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From the New York Times:

… It’s that time again — daylight saving time ends at 2 a.m. Sunday, when clocks are turned back one hour. And while most people in the United States get to enjoy an extra hour of sleep, confident their phones will attend to the task of winding back the clock, two states — Arizona and Hawaii — will not “fall back” because they did not “spring forward.”…

Arizonans don’t need to save daylight, they’ve got too much of it.

O.K., not all of Arizona holds out on daylight saving. In the northeastern quarter of the state, the Navajo Nation observes the time change in the spring.

But the Hopi Nation, which is encircled by Navajo territory, does not, making it the figurative “doughnut hole.”

The Navajo Nation is semiautonomous, with the power to set its own time system. Since the Navajo reservation extends into neighboring states that recognize daylight saving time — Utah and New Mexico — the nation decided to follow suit to keep the same time throughout its land.

“That means every summer, you have the Hopi Reservation with standard time, surrounded by the Navajo Reservation with daylight time, surrounded by the state of Arizona in standard time,” said David Prerau, a time policy expert and the author of “Seize the Daylight.”

Na-Dene speakers

The Hopi are, I believe, descended from the original Siberian settlers of the New World, while the Navajo are from the second wave of Siberian invaders, the Na-Dene speakers, who came thousands of years later. The Na Dene were bottled up in Alaska and Canada for millennia, but then, not too long before Columbus, broke out into what’s now the American southwest. They took a lot of the territory of the Hopi, who have never forgiven them.

So of course the Hopi and Navajo don’t agree on what time it is for much of the year.

Generally speaking, there seems to be growing momentum in the U.S. for abolishing Daylight Savings Time, although more so on the Spring Ahead weekend when you get one less hour of sleep than on this Fall Back weekend. However, the U.S. tried year-round Daylight Savings Time during the energy crisis of 1974, and it proved wildly unpopular.

Perhaps having a half-hour of daylight savings year round would be a good compromise, but it would be discombobulating for people doing business internationally to have the U.S. a half hour off from the rest of the world.

It could be done: India, Iran, and much of Australia are 30 minutes off from Greenwich Mean Time, and the Chatham Islands of New Zealand are 45 minutes off.

But it seems like much of today’s anti-Daylight Savings Time opinion is just annoyance at having to think about the subject. Any changes in policy would just increase the salience of the subject.

 
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  1. Cortes says:

    Beware the Na-Dine

    • Replies: @Angharad
  2. songbird says:

    Historical question: were the Hopi lucky whites showed up when they did, or was the Navajo advantage guns and horses?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Trutherator
  3. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Our new country’s gonna be great!

    U.S. Navy Officer, His Wife, and Two Chinese Nationals Charged with Conspiring to Smuggle Military Style Inflatable Boats and Evinrude Military Outboard Motors to China

    Fan Yang, 34, a naturalized citizen of the United States and Lieutenant in the United States Navy residing in Jacksonville, Florida; Yang Yang, 33, wife of Fan Yang, and a naturalized citizen of the United States residing in Jacksonville, Florida; Ge Songtao, 49, a citizen and resident of the People’s Republic of China; and Zheng Yan, 27, a citizen and resident of the People’s Republic of China.
    The defendants were arrested on Oct. 17, 2019, and are currently detained.
    All four defendants have been charged with conspiring to submit false export information and to fraudulently attempt to export articles from the United States.  
    Additionally, Yang Yang, Ge Songtao, and Zheng Yan have been charged with causing the submission of false and misleading information into the U.S. Automated Export System, and fraudulently attempting to export seven vessels and eight engines.  If convicted for conspiracy or for the submission of false export information, the charged defendants each face a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison.  If convicted on the attempted-smuggling charge, the defendants each face a maximum sentence of 10 years in federal prison.
    Fan Yang, Yang Yang, and Ge Songtao are charged with other offenses as well.  

    All three have been charged with conspiring to violate laws prohibiting an alien admitted under a nonimmigrant visa from possessing a firearm and prohibiting the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident.  Fan Yang has also been charged with making a false statement to a firearms dealer, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years’ imprisonment, and with making false official statements in his application for a security clearance, which carries a maximum penalty of five years’ imprisonment. 

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-navy-officer-his-wife-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-conspiring-smuggle-military-style

    Thank you for your service, Fan Yang. Thanks for keeping us safe and protecting our freedoms, Fan Yang. Us taxpayers shelling out for your six-figure salary, your free housing, and generous benefits is well worth it. Too bad the six-figure salary wasn’t enough and forced you into trying to make extra money to survive.

  4. @songbird

    I dunno. The Navajo adapted pretty well to the Columbian exchange, becoming sheepherders and wool weavers. That’s why they are such a relatively big tribe these days.

  5. I’d like to see an end to the change. I don’t particularly care which one we decide to stay with; the golfer in me likes the longer evenings but the worker in me likes the longer mornings. Mostly, as I grow older (and I’m not that old yet) the time changes throw me off for a few days and its annoying.

  6. “It could be done: India, Iran, and much of Australia are 30 minutes off from Greenwich Mean Time, and the Chatham Islands of New Zealand are 45 minutes off.”

    Don’t forget Venezuela.

    • Replies: @Anon
  7. Nepal is 15 minutes ahead of Indian time.

    A trip of about 60 miles form eastern Nepal, through Sikkim and Tibet, to Bhutan would take you through 4 time zones.

  8. white supremacy privilege and fragility are real and the root of all the worlds problems

    One good thing is that white men will soon be a minority in the west

    Another is that white girls are attracted to Men of Colour

    • LOL: Kiel
    • Troll: IHTG
  9. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I was visiting a friend in Arizona once and there was a case where two Indians were tied up, doused in gasoline and burned up alive. It was horrible. At first there was big local coverage but the next day, crickets.

    It turned out the roasted Indians and the roasters were all Indians but it was a few of one tribe roasting members of the other tribe. can’t remember which tribe was which or even what they were. Locals said that they hated each other way worse than either hated the paleface or vice versa.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  10. Perhaps having a half-hour of daylight savings year round would be a good compromise

    No, it wouldn’t Steve. You’re better than this.

  11. That seems about right. As a lifelong resident of Arizona until recently, I spent most of my life marveling at the hubris that humanity could just declare time advanced and receded unilaterally. Of course, in the modern age of not just pretending time is ours to bend, my genetic gender as well, and my young thoughts start to seem quaint.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @Anon
  12. ‘… The Hopi are, I believe, descended from the original Siberian settlers of the New World, while the Navajo are from the second wave of Siberian invaders, the Na-Dene speakers…’

    Maybe third wave? My reading of the whole ‘Kennewick Man’ imbroglio-and-forced-retraction is that while Kennewick man wasn’t ‘white,’ he was a representative of some archaic group that preceded our ‘First Nations’ but was exterminated by them.

    Such a hypothesis not only explains Kennewick man himself but also accounts for the scattering of otherwise-improbably old archeological sites here and there in the Americas. An archaic human group did get here first, and wasn’t doing terribly well, but was getting by — until the evil Red Man showed up and unceremoniously booted them into that long good night.

    Of course there goes the Indians’ virtuous victim status. Why should a bunch of fellow genocidalists get special treatment?

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  13. @Steve Holt

    ‘white supremacy privilege and fragility are real and the root of all the worlds problems

    One good thing is that white men will soon be a minority in the west

    Another is that white girls are attracted to Men of Colour’

    I believe Tiny Duck is already filling this position.

    However, thank you for your application.

    • LOL: Herbert West
  14. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Holt

    How many different handles does Tiny get to have?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  15. vinny says:

    The Fall change is pretty tough and unpopular because, by now, in the northern latitudes, there’s not much light left in the day, so moving an hour of light is pretty disruptive.

    Several weeks ago, as I was headed into work in the dark, I was wishing we had already changed by mid October. Brighter mornings, less disruptive change, spookier pre-Halloween evenings, what’s not to like?

    Of course Wal Mart et al are terrified that no one will go shopping after work in a pre-Halloween darkness, so we can’t change until Christmas shopping season starts going.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  16. @Just Saying

    If you think this is a sign of hubris, then the entire concept of time zones should blow your mind. After all, each town has its own solar noon. How dare an entire zone decide to make things easier by agreeing to a common one?!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  17. I would say the residents of the doughnut hole are Hopi mad.

  18. @Steve Sailer

    I love the Wool Weavers.
    “If I had a hammer/ I’d hammer in the morning
    I’d hammer in the evening/ All over this land…”

  19. It could be done: India, Iran, and much of Australia are 30 minutes off from Greenwich Mean Time, and the Chatham Islands of New Zealand are 45 minutes off.

    No, they’re 30 minutes off from their adjacent time zones. Australia is half a day off Greenwich. And don’t forget the Newfies.

    If you’re in the Four Corners area at the right time of year, you can drive pretty much straight (mountain straight) along a path on which you’d have to change your timepiece seven time– actually up to nine, I think– in a hundred miles or so. The reservations are enclaves with enclaves and exclaves of their own.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/us/arizona-no-dst.html

    The biggest time-zone jump is the three-and-a-half hour one at the 46-mile border of Afghanistan and China. You will likely not be going there. You need a battery of permits for the Afghan panhandle, the Wachan Corridor, and the Chinese side is closed to civilians altogether, except for local tribesmen on both sides, who measure time in days, not hours, and probably don’t feel the difference.

    It’s like a landlocked Key West.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @bomag
  20. @vinny

    Congress has adjusted the starting and ending dates of daylight savings time over recent decades. They’ve pretty much pushed the daylight savings time season to its limits.

    • Replies: @Tulip
  21. @Steve Sailer

    I love the Wool Weavers.
    “If I had a hammer/ I’d hammer in the morning
    I’d hammer in the evening/ All over this land…”

  22. Russ says:

    OT (given my extra hour): Is the National Review cruise line going bankrupt? Last week, it gives Rush Limbaugh its coveted (😄) William F. Buckley award, and gets a fortune in free publicity when Limbaugh talked about it at length on his show. Then, Rich Lowry shows up on Tucker Carlson’s show to hawk, of all things, a pro-Nationalism book. What: The presidential candidacy of David French and the “Against Trump” special issue weren’t getting it done?

  23. Haiti and the Dominican Republic share an island, and for half the year they share the same time, but for the other half of the year, there is a one hour difference, which plays havoc with the cross-border bus service schedules run by Caribe Tours.

    • Replies: @Russ
    , @Reg Cæsar
  24. The White Leftist’s kind and gentle Lotus Eating Hopi …..sure did love their NATIVE AMERICAN MAN CORN….which consisted of the bashed out the brains of the infants of the American Injun Tribe next door………..Get the book MANCORN…….

    American Injun MANCORN….YUMMY YUMMY I got MANCORN in my Hopi Injun Tummy……..I think I got a Top of the Charts number one hit here….D0n’t you think so?

  25. The White Leftist’s kind and gentle Lotus Eating Hopi …..sure did love their NATIVE AMERICAN MAN CORN….which consisted of the bashed out brains of the infants of the American Injun Tribe next door………..Get the book MANCORN…….

    American Injun MANCORN….YUMMY YUMMY I got MANCORN in my Hopi Injun Tummy……..I think I got a Top of the Charts number one hit here….D0n’t you think so?

  26. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Just Saying

    Alan Watts used it as an example how crazy modern Westerners were; rather than just getting up an hour earlier if we feel like it, we force everyone to turn back their clocks.

    • Agree: jim jones
  27. Tulip says:
    @Steve Sailer

    No, its time to make it year round.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  28. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim bob Lassiter

    Back in the day Newfoundland was half an hour or 45 minutes ahead of the rest of Canada; the CBC used to announce programs were at “8pm/8:45 Newfoundland”

  29. Russ says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic share an island, and for half the year they share the same time, but for the other half of the year, there is a one hour difference, which plays havoc with the cross-border bus service schedules run by Caribe Tours.

    One assumes that the Haitian half is behind the DR half … not because the Haitian half is west of the DR half, either.

  30. @Anonymous

    In 1993 my old man purchased a 17′ Boston Whaler and put a 225 hp Evinrude outboard on it.

    That thing kicked ass.

  31. The Cherokee have their stories of blue eyed blonde haired “Moon Eyed People” they chased into the woods.

    A lot of weirdness in history that gets swept to the side.

    • Replies: @james wilson
  32. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Really, Anon[315], haven’t you heard of the Opium War? Fan Yang was just settling accounts. Just ask definitely-not-a-PRC-agent Godfree Roberts.

  33. Lot says:

    Article of 2019 to combine most iSteve themes?

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/tanyachen/airbnb-banning-party-houses-orinda-halloween-shooting

    1. Asian homeowner
    2. Black 3. AirBNB renter
    4. has a big house party where a shooting “breaks out” and kills five people
    5. AirBNB to introduce an AI algo to prohibit “party houses”
    6. One year from now: allegations (which are true) the new algo has disparate impact on NAMs.

    Checked out several articles, only Fox Los Angeles included this photo promoting the party.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    , @Laurence Whelk
  34. Hail says: • Website

    It could be done: India, Iran, and much of Australia are 30 minutes off from Greenwich Mean Time, and the Chatham Islands of New Zealand are 45 minutes off.

    North Korea realigned its time zone 30 minutes earlier than South Korea’s a few years ago. The rationale was entirely political — it was declared, I think, on an August 15th, the day of the end of Japanese political authority on the peninsula (1945).

    The NK regime turned the clocks to alignment with South Korea a few years later, when the (current) South Korean president began making concessions, promises of many more, and buddying up.

    Clock change (time zone change) as political weapon.

  35. This is one of those things that they do just to humiliate us

    This also unites nearly all Americans

    Practice organizing by organizing something easy that you won’t get fired for

    Get this on the ballot in your state: no more changing the clocks

  36. Elli says:
    @Steve Holt

    So, I actually listened to 6 min 33 sec of Robin explaining. Since white people think racist means individual bad person, maybe anti-racism activists could just come up with another word for systemic, unconscious events that hurt the feelings of people of color. And then white fragility wouldn’t be evoked and weaponized and white people could actually listen to constructive criticism. A little finesse, a little definitional ju-jitsu, kumbayah.

    BTW Tiny, I’m not attracted to men of color. Never have been.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
  37. Generally speaking, there seems to be growing momentum in the U.S. for abolishing Daylight Savings Time

    It’s all part of the same widespread iconoclasm that is tearing down Robert E. Lee statues, abolishing sex differences, and inverting values everywhere. If it exists, The Woke want to get rid of it. Daylight Savings Time is no different to them than anti-marijuana laws and heterosexual marriage.

    I’m pretty ambivalent about DST myself, but now I feel like defending it just because it’s an established tradition.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Twodees Partain
  38. @Russ

    What: The presidential candidacy of David French and the “Against Trump” special issue weren’t getting it done?

    The tide has turned. Do not blame them for noticing.

  39. Hail says: • Website

    OT —

    US right-wing publisher Dr. Greg Johnson has been arrested in Norway, minutes before his speech at a political conference Saturday. The arrest was about Saturday midday Norway time (Saturday early morning US East time).

    It appears the police raided a lawful right-wing political conference (the Scandza Forum, held consecutively for several years) at the request of local left-wing and ethnoreplacement advocates. They bagged one relatively-high-profile, deportable US citizen (Dr. Johnson). I expect he may end up getting a ten-year ban from Europe (Schengen zone) for his political activities as a result.

    As of the overnight hours of Sat.-to-Sun. Norway time (early evening US time), Greg Johnson was being held “incommunicado…so we don’t know where he is now”…

    [MORE]

    The AP picked up the story several hours after the arrest:

    a U.S. citizen was arrested Saturday “on the basis of the Immigration Act section 106” including a suspicion that “he may play an obvious role in radicalization.”

    Because of publishing bans against Greg Johnson and Counter Currents and those publishing under Counter Currents, some of the CC material has been featured at the Unz Review (“Books Banned by Amazon — Order Them Here”).

    The movie reviews published under the name Trevor Lynch at CC, republished at the Unz Review of late, have also attracted much attention. Apparently Trevor Lynch is the movie-review pen-name of Greg Johnson. So movie reviewer Trevor Lynch has been arrested.

    Counter Currents statement:

    Greg Johnson Arrested in Norway for Thought Crime

    Over the last few days, the Norwegian antifa were on a social media campaign against Scandza and Greg in particular, claiming that he supports terrorism and was therefore a threat — ludicrous given Greg’s many diatribes against terrorism. Regardless, word about this apparently got to the Norwegian authorities, and he was arrested this morning before the conference on national security grounds. The police said that Greg was being deported, but he’s been held incommunicado since then, so we don’t know where he is now.

    Conference organizer statement:

    So Greg Johnson is asleep in a Norwegian jail cell as of this writing (or in one, in any case, perhaps not sleeping).

    Jared Taylor calls Greg Johnson a political prisoner:

    The detention of Greg Johnson by the Norwegian authorities is outrageous. It is a clear assault on freedom of speech and make Dr Johnson effectively a political prisoner.

    Likewise, the actions of antifa are a despicable attempt to interfere with free speech and association. I wish Scandza Forum every success in its courageous for liberty and the truth.

    Jared Taylor

  40. @Anonymous

    Meanwhile, co-conspirator Wang Chung has thus far eluded prosecution, his last attempt at arrest having resulted in a motion-induced epileptic seizure in his arresting officer.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  41. @Reg Cæsar

    Yep, because China keeps the same time zone throughout the country. You’re not fooling anybody, least the sun itself, so people out in the west will just wake up later, start work later, end work later, and go to be later.

    When this country consisted of a majority of farmers, none of this was worth worrying about. Even now, if employers wouldn’t be so rigid (sometimes), we could just change up our schedules to suit ourselves and not need the government to get involved yet again.

    I’m pretty sure you had a post on this time-zone thing before, Steve, because I’m getting deja-vu off of my own writing… no seizures from the Wang Chung video so far though …

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  42. From an HBD perspective, I’ve always assumed the Navajo were more intelligent than the Hopi, simce they branched off from the East Asians much later than the Hopi did.

  43. @Anon

    Alan Watts used it as an example how crazy modern Westerners were; rather than just getting up an hour earlier if we feel like it, we force everyone to turn back their clocks.

    He didn’t care for the metric system, either.

  44. @Hail

    Wow, Hail, that’s straight outta the book (1984). I would have expected that in Oceania, I mean, England, these days, or maybe Sweden. I didn’t know the Norwegian government was so infiltrated too.

    • Replies: @Hail
  45. @Jonathan Mason

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic share an island, and for half the year they share the same time, but for the other half of the year, there is a one hour difference, which plays havoc with the cross-border bus service schedules run by Caribe Tours.

    What really screws up international travel is when Europe, North America, and Asia go on DST on different dates, leading to a “wacky week” or two for airlines twice a year. When transoceanic flights arrive an hour earlier or later than usual, they run into domestic or intrazone schedules, and everyone’s afternoon is ruined.

    Well, it comes at season change, so the schedules were being revised anyway.

    However, if you’re going into Haiti, and by land, time is the least of your problems!

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Ganderson
  46. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    At the risk of stating the obvious, DST doesn’t just shift sleeping an hour earlier relative to the sun; it also shifts scheduled obligations (school and work) an hour earlier. Everyone gets one more hour of daylight to enjoy after school/work than they would otherwise have, which is a big advantage for anyone who enjoys, well, the light of day.

    Also, either you or Alan Watts has it backwards: turning back the clocks means getting up an hour later relative to the sun, not earlier.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  47. @Lot

    Is it a coincidence that not too long after AirBNB made all their hosts “sign” an anti-discrimination pledge or be booted from the service that we see Dindus throwing huge and often fatal parties in AirBNB rentals?

    On a slightly related subject, I frequently ride Lyfts in the LA area. I have found that if my assigned driver is a Dindu, I am almost certain to be aurally assaulted with a stream of obscenities and 100+ repetitions of the N-word – you know, their “music”. Now my policy is that if Jamal or Jaquisha’s picture comes up in the app, I cancel and try again in 10 minutes. I just don’t want to hear it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Hail
    , @Lot
  48. Hail says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m pretty ambivalent about DST myself, but now I feel like defending it just because it’s an established tradition.

    What about defending the tradition of opposition to Daylight Savings Time?

  49. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Johnson has alienated many in the European far-right and many European nationalists with his extracurricular personal activities in Europe over the past several years. They’ve accused him of basically using the far-right movement to groom and pursue relationships with young men in Europe. I would not be surprised if elements in the European far-right movement either ratted him out or didn’t provide him with the necessary protection as a result.

    • LOL: Lot
    • Troll: Hail
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lot
  50. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail


    [MORE]

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Ganderson
  51. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    James Kirkpatrick of VDARE reacting to the arrest of Greg Johnson (who will presumably be deported at his own expense, perhaps with the authorities taking care of booking the first random one-way flight they find, at full-price flight, within the next 24 hours or so, after the ‘i’s are all dotted on his ban on entry into Europe):

    There comes a point, and I think we’ve reached it, where Western boasts about “freedom” and “democracy” become self-discrediting. I am no longer willing to say that the West is more “free” than China. I would certainly say that Russia has a greater claim to being a “free country” than anywhere in Western Europe.

    (“Freedom Of Speech Dead In Europe; Greg Johnson Detained, Deported Because He MIGHT Say Something,” Nov. 2, 2019)

    The mask is off.

    Needless to say, don’t expect any action from the U.S. Embassy. This may have been done at their urging. President Donald Trump limits his defense of American citizens to rappers that hate him and will never vote for him.

    Less OT: Note that Dr. Johnson will arrive back in a US that has changed time zones on him in the meantime. As if adding insult to injury (to humiliation and travel-ban).

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Hail
  52. @Laurence Whelk

    When I worked until after the last bus, my company paid for the taxi home. The drivers were always African refugees, and the dial was always set to MPR, whose overnight hours were filled by BBC News. I used to look forward to the rides.

    That was 20 years ago. I doubt their kids, who may be driving Ubers and Lyfts, have this on now.

    Remember, multicultural corruption is a two-way street.

  53. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Note that there was a young, gay Swedish leftist activist named Patrik Hermansson that infiltrated the alt-right for a year a couple years ago and exposed a bunch of people in the alt-right and various alt-right activity and organizations. He was able to do so by first being a honeypot for Johnson and infiltrating Johnson’s circle. Johnson vouched for Hermansson and thus Hermansson was able to infiltrate the rest of the alt-right.

    https://medium.com/@melissaryan/we-had-a-spy-on-the-inside-thats-right-patrik-hermansson-dd1c467f3fb

  54. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:

    Hopi called Hope-eye here.

  55. Hail says: • Website
    @Laurence Whelk

    I frequently ride Lyfts in the LA area. I have found that if my assigned driver is a Dindu, I am almost certain to be aurally assaulted with a stream of obscenities and 100+ repetitions of the N-word – you know, their “music”. Now my policy is that if Jamal or Jaquisha’s picture comes up in the app, I cancel and try again in 10 minutes. I just don’t want to hear it.

    An intern at the SPLC or ADL reading this may have just gotten an idea for a PhD project. All she would need is access to anonymized Uber and Lyft race data! Raj Chetty talked his way into a lot more.

  56. @Achmed E. Newman

    …and not need the government to get involved yet again.

    Time zones were instituted by the railroads, so their schedules would work. This was critical in east-west-running countries– i.e., Russia, the US, Canada and Australia. Governments were Johnnies-come-lately on this.

    China’s single zone is Communist idiocy– or Han arrogance– but Indonesia, the other long east-west country, has three zones and no DST, which is pointless along the Equator.

    DST is more of a north-south issue. Argentina has a single time zone with no annual change. Chile tried permanent DST in 2015, but it bombed. Chile proper has two time zones, one permanent and one which changes. Oddly, it’s the one closer to the Equator that does the changing.

    • Replies: @Hail
  57. Angharad says:
    @Cortes

    Everett McGill was gorgeous!

  58. It could be done: India, Iran, and much of Australia are 30 minutes off from Greenwich Mean Time, and the Chatham Islands of New Zealand are 45 minutes off.

    The “much” of Australia (around a quarter of the land area) holds only about 5 per cent of the population, so the half-hour discrepancy is of only marginal practical importance.

  59. @Achmed E. Newman

    [Google Search & Seizure?]

    Maury, You Are *Not* The Father

    Everybody bang Chung tonight.
    – M. Povich

  60. Lot says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Not my experience. About a third of the drivers have annoying music, but they always will turn it off or to something else if you ask them.

    What you describe sounds like the experience taking taxis in the dark ages.

  61. WAIT JUST A MINUTE ! ! !

    America was founded on genocide against the Native Peoples !!
    Therefore no Native Peoples exist anymore!!!

    EVERYBODY KNOWS
    ‘cuz Howard Zinn said so

    oh, wait . . . those “Indian reservations” preserved entire tribes ??

  62. Hail says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Chile tried permanent DST in 2015, but it bombed

    What does a time-zone-adjustment “bombing” look like? Malcontents grumbling? Bad reviews on Yelp? Airplanes falling out of the sky?

    I would ask the same re: Steve Sailer’s statement in this blog post:

    the U.S. tried year-round Daylight Savings Time during the energy crisis of 1974, and it proved wildly unpopular.

    wildly unpopular

    The only thing that readily comes to mind is parents sending their children to the school bus in the dark, November to February, in a permanent-DST regime.

  63. Lot says:
    @Hail

    Really poor judgement for Ed Dutton to do events with WN activists like Kevin MacDonald and Greg Johnson.

    I hope other IQ researchers are high IQ enough to keep that whole bunch outside the cordon sanitaire going forward, as there is a substantial risk of the whole area being shut down, and access to raw data for gene and IQ studies being cut off.

    Looking at you Lynn, Thompson and Woodley.

    (There will still be those important but nearly impenetrable 70-author studies, though they’d be the next target.)

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    , @Pheasant
  64. Lot says:
    @anon

    Greg Johnson: “Intolerance of Homosexuality Is Jewish. I can see you aren’t no Jew looking down the next urinal at your fine aryan foreskin. Now let’s get down like Ernst Rohm!”

    https://archive.md/AGWem

  65. The fundamental problem with Daylight Savings Time is that there are exactly 24 hours in the day no matter how you cut it.

    I have a way around this problem. Year-round, let’s do this: from every hour between 8AM and midnight, remove ten minutes. Now transfer those minutes to the hours from midnight to 8AM.

    From this redistribution of minutes, we reap two advantages:
    1. We get daylight for most of the hours people are awake for — even in the dead of winter — because those sixteen hours from 8 to midnight go by faster.
    2. People get more sleep (they can go to bed at midnight and get up at 6, but they’ll have been in bed for a full 480 minutes because those are 80-minute hours). With widespread health benefits.

  66. @Lot

    Your statement is merely conclusary. Why is it poor judgment to attend conferences with Kevin M and Greg J?

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  67. Burma time is 30 minutes behind Thai time. Once when sitting in a coffee shop on the Thai side of a river that marks the border, my iPad decided I was in Burma and switched the time automatically. It took me quite awhile to figure out what was happening.

  68. The Swamp says:
    @Hail

    People that work in Government arrive at work around 9 a.m., and always have, so getting up an hour earlier doesn’t inconvenience them.
    Blue Collar workers used to start at 7.30 a.m., now they have to be at work hours earlier.

    Someone with a 5 a.m. start and an hours travel will effectively have to get up around 2.30 a.m. [real time] to get to work under the DST regime.
    Just another example of people working in Government living, thinking, and acting as if it’s still 1958.

  69. On vacation in Arizonaland we ended up on a Reservation for the night. Thought it was an hour earlier than it was (seems the reservations have DST but not AZ). Sent our children to the motel pool to find it closed. Very miffed I complained to the motel management. I was not all that gracious, but the motel management finally got it through to me I was in error. That is when we realized the staff at the local restaurant was very magnanimous with their service. We were at the restaurant at least a half hour after closing and were not treated any differently than if we’d showed up two hours earlier. To our embarrassment. Thank you Reservation residents/citizens. You were very gracious to us without our knowing it. Much appreciated.

  70. Regarding a full intertribal reconciliation, the Navajo have no Hopi left.

  71. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon

    I believe it I got the impression from my travels in the Southwest that the one thing uniting all the other Indian tribes is their common hatred for the Navaho.

  72. jim jones says:
    @Anon

    I live a few miles from the Greenwich Meridian and I still have to go through this nonsense every year. My feeling is that the politicians love making us jump through hoops.

  73. Anon[234] • Disclaimer says:

    The Navajo deserve it. They were bastards to the Hopi and everyone else in the region, including Mexicans, whites, and every Indian tribe that was luckless enough to cross their path. The Navajo were insanely warlike. See Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides for more details, and find out how the Navajo were finally broken on the wheel of Kit Carson.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @JMcG
  74. Alfa158 says:
    @anon

    I think this is actually a guy with the moniker Steve Holt, doing a parody of a guy with the moniker Tiny Duck, who does parodies of brain dead Liberals.
    So my question is, does that mean (since mathematically -1*-1 = 1) that Steve Holt is a genuine brain dead Liberal?

  75. Tundra says:

    Death to Standard time. Who in blue blazes wants an earlier sunrise? Most people get up, shower, have breakfast, and go to work. Extra sunlight in the morning does them no good.

    Evening is when we want light to play games, work on the house, change the car’s oil, go for a stroll, whatever. Daylight Savings Time makes so much sense it’s a wonder why anyone would choose otherwise.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dtbb
  76. Unfortunate that we have no reservations for some of our other less than civilized tribal communities…

  77. Dtbb says:
    @Tundra

    You would change your tune if you started at 7 on a construction site, while missing all the rush hour traffic coming and going.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  78. @Anonymous

    The Chinese can’t knock off Evinrudes? We have a chance after all!

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    , @anonymous
  79. @Steve Holt

    Off topic spam with a video gets by Sailer. This usually doesn’t happen, right? He must be addled by the time change. 😉

  80. DST is just lying about the time to make people get up earlier.

    Daylight maximization always occurs when your sleep 4 hours before local midnight to 4 hours after local midnight (if you sleep 8 hours), no matter what part of the year it is. Throughout the year, local midnight only varies +- 15 minutes or so from the mean midnight.

    So the optimal time to go to bed is around 8:00 PM and waking up at 4:00. Year round, with no DST.

    This brings up another idiotic thing about time zones. The Prime Meridian should mark the center of the GMT timezone, not the boundry. As it is now, the variance between local noon and timezone noon goes from 0 minutes on the right hand side to 60 minutes on the left of each time zone. If it was centered, the error would go from -30 minutes to +30 minutes, making the largest error +- 30 minutes instead of +60.

    • Replies: @Hail
  81. @Intelligent Dasein

    “It’s all part of the same widespread iconoclasm that is tearing down Robert E. Lee statues, abolishing sex differences, and inverting values everywhere.”

    Uhhh…no. DST is a silly government edict that was instituted by act of Congress in the US in 1918 after being instituted in other countries as part of their war efforts. It isn’t a tradition at all. Of course, if you’re joking, then I’ll just say, “Ok, you got me that time”.

  82. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    Dr Greg should have been a radical muslim preacher, then the cops would have been lining up in the police station restroom.

    I should mention that, while various unexplainable people have been blowing up apartment buildings and murdering the mothers of toddlers in the street, our Swedish Very Serious Terrorism Expert declared that there was a great risk of right-wing violence. Oddly we have since that portentous event still had none, but perhaps that’s why the LGBT forces of Scandinavia are reeeing and kicking in doors and arresting.

    • Replies: @Hail
  83. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    He should apply for political asylum, see what happens.

  84. Hodag says:

    What is the most ancient hatred out there? I think the Greek/Turk fiasco started in the 1200s. Isreal/Arab is older but without a Jewish state for two thousand years I call it a fresh hatred. There are still Assyrians….who do they hate? Ireland v England ?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  85. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Update: Norwegian political figure Hans Lysglimt Johansen (activist and leader of a right-wing, nationalist political party, the Alliance Party), says the conference organizers were allowed to contact Dr. Johnson, still in jail as of the 11 AM hour Norway time (5am hour EST), now 24 hours after the conference raid and the dragging away of Johnson.

    Dr. Johnson is “appealing the ruling” that he is a threat to national security because of his political beliefs. The situation is a little confused as to what happens next. Johnson will be forced to leave Norway but may be able to enter Portugal.

    I suspect the chances are high Johnson ends up banned from Europe, like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer.

    [MORE]

    Here is Johansen interviewed on the Johnson case on Norway’s public-funded news broadcaster (also interviewed is right-wing figure Frodi Midjord):

  86. Generally speaking, there seems to be growing momentum in the U.S. for abolishing Daylight Savings Time, although more so on the Spring Ahead weekend when you get one less hour of sleep than on this Fall Back weekend.

    I dunno … I live nine time zones ahead of you, and I’m surprised how much both of our days overlap. I don’t really think I gain or lose any sleep with the changes, and it would seem to be the same for you. In the old days Wokeness was a synonym of insomnia.

  87. @Redneck farmer

    Evinrudes?

    The Chinese can’t make inflatible rubber boats that don’t leak air. Haven’t you had that trouble with the kind of cheap, knock-off rubber boat you can buy from Walmart?

  88. @Anonymous

    Sorry to nit pick, but an O-3 salary never reaches six figures, even with the housing allowance. An O-3 of that age would probably be making about $70-80 k base salary, plus a housing allowance if living off base.

    Add the housing allowance and the total could be in the $80-90 k range, depending on whether there are dependents.

    That level of pay, plus an extremely generous retirement package, is not a bad life, but not six figures.

    Your main point is absolutely correct. The guy has a decent salary and fantastic benefits from Uncle Sam, but betrays his country for a few dollars more.

  89. @MEH 0910

    “If you want to see what actual, qualified researchers in this field make of it, check out this excellent primer”

    Is this the first sighting in the wild of “The Mismeasure Of Man 2.0” ?

  90. Steve

    Get the book MANCORN…….it was written by a PHD Anthropologist and this book is based upon extensive archaeological evidence….The White Liberals in the Anthropology Profession still have not been able to refute the finding of the Author…which is:The gentle and kind Hopi were VICIOUS CANNIBALS!!!….Now let my other post through…for I am becomming very annoyed….

  91. MANCORN….The Hopi weren’t no Lotus Eaters……

  92. @Anonymous

    Since most of the physical stuff Americans have is made in China, I can only assume Fan Yang was repatriating those boats. Jokes aside, should we assume the Chinese can’t make an inflatable boat? Did you know that, unlike SpaceX, China’s space program already sent some living creatures in space, at a tenth of the cost?

  93. @Paleo Liberal

    Why conclude that he did it for money? Far more likely that he is a Chinese patriot.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  94. RVBlake says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Agree with your remarks about O-3, however the retirement is not guaranteed. A Navy officer must be at the Lieutenant Commander (O-4) level for a guarantee of a 20-year retirement. Otherwise, after the second “passover” by a selection board, it’s Severance Check and discharge.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  95. bomag says:
    @Steve Holt

    The message of the video was that racism is a mechanism white people use to feel good about themselves; that POC don’t want to be around or engage white people because of racism.

    Tell me, Steve Holt, what’s the downside?

  96. bomag says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    …the Chinese side is closed to civilians altogether

    Borders can be controlled? I didn’t know that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  97. @Dtbb

    I agree.

    The middle schools around here start early, so they can reuse the buses for elementary and high schools. Most of my kids went to a magnet middle school. That meant a longer walk to the bus stop, and theirs was the first stop. By mid-late October they were walking to the bus stop in the dark, at one point crossing a road with a fair amount of morning traffic.

  98. JMcG says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    He didn’t betray his country. He’s Chinese.

  99. JMcG says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the book recommendation, I just ordered it.

  100. Paleoconn says:

    Newfoundland and Labrador, the easternmost Canadian province is always a half hour off from the other maritime provinces

  101. Kiel says:
    @Steve Holt

    “One good thing is that white men will soon be a minority in the west. Another is that white girls are attracted to Men of Colour”

    Don’t worry, it takes a white man AND a white woman to make white girls.

    White women are effectively committing suicide and will be a minority soon enough.

    The only thing white women hate more than their men is themselves.

    . . . sort of like Jews, really, when ya’ think about it.

  102. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember when I was in high school Minneapolis and St Paul went on DST at different times. My dad, who worked in Minneapolis at the time was not pleased.

  103. Ganderson says:
    @MEH 0910

    Van der Merwe? That’s funny!

  104. Ganderson says:

    I surprised, Achmed, that you didn’t post this:

  105. anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    That motor is not your Grandpa’s old 25 horse, Mr. farmer. The Chinese seem to think there is something worth studying about it. Perhaps they are hoping that there is a way to interfere with it electronically while in operation. In which case we will see how fast the SEALs can paddle.

  106. @Anonymous

    Everyone gets one more hour of daylight to enjoy after school/work than they would otherwise have, which is a big advantage for anyone who enjoys, well, the light of day.

    Then again children do not have to go to school as much in the dark on icy roads when the clocks shift to winter time. And at more northerly latitudes, it stays light much later on the summer evenings anyway, even without DST.

    There are so many pros and cons to changing that vary according to latitude and climate, that no one can see the whole picture.

  107. ” . . . the Hopi Are Still Mad at the Navajo After 600 Years . . . ”

    Constant war and brutality was the norm for indigenous peoples of North America.

    If the English colonizers had not prevailed in the race for North America, there would still be endless wars by and between the Indian Tribes/Nations and the lesser European colonizers.

    The Anglo-American 13 Colonies imposed peace and order on North America. With the exception of the War Between the States, basically war-free compared to the Old World. Asian and African history prior to European contact is especially bloody and brutal. The Middle East was and is constant bloodshed for millennia. In their DNA?

    American Indians are more numerous now than in 1600. And we know a lot more about them now than was known in 1600. It is only because Europeans brought reading, history writing, archaeology to North America that the world knows anything about American Indians.

    Oh, and the Europeans brought clocks.

  108. @Steve Holt

    She is more right than wrong, in that whites who try to deny their racism are largely lying to themselves. Such whites believe in equality and universal love and can’t accept that they react negatively to so much that blacks (and some other groups) do. Isn’t it time to say, yes, you’re right, Ms. DiAngelo; yes, you’re right, Ta-Nehisi Coates: that is just the way we are. Once in a while we meet a black adult who amazes us by not triggering any of our distaste, but those occasions are too exceptional to count. The plain fact is, we would be delighted to live in a world where we almost never came into contact with your kind. We aren’t genocidal, and we’ve been indoctrinated to think it’s wrong to have negative reactions, instinctively, to anyone, but we do. Maybe if we went and lived in an all-black part of Baltimore or St. Louis or Chicago that would cure us and we’d overcome our instinctive rejection and be ready to embrace all of humanity, as recommended in the “Ode to Joy.” But until then, sorry, our real desire is to flee, to find some corner of the planet where we simply don’t have to listen to you, or watch out for you, at all. We have simply had enough! We are fed up with you and with trying to please you and trying to compromise our necessary self-duty with our supposed Christian duty toward you. Otherwise, we wish you the best.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  109. prosa123 says:

    Today’s end of DST saved me massive inconvenience. I recently started an overnight job on Staten Island and use the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. The bridge closed at 7am today for the NYC Marathon, and as I get out of work at 6:45am that almost certainly would have required me to take a meandering route through New Jersey. Not a pleasant prospect after a 12-hour shift.
    But wait! Because of the time change I left at 5:45, and had ample time to make it over the bridge.

  110. @Jack Henson

    Solutreans, modern day France, picked their way, or were swept, along the ice sheets to land that is now the Grand Banks. The rest is not yet history.

  111. RonaldB says:
    @Elli

    ” I actually listened to 6 min 33 sec of Robin …”

    You have LOTS, LOTS more endurance than I have.

  112. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Look, it’s “settled” science that time is racist.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/rutgers-professor-even-the-concept-of-time-is-racist/

  113. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    No he did not betray “his country”, he sold out a foreign polity to which he pled allegiance. His DNA won out over his words.

    The money was the dessert topping.

  114. Time is too precious to let the government mess with it.

  115. Muggles says:

    Another obscure time zone fact. Back when I used to go there for work, the official time zone in Saudi Arabia was “sun time.” Though the western businesses and airlines used the geographic time zone adjacent to it.

    Once flying from Saudi Arabia to Iran we were nearly late for takeoff since Iran was on a different time zone (as mentioned) than the surrogate Saudi one. Fortunately as we were sitting and drinking beers killing time (back in the Shah era) some locals came looking for us and we made the flight. Nice folks those Iranians back then.

    Better check w/ locals or airlines for those exotic trips and local time.

    What I don’t think is mentioned here is the idea of “Indian time.” Which is whenever they choose to show up. Not a racist concept since most res Indians will use that excuse and others adjust for it.

  116. @John Cunningham

    Very strong chance of him considering China his real country rather than his country of citizenship.

    You may be correct as to his thinking.

    Not everyone thinks the way Daniel Inoue thought.

  117. They used to have annual small scale riots in Madison when the clocks turned back.

    They used to turn back the clocks the Sunday before Halloween.

    Bar time in Madison is 2:00 AM. Once a year, the bars get to stay open an extra hour, because after 1:59 is 1:00, so they have one more hour.

    One year in the early part of this century, some college students got extra drunk in the extra hour, went into the street (State St for anyone who has ever been to Madison. It is a trafficless street that connects the University of Wisconsin with the state Capitol), and started smashing stuff up.

    For some reason, Midwestern college students who read about the riot thought it sounded like fun. Within a few years, college students from all over the area would descend upon Madison for the Halloween Riot.

    The City of Madison found a creative way to stop the riots.

    There is now an annual Freakfest in Madison the Saturday before Thanksgiving, with live bands. A paid ticket is required to even set foot on State Street than evening. Security is incredibly tight.

    The first year of Freakfest my wife and I went with another middle aged couple. As soon as we got to State St., my friend brought out two beers and handed me one. We both opened our beers. He took a drink. I had the beer up to my lips, noticed a police woman standing close by looking right at me, and I put down the beer. We both had to pour out our beer, and my friend was taken away in handcuffs. I missed getting cuffed and booked by a fraction of a second and my excellent peripheral vision.

  118. @RVBlake

    Thanks for the info and clarification.

    I didn’t know when that took hold in the Navy.

    I have heard that in the Army the rank of Major is often short lived. They tend to have a Lt Colonel track, a General track and a discharge track. From stories I’ve heard, someone can be a Captain for a number of years, the get promoted to Major and very quickly promoted to Lt Colonel. I once taught at a college where the head of ROTC for that college and two others was a young Major who appeared to be on the General track. He had been mentored by Colin Powell. He had just been promoted to Major, and was told he would spend about two years at the ROTC then get promoted to Lt Colonel. I mentioned this to a student of mine who was an Army brat. The brat’s father was a Lt Colonel. The brat told me his father spent many years as a Captain, then the higher ups decided to keep him rather than discharge him. So he was made a Major, spent only a few years as Major, and on to Lt Colonel for the rest of his Army career.

    But, those are just two anecdotes from the late 1990s. Doesn’t mean that is how things are done in 2019.

  119. @Hodag

    How old is Vietnam vs. China?

  120. @Hail

    Congress got rid of year round Daylight Savings Time about a year after voting it in in late 1973.

  121. Hail says: • Website
    @Interferon

    the optimal time to go to bed is around 8:00 PM and waking up at 4:00. Year round, with no DST.

    I’ve had a job where I eventually figured out it was okay, most days, to start/end at almost any time, as long as I got my hours in. I shifted towards a sleep schedule about like the one you describe, asleep 9pm to 4am. I got in to work by 5am or 5:30am if ‘late,’ in the dark, and yet was definitely happiest and most productive on that schedule.

    There is something liberating about this sleep schedule, which the great majority of us modern people generally only get if doing lo-tech camping/backpacking (at which time sunset is really the end of the day and you’d damn well better stop moving and set up camp for the night; the dark hours after civil twilight ends and before the next day’s begin are a time of peace, quiet, dark, little or no activity).

    There are many among us who, by choice (mixed with social compulsion), lead a schedule of living most of life in the hours between twilight and midnight, which inevitably means either being asleep for, and/or sluggish during, much of our daylight hours.

    There may be a political lesson in there, somewhere.

    • Replies: @Lot
  122. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles

    Dr Greg should have been a radical muslim preacher

    The government of (Norwegian Conservative Party) Prime Minister Erna Solberg has apparently used a clause in Norway’s immigration law to deport Johnson. The clause says any foreigner who is an extraordinary threat to the “fundamental national interest,” despite said foreigner having committed no crime, may be deported. So they confirm they are not arresting him for anything specific he said or did that contravenes Norwegian law.

    (So Dr. Greg Johnson is today’s “Lenin shipped off in a sealed train car,” too dangerous to unseal until he reaches someone else’s territory.)

    I wonder how many ISIS-supporter Muslim imams have been deported from Norway under this clause (paragraph 126)?

    _____________

    From an interview between Scandinavian right-wing political organizer Frodi Midjord and lawyer for Dr. Greg Johnson, John Christian Elden:

    Midjord: When [Dr. Greg Johnson] asked if he was arrested, they said Yes, but they didn’t say why. …Do the police have to tell a person why he was arrested?

    Elden: Yes. The police always have to to do that. What they’ve done in this case is they say, “He’s not arrested; he’s put in custody under the Alien Act,” which means to say he is a threat to Norwegian security. So they’ve put him in prison for two days and will deport him out of Norway. […]

    Elden: They say he represents right-wing arguments, that he is an extremist, …and that it will create danger f or the Norwegian society if he is allowed to speak in Norway.

    Midjord: “Is it illegal to have right-wing opinions in Norway?

    Elden: “Until today, I didn’t think so.”

    [MORE]

    Paragraph 126 states in part:

    Out of regard for fundamental national interests, an administrative decision may be made regarding expulsion [of a foreigner in Norway]…

    The hundreds of thousands of Muslims in today’s Norway are okay, but a single right-wing speaker, a totally peaceful and nonviolent one, is banned in the name of the Fundamental National Interest.

    • Replies: @Lot
  123. Lot says:
    @Hail

    In our ancestral environment, there was a warmth and light trade off in winter. It might be light at the crack of dawn, but it is a lot colder than an hour or two after sunset. I don’t think we can assume our ancestors preferred the light.

    When I had flexible hour and long commute jobs, I alternated between avoiding rush hour by going early some weeks and by heading out at 10:15 other weeks.

  124. Lot says:
    @Hail

    He’s a Neo-Nazi in a country that suffered horrible crimes by Hitler, and the mass murder of 77 teenagers by a Neo-Nazi 8 years ago.

    They have no obligation to let such a person enter.

    • Replies: @Hail
  125. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    Those statements suggest you are getting and using CNN talking points. It’s like saying foreign Marxist scholars should be banned totally from Norway because of Stalin’s gulags; or that Israeli Jews with known ties to the Israeli Right should be banned from Norway over the killings overseen by Ariel Sharon in the 1980s.

    PS, apparently Greg Johnson will be deported to Hungary at 10:45am Norway time (4:45am EST, Nov. 4). Which will be “police raid on the lawful political conference the Scandza Forum, +48hrs.” Forty-eight hours a political prisoner.

    [MORE]

    It’s possible people are working behind the scenes right now to pressure the Orban government to deny Dr. Johnson entry on arrival. Possibly including the US State Department. (The US State Dept is supposed to help US citizens abroad, but in this case…)

    Dr. Tom Sunic on the Greg Johnson arrest/expulsion:

    Makes me think about terror in communist ex-Yugoslavia where I grew up. At least we could recognize the enemy. All dissidents were called “fascist CIA agents.” Censorship & intellectual terror have now been brought to academic perfection in the so-called free West.

    • Replies: @Lot
  126. @Hail

    What does a time-zone-adjustment “bombing” look like? Malcontents grumbling? Bad reviews on Yelp? Airplanes falling out of the sky?

    Among other complaints, it negatively affected agricultural productivity, and you don’t want to make farmers angry in any country, let alone one as export-driven as Chile.

    This experiment didn’t even last as long as the weirdest time zone ever:

    1919: From July 1st, the standard time was changed, adopting as the official time, the meridian time of the Astronomical Observatory of Lo Espejo in Santiago that is, 4 hours, 42 minutes, 46.3 seconds, corresponding to 70°41’34.5’’ W, of Greenwich, instead of zone 20 of the terrestrial time zone. Information spread by the Bulletin No. 24, notice No. 103/1919.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120306042032/http://www.horaoficial.cl/ing/horaof_ing.html

    You’d have to change your watch 17 minutes, 52.7 seconds upon arrival!

  127. @bomag

    Borders can be controlled? I didn’t know that.

    When I said the Chinese side was closed to civilians, I didn’t mean the border. I meant the whole county, district, or whatever along the Afghan border.

    The equivalent here would be making every county, or city ward, from Brownsville to Imperial Beach a military reservation.

    But not an Indian one. The St Regis reservation on the New York-Quebec border is notorious for being a smuggling conduit.

  128. @Tono Bungay

    She is more right than wrong, in that whites who try to deny their racism are largely lying to themselves.

    The only legitimate reply to charges of racism is IRDGAF. The word has been dishonest from the beginning.

  129. Race Does Not Exist, But the Hopi Are Still Mad at the Navajo After 600 Years

    Any bakers here?

    There’s a rule of thumb (which I just learned, and saw the missus just break) that the best results come when you mix all the dry ingredients separately from the wet ones, and combine them only when both are already mixed.

    I wonder if this works with races and subraces. Make sure that all the subraces of one race have assimilated to one another before attempting to mix them with another race. Whites have pretty much done this in the US, after decades of minimal white immigration and maximal intermarriage.

    However, if your wet ingredients won’t mix after a long, vigorous attempt, it’s probably best to abandon it. Just don’t pour them into the dry batch. Why ruin both?

  130. Trutherator says: • Website
    @songbird

    A friend of mine once spent several weeks living with the Hopis. He told me they had a centuries old prophecy that white men would show up and save them from the ravages of the Navajo, who had hounded them from one area to another for generations.

  131. @ScarletNumber

    It’s all the fault of the Railways.

  132. Pheasant says:
    @Houston 1992

    You mean you are asking this Jewish woman for a rationale that does not boil down to antisemities are stupid?

    You bigoted evil nazi you!

  133. Pheasant says:
    @Lot

    Hey Lot try and police some more peoples thoughts will you?

    That will not create any resentment of you or your kind will it?

    Control freak.

  134. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “ It’s like saying foreign Marxist scholars should be banned totally from Norway because of Stalin’s gulags; or that Israeli Jews with known ties to the Israeli Right should be banned from Norway over the killings overseen by Ariel Sharon in the 1980s.”

    I guess I missed the “Israeli Right”’s unprovoked invasion and bloody occupation of Norway, as well as the mass murder of 77 Norwegian teenagers done by a local Israeli rightist.

    I’d have no problem with Norway banning the entry of Stalinists. That’s really an issue for them to decide, but the idea a foreigner has “free speech” rights to not be barred from a nation for his views is absurd.

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  135. Lagertha says:

    hahhahhaaa! Can’t believe you posted this! The schism between Hopi & Navajo have to do with goats and silver.

  136. JMcG says:
    @Lot

    You misspelled Palestine. Oops, I meant that you misspelled Lebanon.

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  137. Lot says:
    @JMcG

    Palestine doesn’t exist anymore.

    But Lebanon doesn’t let in Israelis, so there you go!

  138. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    But Lebanon doesn’t let in Israelis,

    מבצע שלום מבצע של”ג

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