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From the Jewish Telegraphic Agency wire service:

A history of the radical Jewish feminists and the one subject they never talked about
BY PENNY SCHWARTZ, DECEMBER 7, 2018 1:55 PM

BROOKLINE, Mass. (JTA) — Heather Booth, Amy Kesselman, Vivian Rothstein and Naomi Weisstein. The names of these bold and influential radical feminists may have faded in recent years, but they remain icons to students of the women’s liberation movement of the early 1960s and to generations of women activists since.

The Gang of Four, as they dubbed themselves, were among the founders of Chicago’s Women’s Liberation Union. They were disillusioned by their less-than-equal status — among the men in their leftist political circles and in society at large. Eager to confront the patriarchal norms and systemic sexism around them, they began meeting in a West Side Chicago living room, talking about all aspects of their lives.

Over weeks, months and years, no subject went unturned, from the political to the sexual to the personal. They were “ready to turn the world upside down,” recalled Weisstein, an influential psychologist, neuroscientist and academic who died in 2015.

But one subject never came up: the Jewish backgrounds of the majority of the group.

“We never talked about it,” Weisstein said.

Until Joyce Antler came calling — 45 years later.

About seven years ago Antler, a pioneering scholar in American and women’s studies and professor emerita of Brandeis University, reached out to Weisstein and others in the collective and asked what role their Jewish identities played in their early activist days as radical feminists.

The prevalence of Jews in leftist groups and the women’s liberation movement was embarrassing and something to hide, Weisstein elaborated in lengthy phone conversations with Antler. To claim a Jewish identity countered the universalist vision and the broad social and political causes embraced by their movement.

The story of the Gang of Four is told in the opening pages of “Radical Jewish Feminists: Voices from the Women’s Liberation Movement” (New York University Press), a captivating and timely new book by Antler that brings to light, for the first time, the ways in which feminist trailblazers were influenced by their divergent and often unspoken Jewish backgrounds. …

“It is shocking, isn’t it?” Antler observed about the fact that this story has gone under the radar for so long. …

Her new book tells two related stories: of Jewish women who looked outward to address universal feminist causes, and of Jewish women who, beginning in the 1970s, confronted male-dominated Jewish institutions, both religious and communal. …

It wasn’t easy for the women who challenged the traditional Jewish hierarchy.

“They often had to turn against their so-called allies and mentors,” Antler said, “and their struggles were often very difficult.”

Universal feminists faced their own struggles. Among the reasons the early radical Jewish feminists avoided the subject of their Jewish identity was that as young women, many in their 20s, they were rebelling against identities they associated with their mothers, Antler said….

She was keenly aware of the involvement of individual Jewish women in radical feminism, but it was not until about 20 years ago that she began to appreciate the significant numbers. Antler estimates that two-thirds to three-quarters of the women in some collectives were Jewish.

“To have this connection and this history so buried and so underground, we lose the significance of what this tradition has meant and what these women have done,” she reflected.

As I wrote earlier this year in Taki’s Magazine:

While Jews tend to pride themselves on being intellectually fractious—“Ask two Jews, get three opinions”—their survival as a nation for thousands of years is a testament to their impressive penchant for defusing internal disputes by picking fights with external enemies. …

In the U.S., intra-Jewish hostilities tend to get transmuted into critiques of society as a whole. In the post-War era, for instance, many high-IQ young Jewish women chafed under their parents investing more lavishly in the education of their brothers. A Jewish comedienne joked that at gatherings of aging Jewish mothers, the second-favorite boast, after “My son the doctor,” was “My daughter drove me.”

Not surprisingly, bright Jewish women such as Betty Friedan, Shulamith Firestone, Rosalyn Baxandall, Susan Brownmiller, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Bella Abzug, and Andrea Dworkin tended to be the leaders in the feminist revolution of a half century ago. Also not surprisingly, however, their intra-Jewish resentments of their parents’ Jewish patriarchalism have largely been hushed up, with men or society in general being blamed instead.

 
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  1. Twinkie says:

    Are you suggesting that Jewish women are overrepresented amongst the ranks of the most shrill feminists and Jewish men are overrepresented among sexual harassers and predators, but the price of their behaviors is mostly paid by gentiles?

  2. Tyrion 2 says:

    Among the reasons the early radical Jewish feminists avoided the subject of their Jewish identity was that as young women, many in their 20s, they were rebelling against identities they associated with their mothers

    A lot of people’s motivations for political beliefs are personal, as in from their actual relationships. This is doubly true for women and doubly again so for feminist types.

    Smart people tend to try to obscure the above from others and plausibly from themselves as it renders meaningless their beliefs.

    It seems pretty clear that these women had some sort of issue with their mothers and so could not bring themselves to talk about anything directly related. It would be too much self-realisation.

    I’d guess, given the direction of their politics, that their mothers were kind dutiful types and the daughters had both the dissonant fear of being inferior to them while also lacking respect for the way they put up wih whatever gruff behaviour their fathers exhibited.

    I’ve seen this specific instance before, but it is also generally true that people’s deepest motivations tend to remain unspoken.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    , @Lagertha
  3. This reminds me of an old post by our friend Priss Factor.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-cultural-studies-retractions/

    War of the Sexes is essentially a war between Jewish men and Jewish women but fought on the battleground of the goy body.
    No bunch of men have done more to ‘objectify’ the female body in the modern world than Jews have. Sure, ancient Greeks were into nude statues and Renaissance painters were nude-ists too, but they presented nudity in artful and beautiful manner(though not always).
    But modern Jewish men have often presented the female body in porny ways. I recall Suzanne Somers married some Jewish guy in the 70s.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/suzanne-somers-on-surviving-cancer-gay-men-and-drag-queens-and-of-course-the-thighmaster

    The Jewish guy, Alan Hamel, was interviewed by Barbara Walters in the 70s, and when asked why he married Somers, he said something like “I wondered what she would look like naked.” This was the feminist 70s so, even as a kid, I was shocked that some guy would speak so frankly. But frank he was indeed. I mean no one would marry Somers for her brains, right? But I recall Walters’ disapproving demeanor. It was truly a Portnoyic or Portnographic moment. A Jewish guy married some ‘shikse’ because he was slobbering about thinking about her BODY, not her brains.
    And of course, Marilyn Monroe was the ultimate ‘white meat’. (Ron Rosenbaum should write a piece on that.) Though she tried to educate herself and read books, the only thing that interested Jewish men about her was her tits and ass.
    It’s all there in PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT. It’s not about Jewish men interested in white women’s brains, hearts, or souls. It’s about pretty face, breasts, ass, and pooter. And Jews were heavily involved in porn in Europe and especially in America. And porn was certainly mostly about using white women as OBJECTS of sexual lust.
    So, if any bunch of men did most to objectify the female body, it was Jews. And it was especially the WHITE female body. Conservatives were opposed to porn, and even most white liberals were uneasy with that stuff as wasps were of puritanical background and Catholics were sexually uneasy about such stuff.
    But in images and words, Jewish men were pioneers of openly dealing with male lust issues. And lust was about the body, not about the brains.
    Hollywood had many glamorous stars. But in the old days, censorship dampened and restrained open sexuality. But with the end of censorship in the late 60s and early 70s, the female body could be fully ‘objectified’ and ‘commoditized’ as sexual playthings. And Jewish men were at the forefront of this. Even blaxploitation movies that promoted interracism were mostly made by Jewish men.
    Though it was about lust, some Jewish porn-meisters sought intellectual justification by invoking Freud. So, it was healthy and natural for men to openly lust after female bodies and confess their ‘boing’-ish desires. Russ Meyers!
    Since Jewish women had big noses and were overly brainy, Jewish men were Portnoic in their lust for white shikse, especially the blondes. It’s like the guy in HEARTBREAK KID has no interest in Cybil Sheperd’s brains. It’s all her about sex appeal. And Peter Bogdanovich was nuts about Cybil Sheperd, divorced his first wife, and married her. Later he went after Dorothy Stratton, another blonde hottie tottie(who ended up badly, killed by jealous hubby; idiot thought he could ride her sex appeal to fame, not realizing that her fame would serve as a wedge between her and him; why would a woman hang with a loser when winner-men are after her?)
    In terms of racial dynamics, white Jewish men preferred to ‘objectify’ the white female, but when it came to blacks they preferred to ‘objectify’ the black male. Black women could sing, and they had fit bodies, but their faces looked too funky-wunky. So, black women weren’t really objects of sexual desire. In contrast, black men were winning in sports, the most prominent domain of male competition in the American mythology. Since promoting black male as the New Tough Man had a wussifying effect on white males, Jewish men did so, albeit with some trepidation(as, like Donald Sterling, Jewish men were also intimidated by blacks.) On the one hand, Jewish men enjoyed watching white guys get beaten and pushed aside by black males. They enjoyed the spectacle of white women going off with black men and making white guys feel like a bunch of losers. As Jews remembered how they’d been ‘dissed’ by snobby Wasps and big strong ‘polacks’(who stole lunch money), they got their racial-sexual vengeance through blacks. Especially because blacks worked for Jews in sports and media, Jews could even see blacks as their sexual-cultural agents. (Though white gentile hostility toward Jews has been greatly exaggerated, Jewish sensitivity is understandable since negative experiences or perceptions are more long-lasting and impacting than positive or mundane experiences. If a Jew has experiences with a 100 wasps, and if 98 treat him nice or normally while 2 really put him down, his experiences with the 2 will have a more powerfully long-lasting effect than his experience with the 98. It’s like most movie audience could be quiet and well-behaved and only a handful could be rowdy and disruptive, but you’re more likely to remember the rowdy ones than the fact that most audience members were quiet and normal. Jewish sensitivity is also paranoid to some extent. Oftentimes, it wasn’t a matter of how wasps really treated Jews but how Jews suspected wasps were feeling about Jews. It’s like the scene in CARRIE where Carrie thinks everyone is laughing at her at the prom when most of them were not.)
    And yet, the Jewish male all-out-objectification of the female coincided with the rise of feminism that was dominated by Jewish women. So, Jewish men were going out of their way to promote the image of the women as a big-tits-ass-pooter, and Jewish women were bitching about how the woman was being ‘objectified’ than admired for her brains and heart. But what Jewish women left out of their criticism was that Jewish men were the main players in the ‘objectification’ of women. They also failed to mention that Jewish men ‘objectified’ white women as objects of lust than any other women. (On the one hand, brainy Jewish women were insulted that women were being seen primarily as sexual trophies than as intellectual/creative equals of men. On the other hand, they were envious of the fact that blonde shikses with pretty looks were idolized by Jewish men. To brainy and big-nosed Jewish women, Jewish male fixation on the ‘shikse’ was like worship of false idols. Instead of respecting Jewish female intellectual ‘spirit’, Jewish men were drooling over tits and ass of white women.)
    Jewish men and Jewish women were battling one another, but the Jewish aspect of this was hidden, and the debate was turned into an abstract one of ‘patriarchy’ vs ‘women’s liberation’. But if anything, traditional patriarchy had disapproved of the sexual objectification of women and denounced Jewish role in vice industries.
    So often, the core battle is really among Jews, but it’s goyim who are used as battleground and it’s goyim who are recruited as cannon fodder(and who ultimately get the blame).
    We see this with Liberal Zionist vs Neocons too. Both sides are Jewish and have common interests, but they differ on strategy and tactics. But instead of just arguing Jew-vs-Jew, they use goy fronts and buffers so that the argument seems to be between ‘Democrats’ and ‘Republicans’, even though most gentiles, if left to their own devices, wouldn’t give a crap about stuff that Jews care about so much. If not for Jewish media domination, most Americans wouldn’t care about middle east problems or Ukraine.
    Since Jews want us to do their bidding, the Jewish family feud becomes our feud, and because we gentiles end up fighting one another, paradoxically the Jewish antagonists draw closer.
    Imagine a Jewish man and Jewish woman bickering with one another and boiling with anger. But instead of keeping it to themselves, the Jewish man persuades a whole bunch of gentile men to argue on his behalf, and the Jewish woman does the same with a whole bunch of gentile women to do likewise on her behalf. In time, idiot gentile men and idiot gentile women are at each other’s throats, and the Jewish man and Jewish woman look upon the big fight with amusement and laugh together.
    We might as well be living in cartoon world.

    Here was Steve Sailer’s response.

    Pretty much.

  4. Maybe they couldn’t use “I’m Jewish” as a club against their opponents back then?

  5. AndrewR says:
    @Twinkie

    Suggesting such a thing would literally be another shoah…

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
  6. They want it both ways, taking credit and avoiding blame at the same time.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Joe Walker
  7. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Your post contradicts itself. If the dozen or so #MeToo cases of Jewish men making clumsy pathetic attempts at flirting are only directed at Gentiles, then what motivation would this give Jewish women for becoming shrill feminists? They feel left out not being begged to watch some walrus masturbate in the shower?

  8. bjdubbs says:

    Aren’t Jews the leaders in every social movement? So the fact that there were a lot of Jewish feminists, is that surprising at all? There are probably more Jewish feminists than Jewish environmentalists as a proportion of the movement, but there are probably plenty of both. Jews tend to be the leaders of every social movement on the left, so it would only be surprising if there weren’t that many Jewish feminists.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Joe Walker
  9. Anti-semitism is illegal. Your done. I’m calling the FBI on you, Sailor-boy! Say “hi” to your future cell-mate, Drumpf. And don’t drop the soap around Bubba.

  10. Daniel H says:

    >>“It is shocking, isn’t it?” Antler observed about the fact that this story has gone under the radar for so long. …

    Kevin McDonald, as a naive, outsider undergraduate at Wisconsin, Madison, sussed all this out in 1966 or so. How far under the radar could it have been? for anybody who was in the least curious. And there was a price to pay for an outsider like MacDonald to notice things.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Joe Walker
  11. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow just wow. Sailer is literally Hitler. I’m literally shaking rn

  12. Tyrion 2 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Alternatively, Jews aren’t as obsessed with being Jewish as you are with Jews and Jews are not actually the cause of everything that ever happens, everyone has just as much agency.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
  13. Tyrion 2 says:
    @william munny

    That’s what basically everyone wants. But how pathetic is the person who wants to assign all agency, good and bad, to the most alien (to them)?

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
  14. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Daniel H

    And yet 99.9% of people involved in that milieu think MacDonald is a despicable lunatic.

  15. @Tyrion 2

    It’s been pointed out that a number of early feminists had crappy husbands or fathers – so, instead of saying that “my husband is crappy” or “my father is crappy,” they say, “men are crappy.” They project on society their own personal misfortunes.

  16. @JohnnyWalker123

    I mean no one would marry Somers for her brains, right?

    I’ve been following Suzanne Somers low carb diet for 20 years.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Reg Cæsar
  17. IHTG says:
    @Tyrion 2

    They feel left out not being begged to watch some walrus masturbate in the shower?

    Well, possibly.

  18. Going by the photo from the book cover, I can see why that one became a feminist.

    There should be a “viewer discretion is advised” warning.

  19. neutral says:
    @Tyrion 2

    then what motivation would this give Jewish women for becoming shrill feminists

    Sometimes the inherent nature is what drives one to do the things they do. Feminism could only have come from them, no different to how Marx, Soros, Freud, Ayn Rand, etc, could not come about from any other heritage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. Whiskey says: • Website

    Wrong on every count Steve. Jewish identity is keyed upon literacy among non literate people. Which is why it is falling apart now.

    And the war between men and women is due to undersupply of Alphas and too much bargaining power by women amplified by female consumer mass media.

    You get the same war in Japan and Iran so no Jews are not the original sin. It’s the pill, condom and ad driven female mass media.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  21. One can only speculate as to the number of people who use politics as a way of exorcising their personal demons i.e. as a form of group therapy. It says here that they probably constitute the majority.

  22. jim jones says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I seem to recall that Vox day has similarly nutty beliefs about diet

  23. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Plus, what a great career: Professor of Kvetching Studies. Don’t be an ordinary whiner; “earn” a PhD in it – on men’s dimes (net taxpayers), no less. Paid to bitch! But they still jill-off to Fifty Shades [snicker]. Also, I want my damn foreskin back, you perverts.

  24. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘I really love to live beside you, baby – I love your body and your spirit and your….clothes

    Leonard Cohen spells it out in ‘First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.

  25. @Tyrion 2

    What percent of people in 1400 thought the sun revolved around the earth?

  26. Thea says:

    How are these small fringe movements of neurotic outsiders able to so easily unset the social order? Even if a return to traditional roles and Christian public life were achieved, the modern west appears vulnerable to these really outlandish groups.

    • Replies: @inertial
    , @dfordoom
  27. BB753 says:

    The thing they never talked about was how much they enjoyed having sex with men.

  28. Mr. Anon says:

    Over weeks, months and years, no subject went unturned, from the political to the sexual to the personal. They were “ready to turn the world upside down,” recalled Weisstein, an influential psychologist, neuroscientist and academic who died in 2015.

    It never occurs to these people that most people don’t want their world turned upside down.

  29. @Tyrion 2

    They feel left out not being begged to watch some walrus masturbate in the shower?

    All women are attention whores and Jewish women even more than others. What you may think of as “bad” attention is still better than no attention at all to Jewish women. They may like seeing female goys humiliated but they still resent the attention these women get from Jewish men. Like Sailer has talked about, the Yentas don’t want to attack Jewish men publicly (and maybe not even privately), so they attack Goyim society (Western civilization/Christendom) as a whole as being the source of their problems with their own men. While almost all public #metoo cases are Jewish men as perps, I don’t know that anyone outside the far right has pointed that out and the general public certainly doesn’t notice that the perps are Jewish.

  30. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And who can forget the famous Jewish pornographer (((Hugh Hefner))), original name, Chaim Hefnersky, who corrupted the morals of so many pure Christian youths? There are liars who say that Hefner was of pure WASP descent, with Mayflower credentials, but we know better.

    And then there was (((Bob Guccione)), ((Larry Flynt)) and so on…. Without these Jew devils the white Christian youth of America would have remained pure and unsullied.

  31. Jack D says:

    Pretty much the same thing went on in the early Soviet Union, before Stalin turned toward anti-Semitism. You would have a bunch of (Jewish) Communists in the room but every one of them was pretending he was not Jewish anymore – he had transcended his roots and was now part of the new Universal faith. I guess the same thing must have happened in the early Church. Judaism is the elephant in the room, the thing that you must never mention because you (and everyone else) in the room has left it behind. There is an unspoken pact never to mention it about anyone else because then they could mention it about you.

    The key to understanding this, as with so many other things that concern the Left, is that feminism is not just a political movement but a new religion and the followers are converts, so they can’t really be said to be Jewish anymore (at least in the religious sense). Maybe there are a few followers who try to fashion a syncretic belief system (a sort of feminist version of Jews for Jesus) where they don’t have to completely renounce the old religion, but for most of them the New Religion is a complete replacement for the old, rejected one. Maybe for some, the rejection is due to “daddy issues” but many believe (and maybe it is just rationalization) that they are now pursuing a higher, better, more universal faith – they are not lashing out against their elders, they have just become more enlightened.

    I think for many here, if these Jewish women had (as they might have a century ago – e.g. Edith Stein) embraced Christianity or Catholicism instead of feminism, their motive would have been viewed less cynically as a rejection of their families and their would have been more acceptance at face value of their professions that they were converting to a higher cause and that their conversion was motivated by love for the new religion rather than by rejection of the old. Real life is complicated and the truth usually lies in the gray areas. “Family issues” are probably a factor in many cases but only one factor, not a complete explanation. Everyone has “family issues”.

  32. In the post-War era, for instance, many high-IQ young Jewish women chafed under their parents investing more lavishly in the education of their brothers.

    Certainly among the NW European descendants in the Upper Midwest of the USA, it’s completely the opposite. Daughters are privileged at the expense of sons, usually getting their college and post-grad (if they want it) paid for, they’ll often get a car with those expenses paid for and they’ll get help with their rent/mortgage throughout their lives as long as they remain unmarried; meanwhile sons can expect to pay rent if they live at home after they graduate high school (I even know of multiple cases where the parents charged rent when their sons turned 18 while still in high school). It’s usually not a case of the parents needing the money from the sons, they actually rationalize that they’re doing their sons a favor. There’s some grumbling about this but that’s about all; it’s largely looked at as being not just a social norm but a social good (it’s never explained how it’s a social good just that it is a social good and may never be questioned).

    • Replies: @Marty T
  33. @bjdubbs

    Jews tend to be the leaders of every social movement on the left, so it would only be surprising if there weren’t that many Jewish feminists.

    True. But it was still a twisted, grievance projecting movement.

    The real scam–and harm–of Jewish feminism, was to “minoritize” women. I.e. to take women and their issues and cast it into the typical Jewish minoritarian/outsider, “we’re oppressed!” mode in order to attack gentile society.

    This was particularly laughable because white gentile women were in fact the least oppressed women on the planet. We simply did not have semitic/tribal or asiatic sexual mores and attitudes. Our women were neither beasts of burdern nor chattel. Rather they were partners responsible for the household/gardern part of the farm, while men took on the heavier ground-breaking and livestock labor. And were–outside royalty–free to chose whom they were a partner with.

    With all the cool labor saving stuff men invented–washers, dryers, dish-washers, canned foods, vacuum cleaners, cake mixes, frozen foods … permanent press, disposable diapers, microwaves, etc. etc.–there was bound to be some changes in sex roles/division of labor. My mom simply had a lot less work to do as a suburban housewife, than my grandmother did on the farm.

    But absent Jews, the hostility, “oppression”, “smash our traditions” (i.e. gentile culture), “smash the patriarchy” (ie. gentile men) crap which has been so destructive to our society could have been largely avoided. We could have had–yes even with women–some at least quasi-rational discussions/arguments about labor, marriage, child care, career tracks while keeping an eye on what’s important to maintaining our civilization.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @ia
  34. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I don’t think anyone disputes that there were gentile pornographers. I think Jewish intellect and energy were on the side of libertinism and obscenity in free speech in that period, and this fostered an environment in which the gentile pornographers you cited could thrive. Opponents of obscenity were not going to be able to out-debate the Jewish intellect and energy on the other side.

  35. @Jack D

    “In his book XXX-Communicated: A Rebel Without a Shul, Luke Ford wrote about a conversation with Goldstein, in which Ford asked Goldstein why Jews were dramatically overrepresented in the porn industry. He answered, “The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. @Jack D

    >And who can forget the famous Jewish pornographer (((Hugh Hefner))), original name, Chaim Hefnersky, who corrupted the morals of so many pure Christian youths? There are liars who say that Hefner was of pure WASP descent, with Mayflower credentials, but we know better.

    >And then there was (((Bob Guccione)), ((Larry Flynt)) and so on…. Without these Jew devils the white Christian youth of America would have remained pure and unsullied.

    Unadulterated nutso comment. Is it a legitimate expression of a crazed mind or possible a troll? From Wikipedia – Flynt was born in Lakeville, Magoffin County, Kentucky, the first of three children to 23-year-old Larry Claxton Flynt Sr. (1919–2005), a sharecropper and a World War II veteran,[3] and 17-year-old Edith (née Arnett; 1925–1982), a homemaker.[4] He had two younger siblings: sister Judy (1947–1951) and brother Jimmy Ray Flynt (born June 20, 1948). His father served in the United States Army in the European Theatre of World War II.

    Ditto from Wikipedia – Guccione was born in Brooklyn, New York of Italian descent, from Sicily and raised Catholic in Bergenfield, New Jersey. His father, Anthony, was an accountant and his mother, Nina, was a housewife. He considered but rejected entering the priesthood.

    ditto from Wikipedia – Hefner was born in Chicago on April 9, 1926, the first child of Grace Caroline (née Swanson; 1895–1997) who worked as a teacher, and Glenn Lucius Hefner (1896–1976), an accountant. His parents were originally from Nebraska. He had a younger brother, Keith (1929–2016). His mother was of Swedish descent, and his father had German and English ancestry.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    , @JMcG
    , @JMcG
  37. @Twinkie

    “Are you suggesting that Jewish women are overrepresented amongst the ranks of the most shrill feminists?”

    As I said a while back … look at the Wiki category “feminists by religion”. There’s certainly a YUGE over-representation of one religion.

    As of early October 2018

    Feminists categorized by known religious (or ethnoreligious) affiliation.
    Subcategories

    This category has the following 8 subcategories, out of 8 total.

    B Buddhist feminists‎ (17 P)
    C Christian feminists‎ (7 C, 35 P)
    H Hindu feminists‎ (1 P)
    I Islamic feminists‎ (69 P)
    J Jewish feminists‎ (277 P)
    S Sikh feminists‎ (2 P)
    U Universalist feminists‎ (1 C)
    W Wiccan feminists‎ (10 P)

  38. Rosie says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    It’s been pointed out that a number of early feminists had crappy husbands or fathers – so, instead of saying that “my husband is crappy” or “my father is crappy,” they say, “men are crappy.” They project on society their own personal misfortunes.

    Sadly, it’s going the other way now, isn’t it?

  39. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    We could have had–yes even with women–some at least quasi-rational discussions/arguments about labor, marriage, child care, career tracks while keeping an eye on what’s important to maintaining our civilization.

    We’d already been having them for generations. What we call feminism didn’t become noxious and hostile until after the rise of the …ahem… new elites in the sixties.

  40. Until Joyce Antler came calling — 45 years later.

    That’s a pretty horny name for a feminist.

    In the U.S., intra-Jewish hostilities tend to get transmuted into critiques of society as a whole.

    Segue into golf, Steve! Golf!

  41. @Steve Sailer

    I’ve been following Suzanne Somers low carb diet for 20 years.

    Whereas Sam Francis followed Dr Atkins for a year or two, then dropped dead.
    Chrissie 1, Atkins 0.

    Perhaps we should pay Jenny McCarthy a little more respect…

  42. @Jack D

    There are liars who say that Hefner was of pure WASP descent, with Mayflower credentials…

    “Janet Pilgrim” was actually a Chicago girl of Polish descent.

    Hefner himself was burned personally. His wife confessed to having had an affair during their engagement, and that devastated him. He spent the rest of his life painting the good girls as bad and the bad girls as good. Muddying the waters, as one Chicago bluesman might have put it.

    His feminist leanings seemed to be quite genuine. He and Gloria Steinem were honored with awards by a magazine group the same year, and at the reception he greeted her warmly and she shunned him. He went through lovers like cigarettes, but was quite paternal to the female aides he wasn’t involved with, and groomed his daughter to take over.

  43. inertial says:
    @Thea

    Most likely because you are confusing cause and effect.

  44. It has been obvious to observant gentiles for 50 years that feminism is mostly a Jewish project, but we dare not say so, since when we say it we’re Nazis and should be ostracized whereas they are welcome to say it as well as to trash evangelicals, Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, Episcopalians, and any other religious or ethnic group that annoys them.
    One day a mutated gentile might find the nerve to state the obvious but for now we keep our mouths shut except on fringe websites.

  45. Kaz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve were you being sarcastic here when you said ‘Pretty much’?

  46. @Anonymouse

    Jack D’s comment was meant to be sarcastic.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  47. You are exactly right. I was thinking the same thing. Imagine a man saddled with a harpy for a wife or taken to the cleaners in a divorce. He rants against women in general instead of facing the reality that he was the victim of one bad woman.

    The dissident right is marred with a great deal of misogyny. Talk about “white sharia” and taking away women’s right to vote.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  48. @Jack D

    Here is a (partial list) of the most powerful and influential porn makers in US history. Even a brief look into their histories makes a guy like Hefner (a scumbag in his own right) look positively saintly. Yes, they are Jewish:

    Reuben Sturman

    Al ““The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that CHRIST SUCKS.” Goldstein

    Steven Hirsch

    David Asimov – found with the largest collection of child porn ever – sentenced to 6 months in prison

    Greg Lansky

    Adam Glasser

    Paul Fishbein

    Pornhub is the largest porn site in the world, and they recently incorporated the Star of David and the menorah into the their logo to celebrate Hanukah (a post I made mentioning this a few days ago was memory holed by Steve) – they are at least partially Jewish owned.

    A few of the most famous male porn stars (there are plenty more) of the modern porn age are Jewish:

    Bryan Matthew Sevilla – aka James Deen

    Ronald Jeremy Hyatt – aka Ron Jeremy

    Andrew Abrams – aka Randy West

    But I guess according to you I’m supposed to ignore these particular patterns because a couple gentiles got into the racket as well or because of some demented rhetoric you or Tyrion are going to come up with in order to perpetuate the profound and palpable state of denial you both choose to live within.

  49. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @william munny

    Not only do they want to avoid blame but they want to persecute those who notice the anti-gentile agenda that many Jews are pursuing.

  50. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    You consider what Roman Polanski did to 13-year-old Samantha Jane Gailey to be nothing more than a clumsy pathetic attempt at flirting?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  51. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @bjdubbs

    Jews always seem to lead movements that either want to destroy or demonize America.

  52. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    If that were true the Jews would ignore MacDonald instead of constantly demonizing him. MacDonald is like the kid in that story about the naked emperor: he is the only one brave enough to speak the truth.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  53. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    But not everyone has as much power as the Jews.

  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Whiskey

    You get the same war in Japan and Iran so no Jews are not the original sin. It’s the pill, condom and ad driven female mass media.

    Pretty much. You can add quick and easy divorce.

  55. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Jews are constantly blaming “anti-Semites” for their problems. If it is alright for Jews to blame gentiles for their problems then it should be alright for gentiles to likewise blame the Jews.

  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thea

    How are these small fringe movements of neurotic outsiders able to so easily unset the social order? Even if a return to traditional roles and Christian public life were achieved, the modern west appears vulnerable to these really outlandish groups.

    The western social order had largely collapsed by the end of the 18th century.

    I blame the French, but then I blame the French for most things. Everything bad in our world originated with the French. Don’t forget that modern feminism began with Simone de Beauvoir.

  57. Jack D says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I never heard of an single one of these guys except for Goldstein (I assume his Christ remark was a joke). But then again I’m not a connoissewer of porn like you seem to be.

    Lots of corporate America puts up Chanukah decorations on their web pages (and stores) even though they are not Jewish owned. They (used to – it seems to be fading) celebrate Kwanzaa too even though they aren’t black either. Anything for a buck.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  58. Reasons for a) Jewish feminism and b) feminism in general, are broadly as follows…

    a) As I recall some Jewish feminist once saying, in a rare moment of candor: “Having sex with a goy/Christian man is like having a right honest fuck. Having sex with a Jewish man is like an uncomfortable hug.” (having dated my share of Jewish girls, I can see how this aperçu has plausibility.) Do all the bizarre psychosexual math. N.B. I didn’t say just do the math; after all we’re talking about Jews. So, do the bizarre psycho-sexual-social-racial-economic-rationalizing math.

    b). With regard to Feminism In General, as it’s preached to the goyim, always keep in mind that the Prime Directive, viz. Is It Good For the Jews?, has a vital corollary:

    If it harms the goyim, then it’s good for the Jews.

    Feminism is therefore Good.

  59. Lagertha says:
    @Twinkie

    J’adore Twinkie! Love you bro!

  60. @Jack D

    “I never heard of an single one of these guys except for Goldstein (I assume his Christ remark was a joke). ”

    You ignorance is irrelevant. And yeah, and I assumed Himmler was a comedian myself.

    But then again I’m not a connoissewer of porn like you seem to be. ”

    LOL – A predictable slander born of your dishonest nature. I know you can’t help it. (but how did you know who goy porn guys were Jack? hmmmmm:

    )

    Come on Jack, that’s all you’ve got? Not much of a refutation from guy known for his multi paragraph justifications.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  61. Lagertha says:
    @Tyrion 2

    but it is also generally true that people’s deepest motivations tend to remain unspoken. This is the conundrum.

    And, people will continue to hate the other tribe that hates them. Ridiculous. I so hate lawyers…(hate them) and wish they will soooo suffer in the ‘next world.’ hahaaaa, kidding, well, maybe not. My father hated lawyers…and, I adored my father – he was smarter than 99.9 of Americans. And, he hated lawyers, seriously…he hated lawyers.

  62. Svigor says:

    While Jews tend to pride themselves on being intellectually fractious—“Ask two Jews, get three opinions”—their survival as a nation for thousands of years is a testament to their impressive penchant for defusing internal disputes by picking fights with external enemies. …

    All of which is testament to Jews’ impressive levels of racism (AKA, “ethnocentrism”), without which this strategy would have catastrophically backfired millennia ago.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  63. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Great, let’s vote on reality now. LOL @ u.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  64. Svigor says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Your ignorance is irrelevant.

    Lulz.

  65. Svigor says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I recently tried jewgling the lyrics to the 12 days of Christmas and the top result was a parody song. IIRC, the whole first page was littered with parody pages, and the only one that even looked legit was full of errors.

  66. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I interviewed for a field tech job with a company that supplied video booth control systems for “jack joints”, or adult bookstores as they were more formally known. The owner was Jewish, but none of the employees were. Most of the client stores were owned by Jews but they appeared to never hire other Jews to work in their stores. I was told by others I knew that worked there that most figured goyim were too dumb or perhaps unstreetwise to rip them off very badly whereas fellow Jews could figure their systems out and do so.

    I was offered the position but turned it down because it just seemed bad karma to me. A month later one of the techs was in one of the stores when someone came in with a shotgun and sprayed buckshot wildly and the tech was hit and paralyzed for life.

    The cash flow these places generated was unreal. Even after a 25 to 50 percent skimoff (the machines used tokens which you bought from a laundry style coin changer, so it was all paper cash income, $10 or $20 bills….) a store with 12 booths might show several hundred thousand a year. Free internet porn killed the business but while it lasted it made millions. The most valuable such stores were in rural areas close by truck stops from what I was told.

  67. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Reuben Sturman

    Reuben Sturman
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reuben Sturman (1924 – October 27, 1997), sometimes referred as the “Walt Disney of Porn”,[1] was an American pornographer and businessman from Ohio. He was featured as a subject in Eric Schlosser’s 2003 book on underground economies, Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs, and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market.

    Sturman, the son of immigrant Russian Jews, grew up on Cleveland’s East Side. He served in the Army Air Corps during World War II and then went on to study at Western Reserve University, graduating in 1948, before starting his own business selling comic books from his car. By the late 1950s, his business had swelled to a major wholesale magazine company with affiliates in several American cities. During the 1960s, Sturman started selling magazines with sexual content, a product he discovered could make profits that outmatched anything that could be achieved by selling any kind of comic book. By the late 1960s, Sturman was the biggest distributor of adult magazines in the U.S.

    His first problems with the authorities started in 1964, when Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents raided a Cleveland warehouse, confiscating copies of a magazine entitled Sex Life of a Cop. This was the start of over two decades of legal difficulties. Though his operations were raided and large volumes of magazines were confiscated on numerous occasions, Sturman managed to avoid prosecution by counter-suits, shady business practices and by using at least 20 different aliases to protect his identity. Sturman became increasingly involved in semi-legal or all-out criminal activities during this time and had connections with the Gambino crime family.

    The American journalist and writer Eric Schlosser described Sturman in a U.S. News & World Report article in 1997:

    To his defenders in the sex industry, Sturman was a marketing genius and a champion of free speech, an entrepreneur whose toughness, intelligence, and boundless self-confidence were responsible for his successes. But to anti-porn activists and Justice Department officials, Sturman was the head of a vast criminal organization whose companies enjoyed an unfair competitive advantage: protection and support from the highest levels of the Cosa Nostra.

    It was Sturman’s refusal to pay taxes properly that finally brought him down. In 1989, Sturman was convicted of tax evasion and sentenced to 10 years in jail and $2.5 million in fines. Another charge, this time for the interstate transportation of obscene material, resulted in a plea bargain for Sturman, but he was later caught trying to bribe a juror, via his ex-wife, and was sentenced to 19 additional years for extortion. He briefly escaped prison in Boron, California, but was re-apprehended in Anaheim. He died in a federal prison in Lexington, Kentucky on October 27, 1997.

    I did not meet him but he was the original owner of several of the places that bought the video booth equipment I wrote of. (I knew several people that worked for the company before applying there and still know a few alumni.) Apparently anyone running any adult literature and sex toy business in most areas in those days was paying Protection money to whatever the dominant mob family was in the area. (It was either the Civellas or the Leisures in Kansas City, for example, in the eighties and early nineties.) Even after it was legal, the Mob still thought they were entitled and nonpayment would have meant something bad. In return, no one dared stick the place up or the cops would have been the least of their worries.

    Bikers wouldn’t touch the business: they would run prostitution and dope, but they felt porno was, shall we say, infra dig, declassee’, suited only for punks and Jap-bike riders.

    Oddly while most male porn stars are Jewish, most female ones are not: Annie Sprinkle and Nina Hartley were exceptions rather than the rule. Sharon Mitchell does look Jewish, but I’m told she is 100 percent Italian.

  68. Marty T says:
    @Fred Boynton

    So speaking of Northwestern Europeans, countries like Sweden and Iceland seem to have even more cancerous feminism than the US does. These countries have almost no Jews.

    Time for white gentiles to concentrate on policing their own instead of lazily pointing at Jews.

    • Agree: Corn
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Svigor
    , @dfordoom
  69. Marty T says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    For any civilization to survive long term, women’s right to vote must be rescinded. They are too susceptible to propaganda and emotional appeals.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  70. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral

    From his book on a seemingly unrelated subject, The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds , a biography of the late racialist leader William Pierce, Robert S. Griffin posits:

    And a third motivation for me, one that developed as time went
    along: I find Pierce to be an absolutely fascinating character and his story
    to be a whale of a tale. And besides Pierce, in the course of putting this
    book together I came across a number of other fascinating– which is not to
    say admirable—characters, among them, George Lincoln Rockwell, Robert
    Lloyd, Revilo P. Oliver, Francis Parker Yockey, Savitri Devi, Elizabeth
    Dilling, Bob Mathews, and William Gayley Simpson. This cast of characters
    and their world was all new to me, and I have had the treat of a terrific,
    real-life movie for the year and a half I have been working on this book. I
    found that that alone has been enough to keep me going.

    …..
    The book Bob gave me was entitled Women of the Far Right by Glen
    Jeansonne. 13 The book tells the story of an organized right-wing women’s
    movement in the 1930s and ’40s that centered its efforts around opposing
    America’s involvement in World War II. Jeansonne provides sketches of
    the women who led this movement and the organizations they created. 1 1
    quickly came home to me that this was no minor phenomenon I was
    reading about: at its peak, the confederation of woman’s groups that
    conducted this campaign against the Franklin Roosevelt administration and
    its supporters had a membership of six million members. 14 I was
    staggered to read those numbers. I had always associated large-scale anti-
    war activity with Vietnam. My image of World War II, in contrast, was
    that of the Good War that everybody, or just about everybody, supported.
    What I was learning in the Jeansonne book cut some holes in that picture I
    was carrying around in my head.

    Also, as I read along in the book I was increasingly taken by the fact
    that I had never heard of any of these women. After I left West Virginia I
    found out that I wasn’t alone. I mentioned some of these women’s names
    to several generally informed people, and they hadn’t heard of them
    either. It appears that even though these women were well known in
    their day they have been blotted out of mainstream history. They are not
    part of the story of this country that we have been told and that we share
    as a people. Reading the Jeansonne book raised the question for me of how
    that happened, and it got me thinking about what difference it makes now
    that for all practical purposes these women never existed.

    Although the women depicted in the book saw themselves as
    champions of woman, they stood out in stark contrast to today’s feminists.
    Of course, one obvious difference is that their reactionary politics is on the
    opposite side of the political spectrum from the vast majority of modern
    feminists, who tend to be on the left in varying degrees. These earlier
    women were highly nationalistic and patriotic. They were ardently anti-
    Communist and pro-capitalist, and their political antipathies and
    allegiances were at the forefront of their personal and organizational
    agendas; that is to say, they were more than advocates for women. As
    they saw it, gender issues were embedded in larger socio-political concerns
    and needed to be confronted within this broader context. As well, their
    orientation was in the first instance maternal. They saw themselves as
    mothers, they approached things from that perspective. Only mothers,
    they believed, could save their sons from the slaughter in the war that was
    impending. Also, these women supported sexual abstinence before
    marriage, and they upheld the traditional nuclear family, which in their
    eyes included a strong and vital patriarchal presence. These women didn’t
    set themselves off against men. Men, their husbands and sons and other
    men, weren’t “them” to these women, they were part of “us.” These
    women didn’t paint men as oppressors or competitors or adversaries, or
    see them as needing to be held in check or re-conditioned. Another
    difference, in contrast to feminism’s coolness toward organized religion,
    these women tended to be avowed Christians. And a last contrast: while
    Jewish women have been disproportionately represented in today’s
    women’s movement, 15 these earlier women were markedly anti-Jewish in
    their attitudes.

  71. tomv says:
    @Tyrion 2

    No. Did you even read Steve’s original post? Here, let me make Twinkie’s comment more explicit for your comprehension:

    “but the price of their behaviors, exacted by feminists on the entire society, is mostly paid by gentile men (first and foremost, but also women ultimately)”

    When it comes to certain topics near and dear to their hearts, the people renowned for their verbal intelligence are remarkably obtuse. Yet, with unshakable confidence, they go on pointing fingers at others for logical lapses or worse.

  72. @Ripple Earthdevil

    Ripple, Are you sure that it was sarcasm? How can you tell?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  73. @Anonymous

    “Oddly while most male porn stars are Jewish, most female ones are not: Annie Sprinkle and Nina Hartley were exceptions rather than the rule. Sharon Mitchell does look Jewish, but I’m told she is 100 percent Italian.”

    Good comments but I don’t find this particular observation odd at all. Jewish guys want access to shiksas, so male Jewish porn stars banging female gentile pornstars seems to make perfect sense.

  74. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    He rants against women in general instead of facing the reality that he was the victim of one bad woman.

    I’ve not seen too much of that, especially from guys who (most times, stupidly) take a chance and roll the dice again in a 2nd marriage. Lots of the men I’ve talked to know that the legal system is set up to screw men over and that’s what’s worth ranting over.

    You can’t fix a problem if you don’t get to the root cause. Yeah, the women’s vote is another root cause, but I think the family court system is enemy number one of stable marriages.

    Talk about “white sharia”…

    I don’t know what they mean by that. It’s probably just a reference to a return to conservative society, not really the burkas, cutting-of-woman’s parts, or any else of that Moslem crap.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  75. @Anonymouse

    I may not agree 100% with him, but Jack D. is an intelligent guy. That was sarcasm. (“Hefnersky” sounds pretty made-up, doesn’t it?)

  76. Rosie says:
    @Marty T

    So speaking of Northwestern Europeans, countries like Sweden and Iceland seem to have even more cancerous feminism than the US does. These countries have almost no Jews.

    This is way too hasty. Everyone in these countries speaks English and consumes (((American media))).

    If Whiskey could back up his claim that feminism is becoming problematic in Iran, that would be more interesting.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  77. ia says:
    @AnotherDad

    But absent Jews, the hostility, “oppression”, “smash our traditions” (i.e. gentile culture), “smash the patriarchy” (ie. gentile men) crap which has been so destructive to our society could have been largely avoided.

    Isn’t it more likely Jews took advantage of the discovery of Human Rights? A kind of foundation myth especially strong in America. After all, the Jews were kept at bay for thousands of years without too much difficulty. Why are they (and blacks, homosexuals, etc.) so troublesome all of a sudden?

    It’s better for white men to blame themselves for their own messes.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  78. black sea says:
    @Anonymous

    I attended high school with the offspring of Mike Thevis, a major porn producer and distributor in Atlanta. The family lived in a gaudy mock-Tudor mansion, later occupied by Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown.

    I never knew his children well, but I vaguely remember them as being considered pretty decent kids, especially considering what their dad was up to (pornography, arson, and eventually murder, though we didn’t know about the last of the three at that time).

    People were kind of disdainful of and kind of titillated by the presence of the family in our midst. Thevis, who never made a secret of his business enterprise, wound up dying in prison after a murder conviction. His background was Greek, for those keeping track.

  79. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    BTW, I don’t disagree that Whites need to look at our own weaknesses. The problem is that blaming our problems on “feminism” effectively singles out women in a way that is not only unfair but actually distorts the truth.

    “Feminism” as we know it today (the radical version) is but the woman’s variant of hyperindividualism, which is gender-neutral. I would define hyperindividualism as the belief that society does not exist, but is only a collection of individuals, and moreover that groups have no interest in their own continuity. You could get rid of women’s rights and send us back to the Stone Age, but if you ignore the broader current of hyperindividualism, of which radical feminism is just one part, the West will disintegrate all the same. Jews are not stupid enough to attack where there are no underlying weaknesses, but that doesn’t mean they are not a problem.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  80. @Tyrion 2

    And yet 99.9% of people involved in that milieu think MacDonald is a despicable lunatic.

    “Yet”? How about “accordingly” or “predictably”?

  81. @JohnnyWalker123

    Or perhaps Jews got into porn because they recognised that unmet demand = business opportunity. There’s a whole world of ‘wholesome’ movies produced by the evangelical Christian community for their own consumption. Notice that there is zero demand for them outside that community.

  82. @Svigor

    You can find a sample of that everywhere. Sicilians think Florentines are phony hypocrites; Florentines think Sicilians are crazy (in Dante’s time, Florentines thought Venetians were all criminals and trash), but everybody hated Saracens. Black Irish look down on red-haired, freckled Irish, but both resent the English. People in Yorkshire and Lancashire dislike each other, but detest Londoners, who regard both as a bunch of handkerchief-headed holiday-makers who put their milk in first. The various Spanish-speaking groups accuse each other if not speaking correct Spanish, but they all resent Yankees–while trying to move here.

    Jesus usually referred to good people as sheep (stupid, stubborn, but herdable), and bad ones as goats (clever, but escape-prone and unpredictable), but I wonder if He didn’t sometimes feel He was trying to herd cats.

  83. JMcG says:
    @Anonymouse

    Someone else want to handle this?

  84. JMcG says:
    @Anonymouse

    Someone else want to handle this one?

  85. Svigor says:
    @Marty T

    Telling Whites to stop listening to and trusting Jewish bigmouths is a big part of policing them.

    Sweden and Iceland may have bigger feminism/socialism/etc. problems than USA, but their demographic problem (you know, the one you don’t recover from) is way smaller.

  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Svigor

    Great, let’s vote on reality now. LOL @ u.

    Isn’t that pretty much how our world works these days?

    No scientific theory should be accepted unless it’s been put to a popular vote.

  87. Now, go and read what the scribes had to say about the Special Wimmin Issues for The Global Projection circa 1978. A.D.
    Do forgive bored identity for some seemingly excessive, but necesary footnote-meandering in regard to “Who,Whom and Where Are The Some Protagonists of Time’s 1978. Article’ Sexes: The Women of Israel’ Today?”

    EXCTRACT:

    “Asks Tamar Eshel , head of the working women’s organization Naamat, “Should we demand far-reaching changes at this time, at the price of splitting the nation, when we are involved in a national struggle for our existence?”

    More important, says Hazleton, the shock of the Holocaust, followed by a generation of intermittent wars, has produced a hunger for the normality of traditional sex roles—man as protector and breadwinner, woman as mother and comforter of men.

    Marriage and childbearing are “national priorities” that produce social prejudices against the widow and the unmarried woman.

    “To be single,” writes Hazleton, “is considered the greatest misfortune that can befall an Israeli woman.”

    [MORE]

    FULL ARTICLE:

    Time Magazine
    Monday, Feb. 20, 1978

    Sexes: The Women of Israel
    Second-class citizens in a nation at war

    Betty Friedan seemed to be in shock.

    On a visit to Israel, the American feminist stopped by for a chat with Yael Dayan**, the novelist and daughter of Moshe Dayan.

    Surrounded by her children, Dayan talked apologetically of her commitment to the ideals of femininity and motherhood.

    Says she: “I presented a model of the slaving wife resigned to her fate.”

    It was hardly what Friedan expected.

    Though Americans tend to think of Israeli women as strongly independent souls with a grenade in one hand and a wrench in the other, reality is more prosaic.

    After 30 years in a progressive democracy, one of whose founding precepts was sexual equality, the women of Israel are still clearly second-class citizens, severely restricted by law and custom.

    “The liberation of Israeli women is a myth,” says Journalist Lesley Hazleton*** in her new book, Israeli Women. “They move in a male world of reality in the false guise of equals.”

    Hazleton, 32, was raised in England, and is both a British subject and an Israeli citizen.
    She has lived in Israel for twelve years, teaching psychology at the Jerusalem Experimental High School and at the Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design, writing for the Jerusalem Post and serving as a stringer for TIME.

    By Western standards, she reports, Israel’s attitude toward women is regressive.
    Women are not allowed to testify in rabbinical courts, which handle divorce and marriage for all Jews. They cannot divorce without a husband’s permission, and childless widows need a brother-in-law’s approval for remarriage, sometimes gaining it with bribes.

    If a woman has been widowed three times, with all three husbands dying of natural causes, she is declared the isha katlanit, the fatal woman, and is legally forbidden to marry again.

    If a husband simply disappears, no matter how long he has been missing, his wife cannot remarry without absolute proof of his death.

    Despite the fighting Amazon image in American movies like Exodus and Judith and in a stream of popular novels, women in the army are not allowed in combat—or anywhere near the fighting. Instead, they serve mostly in support jobs as typists, clerks, nurses and teachers.

    The reason, says Hazleton, is that Israel is committed to paternal protectiveness toward women: “The army exists to protect Israel’s women, not to endanger them in its ranks.”

    In civilian employment, women are not much better off.

    Only a third of them work outside the home, mostly in lower-paying jobs.

    Women account for only 9% of the higher-grade civil service positions, 2% of full professors, 1% of the nation’s engineers.

    Only 6% of working women are employers or self-employed.

    Though the law calls for equal pay for equal work, many women are paid less than men for similar tasks, and, with a few exceptions, women are legally barred from nighttime work on the theory that it is potentially injurious to their health.

    Why such inequality?

    Hazleton believes that 30 years of anxiety about war has sapped all energies for reform.

    Says she: “It is too much to fight against in a country that has plenty of wars already.” Feminism is judged a curious American import.

    Asks Tamar Eshel****, head of the working women’s organization Naamat, “Should we demand far-reaching changes at this time, at the price of splitting the nation, when we are involved in a national struggle for our existence?”

    More important, says Hazleton, the shock of the Holocaust, followed by a generation of intermittent wars, has produced a hunger for the normality of traditional sex roles—man as protector and breadwinner, woman as mother and comforter of men.

    Marriage and childbearing are “national priorities” that produce social prejudices against the widow and the unmarried woman.

    “To be single,” writes Hazleton, “is considered the greatest misfortune that can befall an Israeli woman.”

    In primary schools, she says, youngsters absorb “a shocking degree of sex stereotyping” that takes its toll on Israeli females. One kibbutz psychologist finds that girls are consistently more moody, tense, tired and anxious than boys.

    In the kibbutzim, men call the tune and fill almost all of the important jobs. Writes Hazleton: “Sexual polarization is by now so deep on the kibbutz that not even the extreme crisis of war can induce women to work in production.”

    Instead, women are cozily content with minor roles and worry a great deal about their looks.

    “There is hardly a kibbutz that does not have a beauty parlor—an abomination and unforgivable bourgeois luxury in the old days,” says Hazleton.

    “The fight of kibbutz women is against wrinkles, not against discrimination.”

    Because of the Arab threat, she says, the ideals of femininity and male dominance are still gaining in Israel: “It may well be that Israeli women will not… be ready to enjoy or demand full equality until there is some form of peace for Israel.

    But lest that peace be meaningless for them, they must start now.”

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,948046,00.html

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yael_Dayan

    Say no more : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan#Family

    Mr. Vladimir Dayan’s Choice #1, a divorcée with Mugatu founder’s looks and aspirations:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Dayan

    Mr.Vladimir Plissken Dayan, Mr. Vladimir Plissken Dayan’s Choice #1 , and their fictional friend Absalom Kumalo – a murderer of equally fictional goody-whitey Arthur Jarvis; both comming straight from the classic public schools’ assigned reading about white farmers having it way too good in some overall sh!tholed, yet beloved country:

    Moshe Dayan and His Wife Ruth with One of the Habima Actors

    Mr. Vladimir Plissken Dayan’s, upgraded to the gentlemen loves blondes level, Choice #2 :

    *** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesley_Hazleton:

    **** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_Eshel

  88. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Marty T

    So speaking of Northwestern Europeans, countries like Sweden and Iceland seem to have even more cancerous feminism than the US does. These countries have almost no Jews.

    Time for white gentiles to concentrate on policing their own instead of lazily pointing at Jews.

    Feminism is obviously evil but the problem is the entire liberal agenda. The whole cynical virtue-signalling package.

    And it has nothing to do with Left or Right. Right-wing liberals are possibly even more dangerous than the left-wing ones.

    We have comparatively few Jews in Australia but we have plenty of toxic feminists, homosexual activists, open borders fanatics,racial grievance-mongers, etc.

    And needless to say Big Business backs the liberal agenda to the hilt.

  89. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Marty T

    For any civilization to survive long term, women’s right to vote must be rescinded.

    For any civilization to survive long term, democracy must be rescinded. And capitalism must be rigidly controlled. So much of the evil in our societies stems from capitalism.

  90. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    the women’s vote is another root cause, but I think the family court system is enemy number one of stable marriages.

    It’s a very very big factor. Along with divorce, contraception, abortion, slut culture, married women in the workforce and pornography.

    There’s a reason these things used to be regarded as threats to society.

  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    “Feminism” as we know it today (the radical version) is but the woman’s variant of hyperindividualism, which is gender-neutral. I would define hyperindividualism as the belief that society does not exist, but is only a collection of individuals, and moreover that groups have no interest in their own continuity.

    I agree. It’s liberalism that is the root cause of our problems. Liberalism embraces a multitude of evils besides feminism.

    And it has turned us into societies of alienated atomised individuals who exist merely to consume. Which, oddly enough, suits the interests of global capitalism. Why do you think Big Business pushes (and funds) the liberal agenda so aggressively? It’s almost as if capitalists put profits before people.

  92. Now, go and read what the scribes had to say about the Special Wimmin Issues for The Global Projection circa 1978. A.D.
    Do forgive bored identity for some seemingly excessive, but necesary footnote-meandering in regard to “Who,Whom and Where Are The Some Protagonists of Time’s 1978. Article’ Sexes: The Women of Israel’ Today?”

    [MORE]

    EXCTRACT:

    “Asks Tamar Eshel , head of the working women’s organization Naamat, “Should we demand far-reaching changes at this time, at the price of splitting the nation, when we are involved in a national struggle for our existence?”

    More important, says Hazleton, the shock of the Holocaust, followed by a generation of intermittent wars, has produced a hunger for the normality of traditional sex roles—man as protector and breadwinner, woman as mother and comforter of men.

    Marriage and childbearing are “national priorities” that produce social prejudices against the widow and the unmarried woman.

    “To be single,” writes Hazleton, “is considered the greatest misfortune that can befall an Israeli woman.”

    FULL ARTICLE:

    Time Magazine
    Monday, Feb. 20, 1978

    Sexes: The Women of Israel
    Second-class citizens in a nation at war

    Betty Friedan seemed to be in shock.

    On a visit to Israel, the American feminist stopped by for a chat with Yael Dayan**, the novelist and daughter of Moshe Dayan.

    Surrounded by her children, Dayan talked apologetically of her commitment to the ideals of femininity and motherhood.

    Says she: “I presented a model of the slaving wife resigned to her fate.”

    It was hardly what Friedan expected.

    Though Americans tend to think of Israeli women as strongly independent souls with a grenade in one hand and a wrench in the other, reality is more prosaic.

    After 30 years in a progressive democracy, one of whose founding precepts was sexual equality, the women of Israel are still clearly second-class citizens, severely restricted by law and custom.

    “The liberation of Israeli women is a myth,” says Journalist Lesley Hazleton*** in her new book, Israeli Women. “They move in a male world of reality in the false guise of equals.”

    Hazleton, 32, was raised in England, and is both a British subject and an Israeli citizen.
    She has lived in Israel for twelve years, teaching psychology at the Jerusalem Experimental High School and at the Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design, writing for the Jerusalem Post and serving as a stringer for TIME.

    By Western standards, she reports, Israel’s attitude toward women is regressive.
    Women are not allowed to testify in rabbinical courts, which handle divorce and marriage for all Jews. They cannot divorce without a husband’s permission, and childless widows need a brother-in-law’s approval for remarriage, sometimes gaining it with bribes.

    If a woman has been widowed three times, with all three husbands dying of natural causes, she is declared the isha katlanit, the fatal woman, and is legally forbidden to marry again.

    If a husband simply disappears, no matter how long he has been missing, his wife cannot remarry without absolute proof of his death.

    Despite the fighting Amazon image in American movies like Exodus and Judith and in a stream of popular novels, women in the army are not allowed in combat—or anywhere near the fighting. Instead, they serve mostly in support jobs as typists, clerks, nurses and teachers.

    The reason, says Hazleton, is that Israel is committed to paternal protectiveness toward women: “The army exists to protect Israel’s women, not to endanger them in its ranks.”

    In civilian employment, women are not much better off.

    Only a third of them work outside the home, mostly in lower-paying jobs.

    Women account for only 9% of the higher-grade civil service positions, 2% of full professors, 1% of the nation’s engineers.

    Only 6% of working women are employers or self-employed.

    Though the law calls for equal pay for equal work, many women are paid less than men for similar tasks, and, with a few exceptions, women are legally barred from nighttime work on the theory that it is potentially injurious to their health.

    Why such inequality?

    Hazleton believes that 30 years of anxiety about war has sapped all energies for reform.

    Says she: “It is too much to fight against in a country that has plenty of wars already.” Feminism is judged a curious American import.

    Asks Tamar Eshel****, head of the working women’s organization Naamat, “Should we demand far-reaching changes at this time, at the price of splitting the nation, when we are involved in a national struggle for our existence?”

    More important, says Hazleton, the shock of the Holocaust, followed by a generation of intermittent wars, has produced a hunger for the normality of traditional sex roles—man as protector and breadwinner, woman as mother and comforter of men.

    Marriage and childbearing are “national priorities” that produce social prejudices against the widow and the unmarried woman.

    “To be single,” writes Hazleton, “is considered the greatest misfortune that can befall an Israeli woman.”

    In primary schools, she says, youngsters absorb “a shocking degree of sex stereotyping” that takes its toll on Israeli females. One kibbutz psychologist finds that girls are consistently more moody, tense, tired and anxious than boys.

    In the kibbutzim, men call the tune and fill almost all of the important jobs. Writes Hazleton: “Sexual polarization is by now so deep on the kibbutz that not even the extreme crisis of war can induce women to work in production.”

    Instead, women are cozily content with minor roles and worry a great deal about their looks.

    “There is hardly a kibbutz that does not have a beauty parlor—an abomination and unforgivable bourgeois luxury in the old days,” says Hazleton.

    “The fight of kibbutz women is against wrinkles, not against discrimination.”

    Because of the Arab threat, she says, the ideals of femininity and male dominance are still gaining in Israel: “It may well be that Israeli women will not… be ready to enjoy or demand full equality until there is some form of peace for Israel.

    But lest that peace be meaningless for them, they must start now.”

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,948046,00.html

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yael_Dayan

    Say no more : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan#Family

    Mr. Vladimir Plissken Dayan’s Choice #1, a divorcée with Mugatu founder’s looks and aspirations:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Dayan

    Mr.Vladimir Plissken Dayan, Mr. Vladimir Plissken Dayan’s Choice #1 , and their fictional friend Absalom Kumalo – a murderer of equally fictional goody-whitey Arthur Jarvis; both comming straight from the classic public schools’ assigned reading about white farmers having it way too good in some overall sh!tholed, yet beloved country:

    Moshe Dayan and His Wife Ruth with One of the Habima Actors

    Mr. Vladimir Plissken Dayan’s, upgraded to the gentlemen loves blondes level, Choice #2 :

    *** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesley_Hazleton:

    **** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_Eshel

  93. @ia

    Isn’t it more likely Jews took advantage of the discovery of Human Rights? A kind of foundation myth especially strong in America. After all, the Jews were kept at bay for thousands of years without too much difficulty. Why are they (and blacks, homosexuals, etc.) so troublesome all of a sudden?

    It’s better for white men to blame themselves for their own messes.

    There was no “discovery” of human rights. Jews were not kept at bay for thousands of years. And this is not our own mess. This inversion of our societal immune system is due to outside (Jewish) influence.

  94. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Joe Walker

    No,obviously not. Not sure what something from well before I was born has to do with the very 2018 #MeToo panic though.

    And even that is more complicated than the SJW narrative insists. The victim, now in late middle age, has been asking for charges against her rapist to be dropped.

    If your view of an incident can’t account for somehing like that happening, and it actually happens, then your view of that incident is wrong.

    Of course, personally, I find Pokanski abhorrent. I just recognise that my feelings may not be as finely-tuned as the reality.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Joe Walker

    Lol. And SJWs call everybody to the right of Titania Macgrath a Nazi because they’re scared of the credibility of Nazis, not because they want to tarnish all of their enemies as Nazis. Yeah right…

  96. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Judaism isn’t a prudish religion. Jews have no problem with sex.

  97. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The opinion of the victim has no bearing on the guilt of the accused. If it did, bribery and intimidation of victims would be used to invalidate prosecutions. Moral hazard.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  98. “Fox Force Five and the Great “Women’s March” Heist: http://naimisha_forest.silvrback.com/fox-force-five

    Enjoy!

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