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Q. Does Race Exist? A. It's Good Enough for Government Work.

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One of the weirder contradictions of contemporary dogma is the belief that race does not exist combined with the government’s obsession with counting everybody by self-identified race. If race doesn’t exist, you’d think that, say, the Obama Administration would be under a lot of pressure from its supporters to dump the racial/ethnic classification system. Strangely enough, it never seems to occur to all the True Believers to ask their friends running the federal government to change the system.

About 15 years ago, I wrote a long series of articles for VDARE in which I started out with a lot of anecdotes I had saved up over the years about how absurd the government’s racial/ethnic classification system was. But by the time I had gotten to the end, it struck me that the methods were, well, good enough for government work.

One of the common cliches is that race doesn’t exist at the genetic level. But there’s almost never any citation of the huge amount of data generated by genome analyses in the 21st century, which says the opposite.

In reality, not only does race pretty much exist, but self-identification is, at present, a reasonable way to get at the genetic reality.

The National Children’s Study was going to be a giant longitudinal study of nature and nurture — like National Longitudinal Study of Youth 1979 that was featured in The Bell Curve, but with DNA data from 100,000 children and their parents and then 21 years of environmental influences, including chemical traces in the home — that was approved by Congress in optimistic, budget-surplusy 2000. It was going to be like the Apollo Program of the human sciences, but it turned out more like the F-35, with eventual calls for 250,000 children and maybe $30 billion in spending. In 2014 the National Institutes of Health canceled the study after $1.3 billion had been spent getting ready to start. It’s pretty embarrassing for America.

There is, however, some data from the Vanguard pilot study for the NCS that started in 2009.

From Genome Biology:

Genetic ancestry of participants in the National Children’s Study
Erin N Smith, Kristen Jepsen, Angelo D Arias, Peter J Shepard, Christina D Chambers and Kelly A Frazer
Genome Biology 2014 15:R22

We estimated the genetic ancestry of a convenience sample of 641 parents enrolled at the 7 original NCS Vanguard sites, by analyzing 30,000 markers on exome arrays, using the 1000 Genomes Project superpopulations as reference populations, and compared this with the measures of self-reported ethnicity and race. For 99% of the individuals, self-reported ethnicity and race agreed with the predicted superpopulation. …

Conclusions
Our data suggest that self-reported ethnicity and race have some limitations in accurately capturing Hispanic and South Asian populations. Overall, however, our data indicate that despite the complexity of the US population, individuals know their ancestral origins, and that self-reported ethnicity and race is a reliable indicator of genetic ancestry.

I had never heard the word “superpopulations” before as a euphemism for continental-scales races, but it’s not the worst word I’ve come across.

Screenshot 2016-02-12 00.20.33

By my quick count, out of 641 adults, 33 self-identified as Multiracial or Other, while 608 chose a single race/ethnicity bucket for themselves.

Of those 608, 600 (98.7%) turned out on their DNA test to be primarily what they self-identified as, while 8 of 608 turned out different.

Among the 430 people who self-identified as non-Hispanic white, 427 had their self-identifications confirmed by the genome analysis as of European ancestry, while 3 turned out to be “Admixed American” (another neologism, this time for mestizo).

When multiple superpopulations were plausible, they were all included as expected matches. For example, we expected self-reported Hispanic African Americans to be most similar to either the African (AFR) or the American Admixed (AMR) 1KG superpopulations. We did not include those that identified themselves as Multiracial or Non-Hispanic Other (a total of 33 individuals) in the concordance estimates. For the NCS participants, we observed high levels of agreement between estimated genetic ancestry and self-reported ethnicity and race (Figure 1). Overall, we observed high levels of agreement between self-report and estimated ancestry, with 601/608 (98.8%) concordant calls. …

Of the seven discordantly assigned individuals, six matched their second most likely super population group, and the remaining one matched their third most likely group.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that the U.S. government’s racial categories are ideal. In particular, the decision to lump South Asians in with East Asians that was made under the Carter and Reagan Administrations to enable South Asians to get in on government contracting affirmative action and minority development low interest loans doesn’t make a lot of genetic sense:

For the Non-Hispanic Asian population, we observed two clearly distinct populations: those closely related to the ASN population, which is composed of Han Chinese individuals (from Beijing and Southern China), Chinese individuals from Denver (CO), Japanese individuals, and Kinh individuals from Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam); and those closely related to the SAN population, which is a population composed of Gujarati Indian individuals from Texas (Figure 1; see Additional file 1). While of related ancestry, these two populations can be clearly discriminated genetically, and the currently used race category of ‘Asian’ does not adequately distinguish between individuals of South Asian versus East Asian descent, highlighting the relevance of using genetically determined ancestry rather than self-reported ancestry alone.

But virtually no white people have ever noticed they’re being hoodwinked over this, and the naive wheels don’t get any grease.

 

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  1. If races are, as Steve Sailer has said, very large in-bred populations, wouldn’t it make sense that a person would know their own family, even if it’s a big one?

    Denying races existing but enforcing laws against racism strikes me as denying witches exist but enforcing laws against witchcraft.

    Slightly off-topic: Did you notice that an Air Force major general fainted dead away during an F-35 briefing. One Air Force official said something like, “The F-35 will do that to you.” Glad I’ll never have to fly one; sorry my tax dollars are supporting this boondoggle.

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  2. Dog breed doesn’t exist

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  3. Do shoes exist? On the one hand, you would think, obviously, ‘yes.’ On the other hand: we have shoes. We have boots. What do you call a shoe with a heel? Or a shoe with extra ankle support? What do you call a shoe that is designed with vibram soles, is brown, and is intended to be used to hike in the woods? Is it a shoe or a boot? What do you call a low cut boot with laces? On the fringes, it is hard to tell.

    Since shoes (and boots) can’t be fully distinctly defined, shoes (and boots) do not exist.

    This frivolous example has a purpose. The entire argument is Wittgenstein, and his ‘family resemblances.’

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  4. Check out your local SS offices that dispense disability and other goodies. I hear that only foreigners and minorities are employed there and that they give their homies inside track on scoring disability etc. IOW you have to know someone and bribe that someone who just so happens to be the same ethnic group as you, be it black, muslim, Hispanic, angry Samoan, Aleutian Islander and so on…

    —IOW close enough for affirmative action government work. A limping disabled white man on crutches who goes in there will never get a thing.

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    If race has no genetic basis, what did they test the self-identified race against?

  6. If they just meant that race was skin deep, i.e. color differences were genetic but nothing else, it would make more sense. But they try to argue that the whole thing is a social construct, which makes no sense.

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    You guys are being willfully ignorant.

    Race and “white people” do to exist.

    However, racism and it’s partner white privilege certainly do.

    How can you people not understand that?

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  8. The Left asininely maintains that race exists as a social construct but not as a biological reality.

  9. Race definitely exists for the driver of the bus I’m taking to work right now, who just let one of his fellow black guys on without paying.

  10. Races exist, but they are fuzzy around the edges and there is no scientific test that can determine precisely where the borders lie. For example, if Dred Scott was still in force, there would be no completely accurate way to determine whether certain individuals were citizens or farm machinery.

    One would have to make up laws, for example that race was determined by the mother, not the father, or by either, or by mandatory DNA testing.

    That is why government would rather not make laws that differentiate on race, except a few giving preferences to descendants of slaves, which don’t work very effectively, because they also benefit many people who are not the descendants of slaves. For example Barack Obama gets a racial preference just like his daughters who ARE descendants of slaves, which he is not. Colin Powell is a descendant of slaves, but not slaves in the US, but apparently also has ancestors who were not slaves, and so on.

    However we don’t have laws that make killing a white person homicide and killing a black person a property offense, which would be the case if Dred Scott had not been reversed.

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  11. Skin color and DNA sequences are both equally physical manifestations of the reality of race. There is nothing magical about DNA, but most people can’t break the habit of thinking about it as if it were some kind of ghost in the machine. It is not a ghost in the machine. In fact, it’s not even the machine. It is simply an organ system like the digestive tract—the system responsible for protein synthesis—whose workings should not be considered any more mysterious than the latter just because it is microscopic.

    Race is first and foremost a spiritual reality. It is derivatively a biological reality. Both are malleable within certain limits, but the situation is extremely complicated and the degree of blinking away racial realities demanded by our current social structure has already reached and exceeded the limits of malleability. It’s time to stop now.

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  12. Something not many people may have noticed is that most ‘White Hispanics’ tested in the American Admixed population, suggesting people of mixed indigenous and European population may prefer to identify as ‘White’. This probably explains the occasionally-remarked-on bit that many Hispanics are identifying as white, and (I’d guess) reflects the Latin American caste system, where you can move up the color bar a few notches if you’re successful.

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  13. I’ve noticed a trend in Britain to say “mixed race”, but it seems to be monopolised by just one mix viz white/negro. Why is this particular mix being privileged? Why the lack of diversity in “mixed race”? I think it’s at the very least a micro-aggression, but perhaps it’s fully-fledged racism?

    P.S. It really is “mixed race”: no “mixed ethnic group” or “mixed population” rubbish.

  14. It damn sure exists on the Nebraska transit system!

    Steve-O; I furnish for you, The Great White Defendant, issue 176,098…

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  15. You guys needs to read this discussion, especially the last 2 pages and focus on the comments by Filipino American Dante Gabriel

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/137080-colonialism-ah-ye-olde-glorie/&page=6

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  16. “the decision to lump South Asians in with East Asians to get in on government contracting affirmative action…virtually no white people have ever noticed they’re being hoodwinked over this”

    Steve has mentioned this multiple times but I’ve never understood what’s supposed to be the scam here. Both South Asians and East Asians are highly successful so it’s not as if South Asians are trying to attach themselves to a URM. The classification of South Asians as White doesn’t make much sense if you consider race as kinship…iSteve readers certainly aren’t thinking of Indians when they talk of protecting the white race.

    In addition, California bans affirmative action in all government institutions, including state government contracting and Asian Americans strongly support the ban. So where’s the evidence of underhandness? Indeed, the underhandedness is on the side which insists that South Asians consider themselves white when it comes to non-existent affirmative action but should also stop immigrating to “white” America and intermarrying with white Americans ’cause, well, they aren’t really white.

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  17. Ask a liberal academic doctor “Is race a social construct?” or “Is there such a thing as race?” If you ask them in a social context, they will give the politically correct answer “There is no such thing as race.”

    However, if you go to their office for a medical problem, the first thing they do is profile you according to race and national/ethnic group. Because it’s handy. Blacks are more likely to have sickle cell and colon cancer, Ashkenazi jews are more likely to have Tay-Sachs, east asians are most likely lactose intolerant, and so on. The CDC website will provide you with graphs of incidence rates sorted by race and ethnicity.

    Read Nicholas Wade’s “A Troublesome Inheritance” for another perspective on genes and race.

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  18. Race is downplayed when advocating mass immigration or sharing government resources and government redistribution. Race is hyped when advocating racial injustice and affirmative action racial redistribution and also when emotionally firing up a racial demographic.

    Everyone knows race exists. Also, everyone knows that the government racial taxonomy is highly flawed. Hindu Asians are obviously different than Han Chinese Asians, that’s blatantly obvious to everyone. But, self reported racial taxonomies are basically impossible to get right. Ideally, move to a spit test derived ethnic profile that fully compensates for admixture, but that would be politically difficult.

  19. In Latin America, whiter is better.

    In the US white is wack, thus we see people like Rube identifying as a “minority”.

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  20. “One of the weirder contradictions of contemporary dogma is the belief that race does not exist combined with the government’s obsession with counting everybody by self-identified race.”

    Nope. Can’t make this stuff up anymore.

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  21. “Race does not exist” is the conventional coward’s way of partially acknowledging and resolving the cognitive dissonance around the fact that a person may belong to multiple race groups in such a mismatched identity as to emotionally & practically belong with one group but actually be mathematically, thus naturally a lot more similar to a different one, cf. national TV’s long-running series The Real Mulatto Overlords of Washington D.C. Instead of articulating the ways white-black taxonomy is corrosively simplistic, deniers just punt and thus keep it murky, not to mention ripe for political stampeding. You’ve pointed out before that the intellectual quality of U.S. “With us/Against us” race rhetoric is impoverished, in fact made idiotic, by the lack of gradations as in the Latin American culture. As a result there are healthy incentives for racial imposture and de-assimilation. But we couldn’t adopt a finer-tuned system even if we thought we wanted to: the relatively new “Asian” example proves that any attempt to faithfully categorize people will only inflame the whiniest’s amour propre and flash-mob any sincere effort for getting to a descriptive and accurate set of labels. It is obviously preposterous to lump Gandhi and Khalid Sheik Mohammed in with Shaolin monks and Yul Brynner/Natalie Wood, however, admitting race exists would be “unfair” which is SO much worse than arduous collective hallucination at great expense.

  22. Truff, you are smart enough that 95% of the the time the opposite takes place. White bus drivers being assaulted by unruly and deranged black passengers. Nebraska is old school enough, meaning does not cater to minorities, that the white bus driver was able to get away with beating up the black passenger. Truff knows this will never fly in most major cities. Al Shaptooooon will fly in with his money grubbing lawyers and demonstrations will ensue.

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  23. Years ago I attended a lecture at UVM (University of Vermont) entitled, “Can Race be Erased?” The researchers (I think that they were from UCLA) were seeing if in certain experiments subjects could be induced not to recognize or remember the race of the persons pictured. I don’t remember the precise methodology. They said that your brain automatically encodes three things when you first meet someone: sex, approximate age and race. Automatic encoding means that there’s nothing you can do to prevent it; it occurs at an unconscious level. The first two factors are probably related to reproduction–is this person a potential reproductive partner? Race, the researchers said, is probably a “friend or foe” identifier. In the ancestral environment incorrectly identifying an enemy could be quickly and unpleasantly fatal–you needed every clue you could get.

  24. Clickbait. If you’re that desperate to have your blather read just post it here and save us all a lot of effort and time.

  25. As far as whether race exists or not, John Novembre’s “Genetic Map of Europe” offers food for thought. Razib reprinted one version of it back in September.

    “European ethnicity” is a much harder problem than “race” (qua “superpopulation”). Yet the map shows how far one can get with a few thousand well-selected saliva samples, SNP-chip analysis, computational horsepower, and cleverness. Not only that, but the results are intriguing: All it takes is the first and second principal components to produce the North-South and East-West gradients of the continent.

    What do people who believe in the non-existence of race think that the map is portraying? Their heads should explode. Thank goodness for the power of cognitive dissonance!

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  26. “Their heads should explode.” Excellent policy; how do you propose to bring it about?

  27. Not to brag, but I am also distantly related to Booker T. Jones :

    http://www.straight.com/music/636771/booker-t-jones-gets-little-help-his-friends

    Though my son said “you’re the whitest guy I know” when I claimed Native American and Jewish ancestry. I am going to submit to ancestral DNA testing and get to the bottom of this controversy.

  28. Races exist, but they are fuzzy around the edges and there is no scientific test that can determine precisely where the borders lie.

    There are many many things where science can’t determine precisely where the borders lie, but that doesn’t mean we have to expunge all knowledge of that field from our brains.

    Mathematicians can’t precisely determine what it means to divide by zero. Does that mean zero doesn’t exist?

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    Movies.

    ASHBY. So horrible I lasted 15 min.

    BURYING THE EX. Has the sprightly Ashley Green of Twilight and was directed by sometimes interesting Joe Dante. So vile I lasted 20 min.

    PARTISAN. Has to be the most bogus ‘art film’ in a long time. An theorem decked with pastiche of art house cliches. Impressive looking but empty and phony. ‘Serious’ but never convincing. Strange but strained. Fast-Forwarded through most after 20 min.

    Finished second half of BRIDGE OF SPIES. Hokum like THE TERMINAL, but some things in it stay in your mind even when you know it’s hokum.

  30. Marty [AKA "coot veal or cot deal"]
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    Another unexpected bit of truth emerged on talk radio this morning. Asked if anyone makes any money in the wine business, Carmen Policy, former President of the 49′ers and all around Mr. Competent, admitted “nobody I know – maybe Tom Seaver, since he works it himself.”

  31. There are no race’s, but we’re all racists.
    There are no genders, but concessions and grievances are based on gender.
    Death penalty for innocent babies, but not convicted murderers.
    Not allowing abortions is a “War on Women”, but half the babies aborted are women.
    Women and minorities are equal, but need concessions to BE equal.
    Gays have rights, to the exclusion of other peoples rights.
    Dems claim to be pro women, and pro immigration, although the immigrants are the most patriarchal, women abusing culture existing.
    The Dem system allows candidates to lock up electoral votes before the citizens even get to vote.

    Yeah, the Dems aren’t real strong on consistent thinking.

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    Good God, man. Spare us your fluff.

  33. “Dog breeds don’t exist”

    As always, there’s a youtube clip for that. Quote

    Europeans invented the concept of ‘breed’ to justify the pet trade

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    Has anyone ever explained how one species could evolve into another species without the process of race-iation?

    I mean that must prove races exist.

    A new species emerges when the accumulation of racial differences from the original species are so great that the two cannot mate any more to produce fertile offsprings.

    If races cannot exist, no species can ever evolve into anything since rise of variations from the original leads to the emergence of new subgroup, aka races.

  35. Steve, great points. Indeed if race does not exist why have racial set asides?

  36. “It is simply an organ system like the digestive tract—the system responsible for protein synthesis—whose workings should not be considered any more mysterious than the latter just because it is microscopic.”

    Your lack of knowledge is stunning.

  37. I had never heard the word “superpopulations” before as a euphemism for continental-scales races, but it’s not the worst word I’ve come across.

    It’s obviously inferior to race, though. “Race” gets the job done in one syllable, and four letters.

    P.S. It really is “mixed race”: no “mixed ethnic group” or “mixed population” rubbish.

    I prefer just plain old “mixed.” As in, “mixed, no race.”

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  38. Race does not always exist:

    ATLANTA – More than 45 current and former Georgia Department of Corrections officers and contract correctional officers have been charged in seven separate federal indictments with smuggling contraband into prisons and with accepting bribe payments in exchange for providing protection for drug deals that were part of a federal undercover operation.

    http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/further-corruption-involving-georgia-department-corrections-guards-exposed

    Why no mugshots?

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  39. I recently had my first child. The New York State forms to get a birth certificate were telling.

    First it’s split into Hispanic and Non-Hispanic. Then the non-Hispanic options are: White, Black / African-American, and then *thirteen* types of Asian. So according to them, Saudis and Swedes fall into the same category, while Koreans and Japanese should be counted separately. Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

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  40. Some photos at http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2016/01/21/corrections-officers-among-51-charged-ga-prison-conspiracy/79127234/

  41. The left-liberal argument is that races are superficial categories (based on skin colour and facial appearance) which whites over-emphasise to put down minorities.

    However, why it is that whites are able to successfully “put down” some minorities and not others. Why for example, do East Asians and middle-class South Asians often out-perform whites, if whites have successfully stereotyped them into superficial categories for the purposes of putting them down.

    Similarly, if whites put blacks into a superificial category to oppress them, why do these people self-identify as black so much? The only possible reasons are that blacks naturally self-identify as black, and so can’t help themselves, or that the AA benefits of identifying as black outweigh the disadvantages. Either way the argument that whites have put blacks into an artificial category that puts them at a disadvantage is very weak.

    If blacks were the same as whites (other than in appearance) then the most rebellious thing for blacks to do would be to act as white as possible. Following liberal logic, that would also be the most effective way to undermine racial labelling and stereotyping by whites.

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  42. sprfls, You and I live in New York State, you surely know who comes up with this stuff.

  43. However, why it is that whites are able to successfully “put down” some minorities and not others. Why for example, do East Asians and middle-class South Asians often out-perform whites, if whites have successfully stereotyped them into superficial categories for the purposes of putting them down.

    Leftists have far less need of your silly logic than you do. Their answer: “because whites aren’t (as?) racist against Asians; it’s not black people’s fault whites hate them more than they hate Asians!”

  44. Decertifying the term “race” as a biologically construct, as recently promoted in the journal “Science” strikes me as word magic. That is not to say that word magic has no hold on the American psyche.
    Science having been stung by making distinctions by the word “race” have simply gone to use hard to argue with operational terms ; “Sub-Saharan Africans” and “Out of Africans. ”
    Changing over from “racial” to operational definition, using Sub-Saharan African instead of Black is today technically easy and not if government funded, too expensive.But, I suggest, with lots of real-world consequences.
    The term “Black” in America covers both pure SSA descendants as well as a goodly number of AMR. These would be put into a bind. Having to overtly label themselves AMR- self identified SSA, self – identified as AMR-AMR or as AMR-Eur could for some be unpleasent
    Whatwould the quota for Acedemy Award nominations look like? Could AMRs self identify? Could Spike Lee unilaterally claim all AMR’s. What would his SSA nomination pool look like without AMRs? Would Whites have to be genetically tested as well
    How would government be different if they used such operational definitions? Genetic testing before granting Affirmative Action? Genetic testing in IQ research? (If there is a real IQ difference between SSA/OoA, removing AMR from the “Black” count should increase the difference in scores over present Black/White data.

    BYW Do you know exactly how the non-Black groups got included into Affirmative Action? I was around then but not super-aware of politics. But my recollection was that it was not in the origibal concept of AA. But a throw-in for “Me-toos” during Congressional deliberation. Perhaps it eased the way for passage?

  45. If blacks were the same as whites (other than in appearance) then the most rebellious thing for blacks to do would be to act as white as possible.


    If blacks were the same as whites (other than in appearance) what would “act white” mean?

  46. “If blacks were the same as whites (other than in appearance) then the most rebellious thing for blacks to do would be to act as white as possible. Following liberal logic, that would also be the most effective way to undermine racial labelling and stereotyping by whites.” – EXCELLENT

    Race for Blacks is an optical fetish by the same logic.

  47. Thank you. That looks like a good channel. It’s nice to see libertarians who aren’t race blind if not outright cucks.

  48. “Since shoes (and boots) can’t be fully distinctly defined, shoes (and boots) do not exist.”

    Not Wittgensteinian, and they do exist, because he also uses the term ‘ostensive definition’, which is to point at something that exists. You don’t even have to name it.

  49. If ‘blinking away racial realities [is] demanded by our current social structure’, which is overwhelmingly liberal/marxist/idealistic, then why are they obsessed with segregating everyone into increasingly defined classes?

  50. Leftlibs don’t want real equality. They want to turn whiteness into second class citizenship, hence the Flight from White that Steve has so diligently documented. Who wants to be on the HMS Whitey when water is rapidly pouring into the gaping hullhole?

  51. Except race can mean “population”, “superpopulation” or “subpopulation” depending on the context.

  52. It’s numbers and advocacy. Koreans are numerous and vocal enough in the US that they get their own category. Saudis, not so much.

  53. White bus drivers being assaulted by unruly and deranged black passengers. Nebraska is old school enough, meaning does not cater to minorities, that the white bus driver was able to get away with beating up the black passenger.

    Hey, what’s old school about a deranged lunatic assaulting a passenger for asking where he can transfer to the #2?

  54. Did I read that right? 84% of those reporting themselves as Hispanic Whites turned out to be predominantly Amerindian?

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    >>>>>
    In Latin America, whiter is better. In the US white is wack, thus we see people like Rube identifying as a “minority”.
    <<<<<<<

    Black is "wack"… always has been… around the world.

    Negro worship is an ancient cult of fringe lunatic hypocrites.

    Volcanic activity at Pompeii built up over decades. All of the intelligent future-oriented people evacuated from the growing danger. There was plenty of time to leave. But low IQ morons refused to leave. This doomed subset had negro porn painted on their walls. They had snarky slogans painted above the entrances to their homes.

    Word. It be true, G.

  56. White privilege? What’s that? Surely it’s not the patrimony left to me by my parents, my grandparents and earlier ancestors who built this society so that they, and their children, could enjoy the benefits? I no more have to give up my patrimonial interests in society than I have to cut you in to be a beneficiary of my estate, an estate that is directed solely to the benefit of my children.

    It’s offensive that minorities and new immigrants are expecting me to disavow my inherited interest in this society that my ancestors played a part in building and that they should be treated as full partners when they, and their ancestors, didn’t contribute at all, or at the same scale.

  57. Look at Table 1 of the paper. Of those who self reported their race as “Asian”, 12 were “ASN” and 9 “SAN”. If they could self report as either “East Asian” or “Asian Indian”, then we would obviously have 12 East Asians falling into “ASN” and 9 Asian Indians falling into “SAN”. Just as “SAN” can easily be discriminated from “ASN”, it can also be easily discriminated from “EUR”, “AFR” or “AMR”.

  58. You can’t define races because race is clinal, smoothly-varying – you can’t say where one ends and the next one begins. Well geographic height is also clinal, and so hills are a meaningless concept.

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    that comparison doesn’t work because the existence of zero does not depend on that

  60. Steve has mentioned this multiple times but I’ve never understood what’s supposed to be the scam here. Both South Asians and East Asians are highly successful so it’s not as if South Asians are trying to attach themselves to a URM.

    It wasn’t a big deal in 1980, and it still isn’t a big deal now, but the South Asians in the United States are not wholly representative of the populations of their ancestral countries. See here.

  61. See here for a defense of white privilege.

    Short version: Englishmen (and their descendents) built the wealthiest and most prosperous civilization in the world, whose laws and customs reward the behaviors and strengths typical of Englishmen, and whose prosperity wouldn’t exist without those same laws and customs. This prosperity was then shared (to a lesser degree) with all others who lived in or came to that civilization. White privilege is the price of living in a country that is both freer and wealthier than almost anywhere else in the world.

  62. “It’s offensive that minorities and new immigrants are expecting me to disavow my inherited interest in this society that my ancestors played a part in building ”

    It’s not minorities and new immigrants, it’s your fellow whites who expect you to do that. Why? I donno, just to keep things interesting, I guess! Whites are about 10-100x above subsistence level, what else is there to do but extend your empathy to humanity and beyond?

    It’s like a Shakespearean play with a diverse cast of characters – men, women, Moors, Jews, Romans! But, for now, all the roles are being played by white Englishmen!

  63. These is an artifact of a weird sort of neo-Cartesianism that is used in some medical and nursing schools. We were taught this explicitly in school: blacks are prone to have some problems, but it has nothing to do with race. This is obviously nonsensical, and you have to hold a view of genetics in which blacks have two sets of characteristics: genes and phenotypes, which are not really related to each other…

  64. One of the weirder contradictions of contemporary dogma is the belief that race does not exist combined with the government’s obsession with counting everybody by self-identified race.

    It’s not about truth, it’s about power. So there’s no contradiction.

  65. My apparently censored comment at around #35 above, can be read here, though not via the link just provided, unless this comment passes the ?liberal censor.

  66. […] Genetic map of Europe. Related: Does race exist? […]

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    I think that race is the way that nature separates one species into two or many. It is the beginning of the difference.

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