan Africa has been and continues to be so poor. Now I could be wrong about all of this being significantly the result of the math/verbal split (Germany certainly seems to do well enough in manufacturing), but I haven't heard too many others even suggest that this might be a non-trivial explanatory factor at play. I'm sure 99% of people will reflexively argue that this is all the result of uh historically contingent institutional factors or the likes. It's always nice to throw something new out there, even if it turns out to be wrong!

    Given that the rise of China in the 21st century surely must be of significantly more interest and relevance than the continuing failure of sub-Saharan Africa, a fact which many readers here at Unz seem to delight in for some reason, I'm amazed that so much of the discussion about the possibility and importance of racial differences both among the HBD camp and among progressive non-believers myopically focuses on the same old 1 SD gap in IQ between blacks and whites! Really, for someone truly interested in HBD and the possible evolution of humanity in the 21st century, that seems like one of the least interesting things to focus on in the field!

    Now obviously I'm engaging in a bit of tongue in cheek showmanship here when I refer to my own work as potentially heralding a uh Copernican revolution, but surely I'm not wildly off the mark either! ;) Ultimately this is less about claiming to present new or original facts completely unknown to any and more about hammering the point that we should all be far more consistent in how we think about these sorts of matters, in particular avoiding the tendency to fall back upon familiar memes or talking points. In fact, the entire verbiage about this being a uh revolution of any kind really had less to do highlighting the fact that East Asians skewed towards math and away from verbal and more to do with illustrating the shortcomings of focusing on overall IQ or g. As all of the confusion over the supposedly low IQ scores of various eminent figures suggests, I actually don't think many people appreciate the importance of the math/verbal split when they think about these matters, even if as you alluded to, people causally notice that hey those uh East Asians sure tend to skew towards M...

    You might be right. Could you publish this in China ? Could you publish this in America ?

    You might be wrong. Which country would allow a debate? This might be more important than if you are right or wrong.

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    Well since the topic of my article is HBD rather than pining for Western style liberal democracy, my guess is that I would probably uh face less criticism going public with my ideas in China than in the US. There's a reason why these kinds of things are discussed on Unz rather than say the Atlantic!
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  139. @Yan Shen
    And Ron, even if my uh good-natured, tongue-in-cheek showmanship is somewhat grating to those who tend to skew away from that stuff, I would argue that 1) every person interested in cultivating any sort of persona or brand obviously has to create an image to sell and 2) me claiming to be a modern day Copernicus, all in good fun, surely isn't uh nearly as insane as many of the other things various curious individuals here like to engage in, such as for instance obsessing over the details of John Derbyshire's private life, penning explicit EL James style passages worthy of making the final cut of 50 Shades of Derb or repeatedly claiming to be white and insisting that white nationalists are all the bottom 10% of whites and have IQs of 70 or something like that...

    I'm definitely Chinese, no pretenses there, and I happen to agree with you in your comment about atillathehen that at least one white nationalist on this site has an IQ of 91! ;)

    I’m definitely Chinese

    We believe you. But you are also insane but you do not see it yet. Pride goeth before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

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  140. @candid_observer

    ...who was forced to retire as head of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories in 2007 after he stated in an interview — without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans.
     
    How on earth can Reich claim that Watson's claim is "without any scientific evidence"?

    Reich knows as well as anybody else in the field what the scientific evidence is for these differences. And, of course, it's precisely because he knows of this evidence that he knows what geneticists are going to be finding in the future, and is writing this piece as a warning to the world.

    If there were no good reason to believe any of the sorts of things Wade, Harpending, and Watson had to say, why would Reich be telling everybody to prepare themselves for some very unwelcome news?

    without any scientific evidence — that research has suggested that genetic factors contribute to lower intelligence in Africans than in Europeans

    He is correct. There is an empirical evidence that Africans perform worse on intelligence tests than Europeans. But there is no explicit evidence for genetic explanation. Once GWAS studies identify a sequence of SNPs that can be used to predict IQ explaining ≈50% of variance within European and African populations and that the mean of the prediction for Africans will be lower than the mean for Europeans this will constitute an explicit genetic evidence. So far SNPs/genes can predict 7% of variance (see the most recent Thompson article here at unz.com) and Hsu’s last year paper where he managed to explain only 9% of variance of educational attainment with 1000′s of SNPs.

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  141. @Ron Unz

    Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.
     
    Well, I'm a little late to this party and haven't read through the long comment-thread, but it looks like Herr Prof. Reich just more-or-less convicted himself of scientific fraud:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-should-scientists-bother-reading-the-books-they-denounce/

    Indeed, as 139 geneticists (including myself) pointed out in a letter to The New York Times about Mr. Wade’s book, there is no genetic evidence to back up any of the racist stereotypes he promotes.

    Michael Crichton had some choice comments about claims of scientific “consensus.”

    I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
    “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
    “There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.”
    [Crichton gave a number of examples where the scientific consensus was completely wrong for many years.]
    “… Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc². Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.”

    http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf (emphasis added)

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  142. Take the cue from Prince who later called himself ‘Artist formerly known as Prince’.

    Race should be AFKAR, or abstraction formerly known as race.

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  143. @AnotherDad

    What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson.
     
    I didn't fail to comprehend it. In fact, i specifically gave you the out of "very sloppily stated".

    Again, here's what you actually wrote for your conclusion:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use. ...
     
    This is just wrong.

    The first thing i want to know--the single most useful piece of data--about a person or nation\race\civilization to do some sort of sociological analysis would be essentiallly "smarts"--call it "g".

    Then their spectrum of personality traits.

    Then we can talk about their math/verbal split.

    And doing any sort of credible analysis of the East Asian catchup, you'd get the same rank order.
    1) High IQ
    2) Conscientious, hard working, able to save/invest.
    3) Math/spatial

    Asia didn't actually liftoff with any kind of scientific breakthroughs, but because they were able to organize to do industrial production. (Not even stunning quality at first, but able to organize and produce more cheaply.)

    ~~

    I agree that for outliers--individuals--there's way more than "g" involved, especially in these interesting cases.

    Also agree that for the future the math skew of East Asia is going to be significant in helping it rise relative to Europe. (However, as i pointed out in my response to your original article and even bigger reason will be because of Europeans committing suicide. Easy to beat someone who is beating themselves.)

    However, neither of these is your grand claim. You wrote your math/verbal skew is the most important piece of HBD conclusion not me. And it's wrong. If you can't understand what you wrote or that it's wrong or overstated (i offered the "very poorly stated" out) ... that's your problem.

    This is degrading into a spiral of serial replies doing little more than repeating initial assertions.

    Lets move things up to the me see next level.

    What predictions Math/Verbal split is “subordinate/secondary/etc” to Spearman G would make that are different from the opposite?

    M/V ??
    M/V > G ==> ??

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  144. @AKAHorace
    You might be right. Could you publish this in China ? Could you publish this in America ?

    You might be wrong. Which country would allow a debate? This might be more important than if you are right or wrong.

    Well since the topic of my article is HBD rather than pining for Western style liberal democracy, my guess is that I would probably uh face less criticism going public with my ideas in China than in the US. There’s a reason why these kinds of things are discussed on Unz rather than say the Atlantic!

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  145. @AnotherDad

    What AnotherDad is failing to comprehend is that I’m not denying the validity or importance of g, but rather pointing out that it’s more suitable for the sorts of broad stroke population analyses referenced by people like Linda Gottfredson.
     
    I didn't fail to comprehend it. In fact, i specifically gave you the out of "very sloppily stated".

    Again, here's what you actually wrote for your conclusion:

    Conclusion

    I hope I’ve convinced you that the correct way of thinking about HBD is fundamentally along the lines of the math/verbal split more so than along the lines of overall IQ or g, not that those concepts don’t have their relevant areas of use. ...
     
    This is just wrong.

    The first thing i want to know--the single most useful piece of data--about a person or nation\race\civilization to do some sort of sociological analysis would be essentiallly "smarts"--call it "g".

    Then their spectrum of personality traits.

    Then we can talk about their math/verbal split.

    And doing any sort of credible analysis of the East Asian catchup, you'd get the same rank order.
    1) High IQ
    2) Conscientious, hard working, able to save/invest.
    3) Math/spatial

    Asia didn't actually liftoff with any kind of scientific breakthroughs, but because they were able to organize to do industrial production. (Not even stunning quality at first, but able to organize and produce more cheaply.)

    ~~

    I agree that for outliers--individuals--there's way more than "g" involved, especially in these interesting cases.

    Also agree that for the future the math skew of East Asia is going to be significant in helping it rise relative to Europe. (However, as i pointed out in my response to your original article and even bigger reason will be because of Europeans committing suicide. Easy to beat someone who is beating themselves.)

    However, neither of these is your grand claim. You wrote your math/verbal skew is the most important piece of HBD conclusion not me. And it's wrong. If you can't understand what you wrote or that it's wrong or overstated (i offered the "very poorly stated" out) ... that's your problem.

    This is degrading into a spiral of serial replies doing little more than repeating initial assertions.

    Lets move things up to the next level.

    What predictions Math/Verbal split is “subordinate/secondary/etc” to Spearman G would make that are different from the opposite?

    M/V < G ==> ??
    M/V > G ==> ??

    Or could Yan Shen do another article on this?

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  146. I can’t help hoping Dr Reich is Watsoned, Derbed and otherwise Jewsplained from pillar to post for this cop-out.

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  147. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:

    utu:

    There is an empirical evidence that Africans perform worse on intelligence tests than Europeans. But there is no explicit evidence for genetic explanation.

    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)

    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

    You don’t consider either of these to be explicit evidence for a genetic explanation?

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.

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    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)
     
    LOL. Absurd. This site has long past the point of being a font of idiotic, discredited and roundly debunked pseudo-"science".

    But, okay, I'll play along. I'm black and I have a big ass brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?


    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.
     
    Anybody that cites this study with a straight face is ironically too stupid for these discussions.

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.
     
    There are no white, black or Asian brains, genius. Name one credible neurologist or neurosurgeon who can identify "race" via human brains.
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  148. @Pentheus
    Serious question for Steve or someone else:

    I am not a STEM guy, to put it mildly. I need a succinct explanation.

    I watch a lot of true crime shows. Routinely the medical examiners identify precisely every relevant trait (sex, race -- macro and even micro) of an unidentifiable victim via DNA, bones, hair, teeth, etc.

    One striking example was a case in which a white American guy committed life insurance fraud by faking his death in Mexico. Unidentifiable body was found in a burned-out car. The ME or expert consultant determined that the shape of the TEETH were that of an elderly mestizo peasant. (The age and peasant part was determined of course by condition of teeth, not innate distinctive shape.)

    I say I found it striking, because the racial identification from the teeth was not macro - caucasian, black, Asian, Amerind - but micro -- specifically mestizo.

    And this is the most ironclad evidence (incrim. and exculp.), everyone agrees, on both sides of criminal law case.

    Question is: How is this not all that I, as a layperson, need to know about whether "race" is "genetic"?

    That is, what would not only a Steve say What would people like this Reich guy say?

    That medical forensics is not science? That the criminal justice system is wrong?

    Yep. Anyone who seed UK cop shows will hear repeated reference to race in the form of “IC1 male” or the like.

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  149. @Anon
    "previously known as" is good. Like it's some archaeological find. Unlike, "changed his name to sound more British than Yiddish." Nothing to see here.

    I suspect some kind of humour was involved in choosing such an aristocratic name. Many possibilies come to mind. Delight at telling his Central European relatives who were restricted by law in the names they could adopt (hence Goldberg, Silberstein, Fink [el] [stein], Adler etc) of the floridly English aristocratic name he had adopted? Self mockery that his big sister and best mate might chuckle at? Note the practical change when he was more mature and lived in America. But it does suggest somewhat a liking for boring it up the established – people, customs, ideas…

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  150. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    This is like watching a tragedy/farce version of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.

    Genes control everything – the shape of someone’s nose, hair colour, eye colour, feet size, dick size and yes, the brain and its function. We can see it, hear it and measure it.

    And it’s hereditary. Even before science had a name, people bred pigs, dogs and themselves for desired traits.

    WTF. What am I missing? Why are these non-academics paid to prance naked on the stage?

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  151. @Ron Unz

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence!
     
    Well, I didn't have any problem publishing your rather long article, and I'm glad it drew quite a lot of commentary. But stop saying such silly things.

    My strong impression is that almost everyone interested in HBD issues has been totally aware of the Math/Verbal skew between Europeans and East Asians for many decades. I'm sure I've known about it for at least forty years, and can't really remember back to a time when I didn't make that assumption.

    You did collect together some nice charts and graphs, and I'm sure there were lots of website readers totally unfamiliar with HBD or IQ issues who found it very useful and exciting, but describing yourself as a "Copernican revolutionary" really is a bit much...

    As you might just possibly remember (because of a good memory rather than its importance) I first went into bat (right up to costing a famous broadcaster money for accusing me of supporting racists) during the 1970s visit of Eysenck and Jensen to give the Theodor Fink Memorial lectures/seminars in the Antipodes, but the math/verbal skew was not something I remember even as a question despite such experiences as looking at least 25 years ago at the photographs of all the post grad students in a Dean of Engineering’s offices and noting that over 90 per cent were Asian. (At least 15 years ago I noticed that the smart Chinese boys at the leading academic private school here were boosting their scores by doing Latin for examination in their penultimate year! STEM could have been just a preference which matched China’s opportunities. I note that New York Jews probably went for STEM before the generations for whom law was the natural choice).

    Those unimportant facts lead to something that has always interested me and I hope you might give attention to sometime (yours or that of someone suitable). That is how the use of non phonetic Chinese ideographs, not least the unsimplified forms, may have affected cognitive style or function of Chinese people over however many generations are relevant. And how many generations are relevant is itself a question given that the population was mostly illiterate until recent times.

    A related question was put to me by an elderly member of (from memory) the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences just as I was formulating the same question, namely how the great differences between European and Chinese languages may have affected the way the speakers respectively thought. (The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis comes imprecisely to mind). I shall read anything about that on UR with great interest.

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    PS. Just because it may interest some: it has long been my private addition to Greg Clark's, Eric Jones's and others' explanations as to why the possibility of ending the Malthusian conditions prevalent almost everywhere before the Industrial Revolution didn't occur in China or Japan to hypothesize that Chinese tradesman with a bright 8 year old son might turn down literacy and the possibility of huge economic and social advance for him because it could keep him for 3 years out of the workforce where he could be learning a trade, whereas the English equivalent in 1580, with a Bible that father could read in the house could countbon his clever boy learning to read in six months (or less).
    , @HallParvey
    There is also the difference in the Eastern and Western musical preferences. Differences are differences. They may or may not be advantages.
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  152. @Wizard of Oz
    As you might just possibly remember (because of a good memory rather than its importance) I first went into bat (right up to costing a famous broadcaster money for accusing me of supporting racists) during the 1970s visit of Eysenck and Jensen to give the Theodor Fink Memorial lectures/seminars in the Antipodes, but the math/verbal skew was not something I remember even as a question despite such experiences as looking at least 25 years ago at the photographs of all the post grad students in a Dean of Engineering's offices and noting that over 90 per cent were Asian. (At least 15 years ago I noticed that the smart Chinese boys at the leading academic private school here were boosting their scores by doing Latin for examination in their penultimate year! STEM could have been just a preference which matched China's opportunities. I note that New York Jews probably went for STEM before the generations for whom law was the natural choice).

    Those unimportant facts lead to something that has always interested me and I hope you might give attention to sometime (yours or that of someone suitable). That is how the use of non phonetic Chinese ideographs, not least the unsimplified forms, may have affected cognitive style or function of Chinese people over however many generations are relevant. And how many generations are relevant is itself a question given that the population was mostly illiterate until recent times.

    A related question was put to me by an elderly member of (from memory) the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences just as I was formulating the same question, namely how the great differences between European and Chinese languages may have affected the way the speakers respectively thought. (The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis comes imprecisely to mind). I shall read anything about that on UR with great interest.

    PS. Just because it may interest some: it has long been my private addition to Greg Clark’s, Eric Jones’s and others’ explanations as to why the possibility of ending the Malthusian conditions prevalent almost everywhere before the Industrial Revolution didn’t occur in China or Japan to hypothesize that Chinese tradesman with a bright 8 year old son might turn down literacy and the possibility of huge economic and social advance for him because it could keep him for 3 years out of the workforce where he could be learning a trade, whereas the English equivalent in 1580, with a Bible that father could read in the house could countbon his clever boy learning to read in six months (or less).

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  153. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Some people seem to have little regard for the work or the reputation other people, especially if these other people could pose a threat to their own. By thrashing the other guys, they protect themselves from persecution for wrongthink while at the same time getting rid of possible competitors for fame and funding.

    As long as Reich convinces himself that he's doing God's and it would be a net loss for humanity if his work was stopped by accusations of thoughtcrime, it gets easy to diss other people. For the record, I think his work is great, I don't know him personally, and I know my assessment is not very generous; yet it makes sense.

    (((Some people))) have traits that are consistent with Heartiste’s ashkepathy.

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  154. Answer me something. Why is “race is a social construct” correct and the analog, “there is a social construct component to race” not more accurate. Genetics can drive traits that make particular social expressions more common, hence races tend toward different sociological tendencies. Isn’t that the real truth and the reason sub-Sahara Africa is radically different than Europe or Asia?

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    And "a social construct component to what we usually or often talk about when we refer to 'race' " even more accurate? If only more time was taken up with pedantry and precision there would be less time for acrimony, would there not? :-)
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  155. Scientifically speaking I agree there probably is no such thing as race. To be more accurate we should speak of a human species and then various breeds within that species. Race used to be a more polite way of speaking of breeds because it didn’t have the animal connotations. Of course if you think the term race gets you in trouble, try using breed instead.

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  156. @Clyde
    You got 379 comments for your Unz article so you must be doing something right. Or wrong. I think you're kind of a jerk but those who criticize you can write something long for Unz and see if Ron Unz will publish it.

    Clyde, Unz publishes articles from several leftard shitheels. That doesn’t mean that they are doing something right. Drawing comments to an article also isn’t a great accomplishment.

    A long string of comments posted in disagreement or dismissal doesn’t make an article more worthy than the comments written in response to it, either.

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  157. @Yan Shen
    To follow up on my prior comment, HBD proving that blacks lag whites by 1 SD in IQ is to put it frankly boring. I'm surprised that so much of the focus on HBD in this country, both by the HBD camp and by non-believers is on this particular aspect of the matter.

    Far more interesting and relevant to the sorts of developments that matter the most for the 21st century are the things discussed in my article. Why do some countries excel at advanced high tech manufacturing, while others excel at services? Why are Chinese Americans so significantly over-represented in Silicon Valley? How can we understand the nature of the rise of modern day Chinese science? All of these things can be better understood, in my opinion, by grasping the multifaceted nature of human intelligence and group differences.

    This is precisely why I advocated for a Copernican revolution in our public understanding of HBD and intelligence! Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below. Then they might better understand why America consistently runs a trade deficit with countries like Japan or China.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    “Imagine if every official in the Trump administration read my article below.”

    So, adding your ideas to the cacophony that Trump is already subjected to by his advisors would help? Trump is already infected with a particular strain of AIDs as it is. It’s called Hearing AIDs. You get it from listening to assholes.

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  158. @theMann
    Short version of a long article:

    Murray Rothbard's observation "all stereotypes are true" is, in fact, true.




    AND THAT IS INTOLERABLE.



    Wasn't that so much easier than reading the whole article?

    Yes, it was. Stereotypes and cliches share the same property, for the same reason.

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  159. @Pentheus
    Serious question for Steve or someone else:

    I am not a STEM guy, to put it mildly. I need a succinct explanation.

    I watch a lot of true crime shows. Routinely the medical examiners identify precisely every relevant trait (sex, race -- macro and even micro) of an unidentifiable victim via DNA, bones, hair, teeth, etc.

    One striking example was a case in which a white American guy committed life insurance fraud by faking his death in Mexico. Unidentifiable body was found in a burned-out car. The ME or expert consultant determined that the shape of the TEETH were that of an elderly mestizo peasant. (The age and peasant part was determined of course by condition of teeth, not innate distinctive shape.)

    I say I found it striking, because the racial identification from the teeth was not macro - caucasian, black, Asian, Amerind - but micro -- specifically mestizo.

    And this is the most ironclad evidence (incrim. and exculp.), everyone agrees, on both sides of criminal law case.

    Question is: How is this not all that I, as a layperson, need to know about whether "race" is "genetic"?

    That is, what would not only a Steve say What would people like this Reich guy say?

    That medical forensics is not science? That the criminal justice system is wrong?

    “That medical forensics is not science? That the criminal justice system is wrong?”

    No, it might say that such forensic applications of DNA evidence could be easily misstated in a prosecution and would be hard to refute, given the fact that jurors could be easily misled due to the intricacy of the science.

    The criminal justice system is very often wrong because it is dominated by prosecutors, many of whom are amoral shysters seeking to establish a record that might help them to gain an elected office.

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  160. “What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes.

    I’m sure what Reich is referring to when he says “-backed by no evidence- [Watson et al] know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes” he’s referring to differences in average IQs amongst “races” ethnic or population “groups” -or whatever-term-you-happen-to-prefer.
    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for “cognition” “intelligence” “IQ” (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.
    A number 1- the pervasiveness, across generations, of racial/ethnic gaps in average IQ and how they also parallel racial differences in socio-economic status- Jews, Asians, whites, mestizos/amerinds and blacks. The higher average IQs and socioeconomic status’ of Jews and Asians also cast doubt on the notion of “cultural bias” in IQ testing or white “racism” being a factor in both IQ differentials and socioeconomic standing.

    B number 2- The fact that “races” “subraces” “ethnic groups” -whatever- show different “Profiles” when it comes to their performances on IQ tests. For example, East Asians, Eskimos, and American Indians all have elevated visuospatial IQs -a unique trait among these 3 groups- and share a common ancestry. What in the “environment” would produce such a unique phenomenon if the genes for IQ WERE NOT disturbed unevenly amongst pop. groups?
    Jews have elevated verbal IQs relative to gentiles, and again, what would -besides genes- would cause such a phenomenon?

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    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for “cognition” “intelligence” “IQ” (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.
     
    Alright, then provide the evidence.

    Big hint. Your hopes, dreams and desires don't constitute evidence of anything. You're falling into the same trap as James Watson. He wanted it so badly that he stated it, hoping his authority would compensate for the total lack of any credible scientific evidence.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Jews have elevated verbal IQs relative to gentiles, and again, what would -besides genes- would cause such a phenomenon?

     

    A phenomenon caused by comparing a population of 7,500 million with a population of 16 million.

    Oh, you mean "Ashkenazi Jews" and not "Jews". So we have to shrink the above number and lose 6 million (sorry) Sephardis.

    We are not allowed to lop off our low performing ethnics to bring the average up.
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  161. @AndrewR
    I'm guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person.

    said:
    “I’m guessing this was written by a Fellow White Person.”

    Depends upon who you describe as a “Fellow White Person”.

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  162. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    I am not even finished reading your article and I am impressed by the comment on the monolithic concept of intelligence. It goes even beyond this. A culture needs to have a willingness to cooperate, and individuals also need a high tolerance for repetition and attention to detail.

    Take the world of programming, for example. The functionality of a certain bit of code is not isolated to its brilliance confined to its own black box. Its also in its interfaces. The interfacing of very simple things can lead to far more complex structures and those components might be far more prosaic than an impressive chunk of code that is not made to scale.

    This is what I see that limits African cultures the most. There is a lot of intelligence, but its not made to scale.

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  163. @anon
    utu:


    There is an empirical evidence that Africans perform worse on intelligence tests than Europeans. But there is no explicit evidence for genetic explanation.

     

    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)

    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

    You don't consider either of these to be explicit evidence for a genetic explanation?

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.

    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)

    LOL. Absurd. This site has long past the point of being a font of idiotic, discredited and roundly debunked pseudo-”science”.

    But, okay, I’ll play along. I’m black and I have a big ass brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?

    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

    Anybody that cites this study with a straight face is ironically too stupid for these discussions.

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.

    There are no white, black or Asian brains, genius. Name one credible neurologist or neurosurgeon who can identify “race” via human brains.

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    I’m black and I have a big ass-brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?

     

    Maybe you're related to Yakub?
    , @gcochran
    http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)00671-5.pdf

    Modeling the 3D Geometry of the Cortical Surface
    with Genetic Ancestry

    Fan et al. show that human cortical
    surface robustly predicts an individual’s
    genetic ancestry despite that populations
    have been shaped by waves of migrations
    and admixture events. For each
    continental ancestry, the regional
    patterns of cortical folding and
    gyrification are unique and complex.
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  164. @Lucas McCrudy
    "What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes."

    I'm sure what Reich is referring to when he says "-backed by no evidence- [Watson et al] know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes" he's referring to differences in average IQs amongst "races" ethnic or population "groups" -or whatever-term-you-happen-to-prefer.
    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for "cognition" "intelligence" "IQ" (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.
    A number 1- the pervasiveness, across generations, of racial/ethnic gaps in average IQ and how they also parallel racial differences in socio-economic status- Jews, Asians, whites, mestizos/amerinds and blacks. The higher average IQs and socioeconomic status' of Jews and Asians also cast doubt on the notion of "cultural bias" in IQ testing or white "racism" being a factor in both IQ differentials and socioeconomic standing.

    B number 2- The fact that "races" "subraces" "ethnic groups" -whatever- show different "Profiles" when it comes to their performances on IQ tests. For example, East Asians, Eskimos, and American Indians all have elevated visuospatial IQs -a unique trait among these 3 groups- and share a common ancestry. What in the "environment" would produce such a unique phenomenon if the genes for IQ WERE NOT disturbed unevenly amongst pop. groups?
    Jews have elevated verbal IQs relative to gentiles, and again, what would -besides genes- would cause such a phenomenon?

    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for “cognition” “intelligence” “IQ” (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.

    Alright, then provide the evidence.

    Big hint. Your hopes, dreams and desires don’t constitute evidence of anything. You’re falling into the same trap as James Watson. He wanted it so badly that he stated it, hoping his authority would compensate for the total lack of any credible scientific evidence.

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    Egalitarianist dogma is best dogma.
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  165. @Jason Liu
    Even in the face of direct evidence, the comments on that piece are still going "There is only one race, the human race!" or "Race is a social construct". It's like a mantra for the brainwashed.

    I would say that you are brainwashed into thinking there are races.
    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed “higher” or “superior” human’s preconceptions.

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    Did you read what Dr. Reich said about prostate cancer? Was he thus claiming that sub-Saharan Africans are inferior people to ethnic Europeans?
    , @Seamus Padraig

    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.
     
    Or in-breeding, as the case may be.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed “higher” or “superior” human’s preconceptions.
     
    'Superior' and 'inferior' and like concepts are matters of opinion. Tell me: which breed of dog is the best? A border collie, a golden retriever or a doberman? Well that depends on what sort of dog you need: a sheep dog, a bird dog or a guard dog? No breed of dog is objectively 'the' best; they can only be evaluated relative to a specific, desired characteristic. (BTW, pretty much any breed of dog can mate with any other. So does that mean that no dog breeds exist at all? Of course not. It means that the various breeds are just subspecies rather than species.)
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  166. “After all, what has James D. Watson ever done for science?”

    Answer: Nothing!

    At least, according to my recently graduated daughter, who was taught everything she needed to know at university. They stole the whole thing from a woman scientist.

    See Rosalind Franklin.

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  167. Harvard is now a sleaze-bag operation run by a corrupt, racist, abusive foreign sect. No one takes Harvard seriously as a university anymore – no matter how much propaganda the sect’s media splash about. Another part of the swamp that needs draining.

    Why Larry Summers lost the presidency of Harvard | mathbabe

    https://mathbabe.org/2012/03/11/why-larry-summers-lost-the-presidency-of-harvard/

    Russia – the biggest robbery of the twentieth century

    https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?t=20332

    Jews sans frontieres: Alan Dershowitz: plagiarist, liar and racist

    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com.es/2006/05/alan-dershowitz-plagiarist-liar-and.html

    Big Oil’s Tree Huggers
    Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2011/02/big-oils-tree-huggers.html

    How corrupt is the Harvard Economics department, anyway? (And why are we philosophers so quiet?)

    http://www.newappsblog.com/2011/03/how-corrupt-is-the-harvard-economics-department-anyway-and-why-are-we-philosophers-so-quiet.html

    Ken Rogoff Loses It, Calls Criticism of Errors in Debt Paper a “Witch Hunt”

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/ken-rogoff-loses-it-calls-criticism-of-errors-in-debt-paper-a-witch-hunt.html

    The Curse Of Ken Rogoff—–The War On Cash Is A Prelude To Government Default And Wealth Seizure

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-curse-of-ken-rogoff-the-war-on-cash-is-a-prelude-to-government-default-and-wealth-seizure/

    Marty Peretz’s emptiness and the corruption of Harvard

    https://louisproyect.org/2010/09/21/marty-peretzs-emptiness-and-the-corruption-of-harvard/

    Harvard has named a professorship for Marty Peretz in Yiddish studies and proposes to honor him at a 50th anniversary of the Social Studies program this coming Saturday. 4 undergraduates have sent a pointed letter below, featuring three racist citations form Marty about Muslims, blacks and Chicanoes. That there is such a letter is a true and sad comment on Marty’s career, despite the largely purchased honors, and a deep one about Harvard. …

    Psychoprostitution

    https://www.citizen.org/our-work/health-and-safety/psychoprostitution

    Dr. Joseph Biederman, a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, has taken the pharmaceutical company corruption of psychiatry to new depths…..

    https://www.citizen.org/our-work/health-and-safety/psychoprostitution

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  168. More wanking by the usual jewish “supermen”. They need this kind of crap to justify their role as “chosen people”.

    The piddly little diffrences in “racial basis of IQ” that have been “shown” so far are so statistically tiny that they offer NO basis whatsoever for dealing with any individual human being.

    The most recent GWAS style studies indicate that hundreds of genes (>500) are “statisticlly related” to a very ambiguous trait labelled IQ. At only 2 variants per gene (in fact we know many genes with many more variants), there are already 2 to the power 500 different variants amongst those 500 genes. No matter how much “sample sizes” increase, there are not enough human beings in existence to do any statistics that would be meaningful at the individual level.

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    there are already 2 to the power 500 different variants amongst those 500 genes. No matter how much “sample sizes” increase, there are not enough human beings in existence to do any statistics that would be meaningful at the individual level.
     
    You do not need a population consisting of all possible variants (2^500) to derive and validate polygenic score function consisting of 500 SNPs. Yes, there is a possibility of overfitting and thus creating a false model but that's why validation is performed on a separate set. Let imagine I will come up with a model that links last names to SS# using 200 million people and this model may give entirely spurious correlation because of overfitting. But if the model was applied to another 50 million who were not in the original data set and if it worked then clearly you would have to recognize that this model would have some predictive power that is unlikely to be spurious. How unlikely? This is another territory where one can get fooled but it should be possible to get estimate of it.

    Now that question is whether GWAS people are really diligent and do all validation honestly before they report data. I would say that probably yes because so far they can only account for 7% of variance. W/o validating it is relatively easy to explain 100% of variance by overfitting.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    My #78 is a reply to you.
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  169. @Svigor

    The concern is that such research, no matter how well-intentioned, is located on a slippery slope that leads to the kinds of pseudoscientific arguments about biological difference that were used in the past to try to justify the slave trade, the eugenics movement and the Nazis’ murder of six million Jews.
     
    The six million non-Jews murdered in the holocaust are chopped liver once again. I'll skip the part where "anti-racist" leftism was used to justify the murder of 11 million Ukrainians before Hitler touched the hair on a single Jew's head.

    The argument is a fig leaf. If you don't want slave trades, then vilify slavery. If you don't want to force women into sterilization (as Israeli doctors were recently caught doing to black African women without their knowledge or consent) or euthanize retarded people, vilify those things. If you don't want genocide then vilify genocide (maybe start with the soft, slow, unacknowledged genocide of European peoples that is currently ongoing).

    I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”
     
    Genetic obscurantism and the delusion of human group cognitive equality (AKA, "anti-racism") are being used to justify racism; the practice of blaming all "black failure" on phantom white racism, "white privilege," etc.

    I am also worried that whatever discoveries are made — and we truly have no idea yet what they will be — will be cited as “scientific proof” that racist prejudices and agendas have been correct all along, and that those well-meaning people will not understand the science well enough to push back against these claims.
     
    Not knowing any science hasn't slowed them down so far.

    While most people will agree that finding a genetic explanation for an elevated rate of disease is important, they often draw the line there. Finding genetic influences on a propensity for disease is one thing, they argue, but looking for such influences on behavior and cognition is another.
     
    Cuz everybody knows dumb, impulsive people get better healthcare, take better care of themselves, and are less prone to injury, therefore behavior and cognition have nothing to do with health.

    To understand why it is so dangerous for geneticists and anthropologists to simply repeat the old consensus about human population differences
     
    To understand how dangerous "anti-racist" equalitarians are, consider that commies murdered over one hundred million civilians in the 20th century.

    “When are you guys going to figure out why it is that you Jews are so much smarter than everyone else?”
     
    When are you goys going to learn not to have such unguarded moments around Jews?

    What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.
     
    What makes leftists so invidious and dangerous is that they start with the tolerable notion that people should be treated equally by their governments, and then use that to leverage the unsupportable idea of human group cognitive equality, the intolerable practice of anti-freedom laws (AKA, "anti-discrimination" laws), collective white guilt for "black failure," murdering 100m+ people to bring about their politically-correct utopias, etc.

    P.S., Kato, we can discuss that in China, after you go back.

    Once again Steve Sailor censors my response to a post which made fake, unsupportable claims about the impossible ‘holocaust’.
    Sailor is fine with those who bring up the fake ‘holocaust’ narrative as long as those that do indicate a belief in it.
    Continued double standards from Steve Sailor.

    With those like Steve Sailor acting as gate keepers it’s no wonder that Eur0-white gentiles are in the fix that they are.

    Everyone, get off your knees.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Wally, are you lazy, lacking in imagination or incapacitated? Why not leave the keyboard for about a fortnight and spend it in a wheelchair travelling N and S in Manhattan, street by street, with a banner above you saying something like
    *** *** ***
    END THE 6 MILLION HOAX

    Brackets* The nos. don't compute * Brackets

    Queries and Crowdfunding to Wally.com

    *** *** ***
    *Let me get that crowdfunding idea going. Give me an account no. and I'll send the first dime*

    , @vinteuil
    So, Wally, Sailor (sic) has passed one of your spammy comments.

    Are you happy, now?
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  170. @Wizard of Oz
    As you might just possibly remember (because of a good memory rather than its importance) I first went into bat (right up to costing a famous broadcaster money for accusing me of supporting racists) during the 1970s visit of Eysenck and Jensen to give the Theodor Fink Memorial lectures/seminars in the Antipodes, but the math/verbal skew was not something I remember even as a question despite such experiences as looking at least 25 years ago at the photographs of all the post grad students in a Dean of Engineering's offices and noting that over 90 per cent were Asian. (At least 15 years ago I noticed that the smart Chinese boys at the leading academic private school here were boosting their scores by doing Latin for examination in their penultimate year! STEM could have been just a preference which matched China's opportunities. I note that New York Jews probably went for STEM before the generations for whom law was the natural choice).

    Those unimportant facts lead to something that has always interested me and I hope you might give attention to sometime (yours or that of someone suitable). That is how the use of non phonetic Chinese ideographs, not least the unsimplified forms, may have affected cognitive style or function of Chinese people over however many generations are relevant. And how many generations are relevant is itself a question given that the population was mostly illiterate until recent times.

    A related question was put to me by an elderly member of (from memory) the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences just as I was formulating the same question, namely how the great differences between European and Chinese languages may have affected the way the speakers respectively thought. (The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis comes imprecisely to mind). I shall read anything about that on UR with great interest.

    There is also the difference in the Eastern and Western musical preferences. Differences are differences. They may or may not be advantages.

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    Can you please elaborate on your first sentence. Though I have heard and enjoyed some Chinese and Indian music and song (themselves very different from one another) my memory tends to go first to great Asian (usually Han Chinese) prtformers of European music and the likes of the splendid Three Chinese Tenors!
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  171. @Okechukwu

    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for “cognition” “intelligence” “IQ” (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.
     
    Alright, then provide the evidence.

    Big hint. Your hopes, dreams and desires don't constitute evidence of anything. You're falling into the same trap as James Watson. He wanted it so badly that he stated it, hoping his authority would compensate for the total lack of any credible scientific evidence.

    Egalitarianist dogma is best dogma.

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  172. @bike-anarchist
    I would say that you are brainwashed into thinking there are races.
    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed "higher" or "superior" human's preconceptions.

    Did you read what Dr. Reich said about prostate cancer? Was he thus claiming that sub-Saharan Africans are inferior people to ethnic Europeans?

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  173. @hyperbola
    More wanking by the usual jewish "supermen". They need this kind of crap to justify their role as "chosen people".

    The piddly little diffrences in "racial basis of IQ" that have been "shown" so far are so statistically tiny that they offer NO basis whatsoever for dealing with any individual human being.

    The most recent GWAS style studies indicate that hundreds of genes (>500) are "statisticlly related" to a very ambiguous trait labelled IQ. At only 2 variants per gene (in fact we know many genes with many more variants), there are already 2 to the power 500 different variants amongst those 500 genes. No matter how much "sample sizes" increase, there are not enough human beings in existence to do any statistics that would be meaningful at the individual level.

    there are already 2 to the power 500 different variants amongst those 500 genes. No matter how much “sample sizes” increase, there are not enough human beings in existence to do any statistics that would be meaningful at the individual level.

    You do not need a population consisting of all possible variants (2^500) to derive and validate polygenic score function consisting of 500 SNPs. Yes, there is a possibility of overfitting and thus creating a false model but that’s why validation is performed on a separate set. Let imagine I will come up with a model that links last names to SS# using 200 million people and this model may give entirely spurious correlation because of overfitting. But if the model was applied to another 50 million who were not in the original data set and if it worked then clearly you would have to recognize that this model would have some predictive power that is unlikely to be spurious. How unlikely? This is another territory where one can get fooled but it should be possible to get estimate of it.

    Now that question is whether GWAS people are really diligent and do all validation honestly before they report data. I would say that probably yes because so far they can only account for 7% of variance. W/o validating it is relatively easy to explain 100% of variance by overfitting.

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  174. There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.

    It is false that anyone in the field of said study thinks that genetic differences are so similar so as to be meaningless. That is not the position of anything by anyone I have read. There has been the contend that the genetic difference is so small between people of varying skin colors, and the vast array of human societies so as to render meaningless that within the human species, it is valueless.

    That is not the same thing as indicating that genetics, even slight differences won’y have impact in individual humans so to cause variance, but such change would render anyone out of the human genome. Black, white, green, blue, or orange, are all human regardless of color.

    Whether genetics has a unique structure and more of it in any given society requires finding the sequence one sequences that determine what we understand as intelligence. That is a much tougher task. But since the advent of the Helix model by Crick, Watson and Franklin, the DNA structure, sequence, connections and any million other subtle or not so subtle bits and relations determine an unknown number of human behaviors. But modeling them is another matter. And while testing via different ethnic or human actual or artificially constructed groupings may be insightful. The discovery that among colorings of people their actual DNA “closeness” is not bound by color. The unique sequence for IQ may exist. Another question one would grapple with is whether that sequences is unique to whites. Actual tracking of DNA suggests that it wouldn’t as we now know that any white person could have more in common with any unique group of blacks anywhere than blacks that compose and particular community. If it does, the impact of environment remains a definitive unknown.

    If one could ignore all of the “racist” references

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/

    No question about the impact of genetic difference in the human species and its importance to all manner of human potential and deficiencies.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

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    In general, skin color is--at most--just a proxy for race. Koreans, for example, are as pale as we are, but nobody would say that we're of the same race as them. Likewise, in many countries (such as Turkey or Mexico) it is not uncommon for siblings born of the exact same two parents to have different skin tones. Yet these siblings would still be genetically more closely related to one another than they would be to another random Turk or Mexican who happened to have the same skin tone.

    At any rate, skin color is just one of several phenotypes classically used to differentiated the races; it is hardly the only one.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.
     
    May I assume that by "false narrative" you mean "2700 words of pure bullshit"?

    This essay is merde. Trollery for suckers and devotees.
    , @vinteuil
    Maybe you could submit this to the BBC's Pidgin service for translation into something more easily understandable by white proles?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    You are completely clueless to what you're rambling about.
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  175. @HallParvey
    There is also the difference in the Eastern and Western musical preferences. Differences are differences. They may or may not be advantages.

    Can you please elaborate on your first sentence. Though I have heard and enjoyed some Chinese and Indian music and song (themselves very different from one another) my memory tends to go first to great Asian (usually Han Chinese) prtformers of European music and the likes of the splendid Three Chinese Tenors!

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    In answer to your question it has seemed to me that the definition of natural notes differs between the East and West. For example, middle C on the piano keyboard is 261.626 cps. A, natural, is exactly 440 cps. Hertz if you prefer.

    12 notes up from middle C is tenor C. Its frequency is 523.251 cps. This is exactly double the frequency of middle C.

    There are of course multitudinous sharps and flats interspersed in between the natural notes and music makes use of almost all of them. The thing that makes them sharps or flats is that they seem to be "off" slightly to the ear.

    It has seemed to me that the notes defined as natural notes used by the musicians of the East and of the West differ somewhat in their frequencies. This preference is just one of the variables found in the human makeup. It in no way indicates a superiority or an inferiority, only difference.

    Difference is one of the requirements of evolution. If all are the same, all are affected by any detrimental environmental condition. If there are different, then maybe they survive.
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  176. @A Simple Truth
    Answer me something. Why is "race is a social construct" correct and the analog, "there is a social construct component to race" not more accurate. Genetics can drive traits that make particular social expressions more common, hence races tend toward different sociological tendencies. Isn't that the real truth and the reason sub-Sahara Africa is radically different than Europe or Asia?

    And “a social construct component to what we usually or often talk about when we refer to ‘race’ ” even more accurate? If only more time was taken up with pedantry and precision there would be less time for acrimony, would there not? :-)

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    @Wally
    Once again Steve Sailor censors my response to a post which made fake, unsupportable claims about the impossible 'holocaust'.
    Sailor is fine with those who bring up the fake 'holocaust' narrative as long as those that do indicate a belief in it.
    Continued double standards from Steve Sailor.

    With those like Steve Sailor acting as gate keepers it's no wonder that Eur0-white gentiles are in the fix that they are.

    Everyone, get off your knees.

    www.codoh.com

    Wally, are you lazy, lacking in imagination or incapacitated? Why not leave the keyboard for about a fortnight and spend it in a wheelchair travelling N and S in Manhattan, street by street, with a banner above you saying something like
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    Brackets* The nos. don’t compute * Brackets

    Queries and Crowdfunding to Wally.com

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  178. A “trait”? Rather a measurement (abstract but with practical applications and some explanatory power) that results from variations in several interacting and/or combining traits. Those traits are typically measurable physical characteristics.

    If the maths in the latter part of your post correctly implies that it will never be possible to say that in comparable environmental circumstances, A, with one set of IQ related alleles/SNPs, will predictably, with high probability, score at least 1 sd higher than B with a different set then I would like someone with the skills and patience to spell that out to the point of QED. I don’t ask that the obvious case be countered, i.e. retardation by chromosomal or other abnormalities like Downs Syndrome.

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  179. @Yan Shen
    Well personally I tend to think that if uh people read my work here at Unz, we could make a lot more progress towards understanding the world!

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    Imagine if my article became required reading before someone could graduate from high school, say.

    Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself, and Asians.

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  180. @Reg Cæsar


    Reich in NYT: "How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’"

     
    I saw "Reich", and immediately thought, Robert.

    But then, the last word in the headline would be "'Height'", wouldn't it?

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Robert+Reich+Inequality+Premieres+NYC+RWDatEqBdS-l.jpg

    I saw “Reich”, and immediately thought, Robert.

    I thought “Third”

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  181. @Okechukwu

    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)
     
    LOL. Absurd. This site has long past the point of being a font of idiotic, discredited and roundly debunked pseudo-"science".

    But, okay, I'll play along. I'm black and I have a big ass brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?


    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.
     
    Anybody that cites this study with a straight face is ironically too stupid for these discussions.

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.
     
    There are no white, black or Asian brains, genius. Name one credible neurologist or neurosurgeon who can identify "race" via human brains.

    I’m black and I have a big ass-brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?

    Maybe you’re related to Yakub?

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  182. @Jack D
    Jews is general were never geniuses. Jewish genius was (and is) largely confined to Ashkenazi Jews. Keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews have more European than Middle Eastern genes. You then take that mostly European group and conduct one of the rare eugenic natural experiments in history on it for several hundred years by forcing that group to live by its wits and not off the land. You then release them from the ghettos in which they have been confined for centuries, and viola, you have Einstein, etc. Jewish genius is real. In America, where they are 2% of the population, 25% of any high IQ selected group (Nobel Prize winners, chess champions, billionaires, etc.) is Jewish.

    A lot of claimed Jewish over-achievement is due to owning the engines of recognition, so probably due to other genes that have not been checked out yet. Like the propensity to lie. Some years ago if you googled Einstein plagiarist you got a load of evidence thst puts Einstein’s reputation in tatters. There is a clear case of a Harvard Jew, Glauber, who got the basic physics wrong and then quietly stole the core ideas of an Indian physicist, George Sudarshan, and got the Nobel prize anyway. If a serious researcher looked for more in that vein, I am sure the acknowledged achievements of Jews would come down by a significant amount.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/12/6/scientists-question-nobel-a-group-of/

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  184. @bike-anarchist
    I would say that you are brainwashed into thinking there are races.
    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed "higher" or "superior" human's preconceptions.

    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.

    Or in-breeding, as the case may be.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed “higher” or “superior” human’s preconceptions.

    ‘Superior’ and ‘inferior’ and like concepts are matters of opinion. Tell me: which breed of dog is the best? A border collie, a golden retriever or a doberman? Well that depends on what sort of dog you need: a sheep dog, a bird dog or a guard dog? No breed of dog is objectively ‘the’ best; they can only be evaluated relative to a specific, desired characteristic. (BTW, pretty much any breed of dog can mate with any other. So does that mean that no dog breeds exist at all? Of course not. It means that the various breeds are just subspecies rather than species.)

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  185. @EliteCommInc.
    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.


    It is false that anyone in the field of said study thinks that genetic differences are so similar so as to be meaningless. That is not the position of anything by anyone I have read. There has been the contend that the genetic difference is so small between people of varying skin colors, and the vast array of human societies so as to render meaningless that within the human species, it is valueless.

    That is not the same thing as indicating that genetics, even slight differences won'y have impact in individual humans so to cause variance, but such change would render anyone out of the human genome. Black, white, green, blue, or orange, are all human regardless of color.

    Whether genetics has a unique structure and more of it in any given society requires finding the sequence one sequences that determine what we understand as intelligence. That is a much tougher task. But since the advent of the Helix model by Crick, Watson and Franklin, the DNA structure, sequence, connections and any million other subtle or not so subtle bits and relations determine an unknown number of human behaviors. But modeling them is another matter. And while testing via different ethnic or human actual or artificially constructed groupings may be insightful. The discovery that among colorings of people their actual DNA "closeness" is not bound by color. The unique sequence for IQ may exist. Another question one would grapple with is whether that sequences is unique to whites. Actual tracking of DNA suggests that it wouldn't as we now know that any white person could have more in common with any unique group of blacks anywhere than blacks that compose and particular community. If it does, the impact of environment remains a definitive unknown.

    If one could ignore all of the "racist" references

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/


    No question about the impact of genetic difference in the human species and its importance to all manner of human potential and deficiencies.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

    In general, skin color is–at most–just a proxy for race. Koreans, for example, are as pale as we are, but nobody would say that we’re of the same race as them. Likewise, in many countries (such as Turkey or Mexico) it is not uncommon for siblings born of the exact same two parents to have different skin tones. Yet these siblings would still be genetically more closely related to one another than they would be to another random Turk or Mexican who happened to have the same skin tone.

    At any rate, skin color is just one of several phenotypes classically used to differentiated the races; it is hardly the only one.

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  186. @Lucas McCrudy
    "What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes."

    I'm sure what Reich is referring to when he says "-backed by no evidence- [Watson et al] know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes" he's referring to differences in average IQs amongst "races" ethnic or population "groups" -or whatever-term-you-happen-to-prefer.
    Except there is a lot of evidence that the genes for "cognition" "intelligence" "IQ" (again, whatever term you prefer but basically all synonymous) ARE distributed unequally amongst groups.
    A number 1- the pervasiveness, across generations, of racial/ethnic gaps in average IQ and how they also parallel racial differences in socio-economic status- Jews, Asians, whites, mestizos/amerinds and blacks. The higher average IQs and socioeconomic status' of Jews and Asians also cast doubt on the notion of "cultural bias" in IQ testing or white "racism" being a factor in both IQ differentials and socioeconomic standing.

    B number 2- The fact that "races" "subraces" "ethnic groups" -whatever- show different "Profiles" when it comes to their performances on IQ tests. For example, East Asians, Eskimos, and American Indians all have elevated visuospatial IQs -a unique trait among these 3 groups- and share a common ancestry. What in the "environment" would produce such a unique phenomenon if the genes for IQ WERE NOT disturbed unevenly amongst pop. groups?
    Jews have elevated verbal IQs relative to gentiles, and again, what would -besides genes- would cause such a phenomenon?

    Jews have elevated verbal IQs relative to gentiles, and again, what would -besides genes- would cause such a phenomenon?

    A phenomenon caused by comparing a population of 7,500 million with a population of 16 million.

    Oh, you mean “Ashkenazi Jews” and not “Jews”. So we have to shrink the above number and lose 6 million (sorry) Sephardis.

    We are not allowed to lop off our low performing ethnics to bring the average up.

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  187. @EliteCommInc.
    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.


    It is false that anyone in the field of said study thinks that genetic differences are so similar so as to be meaningless. That is not the position of anything by anyone I have read. There has been the contend that the genetic difference is so small between people of varying skin colors, and the vast array of human societies so as to render meaningless that within the human species, it is valueless.

    That is not the same thing as indicating that genetics, even slight differences won'y have impact in individual humans so to cause variance, but such change would render anyone out of the human genome. Black, white, green, blue, or orange, are all human regardless of color.

    Whether genetics has a unique structure and more of it in any given society requires finding the sequence one sequences that determine what we understand as intelligence. That is a much tougher task. But since the advent of the Helix model by Crick, Watson and Franklin, the DNA structure, sequence, connections and any million other subtle or not so subtle bits and relations determine an unknown number of human behaviors. But modeling them is another matter. And while testing via different ethnic or human actual or artificially constructed groupings may be insightful. The discovery that among colorings of people their actual DNA "closeness" is not bound by color. The unique sequence for IQ may exist. Another question one would grapple with is whether that sequences is unique to whites. Actual tracking of DNA suggests that it wouldn't as we now know that any white person could have more in common with any unique group of blacks anywhere than blacks that compose and particular community. If it does, the impact of environment remains a definitive unknown.

    If one could ignore all of the "racist" references

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/


    No question about the impact of genetic difference in the human species and its importance to all manner of human potential and deficiencies.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.

    May I assume that by “false narrative” you mean “2700 words of pure bullshit”?

    This essay is merde. Trollery for suckers and devotees.

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  188. @Wally
    Once again Steve Sailor censors my response to a post which made fake, unsupportable claims about the impossible 'holocaust'.
    Sailor is fine with those who bring up the fake 'holocaust' narrative as long as those that do indicate a belief in it.
    Continued double standards from Steve Sailor.

    With those like Steve Sailor acting as gate keepers it's no wonder that Eur0-white gentiles are in the fix that they are.

    Everyone, get off your knees.

    www.codoh.com

    So, Wally, Sailor (sic) has passed one of your spammy comments.

    Are you happy, now?

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  189. @Bardon Kaldian
    Not quite an argument. Sephardi Jews had been much more creative than Ashkenazim (Maimonides, ben Gibriol, Spinoza, Joseph Karo, Disraeli,..) over centuries. Then, over-representation does not mean much. How many inhabitants, and more- literate inhabitants, had Florence from 1300 to 1500? And yet, it produced Dante, Boccaccio, Brunelleschi, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Machiavelli, Galileo, ..which is a string of hardly surpassed real geniuses, the summits in their respective areas from literature & political philosophy to visual arts, architecture & astronomy and physics.

    All Nobel prizes pale in comparison with this.

    What were then these Florentines? Victims of "super-genius gene" contagion?

    Do some googling and you will find that there was always a Jewish connection. Cervantes and Shakespeare also are Jewish in internet.

    Jewish and Renaissance tour of Florence, Italy

    Boccaccio – Wrote “A Jew Converts to Christianity”

    Dante – Headline: Dante’s Debt to Judaism

    Leonardo – Headline: Leonardo da Vinci Artist, Humanist, Scientist, Jew

    Michelangelo – Headline: Book Review: Tracing Jewish influences on Michelangelo

    Machiavelli – Headline: What Machiavelli (A Secret Jew?) Learned From Moses?

    Galileo – Headline: Contacts between Galileo and Jacob Rosales (Manoel Bocarro Francês), a Seventeenth-Century Jewish Scientist

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    LOL. Yup, all a Jew has to do is SAY that Michelangelo was a Jew, and lo! it is made true.

    Yer crackin' me up. Isn't control of the US government enough? Must all lies be declared true as well?
    , @AaronB
    Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Machiavelli was Jewish :)
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  190. @EliteCommInc.
    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.


    It is false that anyone in the field of said study thinks that genetic differences are so similar so as to be meaningless. That is not the position of anything by anyone I have read. There has been the contend that the genetic difference is so small between people of varying skin colors, and the vast array of human societies so as to render meaningless that within the human species, it is valueless.

    That is not the same thing as indicating that genetics, even slight differences won'y have impact in individual humans so to cause variance, but such change would render anyone out of the human genome. Black, white, green, blue, or orange, are all human regardless of color.

    Whether genetics has a unique structure and more of it in any given society requires finding the sequence one sequences that determine what we understand as intelligence. That is a much tougher task. But since the advent of the Helix model by Crick, Watson and Franklin, the DNA structure, sequence, connections and any million other subtle or not so subtle bits and relations determine an unknown number of human behaviors. But modeling them is another matter. And while testing via different ethnic or human actual or artificially constructed groupings may be insightful. The discovery that among colorings of people their actual DNA "closeness" is not bound by color. The unique sequence for IQ may exist. Another question one would grapple with is whether that sequences is unique to whites. Actual tracking of DNA suggests that it wouldn't as we now know that any white person could have more in common with any unique group of blacks anywhere than blacks that compose and particular community. If it does, the impact of environment remains a definitive unknown.

    If one could ignore all of the "racist" references

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/


    No question about the impact of genetic difference in the human species and its importance to all manner of human potential and deficiencies.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

    Maybe you could submit this to the BBC’s Pidgin service for translation into something more easily understandable by white proles?

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  191. During the 1970s, Professor William Shockley (co-inventor of the transistor) was summarily ejected from the scientific community for publically stating what most people, including liberals, know to be true.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/william-shockley

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  192. @Clyde

    Harpending noted in his West Hunter blog with Greg Cochran that in typical African farming cultures, where weeding is done more with hoes than plows, black women tend to work harder than black men.
     
    Can this simply be because women's backs are more resilient for constant bending a bit up and down in hoeing, weeding and cultivating vegetables, tubers, etc.? I always hear about men with bad backs but rarely women.

    Perhaps it escaped your notice, but a rather high percentage of white males also suffer from bad backs.

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  193. what a piece of smooth and snazzy tripe. you people need to do some real work and stop this nonsense.

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  194. @utu
    Do some googling and you will find that there was always a Jewish connection. Cervantes and Shakespeare also are Jewish in internet.

    Jewish and Renaissance tour of Florence, Italy
     
    Boccaccio - Wrote "A Jew Converts to Christianity"

    Dante - Headline: Dante's Debt to Judaism

    Leonardo - Headline: Leonardo da Vinci Artist, Humanist, Scientist, Jew

    Michelangelo - Headline: Book Review: Tracing Jewish influences on Michelangelo

    Machiavelli - Headline: What Machiavelli (A Secret Jew?) Learned From Moses?

    Galileo - Headline: Contacts between Galileo and Jacob Rosales (Manoel Bocarro Francês), a Seventeenth-Century Jewish Scientist

    LOL. Yup, all a Jew has to do is SAY that Michelangelo was a Jew, and lo! it is made true.

    Yer crackin’ me up. Isn’t control of the US government enough? Must all lies be declared true as well?

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    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
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  195. @utu
    Do some googling and you will find that there was always a Jewish connection. Cervantes and Shakespeare also are Jewish in internet.

    Jewish and Renaissance tour of Florence, Italy
     
    Boccaccio - Wrote "A Jew Converts to Christianity"

    Dante - Headline: Dante's Debt to Judaism

    Leonardo - Headline: Leonardo da Vinci Artist, Humanist, Scientist, Jew

    Michelangelo - Headline: Book Review: Tracing Jewish influences on Michelangelo

    Machiavelli - Headline: What Machiavelli (A Secret Jew?) Learned From Moses?

    Galileo - Headline: Contacts between Galileo and Jacob Rosales (Manoel Bocarro Francês), a Seventeenth-Century Jewish Scientist

    Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if Machiavelli was Jewish :)

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  196. @Steve Gittelson
    LOL. Yup, all a Jew has to do is SAY that Michelangelo was a Jew, and lo! it is made true.

    Yer crackin' me up. Isn't control of the US government enough? Must all lies be declared true as well?

    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

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    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
     
    Oh yeah, par for the course. Propaganda is necessary to protect the feudal estates from ordinary people.

    Historically, it eventually breaks. One can assume the Deep State/Israel is taking pains to cover every base possible, to keep dominion for as long as possible. Maybe it won't break this time, after all.
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  197. @utu
    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

    Oh yeah, par for the course. Propaganda is necessary to protect the feudal estates from ordinary people.

    Historically, it eventually breaks. One can assume the Deep State/Israel is taking pains to cover every base possible, to keep dominion for as long as possible. Maybe it won’t break this time, after all.

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  198. @Bardon Kaldian
    Uhhh...two casual remarks (actually, old stuff):

    a) which is the difference, percentage-wise, between males & females of the same species/race? If less than 10% (and it certainly is), do you claim that males & females are basically "the same"?

    b) are Jews "smarter"? I mean something more substantial than street-smart or similar. They have been over-represented in some areas in past 150 years, but their history is, if we take Davidic kingdom seriously, 3000 years long. During these 3000 years much more creative populations have flourished (Greeks 700 BC-200 BC, Florentine Italians 1300-1600, Germans 1750-1940, ..), while Jews remained a functioning & stubbornly ethno-centric, but nevertheless backward group (hence Voltaire's, Kant's & Goethe's sometimes harsh remarks). Those European groups created immensely more than Jews, even if we include Hebrew Bible as the masterpiece of Western literature.

    So, enough with Jewish "genius" adulation. To acknowledge one's ability one need not overblow it unrealistically..

    Whatever else can said about the Jews, their ‘intelligence’ did not enable the race, despite its antiquity, to create a viable nation state over the millennia of its existence. The insertion of their kind of viral ’genome’ into critical parts of the DNA of, first, European states and then the USA, can be seen as parasitic in a biological sense.

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  199. @hyperbola
    More wanking by the usual jewish "supermen". They need this kind of crap to justify their role as "chosen people".

    The piddly little diffrences in "racial basis of IQ" that have been "shown" so far are so statistically tiny that they offer NO basis whatsoever for dealing with any individual human being.

    The most recent GWAS style studies indicate that hundreds of genes (>500) are "statisticlly related" to a very ambiguous trait labelled IQ. At only 2 variants per gene (in fact we know many genes with many more variants), there are already 2 to the power 500 different variants amongst those 500 genes. No matter how much "sample sizes" increase, there are not enough human beings in existence to do any statistics that would be meaningful at the individual level.

    My #78 is a reply to you.

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  200. @Wizard of Oz
    Can you please elaborate on your first sentence. Though I have heard and enjoyed some Chinese and Indian music and song (themselves very different from one another) my memory tends to go first to great Asian (usually Han Chinese) prtformers of European music and the likes of the splendid Three Chinese Tenors!

    In answer to your question it has seemed to me that the definition of natural notes differs between the East and West. For example, middle C on the piano keyboard is 261.626 cps. A, natural, is exactly 440 cps. Hertz if you prefer.

    12 notes up from middle C is tenor C. Its frequency is 523.251 cps. This is exactly double the frequency of middle C.

    There are of course multitudinous sharps and flats interspersed in between the natural notes and music makes use of almost all of them. The thing that makes them sharps or flats is that they seem to be “off” slightly to the ear.

    It has seemed to me that the notes defined as natural notes used by the musicians of the East and of the West differ somewhat in their frequencies. This preference is just one of the variables found in the human makeup. It in no way indicates a superiority or an inferiority, only difference.

    Difference is one of the requirements of evolution. If all are the same, all are affected by any detrimental environmental condition. If there are different, then maybe they survive.

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  201. @Seamus Padraig

    I prefer to look at large collections of certain phenotypes as being of an ethnicity based on environment and interbreeding.
     
    Or in-breeding, as the case may be.

    Any XY human can breed with any XX human. Any other differences, like race, are categorized by those that perceive differences as having an effect on the manufactured hierarchy of a supposed “higher” or “superior” human’s preconceptions.
     
    'Superior' and 'inferior' and like concepts are matters of opinion. Tell me: which breed of dog is the best? A border collie, a golden retriever or a doberman? Well that depends on what sort of dog you need: a sheep dog, a bird dog or a guard dog? No breed of dog is objectively 'the' best; they can only be evaluated relative to a specific, desired characteristic. (BTW, pretty much any breed of dog can mate with any other. So does that mean that no dog breeds exist at all? Of course not. It means that the various breeds are just subspecies rather than species.)

    You do realize that by openly observing that there are differences in dogs, you are in serious danger of being shunned by the gatekeepers of political correctness. You could become an “Unperson”.

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    There are no genetic differences between dogs.

    Proof: There are more genetic differences within individual poodles and within Great Danes than there are genetic differences between poodles and Great Danes.

    Conclusion: Therefore there are no genetic differences between various groups of dogs. A dog is a dog is a dog.

    And if you do not believe this is true, you are the worst kind of racist--a dogist.

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  202. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    "Part of the problem?"

    I thought we were the Problem.

    What's next? Stop publishing the white authors who were published over the rejected black authors? That's already happening.

    Anyway, like television, most fiction is published for and by woke women now, so there shouldn't be a Problem going forward.

    Like television, most fiction is published for and by woke women now, so there shouldn’t be a Problem going forward.

    Next you’ll be insisting that the deaths of the very last victim and/or jailer of the Holocaust will close the book at last on the caterwauling-for-profit it had engendered all these years.

    So long as “wypipo” – and their money – exist, even in rapidly-diminishing numbers, there will always always always be a Problem going forward.

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  203. @HallParvey
    You do realize that by openly observing that there are differences in dogs, you are in serious danger of being shunned by the gatekeepers of political correctness. You could become an "Unperson".

    There are no genetic differences between dogs.

    Proof: There are more genetic differences within individual poodles and within Great Danes than there are genetic differences between poodles and Great Danes.

    Conclusion: Therefore there are no genetic differences between various groups of dogs. A dog is a dog is a dog.

    And if you do not believe this is true, you are the worst kind of racist–a dogist.

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    Guilty as charged. I note that some dogs are good at basketball. Others can run really fast. Some are proficient in higher math and some are really good at manipulating the opinion of other dogs. Why this is so is a deep mystery.

    These are, of course, just amateur observations and completely without University Scientific Sanction, and therefore useless in the modern world.
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  204. the race of people who cut the foreskin off a baby’s penis are clearly more brilliant than the race that doesn’t…also, the race that invents and uses weapons of mass destruction is really smart while the race that practices non-violence is obviously stupid.

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  205. This article touches on something I’ve wondered for some time. What is the degree of genetic difference among various white ethnic groups (Scandinavians, Mediterraneans, Slavs, Anglos, etc.) compared to the difference between whites, blacks and Asians? How about the difference between Jews (whom most people count as white, but many do not) and the others? Can anyone cite studies which bear on this?

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    I think this graphic from http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/genetic-variation-within-africa-and-the-world
    does a decent job of conveying part of that. It is important to note (as Razib does):
    For panel A, PC1 = 20% of the variance, PC2 = 5%, and PC3 = 3.5%. For panel B, PC1 = 11%, PC2 = 6%, PC3 = 5% and PC4 = 4%.

    What that means is that for panel A (global) visual variation on PC1 (more or less the Europe/Africa dimension) is 4x as large as it appears relative to PC2 variation (and about 5.5x for PC1 vs. PC3).

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/08/3DPCA.png

    This paper also breaks out Jews: The population genetics of the Jewish people
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/
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  206. Reich shouldn’t have thrown Watson under the bus, but lets also think about what he has achieved here. A Harvard geneticist has published an article in the NEW YORK TIMES telling the truth about race and HBD and laying out the intellectual foundations of HBD. It sure makes a nice change to the usual clueless anthropologists being trotted out to say there is no biological basis to race. I couldn’t imagine this article getting into a major left wing broadsheet even two years ago. The tide is turning.

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  207. Reich was wrong to throw Watson under the bus, but lets also think about what he achieved by getting the truth of race and HBD and the foundations of HBD into the NEW YORK TIMES. This wouldn’t have been possible just a couple of years ago. It makes a nice change to the usual clueless anthropologists bullshitting people. The tide is turning.

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  208. @lavoisier
    There are no genetic differences between dogs.

    Proof: There are more genetic differences within individual poodles and within Great Danes than there are genetic differences between poodles and Great Danes.

    Conclusion: Therefore there are no genetic differences between various groups of dogs. A dog is a dog is a dog.

    And if you do not believe this is true, you are the worst kind of racist--a dogist.

    Guilty as charged. I note that some dogs are good at basketball. Others can run really fast. Some are proficient in higher math and some are really good at manipulating the opinion of other dogs. Why this is so is a deep mystery.

    These are, of course, just amateur observations and completely without University Scientific Sanction, and therefore useless in the modern world.

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  209. @Rex Little
    This article touches on something I've wondered for some time. What is the degree of genetic difference among various white ethnic groups (Scandinavians, Mediterraneans, Slavs, Anglos, etc.) compared to the difference between whites, blacks and Asians? How about the difference between Jews (whom most people count as white, but many do not) and the others? Can anyone cite studies which bear on this?

    I think this graphic from http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/genetic-variation-within-africa-and-the-world
    does a decent job of conveying part of that. It is important to note (as Razib does):
    For panel A, PC1 = 20% of the variance, PC2 = 5%, and PC3 = 3.5%. For panel B, PC1 = 11%, PC2 = 6%, PC3 = 5% and PC4 = 4%.

    What that means is that for panel A (global) visual variation on PC1 (more or less the Europe/Africa dimension) is 4x as large as it appears relative to PC2 variation (and about 5.5x for PC1 vs. PC3).

    This paper also breaks out Jews: The population genetics of the Jewish people

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

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  210. @EliteCommInc.
    There is a fundamental false narrative here. I say fundamental because it forms the baisis for the overall case about the value and response to genetics.


    It is false that anyone in the field of said study thinks that genetic differences are so similar so as to be meaningless. That is not the position of anything by anyone I have read. There has been the contend that the genetic difference is so small between people of varying skin colors, and the vast array of human societies so as to render meaningless that within the human species, it is valueless.

    That is not the same thing as indicating that genetics, even slight differences won'y have impact in individual humans so to cause variance, but such change would render anyone out of the human genome. Black, white, green, blue, or orange, are all human regardless of color.

    Whether genetics has a unique structure and more of it in any given society requires finding the sequence one sequences that determine what we understand as intelligence. That is a much tougher task. But since the advent of the Helix model by Crick, Watson and Franklin, the DNA structure, sequence, connections and any million other subtle or not so subtle bits and relations determine an unknown number of human behaviors. But modeling them is another matter. And while testing via different ethnic or human actual or artificially constructed groupings may be insightful. The discovery that among colorings of people their actual DNA "closeness" is not bound by color. The unique sequence for IQ may exist. Another question one would grapple with is whether that sequences is unique to whites. Actual tracking of DNA suggests that it wouldn't as we now know that any white person could have more in common with any unique group of blacks anywhere than blacks that compose and particular community. If it does, the impact of environment remains a definitive unknown.

    If one could ignore all of the "racist" references

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/


    No question about the impact of genetic difference in the human species and its importance to all manner of human potential and deficiencies.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

    You are completely clueless to what you’re rambling about.

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  211. @Whiskey
    I don't get a Jewish conspiracy because the West looking like the Dominican Republic best case and Sudan worst case is not good for Jews. Refugees on the St Louis rather preferred Hitler and death to Trujillo and life.

    I suspect that, to the extent that the Jews are behind the decline of the West, they don’t believe that what they’re doing is creating Third World hellholes. I imagine that they believe that creating paradise on Earth.

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  212. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:

    I spent the first 14 years of my life in either small rural towns
    (populations about , say, 350 ) or on nearby farms. Before the
    advent of the birth control pill–notwithstanding disciplined use of
    condoms/ of safe days allocations, etc.–it was hardly surprising
    to encounter homes of five or six children –sometimes ten or twelve–
    amidst dogs, cows, hogs, horses, etc. Most of the adults so situated had grown up in
    the same circumstances. No one thought twice about the notion
    that genes were important shaping influences in the lives of children,
    as they manifestly were in the breeding of pets and livestock. Self
    evident. A metropolitan bubble world works wonders in breeding
    mass delusions.

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  213. @Okechukwu

    Brain size data shows that African brains are smaller than European brains. We know that brain size is correlated with intelligence both within races and between them (Asian > White > Black, and IQ scores fall into the same order**)
     
    LOL. Absurd. This site has long past the point of being a font of idiotic, discredited and roundly debunked pseudo-"science".

    But, okay, I'll play along. I'm black and I have a big ass brain. So all the white people I encounter that have smaller brains are beneath me in intelligence?


    Also, there was the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.
     
    Anybody that cites this study with a straight face is ironically too stupid for these discussions.

    ** White brains are smaller than Asian in relative terms, but actually larger in absolute terms.
     
    There are no white, black or Asian brains, genius. Name one credible neurologist or neurosurgeon who can identify "race" via human brains.

    http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)00671-5.pdf

    Modeling the 3D Geometry of the Cortical Surface
    with Genetic Ancestry

    Fan et al. show that human cortical
    surface robustly predicts an individual’s
    genetic ancestry despite that populations
    have been shaped by waves of migrations
    and admixture events. For each
    continental ancestry, the regional
    patterns of cortical folding and
    gyrification are unique and complex.

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  214. @a reader
    A similar phenomenon occurs during the carrying of water on long distances: even regular size containers of water laid on the head might occasionally induce some headaches, to which men are much more prone than women.

    men have more headaches? There is one sort called cluster headaches, very bad, which affect men. Migraines affect mostly women. I don’t know which are more common, but I believe it’s migraines. However, clusters are, on the average, worse. At least that’s what one cluster-headache sufferer, an Irisman who participated in medical studies, told me.

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