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Refugees Demand to be Ruled by Literally Hitler

Commenter Ben Tillman writes:

“Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.

Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was “Literally Hitler?”

 
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  2. One thing Liberals hate – besides almost all decent white Gentiles – is being made fun of so easily.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    I have very seldom met a liberal who would be able to understand at least a single joke about antiracism. They have this very conviction that every witty and intelligent person has to be antiracist, so they do not even consider thinking about this in another way. On the other side, to be honest, I am quite seldom able to laugh about the jokes antiracist make about racists, so my own sense of humor is obviously hampered by ideological constraints.
  3. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    So-called ‘refugees’ oughta be called Nakbans or People of Nakba. They were uprooted by Second Nabka, the Wars for Israel under Bush & Obama

  4. This lie has been going on for years. Immigrants and refugees flock to he most hateful and shameful country on the planet.

  5. I just wrote a post about Trump’s executive order: http://necpluribusimpar.net/executive-order-immigration/. Among other things, I point out that the amount of hypocrisy about this is really staggering…

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    @Philippe Lemoine,
    Great post. Trump should have just blocked the entrance of incoming/future refugees, or those who haven't arrived in the country yet.
    , @Perspective
    Thank you for writing that post, Philippe Lemoine. I agree with the spirit of Trumps executive order, but as you say, a few modifications would take away certain legitimate criticisms from the hysterical left.

    One thing, when you wrote: "I also think it’s politically stupid because, while I have no doubt that taking in more refugees is extremely popular (I will probably write something about this at some point)"

    Did you mean to say unpopular?
    , @candid_observer
    Yeah I agree about the hypocrisy of Trump's leftist critics, on this issue and on just about every issue.

    You see supposed war haters becoming war mongers; former despisers of patriotism calling for Trump to be thrown out for "treason"; advocates of gay rights supporting the import of the most virulently anti-gay religion in the world. The list goes on forever, and it is distinctly worse in the age of Trump than ever before.

    And all of these obvious inconsistencies are held by people who pretend to be our intellectual class.

    I've come to realize that one thing that makes me different from most of the left is that, when I'm inconsistent or hypocritical, it actually bothers me. I feel a powerful need to reconcile my beliefs so that the problems go away. Sometimes this has required me to give up on even pretty basic beliefs that I had held.

    I wonder if most people on the left have ever gone through that experience. They are, typically, brought up in a leftist bubble of certainty, and I doubt that they've ever changed their minds in a major way.
  6. I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That’s been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.

    • Replies: @Sid
    In truth, yes, the protesters are likening the refugee ban to turning away the St. Louis.

    But at the same time, they're likening Trump to Hitler. Every day of the week. No exaggeration.

    I don't think there was ever an example of Hitler turning down refugees. I think the Nazis in 1940 or so asked the Soviets if they would accept the Jews the Nazis wanted out of Europe, and the Soviets said no. So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that's a little too subtle for them.
    , @Dr. X

    I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That’s been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.
     
    Yes, but the lefties who hold this view do not understand history.

    It's almost certainly a reference to the steamship St. Louis, which was filled with Jewish refugees who were denied entry into the U.S. in 1939. Two important points they forget: 1) the Depression was still on and unemployment was 19%. There was no way we were going to let in refugees under those economic conditions. And 2) although the Jews were being targeted in Germany in 1939, the "Holocaust," properly speaking, did not begin until 1941-42 until after the German loss at Stalingrad. The St. Louis arrived in the U.S. in May of 1939, several months before Hitler invaded Poland. The war had not even begun yet.

  7. Trump should remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the Statue of Liberty. It would solve a lot of our problems,

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Trump should remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the Statue of Liberty."

    Yes, he should. He could replace it with the preamble to the Constitution.
  8. I think they’re referring to the ship St. Louis which had 900-odd Jewish refugees from Germany on it and were turned away by the US-but they were not made to go back to Germany. Great Britain Belgium France and Holland took them

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Only the ones in Great Britain were safe.

    More to the point: the current situation doesn't resemble Germany of 1930s.

    Syria is fractured, and there are no moderate rebels. Assad was not threatening anyone with genocide before the whole thing started. He was weak tea compared to Saddam.

    A lot of the "refugees" are economic migrants. Their countries suck so I can see their motive. But genocide in their home countries? No. Where has this been threatened? Nowhere.

    The oil states have financed the rebels all the way up to ISIS in Syria. Let them take the Muslims. We'll take the Christians. Up to now, they have taken ZERO. They're laughing at us for falling for the ploy.
  9. If this is “the 1930s all over again,” then the US isn’t Nazi Germany, it’s Poland, with working and middle class white people caught in a violent pincer movement, in this case between the liberal globalists and foreign invaders. And the shrieks of the anti-Trump feminists are like the howls of Stuka dive bombers.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Poland and Hungary said "no" to the influx
    of migrants from Africa and the Middle East
    because they know what it's like to be occupied
    by foreign powers. But Britain, France, Germany,
    and the U.S. were the ones doing the invading and
    colonizing so they have no experience of being
    invaded (except France, briefly). As a result, I believe
    they are psychologically unprepared to handle what is
    going on in the world today, which is that millions
    (or perhaps billions, in the coming decades) of people
    from Africa, Middle East, India, China, and Latin America want
    to move to Europe, North America, and Australia, and they
    believe they have every right to live there
  10. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “WH: No mention of Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day because others were killed too”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/white-house-holocaust-memorial-day/index.html

    The White House statement on International Holocaust Remembrance Day didn’t mention Jews or anti-Semitism because “despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered,” administration spokeswoman Hope Hicks told CNN on Saturday.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just "All Lives Matter"ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    This news made my day! The Nazis killed a lot of people over their race, and the number of Russians, Belorussians, Ukranians and Balts they killed far exceeded the number of Jews. (I think present estimates of the losses in the USSR from WWII are around 23 million). If we going to memorialize victims of Nazi race-based persecution, there is no reason to single out just one group for special mention.

    In light of the fact that a Nazi resurgence in Germany is about as likely as a restoration of the House of Windsor in Washington DC, and the fact that Germans seems disinclined to survive as a people, maybe it's time we s-canned the entire "German Guilt Day."
  11. I think there’s been a ratcheting up of anti-Trump rhetoric in Twitter over the last few days. I read this stuff in amazement.

    Polarization has been increasing for quite a few years, probably because of the Internet. If you extend that trend line to infinity, you get civil war. One argument against that is that people have gotten wimpier. But I’m expecting more violent clashes between demonstrators and police, demonstrators and counter-demonstrators. I’m curious about people’s opinions on where this is all heading. How much will Trump be able to accomplish, what would the other side do in return?

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film "Bushwick" that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of "The Turner Diaries," with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn't necessarily mean anything, business-wise -- plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That's new and kind of frightening. What's more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump's election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left -- the mainstream left, because I don't have any friends who are extremist radicals -- is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump's administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I've never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    , @Laugh Track
    The Left in the 60's and 70's, taking guidance from Mao's Marxist Hegelianism, talked about "heightening the contradictions", i.e., ratcheting up the polarization between Left & Right (between the oppressed and oppressors). Since the Left was destined to win (via "Scientific Socialism"!) the greater and sooner the polarization, the sooner the resolution of contradictions.

    The marvelous value of the present moment is allowing this polarization to play itself out. We have a "populist, far right" regime in power? Fine. Let's see how the various players respond and act. Do they act wisely or stupidly? Are the results positive or negative? Are the victors' actions good or bad news? (By whose standards?) Do the accepted street players (BLM, Black Bloc, etc.) help or hinder? These are exceedingly important questions. They've mostly gone undiscussed during the Obama era.

    Now's a good opportunity...
    , @helena
    It will be interesting to see what happens when (if?) Trump comes to visit the UK queen - mass demos are already being organised.

    Liberals like to set cars alight
    If you think that's wrong
    You must be Far Right
    Because don't you know
    Arson is the latest Human Right
    , @Seth Largo
    As long as the polarization continues to take place online, it will never lead to Civil War II. Like porn and Netflix, the internet itself has become a sin eater of sorts.
  12. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Bannon’s Deathly Hand”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bannon-s-deathly-hand

    The White House announced today that the decision not to mention Jews or anti-Semitism in its announcement commemorating Holocaust remembrance day was intentional. According to White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks, the statement made no mentions of Jews out of respect for the non-Jews who died in Nazi labor camps and death camps during World War II. Hicks told CNN: “Despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered.”

    It is true that millions died under the Nazis who were not Jews. They included targeted ethnic groups like Roma (Gypsies), homosexuals, left-wing dissidents, people with disabilities, etc. But it has long been a trope of Holocaust deniers and white nationalists to insist that Jews were only incidentally targeted.

    In any case, there are no word limits in presidential statements. A more logical and worthwhile approach would be to note the various groups who were victimized. This isn’t accidental. The new administration is riddled with anti-Semites and those who want to cater to anti-Semites.

    • Replies: @(((Joshua)))
    Holy cow that is incredible. I honestly could not believe that link was real. The guy they interviewed pretty much handwaved away all the other people killed: but but what about the Jews!
    , @Hubbub

    The new administration is riddled with anti-Semites and those who want to cater to anti-Semites.
     
    Could it be said, likewise, that the news organizations and the media in general are riddled with Semites and those who want to cater to Semites?
  13. Steve Sailer

    “Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?”

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America."

    Since America elected Hitler (Trump) as POTUS that means The U.S is now Nazi Germany, Muslim refugees are Jewish Holocaust survivors, and Clock Boy is Anne Frank.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America."

    No, but yours is, nitwit. The refugees in question are trying to come to this "racist" country, governed by the new "literally Hitler".
    , @International Jew
    That is indeed the intended analogy. But it's still a faulty analogy.

    German Jews had been declared an alien presence and stripped of their citizenship and all their rights; they were homeless in every sense.

    Today's Syrian "refugees" (as well as the Pakistanis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Libyans etc posing as Syrians) all have their own countries, of whose majority population they are members. Yes things are bad in their countries but it's bad there for everybody.

    Letting these people into the US is like letting Christian Germans come here in 1943 because, well, things had gotten too hot for them in Germany.

    , @guest
    I agree, the reference is to refugees from Germany. But the same sort of people have been arguing that Trump is Hitler, so it's Hitlers both ways. Either you escape from Hitler and find a home in Nazi Germany, or you are rejected by Nazi Germany and have no choice but to stay with Hitler.

    Confusing times in lefty Memeland.
    , @Anon

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.
     
    Just to add more perspective, when war was declared on Germany, Churchill rounded up all the Jewish refugees in Britain who had fled Hitler's Germany to avoid concentration camps, and deposited them into Brit concentration camps for the duration of the war.

    What too many people leave out when complaining about the treatment of the Jews before and during WWII was that the Jews were generally despised around the world at the time. It's one thing to claim being a political scapegoat if simply one host country is rejecting you, but if the entire world objects to your general presence, the "scapegoat" theory becomes ridiculous, and one should try to consider other, more concrete and historically verifiable reasons for worldwide disdain.

    , @Jack D
    So if Trump is not Hitler he must be FDR....
  14. LOL

    Soon there will be demands that the ruling party build camps to house all the disembarking newcomers.

  15. The problem is that continuous war has been normalized, where it is considered irrelevant to the wellbeing of the people of the country waging the war. But despite the denials and distractions, regardless of the manipulation of public opinion, it cannot be true. War has consequences and is not meant to be comfortable nor cannot ever be free of severe discomfort, even when the day of reckoning is tried to be put off.

    This is a concept that is novel in implementation, but not a new discovery. Any competent leader of the past never allowed mass immigration from countries he or she was at war with. If you want to end endless waves of hostile refugees who didn’t appreciate you killing their children, their fathers, their mothers, their brothers and sisters, then you need to stop violent regime change, wars of choice and occupations and let people work out their own issues where they are.

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return. To destabilize our own countries, for the sake of elite “American Interests” is totally against the interests of Americans.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @bomag

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return.
     
    Very apt, but the problem is that these regions don't have the resources and ability to take care of their people, so they can hardly achieve stability beyond a refugee camp, let alone the promise of life in a first world country.
    , @Fran Macadam
    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn't been a policy they've been handed that they haven't managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it's only gotten worse.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration's agenda, including judges.
    , @Thea
    The left lost all legitimacy by not keeping their promise to try Bush and end his wars.

    They would have had support from a lot on the right.

  16. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    It deserves the treatment of a 80s VHS box tagline, like for a cheesy exploitation Roger Cotman flick: “Club 1930s Dystopia– Some people would kill to get in!”

    “U.S.A. Neo-ReicKKK Party-House– The neighbors wouldn’t have it any other way!”

    Anyway I see MSNBC has switched back to their normal programming, a prison documentary

  17. This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    • Replies: @Space Ghost
    Let me explain this to you...the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is "literally Hitler" ... or at least, a very close analog.
    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.

    So the Germany analogy is actually correct. *Of course* refugees did not demand entry into Nazi Germany. Therefore, today's refugees *should not demand entry into the USA*
    , @Mr. Anon
    Not so quick on the uptake, are you?
    , @Bill Jones
    It's a play on the fact that Trump has been called "Literally Hitler" by the loony left.
    , @Big Bill
    You are too short for this ride.
    , @Jack D
    I think they should be calling Trump, "Literally FDR" because FDR is the one who wouldn't let refugees into the US, but I don't think the Democrats would like comparing Trump to their hero FDR.

    Trump also wants massive public works projects to get the working class back to work and he is willing to upset the established way of doing things in Washington. So, the more that I think about it, Trump IS FDR.

    Remember the Time magazine cover where Obama was FDR (come to think of it, remember Time magazine - does it still exist?)? Of course that came to nothing but it shows you that FDR is still the hero of the Left. No matter how much Trump is like FDR, they will never admit it.

  18. In related news:

    South-East Asian(literally likens himself to) Hitler is commencing with his eugenics program on literally six million poor Filipino women:

    The Philippine president, Rodrigo Duterte, signed an executive order this month calling for the full and immediate enforcement of a 2012 law that would give six million women like Ms. Torreras free government-distributed contraception and reproductive health services.

    Mr. Duterte portrayed the order as an antipoverty measure, with an official calling it “pro-life, pro-women, pro-children and pro-economic development.”

    But the order was also Mr. Duterte’s latest jab at the Roman Catholic Church, which wields significant power in the Philippines and has fought for years to keep the law from taking effect.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/asia/philippines-free-contraception-duterte.html

    Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte likens himself to Hitler – video

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/sep/30/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-likens-himself-to-hitler-video

    North American Hitler still has much to learn…

    Return on Investment: A Fuller Assessment
    of the Benefits and Cost Savings of the US
    Publicly Funded Family Planning Program

    This investment resulted in net government savings of $13.6 billion
    in 2010, or $7.09 for every public dollar spent.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/journals/MQ-Frost_1468-0009.12080.pdf

    If fly over America was lashing out at their loss of jobs in this last election, which by the way Trump can’t fix, since enhanced automation will be even more a feature of US companies’ practices, this tenet of women’s right of privacy, now 43 years in place, will insure that not only will Trump have a 2 year window before he loses control of Congress, but that many of his other issues will be so delayed as to make them un-actionable.

    I covered this point in my earlier op ed piece, A Trump Attack On Planned Parenthood Would Be Strategic Madness.

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/01/top-trump-advisor-kellyanne-conway-will-speak-at-anti-abortion-march/

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    It's amusing the level of condescension in this explanation:

    If fly over America was lashing out at their loss of jobs in this last election, which by the way Trump can’t fix, since enhanced automation will be even more a feature of US companies’ practices, this tenet of women’s right of privacy, now 43 years in place, will insure that not only will Trump have a 2 year window before he loses control of Congress, but that many of his other issues will be so delayed as to make them un-actionable.
     
    I remember that condescension was the number 1 technique on how in influence people and change their minds.
  19. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Today was a milestone in mainstream media self destruction. It was total newsroom hysteria over a few foreigners being held up at the airports.

    Media approval poll numbers have sunk to lows equal to congress. The same virus that infected Rolling Stone is everywhere. Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It’s just one hatchet job after another on Trump.

    WashPost is ruined it’s like a dumped but still obsessed ex-girlfriend who won’t stop stalking. It’s not journalism …

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    Get ready for the Inevitable. When the next full moon comes around, a CNN talking head, preferably a shapely female, will rip off every article of clothing and start baying at the studio lights.
    https://youtu.be/FLaMI2N4kAM
    Hillary has showed that it can be done!
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It’s just one hatchet job after another on Trump."

    Yes, they were fully weaponized when President Trump publicly called them fake news, to their face!

    CNN doesn't even pretend to have balance anymore: it's 24/7 Trumphobia. How much longer before someone on CNN openly calls for President Trump's murder?
    , @Anonymous
    I used to scroll through the news each day on my cell phone while commuting. But increasingly, its been one 'Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler' article after another, so stopped bothering for a while.

    But I happened to notice on (Friday?) a great article by Newt about Trump making the establishment wet their pants, so maybe a few kernels of sense can still be found out there.

  20. White Liberals, Hispanics, Asians, African Americans, Muslims, etc have all been wanting to be ruled by Adolf Hitler since the year 2000. George W. Bush was the original Republican Hitler 15 years before Donald J. Trump announced he’s running for POTUS.

    http://mugsysrapsheet.com/4blog/BushHitler/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg

    http://www.freewebs.com/write-on-book-club/CARTOON-Nazi-Bush.jpg

    https://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bush-hitler-4.jpg

    http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushhitlersalute.jpg

    https://standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/bush-hitler-history-repeats.jpg

    The Left’s definition of who is Hitler is as extremely broad as their definition of who is a racist, who is a woman, who is a man, who is a rapist, and who is an American for example.

    Any Republican/Conservative who is compared to Hitler should take it as a badge of honor because it means that person is doing something right to piss off the Left.

    It’s gotten to the point where now I will only vote for a Republican for POTUS if the Left says that person is Hitler, lol.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    Good point. I can think of a few Republicans who are not literally Hitler who I would never vote for for POTUS: McCain, Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Kasich.
  21. “Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.”

    birds of a feather flock together:

    “In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.”

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-mufti-and-the-f-uuml-hrer

    springtime ya?

  22. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    So many gnat brains bitching today about Mohammed and Mustafa not being to come and go as they please.

    We’ve had a record legal & illegal immigration flood for 30 frigging years! The borders need to be closed for a century to assimilate all of these exotic sh*theads.

    There are far more El Salvadoran immigrants in America now than Irish that came in the Great Wave of olden days!

    CLOSE THE DAMN BORDERS

  23. Breaking: A (((New York Federal Judge))) has deemed Trumps “Muslim ban” executive order unconstitutional, whatever that means.

    • Replies: @gregor
    I believe all the stay does is say you can't detain people indefinitely in airports, etc., until all of this gets resolved. But the order is still in effect for future travelers.
  24. With all the uproar today affecting airports all around the country, on a Saturday in January, and a judge issuing an order pertaining to all affected “refugees” as a class, the question that should logically follow is “just how the hell many refugees are coming in on a daily basis??”

    • Replies: @Lot
    About 300 per day under Obama. The problem is less refugees under the US program and more people who overstay visas or just show up, claim asylum, and disappear.

    I hope another Trump order coming soon is suspending the visa lottery. The left will do everything in its power to admit as many Muslims, Africans, and Central Americans regardless of US law. Trump needs to do at least use his full power under the law in response.

    There are still 800 DACA work permits going to illegals per day, and now with Judge Donnelly's order the flow from the Terrorist 7 countries will resume after a one day pause.

    Once Sessions is confirmed Trump will at least have his best pick in charge of the most important part of the federal government.
  25. @Mike Sylwester
    This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.
    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.

    So the Germany analogy is actually correct. *Of course* refugees did not demand entry into Nazi Germany. Therefore, today’s refugees *should not demand entry into the USA*

    • Replies: @danindc
    Sylwester and Diaz are "literally idiots"
    , @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.
  26. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    “Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.”

    Since America elected Hitler (Trump) as POTUS that means The U.S is now Nazi Germany, Muslim refugees are Jewish Holocaust survivors, and Clock Boy is Anne Frank.

  27. Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to feel
    the jackboot of tyranny upon their necks,
    as the dark night of fascism descends upon them.

  28. @Calogero
    Trump should remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the Statue of Liberty. It would solve a lot of our problems,

    “Trump should remove the Emma Lazarus poem from the Statue of Liberty.”

    Yes, he should. He could replace it with the preamble to the Constitution.

  29. @Mike Sylwester
    This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    Not so quick on the uptake, are you?

  30. @guest
    I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That's been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.

    In truth, yes, the protesters are likening the refugee ban to turning away the St. Louis.

    But at the same time, they’re likening Trump to Hitler. Every day of the week. No exaggeration.

    I don’t think there was ever an example of Hitler turning down refugees. I think the Nazis in 1940 or so asked the Soviets if they would accept the Jews the Nazis wanted out of Europe, and the Soviets said no. So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that’s a little too subtle for them.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that’s a little too subtle for them."

    Comparing Joseph Stalin to Donald J. Trump is considered a knock on Stalin in the eyes of the Left and the Left would never say anything negative about Stalin. In the eyes of the Left Joseph is lovable Bambi compared to Donald J. Hitler.

  31. @Space Ghost
    Let me explain this to you...the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is "literally Hitler" ... or at least, a very close analog.
    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.

    So the Germany analogy is actually correct. *Of course* refugees did not demand entry into Nazi Germany. Therefore, today's refugees *should not demand entry into the USA*

    Sylwester and Diaz are “literally idiots”

  32. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    “Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.”

    No, but yours is, nitwit. The refugees in question are trying to come to this “racist” country, governed by the new “literally Hitler”.

  33. BTW the president who turned away the St. Louis did a lot of executive order stuff-one being the removal of japanese-Americans from the west coast to places like Topaz in Utah. I don’t recall seeing mention of it at the FDR memorial in DC but it could be tucked away in a corner.

  34. @Sid
    In truth, yes, the protesters are likening the refugee ban to turning away the St. Louis.

    But at the same time, they're likening Trump to Hitler. Every day of the week. No exaggeration.

    I don't think there was ever an example of Hitler turning down refugees. I think the Nazis in 1940 or so asked the Soviets if they would accept the Jews the Nazis wanted out of Europe, and the Soviets said no. So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that's a little too subtle for them.

    “So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that’s a little too subtle for them.”

    Comparing Joseph Stalin to Donald J. Trump is considered a knock on Stalin in the eyes of the Left and the Left would never say anything negative about Stalin. In the eyes of the Left Joseph is lovable Bambi compared to Donald J. Hitler.

    • Replies: @guest
    That's not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian.

    There's a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally, and it might have been written and produced by neocons for all I know. But Hollywood isn't Passion of the Christ-ing it, so it would appear they're okay with the message.

    The trailer I saw was rough on Uncle Joe. It came off like a WWII propaganda movie, only against the Soviets instead of worshipful of their plucky anti-Nazi-ness.

  35. @Anonymous
    "Bannon's Deathly Hand"

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bannon-s-deathly-hand

    The White House announced today that the decision not to mention Jews or anti-Semitism in its announcement commemorating Holocaust remembrance day was intentional. According to White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks, the statement made no mentions of Jews out of respect for the non-Jews who died in Nazi labor camps and death camps during World War II. Hicks told CNN: "Despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered."

    It is true that millions died under the Nazis who were not Jews. They included targeted ethnic groups like Roma (Gypsies), homosexuals, left-wing dissidents, people with disabilities, etc. But it has long been a trope of Holocaust deniers and white nationalists to insist that Jews were only incidentally targeted.

    In any case, there are no word limits in presidential statements. A more logical and worthwhile approach would be to note the various groups who were victimized. This isn't accidental. The new administration is riddled with anti-Semites and those who want to cater to anti-Semites.
     

    Holy cow that is incredible. I honestly could not believe that link was real. The guy they interviewed pretty much handwaved away all the other people killed: but but what about the Jews!

  36. I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don’t give visas to people — but once you do that, you can’t willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump’s immigration agenda among people like me who don’t want ILLEGAL immigration

    • Replies: @Lot
    Completely wrong, Trump has no obligation to abide by the visa and green card decisions of Bush and Obama, which doubled the US Muslim population. Visas and green cards are regularly revoked, they are very far from citizenship.
    , @27 year old
    Let me buy you a clue: we don't want legal immigrants either. Bye Felicia!
    , @Mr. Anon

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump’s immigration agenda among people like me who don’t want ILLEGAL immigration
     
    Hey - if your a green-card holder, you're welcome to go back to your own country.

    The problem is not just illegal immigration - it is legal immigration.

    We have a right to not want you here. We have a right to not want ANY of you here.

    , @StAugustine
    In fact, my French visa is not anything like a guarantee to enter the country either, as per the French consulate:

    http://www.consulfrance-chicago.org/Long-stay-visa-for-visitors

    Please note that holders of visas are still subject to immigration control upon first entry into France. The visa itself does not grant the right to enter France.
     
    And what do you know, the US has the same kind of conditions - just because the consulate gives you a visa doesn't mean that the customs officers will let you in.

    https://ais.usvisa-info.com/fr-fr/niv/information/faqs

    Un visa ne donne pas le droit d'entrer aux USA. Un visa indique simplement que votre demande a été examinée par un officer consulaire américain à l'Ambassade des Etats-Unis, et que l'officier a décidé que vous étiez en droit de voyager jusqu'au port d'entrée pour un but spécifique.
     
    "A visa does not give the right to enter the USA. A visa simply states that your application was examined by a US consular officer at the US Embassy and the officer decided that you were entitled to travel to the port of entry for a specific purpose."

    Very cool I found on the same FAQ site an URGENT NOTICE:

    "Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification. If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time. "
     
    , @Autochthon
    Your handle suggests you aren't a citizen. A great many of us actual Americans don't want any immigration. We could not care less if a would-be immigrant has a visa, a work permit, or a brilliant mind (brilliant persons, by the way, are free to be brilliant in their own countries, where they will in fact benefit those countries, rather than to displace Americans and leave their own countries deprived of brilliant people thereby perpetuating those countries' problems).

    You use the word "arbitrary" a lot, but I don't think it means what you think it means. If the president had closed his eyes and thrown darts at a map of the world, then excluded persons from the nations the darts struck, that would have been arbitrary. Instead, he thoughtfully and deliberately excludes persons from known hellholes filled with especially murderous Modammedans. Again, though, we Americans are entitled to exclude anyone, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all (i.e., actually arbitrarily), because its our country, not theirs. I have no doubt my locked doors exclude very nice people from my residence, along with burglars and other riff-raff, but that's my business, and I don't care whether my houseguests like it or not.

  37. @Glossy
    I think there's been a ratcheting up of anti-Trump rhetoric in Twitter over the last few days. I read this stuff in amazement.

    Polarization has been increasing for quite a few years, probably because of the Internet. If you extend that trend line to infinity, you get civil war. One argument against that is that people have gotten wimpier. But I'm expecting more violent clashes between demonstrators and police, demonstrators and counter-demonstrators. I'm curious about people's opinions on where this is all heading. How much will Trump be able to accomplish, what would the other side do in return?

    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film “Bushwick” that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of “The Turner Diaries,” with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn’t necessarily mean anything, business-wise — plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That’s new and kind of frightening. What’s more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump’s election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left — the mainstream left, because I don’t have any friends who are extremist radicals — is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump’s administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I’ve never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I am seeing it mostly to exclusively on the left. Is that your perception also?
    , @Mr. Blank
    If things continue to deteriorate, it might be interesting to see on which side American Jews largely fall. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Jew sentiment on the right. But there's also a growing, noisy faction on the left that sees whites, particularly white men, the same way Nazis viewed Jews -- and as far as they're concerned, Jews are just white people squared.

    If you're a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join? The side where many folks see you as Evil Jews, or the side where many folks see you as the very worst, most irredeemable of the Evil Whites?
    , @Rod1963


    is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump’s administration justifies a violent and bloody response.
     
    It has already started. It began during the primaries when Trump was already being labeled as Hitler and his base called "deplorables", "irredeemables", "dirt people", "bitter clingers", "racists", "xenophobes", etc. Not to mention the MSM sanctioning violence against Trump supporters and urban police turning a blind eye to it.

    Now with the Left in full meltdown mode and the Democrats doubling down on hating Whitey and coupled with the MSM engaging in panic mongering, you have a recipe for incitement to violence.
    , @anonguy

    I’ve never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.
     
    Do you think it accidental that Trump's first two actions, and quite prominent ones, in office were appointing stalwart hearties at DoD and Homeland Security which was then quickly followed by a Kiss and Makeup with CIA?

    Get the guys in the state security business locked in.

    In the days leading up to the inauguration, I was concerned about some attempt to deny Trump the swearing in.

    I definitely agree with you, the rhetoric/mindset of the leftists is unprecedented. And on top of that, Trump is positively delighting his supporters. So the chasm is growing by movement on both sides.

    Maybe a Calexit would take the steam out of things?
  38. @Space Ghost
    Let me explain this to you...the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is "literally Hitler" ... or at least, a very close analog.
    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.

    So the Germany analogy is actually correct. *Of course* refugees did not demand entry into Nazi Germany. Therefore, today's refugees *should not demand entry into the USA*

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.

    This is a foolish post.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "This is a foolish post."

    This is not a foolish post at all. The same Left Tards who chant Let Them In are the same Left Tards who chant Trump Is Hitler. If Trump is Hitler and he now runs this country what does that make America? The answer is Nazi Germany. So let these MENA Muslims into the new Nazi Germany so that they can be Auschwitzed by president Donald J. Hitler. His new 2020 slogan will be MSHGA = Make Sieg Heil Great Again.
    , @Opinionator
    It is ironic is it not that migrants would be fleeing Hitler to take refuge with another Hitler?
    , @Daniel H
    Gee Mike. Everybody knows that I'm quite gullible and a little slow on the uptake here, but I can still figure it out. I think that the post is hilarious and I'm going to share it on my Facebook feed.
    , @Dumbo
    They are not fleeing "Hitler". They are fleeing poverty and/or war caused (in part) by America, and want to be let into America. This, of course, taking their claims at face value, as many asylum seekers are scammers.

    I think the irony is pretty clear, in any case.
    , @bomag

    That is not apparent...
     
    And the hole gets deeper.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    This is a foolish post.
     
    Self-criticism is good for the soul. Perhaps it will help you avoid making the same mistake in the future.
  39. Can’t we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay. You pay for shipping, and it’s yours.

    Liberty Island could be repurposed as a detention center for illegal aliens.

    • Replies: @EriK
    And here I thought they already moved it to Vegas.
    , @res

    Can’t we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay.
     
    Don't blame the Statue of Liberty for the poem added later. Friendship of France with the US and the US as a beacon demonstrating liberty to the world are both laudable aims IMHO. The torch symbolizes a beacon to illuminate the path to Liberty, not a "Vacancy" sign.

    And Liberty sure has some awfully curious meanings these days.
  40. The Muslim ban lite order was just partially blocked nationwide by a Brooklyn federal judge. It will likely play out like the block on Obama’s second executive amnesty. Unless Scalia is replaced the block will be upheld by the liberal 2nd Circuit and an equally devised Supreme Court.

    The best response would dumping Obama’s first amnesty, which is still in effect and giving 800 illegals work permits per day.

  41. @Philippe Lemoine
    I just wrote a post about Trump's executive order: http://necpluribusimpar.net/executive-order-immigration/. Among other things, I point out that the amount of hypocrisy about this is really staggering...

    ,
    Great post. Trump should have just blocked the entrance of incoming/future refugees, or those who haven’t arrived in the country yet.

    • Replies: @Philippe Lemoine
    Thanks, that's exactly what I think, but luckily for him he may yet be saved by the stupidity of his opponents.
    , @e
    I see you haven't yet paid attention to his Art of the Deal. He tells you what he will do, does it, and STILL, like the press, you ignore what he has told you he will do and HOW he will do it.
  42. Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?

    If they were logical they wouldn’t be leftists.

  43. @Margulon_with_the_green_card
    I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don't give visas to people -- but once you do that, you can't willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump's immigration agenda among people like me who don't want ILLEGAL immigration

    Completely wrong, Trump has no obligation to abide by the visa and green card decisions of Bush and Obama, which doubled the US Muslim population. Visas and green cards are regularly revoked, they are very far from citizenship.

  44. @Margulon_with_the_green_card
    I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don't give visas to people -- but once you do that, you can't willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump's immigration agenda among people like me who don't want ILLEGAL immigration

    Let me buy you a clue: we don’t want legal immigrants either. Bye Felicia!

  45. @Margulon_with_the_green_card
    I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don't give visas to people -- but once you do that, you can't willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump's immigration agenda among people like me who don't want ILLEGAL immigration

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump’s immigration agenda among people like me who don’t want ILLEGAL immigration

    Hey – if your a green-card holder, you’re welcome to go back to your own country.

    The problem is not just illegal immigration – it is legal immigration.

    We have a right to not want you here. We have a right to not want ANY of you here.

  46. yo new hampshire, vermont, newyork
    show up on this guys door:

    Boston Mayor offers City Hall as a “safe space” for illegal aliens

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/28/boston-mayor-offers-city-hall-as-a-safe-space-for-illegal-aliens/

    have fun with it

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    If I were an illegal alien Aztec, I'd be worried somebody would turn me upside down and rip my heart out on top of Boston's City Hall:

    http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/20th/boscity1.jpg

  47. @Thomas
    With all the uproar today affecting airports all around the country, on a Saturday in January, and a judge issuing an order pertaining to all affected "refugees" as a class, the question that should logically follow is "just how the hell many refugees are coming in on a daily basis??"

    About 300 per day under Obama. The problem is less refugees under the US program and more people who overstay visas or just show up, claim asylum, and disappear.

    I hope another Trump order coming soon is suspending the visa lottery. The left will do everything in its power to admit as many Muslims, Africans, and Central Americans regardless of US law. Trump needs to do at least use his full power under the law in response.

    There are still 800 DACA work permits going to illegals per day, and now with Judge Donnelly’s order the flow from the Terrorist 7 countries will resume after a one day pause.

    Once Sessions is confirmed Trump will at least have his best pick in charge of the most important part of the federal government.

  48. One of my coworkers from India has a mother in law that routinely stays 11 months in India then briefly comes to the US to maintain her green card. So I’m guessing it can be easily abused by those with nefarious intentions.

  49. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    This is all Putin’s doing. Why aren’t the protesters at the Russian embassy?

  50. @newrouter
    yo new hampshire, vermont, newyork
    show up on this guys door:

    Boston Mayor offers City Hall as a “safe space” for illegal aliens

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/28/boston-mayor-offers-city-hall-as-a-safe-space-for-illegal-aliens/


    have fun with it

    If I were an illegal alien Aztec, I’d be worried somebody would turn me upside down and rip my heart out on top of Boston’s City Hall:

    http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/20th/boscity1.jpg

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Brutalism. Obey Giant as architecture.

    The first time I was in Boston, I had to walk by that monstrosity to get to Faneuil Hall. I asked myself, "what the hell is this, right next to a historic American building?"

  51. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    That is indeed the intended analogy. But it’s still a faulty analogy.

    German Jews had been declared an alien presence and stripped of their citizenship and all their rights; they were homeless in every sense.

    Today’s Syrian “refugees” (as well as the Pakistanis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Libyans etc posing as Syrians) all have their own countries, of whose majority population they are members. Yes things are bad in their countries but it’s bad there for everybody.

    Letting these people into the US is like letting Christian Germans come here in 1943 because, well, things had gotten too hot for them in Germany.

  52. @27 year old
    Breaking: A (((New York Federal Judge))) has deemed Trumps "Muslim ban" executive order unconstitutional, whatever that means.

    I believe all the stay does is say you can’t detain people indefinitely in airports, etc., until all of this gets resolved. But the order is still in effect for future travelers.

  53. @Mr. Blank
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film "Bushwick" that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of "The Turner Diaries," with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn't necessarily mean anything, business-wise -- plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That's new and kind of frightening. What's more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump's election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left -- the mainstream left, because I don't have any friends who are extremist radicals -- is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump's administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I've never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I am seeing it mostly to exclusively on the left. Is that your perception also?

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren't fighters. If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks' side.
    , @Mr. Blank
    Well, I've heard loudmouths of various stripes on the right talk about civil war and revolution my whole life. None have ever done anything, but it's always been a topic of discussion, at least in the background.

    But the left -- excluding the communist far left -- have always, in my experience, carried around this unconscious assumption that they could always count on government storm troopers being on their side, serving their interests. Even if individual storm troopers harbored doubts, the assumption was that those guys would work for them.

    They've gradually started to lose that confidence over the past few years. The election of Trump seems to have crystallized this realization: Holy crap, we can't count on the scary government guys with guns to enforce OUR will! They might actually start working AGAINST us!

    The right has always assumed that. But it seems like Trump has been a huge epiphany for the left on this matter, and they're freaking out over it. It's like a horror movie for them: It turns out that the machinery for Nazi domination that they'd always feared WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM THE WHOLE TIME.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    There's a certain amount of newfound clarity now, with lefties (and an increasing portion of the political establishment, including the MSM) declaring outright that violence and lawbreaking are justified and proper when they don't agree with the results of an election.

    We even saw it in advance of the election, in places like San Jose and Phoenix, even though it was Mr Trump whom they accused of threatening to deny the legitimacy of an election which they were sure was in the bag.

    For my part, I sort of like having them on record for this.
  54. @Mr. Blank
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film "Bushwick" that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of "The Turner Diaries," with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn't necessarily mean anything, business-wise -- plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That's new and kind of frightening. What's more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump's election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left -- the mainstream left, because I don't have any friends who are extremist radicals -- is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump's administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I've never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    If things continue to deteriorate, it might be interesting to see on which side American Jews largely fall. Obviously, there’s a lot of anti-Jew sentiment on the right. But there’s also a growing, noisy faction on the left that sees whites, particularly white men, the same way Nazis viewed Jews — and as far as they’re concerned, Jews are just white people squared.

    If you’re a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join? The side where many folks see you as Evil Jews, or the side where many folks see you as the very worst, most irredeemable of the Evil Whites?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    If you’re a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join?
     
    Here’s my past comment about that (#114).

    There may already be some promising signs.

    One caveat: even “magnanimous” White Nationalists may not fully trust Jewish allies. It’s one thing for Jews to play along (for now), and quite another to be an unreserved pro-white-Gentile righteous Jew. Actions over time will speak the truth. Inconstancy will be easily detected by said WNs. Loyalty will be rewarded. In the recent Obey Giant thread, Intelligent Dasein confessed to some meme puzzlement:

    Then again, I still don’t get Pepe the Frog either.
     
    Smug Pepe’s expression says to the guilty:

    “We know who you are and we know what you’ve been doing for quite some time. The game is up.”
     
    My advice to Jews who want to “get right with Kek”: Fight for white (i.e. racially European) group preservation and self-determination—even if many WNs don’t see Jews as white. If this requires calling out Jewish anti-Gentiles as such, do not flinch. This may be ‘hard on the ego,’ and I sympathize.

    This scene from Mulholland Drive shows the moment of realization I’m trying to describe. I’m pretty sure Jews as a People do not want to see The Cowboy twice within the span of 100 years.

    Like The Cowboy says:

    “… and if you fix your attitude, you can ride along with me.”
     
    I sincerely hope this answers your posed “Catch-22” question.
    , @Samuel Skinner
    Who do I support? The right. Even just counting the Nazis they are more capable of rational thought, are willing to let you live if you leave the country (and want you to leave) and are capable of being negotiated with. Also tend to be rather open about their intentions. The fact the right is more sane and has beliefs grounded in reality is the biggie for me.

    The left wants to bring in Muslims who have shown a remarkable propensity for murdering Jews, is willing to declare burning down synagogues an 'act of free speech against Israel' (Germany) and is willing to overlook open calls for white genocide. As an honorary white and with white friends and relatives who are white that is unacceptable.

    Even if I don't get to be counted as a white person, I still like white people and would like them not to die horribly. Even the current Nazis.
  55. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    southpaw ‏@nycsouthpaw

    Bannon and Miller INTERVENED to apply the order to green card holders–overruling legal guidance. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

    A NYT writer responds:

    Max Fisher ‏@Max_Fisher

    Why would you target legal permanent residents unless your goal was to change the US ethnic makeup? There is a phrase for that.

    Is this Peak Unawareness or the hysterical distortions of a guilty conscience?

  56. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    “This is a foolish post.”

    This is not a foolish post at all. The same Left Tards who chant Let Them In are the same Left Tards who chant Trump Is Hitler. If Trump is Hitler and he now runs this country what does that make America? The answer is Nazi Germany. So let these MENA Muslims into the new Nazi Germany so that they can be Auschwitzed by president Donald J. Hitler. His new 2020 slogan will be MSHGA = Make Sieg Heil Great Again.

  57. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    It is ironic is it not that migrants would be fleeing Hitler to take refuge with another Hitler?

  58. For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn’t have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler’s career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn’t have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler’s career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants."

    So Adolf Hitler was about as "German" as Benito Mussolini.
    , @Luke
    And Stalin was Georgian; and Bob's your uncle.
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    Hitler was an immigrant. Or literal Hitler was a literal immigrant.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    If I recall correctly, Hitler was granted German citizenship as a result of his service in the World War I German Army. He was an Austrian, but didn't like serving in the polyglot Austro-Hungarian Army. He personally petitioned the King of Bavaria to be permitted to serve in a Bavarian infantry regiment, where he served commendably for almost four years on the Western Front, including the Battle of First Ypres. He certainly considered himself German and his return to Vienna after the German-Austrian Anschluss may have been the personal highlight of his life.

    But, yes, making him German was a bad idea.
    , @al gore rhythms
    And Mussolini became politically active when he moved to Switzerland. There is a theme there....
  59. This is not so new, I mean non-whites and leftists keeps saying that white people are racist but at the same time most non-whites with the support of the left want to go to white countries, apparently to be oppressed.

  60. @Jefferson
    "So I suppose people could liken Trump to Stalin, but that’s a little too subtle for them."

    Comparing Joseph Stalin to Donald J. Trump is considered a knock on Stalin in the eyes of the Left and the Left would never say anything negative about Stalin. In the eyes of the Left Joseph is lovable Bambi compared to Donald J. Hitler.

    That’s not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian.

    There’s a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally, and it might have been written and produced by neocons for all I know. But Hollywood isn’t Passion of the Christ-ing it, so it would appear they’re okay with the message.

    The trailer I saw was rough on Uncle Joe. It came off like a WWII propaganda movie, only against the Soviets instead of worshipful of their plucky anti-Nazi-ness.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "That’s not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian."

    That is exactly true. How come the Left does not compare Donald J. Trump to Joseph Stalin. Why is Adolf Hitler always the default comparison? Why is Stalin chopped liver on the Left?
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "There’s a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally"

    What a fortunate coincidence that the very first US movie about Ukrainians being killed in their millions by Russians should come out now, just when "we need to support Ukraine against literally Stalin".

  61. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    Gee Mike. Everybody knows that I’m quite gullible and a little slow on the uptake here, but I can still figure it out. I think that the post is hilarious and I’m going to share it on my Facebook feed.

  62. Trump is now being compared by one Jewish group to the (ahem, liberal Democratic) president who turned away Jewish refugees.

    Makes me want to ask them how many Syrian refugees Israel has taken in.

  63. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    They are not fleeing “Hitler”. They are fleeing poverty and/or war caused (in part) by America, and want to be let into America. This, of course, taking their claims at face value, as many asylum seekers are scammers.

    I think the irony is pretty clear, in any case.

  64. @Fran Macadam
    The problem is that continuous war has been normalized, where it is considered irrelevant to the wellbeing of the people of the country waging the war. But despite the denials and distractions, regardless of the manipulation of public opinion, it cannot be true. War has consequences and is not meant to be comfortable nor cannot ever be free of severe discomfort, even when the day of reckoning is tried to be put off.

    This is a concept that is novel in implementation, but not a new discovery. Any competent leader of the past never allowed mass immigration from countries he or she was at war with. If you want to end endless waves of hostile refugees who didn't appreciate you killing their children, their fathers, their mothers, their brothers and sisters, then you need to stop violent regime change, wars of choice and occupations and let people work out their own issues where they are.

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return. To destabilize our own countries, for the sake of elite "American Interests" is totally against the interests of Americans.

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return.

    Very apt, but the problem is that these regions don’t have the resources and ability to take care of their people, so they can hardly achieve stability beyond a refugee camp, let alone the promise of life in a first world country.

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    We have the resources and ability, I would hope, to cease regime change, proxy wars, funneling weapons to belligerents, bombing and other assorted warmaking in those countries. In fact, if any of the amount of that war money and effort instead went into funding refugee resettlement programs instead, there would be more than adequate funding resources. As for ability, it's hard to say. Since despite unlimited war resources there has been no actual ability to win them, maybe not.

    But the historical inevitability of "invade the world, invite the world" with the eventual demise of the imperial center is a proven consequence that we cannot evade otherwise.
  65. @Steve Sailer
    If I were an illegal alien Aztec, I'd be worried somebody would turn me upside down and rip my heart out on top of Boston's City Hall:

    http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/20th/boscity1.jpg

    Brutalism. Obey Giant as architecture.

    The first time I was in Boston, I had to walk by that monstrosity to get to Faneuil Hall. I asked myself, “what the hell is this, right next to a historic American building?”

    • Agree: ganderson
    • Replies: @ganderson
    Massachusetts may lead the country in ugly buildings per capita. U MASS-Amherst is hideous- the Fine Arts building looks like an uncompleted freeway off-ramp. And the W. E. B, DuBois library (named after a communist) is a giant middle finger to the world. Add to that the Southwest dorm complex, which look like cold war era Soviet apartment blocks, and you have a strong contender for the ugliest campus in America.
  66. @advancedatheist
    For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn't have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler's career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    “For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn’t have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler’s career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.”

    So Adolf Hitler was about as “German” as Benito Mussolini.

    • Replies: @guest
    No, because an ethnic German and German-speaking Austrian born near the German border is a lot closer to being German than someone from the Romagna, believe it or not.
  67. @Glossy
    I think there's been a ratcheting up of anti-Trump rhetoric in Twitter over the last few days. I read this stuff in amazement.

    Polarization has been increasing for quite a few years, probably because of the Internet. If you extend that trend line to infinity, you get civil war. One argument against that is that people have gotten wimpier. But I'm expecting more violent clashes between demonstrators and police, demonstrators and counter-demonstrators. I'm curious about people's opinions on where this is all heading. How much will Trump be able to accomplish, what would the other side do in return?

    The Left in the 60′s and 70′s, taking guidance from Mao’s Marxist Hegelianism, talked about “heightening the contradictions”, i.e., ratcheting up the polarization between Left & Right (between the oppressed and oppressors). Since the Left was destined to win (via “Scientific Socialism”!) the greater and sooner the polarization, the sooner the resolution of contradictions.

    The marvelous value of the present moment is allowing this polarization to play itself out. We have a “populist, far right” regime in power? Fine. Let’s see how the various players respond and act. Do they act wisely or stupidly? Are the results positive or negative? Are the victors’ actions good or bad news? (By whose standards?) Do the accepted street players (BLM, Black Bloc, etc.) help or hinder? These are exceedingly important questions. They’ve mostly gone undiscussed during the Obama era.

    Now’s a good opportunity…

  68. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    I agree, the reference is to refugees from Germany. But the same sort of people have been arguing that Trump is Hitler, so it’s Hitlers both ways. Either you escape from Hitler and find a home in Nazi Germany, or you are rejected by Nazi Germany and have no choice but to stay with Hitler.

    Confusing times in lefty Memeland.

  69. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    That is not apparent…

    And the hole gets deeper.

  70. @guest
    That's not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian.

    There's a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally, and it might have been written and produced by neocons for all I know. But Hollywood isn't Passion of the Christ-ing it, so it would appear they're okay with the message.

    The trailer I saw was rough on Uncle Joe. It came off like a WWII propaganda movie, only against the Soviets instead of worshipful of their plucky anti-Nazi-ness.

    “That’s not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian.”

    That is exactly true. How come the Left does not compare Donald J. Trump to Joseph Stalin. Why is Adolf Hitler always the default comparison? Why is Stalin chopped liver on the Left?

    • Replies: @guest
    Hitler is the go-to because he was in the Right Gang. Stalin they stay away from because he was in the Left Gang. But there are "intersectionalities" to consider, and whom you can and can't demonize changes over time.

    Stalin is not now what he was to the left in the 30s. Neither is he Hitler. But right now Ukraine is up and Russia way, way down, to the point where Hollywood feels comfortable releasing an anti-Stalin movie, despite his strong lefty credentials. (And despite the fact that he wasn't actually Russian.)

    He'll never, ever be Hitler, but he is now touchable.

  71. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Do I understand this correctly?”

    We are living in surreal times.

    Trump denounces American warmongering in Middle East from Bush to Obama and calls for peace with Russia. That makes him ‘Hitler’.

    All my life, I thought Hitlerism was about war-mongering and war with Russia.

    ‘Hitler’ just means what the GLOB doesn’t like.

  72. Apparently not all those detained think Trump is literally Hitler:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/fsxrekal/status/825553821992509440

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    That is hilarious. Guess they don't give you your outrage manual until you get a green card.
  73. @advancedatheist
    For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn't have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler's career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    And Stalin was Georgian; and Bob’s your uncle.

  74. @Jefferson
    "For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn’t have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler’s career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants."

    So Adolf Hitler was about as "German" as Benito Mussolini.

    No, because an ethnic German and German-speaking Austrian born near the German border is a lot closer to being German than someone from the Romagna, believe it or not.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes, and Hitler grew up as a child in an environment of strong German nationalism. Many German speakers in Linz in the 1890s-1900s identified with the fairly new Wilhelmine German state and blamed the Habsburgs for keeping them separated from their national destiny, and trapped in a political entity full of Slavs and Jews.
  75. @Opinionator
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I am seeing it mostly to exclusively on the left. Is that your perception also?

    I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren’t fighters. If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks’ side.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren’t fighters."

    I'm definitely seeing the bellicose rantings and threats. But you're right. They're talking the talk but they're not capable of walking the walk.

    "If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks’ side."

    You mean the people who understand the wisdom of having more than one gun, don't think 1000 rounds of ammo would be enough if TSHTF, know how to reload and cast bullets, and keep a supply of food and water on hand?

    Yeah, me, too.
    , @AndrewR
    Go on twitter and facebook and search for Richard Spencer. Read what people are saying about him. Not just marginal antifa scum but "respectable" liberals.
  76. @Opinionator
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I am seeing it mostly to exclusively on the left. Is that your perception also?

    Well, I’ve heard loudmouths of various stripes on the right talk about civil war and revolution my whole life. None have ever done anything, but it’s always been a topic of discussion, at least in the background.

    But the left — excluding the communist far left — have always, in my experience, carried around this unconscious assumption that they could always count on government storm troopers being on their side, serving their interests. Even if individual storm troopers harbored doubts, the assumption was that those guys would work for them.

    They’ve gradually started to lose that confidence over the past few years. The election of Trump seems to have crystallized this realization: Holy crap, we can’t count on the scary government guys with guns to enforce OUR will! They might actually start working AGAINST us!

    The right has always assumed that. But it seems like Trump has been a huge epiphany for the left on this matter, and they’re freaking out over it. It’s like a horror movie for them: It turns out that the machinery for Nazi domination that they’d always feared WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM THE WHOLE TIME.

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    If Trump is a successful president, I'd expect that to lead to the biggest upsurge of interest in libertarianism on the left in, yeesh, at least a century. Simultaneously, I'd expect it to lead to the lowest right-wing interest in libertarianism since World War II. Reason Magazine could finally come fully out of the closet.

    We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left...

    , @res

    WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF CREATED AND SUPPORTED BY THEM THE WHOLE TIME.
     
    FTFY
  77. I am thinking about the time Social Justice Warriors at Indiana University mistook a Catholic priest for a member of the Klan. If a guy on that college campus dressed up as Charlie Chaplin for Halloween along with the signature Chaplin mustache, I could see those very same low IQ Left Wing Tards mistaking him for being in a Adolf Hitler costume.

  78. @Mr. Blank
    Well, I've heard loudmouths of various stripes on the right talk about civil war and revolution my whole life. None have ever done anything, but it's always been a topic of discussion, at least in the background.

    But the left -- excluding the communist far left -- have always, in my experience, carried around this unconscious assumption that they could always count on government storm troopers being on their side, serving their interests. Even if individual storm troopers harbored doubts, the assumption was that those guys would work for them.

    They've gradually started to lose that confidence over the past few years. The election of Trump seems to have crystallized this realization: Holy crap, we can't count on the scary government guys with guns to enforce OUR will! They might actually start working AGAINST us!

    The right has always assumed that. But it seems like Trump has been a huge epiphany for the left on this matter, and they're freaking out over it. It's like a horror movie for them: It turns out that the machinery for Nazi domination that they'd always feared WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM THE WHOLE TIME.

    If Trump is a successful president, I’d expect that to lead to the biggest upsurge of interest in libertarianism on the left in, yeesh, at least a century. Simultaneously, I’d expect it to lead to the lowest right-wing interest in libertarianism since World War II. Reason Magazine could finally come fully out of the closet.

    We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left…

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left…"

    Barry Goldwater believed a White diner owner for example shouldn't have to serve a Black customer if he didn't want to, which is a very controversial political stance, so he will never be seen as a hero to the Left.
  79. @Anonymous
    "WH: No mention of Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day because others were killed too"

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/white-house-holocaust-memorial-day/index.html

    The White House statement on International Holocaust Remembrance Day didn't mention Jews or anti-Semitism because "despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered," administration spokeswoman Hope Hicks told CNN on Saturday.
     

    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just “All Lives Matter”ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.

    • Replies: @guest
    I like the analogy, because it makes the complaint look ridiculous. However, a few things:

    1. Unlike "all lives matter" whatever "Team Trump" did was not an overt action; it was at best an omission.

    2. I doubt it was deliberate, considering how Jewish-friendly Trump is (not that they recognize that fact, openly at least). It was just a pro forma, barely political thing.

    3. Is this an admission that Jews owning the Holocaust is a political weapon like discontented blacks and the Black Lives Hammer they've been threatening the country with for the last few years?
    , @Jefferson
    "Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just “All Lives Matter”ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale."

    Gypsy lives should trump Jewish lives in the vibrant diversity food chain because the average Gypsy has Brown skin.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/ed/c9/1aedc93df91714bb12e8f393edd0f515.jpg

    Look at how much more melanin that Gypsy woman has in her skin compared to the pasty stale pale blue eyed Jewess Dianne Feinstein.

    , @Opinionator
    Why is it so important to jews that they be specifically distinguished and that a presidential statement also include reference to "anti-Semitism"?

    By the stridency of their objections, it is almost as if doing so would have some actual influence on the right here and now.
    , @Thea
    If any groups wants to claim the most killed by the Holocaust title Russians have a better argument than Jews. But they never sued Switzerland for their "stolen art."
  80. @JohnnyD
    @Philippe Lemoine,
    Great post. Trump should have just blocked the entrance of incoming/future refugees, or those who haven't arrived in the country yet.

    Thanks, that’s exactly what I think, but luckily for him he may yet be saved by the stupidity of his opponents.

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    Philippe Lemoine,
    His hysterical opponents don't see a difference between legal residents who already live and future refugees/immigrants. They're basically saying that every Somali, Syrian, Iranian, Yemeni, Iraqi, Sudanese, and Libyan has a right to move. Trump's people need to emphasize this important point.
  81. @Mr. Blank
    If Trump is a successful president, I'd expect that to lead to the biggest upsurge of interest in libertarianism on the left in, yeesh, at least a century. Simultaneously, I'd expect it to lead to the lowest right-wing interest in libertarianism since World War II. Reason Magazine could finally come fully out of the closet.

    We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left...

    “We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left…”

    Barry Goldwater believed a White diner owner for example shouldn’t have to serve a Black customer if he didn’t want to, which is a very controversial political stance, so he will never be seen as a hero to the Left.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Yeah. For the left, black blackety-black >>>>>>>>>>>> anything else (except maybe Muslims).

    A cultural trend you will see is glorification of violence against police officers in music increasingly mainstreamed (and not just in gangsta rap and punk), and increasingly negative portrayals of the military and soldiers in non-right-wing media and pop culture.

    I also suspect O.J. will be a left-wing hero at some point. Johnnie Cochran already is.

  82. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just "All Lives Matter"ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.

    I like the analogy, because it makes the complaint look ridiculous. However, a few things:

    1. Unlike “all lives matter” whatever “Team Trump” did was not an overt action; it was at best an omission.

    2. I doubt it was deliberate, considering how Jewish-friendly Trump is (not that they recognize that fact, openly at least). It was just a pro forma, barely political thing.

    3. Is this an admission that Jews owning the Holocaust is a political weapon like discontented blacks and the Black Lives Hammer they’ve been threatening the country with for the last few years?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's deliberate:

    https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/825507714780524545
  83. @Fran Macadam
    The problem is that continuous war has been normalized, where it is considered irrelevant to the wellbeing of the people of the country waging the war. But despite the denials and distractions, regardless of the manipulation of public opinion, it cannot be true. War has consequences and is not meant to be comfortable nor cannot ever be free of severe discomfort, even when the day of reckoning is tried to be put off.

    This is a concept that is novel in implementation, but not a new discovery. Any competent leader of the past never allowed mass immigration from countries he or she was at war with. If you want to end endless waves of hostile refugees who didn't appreciate you killing their children, their fathers, their mothers, their brothers and sisters, then you need to stop violent regime change, wars of choice and occupations and let people work out their own issues where they are.

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return. To destabilize our own countries, for the sake of elite "American Interests" is totally against the interests of Americans.

    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn’t been a policy they’ve been handed that they haven’t managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it’s only gotten worse.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration’s agenda, including judges.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn’t been a policy they’ve been handed that they haven’t managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it’s only gotten worse.
     
    Department of Homeland Security hasn't been around for 25 years. It just seems like it when you are waiting in one of those long lines.
    , @guest
    Homeland Security hasn't existed for 25 years.
    , @guest
    Meh, visas can be revoked and lawful residents ain't citizens. Cry me a river.

    Judges were already enemies of the administration. Believe dat.
  84. “I believe all the stay does is say you can’t detain people indefinitely in airports, etc.,”

    Wow! The way the Obama admin caused Ed Snowden to be stranded in a foreign airport when they revoked his right to travel as a refugee!

  85. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just "All Lives Matter"ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.

    “Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just “All Lives Matter”ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.”

    Gypsy lives should trump Jewish lives in the vibrant diversity food chain because the average Gypsy has Brown skin.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/ed/c9/1aedc93df91714bb12e8f393edd0f515.jpg

    Look at how much more melanin that Gypsy woman has in her skin compared to the pasty stale pale blue eyed Jewess Dianne Feinstein.

  86. @Jake
    One thing Liberals hate - besides almost all decent white Gentiles - is being made fun of so easily.

    I have very seldom met a liberal who would be able to understand at least a single joke about antiracism. They have this very conviction that every witty and intelligent person has to be antiracist, so they do not even consider thinking about this in another way. On the other side, to be honest, I am quite seldom able to laugh about the jokes antiracist make about racists, so my own sense of humor is obviously hampered by ideological constraints.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    You must not know many liberals. Liberal men make lots of jokes about antiracism, or even just straight up racist jokes. Liberal comedians like Patton Oswalt or Louis CK make jokes that walk on the edge quite often. Even lefty Sarah Silverman got her reputation making "ironic" racist jokes, that aren't all that ironic. Not to mention Dave Chappelle.

    In general the cutting edge liberal sense of humor is that "nothing is sacred". It means they are a lot funnier than sincere conservatives or devout leftist/feminist types, but puts them at a disadvantage in the political world since most normal people do have deeply felt convictions, and act on them.
  87. @bomag

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return.
     
    Very apt, but the problem is that these regions don't have the resources and ability to take care of their people, so they can hardly achieve stability beyond a refugee camp, let alone the promise of life in a first world country.

    We have the resources and ability, I would hope, to cease regime change, proxy wars, funneling weapons to belligerents, bombing and other assorted warmaking in those countries. In fact, if any of the amount of that war money and effort instead went into funding refugee resettlement programs instead, there would be more than adequate funding resources. As for ability, it’s hard to say. Since despite unlimited war resources there has been no actual ability to win them, maybe not.

    But the historical inevitability of “invade the world, invite the world” with the eventual demise of the imperial center is a proven consequence that we cannot evade otherwise.

    • Replies: @bomag

    We have the resources and ability, I would hope, to cease regime change, proxy wars, funneling weapons to belligerents, bombing and other assorted warmaking in those countries.
     
    The reason we are there is that those countries have problems, and enough politically connected people demand that we try and fix those problems.

    We would have gotten terrorism threats and migration movements anyway, even if we had done nothing. Don't think that a better policy from us is going to make things better over there.

    To put it in simple terms: those countries are overpopulated and filled with people who can't get along with one another in such proximity; thus they have civil war and strife. They are going to have civil war and strife no matter what we do. Their people are moving out to other countries where they will re-create their home country conditions. They don't miss their homes that much, and nobody in their home country misses them that much.
  88. @Mr. Blank
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film "Bushwick" that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of "The Turner Diaries," with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn't necessarily mean anything, business-wise -- plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That's new and kind of frightening. What's more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump's election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left -- the mainstream left, because I don't have any friends who are extremist radicals -- is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump's administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I've never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump’s administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    It has already started. It began during the primaries when Trump was already being labeled as Hitler and his base called “deplorables”, “irredeemables”, “dirt people”, “bitter clingers”, “racists”, “xenophobes”, etc. Not to mention the MSM sanctioning violence against Trump supporters and urban police turning a blind eye to it.

    Now with the Left in full meltdown mode and the Democrats doubling down on hating Whitey and coupled with the MSM engaging in panic mongering, you have a recipe for incitement to violence.

  89. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    I like the analogy, because it makes the complaint look ridiculous. However, a few things:

    1. Unlike "all lives matter" whatever "Team Trump" did was not an overt action; it was at best an omission.

    2. I doubt it was deliberate, considering how Jewish-friendly Trump is (not that they recognize that fact, openly at least). It was just a pro forma, barely political thing.

    3. Is this an admission that Jews owning the Holocaust is a political weapon like discontented blacks and the Black Lives Hammer they've been threatening the country with for the last few years?

    It’s deliberate:

  90. @Glossy
    I think there's been a ratcheting up of anti-Trump rhetoric in Twitter over the last few days. I read this stuff in amazement.

    Polarization has been increasing for quite a few years, probably because of the Internet. If you extend that trend line to infinity, you get civil war. One argument against that is that people have gotten wimpier. But I'm expecting more violent clashes between demonstrators and police, demonstrators and counter-demonstrators. I'm curious about people's opinions on where this is all heading. How much will Trump be able to accomplish, what would the other side do in return?

    It will be interesting to see what happens when (if?) Trump comes to visit the UK queen – mass demos are already being organised.

    Liberals like to set cars alight
    If you think that’s wrong
    You must be Far Right
    Because don’t you know
    Arson is the latest Human Right

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    He'd better be quick about it, or he'll be chatting via Ouija board.
    Already had one ominous near-miss this winter (no-show at Sandringham).
    I doubt he'd be quite so entertained by Charles' views on .. just about anything.
  91. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    Just to add more perspective, when war was declared on Germany, Churchill rounded up all the Jewish refugees in Britain who had fled Hitler’s Germany to avoid concentration camps, and deposited them into Brit concentration camps for the duration of the war.

    What too many people leave out when complaining about the treatment of the Jews before and during WWII was that the Jews were generally despised around the world at the time. It’s one thing to claim being a political scapegoat if simply one host country is rejecting you, but if the entire world objects to your general presence, the “scapegoat” theory becomes ridiculous, and one should try to consider other, more concrete and historically verifiable reasons for worldwide disdain.

  92. Mr.Anon

    “No, but yours is, nitwit. The refugees in question are trying to come to this “racist” country, governed by the new “literally Hitler”

    Oh look, it’s the idiot Mr.Anon.

    No, dummy, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to Hitler. They are, in fact, comparing the current Syrian refugees fleeing from ISIS and others coming to America fleeing from oppressive regimes to Jews fleeing from Hitler.

    Go back to eighth grade and learn reading comprehension, genius.

    • Replies: @a reader
    They are, in fact, comparing the current Syrian refugees fleeing from ISIS and others coming to America fleeing from oppressive regimes to Jews fleeing from Hitler.

    ... and demanding to live in the country ruled by Hitler 2.0.
  93. http://www.dailywire.com/news/12853/featured-womens-march-speaker-once-kidnapped-raped-amanda-prestigiacomo

    Is this legit?

    Convicted felon Donna Hylton, who once was a member of a group that kidnapped, raped and tortured an elderly man to the point of death, was a featured speaker at Saturday’s pro-abortion and anti-Trump Women’s March on Washington.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    Yes, this is very real. The 1985 headline was "Girl Gang Seized in Trunk Slaying." A complete, but excessively sympathetic to Hylton, Psychology Today magazine story about the murder and perpetrators is at the below link. This kidnap, torture, rape, murder was very gruesome and one can legitimately ask, has she "paid her debt" for the crime. I will not repeat, but you can read the gruesome details.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment
  94. In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was “Literally Hitler?”

    No, Tillmann is being (deliberately?) obtuse. Trump and Bannon are being compared to Father Coughlin and the America Firsters in the left wing analogy, not Hitler (that would be Putin?)

    • Replies: @snorlax
    You're the one who's not quite getting it; he's pointing out that the various hyperbolistic WWII-era analogies the left is using contradict one another. If the "refugees" are Jews, then why are they fleeing to Adonald Trumpler's Nazi America?
    , @guest
    Father Coughlin and America First! weren't in power. I realize lefties wouldn't draw attention to this fact, but FDR was president and he turned away the Jews, consigning them to their fates in whatever other country would have them or Darkest Germany. (Not counting the ones who built the Bomb for us.)
  95. @Jefferson
    "We may yet live to see a day when Barry Goldwater is seen as a hero to the left…"

    Barry Goldwater believed a White diner owner for example shouldn't have to serve a Black customer if he didn't want to, which is a very controversial political stance, so he will never be seen as a hero to the Left.

    Yeah. For the left, black blackety-black >>>>>>>>>>>> anything else (except maybe Muslims).

    A cultural trend you will see is glorification of violence against police officers in music increasingly mainstreamed (and not just in gangsta rap and punk), and increasingly negative portrayals of the military and soldiers in non-right-wing media and pop culture.

    I also suspect O.J. will be a left-wing hero at some point. Johnnie Cochran already is.

  96. @Erik Sieven
    I have very seldom met a liberal who would be able to understand at least a single joke about antiracism. They have this very conviction that every witty and intelligent person has to be antiracist, so they do not even consider thinking about this in another way. On the other side, to be honest, I am quite seldom able to laugh about the jokes antiracist make about racists, so my own sense of humor is obviously hampered by ideological constraints.

    You must not know many liberals. Liberal men make lots of jokes about antiracism, or even just straight up racist jokes. Liberal comedians like Patton Oswalt or Louis CK make jokes that walk on the edge quite often. Even lefty Sarah Silverman got her reputation making “ironic” racist jokes, that aren’t all that ironic. Not to mention Dave Chappelle.

    In general the cutting edge liberal sense of humor is that “nothing is sacred”. It means they are a lot funnier than sincere conservatives or devout leftist/feminist types, but puts them at a disadvantage in the political world since most normal people do have deeply felt convictions, and act on them.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    That was more the Clinton-Bush-era and to a lesser extent first Obama term culture.

    Since the second Obama term and especially during/after the latest election, liberal comics are much more likely to be "called out" for any "problematic" jokes or statements, and be forced to apologize profusely and remove them from their repertoire. Often the complaints are not even about recent stuff but rather about things from years ago.
    , @bomag

    You must not know many liberals.
     
    Give me a break. The ones I know are complete cult members who walk around in fear of saying the wrong thing, and bray to the heavens the proper cant. Clapping for Stalin sums it up nicely.

    And per snorlax's comment, notice the recent dust up over Jerry Seinfeld's use of Black Lives Matter in a promo spot.

    These people are at the kool-aid tank with a cup in each hand.
  97. @guest
    No, because an ethnic German and German-speaking Austrian born near the German border is a lot closer to being German than someone from the Romagna, believe it or not.

    Yes, and Hitler grew up as a child in an environment of strong German nationalism. Many German speakers in Linz in the 1890s-1900s identified with the fairly new Wilhelmine German state and blamed the Habsburgs for keeping them separated from their national destiny, and trapped in a political entity full of Slavs and Jews.

    • Replies: @bomag
    The Imperial council in Vienna of the time conducted its business in ten different languages.

    Push one for...
    , @whorefinder
    One thing that's never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German. What exactly made him switch allegiances? It would be like if I went to Canada for a new job and suddenly decided to lead Canada on a conquest of the USA and was a proponent of pan-Canadianism.
  98. @Peter Akuleyev
    In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was “Literally Hitler?”

    No, Tillmann is being (deliberately?) obtuse. Trump and Bannon are being compared to Father Coughlin and the America Firsters in the left wing analogy, not Hitler (that would be Putin?)

    You’re the one who’s not quite getting it; he’s pointing out that the various hyperbolistic WWII-era analogies the left is using contradict one another. If the “refugees” are Jews, then why are they fleeing to Adonald Trumpler’s Nazi America?

  99. @Opinionator
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I am seeing it mostly to exclusively on the left. Is that your perception also?

    There’s a certain amount of newfound clarity now, with lefties (and an increasing portion of the political establishment, including the MSM) declaring outright that violence and lawbreaking are justified and proper when they don’t agree with the results of an election.

    We even saw it in advance of the election, in places like San Jose and Phoenix, even though it was Mr Trump whom they accused of threatening to deny the legitimacy of an election which they were sure was in the bag.

    For my part, I sort of like having them on record for this.

  100. @Mr. Blank
    If things continue to deteriorate, it might be interesting to see on which side American Jews largely fall. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Jew sentiment on the right. But there's also a growing, noisy faction on the left that sees whites, particularly white men, the same way Nazis viewed Jews -- and as far as they're concerned, Jews are just white people squared.

    If you're a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join? The side where many folks see you as Evil Jews, or the side where many folks see you as the very worst, most irredeemable of the Evil Whites?

    If you’re a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join?

    Here’s my past comment about that (#114).

    There may already be some promising signs.

    One caveat: even “magnanimous” White Nationalists may not fully trust Jewish allies. It’s one thing for Jews to play along (for now), and quite another to be an unreserved pro-white-Gentile righteous Jew. Actions over time will speak the truth. Inconstancy will be easily detected by said WNs. Loyalty will be rewarded. In the recent Obey Giant thread, Intelligent Dasein confessed to some meme puzzlement:

    Then again, I still don’t get Pepe the Frog either.

    Smug Pepe’s expression says to the guilty:

    “We know who you are and we know what you’ve been doing for quite some time. The game is up.”

    My advice to Jews who want to “get right with Kek”: Fight for white (i.e. racially European) group preservation and self-determination—even if many WNs don’t see Jews as white. If this requires calling out Jewish anti-Gentiles as such, do not flinch. This may be ‘hard on the ego,’ and I sympathize.

    This scene from Mulholland Drive shows the moment of realization I’m trying to describe. I’m pretty sure Jews as a People do not want to see The Cowboy twice within the span of 100 years.

    Like The Cowboy says:

    “… and if you fix your attitude, you can ride along with me.”

    I sincerely hope this answers your posed “Catch-22” question.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, that's the problem. I'm happy being alt-lite, which is far as you can go even being a halfie. (I don't have the political chops to be the next Stephen Miller or even Mencius Moldbug.)

    I've got no problem calling out people like Lena Dunham or Tim Wise...but I also remember the response to Joshua Seidel, who actually defended the alt-right position on the Forward's website, was 'You do know we would literally kill you, right?'

    I'm one guy with no influence. The best you're going to get is Breitbart. Which, given that one of their boys took the White House, isn't too bad, actually.
  101. @Peter Akuleyev
    You must not know many liberals. Liberal men make lots of jokes about antiracism, or even just straight up racist jokes. Liberal comedians like Patton Oswalt or Louis CK make jokes that walk on the edge quite often. Even lefty Sarah Silverman got her reputation making "ironic" racist jokes, that aren't all that ironic. Not to mention Dave Chappelle.

    In general the cutting edge liberal sense of humor is that "nothing is sacred". It means they are a lot funnier than sincere conservatives or devout leftist/feminist types, but puts them at a disadvantage in the political world since most normal people do have deeply felt convictions, and act on them.

    That was more the Clinton-Bush-era and to a lesser extent first Obama term culture.

    Since the second Obama term and especially during/after the latest election, liberal comics are much more likely to be “called out” for any “problematic” jokes or statements, and be forced to apologize profusely and remove them from their repertoire. Often the complaints are not even about recent stuff but rather about things from years ago.

  102. @guest
    That's not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian.

    There's a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally, and it might have been written and produced by neocons for all I know. But Hollywood isn't Passion of the Christ-ing it, so it would appear they're okay with the message.

    The trailer I saw was rough on Uncle Joe. It came off like a WWII propaganda movie, only against the Soviets instead of worshipful of their plucky anti-Nazi-ness.

    “There’s a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally”

    What a fortunate coincidence that the very first US movie about Ukrainians being killed in their millions by Russians should come out now, just when “we need to support Ukraine against literally Stalin”.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie's trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.

    https://youtu.be/HKLBp3fZ5zA
    , @Sid
    There are plenty of subdivisions within the left. Generally speaking, the globalist left considers Stalin to be only slightly less terrible than Hitler. If Hitler is a 10/10 on a scale of evil, then Stalin would be a 9 or 9.5/10. In particular, the smart globalist leftists who read Timothy Snyder's "Bloodlands" saw that Stalin actually was a racist, and organized state violence against ethnic minorities time and again, slaughtering millions of them.

    The leftists who are still actually sympathetic to Communism tend to ignore or downplay how hideous Stalin was, although not too many of them would insist Stalin a good guy, the way they do with Castro. So yes, they would regard Stalin as being a better person than Trump.

    Of course, contemporary geopolitics guides much of this. The globalist left generally didn't care about Russia until sometime in 2013, when Putin signed in the anti-gay propaganda law and gave aslyum to Snowden. Now they hate Russia with a passion and are eager to play up their hatred of Stalin. In contrast, the pinko commies within the left generally don't care about Russia. Compare how Hillary and Jill Stein spoke of Russia in 2016, and that illustrates the gap between the globalist and the commies.

    Of course, all of this is relatively complicated and involves making some distinctions. It's a lot easier to just say TRUMP IS HITLER, PUTIN IS HITLER, TRUMP IS PUTIN, HITLER IS HITLER as a mantra when you're trying to block airport traffic.

  103. @Margulon_with_the_green_card
    I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don't give visas to people -- but once you do that, you can't willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump's immigration agenda among people like me who don't want ILLEGAL immigration

    In fact, my French visa is not anything like a guarantee to enter the country either, as per the French consulate:

    http://www.consulfrance-chicago.org/Long-stay-visa-for-visitors

    Please note that holders of visas are still subject to immigration control upon first entry into France. The visa itself does not grant the right to enter France.

    And what do you know, the US has the same kind of conditions – just because the consulate gives you a visa doesn’t mean that the customs officers will let you in.

    https://ais.usvisa-info.com/fr-fr/niv/information/faqs

    Un visa ne donne pas le droit d’entrer aux USA. Un visa indique simplement que votre demande a été examinée par un officer consulaire américain à l’Ambassade des Etats-Unis, et que l’officier a décidé que vous étiez en droit de voyager jusqu’au port d’entrée pour un but spécifique.

    “A visa does not give the right to enter the USA. A visa simply states that your application was examined by a US consular officer at the US Embassy and the officer decided that you were entitled to travel to the port of entry for a specific purpose.”

    Very cool I found on the same FAQ site an URGENT NOTICE:

    “Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification. If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time. “

  104. The 1930 allusion is factually, but ironically, correct. Hitler had quickly reanimated the German economy, and therefore Jews flocked “undocumentedly” out of miserable Poland into Hitler Germany. They were not interested in the typical activities forbidden by the Nuremberg laws, like marrying Gentiles or getting tenure at universities.
    That’s why Hitler tried to expel undocumented Jews back to Poland in 1938 (which led to the assassination of von Rath by Herschel Grynszpan and in repercussion to the Kristallnacht pogrom).

  105. @Anonymous
    Today was a milestone in mainstream media self destruction. It was total newsroom hysteria over a few foreigners being held up at the airports.

    Media approval poll numbers have sunk to lows equal to congress. The same virus that infected Rolling Stone is everywhere. Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It's just one hatchet job after another on Trump.

    WashPost is ruined it's like a dumped but still obsessed ex-girlfriend who won't stop stalking. It's not journalism ...

    Get ready for the Inevitable. When the next full moon comes around, a CNN talking head, preferably a shapely female, will rip off every article of clothing and start baying at the studio lights.

    Hillary has showed that it can be done!

  106. Can I suggest that people too obtuse or autistic to understand simple jokes like this be banned from commenting here?

    I see this too often on Steve’s posts, particularly those that involve a sense of humor. People who don’t comment usually get the joke while people who don’t get the joke feel the need to comment and criticize. I really think that those people should be banned from commenting as they threw a wet blanket over the whole thing.

  107. @advancedatheist
    For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn't have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler's career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    Hitler was an immigrant. Or literal Hitler was a literal immigrant.

  108. According to Karen Hinton, in today’s editions of the New York Daily News (1948 Circulation : 2,400,000; 2017 Circulation : 200,225) :

    OBAMA, YOU NEED TO COME HOME!

    Ms. Hinton means that saintly Barack needs to cut short his post-January 20th vacation and return to the NBC television studios, in either New York or Washington, in order to start lecturing White racists about all the atrocities that the Christians committed against the Saracens, during the time of the Crusades, because what was done by Whitey 700 years ago could happen again, at any moment, because Trump.

    Come Back, Little Sheba! You Portuguese Water Dog, You! Oh, Barry Messiah! We Hardly Knew Ye!

  109. @Fran Macadam
    We have the resources and ability, I would hope, to cease regime change, proxy wars, funneling weapons to belligerents, bombing and other assorted warmaking in those countries. In fact, if any of the amount of that war money and effort instead went into funding refugee resettlement programs instead, there would be more than adequate funding resources. As for ability, it's hard to say. Since despite unlimited war resources there has been no actual ability to win them, maybe not.

    But the historical inevitability of "invade the world, invite the world" with the eventual demise of the imperial center is a proven consequence that we cannot evade otherwise.

    We have the resources and ability, I would hope, to cease regime change, proxy wars, funneling weapons to belligerents, bombing and other assorted warmaking in those countries.

    The reason we are there is that those countries have problems, and enough politically connected people demand that we try and fix those problems.

    We would have gotten terrorism threats and migration movements anyway, even if we had done nothing. Don’t think that a better policy from us is going to make things better over there.

    To put it in simple terms: those countries are overpopulated and filled with people who can’t get along with one another in such proximity; thus they have civil war and strife. They are going to have civil war and strife no matter what we do. Their people are moving out to other countries where they will re-create their home country conditions. They don’t miss their homes that much, and nobody in their home country misses them that much.

  110. Our refugee and immigration policies are dangerously based on Christian and European-centric principles. White privilege and racist, imperialist, colonialist, crusader mentalities make it almost impossible for us to institute fair policies.

    So, in the interest of justice and as a departure from our morally-tainted past, I propose that we take inspiration from the refugee and immigration policies of unassailable countries like Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, and Israel:

    “In Japan, the word ‘immigrant’ is not used in policy making,” former economy minister Heizo Takenaka said in an interview Tuesday. “The prime minister often says it’s not immigration, it’s guest workers.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-25/a-wary-japan-quietly-opens-its-back-door-for-foreign-workers

    “It’s next to impossible for a foreigner to get permanent residence status in China, unless you are of Chinese descent.”

    https://www.quora.com/How-hard-is-it-to-immigrate-to-China/answer/Jonathan-LeBlanc

    “Saudi Arabia has a mandated six-year cap on the residency of foreigners in the country … any Hajji or illegal over stayers are met with a mandatory prison sentence followed by swift deportation.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Saudi_Arabia

    “If you wish to immigrate here, and become a citizen,  then it would be very easy if you are Jewish and very difficult if you are not.”

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Israel-a-Jews-only-state-Can-a-non-Jew-live-and-work-there/answer/Oren-Shamir

  111. @Mr. Anon
    Can't we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay. You pay for shipping, and it's yours.

    Liberty Island could be repurposed as a detention center for illegal aliens.

    And here I thought they already moved it to Vegas.

  112. @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes, and Hitler grew up as a child in an environment of strong German nationalism. Many German speakers in Linz in the 1890s-1900s identified with the fairly new Wilhelmine German state and blamed the Habsburgs for keeping them separated from their national destiny, and trapped in a political entity full of Slavs and Jews.

    The Imperial council in Vienna of the time conducted its business in ten different languages.

    Push one for…

  113. @unpc downunder
    If this is "the 1930s all over again," then the US isn't Nazi Germany, it's Poland, with working and middle class white people caught in a violent pincer movement, in this case between the liberal globalists and foreign invaders. And the shrieks of the anti-Trump feminists are like the howls of Stuka dive bombers.

    Poland and Hungary said “no” to the influx
    of migrants from Africa and the Middle East
    because they know what it’s like to be occupied
    by foreign powers. But Britain, France, Germany,
    and the U.S. were the ones doing the invading and
    colonizing so they have no experience of being
    invaded (except France, briefly). As a result, I believe
    they are psychologically unprepared to handle what is
    going on in the world today, which is that millions
    (or perhaps billions, in the coming decades) of people
    from Africa, Middle East, India, China, and Latin America want
    to move to Europe, North America, and Australia, and they
    believe they have every right to live there

    • Replies: @International Jew
    You're right about the history, but even for Brits and Americans it shouldn't be such a huge feat of intelligence and imagination to understand the dangers.
  114. @Anonymous
    "WH: No mention of Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day because others were killed too"

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/white-house-holocaust-memorial-day/index.html

    The White House statement on International Holocaust Remembrance Day didn't mention Jews or anti-Semitism because "despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered," administration spokeswoman Hope Hicks told CNN on Saturday.
     

    This news made my day! The Nazis killed a lot of people over their race, and the number of Russians, Belorussians, Ukranians and Balts they killed far exceeded the number of Jews. (I think present estimates of the losses in the USSR from WWII are around 23 million). If we going to memorialize victims of Nazi race-based persecution, there is no reason to single out just one group for special mention.

    In light of the fact that a Nazi resurgence in Germany is about as likely as a restoration of the House of Windsor in Washington DC, and the fact that Germans seems disinclined to survive as a people, maybe it’s time we s-canned the entire “German Guilt Day.”

  115. @Margulon_with_the_green_card
    I had hoped that the Trump administration would bring lawfulness to the immigration process in the United States. But this arbitrary action is completely the opposite and thus very disappointing.

    Denying entry to lawful permanent residents and others who have been issued business or tourist visas (in addition to those who have been granted refugee status) can only be described as reprehensible. If you will, don't give visas to people -- but once you do that, you can't willy-nilly detain them at the border.

    Arbitrary actions like this one will only serve to discredit Trump's immigration agenda among people like me who don't want ILLEGAL immigration

    Your handle suggests you aren’t a citizen. A great many of us actual Americans don’t want any immigration. We could not care less if a would-be immigrant has a visa, a work permit, or a brilliant mind (brilliant persons, by the way, are free to be brilliant in their own countries, where they will in fact benefit those countries, rather than to displace Americans and leave their own countries deprived of brilliant people thereby perpetuating those countries’ problems).

    You use the word “arbitrary” a lot, but I don’t think it means what you think it means. If the president had closed his eyes and thrown darts at a map of the world, then excluded persons from the nations the darts struck, that would have been arbitrary. Instead, he thoughtfully and deliberately excludes persons from known hellholes filled with especially murderous Modammedans. Again, though, we Americans are entitled to exclude anyone, for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all (i.e., actually arbitrarily), because its our country, not theirs. I have no doubt my locked doors exclude very nice people from my residence, along with burglars and other riff-raff, but that’s my business, and I don’t care whether my houseguests like it or not.

  116. @Peter Akuleyev
    You must not know many liberals. Liberal men make lots of jokes about antiracism, or even just straight up racist jokes. Liberal comedians like Patton Oswalt or Louis CK make jokes that walk on the edge quite often. Even lefty Sarah Silverman got her reputation making "ironic" racist jokes, that aren't all that ironic. Not to mention Dave Chappelle.

    In general the cutting edge liberal sense of humor is that "nothing is sacred". It means they are a lot funnier than sincere conservatives or devout leftist/feminist types, but puts them at a disadvantage in the political world since most normal people do have deeply felt convictions, and act on them.

    You must not know many liberals.

    Give me a break. The ones I know are complete cult members who walk around in fear of saying the wrong thing, and bray to the heavens the proper cant. Clapping for Stalin sums it up nicely.

    And per snorlax’s comment, notice the recent dust up over Jerry Seinfeld’s use of Black Lives Matter in a promo spot.

    These people are at the kool-aid tank with a cup in each hand.

  117. No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime.

    Maybe it’ll be cathartic.

    Can’t we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay. You pay for shipping, and it’s yours.

    I like the Statue of Liberty. Maybe we should make her great again, instead. I second the motion to remove Emma Lazarus’ poem. It would be a great way to kick off a PR campaign about the actual meaning behind the SoL, and some patriotic arguments from the Borders crowd (relationship between Liberty and Sovereignty, etc.). It would certainly fit Trump’s pattern of making it impossible for Big Media to ignore him.

    Liberty Island could be repurposed as a detention center for illegal aliens.

    But I like your style.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration’s agenda, including judges.

    On the other hand, maybe they’re fighting where Trump wants them to be fighting, leaving them less time and fewer resources to fight where Trump doesn’t want them fighting. I for one am a fan of that strategy, in general; go for more than what you want, force your enemy to fight you where you’re weakest, where you don’t mind losing. The kicker is that the left gets to crow about fighting you, and a victory you expected them to win.

    In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was “Literally Hitler?”

    No, Tillmann is being (deliberately?) obtuse. Trump and Bannon are being compared to Father Coughlin and the America Firsters in the left wing analogy, not Hitler (that would be Putin?)

    What now? Trump isn’t “literally Hitler” anymore? When did that happen? And who’s being obtuse, again?

  118. @advancedatheist
    For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn't have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler's career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    If I recall correctly, Hitler was granted German citizenship as a result of his service in the World War I German Army. He was an Austrian, but didn’t like serving in the polyglot Austro-Hungarian Army. He personally petitioned the King of Bavaria to be permitted to serve in a Bavarian infantry regiment, where he served commendably for almost four years on the Western Front, including the Battle of First Ypres. He certainly considered himself German and his return to Vienna after the German-Austrian Anschluss may have been the personal highlight of his life.

    But, yes, making him German was a bad idea.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Not quite correct, Hitler was only naturalized as a German citizen in 1932 (!), in Brunswick which at that time was already under strong Nazi influence:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einb%C3%BCrgerung_Adolf_Hitlers
  119. The judges in this country support immigrant sodomites over non pervert native sons.

    Why does white volunteer for the military in a country that hates you so?

    Where are the non- immigrant rights groups?

  120. All these years, the elite have refused to reform the immigration system in a reasonable manner for the good of America..so it has come to this. I’ve come to accept that it will only take far right strongmen such as Trump and team to reform the dysfunctional immigration system if America is to be saved.

    Trump handled the Muslim immigration issue stupidly.. unbelievable.

    He could have started by pausing acceptance or severely limiting new refugees from Syria, and carefully worked his way to reforming the entire legal immigration system. Instead he targeted people who already have green cards and visas simply based on their religion alone (no one is fooled it is otherwise). It’s immoral, actually quite disgusting to go after legal residents who simply happened to be out of the country on a trip. He has galvanized a huge opposition with his rushed, poorly thought disruptive directive that smells of the beginnings of religious apartheid.

    Here is what he could have said…”we will halt Syrian immigration blah, blah…however, the Syrians that have already been accepted can come as we are a humane nation..blah, blah. New immigrants from the following countries will be paused until further notice….current legal immigrants will not be affected as i am a fair man, and america is a fair country blah.” Bush had Muslim immigrant males register and no one said a peep because he was discrete.

    Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yesterday's events at the airports were mostly just bureaucratic snafus and probably not intentionally planned, but they have rebounded to Trump anyway.

    The Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) thinks that all these sob stories about family reunification and grad students blah blah blah will move the public but I think they will backfire because the American public (outside the refugee resettlement industry) doesn't really want these people here and are glad when they stay wherever they are now. The MSM always finds the most photogenic poster boys and girls. Anyway a lot of the immigrants that have gone on rampages were highly educated - among Muslims higher education doesn't make you into a Leftist atheist globalist, just into a more educated fanatic.

    All the people demonstrating at the airports, etc. were not Trump supporters to begin with and since Trump is Literally Hitler to them, he has zero chance of winning them over with kindness anyway, so being a cuck as you advise would not do him any good. The court order that was obtained shows how the unelected Leftist court system interferes with the will of the electorate as expressed thru its elected leaders. Among his own supporters, yesterday's actions show that Trump actually means to carry out his campaign promises. Most politicians promise all sorts of crap during their campaign and the minute they get into office, it's all forgotten or compromised into nothingness but Trump is not most politicians.
    , @Jack Hanson
    You mean how any cuck Repub would have run screaming from this policy the first time someone with a sign showed up at the airport?

    The Ctr shilling paying well?
    , @European-American
    > Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    I know what you mean. The order seems a bit crazy. But it also feels like another instance of Trump demonstrating "Yes we can" (and not just saying it emptily, like Obama).

    As you say, no one has done anything to change immigration for the better in a long time. There have been a lot of reasonable-sounding policies that tip-toed the right way around all the sensitivities and the complexities, while achieving nothing.

    This is quite explicitly a trial run. It will flush out a lot of hysteria (how this is literally going to cause a second Holocaust, well... I hope the absurdity of such statements becomes apparent to all in time, and in the meantime I am regretfully tuning out a lot of people). But it establishes that we control our borders. This is a very good message to send to those who voted Trump, and beyond that to all friends and foes of the US. Sure, it may be wrong in several details, but we can tune it with time.

    Scott Adams has some good explanations of how this could be yet another negotiation and persuasion move that shifts the window of what can be said and done and expected:
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration
  121. • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/825407723458195457
  122. @eah
    https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/825375143585312770

    • LOL: Jasper Been
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/825671173778337792
  123. @eah
    https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/825407723458195457

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/825745594710908928
  124. @Anonymous
    "Bannon's Deathly Hand"

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bannon-s-deathly-hand

    The White House announced today that the decision not to mention Jews or anti-Semitism in its announcement commemorating Holocaust remembrance day was intentional. According to White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks, the statement made no mentions of Jews out of respect for the non-Jews who died in Nazi labor camps and death camps during World War II. Hicks told CNN: "Despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered."

    It is true that millions died under the Nazis who were not Jews. They included targeted ethnic groups like Roma (Gypsies), homosexuals, left-wing dissidents, people with disabilities, etc. But it has long been a trope of Holocaust deniers and white nationalists to insist that Jews were only incidentally targeted.

    In any case, there are no word limits in presidential statements. A more logical and worthwhile approach would be to note the various groups who were victimized. This isn't accidental. The new administration is riddled with anti-Semites and those who want to cater to anti-Semites.
     

    The new administration is riddled with anti-Semites and those who want to cater to anti-Semites.

    Could it be said, likewise, that the news organizations and the media in general are riddled with Semites and those who want to cater to Semites?

  125. @Mike Sylwester
    This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    It’s a play on the fact that Trump has been called “Literally Hitler” by the loony left.

  126. @Fran Macadam
    The problem is that continuous war has been normalized, where it is considered irrelevant to the wellbeing of the people of the country waging the war. But despite the denials and distractions, regardless of the manipulation of public opinion, it cannot be true. War has consequences and is not meant to be comfortable nor cannot ever be free of severe discomfort, even when the day of reckoning is tried to be put off.

    This is a concept that is novel in implementation, but not a new discovery. Any competent leader of the past never allowed mass immigration from countries he or she was at war with. If you want to end endless waves of hostile refugees who didn't appreciate you killing their children, their fathers, their mothers, their brothers and sisters, then you need to stop violent regime change, wars of choice and occupations and let people work out their own issues where they are.

    In any case, the humanitarian choice is to set up safe zones for refugees near their own countries, which when the wars are ended, their countries restabilized, they can return. To destabilize our own countries, for the sake of elite "American Interests" is totally against the interests of Americans.

    The left lost all legitimacy by not keeping their promise to try Bush and end his wars.

    They would have had support from a lot on the right.

  127. Our local news had an interview with a Muslim immigration attorney who said, “if you voted for Trump, is this what you voted for?” Yes, this is the exact reason I looked past his flaws and voted for him.

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    Angela Merkel is certainly doubling down on dumb. Letting in large numbers of Muslim immigrants into Germany was a profound disaster with a huge spike in rapes, mass murders, riots, welfare, neighborhoods where people whose ancestors had lived in the country for thousands of years dare not go, etc. Can’t say they weren’t warned, because it had happened in France, England, and Sweden before. Not to mention the wonderful gifts (9-11, Orlando, Boston, Ft Lauderdale, etc) that Muslims in the US have already bestowed upon us. So Trump must be a delusional, hate-filled nut for ever being suspicious that letting in millions of more Muslims into the US could be anything but a peace love-in like Woodstock.

    As Einstein said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” But who cares about pale stale males and their logic? Diversity is our strength, Islam is the religion of peace, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.

  129. Remember that part of WW2 when Hitler built a wall to keep so many Jews from rushing in to Germany?

  130. @Philippe Lemoine
    I just wrote a post about Trump's executive order: http://necpluribusimpar.net/executive-order-immigration/. Among other things, I point out that the amount of hypocrisy about this is really staggering...

    Thank you for writing that post, Philippe Lemoine. I agree with the spirit of Trumps executive order, but as you say, a few modifications would take away certain legitimate criticisms from the hysterical left.

    One thing, when you wrote: “I also think it’s politically stupid because, while I have no doubt that taking in more refugees is extremely popular (I will probably write something about this at some point)”

    Did you mean to say unpopular?

    • Replies: @Philippe Lemoine
    Shit, you're right, I'll make the correction right away.
  131. @Buzz Mohawk
    Brutalism. Obey Giant as architecture.

    The first time I was in Boston, I had to walk by that monstrosity to get to Faneuil Hall. I asked myself, "what the hell is this, right next to a historic American building?"

    Massachusetts may lead the country in ugly buildings per capita. U MASS-Amherst is hideous- the Fine Arts building looks like an uncompleted freeway off-ramp. And the W. E. B, DuBois library (named after a communist) is a giant middle finger to the world. Add to that the Southwest dorm complex, which look like cold war era Soviet apartment blocks, and you have a strong contender for the ugliest campus in America.

  132. @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes, and Hitler grew up as a child in an environment of strong German nationalism. Many German speakers in Linz in the 1890s-1900s identified with the fairly new Wilhelmine German state and blamed the Habsburgs for keeping them separated from their national destiny, and trapped in a political entity full of Slavs and Jews.

    One thing that’s never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German. What exactly made him switch allegiances? It would be like if I went to Canada for a new job and suddenly decided to lead Canada on a conquest of the USA and was a proponent of pan-Canadianism.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    One thing that’s never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German.
     
    You could try Googling it and reading the voluminous commentary that spans decades on the topic.

    Just a helpful suggestion, as it isn't like you are the first person to notice this.
    , @Jack D
    More like the other way around - Canada and Austro-Hungary were multi-lingual, multi-ethnic states which do not tend to foster real rah-rah patriotism. Belgium is another such place. I think there have been Canadians who have moved to the US and assumed an identity as American patriots but not so much the other way. Ted Cruz for one.
    , @guest
    There are a lot of angles to this, but the main point is to note the age-old difference between states and nations. For Hitler, the two states he confronted called "Germany," the Wilhelmite Empire and the Weimar Republic, were not the German nation. He considered all ethnic Germans, including ones in Austria and elsewhere, one people who deserved their own ethno-state.

    The Austrian Empire he considered a mongrel nation, and preferred fighting for, living in, and ultimately ruling Germany-proper. But he wasn't a patriot of that state, in particular. He was an interloper bent on changing it. It was just better than the states surrounding it, is all.

    As for your Canadian analogy, it fails. Canada is a multi-ethnic state, just like the U.S. There is no pan-Canadianism, because no such thing would make sense. Now, if some ethnic Englishman wanted to unite the U.S., Canada, and the U.K., thereby reviving the old British Empire, to be run by and for Englishmen, that would be somewhat Hitlerian.

  133. @Philippe Lemoine
    Thanks, that's exactly what I think, but luckily for him he may yet be saved by the stupidity of his opponents.

    Philippe Lemoine,
    His hysterical opponents don’t see a difference between legal residents who already live and future refugees/immigrants. They’re basically saying that every Somali, Syrian, Iranian, Yemeni, Iraqi, Sudanese, and Libyan has a right to move. Trump’s people need to emphasize this important point.

    • Replies: @ganderson
    Who was it that said that the true genius of the Austrians was to convince people that Beethoven was an Austrian while Hitler was a German? I'm guessing that Austrians feel more German than, say Canadians feel American. I also think that most Americans don't think of Canadians as 'real' foreigners- they're more like Minnesotans. Come to think of it, socialism? hockey? Maybe Minnesotans are Canadians!
  134. @Mr. Blank
    If things continue to deteriorate, it might be interesting to see on which side American Jews largely fall. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Jew sentiment on the right. But there's also a growing, noisy faction on the left that sees whites, particularly white men, the same way Nazis viewed Jews -- and as far as they're concerned, Jews are just white people squared.

    If you're a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join? The side where many folks see you as Evil Jews, or the side where many folks see you as the very worst, most irredeemable of the Evil Whites?

    Who do I support? The right. Even just counting the Nazis they are more capable of rational thought, are willing to let you live if you leave the country (and want you to leave) and are capable of being negotiated with. Also tend to be rather open about their intentions. The fact the right is more sane and has beliefs grounded in reality is the biggie for me.

    The left wants to bring in Muslims who have shown a remarkable propensity for murdering Jews, is willing to declare burning down synagogues an ‘act of free speech against Israel’ (Germany) and is willing to overlook open calls for white genocide. As an honorary white and with white friends and relatives who are white that is unacceptable.

    Even if I don’t get to be counted as a white person, I still like white people and would like them not to die horribly. Even the current Nazis.

  135. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "Do I understand this correctly? In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was literally Hitler?"

    Your reading comprehension is obviously very poor. They mean the Jewish refugees coming *from* Germany into America.

    So if Trump is not Hitler he must be FDR….

  136. @Anon
    So-called 'refugees' oughta be called Nakbans or People of Nakba. They were uprooted by Second Nabka, the Wars for Israel under Bush & Obama

    Nakbataeans.

  137. @guest
    I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That's been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.

    I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That’s been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.

    Yes, but the lefties who hold this view do not understand history.

    It’s almost certainly a reference to the steamship St. Louis, which was filled with Jewish refugees who were denied entry into the U.S. in 1939. Two important points they forget: 1) the Depression was still on and unemployment was 19%. There was no way we were going to let in refugees under those economic conditions. And 2) although the Jews were being targeted in Germany in 1939, the “Holocaust,” properly speaking, did not begin until 1941-42 until after the German loss at Stalingrad. The St. Louis arrived in the U.S. in May of 1939, several months before Hitler invaded Poland. The war had not even begun yet.

    • Replies: @Irrelephant
    Battle of Moscow not Stalingrad, but yes, you're right that the Holocaust proper was Hitler's revenge on the people he blamed for the war going badly. By 1942 it was clear to all that the Russian war was going to be a long hard bloody struggle with uncertain outcome. i.e. another 'Verdun' - exactly what Hitler had promised his people he would not inflict on them.
  138. @Anonymous Nephew
    "There’s a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally"

    What a fortunate coincidence that the very first US movie about Ukrainians being killed in their millions by Russians should come out now, just when "we need to support Ukraine against literally Stalin".

    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie’s trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.

    https://youtu.be/HKLBp3fZ5zA

    • Replies: @anonguy

    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie’s trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.
     
    Yeah, I caught that part. But I think this will blow up in their faces like the Fake News stuff. The big message, whether intended or not, people will take away from this is collectivism = state tyranny.
    , @guest
    Famine wasn't randomly spread across the Soviet Union. Certain areas were targeted for their recalcitrance, including various discreet nationalities. I don't know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the "breadbasket" of the empire.
  139. @(((Joshua)))
    Apparently not all those detained think Trump is literally Hitler:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fsxrekal/status/825553821992509440

    That is hilarious. Guess they don’t give you your outrage manual until you get a green card.

  140. @Jefferson
    White Liberals, Hispanics, Asians, African Americans, Muslims, etc have all been wanting to be ruled by Adolf Hitler since the year 2000. George W. Bush was the original Republican Hitler 15 years before Donald J. Trump announced he's running for POTUS.

    http://mugsysrapsheet.com/4blog/BushHitler/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg
    http://www.freewebs.com/write-on-book-club/CARTOON-Nazi-Bush.jpg
    https://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bush-hitler-4.jpg
    http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushhitlersalute.jpg
    https://standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/bush-hitler-history-repeats.jpg

    The Left's definition of who is Hitler is as extremely broad as their definition of who is a racist, who is a woman, who is a man, who is a rapist, and who is an American for example.

    Any Republican/Conservative who is compared to Hitler should take it as a badge of honor because it means that person is doing something right to piss off the Left.

    It's gotten to the point where now I will only vote for a Republican for POTUS if the Left says that person is Hitler, lol.

    Good point. I can think of a few Republicans who are not literally Hitler who I would never vote for for POTUS: McCain, Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Kasich.

  141. @Anonymous Nephew
    "There’s a movie coming out about the Holodomor (Bitter Harvest), finally"

    What a fortunate coincidence that the very first US movie about Ukrainians being killed in their millions by Russians should come out now, just when "we need to support Ukraine against literally Stalin".

    There are plenty of subdivisions within the left. Generally speaking, the globalist left considers Stalin to be only slightly less terrible than Hitler. If Hitler is a 10/10 on a scale of evil, then Stalin would be a 9 or 9.5/10. In particular, the smart globalist leftists who read Timothy Snyder’s “Bloodlands” saw that Stalin actually was a racist, and organized state violence against ethnic minorities time and again, slaughtering millions of them.

    The leftists who are still actually sympathetic to Communism tend to ignore or downplay how hideous Stalin was, although not too many of them would insist Stalin a good guy, the way they do with Castro. So yes, they would regard Stalin as being a better person than Trump.

    Of course, contemporary geopolitics guides much of this. The globalist left generally didn’t care about Russia until sometime in 2013, when Putin signed in the anti-gay propaganda law and gave aslyum to Snowden. Now they hate Russia with a passion and are eager to play up their hatred of Stalin. In contrast, the pinko commies within the left generally don’t care about Russia. Compare how Hillary and Jill Stein spoke of Russia in 2016, and that illustrates the gap between the globalist and the commies.

    Of course, all of this is relatively complicated and involves making some distinctions. It’s a lot easier to just say TRUMP IS HITLER, PUTIN IS HITLER, TRUMP IS PUTIN, HITLER IS HITLER as a mantra when you’re trying to block airport traffic.

  142. @Mr. Blank
    No doubt, the talk is the most extreme I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    I used to think the general wimpiness of the modern left would preclude Civil War II, but then I hear about this film "Bushwick" that just debuted at the Sundance festival. It essentially sounds like an SJW version of "The Turner Diaries," with evil Southern white men taking the place of the ZOG.

    Now I know enough to know that a big reception at Sundance doesn't necessarily mean anything, business-wise -- plenty of Sundance favorites never get picked up and sink into obscurity. But the fact that a film like this could get made suggests that there must be an undercurrent on the left that is seriously contemplating violent civil war. That's new and kind of frightening. What's more disturbing is that this film must have been in the can long before the election, when the left was still thinking that Clinton was inevitable. I imagine Trump's election has inflamed feelings considerably.

    So I have no idea where this will lead now, but the portents are ominous. Just reading my Facebook feed, it seems clear that the left -- the mainstream left, because I don't have any friends who are extremist radicals -- is slowly talking itself up to the idea that Trump's administration justifies a violent and bloody response.

    I've never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    I’ve never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.

    Do you think it accidental that Trump’s first two actions, and quite prominent ones, in office were appointing stalwart hearties at DoD and Homeland Security which was then quickly followed by a Kiss and Makeup with CIA?

    Get the guys in the state security business locked in.

    In the days leading up to the inauguration, I was concerned about some attempt to deny Trump the swearing in.

    I definitely agree with you, the rhetoric/mindset of the leftists is unprecedented. And on top of that, Trump is positively delighting his supporters. So the chasm is growing by movement on both sides.

    Maybe a Calexit would take the steam out of things?

    • Replies: @res

    Maybe a Calexit would take the steam out of things?
     
    The Who, Whom? aspect of Calexit is quite funny. Ask any of the people advocating for it how they feel about the secession of Southern states which led to the Civil War. I wonder if any of them can find a consistent set of principles justifying both views. I guess in their minds "Racism!" would be enough.
  143. @whorefinder
    One thing that's never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German. What exactly made him switch allegiances? It would be like if I went to Canada for a new job and suddenly decided to lead Canada on a conquest of the USA and was a proponent of pan-Canadianism.

    One thing that’s never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German.

    You could try Googling it and reading the voluminous commentary that spans decades on the topic.

    Just a helpful suggestion, as it isn’t like you are the first person to notice this.

  144. @Nick Diaz
    Mr.Anon

    "No, but yours is, nitwit. The refugees in question are trying to come to this “racist” country, governed by the new “literally Hitler”

    Oh look, it's the idiot Mr.Anon.

    No, dummy, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to Hitler. They are, in fact, comparing the current Syrian refugees fleeing from ISIS and others coming to America fleeing from oppressive regimes to Jews fleeing from Hitler.

    Go back to eighth grade and learn reading comprehension, genius.

    They are, in fact, comparing the current Syrian refugees fleeing from ISIS and others coming to America fleeing from oppressive regimes to Jews fleeing from Hitler.

    … and demanding to live in the country ruled by Hitler 2.0.

  145. @Perspective
    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie's trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.

    https://youtu.be/HKLBp3fZ5zA

    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie’s trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.

    Yeah, I caught that part. But I think this will blow up in their faces like the Fake News stuff. The big message, whether intended or not, people will take away from this is collectivism = state tyranny.

  146. @Merema
    All these years, the elite have refused to reform the immigration system in a reasonable manner for the good of America..so it has come to this. I've come to accept that it will only take far right strongmen such as Trump and team to reform the dysfunctional immigration system if America is to be saved.

    Trump handled the Muslim immigration issue stupidly.. unbelievable.

    He could have started by pausing acceptance or severely limiting new refugees from Syria, and carefully worked his way to reforming the entire legal immigration system. Instead he targeted people who already have green cards and visas simply based on their religion alone (no one is fooled it is otherwise). It's immoral, actually quite disgusting to go after legal residents who simply happened to be out of the country on a trip. He has galvanized a huge opposition with his rushed, poorly thought disruptive directive that smells of the beginnings of religious apartheid.

    Here is what he could have said..."we will halt Syrian immigration blah, blah...however, the Syrians that have already been accepted can come as we are a humane nation..blah, blah. New immigrants from the following countries will be paused until further notice....current legal immigrants will not be affected as i am a fair man, and america is a fair country blah." Bush had Muslim immigrant males register and no one said a peep because he was discrete.

    Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    Yesterday’s events at the airports were mostly just bureaucratic snafus and probably not intentionally planned, but they have rebounded to Trump anyway.

    The Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) thinks that all these sob stories about family reunification and grad students blah blah blah will move the public but I think they will backfire because the American public (outside the refugee resettlement industry) doesn’t really want these people here and are glad when they stay wherever they are now. The MSM always finds the most photogenic poster boys and girls. Anyway a lot of the immigrants that have gone on rampages were highly educated – among Muslims higher education doesn’t make you into a Leftist atheist globalist, just into a more educated fanatic.

    All the people demonstrating at the airports, etc. were not Trump supporters to begin with and since Trump is Literally Hitler to them, he has zero chance of winning them over with kindness anyway, so being a cuck as you advise would not do him any good. The court order that was obtained shows how the unelected Leftist court system interferes with the will of the electorate as expressed thru its elected leaders. Among his own supporters, yesterday’s actions show that Trump actually means to carry out his campaign promises. Most politicians promise all sorts of crap during their campaign and the minute they get into office, it’s all forgotten or compromised into nothingness but Trump is not most politicians.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Sid
    "Anyway a lot of the immigrants that have gone on rampages were highly educated – among Muslims higher education doesn’t make you into a Leftist atheist globalist, just into a more educated fanatic."

    What often happens is that Muslims learn how to adopt leftist rhetoric to adorn their arguments, especially at Western universities. The BDS movement is such an example.

    A slightly different but related case would be how many progressives love Al Jazeera: the news network did a great job in adapting leftist rhetoric to advance medieval opinions.

    Sure, among themselves, radical Muslims talk about Shariah, but when they're in public or talking with liberals, the more clever ones know how to clothe their aims in talk about social justice, minority rights, etc.
  147. @Fran Macadam
    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn't been a policy they've been handed that they haven't managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it's only gotten worse.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration's agenda, including judges.

    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn’t been a policy they’ve been handed that they haven’t managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it’s only gotten worse.

    Department of Homeland Security hasn’t been around for 25 years. It just seems like it when you are waiting in one of those long lines.

  148. There is too much that is not known about the underlying thinking beneath this executive order (assuming that there is rational thinking at the bottom of it). We don’t know exactly why these seven countries were included and others excluded, or whether there are plans to add other nations in short order. Or whether the threat of addition to the list will be used to gain leverage over those countries that are not currently on the list, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan being obvious cases.

    The restrictions on the travel of ‘dual citizens’ are particularly mystifying, as it is not clear what the reasons are, or how dual citizenship is defined. For example Mo(hamed) Farah, 4-times Olympic gold medalist in the 5000 and 10000 meters foot races is a UK citizen who lives with his family in Oregon, but is currently training at altitude in Ethiopia. As he was born in Somalia, it is possible that he will not be allowed to rejoin his family.

    My father, who is a UK citizen, was born in Egypt 92 years ago when his father was the UK consul in Alexandria. If Egypt is added to the “list”, will he be banned from visiting the US again on grounds of eligibility for dual citizenship?

    One can come up with ‘what if’ examples ad infinitum.

    It could be that demands to the governments concerned will follow requiring certain actions to deter terrorist and/or Islamic extremist organizations in their territory, or support for extremist Islamic groups, before US travel rights are restored to their citizens.

    It seems to me that the mainstream media, in their usual chicken-with-its-head-cut-off manner, are failing to ask the right questions about what this is really all about.

    • Replies: @guest
    I think we do know why those countries were picked. Syria because Syria, and the rest because the administration went off a list prepared by the previous administration. That's so that they could throw Obama in people's faces when the MSM calls them on it. I think that was clever.
  149. @helena
    It will be interesting to see what happens when (if?) Trump comes to visit the UK queen - mass demos are already being organised.

    Liberals like to set cars alight
    If you think that's wrong
    You must be Far Right
    Because don't you know
    Arson is the latest Human Right

    He’d better be quick about it, or he’ll be chatting via Ouija board.
    Already had one ominous near-miss this winter (no-show at Sandringham).
    I doubt he’d be quite so entertained by Charles’ views on .. just about anything.

  150. Iran is threatening to retaliate…Iran refuses to accept Syrian refugees despite sharing the same Shia muslim faith as the majority of the refugees who are persecuted by the Sunni lead ISIS rebels. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die in order to forge a pure form of Islam. They are a wealthy oil nation, but unwilling to accept fellow muslim refugees.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Iran refuses to accept Syrian refugees...
     
    Because they are already chock full of ethnic and religious tension. And people. They are chock full of people, as is most of the world.

    It looks like everyplace will soon be completely full of people and their tensions; migration and immigration will then cease to be a concern.
  151. @Perspective
    Thank you for writing that post, Philippe Lemoine. I agree with the spirit of Trumps executive order, but as you say, a few modifications would take away certain legitimate criticisms from the hysterical left.

    One thing, when you wrote: "I also think it’s politically stupid because, while I have no doubt that taking in more refugees is extremely popular (I will probably write something about this at some point)"

    Did you mean to say unpopular?

    Shit, you’re right, I’ll make the correction right away.

  152. @Dr. X

    I think it more likely a reference to refugees from Nazi Germany being denied entry to the U.S. and other countries. That’s been a Big Theme among open border types post-WWII: we better let in everyone or else they might be holocausted.
     
    Yes, but the lefties who hold this view do not understand history.

    It's almost certainly a reference to the steamship St. Louis, which was filled with Jewish refugees who were denied entry into the U.S. in 1939. Two important points they forget: 1) the Depression was still on and unemployment was 19%. There was no way we were going to let in refugees under those economic conditions. And 2) although the Jews were being targeted in Germany in 1939, the "Holocaust," properly speaking, did not begin until 1941-42 until after the German loss at Stalingrad. The St. Louis arrived in the U.S. in May of 1939, several months before Hitler invaded Poland. The war had not even begun yet.

    Battle of Moscow not Stalingrad, but yes, you’re right that the Holocaust proper was Hitler’s revenge on the people he blamed for the war going badly. By 1942 it was clear to all that the Russian war was going to be a long hard bloody struggle with uncertain outcome. i.e. another ‘Verdun’ – exactly what Hitler had promised his people he would not inflict on them.

  153. Steve,
    The irony in all of this is that the Trump Administration will likel end up being the most pro-Israel administration in American history, even more so than Bush II.

    I think we should start referring to Trump as Literally Netanyahu.

  154. @Fran Macadam
    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn't been a policy they've been handed that they haven't managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it's only gotten worse.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration's agenda, including judges.

    Homeland Security hasn’t existed for 25 years.

  155. @Fran Macadam
    I will addend that Homeland Security implemented policy in its usual boorish, SNAFU-riddled, bureaucratic and dysfunctional way. There hasn't been a policy they've been handed that they haven't managed to make a hash of, regardless of administration, for over 25 years, and it's only gotten worse.

    An implementation that meets common sense, something that has been winnowed out of that cohort of drones, would have excluded from its denial of entry those who are already lawful permanent residents and those already legally approved with visas in hand.

    By not making sure of this, and being unreasonable, just added a whole lot of new political opponents to the rest of the administration's agenda, including judges.

    Meh, visas can be revoked and lawful residents ain’t citizens. Cry me a river.

    Judges were already enemies of the administration. Believe dat.

  156. @advancedatheist
    For some reason no one picks up on the irony that the original Hitler arrived in Germany as an immigrant and a carpetbagger. If Germany had stricter immigration laws a century ago, Hitler probably would have stayed in Austria, and he wouldn't have amounted to much.

    If anything, Hitler's career looks like an object lesson about the dangers of immigrants.

    And Mussolini became politically active when he moved to Switzerland. There is a theme there….

  157. @Anonymous
    It's deliberate:

    https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/825507714780524545

    That’s what they say *now.*

  158. @JohnnyD
    @Philippe Lemoine,
    Great post. Trump should have just blocked the entrance of incoming/future refugees, or those who haven't arrived in the country yet.

    I see you haven’t yet paid attention to his Art of the Deal. He tells you what he will do, does it, and STILL, like the press, you ignore what he has told you he will do and HOW he will do it.

  159. @Glossy
    I think there's been a ratcheting up of anti-Trump rhetoric in Twitter over the last few days. I read this stuff in amazement.

    Polarization has been increasing for quite a few years, probably because of the Internet. If you extend that trend line to infinity, you get civil war. One argument against that is that people have gotten wimpier. But I'm expecting more violent clashes between demonstrators and police, demonstrators and counter-demonstrators. I'm curious about people's opinions on where this is all heading. How much will Trump be able to accomplish, what would the other side do in return?

    As long as the polarization continues to take place online, it will never lead to Civil War II. Like porn and Netflix, the internet itself has become a sin eater of sorts.

  160. @Merema
    All these years, the elite have refused to reform the immigration system in a reasonable manner for the good of America..so it has come to this. I've come to accept that it will only take far right strongmen such as Trump and team to reform the dysfunctional immigration system if America is to be saved.

    Trump handled the Muslim immigration issue stupidly.. unbelievable.

    He could have started by pausing acceptance or severely limiting new refugees from Syria, and carefully worked his way to reforming the entire legal immigration system. Instead he targeted people who already have green cards and visas simply based on their religion alone (no one is fooled it is otherwise). It's immoral, actually quite disgusting to go after legal residents who simply happened to be out of the country on a trip. He has galvanized a huge opposition with his rushed, poorly thought disruptive directive that smells of the beginnings of religious apartheid.

    Here is what he could have said..."we will halt Syrian immigration blah, blah...however, the Syrians that have already been accepted can come as we are a humane nation..blah, blah. New immigrants from the following countries will be paused until further notice....current legal immigrants will not be affected as i am a fair man, and america is a fair country blah." Bush had Muslim immigrant males register and no one said a peep because he was discrete.

    Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    You mean how any cuck Repub would have run screaming from this policy the first time someone with a sign showed up at the airport?

    The Ctr shilling paying well?

  161. @Peter Akuleyev
    In the 1930′s, refugees and other immigrants demanded entry into a country whose ruler was “Literally Hitler?”

    No, Tillmann is being (deliberately?) obtuse. Trump and Bannon are being compared to Father Coughlin and the America Firsters in the left wing analogy, not Hitler (that would be Putin?)

    Father Coughlin and America First! weren’t in power. I realize lefties wouldn’t draw attention to this fact, but FDR was president and he turned away the Jews, consigning them to their fates in whatever other country would have them or Darkest Germany. (Not counting the ones who built the Bomb for us.)

  162. @Anon 2
    Poland and Hungary said "no" to the influx
    of migrants from Africa and the Middle East
    because they know what it's like to be occupied
    by foreign powers. But Britain, France, Germany,
    and the U.S. were the ones doing the invading and
    colonizing so they have no experience of being
    invaded (except France, briefly). As a result, I believe
    they are psychologically unprepared to handle what is
    going on in the world today, which is that millions
    (or perhaps billions, in the coming decades) of people
    from Africa, Middle East, India, China, and Latin America want
    to move to Europe, North America, and Australia, and they
    believe they have every right to live there

    You’re right about the history, but even for Brits and Americans it shouldn’t be such a huge feat of intelligence and imagination to understand the dangers.

  163. @Perspective
    Being partially of Ukrainian descent myself, I saw the movie's trailer out of curiosity. From the bits I saw it appears they are trying to blur the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union. I simple plot where Ukrainians are the innocent victims and Russians the bad guys. It should be noted that in part because of Bolshevik policies, there were famines in many parts of modern day Russia the same time the Holodomar was occurring. The movie should be about how just about everyone living in the USSR suffered, Ukrainian or not.

    https://youtu.be/HKLBp3fZ5zA

    Famine wasn’t randomly spread across the Soviet Union. Certain areas were targeted for their recalcitrance, including various discreet nationalities. I don’t know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the “breadbasket” of the empire.

    • Replies: @HA
    "I don’t know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the “breadbasket” of the empire."

    Good point. There's also the Walter Duranty angle, in which the politically correct in the West went out of their way to whitewash what was happening there.

    , @Jack D
    Communism had destroyed the market mechanism that ensure that supply = demand, so there was not going to be enough food to feed everyone. Stalin prioritized the rapid forced industrialization of the country and knew that in any event he needed to keep the population of the capital under control. So a decision was made to allocate whatever food there was to the urban areas. He A didn't care about people dying in general and B if the people dying were not Communist supporters then their deaths were not a bug but a feature.

    Decades later in the N.Korean famine the same thing happened - there was plenty of food in Pyinyongyang.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Stalin was -exporting- grain while people were starving in the Ukraine. The collectivization of farms was also intended to break the back of Ukrainian society by persecuting "kulaks". Read Robert Conquest's Harvest of Sorrow. Truly eye opening.

    https://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Sorrow-Soviet-Collectivization-Terror-Famine/dp/0195051807
  164. @Merema
    All these years, the elite have refused to reform the immigration system in a reasonable manner for the good of America..so it has come to this. I've come to accept that it will only take far right strongmen such as Trump and team to reform the dysfunctional immigration system if America is to be saved.

    Trump handled the Muslim immigration issue stupidly.. unbelievable.

    He could have started by pausing acceptance or severely limiting new refugees from Syria, and carefully worked his way to reforming the entire legal immigration system. Instead he targeted people who already have green cards and visas simply based on their religion alone (no one is fooled it is otherwise). It's immoral, actually quite disgusting to go after legal residents who simply happened to be out of the country on a trip. He has galvanized a huge opposition with his rushed, poorly thought disruptive directive that smells of the beginnings of religious apartheid.

    Here is what he could have said..."we will halt Syrian immigration blah, blah...however, the Syrians that have already been accepted can come as we are a humane nation..blah, blah. New immigrants from the following countries will be paused until further notice....current legal immigrants will not be affected as i am a fair man, and america is a fair country blah." Bush had Muslim immigrant males register and no one said a peep because he was discrete.

    Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    > Is there any leadership in this country that is sane?

    I know what you mean. The order seems a bit crazy. But it also feels like another instance of Trump demonstrating “Yes we can” (and not just saying it emptily, like Obama).

    As you say, no one has done anything to change immigration for the better in a long time. There have been a lot of reasonable-sounding policies that tip-toed the right way around all the sensitivities and the complexities, while achieving nothing.

    This is quite explicitly a trial run. It will flush out a lot of hysteria (how this is literally going to cause a second Holocaust, well… I hope the absurdity of such statements becomes apparent to all in time, and in the meantime I am regretfully tuning out a lot of people). But it establishes that we control our borders. This is a very good message to send to those who voted Trump, and beyond that to all friends and foes of the US. Sure, it may be wrong in several details, but we can tune it with time.

    Scott Adams has some good explanations of how this could be yet another negotiation and persuasion move that shifts the window of what can be said and done and expected:
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration

  165. Under President Trump every day will be Holocaust Remembrance Day, so why not sign the order for extreme vetting of refugees on the actual Holocaust Remembrance Day.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Under President Trump every day will be Holocaust Remembrance Day

    Great line.
  166. @JohnnyD
    Philippe Lemoine,
    His hysterical opponents don't see a difference between legal residents who already live and future refugees/immigrants. They're basically saying that every Somali, Syrian, Iranian, Yemeni, Iraqi, Sudanese, and Libyan has a right to move. Trump's people need to emphasize this important point.

    Who was it that said that the true genius of the Austrians was to convince people that Beethoven was an Austrian while Hitler was a German? I’m guessing that Austrians feel more German than, say Canadians feel American. I also think that most Americans don’t think of Canadians as ‘real’ foreigners- they’re more like Minnesotans. Come to think of it, socialism? hockey? Maybe Minnesotans are Canadians!

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Who was it that said that the true genius of the Austrians was to convince people that Beethoven was an Austrian while Hitler was a German? I’m guessing that Austrians feel more German than, say Canadians feel American. I also think that most Americans don’t think of Canadians as ‘real’ foreigners- they’re more like Minnesotans. Come to think of it, socialism? hockey? Maybe Minnesotans are Canadians!"

    So Canadians are not Alaskans?
  167. The polarization issue cuts both ways. There are many sane people in the middle and even on the left who understand that open borders is the wrong way to solve the problems of the world. They, not Trump, will be the initial targets of this hysteria.

    For example, there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women’s march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause. But henceforth, a lot of them will choose to go along with open borders just because Trump is on the other side of the issue.

    To the extent that the reasonable remnant among the left are marginalized or disappear altogether (as happened with pro-life Democrats), that will only make it harder to craft a long-lasting sane immigration policy (which, of course, is precisely what the open borders faction wants, but there’s no reason to play into their hands).

    • Replies: @Matra
    there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women’s march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause.

    Yet they wanted virtually open borders Hillary to win. I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left that supports immigration restrictions.

  168. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just "All Lives Matter"ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.

    Why is it so important to jews that they be specifically distinguished and that a presidential statement also include reference to “anti-Semitism”?

    By the stridency of their objections, it is almost as if doing so would have some actual influence on the right here and now.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If a President made a statement on St. Patrick's Day would you expect him to mention the Irish?

    Holocaust Remembrance Day is the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz (by Soviet troops). 1.1 million people died at Auschwitz of which 960,000 were Jewish. There has been a lot of effort made to universalize the Holocaust for understandable reasons and to mention all the gays, gypsies, etc. who died but the numbers speak for themselves. Auschwitz (and specifically Auschwitz II - Birekenau) was a factory built for exterminating the Jews of Europe. If they ran some other people thru the factory, this was incidental to the main mission.
  169. @Philippe Lemoine
    I just wrote a post about Trump's executive order: http://necpluribusimpar.net/executive-order-immigration/. Among other things, I point out that the amount of hypocrisy about this is really staggering...

    Yeah I agree about the hypocrisy of Trump’s leftist critics, on this issue and on just about every issue.

    You see supposed war haters becoming war mongers; former despisers of patriotism calling for Trump to be thrown out for “treason”; advocates of gay rights supporting the import of the most virulently anti-gay religion in the world. The list goes on forever, and it is distinctly worse in the age of Trump than ever before.

    And all of these obvious inconsistencies are held by people who pretend to be our intellectual class.

    I’ve come to realize that one thing that makes me different from most of the left is that, when I’m inconsistent or hypocritical, it actually bothers me. I feel a powerful need to reconcile my beliefs so that the problems go away. Sometimes this has required me to give up on even pretty basic beliefs that I had held.

    I wonder if most people on the left have ever gone through that experience. They are, typically, brought up in a leftist bubble of certainty, and I doubt that they’ve ever changed their minds in a major way.

  170. @Jack D
    Yesterday's events at the airports were mostly just bureaucratic snafus and probably not intentionally planned, but they have rebounded to Trump anyway.

    The Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) thinks that all these sob stories about family reunification and grad students blah blah blah will move the public but I think they will backfire because the American public (outside the refugee resettlement industry) doesn't really want these people here and are glad when they stay wherever they are now. The MSM always finds the most photogenic poster boys and girls. Anyway a lot of the immigrants that have gone on rampages were highly educated - among Muslims higher education doesn't make you into a Leftist atheist globalist, just into a more educated fanatic.

    All the people demonstrating at the airports, etc. were not Trump supporters to begin with and since Trump is Literally Hitler to them, he has zero chance of winning them over with kindness anyway, so being a cuck as you advise would not do him any good. The court order that was obtained shows how the unelected Leftist court system interferes with the will of the electorate as expressed thru its elected leaders. Among his own supporters, yesterday's actions show that Trump actually means to carry out his campaign promises. Most politicians promise all sorts of crap during their campaign and the minute they get into office, it's all forgotten or compromised into nothingness but Trump is not most politicians.

    “Anyway a lot of the immigrants that have gone on rampages were highly educated – among Muslims higher education doesn’t make you into a Leftist atheist globalist, just into a more educated fanatic.”

    What often happens is that Muslims learn how to adopt leftist rhetoric to adorn their arguments, especially at Western universities. The BDS movement is such an example.

    A slightly different but related case would be how many progressives love Al Jazeera: the news network did a great job in adapting leftist rhetoric to advance medieval opinions.

    Sure, among themselves, radical Muslims talk about Shariah, but when they’re in public or talking with liberals, the more clever ones know how to clothe their aims in talk about social justice, minority rights, etc.

  171. @HA
    The polarization issue cuts both ways. There are many sane people in the middle and even on the left who understand that open borders is the wrong way to solve the problems of the world. They, not Trump, will be the initial targets of this hysteria.

    For example, there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women's march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause. But henceforth, a lot of them will choose to go along with open borders just because Trump is on the other side of the issue.

    To the extent that the reasonable remnant among the left are marginalized or disappear altogether (as happened with pro-life Democrats), that will only make it harder to craft a long-lasting sane immigration policy (which, of course, is precisely what the open borders faction wants, but there's no reason to play into their hands).

    there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women’s march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause.

    Yet they wanted virtually open borders Hillary to win. I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left that supports immigration restrictions.

    • Replies: @HA
    "I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left"

    Mickey Kaus? Pre-election Bernie Sanders "immigration=KochBros"?

    If you've read some of the comment sections of the NYTimes over the last few weeks, the editors have on numerous occasions given up their ham-fisted approach to censoring away the badthink. Or else, check out any comment section on any article the recent burqa/burkini bans. You'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, that could all be an orchestrated manouvre by the alt-right to plant fake leftists in among the sheeple, but I doubt it.

    , @Jack D
    These women are operating on feelz and have not thought his through at all. Look at Merkel in Germany - forget about playing 4 dimensional chess, she wasn't even playing 2D checkers.
  172. John Horgan:-

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/what-is-philosophys-point-part-3-maybe-it-should-stick-to-ethics/

    In “The Singer Solution to World Poverty,” Peter Singer uses a variation of the trolley problem to guilt New York Times readers into donating more to the poor. He asks us to imagine a man, Bob, watching a train bearing down on a child. Bob can pull a switch that diverts the train onto another track, but then the train will destroy Bob’s Bugatti sports car. Any sane person, Singer writes, knows that it would be “gravely wrong” for Bob not to pull the switch and save the child. It is equally wrong, he asserts, for us to spend on stuff we don’t really need rather than donating to groups that can save the lives of poor children. I was relieved when the Times published a letter that pointed out a kink in Singer’s reasoning. According to a strict utilitarian analysis, Bob should let the train kill the child, because he could then sell the Bugatti and donate the proceeds to a charity that would save lots of children.

    Less US money for refugees under Trump will still go much further in saving lives if it is spent abroad. Letting them in without reference to how to save the most lives is Kantian-ism, whereby the categorical imperative is the only thing that matters.

  173. @Mr. Anon
    Can't we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay. You pay for shipping, and it's yours.

    Liberty Island could be repurposed as a detention center for illegal aliens.

    Can’t we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay.

    Don’t blame the Statue of Liberty for the poem added later. Friendship of France with the US and the US as a beacon demonstrating liberty to the world are both laudable aims IMHO. The torch symbolizes a beacon to illuminate the path to Liberty, not a “Vacancy” sign.

    And Liberty sure has some awfully curious meanings these days.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Don’t blame the Statue of Liberty for the poem added later."

    I don't blame the house for the termites, but it's the house that pays the price.

    I'm all for anything that dismantles the poisonous idea of "American Exceptionalism".
  174. @Matra
    there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women’s march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause.

    Yet they wanted virtually open borders Hillary to win. I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left that supports immigration restrictions.

    “I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left”

    Mickey Kaus? Pre-election Bernie Sanders “immigration=KochBros”?

    If you’ve read some of the comment sections of the NYTimes over the last few weeks, the editors have on numerous occasions given up their ham-fisted approach to censoring away the badthink. Or else, check out any comment section on any article the recent burqa/burkini bans. You’ll see what I’m talking about. Yeah, that could all be an orchestrated manouvre by the alt-right to plant fake leftists in among the sheeple, but I doubt it.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    A left-winger would say that Mickey Kaus is a far-right extremist white nationalist hate group Neo-Nazi.
    , @bomag

    Pre-election Bernie Sanders “immigration=KochBros”?
     
    And look how quickly that went away. Sanders is out there denouncing the travel ban; I recall that he became an immigration booster at the end of his campaign.

    "You will be assimilated."
  175. @Gabriel M
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/12853/featured-womens-march-speaker-once-kidnapped-raped-amanda-prestigiacomo

    Is this legit?

    Convicted felon Donna Hylton, who once was a member of a group that kidnapped, raped and tortured an elderly man to the point of death, was a featured speaker at Saturday's pro-abortion and anti-Trump Women's March on Washington.
     

    Yes, this is very real. The 1985 headline was “Girl Gang Seized in Trunk Slaying.” A complete, but excessively sympathetic to Hylton, Psychology Today magazine story about the murder and perpetrators is at the below link. This kidnap, torture, rape, murder was very gruesome and one can legitimately ask, has she “paid her debt” for the crime. I will not repeat, but you can read the gruesome details.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I don't care if she has paid her debt to society and I think it is a nonsense concept.

    My question is: Does such a barbaric individual belong in any modern society.
    , @snorlax
    Somewhat ironically, psychologists seem to be very vulnerable to being bamboozled by psychopaths. Psychiatrists, coming from a non-pseudoscience discipline, usually have better sense.
  176. @Yak-15
    I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren't fighters. If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks' side.

    “I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren’t fighters.”

    I’m definitely seeing the bellicose rantings and threats. But you’re right. They’re talking the talk but they’re not capable of walking the walk.

    “If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks’ side.”

    You mean the people who understand the wisdom of having more than one gun, don’t think 1000 rounds of ammo would be enough if TSHTF, know how to reload and cast bullets, and keep a supply of food and water on hand?

    Yeah, me, too.

  177. @Mr. Blank
    Well, I've heard loudmouths of various stripes on the right talk about civil war and revolution my whole life. None have ever done anything, but it's always been a topic of discussion, at least in the background.

    But the left -- excluding the communist far left -- have always, in my experience, carried around this unconscious assumption that they could always count on government storm troopers being on their side, serving their interests. Even if individual storm troopers harbored doubts, the assumption was that those guys would work for them.

    They've gradually started to lose that confidence over the past few years. The election of Trump seems to have crystallized this realization: Holy crap, we can't count on the scary government guys with guns to enforce OUR will! They might actually start working AGAINST us!

    The right has always assumed that. But it seems like Trump has been a huge epiphany for the left on this matter, and they're freaking out over it. It's like a horror movie for them: It turns out that the machinery for Nazi domination that they'd always feared WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM THE WHOLE TIME.

    WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF CREATED AND SUPPORTED BY THEM THE WHOLE TIME.

    FTFY

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    "The phone calls ... are coming from inside your house!"

    Cue scary violins. :)
  178. @Anonymous
    Today was a milestone in mainstream media self destruction. It was total newsroom hysteria over a few foreigners being held up at the airports.

    Media approval poll numbers have sunk to lows equal to congress. The same virus that infected Rolling Stone is everywhere. Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It's just one hatchet job after another on Trump.

    WashPost is ruined it's like a dumped but still obsessed ex-girlfriend who won't stop stalking. It's not journalism ...

    “Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It’s just one hatchet job after another on Trump.”

    Yes, they were fully weaponized when President Trump publicly called them fake news, to their face!

    CNN doesn’t even pretend to have balance anymore: it’s 24/7 Trumphobia. How much longer before someone on CNN openly calls for President Trump’s murder?

  179. @JerseyGuy
    Steve,
    The irony in all of this is that the Trump Administration will likel end up being the most pro-Israel administration in American history, even more so than Bush II.

    I think we should start referring to Trump as Literally Netanyahu.

    I’m stealing that on Twitter.

    • Replies: @JerseyGuy
    Go ahead!
    , @Jack D
    It seems to me that what many on the alt-right don't get is that the same Jews who don't like Trump don't like Netanyahu either. So calling Trump Literally Netanyahu is not going to make their heads spin - they will nod in agreement that Trump is just one more deplorable.

    And I'm not just talking about BDS self-hating ultra leftist Chomky Jews. There are plenty of American Jews who love Israel but hate Netanyahu, the Israeli fences, the West Bank settlements, etc. The Israel that they like is Tel Aviv which is like the Middle East version of LA. They want the Prime Minister of Israel to be some Israeli version of Obama or Bartlet from the West Wing who is going to make peace with the Palestinians and they don't give two damns if they have to give back some hilltops where crazy settlers with beards live (not ironic hipster neckbeards but serious religious beards). Of course this is never going to happen again because the Labor Party in Israel is not going to get elected any more than the Democrats are going to take Wyoming. But you can fantasize.
  180. The genital mutilation of Muslim women, awful as it may be, seems tame compared to the excision of penis and scrotum, and their replacement by a pseudo-vagina surgical reconstruction, that’s undergone by American aspiring trannies–among them little boys, with the approval of their parents.

  181. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    Today was a milestone in mainstream media self destruction. It was total newsroom hysteria over a few foreigners being held up at the airports.

    Media approval poll numbers have sunk to lows equal to congress. The same virus that infected Rolling Stone is everywhere. Listening to CNN is actually entertaining again because they are so degenerated. It's just one hatchet job after another on Trump.

    WashPost is ruined it's like a dumped but still obsessed ex-girlfriend who won't stop stalking. It's not journalism ...

    I used to scroll through the news each day on my cell phone while commuting. But increasingly, its been one ‘Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler’ article after another, so stopped bothering for a while.

    But I happened to notice on (Friday?) a great article by Newt about Trump making the establishment wet their pants, so maybe a few kernels of sense can still be found out there.

  182. @guest
    Famine wasn't randomly spread across the Soviet Union. Certain areas were targeted for their recalcitrance, including various discreet nationalities. I don't know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the "breadbasket" of the empire.

    “I don’t know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the “breadbasket” of the empire.”

    Good point. There’s also the Walter Duranty angle, in which the politically correct in the West went out of their way to whitewash what was happening there.

  183. @FKA Max
    In related news:

    South-East Asian(literally likens himself to) Hitler is commencing with his eugenics program on literally six million poor Filipino women:


    The Philippine president, Rodrigo Duterte, signed an executive order this month calling for the full and immediate enforcement of a 2012 law that would give six million women like Ms. Torreras free government-distributed contraception and reproductive health services.

    Mr. Duterte portrayed the order as an antipoverty measure, with an official calling it “pro-life, pro-women, pro-children and pro-economic development.”

    But the order was also Mr. Duterte’s latest jab at the Roman Catholic Church, which wields significant power in the Philippines and has fought for years to keep the law from taking effect.
     

    - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/asia/philippines-free-contraception-duterte.html

    Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte likens himself to Hitler – video

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/sep/30/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-likens-himself-to-hitler-video

    North American Hitler still has much to learn...

    Return on Investment: A Fuller Assessment
    of the Benefits and Cost Savings of the US
    Publicly Funded Family Planning Program


    This investment resulted in net government savings of $13.6 billion
    in 2010, or $7.09 for every public dollar spent.
     
    - https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/journals/MQ-Frost_1468-0009.12080.pdf

    If fly over America was lashing out at their loss of jobs in this last election, which by the way Trump can’t fix, since enhanced automation will be even more a feature of US companies’ practices, this tenet of women’s right of privacy, now 43 years in place, will insure that not only will Trump have a 2 year window before he loses control of Congress, but that many of his other issues will be so delayed as to make them un-actionable.

    I covered this point in my earlier op ed piece, A Trump Attack On Planned Parenthood Would Be Strategic Madness.
     

    - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/01/top-trump-advisor-kellyanne-conway-will-speak-at-anti-abortion-march/

    It’s amusing the level of condescension in this explanation:

    If fly over America was lashing out at their loss of jobs in this last election, which by the way Trump can’t fix, since enhanced automation will be even more a feature of US companies’ practices, this tenet of women’s right of privacy, now 43 years in place, will insure that not only will Trump have a 2 year window before he loses control of Congress, but that many of his other issues will be so delayed as to make them un-actionable.

    I remember that condescension was the number 1 technique on how in influence people and change their minds.

  184. @CCZ
    Yes, this is very real. The 1985 headline was "Girl Gang Seized in Trunk Slaying." A complete, but excessively sympathetic to Hylton, Psychology Today magazine story about the murder and perpetrators is at the below link. This kidnap, torture, rape, murder was very gruesome and one can legitimately ask, has she "paid her debt" for the crime. I will not repeat, but you can read the gruesome details.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment

    I don’t care if she has paid her debt to society and I think it is a nonsense concept.

    My question is: Does such a barbaric individual belong in any modern society.

  185. @Mike Sylwester
    This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    You are too short for this ride.

  186. I thought he’d really screwed up this ban last night when the judge issued the stay order but it seems like it’s a win for him in that he was able to walk back the more extreme position leaving the rest of the EO intact.

    It’s hilarious how everyone is critiquing his implementation when in practice a few people faced a few hours of delays. Big deal. Obama left thousands of Cubans at the Mexican border and no one gives a shit.

    Given that he was going to get grief for this policy no matter what, I think they did fine. Leftist protests won’t convince anyone who didn’t already vote against Trump and may even help to convince neutrals that Trump is better than these loons.

    • Replies: @res

    I thought he’d really screwed up this ban last night when the judge issued the stay order but it seems like it’s a win for him in that he was able to walk back the more extreme position leaving the rest of the EO intact.
     
    One lesson I've learned regarding Trump is not to ridicule what he does, no matter how seemingly stupid, until I have seen how the next few moves play out. It's going to be an interesting four years.
  187. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    If you’re a young Jewish man in 2017, which side do you join?
     
    Here’s my past comment about that (#114).

    There may already be some promising signs.

    One caveat: even “magnanimous” White Nationalists may not fully trust Jewish allies. It’s one thing for Jews to play along (for now), and quite another to be an unreserved pro-white-Gentile righteous Jew. Actions over time will speak the truth. Inconstancy will be easily detected by said WNs. Loyalty will be rewarded. In the recent Obey Giant thread, Intelligent Dasein confessed to some meme puzzlement:

    Then again, I still don’t get Pepe the Frog either.
     
    Smug Pepe’s expression says to the guilty:

    “We know who you are and we know what you’ve been doing for quite some time. The game is up.”
     
    My advice to Jews who want to “get right with Kek”: Fight for white (i.e. racially European) group preservation and self-determination—even if many WNs don’t see Jews as white. If this requires calling out Jewish anti-Gentiles as such, do not flinch. This may be ‘hard on the ego,’ and I sympathize.

    This scene from Mulholland Drive shows the moment of realization I’m trying to describe. I’m pretty sure Jews as a People do not want to see The Cowboy twice within the span of 100 years.

    Like The Cowboy says:

    “… and if you fix your attitude, you can ride along with me.”
     
    I sincerely hope this answers your posed “Catch-22” question.

    Yeah, that’s the problem. I’m happy being alt-lite, which is far as you can go even being a halfie. (I don’t have the political chops to be the next Stephen Miller or even Mencius Moldbug.)

    I’ve got no problem calling out people like Lena Dunham or Tim Wise…but I also remember the response to Joshua Seidel, who actually defended the alt-right position on the Forward’s website, was ‘You do know we would literally kill you, right?’

    I’m one guy with no influence. The best you’re going to get is Breitbart. Which, given that one of their boys took the White House, isn’t too bad, actually.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Yeah, that’s the problem. I’m happy being alt-lite,"

    I am happy being a Western Chauvinist. The West is the best. Out of all the Nonwhite regions on the planet Asia Northeast sucks the least.

  188. @Yak-15
    I am not seeing this same mentality you note. Besides, most of the left have zero military training and most aren't fighters. If things get violent I want to be on the rednecks' side.

    Go on twitter and facebook and search for Richard Spencer. Read what people are saying about him. Not just marginal antifa scum but “respectable” liberals.

  189. Jerry Seinfeld was the subject of a two minute Intifada, over a punnish tweet regarding Lewis Black guesting on “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee,” (which is funny): “Lewis Black’s life matters.”

    So I’d rather have Jerry Seinfeld on my team than either sitting out or on the other side. Its time for the loudest voices on the Alt-Right to dial down the anti-Semitism. Not only is it wrong, there are plenty and indeed the MAJORITY of Jews on the side of Trump and Bibi globally, (many just don’t vote for dudes like McCain any more than the White working class voted for 47 percent Romney), we need that smart fraction of Meme Warriors making fun of Ashley Judd and Madonna. The real enemy is and always has been the Marie Antoinettes, those wealthy White women with more life choices and $500 iphones.

    Bibi has made it a point to support Trumps proposed border wall citing his own. Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler, high functioning alcoholics (by their own comic routines) and carousel riders (if you believe their books and performances) are your enemy. Jerry Seinfeld, married, with a big car collection, and kids is not. He’s got skin in the game that aging sluts like Ashley Judd do not.

    As far as Hot Civil War goes, yes its coming. There has been a long, long Cold Civil War, since 1948 and Truman’s Desegregation of the Army, between Upper Class Whites seeking moral virtue signaling in the face of collapsing Christianity due to the pill and condom eroding any and all sexual restrictions (on women only). And the White working and middle class on the other side.

    It had been papered over by first Post-War economic growth, then intensifying Cold War confrontation with the Soviets. But since 1989 there has been a struggle between the Marie Antoinettes (let them eat intersesctionality!) and the Jacobins. Trump is not Hitler; he’s Napoleon and Wellington combined, a figure desperately trying to put the nation back together in old forms but with working/middle class support. Trump is a Napoleon opposed to War, looking inward, and focused on rebuilding working/middle class income and security.

    OF COURSE the Upper Classes hate hate hate him for this. And scream racism, cry Muslim bans (its a temporary ban to figure out how to exclude ISIS and Jihadis, said ban lasting far less than Obama’s 2011 ban). Their innate, organic desire supported by their women and women just under them in class to create a global Aristocracy is threatened.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Bibi has made it a point to support Trumps proposed border wall citing his own."

    And he specifically condemned the very action that Trump is taking now, back when Trump announced it a little over a year ago.

    "Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler, high functioning alcoholics (by their own comic routines) and carousel riders (if you believe their books and performances) are your enemy. Jerry Seinfeld, married, with a big car collection, and kids is not."

    I've never thought Jerry Seinfeld is my enemy.

    Just as I've never thought that you were on my side.

  190. @Sean
    Under President Trump every day will be Holocaust Remembrance Day, so why not sign the order for extreme vetting of refugees on the actual Holocaust Remembrance Day.

    Under President Trump every day will be Holocaust Remembrance Day

    Great line.

  191. @HA
    "I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left"

    Mickey Kaus? Pre-election Bernie Sanders "immigration=KochBros"?

    If you've read some of the comment sections of the NYTimes over the last few weeks, the editors have on numerous occasions given up their ham-fisted approach to censoring away the badthink. Or else, check out any comment section on any article the recent burqa/burkini bans. You'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, that could all be an orchestrated manouvre by the alt-right to plant fake leftists in among the sheeple, but I doubt it.

    A left-winger would say that Mickey Kaus is a far-right extremist white nationalist hate group Neo-Nazi.

    • Replies: @HA
    "A left-winger would say that Mickey Kaus is a far-right extremist white nationalist hate group Neo-Nazi."

    If not now, then soon. But that's pretty much how pro-life Democrats came to be regarded, too.
  192. @CCZ
    Yes, this is very real. The 1985 headline was "Girl Gang Seized in Trunk Slaying." A complete, but excessively sympathetic to Hylton, Psychology Today magazine story about the murder and perpetrators is at the below link. This kidnap, torture, rape, murder was very gruesome and one can legitimately ask, has she "paid her debt" for the crime. I will not repeat, but you can read the gruesome details.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment

    Somewhat ironically, psychologists seem to be very vulnerable to being bamboozled by psychopaths. Psychiatrists, coming from a non-pseudoscience discipline, usually have better sense.

  193. @res

    WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF CREATED AND SUPPORTED BY THEM THE WHOLE TIME.
     
    FTFY

    “The phone calls … are coming from inside your house!

    Cue scary violins. :)

  194. @anonguy

    I’ve never seen this before. I have no idea what it means or where it will lead.
     
    Do you think it accidental that Trump's first two actions, and quite prominent ones, in office were appointing stalwart hearties at DoD and Homeland Security which was then quickly followed by a Kiss and Makeup with CIA?

    Get the guys in the state security business locked in.

    In the days leading up to the inauguration, I was concerned about some attempt to deny Trump the swearing in.

    I definitely agree with you, the rhetoric/mindset of the leftists is unprecedented. And on top of that, Trump is positively delighting his supporters. So the chasm is growing by movement on both sides.

    Maybe a Calexit would take the steam out of things?

    Maybe a Calexit would take the steam out of things?

    The Who, Whom? aspect of Calexit is quite funny. Ask any of the people advocating for it how they feel about the secession of Southern states which led to the Civil War. I wonder if any of them can find a consistent set of principles justifying both views. I guess in their minds “Racism!” would be enough.

  195. @guest
    Famine wasn't randomly spread across the Soviet Union. Certain areas were targeted for their recalcitrance, including various discreet nationalities. I don't know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the "breadbasket" of the empire.

    Communism had destroyed the market mechanism that ensure that supply = demand, so there was not going to be enough food to feed everyone. Stalin prioritized the rapid forced industrialization of the country and knew that in any event he needed to keep the population of the capital under control. So a decision was made to allocate whatever food there was to the urban areas. He A didn’t care about people dying in general and B if the people dying were not Communist supporters then their deaths were not a bug but a feature.

    Decades later in the N.Korean famine the same thing happened – there was plenty of food in Pyinyongyang.

  196. @RamonaQ
    I thought he'd really screwed up this ban last night when the judge issued the stay order but it seems like it's a win for him in that he was able to walk back the more extreme position leaving the rest of the EO intact.

    It's hilarious how everyone is critiquing his implementation when in practice a few people faced a few hours of delays. Big deal. Obama left thousands of Cubans at the Mexican border and no one gives a shit.

    Given that he was going to get grief for this policy no matter what, I think they did fine. Leftist protests won't convince anyone who didn't already vote against Trump and may even help to convince neutrals that Trump is better than these loons.

    I thought he’d really screwed up this ban last night when the judge issued the stay order but it seems like it’s a win for him in that he was able to walk back the more extreme position leaving the rest of the EO intact.

    One lesson I’ve learned regarding Trump is not to ridicule what he does, no matter how seemingly stupid, until I have seen how the next few moves play out. It’s going to be an interesting four years.

  197. @whorefinder
    One thing that's never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German. What exactly made him switch allegiances? It would be like if I went to Canada for a new job and suddenly decided to lead Canada on a conquest of the USA and was a proponent of pan-Canadianism.

    More like the other way around – Canada and Austro-Hungary were multi-lingual, multi-ethnic states which do not tend to foster real rah-rah patriotism. Belgium is another such place. I think there have been Canadians who have moved to the US and assumed an identity as American patriots but not so much the other way. Ted Cruz for one.

  198. @Whiskey
    Jerry Seinfeld was the subject of a two minute Intifada, over a punnish tweet regarding Lewis Black guesting on "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee," (which is funny): "Lewis Black's life matters."

    So I'd rather have Jerry Seinfeld on my team than either sitting out or on the other side. Its time for the loudest voices on the Alt-Right to dial down the anti-Semitism. Not only is it wrong, there are plenty and indeed the MAJORITY of Jews on the side of Trump and Bibi globally, (many just don't vote for dudes like McCain any more than the White working class voted for 47 percent Romney), we need that smart fraction of Meme Warriors making fun of Ashley Judd and Madonna. The real enemy is and always has been the Marie Antoinettes, those wealthy White women with more life choices and $500 iphones.

    Bibi has made it a point to support Trumps proposed border wall citing his own. Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler, high functioning alcoholics (by their own comic routines) and carousel riders (if you believe their books and performances) are your enemy. Jerry Seinfeld, married, with a big car collection, and kids is not. He's got skin in the game that aging sluts like Ashley Judd do not.

    As far as Hot Civil War goes, yes its coming. There has been a long, long Cold Civil War, since 1948 and Truman's Desegregation of the Army, between Upper Class Whites seeking moral virtue signaling in the face of collapsing Christianity due to the pill and condom eroding any and all sexual restrictions (on women only). And the White working and middle class on the other side.

    It had been papered over by first Post-War economic growth, then intensifying Cold War confrontation with the Soviets. But since 1989 there has been a struggle between the Marie Antoinettes (let them eat intersesctionality!) and the Jacobins. Trump is not Hitler; he's Napoleon and Wellington combined, a figure desperately trying to put the nation back together in old forms but with working/middle class support. Trump is a Napoleon opposed to War, looking inward, and focused on rebuilding working/middle class income and security.

    OF COURSE the Upper Classes hate hate hate him for this. And scream racism, cry Muslim bans (its a temporary ban to figure out how to exclude ISIS and Jihadis, said ban lasting far less than Obama's 2011 ban). Their innate, organic desire supported by their women and women just under them in class to create a global Aristocracy is threatened.

    “Bibi has made it a point to support Trumps proposed border wall citing his own.”

    And he specifically condemned the very action that Trump is taking now, back when Trump announced it a little over a year ago.

    “Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler, high functioning alcoholics (by their own comic routines) and carousel riders (if you believe their books and performances) are your enemy. Jerry Seinfeld, married, with a big car collection, and kids is not.”

    I’ve never thought Jerry Seinfeld is my enemy.

    Just as I’ve never thought that you were on my side.

  199. @ganderson
    Who was it that said that the true genius of the Austrians was to convince people that Beethoven was an Austrian while Hitler was a German? I'm guessing that Austrians feel more German than, say Canadians feel American. I also think that most Americans don't think of Canadians as 'real' foreigners- they're more like Minnesotans. Come to think of it, socialism? hockey? Maybe Minnesotans are Canadians!

    “Who was it that said that the true genius of the Austrians was to convince people that Beethoven was an Austrian while Hitler was a German? I’m guessing that Austrians feel more German than, say Canadians feel American. I also think that most Americans don’t think of Canadians as ‘real’ foreigners- they’re more like Minnesotans. Come to think of it, socialism? hockey? Maybe Minnesotans are Canadians!”

    So Canadians are not Alaskans?

  200. @Diversity Heretic
    If I recall correctly, Hitler was granted German citizenship as a result of his service in the World War I German Army. He was an Austrian, but didn't like serving in the polyglot Austro-Hungarian Army. He personally petitioned the King of Bavaria to be permitted to serve in a Bavarian infantry regiment, where he served commendably for almost four years on the Western Front, including the Battle of First Ypres. He certainly considered himself German and his return to Vienna after the German-Austrian Anschluss may have been the personal highlight of his life.

    But, yes, making him German was a bad idea.

    Not quite correct, Hitler was only naturalized as a German citizen in 1932 (!), in Brunswick which at that time was already under strong Nazi influence:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einb%C3%BCrgerung_Adolf_Hitlers

  201. @res

    Can’t we just sell the Statue of Liberty on E-bay.
     
    Don't blame the Statue of Liberty for the poem added later. Friendship of France with the US and the US as a beacon demonstrating liberty to the world are both laudable aims IMHO. The torch symbolizes a beacon to illuminate the path to Liberty, not a "Vacancy" sign.

    And Liberty sure has some awfully curious meanings these days.

    “Don’t blame the Statue of Liberty for the poem added later.”

    I don’t blame the house for the termites, but it’s the house that pays the price.

    I’m all for anything that dismantles the poisonous idea of “American Exceptionalism”.

  202. @Steve Sailer
    I'm stealing that on Twitter.

    It seems to me that what many on the alt-right don’t get is that the same Jews who don’t like Trump don’t like Netanyahu either. So calling Trump Literally Netanyahu is not going to make their heads spin – they will nod in agreement that Trump is just one more deplorable.

    And I’m not just talking about BDS self-hating ultra leftist Chomky Jews. There are plenty of American Jews who love Israel but hate Netanyahu, the Israeli fences, the West Bank settlements, etc. The Israel that they like is Tel Aviv which is like the Middle East version of LA. They want the Prime Minister of Israel to be some Israeli version of Obama or Bartlet from the West Wing who is going to make peace with the Palestinians and they don’t give two damns if they have to give back some hilltops where crazy settlers with beards live (not ironic hipster neckbeards but serious religious beards). Of course this is never going to happen again because the Labor Party in Israel is not going to get elected any more than the Democrats are going to take Wyoming. But you can fantasize.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The Israel that they like is Tel Aviv which is like the Middle East version of LA"

    In Tel Aviv the Jews would be the White Gringos while the Palestinians would be the Mexicans. Palestinians and Mexicans both occupy economically lower class groups who believe their land was stolen from them.
  203. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate headline:

    Team Trump Just "All Lives Matter"ed the Holocaust

    The most vocal of The Chosen want y’all to remember: Some lives matter more than others, and to suggest otherwise is beyond the pale.

    If any groups wants to claim the most killed by the Holocaust title Russians have a better argument than Jews. But they never sued Switzerland for their “stolen art.”

  204. @SFG
    Yeah, that's the problem. I'm happy being alt-lite, which is far as you can go even being a halfie. (I don't have the political chops to be the next Stephen Miller or even Mencius Moldbug.)

    I've got no problem calling out people like Lena Dunham or Tim Wise...but I also remember the response to Joshua Seidel, who actually defended the alt-right position on the Forward's website, was 'You do know we would literally kill you, right?'

    I'm one guy with no influence. The best you're going to get is Breitbart. Which, given that one of their boys took the White House, isn't too bad, actually.

    “Yeah, that’s the problem. I’m happy being alt-lite,”

    I am happy being a Western Chauvinist. The West is the best. Out of all the Nonwhite regions on the planet Asia Northeast sucks the least.

    • Replies: @SFG
    1. I agree.

    2. You've got the beginnings of a small poem there.
  205. @Matra
    there were plenty of lefty women in the so-called women’s march who understood that letting in millions of people who are fine with burqas and female genital mutilation is not going to help their cause.

    Yet they wanted virtually open borders Hillary to win. I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left that supports immigration restrictions.

    These women are operating on feelz and have not thought his through at all. Look at Merkel in Germany – forget about playing 4 dimensional chess, she wasn’t even playing 2D checkers.

  206. @Opinionator
    Why is it so important to jews that they be specifically distinguished and that a presidential statement also include reference to "anti-Semitism"?

    By the stridency of their objections, it is almost as if doing so would have some actual influence on the right here and now.

    If a President made a statement on St. Patrick’s Day would you expect him to mention the Irish?

    Holocaust Remembrance Day is the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz (by Soviet troops). 1.1 million people died at Auschwitz of which 960,000 were Jewish. There has been a lot of effort made to universalize the Holocaust for understandable reasons and to mention all the gays, gypsies, etc. who died but the numbers speak for themselves. Auschwitz (and specifically Auschwitz II – Birekenau) was a factory built for exterminating the Jews of Europe. If they ran some other people thru the factory, this was incidental to the main mission.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "There has been a lot of effort made to universalize the Holocaust for understandable reasons and to mention all the gays, gypsies, etc. who died but the numbers speak for themselves. Auschwitz (and specifically Auschwitz II – Birekenau) was a factory built for exterminating the Jews of Europe. If they ran some other people thru the factory, this was incidental to the main mission."

    Gypsies and Homosexuals are not evil Heterosexual White Goys who's lives don't matter, so why is it controversial to mention that Adolf Hitler also hated Gyps and Homos as well? LGBT Lives Matter, accept when it comes to the Holocaust and when Muslims murder them.
  207. @Mike Sylwester
    This post does not make any sense. I urge you to remove it.

    Nobody anywhere has said or implied that any refugees ever demanded entry into Nazi Germany.

    You will be righteously mocked for this post.

    I think they should be calling Trump, “Literally FDR” because FDR is the one who wouldn’t let refugees into the US, but I don’t think the Democrats would like comparing Trump to their hero FDR.

    Trump also wants massive public works projects to get the working class back to work and he is willing to upset the established way of doing things in Washington. So, the more that I think about it, Trump IS FDR.

    Remember the Time magazine cover where Obama was FDR (come to think of it, remember Time magazine – does it still exist?)? Of course that came to nothing but it shows you that FDR is still the hero of the Left. No matter how much Trump is like FDR, they will never admit it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think they should be calling Trump, “Literally FDR” because FDR is the one who wouldn’t let refugees into the US, but I don’t think the Democrats would like comparing Trump to their hero FDR."

    Most Millennials don't know who FDR is. Most of them can not even name who the vice president was for the last 8 years judging by Watters World and Leno's man on the streets segments.
  208. @Jack D
    It seems to me that what many on the alt-right don't get is that the same Jews who don't like Trump don't like Netanyahu either. So calling Trump Literally Netanyahu is not going to make their heads spin - they will nod in agreement that Trump is just one more deplorable.

    And I'm not just talking about BDS self-hating ultra leftist Chomky Jews. There are plenty of American Jews who love Israel but hate Netanyahu, the Israeli fences, the West Bank settlements, etc. The Israel that they like is Tel Aviv which is like the Middle East version of LA. They want the Prime Minister of Israel to be some Israeli version of Obama or Bartlet from the West Wing who is going to make peace with the Palestinians and they don't give two damns if they have to give back some hilltops where crazy settlers with beards live (not ironic hipster neckbeards but serious religious beards). Of course this is never going to happen again because the Labor Party in Israel is not going to get elected any more than the Democrats are going to take Wyoming. But you can fantasize.

    “The Israel that they like is Tel Aviv which is like the Middle East version of LA”

    In Tel Aviv the Jews would be the White Gringos while the Palestinians would be the Mexicans. Palestinians and Mexicans both occupy economically lower class groups who believe their land was stolen from them.

  209. @Jack D
    If a President made a statement on St. Patrick's Day would you expect him to mention the Irish?

    Holocaust Remembrance Day is the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz (by Soviet troops). 1.1 million people died at Auschwitz of which 960,000 were Jewish. There has been a lot of effort made to universalize the Holocaust for understandable reasons and to mention all the gays, gypsies, etc. who died but the numbers speak for themselves. Auschwitz (and specifically Auschwitz II - Birekenau) was a factory built for exterminating the Jews of Europe. If they ran some other people thru the factory, this was incidental to the main mission.

    “There has been a lot of effort made to universalize the Holocaust for understandable reasons and to mention all the gays, gypsies, etc. who died but the numbers speak for themselves. Auschwitz (and specifically Auschwitz II – Birekenau) was a factory built for exterminating the Jews of Europe. If they ran some other people thru the factory, this was incidental to the main mission.”

    Gypsies and Homosexuals are not evil Heterosexual White Goys who’s lives don’t matter, so why is it controversial to mention that Adolf Hitler also hated Gyps and Homos as well? LGBT Lives Matter, accept when it comes to the Holocaust and when Muslims murder them.

  210. @Jack D
    I think they should be calling Trump, "Literally FDR" because FDR is the one who wouldn't let refugees into the US, but I don't think the Democrats would like comparing Trump to their hero FDR.

    Trump also wants massive public works projects to get the working class back to work and he is willing to upset the established way of doing things in Washington. So, the more that I think about it, Trump IS FDR.

    Remember the Time magazine cover where Obama was FDR (come to think of it, remember Time magazine - does it still exist?)? Of course that came to nothing but it shows you that FDR is still the hero of the Left. No matter how much Trump is like FDR, they will never admit it.

    “I think they should be calling Trump, “Literally FDR” because FDR is the one who wouldn’t let refugees into the US, but I don’t think the Democrats would like comparing Trump to their hero FDR.”

    Most Millennials don’t know who FDR is. Most of them can not even name who the vice president was for the last 8 years judging by Watters World and Leno’s man on the streets segments.

  211. @Jefferson
    "That’s not exactly true. The Left is so anti-Russia right now that I could see it attacking Stalin on the basis of him being almost-Russian."

    That is exactly true. How come the Left does not compare Donald J. Trump to Joseph Stalin. Why is Adolf Hitler always the default comparison? Why is Stalin chopped liver on the Left?

    Hitler is the go-to because he was in the Right Gang. Stalin they stay away from because he was in the Left Gang. But there are “intersectionalities” to consider, and whom you can and can’t demonize changes over time.

    Stalin is not now what he was to the left in the 30s. Neither is he Hitler. But right now Ukraine is up and Russia way, way down, to the point where Hollywood feels comfortable releasing an anti-Stalin movie, despite his strong lefty credentials. (And despite the fact that he wasn’t actually Russian.)

    He’ll never, ever be Hitler, but he is now touchable.

  212. @whorefinder
    One thing that's never been all that clear to me is how Hitler the Austrian became Hitler the Uber-German. What exactly made him switch allegiances? It would be like if I went to Canada for a new job and suddenly decided to lead Canada on a conquest of the USA and was a proponent of pan-Canadianism.

    There are a lot of angles to this, but the main point is to note the age-old difference between states and nations. For Hitler, the two states he confronted called “Germany,” the Wilhelmite Empire and the Weimar Republic, were not the German nation. He considered all ethnic Germans, including ones in Austria and elsewhere, one people who deserved their own ethno-state.

    The Austrian Empire he considered a mongrel nation, and preferred fighting for, living in, and ultimately ruling Germany-proper. But he wasn’t a patriot of that state, in particular. He was an interloper bent on changing it. It was just better than the states surrounding it, is all.

    As for your Canadian analogy, it fails. Canada is a multi-ethnic state, just like the U.S. There is no pan-Canadianism, because no such thing would make sense. Now, if some ethnic Englishman wanted to unite the U.S., Canada, and the U.K., thereby reviving the old British Empire, to be run by and for Englishmen, that would be somewhat Hitlerian.

  213. @Jefferson
    "Yeah, that’s the problem. I’m happy being alt-lite,"

    I am happy being a Western Chauvinist. The West is the best. Out of all the Nonwhite regions on the planet Asia Northeast sucks the least.

    1. I agree.

    2. You’ve got the beginnings of a small poem there.

  214. most people on earth want “strong” rule from their own kind. If they are ruled by “others” they want govt to be as weak as possible.

    Fundamental problem with diversity; how to square that circle? US Govt solution; make all groups equal and non dominant through immigration, law, economics, media, etc.

    Problem created; no central strength mean devolution of political, economic, etc power. Instead of one strong ruler, you have many, one for each group, who then fight each other.

    Result; civil war.

  215. @Jonathan Mason
    There is too much that is not known about the underlying thinking beneath this executive order (assuming that there is rational thinking at the bottom of it). We don't know exactly why these seven countries were included and others excluded, or whether there are plans to add other nations in short order. Or whether the threat of addition to the list will be used to gain leverage over those countries that are not currently on the list, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan being obvious cases.

    The restrictions on the travel of 'dual citizens' are particularly mystifying, as it is not clear what the reasons are, or how dual citizenship is defined. For example Mo(hamed) Farah, 4-times Olympic gold medalist in the 5000 and 10000 meters foot races is a UK citizen who lives with his family in Oregon, but is currently training at altitude in Ethiopia. As he was born in Somalia, it is possible that he will not be allowed to rejoin his family.

    My father, who is a UK citizen, was born in Egypt 92 years ago when his father was the UK consul in Alexandria. If Egypt is added to the "list", will he be banned from visiting the US again on grounds of eligibility for dual citizenship?

    One can come up with 'what if' examples ad infinitum.

    It could be that demands to the governments concerned will follow requiring certain actions to deter terrorist and/or Islamic extremist organizations in their territory, or support for extremist Islamic groups, before US travel rights are restored to their citizens.

    It seems to me that the mainstream media, in their usual chicken-with-its-head-cut-off manner, are failing to ask the right questions about what this is really all about.

    I think we do know why those countries were picked. Syria because Syria, and the rest because the administration went off a list prepared by the previous administration. That’s so that they could throw Obama in people’s faces when the MSM calls them on it. I think that was clever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hasn't stopped our official authorized media from getting in ahead and claiming they were chosen because Trump doesn't have business ties to them.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/01/28/511996783/how-does-trumps-immigration-freeze-square-with-his-business-interests
  216. It now seems that the ban is only supposed to apply to people traveling directly from the offending countries, or at least with itineraries originating in them, and does not apply to people with dual citizenship of other countries where they live, or to people with Green Cards.

    Of course dual citizens of Iraq and Iran are going to be right out of luck.

    So don’t be surprised if a few top officials at Homeland Security find themselves reassigned to breaking stones for the Great Wall of Mexico.

  217. Green Card holders trying to return home upset about being blocked at airports. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  218. 94 anon, you write about the treatment of humans in the quote below.

    “What too many people leave out when complaining about the treatment of the Jews before and during WWII was that the Jews were generally despised around the world at the time. It’s one thing to claim being a political scapegoat if simply one host country is rejecting you, but if the entire world objects to your general presence, the “scapegoat” theory becomes ridiculous, and one should try to consider other, more concrete and historically verifiable reasons for worldwide disdain.”

    Do you believe that rejection may excuse murder of a people, if Jew or non-Jew, anyone?
    What reasons do you consider for such disdain?
    Were Turks justified against Armenia?
    Is any genocide justified?

  219. @Mike Sylwester

    Let me explain this to you…the left simultaneously claims:

    1) Trump is “literally Hitler” … or at least, a very close analog.

    2) Refugees must be let into the country where Trump is the leader.
     

    That is not apparent from this:

    “Let Them In” is the constant chant of the demonstrators at JFK Airport in NY City as the protest is live-streamed this Saturday evening. “This is the 1930s all over again.” said one interviewed protester with reference to refugees from Nazi Germany.
     
    This is a foolish post.

    This is a foolish post.

    Self-criticism is good for the soul. Perhaps it will help you avoid making the same mistake in the future.

  220. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    I think we do know why those countries were picked. Syria because Syria, and the rest because the administration went off a list prepared by the previous administration. That's so that they could throw Obama in people's faces when the MSM calls them on it. I think that was clever.

    Hasn’t stopped our official authorized media from getting in ahead and claiming they were chosen because Trump doesn’t have business ties to them.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/01/28/511996783/how-does-trumps-immigration-freeze-square-with-his-business-interests

  221. @snorlax
    A left-winger would say that Mickey Kaus is a far-right extremist white nationalist hate group Neo-Nazi.

    “A left-winger would say that Mickey Kaus is a far-right extremist white nationalist hate group Neo-Nazi.”

    If not now, then soon. But that’s pretty much how pro-life Democrats came to be regarded, too.

  222. @Luke
    I think they're referring to the ship St. Louis which had 900-odd Jewish refugees from Germany on it and were turned away by the US-but they were not made to go back to Germany. Great Britain Belgium France and Holland took them

    Only the ones in Great Britain were safe.

    More to the point: the current situation doesn’t resemble Germany of 1930s.

    Syria is fractured, and there are no moderate rebels. Assad was not threatening anyone with genocide before the whole thing started. He was weak tea compared to Saddam.

    A lot of the “refugees” are economic migrants. Their countries suck so I can see their motive. But genocide in their home countries? No. Where has this been threatened? Nowhere.

    The oil states have financed the rebels all the way up to ISIS in Syria. Let them take the Muslims. We’ll take the Christians. Up to now, they have taken ZERO. They’re laughing at us for falling for the ploy.

  223. @Travis
    Iran is threatening to retaliate...Iran refuses to accept Syrian refugees despite sharing the same Shia muslim faith as the majority of the refugees who are persecuted by the Sunni lead ISIS rebels. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die in order to forge a pure form of Islam. They are a wealthy oil nation, but unwilling to accept fellow muslim refugees.

    Iran refuses to accept Syrian refugees…

    Because they are already chock full of ethnic and religious tension. And people. They are chock full of people, as is most of the world.

    It looks like everyplace will soon be completely full of people and their tensions; migration and immigration will then cease to be a concern.

  224. @HA
    "I see little evidence to suggest that there is an influential faction within the left"

    Mickey Kaus? Pre-election Bernie Sanders "immigration=KochBros"?

    If you've read some of the comment sections of the NYTimes over the last few weeks, the editors have on numerous occasions given up their ham-fisted approach to censoring away the badthink. Or else, check out any comment section on any article the recent burqa/burkini bans. You'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, that could all be an orchestrated manouvre by the alt-right to plant fake leftists in among the sheeple, but I doubt it.

    Pre-election Bernie Sanders “immigration=KochBros”?

    And look how quickly that went away. Sanders is out there denouncing the travel ban; I recall that he became an immigration booster at the end of his campaign.

    “You will be assimilated.”

  225. @guest
    Famine wasn't randomly spread across the Soviet Union. Certain areas were targeted for their recalcitrance, including various discreet nationalities. I don't know whether it was worse in Ukraine than elsewhere, but the story there is extra-vivid because they were the "breadbasket" of the empire.

    Stalin was -exporting- grain while people were starving in the Ukraine. The collectivization of farms was also intended to break the back of Ukrainian society by persecuting “kulaks”. Read Robert Conquest’s Harvest of Sorrow. Truly eye opening.

    https://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Sorrow-Soviet-Collectivization-Terror-Famine/dp/0195051807

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