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The further we get into the 21st Century,

the more we are lectured about the increasingly distant past.

 
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  1. BenKenobi says:

    I knew you were TD.

  2. Whether it be Adam Ruins Everything, Vox, or MSNBC– don’t you get a bit tired of being lectured by effeminate liberal men? I do.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  3. Note the clash between the orthogonal squares on his shirt and the diagonal diamonds on his necktie. (A Croatian invention!)

    The juxtaposition is jarring, even swasticoid.

  4. Tom-in-VA says:

    Adam has an extremely punchable face. Also, nobody mentions—or gives a damn—that working class white neighborhoods were also redlined.

  5. My daughter was mentioning to me earlier today that CNN reported that the government is “reopening” the Emmett Till case.

    She said “I don’t see the point in reopening it. Both the guys accused are dead, he’s dead, the woman involved is dead, everybody’s dead. What exactly are they going to manage by reopening it? Will they convict dead guys?”

    I explained to her that there simply isn’t enough actual oppression for them to use to stir up animus, so they increasingly have to pretend we’re still living in the Jim Crow era.

    This is more of the same.

  6. Barnard says:
    @DFH

    Do any hipsters actually watch this stuff? I know these shows don’t need much in the way of ratings to keep going, but who considers this authoritative?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Romanian
  7. gregor says:

    Oh no, they’re catching on to our brilliant scheme to get rich off of blacks. It was good while it lasted. Ah, those halcyon days where a white man could make out like a bandit by hastily selling his urban home as the neighborhood rapidly deteriorated and then turn around and have to outbid other white refugees on a house in a non-vibrant neighborhood an hour and half from work.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  8. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster

    Your daughter is more aware and alert than every single female relative I have, and most of the male ones too. Congrats–seriously.

  9. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard

    Do any hipsters actually watch this stuff? I know these shows don’t need much in the way of ratings to keep going, but who considers this authoritative?

    Wow…I get the feeling you don’t know many young people. They lap it up like mother’s milk. Even (or especially) the ones who consider themselves skeptics–they lap it up. Uncritically, unthinking, unknowing. How many of them do you think visit unz.com or any similar sites? I’ll tell you: Dozens!

    • Replies: @Barnard
  10. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, against my better judgement I viewed a couple minutes of that tripe. The SJW of color was saying “We can’t close our eyes to this history!” I’ve one question: How can we close our eyes to something that we’ve had rubbed in our face every single day of our lives? How’s that supposed to work?

    Let me guess–you want more of other people’s money.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  11. Hibernian says:
    @Cloudbuster

    I think they’re going after some black guys who allegedly helped the white guys find Till, almost certainly under extreme duress and certainly very elderly, the ones still alive. Started under Obama and probably continuing due to inertia, and carried on by oh so wonderful “career” employees.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  12. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    SMH at all the racism here and in the USA as a whole. I mean, it’s so bad here that

    ‘More Africans Entered US in Last Decade than During 300 Years of Slave Trade’ (NYT)

    Kim Nichols, an executive director of the African Services Committee, told the Times that African immigrants have “been doubling every 10 years since 1980.”

  13. Since they’re trying to complete the gentrification of the inner cities, they have to have someplace suitably far away to move all the blacks. Using section-8 vouchers (or the equivalent), they will move them all into the crumbling, first-tier suburbs founded back in the sixties, when hordes of terrified lower-middle-class whites fled the growing anarchy in the newly desegregated downtowns of America. And if those whites now dare complain about their present neighborhoods turning into the same type of warzones their ancestors fled back then, they will be dismissed as racists for living in red-lined suburban paradises who are finally getting their ‘just’ deserts.

    And so another cycle commences …

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    , @FPD72
  14. @Hibernian

    “Under duress” my ass. They knew what kind of snake he was.

  15. @Tom-in-VA

    Tom-in-VA’s comment should be more amplified.

    It is critical for our future as white Americans to acknowledge that suburbs and exurbs, as practiced since the New Deal, are indeed stupid. We just need to acknowledge the real reasons for their historical existence.

    1) Social engineering against whites, especially politically conservative (albeit Democrat) Catholics. The traditionalist Catholic writer E. Michael Jones has written books about this “ethnic cleansing of cities.” He is extreme, but not entirely wrong here. Robert Moses, a Jew, certainly seemed to have a grudge against Catholics and “WASPs.”
    2) Tied in with the destruction of solid urban communities, the destruction of solid rural communities.
    3) Property taxes! Property taxes, which here in PA go to schools filled with homosexual propaganda, encourage bad use of rural *and* urban land.
    4) FDR, whose administration was filled with Soviet spies (including, crucially, the treasury), started the Federal Housing Authority, which was a key part of our ….
    5) ….Modern fiat currency, speculative economy, which builds houses to a glut.
    6) Highway subsidies. The federal government (and certain state govts like NY) subsidized highways. Meanwhile, for years after WW2, it penalized private railroads by refusing to let them cut unprofitable lines and do other things to modernize.

    The suburb was a creation of the liberal agenda for the purpose of destroying vestiges of tradition in America. And, boy, did it ever work!

    More Americans should read Jane Jacobs – a prophetess of urban destruction – and Wendell Berry – a voice of rural tradition. The suburb is a partly purposeful assault on rural and urban working class cultures.

    P.S. I also recommend that everyone read this, to understand the different types of suburban “development.” http://www.theamericanconservative.com/urbs/theres-no-such-thing-as-suburbia/

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Prester John
  16. These losers are stuck in the past.

    But they will still demand not only an invitation, but a high status position in the new future we’ve been building without them.

    Blogger (and quality Steve commenter) The Z Man made a point in his podcast about identity politics about negative identity vs positive identity.

    The “coalition of the ascendant” is entirely based in negative identity. It defines itsself solely in terms of what it claims not to be. It is also entirely backward looking.

    The increasing White identity is positive and forward-looking. The American right under Trump is also. Recall his first SOTU – looking ahead to the tricentennial, and frequently the theme of what future will our country have.

    The DSA types are the only ones on the left approaching a positive, forward-looking vision: socialism. The election of that unfortunate looking 27 year old DSA Latinx thot has been the big news story but actually DSA candidates have mostly gotten BTFO by democratic deep state candidates. The Dems position will continue to be negative and backward looking.

    Look at the videos of who was harassing Cocaine Mitch McConnell. Landwhale old women. Look at videos of PP, proud boys, Charlottesville night torch rally. The Dems cheered for Peter Strozk. I mean come on.

    If we get 8 years of President Trump, I believe it’s possible for us to steamroll these sad sacks right into the dustbins of history. Which seems to be where they are determined to live anyway

    • Replies: @Logan
  17. Tulip says:

    Its unfortunate the focus on the past, while America is over-run by Russian trolls and reactionary, white supremacist saboteurs attempting to destroy the People’s Revolutionary Vanguard and take us back to the Middle Ages.

  18. Paul says:

    If the neighborhood is “too white,” have the courage of your convictions, and move to the south side of Chicago. That will be the day. lol

  19. Romanian says: • Website
    @Barnard

    You would be surprised. Even in my country, a lot of people follow Colbert and Oliver and this Adam guy not for entertainment or whatever, but as an actual source of information and posturing. It irks me to no end when I am presented with an appeal to the authority of the Adam ruins everything guy.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  20. Arclight says:

    Doesn’t this redlining theory of everything overlook a) the percentage of blacks during that era who had enough money for a down payment was pretty low, and b) in the last 50 years through white flight and federally-insured loans there have been abundant opportunities for blacks to buy prime urban real estate at cheap prices?

    Ms. NYT also omits the fact that blacks with similar credit histories/incomes are still more likely to get a higher interest rate than whites because they are more likely to fall behind or default on their payments. Bankers aren’t out to discriminate, they are trying to estimate risk based on millions of past loan transactions.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Anonymous
  21. Anon[387] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve noticed that, contrary to the show title, Adam does not ruin everything. He only ruins traditional beliefs. He would never ruin Blank Slatism, or Transgender Equality.

  22. @gregor

    This was actually a plan, not just accident. From HUD, under Bill Clinton, we have the following document:

    https://www.huduser.gov/publications/pdf/def.pdf

    Excerpts:

    The New York City region is a very dense area. The HUD regional Office in New York City, therefore, had very little history of building anything but highrises and walkups. The notion that we would be propos­ing the construction of row houses in Yonkers was an anathema to them.

    The plaintiffs in the case, the Justice Department and the Yonkers chapter of the NAACP, also had problems with our decision to limit ourselves to row houses. The Justice Department attorney in the case wanted to put 200 units in 2 highrise towers on the largest site. Her idea was to make these an equal mix of public housing, moderate-income, and market-rate units. That site would then serve 67 public housing units. I pointed out to the plaintiffs that the history of such mixed-income developments (particularly in Yonkers) was that they became fully occupied by low-income families in a short period of time. This is because it is difficult to keep market-rate tenants living among public housing residents when they have other options. When management is then unable to attract new market-rate tenants to replace the old, they have no option but to accept low-income tenants with Section 8 cer­tificates (Section 8 is HUD’s rent subsidy program) to fill the vacant units.

    The end result would be a 200-unit low-income, highrise project located within a middle-income community composed of single-family houses. This would virtually guarantee destabilization. …

    The attorney for the Justice Department said that my argument was falla­ cious: The issue was not the nature of the host community but the exclu­ sion of public housing residents from an area that should have been open to them. The NAACP attorney said that my arguments reflected the racist attitudes of Yonkers residents—attitudes that had produced the case in the first place. He, for one, had no problem with the entire 200 units turning into a low-income project, and if the surrounding community then wished to leave, so be it.

    Some Housing projects were designed to foster dysfunction and convert white neighborhoods with good housing to areas where blacks would take over. Because of the design of the projects in Yonkers, this did not happen.

  23. @Arclight

    See my comment below:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/redlining-the-most-relevant-topic-of-2018-2/#comment-2414561

    The white flight was often engineered, and often by the government through its destruction of black areas through slum clearance. The most destructive example is Detroit, where the black neighborhood, black bottom, was destroyed and replaced with Mies van der Rohe townhouses. The blacks, with no affordable housing options, moved into white working class neighborhoods, destabilizing those. This was done at the behest of the Republican Protestant mayors of the 1950s, who might have been using blacks as a weapon against white democrats.

    Motown was the result of the black neighborhood’s support for local talent. After the flourishing in the late 60s, you did not get the same cultural side effect. The blacks have a legitimate grievance.

    The whites, too. Where is the money to be given to the whites whose equity was destroyed as an indirect result of government action?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @MBlanc46
  24. anarchyst says:
    @Cloudbuster

    The story of Emmett Till is paraded around as an example of “racism” and “discrimination” in “Jim Crow” America.
    The TRUE story begs to be told as Emmett Till did not “merely whistle” at a white woman, but fondled and manhandled a married white woman at the behest of his friends.
    Emmett Till used to brag about “getting it on” with white women. This might not have had much of an effect in Chicago (where he came from), but in the deep South, his actions had profound implications both for him and the community he was living in.
    Of course, it was wrong to kill him, BUT Till contributed to his own demise by refusing to apologize for his misbehavior.
    A 14-year-old is mature enough to know that going around grabbing and fondling women is wrong and socially unacceptable, especially white women in the South.
    It might interest some to know that Emmett Till’s father was executed by the U S military for multiple rapes.
    Maybe “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”…
    In a perverse way, the people who killed Emmett Till might have done society a favor. Who knows what crimes a live Emmett Till would have committed in the future had he lived?
    Emmett Till was the previous generation’s Trayvon Martin…

  25. anarchyst says:
    @anarchyst

    The lady in question was 5 ft tall with large breasts, which Till had been talking about in crude terms with his cousins outside after they had been in earlier. He towered over her. She told an FBI agent that she’d thought Till was an adult male, not a boy. Till had come back in and went behind the counter, blocked her way grabbed her wrist and held her around the waist and simulated sex. His cousins, who had dared him to go back in and prove his boasts on what he got up to with white girls in Chicago were not present during the incident, but an old black came out quickly and told them “You’ve got a crazy cousin”.

    The woman then went to her car, which the boys correctly suspected was her going to retreive a gun. Till and his cousins were advised to leave immediately, but he leaned out the car and loudly called her baby. She tried to keep it a secret, but lots of people had heard the shout of Till.

    Till’s behaviour towards a married woman would have been risking a severe beating in any black area. He looked like a man, and acted like a jackass. He was also too tough for his own good because the husband and brother of the woman had been told of the incident by local blacks a few day later (almost uniformly they disliked the arrogant Till). He was in line for a severe beating, what the men agreed on would be a fitting punishment but they couldn’t breack him and he refused to apologise or even admit he was in the wrong, and that failure to be contrite when it was called for is what got him killed.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  26. bomag says:

    Yeah, I caught an NPR piece this morning which breathlessly went on about racism, rehashing the Philly Starbucks story and some other stock items.

    It seems one can hear these stories and think that Whites are irredeemably evil; or one can think that maybe Blacks aren’t all that great, and are best avoided.

    Also, the featured video; with its smarmy arrogance; comes off as a bit of a brag: “look at Whites; wielding the power to impoverish and segregate Blacks. Bwahahaha!”.

  27. Barnard says:
    @Anonymous

    This particular episode had about 350,000 viewers according to Wikipedia. I know a few and I have never heard anyone cite this show. Perhaps I didn’t phrase my question well, but does this have any impact on those who are not already committed progressives? Most obviously don’t care enough to watch it.

  28. Pat Boyle says:
    @Cloudbuster

    I used to watch that Reality TV show about the real police and the real criminals. It was called “48 Hours”. Almost all of the criminals were murderers and almost all the perpetrators and victims were black. Till was murdered 63 years ago. There have been maybe half a million murders in America since then.

    Why so much attention on this one?

    The standard “48 Hours” murder is usually the result of some dispute over gambling or women. Till was killed by an irate husband who was told that young Till bothered the man’s wife. This is not a very unique kind of motive. I only watched the show a few times but I’m sure more faithful viewers would have seen several similar incidents. Some who read this blog are probably police. They too will probably remember similar disputes that ended in violence.

    I don’t think husbands should kill men or boys who insult their wives but it’s not a particularly uncommon occurrence. Something similar probably happened in Chicago last week. The only difference is that in the Till case he wife and husband were white.

    Continuing to dwell on this single sixty year old act of passion strikes me as just anti-white racism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. Redlining actually hurt the property owners within the redlined areas…these were mostly whites. My grandfather owned property in a redlined area, which depressed the value of his property.

    • Replies: @Travis
  30. @Romanian

    It can’t be said often enough how much of the worldview of Western youth (and even not-so-youthful) revolves around the half-baked mentality of post-9PM television writers.

    Colbert, Oliver, Adam-ruins, Jon Stewart emeritus, Sex in the City, etc. command legions of mental zombies in the Culture Wars.

    Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, etc. are not leaders but merely prominent followers who happen to have their hands on some important levers.

  31. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous

    Pretty much my general observation about programming on PBS: It’s either the 1960s Jim Crow or the 1860s Civil War to end slavery. After that, it programming about the Kennedy’s and FDR.

    As you say, not only rubbed in out face every day, but exists as if no other history matters.

    • Replies: @Logan
  32. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Good points. You mention Robert Moses. There’s the story that he deliberately low-bridged the overpasses crossing the highways in Long Island for the purposes of keeping buses transporting the riff-raff from NYC into what was then considered the bucolic burbs. He didn’t succeed, however. Check out Brentwood LI, for example. The headquarters of the LI chapter of MS 13,

    • Replies: @njguy73
  33. Ayatollah says:
    @anarchyst

    Anarchyst, can you refer me to something that supports what you’re talking about? I’ve heard your argument before but when I tried to look up info about it I couldn’t find any evidence for that theory. Instead I’ve read that the woman who was the supposed victim of Emmett Till admit later in life shortly before she died that Emmett Till really didn’t do anything at all to her and she felt terrible about her husband brutally murdering him.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  34. Anon[680] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom-in-VA

    I was going to say the same thing! (Actually I was going to say “the most twattable cunt in human history” but same thing.)

    Glad it’s not just me.

  35. I can’t watch that and not think that the theory that liberalism is a mental disorder might have some merit. It’s also difficult as a non-American to watch that faggy unctuous twat and not vomit.

  36. Bleuteaux says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    The extent to which the Obama administration pushed this for eight years is maybe the most underreported story of the new century. You have to live and commute through small town Midwest to see it with your own eyes.

  37. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    The “similar credit histories” bit is somewhere between a canard and an outright lie. It’s been addressed at length in this very forum.

  38. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle

    It’s also telling that this is almost all they have. Dozens of lynchings (some surely earned) are the continual focus. Millions of (completely innocent) white people raped and/or murdered by blacks? You must be racist even to think about it.

  39. Perhaps they need to come out with a similar game called Detroit or Baltimore where whites build up a city and then it is invaded and torn down by black invaders. The last whitey left or first place is tortured and killed. Second place they are just beaten and robbed.

  40. anarchyst says:
    @Ayatollah

    The woman blamed herself for Till’s death so she recanted her story on her deathbed despite other witnesses being there and verifying that Till DID fondle her.
    I wish I could find the LOOK magazine article…I had it and posted it once and then it disappeared. Maybe you can help find it. Regards,

    • Replies: @res
  41. anarchyst says:
    @TomSchmidt

    I grew up in Detroit, and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit’s decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. “Blockbusting” by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: “A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx”. A “new family” was a euphemism for black families, and was used to “encourage” whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to “buy up” and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, “shacks” were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at “bargain basement” prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words “soul brother” was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the “angels of death” (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit’s first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit’s white citizens while “getting along just fine” with the “movers and shakers” (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)….
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young’s predecessor and was quite successful in “cleaning up the streets” of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as “decoys”. Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to “the great hereafter”. One of Young’s campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of “his people” were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city’s demise.
    P. S. A local university (Wayne State University) has an extensive database on the causes of Detroit’s destruction but NEVER mentions the topics and reasons that I have stated. Sorta tells you something. Their premise (and blame for) Detroit’s demise is placed squarely on whites–not the blacks (and jews) who destroyed this once-great city.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @TomSchmidt
  42. ChrisZ says:

    This is OT, but relevant to the general topic of culture war.

    Last night I saw the new Marvel film “Ant-Man and the Wasp,” which was a fun romp but also had some very heterodox features that readers here might find interesting, and even encouraging.

    > The film’s prominent theme revolves around the enduring, elevating, self-sacrificing nature of heterosexual marital love and its fruit in children.

    > A scene where a male character is “possessed” by the mind of a female is played for laughs, with no hint that effeminacy in a man might be a laudible quality. (The point is especially noteworthy because the film is set in San Francisco.)

    > A black scientist character, ostensibly set up as the figure who will provide a solution unavailable to the main (white) scientist characters, turns out instead to be an antagonist who acts out of long-held, long-past resentments. This character is called at one point “a mediocrity” without an original idea in his scientific career, and that charge is not disputed elsewhere in the film. In fact, he’s shown to be an incompetant in the field of super science, who relies on the white lead characters to solve the problems he (the black scientist) has promised but failed to solve.

    > The main “super-villain” is a mixed-race woman with a European accent, daughter of a rival white scientist who is labeled a traitor (and is likewise shown in a flashback to be lethally incompetant), whose entire motivation is to steal the technology that the main characters have invented, and use it to her own benefit–even if it spells distaster for others. Despite her selfishness, she’s cured of her affliction by a white scientist she had previously endangered.

    > An Asian FBI agent is depicted as a prissy stick-in-the-mud who is consistently outwitted by the main characters. He harrasses Ant-Man’s civilian identity by invading his home; the latter is living under house arrest for the “crime” of loyalty to [Captain] America.

    > The film features a trio of “good-guy” ethnics (Hispanic, Russian, and Black) portrayed as 1970s-vintage stereotypes that would be at home on “Welcome Back, Kotter.” An opposing group of bad-guy ethnics includes what look like Russian and Hispanic gangsters, and a sinister East Indian. (In the film’s rare concession to elite biases, the evil ethnic gang is led by a white southern guy.)

    Maybe I’ve been spending too much time on iSteve, but the above character and plot points spoke to me as “coded” references to topics routinely under discussion here. It all strikes me as the very opposite of this year’s earlier Marvel opus, “Black Panther,” which was a hot topic in this forum five months ago. But then again, what should one expect from a movie that proudly includes the word “WASP” in its title? I’m curious what to know what others here think.

  43. @Cloudbuster

    “… the government is ‘reopening’ the Emmett Till case.”

    Because we must be constantly reminded of the inherent evil in Ice People, and of the innate nobility and virtue of the African. Courtesy of the Trump Department of Justice (more specific: the racialist agents implanted within DOJ by Eric Holder and the black woman that replaced him).

  44. @anarchyst

    Where is #MeToo in this case?

  45. Logan says:
    @27 year old

    The “coalition of the ascendant” is entirely based in negative identity. It defines itsself solely in terms of what it claims not to be.

    I’ve always thought the People of Color meme was hilarious. It defines the most important group in American by what they are not, which is white. So if someone walks up to one of them and asks her to define herself, she should say. “I’m not white.”

    Wow. It’s as if men considered their most important characteristic, the one they define themselves by as, “I’m not female.”

    Doesn’t anybody else see the spectacular dysfunction on display here?

  46. @anarchyst

    Have you read E Michael Jones’ Slaughter Of Cities? I used to see things through a black-white lens. I am familiar with blockbusting, as it was done in neighborhoods of my forbears.

    Jones, a pissed off Irishman from Philly, spells out Boston, Philly, and Detroit as examples of what Derbyshire calls the “cold civil war.” Philly’s Republican, Quaker whites were in this sense like the Republican mayors of Detroit in the 1950s, with no desire to lose control of their cities to the political power of Catholic urban Democrats. In both cities, “Urban renewal” in black areas led to the destruction of more housing than was replaced with public housing projects, setting off a process of progressive neighborhood destabilization and destruction.

    Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. Yes,Coleman Young (a Catholic, interestingly enough) was a disaster, using Poletown to let GM build an unneeded plant and get rid of ethnic whites. But the real struggle is between two classes of whites, one which may not have known it was being targeted by other whites because they could blame blacks. But that war has broken out into the openwith Donald Trump and the Deplorables.

    Thanks for the insider’s view of what happened.

  47. @anarchyst

    Do you have a link on point #2? I’ve never heard or read that and would like some background. Thanks.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  48. Logan says:
    @Forbes

    Oliver Cromwell famously insisted his portraitist paint him as God made him, “warts and all,” or he wouldn’t be paid.

    https://www.ucanews.com/news/warts-and-all/71386

    American history, at least as taught in schools and portrayed in popular media, prior to the 60s and for some time thereafter, varying by location, was “American history without warts.” It was often jingoistic and triumphalist. IOW, inaccurate.

    Since the 60s we have increasingly had our history presented as being “warts only.” We, alone of all peoples in history, have nothing at all positive or redeemable about about past.

    All I ask, with Ollie, is that our history be presented “warts and all.” I believe that honestly portraying the good and the bad of our past allows people to decide America has net/net been of enormous benefit to humanity.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  49. @Logan

    “It was often jingoistic and triumphalist“

    No it really wasn’t.

    Give it up – they’re not interested in meeting you halfway. They want to (continue to) dispossess you by any means necessary.

  50. njguy73 says:
    @Prester John

    And if there’s anyone Brooklyn should hate for the Dodgers moving, it’s Moses and not Walter O’Malley.

    O’Malley tried to raise money and get the political backing to build a new ballpark elsewhere in Brooklyn. The one person whose backing he needed was Robert Moses, a powerful figure who influenced development in New York through the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. O’Malley envisioned a domed stadium near the Long Island Rail Road station on Brooklyn’s west end, and even invited R. Buckminster Fuller to design the structure; Fuller, in conjunction with graduate students from Princeton University, constructed a model of the “Dodgers’ Dome”. Moses did not like O’Malley and derided O’Malley’s pro-Brooklyn and pro-Irish sentiments in the press. O’Malley wanted to build a new Brooklyn Dodgers stadium at Flatbush and Atlantic Avenue, but Moses wanted the Dodgers to move to Queens and play in Flushing Meadows Park (the location where the New York Mets play today). Although O’Malley lined up bipartisan political support including New York Governor W. Averell Harriman, Moses blocked the sale of the land necessary for the planned new Brooklyn stadium.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_O%27Malley#Move_to_Los_Angeles

  51. anarchyst says:
    @TomSchmidt

    I do not have a link to #2 but I did live through it. It was common knowledge that HUD was buying up the nicest homes on each block in designated areas and then razing them. At the time, I personally talked to many people, from the “investigators” and HUD personnel to the razing crews and they all pretty much told me the same thing. The government (HUD) was buying the houses to depress property values and make way for “urban renewal”. This was especially rampant throughout the Johnson administration…
    Regards,

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  52. @anarchyst

    Huh. Must be evidence in HUD budgets of the time. It would make a useful contribution as a research article. I’m sure Unz would publish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. MBlanc46 says:
    @TomSchmidt

    That Mies project is great. It would almost be worth living in Detroit in order to live in it.

  54. MBlanc46 says:
    @anarchyst

    There’s no way the Emmett Till as Martyr myth will ever be dispelled, but it’s worth putting out the facts whenever possible.

  55. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Urban Myth, woven from a few misinterpreted examples.

  56. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    A video link from “I can’t skim videos” Steve.

  57. Travis says:
    @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro

    true, Redlining hurt the white property owners, resulting in a decreased value of their real estate holdings.

    My Great grandfather bought his 3,000 foot brownstone in Philadelphia, Powelton Village, in 1912 when it was 100% white. His neighborhood was redlined and when he passed away in 1959 my grandfather inherited the property which was worth less than what his father had paid for it…he sold it in 1959 for $9,00 bought a home in the suburbs for $18,000.

    today Powelton Village has gentrified and the building recently sold for $750,000 while the home he bought in the suburbs was sold last year for $195,000 (because Upper Darby is now 30% Black) Thus the redlined area was a much better investment than buying in the non-redlined area.

  58. Per Thomas Sowell, no one has ever proven the existence of redlining practices among US home lenders. The concept of redlining is an (((academic))) theory.
    Also, why are whites being blamed for redlining? We’re not the ones who gave out the loans.

    • Replies: @res
  59. @Cloudbuster

    In the Middle Ages, there was a pope who hated his predecessor so much that he exhumed his corpse and parade it around Rome on a donkey, for all the people to jeer at. That’s what this is.

  60. res says:
    @Song For the Deaf

    Per Thomas Sowell, no one has ever proven the existence of redlining practices among US home lenders.

    What is the best place to find his views on this topic?

  61. FPD72 says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    When the city proposed building an “affordable housing” project across the street from my subdivision, I spoke before the city zoning commission. I went through each aspect of the project’s design and showed how it violated almost every recognized best practice in the HUD Defensible Space Manual. All to no avail. The project owner assured the commission how wrong I was and how safe his project would be.

    The project of 120 units opened in January and is not yet full. In six months there have been at least five police-reported criminal assaults, several of which resulted in the need for medical attention for the victims.

    During the same time, how many assaults have there been in my small subdivision of 146 homes? Zero.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @res
  62. res says:
    @FPD72

    The project owner assured the commission how wrong I was and how safe his project would be.

    There should be a way of requiring people like that to back up their words with cash. Say requiring a bond which would be forfeited if certain statistical thresholds (e.g. for crime) were reached.

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