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Is the Emanuel family ever not in the news? Last month, bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel was explaining in The Atlantic, using his 87-year-old former terrorist father Benjamin as Example A, why people ought to hurry up and drop dead at age 75. Now I’ve stumbled upon this 2012 article from the Jewish Daily Forward:

Rahm and Ari Emanuel Beat Me Up
Do Childhood Bullies Make Powerful Adult Leaders?

By Alan Goldsher

Published November 03, 2012, issue of November 09, 2012.

You know Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago? And his brother Ari Emanuel, arguably the most powerful talent agent in Hollywood? Well, they beat me up.

Not last week, or last month, or last year, but back in the ’70s, when they were teenagers and I was 10. Mind you, I’m not bitter about it or anything. Hell, I’ve been using the story as social currency ever since the Brothers Emanuel earned their respective notoriety. After all, everybody loves hearing how those ball-busting siblings were busting balls even before they owned Chicago and Hollywood. So let’s travel back to Wilmette, Ill. The year was 1976….

My pediatrician was Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, aka Dr. Benny. … Generally, my sojourns behind the house were solitary and unexciting, but every once in a while, Dr. Benny’s two high school aged sons paid me a visit.

It was common knowledge around Wilmette that Rahm and Ari Emanuel were bullies — hyper-intelligent bullies, but bullies nonetheless. (This was unlike their father, who only pretended to be a bully.) Rahm and Ari were, respectively, 6 and 5 years older than I was, so other than my weekly appearances at Dr. Benny’s, our paths never crossed; still, in those brief moments, the boys took a disliking to little ol’ me.

How do I know they disliked me? Because at every given opportunity, they threw me to the ground. Hard. Really hard.

I’ve blocked out the specifics of the attacks. The only things I know for certain were that a) they were unprovoked, and b) they hurt. I don’t know if their pushes were planned or spontaneous — although I suspect there might have been some forethought on that memorable afternoon when they shoved me back and forth and back and forth. …

All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult. According to Robert Faris, a sociologist at the University of California Davis, if the circumstances are right, the answer is yes. “On average, the future for bullies is bleak,” Faris said. “They tend to come from homes that are problematic, and then end up having long-term problems. But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”

 
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  1. Weekly doctor visits?

  2. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    They were pushies, not bullies.

  3. Quite a team. Sort of like Leopold and Loeb before they graduated to the big one.

  4. Sounds like their Irgun terrorist father trained them well. Did they cry out in pain as they struck their victim(s)?

  5. You know Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago? And his brother Ari Emanuel, arguably the most powerful talent agent in Hollywood? Well, they beat me up.

    How do I know they disliked me? Because at every given opportunity, they threw me to the ground. Hard. Really hard.

    It’s a pogrom, I tell you! A pogrom!

  6. Remember when Mitt Romney was the worst person in the world for cutting off that hippy’s hair at his prep school. What ever happened to that kind of journalism? Because I have a few questions about this incident.

    1. What kind of parents sends their kids to a pediatrician who’s teen sons regularly assaults them?
    2. Rahm had a famed reputation as a bully. But look at him. Even as an adult he’s about 5’6″ and goes maybe a buck forty. Who exactly was this waif bullying? Exclusively pre-teens? How many young children were attacked by this maniac?

  7. Everybody remembers when they were bullied, but nobody remembers when they bullied.

  8. This does not surprise me one bit.

    The story we were told by the left was that bullies were people with low self-esteem. When psychologists started getting real data, they found that bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims’ suffering. In other words, they are assholes. Which anyone with any insight into human nature would have known.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    The story we were told by the left was that bullies were people with low self-esteem. When psychologists started getting real data, they found that bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims’ suffering. In other words, they are assholes. Which anyone with any insight into human nature would have known.
     
    LOL - bullseye!
    , @dcite
    "bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims’ suffering. In other words, they are assholes. "

    Nowadays the preferred term is psychopaths. Society should be protecting itself from them, but instead it elects them to the highest offices in the land over and over.
  9. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Russell-Wilson-Addresses-Past-as-Bully-278258011.html

    Great regrets here about how he looks back and doesn’t like the ‘image’of himself knocking kids’ teeth out. I bet his advisors told him to get this out before the TV ads really get going.

  10. I’ve read this article in 2012, it reveals how the Emanuel clan thinks.

    Reading jewish mags like the Forward and Tablet is quite revealing, you get information that isn’t avaible in the mainstream media.

    • Replies: @anon
    "Recently, [Ari's] wife asked him to help one of them with his grammar homework. “I said, ‘Here’s how Daddy got by,’ ” Emanuel recalled telling his son, as they tried to make sense of possessives. “ ‘What I’d do, I’d put the apostrophe over the “s.” ’ ” He paused. “I don’t know what form of intelligence that is, but that’s something.”
  11. He saw his pediatrician every week?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Allergy shot every week.
  12. @Hunsdon
    He saw his pediatrician every week?

    Allergy shot every week.

  13. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Rahm is five-seven and built like the male ballerina he once was. Ezekial is similarly built. I’ve never seen Ari, but I assume that he’s not built like his Jeremy Piven alter-ego either. (Side note: Piven is actually a pretty cool guy; met him in a Westwood restaurant once, he helped me and a buddy pick up a group of sorority girls celebrating a birthday.) I don’t get how these guys were bullies. Was everybody in Wilmette even smaller Jews? I understand force of personality and I understand bullying doesn’t necessarily have to be physical, but from all descriptions, their bullying was of the plainly physical kind.

    Two fun facts about the Emanuels: none of them went to Ivy League schools, but rather to liberal arts colleges (Amhearst, Sarah Lawrence, Macalester). And Ari is married to what seems to be a WASP–Sarah Hardwick Addington.

    • Replies: @CCR
    Did you not read the part that he was bullying a 10 year old (and he was 15 or 16)?
  14. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Chiron
    I've read this article in 2012, it reveals how the Emanuel clan thinks.

    Reading jewish mags like the Forward and Tablet is quite revealing, you get information that isn't avaible in the mainstream media.

    “Recently, [Ari’s] wife asked him to help one of them with his grammar homework. “I said, ‘Here’s how Daddy got by,’ ” Emanuel recalled telling his son, as they tried to make sense of possessives. “ ‘What I’d do, I’d put the apostrophe over the “s.” ’ ” He paused. “I don’t know what form of intelligence that is, but that’s something.”

  15. Yipe, psychopaths in such esteem positions.. Who woulda guessed..

  16. I wish they met the Calllahan Irish twins of Elmhurst. They would be counting their teeth to this day.

  17. That last paragraph reminds me of “Treason doth never prosper…”

  18. I wonder if the Emanuel bullies helped to forge the identity of Alan Goldsher and drove him to join the IDF like those bullies on Long Island did to Jeffrey Goldberg.

  19. I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you’d have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.
    Probably the father (ex terrorist?) used to beat up on both of them. Doesn’t excuse them, of course, just explains them. I look forward to someday seeing the brother’s comeuppance.

    • Replies: @Udolpho
    Agreed, there is something more than a little weird about loitering around to pick on a kid five or six years younger than you. I wonder how often Rahm bullied Obama.
    , @dearieme
    "I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you’d have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that." Precisely.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you’d have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that."

    Yes, that was the first thought which occurred to me as well. I was violently bullied in the 1970s myself, but almost invariably by guys my age, or perhaps a year or two older. There were a few guys who were older bullies, but they were inevitably guys who were deranged and/or eventually wound up in prison.
  20. All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult… But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”

    I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children. My parents channeled my aggression into sports (especially combat sports). Later I became something of a leader of white/Asian nerds by defending them and going around beating their bullies. I absolutely hated low IQ kids bullying high IQ kids.

    One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark. I smashed the heads of the first few who tried to attack me, with a combination lock for my locker (it’s what I had at the moment; later I took to carrying a pocket knife). The rest fled. And because I was very successful academically (I was top twenty city-wide for the specialized high school test) and because my opponents were frequently thugs-in-training, I was always given a pass by school administrators and teachers for my violence. I learned that, properly channeled, aggression paid in this country.

    And I had ample practice – because Stuyvesant High School sent athletic teams to local areas (almost entirely black) and because, inevitably, my teams were targets of black racial attacks, I had a lot of chances to smash heads. Still, one fights long enough one is bound to get one’s head bashed in once in a while. I was jumped by a group of Chinese street gang kids and they stomped me silly a couple of days before I took the SAT. Still scored 99 percentile on both verbal and quantitative, though with enormous cranial hematomas (I was soccer kicked a few times while in the fetal position on the ground).

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy – “you might kill me, but you’ll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let’s get it on.” (Generally it worked very well, but there was a small risk of running into someone just as crazy but stronger, bigger, and more skilled.)

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It's become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There's never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No "white knight" for whites.

    I've gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It's a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you're asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you're into that kind of thing.
    , @Another Canadian

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy – “you might kill me, but you’ll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let’s get it on.”
     
    This strategy usually works, especially against oversized bullies who aren't used to getting their ass whupped. If you get in a few good shots, they may beat your ass but they usually won't mess with you again. If you back down they will pick on you for life. It's a time-honored schoolyard strategy.
    , @Big Bill

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy.
     
    Crazy is good, as a rather stubby but very alpha Italian friend demonstrated decades ago.

    Joe O. was loaded, chatting up a pair of tattooed lesbians back in a corner of his uncle's South Philly waterfront bar (they were feeding him drinks).

    His uncle persuaded Joe to bounce a big drunk from the bar, and Joe strong-armed him out of the bar. As we spilled outside it was clear that the big guy wasn't leaving. He wanted to take Joe down hard in the parking lot.

    Joe lunged forward, shrieking like stuck pig, grabbed the guy's head between his hands, and started growling and chewing on the guy's face. The drunk shrieked, fell backward, scrabbled away on all fours and took off running down the street. All thought of an easy beat down of a shrimpy guido instantly evaporated.

    Crazy works. Go zombie.
    , @AnonNJ
    I would love to see kicking a person in the head while they are on the ground automatically be treated as attempted murder, because that's what it is.
  21. @BehindTheLines
    This does not surprise me one bit.

    The story we were told by the left was that bullies were people with low self-esteem. When psychologists started getting real data, they found that bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims' suffering. In other words, they are assholes. Which anyone with any insight into human nature would have known.

    The story we were told by the left was that bullies were people with low self-esteem. When psychologists started getting real data, they found that bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims’ suffering. In other words, they are assholes. Which anyone with any insight into human nature would have known.

    LOL – bullseye!

  22. I thought this was going to be tied in to Russell Wilson’s revelation this week that he was a bully up to the age of 13 or 14. He seems like a successful leader both in the NFL and at State College.

  23. @JVO
    I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you'd have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.
    Probably the father (ex terrorist?) used to beat up on both of them. Doesn't excuse them, of course, just explains them. I look forward to someday seeing the brother's comeuppance.

    Agreed, there is something more than a little weird about loitering around to pick on a kid five or six years younger than you. I wonder how often Rahm bullied Obama.

  24. You should be careful labelling that man a terrorist. That’s libel.

  25. Everytime I see lisping Tiny Dancer and hear about how tough he is I laugh.

  26. @Twinkie

    All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult... But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”
     
    I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children. My parents channeled my aggression into sports (especially combat sports). Later I became something of a leader of white/Asian nerds by defending them and going around beating their bullies. I absolutely hated low IQ kids bullying high IQ kids.

    One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark. I smashed the heads of the first few who tried to attack me, with a combination lock for my locker (it's what I had at the moment; later I took to carrying a pocket knife). The rest fled. And because I was very successful academically (I was top twenty city-wide for the specialized high school test) and because my opponents were frequently thugs-in-training, I was always given a pass by school administrators and teachers for my violence. I learned that, properly channeled, aggression paid in this country.

    And I had ample practice - because Stuyvesant High School sent athletic teams to local areas (almost entirely black) and because, inevitably, my teams were targets of black racial attacks, I had a lot of chances to smash heads. Still, one fights long enough one is bound to get one's head bashed in once in a while. I was jumped by a group of Chinese street gang kids and they stomped me silly a couple of days before I took the SAT. Still scored 99 percentile on both verbal and quantitative, though with enormous cranial hematomas (I was soccer kicked a few times while in the fetal position on the ground).

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy - "you might kill me, but you'll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let's get it on." (Generally it worked very well, but there was a small risk of running into someone just as crazy but stronger, bigger, and more skilled.)

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    I’ve gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It’s a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you’re asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you’re into that kind of thing.

    • Replies: @Kentuckian
    I went to public schools in Atlanta from the 8th grade on up, and let me tell you, I'm sure glad I got in after the majority of my growth spurt had finished.

    I'm fairly sure it's an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child's view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one "scuffles" than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context. If a White kid were to get into a fist fight with a black kid, and trip and fall backwards, he could very well find himself in a split second getting kicked on the ground by three other boys in a matter of seconds.

    In all the fights I've watched White guys get into it's usually some fists being thrown, maybe some ground and pound, and the other White guys in the vicinity either standing around or actively trying to break up the fight. If you get into fights with White guys, you usually don't have to worry about a 3rd or 4th participant jumping in just to kick your head into some concrete while you're still wrestling the original combatant.

    So, it's not surprising that White kids who have go to school around blacks learn that the path of least resistance is just to learn to scurry about like mice and avoid confrontation.

    So, as a guy with pretty decent school-fights and martial arts experience, and if you have a little White or Asian snowflake having to school around blacks (which, sadly, is an increasing experience), my recommendation for their safety is good wrestling skills. Boxing is very good as well, teaching them to take a punch and protect their head, but the priority should for your child should be to always stay on their feet. So, if he clinches his primary combatant, he will need know how to keep a solid base and footing so as not to get taken to the ground. If he trips and falls during a fight it doesn't really matter if he has excellent submission wrestling skills and could finish down there, since he could seriously hurt himself if he were to fall on concrete (a common way fights cause serious injury) and if a few of the black teen's buddies are hanging about while he's ground and pounding he could quickly find himself being showered with kicks to the head and then it's game over. If he stays on his feet, he might get a bloody nose or a tough shot to the gut, but he'll still have the opportunity to beat feet if things look bad or until a teacher or school cop can break up the fight.
    , @Lurker

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    No, because that would be 'racism' and white kids will learn that pretty fast.

    That might have been different in an earlier era but of course black kids wouldnt have been let near white kids.

    , @Bill

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    Wasn't true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.
    , @Twinkie

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction.
     
    Most normal children raised in intact, stable homes (meaning, most white and Asian children) avoid conflict and aggression. In fact, most people do. Most people are sheep. It's the rational thing to do, unless and until it becomes "Danegeld."

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    I saw plenty of rough-and-tumble white kids while I was young. Some were incredibly tough children. But most stuck up for themselves, not for the bullied. That's the way of the world.

    I was blessed to have parents who were a bit different. My father absolutely hated losing and inculcated me in the "never say die" attitude (if someone broke my arm, he was all "well, hit him with the arm and show him he didn't hurt ya and that he only made you angrier"). My mother was extremely civic-minded and taught me to care about other people. So, growing up, I fancied myself a sheepdog. Some of my favorite films when I was a child were "High Noon" and "Shane."
  27. The irony of the left promoting the “Stop The Bullying” campaign even though they are the first ones to defend bullies from the ghetto Black underclass.

  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Twinkie said:

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    You can’t engage in the aggression found in violent cultures and places for very long. It will end badly. Go to Best Gore and watch brutal Brazilian prison fights/riots. Or machete fights in the Dominican Republic. Or people burned alive in third-world Latin American or African countries. If you live with this mentality you will attract it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    You can’t engage in the aggression found in violent cultures and places for very long. It will end badly. Go to Best Gore and watch brutal Brazilian prison fights/riots. Or machete fights in the Dominican Republic. Or people burned alive in third-world Latin American or African countries. If you live with this mentality you will attract it.
     
    What mentality is that?

    I'm retired now and don't do time in "Indian country," so I am pretty safe. And I live in an affluent area and follow the lessons of Derbyshire's "The Talk: The Nonblack version" so I avoid trouble.

    Also, having children has made me much more averse to risk. I follow my own professional advice regarding interpersonal conflict in a civilian setting: avoid, evade, escape, fight - in that order of preference.

    Still, compared to the bulk of the population, I am pretty much armed to the teeth (CCP, BUG, pocket knives, paracord, flashlight on me, and food/water/medkit/long gun in the trunk where legally permitted). I won't ever start a confrontation, but if I am forced into one to defend myself or the innocent around me, I will not hesitate and hit fast and hit hard... As artillerists say shoot and scoot, shoot and scoot.

    At home, I do what I taught my wife and kids - collect them, retreat to the safe room (which has a reinforced door), barricade, point my Rem 870 at the door from an off angle. Call the police and ask them to clear the house (I keep my old cell phones charged as spares - they can all make 911 calls). I also keep a fire extinguisher and a rope ladder in case there is a fire.

    And I won't describe my bugout setup online. The crazy thing is that I have friends and acquaintances with a much more elaborate setup/plans in case of large scale disturbances/emergencies. They make me look like a Quaker pacifist.

  29. Boy, if a man’s character is defined by how well or ill he treats those weaker than him, the Emanuels are scum of the earth. But it’s more than that. What 15 or 16 year old picks on a ten year old? And to double-team the ten year-old?!? As to the comment above that the Calllahan Irish twins of Elmhurst would have put these pyschos in their place–here’s news: The Emanuels would have been groveling little catamites around anyone they thought might harm them. At your feet or at your throat with these losers.

  30. Rahm also married a WASP and I think she converted for him. I see him around at City Hall all the time (I work for the city) and it always amazes me at how little he is. The guy is short.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Richie Daley isn't real big either.
  31. “One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark.”

    In San Francisco and Oakland, Blacks thugs like to target Asians who have an electronic device in their hands like an iPod or an iPhone. They also like to target Asian FOB senior citizens who speak little to no English.

    I used to feel sorry for them but now not so much because the majority of Asian Americans who are victims of African American thuggery will still end up voting Democrat.

    Don’t take this personally, because I also apply mentality this to White liberals who are victims of African American thuggery. I do not feel sorry for them either.

  32. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    http://youtu.be/AkERBYsQYmU?t=52m15s

    A necessary question.

    Jared Taylor ‘Unanswered Questions’

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Jared Taylor has an excellent mind, and a facility for expression - and his position on this point is particularly aptly formulated, an example to everyone. He addresses the issue of Jewish behaviour with clarity and courage, yet he also shows how resolved he is on principle to not judge them as a group, but as individuals.

    I imagine the likes of Syon watching Jared in the above clip with an attitude similar to my own, but I wonder what goes on in the mind of a guy like Whiskey when seeing the same clip.
  33. “Rahm also married a WASP and I think she converted for him. I see him around at City Hall all the time (I work for the city) and it always amazes me at how little he is. The guy is short.”

    By Southeast Asian standards, 5 foot 7 Rahm Emanuel would be considered tall. By Western standards, he might as well be Napoleon.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    5 foot 7 Rahm Emanuel would be considered tall. By Western standards, he might as well be Napoleon.
     
    Small man's disease.
  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://youtu.be/AkERBYsQYmU?t=52m15s

    A necessary question.

    Jared Taylor 'Unanswered Questions'

    Jared Taylor has an excellent mind, and a facility for expression – and his position on this point is particularly aptly formulated, an example to everyone. He addresses the issue of Jewish behaviour with clarity and courage, yet he also shows how resolved he is on principle to not judge them as a group, but as individuals.

    I imagine the likes of Syon watching Jared in the above clip with an attitude similar to my own, but I wonder what goes on in the mind of a guy like Whiskey when seeing the same clip.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Jared Taylor has an excellent mind, and a facility for expression –

    The real Jared Taylor is the proprietor of an internet cesspool where people who loathe blacks can congregate and display their middle fingers.
  35. @JVO
    I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you'd have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.
    Probably the father (ex terrorist?) used to beat up on both of them. Doesn't excuse them, of course, just explains them. I look forward to someday seeing the brother's comeuppance.

    “I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you’d have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.” Precisely.

  36. I wouldn’t be surprised, but I don’t see how this is particularly Jewish. You think LBJ was a softie as a kid? The Emanuels aren’t running for President.

    Bill Clinton, I imagine, was probably more interested in girls…

    • Replies: @el supremo
    Bill Clinton in high school was definitely not bullying anyone nor was he a smooth womanizer - he was a somewhat stocky kid who played saxophone in the band and was a member of various classic mid-century school clubs (pep club, key club, All-State Jazz Band)

    Young Bill in his small town high school days:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/14-photos-of-bill-clinton-in-high-school-as-an-overachiever#hb37g6
  37. Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths. Hayek nailed this decades ago with his essay on why the worst rise to the top of government. It is sort of like how the sales managers and management positions at car dealerships are even bigger sociopaths than the salesmen, but most people think it will be the opposite.

    Hilarious article though. Thanks for posting, Steve.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths.

    When you find yourself saying things like this, you might try inserting the name of some person as the subject and see if it still makes sense. As in, "Jimmy Carter is a complete sociopath" or "David Dinkins is a complete sociopath" or "Bobby Jindal is a complete sociopath". (Of course, this method is only useful if one is not a compleat loon).
  38. @anon
    Rahm is five-seven and built like the male ballerina he once was. Ezekial is similarly built. I've never seen Ari, but I assume that he's not built like his Jeremy Piven alter-ego either. (Side note: Piven is actually a pretty cool guy; met him in a Westwood restaurant once, he helped me and a buddy pick up a group of sorority girls celebrating a birthday.) I don't get how these guys were bullies. Was everybody in Wilmette even smaller Jews? I understand force of personality and I understand bullying doesn't necessarily have to be physical, but from all descriptions, their bullying was of the plainly physical kind.

    Two fun facts about the Emanuels: none of them went to Ivy League schools, but rather to liberal arts colleges (Amhearst, Sarah Lawrence, Macalester). And Ari is married to what seems to be a WASP--Sarah Hardwick Addington.

    Did you not read the part that he was bullying a 10 year old (and he was 15 or 16)?

  39. @Twinkie

    All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult... But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”
     
    I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children. My parents channeled my aggression into sports (especially combat sports). Later I became something of a leader of white/Asian nerds by defending them and going around beating their bullies. I absolutely hated low IQ kids bullying high IQ kids.

    One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark. I smashed the heads of the first few who tried to attack me, with a combination lock for my locker (it's what I had at the moment; later I took to carrying a pocket knife). The rest fled. And because I was very successful academically (I was top twenty city-wide for the specialized high school test) and because my opponents were frequently thugs-in-training, I was always given a pass by school administrators and teachers for my violence. I learned that, properly channeled, aggression paid in this country.

    And I had ample practice - because Stuyvesant High School sent athletic teams to local areas (almost entirely black) and because, inevitably, my teams were targets of black racial attacks, I had a lot of chances to smash heads. Still, one fights long enough one is bound to get one's head bashed in once in a while. I was jumped by a group of Chinese street gang kids and they stomped me silly a couple of days before I took the SAT. Still scored 99 percentile on both verbal and quantitative, though with enormous cranial hematomas (I was soccer kicked a few times while in the fetal position on the ground).

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy - "you might kill me, but you'll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let's get it on." (Generally it worked very well, but there was a small risk of running into someone just as crazy but stronger, bigger, and more skilled.)

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy – “you might kill me, but you’ll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let’s get it on.”

    This strategy usually works, especially against oversized bullies who aren’t used to getting their ass whupped. If you get in a few good shots, they may beat your ass but they usually won’t mess with you again. If you back down they will pick on you for life. It’s a time-honored schoolyard strategy.

  40. Two geeky Jewish dwarves beating younger one. The mind reels at the severity of it all. The Emanuel brothers in a fistfight puts me in mind of the members of the Florida State defensive line taking a calculus exam.

  41. Hey, the Emanuel brothers have a right to defend themselves. Stop hiding behind their father.

  42. He addresses the issue of Jewish behaviour with clarity and courage, yet he also shows how resolved he is on principle to not judge them as a group, but as individuals.

    Which explains why we keep losing this competition. They’re competing against us as a group, not as individuals.

  43. @Hacienda
    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It's become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There's never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No "white knight" for whites.

    I've gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It's a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you're asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you're into that kind of thing.

    I went to public schools in Atlanta from the 8th grade on up, and let me tell you, I’m sure glad I got in after the majority of my growth spurt had finished.

    I’m fairly sure it’s an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child’s view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one “scuffles” than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context. If a White kid were to get into a fist fight with a black kid, and trip and fall backwards, he could very well find himself in a split second getting kicked on the ground by three other boys in a matter of seconds.

    In all the fights I’ve watched White guys get into it’s usually some fists being thrown, maybe some ground and pound, and the other White guys in the vicinity either standing around or actively trying to break up the fight. If you get into fights with White guys, you usually don’t have to worry about a 3rd or 4th participant jumping in just to kick your head into some concrete while you’re still wrestling the original combatant.

    So, it’s not surprising that White kids who have go to school around blacks learn that the path of least resistance is just to learn to scurry about like mice and avoid confrontation.

    So, as a guy with pretty decent school-fights and martial arts experience, and if you have a little White or Asian snowflake having to school around blacks (which, sadly, is an increasing experience), my recommendation for their safety is good wrestling skills. Boxing is very good as well, teaching them to take a punch and protect their head, but the priority should for your child should be to always stay on their feet. So, if he clinches his primary combatant, he will need know how to keep a solid base and footing so as not to get taken to the ground. If he trips and falls during a fight it doesn’t really matter if he has excellent submission wrestling skills and could finish down there, since he could seriously hurt himself if he were to fall on concrete (a common way fights cause serious injury) and if a few of the black teen’s buddies are hanging about while he’s ground and pounding he could quickly find himself being showered with kicks to the head and then it’s game over. If he stays on his feet, he might get a bloody nose or a tough shot to the gut, but he’ll still have the opportunity to beat feet if things look bad or until a teacher or school cop can break up the fight.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I’m fairly sure it’s an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child’s view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.
     
    And the Black kids tend to be a year or two older as a result of having failed a grade or two. It's a double whammy.
    , @Hacienda
    When I was four my grandmother took me to a Korean traditional play (like Japanese Noh) at the grandest Korean theater of that time. This kind of theatre is absolutely different from
    Western theatre. Doesn't have a story-line necessarily. Good guy/bad guy which is artificial and obstrusive. You are in the moment, the moment is eternal. In its eternity, however you can't help but see into the heart of the actor and the situation he is in. Body language as total communication. Absolutely mysterious and mesmerizing.

    There are really strong archetypes- the soldier, the farmer, the politician, the courtesan, the student, etc. Much of it relies on hand movements, subtle twists of the head, angles, positioning of limbs, adhesion to rythmns. Tone, modulation, and speed of speech. All these create emotional pitch and approbriate energy levels.

    Make a long story short. You've got to communicate the right harmonics to the blacks that might
    do you ill. Eastern theatrics are great for that. Won't work all the time, nothing has perfect success.
    , @Twinkie

    I’m fairly sure it’s an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child’s view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.
     
    I think this does play a large role. And Asian children start puberty even later than white kids on average. So black-on-Asian violence at schools is very common where the two groups co-exist.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one “scuffles” than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context.

     

    My experience definitely lends credence to this. Pack attacks were not unknown among white or Asian young thugs (as I mentioned before, a group of Chinese street gang kids put a merciless beating on me), but were much more of the norm among black delinquents. I've had several run-ins with them. But in most cases, they turned and fled when I cracked the first few. Packs build courage, but they also spread fear quickly too.
  44. @SFG
    I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't see how this is particularly Jewish. You think LBJ was a softie as a kid? The Emanuels aren't running for President.

    Bill Clinton, I imagine, was probably more interested in girls...

    Bill Clinton in high school was definitely not bullying anyone nor was he a smooth womanizer – he was a somewhat stocky kid who played saxophone in the band and was a member of various classic mid-century school clubs (pep club, key club, All-State Jazz Band)

    Young Bill in his small town high school days:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/14-photos-of-bill-clinton-in-high-school-as-an-overachiever#hb37g6

  45. @Twinkie

    All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult... But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”
     
    I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children. My parents channeled my aggression into sports (especially combat sports). Later I became something of a leader of white/Asian nerds by defending them and going around beating their bullies. I absolutely hated low IQ kids bullying high IQ kids.

    One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark. I smashed the heads of the first few who tried to attack me, with a combination lock for my locker (it's what I had at the moment; later I took to carrying a pocket knife). The rest fled. And because I was very successful academically (I was top twenty city-wide for the specialized high school test) and because my opponents were frequently thugs-in-training, I was always given a pass by school administrators and teachers for my violence. I learned that, properly channeled, aggression paid in this country.

    And I had ample practice - because Stuyvesant High School sent athletic teams to local areas (almost entirely black) and because, inevitably, my teams were targets of black racial attacks, I had a lot of chances to smash heads. Still, one fights long enough one is bound to get one's head bashed in once in a while. I was jumped by a group of Chinese street gang kids and they stomped me silly a couple of days before I took the SAT. Still scored 99 percentile on both verbal and quantitative, though with enormous cranial hematomas (I was soccer kicked a few times while in the fetal position on the ground).

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy - "you might kill me, but you'll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let's get it on." (Generally it worked very well, but there was a small risk of running into someone just as crazy but stronger, bigger, and more skilled.)

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy.

    Crazy is good, as a rather stubby but very alpha Italian friend demonstrated decades ago.

    Joe O. was loaded, chatting up a pair of tattooed lesbians back in a corner of his uncle’s South Philly waterfront bar (they were feeding him drinks).

    His uncle persuaded Joe to bounce a big drunk from the bar, and Joe strong-armed him out of the bar. As we spilled outside it was clear that the big guy wasn’t leaving. He wanted to take Joe down hard in the parking lot.

    Joe lunged forward, shrieking like stuck pig, grabbed the guy’s head between his hands, and started growling and chewing on the guy’s face. The drunk shrieked, fell backward, scrabbled away on all fours and took off running down the street. All thought of an easy beat down of a shrimpy guido instantly evaporated.

    Crazy works. Go zombie.

  46. @Trumped
    Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths. Hayek nailed this decades ago with his essay on why the worst rise to the top of government. It is sort of like how the sales managers and management positions at car dealerships are even bigger sociopaths than the salesmen, but most people think it will be the opposite.

    Hilarious article though. Thanks for posting, Steve.

    Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths.

    When you find yourself saying things like this, you might try inserting the name of some person as the subject and see if it still makes sense. As in, “Jimmy Carter is a complete sociopath” or “David Dinkins is a complete sociopath” or “Bobby Jindal is a complete sociopath”. (Of course, this method is only useful if one is not a compleat loon).

    • Replies: @Udolpho
    Calm down, it was understandable hyperbole. Politics in these environments tends to lead to more sociopathic personalities making it to the top. Rahm Emmanuel is a classic example of that, and lo and behold he is the object of Sailer's post here. Find something else to pedantically bitch about.
    , @Sean
    I would ask you to carefully review the circumstances in which Adlai Stevenson (then aged 12) killed 16 year old Ruth Merwin by shooting her in the forehead. He aimed the gun at her.
  47. @Anonymous
    Jared Taylor has an excellent mind, and a facility for expression - and his position on this point is particularly aptly formulated, an example to everyone. He addresses the issue of Jewish behaviour with clarity and courage, yet he also shows how resolved he is on principle to not judge them as a group, but as individuals.

    I imagine the likes of Syon watching Jared in the above clip with an attitude similar to my own, but I wonder what goes on in the mind of a guy like Whiskey when seeing the same clip.

    Jared Taylor has an excellent mind, and a facility for expression –

    The real Jared Taylor is the proprietor of an internet cesspool where people who loathe blacks can congregate and display their middle fingers.

  48. @Jefferson
    "Rahm also married a WASP and I think she converted for him. I see him around at City Hall all the time (I work for the city) and it always amazes me at how little he is. The guy is short."

    By Southeast Asian standards, 5 foot 7 Rahm Emanuel would be considered tall. By Western standards, he might as well be Napoleon.

    5 foot 7 Rahm Emanuel would be considered tall. By Western standards, he might as well be Napoleon.

    Small man’s disease.

  49. @Hacienda
    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It's become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There's never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No "white knight" for whites.

    I've gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It's a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you're asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you're into that kind of thing.

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    No, because that would be ‘racism’ and white kids will learn that pretty fast.

    That might have been different in an earlier era but of course black kids wouldnt have been let near white kids.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    That's a small part of it.

    It's a social benefit/loss game.
    All people resent heroes and most despise the victim in the first place.
    Unless you're trying to impress a really pretty girl or just enjoy the fight, it's a fool's game.

    And even 2nd graders understand what the white station in life is compared to the black station.
    What's a little schoolyard sacrifice to them?
  50. I’m sitting here at McD’s south of SF reading these accounts of black bullies, of which I have much personal experience. In walks an elderly black guy I’ve talked with before. He’s from North Carolina, and is a Dodgers fan. I mock commiserate with him. He’s telling me how he’d fix the team, then goes, “oh, there’s my wife, got to go.” She’s Chinese.

  51. “By Western standards, he might as well be Napoleon”.
    Or Audie Murphy.

    Bernard Montgomery owned up to being a seriously malevolent bully at school.

    What Makes Sammy Run?:’ Convinced that Jews should help each other, Manheim himself continuously tries to “revive the victims he left behind him as he kept hitting-and-running his way to the top”. […] When she[ a WASP] met Sammy, she told Manheim, she had “this crazy desire to know what it felt like to have all that driving ambition and frenzy and violence inside me.[…] At one point, Manheim talks about Sammy’s “undeclared war against the world”, at another about Sammy Glick’s Mein Kampf.”‘

    None of this excuses what Rahmy is, but I think we understand him a bit better.

  52. @Hacienda
    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It's become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There's never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No "white knight" for whites.

    I've gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It's a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you're asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you're into that kind of thing.

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    Wasn’t true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Wasn’t true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.
     
    One of the reasons why I home schooled my children. They all started Judo and Shotokan Karate starting age five. And started shooting at age six. They would not have lasted in a public school.
    , @Lurker

    Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.
     
    Im guessing an individual defending himself is probably acceptable but two or more in concert?
  53. @Fake Herzog
    Rahm also married a WASP and I think she converted for him. I see him around at City Hall all the time (I work for the city) and it always amazes me at how little he is. The guy is short.

    Richie Daley isn’t real big either.

  54. […] Inspired by Steve Sailer’s post “Rahm and Ari Emanuel Beat Me Up” […]

  55. @JVO
    I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you'd have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.
    Probably the father (ex terrorist?) used to beat up on both of them. Doesn't excuse them, of course, just explains them. I look forward to someday seeing the brother's comeuppance.

    “I remember being 15 and 16. At that age, you’d have to be a real nutjob to pick on a ten year old kid like that.”

    Yes, that was the first thought which occurred to me as well. I was violently bullied in the 1970s myself, but almost invariably by guys my age, or perhaps a year or two older. There were a few guys who were older bullies, but they were inevitably guys who were deranged and/or eventually wound up in prison.

  56. “I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children…”

    I went to high school with you. You were NOT the person you described. It must be short story time with Mrs. Harper.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I went to high school with you. You were NOT the person you described. It must be short story time with Mrs. Harper.
     
    You got me. Isn't the internet a place where a strapping middle aged Asian six footer is actually a five foot teenage Latina?

    Which year was your class at Stuy?
  57. “Lurker says:

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    No, because that would be ‘racism’ and white kids will learn that pretty fast.

    That might have been different in an earlier era but of course black kids wouldnt have been let near white kids.”

    Growing up in Virginia in the 70’s and 80’s we struggled with how to deal with the “black pack attack”. Nobody liked being a coward and ducking them, but it wasn’t possible to get a fair fight with a black kid, their friends always would jump in. So you learned to avoid conflict. Until our junior year of high school – I’m not sure why it finally clicked but one day a white guy (football player, pretty big guy) squared off with a black kid and was getting the best of him…sure enough, here come three other blacks to pile on. But then here come three whites to square off with them. Add some more blacks, counter with an equal number of whites, and presto, instant race riot. I don’t recall the exact numbers but it was something like 8 on 8.

    I was walking down the hall and saw it going on, so was in the 2nd wave of whites into the fight (i was also a football player and was friends with all those white guys) and I have to say, it was exhilarating! The guy I was fighting had fear in his eyes (not that I was a great fighter, I just think he’d never fought anybody 1-on-1 before) and kept trying to punch while giving ground. All the while running his mouth…”come on..do something m*&$% f*&^er…You gonna get whooped…” that type of thing. He’d throw a big roundhouse while backing up, I’d side step it and punch him in the stomach. Then he’d “yeah come on do something punk”…lol…I tried to back him into a stairwell hoping he’d fall down it but he circled back into the hallway. I eventually backed him into a doorway with a locked door and pummeled the shit out of him. I even kicked him in the balls. He finally tried to curl up cannonball-style and I couldn’t find much to hit other than the top of his head or his arms.

    Eventually some coaches and the principal got it broken up. This was the mid 80’s, before guns were the logical next step.

    About 3 days later, a bunch of older (late teens and 20’s) blacks that didn’t go to the school showed up and picked off a couple random white kids outside (uninvolved in the original fight so they were bewildered and must have been terrified). It was during our lunch, so we quickly organized 20 or so white kids and went to confront them (one huge white guy that was a defensive lineman ripped the antenna off one of their cars and was whipping the guy with it, over and over and over…definitely some savagery). Within a minute or two it seemed like the entire county police force came fish-tailing into the parking lot. There must have been 8 or 10 police cruisers. The outside blacks were mostly arrested for trespassing, the white kids given various forms of suspension or other punishments (I got two weeks of “in school” suspension). No punishment for the blacks that had instigated the whole thing.

    The rest of the school year was pretty calm. It was like the message “ok they’ll fight back” was received and they found something else to do. This was pre immivasion so it was just whites and blacks and some recent arrival Vietnamese. The Vietnamese mostly kept to themselves but definitely wouldn’t take any crap from the blacks so they were left alone too.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    Your story made my day!

    When I was 12, I got jumped by two puerto rican teenagers. Later that day, my younger brother and I saw them walking down the street and they ran away into a maze of lower-income apartment buildings when we started to give chase.

  58. @Lurker

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    No, because that would be 'racism' and white kids will learn that pretty fast.

    That might have been different in an earlier era but of course black kids wouldnt have been let near white kids.

    That’s a small part of it.

    It’s a social benefit/loss game.
    All people resent heroes and most despise the victim in the first place.
    Unless you’re trying to impress a really pretty girl or just enjoy the fight, it’s a fool’s game.

    And even 2nd graders understand what the white station in life is compared to the black station.
    What’s a little schoolyard sacrifice to them?

  59. @Twinkie

    All of which got me to wondering if it’s common for a childhood tough guy to succeed as an adult... But there’s a caveat to that: another category of kids who are highly aggressive, kids who come from good homes, kids who are often quite popular. Those children are probably more skillful in the way that they use aggression. They often have high social skills, and do quite well in later life. There are probably a number of politicians and successful business leaders who fall into that category.”
     
    I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children. My parents channeled my aggression into sports (especially combat sports). Later I became something of a leader of white/Asian nerds by defending them and going around beating their bullies. I absolutely hated low IQ kids bullying high IQ kids.

    One of my first days of school in NYC, I was accosted by about a dozen black kids who, I guess, figured that an Asian boy with minimal English skills made an easy mark. I smashed the heads of the first few who tried to attack me, with a combination lock for my locker (it's what I had at the moment; later I took to carrying a pocket knife). The rest fled. And because I was very successful academically (I was top twenty city-wide for the specialized high school test) and because my opponents were frequently thugs-in-training, I was always given a pass by school administrators and teachers for my violence. I learned that, properly channeled, aggression paid in this country.

    And I had ample practice - because Stuyvesant High School sent athletic teams to local areas (almost entirely black) and because, inevitably, my teams were targets of black racial attacks, I had a lot of chances to smash heads. Still, one fights long enough one is bound to get one's head bashed in once in a while. I was jumped by a group of Chinese street gang kids and they stomped me silly a couple of days before I took the SAT. Still scored 99 percentile on both verbal and quantitative, though with enormous cranial hematomas (I was soccer kicked a few times while in the fetal position on the ground).

    One of the things I learned in NYC was to play chicken well, basically to be crazy. Or, more elegantly, the French nuclear strategy - "you might kill me, but you'll lose your arms in the process; if you want to lose your arms, go ahead, let's get it on." (Generally it worked very well, but there was a small risk of running into someone just as crazy but stronger, bigger, and more skilled.)

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.

    I would love to see kicking a person in the head while they are on the ground automatically be treated as attempted murder, because that’s what it is.

  60. I as too busy to bully younger kids, When I was 15, I was busy working after school pumping gas so I could by a car when I turned 16. And when I turned 16, I was busy having sex with my girlfriend in the back of my ’69 Camaro.

    Some discussion on black & White school yard fights here… Well, I’m far from school age, but the other day I was walking out of the public library during my lunch break. I recognized an attractive mid-20s light-complected black woman that works at a 7-11 that I frequent, and I casually said “hello.” There was a 20 y/o black male with her and I didn’t really give him a thought, but by their casual demeanor, I took him for her brother. He was about my exact size 6-0, 165 lbs., wearing a McDonalds uniform. Well, the guy went ballistic when I said “hello” to the woman. He had a “chimpout” and started making aggressive gestures and got very loud. I immediately got “hot” and headed right for him at a determined pace. He then seemed to quickly be having second thoughts, but so did I – I thought: here I am at 12:30 in the afternoon on a sunny weekday, in front of the public library, I don’t want to get my $150 Bostonian wingtips scuffed up (or bloody), I’ve got a meeting with the Finance Director in a plush corporate office in 30 minutes (+snacks), and I’m 50 years old. We both calmed down, got in our respective cars, and drove away.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    I immediately got “hot” and headed right for him at a determined pace. He then seemed to quickly be having second thoughts
     
    Vaguely similar - I was walking past a couple of (white) youths recently and they were talking to each other and suddenly their tone changed and I knew they were talking about me. I immediately changed direction and walked straight towards them, at an increased pace, and they shut up. I then switched back onto my original path, never said a word to them and no more talking to be heard.

    Of course if I will insist on wandering the streets naked...

  61. […] blogger Steve Sailer has a recent post questioning the popular feel-good idea that bullies are low self-esteem losers. While this […]

  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve seen Rahm in person. Saying he’s 5’7″ is an exaggeration. He’s more like about 5’5″, about as short as an adult caucasian male can get without being considered a midget.
    The stuff about black bullying and pack attacks is true all over no matter where you go. A person has to really feel sorry for anyone forced to go to school with blacks or have them in the neighborhood. It’s such a misfortune.

  63. @Kentuckian
    I went to public schools in Atlanta from the 8th grade on up, and let me tell you, I'm sure glad I got in after the majority of my growth spurt had finished.

    I'm fairly sure it's an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child's view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one "scuffles" than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context. If a White kid were to get into a fist fight with a black kid, and trip and fall backwards, he could very well find himself in a split second getting kicked on the ground by three other boys in a matter of seconds.

    In all the fights I've watched White guys get into it's usually some fists being thrown, maybe some ground and pound, and the other White guys in the vicinity either standing around or actively trying to break up the fight. If you get into fights with White guys, you usually don't have to worry about a 3rd or 4th participant jumping in just to kick your head into some concrete while you're still wrestling the original combatant.

    So, it's not surprising that White kids who have go to school around blacks learn that the path of least resistance is just to learn to scurry about like mice and avoid confrontation.

    So, as a guy with pretty decent school-fights and martial arts experience, and if you have a little White or Asian snowflake having to school around blacks (which, sadly, is an increasing experience), my recommendation for their safety is good wrestling skills. Boxing is very good as well, teaching them to take a punch and protect their head, but the priority should for your child should be to always stay on their feet. So, if he clinches his primary combatant, he will need know how to keep a solid base and footing so as not to get taken to the ground. If he trips and falls during a fight it doesn't really matter if he has excellent submission wrestling skills and could finish down there, since he could seriously hurt himself if he were to fall on concrete (a common way fights cause serious injury) and if a few of the black teen's buddies are hanging about while he's ground and pounding he could quickly find himself being showered with kicks to the head and then it's game over. If he stays on his feet, he might get a bloody nose or a tough shot to the gut, but he'll still have the opportunity to beat feet if things look bad or until a teacher or school cop can break up the fight.

    I’m fairly sure it’s an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child’s view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    And the Black kids tend to be a year or two older as a result of having failed a grade or two. It’s a double whammy.

  64. @Kentuckian
    I went to public schools in Atlanta from the 8th grade on up, and let me tell you, I'm sure glad I got in after the majority of my growth spurt had finished.

    I'm fairly sure it's an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child's view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one "scuffles" than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context. If a White kid were to get into a fist fight with a black kid, and trip and fall backwards, he could very well find himself in a split second getting kicked on the ground by three other boys in a matter of seconds.

    In all the fights I've watched White guys get into it's usually some fists being thrown, maybe some ground and pound, and the other White guys in the vicinity either standing around or actively trying to break up the fight. If you get into fights with White guys, you usually don't have to worry about a 3rd or 4th participant jumping in just to kick your head into some concrete while you're still wrestling the original combatant.

    So, it's not surprising that White kids who have go to school around blacks learn that the path of least resistance is just to learn to scurry about like mice and avoid confrontation.

    So, as a guy with pretty decent school-fights and martial arts experience, and if you have a little White or Asian snowflake having to school around blacks (which, sadly, is an increasing experience), my recommendation for their safety is good wrestling skills. Boxing is very good as well, teaching them to take a punch and protect their head, but the priority should for your child should be to always stay on their feet. So, if he clinches his primary combatant, he will need know how to keep a solid base and footing so as not to get taken to the ground. If he trips and falls during a fight it doesn't really matter if he has excellent submission wrestling skills and could finish down there, since he could seriously hurt himself if he were to fall on concrete (a common way fights cause serious injury) and if a few of the black teen's buddies are hanging about while he's ground and pounding he could quickly find himself being showered with kicks to the head and then it's game over. If he stays on his feet, he might get a bloody nose or a tough shot to the gut, but he'll still have the opportunity to beat feet if things look bad or until a teacher or school cop can break up the fight.

    When I was four my grandmother took me to a Korean traditional play (like Japanese Noh) at the grandest Korean theater of that time. This kind of theatre is absolutely different from
    Western theatre. Doesn’t have a story-line necessarily. Good guy/bad guy which is artificial and obstrusive. You are in the moment, the moment is eternal. In its eternity, however you can’t help but see into the heart of the actor and the situation he is in. Body language as total communication. Absolutely mysterious and mesmerizing.

    There are really strong archetypes- the soldier, the farmer, the politician, the courtesan, the student, etc. Much of it relies on hand movements, subtle twists of the head, angles, positioning of limbs, adhesion to rythmns. Tone, modulation, and speed of speech. All these create emotional pitch and approbriate energy levels.

    Make a long story short. You’ve got to communicate the right harmonics to the blacks that might
    do you ill. Eastern theatrics are great for that. Won’t work all the time, nothing has perfect success.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Re: blacks and grade. Yeah, a local high school just dismissed two black football players in their junior year, the running back and receiver, from the team. Seems someone found out they're 20 years old and hence ineligible to play high school sports.
  65. @Hacienda
    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It's become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There's never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No "white knight" for whites.

    I've gotten into a scuffle with black bullies a couple times. But eventually learned the body language that prevents blacks from coming at you. It's a learned thing, almost like choreography. Too submissive and your bound to get bullied. Too brash, you're asking for it. Too nerdy is an invitation.
    Best thing is not to have them around, unless you're into that kind of thing.

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction.

    Most normal children raised in intact, stable homes (meaning, most white and Asian children) avoid conflict and aggression. In fact, most people do. Most people are sheep. It’s the rational thing to do, unless and until it becomes “Danegeld.”

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    I saw plenty of rough-and-tumble white kids while I was young. Some were incredibly tough children. But most stuck up for themselves, not for the bullied. That’s the way of the world.

    I was blessed to have parents who were a bit different. My father absolutely hated losing and inculcated me in the “never say die” attitude (if someone broke my arm, he was all “well, hit him with the arm and show him he didn’t hurt ya and that he only made you angrier”). My mother was extremely civic-minded and taught me to care about other people. So, growing up, I fancied myself a sheepdog. Some of my favorite films when I was a child were “High Noon” and “Shane.”

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    I've never seen white knighting. Even when blacks aren't involved. In the cases where whites bully other whites, they don't step in. So it's strange to see "yellow" knighting. Cutting edge stuff. Not something I'm unfamiliar with. I've done it a couple of times myself. Intervening on behalf of whites. Actually, for white girls. Thinking back on it. I'd never intervene if a guy was being bullied. That's just silliness.
    That you'd do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.
  66. @Bill

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    Wasn't true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.

    Wasn’t true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.

    One of the reasons why I home schooled my children. They all started Judo and Shotokan Karate starting age five. And started shooting at age six. They would not have lasted in a public school.

  67. @Corvinus
    "I was not a bully, but I was one of those high aggression, high IQ, high sociability children..."

    I went to high school with you. You were NOT the person you described. It must be short story time with Mrs. Harper.

    I went to high school with you. You were NOT the person you described. It must be short story time with Mrs. Harper.

    You got me. Isn’t the internet a place where a strapping middle aged Asian six footer is actually a five foot teenage Latina?

    Which year was your class at Stuy?

  68. @Kentuckian
    I went to public schools in Atlanta from the 8th grade on up, and let me tell you, I'm sure glad I got in after the majority of my growth spurt had finished.

    I'm fairly sure it's an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child's view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one "scuffles" than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context. If a White kid were to get into a fist fight with a black kid, and trip and fall backwards, he could very well find himself in a split second getting kicked on the ground by three other boys in a matter of seconds.

    In all the fights I've watched White guys get into it's usually some fists being thrown, maybe some ground and pound, and the other White guys in the vicinity either standing around or actively trying to break up the fight. If you get into fights with White guys, you usually don't have to worry about a 3rd or 4th participant jumping in just to kick your head into some concrete while you're still wrestling the original combatant.

    So, it's not surprising that White kids who have go to school around blacks learn that the path of least resistance is just to learn to scurry about like mice and avoid confrontation.

    So, as a guy with pretty decent school-fights and martial arts experience, and if you have a little White or Asian snowflake having to school around blacks (which, sadly, is an increasing experience), my recommendation for their safety is good wrestling skills. Boxing is very good as well, teaching them to take a punch and protect their head, but the priority should for your child should be to always stay on their feet. So, if he clinches his primary combatant, he will need know how to keep a solid base and footing so as not to get taken to the ground. If he trips and falls during a fight it doesn't really matter if he has excellent submission wrestling skills and could finish down there, since he could seriously hurt himself if he were to fall on concrete (a common way fights cause serious injury) and if a few of the black teen's buddies are hanging about while he's ground and pounding he could quickly find himself being showered with kicks to the head and then it's game over. If he stays on his feet, he might get a bloody nose or a tough shot to the gut, but he'll still have the opportunity to beat feet if things look bad or until a teacher or school cop can break up the fight.

    I’m fairly sure it’s an established fact that (and my anecdotal observations support this) black children start puberty roughly a year earlier than White children. Around grades 5-9, that can have a immense affect on a child’s view of the racial-bully hierarchy during their hormonal formative years, as the black kids simply have a whole year start on size and testosterone before White kids have an opportunity to catch up in size and aggression.

    I think this does play a large role. And Asian children start puberty even later than white kids on average. So black-on-Asian violence at schools is very common where the two groups co-exist.

    Something unique to black bullying that I learned one should be aware of as a school boy (or girl for that matter) is that black kids are far less likely to have one-on-one “scuffles” than other races. Instead, they pack attack, almost instinctively and with little warning, and often in fights that they themselves know little in terms of its context.

    My experience definitely lends credence to this. Pack attacks were not unknown among white or Asian young thugs (as I mentioned before, a group of Chinese street gang kids put a merciless beating on me), but were much more of the norm among black delinquents. I’ve had several run-ins with them. But in most cases, they turned and fled when I cracked the first few. Packs build courage, but they also spread fear quickly too.

  69. @Anonymous

    Twinkie said:

    Came in very handy later when overseas for king and country. The vast majority of opponents, whether bullies in NYC or bad guys overseas, was often surprised and mentally paralyzed by decisive, fast, phlegmatic aggression.
     
    You can't engage in the aggression found in violent cultures and places for very long. It will end badly. Go to Best Gore and watch brutal Brazilian prison fights/riots. Or machete fights in the Dominican Republic. Or people burned alive in third-world Latin American or African countries. If you live with this mentality you will attract it.

    You can’t engage in the aggression found in violent cultures and places for very long. It will end badly. Go to Best Gore and watch brutal Brazilian prison fights/riots. Or machete fights in the Dominican Republic. Or people burned alive in third-world Latin American or African countries. If you live with this mentality you will attract it.

    What mentality is that?

    I’m retired now and don’t do time in “Indian country,” so I am pretty safe. And I live in an affluent area and follow the lessons of Derbyshire’s “The Talk: The Nonblack version” so I avoid trouble.

    Also, having children has made me much more averse to risk. I follow my own professional advice regarding interpersonal conflict in a civilian setting: avoid, evade, escape, fight – in that order of preference.

    Still, compared to the bulk of the population, I am pretty much armed to the teeth (CCP, BUG, pocket knives, paracord, flashlight on me, and food/water/medkit/long gun in the trunk where legally permitted). I won’t ever start a confrontation, but if I am forced into one to defend myself or the innocent around me, I will not hesitate and hit fast and hit hard… As artillerists say shoot and scoot, shoot and scoot.

    At home, I do what I taught my wife and kids – collect them, retreat to the safe room (which has a reinforced door), barricade, point my Rem 870 at the door from an off angle. Call the police and ask them to clear the house (I keep my old cell phones charged as spares – they can all make 911 calls). I also keep a fire extinguisher and a rope ladder in case there is a fire.

    And I won’t describe my bugout setup online. The crazy thing is that I have friends and acquaintances with a much more elaborate setup/plans in case of large scale disturbances/emergencies. They make me look like a Quaker pacifist.

  70. @Bill

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction. At least in the schoolyards. There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    Wasn't true back when I was in school. Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.

    Of course, nowadays there is pretty extreme affirmative action in school discipline. If whitey defends himself, he is in serious trouble.

    Im guessing an individual defending himself is probably acceptable but two or more in concert?

  71. @E. Rekshun
    I as too busy to bully younger kids, When I was 15, I was busy working after school pumping gas so I could by a car when I turned 16. And when I turned 16, I was busy having sex with my girlfriend in the back of my '69 Camaro.

    Some discussion on black & White school yard fights here... Well, I'm far from school age, but the other day I was walking out of the public library during my lunch break. I recognized an attractive mid-20s light-complected black woman that works at a 7-11 that I frequent, and I casually said "hello." There was a 20 y/o black male with her and I didn't really give him a thought, but by their casual demeanor, I took him for her brother. He was about my exact size 6-0, 165 lbs., wearing a McDonalds uniform. Well, the guy went ballistic when I said "hello" to the woman. He had a "chimpout" and started making aggressive gestures and got very loud. I immediately got "hot" and headed right for him at a determined pace. He then seemed to quickly be having second thoughts, but so did I - I thought: here I am at 12:30 in the afternoon on a sunny weekday, in front of the public library, I don't want to get my $150 Bostonian wingtips scuffed up (or bloody), I've got a meeting with the Finance Director in a plush corporate office in 30 minutes (+snacks), and I'm 50 years old. We both calmed down, got in our respective cars, and drove away.

    I immediately got “hot” and headed right for him at a determined pace. He then seemed to quickly be having second thoughts

    Vaguely similar – I was walking past a couple of (white) youths recently and they were talking to each other and suddenly their tone changed and I knew they were talking about me. I immediately changed direction and walked straight towards them, at an increased pace, and they shut up. I then switched back onto my original path, never said a word to them and no more talking to be heard.

    Of course if I will insist on wandering the streets naked…

  72. @Hacienda
    When I was four my grandmother took me to a Korean traditional play (like Japanese Noh) at the grandest Korean theater of that time. This kind of theatre is absolutely different from
    Western theatre. Doesn't have a story-line necessarily. Good guy/bad guy which is artificial and obstrusive. You are in the moment, the moment is eternal. In its eternity, however you can't help but see into the heart of the actor and the situation he is in. Body language as total communication. Absolutely mysterious and mesmerizing.

    There are really strong archetypes- the soldier, the farmer, the politician, the courtesan, the student, etc. Much of it relies on hand movements, subtle twists of the head, angles, positioning of limbs, adhesion to rythmns. Tone, modulation, and speed of speech. All these create emotional pitch and approbriate energy levels.

    Make a long story short. You've got to communicate the right harmonics to the blacks that might
    do you ill. Eastern theatrics are great for that. Won't work all the time, nothing has perfect success.

    Re: blacks and grade. Yeah, a local high school just dismissed two black football players in their junior year, the running back and receiver, from the team. Seems someone found out they’re 20 years old and hence ineligible to play high school sports.

  73. @Twinkie

    When I first went to a largely white elementary school I was shocked at the amount of bullying white kids would endure from black kids. It’s become a syndrome of white/black interaction.
     
    Most normal children raised in intact, stable homes (meaning, most white and Asian children) avoid conflict and aggression. In fact, most people do. Most people are sheep. It's the rational thing to do, unless and until it becomes "Danegeld."

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.
     
    I saw plenty of rough-and-tumble white kids while I was young. Some were incredibly tough children. But most stuck up for themselves, not for the bullied. That's the way of the world.

    I was blessed to have parents who were a bit different. My father absolutely hated losing and inculcated me in the "never say die" attitude (if someone broke my arm, he was all "well, hit him with the arm and show him he didn't hurt ya and that he only made you angrier"). My mother was extremely civic-minded and taught me to care about other people. So, growing up, I fancied myself a sheepdog. Some of my favorite films when I was a child were "High Noon" and "Shane."

    I’ve never seen white knighting. Even when blacks aren’t involved. In the cases where whites bully other whites, they don’t step in. So it’s strange to see “yellow” knighting. Cutting edge stuff. Not something I’m unfamiliar with. I’ve done it a couple of times myself. Intervening on behalf of whites. Actually, for white girls. Thinking back on it. I’d never intervene if a guy was being bullied. That’s just silliness.
    That you’d do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    That you’d do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.
     
    I know you meant well, and thanks for that, but that's so FAR from "hero stuff" that it's not even funny. My heroes are people like Wild Bill Donovan, not someone who just looked out for his chums at school and beat up a few wilding black kids.
  74. @William Badwhite
    "Lurker says:

    There’s never a white kid who will stand up for the other white kids. No “white knight” for whites.

    No, because that would be ‘racism’ and white kids will learn that pretty fast.

    That might have been different in an earlier era but of course black kids wouldnt have been let near white kids."

    Growing up in Virginia in the 70's and 80's we struggled with how to deal with the "black pack attack". Nobody liked being a coward and ducking them, but it wasn't possible to get a fair fight with a black kid, their friends always would jump in. So you learned to avoid conflict. Until our junior year of high school - I'm not sure why it finally clicked but one day a white guy (football player, pretty big guy) squared off with a black kid and was getting the best of him...sure enough, here come three other blacks to pile on. But then here come three whites to square off with them. Add some more blacks, counter with an equal number of whites, and presto, instant race riot. I don't recall the exact numbers but it was something like 8 on 8.

    I was walking down the hall and saw it going on, so was in the 2nd wave of whites into the fight (i was also a football player and was friends with all those white guys) and I have to say, it was exhilarating! The guy I was fighting had fear in his eyes (not that I was a great fighter, I just think he'd never fought anybody 1-on-1 before) and kept trying to punch while giving ground. All the while running his mouth..."come on..do something m*&$% f*&^er...You gonna get whooped..." that type of thing. He'd throw a big roundhouse while backing up, I'd side step it and punch him in the stomach. Then he'd "yeah come on do something punk"...lol...I tried to back him into a stairwell hoping he'd fall down it but he circled back into the hallway. I eventually backed him into a doorway with a locked door and pummeled the shit out of him. I even kicked him in the balls. He finally tried to curl up cannonball-style and I couldn't find much to hit other than the top of his head or his arms.

    Eventually some coaches and the principal got it broken up. This was the mid 80's, before guns were the logical next step.

    About 3 days later, a bunch of older (late teens and 20's) blacks that didn't go to the school showed up and picked off a couple random white kids outside (uninvolved in the original fight so they were bewildered and must have been terrified). It was during our lunch, so we quickly organized 20 or so white kids and went to confront them (one huge white guy that was a defensive lineman ripped the antenna off one of their cars and was whipping the guy with it, over and over and over...definitely some savagery). Within a minute or two it seemed like the entire county police force came fish-tailing into the parking lot. There must have been 8 or 10 police cruisers. The outside blacks were mostly arrested for trespassing, the white kids given various forms of suspension or other punishments (I got two weeks of "in school" suspension). No punishment for the blacks that had instigated the whole thing.

    The rest of the school year was pretty calm. It was like the message "ok they'll fight back" was received and they found something else to do. This was pre immivasion so it was just whites and blacks and some recent arrival Vietnamese. The Vietnamese mostly kept to themselves but definitely wouldn't take any crap from the blacks so they were left alone too.

    Your story made my day!

    When I was 12, I got jumped by two puerto rican teenagers. Later that day, my younger brother and I saw them walking down the street and they ran away into a maze of lower-income apartment buildings when we started to give chase.

  75. @Art Deco
    Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths.

    When you find yourself saying things like this, you might try inserting the name of some person as the subject and see if it still makes sense. As in, "Jimmy Carter is a complete sociopath" or "David Dinkins is a complete sociopath" or "Bobby Jindal is a complete sociopath". (Of course, this method is only useful if one is not a compleat loon).

    Calm down, it was understandable hyperbole. Politics in these environments tends to lead to more sociopathic personalities making it to the top. Rahm Emmanuel is a classic example of that, and lo and behold he is the object of Sailer’s post here. Find something else to pedantically bitch about.

  76. “I’ve seen Rahm in person. Saying he’s 5’7″ is an exaggeration. He’s more like about 5’5″, about as short as an adult caucasian male can get without being considered a midget.”

    Would you consider Danny De Vito to be a midget by Caucasian standards ? He is a good 5 inches shorter than Rahm Emanuel.

  77. “I think this does play a large role. And Asian children start puberty even later than white kids on average. So black-on-Asian violence at schools is very common where the two groups co-exist.”

    I remember a Black thug in New Orleans was shot and killed for trying to burglarize a White man’s home. The dead thug was either 14 or 15, but when I saw his picture he looked like he was 30.

    On the other hand some East Asian/Southeast Asian women who actually are 30 still look like they can pass for 15, lol.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    On the other hand some East Asian/Southeast Asian women who actually are 30 still look like they can pass for 15, lol.
     
    Hey, hey, that goes for men too.

    People say that I look at least then years younger than I am. It helps that I am fit and live cleanly, and have a full set of thick hair on top (no longer all dark, but still better any hair than nothing). But genetics definitely play a strong role. I am also pretty hairy for an East Asian. I got pretty substantial chest hair, which used to draw some puzzled commentary in the locker rooms.

    I did drink copiously when I was younger, but cleaned up completely after I married. I think that pretty much extended my life by several decades (my paternal side puts Irish alcoholics to shame).
  78. Art Deco,

    Hopefully you are trolling and not really that naive about sociopathic behavior and traits. Maybe Jimmy Carter applies to the 1 percent exception from your list, but we don’t know how he behaved behind the scenes, either. If you are going to try and argue that the Clintons, the Bushes, LBJ, Harry Reid, Bloomberg, McConnell, Boehner, etc are not sociopaths, then politics is too grown up for you to be discussing.

  79. “Would you consider Danny De Vito to be a midget…”?
    Yup, pretty much. Definitely not in the normal range. The criteria of the medical profession might be different though.

  80. @Hacienda
    I've never seen white knighting. Even when blacks aren't involved. In the cases where whites bully other whites, they don't step in. So it's strange to see "yellow" knighting. Cutting edge stuff. Not something I'm unfamiliar with. I've done it a couple of times myself. Intervening on behalf of whites. Actually, for white girls. Thinking back on it. I'd never intervene if a guy was being bullied. That's just silliness.
    That you'd do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.

    That you’d do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.

    I know you meant well, and thanks for that, but that’s so FAR from “hero stuff” that it’s not even funny. My heroes are people like Wild Bill Donovan, not someone who just looked out for his chums at school and beat up a few wilding black kids.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    Not that far. Standing up leaves an impression. My biggest hero is Yi Sun Shin. You did some micro-Yi activity.
  81. @Jefferson
    "I think this does play a large role. And Asian children start puberty even later than white kids on average. So black-on-Asian violence at schools is very common where the two groups co-exist."

    I remember a Black thug in New Orleans was shot and killed for trying to burglarize a White man's home. The dead thug was either 14 or 15, but when I saw his picture he looked like he was 30.

    On the other hand some East Asian/Southeast Asian women who actually are 30 still look like they can pass for 15, lol.

    On the other hand some East Asian/Southeast Asian women who actually are 30 still look like they can pass for 15, lol.

    Hey, hey, that goes for men too.

    People say that I look at least then years younger than I am. It helps that I am fit and live cleanly, and have a full set of thick hair on top (no longer all dark, but still better any hair than nothing). But genetics definitely play a strong role. I am also pretty hairy for an East Asian. I got pretty substantial chest hair, which used to draw some puzzled commentary in the locker rooms.

    I did drink copiously when I was younger, but cleaned up completely after I married. I think that pretty much extended my life by several decades (my paternal side puts Irish alcoholics to shame).

  82. @Twinkie

    That you’d do it on behalf of nerd power is hero stuff.
     
    I know you meant well, and thanks for that, but that's so FAR from "hero stuff" that it's not even funny. My heroes are people like Wild Bill Donovan, not someone who just looked out for his chums at school and beat up a few wilding black kids.

    Not that far. Standing up leaves an impression. My biggest hero is Yi Sun Shin. You did some micro-Yi activity.

  83. “If you are going to try and argue that the Clintons, the Bushes, LBJ, Harry Reid, Bloomberg, McConnell, Boehner, etc are not sociopaths, then politics is too grown up for you to be discussing.”

    For sure. Need to include Obama in the list. One of the worst–cannot tell the truth; lies when he doesn’t even have to. The only president, probably, whose ENTIRE image is a lie (well he is partly black, but aside from that.) LBJ may be the worst though, in actual behavior–read the “Colossos” by Nelson. Well researched. I’d heard the stories, before, but the sheer quantity made me suddenly realize what an evil psycho he was. Also gives a new perspective on the infamous Israeli attack on the “Liberty”, somewhat explaining, if not exonerating, Israel’s actions. LBJ would have gone straight to prison had he not become president. The Billy Sol Estes and Bobby Baker scandals alone would have done it.

  84. @BehindTheLines
    This does not surprise me one bit.

    The story we were told by the left was that bullies were people with low self-esteem. When psychologists started getting real data, they found that bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims' suffering. In other words, they are assholes. Which anyone with any insight into human nature would have known.

    “bullies (1) have higher than average self-esteem, and (2) derive pleasure from their victims’ suffering. In other words, they are assholes. ”

    Nowadays the preferred term is psychopaths. Society should be protecting itself from them, but instead it elects them to the highest offices in the land over and over.

  85. @Art Deco
    Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths.

    When you find yourself saying things like this, you might try inserting the name of some person as the subject and see if it still makes sense. As in, "Jimmy Carter is a complete sociopath" or "David Dinkins is a complete sociopath" or "Bobby Jindal is a complete sociopath". (Of course, this method is only useful if one is not a compleat loon).

    I would ask you to carefully review the circumstances in which Adlai Stevenson (then aged 12) killed 16 year old Ruth Merwin by shooting her in the forehead. He aimed the gun at her.

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  87. […] The patriotic Israeli Rahm Emanual didn’t actually say that, but it perfectly reflects his Machiavellian character. It also describes how free speech in Britain is now going to be attacked by the shabbos shiksa […]

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