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From Twitter recently:

And so forth and so on, ad infinitum

Looking at all these conflicting maps of the X Number of Regions of the United States, I am reminded that Science has proven that Region Does Not Exist!

Or at least the arguments for why Race Does Not Exist apply even better to the concept of Region … Yet, nobody cares.

 
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  1. bicycle says:

    I think its pretty obvious that Matt Yglacias’ tweet was about the 12 regions of the Federal Reserve. The map even has the Federal Reserve Cities labeled, and DC marked as “Board of Governors.”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  2. Barnard says:

    Why did Ygelsias think tweeting a map of the 12 Federal Reserve districts qualifies as a joke?

    I would say the cultural regions map is pretty accurate.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  3. I read The Nine Nations of North America back 30 years ago and really enjoyed it. Things have changed so much due to immigration since then, that I don’t know if Joel Garreau’s definitions even apply anymore. I can tell you that this Conn Caroll’s map is an unimaginative bland POS. The others are fun. What in hell’s wrong with some diversity anyway, right?

    There are South Carolina theme maps based on types of barbecue sauce, vinegar-based, mustard-based, and ketchup-based. Don’t worry about it – you can get good BBQ anywhere within SC’s borders, except where you see Dunkin Donuts (that’s where the Yanquis have infiltrated).

  4. Cuban meth gators are real. They break into your house to steal your Robitussin to make the methamphetamine:

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Father O'Hara
  5. Lex says:

    If some kind of affirmative action or other goodies depended on regions people would care.

  6. What Corell’s map reminds me of, per Peak Stupidity’s handy pocket guide to the new PC names for peoples of the world, is the bland “South Pacific Islanders” and “Subcontinentals” (what’s wrong with “Incontinentals” instead?) and such. It’s all just geography without the human factor, straight out of Oceania.

  7. ujkf says:

    You can do that with almost any classification system. You could provie day and night don’t exist, or color (what is the line between red and orange?). In practice, this kind of rigor is only applied to race.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  8. RAZ says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Nine Nations is a great book. Read it again just a few years ago and it seemed remarkably current.

    Think Garreau was also the one who defined “Edge City”. Not a traditional older city like NY or SF with a big central downtown, but a newer postwar creation of areas in the suburbs or exurbs often clustered around where interstate highways converge and built up with house, office parks, etc. Think Anaheim, counties north of Atlanta, etc.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Tim
  9. Jack D says:

    The one labeled “Cultural Regions” is most correct but you end up with 36 regions, which is a lot to remember. But some of the others are just plain wrong. For example, New Jersey has always been two regions in one small state from colonial days to the present – the Northern (Eastern) region attached to NY and Southern(Western)NJ attached to Philadelphia. In some of the other maps, they attach all of NJ to Virginia, which is wrong, or else they attach it all to New England, which is wrong too.

  10. the arguments for why Race Does not Exist apply even better to the concept of Region

    “There is only one Region: the Human Region!”

    You are a bigot to say otherwise. Consider: all the so-called “Regions” are mostly the same. They all have people, and dirt, and trees, etc.

    The fact that New England and the Deep South share all these qualities proves scientifically that there is nothing of value to be gained by thinking of them as different places.

    Besides, think of all the conflicts that have happened because people thought their so-called “Region” was better or different.

    Geography is just a social construct. And we must therefore vanquish “Regionism” for the good of all. Thus, Regions cannot actually exist.

  11. BenKenobi says:

    There’s only 3 regions in the United States: Cola, Soda, and Pop.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  12. Speaking of ‘science’, the facial expression on Greta Thunberg’s face at the exact moment she saw Donald Trump walk in, is quite priceless

    As all these ‘climate change advocate’ people shout about ‘Science!’, what I can’t help but think of – aside from things like the 2009 ‘ClimateGate’ scandal at the University of East Anglia, ‘scientists’ hiding data to get their ‘global warming money’ –

    Is the gent in Thomas Dolby’s classic video, shouting, “Science!”

  13. Ano says:

    If the US does break up because of the Scramble for America, I’m less interested in all the talk of the Reconquista, or Calexit, or Texas succession, or the Black Republic of Amerika (under Big Chief Keith Ellison), and more interested in the possibility of the formation of micro-states (or even city-states- say a Singaporian San Francisco).

    Somebody once told me the coolest job-title ever was Republic of Texas ambassador to the Kingdom of Montenegro.

    Could the day come when Mr Sailer is appointed His Excellency, Ambassador to the court of the Principality of Malibu?

  14. Art Deco says:

    As an alternative, I’d suggest that each of the most populous 15 or 20 cities is pretty much its own place, with ‘regions’ properly applied to more provincial areas. New England, Rustbelt, Plains, the Mountain and Desert Zone, the Pacific Coast, the Deep South, the Inland and Upland South, Peninsular Florida, the Coastal South &c.

    • Replies: @Hail
  15. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s a great book, very informative and in many regards still quite relevant.

  16. Dtbb says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    He was after wine. The lady homeowner has had her supply replenished by strangers on the internet. She also got her windows fixed for free by a local contractor. Warms the heart.

  17. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    My DVD player tells me that it and I are in Region 1. I believe it, and that settles it.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  18. Hail says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    each of the most populous 15 or 20 cities is pretty much its own place

    Detach the biggest metro areas; form then into city-states, separate from full-on states.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @reactionry
  19. Hjh says:
    @Jack D

    A lot of sports allegiances still rely on the old over the air antenna reception.

    North Jersey says Cold Cuts, Taylor Ham and American Cheese is Orange. People go to the Shore no further South than Long Beach Island (except for AC).

    South Jersey says Lunch Meat, Pork Roll and American Cheese is White. South Jersey people go miles out of their way to South of AC to go to the Shore. Even South Jersey folks who could get to Belmar in an hour, insist on going to Wildwood or “Stowwwn” Harbor 2 1/2 hours south to be near culturally Philly people.

    Central NJ is a weird cultural place because of the blurry border-line and Trenton is a culturally devoid place because of it.

  20. bomag says:

    Isn’t NYC supposed to cover, like, 2/3 of the country?

    • Replies: @anon
  21. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    The one labeled “Cultural Regions” is most correct but you end up with 36 regions, which is a lot

    The Holy Roman Empire had 300 (small, sovereign entities and assorted statelets);

    Europe excluding Russia, today, has 45 states and 600 million people.

  22. The cultural regions map (last one) is extremely accurate. Any map that doesn’t separate the Gulf Coast, the Deep South (60s civil rights conflict zone, basically), and Appalachia is crap.

  23. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ano

    more interested in the possibility of the formation of micro-states (or even city-states- say a Singaporian San Francisco).

    Or a San Franciscan Sarajevo!

    Lolbertarians are always funny to read.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  24. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Pretty much.

    • LOL: Hail
  25. The best part of Richard Linklater’s pretty good film Bernie was the good ol’ boy at the diner breaking Texas down to its constituent regions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmIqRcglvE

    • Replies: @RAZ
  26. Dr. X says:

    The second and fifth maps seem to be quite accurate to me… whereas the first and third are grossly inaccurate.

    West Virginia, an “Atlantic” state? C’mon…

    • Replies: @scipioafricanus
  27. @bicycle

    The federal government has 10 regions, not 12. Don’t know about the Fed.

    Matt Yglacias is still a dumbass who got punked by the Polar Bear Game and then wrote about how he deserved it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @istevefan
  28. Tiny Duck says:

    You guys are losing

    Trump is about to be impeached because of Ukraine shenanigans

    Lily Singh has a hit late night show

    • Replies: @anon
  29. @BenKenobi

    No. Just two: pin and pen. Or you and y’all.

    • Replies: @Uncle Remus
    , @Hibernian
  30. Anon[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ano

    the possibility of the formation of micro-states (or even city-states- say a Singaporian San Francisco).

    I reread Neil Stephenson’s Snow Crash recently for the first time since it came out over 35 years ago. I had forgotten what it was about. I was amused to read its description of a fragmented U.S. with semiautonomous franchised microstates on the level of gated communities. For example, Chinese Americans and people who share their values have their own enclaves.

    Kurt Schlichter’s lighthearted People’s Republic depicts a U.S. where the left and right coasts split from the middle, and within the coastal areas things start to divide up into giant “gated communities,” with one centered around Westwood, sort of like a fenced in and secured version of the West L.A. Orthodox Jewish Shabbat eruv. Workers and support staff cross the border each day to perform the work that the residents don’t want to do. It’s funny, but not completely outside the realm of possibility, in some form or another.

  31. Or at least the arguments for why Race Does Not Exist apply even better to the concept of Region … Yet, nobody cares.

    What about neighborhoods? For many Americans not so long ago, their neighborhood was their universe, and people a few blocks away were alien beings to be both marveled at and reviled.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. @Hail

    I agree that the 36 regions map is pretty good.

    I was having the same thought: 36 regions for the USA corresponds pretty well to the number of countries in Europe.

    I thought it might be interesting to see if there are some regional maps like this for some other big countries, i.e. India and China. And there are. I’ll put them below a break.

    [MORE]

    Here is one for India that breaks the country down by language family:

    But then it gets complicated when you try to break it down into cultural subgroups:

    Here’s a map of the traditional cultural regions of China:

    Someone’s done a ‘Nine Nations’ of China map here:

  33. There’s more variation within Regions than between, therefore Region is an invalid concept.

    Experts all agree that Region is a Social Construct with no Scientific merit.

    Discussions of differences in Regional tendencies are tired, outdated, and Regionalist.

    Implicit Regional-Bias and Northeastern Privilege are systemic, pervasive, and permanently disadvantage the other Regions.

    Decades ago, bad people used primitive methods to elucidate and describe various distinguishing features of different Regions; for that reason, we all now know that studying Regions is Not Ok.

    The whole idea of Regions has long been discredited, but Geographic Areas – on the other hand – are a perfectly sensible subject and a useful tool.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  34. @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed about “Nine Nations.” Very thought provoking. I think that Garreau’s projections still hold up, notwithstanding the immigration (which is still concentrated in the large metro areas), although I agree that could change with time. A tantalizing possibility is an eventual merger between the central and western provinces of Canada on the one hand with the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho on the other. As an economic entity at least that section of North America is almost a singularity.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  35. @Achmed E. Newman

    “There are South Carolina theme maps based on types of barbecue sauce, vinegar-based, mustard-based, and ketchup-based. Don’t worry about it – you can get good BBQ anywhere within SC’s borders, except where you see Dunkin Donuts (that’s where the Yanquis have infiltrated).”

    In North Carolina the divide is east-west: tomato- v. vinegar-based sauces. You’re correct; any Southern BBQ joint is going to satisfy.

  36. Jake says:

    “Or at least the arguments for why Race Does Not Exist apply even better to the concept of Region … Yet, nobody cares.”

    Yes they do, when they (being Progressives/Liberals/Leftists) see ‘region’ as marking culture that is not historically for Pregressivism/Liberalism/Leftism.

    For example, the academic Left began denying there was any meaningful such thing as ‘the South’ in the 1970s. You can’t be guilty of hating a culture that does not exist because the ‘region’ from which it emerged is declared not to exist.

    That is the reason, for example, that in official UK documents starting in the 18th century, after the Scottish parliament was dissolved, there was no mention of Scotland – instead, there was North Britain.

  37. AP says:

    OT but the Wall Street Journal had an article about Africans involved in the slave trade (to complement the NY Times 1619 project, I suppose):

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595

    I wonder how many legacies of these African traders got into US universities and benefited form AA policies?

    When the Slave Traders Were African
    Those whose ancestors sold slaves to Europeans now struggle to come to terms with a painful legacy

    [MORE]

    Records from the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, directed by historian David Eltis at Emory University, show that the majority of captives brought to the U.S. came from Senegal, Gambia, Congo and eastern Nigeria. Europeans oversaw this brutal traffic in human cargo, but they had many local collaborators. “The organization of the slave trade was structured to have the Europeans stay along the coast lines, relying on African middlemen and merchants to bring the slaves to them,” said Toyin Falola, a Nigerian professor of African studies at the University of Texas at Austin. “The Europeans couldn’t have gone into the interior to get the slaves themselves.”

    The anguished debate over slavery in the U.S. is often silent on the role that Africans played. That silence is echoed in many African countries, where there is hardly any national discussion or acknowledgment of the issue. From nursery school through university in Nigeria, I was taught about great African cultures and conquerors of times past but not about African involvement in the slave trade. In an attempt to reclaim some of the dignity that we lost during colonialism, Africans have tended to magnify stories of a glorious past of rich traditions and brave achievement.

    But there are other, less discussed chapters of our history. When I was growing up, my father Chukwuma Nwaubani spoke glowingly of my great-grandfather, Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku, a chief among our Igbo ethnic group who sold slaves in the 19th century. “He was respected by everyone around,” he said. “Even the white people respected him.” From the 16th to the 19th centuries, an estimated 1.4 million Igbo people were transported across the Atlantic as slaves.

    Some families have chosen to hide similar histories. “We speak of it in whispers,” said Yunus Mohammed Rafiq, a 44-year-old professor of anthropology from Tanzania who now teaches at New York University’s center in Shanghai. In the 19th century, Mr. Rafiq’s great-great-great-grandfather, Mwarukere, from the Segeju ethnic group, raided villages in Tanzania’s hinterland, sold the majority of his captives to the Arab merchants who supplied Europeans and kept the rest as laborers on his own coconut plantations. Although Mr. Rafiq’s relatives speak of Mwarukere with pride, they expunged his name from family documents sometime in the 1960s, shortly after Tanzania gained independence from British colonial rule, when it was especially sensitive to remind Africans of their role in enslaving one another.

    The need to keep his family’s history secret intensified after Mr. Rafiq left home in his 20s to study at Indiana University and then at Yale and Brown for graduate work. “Truthfully, with my African-American colleagues, I never revealed this aspect,” he said. “Because of the crimes, the pain, the humiliation that I saw them suffer in the United States, I thought talking about this legacy of Africans selling themselves is just piling another wound in a body that is already very shot through, fractured, broken down by other things.” He decided instead to highlight the beauty of Tanzanian music, architecture and poetry and, at Indiana, worked with the black students’ union to organize events that would build bonds to Africa. “Knowing this legacy and what we have done, it put so much pressure on me,” he said.

    Like Mr. Rafiq, I also felt apprehensive before deciding to write about my own family’s history. I live in Nigeria but have extended family all over the U.S. How would black Americans respond to the descendants of a man who sold some of their ancestors into slavery? And if my own background was tainted with inhumanity, what authority would I have to lend my voice to the human rights issues in Nigeria and around Africa that cause me such grave concern?

    Some families feel no qualms about publicizing their own history. “I’m not ashamed of it because I personally wasn’t directly involved,” said 58-year-old Donald Duke, a lawyer who ran for president in Nigeria’s 2019 elections. He is from the port town of Calabar, home to the Efik ethnic group of Nigeria’s Cross River state. In the 18th century, some 1.2 million slaves were sold through Calabar, according to the Tulane University historian Randy J. Sparks. The Efik were mostly stevedores and middlemen. They negotiated prices between the white traders and their African partners from the hinterlands, then collected royalties. “Families like mine benefited from that process,” Mr. Duke told me.

    Mr. Duke was elected governor of Cross River state in 1999, and his administration built the Slave History Museum near the point on the coast from which slaves were shipped. One of its exhibitions depicts various currencies of the slave trade, such as flutes, Dane guns and brass bells. “It is not a glorious past, but it is the truth,” Mr. Duke said. “That is why I went out to document it.”

    The Zambian pastor Saidi Francis Chishimba also feels the need to go public with his family’s history. “In Zambia, in a sense, it is a forgotten history,” said the 45-year-old. “But it is a reality to which history still holds us accountable.” Mr. Chishimba’s grandfather, Ali Saidi Muluwe Wansimba, was from a tribe of slave traders of the Bemba kingdom, who moved from Zanzibar to establish slave markets in Zambia. He grew up hearing this history narrated with great pride by his relatives.

    My own family held a similar intervention in January 2018, organized by my father, who, at 79, is the oldest male and head of the extended family. Members of the Nwaubani family in Nigeria and around the world participated in the three days of prayer and fasting. On the final day, a few dozen who lived nearby gathered in my father’s home, then accompanied him to the local Anglican Church, where a priest invoked God’s mercies on us. In December, my father organized another ceremony. Hundreds of family members who were home for the Christmas holidays joined in the thanksgiving service. This time, we dressed in our Sunday best and danced merrily to the altar to present a special money offering as a token of gratitude to God for granting us a new beginning.

    Still, my father does not believe that the descendants of those who took part in the slave trade should now pay for those wrongs. As he points out, buying and selling human beings had been part of many African cultures, as a form of serfdom, long before the first white people landed on our shores. And though many families still retain the respect and influence accrued by their slave-trading ancestors, the direct material gains have petered out over time. “If anyone asks me for reparations,” he said sarcastically, “I will tell them to follow me to my backyard so that I can pluck some money from the tree there and give it to them.”

    Mr. Chishimba takes a similar view. “Slavery was wrong, but do I carry upon my shoulders the sins of my forefathers so that I should go around saying sorry? I don’t think so,” he said. Mr. Duke doesn’t believe that Africans should play much of a part in the American reparations conversation, because the injustices the descendants of slaves suffer stem primarily from their maltreatment and deprivation in the U.S. “The Africans didn’t see anything wrong with slavery,” he said. “Even if the white man wasn’t there, they would still use these people as their domestics. However, because the white man was now involved and fortunes were being made…that was when the criminality came in.”

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @newrouter
  38. @MikeatMikedotMike

    There are stories of men who ran away to the swamps,never to return. It is said they ran afoul of the meth gators. Also,meth gators are gay and seek each other out on Gaytr. True.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  39. Mr. Anon says:
    @Brabantian

    That is one angry kid. A real member of the Khymer Green – she looks like the sort who would suffocate you with a plastic bag if she caught you wearing eye-glasses. Or holding a plastic bag.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Bill Jones
  40. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ano

    It’s going to break up, no question. Question is who gets what.
    Big question is who gets the nukes.

    The top map is pretty accurate at least going by my knowledge of Missouri. I would add that there is a northeastern “hump” skirting St. Louis County and coming up roughly to Highway 36, about level with Quincy, Illinois across the river. There is also the major outlying county of Nodaway, which is on the northwestern state line with Iowa and close to Nebraska. Nodaway County, as Wikipedia correctly states, “has a significant history of violence”. It’s an unreconstructed outpost of the CSA circa 1864.

    The Skidmore Bully case was in Nodaway. Friends of mine who grew up there were mystified completely by the case-mystified completely how he went so long before someone handled up.

    A retired FBI agent I smoked a cigar with one day told me, “We never found the Olympic pool table”.

    I had to ask. I had heard of an Olympic pool, but not an Olympic pool table.

    He explained that since they interviewed almost a hundred people who swore up and down that they ‘dived under the pool table’ when the shots rang out, Skidmore had to have the world’s largest pool table by far, but they never found out where it was or got to try playing on this monster themselves.

  41. @Dr. X

    You nailed it. Most Mountaineers have to drive 6-7 hours before they even smell the Atlantic. Southern Appalachia describes 80% of the state. Proud of it too.

  42. @Jack D

    Born and raised in New Jersey, have lived and worked in both north and south jersey, and you’re right about nj now and historically.

    Also, it’s ridiculous to call nyc part of New England. New Yorkers and new englanders alike would tell you that. Hell, the better debate is whether western CT even counts as New England.

  43. @Jim Don Bob

    Matt Yglacias is still a dumbass who got punked by the Polar Bear Game

    In Yglacier National Park?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  44. @anon

    I grew up with such people and long ago stopped finding their “haha we are the center of the universe, get it?” map funny. They hold us in contempt and we should reciprocate.

  45. @anon

    You’re kinda funny, too, though apparently not intentionally.

    City-States are a great idea for the USA, for both “left” and “right”, and those new states would be allowed to have very Libertarian or very UN-Libertarian laws and policies. So libertarianism is on no way a necessary part of the idea.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  46. If it’s regional differences you’re looking for, here are a number of major chain hotels, along with a McDonald’s, a KFC, and a Starbucks, where you are not allowed to stay.

  47. dvorak says:

    Area 31 ‘NorCal’ should not be its own region. It should be part of Cascadia. Deep woods and dude, weed, lmao, all the way to Canada.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  48. Logan says:
    @Ano

    Sadly, the Kingdom of Montenegro didn’t exist till 1910. Although it was a Principality from 1852.

  49. Logan says:

    Florida’s pretty accurate.

    Although the Ozarks should be called Methia.

  50. J1234 says:

    I welcome any topic that gives Midwesterners the opportunity to proclaim that Pittsburgh is not in the Midwest.

  51. @Reg Cæsar

    C’mon Reg, the last White bears got shamed out of Glacier over 10k years ago.

  52. @Jim Don Bob

    There’s virtue in simplicity, Jim Bob Don. You are correct, and the line between them would have
    been a good place to build a wall.

  53. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Trump is about to be impeached because of Ukraine shenanigans

    Russia! Russia! Russia! is a total fail.

    Ukie shenanigans? LOL!

    • Replies: @Charon
  54. @Achmed E. Newman

    bored identity is really confused now ;
    Does Houston belong to Chihuahua or Gujarat Region ?

    Holly Cancelled Cow, twenty years from now y’all gonna eat that sh!t..because Shared Dreams, Bright Futures :

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    , @El Dato
  55. Those are the regions of stupidity. The stupidity quotient is greatest on the coasts, and declines until you reach the last vestige of rationality, the Great Plains. The more liberals, the greater the stupidity. Move east or west, and the idiocy and stupidity increases. It would be instructive to see the polities that are fiscally sound on a map. And those polities that are isolated from the realm of how things get done would be on one side, and those who foul their own nest on the other. Illinois is a great example. Chicago makes their policy choices retarded. And now their state is insolvent.

  56. Logan says:

    Used to live there, and all of Utah and SE Idaho should be called Mormonia. Quite distinctive culturally.

    And Vegas should definitely be its own cultural region.

  57. Hibernian says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Small town and rural Midwest is characterized by the redundancy “inkpen.”

  58. J.Ross says:

    None of these maps are any good, none distinguish between the United States of America and the Archipelago of Blue Metropoli.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  59. @Ano

    “,,,the Black Republic of Amerika (under Big Chief Keith Ellison),”

    Chief ?

    It’s Mulahto Sultanissimus Keithomeini, you infidel peasant !

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  60. istevefan says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The Federal Reserve has 12 regions with a corresponding bank in each region. His map lists the location of those 12 banks.

    As a resident of Missouri rumor has it that our senators at the time of the passage of the federal reserve act were considered crucial deciding votes. To get them to vote in favor, the government located 2 federal reserve banks in Missouri, one in KC and the other in St. Louis. We are the only state with multiple federal reserve banks.

    For those interested in some trivia, here is a list of the 12 federal reserve banks along with the letter codes assigned to them. When one of these banks issues currency, the letter of the issuing bank is included on the the dollar bill. So if you have a $1 or $5 bill with the letter ‘A’, it came from Boston. If it has a ‘J’, it came from Kansas City.

  61. MBlanc46 says:
    @Barnard

    The Cultural Regions Map is the only one that doesn’t show Illinois as all of a piece, which it certainly is not.

    • Agree: Hibernian, slumber_j
  62. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    For people in Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queens and Staten Island that was the way it was for a long while.

    When white people still lived in South Chicago, it was that way also. I had relatives that would go to great lengths to fly out of Midway instead of O’Hare even though the drive was only a little worse. They stayed strictly in their neighborhood, or at least south of some line I never figured out. But if they went into Indiana, they had no trouble going north.

    And I’m sure true of many other cities too.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @obwandiyag
  63. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Until Peter the Great, the westernizing Russian czar, European geographers and cartographers typically drew the border of Europe and Asia at the eastern border of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In addition to westernizing Russia through reforms, Peter the Great lobbied European cartographers to move the border between Europe and Asia further east to the Urals, which has become conventional.

  64. @Brabantian

    Saw clips from Thunberg’s speech on the news. She was crying, saying how the UN experts were immoral because all they discuss was money and economic development. And then she stated that if the world didn’t immediately stop global warming, her generation would “never forgive us.”

    In short, the emotional, shallow arguments one would expect from a teen aged girl. That’s fine, because she is a teen aged girl.

    What’s not fine is that her arguments are supposed to convince the entire world to make multi-trillion $ decisions that will effect the entire human population for decades to come. Shows how unserious advocates of radical climate change policy are.

  65. Charon says:
    @AP

    Thanks. That’s pretty mind-blowing. Blacks whose families were involved in the slave trade are not culpable because they didn’t make as much money off slaving as certain whites did. Privilege, privilege everywhere.

  66. @Brabantian

    Saw clips from Thunberg’s speech on the news. She was crying, saying how the UN experts were immoral because all they discuss was money and economic development. And then she stated that if the world didn’t immediately stop global warming, her generation would “never forgive us.”

    In short, the emotional, shallow arguments one would expect from a teen aged girl. That’s fine, because she is a teen aged girl.

    What’s not fine is that her arguments are supposed to convince the entire world to make multi-trillion $ decisions that will effect the entire human population for decades to come. Shows how unserious advocates of radical climate change policy are.

  67. Charon says:
    @anon

    The project came shortly after editor Dean Baquet admitted in a leaked recording that the paper would be switching its focus from coverage of Trump and Russia to Trump and Racism instead.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/469408-nyt-editor-racist-tweets/

  68. Charon says:

    The un-canceling of Pepe the Frog

    “just for HK protests, though”

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/469318-pepe-frog-hong-king-media/

  69. @NJ Transit Commuter

    In short, the emotional, shallow arguments one would expect from a teen aged girl. That’s fine, because she is a teen aged girl.

    In my limited experience (one subject) and anecdotal reports, the first step in moving teen-aged girls along to the next step of their development to adulthood is to NOT concede to their worldview.

  70. @istevefan

    One of the most amazing things I’ve ever learned was while looking at some advice that came across my desk was that at least at one Federal Reserve bank, ordinary people had BANK ACCOUNTS there!

  71. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dvorak

    Harold Covington had it pretty well nailed: all of Washington State, Oregon and Idaho, Montana west of I-5 and California north of what he called “the Mountain Gate” which basically is that part of California they wanted to make Jefferson State before WWII and again recently. The core Northwest American Republic. (Later he added on Wyoming (or most of it) and the Canadian provinces of BC and Alberta.)

    When Quebec leaves the rest of Canada parts or all of the Maritimes will possibly temporarily be part of the US , but if the US breaks up first, they will join parts of the Northeastern US as a separate republic (or whatever polity they choose). I doubt canada will stay together minus Quebec unless they can persuade the Frenchies to give up a connecting border zone to unite the ROC without going into the US.

    Texas has the unique treaty right to, not secede from the US, but to break into five different states, which if the US holds together otherwise would give it 8 more Senators. depending on how it chose to split-I don’t think that’s specified-they may force the addition of more representatives as well, now unfortunately fixed at 435. If the US busts up first, I’m certain East and West Texas won’t stay in the same polity.

  72. facebook nfl fan map

    Apparently Kentucky, Virginia, and Florida are the epicenters of the American identity crisis. Cowboys and Broncos have the most area. New York is Giants land not Jets.

  73. newrouter says:
    @AP

    >“Even if the white man wasn’t there, they would still use these people as their domestics. However, because the white man was now involved and fortunes were being made…that was when the criminality came in.”<

    A hearty FU to the Negros about "slavery"!

  74. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    “South Chicago” is the name of one neighborhood on the South Side and should not be used for the entire South Side. (South Chicago is definitely much closer to Midway than to O’Hare.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  75. @NJ Transit Commuter

    I’ve been laughing at Thunberg’s clips, they are so childish and stupid and programmed and overwraught they remind me of Wilde’s quote about Dickens’ maudlin The Old Curiosity Shop, “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

    (The open homos, for all their degeneracy, really do have a gift for outrageous black humor.)

    Thankfully, I’ve not discussed them Thunberg with any lefty or NPC, because I don’t think I could stop laughing if they talked about her in hushed, reverent tones or otherwise considered her anything but a sad spectacle.

    In a sane world, these clips would elicit laughter, and then concern about this child being used as a clear prop, and the parents would be condemned and she’d be hustled off stage and back to childhood.

    But we are not living in sane times; the fact that such a clear bad prop is being taken seriously and people are crying at her speeches unironically . This is the kind of madness Mao ran withand Stalin worked with and Hitler did, and their programmed followers all listened.

    We’re in trouble, folks.

    • Agree: jim jones
  76. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    That’s fine, because she is a teen aged girl.

    Did she walk there, ride a bicycle, paddle a kayak? Or ride on a big jet airliner burning kerosene?

    If these people believed in their own con, they would act like it. Talk is cheap.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @RAZ
  77. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Yes, I meant lower case southern part of Chicago and not the specific neighborhood of South Chicago, I seem to recall one called Hegewisch and one they just called “the Bush”. It was near the now razed USS Steel steel mill. There was a cathedral sized church, St. Michaels and, bizarrely, a Jewish funeral home just down the street from that. I say bizarrely because as I understood it Jews of Chicago, of which there were many, lived on the north side and patronized the perpetually losing and not even trying to win Chicago Cubs. None of the relatives I was around would admit to having as much as attended a Cubs game. The Sox were the working man’s team and what they always watched while drinking Old Style beer.

  78. @Hibernian

    “South Chicago” is the name of one neighborhood on the South Side and should not be used for the entire South Side. (South Chicago is definitely much closer to Midway than to O’Hare.)

    “South Detroit”, as in the Journey drone, is across the river in Ontario.

    And did you ever wonder why, if Johnny Cash committed a murder in Nevada, he’s in a California prison?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Paleo Liberal
  79. istevefan says:
    @J.Ross

    I saw a twitter thread which sort of discusses your point.

    The guy gets the rural/urban divide and the fact that populism is more popular with the former than the latter. But he never gets around to mentioning a big component of this divide. Namely, in most European or European New World nations an increasing number of urban residents are newly minted paperwork citizens with no connection to the historic nation.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  80. @Lurker

    Khmer Vert surely?

    That sounds like a cheese. But shouldn’t it be Khmer verte?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmers_rouges#Appellations

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no regions too

    • Replies: @Lurker
  81. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My grandmother of old Ozark farm world said “ye’uns”. Ya’ll was too modern for her. I came across “ye’uns” reading Chaucer in college and said “Hey, that’s how grandma talks!” Middle English was still holding its own in the Ozark hills.
    They had a party line and my grandma listened to the number of rings to see if the call was for her. We used cardboard fans supplied by the local funeral home to keep ourselves cool in the summer. When you brought in firewood from the porch you had to watch out for snakes, wasps, and tarantulas.
    Life hasn’t changed there all that much. There are fewer people, gas-burning instead of wood-burning stoves, and cable TV. But basic hour by hour life isn’t that different.

    • Replies: @Tony
    , @anon
    , @Logan
  82. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Man, I saw those clips too. I can’t imagine she is helping her cause. She just comes off as a hysterical spoiled brat.

    I mean, the reality is, the generations that came before her, or me, or you, anyone, make mistakes. But they also do many good things and make many sacrifices for the future. You have to honor those sacrifices and try to course correct as much as possible, rather than scolding your parents because they fell short of perfection.

    Fossil fuels have drawbacks, yes, but anybody who thinks they have not been a net positive for mankind is out of their mind. They have prevented millions upon millions, possibly billions, of deaths due to famine, hypothermia, etc., and have freed millions more from physical toil so that they could pursue more fulfilling work. Personally I feel that the time is right to reduce our dependence upon them as much as possible, but that is my cross to bear.

    Is little Greta studying lithium chemistry so that she can improve battery technology? Is she working on improved III-V semiconductors for improved solar cells? I’m going to guess… no. She instead has decided to specialize in whinging. And encouraging others to neglect their education. The education that her parents generation is funding. At schools that they built. Teaching things they discovered, that could be used to fix the problems that…. ah, why bother.

    Also, she is very funny looking. Some kind of genetic syndrome?

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @Neuday
  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lurker

    Khmer Vert surely?

    Touche. Yes, that’s much better.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  84. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    And did you ever wonder why, if Johnny Cash committed a murder in Nevada, he’s in a California prison?

    Now that you mention it, I never did. But that’s a good point.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  85. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    When I lived in Wichita there was one bar that had an especially good steak deal. but it was THE Broncos bar in Wichita. Most Wichita people were Chiefs fans but Wichita was the eastern edge of “Donkeys” country. I had Johnson County (KS) tags on my car so they fucked with me, not the owners but the bar rowdies. I finally had to buy and wear a Bronco hat and then they’d let me eat my steak and spud in peace.

    One day I forgot and walked into work wearing the Bronco hat. I could have worn a Gay Pride hat and not gotten half the shit that caused. Mind you, I didn’t and don’t give a shit about football either way. They rode me on that for a long while.

  86. @anon

    This is correct only backwards. NYC is Japan.

  87. njguy73 says:
    @Prester John

    A tantalizing possibility is an eventual merger between the central and western provinces of Canada on the one hand with the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho on the other. As an economic entity at least that section of North America is almost a singularity.

    Even more tantanlizing?

    Ontario merging Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
    British Columbia merging with Washington, Oregon, and Northern California.

    I say break up the current order and start anew.

    • Replies: @A1
  88. @Anonymous

    Apparently you don’t know what a contrade is.

  89. istevefan says:
    @Charon

    What do you mean?

    • Replies: @Charon
  90. Hail says: • Website
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    It looks like several “ghosts” of the past make an appearance in that map. Is the biggest regional one the pro-secession (Redskins), anti-secession (Steelers) line in the former state of Virginia (two states since 1863).

    Why is South Carolina so jumbled up?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  91. @SimpleSong

    Deaths in coal mines. The horrible slow death caused by Mr. Peabody and his ilk and the way they treat their coal miners. Cancer deaths from air ground and water pollution. Car wrecks. Asthma. Emphysema. COPD. The utter destruction of Kentucky and West Virginia. Millions and millions dead in the Middle East. The ugliness of cities that are nothing but car storage facilities and countrysides that are wall-to-wall macadam. Mercury in fish. Centralia. Not to mention all the wonderful refinements of weapons technology enabled by cheap and readily available fossil fuels. . . . And I’m just getting started . . .

    Did you know you are an idiot or do you need me to tell you? You are an idiot.

  92. @Lugash

    Thunberg is a tool for the rich to pretend to be environmentalists. Nevertheless (and never “nonetheless”):

    And yet you have the pathetic gall to take her to task for practicing what she preaches.

    You fucking hypocrites on this hypocritical rag are always calling out people for being hypocrites and so now when somebody isn’t being a hypocrite you call them out for that. Oh, just fuck you.

  93. @anon

    Wax On, Wax Off, Get Off?

    You could try hacking the firmware on your player to Region 0, 9 or REGION All (which I’ve never had the cajones to do), but hacking the nether regions is more fun – even if, as might be the case in – what was her name? -Selam Gano? Salon Guano (the likely fifth column defense contractor/spy aka Mata Hairy)? a machete might be required – as in hacking through the Brazilian rain forest – though not with someone who has undergone a “Brazilian.”

    Also See: DVD Porn Pop

  94. @ujkf

    A couple of years ago, Ron Unz wrote a parody of such sophistry regarding the hill debate, “proving” (with tongue in cheek) that “hills don’t exist.”

  95. @obwandiyag

    Rhetorical flourishes are no substitute for substance.

  96. @RAZ

    And Edge City was used in a Tom Wolfe novel! iSteve bonus points, RAZ!

  97. @Mr. Anon

    Had to look that one up, but considering the watermelon/green on the inside, red on the inside thing, “Khmer Ruse” also seems fitting.

    Also see: Cinema, tragedy, farce – Moron Rouge
    and Iran, tragedy, Farsi

  98. @anon

    I always got a laugh out of that cover, but my personal version was a view from the eastern side of Central Park, i.e. I couldn’t be bothered to go to the West Side. Oddly enough, Ann Coulter recently described the Upper East Side as one of the few parts of NYC where libtards leave her relatively unmolested, pretty much on the basis that one does not defecate in one’s own kitchen.

  99. @Anonymous

    Let us now give less than fulsome praise to Folsom.

    Also see: Nevada, Janet, Waco, FBI – I killed a man for Reno –
    Just to watch him die…

    • Replies: @reactionry
  100. @reactionry

    oops – “shot” – not “killed”

  101. @bored identity

    Dear diary, today I learned that not only there is such a thing as a lakh, which is equal to 100,000 (a hundred thousand), but that there is such thing as a crore, abbreviated cr, which is equal to 10,000,000 (ten million), and that whenever someone uses said terms, chances are they want to make me know, if I didn’t already, they are from somewhere in South Asia.

    • Replies: @Graham
  102. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: How did you miss reporting on Curlfest? https://www.curlfest.com

    “In a country where laws still have to be passed to protect women of color from discrimination based on their hair, the need to affirm our beauty is more important than ever. CURLFEST® is an empowering and uniquely magical experience where women and girls of every shade, shape and size can come and be celebrated for who they are, unconditionally. Join us as we redefine what beautiful looks like.”

  103. El Dato says:
    @bored identity

    I don’t think the French would ever have imagined the Statue of Liberty pining for India.

    From “The Man in the High Castle” to “The Man in the High Mahal” relatively quickly.

    • Replies: @Charon
  104. Graham says:
    @gabriel alberton

    Something more for your diary. Here’s how they write the numbers using digits. A lakh is 1,00,000 and a crore is 1,00,00,000.

  105. Charon says:
    @El Dato

    And did You know? Collected here is the equivalent of a single day’s population growth in India.

    Just kidding. NRG Stadium only holds 50,000 people and India’s population is increasing at a rate of over 60,000 per day.

    India has nearly 500 million students. How many visas are you offering this year? Can we bump it up just a little? Do it for the children.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
  106. Charon says:
    @istevefan

    Look at a new $5 bill (or any larger denomination) and you’ll see what I mean.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  107. @Hail

    Why is South Carolina so jumbled up?

    Because nobody gives a rat’s ass about pro football in S. Carolina. (Not you, Hail, but the poll:) Ask a stupid (poll) question, get a stupid (poll) answer.

    “Who do you root for, the Panthers or the Falcons?”

    “Go Cocks!”

    Hence, the jumbled-up colors you get with bad sampling.

    Here on the unz site, Mr. Audacious Epigone shows lots of data of all sorts taken some some comprehensive polls. It’s all interesting stuff, and I enjoy his blog. However, quite often, I look at the poll question, and the assumptions made in it, and see that the answers don’t mean much. Often with multiple choice we are missing the correct answer, as Mr. A.E. himself pointed out in this one about “who is America’s biggest enemy?” (Great post of his, BTW.)

    • Replies: @Hail
  108. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Let’s first deny the wind is blowing, then argue it’s direction & speed (it’s a tiny breeze).
    It’s funny most on Unz support science, unless it’s climate change & then it’s just one big rollicking, contemptable laugh.
    No amount of evidence can break through the thoroughly religious faith that “there’s nothing to see here”.
    Well fuck it — I don’t give a shit for children either.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @anon
    , @Jack D
  109. The 2nd and 5th maps at least make an attempt at showing that NY State is not at all homogenous, but both get it wrong.

    The dividing line in NY State is around Albany. The area northwest of Albany–essentially the Adirondack Park, plus the Canadian borderlands–is quite different from the NYC-Hudson Valley region. But is not part of Apallachia! Indeed, even geographicallly, the Apallachians extend into the Green and White Mountains of Vermont and NH, but the Adirondack Mountains are not the same chain.

    Culturally, northern New York is influenced by things like (1) Iroquois Indian rrservations, (2) high security prisons (eg, Dannemora) for NYC blacks with their prison town economies, (3) economies of winter skiing tourism and summer hiking tohrism, (4) SUNY’s quaint but outdated region campus system that sends international and NYC students to the hinterregions of the state, (5) the weird politics of cukturally conservative people who rely on the state’s prison and university systems for their bread and butter, (6) ethnic/familial inheritance from and proximity to French-Canadians in Quebec.

    Unfortunately, the NYC-Montreal drug channel made possivle by Eisenhower’s interstate system has brought weird minorities into the region in recent years. However, northern NY is still a great place to live if you like American landscapes and small towns.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  110. Art Deco says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    (4) SUNY’s quaint but outdated region campus system that sends international and NYC students to the hinterregions of the state,

    Disagree.

    The SUNY system has been conservative with its investments in regard to over all enrollment and institutional function. The state colleges are called ‘state university colleges‘ and hardly offer any post-baccalaureate degrees outside of professional credentials in disciplines where the ‘master’s degree’ is common if not required (so MEd degrees, MSW degrees, &c). Also, engineering programs are pretty much confined to the research universities. There are a couple at stand-alone professional schools and a couple of others at technical colleges licensed to offer BA degrees, but that’s it. In the North County, you have two state colleges and a technical college that’s now licensed to provide BA degrees. I think their FTE enrollment is about 12,000. Total FTE enrollment of the state universities, state colleges, technical colleges, and stand-alone schools is about 160,000 Upstate. Somewhat under 10% of Upstate’s population lives in the Adirondack region, so the enrollment allocated there is roughly proportionate. When they were building the SUNY system, they did make a point of putting their research campuses in metropolitan centers while their teaching campuses they placed in small towns. Most of the teaching campuses are now within commuting distance of one of the cities, the North Country campuses the exceptions.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  111. Neuday says:
    @SimpleSong

    Greta shows many signs of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, which might also explain why her parents are allowing this abuse.

  112. @Charon

    India has nearly 500 million students.

    Pupils.

    They’re more careful with our language in the Banglosphere.

  113. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    What’s the difference between the cultures of NYC and Philadelphia? Both would rather give free healthcare (that is, payments to rich people like doctors and services that are generally used by middle class) that free housing (which would cut into middle class and high class wealth). Therefore, both are filled with homeless, and smell of pee. Or is there a culture of Southern pee and another of Northern pee?

  114. A1 says:
    @njguy73

    The problem with merging things after the fact is determining the dominant city. For example the reason Cascadia will never come to be is which city will be the capital? Vancouver? Seattle? San Fran? All three of these places grew rich because of the hinterlands that are forced to use them. Even today you have trouble getting from Spokane or Boise to Edmonton or Saskatoon. The reason for this is the border is designed for Spokane to send their grain to the Port of Seattle or Portland not the Port of Vancouver.

    This makes these regions cultural which overlaps nicely with how the native tribes were organised.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  115. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon

    Do it for the sick people who need groundbreaking treatments! One wonders how come Indians are so smart, but their Nobels come at a slower rate than before independence.

  116. @Anonymous

    All of Montana is east of I-5, by hundreds of miles. Do you mean I-15?

  117. @obwandiyag

    fucking hypocrites…hypocritical…hypocrites…and…hypocrite…Oh, just fuck you.

    Lagertha is knee deep in the vodka again

  118. Lurker says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    But shouldn’t it be Khmer verte?

    Very likely but I get confused by the whole gender thing – very dangerous in the current year.

  119. @Reg Cæsar

    Cash was asked that question in interviews a number of times. He said he knew Reno was the wrong state, but it fit in with the lyrics better.

    Remember, Cash was stationed in an Army base in Germany at the time he wrote the song.

  120. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    quite often, I look at the poll question, and the assumptions made in it, and see that the answers don’t mean much

    Anyone who follows Steve Sailer’s writing knows he likes Onion-/BabylonBee-type satire and often writes his own. Yet I don’t think I have ever seen him do a parody of poll questions as such. This surprises me.

    The kinds of “leading questions” that make many polls of dubious value, as you suggest, are ripe for satirizing.

  121. @Anonymous

    I lived in eastern Oregon for a little while. That was definitely The West and not West Coast. The biggest cultural event was a rodeo in Pendleton. Oregon east of the Cascades has far more in common with Washington east of the Cascades, pretty much all of Idaho, parts of Nevada and possible parts of Montana and Wyoming than it has with Oregon west of the Cascades.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  122. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    There is no Jets land.

    The Jets are the only team in the NFL which is not the favorite team of any county in the US.

    When the Jets were still in Queens they were seen as the Long Island team. Not anymore.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  123. @Art Deco

    From context it seems like @Chrisnonymous was referring to the 4 main campuses of SUNY, not the entire 64-campus system.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  124. MEH 0910 says:
    @Brabantian

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  125. @Paleo Liberal

    Remember that the Facebook map dates back to 2014, when the Giants were closer to their most recent Super Bowl.

    I would say that the Jets are the most popular team in all of Long Island, even to this day. Ironically they have ZERO connection to Long Island anymore, as they now both play and practice in New Jersey.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  126. @Mr. Anon

    It’s hard not to conclude that the world would be saved a whole lot of troublesome bullshit if she were to die soon,

  127. @Achmed E. Newman

    SC’s borders, except where you see Dunkin Donuts (that’s where the Yanquis have infiltrated)

    LOL you can just say Myrtle Beach. Myrtle Beach is so famous as New Jersey South that David Samson (our former Attorney General) was convicted of a felony for arm-twisting United into reinstating a money-losing flight from Newark to Myrtle Beach just so he could easily access his vacation home when he was Chairman of the Port Authority, who runs Newark Airport.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  128. @Jack D

    I would say that New England is the one region where there is a general consensus as to its composition. Even so, Fairfield County, Connecticut is culturally part of NYC, as the last map shows. This is why Sandy Hook was such a big deal here. Hell, one of the victims wore a Victor Cruz jersey in his coffin.

  129. RAZ says:
    @Earl Lemongrab

    That was good.

    “and if you forget the panhandle, and most people do”

  130. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  131. @obwandiyag

    And the hypocritical bitch flew a crew over to take the boat back.

  132. RAZ says:
    @anon

    That was good.

    “and if you forget the panhandle, and most people do”

  133. anon[477] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    Thanks for the link.

    CNN:
    The Swedish teenager has become the figurehead of a burgeoning movement of youth climate activists after her weekly protests inspired student strikes in more than 100 cities worldwide.

    “FIgurehead” is an interesting choice of words. Of course that yacht didn’t sail itself, and it’s not made of bark, twigs, with wool sails, etc. so it is merely a more subtle form of hypocritical theater.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  134. RAZ says:
    @Lugash

    She took a sailboat. And others flew over from Europe to sail the boat back. So how much carbon was saved?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  135. J.Ross says:
    @istevefan

    Yeah, as with the Buttigieg story I mentioned earlier or the “incel” hypefest, they’re aggressively trying to characterize it all as immature emotional problems from losers who should just shut up and fade away. These are the people who want days of rage because the planet Earth will stop existing in twelve years, and safe spaces with handicraft activities because a speaker came to a college to speak. The majority of the uses of the word “triggered” are attempted inversions (“why do right-wingers get so triggered by a clock?”) by the same people who had formerly argued for taking the triggered concept seriously as a psychological problem to be respected and accommodated.
    2020 is going to be fun.

  136. anon[477] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    And yet you have the pathetic gall to take her to task for practicing what she preaches.

    She does what she’s told to do. She’s a prop, probably with mental issues. The “boat” that she “sailed” on is a yacht that has a crew of more than on teenage girl, and the carbon footprint of that yacht is nonzero. This theater is merely boob bait for the ignorant and credible.

    Her handlers are demanding a global dictatorship with unlimited power over everyone else. Looks like you are ok with that, too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  137. J.Ross says:
    @animalogic

    Wow, your namecalling and profanity has changed my mind, paid activist. I guess China does have a separate atmosphere.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @animalogic
  138. anon[477] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    No amount of evidence can break through the thoroughly religious faith that “there’s nothing to see here”.

    Been playing with your hockey stick again?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  139. @ScarletNumber

    Remember that the Facebook map dates back to 2014, when the Giants were closer to their most recent Super Bowl.

    And the Rams much closer to St Louis.

  140. Shouldn’t all places blessed with sufficient diversity to generate headlines like this be their own region?
    Balphilgo?
    “Philly’s next sheriff is throwing a party for a former sheriff before he goes to prison”

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/rochelle-bilal-john-green-philadelphia-sheriff-corruption-federal-prison-mayor-kenney-20190920.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
  141. @istevefan

    We are the only state with multiple federal reserve banks.

    They should thus have adjacent code letters, but don’t. Minneapolis is wedged between.

    So if you have a $1 or $5 bill with the letter ‘A’, it came from Boston. If it has a ‘J’, it came from Kansas City.

    A parlor trick is to have someone hold a bill as far away as you can read the big letter in the circle. Then squint and tell the person you can read the tiny type around it.

  142. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    “if people mock Barron we on the left are the first to condemn them”
    Did I miss the condemnation for calling Barron a retard or calling for him to be killed or to be made to watch his parents die violently or for the line in the “Run The Jewels” song “Nobody Speak,” where they say “like Trump xxxxs his youngest”? Did I miss that?

  143. Jack D says:
    @animalogic

    This is like plastic pollution, where white liberals go to absurd lengths to confiscate drinking straws, which constitute a tiny fraction of 1% of the plastics in the environment and keep showing us all this floating garbage in the Pacific. How is my drinking straw going to end up in the Pacific? It’s not like I just throw my trash in the nearest river. Then you do a little reading and you find out that 90% of the plastic pollution is coming from a handful of countries where people in fact do throw their trash in the nearest river (and shit in the street, etc.).

    The same thing is going on with greenhouse gasses. The people who little Greta should really be screaming/crying about are immune to her tears and she knows it so she aims at the soft targets. I’m going to have to turn up the air conditioning and sweat to expiate my white guilt but the billion plus Chinese will burn all the brown coal they want until they literally choke. All the Europeans could die off even faster than they are dying off now and it wouldn’t change the outcome.

    • Replies: @anon
  144. @A1

    Perhaps. In addition to the relationship between the mid-Canadian provinces and the north central US, there’s an awful lot of economic (and cultural) intercourse among BC, Washington, Oregon and NoCal– not to mention Southern Ontario, Michigan, Ohio, NY and PA. That counts for a lot. Other than Quebec, which is still trying (less than successfully) to retain its Gallic roots and possibly the Maritimes, there’s really very little difference, culturally and linguistically, between the rest of Canada and the US–certainly the northern tier of the US. The situation sometimes seems to be akin to Austria and Germany–two countries separated by the same language (to paraphrase Shaw’s description of the US and England–which is less accurate) and culture.

  145. Jack D says:
    @Bill Jones

    Generally speaking, there’s no money to be made in arresting the usual suspects but in Philadelphia the sheriff’s office also handles real estate foreclosure auctions for unpaid property taxes and other judgments so a lot of money passes thru his hands – millions upon million of $. So if you just keep a leeetle bit for yourself and your friends – just a small percentage, then no one may notice. The actual scheme was more complicated than that but the basis for the scheme was to dip a little into the river of money that flowed thru his office.

  146. Jack D says:
    @RAZ

    This was a publicity stunt (a very successful one) but the actual carbon footprint was enormous starting with the custom built yacht itself, all the crew flights associated with it, etc. All little Greta had to do was fly standby on a scheduled jet that was already going to make the flight and her marginal carbon footprint would have been zero (or close to it – I guess adding another 100 lbs. of weight to the plane increase the fuel consumption by a tiny amount) but Greta sitting in middle seat 33B would not have been a good photo op.

    • Agree: Hail
  147. @RadicalCenter

    “So libertarianism is [in] no way a necessary part of the idea.”

    Then it must be a good idea.

  148. @obwandiyag

    Let me know when you have given up any use of gasoline, electricity, natural gas, red meat, etc., and then maybe I will think about i.

  149. @Paleo Liberal

    Agreed. Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington are definitely “The West.” Both regions are also remote, raw, and beautiful. Plus, both are low on the Vibrancy quotient.

  150. Cortes says:

    OT but the Mockrage Militia has been on patrol in English football:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/23/bernardo-silva-mendy-tweet-fa-kick-it-out-calls-action

    Conguitos is a famous Spanish brand of chocolate coated peanuts for kids.

  151. Jack D says:
    @ScarletNumber

    When I took an uber from the Myrtle Beach airport the driver was a transplant from Longuyland – you get the real local flavor from the cabbies. He extolled the lower cost of living vs. NY.

    Samson’s flight was to Columbia, SC (the state capital which is more or less in the middle of nowhere but Samson had a 2nd home not far away in Aiken – I dunno why). I suspect that the EWR-Myrtle Beach route is busy enough but regional direct flights like EWR to Columbia are disappearing – you are going to have to change at Atlanta or Charlotte and it’s going to have to take you 4 or 5 hours of shlepping – that won’t do for a prince like Samson.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  152. @obwandiyag

    I’m sorry I insulted your hero!

    Yes, there are occupational risks to coal mining. These should be minimized through proper regulation and unionization. And natural gas is a cleaner, lower risk fuel than coal, and should be substituted whenever possible, and renewables are cleaner still and should be substituted when possible. Yes, I have a lot of knowledge of the hazards of coal mining, since my grandfather was killed in a mine.

    I also personally don’t think we should be dependent upon middle eastern oil and that we should take whatever steps are necessary to be energy independent. In fact I drive an electric car.

    So I agree with you on many things. But you are not bright enough to understand, my friend, how the world actually works. Do you know what the Haber-Bosch process is? No, of course you don’t. You are one of those people who thinks that clean water, electricity, food, and building materials magically appear from the Science God. Lots of women believe this, I assume because they don’t have what it takes to actually understand science and engineering. Anyway, honey, let me explain it.

    The Haber Bosch process fixes nitrogen to make fertilizer. Without nitrogen based fertilizers, crop yields are very low. The Haber-Bosch process uses atmospheric nitrogen and natural gas as a feedstock, although it can use a variety of fossil fuels. It is estimated that if you were to wave a magic wand and make the Haber Bosch process disappear, about 5/6 of humanity would starve to death within a year. Including you. And me. If it had never been invented, you would have never been born because humanity would have bumped up against the Malthusian limit a long time ago. While you not having been born would be a positive for the world, I actually think that is outweighed by the other 5 billion souls who have a chance at existence due to fossil fuels.

    You mention that people were killed in coal mining accidents and that employers often mistreated their employees. That is absolutely true. Is this due to fossil fuels? Are you claiming that prior to fossil fuels, there was no exploitation of labor? Have you heard of a phenomenon called ‘slavery?’ If anything the fact that machines can now do the hard physical labor that humans used to do is what has made slavery go away!

    You mention that we have fought resource wars in the middle east. That is true. Are you claiming that there were no wars fought for resources prior to the exploitation of fossil fuels? Because I think there are a few examples of people doing conquest for resources that predate the use of coal.

    You mention that fossil fuels have sometimes caused people to have health problems. That is true. Are you under the impression that the net effect on human lifespan of fossil fuel use has been negative? Because that is absolutely not true. In pre industrial societies (a.k.a. pre- fossil fuel societies) people starved to death every. single. winter. People froze to death every. single. winter. People worked their horses to death. They worked themselves to death. They were in a state of constant exhaustion that made them vulnerable to disease. Look at a graph of lifespan in England from 1840 to the present, and look at a graph of fossil fuel use per capita, and tell me with a straight face that fossil fuel use made people sicker on average. Funny thing–you can’t even see any blip in lifespan when antibiotics, polio vaccine, all this stuff was invented, but you absolutely see a rise when people start using fossil fuel.

    I hate to tell you this, Obw, but you are not very smart. In fact you are so dumb that you don’t even realize how stupid you are. We probably want the same policy things, in the end. I want renewables and electrification. You want that too. But you are so thick that I can’t stand to have people like you as fellow travelers. You are the worst kind of spoiled ingrate.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  153. Tim says:
    @RAZ

    For “Edge City” think Tyson’s Corner. It is really blowing up. They’ve got 38 floor highrises, and endless mixed-use apartment building, and they’re still building more.

    I asked a commercial real estate broker if he didn’t think it was too much, but he said with the amount of money they are sinking into the place, they will MAKE it work.

    It’s interesting, I live nearby and my property value is going up. I like it, but the traffic jams are starting in the parking decks.

  154. Art Deco says:
    @ScarletNumber

    If you say so. None of the university centers are located in the North Country. One’s on Long Island, one’s in Albany, one’s in Buffalo, and one’s in Binghamton. The last might be considered ‘out of the way’, but at the time it was constituted as a research institution, there were already private research universities in Rochester and Syracuse, Binghamton was the 5th largest urban agglomeration Upstate, and IBM was in the pink. All Upstate cities look out-of-the-way next to New York. However, cities the size of Rochester and Buffalo typically have a public or private research university. It’s less common for cities in the Albany and Syracuse size range to have them, but not all that unusual (see University of Wisconsin, Duke, Lehigh, University of South Carolina, Kent State, LSU, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Oregon).

  155. @SimpleSong

    Thank you for generalizing about the entire span of human history for me. I bet you experienced every second of it and that’s why you know-it-all.

    The nitrogen fertilizer thing is a Ponzi scheme. Far from helpful, it is in fact deleterious. High yields without it are perfectly feasible. You wouldn’t understand because men like you are economically and agriculturally illiterate.

  156. @obwandiyag

    You think she practices what she preaches because she took a racing sailboat across the Atlantic?

    Made of carbon fiber composite?

    Do you know what carbon fibers are made of? (hint: it starts with a Fo– and ends with a –els.)

    Do you know what the resin used to bind the carbon fiber is made of? (same hint as above)

    I’m going to guess the sail was not fertilizer-free, pesticide-free cotton. I’m going to guess synthetic. Hmmm…might that be made of…wait for it…

    Probably some steel in that boat too, how do you smelt steel, some hematite, some limestone, and one other ingredient I can’t recall, starts with a c…

    I mean if she had taken the Cutty Sark across the Atlantic, OK, but we are very very far from renewable land here with our racing yachts. If she genuinely believes she is living her principles she genuinely needs to return to chemistry class. Also she flew back commercial.

    The only people in America who are close to carbon neutral are the Amish, and even they are not 100%. Somehow they manage to not be insufferably smug.

  157. a reader says:
    @obwandiyag

    And yet you have the pathetic gall to take her to task for practicing what she preaches.

    The crew she sailed with will fly back to Europe.

    Another crew will fly to NYC to bring the boat back to Europe.

    By the way, the boat has no toilet or shower …

    Sad!

  158. istevefan says:
    @Charon

    If you are talking about the bank identifier letter, it is still there. You just have to look in a different place.

    • Replies: @Charon
  159. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong

    If she genuinely believes she is living her principles she genuinely needs to return to chemistry class

    She believes what her handlers tell her to believer. It’s an attempt to create the 21st century version of the Children’s Crusade.

  160. El Dato says:
    @anon

    Somebody tell CNN that their permanent Warlust has resulted in serious carbon dioxyde emission, not to mention serious soul emissions.

    God I hate these people.

    “The Allied Mastercomputer or AM, the supercomputer which brought about the near-extinction of humanity. It seeks revenge on humanity for its own tortured existence, but is especially fond of amusing itself with CNN employees for unclear reasons.”

  161. El Dato says:
    @SimpleSong

    I mean if she had taken the Cutty Sark across the Atlantic, OK

    Building wooden ships is a strong factor for why large swathes of Europe are no longer adorned with forests.

  162. Tony says:
    @anon

    How’s the dental care there?

  163. J.Ross says:
    @SimpleSong

    Several months ago Swedish alternative media introduced her as a total PR product, a famous, top level PR agency was handling her “activism” from day one, and one of her earliest stunts was to camp out in front of some government building and be photographed by a professional photographer.
    The Color Revolution creeps put together a movie about Maidan: its cover was a sweet little girl holding a flower while surrounded by armored riot police. In the real Maidan riots, police were immolated and prevented from receiving medical aid. The propaganda is now so clumsy that it works like an intelligence test.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  164. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    As bad as it is to go to the mental illness thing, you can see something definitely going on if you watch her face whenever she’s not “on.” Everyone’s focusing on her trying to look as ugly as possible while declaring the government of Cyprus to be a failure at the podium, but her expressions in in-between times are very wierd.

  165. @Jack D

    Field Six (6) at Jones Beach on LI is, overall, much better than Myrtle Beach. Everyone’s attacking Robert Moses now, but there aren’t any strip clubs around Robt. Moses State Park (at least to my knowledge, although I did sometimes visit the now infamous Oak Beach Inn. Bumper sticker campaigns to save the joint were for naught).

  166. @SimpleSong

    One’s got to wonder if the child has ever heard of Erik the Red or Thor Heyerdahl. Yes, respectively they conquered different oceans, but they were Nordic folk whose boats were “green,” sustainable, and so on.

    Any mention of Cutty Sark makes me sick. Tasted too much of the liquid stuff before I ever hit a wave and got my legs.

  167. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a well known fact that region does not exist. The great historian Stephen Jay Gould proved that in the early 1980s by noting color tinting bias in photography and filmography (pioneered by racists in the movie industry like D.W. Griffith) creates the illusion of regional differences; Griffith forged his tinting measurements because he was a hater of people of color. Therefore, region does not exist. It’s the same with geography. Georgia and Arizona are both actually pretty similar in most respects – similar latitude, both end with a vowel. Besides, if we say Georgia and Arizona are different, then that might cause hurt feelings. You don’t support hurt feelings do you? The worst people in history have supported hurt feelings. It’s also a historical fact that many mapmakers were well-known racists who hated native peoples, so obviously we have to question their map making skills along with things like aeronautics (well, rocketry) which was pioneered by the not-sees. Even things like meteorology and climatology because not-sees used big weather radars to detect WWII bombers piloted by good people coming in to liberate oppressed German civilians in Dresden. I’m sure bad people endorsed most of the things we think create differences where there are obviously none.

  168. @El Dato

    Building wooden ships is a strong factor for why large swathes of Europe are no longer adorned with forests.

    Yes. Building just one sailing ship required hundreds or even thousands of trees, including lots of big, mature, healthy ones.

  169. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Same as it is everywhere. Medical care in the US is uniformly great, as long as you have insurance.

  170. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Which one is the real Greta?

    Is it the blondie on the right?

    Is it her in the hat?

    Or this person?

    I’m so confused.

  171. Charon says:
    @istevefan

    Wow. The second character of the serial number now? Well you have definitely educated me but frankly I much prefer the old way. Frankly our money is just getting uglier any way you look at it. The current c-note with all of its supposed anticounterfeiting measures…

    • Replies: @istevefan
  172. @anon

    Sadly no, my hockey stick is resting…. but please pay a visit, I think we can do something for you.

    • Replies: @anon
  173. istevefan says:
    @Charon

    I liked the old way too. Here is a link to a gov site that goes into more detail on those numbers.

  174. Art Deco says:
    @J.Ross

    The Color Revolution creeps put together a movie about Maidan:

    The Russophile parties won a grand total of 16% of the vote at this year’s parliamentary elections. Polled support for a merger of the Ukraine and Russia is around about 4% of the total population.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @J.Ross
  175. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    Ask Mike Mann for help. Now that he’s on the verge of losing his case B.C. he should have free time.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  176. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Don’t be silly – the Ukrainian people LOVED being ruled by kleptocrats loyal to Moscow. EVERYONE loves being ruled by Moscow. All the people of Eastern Europe just can’t wait for the Russians to come back and save them from Globo Homo Capitalism and it’s cheap Coca Cola advertising tricks. The Color Revolution was a CIA staged coup and the revolutionaries were all paid agents of Washington.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  177. J.Ross says:
    @Art Deco

    Democracy is about as meaningful in the Ukraine as it is for Arabs. Ukrainians have a “choice,” predetermined by global elites and perception management spooks, between plundering Moscovites who don’t want Ukraine to completely collapse, and massively more plundering prone Goldman Sachs bank and its State department goons, who don’t care if it does. None of this touches upon the self-defeating clumsiness of modern propaganda.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jack D
  178. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    That was the only place where the Color Revolution shtick worked, after being attempted in nearly every formerly Soviet republic, so, yeah. You think there’s something better? You think either Moscow or Washington would ever permit self-determination? They don’t allow that here or in England, why would they let Ukrainians have it?

  179. Then there was The Patchwork Nation Map.

    BTW: I managed to scrape their by-county data and upload it to github here for the seriously data-driven among ya’ll.

  180. Art Deco says:
    @J.Ross

    I’m sure you fancy you’re exceptionally perspicacious.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  181. J.Ross says:
    @Art Deco

    Pretty sure sixty-year-old brainwashing isn’t perspicacity.

  182. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Moscovites who don’t want Ukraine to completely collapse

    I find the humanitarian concern of the Muscovites toward Ukraine to be deeply touching.

  183. J.Ross says:

    Yeah Jack let’s burn the whole thing down, as already happened before (the chick with the braid talking about nuking her own people for daring to not hate Russia had been the puppet leader during the last bank takeover) — forty per cent official unemployment, real unemployment near total, which by the way never happened on Russia’s watch — because after all Russians are bad.
    But again, the point is, our leaders — with all the resources of the internet and modern filmmaking — are not even able to lie to us, so we are approaching that revolutionary moment where it is widespread certainty and not just monday morning quarterbacking or resenting tax bills that we could kill these people and lose nothing.

  184. @J.Ross

    What “name calling” ?
    As for profanity, sorry, I assumed you were an adult.

  185. @anon

    Still love the thought of you & a hockey stick… or is that too liberal for you?

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