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U.C. Berkeley professor of history Yuri Slezkine is the author of the important 2004 book The Jewish Century, which offered an illuminating perspective on the ethnic Jewish role in the Soviet state. I was recently wondering whatever happened to him since I hadn’t heard of him having a new book out since then.

But now he has a War and Peace length new book from Princeton University Press:

The House of Government: A Saga of the Russian Revolution
Yuri Slezkine
Hardcover | 2017 | $39.95 | £29.95 | ISBN: 9780691176949
1128 pp. | 6 x 9 1/4 | 416 b/w illus., 2 maps

It’s about the residents of the luxury apartment building kitty-corner across the river from the Kremlin (a.k.a. the House on the Embankment) that was reserved for the Bolshevist Inner Party, such as Slezkine’s ancestors.

 
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  1. OT

    This throws an interesting sidelight on educated/indoctrinated Goodwhites vs uneducated Badwhites.

    Education ‘teaches you how to be a better liar’: Honesty scores of people who failed to finish school are twice that of those with postgrad degrees

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764254/Education-teaches-better-liar.html

    (I guess there’s always a chance that the academics who carried out this research are not telling the truth)

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    Speaking of the Russian revolution, the English translation of volume iii of Solzhenitsyns Red Wheel (tetralogy?) comes out in November from the U of Notre Dame press.
    , @Desiderius

    OT
     
    Not so much.
    , @res
    Does anyone have a link to the underlying study? I was unable to find it. I am sick of newspaper articles that can't be bothered to give adequate (here, any?) author, title, journal, etc. information for papers they "quote." But I guess that is "Science!" in the Current Year (see l'affaire Damore for copious examples of this).
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  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Starting about 1950, hardly anyone in Russia would be able to identify what “The House of Government” is. It is much better known by its unofficial name “The House on the Embankment”. Built in the constructivist style as a self-sufficient complex that included all possible amenities, it became particularly famous after publication of Yuri Trifonov’s Russian literature classic novel “The House on the Embankment.” It used to be that everyone who’s anyone lived there.

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  3. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    This throws an interesting sidelight on educated/indoctrinated Goodwhites vs uneducated Badwhites.


    Education 'teaches you how to be a better liar': Honesty scores of people who failed to finish school are twice that of those with postgrad degrees
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764254/Education-teaches-better-liar.html

    (I guess there's always a chance that the academics who carried out this research are not telling the truth)

    Speaking of the Russian revolution, the English translation of volume iii of Solzhenitsyns Red Wheel (tetralogy?) comes out in November from the U of Notre Dame press.

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  4. Looks to be a fascinating book if the author has the literary talent to pull it off. Does anybody know? Available in audio, which could prove be an interesting companion on a long road trip.

    Off topic, but reading an Amazon review I came across this far from original observation: “the dictatorship of the proletariat legitimising the dictatorship of the Bolshevik party.”

    Which raises the interesting question: under the new hegemonic dictatorship of underprivileged minorities (people of color, women, homosexuals, transgenders, etc) it is pretty clear who plays the role of the Marxist bourgeoisie — heterosexual white males, red state protestants above all — but who plays the role of the vanguard of the proletariat, of the Bolshevik party itself? Would it be the diversicratic deans and provosts in college and university administrations? The HR departments in private corporations? The administrative judges in charge of Title IX and EEOC and HUD equal housing enforcement?

    We know who the shock troops of the cultural revolution are — SJW’s — but is there a new central committee? A new Lenin or Stalin? And when will the revolution begin eating its own?

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  5. Steve, with your comment about Slezkine’s ancestors being members of the inner party, you seem to be imagining that he comes from some kind of Jewish elite, but in fact his grandfather, the well-known (in the 1920s) writer also named Yuri Slezkine
    (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%91%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%AE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_(%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C) ) was not Jewish; he was, in fact, the son of a Tsarist Lieutenant-General, and a friend of Mikhail Bulgakov.

    Our Yuri Slezkine’s father, Lev Slezkine, was an important historian of the Americas in the Soviet Union, and also not Jewish. Now the younger Yuri Slezkine’s mother, Karma Goldstein (I think the name Karma may be short for Karmela) was presumably Jewish, but I don’t think she was a member of any sort of elite – at least nothing which can be googled or yandexed now.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Zleskine made clear in his last book that his mother's side of the family was Jewish and his father's side was not.
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  6. @Anonymous
    Starting about 1950, hardly anyone in Russia would be able to identify what "The House of Government" is. It is much better known by its unofficial name "The House on the Embankment". Built in the constructivist style as a self-sufficient complex that included all possible amenities, it became particularly famous after publication of Yuri Trifonov's Russian literature classic novel "The House on the Embankment." It used to be that everyone who's anyone lived there.
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  7. @YY
    Steve, with your comment about Slezkine's ancestors being members of the inner party, you seem to be imagining that he comes from some kind of Jewish elite, but in fact his grandfather, the well-known (in the 1920s) writer also named Yuri Slezkine
    (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%91%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%AE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_(%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C) ) was not Jewish; he was, in fact, the son of a Tsarist Lieutenant-General, and a friend of Mikhail Bulgakov.

    Our Yuri Slezkine's father, Lev Slezkine, was an important historian of the Americas in the Soviet Union, and also not Jewish. Now the younger Yuri Slezkine's mother, Karma Goldstein (I think the name Karma may be short for Karmela) was presumably Jewish, but I don't think she was a member of any sort of elite - at least nothing which can be googled or yandexed now.

    Zleskine made clear in his last book that his mother’s side of the family was Jewish and his father’s side was not.

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    All well and good, but what was your basis for saying Yuri's "ancestors" lived in Government House? Because de Joos made the Russian Revolution and all two million of them lived in Government House?
    , @Dmitry134564
    Since when were Jews all members of the 'Bolshevist Inner Party'. You realize Jews were under-represented in the Bolshevik Party after the purges of the 1930s - which is to say, for the majority of Soviet History - and incredibly so in comparison to their educational level.
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  8. I haven’t read his book, and probably won’t (I’ve read a lot about the House on the Embankment as it is), but then, what was the point of your comment about Slezkine’s ancestors being members of the Bolshevik Inner Party? The Slezkines are described as an old aristocratic noble family, and it’s very unlikely that Yuri Slezkine (1885-1947), who was already 33 at the time of the Revolution, was a member of the Bolshevik party at all, let alone the “Inner Party”.

    As for the current Yuri Slezkine’s mother Karma Goldstein, I just found some information about her in a random memoir: she apparently came from a family that moved from Argentina to Birobidzhan – you probably know the story of that; her infant sister froze to death in an unheated barrack (conditions in Birobidzhan weren’t good). Her father volunteered for the army with the start of the war, and was killed in 1941. This is about as un-elite and un-inner party as it gets. At least it explains the name “Karma” – “Carmela” would have been a popular name in Argentina.

    So what’s with the “Inner Party ancestors”?

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  9. @Steve Sailer
    Zleskine made clear in his last book that his mother's side of the family was Jewish and his father's side was not.

    All well and good, but what was your basis for saying Yuri’s “ancestors” lived in Government House? Because de Joos made the Russian Revolution and all two million of them lived in Government House?

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    Triggered.
    , @Hunsdon
    Are we really at the point that de Joos is acceptable here?
    , @Steve Sailer
    Because Slezkine talked about his ancestors living in the big apartment building near the Kremlin in his book "The Jewish Century." I don't recall whether the residents were his Jewish or his gentile side of the family, or both.
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  10. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    This throws an interesting sidelight on educated/indoctrinated Goodwhites vs uneducated Badwhites.


    Education 'teaches you how to be a better liar': Honesty scores of people who failed to finish school are twice that of those with postgrad degrees
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764254/Education-teaches-better-liar.html

    (I guess there's always a chance that the academics who carried out this research are not telling the truth)

    OT

    Not so much.

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  11. For what it’s worth, according to Jewish traditional law (Halacha), if your mother was Jewish, you are Jewish.

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  12. Slezkine’s prior book, The Jewish Century, contained much interesting information on the Jewish role in the Russian revolution, and in the operation of the Cheka (Secret Police) and the Gulag.

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  13. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT

    This throws an interesting sidelight on educated/indoctrinated Goodwhites vs uneducated Badwhites.


    Education 'teaches you how to be a better liar': Honesty scores of people who failed to finish school are twice that of those with postgrad degrees
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764254/Education-teaches-better-liar.html

    (I guess there's always a chance that the academics who carried out this research are not telling the truth)

    Does anyone have a link to the underlying study? I was unable to find it. I am sick of newspaper articles that can’t be bothered to give adequate (here, any?) author, title, journal, etc. information for papers they “quote.” But I guess that is “Science!” in the Current Year (see l’affaire Damore for copious examples of this).

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Here you go:
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2930944
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  14. @International Jew
    All well and good, but what was your basis for saying Yuri's "ancestors" lived in Government House? Because de Joos made the Russian Revolution and all two million of them lived in Government House?

    Triggered.

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  15. @International Jew
    All well and good, but what was your basis for saying Yuri's "ancestors" lived in Government House? Because de Joos made the Russian Revolution and all two million of them lived in Government House?

    Are we really at the point that de Joos is acceptable here?

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  16. @res
    Does anyone have a link to the underlying study? I was unable to find it. I am sick of newspaper articles that can't be bothered to give adequate (here, any?) author, title, journal, etc. information for papers they "quote." But I guess that is "Science!" in the Current Year (see l'affaire Damore for copious examples of this).
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    Thanks! Free full text even. I found the lie taxonomy she used interesting:

    I employ the terminology introduced by Erat and Gneezy (2012): black lies are those that benefit the liar at the expenses of the other person; altruistic white lies are those that benefit another person at a cost for the liar; Pareto white lies are those that benefit both the liar and the other person.
     
    One thing I wonder about is the possibility of selection effects. It does not look like they are doing real survey sampling and I think it especially likely they are not getting a representative sample of people who have not completed high school (not to mention that the meaning of that category has changed as education has become more universal). Figure 3 also shows large error bars for that group so a relatively small sample.
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  17. @Steve Sailer
    Zleskine made clear in his last book that his mother's side of the family was Jewish and his father's side was not.

    Since when were Jews all members of the ‘Bolshevist Inner Party’. You realize Jews were under-represented in the Bolshevik Party after the purges of the 1930s – which is to say, for the majority of Soviet History – and incredibly so in comparison to their educational level.

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  18. @Anonymous
    Here you go:
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2930944

    Thanks! Free full text even. I found the lie taxonomy she used interesting:

    I employ the terminology introduced by Erat and Gneezy (2012): black lies are those that benefit the liar at the expenses of the other person; altruistic white lies are those that benefit another person at a cost for the liar; Pareto white lies are those that benefit both the liar and the other person.

    One thing I wonder about is the possibility of selection effects. It does not look like they are doing real survey sampling and I think it especially likely they are not getting a representative sample of people who have not completed high school (not to mention that the meaning of that category has changed as education has become more universal). Figure 3 also shows large error bars for that group so a relatively small sample.

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  19. A friend of a friend lived in that building, went to some interesting parties there. He was the cultural attaché at the Austrian embassy. Lots of odd backdoors and passage ways.

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  20. “Two Hundred Years Together” by Solzhenitsyn still does not have complete English translation

    https://twohundredyearstogether.wordpress.com

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  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Slezkine appears to be 25% Jewish. Here is what he says in the Inroduction to The Jewish Century:

    “Growing up in the Soviet Union, I was close to both my grandmothers. One, Angelina Ivanovna Zhdanovich, was born to a gentry family … The other, Berta (Brokhe) Iosifovna Kostrinskaia, was born in the Pale of Settlement, never graduated from school, went to prison as a Communist, emigrated to Argentina, and returned in 1931 to take part in the building of socialism.”

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    But it's possible that his Jewish grandmother married a Jewish guy, which would make him half Jewish.
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  22. @Anonymous
    Slezkine appears to be 25% Jewish. Here is what he says in the Inroduction to The Jewish Century:

    "Growing up in the Soviet Union, I was close to both my grandmothers. One, Angelina Ivanovna Zhdanovich, was born to a gentry family ... The other, Berta (Brokhe) Iosifovna Kostrinskaia, was born in the Pale of Settlement, never graduated from school, went to prison as a Communist, emigrated to Argentina, and returned in 1931 to take part in the building of socialism."

    But it’s possible that his Jewish grandmother married a Jewish guy, which would make him half Jewish.

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  23. Ha ha ha… Steve is getting schooled again over his Red Octobrew hobbyhorse. See, that whole commotion was ginned up by Trotsky, Martov, and Dzerzhinsky, or so he had roughly pictured it. And with Emma Goldman loitering somewhere in the back

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  24. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I recall a quote from this guy. He said as a boy he mentioned to his parents that a friend who lived in the same apartment building had told him that his (the friend’s) family was Jewish. His father said something circumspectly to the point that “so are we” and, I think, so are many of the families in the apartment. Does anybody have the exact quote? If may have been in an interview regarding “The Jewish Century”.

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  25. @International Jew
    All well and good, but what was your basis for saying Yuri's "ancestors" lived in Government House? Because de Joos made the Russian Revolution and all two million of them lived in Government House?

    Because Slezkine talked about his ancestors living in the big apartment building near the Kremlin in his book “The Jewish Century.” I don’t recall whether the residents were his Jewish or his gentile side of the family, or both.

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    Wow, Steve, you're making me do waaay the heck more research on Yuri Slezkine's ancestors than I thought I would. I think there must be some mistake about either side of the family living in the big apartment house across from the Kremlin. If you have the quote, I can try to see which house he is referring to.

    So far as I can see from looking at old Moscow phone books, both sides of his family had apartments on Bolshaya Spasskaya street - looks like numbers 2 and 33 are in the records. This is on the outskirts of "Old Moscow", near the Kazan and Leningrad railroad terminals. It's not across from the Kremlin, and was definitely not some neighborhood of "Inner Party" and celebrity types; a few decades ago, it had some old residential buildings and a bunch of tin-roof garages and warehouses (I know the area a little, since I grew up a few blocks North from there), and before that, there were also some workers' barracks.

    Since then, Moscow expanded so much that this is sort of a central neighborhood; it might be some kind of a fancy address now, but I wouldn't know.

    Anyway, my point was that none of his ancestors appear to be members of any kind of upper Bolshevik elite, although most of them sympathized with Socialism in some way. His grandfather, the writer Yuri Slezkine, founded а liberal literary magazine as a student at the St. Petersburg University in 1906; in the Stolypin crackdown that followed the 1905 revolution, he was sentenced to a year in prison. It doesn't seem like he was a real revolutionary, and the sentence was cancelled.

    On his mother's side, as I said, his grandfather Mikhail Goldstein and mother Berta answered the call of the Socialist Motherland and came to build Birobidzhan, where they lost their eldest daughter to the cold. They ended up in Moscow with two other daughters, Karma (born in 1933) and Flora (born in 1937). Also in 1937, Mikhail Goldstein was arrested (extremely common for foreigners in the USSR), and spent the next two years in prison. He didn't confess to anything, and was released in 1939 in the short wave of acquittals and rehabilitations which followed Beria's rise. Supposedly, he stood on his knees before his wife Berta and begged her forgiveness for ever bringing her to this horrible country; this comes from the memoir of the husband of his younger daughter, Flora.

    In 1941, Mikhail Goldstein, who was past military age, volunteered for the Army, as a translator, and was killed in the fighting. I find this impressive, since I am quite sure that after Birobidzhan and Yezhov, I would have been done volunteering for anything.

    Berta, who did not know Russian, and who was left with two small girls in the middle of the war, must have been a remarkable woman. She managed to raise her daughters well: Karma became a violinist and a music teacher, and Flora an archaeologist.

    Actually, I do find it fun to dig up that kind of family history, but now I am truly finished with the Goldsteins and the Slezkines; you can make of all this whatever you want.
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  26. @Steve Sailer
    Because Slezkine talked about his ancestors living in the big apartment building near the Kremlin in his book "The Jewish Century." I don't recall whether the residents were his Jewish or his gentile side of the family, or both.

    Wow, Steve, you’re making me do waaay the heck more research on Yuri Slezkine’s ancestors than I thought I would. I think there must be some mistake about either side of the family living in the big apartment house across from the Kremlin. If you have the quote, I can try to see which house he is referring to.

    So far as I can see from looking at old Moscow phone books, both sides of his family had apartments on Bolshaya Spasskaya street – looks like numbers 2 and 33 are in the records. This is on the outskirts of “Old Moscow”, near the Kazan and Leningrad railroad terminals. It’s not across from the Kremlin, and was definitely not some neighborhood of “Inner Party” and celebrity types; a few decades ago, it had some old residential buildings and a bunch of tin-roof garages and warehouses (I know the area a little, since I grew up a few blocks North from there), and before that, there were also some workers’ barracks.

    Since then, Moscow expanded so much that this is sort of a central neighborhood; it might be some kind of a fancy address now, but I wouldn’t know.

    Anyway, my point was that none of his ancestors appear to be members of any kind of upper Bolshevik elite, although most of them sympathized with Socialism in some way. His grandfather, the writer Yuri Slezkine, founded а liberal literary magazine as a student at the St. Petersburg University in 1906; in the Stolypin crackdown that followed the 1905 revolution, he was sentenced to a year in prison. It doesn’t seem like he was a real revolutionary, and the sentence was cancelled.

    On his mother’s side, as I said, his grandfather Mikhail Goldstein and mother Berta answered the call of the Socialist Motherland and came to build Birobidzhan, where they lost their eldest daughter to the cold. They ended up in Moscow with two other daughters, Karma (born in 1933) and Flora (born in 1937). Also in 1937, Mikhail Goldstein was arrested (extremely common for foreigners in the USSR), and spent the next two years in prison. He didn’t confess to anything, and was released in 1939 in the short wave of acquittals and rehabilitations which followed Beria’s rise. Supposedly, he stood on his knees before his wife Berta and begged her forgiveness for ever bringing her to this horrible country; this comes from the memoir of the husband of his younger daughter, Flora.

    In 1941, Mikhail Goldstein, who was past military age, volunteered for the Army, as a translator, and was killed in the fighting. I find this impressive, since I am quite sure that after Birobidzhan and Yezhov, I would have been done volunteering for anything.

    Berta, who did not know Russian, and who was left with two small girls in the middle of the war, must have been a remarkable woman. She managed to raise her daughters well: Karma became a violinist and a music teacher, and Flora an archaeologist.

    Actually, I do find it fun to dig up that kind of family history, but now I am truly finished with the Goldsteins and the Slezkines; you can make of all this whatever you want.

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    bringing her to this horrible country

    Where did Goldsteins come from?
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  27. @YY
    Wow, Steve, you're making me do waaay the heck more research on Yuri Slezkine's ancestors than I thought I would. I think there must be some mistake about either side of the family living in the big apartment house across from the Kremlin. If you have the quote, I can try to see which house he is referring to.

    So far as I can see from looking at old Moscow phone books, both sides of his family had apartments on Bolshaya Spasskaya street - looks like numbers 2 and 33 are in the records. This is on the outskirts of "Old Moscow", near the Kazan and Leningrad railroad terminals. It's not across from the Kremlin, and was definitely not some neighborhood of "Inner Party" and celebrity types; a few decades ago, it had some old residential buildings and a bunch of tin-roof garages and warehouses (I know the area a little, since I grew up a few blocks North from there), and before that, there were also some workers' barracks.

    Since then, Moscow expanded so much that this is sort of a central neighborhood; it might be some kind of a fancy address now, but I wouldn't know.

    Anyway, my point was that none of his ancestors appear to be members of any kind of upper Bolshevik elite, although most of them sympathized with Socialism in some way. His grandfather, the writer Yuri Slezkine, founded а liberal literary magazine as a student at the St. Petersburg University in 1906; in the Stolypin crackdown that followed the 1905 revolution, he was sentenced to a year in prison. It doesn't seem like he was a real revolutionary, and the sentence was cancelled.

    On his mother's side, as I said, his grandfather Mikhail Goldstein and mother Berta answered the call of the Socialist Motherland and came to build Birobidzhan, where they lost their eldest daughter to the cold. They ended up in Moscow with two other daughters, Karma (born in 1933) and Flora (born in 1937). Also in 1937, Mikhail Goldstein was arrested (extremely common for foreigners in the USSR), and spent the next two years in prison. He didn't confess to anything, and was released in 1939 in the short wave of acquittals and rehabilitations which followed Beria's rise. Supposedly, he stood on his knees before his wife Berta and begged her forgiveness for ever bringing her to this horrible country; this comes from the memoir of the husband of his younger daughter, Flora.

    In 1941, Mikhail Goldstein, who was past military age, volunteered for the Army, as a translator, and was killed in the fighting. I find this impressive, since I am quite sure that after Birobidzhan and Yezhov, I would have been done volunteering for anything.

    Berta, who did not know Russian, and who was left with two small girls in the middle of the war, must have been a remarkable woman. She managed to raise her daughters well: Karma became a violinist and a music teacher, and Flora an archaeologist.

    Actually, I do find it fun to dig up that kind of family history, but now I am truly finished with the Goldsteins and the Slezkines; you can make of all this whatever you want.

    bringing her to this horrible country

    Where did Goldsteins come from?

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    > Where did Goldsteins come from?

    Argentina. It was mentioned several times in the comments.
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  28. @utu
    bringing her to this horrible country

    Where did Goldsteins come from?

    > Where did Goldsteins come from?

    Argentina. It was mentioned several times in the comments.

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    Thanks. I somehow missed it.
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  29. @YY
    > Where did Goldsteins come from?

    Argentina. It was mentioned several times in the comments.

    Thanks. I somehow missed it.

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What Was John McCain's True Wartime Record in Vietnam?
The evidence is clear — but often ignored