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  1. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe skin and brain deep. A Negro against immigration-invasion.

  2. Consequently, genetic ancestry [race] constitutes a bias that should be accounted for in the analysis of rs-fMRI data.

    Like pelvis types, this is something now that responsible medical professionals should take into account. It cannot be denied.

    But it will be.

  3. anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Why do ALL and ONLY white populations have to be ‘diverse’ and ‘multicultural’? This is NOT demanded of ANY non white peoples anywhere!

    If diversity is such a strength, WHY is this “gift” given to White populations ONLY, when there are so many non white places that “need” it much more?

    White ‘privilege’: Forced mass immigration, so-called anti racism, and “diversity” for ONLY white people!

    Its White G-
    Its ANTI White

  4. I have a dream! I dream of the day we can judge a man not by the color of his skin, not by the content of his character, but by his neuron connectivity!

    THE PhD Reverend Martin Luther King, Post-Doc Research Fellow, Anatomy Department., Junior

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @johnd
  5. Forbes says:

    From the abstract:

    Consequently, genetic ancestry constitutes a bias that should be accounted for in the analysis of fMRI data.

    Hmm…

    Is ‘genetic ancestry’ a bias? Is ‘bias’ the correct word for what is revealed in the fMRI data? How does one ‘account’ for it?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  6. Jason Liu says:

    “Race is brain deep” is a great slogan that should be constantly injected into political conversations, even when unprovoked

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  7. @Reg Cæsar

    Alex Chilton sounded kinda black.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  8. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Why does tariq assume that’s some kind of insult?

    if Asians want to look like white people i’m kind of flattered

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  9. And little Nigerian girls are genetically superior to you. That is, they are smarter. According to your own standards. Unless it is the English environment in which they have been raised. But, no, that couldn’t be it. Because the English are stupid. Just look at Bennie Hill. Gee, this is hard.

  10. notanon says:
    @Anon

    tariq getting with the program and coming in for the big win

  11. Dr. X says:

    Of course race is “brain-deep.” One of the most common, oft-repeated and absurd straw men on the subject of race is that racism is the unjust hatred of people “merely for the color of their skin.”

    Bollocks. I’m sure that even the Grand Wizard of the KKK would readily admit that his animus toward blacks is based on behavior and on culture, not skin color. And behavioral traits are readily heritable. Skin color is merely a physical trait that very closely tracks the behavioral traits associated with race. The classic case, of course, is black criminality — skin color doesn’t cause a higher rate of violent crime among blacks; impulsiveness and testosterone levels that are highly prevalent among people of a certain skin color phenotype are probably the determinant causes.

    I certainly don’t hate Clarence Thomas because of his skin color. I think he’s the best Supreme Court justice we’ve got… as good or arguably better than the late Scalia.

    But I also recognize that he’s such an outlier that the number of blacks like him is statistically insignificant…

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  12. @I, Libertine

    Alex Chilton sounded kinda black.

    Not on “September Gurls”.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  13. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    And little Nigerian girls are genetically superior to you. That is, they are smarter.

    great, they dont need to come to Western countries then, they can build their own

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  14. @anon

    “Race is brain deep” is a great slogan that should be constantly injected into political conversations

    You’d need a deep brain in the first place to get deep enough into this slogan about brain deepness though, in order to dig this deep shxxxxxt – especially if it was injected into political conversations. -
    - Or wouldn’t you? If one wouldn’t, you’d be right, no?

  15. fMRI = zombie phrenology.

    What’s inside phrenology?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  16. @Anon

    What happened to “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? “

  17. @Forbes

    Maybe they are trying to say that the brain is just a social-construct.

  18. Neuroscience is rayciss!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  19. MEH 0910 says:

    Nick Lowe – Skin Deep (1979)

  20. Interesting that they used an ElasticNet classifier. I bet even on the same dataset a neural network that isn’t too deep could have better performance and would be able to handle the multilabel nature of the dataset consistently–it makes sense that there would be meaningful interaction effects between the features.

    I’m not familiar with neural networks applied to dimension reduction (generating embeddings) for genomic data, but given the success in other domains like language I would expect that more complex techniques could improve the ROI quite a bit, especially on a larger dataset.

  21. dearieme says:

    “Consequently, genetic ancestry constitutes a bias that should be accounted for in the analysis of rs-fMRI data.”

    I take my hat off to such superb agility of expression. They made the point but nothing can be pinned on them.

  22. @Reg Cæsar

    The Box Tops and Big Star were very different bands. The BT’s were a pop/soul act produced by Dan Penn, a Southern white guy capable of sounding genuinely black himself (the studio demos of his songs — Penn is best-known as a songwriter — available on two compact discs from UK reissue label Ace bear witness to his convincing blue-eyed soul voice).

    By contrast, Big Star was the product of Chilton’s (and co-leader Chris Bell’s) love for British Invasion pop (Beatles, Who, Kinks) and its descendents (Badfinger), and effectively invented “power pop” as a genre.

    Alex Chilton was a distinctive singer in any number of pop genres (check out his version of “My Baby Just Cares For Me,” modeled on the Nina Simone version). He was also a self-destructive and ornery cuss whose live shows in the 1980′s and ’90′s were hit or miss, but usually memorable. Rave on, Butch.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  23. Not the first study of this kind:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4313711/

    Brain and head morphometric measurements confirmed our first hypothesis that Chinese and U.S. children and adolescents would be different in brain and head shape, size, and developmental patterns. These findings were consistent with results from comparisons of head and brain structures in Asian and North American adults

  24. @Anon

    This is Philadelphia Police Officer Hung Nguyen. He posted a picture of himself in Blackface on Facebook. This is how other groups pay Black people back for fighting for their immigration rights. This is why I question why Black people are voting for “immigration” policies now

    Great. Things like this need to be publicized as much as possible. Fracture the Coalition of the Fringes.

  25. Performed a Google search on the phrase “evidence for bias of genetic ancestry in resting state functional MRI” and obtained this article.

    The purpose of the research seems to be that it is imortant to know the ancestry of a patient in order to interpret resting state functional MRI results.

    The research says nothing about behavioral traits associated with the observed patterns. If someone were to do research showing which areas of the brain ‘lit up’ under which types of stimuli, and if that research showed no variation based on ancestry, then that would be significant.

    Some topics for research:
    - What happens when the subject is prompted to act impulsively?
    - What happens when the subject is tasked with abstract thinking?
    - What happens when the subject is asked to consider consequences of an action?
    - What happens when the subject given a scenario where reflexive thinking is required?
    - What happens when the subject is asked to parse a quality into more than merely high versus low?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  26. @obwandiyag

    Because the English are stupid. Just look at Bennie Hill. Gee, this is hard.

    Which explains why quarter-wits like you emigrate to white countries. And why there are not even imbeciles that want to emigrate to your country.

    You are a parasite. You live off of the hard work of others, and you suck the life out of those you live off of. And you are angry that we observe your parasite nature. Because it sucks to be a parasite, never able to stand on your own. Never able to be fully human. Always a derivative.

    But hey, you have Democrats and liberals on your side. And they will tell you it is OK. You must rest on the hard work of others, because Racism ™.

    You will surely know the truth. And you will insist that the truth is falsely [racist|homo|lesbian|ableist|truthist] against you.

    Because the English are stupid. Just look at Bennie Hill. Gee, this is hard.

    And it is all against you.

    Or, you could suck it up and take responsibility for yourself. There is no time in history where it would be easier for you to succeed.

    But you will sit back and grouse.

    And from your position you will complain that (1) you are unable to succeed because “Racism ™” and (2) even if you could “Racism ™” means you cannot accept your position as a beneficiary of the good life.

    So wallow in your despair. And bitch about how hard it is for you. Because you are a loser, and not just an average loser, but a loser who has chosen to lose.

    If you doubt this, go live in Africa for the next decade, and then get back to us.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  27. @Reg Cæsar

    It really is soul deep, as I’ve been saying all along. It is the soul, as the form of the body, which determines not only the skin and the brain, but everything else, too.

    And of course, it would be a logical inconsistency to believe that the races differed “really” if they did not also differ essentially, for the real and the essential are synonymous.

    Therefore, race-realists should start referring to themselves as race-essentialists. That term has more cachet and explanatory power, and it lays bare what is truly the issue here.

  28. The current wave of African invaders into Europe are trying to make race “balls deep.”

    • LOL: BB753
  29. FPD72 says:

    Kirkegaard wrote that the study was cross indexed and that he has replicable date, so he isn’t taking a leap of faith in drawing his conclusions.

  30. @James Speaks

    tbh it could all be ultimately a red herring. fMRI is a bit funny in itself, and as the dead salmon example shows, its had a pretty bad track record of showing whatever you want it to show. Most of your questions couldn’t be well answered since its not even totally clear what parts of the brain do what and you will always see a lot of individual variation due to the way that the frontal cortex innervates.

    Essentially you’ll need to distinguish some form of genetic cohesion over variation, while also ruling out any environmental/cultural/linguistic effects(unlike other organs, the brain does indeed innervate differently to stimuli), all while looking at possibly inaccurate images of blood flow.

    Its still a long way before we can understand the brain well. For an example of the rather hilarious chaos, two studies directly contradicting each other this year:

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/study-finds-no-neurogenesis-in-adult-humans-hippocampi-29987?fbclid=IwAR1KQS0j456f5lJ2kBPX41H0PoHjm09YUrXR1HfOiy3ugVK6dwi06w0arGQ

    https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/abundant-neurogenesis-found-in-adult-humans-hippocampi-30050?fbclid=IwAR1xT2QldUTm8y70eh3qA30Wxbpt8mLuuwBbXHx5oC9yVer8QN01lmQjGBk

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @jdoyle
  31. @obwandiyag

    “And little Nigerian girls are genetically superior to you”

    Oh lord, go away.

    Nigerian girls can stop having so many kids so that Nigeria is not an overpopulated mess.

    Put Nigerians (Igbo perhaps excepted) against Swedes, Japanese, Koreans, Ashkenazis in a fair intelligence-related test and see how it pans out. Someplace where the results can’t be skewed or favors can’t be given out.

  32. johnd says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    this “neuron connectivity” business was not plagiarized, presumably?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. jdoyle says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    the dead salmon is .. a red herring?
    the point of that red herring or dead salmon was not that brain imaging is fishy, but that thresholds & reproducibility need to be greatly improved from what they are now. indeed, all kinds of chum is floating in the sea of scientific information.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  34. davidl says: • Website

    in the US, the NIH, a key source of biomedical, clincal research grants, has mandated inclusion of racial/ethnic minorities in clinical studies for grantees,

    https://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/inclusion-basis-on-sex-gender-race-ethnicity-faq.htm

    so seeing differencs between races is pretty much inevitable; thank you NIH.
    In fact, checking the funding sources for all of these between race difference may show that equalitarian organizations funded the study; cheers to them as well.

  35. @Intelligent Dasein

    Render unto Sailer the things that are Sailer’s,
    And unto Derb the things that are Derb’s.

    So you don’t think I’m just being a wiseass, I get where you’re coming from—read my comments here (#57) and here (#166) where I expound on beauty and soul and what it means about the essence of race.

  36. @jdoyle

    Basically that fMRI specifically is a method that can lead to unusually high levels of false positives and needs much tighter protocol.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/a-bug-in-fmri-software-could-invalidate-decades-of-brain-research-scientists-discover

    • Replies: @jdoyle
  37. Cato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Shocking example of cultural appropriation!

  38. @johnd

    I had a dream! … like I said … but maybe, come to think of it, I did fall asleep while browsing some of my Reverend colleagues’ papers … one night … after the orgy …

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  39. This could be mildly interesting. The result itself of course will have to be suppressed. On the other hand, one of the researchers is not merely a woman, but apparently at least kind of a woman of color.

  40. J1234 says:

    I’m guessing someone else at Cold Spring Harbor is going to get fired pretty soon.

  41. Pat Boyle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What total dreck!! i stopped listening to pop music in 1963. It’s always good to have it confirmed that I didn’t miss anything.

  42. @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m not sure that the meme has legs, but it certainly does get at the truth.  The problem is that if it doesn’t catch on it’s no help in the rhetoric war we’re fighting.

  43. @obwandiyag

    And adding to what Charles Erwin Wilson II said in an earlier reply to you….

    If you think that you are the equal to whites then why don’t you prove it by buying 20 acres of farmland, a mule, a hog or two, a milk cow and some chickens and then homestead for 20 years or so. Prove that you can do what European pioneers were able to do, that you are as tough and resourceful as they were.

    No electricity, no propane, just you, a simple plow, a scythe, an axe and a bow saw. Build your house, till your soil, gather your wood, draw your water and raise a family. Grow hemp, have your women folk spin yarn and weave cloth while you and the boys hunt and farm.

    All you critics of whites: you ignorant Jewish princesses, you lazy negroids, prove that you have the grit to do what we have done. Start with what we started with and demonstrate that you have earned the right to enjoy the easy life available to you in the cities we have built, with their running water, electricity, automobiles etc.

    You’re a lazy horse’s ass and you deserve a good beating.

  44. @MikeatMikedotMike

    The current wave of African invaders into Europe are trying to make race “balls deep.”

    They was Kangz you know. Their offspring will be royalty!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  45. @Mr. Rational

    I’m not sure that the meme has legs, but it certainly does get at the truth. The problem is that if it doesn’t catch on it’s no help in the rhetoric war we’re fighting.

    True, but if Sailer propagates it, then there is a good chance of catching on. He popularized Merkel’s Boner, even with all the baggage that went with it (if there were no nudes of Merkel as a young woman, we might wonder, no?) (and hat tip to slumber_j, of course).

  46. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Just ask Prince Henry.

    Do you mean good Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex? the intellect of Charles combined with empty-headed perspective of Diana?

  47. @obwandiyag

    And little Nigerian girls are genetically superior to you.

    But they’re still Nigerian.

  48. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Give Diana Spencer some credit.  She had the sense to GTHO of the House of Windsor after learning what they were.

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